John Leake: The Demonic Rituals to Replicate God and Mankind’s New Religion of Science

[00:00:00] Thank you, John, for doing this. Um, all [00:00:02] through the COVID experience, um, [00:00:06] tragedy, I had this kind of recurring [00:00:08] question in my mind, which no one's ever [00:00:10] answered, and I think that you have [00:00:11] gotten to the answer or close to the [00:00:14] answer. And the question is this. Why [00:00:16] were public health authorities in the [00:00:19] United States and acting in concert with [00:00:21] the media so intent on discouraging [00:00:24] Americans from treating CO? There was [00:00:28] this persistent and very aggressive and [00:00:30] at times really vicious campaign to get [00:00:32] people to stop thinking about how to [00:00:34] treat this illness which we were told [00:00:36] was going to wipe out a huge percentage [00:00:38] of humanity and just to accept the vax. [00:00:40] But no treatment at all cuz that's fish [00:00:42] tank cleaner. It's horse tranquilizer. [00:00:46] What was that? And I'm going to stand [00:00:47] back and let you tell the story. [00:00:54] >> [music] [00:01:09] >> What was that? [00:01:10] >> Well, the short answer is that it was to [00:01:14] stamp out the heresy of what is called [00:01:18] vaccine hesitation. [00:01:21] So vaccine hesitation, there's a huge [00:01:24] literature on it. It's a psychological [00:01:27] analysis of all of the factors that [00:01:30] would cause anyone, a man, a woman, a [00:01:33] young person, to hesitate to get the [00:01:37] vaccine. And I want to emphasize this. [00:01:40] You Google vaccine hesitancy, you're [00:01:43] going to get a million search results. [00:01:47] So what is vaccine hesitancy? And I [00:01:49] think it's best understood [00:01:52] not so much in scientific terms, not in [00:01:55] empirical scientific terms. It's a form [00:01:58] of heresy. And this was the thing that [00:02:02] my co-author Dr. Peter McCulla and I, we [00:02:05] had conversations about this for the [00:02:08] last five years. [00:02:10] Why is it heresy? And conversely, why is [00:02:14] the vaccine a kind of in the minds of so [00:02:19] many people something like a savior? [00:02:23] Well, a liberator and a savior. And I I [00:02:27] hope I I'm not out of line by showing [00:02:30] you this on the cover of the book. I [00:02:32] know this kind of sounds like a a uh you [00:02:34] know uh plugging the book, but there's a [00:02:37] reason for this. That Do you know what [00:02:39] that is? [00:02:40] >> I don't. That is a 20 silver coin issued [00:02:45] by the Vatican in the year 2022 [00:02:48] commemorating the CO 19 vaccine, [00:02:52] specifically the messenger RNA vaccine. [00:02:54] >> Actually, [00:02:55] >> Mhm. And you will observe the [00:02:59] traditional Catholic iconography, the [00:03:02] the three the Trinity. You could you [00:03:05] could go into, for example, the the art [00:03:08] history museum in Vienna. There's a [00:03:10] Raphael painting Madonna of the meadow [00:03:13] and it's this tripartite figures I think [00:03:16] in Madonna in the meadow it's the Virgin [00:03:19] Mary Christ and John the Baptist. [00:03:22] So that three and then here you have the [00:03:26] the cross [00:03:28] when somebody looks at that if [00:03:30] particularly if they're Roman Catholic [00:03:33] they immediately have all of the [00:03:35] iconography and all the feelings and and [00:03:37] thoughts. That's the most resonant image [00:03:40] possible [00:03:41] >> for sure. So if you look at the num [00:03:44] mystic catalog, the the coin catalog for [00:03:47] the Vatican, it it issues different [00:03:49] medals and coins and so forth. [snorts] [00:03:52] It is described as a boy prepares to [00:03:56] receive the vaccine. [00:03:58] >> Not really. [00:03:59] >> A boy prepares to receive the vaccine. [00:04:03] >> This is his first vaccine. [00:04:05] [laughter] [00:04:06] >> Sorry. Excuse me. [00:04:07] >> You got it. Yeah, I mean the grammar, [00:04:11] the number of words, it's identical. A [00:04:14] boy prepares to receive the Eucharist. [00:04:18] So what Francis did with this, and I [00:04:22] don't know if he's the guy making the [00:04:24] decisions, is let's take the existing [00:04:27] religious iconography, the idea of [00:04:30] Christ the Savior, [00:04:33] the one that will protect you or at [00:04:35] least your soul. [00:04:38] And how are we supposed to interpret [00:04:40] this other than well it's the vaccine [00:04:43] that's the savior? So I saw that and I [00:04:46] thought well that's rather remarkable. I [00:04:50] wonder if there are any other [00:04:53] indications of this overlaying [00:04:57] vaccine [00:04:58] iconography on top of existing religious [00:05:02] iconography. And I just started finding [00:05:04] them everywhere. [00:05:05] >> Really? Well, there's that famous, not [00:05:08] famous enough, but still famous Diego [00:05:11] Rivera mural that I believe hangs in [00:05:13] Detroit paint in the 30s which presents [00:05:17] the vaccine as a kind of eucharist. [00:05:20] >> Right. The in that iteration, [00:05:25] >> I think that's a funny painting by the [00:05:26] way. I'm glad that you mentioned that. [00:05:29] In that iteration, it would seem that [00:05:32] the central figure is the Virgin Mary. [00:05:36] She has the sort of Christ's child like [00:05:39] in a manger. There are these different [00:05:41] animals around the manger like the [00:05:43] nativity. [00:05:45] What he's actually doing with that is [00:05:47] the different animals around the na the [00:05:49] nativity scene. There's a horse, there's [00:05:51] a cow, I think there's a goat. That's in [00:05:55] the way it's described is a reference to [00:05:57] the serum that back in those days, I [00:06:00] think this was in the 30s. [00:06:02] >> Yes. [snorts] [00:06:03] >> That's a reference to the serum that is [00:06:06] for example extracted from horses um [00:06:09] with dtheria. The cow is obviously [00:06:12] smallox. [00:06:14] So, it's taking the nativity scene and [00:06:18] it's making it a celebration of this [00:06:21] great um human achievement, but they're [00:06:26] everywhere. So really there this kind of [00:06:30] iconography I mean it's a big it's a big [00:06:32] world and there's a lot of images [00:06:33] obviously [00:06:35] but we found uh a church in South Africa [00:06:41] and I think it's a a Roman Catholic [00:06:43] church. might be an Episcopal Church of [00:06:45] England, but I think it's a I should [00:06:46] remember this, but there's a huge banner [00:06:50] hanging from the facade that said, "Even [00:06:53] the blood of Christ cannot protect you. [00:06:58] Get vaccinated." And what's interesting [00:07:00] about this, it shows [00:07:01] >> for real, [00:07:02] >> for real. Speaking of heresy [00:07:05] >> and it the the subliminal quality of [00:07:09] this piece of propaganda is remarkable [00:07:12] because blood it's all black script [00:07:17] except for the word blood. It's blood [00:07:19] red and then the word vaccine the script [00:07:22] is in blood red. So you see the [00:07:26] equivalence but it's not really an [00:07:28] equivalence. There's the association of [00:07:30] equivalents, but in fact, the vaccine [00:07:33] [snorts] is more effective than the [00:07:35] blood of Christ in protecting the [00:07:38] beneficiary. [00:07:39] So, what is this? Um, this is [00:07:42] >> Well, it's shocking. I didn't know any [00:07:44] of this. [00:07:45] >> Yeah, it is shocking. [00:07:46] >> Are there churches in the United States [00:07:47] that have spread this? [00:07:49] >> Well, I've not seen anything quite that [00:07:54] crass, that extreme. And of of course [00:07:57] this is, you know, the context. It's [00:07:59] South Africa. [00:08:01] Somebody at that church seems to think [00:08:03] you have to hit people with a [00:08:05] sledgehammer in order to to get them to [00:08:07] overcome their [00:08:09] >> vaccine hesitancy. Um, but one of the [00:08:12] things that Dr. McCulla and I discovered [00:08:16] was very alarming that the so-called [00:08:19] Biden administration, [00:08:22] it's called the I believe it was called [00:08:24] the COVID vaccine core, [00:08:27] which dispersed billions of dollars to [00:08:30] various recipients. The major sports [00:08:33] leagues, the NFL, I think Major League [00:08:36] Baseball, they received just an outright [00:08:40] bribe. I don't see how else you can [00:08:42] characterize this. It's just Uncle Sam [00:08:45] is going to give you a bunch of dough [00:08:48] and you're going to basically force this [00:08:52] on your league. And and there's a reason [00:08:54] for that that we will get into. [00:08:58] But also the mainline Episcopal mainline [00:09:01] Episcopal Protestant evangelical [00:09:04] churches, Roman Catholic churches, all [00:09:06] of their clergy [00:09:08] received money to I don't know how else [00:09:12] to put it, push the vaccine. And there [00:09:15] were very few um pastors or or priests [00:09:19] or recctors uh what was it in the [00:09:23] Episcopal Church recctors [00:09:25] >> who refuse and you know but how how I [00:09:29] mean that right there strikes me as a as [00:09:32] a violation well of the first amendment [00:09:34] which prohibits state religion but also [00:09:37] of their their duties as Christian [00:09:39] leaders. You can't take money from the [00:09:41] government to push something like that. [00:09:43] I mean, I don't understand. Are these [00:09:44] people still in leadership? It was only [00:09:46] 5 years ago. [00:09:49] >> I mean, I would I would You're asking [00:09:52] questions now that Peter and I have been [00:09:55] asking for 5 years, and [00:09:58] we've been profoundly puzzled by this. [00:10:00] It's very confounding. [00:10:02] and you know ultimately [00:10:05] well I want to mention the NFL as as [00:10:08] well and then um the the tennis league [00:10:11] the professional tennis league as well. [00:10:13] So [snorts] [00:10:14] Aaron Rogers, the Green Bay Packers [00:10:17] quarterback, he goes on to Joe Rogan, [00:10:21] and he describes this sort of struggle [00:10:23] session that the NFL that the the the [00:10:27] management, the the administrators of [00:10:30] the Green Bay Packers put him through. [00:10:33] Extreme isolation, [00:10:35] shaming. [00:10:37] I don't know if you saw the interview, [00:10:40] but he's this kind of goodnatured, tough [00:10:43] guy who's just sort of speaking in a [00:10:46] matter-of-act way with with Joe Rogan. [00:10:49] And I [snorts] began to realize [00:10:52] whether Aaron Rogers conceptualized this [00:10:55] way or not, it's very apparent [00:10:59] he was perceived as being guilty of [00:11:01] heresy. It it's like I mean the most [00:11:04] obvious example of this is like Martin [00:11:07] Luther in Germany. It's like you're I [00:11:10] think he was in a Dominican or an [00:11:13] Austinian frier. I can't remember which [00:11:15] order [00:11:16] but he posts his thesis on the door of [00:11:19] the castle church in Vittenborg [00:11:23] and it's like the game is on. Okay, you [00:11:25] just committed heresy. You know the [00:11:27] story. the the holy office, the pope [00:11:30] himself excommunicates him and there's [00:11:35] sort of no hope for him. In the case of [00:11:37] Aaron Rogers, I believe it's the same [00:11:40] psychology. It's you're a very prominent [00:11:44] person. Now, in the case of Martin [00:11:45] Luther, he's hanging around with I think [00:11:48] a Saxon Duke. Um, you can't do this if [00:11:54] you do this because now people are [00:11:57] looking up to you. [00:12:00] If you commit heresy and you get away [00:12:03] with it, the whole [00:12:06] stamping out of vaccine hesitancy [00:12:10] will be imperiled. [00:12:12] Does that make sense? [00:12:13] >> It makes absolute sense. So [snorts] [00:12:15] this this you know just [00:12:18] under the thumb just make your life as [00:12:21] miserable as possible. [00:12:22] >> Everything serves the imperative [00:12:24] >> the imperative [00:12:25] >> which is the way organizations work. [00:12:26] They all have an imperative. Usually the [00:12:27] imperative is self-preservation [00:12:29] expansion accumulation of power whatever [00:12:31] but whatever the imperative is whatever [00:12:33] the goal is everything is subservient to [00:12:35] that. That's just that's how people are. [00:12:37] That's how organizations are. It doesn't [00:12:39] answer the question why is giving people [00:12:42] the vaccine [00:12:44] the only thing that matters. I think [00:12:47] that's and I I'm jumping so far ahead in [00:12:49] the story and I and I hope that you can [00:12:51] shed some light on that question, but it [00:12:53] all goes back to the fact that public [00:12:55] health authorities, political [00:12:56] leadership, clergy, everyone with any [00:12:58] power at all in the West, not just the [00:13:00] United States, decided the only thing [00:13:02] that matters is getting this needle into [00:13:04] the arms of our populations. That's it. [00:13:07] >> That was it. Um, you know, [00:13:09] >> but why? [00:13:10] >> Well, let's let's start. [00:13:11] >> Yeah. Sorry. I said I would shut up. I'm [00:13:14] not. Well, this Christmas, give the gift [00:13:15] of sleep with eight sleep. Everybody [00:13:18] needs good rest for most of their days, [00:13:20] but few know how to actually get it. [00:13:22] [music] Eight sleeps pod 5 is the answer [00:13:25] to that. 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[00:15:14] The only way we're going to be able to [00:15:16] go back to normal is basically when [00:15:22] essentially everybody on the planet gets [00:15:24] the vaccine. [00:15:27] Okay. So I hope I'm not [00:15:31] pressing on this metaphor too far but [00:15:34] the enunciation. So all is bleak. The [00:15:38] world is a mess. You know normaly has [00:15:41] been completely turned on its head. It [00:15:43] we can only go back to normal. He [00:15:46] actually uses that phrase. We can only [00:15:48] go back to normal when everyone gets the [00:15:50] vaccine. Well remember this is April of [00:15:53] 2020. [00:15:55] There's no [00:15:57] there's no I mean the the the clinical [00:16:00] trial for the Madna vaccine which Madna [00:16:03] made with had had developed with the NIH [00:16:06] with Anthony Fouch's NIH I mean it had [00:16:09] just gone in to human trials I say just [00:16:13] it actually went into human trials very [00:16:15] quickly we can talk about that as well [00:16:18] but how does Mr. Gates already know in [00:16:21] April that this is going to come quickly [00:16:24] enough a usually takes years to develop [00:16:27] a new vaccine quickly enough and that it [00:16:30] will be safe and that it will be [00:16:32] effective. Well, the answer is he [00:16:34] already knew it was a fatal complete. It [00:16:37] was a foregone conclusion. It's coming. [00:16:39] It's coming quickly and when everybody [00:16:41] gets it, then and only then will we be [00:16:44] able to go back to normal. So consider [00:16:47] all of the assumptions in this [00:16:50] proposition. It's it's just perfectly [00:16:52] astonishing. [00:16:54] The Department of Defense and Health and [00:16:56] Human Services in July of 2020, they [00:16:59] say, "Well, we've already inked the [00:17:02] contract. We've already in signed the [00:17:05] contract to purchase I can't remember [00:17:08] how many hundred million doses of Fiser [00:17:10] Bionex vaccine." [00:17:13] And you think [00:17:15] you've already written a like it's not [00:17:19] we don't have it yet. It's not been [00:17:22] developed fully. Human trials for phase [00:17:25] two haven't even commenced. [00:17:28] This is a fade to complete. It's already [00:17:30] been decided and it's already been [00:17:32] decided by the second richest man in the [00:17:34] world that everybody's going to get it. [00:17:38] So it's done. It's a done deal. [00:17:41] So when Dr. Peter McCulla [00:17:45] writes an editorial in The Hill in in [00:17:49] August of 2020 [00:17:51] saying this is just a big gamble. Our [00:17:56] public health authorities, our military, [00:17:58] our health and human services, they've [00:18:00] all decided that this is coming. But [00:18:03] it's a complete gamble. This is a new [00:18:05] technology. It's a genetic technology. [00:18:08] We don't know the long-term effects. We [00:18:10] don't know how it's going to affect [00:18:11] children. [00:18:14] This is a gamble. [00:18:16] And what happened to McCulla when he [00:18:20] started talking this way? Same thing [00:18:22] with Aaron Rogers. [00:18:24] Relentless persecution. [00:18:27] Relentless. you know, fired from his job [00:18:30] at a major university hospital, sued [00:18:34] um [00:18:36] all of his uh editorships of various [00:18:40] academic journals pulled. Um his [00:18:44] professorships [00:18:45] pulled just, [00:18:48] annihilated, sued, [00:18:51] encumbered with attorneys, you know, the [00:18:53] whole thing. So, [00:18:56] you're probably asking, okay, where is [00:18:58] all of this going? Let me just give you [00:19:00] one more example to make my point. I [00:19:02] think professional athletes [00:19:05] are considered, particularly in the eyes [00:19:07] of young men who are potentially the [00:19:10] most dangerous people to those in power. [00:19:13] Like if the young guys [00:19:17] kind of [00:19:19] get together and say we're not putting [00:19:21] up with this, you know, then we've [00:19:23] really got a problem because they're [00:19:24] harder to control. So I think the [00:19:28] attitude of professional sportsmen is of [00:19:31] particular interest. So NovakJokovic [00:19:35] has recovered from COVID 19. He had the [00:19:38] illness. It was symptomatic. [00:19:41] PCR [00:19:42] confirmed. He's done. He got through it. [00:19:46] It's not surprising that a man of his [00:19:48] physical uh conditioning got through it [00:19:50] without a problem, but he's done. He's [00:19:52] he's his body has been infected. His [00:19:56] immune system has mounted a response. [00:19:59] It's overcome the the the infectious [00:20:01] agent. Then he's recovered. There's no [00:20:04] better immunity than that. [00:20:08] I mean, if you want to understand how [00:20:11] vaccines work in theory and in practice, [00:20:14] it is to induce the body's immune system [00:20:19] or stimulate the body's immune system to [00:20:22] respond to an invading uh microorganism. [00:20:27] So, there's no better vaccine than [00:20:30] actually getting through the illness. [00:20:32] Why do we have vaccines? The the thought [00:20:34] going back to Jenner is there are [00:20:38] diseases which are extremely dangerous [00:20:40] which could cause horrible disease and [00:20:43] and mortality. The idea of a vaccine is [00:20:46] induce natural immunity without putting [00:20:51] the recipient [00:20:53] through the trials and and and the [00:20:55] danger and possible death that he would [00:20:58] experience if he just got the bug. Okay, [00:21:02] does that make sense? Of course it does. [00:21:04] >> So this proclamation, [00:21:07] vaccine immunity for CO 19, it's better [00:21:12] than natural immunity. [00:21:15] That is primaasy totally preposterous [00:21:19] and absurd. No one that's ever spent any [00:21:21] time studying immunology would believe [00:21:24] that for one second. [00:21:25] >> So no epidemiologist could believe that. [00:21:28] >> No immunologist. Well, well, how could [00:21:30] you? I mean it just on the face of it is [00:21:34] totally preposterous. But but this is [00:21:37] what we were told. Now it's very [00:21:39] interesting because [00:21:43] I immediately perceived this just from [00:21:45] reading a textbook of immunology. 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Because [00:24:06] the [00:24:08] factual truth of the matter is secondary [00:24:12] perhaps even [00:24:14] tertiary tertiary is secondary or [00:24:17] perhaps even a distant third place [00:24:21] to [00:24:22] >> to the orthodoxy to maintaining the [00:24:25] orthodoxy and and and what I want to you [00:24:28] know so I'm I'm telling you the story I [00:24:31] mean realizing this is something that [00:24:33] came about through I mean we're now 5 [00:24:37] years into this [00:24:39] years of reflection and and and [00:24:41] conversation and and debate with with my [00:24:44] co-author doc Dr. Peter McCulla. And so [00:24:47] the question is um could it be that [00:24:52] we're constantly being told follow the [00:24:55] science? Science is the thing that [00:24:58] governs rational decisionmaking. We're [00:25:01] always being told that. But I think [00:25:06] the big realization is most human [00:25:09] affairs and decision making, it's [00:25:12] actually not outside of something like [00:25:15] Newtonian mechanics like the weights and [00:25:18] balances on an aircraft or engineering a [00:25:22] building or you know all of the things [00:25:25] in which mechanical forces can be [00:25:28] measured and engineered in accordance [00:25:31] with the the force that's being exerted [00:25:34] on it. Apart from, let's keep it simple, [00:25:37] Newtonian mechanics, [00:25:40] there's so much in human existence, the [00:25:44] way the body works, the mysteries of of [00:25:48] why do some people get sick, why do some [00:25:50] people don't? Why do some people live [00:25:53] longer than others? all all of these [00:25:56] questions. [00:25:58] We call it medical science, but in fact [00:26:00] it is so multiffactorial. [00:26:03] There are so many different [00:26:06] known and unknown factors at play that [00:26:10] none of this can be measured. [00:26:13] So what the medical mind has done is I I [00:26:18] think perhaps without even being fully [00:26:20] conscious of it, it's basically adopted [00:26:24] orthodoxies [00:26:26] um a doctrinal [00:26:29] view of medicine. And if if if you if [00:26:32] you look at the history, [00:26:33] >> can I just ask you to pause? I hope that [00:26:35] people watching this, if they didn't [00:26:36] fully understand what you just said, [00:26:38] will rewind it and listen to that again. [00:26:40] That's the That's the best explanation [00:26:41] I've ever heard for what's gone wrong. [00:26:44] What you just said right there. [00:26:46] >> One starts with presuppositions [00:26:50] and then that's how you interpret the [00:26:52] world. Your interpretive framework [00:26:56] begins with your presuppositions and [00:26:59] that's how you actually view the world. [00:27:01] Now I come out my formal training was in [00:27:03] philosophy and this was I mean I I won't [00:27:07] bore the audience with rehashing [00:27:09] academic philosophical debate but there [00:27:12] was a very very big debate in the 18th [00:27:16] century between what philosophers called [00:27:20] empiricism the foremost representative [00:27:23] of this was David Hume and then [00:27:26] rationalism the foremost representative [00:27:29] being um Deart Renee Deart. So Emanuel [00:27:33] Kant, this sort of [00:27:36] unusually scholarly guy living in [00:27:39] Kunigburg, Germany, which back then was [00:27:41] part of Prussia. It was actually a Hanza [00:27:44] city, a free city and in the Hanziotic [00:27:47] League. Very, very thoughtful, [00:27:49] contemplative guy. I mean, apparently [00:27:51] that's kind of all he did was [00:27:53] contemplate. and [snorts] he came to the [00:27:55] conclusion which he presented in a book [00:27:59] called the critique of pure reason that [00:28:01] in fact it's not it's a combination of [00:28:04] both in order to interpret the world to [00:28:08] make any sense of it at all. It's true [00:28:10] that we have sensory data coming in and [00:28:13] you can pay attention to it and observe [00:28:15] patterns but you can't really interpret [00:28:17] it unless you have certain categories [00:28:20] that are already in your mind. [00:28:22] >> Exactly. This was [snorts] our breakfast [00:28:24] conversation this morning and it, you [00:28:26] know, it has such effects on the way we [00:28:27] live and understand things. It it it [00:28:29] does. And and so, you know, we live in a [00:28:32] in a world now in which um I think an [00:28:35] increasing number of Americans of of our [00:28:40] citizenry, those who are are awake and [00:28:42] have some sense that [00:28:45] paying attention, [00:28:47] if they're paying attention, if they [00:28:50] have been paying attention for the last [00:28:51] few years, and COVID 19 is an [00:28:54] interesting story because I think what [00:28:56] happened with CO 19 [00:29:00] much of the fraud that was presented to [00:29:02] us was so extreme and so crass that it [00:29:05] prompted it sort of Kant talked about [00:29:08] reading David Hume he said it it [00:29:10] awakened me from my dogmatic slumber and [00:29:14] and and I like that phrase it's like [00:29:16] people began to think [00:29:19] our government is acting so weird and [00:29:22] people with any familiarity for example [00:29:25] with immunology [00:29:27] um I Hope I'm can say something slightly [00:29:29] vulgar. Um, they're thinking this is [00:29:32] such [00:29:33] colossal [ __ ] that like what is the [00:29:37] government doing? What what is this [00:29:39] weird priesthood of vaccinologists [00:29:42] telling us? It's just it just can't be [00:29:44] true. So, I think that awakened a lot of [00:29:48] people from their dogmatic slumber about [00:29:51] our institutions. [00:29:53] And now we're in this weird moment where [00:29:57] a lot of American people have started to [00:30:00] view the US government in a way that a a [00:30:06] wife with a philandering husband might [00:30:08] start to view his representations. Like [00:30:12] she's caught him 10 times running around [00:30:15] on her. [00:30:17] He swears up and down that he's seen the [00:30:19] light, that he he tells the truth, that, [00:30:22] you know, he's sworn off the girls. [00:30:25] But at that point, even if he has sworn [00:30:29] off the girls, the trust has been [00:30:31] totally demolished. [00:30:33] [snorts] [00:30:33] >> So, we're in a weird, very unhappy [00:30:35] moment right now. [00:30:38] >> In which, [00:30:38] >> well put in which [00:30:40] >> weird and unhappy. That's exactly right. [00:30:41] in which we just don't believe [00:30:46] anything that our institutions [00:30:49] tell us. And and I don't rejoice at [00:30:51] that. I don't see how this republic [00:30:54] is going to survive [00:30:57] if we don't have some faith in our [00:31:00] institutions. [00:31:01] >> I agree completely. [00:31:02] >> But the question is how can it be won [00:31:04] back? Anyway, that's that that's another [00:31:06] question. Um so [00:31:10] um vaccines like other things that we've [00:31:14] seen in medical history um are now an [00:31:17] object of orthodoxy. [00:31:20] And you go to medical school, [00:31:23] you read your textbooks, you attend your [00:31:25] lectures and you are told this is the [00:31:29] reality of this product of this [00:31:32] technology [00:31:34] and that's it. It's axiomatic. [00:31:38] There's no questioning it. There's no [00:31:40] examining it. There's no critically [00:31:42] evaluating it. There's no even going [00:31:44] back just to ask, well, is it optimized? [00:31:47] I mean, so a car manufacturer [00:31:50] could say, well, it's axiomatic that a [00:31:54] car has to have functioning brakes. And [00:31:56] you say, well, are they optimized brakes [00:31:59] or the materials? Is is the the [00:32:01] calipers? is all of that the best brakes [00:32:04] that we could put on a car to make sure [00:32:06] that [00:32:08] a good reaction time, the driver's not [00:32:10] drunk. If he hits the brakes, the car is [00:32:12] going to stop. [00:32:15] Are they the best brakes? 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You will [00:33:51] not regret it. Get 3 months for free at [00:33:54] hallow.com/talker. Experience greater [00:33:56] peace and stillness this Christmas. So, [00:34:00] this is a very notable moment in this [00:34:02] story that I I found rather stunning. [00:34:04] So, that 1986 vaccine injury act [00:34:09] was questioned in court. The case was [00:34:11] Bruowitz versus Wyth. There was a girl [00:34:15] who was badly injured. [00:34:18] I believe it was a pertasus vaccine, [00:34:21] developed encphilitis, [00:34:24] severe brain damage, basically destroyed [00:34:26] the child for the rest of her life. [00:34:29] [gasps] [00:34:30] So the parent Sue um Wyth, which um had [00:34:34] in the interim um been acquired by [00:34:39] I'm not going to say who they'd been [00:34:40] acquired by. I don't want to to risk um [00:34:42] you know saying the wrong but but Wyth [00:34:45] had been acquired by one of the major [00:34:47] pharmaceutical companies. [00:34:49] The case was bruisith versus Wyth and [00:34:51] and the question was and it went to the [00:34:53] Supreme Court is the liability [00:34:56] protection provided by the 1986 vaccine [00:34:59] injury act childhood vaccine injury act [00:35:03] is that constitutional [00:35:05] so the court ruled in favor of Wyth and [00:35:09] Mr. and Mrs. bruised with were told you [00:35:11] know sorry um uh there's nothing that [00:35:14] can be done the act is upheld but there [00:35:19] was a dissenting justice [00:35:21] it was uh justice soayor and she wrote a [00:35:26] dissenting opinion and it's an [00:35:28] excellently reasoned dissenting opinion [00:35:30] it shows how far the liberal mind has [00:35:33] come since 2010 she writes the most [00:35:37] reasonable sensible descent presenting [00:35:40] view of vaccines. And what she says is [00:35:43] liability, [00:35:44] product liability, being subject to tort [00:35:48] litigation [00:35:49] is the primary incentive for optimizing [00:35:53] the safety and the efficacy of the [00:35:56] product. If you just tell somebody, oh, [00:35:59] looks great, you know, it's been around [00:36:01] for 30 years. Cool. Everyone has to get [00:36:04] it. Zero liability. What is the human [00:36:07] nature being what it is? What's the [00:36:10] incentive to improve it? [00:36:12] >> Well, there is any [00:36:13] >> none. I mean, what are are we to expect [00:36:18] the CEO of Fizer, which has very long [00:36:22] civil and criminal wrap sheet for fraud, [00:36:26] for [snorts] um concealing bad safety [00:36:30] data, for overstating efficacy? Are are [00:36:33] we to believe that suddenly the [00:36:36] corporate board of Fizer is going to [00:36:39] develop such a strong conscientious [00:36:42] approach to business that they're just [00:36:44] going to say well we don't have any [00:36:46] liability but I think we ought to just [00:36:48] get busy optimizing it anyway that [00:36:51] [laughter] [00:36:52] it it's it's not a it's it's not a [00:36:54] realistic [00:36:55] >> No it's not [snorts] it's not people [00:36:57] respond to the systems in which they [00:36:58] live and work. So, um, I'm not even [00:37:01] blaming Fizer, though. You know, [00:37:02] obviously I'm opposed to Fiser on every [00:37:04] level, but [00:37:05] >> it's not Fiser's fault that that's the [00:37:08] law passed by Congress. [00:37:10] >> Right. Yeah. [00:37:11] >> Right. So, I mean, this is our story. [00:37:14] Um, we started off um a first phase of [00:37:19] this was something that hit Dr. McCulla [00:37:24] so hard. And there's an interesting [00:37:27] coincidence here. I had heard about him. [00:37:30] I had heard about his Senate testimony [00:37:33] on November the 19th, 2020. A very good [00:37:36] man, um, Senator Ron Johnson, organized [00:37:40] Senate testimony, a Senate hearing [00:37:44] to discuss the question of early [00:37:46] treatment. Is there anything with a good [00:37:49] safety profile that could possibly help [00:37:53] to keep people from falling badly ill, [00:37:56] going to hospital and possibly dying in [00:37:58] hospital? Is there that's what doctors [00:38:00] do. Is there anything that we could do [00:38:02] to help? Now, the first principle is [00:38:05] safety. But what these guys were looking [00:38:08] at were FDA approved drugs with some of [00:38:11] the best safety profiles, you know, in [00:38:14] the business. hydroxychloricquin. It was [00:38:17] FDA approved in 1956. [00:38:21] There's a wide uh uh range of [00:38:24] indications for it. The most common one [00:38:27] in the states for for decades was [00:38:29] rheumatoid arthritis. [00:38:31] [snorts] [00:38:32] People had taken hydroxychloricquin [00:38:34] against rheumatoid arthritis for a [00:38:37] decade and suddenly we're told that it's [00:38:39] dangerous. So it was actually the eye [00:38:42] doctors, the retina doctors that first [00:38:45] recognized that's not true because one [00:38:48] of the things that retina doctors have [00:38:50] to look out for is if someone has been [00:38:52] taking hydroxychloricquin [00:38:55] every day for over a decade [snorts] [00:39:01] for treating rheumatoid arthritis. [00:39:03] Sometimes retinal doctors will see a a a [00:39:08] toxicity that starts to affect the [00:39:10] retina. Okay. Every day for over 10 [00:39:14] years, [00:39:16] we're talking a fiveday course of [00:39:19] hydroxy. [00:39:21] So, so this is again it's this is [00:39:24] absurd. And and one of the things that I [00:39:26] think you've talked about, you've [00:39:29] touched on in your other programs is a [00:39:32] tyrant will often and and where tyranny [00:39:36] comes from in the human mind and and and [00:39:39] how it develops and takes over [00:39:41] institutions is a a subject we could [00:39:44] discuss. But one of the things the [00:39:46] tyrant does is insists on total [00:39:50] absurdities. [00:39:52] And what happens to the people [00:39:56] is they either accept [00:39:59] that it's patently ridiculous [00:40:02] or they become so demoralized that the [00:40:06] government is making this assertion that [00:40:08] they just give up. It's like, [00:40:11] okay, um, you know, I I guess I'm just [00:40:15] going to have to tune all of this out [00:40:18] and, [00:40:19] you know, go surfing in Mexico or [00:40:21] something. Like, just forget it. It's [00:40:24] And I think that that's actually [00:40:26] intentional. So, I don't really like [00:40:28] partisan politics, but remember that [00:40:30] this is happening during the Biden [00:40:33] administration when the first vaccine [00:40:35] mandates get underway. So you [snorts] [00:40:38] look at the Biden administration [00:40:40] and starting with the president himself, [00:40:44] I mean, we're told that he's sharp as [00:40:46] attack. So either you come to accept [00:40:50] that and you think, well, you know, I I [00:40:53] guess he's, you know, he's he's sharp as [00:40:56] attack, I guess. I mean, that's what [00:40:58] we're being told. or you're so [00:41:00] demoralized by that monstrous [00:41:03] um absurdity that you just say, "I guess [00:41:07] we're done. I mean, I guess the Republic [00:41:10] is finished." That there are people [00:41:12] apparently behind the scenes pulling the [00:41:14] strings, the marionets that run the [00:41:16] show. I don't know who the hell they [00:41:18] are. I don't need to run a foul of them. [00:41:21] So, I'm done. I'm I'm checking out. And [00:41:24] I I think this vaccine [00:41:27] ideology and religion that has been [00:41:30] erected, it's a species of this just [00:41:33] demoralizing anybody that asks [00:41:35] questions. We're going to eliminate the [00:41:38] inquisitive mind from the public. [00:41:41] >> And it's also I agree with everything [00:41:42] you're saying and I think it's profound. [00:41:45] It's not just on display during COVID. [00:41:47] It's just like a feature of tyranny [00:41:48] always and everywhere. It's the basis of [00:41:50] the novel 1984. But I think it's also [00:41:53] worth saying that when you participate [00:41:55] in these humiliation rituals and when [00:41:58] you go along with it, you change. [00:42:00] There's something about you that dies [00:42:03] >> for sure. [00:42:04] >> You are diminished. And you know, you [00:42:06] hope it's not permanent, but it seems to [00:42:08] be. But whatever, permanent or not, it's [00:42:10] absolutely real. And people who went [00:42:12] along with that are different people. [00:42:15] >> Well, this takes us to the big theme. So [00:42:18] I I did I did want to quickly mention [00:42:21] Jookovic just to give you an even more [00:42:25] luminous illustration of this. So he [00:42:29] gets through CO, it's PCR confirmed, [00:42:32] he's fine. The Australian authorities [00:42:35] give him the green light. They say you [00:42:37] can get on a plane and fly across the [00:42:41] Pacific [00:42:42] to Sydney to participate in the 2022 [00:42:47] uh Australian Open. [00:42:50] Okay. Well, you know, you've flown to [00:42:52] Australia. I mean, it's kind of it's not [00:42:54] exactly the most pleasant experience [00:42:56] even if you're in first class. [00:42:58] >> It's very long. It's it's so long and [00:43:01] you're going through all of these time [00:43:03] zones and your internal clock is turned [00:43:05] on its head and um I mean it's kind of a [00:43:07] rough voyage. It's not what Captain Cook [00:43:10] went through but [00:43:11] >> it's you know it it kind of sucks. Um so [00:43:15] just consider the psychology of this. [00:43:19] You're professional tennis player. [00:43:21] You've been given the green light [00:43:22] because you're co recovered. who can [00:43:24] compete. And you had to go through a [00:43:26] bunch of hurly burly in order to get to [00:43:29] that point. You get on the plane, you [00:43:32] relax, you take a deep breath, you start [00:43:34] thinking about your game, like what are [00:43:35] you going to do when you get to Sydney? [00:43:37] You know, who are you competing against? [00:43:40] And this is what's running through your [00:43:42] mind. You you then arrive in Sydney. You [00:43:45] get off to clear passport control and [00:43:47] customs and you're pulled aside and they [00:43:50] say, "You know something? [00:43:52] Um, [00:43:53] we've decided to resend that special [00:43:56] dispensation to you. You're going to [00:43:58] have [00:43:58] >> upon landing, he hears [00:43:59] >> upon landing, you're going to have to go [00:44:02] into quarantine. [00:44:05] >> So, I don't see any way of [00:44:07] characterizing this apart from sadism. [00:44:10] That was a sadistic action. That was [00:44:13] turning the screws on him. And [snorts] [00:44:17] then one of these people that [00:44:20] participates in this, I remember one of [00:44:22] the the most revolted I I've ever felt [00:44:28] was this BBC reporter [00:44:32] in the most condescending, [00:44:36] smarmy, [00:44:38] repugnant way, then does a struggle [00:44:41] session interview with Chookovich. [00:44:46] Um, [00:44:47] are you really going to stake your [00:44:51] entire career? You could be the greatest [00:44:54] ever. You could be the goat, Jookovich. [00:44:57] Are you really prepared to set all of [00:45:00] that aside just so you don't have to [00:45:04] receive the vaccine? [00:45:06] >> Bow down before me and all of this will [00:45:08] be yours. [00:45:09] >> It's true. Well, there you go. All [00:45:10] right. So, you're seeing where this is [00:45:12] headed. [00:45:13] >> Yes, I saw it then. bow down before me [00:45:16] and all of this will be yours. This is [00:45:18] totally the oldest [00:45:20] >> offer there is. [00:45:21] >> So, [00:45:23] you know, I grew up in the Episcopal [00:45:25] church. I didn't really take religion [00:45:28] seriously. I mean, [00:45:29] >> it's not a serious religion. I grew up [00:45:31] in it, too. I know. [00:45:32] >> I started getting interested in kind of [00:45:35] as a scholarly, you know, the the the [00:45:39] helenic Greek in which the Bible's [00:45:41] written. kind of came at it more of from [00:45:43] a philosophical [00:45:46] um approach and um the the deeply [00:45:50] religious concepts um were something I [00:45:53] hadn't spent a lot of time with. Um this [00:45:57] contrasted me with Dr. McCulla. He's [00:45:59] very religious person. And we're having [00:46:03] dinner one night [00:46:06] at his house and he says, "John, [00:46:10] how do you explain this?" [00:46:13] He said, "I I don't think [00:46:16] I mean all these guys like money. [00:46:18] Everybody likes money's fun, whatever, [00:46:21] but I don't think money is sufficient to [00:46:25] explain this." [00:46:26] >> I agree completely. there. He said there [00:46:28] must [00:46:30] there must be something else. [laughter] [00:46:33] >> Totally. That this is the fabled red [00:46:35] pill when you realize it's not really [00:46:37] about bribery. [00:46:39] [laughter] [00:46:40] >> I mean, that is heavy. [00:46:41] >> Well, let's put it this way. Um, if you [00:46:44] trickle down the the pyramid, I think a [00:46:47] lot of your infantry, [00:46:50] they're like, "Oh, money, you know, [00:46:51] >> pay off the guards. Yeah, it's fine. [00:46:52] Yeah, [00:46:52] >> I could use that." you know, um, but you [00:46:55] start getting to the top to, you know, [00:46:57] to the inner [clears throat] [00:46:59] kind of precidium of this thing. [00:47:01] >> Are they bribing Bill Gates? [00:47:05] >> Right. [00:47:06] >> Right. Exactly. [00:47:07] >> So, um, but what is it? [00:47:10] >> Like, like what like what are we bumping [00:47:13] up against? [00:47:14] >> Exactly. [00:47:15] >> And we can't quite see it. I mean, I [00:47:17] remember [00:47:17] >> I've been obsessed with this for 5 [00:47:19] years. all this other stuff is just [00:47:20] these are just symptoms of something [00:47:23] very deep. [snorts] [00:47:24] >> It's it's true. So um um I um my first [00:47:29] interview with Peter McAlla, [00:47:32] buddy of mine has a studio down not not [00:47:36] too far from the hospital where he was [00:47:39] at the time vice president of of in uh [00:47:42] of internal medicine. Now he was on the [00:47:44] way out like they were about to scoot [00:47:46] him out. No, actually he'd already lost [00:47:49] his job as vice president of internal [00:47:50] medicine at Baylor University. He then [00:47:53] got a job at what was called Heart [00:47:55] Place, which was happened to be on the [00:47:58] Baylor campus, but a different [00:47:59] institution. He was about to lose his [00:48:01] job at Heart Place, but at the moment he [00:48:04] was still there as a cardiologist. And [00:48:07] he came down to this little studio that [00:48:10] belongs to a friend of mine and we shot [00:48:13] this beautiful interview. the lighting, [00:48:15] the camera, the audio. I mean, it was [00:48:17] just absolute pro. And I removed myself [00:48:21] from the interview. It's just like this [00:48:22] Kiaro Skiurro lighting on on Dr. [00:48:25] Makulla. He's wearing a beautifully [00:48:27] tailored suit and he's just on it. I [00:48:30] mean, every question, cites all of the [00:48:32] peer-reviewed literature. um you know is [00:48:36] totally circumspect in everything every [00:48:39] remark every no speculation [00:48:43] just the facts supported by the evidence [00:48:46] cited. [00:48:48] I put it on my YouTube channel and the [00:48:52] studio the guy that ran the studio he [00:48:55] had some friends in the independent [00:48:56] media that helped to kind of get this [00:48:59] thing going. I mean, he he distributed [00:49:01] the tape to the guys at the Blaze, the [00:49:04] guys at um uh I can't remember, a bunch [00:49:07] of independent media um [00:49:10] podcasters [snorts] [00:49:11] and networks and stuff. So, this thing [00:49:13] starts to go viral and I'm thinking, [00:49:17] well, this is great. I mean, he spoke [00:49:18] very [00:49:20] cautiously and he spoke very well. And [00:49:25] about 4 hours later, [00:49:28] YouTube takes it down with no [00:49:30] explanation. [00:49:32] So [00:49:34] I called Dr. McCulla and I said, "We've [00:49:36] just bumped into something that is [00:49:40] really big and it's really dark. It's [00:49:43] like a black hole." Like you, you know [00:49:46] how you see a black hole in space? It's [00:49:48] actually light is bending into it. You [00:49:51] can't see it through an optical [00:49:53] telescope, but what you can see is that [00:49:55] the gravitation of of the black hole is [00:49:58] so strong that it's actually warping [00:50:00] time space so that light is bending into [00:50:03] it. I said it's like we've just bumped [00:50:05] into a black hole. We can't see it, but [00:50:09] we know it's there. What the hell is it? [00:50:12] And so this is actually what began the [00:50:14] discussion. And ultimately, I don't see [00:50:18] any other conclusion that's plausible. [00:50:21] And I'm not saying this is the [00:50:22] conclusion. I I I try and stay within [00:50:25] the realm of physics and and empirical [00:50:28] observation. [00:50:31] So, I'll ask you, how else could you [00:50:33] explain it other than what you just said [00:50:36] a moment ago? This appears to be [00:50:38] >> No, you go from physics to metaphysics [00:50:40] the more you think about it. [00:50:41] >> That's it. So that's [00:50:44] that's what I told Peter. I said, 'I [00:50:46] think we're going to have to leave the [00:50:48] realm of physics [00:50:50] and enter the realm of metaphysics, even [00:50:53] though it's something I I'm not [00:50:55] comfortable doing. [00:50:56] >> Exactly how I think if you grew up [00:50:58] Episcopalian, like the one thing you [00:50:59] don't want to talk about is uh you know, [00:51:03] the supernatural. You just don't. It's [00:51:05] true. It's deemphasized. It's [00:51:06] embarrassing. [00:51:07] >> There's a kind of social stigma to it. [00:51:10] Were you handling snakes in your trailer [00:51:11] park? I mean, there's just a whole suite [00:51:14] of uh disincentives to even think about [00:51:17] stuff like that. It's kind of [00:51:18] interesting, but I I [snorts] feel I [00:51:20] feel you on this. Yes. [00:51:21] >> Well, so I grew up in the Bible belt. I [00:51:23] grew up in Dallas, Texas, and um this [00:51:26] was the era in the 80s of a guy named [00:51:28] Robert Tilden. He was this completely [00:51:31] bizarre charlatan who would speak in [00:51:34] tongues. and and it would always end [00:51:36] every um uh episode by saying, "And by [00:51:40] the way, [00:51:42] if you send me a check [00:51:46] and close a prayer with it, I'll see to [00:51:48] it that your prayer is answered." Now, [00:51:54] the bigger the check, um you know, I'm [00:51:57] not saying that, you know, my [00:51:58] intercession is necessarily going to be [00:52:01] affected by the sum, but you know, it [00:52:03] might well be. So this is the era in [00:52:06] which in which I just complete [00:52:08] >> true corruption. Just total charlatans, [00:52:11] false prophets, wolves and sheep's [00:52:13] clothing. Um guys [snorts] who [00:52:16] themselves weren't in control of their, [00:52:18] you know, personal lives kind of masking [00:52:20] all of this, hiding it from themselves [00:52:23] with um this embrace of religiosity. So, [00:52:27] and I remember my mother who grew up in [00:52:29] the Episcopal church just saying, "This [00:52:32] is just the way these guys wear their [00:52:35] religion on their sleeves. It's it's [00:52:37] it's just so unsemly." And so, this is [00:52:40] what I grew up in. [00:52:41] >> Well, I I I know precisely what you're [00:52:44] talking about. Yeah. [00:52:45] >> So, [00:52:46] >> not our kind of people. [00:52:47] >> No. So, I thought, "All right, you know, [00:52:51] kind of kicking and screaming. Well, [00:52:52] let's enter the realm of metaphysics." [00:52:54] So what I did was when I was in graduate [00:52:57] school, I just because he was canonical, [00:53:00] I I read the novels of of DStoyvki. [00:53:05] [laughter] [00:53:08] >> Yes. [00:53:08] >> So I was like, I'm going to have to go [00:53:10] back. [00:53:10] >> You read The Grand Inquisitor in the [00:53:12] middle of the brothers. [00:53:13] >> All right. So there it is. [00:53:14] >> Yeah. You read that and you're like, [00:53:16] first of all, this is a truly deep [00:53:19] culture. This is not a gas station with [00:53:21] nuclear weapons. No. I mean this is like [00:53:24] wow. [00:53:24] >> No and remember remember he himself had [00:53:28] done 10 years a hard time. [00:53:30] >> Yeah. He faced a false execution. [00:53:32] >> Right. Yeah. Right. I remember reviewing [00:53:35] that and thinking God that's hard. It's [00:53:38] like eight months of solitary then talk [00:53:43] about sadism. Like talk about Jookovic [00:53:46] is, you know, flying first class to [00:53:47] Sydney and then he's arrives and it's [00:53:49] like, okay, we have something in store [00:53:51] for you. [clears throat] [00:53:53] >> It's like you're going to face death and [00:53:55] then it's called off at the last second. [00:53:57] This is just terror. [00:53:59] >> Oh, after, you know, marching all the [00:54:01] way from Siberia to Moscow takes like [00:54:04] two months and then you get there and [00:54:05] like we're going to execute you and then [00:54:06] Oh, just kidding. No, it's heavy. And [00:54:08] then um and then you know the you know [00:54:11] we were talking earlier like the the the [00:54:15] just the the misery of being separated [00:54:18] from from women for months on. He's then [00:54:20] sent to six years of military service in [00:54:24] some provincial town and site. It's like [00:54:28] we're just not going to end the [00:54:30] punishment for attending some liberal, [00:54:32] you know, [00:54:34] uh, you know, group of guys talking [00:54:36] about the latest ideas out of Germany. [00:54:38] Like, we are going to make you really [00:54:40] suffer for this. So, it's not that it's [00:54:43] not that Doski hadn't experienced this [00:54:46] on his person. [laughter] like [00:54:48] >> he had [00:54:49] >> he knows what he's talking about. Okay. [00:54:51] So, the Grand Inquisitor. So, for those [00:54:54] of your audience that are un this is [00:54:56] what I was going to talk you're a step [00:54:58] ahead of me. So, [snorts] [00:55:00] >> Aloy the youngest boy of the brothers [00:55:04] Karamazov. [00:55:05] >> This is a scene within the novel. [00:55:06] >> Right. Right. [snorts] So he's talking [00:55:08] with his brother Ivan who is the sort of [00:55:11] rational imperialist [00:55:13] empiricist [00:55:15] who is reading all these ideas out of [00:55:17] France and Germany. I mean I think it's [00:55:20] probably around the year 1860. [00:55:22] >> Exactly. [00:55:22] >> So [00:55:25] Ivan says I have a story for you and um [00:55:30] I think it's kind of charming. I think [00:55:31] it's kind of original. It has a certain [00:55:33] [snorts] flare and it's almost in a [00:55:34] playful way. He says, "So, second coming [00:55:38] of Christ, he drops down into Sevilla, [00:55:41] Spain, in the midst of the Inquisition, [00:55:44] the dark days of the Inquisition. [00:55:47] He's walking down the street around the [00:55:49] old Sevilla Cathedral. [00:55:51] He's sort of blessing people and [00:55:54] groups are gathering around him and oh [00:55:56] my goodness, you know, it he's returned [00:56:00] in [snorts] Sevilla, Spain during the [00:56:01] Inquisition of all places. [00:56:05] Suddenly, the Grand Inquisitor himself [00:56:07] is drawn out of his office, goes down to [00:56:11] the square in front of the cathedral and [00:56:14] says, "Arest that man. [00:56:17] Arrest him. Arrest him. He's an [00:56:20] impostor." [00:56:22] So, this is where [00:56:24] it has such literary power. So the [00:56:28] inquisitor puts Jesus in jail and he [00:56:33] comes into the cell and he looks at him [00:56:35] and he says, "Is it really you?" [00:56:39] And Jesus sort of looks at him and I [00:56:43] think he just simply answers yes or or [00:56:45] nods. He says, "It really is you." [00:56:51] This is this is just remarkable. [00:56:55] He says, "But I always kind of thought [00:56:57] this might happen and so I have a [00:57:00] message for you. [laughter] [00:57:03] I cannot allow you to come walking [00:57:07] around on earth like talking to people." [00:57:10] He said, "It's it's not [00:57:12] >> it's not something that we the church or [00:57:16] the the rulers of the church [00:57:19] can allow." And he says, and I'm going [00:57:22] to be fair and I'm going to tell you [00:57:24] why. [00:57:25] He says, ' Do you remember back when you [00:57:28] were presented with these temptations by [00:57:31] the opposer? [00:57:33] >> Do you remember? Yeah. He says, "You [00:57:36] see, what he offered to you was the [00:57:40] ability to assume responsibility [00:57:44] for all of these people to make [00:57:48] rocks into bread and water into wine." [00:57:51] And you all you had to do was just make [00:57:55] the deal. And you could have then [00:57:58] assumed all worldly power in order to [00:58:02] just take care of these fools, [00:58:05] these humans with all of their flaws and [00:58:09] their ignorance and their limitations. [00:58:11] You could have just taken care of them, [00:58:14] but instead you chose to ask of them to [00:58:18] maintain their responsibility and their [00:58:20] free will. [00:58:23] This was an absurd decision that you [00:58:26] made. Humanity, [snorts] [00:58:29] humanity is not capable of assuming this [00:58:33] burden. You asked too much. So what we [00:58:36] are going to do is we are going to do [00:58:40] the deal that you should have taken. [00:58:43] We're going to take care of them. We're [00:58:45] going to make sure that they're provided [00:58:47] for. And in return, they shall give us [00:58:50] their obedience because it's obedience [00:58:55] that we need in order to run this ship [00:58:58] properly. [00:58:59] So that's why I'm arresting you and [00:59:02] that's why you're not going to see the [00:59:04] light of day under my watch. [00:59:08] So [00:59:10] it's a great scene. [00:59:12] What do you have to say to that? So in [00:59:15] the scene, the Grand Inquisitor, Jesus [00:59:18] stands up. [00:59:20] He walks up to the Inquisitor and he [00:59:24] kisses him. [00:59:26] And it's like it's such a cool scene [00:59:29] because this is an old, vain, [00:59:32] cynical guy. He's he's just so [00:59:35] accustomed to everything going his way. [00:59:37] He doesn't believe in anything anymore. [00:59:40] But that kind of melts his heart a [00:59:42] little bit. [00:59:44] And so he leaves he then the the [00:59:47] inquisitor then leaves the cell and [00:59:49] leaves it open. [00:59:51] So anyway, Ivan says, you know, what do [00:59:53] you think of my little story? [00:59:56] And Aloisha [00:59:58] then says, "It's kind of interesting. [01:00:02] Let me think about it for a moment. I'm [01:00:04] happy to see you, brother. I think I [01:00:06] have to go." And then Aloy gives Ivan a [01:00:09] kiss and Ivan says [01:00:13] that's plagiarism. [laughter] [01:00:17] Anyway, I I I love the scene, but but [01:00:19] why am I getting kind of a model in [01:00:21] telling this? Um there's a reason. I [01:00:24] think this is a very plausible [01:00:27] explanation. Those who rule this world, [01:00:32] there seems to be a perception. There [01:00:34] are certain things that are [01:00:36] non-negotiable [01:00:38] that we just won't accept [01:00:41] any resistance. And one of those [01:00:45] non-negotiable things is apparently [01:00:48] vaccines. Everybody has to get them. No [01:00:52] one can question them. He who questions [01:00:55] them will be relentlessly persecuted [01:00:57] like a heretic. [01:01:00] Is there you've made the case for that. [01:01:03] I believe every word that you have said [01:01:05] I think the last 5 years stands as [01:01:07] testimony to the truth of what you said. [01:01:11] But we still are eliding [01:01:13] the qu the core question which is is [01:01:15] there something about vaccines [01:01:19] [snorts] that makes them you know really [01:01:21] important the most important thing to [01:01:23] the people who run the world what [01:01:25] because it is the world it's not it's [01:01:27] the world it's the whole [01:01:27] >> it's the whole world [01:01:29] >> right so what and this whatever this [01:01:31] thing is about vaccines [01:01:33] has been noted for close to a hundred [01:01:37] years I mean Diego Rivera painted that [01:01:41] mural and what's interesting about it is [01:01:42] a funny picture. I agree. And Dave [01:01:44] Rivera had very little talent. Um, [01:01:46] >> by the way, I think the Christ child is [01:01:48] a self-portrait. [01:01:49] >> I'm I'm sure that it is. And he's a [01:01:51] ludicrous figure and, you know, [01:01:53] [clears throat] [01:01:54] got more claim than he deserves. But he [01:01:56] was, if nothing else, [01:01:58] >> sort of an indicator of what the people [01:02:00] in charge thought. He was their sort of [01:02:02] pet muralist, right? So they understood [01:02:05] [snorts] then 90 years ago that vaccines [01:02:08] were at the center of some like what is [01:02:10] it about vaccines? Is it the piercing of [01:02:13] the skin, the the blood? I mean is it a [01:02:16] is it a kind of ritual? I mean well [01:02:18] clearly it is but is there something [01:02:19] inherent about the vaccines? I think [01:02:21] that the the entire edifice [01:02:25] of our [01:02:27] everything that pertains to public [01:02:30] health policy [01:02:32] um which includes the ability to invoke [01:02:35] a public health emergency, [01:02:37] >> right? [01:02:37] >> Um to quarantine people to put them [01:02:41] under house arrest in effect under house [01:02:44] arrest. I mean, I remember I went to [01:02:47] this march in in Washington DC [01:02:50] in January of 2020 opposing the vaccine [01:02:54] mandates and I wasn't allowed to enter a [01:02:57] restaurant in DC. I couldn't stay in a [01:03:00] hotel in DC. [01:03:02] Um, I had to stay in Virginia. Um, so [01:03:07] it's a way I think this is just one way [01:03:10] of looking at it. if you refuse to get [01:03:13] injected. I mean, it's kind of the [01:03:15] ultimate. [01:03:16] I mean, people could say, well, if you [01:03:19] come to work, you have to wear a uniform [01:03:21] or I mean, there are these different [01:03:22] sort of restrictions on personal freedom [01:03:25] and personal space that we sort of [01:03:27] accept is just sort of part of [01:03:30] a reasonable set of expectations to [01:03:33] participate in institutional life. But [01:03:36] getting injected and you don't know [01:03:39] what's in the injection, you don't [01:03:41] really know anything about it. I mean, [01:03:44] when you go to get your vaccine or your [01:03:46] child vaccinated, the the package insert [01:03:49] isn't presented to you. There is no [01:03:51] informed consent. I mean, it's just the [01:03:54] pediatrician says you got to get this [01:03:56] for your kid to attend school. So, here [01:03:58] we go. [01:04:00] you've you've you know free will [01:04:03] contemplation of the reality of it's [01:04:06] just not even in it. You just agree. So [01:04:09] I think it's the ultimate form of [01:04:12] obedience. I mean what what could be I [01:04:16] mean well consider that if there's a [01:04:18] vaccine mandate we can lock you up. We [01:04:21] can we can shuffle you off to some [01:04:24] shitty hotel in in Sydney for 2 weeks. [01:04:28] we could prevent you from playing in the [01:04:30] tournament. [01:04:31] So it's the ultimate [01:04:34] the ultimate method of control. So it's [01:04:38] not I guess so you're answering the [01:04:39] question I think by saying it it almost [01:04:41] doesn't matter what's in the vaccines or [01:04:43] not. It's not inherent to the to the [01:04:46] chemical formulation of the product. [01:04:49] It's not that mRNA technology whatever [01:04:51] its effects are. That wasn't necessarily [01:04:52] the point. It was the ritual of forcing [01:04:54] people to do something against their [01:04:57] will without their consent and once [01:05:00] you've done that you are in control. It [01:05:04] is a it's a rape basically [01:05:06] >> are or a kind of inverted communion. You [01:05:11] have to take the communion or you can't [01:05:15] be a part of this congregation. [01:05:17] >> Well and communion itself I'll say this [01:05:19] as a believing Christian is not I mean [01:05:22] right. So we you Jesus said this is my [01:05:24] body and blood shed for you forgiveness [01:05:25] of sins take this in the remembrance of [01:05:28] me. The human mind cannot understand [01:05:30] what that means but we accept it. [01:05:33] >> We accept it [01:05:34] >> right and I think the Catholics call [01:05:35] that a holy mystery maybe or something [01:05:38] to that effect. Meaning that it the fact [01:05:41] that you don't understand it is part of [01:05:42] the point or acknowledging that you [01:05:44] can't understand it is part of the point [01:05:46] and that there in lies its power. Right? [01:05:50] It has immense symbolic power and I I [01:05:53] think that [01:05:56] you participate in communion and there [01:05:59] is a mystery you know there's debates in [01:06:02] theological sus is transubstantiation or [01:06:06] just symbolic or [01:06:09] the thing about a vaccine is um it's [01:06:12] injected into your deltoid muscle and [01:06:15] you don't know what it is. Now what was [01:06:17] particularly so it's it's the ultimate [01:06:20] in terms of your your physical body [01:06:22] never mind the symbolic value of this [01:06:26] it's meaning and I think meaning is [01:06:28] perhaps the the ultimate thing that [01:06:30] we're seeking in this life but this is a [01:06:33] direct [01:06:35] injection into your physical body and or [01:06:39] that of a very small developing child. [01:06:42] So [01:06:43] what was really spooky about the co 19 [01:06:46] vaccine and and remember there were [01:06:48] different iterations of this there were [01:06:50] attenuated um vaccines there were [01:06:52] inactivated vaccines that's to say SARS [01:06:55] KV2 cultured and then attenuated or [01:06:59] inactivated but the what these guys [01:07:01] really really were interested in [01:07:05] was this gene this genetic product [01:07:08] messenger RNA and I think this is really [01:07:12] important [01:07:13] and we go into this in our book. [01:07:16] Messenger RNA, the actual molecule was [01:07:20] discovered in the 60s in France. And [01:07:25] there's something very important about [01:07:27] this that I think goes to the absolute [01:07:30] heart of scientists, [01:07:32] the longstanding dream. It's the [01:07:35] [snorts] it's the myth of of Prometheus [01:07:38] or or Lucifer. And I actually think that [01:07:41] Lucifer should be viewed in some ways as [01:07:45] a kind of [01:07:47] he he's a close stepbrother of [01:07:50] Prometheus and in some interpretation. [01:07:53] He's a bringer of light. You know, if it [01:07:55] weren't for Lucifer, [01:07:58] you'd have this dumbass guy and girl [01:08:01] sitting around eating mangoes or [01:08:03] something and they they'd never awaken [01:08:05] to the reality of the world. They would [01:08:08] they would just be stuck kind of I mean [01:08:11] it sounds kind of nice just kind of [01:08:13] perpetually in love walking around the [01:08:16] garden but the idea of Lucifer is no you [01:08:20] have a brain [01:08:22] use it explore discover you know [01:08:26] [laughter] [01:08:28] learn about your limitations maybe you [01:08:30] can even transcend your limit your [01:08:33] limitations so I think that's the idea [01:08:35] of Lucifer the bringer of light now I'm [01:08:37] not saying that Lucifer is a great guy. [01:08:39] I'm saying this is I think part of this [01:08:43] scientific [01:08:45] archetype [01:08:47] um to transcend the limitations of our [01:08:50] mortality. [01:08:53] So um now you ask what about these guys [01:08:57] in Silicon Valley, the masters of the [01:09:00] universe now? I mean the electronic [01:09:03] world that we wouldn't we wouldn't be [01:09:05] having this conversation if it weren't [01:09:07] for the great lords of technology and [01:09:11] PaloAlto or Menllo Park or whatever. So [01:09:15] I think that a lot of those guys [01:09:18] you might say and I don't say this to [01:09:21] criticize them. I I just think it's a [01:09:23] description. [01:09:25] You might say that they're suffering [01:09:27] from Luciferian pride. It's pride that [01:09:32] you know I have discovered the way the [01:09:36] [snorts] universe works. you know, I can [01:09:38] I can take electrons and create a [01:09:42] picture and send the P. It's almost like [01:09:44] magic. and I actually know a [01:09:47] professional electrician and you can ask [01:09:50] him about electricity [01:09:52] and um and you know I'll ask him a [01:09:55] complex question and he'll say well [01:09:59] um [01:10:01] I would characterize that as [01:10:04] that's a FM frequency. I was like um [01:10:09] what do you mean FM? Um like frequenc [01:10:12] frequency modulation. He says, "No, [01:10:15] that's what we call in electricity [01:10:17] [ __ ] magic." [laughter] I mean, there [01:10:21] are certain things about our use of [01:10:23] electricity that it is just it's just [01:10:26] remarkable. So, [01:10:27] >> and but it's opaque even to the people [01:10:29] who know the most about it, right? So, [01:10:31] this was actually and I went and looked [01:10:32] this up because I'm very [01:10:34] >> interested in electricity and what [01:10:36] exactly it is. And there was a huge [01:10:39] debate in the United States um at the [01:10:42] time of electrification, [01:10:44] not like TVA electrification, but but [01:10:46] 19th century, you know, Edison [01:10:49] popularizes the light bulb. All of a [01:10:50] sudden, this amazing, no more oil lamps, [01:10:52] we can stop killing the sperm whales, [01:10:54] all this stuff. It's like great. But [01:10:56] there were people in the United States, [01:10:57] sane people, and a lot of them are [01:10:59] Christian clergy, who were asking [01:11:01] questions, and you can look it up, like [01:11:03] what is this exactly? And of course, [01:11:06] none of them ever got a straightforward [01:11:07] answer. And to this day, no one can [01:11:09] really answer that question. What is [01:11:10] this exactly? Because no one really [01:11:12] knows exactly what it is. I'm not [01:11:14] attacking electricity. I'm just not I'm [01:11:16] just noticing. [01:11:17] And I just find it so interesting that [01:11:19] you can like base your whole [01:11:21] civilization on this thing, [01:11:24] but nobody even like a master [01:11:25] electrician can explain every part of [01:11:27] it. Right. There's So who's in charge? [01:11:30] The reason that's interesting is because [01:11:32] if you don't fully understand something, [01:11:34] are you really its master? [01:11:37] >> Right. [laughter] Right. [01:11:38] >> Right. [01:11:39] >> Right. Right. So, but this idea, yes, we [01:11:44] don't and and I think so I'm going to [01:11:47] come back to messenger RNA. [01:11:50] But what I want to say about the great [01:11:51] lords of tech is um [01:11:55] I recently had the great privilege of [01:11:57] meeting one personally and I really [01:12:00] liked him. He he was a brilliant man, a [01:12:04] stunning intellect. [01:12:06] Um [01:12:08] and I've long admired him. It was a [01:12:10] confidential meeting, but I've I've long [01:12:12] admired him. I've read his biography. I [01:12:15] I think he's a miraculous guy. I mean in [01:12:18] terms of intellect [01:12:19] >> I suspect I know him. Yep. [01:12:21] >> Um but what struck me during our [01:12:24] conversation in which he couldn't be [01:12:26] couldn't have been more gracious and [01:12:27] polite was and it's this is my [01:12:30] subjective [01:12:32] perception and I I was with Dr. McCulla [01:12:34] in the meeting. [01:12:37] There's nothing we could possibly [01:12:40] tell this man that he doesn't already [01:12:44] know. He already knows [01:12:48] everything. It it it doesn't matter h [01:12:53] how much Dr. McCulla has studied and [01:12:55] observed and has worked 16-hour days [01:12:58] examining all this. This very [01:13:02] distinguished, very impressive man, he [01:13:05] already knows it. [01:13:06] >> Okay, now I know who you're talking [01:13:07] about cuz there's only one person I know [01:13:09] like this. Yes, [01:13:10] >> he already knows everything. Um and one [01:13:14] of the things he knows is [snorts] that [01:13:16] vaccines are safe and effective. Yeah. [01:13:20] So um again we're back to these [01:13:23] axiomatic things. It's just [01:13:25] >> and you believed that he sincerely [01:13:27] believed that. [01:13:28] >> I think he did. I mean [01:13:31] I I think he has some interests in [01:13:34] believing that. Um, I mean, it's not [01:13:36] just it's probably not just intellectual [01:13:40] intrigue that has [01:13:42] >> caused him to believe this. [01:13:44] >> Can I say one thing about that? It's [01:13:46] it's not it's it's too simple to say [01:13:48] that when people have conflicts like the [01:13:50] one you're describing, if if in fact [01:13:53] that's a real conflict, it's too simple [01:13:55] to say it's only about the money. There [01:13:58] is a phenomenon that I have lived [01:14:00] personally over decades where if you're [01:14:02] too close to something and you're [01:14:04] benefiting from it and you like it, not [01:14:06] it's not just about money. If you like [01:14:07] it, if you like the world you live in, [01:14:09] which I did, it's very hard, maybe [01:14:12] impossible to see its real character. [01:14:16] [snorts] [01:14:16] >> It's true. You're you're um you're in [01:14:19] it. You're swimming in it. [01:14:21] >> And you know everyone in it and you like [01:14:23] them. [01:14:23] >> Yeah. And it's not just like they're [01:14:25] paying you to say nice things about them [01:14:26] as you like these people. They they [01:14:28] can't be part of something. You you just [01:14:30] whatever they're part of, you can't [01:14:31] fully see it. [01:14:33] >> That's all I'm saying. [01:14:33] >> You you you can't. And and you know, [01:14:35] something that that has been a matter of [01:14:38] great controversy and [01:14:41] strife and anger and high emotion. um [01:14:45] that has come up in public discourse [01:14:47] recently is the ancient [01:14:53] anthropological constant of tribalism. [01:14:57] >> Tribalism. Um, and if you're not a [01:15:02] tribalist, [01:15:03] if if you don't see the world in terms [01:15:06] of tribe, [01:15:08] then, [01:15:10] and I beg your pardon for being academic [01:15:12] again, but I I think Vitkinstein, the [01:15:14] great linguistic philosopher, would have [01:15:16] said, "You don't understand the [01:15:18] conversation." In other words, [01:15:21] tribalists, guys who hate each other and [01:15:24] are involved in reprisals and and this [01:15:26] this kind of um this kind of zero [01:15:30] someum, you know, race to the bottom. [01:15:32] Well, [01:15:33] >> Albanian mountain feuds. [01:15:34] >> Yeah. Serbs versus Croatians. Exactly. [01:15:38] Yeah. Um, so I I was went sailing um [01:15:42] down on the Dalmatian coast. Um, pulled [01:15:45] into a gas station just north of De [01:15:47] Brovnik to get some gas for my car. And [01:15:51] um I walked into this gas station and [01:15:54] the whole gas station was like a shrine [01:15:58] to the villain of the Serbs. There's a [01:16:02] Croatian guy just north of De Bronik [01:16:04] Sloban Mallovich posters or something [01:16:07] >> just [01:16:08] well okay [01:16:10] to be fair some lunatic Serbian [01:16:15] artillery guy had actually direct hit on [01:16:19] his gas station. So, okay. All right. [01:16:21] Um, I I get it. You know, back during [01:16:24] the the the the Yugoslav war. Um, and [01:16:28] why these jerks decide to shell Deb [01:16:31] Brovnik? It's like one [laughter] of the [01:16:32] I mean, it's like, what are you guys? [01:16:34] Clearly, these guys had just completely [01:16:36] lost their minds. Why are you shelling [01:16:38] the Bronick? Why did you just Okay, a [01:16:40] gas station. Okay. All right. So, just [01:16:44] blow the [ __ ] out of that gas station. [01:16:46] So, you know, here we are like 16, no, [01:16:51] 26 years later and the whole gas station [01:16:54] is a shrine to Serbian villain. Um, so [01:16:59] can you imagine every day walking in to [01:17:03] your place of work and there is [01:17:07] everywhere on the wall a reminder of the [01:17:10] injustice that you suffered 26 years ago [01:17:13] at the hands of the Serbs. So I could I [01:17:16] just this was fascinating. I was like I [01:17:18] got to talk to this dude. So he he spoke [01:17:21] broken German. Some of the Croatians [01:17:23] from the old Austrohungarian Empire, [01:17:25] they can still speak a bit of German. [01:17:28] And I said, um, why do you believe that [01:17:32] they shelled De Bronvnik? Like that [01:17:35] doesn't really make sense. Like what is [01:17:37] the strategic value of shelling De [01:17:40] Bronik? [01:17:41] >> It's just like a world heritage site, [01:17:44] you know? It's [01:17:46] He says, he looks at me, he says, "What [01:17:49] reason?" [01:17:51] He says, "There is no reason in these [01:17:54] monsters. They're insane. They're [01:17:57] deranged. They're demonic. There's no [01:17:59] reason in any" And he's furious. [01:18:02] [laughter] It's like just can you [01:18:04] imagine? [01:18:04] >> I can picture this scene. Yes. [01:18:05] >> Yeah. Um, so [01:18:09] it's hard for me, somebody who's I don't [01:18:13] have a tribal allegiance. I mean, I you [01:18:16] could say, well, you know, I have a kind [01:18:17] of sentimental affection for my English [01:18:23] ancestors, right? You know, I I think I [01:18:26] related to Sir John Leak was I think he [01:18:30] was Queen Anne's admiral during the War [01:18:34] of Secession. So, and there's a book [01:18:36] about Sir John, and you know, I've read [01:18:38] the book and it's like, well, he sounds [01:18:40] like a cool guy, but the trials and [01:18:43] travails of of his struggle in the war [01:18:46] of Spanish secession, I mean, it's like, [01:18:48] who cares? [01:18:49] >> Yeah. [01:18:50] So, I can't get into the internal logic [01:18:55] of this conversation about, you know, [01:18:58] this tribe did this and and then then [01:19:01] that and then we're back and forth and [01:19:02] who killed more than the other guy. And [01:19:05] would you say it's true that people [01:19:06] without a tribal identity are at grave [01:19:09] disadvantage against those with a [01:19:11] powerful tribal identity because they [01:19:12] don't they don't understand what they're [01:19:14] what they're looking at at all. [01:19:16] >> You don't understand what you're looking [01:19:18] at. I don't understand. Totally agree. I [01:19:20] have exactly the same views. Maybe it's [01:19:22] the Episcopal Church taught us this or [01:19:24] something. But yes. [01:19:25] >> Well, I remember during before my [01:19:28] grandfather died, he fought in Italy. [01:19:30] He, you know, slept on the ground for [01:19:31] two years and and he slung it out with [01:19:34] with um with Jerry in in Italy. I mean, [01:19:38] like hot combat. And um and my my [01:19:41] greatuncle [01:19:43] um Bobby Witel was killed um in Italy. [01:19:47] And it was very traumatic to my to my [01:19:49] great-grandmother. [01:19:51] But the thing that so and my [01:19:54] great-grandmother by the way her family [01:19:56] was originally from Germany. So there [01:19:58] was this kind of you know confusion [01:20:00] about that. And [snorts] I remember [01:20:03] talking to my um grandfather [01:20:06] and he said one of the most disturbing [01:20:09] things I remember he said we we there's [01:20:12] a machine gun nest and we kind of were [01:20:14] able to maneuver and get close and [01:20:16] somebody tossed a grenade into it [01:20:19] and the grenade went off and then the [01:20:21] guns fell silent. He said, "So then we [01:20:23] entered the machine gun nest and the [01:20:27] soldier manning it was just a boy. He [01:20:31] didn't even have a beard. He was like a [01:20:35] 14y old. And he said the Germans were [01:20:39] moving all of their manpower to the [01:20:41] eastern front [01:20:42] >> always. Yeah. [01:20:43] >> To to to fight the Russians. [01:20:46] And so they had just pulled back these [01:20:49] positions in northern Italy north of [01:20:51] Florence. And they were very clever. He [01:20:54] said they kind of set these things up [01:20:55] where just a little kid could operate [01:20:57] it. He said, "They had these fascinating [01:21:00] little little maps and then you could [01:21:02] actually with a lever you could identify [01:21:05] with binoculars where are the Americans [01:21:08] and then you could move a corresponding [01:21:10] lever to put the gun to sight the gun." [01:21:13] He said, "It's very ingenious." He said, [01:21:15] "But I remember thinking [01:21:18] this is just faking awful like [01:21:21] >> like it's like a little kid." Um, so [01:21:25] and this was my [01:21:26] >> only the United States would do that [01:21:28] though. I think and this might be wrong [01:21:30] but it's correctish. I think in 1941 [01:21:33] December when the war started the [01:21:36] largest ethnic group in the United [01:21:38] States was German. [01:21:39] >> Yeah. [01:21:40] >> I think that was the if you ask people [01:21:41] you know what's your ancestry? I think [01:21:43] German was number one. May have been [01:21:44] number two after English but I it was [01:21:45] right up there and the whole country. So [01:21:48] what other country which is fine. I'm [01:21:51] very anti- Hitler. Okay. But where else [01:21:54] in history could you say to a [01:21:56] population, [01:21:58] go fight your distant relatives in the [01:22:01] land of your ancestors and have them go [01:22:03] do it? Only in a country where tribal [01:22:05] identity had been discouraged to the [01:22:08] point where it disappeared [01:22:09] >> completely. Completely. [01:22:10] >> And and by the way, that also happened [01:22:11] in the First World War [01:22:12] >> where millions of Americans of German [01:22:15] ancestry changed their last names, call [01:22:18] themselves Dutch. The Pennsylvania Dutch [01:22:20] are obviously German, but they were so [01:22:23] ashamed of their own tribe that they [01:22:25] pretended they weren't part of that [01:22:26] tribe. And I'm not criticizing it. I'm [01:22:28] just saying I don't think that's ever [01:22:30] happened in history. [01:22:31] >> No. No. The the American [01:22:34] adventure [01:22:36] or project has been unbelievably [01:22:39] successful until [01:22:41] >> until I don't know 2000. [01:22:44] >> Y. So, why do I mention uh war and [01:22:48] tribalism and all of this? Um, if you're [01:22:52] in the vaccine [01:22:55] ideology and you've completely [01:22:58] 100% [01:23:01] been indoctrinated in it, it's like [01:23:03] there's I can't talk to you. It it's [01:23:05] it's like you're in another tribe. And I [01:23:09] think that is perhaps the point of the [01:23:12] whole thing. Let's divide. [01:23:16] Let's stamp out vaccine hesitancy. [01:23:19] And then those who who take the the [01:23:22] communion who who receive the boy who [01:23:25] receives those who receive it will then [01:23:27] be [01:23:29] permanently [01:23:31] separate from those who are hesitant and [01:23:34] refuse. So it's like you've just created [01:23:37] a tribal identity. And he who hesitates, [01:23:40] he who refuses, [01:23:42] well, if he's in Washington DC, the [01:23:44] nation's capital, he can't stay in a [01:23:47] hotel. He can't have a steak dinner with [01:23:50] Senator Johnson near Capitol Hill [01:23:52] because he's not vaccinated. [01:23:55] So, I think that's [01:23:58] that's what this is about. But I want to [01:24:00] get we might be running short on time, [01:24:04] but I I do want to talk about messenger [01:24:06] RNA. [01:24:08] So this Prometheian or Luciferian [01:24:12] intellect and the pride that is taken in [01:24:16] that there's no [01:24:19] grander expression of this than [01:24:21] messenger RNA. So the original idea was [01:24:26] well if if if you think about messenger [01:24:28] RNA there there are there's a trinity of [01:24:31] the way proteins the building blocks of [01:24:34] life or proteins. Okay. So there's [01:24:38] replication which is a DNA strand [01:24:40] replicates itself. There's transcription [01:24:44] which is the DNA using RNA which is one [01:24:48] half DNA strand to send information [01:24:53] outside of the the cell nucleus [01:24:57] into the external part of the cell the [01:25:00] sort of watery part of the cell. RNA [01:25:03] then instructs that's called [01:25:06] transcription and then translation. [01:25:10] That RNA instruction then tells the cell [01:25:14] what to do. [01:25:16] And I mean it's like you're talking [01:25:18] about electricity. I mean if you start [01:25:20] studying molecular biology [01:25:23] you think oh my god like this is this is [01:25:26] so fascinating. It's so interesting. [01:25:28] Like and Francis Collins who is the head [01:25:31] of the NIH when CO came. He wrote a book [01:25:34] in 2006. [01:25:36] >> Do you remember this book? [01:25:38] >> Of course not. No, I was not even aware [01:25:40] he existed until co I all of this went [01:25:42] way under my radar. [01:25:44] >> So Francis Collins wrote a book called [01:25:46] the language of God. [01:25:49] And what he claimed was with the human [01:25:51] genome project with all the advances [01:25:54] that had been made in understanding [01:25:56] molecular biology, [01:25:58] DNA, RNA, messenger RNA, [01:26:02] that scientists were reading the code in [01:26:06] which God had created life. So you're [01:26:10] probably wondering why I mentioned the [01:26:12] Silicon Valley guys. So code, you code [01:26:16] things. You you enter a code, you [01:26:19] transmit the code, and then and then [01:26:21] that initiates an operation, an [01:26:24] instruction to do something. And we're [01:26:26] headed this way in a big way with [01:26:28] artificial intelligence. But the idea is [01:26:31] it's like God is a divine coder and [01:26:35] using nucleic acid [01:26:37] >> he coded [01:26:40] up there in the celestial [01:26:44] I don't know the celestial laboratory he [01:26:48] coded life [01:26:50] >> and now the human intellect has reached [01:26:52] a point where we can read the code okay [01:26:56] so that's interesting okay so I read the [01:26:58] book God's language [01:27:01] That's cool. I mean, maybe we're reading [01:27:03] God's language. I think Einstein said, [01:27:05] "I want to know God's thoughts." Okay, [01:27:08] so far so good. But what these mRNA [01:27:11] vaccine guys did, they went one step [01:27:14] further. We're not only going to read [01:27:16] the language of God, we're going to [01:27:18] start writing in the language of God [01:27:22] using messenger RNA. We [01:27:26] will now use pseudo eurodonated [01:27:29] messenger RNA to instruct the body to [01:27:34] produce the the proteins, the building [01:27:36] blocks of life that we want it to [01:27:40] produce. [01:27:40] >> What could go wrong? [01:27:42] >> What could go wrong? [01:27:43] >> I think now it's just good to interject [01:27:45] in one sentence and remind everyone that [01:27:46] Adam and Eve were not expelled from the [01:27:48] garden for ignorance. [01:27:51] >> Right. Well, [01:27:52] >> just the opposite. [01:27:54] >> Well, so but but but now, okay, I'm glad [01:27:57] that you that you raised this because [01:27:58] now we come to a point [01:28:01] >> that I think lies at the heart of the [01:28:03] human condition. Um, how do we recogni? [01:28:07] So, we are curious. I mean, when I was a [01:28:11] boy, my mother said, you know, your [01:28:12] problem is you're so curious like you [01:28:14] just like if somebody tells you you [01:28:16] can't look at something, the first thing [01:28:19] you do is look at it. Somebody tells you [01:28:21] don't go in onto that piece of property. [01:28:23] Well, then, you know, next minute you're [01:28:25] climbing over the gate. I mean, it's [01:28:27] like, what is it about telling us [01:28:30] you you can't look into that? [01:28:32] >> Yeah. Just one piece of fruit you can't [01:28:34] have. That's it. Otherwise, you're set. [01:28:36] It's like it's perfect, but you just [01:28:37] can't have this one thing. But consider [01:28:39] the contradiction of of that because to [01:28:42] go back to the Grand Inquisitor by Ivan [01:28:45] Karamazov, [01:28:50] it's a paradox because in a way what the [01:28:53] Grand Inquisitor is suggesting is just [01:28:55] give us all of your free will. [01:28:58] >> Yeah. [01:28:58] >> And we'll we'll take care of you. It's [01:29:01] like we're going back to the [01:29:02] prelapsarian state where you're just [01:29:05] taken care of. You don't have to ask any [01:29:07] questions. You don't have to try and [01:29:09] figure anything out. You're just told [01:29:12] the way the world is and you accept and [01:29:15] you obey. So this is the tension and in [01:29:19] in being human and the messenger RNA [01:29:24] stuff where the whole thing becomes so [01:29:26] fantastically absurd. [01:29:29] And this is another really important [01:29:31] point that we try to convey in our book. [01:29:33] There's so much these guys don't know. [01:29:37] So they get these little [01:29:40] glimmers of insight. It's like, "Holy [01:29:42] Toledo, can you believe can you believe [01:29:45] what we just observed?" [01:29:48] Where it becomes very childish and very [01:29:50] intellectually [01:29:52] challenged is the next thought. Oh, now [01:29:57] we've figured it all out. Now we can [01:30:00] assume the helm. That's right. It's like [01:30:02] why do you just on the face of it that's [01:30:05] preposterous? Like you just figured [01:30:08] something out. You just got a glimpse of [01:30:10] something. You need to recognize [01:30:13] what that's telling you is how much you [01:30:16] don't know. You don't know that there's [01:30:18] so many things you don't know. [01:30:21] >> But the irony is that the scientific [01:30:23] process science [01:30:25] is designed as a counterbalance to those [01:30:28] very human instincts. I know something, [01:30:30] therefore I'm an expert. That's called [01:30:32] hubris. And the process itself is again [01:30:37] designed to rein that in to show you how [01:30:39] much you don't know. That that's the [01:30:41] whole thing. So how did that not work? [01:30:44] My my my favorite um medical historian [01:30:48] is Oliver Wendell Holmes senior. very [01:30:51] very interesting guy [01:30:53] >> and he once made an observation which [01:30:56] I've thought God if you could just frame [01:30:59] that put it on the wall of every library [01:31:02] excuse me of every laboratory [01:31:04] he said science is the topography of [01:31:08] ignorance [01:31:09] >> exactly [01:31:10] >> from a few elevated points we [01:31:13] triangulate vast spaces of unknowns [01:31:18] so that is a person who's actually using [01:31:21] his head. He's actually thinking. He's [01:31:25] not just saying, "Oh, look how smart we [01:31:28] are. Look at all of this brilliant stuff [01:31:31] that we just discovered. Now, let's [01:31:33] start making a thousand assumptions that [01:31:36] are totally unwarranted. [01:31:42] I'm going to ask you one last specific [01:31:44] question about messenger RNA. So I think [01:31:49] as you said a number of times, we don't [01:31:51] really know its effects and we don't [01:31:52] know certainly where it's going long [01:31:54] term. But the one thing it strikes me we [01:31:57] should be very concerned about is the [01:31:59] possibility that it changes people in a [01:32:02] way that they pass on to their children [01:32:04] that it changes their genetic code [01:32:06] because that's of course destroying [01:32:08] humanity as we know it. I is there any [01:32:10] indication that that is happening or [01:32:12] could happen? [01:32:13] >> Yes. Um there are a few things that I [01:32:16] would say to that. [01:32:19] The first highly alarming thing is [01:32:23] there is evidence that it actually [01:32:25] impairs fertility. [01:32:27] So that's perhaps a paradox. It's [01:32:31] actually preventing you from passing [01:32:33] anything on to your kids because [01:32:36] >> you're not having them. So that's one [01:32:39] thing. The second [01:32:40] >> and there is there's real evidence of [01:32:42] that. [01:32:42] >> Yes. Yes. [01:32:44] >> So, how in the world is it still legal [01:32:47] in the United States to inject people [01:32:48] with that? [01:32:49] >> Well, fertility is just the start of it. [01:32:52] How how about [01:32:53] >> that's all I need to know. [01:32:54] >> That's all I need to know. And that [01:32:55] that's almost enough to make you think, [01:32:57] you know, we have to kind of we have to [01:32:59] we stop this now. [01:33:00] >> For sure. Well, Peter McCulla has been [01:33:04] proclaiming this for a while. [01:33:05] >> No, but for real. Like, you can't have [01:33:07] that, [01:33:07] >> right? [01:33:08] >> Okay. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I'm trying to [01:33:09] get my emotions under control, but yeah, [01:33:11] that's really [01:33:12] >> I'll I'll tell you something else. when [01:33:13] you talk about young people, so [01:33:15] fertility. Um, [01:33:18] in [01:33:22] July of 2021, the New England Journal of [01:33:25] Medicine, [01:33:27] to their credit, [01:33:29] published a peer-reviewed case study of [01:33:32] a young man, an adolescent boy, who [01:33:35] developed myocarditis, [01:33:38] inflammation of the heart. Now, consider [01:33:40] the symbolism of this. [01:33:43] A young fit boy develops myocarditis, [01:33:46] inflammation of the heart, shortly after [01:33:49] receiving a messenger RNA COVID shot. [01:33:53] I actually had dinner with Dr. McCulla [01:33:55] that night. He was very alarmed by this. [01:33:59] He said, you know, I I mean, I've been [01:34:01] practicing cardiology for 30 years. I [01:34:03] very very rarely see myocarditis. [01:34:08] and this this preposterous assertion [01:34:12] that well it's just a little bit of [01:34:14] heart damage. He said this is [01:34:16] ridiculous. You need your heart to keep [01:34:19] beating every second or millisecond for [01:34:23] the rest of your days. That poor muscle, [01:34:26] it can't you can't afford to damage it. [01:34:29] >> There's no minor damage to your right. [01:34:32] No. So, um he said this is really a [01:34:35] disaster. And so [01:34:38] what is the the the reasonable thing to [01:34:41] automatically recognize in the summer of [01:34:44] 21? It's very simple. We already know [01:34:47] we're over a year into this that young [01:34:51] athletes are not at risk of severe COVID [01:34:55] illness. It just they're just not. It's [01:34:58] it has zero statistical significance as [01:35:03] a purported threat to the health of [01:35:05] young athletes. [01:35:07] And one might I might add, you know, [01:35:11] young athletes are kind of the hope. I [01:35:13] mean, they're sort of not that they're [01:35:15] athletes, but that they're young and [01:35:17] strong and have full possession of their [01:35:19] abilities and faculties and like [01:35:23] those are the young fellas that are [01:35:26] going to perpetuate our civilization. [01:35:28] >> That's our country, right? [01:35:29] >> That's our country precisely. So, why [01:35:34] would you do anything? Why would you [01:35:36] take any unnecessary risk that could [01:35:39] damage young people? It's it [01:35:43] Okay, you could say in a nursing home um [01:35:46] our riskbenefit analysis is that you [01:35:48] know take the risk with the vaccine [01:35:51] because these people are very frail if [01:35:53] they get we could argue that maybe we [01:35:55] should have a disc but just to say all [01:35:57] the young boys and little girls [01:36:02] should get this shot even though they're [01:36:04] not at risk of co 19. [01:36:06] >> It's the opposite. It's the most [01:36:07] unnatural thing ever because the [01:36:10] progression of nature is is really [01:36:11] simple. You go through phases in life [01:36:13] and at a certain point that's all you [01:36:16] care about. I'm only 56. I already don't [01:36:17] care about me at all. And I mean that [01:36:20] not cuz I'm so selfless. I'm not [01:36:21] selfless. But because that's just it's [01:36:23] just natural. At a certain point you [01:36:25] pivot from worrying about you to [01:36:28] worrying about your children and your [01:36:29] grandchildren. What comes after you? [01:36:31] That's I mean that's the life cycle. [01:36:32] Animals are this way. This is the most [01:36:35] natural thing ever. And when that's [01:36:36] subverted then you know it's from hell. [01:36:41] It's true. So, it gets it gets dark. So, [01:36:45] doctor, [01:36:45] >> it gets darker. I don't know if I can [01:36:47] handle that. [01:36:47] >> I mean, it that's dark, but it's about [01:36:50] to get darker. So, [01:36:53] the editor of the New England Journal of [01:36:55] Medicine, who's also an adjunct [01:36:57] professor at the Harvard Medical School. [01:37:00] So, in terms of institutional [01:37:03] prestige, it doesn't get any more [01:37:05] prestigious. I mean, you're talking [01:37:07] about [01:37:09] number one public medical professional [01:37:14] probably on earth, [snorts] [01:37:17] professor at Harvard, editor-inchief of [01:37:19] the New England Journal of Medicine. I [01:37:21] mean, that's like the Pope. [01:37:24] His name is Dr. Eric Rubin and he was [01:37:28] also an adviser on the F FDA [01:37:30] deliberative committee to decide whether [01:37:33] we should approve the messenger RNA CO9 [01:37:37] vaccine for young people. I think the [01:37:41] original decision is people under the [01:37:42] age of 18. [01:37:44] We have the transcript of the [01:37:46] deliberative committee meeting. The [01:37:49] question is, should we appro should the [01:37:51] FDA and I'm the [01:37:53] in effect he's the most prestigious [01:37:57] advisor in the room. Should it be [01:37:59] approved for young people? So this is [01:38:02] his reasoning [snorts] [01:38:04] and I just quote the the the transcript. [01:38:07] Okay. So the question is do we approve [01:38:10] this for young people? He says two [01:38:12] things. First of all, the risk benefit [01:38:15] analysis [01:38:17] is different from what it is for older [01:38:19] people. And he doesn't need to spell [01:38:21] this out. Everybody understands is older [01:38:24] people seem to be at greater risk of [01:38:26] getting into trouble with the illness [01:38:27] itself. So yeah, we have a different um [01:38:31] you know risk benefit profile when it [01:38:33] comes to young people. Now that's a [01:38:35] euphemism. I mean there's a big [01:38:37] difference in the risk benefit profile. [01:38:40] Young people aren't at risk of this at [01:38:41] all. [01:38:43] And we have something else. We have a [01:38:45] signal. He said, I'm not sure if it's [01:38:48] 100% real, but I think that it is. He's [01:38:52] referring to myocarditis and young [01:38:54] people. [01:38:56] So, the signal I believe is real. [01:38:59] So, you have a a bad safety signal and [01:39:02] then you have in terms of the the risk [01:39:04] of the illness for young people, it's [01:39:07] nil. So, he said, so it's a tough [01:39:10] decision. Um, but I think in the final [01:39:13] analysis, we won't really know [01:39:17] until we just start giving it. [01:39:21] >> Reuben said that. [01:39:22] >> Those are his exact words. [01:39:23] >> So, how was he punished for that? [01:39:26] >> That's the orthodoxy. He's [01:39:28] >> so not punished. [01:39:29] >> No. No. I mean, it's like [01:39:31] >> how could you show your face after [01:39:33] saying something like that? [01:39:34] >> I don't know. I don't [01:39:36] >> as like someone at top, you know, the [01:39:38] public health infrastructure in America. [01:39:40] How could you? [01:39:42] >> And so [01:39:43] >> no, so there was no shame, professional [01:39:45] shame attached to him for that. He [01:39:46] wasn't sanctioned by anybody or fired. [01:39:49] >> The [01:39:51] to be clear, there's still [01:39:55] this the FDA and the CDC [01:39:59] technically acknowledge that a adverse [01:40:03] side effect of the CO 19 vaccine is [01:40:05] myocarditis, particularly in in [01:40:08] adolescent males. [01:40:10] >> [snorts] [01:40:10] >> Okay. So, but that is so qualified [01:40:15] with the assertion, but it's so rare [01:40:18] that we needn't really concern ourselves [01:40:20] with it. It's a a very lowrisk [snorts] [01:40:24] outcome. So, that is the assertion in [01:40:27] order to prevent there from being any [01:40:30] repercussion. Now, Senator Ron Johnson [01:40:33] held here a Senate hearing in May of [01:40:36] this year. I actually attended with Dr. [01:40:38] makulla [01:40:40] and the question was has myocarditis [01:40:43] been deliberately [01:40:46] obscured the risk has it been covered up [01:40:50] by the US government [01:40:53] the same agencies who approved it for [01:40:56] young people and the answer is yes and I [01:40:59] think that this is very very important [01:41:02] there isn't going to be [01:41:05] a public acknowledgment [01:41:07] from the same group of guys that they've [01:41:11] made [snorts] catastrophic errors in all [01:41:14] of this that will never be admitted. It [01:41:16] will never be acknowledged. It won't. [01:41:18] Well, then you then you have at that [01:41:20] point no moral authority, no [01:41:22] credibility, [01:41:24] and you can't continue in the same way [01:41:27] that you did before. Like normal people [01:41:29] will say, "I'm not listening to a word [01:41:31] you say. I'm not going to the doctor." [01:41:32] That's where I am personally. But it's [01:41:34] not just me. It's it's like any person [01:41:37] who thinks about this. It's like, how [01:41:38] could I ever believe you again? [01:41:41] >> Do you remember what I was saying [01:41:42] earlier about a large [01:41:45] percentage swath of the American people [01:41:48] no longer believe anything their [01:41:50] government agencies tell them, it's the [01:41:53] same. [01:41:53] >> And mRNA vaccines are still being given [01:41:55] to young people. [01:41:57] >> Right now, [01:41:57] >> yeah. [01:41:59] >> Yeah. So, yeah. [snorts] [01:42:02] Um, I don't want to marinate in rage, [01:42:04] um, because it's not good for me and I [01:42:05] don't think it doesn't elevate the [01:42:07] conversation. But let me just just [01:42:08] circle back to the original question [01:42:10] just to make sure we settle it. Do you [01:42:12] think there's evidence that the changes [01:42:14] to people to their genetic structure [01:42:16] wrought by these vaccines could be [01:42:18] passed on to their children? [01:42:21] um the McCulla Foundation of which I am [01:42:23] the vice president. Um we just published [01:42:26] um I I should say we posted we we did an [01:42:29] exposition of a paper that was recently [01:42:33] published in which [01:42:36] a patient and it it's a published paper. [01:42:40] It's a published case study. It's it's [01:42:43] not a question of speculation. It's been [01:42:46] published. Now molecular biologists I'm [01:42:50] sure could debate about this but the [01:42:52] finding is a person who had cancer of [01:42:56] the bladder which is a very severe [01:43:00] cancer in that tumor. So in the the [01:43:05] [snorts] [01:43:06] bladder cells that had become displastic [01:43:09] that the the when when [01:43:14] cancer begins to develop. Remember I was [01:43:16] telling you about the coding? You get [01:43:18] coding errors and it it it starts [01:43:20] forming these malignant cells which are [01:43:23] chaotic and that don't work and but they [01:43:26] keep replicating. That's the problem [01:43:27] with cancer. It's like this [01:43:29] dysfunctional thing that just keeps [01:43:32] replicating. It's kind of a horror show. [01:43:35] Now, I don't pretend to be an [01:43:37] oncologist, but the finding is is that [01:43:40] messenger RNA was found in the the [01:43:45] cancerous cells of this tumor. So, it [01:43:48] seems to be integrating. Now, the [01:43:51] question is, is it integrating in a way [01:43:54] that is can be passed on to the [01:43:56] offspring or is it so dysfunctional that [01:43:59] it's killing the host before it can be [01:44:02] passed on? And and I don't know that we [01:44:04] yet know that. But remember the science [01:44:08] is the topography of ignorance. I mean [01:44:10] there's a lot about this that is is very [01:44:12] very concerning. There's also a study [01:44:15] that this messenger RNA seems to have um [01:44:19] transcribed into liver cells. [01:44:23] So, [01:44:24] you know, to really get to the bottom of [01:44:27] this, you would have to have molecular [01:44:29] biologists who aren't entranced by this, [01:44:32] that would have to really be willing to [01:44:35] seriously evaluate it without [01:44:37] presuppositions. And I just don't know [01:44:38] that we're there. That's the problem [01:44:42] where we are. It's it's if you received [01:44:45] the vaccine, if you approved it, if you [01:44:48] if you um told your patients they need [01:44:51] to get it, are you really going to be an [01:44:55] unless you have a kind of damisine [01:44:58] moment where you're like, "Okay, [01:45:01] I totally screwed all of this up." Like [01:45:04] 100% I'm an idiot. All of my assumptions [01:45:07] were wrong. But there aren't very many [01:45:10] people [01:45:11] >> with with decency or integrity in [01:45:13] medicine. Apparently not. Apparently [01:45:15] there aren't. I don't think so. [01:45:16] >> I don't think these are complex concepts [01:45:18] at all. They're very human concepts. [01:45:19] There's nobody who hasn't screwed it up [01:45:21] and learned that his preconceptions were [01:45:22] wrong and he's given terrible advice or [01:45:24] hurt people unwittingly. There's not one [01:45:27] person who's, you know, past 14 years [01:45:30] old who hasn't had that experience. And [01:45:32] it is incumbent on us. It's our it's our [01:45:34] obligation to admit that. And like if [01:45:37] people with the power of life and death, [01:45:39] physicians can't admit that. Then we we [01:45:41] need to eliminate the profession. You [01:45:43] can't have that. That's the one thing [01:45:44] you can't have. Dishonesty, lack of [01:45:48] concern for other people, like not [01:45:50] acceptable. Where's the AMA? [01:45:52] >> So get a load of this story. [01:45:56] Why did I become interested in this [01:45:59] whole [01:46:00] this whole [01:46:03] story of of medicine and doctrine, [01:46:06] medicine and and false orthodoxy. This [01:46:10] goes back to when I lived in Vienna. I [01:46:12] lived in Vienna for many years um as a [01:46:14] true crime author. I I became interested [01:46:17] in and and [laughter] [01:46:19] and sorry your life story which we [01:46:21] haven't gotten into but I would [01:46:23] encourage people to look it up. So you [01:46:24] you start as a Germanspeaking [01:46:27] philosopher and you wind up as a true [01:46:28] crime author. I just I just love the [01:46:30] course of people's lives is so amazing. [01:46:33] >> Well well I mean talk about money. I [01:46:35] mean I mean one and and the the power of [01:46:39] money to to direct people's attention. [01:46:43] So I I think I would have liked to have [01:46:45] been a philosopher. Um two things [01:46:48] happened. I didn't like hanging around [01:46:50] with academics and B I I mean I I don't [01:46:54] mind not being rich, but I didn't like [01:46:55] being poor. [01:46:56] >> Oh, I hosted Fox and Friends weekends [01:46:58] for four years, so I I I know what [01:46:59] [laughter] it means to have to make [01:47:01] certain compromises to pay the bills. [01:47:03] So, I get it. [01:47:04] >> So, so I got interested in forensic [01:47:07] medicine and I got to be pals with the [01:47:10] pathologist, the forensic doctor at the [01:47:12] Vienna Institute of Forensic Medicine. [01:47:15] and [01:47:17] she wanted to get some of her papers [01:47:19] published in English. And she said, you [01:47:21] know, I can I know the basic medical [01:47:24] terms, but I don't know how to write in [01:47:26] and in in a good nice flowing style. [01:47:29] This was before all these translate [01:47:31] things. So, you know, I'll do my basic [01:47:34] translational and make sure the medical [01:47:36] terminology is correct, but could you [01:47:38] put this into a paper that somebody [01:47:39] might want to actually read? So I did a [01:47:43] few translations for her and I I got to [01:47:46] be pals with her and I got to where I [01:47:48] was hanging out at the Vienna Institute [01:47:50] of Forensic Medicine, you know, once [01:47:52] every couple of months when I was [01:47:53] researching my first book and I became [01:47:57] so fascinated I even thought about [01:47:59] writing a screenplay about this. So, [01:48:01] there was a professor of anatomy [01:48:04] [snorts] at the University of Vienna [01:48:06] Medical School in the 1840s, and I'm I'm [01:48:09] sorry that his his his name is suddenly [01:48:12] slipping me, but he was an anatomy [01:48:14] professor. And every day he took his [01:48:17] students to the the Institute of [01:48:20] Forensic Medicine for anatomy class. [01:48:22] They would do um [01:48:25] anatomical studies of cadaavvers. And [01:48:28] then from the anatomy class, the [01:48:33] students would then go to the obstetrics [01:48:36] department of the University of Vienna [01:48:38] Medical School. And there the head of [01:48:41] obstetrics was a guy named Professor [01:48:43] Ignat Semlv. [01:48:46] Okay. So the year is 1848. [01:48:51] A pivotal year on the continent. [01:48:53] >> Right. Right. So think about a [01:48:56] revolution. It's interesting. So was it [01:48:59] 48? It might have been 46. Anyway, 1846, [01:49:02] 47 or 48. [01:49:04] Some of his pals with the professor of [01:49:07] anatomy. The professor of anatomy is [01:49:09] doing a demonstration is using a scalpel [01:49:12] on a cadaavver and then accidentally [01:49:13] cuts himself. [01:49:16] That injury, that wound then becomes [01:49:18] horribly infected [01:49:20] and he dies. He gets sepsis and he dies. [01:49:25] Some of us start thinking that's [01:49:27] interesting because his the that the [01:49:31] disease progression with the professor. [01:49:35] It reminds me of what these girls in the [01:49:37] maternity ward are suffering. It's [01:49:39] called childbed fever. [01:49:40] >> Exactly. [01:49:42] >> Could it be might there be a connection? [01:49:45] Now remember this is before the germ [01:49:47] theory of medicine. I I think an Italian [01:49:50] had had proposed it but it hadn't caught [01:49:52] on. [01:49:54] So some of says could it be that the [01:49:57] corruption that is transferred from the [01:50:00] cadaavver to my friend with the scalpel [01:50:04] that the students [01:50:06] they're coming directly here from [01:50:08] anatomy? Could it be they're [01:50:10] transferring the same corruption from [01:50:12] the body to the genital tracts of my [01:50:15] girls in the maternity ward? [01:50:19] Could it be that if I have them wash [01:50:22] their hands with chlorinated lime, it's [01:50:24] what gravediggers or undertakers use to [01:50:27] cut putrifaction, [01:50:30] what'll happen? So he tells the kids, [01:50:33] "Wash your hands with chlorinated lime [01:50:36] before you examine the girls in my [01:50:38] maternity ward." [01:50:40] So let's test your powers of deductive [01:50:43] reasoning. [01:50:44] What happened to the incidence of child [01:50:47] bed fever in the maternity ward when [01:50:49] they started washing their hands? I'm [01:50:50] >> thinking it fell. [01:50:51] >> It fell. It fell almost to zero from 20% [01:50:57] to damn well close to zero. [01:51:01] So some says, "Well, that's it. I mean, [01:51:04] let's just have the kids wash their [01:51:06] hands." So he publishes his study. He [01:51:08] does a an analysis of two different [01:51:11] maternity wards. He does a nice [01:51:12] comparative case study. [01:51:16] What do you think the eminences of [01:51:18] Europe, [01:51:20] the medical universities, Vienna, Paris, [01:51:23] Stockholm, what did they say? How did [01:51:26] they greet Samis's [01:51:29] seinal study [01:51:32] with cheering and tears of gratitude? Is [01:51:35] that what you believe? [01:51:36] >> No, cuz I know people. They said that's [01:51:39] fish tank cleaner. That's horse [01:51:41] tranquilizer. How dare you? And then [01:51:43] they went on CNN to denounce him. [01:51:45] >> They said, "You're crazy." [01:51:47] >> Yeah. [01:51:47] >> You've been infected with a deranged [01:51:49] superstition. [01:51:51] Everybody knows it's got nothing to do [01:51:53] with that. You're just putting stupid [01:51:56] ideas into the heads of your young and [01:51:58] naive students. Stop it. So some of [01:52:02] says, "No, [01:52:05] I'm not going to stop it. I'm going to [01:52:06] continue researching this and I'm going [01:52:08] to continue publishing this. So, this [01:52:12] turns into a battle royale in Europe. [01:52:16] Okay. Now, interestingly enough, [01:52:19] Oliver Wendell Holmes is doing the same [01:52:22] at the exact same time. I mean, I don't [01:52:24] know, maybe they heard of each other. [01:52:26] He's doing it at Harvard and he Holmes [01:52:28] is not getting a bunch of blowback at [01:52:30] Harvard, but some of in Vienna is okay. [01:52:33] So this is how badly this escalates and [01:52:36] remember this it' be useful to remember [01:52:38] given the current climate of things. So [01:52:41] the eminences of Europe say um we have [01:52:45] to silence this guy. [01:52:48] Some of then starts firing back [snorts] [01:52:52] you guys at this point have reached a [01:52:56] moment where you actually know that I'm [01:52:58] telling the truth. Like like the reality [01:53:00] is the evidence has now come in. It's so [01:53:02] strong that you know I'm telling the [01:53:05] truth, but you would rather [01:53:09] than adopt my protocol of handwashing. [01:53:12] You would rather that young moms, young [01:53:16] mothers and their infants and maternity [01:53:18] wards all over the continent of Europe, [01:53:21] you would prefer that they die rather [01:53:24] than admit you're wrong. [01:53:26] >> Wow, man. [01:53:27] >> So, do you know what the response was to [01:53:29] him? [01:53:31] You're a dangerous lunatic and we're [01:53:34] having a court in Vienna declare you [01:53:36] insane and we're going to put you in the [01:53:41] Vienna insane asylum. [01:53:44] They admit him and [01:53:45] >> is this a true story? [01:53:46] >> This is a true story. His wife [01:53:49] says to him, "I don't see, with all due [01:53:53] respect, dear husband, I don't see how [01:53:56] you can be right when all of these [01:53:58] medical eminences [laughter] are wrong." [01:54:00] So, she leaves him. [01:54:01] >> No way. [01:54:02] >> He's completely forsaken. He's put in a [01:54:04] mental uh asylum or insane asylum. [01:54:10] There's actually an insane asylum that [01:54:12] still stands in Fienna. It's called um [01:54:15] the Nan Tour the the the tower of fools. [01:54:20] It still exists by the way. It's very [01:54:22] interesting. Remember the end of Amadeus [01:54:24] the film where Solier is being wheeled [01:54:26] out. He's in the Nahan tom. Yeah. [01:54:29] Anyway, so I don't think that Samise is [01:54:32] in the Nanorm. I think he's at a [01:54:34] facility in the Vienn somewhere out in [01:54:35] the Vienna woods. A guard strikes him [01:54:39] with something. We don't know if it was [01:54:41] a blunt object. We don't know if it was [01:54:43] a a a sharp object. He gets an infection [01:54:47] and he dies in an insane asylum. [01:54:50] >> No, it's a true story. And how long was [01:54:53] it until he was postumously vindicated? [01:54:58] Um [01:55:01] I think [01:55:03] Robert K in Germany [01:55:07] in the 1870s [01:55:10] vindicated [01:55:11] >> 1870s so decades. So consider this. Um, [01:55:17] when we talk about you're up against [01:55:20] censorship and you're up against the [01:55:22] imposition of falsehood and no matter [01:55:25] what you say, [01:55:27] you're just going to be told to shut up. [01:55:29] Shut up. [laughter] Shut up. [01:55:30] >> I'm familiar with that. Yes. [01:55:32] >> Um, it may be 30 years. [01:55:34] >> Yeah, that's right. [01:55:34] >> I mean, we may we may be all gone [01:55:37] before. So, I'll give you another [01:55:40] example. Smoking tobacco. So, I know you [01:55:44] like to to uh to to smoke in your [01:55:46] younger days, and my mother will hold [01:55:49] this against me, but when I lived in [01:55:50] Europe, I enjoyed an occasional [01:55:53] cigarette. [01:55:54] >> Well, I to be clear, I I've never [01:55:55] stopped smoking. I love it, but no, I I [01:55:58] realize it has health effects that are [01:56:00] bad. So, so the question was um in the [01:56:03] 1920s and 30s um in Germany um is there [01:56:08] a link between long-term use of tobacco [01:56:13] and carcinoma of the lung, cancer of the [01:56:16] lung? And you know, here's where you [01:56:18] have to be really particular. So, it's [01:56:20] not that everyone who smokes is going to [01:56:23] get lung cancer. It's not true. But [01:56:25] could it be that in some cases? [01:56:28] >> Yeah. [01:56:28] >> Among some of the population there's an [01:56:31] underlying susceptibility and if that [01:56:34] susceptibility is activated by years of [01:56:37] heavy cigarette smoking could in that [01:56:40] susceptible population could it cause [01:56:42] carcinoma of the lung? [01:56:44] There was an epidemiologist in Germany [01:56:46] named Fritz Linkett and he did a a a [01:56:51] metaanalysis of all of the data from [01:56:54] pathologists to doctors to everybody you [01:56:58] could talk to that had ever made any [01:57:00] observations on this. And he concluded [01:57:03] yes [01:57:05] not in everybody but in a statistically [01:57:08] significant susceptible part of the [01:57:10] population cigarette smoking causes [01:57:12] carcinoma of the lung. So that's 1930. [01:57:16] Okay. [laughter] [01:57:18] >> And what year did the surgeon general's [01:57:19] warning appear on Camel cigarettes? [01:57:22] >> I think [01:57:23] >> 1964. [01:57:24] >> 64. So that's that's that's quite a [01:57:27] spread. [01:57:28] >> So So Sir Austin Bradford Hill was [01:57:31] probably the most famous epidemiologist [01:57:33] of all time. We have these Bradford Hill [01:57:37] criteria of evaluating causation. So in [01:57:40] 1950 he does a landmark study and he [01:57:43] concludes [01:57:45] yes again not everybody but in a [01:57:48] susceptible population [01:57:50] smoking causes carcinoma of the lung. [01:57:55] In spite of his prestige, the tobacco [01:57:58] industry, all of its hired gun doctors, [01:58:01] and the tobacco industry did have hired [01:58:03] gun doctors, that was systematically [01:58:06] obscured for another 16 years. So when [01:58:12] interests are at stake, don't expect [01:58:18] acknowledgment of error. 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