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[00:00:00] New tape emerges of Alex Prey, the man
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[00:01:08] Well, folks, if you listen to this show
[00:01:09] regularly, you know that one phrase that
[00:01:11] comes up pretty often is two things can
[00:01:13] be true at once. So, for example, ICU
[00:01:17] nurse Alex Prey could have been an
[00:01:19] agitator, a person who obstructed
[00:01:21] federal law enforcement, and also his
[00:01:23] shooting could have come under disputed
[00:01:24] circumstances and then been
[00:01:26] mischaracterized by both sides. All that
[00:01:28] can be true all at once. But people have
[00:01:30] a very, very tough time with cognitive
[00:01:32] dissonance. And so, what you end up with
[00:01:34] is two competing narratives. On the
[00:01:35] right, you end up with a narrative that
[00:01:37] Alex Petty was a thoroughly bad person
[00:01:39] who totally deserved what happened to
[00:01:41] him. And on the left you end up with a
[00:01:42] narrative that Alex Petty was a saint of
[00:01:45] a human being and was totally innocent
[00:01:47] in his own demise. Those are the two
[00:01:48] narratives. They are the competing
[00:01:50] narratives. And the problem is that
[00:01:52] reality is ugly and reality is messy.
[00:01:55] And in reality, of course, Alex Petty
[00:01:57] was an agitator who routinely attempted
[00:01:59] to thwart law enforcement on the federal
[00:02:02] level from doing its job and ended up in
[00:02:04] an altercation with Border Patrol
[00:02:07] officers while attempting to obstruct
[00:02:09] the performance of federal law. resisted
[00:02:11] arrest, happened to be carrying a gun at
[00:02:13] the time, which obviously is going to
[00:02:16] raise the chances of a violent incident
[00:02:19] and ended up dead. Those are the facts
[00:02:21] as we see them. And because there is
[00:02:24] this lack of cognitive dissonance,
[00:02:26] because people can't stand it, that all
[00:02:28] these things are true, they end up in
[00:02:30] one of the two competing camps. and the
[00:02:32] left camp which is that Alex Prey was a
[00:02:35] sainted figure in the same way that
[00:02:36] George Floyd had to be a sainted figure
[00:02:38] in the same way that Trayvon Martin had
[00:02:40] to be a sainted figure. It can't just be
[00:02:41] that reality is ugly and messy and bad
[00:02:43] things happen and then we have to
[00:02:46] aortion blame based on who actually is
[00:02:48] responsible for the actions because we
[00:02:51] can't do that anymore. Instead, there's
[00:02:53] this rush to turn Alex into a person who
[00:02:56] is never a threat to law enforcement at
[00:02:58] any point. And that gets messy when
[00:03:00] again it runs up against reality. So
[00:03:03] just to take an example, Anna Navaro
[00:03:05] over on the view. It's not enough for
[00:03:07] her to suggest that Alex Petty's
[00:03:08] shooting may have been unjustified on
[00:03:11] either a moral or illegal level. Anna
[00:03:13] Navaro goes on CNN and she then says
[00:03:16] that everyone would want their daughter
[00:03:18] to date somebody like like Alex Prey.
[00:03:21] Here we go.
[00:03:23] >> They chose to uh they killed the wrong
[00:03:26] guy, right? Because this is the this is
[00:03:28] like the the perfect guy. Alex Patty is
[00:03:30] the guy you would want to date your
[00:03:32] daughter. The one the guy you would want
[00:03:34] your son to grow up to be a decent human
[00:03:37] being who was serving humanity, serving
[00:03:41] sick veterans who is you know there is
[00:03:44] nothing that has been said about that
[00:03:45] man that isn't wonderful. And so they
[00:03:48] can't malign him. They can't malign him
[00:03:52] because we have the videos.
[00:03:55] Now again, it's not about maligning Alex
[00:03:58] Prey. It's about telling the truth about
[00:04:00] the circumstances that ICE is facing on
[00:04:03] the ground. So, new tape has now emerged
[00:04:05] that makes Anna Navaro not look
[00:04:06] particularly intelligent, which again is
[00:04:08] not a very difficult thing to do. This
[00:04:10] is Alex Petty, January 13th. So, a week
[00:04:13] and a half before he was shot to death
[00:04:14] by border patrol agents. And here he
[00:04:16] was. This is not a protest. This is an
[00:04:19] attempt to obstruct federal law
[00:04:20] enforcement. It is him assaulting
[00:04:23] officers. It is him kicking an ICE
[00:04:25] vehicle and knocking out the tail
[00:04:27] lights. Here is the video again
[00:04:28] confirmed by the BBC.
[00:04:31] >> This is a moment the news movement
[00:04:33] filmed on January 13th in Minneapolis
[00:04:35] showing a man who appears to be Alex
[00:04:37] Prey interacting with federal
[00:04:39] immigration agents 11 days before Border
[00:04:42] Patrol shot and killed him.
[00:04:44] >> Our footage was analyzed by ABC whose
[00:04:47] facial regulation technology confirmed
[00:04:49] his identity to a 97% degree of
[00:04:52] accuracy.
[00:04:53] >> [screaming]
[00:04:54] >> And again, this incidentary when you
[00:04:56] first look at it looks almost exactly
[00:04:58] that federal walking a street at the
[00:05:00] corner of East 36 and Park Avenue in
[00:05:02] Minneapolis.
[00:05:04] >> We arrived around 10:15 a.m. We saw
[00:05:07] observers shouting at the agents as they
[00:05:09] walked back to their vehicles. When they
[00:05:11] started driving away, they kicked their
[00:05:13] tail light.
[00:05:14] >> An agent then got out of the vehicle,
[00:05:17] grabbed him, and pushed him to the
[00:05:18] ground.
[00:05:20] [screaming]
[00:05:21] >> Okay. Hey, and as you can see, there are
[00:05:22] actually multiple agents who come over
[00:05:23] to secure him.
[00:05:25] >> He's trying to resist arrest again.
[00:05:28] >> During the altercation, this is a person
[00:05:30] tear gas and pepper balls into the
[00:05:32] crowd.
[00:05:33] >> They continue.
[00:05:36] >> So, during this altercation, he does
[00:05:38] have a gun in his waistband, and he
[00:05:39] doesn't end up shot. He does not end up
[00:05:42] shot in this particular circumstance.
[00:05:43] Okay. So, what does this tape tell us?
[00:05:45] It tells us a few things. One, there is
[00:05:47] some information that ICE may have been
[00:05:48] aware of Alex Prey before he was shot on
[00:05:51] January 24th, as in he had a history
[00:05:53] with law enforcement.
[00:05:55] The question should be raised here. The
[00:05:56] man damaged federal property. He was
[00:05:59] resisting arrest. Why was he still out
[00:06:01] on the streets such that a few days
[00:06:04] later he was being shot to death? Why?
[00:06:06] That is a failure of local law
[00:06:08] enforcement. That is, by the way, a
[00:06:10] failure of federal engagement with local
[00:06:12] law enforcement.
[00:06:14] Why was Alex Prey out doing the exact
[00:06:17] same thing a few days later, obstructing
[00:06:20] federal officers from doing their job?
[00:06:23] Okay, so again, reality is messy. This
[00:06:26] was not a person who just spontaneously
[00:06:28] decided one day that he was going to go
[00:06:30] to a protest and then something terrible
[00:06:32] happened. This is a person who was
[00:06:33] routinely going to altercations with
[00:06:35] federal officers. I mean, the report was
[00:06:37] that apparently his rib was broken
[00:06:39] during this encounter.
[00:06:41] So, he had made a habit out of going to
[00:06:43] these altercations and obstructing
[00:06:45] federal law enforcement and carrying a
[00:06:46] gun while doing it. And so, that does
[00:06:49] change the ICE officer's perception of
[00:06:52] the situation.
[00:06:54] Now, does that mean that Alex Prey was a
[00:06:55] terribly evil human being or that he
[00:06:58] quote unquote deserved what he got?
[00:07:01] Put aside the moral for a second.
[00:07:03] There's going to be a full legal
[00:07:04] investigation by the federal government
[00:07:07] about what agents knew, when they knew
[00:07:09] it, how that shooting unfolded.
[00:07:12] But the point is this, life is a lot
[00:07:14] more complex and nuanced than people
[00:07:16] would like it to be. So why does the
[00:07:18] left have to make it not nuance? Why
[00:07:20] couldn't they just say everything that
[00:07:21] I've just said? Yeah, Alex Patty was a
[00:07:22] person who routinely was agitating, who
[00:07:25] is apparently pretty frequently going to
[00:07:28] ICE operations in an attempt to obstruct
[00:07:29] him, and he was also wrongfully shot.
[00:07:31] Why couldn't they say that? Right? That
[00:07:33] could be the left's case. But the answer
[00:07:34] is that if that's the left's case, then
[00:07:36] that makes ISIS's actions at least
[00:07:38] understandable. Even if the left
[00:07:40] believes they're not justifiable. And if
[00:07:42] that's the case, then you can't do what
[00:07:43] you really want to do, which is portray
[00:07:45] ICE as a bunch of Nazis.
[00:07:47] In order to portray ICE as a bunch of
[00:07:49] Nazis, you have to portray everyone that
[00:07:51] ICE is seeking as an innocent victim.
[00:07:53] You have to portray illegal im
[00:07:55] immigrants as innocent victims. Criminal
[00:07:57] illegal immigrants as victims. Innocent
[00:08:00] victims. people who are obstructing
[00:08:01] federal law enforcement as innocent
[00:08:03] victims, people who assault federal
[00:08:04] officers as in as innocent victims. You
[00:08:07] have to do all of that specifically in
[00:08:09] order to demonize ICE. That is the goal.
[00:08:12] You valorize one side in order to
[00:08:13] demonize the other. That is the game
[00:08:15] that is currently being played by the
[00:08:17] left. And that is how you end up with
[00:08:19] Steven Colbear on national television
[00:08:21] contending that ICE is worse than the
[00:08:23] Nazis. Worse than the Nazis.
[00:08:26] This is insane. Patently insane. Steven
[00:08:30] Coar is a dullard. There's a reason that
[00:08:33] his ratings are not particularly good.
[00:08:34] He stopped telling jokes a long time ago
[00:08:36] and instead went for the claptor,
[00:08:38] meaning the applause of people who are
[00:08:40] like-minded.
[00:08:42] And here he is free to say exactly what
[00:08:45] he wants to say on a national network
[00:08:49] carried by hundreds of affiliates all
[00:08:51] around the country. He is free to say
[00:08:53] exactly, you know, it's a thing that
[00:08:54] didn't happen in Nazi Germany that. And
[00:08:56] here he is comparing ICE agents, the
[00:08:58] people who are charged with enforcing
[00:08:59] immigration law and keeping our streets
[00:09:01] safe from criminality. Here he is
[00:09:03] calling them worse than the Nazis.
[00:09:07] But Veno went on complaining.
[00:09:09] >> Look, Dana, they're they're uh they're
[00:09:11] trying to portray Border Patrol agents
[00:09:13] and ICE agents as Gestapo, Nazi, and
[00:09:17] many other words. Yes, do not compare
[00:09:19] ICE or Border Patrol agents to the
[00:09:21] Nazis. That's an unfair comparison. The
[00:09:23] Nazis were willing to show their faces.
[00:09:27] Okay, that's insane. That is an insane,
[00:09:29] insane statement by Steven Cobear. And
[00:09:32] honestly, whatever Jimmy Kimmel said
[00:09:34] that got him thrown off the air by
[00:09:35] affiliates, what Steven Cobar said there
[00:09:37] is a thousand times worse. Truly much,
[00:09:39] much worse than what Jimmy Kimmel said.
[00:09:42] Okay, Steven Cobar suggesting that ICE
[00:09:44] is worse than the Nazis not only
[00:09:46] degrades what the Nazis actually did,
[00:09:48] but also it turns our ICE agents into
[00:09:50] targets. Because they're not just Nazis,
[00:09:52] they're worse than the Nazis. And if you
[00:09:53] spot a person who is worse than the
[00:09:55] Nazis with guns in your neighborhood
[00:09:57] attempting to affffectuate the unlawful
[00:10:00] detention or arrest of innocent people,
[00:10:03] what are you supposed to do? That's why
[00:10:05] this language is really ugly and
[00:10:07] dangerous. It's why when you have
[00:10:09] members of the Democratic party calling
[00:10:10] ICE Gestapo like when you suggest, as
[00:10:14] Tim Walls did, that illegal immigrants
[00:10:16] are basically like Anne Frank in
[00:10:17] Minneapolis right now. When you do that
[00:10:19] sort of thing, you are ramping up the
[00:10:21] temperature. Now again, acts of violence
[00:10:23] are on those who perform them, not
[00:10:25] people who say dumb things. But saying
[00:10:27] dumb things ramps up the temperature.
[00:10:29] And pretending it has no impact on our
[00:10:31] public discourse or the actions of
[00:10:32] people like an Alex Prey who goes out
[00:10:35] and leaves his job as an ICU nurse that
[00:10:37] day in order to go and agitate and kick
[00:10:40] in the lights on vehicles or or to quote
[00:10:43] unquote monitor federal agents and
[00:10:44] obstruct their operations and then
[00:10:46] resist arrest.
[00:10:47] If you don't want those violent
[00:10:48] incidents to happen, perhaps you should
[00:10:50] stop lying to the American people about
[00:10:52] what ICE is doing and who they are.
[00:10:55] And I understand the necessity for
[00:10:56] virtue signaling on the part of our
[00:10:58] celebrity class. But it's really
[00:10:59] damaging. It is a massive problem
[00:11:00] because people embibe this nonsense.
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[00:12:17] Springsteen, who hasn't written a great
[00:12:19] song in several decades at this point,
[00:12:21] actually released a new song about ICE
[00:12:23] and Minneapolis called Streets of
[00:12:25] Minneapolis. It is not good. Here's what
[00:12:27] it sounds like.
[00:12:29] >> King Trump's private [music]
[00:12:31] army from the DHS.
[00:12:34] Guns belted to their coats.
[00:12:38] Came to Minneapolis to enforce the law.
[00:12:43] Or so their [music]
[00:12:44] story goes.
[00:12:47] And there were bloody footprints
[00:12:51] where mercy [music] should have stood
[00:12:56] and two dead left to die on snow filled
[00:12:59] streets. [music] I look pretty and rene
[00:13:06] [music]
[00:13:06] I hear [singing] your voice
[00:13:10] through the [music] bloody mist.
[00:13:15] [music]
[00:13:15] >> This is really bad
[00:13:17] and I'm sorry this is [music] wow
[00:13:24] they bloodiness
[00:13:27] rhymes. I can't deal with lyrics. Also,
[00:13:31] it's Oh, man. Man, I some some artists
[00:13:34] are past their prime. Bruce Springsteen
[00:13:36] is not just past his prime. If he were a
[00:13:38] if he were a carton of milk, Bruce
[00:13:41] Springsteen would be fossilized cottage
[00:13:42] cheese at this point. My goodness, he is
[00:13:45] past his expiration date. But that sort
[00:13:48] of narrative that essentially have
[00:13:50] occupation armies that have settled on
[00:13:52] Minneapolis streets with the bloodied
[00:13:53] snow and their guns belted to their
[00:13:56] coats. First of all, you don't belt a
[00:13:58] gun to your coat. That would be a weird
[00:13:59] thing to do. Why would you belt a gun to
[00:14:00] your coat? Anyway, it's like that that
[00:14:04] sort of narrative is really Yeah, it
[00:14:06] does bleed down into the body politic
[00:14:09] and it leads to lines like this from
[00:14:10] Gian Carlo Espazito, best known as Gus
[00:14:14] from Breaking Bad, suggesting that it's
[00:14:18] time for a revolution. By by the way,
[00:14:19] the revolution will not be led by people
[00:14:21] who wear glasses like this. I'm just
[00:14:22] going to point out if you are wearing
[00:14:24] these Bizarro World
[00:14:27] glasses from the Incredibles
[00:14:32] then and and and a scarf and a hat that
[00:14:35] looks like you picked it up in a blues
[00:14:37] club in 1962.
[00:14:39] If you're wearing Edna Mode's glasses
[00:14:41] from the Incredibles, you're not going
[00:14:42] to be leading the revolution.
[00:14:44] >> This is time for a revolution.
[00:14:47] >> It's time for it. And they don't even
[00:14:48] know that's what they're starting. you
[00:14:50] know, some very rich old white men are
[00:14:53] um exerting their power to suppress um
[00:14:57] our own people, thus creating a feeling
[00:15:00] of civil war in the streets, preparing
[00:15:04] the hate uh the haters to hate, teaching
[00:15:07] them how to shoot. They're not even
[00:15:08] trained, right? To kill. This is all a
[00:15:11] preparation for a very insidious
[00:15:13] um uh problem that's happening in our
[00:15:16] world. Uh, and for me, um, I I have to
[00:15:20] speak out that we're we we will not be
[00:15:22] iced out. This is not going to happen.
[00:15:26] They can't take us all down. If the
[00:15:28] whole world showed up on on Putin's
[00:15:30] doorstep or on the Iranians doorstep or
[00:15:33] in Washington, it would stop. They
[00:15:35] they'll kill a 550 million, however. But
[00:15:39] the rest of us would survive with a new
[00:15:42] we have [laughter] this is time for a
[00:15:43] revolution.
[00:15:45] >> It's time for it. and they don't even
[00:15:46] know that's what they're starting.
[00:15:48] >> I noticed he's not leading a violent
[00:15:50] revolution himself. He's standing in
[00:15:51] Hollywood at some sort of premiere again
[00:15:53] wearing Edna Mod's glasses and a hat
[00:15:56] that he took off of a a hipster in 1962
[00:15:59] and telling us that it's white men at
[00:16:00] the head of By the way, we should note
[00:16:02] at this point that Border Patrol and ICE
[00:16:03] are disproportionately Hispanic just in
[00:16:05] terms of the actual agents.
[00:16:07] Approximately 50 to 54% of Border Patrol
[00:16:11] agents are Hispanic and at least 30% of
[00:16:15] ICE agents are Hispanic and another 15
[00:16:19] to 17% are black. So you've picked the
[00:16:22] wrong agencies, my friend. I also love
[00:16:24] the logic from people who will not
[00:16:25] actually do the hard work of starting
[00:16:27] the revol. Well, if all of us charged
[00:16:28] Putin all at once, it it was not this
[00:16:32] kind of strategy that led to Gus Fring
[00:16:33] being good at his job in Breaking Bad.
[00:16:35] the if we all charge Putin's palace at
[00:16:38] once, it would probably be fine. Is a
[00:16:39] hell of a take. That is one hell of a
[00:16:42] take. Okay, then. But again, in order to
[00:16:45] drive this sort of stupidity, you have
[00:16:47] to have this binary narrative where
[00:16:48] everyone who's being sought by ICE is
[00:16:50] good. Everyone who obstructs ICE is not
[00:16:53] just good and innocent, but a martyr to
[00:16:55] the cause. And ICE agents then become
[00:16:58] Nazis. Well, the Trump administration
[00:17:00] has been shifting tactics and so they
[00:17:02] sent Tom Hman from Department of
[00:17:04] Homeland Security. The border is ours.
[00:17:06] He doesn't actually have a secretari. He
[00:17:08] should. It is my informed opinion that
[00:17:10] Christine Nome should go and Tom Hman
[00:17:11] should take her place. In any case, Tom
[00:17:13] H. Home. Home. Home. Home. Home. Home.
[00:17:13] Home. Home. Home. Homeman was sent to
[00:17:14] Minneapolis to try to bro to broker with
[00:17:16] the Minneapolis city government. And
[00:17:18] he's attempting to reach some sort of
[00:17:20] agreement with the casually nutty Jacob
[00:17:24] Fry, the Minneapolis mayor. He seems to
[00:17:27] have come to some sort of soft agreement
[00:17:29] on on a couple of key terms.
[00:17:33] >> Cities are sanctuaries for criminals and
[00:17:36] endangers the residents of the
[00:17:38] community.
[00:17:41] To be clear, we did not agree with
[00:17:44] Minnesota state and local officials
[00:17:47] that they would be involved in
[00:17:49] immigration enforcement. I didn't ask
[00:17:51] them to be immigration officers. I'm
[00:17:53] asking them to be cops working with the
[00:17:54] cops. to help us take criminal aliens
[00:17:56] off the street.
[00:18:00] What we did agree upon
[00:18:04] is not to release public safety arrests
[00:18:06] back in the community and they could be
[00:18:08] lawfully transferred ICE. I'll speak
[00:18:10] more about that.
[00:18:13] I will highlight that the Minnesota
[00:18:15] State Prison System under the Department
[00:18:17] of Corrections have been honoring ICE
[00:18:20] detainers
[00:18:22] and we appreciate the important
[00:18:23] collaboration and we're going to expand
[00:18:25] upon that.
[00:18:28] Okay, so number one, I just want to
[00:18:30] point out Tom Hman's affect because it's
[00:18:32] actually how law enforcement should
[00:18:34] typically approach their jobs in PR
[00:18:36] positions. They shouldn't be out there
[00:18:37] making inflammatory statements. They
[00:18:39] shouldn't be wearing costumes. They
[00:18:40] should just walk out and they should
[00:18:41] casually explain how they are going to
[00:18:42] enforce the law. Tom Hman is good at
[00:18:44] this. Some of the other people who have
[00:18:45] been trotted out by the Trump
[00:18:46] administration are not and that does
[00:18:48] make a difference in ensuring public
[00:18:50] trust. What he is saying there seems to
[00:18:53] be that they can agree with county
[00:18:57] officials, not local officials, but
[00:18:59] county officials that if somebody is
[00:19:01] arrested on a state level crime and goes
[00:19:02] to county jail, that those people at
[00:19:05] county will now inform ICE. So that is a
[00:19:08] difference typically from sanctuary
[00:19:09] state policies in which county jails
[00:19:12] very often do not inform ICE or they
[00:19:15] only inform ICE after the person has not
[00:19:17] only been arrested and jailed but
[00:19:19] convicted and goes to prison. Right?
[00:19:21] That's what Hman is talking about at the
[00:19:22] end there where he says that state
[00:19:24] prisons do coordinate with ICE that if
[00:19:26] somebody serves out a sentence for that
[00:19:28] at the end of that sentence ICE is
[00:19:29] informed and the person is taken and
[00:19:31] then deported. He's saying that now
[00:19:32] needs to be expanded to people
[00:19:34] presumably who are arrested and put in
[00:19:35] county jail awaiting trial. Homeman also
[00:19:38] went out of his way to suggest that
[00:19:39] actually the discussions are worthwhile.
[00:19:41] That when you have sides that are at
[00:19:43] odds, the best thing to do is to at
[00:19:44] least talk about it. Here he was
[00:19:47] >> in my meetings with folks so far
[00:19:51] and most importantly governor and the AG
[00:19:53] to Mayor Fry.
[00:19:56] We didn't agree on everything.
[00:19:59] I didn't expect to agree on anything.
[00:20:01] I've heard many people want to know why
[00:20:03] we're talking to people who they don't
[00:20:05] consider friends administration. Bottom
[00:20:08] line is you can't fix problems if you
[00:20:11] don't have discussions.
[00:20:14] I didn't come to Minnesota for photo ops
[00:20:17] or headlines. You haven't seen me. I
[00:20:20] came here to seek solutions and that's
[00:20:22] what we're going to do. And we we we we
[00:20:25] we come a long ways and we got some good
[00:20:28] wins for the people of Minnesota, I
[00:20:30] think, and for the administration and
[00:20:33] for the safety security of this city.
[00:20:36] >> I mean, slow clap for the professional
[00:20:38] in the room. How about some more adults
[00:20:39] in the room? That would be good on all
[00:20:41] sides of the aisle. More adults in the
[00:20:42] room like Tom Hman would be a very, very
[00:20:44] good thing. President Trump for his part
[00:20:46] suggested that Jacob Fry is playing with
[00:20:48] fire because the performance artist
[00:20:50] Minneapolis mayor who spends all day
[00:20:53] trying to find protesters to whom to bow
[00:20:56] the knee continues to make a mockery of
[00:20:58] law and order in his own city. President
[00:20:59] Trump put out a statement surprisingly
[00:21:00] make up Jay Fry just stated that
[00:21:02] Minneapolis does not and will not
[00:21:04] enforce federal immigration laws. This
[00:21:06] is after having had a very good
[00:21:07] conversation with him. Could somebody in
[00:21:08] his inner sanctum please explain that
[00:21:10] this statement is a very serious
[00:21:11] violation of the law and that he is
[00:21:13] playing with fire. Now again, Fry can
[00:21:14] say that it's not his job to enforce
[00:21:16] federal law because of course local and
[00:21:18] state authorities do not enforce federal
[00:21:20] law. But that is not what Fry is doing.
[00:21:22] What he is saying is that if somebody is
[00:21:23] arrested at the local level, they will
[00:21:25] not inform ICE. Fry then came back at
[00:21:28] President Trump, quote, "The job of our
[00:21:29] police is to keep people safe, not
[00:21:31] enforce fed immigration laws. I want
[00:21:33] them preventing homicides, not hunting
[00:21:34] down a working dad who contributes to
[00:21:36] MLS and is from Ecuador. It's similar to
[00:21:38] the policy your guy Rudy had in New York
[00:21:39] City. Everyone should feel safe calling
[00:21:41] 911." Now again, Fry's statement there
[00:21:45] which is that they shouldn't be
[00:21:47] enforcing immigrant. No one is calling
[00:21:48] on them to actually go out and arrest
[00:21:50] illegal immigrants. That that is IC's
[00:21:52] job. What they are saying is that if you
[00:21:54] arrest somebody for a in Minneapolis and
[00:21:57] they end up in the local jail,
[00:22:00] then somebody from the Huskow should
[00:22:01] call ICE and say, "Hey, this guy's an
[00:22:03] illegal immigrant. Maybe you want to
[00:22:04] deport him."
[00:22:07] So, by by the way, his reference to Rudy
[00:22:09] Giuliani's policy is a little different.
[00:22:13] Rudy Giuliani wanted there not to be
[00:22:15] reports from law enforcement to the feds
[00:22:18] if somebody had an interaction
[00:22:22] that was noncriminal in nature. So, they
[00:22:24] got pulled over for a for a speeding
[00:22:27] offense or something or they reported a
[00:22:29] crime. That was sort of the idea. Not
[00:22:32] that somebody gets arrested for rape and
[00:22:34] now you just don't call the ICE.
[00:22:37] Again, Giuliani allowed reporting to ICE
[00:22:39] if an individual is suspected of
[00:22:40] criminal activity, including
[00:22:41] misdemeanors.
[00:22:44] So, which will win out, the performative
[00:22:46] or the real? That is the big question.
[00:22:49] Now, in other localities, the
[00:22:50] performative seems to be winning out.
[00:22:51] That is true apparently in New York as
[00:22:53] well as in Chicago. So in New York,
[00:22:56] Mayor Zoron Mdani, who is here to take
[00:22:59] all of your money and also release all
[00:23:01] your criminals, and he's running out of
[00:23:03] money, he says that ICE does nothing to
[00:23:05] serve the public interest.
[00:23:08] We keep making the case directly,
[00:23:10] directly to the president, directly to
[00:23:12] New Yorkers, to Americans, that these
[00:23:14] kinds of actions, they are the actions
[00:23:16] of a reckless agency that is operating
[00:23:18] with impunity, one that deserves to be
[00:23:20] abolished, frankly, and that they do
[00:23:22] nothing to actually serve public
[00:23:23] interest.
[00:23:26] And that is um they they do nothing like
[00:23:29] literally nothing to ser I mean I can
[00:23:30] think of somebody who does nothing to
[00:23:31] serve the public interest. It might be
[00:23:32] the guy who's been mooching his entire
[00:23:34] life and somehow got elected mayor of
[00:23:37] New York thereby to undermine every
[00:23:40] aspect of a working city. Speaking of
[00:23:43] mayors who are doing that, Mayor Brandon
[00:23:44] Johnson in Chicago who has an approval
[00:23:46] rating lower than colon cancer. He's out
[00:23:50] there praising Walls and Fry for
[00:23:52] disobeying federal law or or failing to
[00:23:55] work with ICE.
[00:23:57] >> The way the governor,
[00:24:00] the attorney general, and the mayor have
[00:24:01] handled this situation
[00:24:04] and and this
[00:24:07] brutality and cruelty. It's just
[00:24:10] absolutely remarkable. And I I know it's
[00:24:12] not easy for them. You know, you know,
[00:24:15] AG Ellis and Governor Walls and and
[00:24:17] Mayor Fry, they they have
[00:24:19] been firm in in their position and their
[00:24:21] standing and and that's that's critical.
[00:24:25] >> Speaking of which, he like Anna Navaro
[00:24:28] or like Steven Colbear or like half the
[00:24:30] rest of the Democratic party is now
[00:24:31] comparing Gregory Bovino of Border
[00:24:33] Patrol to Adolf Hitler.
[00:24:36] As it relates to Gregory Bavino, we've
[00:24:38] seen examples of other forms of tyranny
[00:24:42] that have led to concentration camps in
[00:24:45] the annihilation or the attempt
[00:24:47] annihilation of
[00:24:49] people groups. I I I I I only elevate
[00:24:54] that because I don't want my next
[00:24:57] response to to to not be associated with
[00:25:01] the severity of who he is. And that's
[00:25:04] why whether it's lit litigation, whether
[00:25:08] it's press conferences,
[00:25:10] whether it's legislation, the next step
[00:25:13] that we're going to have to try, and I'm
[00:25:16] committed to doing this, of how to set
[00:25:18] up a pathway for someone like Gregory
[00:25:20] Beino to be prosecuted.
[00:25:25] >> So, he wants Bavino prosecuted, wants
[00:25:27] everybody prosecuted. By the way, you
[00:25:28] know who he doesn't want prosecuted?
[00:25:29] Illegal immigrants. He doesn't want them
[00:25:31] to be ejected at all. In fact, he says
[00:25:33] the city of Chicago will go out of its
[00:25:34] way to protect illegal immigrants.
[00:25:37] >> I leaned heavily on other cities
[00:25:40] responses like Los Angeles Mayor Karen
[00:25:43] Bass shared her experience governing
[00:25:45] while the city was in Trump's
[00:25:47] crosshairs.
[00:25:49] We've been in regular communication both
[00:25:51] at the executive level and the staff
[00:25:53] level uh with uh cities like Minneapolis
[00:25:56] and Portland, Oakland, Boston, and
[00:25:58] Denver, and Baltimore to learn from each
[00:26:01] other's experiences and develop
[00:26:02] strategies to protect our constituents.
[00:26:05] One common thread is the importance of
[00:26:08] spreading know your rights and family
[00:26:11] preparedness information so that
[00:26:12] communities understand what their legal
[00:26:14] rights are under the law regardless of
[00:26:17] their immigration status.
[00:26:20] Now again, if you wonder why places like
[00:26:22] New York City, places like Chicago,
[00:26:24] places like Minneapolis are going to
[00:26:26] have more confrontations with ICE,
[00:26:28] that's because if ICE just tries to do
[00:26:29] its job in these places, it is very
[00:26:31] likely there will be more
[00:26:32] confrontations. Meanwhile, Senate
[00:26:33] Democrats are laying out their demands
[00:26:35] for an overhaul of immigration
[00:26:37] enforcement, including mandating the use
[00:26:38] of body cameras and ending roving
[00:26:40] patrols, according to the Wall Street
[00:26:41] Journal, days ahead of a deadline to
[00:26:43] pass a $ 1.3 trillion package of
[00:26:46] spending bills that would avert a
[00:26:47] partial government shutdown. Democrats
[00:26:49] say they are willing to provide the
[00:26:50] votes needed to pass five of the six
[00:26:52] bills included in the package, but only
[00:26:54] if Republicans rework DHS funding. They
[00:26:57] want these new restrictions in law.
[00:26:59] Chuck Schumer is spelling out what he
[00:27:02] wants. He says that he's perfectly
[00:27:04] willing to shut down the government
[00:27:07] overfunding for DHS. Here is the Senate
[00:27:09] Minority Leader.
[00:27:11] >> Until ICE is properly reigned in and
[00:27:13] overhauled, the DHS funding bill doesn't
[00:27:15] have the votes to pass the Senate. Let
[00:27:17] me say that again so the White House
[00:27:20] hears it. Until ICE is properly reigned
[00:27:23] in and overhauled
[00:27:25] legislatively,
[00:27:27] the DHS funding bill doesn't have the
[00:27:30] votes to pass the Senate. Now, Leader
[00:27:33] Thun knows that, and so I urge Leader
[00:27:36] Thun not to put all six bills, including
[00:27:38] DHS, on the floor, but rather split them
[00:27:41] so we can focus on what we can pass
[00:27:43] right now. Time is short. We shouldn't
[00:27:47] waste time on failed votes right now or
[00:27:49] else the government will shut down. I
[00:27:52] know both sides recognize we need to act
[00:27:54] in response to the awful tragedies that
[00:27:56] have taken place in Minneapolis
[00:27:59] and senators Democrat and Republican are
[00:28:01] talking and sharing ideas. But given how
[00:28:04] little time we have left before the
[00:28:06] funding deadline, the first right step
[00:28:08] for the Senate is for Leader Thun to
[00:28:11] split the funding bills and put the five
[00:28:13] bills on the floor. 96% of federal
[00:28:16] funding that can pass.
[00:28:19] >> So again, their demands apparently are
[00:28:21] they want to end roving patrols, meaning
[00:28:22] ICE goes around, they see somebody who
[00:28:25] looks like an illegal immigrant, they're
[00:28:26] in a place where illegal immigrants
[00:28:28] congregate or whatever, they want ICE
[00:28:29] not to be able to do that. They want to
[00:28:31] tighten the rules governing warrants.
[00:28:32] That's going to be a big one. As we
[00:28:33] discussed, if their claim is that they
[00:28:35] are going to make it so you can only
[00:28:36] arrest someone on the basis of a
[00:28:38] judicial warrant, basically ICE actions
[00:28:40] all over the country come to a halt. So,
[00:28:42] we need serious clarification on that.
[00:28:44] And they want to require that ICE
[00:28:45] coordinate with state and local law
[00:28:47] enforcement. Well, I mean, the problem
[00:28:49] with ICE being forced to coordinate with
[00:28:51] state and local law enforcement is is
[00:28:53] just as state and local law enforcement
[00:28:55] cannot be cudgled into doing the work of
[00:28:57] ICE, ICE cannot be cudgled into not
[00:28:58] doing its work because state and local
[00:29:00] law enforcement don't want them to do
[00:29:02] so. They want federal agents to be held
[00:29:04] to the same use of force policies
[00:29:06] applying to other police forces and be
[00:29:08] held accountable through violations. Now
[00:29:10] again, that seems relatively benign. And
[00:29:13] then they want agents to be prohibited
[00:29:15] from wearing masks. Well, again, the
[00:29:16] reason that they're wearing masks is
[00:29:18] because of the targeting of the agents
[00:29:19] by the online mob. Right now, Democrats
[00:29:22] really, again, this is performative in
[00:29:24] the Nth DHS will be funded, but they
[00:29:26] want to score some points by yelling at
[00:29:27] ICE. Elizabeth Warren,
[00:29:30] it is amazing how Elizabeth Warren
[00:29:31] morphed from a relatively interesting
[00:29:33] person back in the early 2000s when I
[00:29:35] knew her. was at Harvard Law School at
[00:29:36] the same time that she was and she was
[00:29:38] writing books that that had kind of
[00:29:40] interesting takes and and now she's just
[00:29:42] a wrote left-wing radical. And here she
[00:29:46] is saying hell no on ICE funding.
[00:29:49] This invasion by ICE is not making
[00:29:52] anyone in America safer. And if we don't
[00:29:56] put a stop to it, these masked agents
[00:29:59] are going to kill more people. Donald
[00:30:02] Trump wants us to write another check,
[00:30:06] hand it over to ICE, and let him keep
[00:30:09] rolling in the dough. But here is my
[00:30:12] view. I am a no. I am a hell no. We
[00:30:17] cannot give one more penny to Trump's
[00:30:21] ICE while its masked, poorly trained
[00:30:24] agents terrorize people all across this
[00:30:28] country.
[00:30:31] Meanwhile, Raphael Waro, senator from
[00:30:33] Georgia, he's openly telling protesters
[00:30:35] to keep it up. And again, the line
[00:30:38] between the protesters and the agitators
[00:30:39] has blurred pretty significantly here.
[00:30:43] They they are shifting the narrative by
[00:30:46] continuing to stand day in and day out.
[00:30:48] They are using uh the instruments of
[00:30:51] democracy, the voices of people. They
[00:30:53] are bearing witness with cell phone
[00:30:56] cameras. Uh, and it is making a
[00:30:59] difference. Now, I'm not naive about
[00:31:01] what the Trump advance regime is up to.
[00:31:04] They they're they they would like to
[00:31:06] make a a small change here or gesture
[00:31:10] there and they're hoping that the people
[00:31:12] will let up. Well, I'm saying to the
[00:31:14] folks not only there, but all across the
[00:31:16] country, we cannot afford to let up. Uh,
[00:31:19] we we need to the voices of the people
[00:31:21] now more than ever uh to pull us back
[00:31:25] from the brink. uh and to make sure that
[00:31:28] we have a democracy here for our
[00:31:29] children.
[00:31:32] >> I mean, again, this is Democrats ramping
[00:31:35] it up. They're constantly ramping it up.
[00:31:37] Hakeem Jeff, the House Minority Leader,
[00:31:39] might be Speaker of the House after the
[00:31:41] next midterm if those elections go the
[00:31:42] wrong way. He says that even if Christy
[00:31:44] Gnome at DHS is fired, that won't stop a
[00:31:46] shutdown.
[00:31:48] >> Christy Gnome uh being fired or removed
[00:31:51] from office is of course not enough.
[00:31:53] It's a start. Well, there's a variety of
[00:31:55] different things that have been put on
[00:31:56] the table. First of all, there's the
[00:31:58] basic value and principle that taxpayer
[00:32:01] dollars can't be used to kill American
[00:32:03] citizens.
[00:32:06] Um, taxpayer dollars are not being used
[00:32:08] to kill American citizens. When there's
[00:32:10] a disputed circumstance in which someone
[00:32:12] obstructs federal law enforcement, that
[00:32:13] is not taxpayer dollars being used to
[00:32:15] subsidize pure murder. Pure murder is
[00:32:18] prosecuted in this country. Again, the
[00:32:21] only sane Democrat seems to be as
[00:32:22] always, Senator John Federman of
[00:32:24] Pennsylvania. Here he was yesterday
[00:32:26] saying, "Hey, you know, maybe we should
[00:32:27] stop comparing ICE agents to Nazis."
[00:32:30] >> That's gross. And that I absolutely
[00:32:32] condemn that. Absolutely. Do not compare
[00:32:36] anyone anyone to Nazis. Don't use that
[00:32:38] kind of rhetoric. You know, that can
[00:32:40] incite violence. And now that's I
[00:32:44] strongly reject that and condemn that
[00:32:46] kind of language in the strongest terms.
[00:32:48] you know, members of ICE are not Nazis.
[00:32:50] I don't compare anyone to Gestapo and
[00:32:52] those things. You know, this is one of
[00:32:54] the reasons why I think we should stand
[00:32:56] down in what's happening in Minneapolis.
[00:32:58] You know, we all have to reduce the
[00:33:00] temperature. We have to to turn it down.
[00:33:02] And using that kinds of rhetoric, you
[00:33:05] know, again, I can't ever support that.
[00:33:07] And I I have a basic rule in politics.
[00:33:10] Don't compare anyone to Nazis. I don't
[00:33:13] care. And you just don't do that. These
[00:33:15] are not Nazis.
[00:33:18] Why this basic rational perspective is
[00:33:21] now being ignored by wide swaths of
[00:33:23] people is absolutely beyond me. Except
[00:33:24] for again, people require their black
[00:33:27] and white political narratives and
[00:33:28] anything that messes with that makes
[00:33:30] them very, very uncomfortable. Well,
[00:33:32] speaking of stupid people in the Senate,
[00:33:34] many of them decided to make a spectacle
[00:33:36] of themselves yesterday when they had
[00:33:39] Secretary of State Marco Rubio to the
[00:33:41] Hill. So he's giving congressional
[00:33:43] testimony about Venezuela before the
[00:33:45] Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
[00:33:47] Secretary Rubio is very very good at his
[00:33:49] job. So many of these senators are not.
[00:33:52] One one of the amazing things about
[00:33:54] American politics is how many Americans
[00:33:56] believe that there are true conspiracies
[00:33:58] operating at a high level in American
[00:34:00] politics on the regular. All you have to
[00:34:02] do is meet our senators and congress
[00:34:04] people on the regular in order to know
[00:34:05] how dumb this is. The reason being
[00:34:08] politics is significantly more like VEP
[00:34:09] than it is like House of Cards. The
[00:34:11] notion that there are people behind
[00:34:12] closed doors pulling off sophisticated
[00:34:14] plans, pretty rare. Pretty rare because
[00:34:18] most people are not particularly smart.
[00:34:20] And that apparently is even more true in
[00:34:22] the United States Senate. Well, the
[00:34:23] hearing kicked off with the usual round
[00:34:25] of protesting and screaming. Here was
[00:34:27] one protester getting up and yelling at
[00:34:29] Marco Rubio and then being escorted from
[00:34:31] the room.
[00:34:35] >> All right, here we go.
[00:34:39] >> You know the drill. off to jail.
[00:34:41] >> That's a war crime.
[00:34:42] >> That's a one-year ban from the
[00:34:44] committee.
[00:34:45] >> Anyone who is a persistent violator will
[00:34:48] be banned for three years. So, don't
[00:34:50] know whether the guy falls in that
[00:34:51] category. He looks like it. I hope after
[00:34:53] 3 years, he'll find a more productive
[00:34:55] means of employment.
[00:34:58] >> And by the way, I do have to enjoy that
[00:35:00] there is a protester who's saying,
[00:35:01] "Hands off Venezuela, hands off Cuba." I
[00:35:03] mean, man, you have lost your mind when
[00:35:05] you are protesting in favor of the
[00:35:07] Venezuelan communist regime and the
[00:35:08] Cuban communist regime, which have
[00:35:10] reduced
[00:35:11] literally tens of millions of people to
[00:35:13] penorary poverty and death. Just genius
[00:35:15] level stuff right there. Well, Tammy
[00:35:17] Duckworth, who is not one of the sharper
[00:35:19] tools in the drawer over in the over in
[00:35:23] the Senate, she had a bit of a tetatet
[00:35:25] with Secretary of State Rubio on whether
[00:35:29] war needed to be declared in order to
[00:35:30] perform strikes on drug boats in the
[00:35:33] Caribbean.
[00:35:36] >> These non-state actors who possess
[00:35:38] state-like capabilities in terms of
[00:35:40] their weaponry pose a grave danger to
[00:35:41] the United States. I don't think any
[00:35:43] American would think that we have
[00:35:45] cartels that pose a threat to the
[00:35:46] national security
[00:35:47] >> all of the other laws of when it comes
[00:35:50] to warfare. I mean, you're you're you're
[00:35:52] saying that he can invoke
[00:35:56] this wartime power.
[00:35:58] >> No, I'm saying you're asking me I I'm
[00:36:00] here to discuss foreign policy and
[00:36:02] what's in the realm of the Department of
[00:36:03] State. You question better direct
[00:36:05] invoking the enemies act which is a
[00:36:07] wartime which is something that
[00:36:10] can be invoked during wartime only
[00:36:12] during the war of 1812 world war I and
[00:36:14] world war ii three times and this
[00:36:17] president is invoking it.
[00:36:19] >> Okay. You're asking me a question about
[00:36:20] the domestic application of a law that's
[00:36:22] best direct
[00:36:25] because you're asking me something to
[00:36:26] opine on something that's in the realm
[00:36:28] of the department of justice in terms of
[00:36:29] its domestic application. I can tell you
[00:36:31] that the United States is most certainly
[00:36:34] confronting terrorist and criminal
[00:36:36] organizations operating in our
[00:36:37] hemisphere that pose a grave danger to
[00:36:39] the United States. Anyone who believes
[00:36:40] that gangs that flood our country with
[00:36:42] fentanyl or cocaine are not threats to
[00:36:44] the United States is not living in
[00:36:45] reality and certainly does not reflect
[00:36:46] the opinion of most Americans.
[00:36:50] >> Man owned owned Tammy Duckworth trying
[00:36:53] to go after him with domestic
[00:36:55] application of law. He's the secretary
[00:36:58] of state. Clearly, she again not not not
[00:37:01] the brightest contingent over in the
[00:37:03] Senate. Meanwhile, Senator Chris Van
[00:37:05] Holland, who is just a mockery, and
[00:37:08] every time you see him, you're like,
[00:37:09] "This guy, it's not possible for him to
[00:37:10] become more of a cucumber with
[00:37:11] eyeballs." And yet, there he is becoming
[00:37:13] more of a cucumber with eyeballs.
[00:37:15] Straight from the garden, Senator Chris
[00:37:17] Van Holland of Maryland, who when he is
[00:37:20] not spending his free time hanging out
[00:37:22] with alleged domestic abusers in El
[00:37:24] Salvador, is in the Senate asking dumb
[00:37:26] questions. Here he was suggesting that
[00:37:28] it was oil executives pushing the change
[00:37:30] in Venezuela.
[00:37:32] >> Mr. Secretary, simple yes or no
[00:37:34] question. Were you with President Trump
[00:37:36] during any of those conversations he had
[00:37:39] with with people with oil interests in
[00:37:42] Venezuela about the possibility of
[00:37:44] deposing Maduro?
[00:37:45] >> That that's not a simple yes or no
[00:37:47] question, but I can I can answer it
[00:37:48] quickly. And that is the president
[00:37:50] always elicits opinions from all sorts
[00:37:52] of people, including for example,
[00:37:53] Chevron has an active license in
[00:37:55] Venezuela. They operate in Venezuela.
[00:37:57] They they've been doing so even when the
[00:37:59] sanctions were in place. So of course
[00:38:00] you would ask Chevron, what is your
[00:38:02] opinion of Deli Rodriguez? What are your
[00:38:04] opinion of their economy and their
[00:38:05] prospect? But the notion that somehow
[00:38:07] the president authorized this challenge
[00:38:08] at the urging of oil executives is
[00:38:10] absurd. That never happened.
[00:38:12] >> Mr. Secretary, I'm I'm asking whether
[00:38:14] you were with the president.
[00:38:15] >> That never happened. I couldn't be with
[00:38:17] him because it never happened. This this
[00:38:18] the oil executives were not involved
[00:38:20] whatsoever in any of the planning on
[00:38:22] this matter.
[00:38:25] And uh and there he is being a cucumber.
[00:38:27] Senator Chris Van Holland. I mean again,
[00:38:29] if you're going to ask a questions which
[00:38:31] you don't already know the answer,
[00:38:32] you're doing it wrong. That is the first
[00:38:34] rule of lawyering. Don't ask questions
[00:38:36] which you don't already know the answer.
[00:38:39] Uh Secretary of State Rubio went on to
[00:38:42] make clear that criminal organizations
[00:38:44] are endemic to the Caribbean, Central
[00:38:46] America, South America.
[00:38:49] We have a real reality in our region of
[00:38:52] these trans national criminal terrorist
[00:38:55] organizations that in many cases possess
[00:38:57] weapons that you ascribe to a nation
[00:38:59] state, not to a gang who pose a grave
[00:39:03] threat to the national security of the
[00:39:04] United States, but also to the stability
[00:39:06] of the region. If you walk through the
[00:39:07] region, what is the primary threat in
[00:39:09] Colombia? Transnational criminal
[00:39:10] organizations. What is the threat to
[00:39:11] Mexico? What is the threat to the
[00:39:13] Caribbean basin? These groups have to be
[00:39:14] confronted. They have to be confronted
[00:39:16] forcefully. What's the threat in Haiti
[00:39:18] to systemic collapse? And that is these
[00:39:20] criminal gangs that basically control
[00:39:22] territory and threaten the the ability
[00:39:24] to even form a government there in that
[00:39:26] regard. So, it's endemic throughout the
[00:39:28] region. And it ultimately impacts the
[00:39:30] United States through mass migration,
[00:39:31] through drug trafficking, and other
[00:39:33] related criminal organizations. And so,
[00:39:34] we need to have a force posture that can
[00:39:36] confront that.
[00:39:39] Now, Senator Ran Paul on the Republican
[00:39:40] side of the aisle, he is a thoroughgoing
[00:39:42] isolationist. And he went after Marco
[00:39:44] Rubio over the Venezuela operation,
[00:39:47] calling it unconstitutional. And
[00:39:49] Secretary of State Rubio rebuffed him
[00:39:50] pretty strongly.
[00:39:53] >> If a foreign country bombed our air
[00:39:55] defense missiles, captured and removed
[00:39:58] our president, and blockaded our
[00:39:59] country, would that be considered an act
[00:40:02] of war? Well, I think your question is
[00:40:03] about the and I will acknowledge you've
[00:40:06] been very consistent on all these points
[00:40:07] the entire career. So, um, let me let me
[00:40:11] no matter who the who's in charge. So, I
[00:40:13] will point to two things. The first is
[00:40:14] it's hard for us to conceive that an
[00:40:17] operation that lasted about 4 and a half
[00:40:18] hours and was a law enforcement
[00:40:20] operation to capture someone we don't
[00:40:21] recognize as a head of state indicted in
[00:40:24] the United States wanted with a $50
[00:40:26] million question would be if it only
[00:40:28] took four hours to take our president.
[00:40:29] It's very short. Nobody dies on the
[00:40:31] other side. Nobody dies on our side.
[00:40:33] It's perfect. Would it be an act of war?
[00:40:36] >> We just don't believe that this
[00:40:37] operation comes anywhere close to the
[00:40:39] constitutional definition of war.
[00:40:40] >> But would it be an act of war if someone
[00:40:42] did it to us? Nobody dies. Few
[00:40:44] casualties. They're in and out. Boom.
[00:40:46] It's a perfect military operation. Would
[00:40:48] that be an act of war? Of course it
[00:40:50] would be an act of war. I'm probably the
[00:40:52] most anti-war person in the Senate, and
[00:40:55] I would vote to declare war if someone
[00:40:57] invaded our country and took our
[00:40:59] president.
[00:41:00] >> So, I think we need to at least
[00:41:02] acknowledge this is a one-way argument.
[00:41:04] One-way arguments that don't rebound,
[00:41:07] that you can't apply to yourselves, that
[00:41:09] cannot be universally applicable, are
[00:41:11] bad arguments.
[00:41:13] Okay. Well, the reason that his argument
[00:41:15] is bad is because who cares whether
[00:41:17] Venezuela considers it an act of war.
[00:41:19] The question is whether constitutionally
[00:41:21] you require a declaration of war in
[00:41:23] order to do this thing. Is it a war for
[00:41:26] the United States to perform a law
[00:41:28] enforcement grab and snatch of a person
[00:41:30] we do not recognize as the legitimate
[00:41:32] rightful leader of a country? Do we need
[00:41:34] to declare war in America? Who cares
[00:41:36] what Venezuelans think about it? I don't
[00:41:38] care what Nigerians think about it. I
[00:41:40] don't care what Israelis think about. I
[00:41:41] don't care what anybody thinks about it.
[00:41:42] We're Americans. The American
[00:41:43] Constitution applies. So the question
[00:41:45] that ought to be asked is not whether we
[00:41:47] would consider it an act of war if
[00:41:48] somebody did it to us. If we did, by the
[00:41:51] way, we would then have to, wait for it,
[00:41:53] go through the constitutional mechanisms
[00:41:55] of declaring war. Right? That's what the
[00:41:58] question is about is not whether what we
[00:42:00] just did to Venezuela is an adversarial
[00:42:02] action. Of course, it's an adversarial
[00:42:04] action. The question is constitutionally
[00:42:06] speaking, do you have to declare war in
[00:42:08] order to do this thing? not whether in
[00:42:10] some random platonic universe this is
[00:42:13] considered a definitional quoteunquote
[00:42:15] act of war. And that's the point Rubio
[00:42:17] is making like make me the case that
[00:42:19] that operation constitutes a war under
[00:42:21] the definition of war in the
[00:42:22] constitution as opposed to a policing
[00:42:25] action or a law enforcement action. It's
[00:42:28] a cheap rhetorical trick what Senator
[00:42:30] Paul is doing there. And meanwhile,
[00:42:32] Rubio is asked about Cuba and he says
[00:42:35] they're not going to involve themselves
[00:42:36] in sort of an active change in Cuba, but
[00:42:38] they would of course love to see the
[00:42:39] regime fall.
[00:42:41] >> Will you make a public commitment today
[00:42:43] to rule out US regime change in Cuba?
[00:42:47] >> Regime change?
[00:42:47] >> Yes.
[00:42:48] >> Oh, no. I think we would love to see the
[00:42:49] regime there change. We would like to.
[00:42:51] That doesn't mean that we're going to
[00:42:52] make a change, but we would love to see
[00:42:53] a change. There's no doubt about the
[00:42:54] fact that it would be of great benefit
[00:42:56] to the United States if Cuba was no
[00:42:58] longer governed by an auto autocratic
[00:43:00] regime. But you know what we mean by
[00:43:02] regime change? We don't mean I wish
[00:43:04] someone else were in charge. When we
[00:43:06] talk about regime change, we're talking
[00:43:07] about using the power of the United
[00:43:09] States, usually kinetic power, but often
[00:43:11] other kinds of uh coercion. And and and
[00:43:15] I'm not even saying that that's always
[00:43:17] not in our interest. I'm just saying I'm
[00:43:20] not asking you whether we would prefer a
[00:43:22] different uh kind of government. I'm
[00:43:24] asking whether you are trying to
[00:43:26] precipitate the fall of the current
[00:43:27] regime.
[00:43:28] >> Yeah. But that's statutory. The Helms
[00:43:30] Burton Act, the US embargo on Cuba is is
[00:43:32] codified. It was codified in law and it
[00:43:35] requires regime change in order for us
[00:43:37] to lift the embargo.
[00:43:40] >> And um you know, again, correct. Well,
[00:43:43] Senator Tim Kaine and the longforgotten
[00:43:46] vice presidential candidate for Hillary
[00:43:47] Clinton, he went after Secretary of
[00:43:50] State Rubio because Donald Trump
[00:43:51] supposedly said Iceland and not
[00:43:53] Greenland in his Davos speech. And
[00:43:55] somehow this is a criminal offense in
[00:43:57] some way.
[00:44:00] We're not mad at Iceland. They haven't
[00:44:02] cost us any money. The president just
[00:44:03] mistook the two countries for each
[00:44:04] other. Correct.
[00:44:06] >> Yeah. He meant to say Greenland, but I
[00:44:07] think we're all familiar with presidents
[00:44:09] that have verbal stumbles.
[00:44:11] We've had presidents like that before.
[00:44:13] Some made a lot more than this one.
[00:44:14] >> Nice try. Thanks. I [laughter] think I
[00:44:16] thought he did well.
[00:44:19] >> Owned. Ouch. Uno. [laughter]
[00:44:23] Well, Secretary say Rubio has also asked
[00:44:25] about Iran and again pointed out that
[00:44:27] the people of Iran deserve better than
[00:44:28] current leadership
[00:44:30] >> and the core problem they face unlike
[00:44:32] the protests you saw in the past on some
[00:44:34] other topics is that they don't have a
[00:44:36] way to address the core complaints of
[00:44:38] the protesters which is that their
[00:44:40] economy is in collapse. And the reason
[00:44:41] why there's economy is in collapse is
[00:44:43] because they spend all their money and
[00:44:45] all their resources building weapons and
[00:44:48] sponsoring terrorist groups around the
[00:44:49] world instead of reinvesting it back
[00:44:51] into their society. and as a result have
[00:44:53] taken on massive global sanctions which
[00:44:54] has isolated their economy and their
[00:44:56] country. And so that's what the Iranian
[00:44:58] people are demanding is that they stop
[00:45:00] doing that and start caring about them
[00:45:02] and get these sanctions off them. And
[00:45:03] this regime is unwilling to do it. So
[00:45:05] the core challenges the the the protests
[00:45:08] may have ebbed but they will spark up
[00:45:09] again in the future because this regime
[00:45:11] unless they are willing to change and or
[00:45:13] leave no way of addressing the
[00:45:16] legitimate and consistent complaints of
[00:45:18] the people of Iran who deserve better.
[00:45:21] And again, we'll keep an eye on what the
[00:45:23] Trump administration intends to do with
[00:45:24] Iran. The United States has put forward
[00:45:26] a number of demands of Iran, including
[00:45:28] denuclearization, as well as shutting
[00:45:30] down their ballistic missile program and
[00:45:32] ceasing to support terror groups across
[00:45:34] the region and the globe. Iran's not
[00:45:36] going to do any of that. It'll be
[00:45:37] interesting to see what happens with
[00:45:39] regard to Iran. Meanwhile, the big
[00:45:41] economic story of the day is the Trump
[00:45:43] administration announcing the launch of
[00:45:44] so-called Trump accounts. These are
[00:45:47] accounts that are open to anybody up to
[00:45:48] the age of 18. Essentially, they are tax
[00:45:51] deferred accounts where you can take
[00:45:52] some money, you can put it in. It's
[00:45:53] capped every year. You can put that
[00:45:55] money in and then you can invest it in
[00:45:56] the stock market. That's the goal of the
[00:45:58] Trump account is to get Americans
[00:45:59] invested in the stock market, building
[00:46:01] wealth that way. This is sort of what
[00:46:03] George W. Bush had tried to support in
[00:46:07] 2005 when he's talking about privatizing
[00:46:09] social security, although the Trump
[00:46:10] accounts are not connected to social
[00:46:11] security. And the the idea here is if
[00:46:14] you have the American people investing
[00:46:15] in the markets, that is a better thing
[00:46:17] than simply taking their money in a
[00:46:18] pyramid scheme. And it's also an
[00:46:21] antidote to the idea that government is
[00:46:23] supposed to support you as opposed to
[00:46:24] being reliant on free markets that
[00:46:27] become more efficient and more
[00:46:28] productive over time. Brad Gersonner,
[00:46:30] the investor extraordininaire, was one
[00:46:31] of the moving forces behind all of this.
[00:46:33] He was at the White House championing
[00:46:35] this.
[00:46:37] But the most important and
[00:46:38] transformational part about the idea is
[00:46:39] I said, "Michael, this isn't a
[00:46:41] government program. This isn't coming to
[00:46:43] bended knee to the government where the
[00:46:45] government controls the account and then
[00:46:47] we're dependent increased dependency on
[00:46:49] government." It's the exact opposite of
[00:46:51] UBI. This is the antidote to socialism.
[00:46:55] The antidote to socialism is more
[00:46:58] capitalism. And I said, "Michael, this
[00:47:00] is a this is a direct giving platform."
[00:47:06] Michael Dell, of course, another
[00:47:08] massively successful investor. He says
[00:47:11] this could change the face of the
[00:47:12] country because the goal is to engage
[00:47:14] people in the markets in a way they
[00:47:16] might not otherwise.
[00:47:18] And in not too many years, essentially
[00:47:21] every child in America will have
[00:47:25] savings invested in the greatest
[00:47:28] companies in this country. And that will
[00:47:31] change the face of this country uh over
[00:47:34] the next 10, 20, 30 years. And we
[00:47:36] couldn't be more excited about this and
[00:47:39] uh the opportunity to make a difference.
[00:47:41] You know, the best investment a an a
[00:47:44] country can make is in its people,
[00:47:47] especially in its children. And this
[00:47:50] creates an incredible platform for that
[00:47:52] to occur at enormous scale. And we're
[00:47:56] excited to see it all come together.
[00:47:59] >> Now, again, these new $1,000 tax
[00:48:01] advantaged investments accounts, they're
[00:48:03] $1,000 for newborns. Scott Besson, the
[00:48:06] Treasury Secretary, says 25 million
[00:48:08] Americans could be opening these
[00:48:09] accounts.
[00:48:11] You can open the Trump account and then
[00:48:13] contribute to that up to $5,000 from
[00:48:16] family and friends. Then employers can
[00:48:19] also contribute. We're going to have
[00:48:20] many great American philanthropists who
[00:48:22] are contributing. Michael and Susan
[00:48:24] Dell, an astounding 6.25 billion. Uh
[00:48:28] many employers who are going to announce
[00:48:29] today uh are contributing. And then we
[00:48:32] think we're going to have up to 20
[00:48:34] states. So everyone with a child who is
[00:48:36] under 18 should open an account. We
[00:48:39] think that there will be 25 million
[00:48:41] accounts. We've already had about
[00:48:43] 600,000 families sign up for them.
[00:48:47] >> So again, a pretty major initiative here
[00:48:50] from the Trump administration. There
[00:48:52] will be a $1,000 seed account that is
[00:48:54] set up for newborns by the Treasury, but
[00:48:56] there are also matching accounts that
[00:48:58] are coming from places like JP Morgan,
[00:48:59] Bank of America, and Nicki Minaj, who
[00:49:02] announced yesterday that not only is she
[00:49:04] a Trump supporter, but also that she is
[00:49:06] going to be helping her barbs, those are
[00:49:08] her fans, to actually co-invest,
[00:49:10] apparently, according to the New York
[00:49:12] Post, it could mean investments between
[00:49:14] $150,000 and $300,000 to her fans to
[00:49:16] help set up Baby Barb's accounts. The
[00:49:18] final number is currently in flux. Here
[00:49:21] was it Nicki Minaj and obviously the
[00:49:23] Trump ad Trump loves this kind of stuff.
[00:49:24] So So Nicki Minaj showing up at the
[00:49:26] White House in order to tout this is
[00:49:28] like one of his one of his jams. He
[00:49:29] loves this kind of stuff.
[00:49:32] I don't know what to say, but I will say
[00:49:34] that um
[00:49:37] I am probably the president's number one
[00:49:42] fan [cheering]
[00:49:44] [applause]
[00:49:46] and that's not going to change. and the
[00:49:50] the the hate or what people have to say,
[00:49:53] it does not affect me at all. It
[00:49:56] actually motivates me to support him
[00:49:58] more [cheering]
[00:50:00] and it's going to motivate all of us to
[00:50:02] support him more. We're not going to let
[00:50:04] them get away with bullying him and you
[00:50:07] know the smear campaigns. It's not going
[00:50:09] to work. Okay? He has a lot of force
[00:50:13] behind him and God is protecting him.
[00:50:18] Amen.
[00:50:22] >> So, um I will say that I was I was as a
[00:50:25] fellow rapper, I was first on the Nicki
[00:50:27] Minaj bandwagon here in her rap battles
[00:50:30] with fellow artists like Cardi B and
[00:50:33] Nicki Minaj I know shares respect for
[00:50:35] those in the industry.
[00:50:39] I know. But it's it listen it's pretty
[00:50:42] wonderful for for President Trump. And
[00:50:43] again, there is a cultural change that's
[00:50:45] happening in the country, which is
[00:50:46] you're allowed to now say that actually
[00:50:47] you like President Trump or that you
[00:50:49] vote Republican or that you don't agree
[00:50:51] with the Democrat's agenda. That that's
[00:50:52] something President Trump really has
[00:50:54] changed in a way that that has never
[00:50:56] changed in my lifetime. And that's an
[00:50:57] amazing thing. Joining us on the line to
[00:50:59] discuss all of this is Isabelle Brown,
[00:51:00] who was actually at the White House for
[00:51:02] the reveal of the Trump accounts
[00:51:03] yesterday. Isabelle, great to see you.
[00:51:05] How was it?
[00:51:07] >> It was fantastic, Ben. Thanks for having
[00:51:09] me on. And what an amazing initiative
[00:51:11] from our government. I said this six or
[00:51:13] seven times to the media yesterday, but
[00:51:15] what we're watching through this is not
[00:51:17] just an investment into our future.
[00:51:19] That's important certainly for our
[00:51:21] children, but it's also a huge paradigm
[00:51:23] shift in Washington. I think very few
[00:51:25] people are talking about. Typically, the
[00:51:26] financial status quo in this town is
[00:51:28] that you borrow from the financial
[00:51:30] future and sell them out from every next
[00:51:32] generation to keep lining the pockets of
[00:51:35] those who have been here in this town
[00:51:36] longer than twice the time my generation
[00:51:38] has been alive. And now you're watching
[00:51:40] that script be flipped and literally
[00:51:42] placing money into the hands of babies
[00:51:44] the day they are born. And I could not
[00:51:45] be more excited about it.
[00:51:48] >> So the way the Trump accounts work is
[00:51:50] that if you are a newborn, Treasury puts
[00:51:52] $1,000 into an account for you. But
[00:51:54] that's obviously not the the extent of
[00:51:55] it. It's also essentially a tax-free
[00:51:58] account for investment that can be
[00:51:59] invested in by family, by your company.
[00:52:02] Correct.
[00:52:04] >> Yep. That's exactly correct. If you have
[00:52:06] a baby that was born between January 1st
[00:52:08] of last year, 2025, and the end of 2028,
[00:52:11] so during Trump's term in office, you
[00:52:13] have basically a free deposit of $1,000,
[00:52:17] that goes into an investment account
[00:52:18] that you can choose to put further
[00:52:20] contributions into as that child's
[00:52:22] parents or even as an employer. Many
[00:52:24] many companies around the country uh
[00:52:26] from Visa to Uber to so many others
[00:52:29] announced they were going to be teaming
[00:52:30] up with this initiative and matching
[00:52:33] employee contributions and that $1,000
[00:52:35] investment from the Treasury Department
[00:52:37] into baby accounts. Uh in the
[00:52:39] conservative movement in particular,
[00:52:41] Turning Point USA under the leadership
[00:52:42] of Erica Kirk announced that every
[00:52:44] employee who has a newborn baby will
[00:52:46] receive an additional $1,000 into that
[00:52:49] account from the company, not just the
[00:52:51] Treasury Department. So, really
[00:52:52] interesting incentive from the employer
[00:52:54] side as well. But the biggest
[00:52:56] contribution comes from parents, which
[00:52:57] you can deposit up to $5,000 into this
[00:53:00] account annually that then is deducted
[00:53:02] out of your taxes. And if you look at
[00:53:04] the maximum contributions into the
[00:53:06] account and stock market averages over
[00:53:08] the past several decades, if you
[00:53:10] contribute the maximum amount every
[00:53:12] year, by the time your child turns 28
[00:53:14] years old, they will have over a million
[00:53:16] dollars sitting in this account, which
[00:53:18] is absolutely incredible.
[00:53:21] So, obviously it was it was sort of a
[00:53:23] star-studded event. Nicki Minaj made a
[00:53:24] big appearance wearing a shockingly
[00:53:27] amazing coat apparently. What? And and
[00:53:29] she had the nails in the the whole
[00:53:30] thing. What What was the mood in the
[00:53:32] room like when Nicki Minaj uh came in?
[00:53:36] >> You know, it was incredible, Ben. I was
[00:53:37] backstage for most of the event and when
[00:53:39] she came in, you're right. She was
[00:53:40] wearing an absolutely incredible coat.
[00:53:43] But it was this excited, giggly feeling
[00:53:45] that you saw among the White House staff
[00:53:47] knowing that the America First MAGA
[00:53:50] coalition really is growing to this big
[00:53:52] tent that we never expected over the
[00:53:54] past couple of years. Right down to
[00:53:56] Nicki Minaj, who is now not just the
[00:53:58] singer of Super Bass, she is superb. And
[00:54:02] you saw her join the president on stage
[00:54:04] yesterday and even hold hands for a few
[00:54:06] minutes, which was so touching.
[00:54:10] So obviously the the sort of big
[00:54:12] ideological pusher actually came from
[00:54:14] the capitalist community. This is not a
[00:54:16] a government sort of led initiative. It
[00:54:18] is in the sense that obviously the
[00:54:20] government is going to deposit what is a
[00:54:21] fairly dimminimous amount for babies
[00:54:23] when they are born. But at the same time
[00:54:25] it really is a bunch of capitalists who
[00:54:26] are who are matching who are really
[00:54:28] pushing this forward because their
[00:54:30] general idea and I've talked to Brad
[00:54:32] Gersonner who's one of the people who is
[00:54:33] behind this initiative. Their general
[00:54:35] idea is you get people either invested
[00:54:36] in capitalism or they find themselves
[00:54:37] invested in government handouts and
[00:54:39] government welfare. And so this really
[00:54:41] is an uber capitalist move to try and
[00:54:42] get people involved in the markets.
[00:54:45] I could not have said that better
[00:54:47] myself. In fact, many of the speakers
[00:54:48] were saying on stage yesterday that we
[00:54:50] are creating an entire generation of
[00:54:52] capitalists through this program. And I
[00:54:54] know that's generally one of the push
[00:54:56] back comments I'm hearing in the media
[00:54:57] that this is just another handout
[00:54:59] program or it's really rife for
[00:55:01] potential for fraud. Certainly, the
[00:55:03] Trump administration is doing everything
[00:55:04] they can to combat against fraud in some
[00:55:07] of these programs across the spectrum in
[00:55:09] the executive branch. But what's
[00:55:10] interesting to me is what these accounts
[00:55:12] can be used for as soon as your child
[00:55:14] turns 18 years old. Kind of similar to a
[00:55:16] 529 plan or a college savings account.
[00:55:19] There are approved expenses that you can
[00:55:20] access the minute you turn 18. Uh buying
[00:55:23] a home, for example, which I know the
[00:55:25] president touched on quite extensively
[00:55:26] in his speech. Going to college and
[00:55:28] college tuition money, or even starting
[00:55:30] your own business. And many of the
[00:55:32] people in attendance yesterday said they
[00:55:34] have children uh who are so excited not
[00:55:36] just to go to college, but to become
[00:55:37] entrepreneurs and know that this is
[00:55:39] going to set up their capacity to do so
[00:55:41] once they become an adult.
[00:55:44] >> Well, that's Isabelle Brown. Go check
[00:55:45] out her show, The Isabelle Brown Show.
[00:55:46] And Isabelle, glad you had a good time
[00:55:48] and and that you know all the names of
[00:55:50] of Nicki Minaj's songs, which is of
[00:55:51] course the most important thing.
[00:55:52] [laughter]
[00:55:53] >> I've been listening a lot the last few
[00:55:55] weeks, as you should too, Ben. We we
[00:55:57] should see a Ben Shapiro reacts to Nicki
[00:55:59] Minaj lyrics episode here pretty soon.
[00:56:01] >> Nicki Minaj and I we we are fellow we we
[00:56:03] Nicki Minaj we are in the same industry.
[00:56:05] I have pointed this out. We are in the
[00:56:06] same industry and we have traded some
[00:56:08] some good naturatured compliments with
[00:56:09] one another. She does appreciate the
[00:56:11] verbal fluency of of my rapping skill as
[00:56:14] well. Appreciate it.
[00:56:16] >> Thanks Ben.
[00:56:17] >> Well folks it's time for our first ever
[00:56:20] mailbag audio segment brought to you by
[00:56:22] Pure Talk because of course we want a
[00:56:23] clear connection with our fans. Brian
[00:56:25] has the first question.
[00:56:27] >> What is one story or book in the Bible
[00:56:29] that people overlook that they should
[00:56:31] study?
[00:56:33] >> Okay. A story that people overlook in
[00:56:35] the Bible that they should study. Trying
[00:56:37] to think of some of the more obscure
[00:56:38] stories in the Bible that that people
[00:56:40] tend to overlook. The truth is I I feel
[00:56:42] like there are a lot of people who are
[00:56:43] not engaged enough. You know, as a Jew,
[00:56:45] obviously I'm going to say are not
[00:56:46] engaged enough with the Old Testament,
[00:56:47] but there there are a lot of sort of
[00:56:48] biblical stories that that people
[00:56:50] ignore. It seems to me that the the
[00:56:53] story that doesn't get enough play in
[00:56:55] the Bible is what happens after Moses
[00:56:59] splits the the tablets, right? He brings
[00:57:02] the tablets down from Mount Si. He sees
[00:57:04] that everybody is engaging with the
[00:57:06] golden calf and as a sort of shock
[00:57:07] tactic, he takes it and he shatters that
[00:57:09] stuff. And then he goes back up the
[00:57:10] mountain and there's this unbelievably
[00:57:12] beautiful section of the book of Exodus
[00:57:14] where Moses asks God if he can see his
[00:57:16] face. And God says, "You can't see my
[00:57:19] face and live." And then he hides him in
[00:57:20] a cliff of the rock. And then it says
[00:57:21] that Moses is able to see God's back.
[00:57:24] And it's this unbelievably beautifully
[00:57:26] written section of Exodus that at least
[00:57:28] in Jewish tradition is the closest that
[00:57:30] man pretty much ever gets to God
[00:57:32] himself. And the question of course is
[00:57:35] why is it that human beings aren't
[00:57:37] capable of seeing God face to face and
[00:57:39] and living? And the answer is because
[00:57:42] obviously if you were able to understand
[00:57:43] all of the necessities of the universe
[00:57:45] and how everything worked, then you
[00:57:48] wouldn't be human, right? It's our human
[00:57:49] limitations that allow us the free will
[00:57:51] to operate in ignorance in the world.
[00:57:54] But there's something else. Why does God
[00:57:55] show him his back? Why doesn't God just
[00:57:56] say no? Right? In the book of Job, the
[00:57:58] end of the book of Job, God says to Job,
[00:58:00] "You don't understand anything." And
[00:58:01] that's the end of the book. But in this
[00:58:02] one, God says to Moses, "You can see my
[00:58:04] back." What does that mean? Well, there
[00:58:05] are certain commentaries, and I've
[00:58:06] always thought that that what it means
[00:58:07] is that it's very difficult to see God's
[00:58:10] presence in your life in any given
[00:58:11] moment. When something is happening
[00:58:13] right in the moment, unless it's the
[00:58:14] birth of a child or something, very,
[00:58:15] very difficult to see God in your life.
[00:58:18] It's only in the aftermath, right, as
[00:58:21] God is walking away from you that you
[00:58:22] can see how God walked through your
[00:58:24] life. You can look back over the course
[00:58:25] of your life and you can see how one
[00:58:27] thing that may have been bad led to
[00:58:28] another thing that ended up being
[00:58:30] tremendously transformational for you or
[00:58:32] how one choice that you made led to an
[00:58:35] entirely different strand of of your
[00:58:37] life that may never have been accessed.
[00:58:39] And you can see God in that decision
[00:58:41] making. And so I think that that that's
[00:58:42] an incredibly beautiful part of of the
[00:58:44] Bible that I think people don't pay
[00:58:46] enough attention to.
[00:58:50] Okay, next question is from Sarah.
[00:58:53] >> Hey Ben, love your show. Um, quick
[00:58:55] question. I was wondering what advice do
[00:58:57] you have for moms who want to work but
[00:58:59] also want to be very involved in their
[00:59:00] kids' lives. Thank you.
[00:59:03] >> So there there's a phrase that I heard
[00:59:05] attributed to Mij Dector in which she
[00:59:08] said that you women can have everything
[00:59:09] but they can't have everything all at
[00:59:10] once. Time is limited. That's true for
[00:59:12] men too. Time is limited. You have to
[00:59:13] make decisions as to how you wish to
[00:59:15] spend your time. The studies that I've
[00:59:17] seen tend to suggest that most women,
[00:59:19] particularly mothers, want to work
[00:59:20] part-time and spend time with their
[00:59:22] kids. And so, they just have to
[00:59:23] recognize that if you work part-time,
[00:59:25] the chances that you're going to make
[00:59:26] vice president at Chase Manhattan are
[00:59:28] far lower than they would be if you
[00:59:30] worked full-time. And those are
[00:59:31] decisions that you're going to have to
[00:59:32] make based on finances and personal
[00:59:34] desire and all the rest. Obviously, for
[00:59:36] moms and for dads, the kids come first.
[00:59:39] more important than your career, more
[00:59:40] important than your job. But making sure
[00:59:43] that you have realistic and relevant
[00:59:45] expectations for what you want from a
[00:59:47] career, what's doable, and where your
[00:59:49] priorities lie is going to lead you to
[00:59:50] be realistic so you don't feel
[00:59:51] dissatisfied with both. Because very
[00:59:53] often you have people who feel like, I
[00:59:55] should be at home full-time with my kid,
[00:59:56] and if I'm not, I'm disappointing them
[00:59:59] and myself, or I ought to be at work
[01:00:01] full-time, and if I'm not, I'm
[01:00:02] disappointing myself and and my
[01:00:04] employer. Just be realistic about the
[01:00:06] fact that time is not infinite and that
[01:00:08] every hour of the day is the same for
[01:00:11] for everybody. And that means that you
[01:00:12] really have to decide in advance what
[01:00:15] kind of time you wish to spend where.
[01:00:18] You know, for for for my wife, that
[01:00:19] meant that she was in medical school
[01:00:21] full-time for several years. And then
[01:00:24] over the past couple of years, since we
[01:00:25] had our last baby, she's been at home
[01:00:27] with the kids and she's really been
[01:00:28] enjoying it. and she may go back to work
[01:00:30] part-time afterward, but that's going to
[01:00:31] be a decision that she makes largely
[01:00:33] based on the schedule of our kids,
[01:00:35] right? She's going to try and go during
[01:00:36] the hours that our kids are in school
[01:00:38] and be home by the time that they're in.
[01:00:39] But that's a decision that you have to
[01:00:40] make. Every decision, in other words, is
[01:00:42] an opportunity cost. There are
[01:00:44] trade-offs to everything. All righty,
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[01:01:03] >> What was it like, Merlin, to be alone
[01:01:06] with God?
[01:01:09] [screaming]
[01:01:12] Is that who you think I was alone with?
[01:01:18] >> Mathan, I knew your father. I am yet
[01:01:21] convinced that he was not of this world.
[01:01:26] All men know of the great Talasin. You
[01:01:29] are my father and the gods should war
[01:01:31] for my soul.
[01:01:33] >> Princess Garis, savior of our people.
[01:01:39] >> I know what the bull god offered you. I
[01:01:42] was offered the same.
[01:01:43] >> And
[01:01:45] there is a new power at work in the
[01:01:46] world. I've seen it.
[01:01:49] >> A god who sacrifices what he loves for
[01:01:51] us.
[01:01:51] >> We are each given only one life singer.
[01:01:54] No, we're given another.
[01:01:59] >> I learned of Yazu the Christ,
[01:02:01] >> and I have become his follower. He's
[01:02:04] waiting on a miracle, and I think you
[01:02:06] can give him one.
[01:02:07] >> Trust in Yazu. He is the only hope for
[01:02:10] men like us.
[01:02:11] >> Fate of Britain [music] never rests in
[01:02:13] the hands of the great light.
[01:02:14] >> Great light, great darkness. Such things
[01:02:17] mattered to me then.
[01:02:19] >> What matters to you now, mistress of
[01:02:21] lies?
[01:02:23] You nephew,
[01:02:28] >> the sword of a high king.
[01:02:32] How many lives must be lost before you
[01:02:34] accept the power you were born to wield?
[01:02:40] So cling to the promises of a god who
[01:02:42] has abandoned you.
[01:02:43] >> I cannot take up that [music] sword
[01:02:44] again.
[01:02:46] >> You know what you must do.
[01:02:49] >> Great light, forgive me.
[01:02:58] The time has come to be reborn.
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