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[00:00:04] AJ, thank you for doing this.
[00:00:05] >> Thanks for having me.
[00:00:07] >> Um, you become huge for a good reason.
[00:00:09] You want to hear my macro explanation
[00:00:10] for your success?
[00:00:12] >> Oh, I honesty is always the fir, you
[00:00:14] know, that's always and honesty
[00:00:17] good BS filter, but you expose the
[00:00:20] deepest truth of all, I think, which is
[00:00:23] there's a lot of stuff we don't know and
[00:00:24] we pretend to know. we like things are
[00:00:27] not especially the past is not settled
[00:00:30] like at all and there's just a lot that
[00:00:31] we don't understand and I don't
[00:00:33] understand why we won't admit we don't
[00:00:35] understand it whole parts of science
[00:00:38] archaeology especially but many others
[00:00:40] medicine just won't admit that we don't
[00:00:42] know what is that
[00:00:44] >> I think people don't like to admit when
[00:00:46] they're wrong would be my guess
[00:00:48] >> um I certainly don't I try to because
[00:00:51] I'm wrong a lot
[00:00:52] >> I am too
[00:00:53] >> um but we admit it And I there's
[00:00:57] something about the scientific community
[00:00:58] that the so-called mainstream that just
[00:01:00] doesn't want to be wrong.
[00:01:02] >> Yes.
[00:01:02] >> Maybe there's a financial aspect to it,
[00:01:05] grants and so forth. Maybe there's ego
[00:01:07] involved, but I I I think it's nothing
[00:01:10] more than that. It's just it's just a
[00:01:13] human frailty.
[00:01:14] >> It turns you into a liar, though.
[00:01:16] >> It does.
[00:01:17] >> You have to like make the decision, is
[00:01:19] my pride more important or the truth
[00:01:21] more important? And you have to choose
[00:01:22] truth. And I don't think that's common.
[00:01:26] And if you're if you need a grant from
[00:01:28] the government,
[00:01:29] >> yeah,
[00:01:30] >> you need to put in that grant
[00:01:32] application what's going to get you
[00:01:33] paid, what's going to keep your research
[00:01:35] going, even if it's not exactly what you
[00:01:37] believe or what the even what the
[00:01:39] evidence shows.
[00:01:40] >> Yes.
[00:01:40] >> What I don't understand is the extreme
[00:01:42] hostility against alternate archaeology.
[00:01:49] Uh yeah, I of course I agree and I'm I'm
[00:01:52] hostile to the hostility,
[00:01:54] >> but I but I like you, I don't actually
[00:01:56] understand what is that. Why would that
[00:01:57] be why is it the default position of the
[00:02:00] media that anyone who asks questions
[00:02:02] about obvious mysteries is maligned?
[00:02:06] Like what is that?
[00:02:06] >> I don't know. I think
[00:02:09] we should as a species be interested in
[00:02:11] in pursuing things we don't know. Yes.
[00:02:14] >> And be open to any theory. any theory
[00:02:16] >> of course. Um,
[00:02:19] I mean, Isaac Newton was wrong about so
[00:02:21] many things, but he he was right for a
[00:02:23] good a good amount of while.
[00:02:24] >> Exactly.
[00:02:25] >> He was wrong about the philosopher
[00:02:26] stone, but he got some stuff right. But,
[00:02:28] um, when someone like Graham Hancock,
[00:02:30] whose work I admire, I don't agree with
[00:02:32] all of it, but I admire his tenacity.
[00:02:34] Oh, yeah.
[00:02:35] >> And persistence.
[00:02:36] To call him a racist, it was like,
[00:02:38] >> you're calling him a racist now.
[00:02:40] >> Uh, that was when Ancient Apocalypse
[00:02:43] season 1 came out. He became I forget it
[00:02:46] was in a UK paper. It was the most
[00:02:48] dangerous show on television because he
[00:02:51] was promoting um white supremacy because
[00:02:54] these ancient civilizations had to be
[00:02:57] white, which he never says. He's married
[00:03:00] to a woman of color. Um he never says
[00:03:02] any of that, but that became the
[00:03:03] narrative that he's a racist. And then
[00:03:06] they tried to get that show pulled.
[00:03:08] >> What?
[00:03:09] >> Yes. But
[00:03:10] >> Oh gosh. I didn't I interviewed him
[00:03:12] once. I thought it was the most
[00:03:14] interesting thing I've ever heard. And
[00:03:16] Huh, that's amazing. But why would why
[00:03:20] would you do that? Why would you make up
[00:03:22] a slur like that to destroy someone
[00:03:26] who's studying the you know some events
[00:03:28] that happened presumably thousands of
[00:03:29] years ago, the past who's an
[00:03:30] archaeologist? What why is he a threat
[00:03:32] to you?
[00:03:34] >> I'm not really sure. Um
[00:03:36] >> that's sinister though if you think
[00:03:38] about it.
[00:03:38] >> It is. Someone like Zahiwas is certainly
[00:03:40] infamous in Egyptology.
[00:03:43] And
[00:03:45] there was there was one there was one
[00:03:47] time, I don't remember when it happened,
[00:03:48] where Graham was going to debate Z about
[00:03:52] their theories. Z refused. He walked out
[00:03:55] and said, "I don't even want to hear
[00:03:56] what you have to say."
[00:03:59] Okay. So, for people who don't, and I
[00:04:01] don't want to confuse anyone watching.
[00:04:03] Um, so let's just start at the
[00:04:04] beginning. We're talking about
[00:04:06] Egyptology in the specific case, the
[00:04:07] pyramids, the tombs. Um, what do we know
[00:04:11] about the pyramids? What do we actually
[00:04:12] know rather than what we've been told,
[00:04:14] but like what can we be certain of?
[00:04:16] >> Be certain of. I don't think we can be
[00:04:18] certain of anything. Like we can't be
[00:04:20] certain of when they were built. Some of
[00:04:22] them we can, but the pyramids are
[00:04:25] strange because it it seems like the
[00:04:28] ones that were built earlier are more
[00:04:31] perfect than the later pyramids. Huh.
[00:04:34] >> Which suggests that maybe
[00:04:37] you certainly I subscribe to the theory
[00:04:39] that the Egyptians did not build like
[00:04:41] the the like like kufu. They I think
[00:04:44] they found that. Um
[00:04:47] I think they I think they they found
[00:04:49] that and then tried to replicate it
[00:04:51] later on and couldn't quite get it
[00:04:52] right.
[00:04:52] >> Why don't we know when they were built?
[00:04:54] >> Well, you can't really can't carbon date
[00:04:56] it.
[00:04:57] >> But what about the mummies we found
[00:04:58] inside all the pyramids?
[00:04:59] >> I've never found a mummy in a pyramid.
[00:05:01] >> Never.
[00:05:02] >> What? No, there's we've never found a
[00:05:03] mummy in a pyramid.
[00:05:04] >> I thought the mummies were from the
[00:05:06] pyramids.
[00:05:07] >> No, they're not. Um, no mummies been
[00:05:10] found in a pyramid. Maybe they were
[00:05:11] placed in certain structures later on
[00:05:14] like Valley of the Kings and so forth,
[00:05:15] but like the Great Pyramid of Giza,
[00:05:17] that's no mummy's been found there.
[00:05:19] There's a there's a giant box in the
[00:05:21] king's chamber that's said to be a
[00:05:23] sarcophagus, but it's not the right
[00:05:25] shape or size for a mummy.
[00:05:28] >> Huh. So there are no organic objects
[00:05:31] found in the Great Pyramid, for example,
[00:05:32] that would suggest when it was built?
[00:05:34] >> No organics? No.
[00:05:37] >> Huh.
[00:05:38] >> But there are strange things about the
[00:05:40] pyramid, like chemical residue at
[00:05:43] certain at certain openings, shafts that
[00:05:46] suggest maybe the pyramid had other uses
[00:05:49] that that are really not acceptable to
[00:05:51] mainstream.
[00:05:52] >> Of the objects that have been found in
[00:05:54] the pyramids in the tombs, are there any
[00:05:56] that we can't explain? any that we can't
[00:05:59] explain? I don't think so. Um,
[00:06:03] there's a lot of objects that we are not
[00:06:05] allowed to see
[00:06:07] >> still. Still, sure. I mean,
[00:06:11] you look at the Smithsonian, I think,
[00:06:13] has a billion artifacts. We're not
[00:06:15] allowed to see hardly any of those. Um,
[00:06:17] they kind of just swoop in and just just
[00:06:19] take those.
[00:06:21] >> So, I don't think there's any
[00:06:22] unexplainable objects.
[00:06:24] >> Can you petition the Smithsonian to see
[00:06:26] artifacts? Sure, you can.
[00:06:29] And but you're not going to be able to
[00:06:30] do that. Smithsonian is a weird
[00:06:32] organization. Um
[00:06:35] throughout throughout the history of the
[00:06:36] organization, we have records of them
[00:06:38] receiving bones of giants and and
[00:06:41] artifacts that that are kind of hard to
[00:06:43] explain. We have records of them
[00:06:45] receiving it, but then they lose them or
[00:06:48] they deny ever having them. And the
[00:06:51] Smithsonian, which is a government
[00:06:53] institution,
[00:06:56] is exempt from a lot of law. Like not
[00:07:00] too long ago, a law was passed that if
[00:07:03] any museums are in possession of
[00:07:07] tribal, like Native American artifacts,
[00:07:09] specifically funeral artifacts, they're
[00:07:12] to be returned to the tribes.
[00:07:13] >> Bones. Yeah.
[00:07:14] >> Bone. Anything. Anything except the
[00:07:16] Smithsonian. They don't have to do that.
[00:07:19] >> May May I ask? Okay. So, couple things,
[00:07:21] but I just I don't want this to slip by.
[00:07:23] So, you're referring to the claim
[00:07:26] um that the Nephilim as described in
[00:07:28] Genesis 6, this race of giant people who
[00:07:30] were a hybrid between the spirit world
[00:07:32] and the human world, and they're the
[00:07:34] reason that God sent the flood. This is
[00:07:36] all described in Genesis. They were
[00:07:38] giants. They were great men of old, I
[00:07:40] think, is the phrase.
[00:07:42] The claim from some people is that was
[00:07:44] that's actually real. And the fossil
[00:07:45] record proves it's real because giant
[00:07:48] bones, human bones, have been found
[00:07:50] through the years and that some or a lot
[00:07:53] of them wound up in the Smithsonian
[00:07:54] where their existence was suppressed.
[00:07:57] >> Yes. And you're saying there's actually
[00:08:00] documentary evidence that that may be
[00:08:02] true.
[00:08:02] >> Yes. There's document documentary
[00:08:04] evidence that the the Smithsonian has
[00:08:07] received bones and large coffins from
[00:08:12] not that long ago. We're talking maybe
[00:08:14] the 50s or 60s and as recently as the
[00:08:16] 80s people have been trying to get
[00:08:18] access to this information but it's
[00:08:20] they're stonewalled or they just don't
[00:08:22] have it. And there was one case where
[00:08:24] the Smithsonian said we yes we did
[00:08:26] receive the bones but we don't know
[00:08:27] where they are. And well if you received
[00:08:30] human bones that were larger than any
[00:08:32] human bones ever described in literature
[00:08:35] ever other than Genesis 6 kind of a big
[00:08:38] story right?
[00:08:39] >> Yeah. Yeah. And you see that story
[00:08:41] repeated over and over again, especially
[00:08:44] in America for hundreds of years. Even
[00:08:47] native tribes have stories about giants
[00:08:50] have having wars with giants, driving
[00:08:52] giants across the country to um the
[00:08:55] famous one is the Lovelock cave, which
[00:08:57] is in California. These are the
[00:08:58] redheaded giants and red hair has been
[00:09:01] found in that cave and giant sandals and
[00:09:04] clothing that is enormous
[00:09:06] >> actually.
[00:09:07] >> Yes. um on display, but it's always an
[00:09:10] explanation. Oh, it's, you know, it's
[00:09:12] it's symbolic. It's allegory or whatever
[00:09:14] it is. But that's not what the native
[00:09:16] people say. They say that this was a
[00:09:19] cannibalistic tribe that they cornered
[00:09:21] in a cave and sealed it and set it set
[00:09:24] them on fire essentially. And if you go
[00:09:26] to that cave, there is residue of the
[00:09:28] fire. Um, there was one tribal leader
[00:09:30] who wore strands of red hair in her
[00:09:34] clothing for years. That good look her
[00:09:37] up. She's pretty famous.
[00:09:39] >> So what? And this is pre Columbus's
[00:09:42] landing.
[00:09:44] >> That um that incident
[00:09:49] maybe, maybe not. It would be hard to
[00:09:52] hard to say.
[00:09:52] >> It's just hard to see why redheaded
[00:09:54] people would be on the North American
[00:09:56] continent. You mean talking about like
[00:09:58] Neanderthal DNA?
[00:09:59] >> Yeah. I mean, why would they be
[00:10:00] redheaded? Like, none of the people we
[00:10:02] believe lived on this continent before
[00:10:03] the Europeans arrived were redheaded.
[00:10:05] They were all darkhaired.
[00:10:06] >> True. But if it's giants, then this is
[00:10:08] DNA that's a little different than ours.
[00:10:10] So maybe that's what they were.
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[00:11:25] So, I guess this is the macro question,
[00:11:27] just to circle back to the first
[00:11:28] exchange. Why would the US government
[00:11:31] have an interest, clearly they do, in
[00:11:33] suppressing this and waving people off?
[00:11:38] Boy, I hate to say I don't know, so many
[00:11:40] times, but I I I really don't. Um, you
[00:11:45] know, there's a famous story about uh
[00:11:47] connected to giants about GE Concincaid
[00:11:49] who explored the Grand Canyon. This is
[00:11:51] the early 1900s, I think like 1908,
[00:11:54] 1909. and his story ended up in the
[00:11:57] Arizona Gazette where he was uh kind of
[00:12:01] rowing down the Colorado River and he
[00:12:04] finds these steps that go into a hole in
[00:12:06] the side of the canyon and he goes and
[00:12:08] he explores it and he's kind of mapping
[00:12:10] it and inside he finds basically the
[00:12:13] remains of an ancient city, artifacts, a
[00:12:16] giant statue that kind of looks like
[00:12:17] Buddha but but not quite, hieroglyphics
[00:12:20] that kind of look Egyptian but not
[00:12:22] quite.
[00:12:24] and he comes out and he's um putting
[00:12:26] together an expedition and when it's
[00:12:28] time to go back and explore he never
[00:12:31] shows up. And that story was in the
[00:12:33] papers. What bothers me about that one,
[00:12:36] it's it's one of the mysteries I that I
[00:12:38] really wish I knew is that you can find
[00:12:41] you can find that opening in the Grand
[00:12:44] Canyon and it's covered with an iron
[00:12:45] gate and above that area of the canyon
[00:12:50] is a no-go zone. You cannot go there.
[00:12:53] You can't walk there, but some people
[00:12:55] have. Some people have. And you can see
[00:13:00] embedded into the top of the cliff
[00:13:02] there, iron hooks and equipment that
[00:13:05] would be used maybe to repel down the
[00:13:07] side of the cliff. But when you do go
[00:13:10] there, suddenly white planes will
[00:13:12] appear. And you can't fly over the Grand
[00:13:14] Canyon. But these white unmarked planes
[00:13:16] can't fly over the Grand Canyon.
[00:13:17] >> No. And black helicopters will appear.
[00:13:20] And you can't do that over the Grand
[00:13:23] Canyon.
[00:13:25] You can you can see this episode on my
[00:13:26] channel um where I linked to the full
[00:13:29] video of these people going up there and
[00:13:31] there are the helicopters and there's
[00:13:32] the plane and eventually they're
[00:13:35] park rangers or whatever throw them off
[00:13:37] the property.
[00:13:39] That bothers me.
[00:13:41] >> You think? And nobody will tell us why.
[00:13:44] So, not I've never heard any of that
[00:13:46] before, but um as a general matter,
[00:13:49] there's very clearly a coordinated
[00:13:52] long-standing effort by the US
[00:13:54] government, specifically US government,
[00:13:56] to bat away speculation about the past.
[00:14:01] >> Yes. And to shut down any thinking about
[00:14:05] whether or not the things we're looking
[00:14:07] at could be supernatural in any way.
[00:14:08] They're all natural phenomenon. That's
[00:14:10] that's what we know. But anything that
[00:14:13] suggests like supernatural is just
[00:14:15] ruthlessly put down.
[00:14:16] >> I wouldn't see giants as supernatural.
[00:14:19] I that's that's a that's a that's an
[00:14:22] animal. That's a creature. That's a
[00:14:24] mammal. That's
[00:14:24] >> right.
[00:14:25] >> So I don't know why that is so
[00:14:27] dangerous.
[00:14:28] >> I don't I don't either. I mean, but
[00:14:30] that's kind of the question. Like you
[00:14:31] see the truth in the reaction, I guess,
[00:14:33] is what I'm saying. Like why why would
[00:14:35] you why do you care?
[00:14:36] >> Right. For how long, you know, how long
[00:14:38] were the Clovis people were the first
[00:14:39] people in America and that was if you
[00:14:42] said that anyone was here before them,
[00:14:44] you were ridiculed. But we keep finding
[00:14:46] artifacts that are older and older and
[00:14:47] thousands of years older.
[00:14:49] >> And of course, nobody from the Pacific
[00:14:52] could have made it to the Americas that
[00:14:54] long ago. But that's been proven that
[00:14:57] tribes in East Ecuador on the Atlantic
[00:15:00] side have DNA from Polynesian people
[00:15:03] that goes back thousands of years. So
[00:15:06] there has been contact of civilizations
[00:15:09] going back as far as we can remember
[00:15:11] >> clearly and we know that from sacred art
[00:15:14] ancient art on you know five different
[00:15:16] continents we see the same images the
[00:15:19] birdman the purse
[00:15:20] >> yes so I mean I think you've done work
[00:15:22] on this and it's like what is the
[00:15:24] explanation for that how could people
[00:15:26] living on separate continents before
[00:15:29] transatlantic communication come up with
[00:15:32] precisely the same images clearly
[00:15:34] they're responding to something They're
[00:15:35] all seeing what they must be
[00:15:37] communicating. So what what is that?
[00:15:40] >> The birdman, for example, this image
[00:15:43] which is throughout Latin and North
[00:15:45] America, also Europe, also Africa, also
[00:15:48] the Near East, also the Far East. It's a
[00:15:51] sacred image carved on walls on pottery
[00:15:54] of a birdfaced man with wings.
[00:15:57] What is that? How they all think of
[00:15:59] that? Easter Island.
[00:16:00] >> Easter Island is Yeah. is also very,
[00:16:02] very strange. Um, the Birdman, I think.
[00:16:07] Boy, I can get really woo woo with this.
[00:16:09] It could be a metaphor for a sky god. It
[00:16:12] could be
[00:16:12] >> or an angel
[00:16:13] >> or or an angel.
[00:16:14] >> Looks a lot like the angels described in
[00:16:16] the Old Testament. Just saying.
[00:16:17] >> It it does. And um there are plenty of
[00:16:21] passages in both old and new testament
[00:16:23] and even in in apocryphal works like
[00:16:26] book of Enoch where describing angels
[00:16:30] but describing them a way that sound
[00:16:32] kind of like the birdman or sound almost
[00:16:34] like an alien entity. Um I think it was
[00:16:38] maybe the book of Daniel describes a man
[00:16:40] who's who's glowing with topaz
[00:16:44] and um I think Elijah was taken up to
[00:16:47] heaven. um no one's allowed to mortally
[00:16:50] go to heaven, but he was taken and
[00:16:51] shown. And Ezekiel talks all about
[00:16:55] visions of this futuristic city that he
[00:16:58] thought was going to be a new temple of
[00:17:00] Solomon, but it sounds like a city. And
[00:17:03] in uh
[00:17:04] >> that's after he describes UFOs as wheels
[00:17:06] in the sky and all that.
[00:17:07] >> Those are the wheel, but that shows up
[00:17:09] over and over again. And Enoch is also
[00:17:12] taken up by Uriel and shown how the
[00:17:14] winds are made. and he describes the
[00:17:17] heavens in in ways that we're not
[00:17:18] supposed to know at that time. So
[00:17:21] there's some there's something to it. Um
[00:17:24] all religions have these. If the Vetic
[00:17:27] texts have very similar stories to these
[00:17:29] where um Arjuna goes up and sees the
[00:17:32] heavens and sees these flying vehicles
[00:17:34] that were called vammana that vom are
[00:17:37] described in such detail that they
[00:17:39] describe the technology of how they
[00:17:41] worked with rotating mercury and and and
[00:17:44] engineering specifications in texts that
[00:17:47] are the thousand BC. Same with Buddhist,
[00:17:51] Hindu. It's all all very similar
[00:17:53] stories.
[00:17:55] >> Coming back to the pyramids.
[00:17:57] >> Yes.
[00:17:57] >> Um so we don't know when they were
[00:17:59] built. We cuz how could we know? But the
[00:18:03] Egyptian government and the
[00:18:05] archaeological community is totally
[00:18:07] vested in telling us they know exactly
[00:18:08] when these were built. But in point of
[00:18:09] fact, we don't know and can't know. No
[00:18:12] mummies have been found in the pyramids.
[00:18:14] I didn't know that till you told me. But
[00:18:16] critically from my perspective was like
[00:18:17] how were they built? Do we know?
[00:18:19] >> We don't really know. uh the the
[00:18:21] conventional story is ramps and pulleys,
[00:18:24] >> right?
[00:18:26] >> But I you know I think it's been
[00:18:28] mathematically shown that the the amount
[00:18:32] of ramps and pulleys and equipment that
[00:18:34] you would need to build the pyramids
[00:18:35] would exceed the weight of the pyramids
[00:18:37] themselves. I mean, how long will the
[00:18:39] ramp have to be to go up? I mean, it it
[00:18:41] just doesn't make any sense. Um no one
[00:18:45] can really explain it. and the precision
[00:18:47] of of how these stones were cut. We can
[00:18:51] only barely match it now. And this is
[00:18:55] this is supposed to be bronze bronze
[00:18:56] age.
[00:18:57] >> Yes.
[00:18:57] >> Done with bronze
[00:18:58] >> soft metal.
[00:18:59] >> Soft metal cutting the hardest granite
[00:19:02] in the world. Um
[00:19:06] it defies explanation, but that's the
[00:19:08] explanation. And why why is the pyramid
[00:19:10] made of all these different materials?
[00:19:11] Why not just make it out of out of the
[00:19:14] whatever sandstone you have lying
[00:19:16] around? Why why bring in tour limestone?
[00:19:18] Why use rose granite in certain places?
[00:19:20] >> I didn't know that.
[00:19:22] >> Well, rose granite is is very special
[00:19:25] because it's highly poolectric, meaning
[00:19:29] if you apply pressure to it, it creates
[00:19:31] voltage. So, that's one of the theories
[00:19:33] about the pyramid is the the grand
[00:19:35] gallery leading up to the king's chamber
[00:19:37] is lined with rose granite. You don't
[00:19:39] see it anywhere else in the pyramid. So
[00:19:41] that's highly conductive. Um the
[00:19:43] exterior of the pyramid was covered in
[00:19:45] tour limestone which is um an insulator.
[00:19:48] So you you have this structure that's
[00:19:50] almost designed like an electricity
[00:19:52] generator and then you have the queen's
[00:19:56] chamber and some other shafts where
[00:19:58] there's chemical residue that when
[00:20:00] combined create an enormous amount of
[00:20:02] hydrogen gas that then flows up through
[00:20:05] the Grand Gallery um expands, creates
[00:20:09] electricity with this rose granite which
[00:20:11] ionizes the air. And then at the time
[00:20:14] there were these slats, 24 slats of wood
[00:20:19] that would create sound and which would
[00:20:22] amplify. And what's strange is leading
[00:20:25] from the Grand Gallery into the King's
[00:20:26] Chamber is a is a small hole. I forget
[00:20:30] what it was. Maybe it's 6 3x six. It
[00:20:32] just happens to be the right size to be
[00:20:34] a wave guide for hydrogen atoms. So
[00:20:37] those flow then into the king's chamber
[00:20:39] and this resonates at a at a frequency.
[00:20:41] I think it's 440 hertz, but it's it's
[00:20:43] like a an F sharp. And then and then
[00:20:46] above the king's chamber is a stone
[00:20:49] called a relieving stone. And this is
[00:20:51] said to help relieve the pressure coming
[00:20:54] from the top of the pyramid. The thing
[00:20:57] is, it doesn't connect to anything. It's
[00:20:58] perfectly flat on the bottom, but it's
[00:21:00] chipped on the top almost as if someone
[00:21:03] was tuning chipping away almost like a
[00:21:06] tuning fork to get the right frequency.
[00:21:08] Now, I'm not saying that's what it is.
[00:21:10] saying there's a lot of science there
[00:21:12] that makes you wonder why did why go
[00:21:14] through all this trouble for a tomb and
[00:21:16] there's no writing in there.
[00:21:18] >> There's no writing in the great
[00:21:20] >> No, there's no there's no there's no
[00:21:21] writing in there. Um there was some
[00:21:24] writing found
[00:21:26] in expedition I think it was in the 80s
[00:21:29] where a robot was sent in. They found a
[00:21:31] door with copper handles which are not
[00:21:34] supposed to be there. the other side of
[00:21:36] the door were it looked like
[00:21:38] hieroglyphics but they were not. Um and
[00:21:41] that eventually was suppressed and the
[00:21:43] explanation was well that was like the
[00:21:44] signature of the masons who built it or
[00:21:46] something like that. Well, let's have a
[00:21:49] look at that footage. Well, you can't
[00:21:50] really get a hold of that.
[00:21:52] >> What? So, I there's all these strange
[00:21:54] things about the pyramid that that we
[00:21:56] just can't go. We can't dig. I don't
[00:21:58] know if you saw my episode on the on the
[00:21:59] labyrinth at Hara, but it's that one
[00:22:02] really bothers me because that that's an
[00:22:04] ancient legend that goes back to
[00:22:06] Heroditus and even before talked about
[00:22:09] this this labyrinth in Haru. It's about
[00:22:11] 50 mi from Cairo.
[00:22:13] That this labyrinth was was enormous, a
[00:22:16] thousand 3,000 rooms. And um and the
[00:22:20] priest said this was built by the
[00:22:21] ancients, the ancient kings. Oh, you
[00:22:23] mean the pharaohs? And they said, "No,
[00:22:24] no, the ones the ones before from Zeppi,
[00:22:28] which was the first time." Well, the the
[00:22:30] labyrinth was talked about by Heroditus,
[00:22:33] by by Plenny, by by Strao, by all these
[00:22:36] famous historians. It's there. It's
[00:22:38] there. It's there. It's it's bustling
[00:22:40] and eventually just sort of disappears
[00:22:42] from history and becomes a legend. Well,
[00:22:44] it gets rediscovered at the early like
[00:22:48] late 19th century and
[00:22:50] >> during the colonial period.
[00:22:52] >> Yes. But we're not allowed to dig or go
[00:22:55] down there.
[00:22:57] But recent technology like ground
[00:22:59] penetrating radar, LAR from space shows
[00:23:02] that there's stuff down there. Um, the
[00:23:05] explorer who found it thought he found
[00:23:08] the foundation of the labyrinth and was
[00:23:10] very excited about it. It turned out
[00:23:12] what he found was the roof. So the liar
[00:23:14] is showing these giant spaces underneath
[00:23:18] the ground that are feet thick of heavy
[00:23:21] granite with all these spaces in
[00:23:22] between. And in the center of this giant
[00:23:26] atrium is a 150 ft metallic ring that
[00:23:32] nobody can explain. And boy, I'd like to
[00:23:36] I'd like permission to dig or see what's
[00:23:38] down there. And the tragedy is the water
[00:23:41] table is eroding all of that away. And
[00:23:43] geologists are saying, "Look, we have to
[00:23:45] do we have to preserve this because this
[00:23:46] is going to be gone in a 100 years, 200
[00:23:48] years. We can't stop that." The answer
[00:23:52] is no. Can't dig. We're not going to
[00:23:54] prevent the water from eroding it. Leave
[00:23:57] it be.
[00:23:58] >> The incuriosity about the monuments,
[00:24:01] ancient monuments in Egypt, is pretty
[00:24:03] shocking. I mean, it was only when the
[00:24:04] French showed up briefly that we got the
[00:24:07] Rosetta Stone and figured out what
[00:24:08] hieroglyphics were. And it was only
[00:24:10] under the British that any of this was
[00:24:11] excavated. Howard Carter was British who
[00:24:13] found King Tut's tomb. It's like and
[00:24:15] then the Brits leave after the Second
[00:24:18] World War and it's like not really a
[00:24:20] huge effort to find out anything else.
[00:24:21] Like what is that? I is it Egyptian
[00:24:24] national pride? I I I don't I don't
[00:24:27] know. These things are are more
[00:24:28] important than any nation.
[00:24:30] >> Of course.
[00:24:31] >> So I I I don't know. But do you think
[00:24:34] the Egyptian government, which is the
[00:24:36] second largest recipient of US aid,
[00:24:37] maybe that's related in some way, has
[00:24:39] actively covered up information about
[00:24:42] its monuments?
[00:24:43] >> Yes. I mean, we have evidence of it. Um,
[00:24:46] >> tell me.
[00:24:47] >> Uh, there's I think I think it was
[00:24:49] called the tomb of the birds was
[00:24:50] discovered not too long ago. I I forgot
[00:24:52] the scientist. I wish I remembered his
[00:24:53] name, but I recently did an episode on
[00:24:55] him. I just discovered this this ancient
[00:24:58] tomb, this these caverns in in Egypt.
[00:25:01] And there I mean it's it's sprawling and
[00:25:04] it's clearly man-made and there's
[00:25:06] there's artifacts and there's there's
[00:25:07] writing there's all these kinds of
[00:25:09] things and he does the right thing and
[00:25:10] reports it to the authorities. Well,
[00:25:12] he's banned from the country and uh
[00:25:15] >> what
[00:25:15] >> yeah thrown out he's banned from the
[00:25:17] country can no longer do any research
[00:25:19] and Zahwas says oh he always knew that
[00:25:21] was there and um
[00:25:24] >> who who did you refer to? Zahwas.
[00:25:26] >> Zahwas. Once again, um he was in he was
[00:25:29] the his title was something like this
[00:25:31] the supreme leader of the the Council of
[00:25:35] Egyptian Antiquities. Some crazy title.
[00:25:37] And he's he's still running
[00:25:39] interference. He's supposedly retired
[00:25:40] but still runs interference. And there's
[00:25:43] video of him repelling down into the
[00:25:45] caves kind of exploring them saying,
[00:25:46] "Look at what I have discovered."
[00:25:49] >> So what do you think the motive is
[00:25:51] there?
[00:25:52] >> Some of that is ego. Um,
[00:25:54] >> I don't know the the deeper political
[00:25:56] motives. I really don't know whether
[00:25:57] it's Egypt or our government. I I don't
[00:26:00] know. But I but it bothers me.
[00:26:03] >> So, what do you think? Um, since we
[00:26:05] don't know anything like the basic
[00:26:07] questions, if this were we were writing
[00:26:08] a police report, we'd have to leave
[00:26:10] every line blank cuz we just don't know.
[00:26:12] When was it built? Who built it? How did
[00:26:14] they build it? Unknown. Unknown.
[00:26:15] Unknown.
[00:26:17] So, since you know a great deal about
[00:26:19] this topic, hypothesize for a minute.
[00:26:22] What do you think this is?
[00:26:24] >> I think the clearest evidence comes from
[00:26:26] um maybe Robert Shock's work and John
[00:26:29] Anthony West and certainly Randall
[00:26:31] Carlson at the erosion patterns at the
[00:26:33] base of the Sphinx. You've heard about
[00:26:34] this.
[00:26:34] >> Yes. Yes.
[00:26:35] >> Which clearly shows
[00:26:36] >> water and and a lot of it a lot of water
[00:26:40] moving at high speed for a long time
[00:26:43] which would indicate a great flood. And
[00:26:46] I think all of these stories kind of go
[00:26:49] back to the one the story which is the
[00:26:52] story of the great flood that probably
[00:26:55] connects to the end of the younger dry
[00:26:58] whether that's the Greenland impact
[00:26:59] theory or a solar event or whatever it
[00:27:02] is. Something happened that caused
[00:27:05] worldwide floods
[00:27:07] and eroded that sphinx which means it
[00:27:11] was there 13,500 years ago or older.
[00:27:15] These would be the floods that the the
[00:27:17] Old Testament says were sent to
[00:27:19] eliminate the Nephilim.
[00:27:21] >> Correct. Um or there's another story of
[00:27:24] Napishim. I don't know if you know him
[00:27:25] from he's from Gilgamesh. And his story
[00:27:27] goes like this. Um one of the gods Anki
[00:27:32] who is u you may know as an Anunnaki
[00:27:34] god. Anki tells Pishnam, "A flood is
[00:27:37] coming to reset mankind. I want you to
[00:27:40] build a boat and here are the
[00:27:41] specifications. Take your family on the
[00:27:43] boat. take the animals on the boat. The
[00:27:45] floods come. He's saved. He releases a
[00:27:49] dove and a raven. He finds land. He
[00:27:51] lands on a mountain. He offers a
[00:27:53] sacrifice. And he's granted immortality
[00:27:56] with God. And that story sounds awfully
[00:27:59] familiar.
[00:27:59] >> It does indeed.
[00:28:02] >> And tell me again, where is this story?
[00:28:05] >> That's in Gilgamesh.
[00:28:06] >> Oh, that's in Gilgamesh. How did I miss
[00:28:08] that?
[00:28:09] >> It's because it's a small part of it.
[00:28:10] You know, Gilgam, it's Gilgish is a
[00:28:12] heroic epic. This is, you know, a side
[00:28:14] story, but it's interesting that it's
[00:28:17] it's telling the story of Noah. It right
[00:28:18] down to the dove and the raven.
[00:28:21] >> That's wild.
[00:28:22] >> The only thing different is I think
[00:28:23] they're reversed. And I think um the
[00:28:25] dove comes back with the olive branch or
[00:28:27] something in Noah's.
[00:28:28] >> Is there physical evidence around the
[00:28:29] world of of a great flood?
[00:28:30] >> Yes, all over the place. Um,
[00:28:34] uh, Carlson's work is fascinating about
[00:28:38] the erosion patterns all across Africa
[00:28:41] that show
[00:28:43] the if you look at it from high in the
[00:28:45] sky, it looks like these kind of just
[00:28:47] waves across the landscape, but these
[00:28:50] waves are 30 ft high. So these are this
[00:28:52] is threetory buildings indicating an
[00:28:55] immense amount of water, millions and
[00:28:57] millions of gallons of water per second
[00:29:00] just rushing across the landscape. And
[00:29:02] we see that across across Africa, a
[00:29:05] desert.
[00:29:07] >> What about in the continental United
[00:29:09] States?
[00:29:11] >> Not as much. I, you know, I could be
[00:29:13] wrong about that because because the ice
[00:29:16] sheets would have come from the North
[00:29:17] American continent. So, how they get to
[00:29:19] Africa, I'm not exactly sure. Um,
[00:29:22] but we certainly have evidence of of the
[00:29:25] glaciers moving and and retreating very
[00:29:27] quickly in the United States. I mean,
[00:29:28] that's how Long Island was made. other
[00:29:31] parts
[00:29:31] >> of course I mean the whole country was
[00:29:33] was sculpted by them not that long ago
[00:29:36] Maine was covered them 11,000 years ago
[00:29:38] right
[00:29:38] >> it's like yesterday right
[00:29:39] >> the pyramids were there
[00:29:41] >> they were there
[00:29:42] >> I mean gocly is another thing that we
[00:29:44] can't explicit go is pre flood this is a
[00:29:48] pre-duvian structure not supposed to
[00:29:50] happen
[00:29:51] >> where is it
[00:29:51] >> in Turkey that's that's where all the
[00:29:54] good stuff is in in Turkey um
[00:29:57] >> tell tell us what that is
[00:30:00] an ancient site. It's about 13,000 years
[00:30:03] old. Could be wrong on the date, but I'm
[00:30:04] pretty close. And um it it's it's
[00:30:08] pillars arranged in that align with
[00:30:11] astrological formations that align with
[00:30:13] the seasons. They're carved with
[00:30:15] intricate designs, animals, writing, all
[00:30:19] kinds of stuff. And we're not supposed
[00:30:21] to have we're supposed to be hunter
[00:30:22] gatherers with, you know, with spears
[00:30:24] and buffalo at this point, not building
[00:30:26] these immense structures. And what's
[00:30:28] really strange about Quebec is Not
[00:30:30] hunter gatherer behavior.
[00:30:31] >> No, it is not. That's very sophisticated
[00:30:33] behavior.
[00:30:35] It appears that it was buried
[00:30:37] intentionally. I can't explain why, but
[00:30:40] maybe it was someone knew something was
[00:30:42] coming and we need to protect this site,
[00:30:44] but that's very strange. That's not even
[00:30:46] the oldest structure we found. Karan is
[00:30:48] even older than Quebec. So, how well
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[00:32:12] the first thing I think you just have to
[00:32:14] admit to yourself is the descriptions of
[00:32:16] the societies that created these are
[00:32:18] just completely false. Like this is not
[00:32:22] hunter gatherer, primitive agrarian,
[00:32:24] whatever they're telling you people had
[00:32:26] for civilizations 13,000 years ago is
[00:32:28] just not true. Cuz if you're if you're
[00:32:30] cutting stone with that level of
[00:32:31] precision, barely achievable now.
[00:32:36] We don't understand your technology very
[00:32:38] well. Right.
[00:32:38] >> Certainly not. Cuz you look at
[00:32:40] Stonehenge, which came thousands of
[00:32:41] years later. It's an amazing place, but
[00:32:44] it's stones in a circle. Yeah. Now they
[00:32:47] they're aligned perfectly and all of
[00:32:49] that. It's it's it's certainly a wonder
[00:32:51] of the world, but if you look at
[00:32:52] Stonehenge compared to go back, it's
[00:32:55] Stonehenge looks it's almost like kids
[00:32:58] made this with with clay. Go back is a
[00:33:00] work of art. It's unbelievable.
[00:33:03] Petra in Jordan.
[00:33:05] >> Yes. You know, it's miles down a wadi
[00:33:08] down a box canyon and totally
[00:33:10] inhospitable. You get to the end of the
[00:33:12] box canyon and there's this like most
[00:33:15] evolved intricate series of buildings
[00:33:18] carved into the cliffsides. It's like
[00:33:20] there's no there's not a stonemason on
[00:33:21] planet Earth right now who could do
[00:33:23] that.
[00:33:23] >> That's right.
[00:33:23] >> Period. It's like what's that? Who did
[00:33:26] that? And they're like, "Oh, well, you
[00:33:28] know, our ancestors did it. How' they do
[00:33:30] that?" Oh, I with sandpaper or
[00:33:33] something. Slaves. I No, that's not
[00:33:35] true. No, that's not that's not how it
[00:33:37] happened.
[00:33:39] So
[00:33:40] as you push forward a little bit on this
[00:33:42] stuff, you get to the question of
[00:33:44] technology. Like what was the technology
[00:33:46] that built all this stuff? It wasn't
[00:33:49] bronze hands tool hand tools.
[00:33:51] >> No. Um they will say that it was they
[00:33:56] poured water or sand over the stone and
[00:33:58] used some type of mechanism to grind it
[00:34:01] away.
[00:34:02] >> They did it with abrasives.
[00:34:03] >> With abrasives, but there's there's no
[00:34:05] evidence of that. These these stones are
[00:34:07] polished. They're immaculate.
[00:34:11] Some of the stones inside the structures
[00:34:13] are polished so well that they're like
[00:34:15] mirrors.
[00:34:16] So abrasives can't do that.
[00:34:19] >> I mean, I've seen them and I I I it just
[00:34:21] I but I was lulled to sleep by the lies
[00:34:24] that like, you know, it's just
[00:34:26] incredible. It's like how many man-hour
[00:34:28] would that take,
[00:34:29] >> right?
[00:34:29] >> About a billion, right? Like it just
[00:34:31] didn't happen that way. So do we have is
[00:34:34] there any hint as to what the technology
[00:34:35] was that these civilizations
[00:34:38] >> only only legends there are legends of
[00:34:41] acoustic levitation
[00:34:43] um that are found in a lot of different
[00:34:45] cultures.
[00:34:46] >> What's acoustic levitation? specifically
[00:34:48] Buddhist. Um there's there was even a a
[00:34:51] British scientist who's allegedly filmed
[00:34:53] this where Buddhists would
[00:34:56] sing and play instruments at a certain
[00:34:58] frequency that would cause objects to
[00:35:01] levitate. And that's part of the legend
[00:35:03] of how these megaliths were built was
[00:35:07] some type of sound waves allowed them to
[00:35:10] lift these objects and place them
[00:35:12] perfectly into place.
[00:35:13] >> What's a megalith?
[00:35:14] >> A giant stone.
[00:35:15] >> Giant stone. So there are giant stones
[00:35:18] around the world that are so large.
[00:35:20] Again, there's no modern stone cutting
[00:35:25] that produces stones that big.
[00:35:26] >> There is not.
[00:35:27] >> There's nothing. Go to New York Public
[00:35:29] Library or whatever granite building you
[00:35:30] think is impressive and it's nothing
[00:35:33] compared to these stones,
[00:35:34] >> right? And you can you can pick at the
[00:35:35] mortar between those bricks and they're
[00:35:37] kind of it's kind of slipshot compared
[00:35:39] to the things that were, you know, made
[00:35:40] thousands of years ago.
[00:35:43] So, I'm just saying the same thing over
[00:35:44] and over, but like how could you not
[00:35:46] look at that and ask questions?
[00:35:47] >> I you know, why is Atlantis such a taboo
[00:35:50] subject with science? It's a because I
[00:35:52] think it goes back to the same thing.
[00:35:54] We're talking about a
[00:35:56] >> So, what what is Atlantis? What do we
[00:35:57] know about I mean Atlantis is like a by
[00:35:59] word for conspiracy theory, but like
[00:36:01] what actually is it?
[00:36:02] >> Um, we first learned about Atlantis from
[00:36:05] Plato who uh talked about in his
[00:36:07] dialogues.
[00:36:07] >> Was he a conspiracy theorist? Do you
[00:36:09] think?
[00:36:09] >> Yes, I think so. I think so. People call
[00:36:11] him a whack job.
[00:36:12] >> Um, and Plato described in in the
[00:36:15] dialogues for Plato dialogues just he he
[00:36:18] plays characters called that.
[00:36:21] So in I think it's Cretaceous he talks
[00:36:24] about hearing the story from Solon who
[00:36:28] was like his great great uncle who heard
[00:36:30] a story from an Egyptian priest about
[00:36:32] this ancient land beyond the arms of
[00:36:35] Hercules which people think is probably
[00:36:36] the rock of Jialter and it's a large
[00:36:40] continent larger than India and it's
[00:36:43] it's populated by advanced people and
[00:36:45] there's a cataclysm and it goes
[00:36:48] underwater and he describes concentric
[00:36:50] ring things and waterways and all this
[00:36:54] technology if you want to call it that.
[00:36:57] And what's interesting about Atlantis
[00:36:59] and a lot of people don't talk about
[00:37:00] this is in um in Cretaceous 2 which is
[00:37:04] which is which is Plato's telling of it.
[00:37:06] He's writing about Atlantis and he stops
[00:37:08] mid-sentence
[00:37:10] and that's the end of it. There's no
[00:37:11] more there's no more writing about
[00:37:13] Atlantis. So that's that's the earliest
[00:37:15] story we have of it. And there are
[00:37:19] strange structures around the world that
[00:37:21] could indicate maybe Atlantis. Um the
[00:37:24] eye of the Sahara is a very interesting
[00:37:26] structure. I don't think that's it. Um
[00:37:28] it's also called the Rishot structure. I
[00:37:30] don't know if you've seen this. It's in
[00:37:31] it's in Western Africa. If you look at
[00:37:34] it, it's concentric rings.
[00:37:35] >> Is it underwater?
[00:37:36] >> No. And it's a concentric rings and it
[00:37:38] looks like it fits the description. Now,
[00:37:42] someone like Randle Carlson, who's a
[00:37:45] paleo hydraologist, which I learned was
[00:37:47] a thing, uh, says it's not, and I tend
[00:37:50] to believe him because it's it's bu
[00:37:52] built more like a dome and, uh, it's
[00:37:54] been above water for millions of years,
[00:37:56] so it's probably not it, but it's worth
[00:37:59] looking at.
[00:38:01] But there are places like Biminy Road,
[00:38:03] which are very hard to explain. That's
[00:38:05] in the Bahamas. That's it's long. it.
[00:38:08] These are right angles that are
[00:38:10] submerged underwater. There's something
[00:38:13] that looks like a a city buried under
[00:38:15] Cuba that's definitely been there for
[00:38:17] 20,000 years.
[00:38:19] >> Underwater.
[00:38:20] >> And the Yanuguni Monument off of Japan.
[00:38:23] We've got these giant
[00:38:24] >> amazing thing.
[00:38:25] >> These are all right angles
[00:38:27] >> in shallow water.
[00:38:28] >> Yes. In shallow water.
[00:38:29] >> It's like an underwater temple off Japan
[00:38:31] and like 12 ft of water.
[00:38:33] >> You can dive it. Yeah.
[00:38:35] But no, but it's if you start talking
[00:38:37] about these things, you're you're you're
[00:38:39] a cook. And that
[00:38:40] >> Well, it's on video and you can watch
[00:38:41] it. And and the official position,
[00:38:43] correct me please if I'm wrong, but the
[00:38:45] official position of the Japanese
[00:38:46] government is rock formations.
[00:38:48] >> Yes. Rock. That's it. It rock
[00:38:50] formations. Natural.
[00:38:51] >> No.
[00:38:51] >> No. No.
[00:38:53] >> Like it's this elaborate
[00:38:55] non-natural for non-random
[00:38:58] building.
[00:38:59] >> I'll give you one right angle. I I'll
[00:39:01] let you have one right angle. I won't
[00:39:02] let you have two. I can't.
[00:39:04] >> Two. Well, there are a lot, but
[00:39:05] >> there's a lot.
[00:39:07] >> And this was discovered pretty recently
[00:39:08] by like fishermen or something.
[00:39:10] >> Yes, it was.
[00:39:12] >> Wow. It's just absolutely amazing. Um,
[00:39:16] okay. So, here's what we've established.
[00:39:17] We've established that the our view of
[00:39:20] the of prehistory is completely just
[00:39:24] wrong because the physical remains of
[00:39:27] these civilizations prove our theories
[00:39:29] wrong. This couldn't happen. We know
[00:39:32] that world governments, not simply ours,
[00:39:33] but others, Japanese in this case, seem
[00:39:36] to be very committed to stopping
[00:39:38] questions about this, halting curiosity,
[00:39:41] shaming people, maybe worse.
[00:39:44] Um, so is it fair to say that there were
[00:39:49] civilizations as in some ways as
[00:39:52] advanced as ours tens of thousands of
[00:39:54] years ago?
[00:39:55] >> I can't make that leap. I'd like to, but
[00:39:56] I can't make that leap because I I feel
[00:39:58] like there would be evidence of that.
[00:40:00] And um I think this is where Graham
[00:40:02] Hancock gets
[00:40:04] criticized unfairly because he's never
[00:40:06] said that there's been you know
[00:40:07] Atlanteanss with flying ships or
[00:40:09] anything like that. All he said is we we
[00:40:11] may have been more advanced than we've
[00:40:13] been led to believe and it deserves some
[00:40:15] more explanation.
[00:40:15] >> That's obviously true. I mean like it's
[00:40:16] not a linear progression. So like the
[00:40:19] history that I learned always interested
[00:40:20] in history is that you had this kind of
[00:40:22] flowering civilization in the west.
[00:40:23] China's difference in the west centered
[00:40:26] at Athens and then Rome
[00:40:29] and then Rome fell in the fifth century
[00:40:31] and you had this thing called the dark
[00:40:33] ages where we stopped building aqueducts
[00:40:35] and steam baths and then it reemerged
[00:40:38] during the renaissance. But basically it
[00:40:40] was like a linear progression from the
[00:40:42] caves to the moonshot. You know, just
[00:40:46] like technology building on itself,
[00:40:47] human civilization becoming ever more
[00:40:49] complex
[00:40:51] and but it was in a straight line.
[00:40:54] That's just clearly not true. No. And
[00:40:56] certainly not in Egypt where we have
[00:40:58] basically nothing and then suddenly we
[00:41:00] have hieroglyphics and astronomy and all
[00:41:02] and mathematics. Everybody knows the
[00:41:04] Pythagorean theorem. Everybody knows
[00:41:06] that. Pythagoras learned that in Egypt.
[00:41:08] That's he's he's credited with that. But
[00:41:10] that's Egyptian library.
[00:41:12] >> That's correct. Yes.
[00:41:14] So um
[00:41:15] >> which leads us back to Aristotle which
[00:41:17] back to Plato
[00:41:20] >> just to be clear the current occupants
[00:41:22] of Egypt the Egyptians are not I don't
[00:41:25] think related to the ancient Egyptians.
[00:41:26] Is that fair to say?
[00:41:28] >> I I I think it I think they are.
[00:41:30] >> They are.
[00:41:31] >> I I I think genetically certainly they
[00:41:33] are. I don't know why I thought that
[00:41:35] maybe speaking of Greece. Um, okay.
[00:41:39] But
[00:41:40] civilization can certainly go backward,
[00:41:42] like much farther backward than medieval
[00:41:45] Europe went from Rome.
[00:41:46] >> Certainly.
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[00:42:55] Remember you mentioned, you heard it
[00:42:57] here first. The pyramids have been
[00:43:01] not that explored as noted, but crown
[00:43:04] ground penetrating radar has been
[00:43:07] applied recently to the Great Pyramid.
[00:43:08] >> Yes.
[00:43:09] >> I think from an airplane, but maybe
[00:43:10] that's wrong.
[00:43:11] >> Uh, and satellite.
[00:43:12] >> Satellite. Okay. And the headline for
[00:43:15] like one day was, "Holy smokes, massive
[00:43:18] chambers discovered under Great Pyramid
[00:43:20] of Giza."
[00:43:22] Is what is that? Is that real?
[00:43:25] >> I I'm I'm skeptical of it. I'm hopeful,
[00:43:28] but I'm skeptical. That Italian group
[00:43:30] has not been peer-reviewed as of yet.
[00:43:33] Um, I think they're seeking it.
[00:43:36] So, I don't,
[00:43:38] you know, it be it's kind of one of
[00:43:40] those clickbait stories where they when
[00:43:42] you actually see the images, it's really
[00:43:43] just color colored stripes, but then
[00:43:46] when it lands in the news, it's these
[00:43:47] pillars with with spirals and all this
[00:43:50] magical stuff.
[00:43:51] >> That's that's not what I see in in in
[00:43:53] the in the data, but, you know, maybe it
[00:43:55] is there. Um, we know that the the Great
[00:43:58] Pyramid has strange properties. We know
[00:44:00] that there's there is space down there.
[00:44:03] Un space all underneath the plateau.
[00:44:06] >> We know that.
[00:44:07] >> We know that for sure. Um,
[00:44:09] >> are these natural caverns?
[00:44:11] >> I No, I don't think so. Um, you know,
[00:44:15] there's been there's been legends about
[00:44:17] the the the chambers under the Sphinx
[00:44:20] that go back a long time. And you know,
[00:44:23] if you want to get very woo woo about
[00:44:25] it, there's been psychics who've
[00:44:26] explored that. Someone like Ed Edgar
[00:44:28] Casey, who's a famous psychic, who said
[00:44:29] that's where the Hall of Records is
[00:44:31] stored, which is interesting because
[00:44:33] that connects back to the labyrinth
[00:44:36] as well, which is which some people
[00:44:40] think could be the actual Hall of
[00:44:41] Records. Um,
[00:44:44] but I mean, I I'll tell you a very
[00:44:46] strange story about Dorothy Edy, if you
[00:44:48] have a moment.
[00:44:49] >> I do have a moment and I love strange
[00:44:50] stories. Dorothy Edi was um she's born
[00:44:55] early early 1900s in in England. She
[00:44:58] she's a troubled child. She's unhappy
[00:45:01] all the time. She's taken to the British
[00:45:04] Museum when she's 3 or four years old
[00:45:05] and she they go to the Egyptian section.
[00:45:08] She suddenly lights up and she um she
[00:45:11] runs over to the the mummy of I think
[00:45:14] it's Ramsay's and she says, "I know
[00:45:16] him." And they think she's a wacky kid.
[00:45:21] She's still she's still kind of
[00:45:22] despondent. She gets a a book from her
[00:45:25] dad about ancient Egypt and she's going
[00:45:26] through it and she says she recognizes
[00:45:28] all these places, Temple of Si and and
[00:45:30] Abbidos, all these things and she starts
[00:45:34] studying at the British Museum and for
[00:45:36] some reason she takes the hieroglyphics
[00:45:37] very very quickly and ancient languages
[00:45:40] very very quickly. She claims that she's
[00:45:42] a reincarnated Egyptian priestess that
[00:45:46] worked in that worked and lived in in
[00:45:48] Abidos, you know, thousands of during
[00:45:51] the fourth dynasty, something like that.
[00:45:53] She eventually goes over to Egypt
[00:45:56] and she shows up and she's she says,
[00:45:58] "I'm reincarnated Egyptian person." Of
[00:46:00] course you are. Um
[00:46:03] I she can prove it. They take her to
[00:46:06] these tombs or underground chambers and
[00:46:09] they say, "All right, show us around."
[00:46:10] and she says, "Let's go." And she says,
[00:46:12] "This is where the gardens were. This is
[00:46:14] where the fountain was. This is where
[00:46:15] this was." And she she's so good at this
[00:46:18] that that the Egyptians authorities take
[00:46:20] her on staff with antiquities. And she's
[00:46:24] able to describe and detail all of these
[00:46:26] ancient places that nobody knows
[00:46:28] anything about. This is a reincarnation
[00:46:30] story. Yet, she is embedded in the
[00:46:32] scientific community. She is invaluable
[00:46:34] to Egyptian research. So much so that at
[00:46:38] at that time you had you were forced to
[00:46:39] retire at age 65. And this is a woman by
[00:46:42] the way working in the 50s and 60s in
[00:46:44] Egypt. She's allowed to stay on until
[00:46:47] she wants to retire because she's
[00:46:49] invaluable to the research. She says
[00:46:51] that underneath the the Sphinx is where
[00:46:54] we're going to find all sorts of of
[00:46:58] tombs and and artifacts of Nefertiti and
[00:47:00] all these all these famous people. She
[00:47:02] says they're down there.
[00:47:05] I don't know, but her story is very
[00:47:06] compelling to me.
[00:47:07] >> All right. Well, so I mean this is like
[00:47:08] one of these speculations you could
[00:47:11] probably prove if you tried.
[00:47:13] >> Yes. But we we lack the technology to
[00:47:16] dig now or
[00:47:17] >> can't dig.
[00:47:19] >> But we certainly have ground penetrating
[00:47:21] radar.
[00:47:21] >> Yes.
[00:47:22] >> Presumably if that was employed by the
[00:47:24] Egyptian authorities, you know, over
[00:47:25] time you could get a pretty detailed
[00:47:27] picture of what's underneath. No. Well,
[00:47:30] like with Hara, their labyrinth, they
[00:47:33] didn't seek permission to scan it. They
[00:47:35] just did. The permission has to come.
[00:47:37] Would you, but you still have to get
[00:47:38] your hands in the dirt. So, we can scan
[00:47:41] all we want, but unless permission is
[00:47:43] granted to dig, we're just not going to
[00:47:44] know.
[00:47:44] >> And what would be the the rationale for
[00:47:47] not allowing people to pursue their
[00:47:49] curiosity and science and all that?
[00:47:50] Like,
[00:47:52] >> again, I don't know. With the Hir
[00:47:54] Labyrinth, the the excuse is if we
[00:47:56] disrupt the site, then there's um
[00:47:59] there's a canal there, it will disrupt
[00:48:01] the local agriculture, which is very
[00:48:03] important to that region. So, we can't
[00:48:05] disrupt the farm the farmers. Okay,
[00:48:08] >> that's that's that's the reason
[00:48:10] pyramids.
[00:48:11] >> Why we can't dig, I don't know. But we
[00:48:14] shouldn't we should also acknowledge
[00:48:17] that there is exploration happening. I
[00:48:19] mean, um, I think Pharaoh Tutmas II was
[00:48:22] just discovered with a few weeks ago in
[00:48:24] the Valley of the Kings. So, people are
[00:48:26] looking. I just I don't think they're
[00:48:28] looking exactly in the right places.
[00:48:31] There was a disc found in a tomb in
[00:48:33] Egypt maybe a hundred years ago. Um,
[00:48:36] that looks to be it's made out of
[00:48:38] basalt. It's made out of stone. Uh, but
[00:48:41] it looks it's the most modern thing
[00:48:43] you've ever seen. And I would encourage
[00:48:44] people to look it up. If you're on your
[00:48:45] phone right now, we'll just look up
[00:48:47] Egyptian tomb disc. And it looks like an
[00:48:50] impeller maybe in a motor, an electric
[00:48:52] motor. But clearly that was not created
[00:48:57] by a primitive civilization.
[00:48:59] >> No, it's the most precisely. First of
[00:49:00] all, how do you machine basalt? Okay,
[00:49:03] it's not handcarved obviously. Look at
[00:49:05] it.
[00:49:06] What's the explanation for that?
[00:49:08] >> I I don't think there is one. I don't
[00:49:10] think there is one. I would like to know
[00:49:11] how they carve that. Basalt would be
[00:49:13] lava rock, ignous rock. The hardest rock
[00:49:16] on Earth. I I don't
[00:49:17] >> Oh, is it the hardest?
[00:49:18] >> I'm the Well, it's not like diamond, but
[00:49:21] you copper is not going to get through
[00:49:22] that.
[00:49:23] >> Yeah. And it's so precise.
[00:49:25] >> It's perfect.
[00:49:26] >> It's It's perfect.
[00:49:27] >> It's perfect.
[00:49:28] >> And it You look at it for about 15
[00:49:30] seconds, you're like, "No, no, no.
[00:49:32] Ancient culture did not make that." At
[00:49:33] least the ancient cultures that have
[00:49:34] been described to me,
[00:49:36] >> not just the machining, but the the
[00:49:37] mathematics. I mean, it's perfect.
[00:49:38] >> Well, that's a good point. The design.
[00:49:40] Mhm.
[00:49:42] Huh. Okay. Um, so do we have any hint of
[00:49:47] the energy? So clearly the missing piece
[00:49:48] here is energy.
[00:49:50] The these the megaliths including the
[00:49:53] ones in the United States, the massive
[00:49:55] structures in the American Midwest and
[00:49:58] in Florida, earth and earthworks,
[00:50:01] these are not buil just the math doesn't
[00:50:04] work on the number of manh hours
[00:50:05] required to build any of this stuff. a
[00:50:07] lot of the temples in Latin America,
[00:50:09] Anchor Watt, like clearly it's not just
[00:50:13] somebody with a bronze knife making this
[00:50:16] stuff.
[00:50:16] >> It's not. Namadal is another one with
[00:50:18] these that's uh that's Polynesia also,
[00:50:21] but these the tons these these they look
[00:50:25] almost look like Lincoln logs, but
[00:50:26] they're 10 20 tons. They're they're
[00:50:28] huge. No one knows how they could have
[00:50:29] been put into place. And um
[00:50:32] >> they still stand.
[00:50:32] >> They still stand. We don't know when
[00:50:34] they were built or how long ago, but if
[00:50:36] you look at it from the air, you can see
[00:50:38] they had a sewer system. They devised a
[00:50:40] way to get fresh water through this
[00:50:41] whole society, but nobody knows who
[00:50:43] built this.
[00:50:45] >> Why?
[00:50:45] >> Or or why.
[00:50:47] >> The why could just be we live here. We
[00:50:50] >> What's interesting is sewer system,
[00:50:52] fresh water. And so this is a long time
[00:50:55] before Roman aqueducts.
[00:50:57] >> Yes.
[00:50:58] >> But there they are. So what what the
[00:51:02] explanation lacks is a is an energy
[00:51:04] source. It's not just biceps.
[00:51:06] And does has anyone put forward a like a
[00:51:09] reasonable hypothesis
[00:51:11] on that? I mean it depends how you
[00:51:14] define reasonable.
[00:51:15] >> Of course it does. Plausible I guess is
[00:51:17] what I would say.
[00:51:18] >> Plausible. Not nothing that satisfies
[00:51:21] me. I the copper doesn't work. The
[00:51:23] abrasives don't work for me. Acoustic
[00:51:25] levitation I like, but it's that's
[00:51:28] really hard to prove it. I'm Acoustic
[00:51:31] levitation is a thing. You can levitate
[00:51:32] things with sound. That's that is
[00:51:34] proven. Giant stones, we we can't do
[00:51:37] that. But just because we can't doesn't
[00:51:39] mean someone else could.
[00:51:40] >> Are you sure we can't?
[00:51:43] I guess another way of another way of
[00:51:45] putting it would be, are you convinced
[00:51:48] that the US government is totally
[00:51:50] transparent about energy?
[00:51:52] >> No. No. I think they're totally opaque
[00:51:55] about energy.
[00:51:56] >> Really totally.
[00:51:56] >> Oh yes. Um I think the US government
[00:52:00] probably has
[00:52:03] unlocked 0 point or close to zero point
[00:52:05] energy which would be pulling energy out
[00:52:08] of the vacuum. Um we have inventors that
[00:52:11] have done that over and over and over.
[00:52:14] Uh and making energy apparently nothing.
[00:52:17] Well, we can start with there was
[00:52:19] someone there's a man named Charles
[00:52:20] Pogue who in the 30s tinkered with his
[00:52:24] carburetor and was able to get 200 miles
[00:52:26] a gallon. It was proven this it was
[00:52:29] engineers investigated scientists
[00:52:30] totally proven. Um it worked he was
[00:52:33] going to be a zillionaire. Whatever he's
[00:52:34] going to transform society and um the
[00:52:37] problem was once the news of his engine
[00:52:40] got out uh the oil stocks crashed. They
[00:52:44] just crashed. So the oil industry
[00:52:48] lobbyed the US government. We have to do
[00:52:50] something about this. And in 1951, the
[00:52:52] invention secrecy act was passed. So now
[00:52:56] if you patent any device that is more
[00:52:59] than 20% efficient, that's instantly
[00:53:02] classified. That's that is now a state
[00:53:04] secret. It's
[00:53:05] >> it's vital to national security. You
[00:53:07] can't talk about it. You can't um build
[00:53:11] it. And you can't sell it unless you
[00:53:13] sell it to the US military. you cannot
[00:53:15] do it. Um,
[00:53:18] that went on for a while. Then there was
[00:53:19] a man named Tom Ogle and Tom is the se
[00:53:23] this is the 70s now.
[00:53:25] He accidentally
[00:53:28] rewires his lawnmower engine to take the
[00:53:31] exhaust and pump it back into the
[00:53:33] carburetor. And this thing runs on a
[00:53:36] gallon of gas for 78 hours or something
[00:53:40] like that. So he can reconfigures his
[00:53:41] car. It's like a 1976 Ford Galaxy, you
[00:53:44] know, like a boat. And he's getting 200
[00:53:46] miles to the gallon on the thing. He's
[00:53:48] offered a billion dollars from an oil
[00:53:51] producing country. Shell Oil offers him
[00:53:53] $25 million for the patent that he
[00:53:55] considers, but they're going to shove
[00:53:56] it. So, he says no. Um,
[00:54:01] it's considered, you know, maybe one of
[00:54:04] the biggest inventions of the century.
[00:54:07] Suddenly, Tom, without a history of drug
[00:54:09] use, stumbles out of a bar. He's drunk
[00:54:12] and he's he's killed and that's the end
[00:54:15] of Tom Ogle's story and that
[00:54:18] all disappears. All that research goes
[00:54:20] away and this repeats over and over and
[00:54:22] over again till we get to Stanley Meyer
[00:54:25] and you might remember Stanley Meyer and
[00:54:27] the water car cuz this goes this is
[00:54:29] 1990s now. So
[00:54:32] now we have a vehicle that doesn't even
[00:54:34] we're not even talking about fossil
[00:54:35] fuels and protecting a multi- trillion
[00:54:37] dollar industry. We've got a car that
[00:54:38] runs on water using um electrolysis,
[00:54:41] which has been around since the 1700s.
[00:54:44] But electrolysis requires a lot of
[00:54:45] energy and perfect water without
[00:54:47] impurities. But Stanley's figured out
[00:54:48] how to take tap water, put it into his
[00:54:50] car, and run his car on water. And what
[00:54:54] it does is splits the water into
[00:54:55] hydrogen. Oxygen runs on hydrogen.
[00:54:57] Hydrogen is a fuel. It works. And it
[00:54:59] works. And he drives it all over the
[00:55:01] place. It's all over the news. Engineers
[00:55:02] look at it. They say, "This is the
[00:55:04] invention of the century. This changes
[00:55:06] everything." He's offered a billion
[00:55:08] dollars and millions of dollars and
[00:55:10] everyone wants his engine and um
[00:55:15] he's sitting at I think he sitting at a
[00:55:17] Cracker Barrel with his brother and some
[00:55:19] investors and they raise a glass of
[00:55:21] toast new investment and go into the
[00:55:24] future and um
[00:55:27] they take their toast and Stanley
[00:55:30] suddenly doesn't feel well. He runs
[00:55:32] outside. He starts vomiting. His brother
[00:55:34] chases after him and says, "What's going
[00:55:35] on?" and his and and Stanley says they
[00:55:37] poisoned me and he dies. And in the
[00:55:40] medical examiner's report, it says he
[00:55:41] died of an aneurysm. But if you read the
[00:55:43] report, you can tell the medical
[00:55:44] examiner didn't really like that cuz he
[00:55:47] wrote some other stuff like, "Oh, he
[00:55:48] said he was poison, but toxicology
[00:55:50] doesn't really show it." But but it says
[00:55:51] he died of an aneurysm and that
[00:55:53] technology is now gone. the the patent's
[00:55:56] useless because Stanley faked the
[00:55:58] numbers because he didn't trust the
[00:55:59] government because he had another
[00:56:01] invention that most people don't know
[00:56:02] about before his water car, which was
[00:56:07] this tooid ring. A toroid is a donut.
[00:56:10] This donut-shaped ring that he invented
[00:56:11] that
[00:56:13] created energy out of nothing and
[00:56:15] levitated, but he patented it. It got
[00:56:18] and and he got hit with a secrecy act
[00:56:20] and they made his life miserable.
[00:56:23] But people started to learn about that
[00:56:26] and that brings us there there are other
[00:56:29] inventors in between T. Tom and T. Toms
[00:56:32] and Brown Towns and Brown in invents
[00:56:34] this anti-gravity technology. He runs
[00:56:36] into all kinds of bad luck. All these
[00:56:38] men have their research stolen. They're
[00:56:40] broken into. They're they're carrying
[00:56:42] guns. They're threatened. They're
[00:56:43] they're disappearing. It happens over
[00:56:45] and over and over again. I have an
[00:56:46] episode on this. It's very sad. And um
[00:56:50] we get to Floyd suite, Floyd Sparky
[00:56:53] Suite, who's he's my favorite because
[00:56:55] his inventions, he videotaped all of his
[00:56:57] stuff. And you see him in his workshop.
[00:57:01] And Sparky, he's an engineer. This is
[00:57:02] this is a he's a garage tinkerer, but
[00:57:04] he's he's an engineer. And this was
[00:57:07] supervised by the military physicist.
[00:57:10] Maybe it was a mistake. And you see him
[00:57:12] running a fan at high RPMs. And then
[00:57:16] he's got light bulbs. all this energy
[00:57:19] and it's all running off this little box
[00:57:21] the size of a deck of cards and he puts
[00:57:24] in 03 mwatts and he gets out all the
[00:57:29] watts you want. It's a device that no
[00:57:32] matter what you attach to it, it just
[00:57:35] whatever the need is, it will give you
[00:57:37] the energy. This is Sparky Suite.
[00:57:40] This actually connects to UFO
[00:57:41] technology. I don't know if we'll go
[00:57:42] there, but but it does connect. So
[00:57:45] Sparky's got this invention. He gets
[00:57:47] some help from military physicist.
[00:57:51] Gets a visit late one night. Two men in
[00:57:54] suits. Come talk to him, say good night.
[00:57:57] He has a heart attack. Ambulance comes.
[00:57:59] They they grab Sparky. The wife is not
[00:58:02] allowed in the ambulance. He dies. Uh
[00:58:05] soon after a couple of black vans pull
[00:58:07] up. They take all his stuff, all his
[00:58:10] notes, every piece of equipment, and it
[00:58:12] just disappears. And that's the last we
[00:58:13] hear of it.
[00:58:14] >> About when was this? I would say this is
[00:58:17] late 90s. I mean Stanley Meyer was 1998.
[00:58:22] So this is recently.
[00:58:22] >> Recently. Yeah. So he may even be more
[00:58:25] recent than that.
[00:58:26] >> Is there evidence the US government is
[00:58:28] using any of this technology
[00:58:30] hyperefficient,
[00:58:32] you know, anti-gravity, levitation, any
[00:58:34] of the stuff in like military
[00:58:36] technology?
[00:58:36] >> I mean you can argue that the go fast
[00:58:39] video, the tic tac, some of these could
[00:58:41] be that.
[00:58:42] >> I tend to think they are. So, there was
[00:58:44] a kind of tanalyzing um almost kind of
[00:58:48] shocking admission the other day from
[00:58:49] the US government that
[00:58:51] during the Maduro snatch operation in
[00:58:54] Caracus on January 3rd that the US
[00:58:56] military used apparently used directed
[00:58:58] energy weapons. I don't know that
[00:59:00] anyone's ever said out loud I don't know
[00:59:04] if they said it out loud but it was I
[00:59:06] mean it was obvious that's what it was
[00:59:07] that they were have been very interested
[00:59:09] in those since Tesla's research. So te
[00:59:12] tell us what they are. Directed energy
[00:59:14] weapons and with with Tesla he had a few
[00:59:17] different versions about ionizing air
[00:59:19] and and projecting electricity through
[00:59:22] the air. He had a few different ways of
[00:59:24] doing it. And I don't have the science
[00:59:25] background to explain specifically what
[00:59:27] it is. But directed energy is just that
[00:59:28] you take like a laser is would be a
[00:59:31] directed energy but using it as a
[00:59:33] weapon. And Tesla was working on that
[00:59:37] technology. But what what he wanted to
[00:59:38] do was create free energy for the world.
[00:59:41] which turned out to be a problem for him
[00:59:43] and that's another story. But when he
[00:59:46] died, um so he died, I think it was
[00:59:48] January 7th, 1943, the FBI was there.
[00:59:52] They would they were like on top of it.
[00:59:54] Um they came way too fast and all his
[00:59:58] research 60 boxes were confiscated
[01:00:03] by the Office of Alien Property, which
[01:00:05] has nothing to do with
[01:00:06] extraterrestrials. It's about all his
[01:00:09] valiant property because he's he's not a
[01:00:12] US born. So they come and take his
[01:00:14] research although he was a citizen since
[01:00:17] I don't know the the 1800s. He'd have
[01:00:19] been a citizen 50 years. So they seize
[01:00:21] his property and they send it to a
[01:00:22] Wright Patterson Air Force Base for uh a
[01:00:25] scientist named John Trump to
[01:00:27] investigate
[01:00:29] Tesla's research specifically looking
[01:00:30] >> later an MIT professor.
[01:00:32] >> Yes. And later an uncle of a president
[01:00:34] and they're specifically looking for de
[01:00:36] for DEWs. That's the technology they
[01:00:38] want. They finally return Tesla's boxes
[01:00:40] to
[01:00:40] >> Wait, are you sure it was John Trump who
[01:00:43] received Tesla's
[01:00:44] >> effects? Yes. That's That's documented.
[01:00:48] Um
[01:00:50] what's
[01:00:51] >> actually
[01:00:51] >> Yes. But what's
[01:00:53] >> you know, for a country of hundreds of
[01:00:54] millions of people, we have these weird
[01:00:55] coincidences a lot.
[01:00:56] >> Isn't it strange? And the same families
[01:00:58] show up over and over.
[01:01:01] It's probably not the episode to get
[01:01:02] into the Bush family, but boy, I'd love
[01:01:03] to one day. Um we'll do an episode on
[01:01:06] them. Uh, I don't talk about the Bushes
[01:01:08] or the Clintons on my show or MSAD. Um,
[01:01:10] >> I I think you're a wise man. It's
[01:01:13] >> so the boxes wild. I've talked to Trump
[01:01:16] about his uncle like 20 times. He's very
[01:01:18] proud of his uncle.
[01:01:19] >> The last point on that?
[01:01:20] >> Yeah.
[01:01:21] >> 20 boxes are missing
[01:01:22] >> and we don't know where they are. That
[01:01:24] that that's the last point on that. We
[01:01:26] don't know where the boxes are.
[01:01:27] >> But you're sure it was the same John
[01:01:29] Trump that the president talks about as
[01:01:31] a long tenure MIT professor. I mean, he
[01:01:34] talks about him all the time. brags
[01:01:35] about him
[01:01:36] >> all the time.
[01:01:36] >> Yes. And he was in connected to military
[01:01:40] intelligence.
[01:01:42] >> Huh.
[01:01:42] >> Yeah. Right. Patterson Air Force Base,
[01:01:44] the home of Project Blue Book UFO
[01:01:46] research.
[01:01:48] >> So those 20 boxes of Nikolai Tesla's
[01:01:52] research have never surfaced.
[01:01:54] >> They have not. So can you give us I I
[01:01:56] know many books have been written on
[01:01:58] this and you know famous company was
[01:02:00] named after Tesla of course and all that
[01:02:02] but can you just give us the cliff's
[01:02:04] notes version of his life? You said it
[01:02:06] didn't end well for him. What did you
[01:02:07] mean?
[01:02:08] >> Um he was very focused on free energy
[01:02:10] for the world. He wanted to usher in
[01:02:13] sort of a new age for humanity which
[01:02:14] free energy certainly would do. Um
[01:02:18] he was supported by JP Morgan was his
[01:02:22] finance year. Tesla was not a good
[01:02:23] businessman. his rival Edison was. He
[01:02:26] wasn't as talented.
[01:02:29] Um, but he was good at playing the
[01:02:32] business game. Tesla was not. So Tesla
[01:02:34] wanted to create free energy. He was
[01:02:36] supported by JP Morgan and said, "I'm
[01:02:38] close. I Tesla demonstrated free free
[01:02:43] energy by he plugged light bulbs into
[01:02:45] the ground and had them had them
[01:02:46] working." So he demonstrated it and he
[01:02:49] said to JP Morgan, "I just need a little
[01:02:51] bit more money and we can we can put
[01:02:54] energy for everyone. Could you just tap
[01:02:56] into it?" And JP Morgan said, "Well, if
[01:02:59] energy comes out of the air, where do we
[01:03:00] put the meter?"
[01:03:02] What do you mean free energy? New age of
[01:03:04] mankind. JP Morgan pulls the funding and
[01:03:07] funds Edison and Maronei instead. And
[01:03:11] Tesla's This is Warden Cliff Tower on
[01:03:13] Long Island where he's doing this
[01:03:14] research. He goes in default on the
[01:03:17] mortgage. They tear it down. He dies in
[01:03:19] poverty in the New Yorker hotel in 1943.
[01:03:22] One of the most brilliant
[01:03:23] >> across from Penn Station.
[01:03:24] >> Yes, it is.
[01:03:25] >> One of the grim now a migrant hotel.
[01:03:27] >> Yes, it is.
[01:03:28] >> That's where he died.
[01:03:29] >> That's where That's right. Room 3327.
[01:03:32] >> That's a crummy place to die.
[01:03:33] >> It is. But there's a good white castle
[01:03:36] downstairs.
[01:03:36] >> Yes. I don't think anymore.
[01:03:38] >> Probably not.
[01:03:39] >> Wow. Um, do we have any sense of
[01:03:45] what concepts he was working on when he
[01:03:47] died or what might have been in those 20
[01:03:49] missing boxes?
[01:03:50] >> It was the directed energy weapons that
[01:03:52] I that they really wanted. Uh, there's
[01:03:55] there's a good deal of documentation
[01:03:56] that the military was interested in
[01:03:57] that,
[01:03:59] but specifics, no, we don't have that.
[01:04:01] We just we just don't know specifically
[01:04:03] what were in those boxes. His nephew
[01:04:05] says it was everything to do with
[01:04:06] energy.
[01:04:08] Um, and just for interest sake, John
[01:04:11] Trump, the uncle of the current
[01:04:13] president, longtime MIT professor,
[01:04:17] is there any evidence that he worked on
[01:04:18] the OAP question?
[01:04:21] >> None that I could find, but if you're at
[01:04:23] Wright Patterson in the 40s and 50s,
[01:04:26] that's Project Blue Book. So that's
[01:04:28] that's that's the home base of UFO
[01:04:30] research.
[01:04:33] So, you know, whether he's working on
[01:04:34] it, I I can't prove that, but he's
[01:04:36] certainly passing those guys in the
[01:04:38] hall. I mean, Blue Book started when 52.
[01:04:41] So, he's involved. He's, you know, he's
[01:04:43] there. So, I keep hearing this phrase
[01:04:46] remote viewing, which I I sort of
[01:04:48] picture in my head what it is. I don't
[01:04:50] really know what it is. I don't know if
[01:04:52] it's real or not. The government's
[01:04:53] involved. What What do you know about
[01:04:54] remote viewing?
[01:04:55] >> First, tell me what you think it is. I
[01:04:57] >> think remote viewing is I'm like
[01:05:00] actually being a little bit false. I
[01:05:01] have some sense of what it is.
[01:05:03] >> It's this it's the ability
[01:05:05] >> to see
[01:05:08] things that are very far from your
[01:05:10] physical proximity. So like close your
[01:05:12] eyes and you can all of a sudden look
[01:05:14] into a room a thousand miles away. I
[01:05:16] know that I think it's true that CIA
[01:05:18] worked to evoke this ability in people.
[01:05:22] Um but I I kind of want to know this
[01:05:24] state of play. Is that actually real? Do
[01:05:26] we know that it's real?
[01:05:27] >> We know that it's real. Um remote
[01:05:30] viewing started
[01:05:32] it probably started but you know at the
[01:05:35] beginning of the human race but remote
[01:05:37] viewing that we're talking about started
[01:05:39] 1972 Stanford Research Institute
[01:05:42] um Russell Tar and uh Halutoff
[01:05:46] physicists scientists were just studying
[01:05:50] psychic phenomenon just you know where
[01:05:52] here's a shape on a card you know that
[01:05:55] scene at the beginning of Ghostbusters
[01:05:57] is it a star is a circle. They're doing
[01:05:58] that sort of thing.
[01:06:00] And um
[01:06:03] a man walks in, his name is Ingo Swan.
[01:06:05] He's become a very famous psychic. And
[01:06:07] uh
[01:06:09] at this point, Target put off for
[01:06:11] essentially advertising on campus
[01:06:13] psychics wanted. So he walks in and
[01:06:15] says, "I'm the best psychic in the
[01:06:16] world." So they give him a card to read
[01:06:19] and he says, "Give
[01:06:21] me something hard to do." Like what?
[01:06:24] send somebody out in the San Francisco
[01:06:26] Bay area and I'll tell you what where
[01:06:29] they are and what they see. It's like,
[01:06:32] okay, we'll do that. So, they send
[01:06:34] somebody out
[01:06:36] and he just starts to kind of focus and
[01:06:38] concentrate and he starts to draw, you
[01:06:40] know, I see I see I see a water
[01:06:44] fountain, but it's but there's no water
[01:06:45] in it. I see these circles on the
[01:06:48] ground. I see a building. And turns out
[01:06:51] they got it all right. They described
[01:06:53] the pattern of the walkway. There was a
[01:06:55] fountain there that was not on that
[01:06:57] particular day. The building was exactly
[01:06:59] where they said it was. Then they
[01:07:01] realized, "Okay, we have something
[01:07:03] something different here than a shape on
[01:07:06] a card."
[01:07:08] They said, "Well, Ingo, where can you
[01:07:10] go?" And he said, "I can go anywhere."
[01:07:13] Like anywhere. Like anywhere in space
[01:07:15] and time. I have a whole episode of Ingo
[01:07:18] remote viewing the moon, but let's stick
[01:07:21] with this for now.
[01:07:24] So they test Ingo Swan um a few times at
[01:07:28] Yuri Geller was was another one they
[01:07:30] tested who was able to see things inside
[01:07:32] safes and there are a few other
[01:07:34] psychics. Pat Price is my personal
[01:07:36] favorite. Joe McMonicle is a very famous
[01:07:38] one. But um what got CIA's attention was
[01:07:43] in SR in
[01:07:46] in at Stanford buried deep underground
[01:07:48] was a magnetometer and this was used to
[01:07:51] measure
[01:07:52] perturberations in the earth's crust to
[01:07:55] detect nuclear explosions. So this is an
[01:07:57] important device. It's buried
[01:07:59] underground shielded by cement
[01:08:01] superconducting shielding like you can't
[01:08:04] it's you can't get to it.
[01:08:07] Ingo is able to draw what it looks like.
[01:08:11] And he says, "I could even move that
[01:08:13] needle." I said, "Go for it." So he
[01:08:16] moves the needle. Now they're excited.
[01:08:20] The experiment works, but that needle
[01:08:22] moving means a nuclear explosion just
[01:08:24] went off somewhere. So the CIA
[01:08:27] government gets involved. They want to
[01:08:28] What's going on? It's not a nuclear
[01:08:30] explosion. Oh, we we're doing this
[01:08:31] program.
[01:08:33] And they say, "You're doing what?" And
[01:08:36] they're not really they don't really
[01:08:37] care that he can move a needle. They're
[01:08:39] worried about he can see inside behind
[01:08:41] cement and that means there's no more
[01:08:44] secrets. So the CIA starts funding this
[01:08:47] project through various front companies
[01:08:50] and
[01:08:52] all intelligence agencies want to get
[01:08:55] involved with this.
[01:08:58] It comes kind of comes to a a peak. This
[01:09:01] is before Pat gets involved, but it's an
[01:09:03] interesting story. It's called the It's
[01:09:05] called the Sugar Grove breakin. There's
[01:09:08] a CIA analyst. There's a bunch of CIA
[01:09:11] people there. CI analyst says, um, here
[01:09:14] are coordinates.
[01:09:16] They give to Ingo Swam. Nobody knows
[01:09:19] what the coordinates are. The analyst
[01:09:20] won't tell, nobody, the handlers won't
[01:09:22] tell, nobody knows. Here are the
[01:09:23] coordinates. And Ingo does his thing and
[01:09:26] he says, I see a guard house. There's a
[01:09:29] there's a radar giant radar dish and
[01:09:31] there's building it looks like a
[01:09:32] military. There's accordion rollup
[01:09:34] doors. There's jeeps. It's a military
[01:09:37] some type of military installation. He
[01:09:39] draws it. The mountains are here. The
[01:09:40] roads here. There's the river. Detailed
[01:09:42] map. Says, "That's what I saw." And uh
[01:09:46] they give to the analyst say, "Here, is
[01:09:47] this it?" And the guy's like, "It's not
[01:09:50] even close. I gave you the coordinates
[01:09:52] of my vacation house in West Virginia."
[01:09:55] Then they were like, "Ah shit." Okay.
[01:09:58] So, that didn't work. But Pat Price
[01:10:00] comes along and Pat Price maybe the most
[01:10:02] talented psychic ever
[01:10:06] remote views the same location, sees the
[01:10:08] same things without knowing anything
[01:10:10] what Ingo saw. You look at the maps,
[01:10:12] they're almost identical. Radar dish,
[01:10:14] guard tower, roll up doors. But Pat is
[01:10:17] very talented. He says, "I see a
[01:10:19] building. I'm going into the building."
[01:10:23] Let me back up for a second. Pat Price,
[01:10:25] retired police officer from Burbank,
[01:10:27] always had an intuition to solve crimes.
[01:10:30] Where's the body? Price knows. Where's
[01:10:32] the suspect hiding? Price knows. He just
[01:10:34] thought he had a hunch. But he retired
[01:10:36] and started to develop this skill and
[01:10:38] heard about this program and got
[01:10:40] involved. So that's Pat Price. So he
[01:10:42] sees the same things.
[01:10:44] So now that's clearly not a coincidence.
[01:10:46] So this is not a log cabin vacation on
[01:10:48] what's going on there. So SRRI sends
[01:10:51] someone to the coordinates. They they
[01:10:52] find the vacation. They found the log
[01:10:54] cabin and they're like, "But there's a
[01:10:56] dirt road here about 200 ft. We'll
[01:11:00] follow the road." And they follow the
[01:11:01] road down just over the ridge in West
[01:11:03] Virginia in Sugar Grove and there's the
[01:11:05] guard house. It's a military
[01:11:08] installation and they can't they can't
[01:11:09] enter, but they can see there's a radar
[01:11:11] dish.
[01:11:12] The problem was Pat Price went into the
[01:11:14] building. He said, "I see green filing
[01:11:16] cabinets." All right, Pat. What else? It
[01:11:19] says operation pool. Okay, go. He's he
[01:11:24] said, "I'm going through the folders. Q
[01:11:26] ball, QST stick, rackup, eightball, all
[01:11:30] very specific."
[01:11:32] It turns out
[01:11:35] that caused every law enforcement agency
[01:11:36] in the country to show up at SRRI
[01:11:39] and they wanted to know why this weird
[01:11:42] CIA pet project was spying on the the
[01:11:47] most secret NSA facility in the world.
[01:11:50] Not just
[01:11:52] secret but so top secret that even the
[01:11:55] names of the projects which were cubal
[01:11:57] rack up all this were top top secret.
[01:12:00] This is a facility to spy on Russian
[01:12:03] satellites. Nobody knew it was there.
[01:12:05] The CIA analysts didn't know it was
[01:12:07] there. So Ingo and Pat just their
[01:12:10] consciousness they just assumed well
[01:12:12] they they don't care about the log
[01:12:13] cabin. We're this is the CIA. They
[01:12:16] obviously want us to look at this. So
[01:12:18] from then on, every intelligence agency
[01:12:22] had psychics working. All of them. None
[01:12:25] of them admitted to it, but they all had
[01:12:26] psychics working for them. And um
[01:12:30] >> I know that the Iran rescue operation in
[01:12:32] 1980 had one.
[01:12:33] >> Correct. That was Joe McMonicle who
[01:12:35] found them. Um
[01:12:38] this operation I think was leaked by
[01:12:39] Jimmy Carter in 96 who was giving a talk
[01:12:42] at a college and some kid asked him
[01:12:44] like, "What's the weirdest thing that
[01:12:45] ever happened when you were president?"
[01:12:46] and he said, you know, in his in his far
[01:12:49] peanut farmer voice, you know, we had
[01:12:51] this Russian bomber go down in Africa
[01:12:54] and we needed to get there before the
[01:12:55] Soviets. We didn't know how to do that,
[01:12:58] but we knew we had this group of like
[01:12:59] psychics that could see stuff and they
[01:13:01] were helping solve involved with the
[01:13:03] Patty Patty Earth kidnapping. They
[01:13:05] helped they helped find that. Um, but
[01:13:07] that that's not why they reported, but
[01:13:08] it is but it happened. Um, so they had a
[01:13:12] remote viewer who was really just like a
[01:13:15] receptionist that they trained to do
[01:13:17] this because this is so this is an
[01:13:19] ability that we can all do. She found
[01:13:21] where that bomber went down
[01:13:24] and the American military was able to
[01:13:27] get there before the Russians and
[01:13:28] retrieve this bomber. This is this all
[01:13:30] documented and and Carter just kind of
[01:13:33] let that slip and that was sort of the
[01:13:34] end of the public knowing about
[01:13:38] >> that was the whole reveal.
[01:13:39] >> It kind of was. It was called Project
[01:13:40] Stargate at this time, but it was
[01:13:41] originally Project Scan 8 and Grill
[01:13:44] Flame and Centerlane and some other
[01:13:46] names like that. Project Stargate is the
[01:13:48] one that everybody knows. Um, so they
[01:13:51] test Pat Price again and they say we,
[01:13:55] you know, rather than spy on ourselves,
[01:13:57] let's see what he can see on the Soviet
[01:13:58] side. And Pat draws this. He says, "I
[01:14:01] see a science fiction crane." And he
[01:14:03] draws it out. It's a big gantry crane
[01:14:05] which is like a a I don't know 100 foot
[01:14:08] tall crane that sits on railroad tracks.
[01:14:10] It's huge thing and he draws it
[01:14:14] and shows it to CIA and they can't
[01:14:17] believe it but it matches aerial
[01:14:18] photography.
[01:14:20] So he sees it. So now they want to know
[01:14:22] what is this thing? He says I don't know
[01:14:24] what it is but underground are these are
[01:14:28] these 60ft metal spheres but they don't
[01:14:32] work.
[01:14:33] Nobody knows what they are. It later
[01:14:35] comes out that they weren't 60 foot
[01:14:37] spheres. They were 58 feet and they were
[01:14:39] containment for nuclear nuclear
[01:14:42] material, but they didn't work. So he
[01:14:45] saw that that was Pat Price.
[01:14:48] CA is so impressed with his work that
[01:14:51] they say you just come and work for us.
[01:14:53] So they pulled him out of SRRI and he's
[01:14:55] exclusively working for uh for CI at
[01:14:58] that point.
[01:14:59] He's doing some of his own remote
[01:15:01] viewing on kind of on the side some not
[01:15:05] espionage. He's looking around and his
[01:15:08] most famous one is he remote viewed
[01:15:10] Mount Hayes. Mount Hayes in Alaska and
[01:15:13] he sends his consciousness into the
[01:15:14] mountain and he sees inside the mountain
[01:15:17] tall thin alien beings working alongside
[01:15:21] American military. He sees it inside the
[01:15:24] mountain. Now people have gone up there.
[01:15:25] There's no way in. There's no way out. I
[01:15:27] can't prove any of it. But this is what
[01:15:28] he saw. So he takes that information. He
[01:15:31] gives it to Haluto off. Hal's no longer
[01:15:33] with Stargate at this point. I think
[01:15:35] it's run by Skip Atwater. Could be
[01:15:37] wrong, but I think it was Skip. Gives it
[01:15:39] to Skip. And
[01:15:41] Skip passes it along. Just a couple of
[01:15:43] days later, Pat is in Las Vegas and he's
[01:15:47] in the hotel lobby front of the
[01:15:50] elevators heading up to his room.
[01:15:52] Someone bumps into him and he feels like
[01:15:54] a pinch a pinch on his leg.
[01:15:58] goes upstairs, calls his wife to say
[01:16:00] good night. She says, "You don't sound
[01:16:02] good." He says, "Um, I don't feel well."
[01:16:04] He says, "Say good night." And he's
[01:16:06] found dead the next morning.
[01:16:08] >> 58 years old. That's They called it a
[01:16:11] heart attack. But no autopsy is done.
[01:16:14] Um, someone comes in with credentials.
[01:16:16] They say, "We'll take it from here."
[01:16:18] Pat's body's cremated. And then they
[01:16:20] call his wife and say what happened. And
[01:16:23] Pat's now buried in an unmarked grave in
[01:16:25] North Hollywood, which you can find if
[01:16:27] you want to pay your respects if that's
[01:16:29] where Pat is. Patrice is probably the
[01:16:31] most talented that there was. Joe
[01:16:33] McMonagle is famous. He's still around,
[01:16:36] by the way, still remote viewing. He's
[01:16:38] the one who found
[01:16:41] he found a large building like a 100
[01:16:43] yards from water in the Soviet Union
[01:16:46] and didn't know what they were building
[01:16:47] in there. He starts sketching a
[01:16:49] submarine like, "All right, they're
[01:16:50] building a sub." He says, "No, this is
[01:16:52] different. It's got like it's like two
[01:16:54] subs together. It's like a twin sub."
[01:16:58] They like, "What are you talking about?"
[01:17:00] Cuz a twin hole sub. He said, "It's it's
[01:17:02] giant." He said, "I've never seen
[01:17:04] anything this big." And they're going to
[01:17:06] launch it in 120 days. That's kind of
[01:17:09] specific.
[01:17:11] And 118 days later, the Russian Typhoon
[01:17:14] class sub is launched. And it's the
[01:17:17] largest submarine ever made. And it's a
[01:17:19] twin hull sub. And Joe saw that. Now he
[01:17:22] claims his success rate is like 90 95%.
[01:17:26] CIA says it's lower than that, but he
[01:17:29] saw that. And Joe McMonagle,
[01:17:32] he's he's received the Order of Merit,
[01:17:35] which I think is the second highest
[01:17:37] award you can get as a from I think it's
[01:17:41] the second highest as a civilian from
[01:17:42] the military.
[01:17:44] And in his in his citations, it's for
[01:17:46] 200 successful missions,
[01:17:49] 150 of which provided vital intelligence
[01:17:51] to American operations, but it doesn't
[01:17:54] say anything more than that, but that's
[01:17:56] in his official citation. Now,
[01:18:00] all this kind of comes out and I think
[01:18:02] Gates was
[01:18:04] I think Gates was DCI at this point. He
[01:18:07] goes on TV and says, "There's nothing to
[01:18:09] this Stargate thing. no real
[01:18:11] intelligence has come from it and we're
[01:18:13] shutting it down
[01:18:15] >> and that was kind of the last that
[01:18:17] happened with Stargate
[01:18:19] >> publicly
[01:18:20] >> publicly. I I think it continues because
[01:18:23] the Soviets were trying to do the same
[01:18:25] thing at the time
[01:18:26] >> and uh and they allegedly got it to
[01:18:29] work. Now, interestingly enough, Soviet
[01:18:32] and American remote viewers, they get
[01:18:34] together and they teach each other and
[01:18:35] actually practice. Um, what I find
[01:18:38] fascinating is they could see not just
[01:18:40] through space but through time. So there
[01:18:43] was one time where Joe McMonicle was
[01:18:45] given he was given coordinates and he
[01:18:48] remote viewed it and he said, "I think
[01:18:50] I'm on Mars." I said, "Okay, what do you
[01:18:52] see?" He says, "I see these tall slender
[01:18:54] beings walking around. Something's going
[01:18:56] on. There's a problem. There's there's
[01:18:59] species dying." And he said, "I feel
[01:19:03] feel like it's a long time ago." and he
[01:19:05] comes out of his transport whatever. So
[01:19:06] the coordinates were Mars and it said
[01:19:09] Mars 1 million BC.
[01:19:12] So he saw beings on Mars. Um at the time
[01:19:16] the the
[01:19:18] Mars was supposed to be this barren
[01:19:20] planet but Mars had was full of was very
[01:19:23] earthlike. Yes.
[01:19:25] >> Oceans all but at the time no one said
[01:19:27] that but Joe saw it just like Ingo on
[01:19:30] the moon saw alien bases on the moon.
[01:19:34] saw psychic beings on the moon. He said
[01:19:35] they're aware of us. And um
[01:19:40] I think I think those are the things
[01:19:41] that that make the government.
[01:19:43] >> Crew of uh any of the Apollo missions
[01:19:45] when they landed on the moon, do they
[01:19:47] see anything?
[01:19:49] >> Officially no. Officially no. Um the
[01:19:52] story goes that there's a there's a
[01:19:54] radio blackout when Neil and Buzz are up
[01:19:57] there when they first get there. And
[01:19:58] there is a radio blackout.
[01:20:01] And the story is, well, you know how the
[01:20:03] orbit works. Sometimes the radio signal
[01:20:05] drops, whatever. The story is they
[01:20:08] switch over to the medical channel and
[01:20:10] said
[01:20:12] they're here. They're on the crater and
[01:20:14] they can see us. That's that's what the
[01:20:16] story is. And Ingos Swan said he saw
[01:20:20] things on the moon. He saw structures.
[01:20:22] He saw beings that are there.
[01:20:26] If you go through secondary sources,
[01:20:28] every astronaut has seen strange things
[01:20:31] in space. Edgar Mitchell is on record as
[01:20:33] saying UFOs are real. They're
[01:20:35] extraterrestrial. Roswell is real. That
[01:20:38] happened. We have craft. Um the
[01:20:40] government is lying. This is a sixth man
[01:20:42] to walk on the moon. This is not a kook.
[01:20:44] This is an American hero. So something's
[01:20:47] clearly going on up there. But anyway,
[01:20:49] that's that's the
[01:20:51] >> know about the moon. Exactly.
[01:20:52] >> Not not very much. Not very much at all.
[01:20:55] We um
[01:20:59] Let me ask you, do do you think we went
[01:21:00] to the moon? Do you think we landed on
[01:21:01] the moon? I have a lot of thoughts on it
[01:21:04] uh that I never get into. I mean, I
[01:21:07] >> You squirm the way I do and asked.
[01:21:09] >> I mean,
[01:21:13] I I went down this once um cuz it's my
[01:21:16] job, right? And I I found it really
[01:21:18] distressing, so I just kind of gave up.
[01:21:21] But I did, you know, I talked, you know,
[01:21:23] you never know who's telling you the
[01:21:24] truth about anything, right? But, uh, I
[01:21:26] talked to people, you know, I sort of do
[01:21:28] trust like, no, it's not. But then I
[01:21:31] thought, you know, whatever. I don't I
[01:21:32] don't There are a lot I spent my life
[01:21:34] looking into into things and trying to
[01:21:36] figure out what's real and what's not.
[01:21:37] And and I do think in midlife you
[01:21:39] realize, having done this for so many
[01:21:41] years that like some things you're just
[01:21:42] you're not going to know,
[01:21:43] >> right? And and I think you can go crazy
[01:21:47] because I've pushed to the edge of it
[01:21:48] myself trying to figure out what's
[01:21:50] right, what's true, what actually
[01:21:52] happened, what reality is. But I think
[01:21:55] it's unattainable on certain stories.
[01:21:56] This may be one of them. I I will say we
[01:21:59] accidentally taped over the original
[01:22:01] footage cuz we ran out of Betamax.
[01:22:04] >> Yeah.
[01:22:04] >> And the, you know, the schematic
[01:22:07] drawings of the of the spacecraft are
[01:22:09] like missing and all. It's like
[01:22:11] >> telemetry data is gone.
[01:22:13] your data is going it's like stop
[01:22:14] >> they can't replicate the technology
[01:22:16] >> right yeah so that would um
[01:22:20] >> I'll say this if it if it was faked of
[01:22:23] course can't prove that
[01:22:25] >> um then it's just one more instance of
[01:22:27] the US government having to backfill you
[01:22:29] know a 57y old lie and it's done that a
[01:22:34] lot did certainly did it with the murder
[01:22:35] of John F Kennedy and it just it you
[01:22:38] know you tell a lie and it just kind of
[01:22:40] doesn't go away because you have to
[01:22:42] continually make up new lies in order to
[01:22:44] cover, you know, the lie, the original
[01:22:46] lie. So, um, you'd hate to think that's
[01:22:49] that's real.
[01:22:50] >> That's the struggle with the moonlanding
[01:22:52] question, I think, because I it wasn't a
[01:22:54] gotcha question cuz when I'm asked that
[01:22:55] all the time, and I do the same thing. I
[01:22:56] kind of go, "Uh,
[01:22:59] A, I wish you didn't ask me that. B, I'm
[01:23:01] not sure. I think we did. I think
[01:23:04] something was found up there,
[01:23:07] which is why we didn't go back." And for
[01:23:09] me, it all hinges on Edgar Mitchell cuz
[01:23:11] I trust I trust and believe him. And if
[01:23:14] he says he walked on the moon, then I
[01:23:16] believe him. But I think something was
[01:23:18] found up there that that maybe the
[01:23:20] government didn't want us to find.
[01:23:21] >> There's clearly lying around it. I mean,
[01:23:23] that's what we know. That's I just know
[01:23:24] that from having a lot of children. If
[01:23:26] there's like evasion and certain parts
[01:23:28] of the story don't make sense, then
[01:23:30] there's lying there. Now, what does that
[01:23:32] add up to? Sometimes it's it's just very
[01:23:33] minor, you know, um and sometimes it's
[01:23:36] not. But lying is the tell. It's a sign
[01:23:41] of you know
[01:23:43] what it is which is deception. Trying to
[01:23:45] hide the truth from other people. Like
[01:23:47] clearly clearly
[01:23:49] uh they are lying.
[01:23:50] >> And that's what makes this so difficult
[01:23:52] is because we know they lie about all
[01:23:53] these things. We run around in circles.
[01:23:56] Yeah.
[01:23:56] >> And the muddy the waters are muddied.
[01:23:58] And I think that's kind of the whole
[01:23:59] point of it.
[01:24:00] >> It may be because simply because I know
[01:24:02] you're lying does not mean I know what
[01:24:03] the truth is. Correct. And that is true
[01:24:05] for so many different things. Some of
[01:24:07] which I have like very close proximity
[01:24:09] to where like I know for a fact you're
[01:24:12] lying. Like you basically told me you're
[01:24:14] lying, but I can only guess as to why.
[01:24:17] >> Right.
[01:24:18] >> Right. That's 100% true.
[01:24:20] >> Last question. Do you ever feel driven
[01:24:22] to like craziness by your job? I mean,
[01:24:24] talk about in the middle of it.
[01:24:25] >> Yes. um maybe not insanity, but I I have
[01:24:30] become maybe certainly more jaded,
[01:24:33] disappointed in my government. Yeah.
[01:24:35] >> Cuz I didn't grow up that way. I grew up
[01:24:36] either
[01:24:37] >> in a very patriotic home.
[01:24:38] >> Yep.
[01:24:39] >> So, everybody's a cop or in the military
[01:24:41] or both. We're draped in draped in old
[01:24:44] glory. And then and I was like that
[01:24:47] really my whole life.
[01:24:49] Iraq wars. I'm behind you. You know, me
[01:24:52] too.
[01:24:52] >> America,
[01:24:54] >> everything. All of it. And in my
[01:24:55] research, I learned that I think just
[01:24:59] about every war we've fought since the
[01:25:01] Second World War is based on a lie.
[01:25:04] >> I can't find any that are based on
[01:25:05] truth. And there's an argument that even
[01:25:07] World War II was were kind of the
[01:25:09] American was deceived into getting
[01:25:11] involved in that. Um, but every other
[01:25:13] war was based on a lie, which and that's
[01:25:15] that's that's certainly proven. Uh, the
[01:25:17] Gulf War was started by a PR company.
[01:25:20] You remember when Naria gave her her
[01:25:22] testimony in front of Congress that they
[01:25:24] were throwing the babies on the ground
[01:25:25] in the hospital? Oh, it was very
[01:25:27] heartbreaking when she was the daughter
[01:25:28] of the ambassador of Kuwait. Um, and
[01:25:30] lying. She had never been to that
[01:25:31] hospital. But I remember that
[01:25:33] >> we had boots on the ground.
[01:25:35] >> Yeah. Killed a lot of people. You know,
[01:25:37] not many Americans died. Thank heaven.
[01:25:39] But, um, yeah, I I drove on the highway
[01:25:42] of death. Boy, I'm not not defending the
[01:25:44] Iraqis. I guess we're, you know, it
[01:25:45] doesn't matter how many we kill. That's
[01:25:47] the official view. But
[01:25:48] >> there's only 30,000.
[01:25:49] >> It was pretty brutal. I mean, I saw the
[01:25:51] aftermath of it is pretty pretty
[01:25:53] >> brutal. But but 500 Americans, that's
[01:25:55] enough for me to get.
[01:25:56] >> There are 500 killed in the first Gulf
[01:25:57] War.
[01:25:58] >> I'm so embarrassed I didn't remember
[01:25:59] that.
[01:26:00] >> So jaded, disappointed, angry. Um but
[01:26:04] not bitter. Not bitter. You know, I I
[01:26:08] end my episodes really never with
[01:26:10] despair, never really with hope. It's
[01:26:13] more about um
[01:26:17] try to when when you're told things just
[01:26:20] think closely. I try to help people to
[01:26:23] not what to think but but how to think.
[01:26:26] Don't trust everything that you that you
[01:26:27] that comes out of the media. Whether
[01:26:29] you're on the right or the left that
[01:26:30] really that's all kind of a puppet show.
[01:26:32] It's really about people versus power.
[01:26:34] And anything that the powerful tell you
[01:26:36] don't trust it.
[01:26:37] >> Exactly. Exactly. Ex. Boy, I couldn't
[01:26:40] have put that better. AJ, thank you very
[01:26:43] much.
[01:26:43] >> Thank you for having me.
[01:26:44] >> Wreck my sleep.
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