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[00:00:00] Am I a bigot?
[00:00:00] >> Well, you're definitely a bigot, but
[00:00:02] that doesn't mean you're always in the
[00:00:04] wrong.
[00:00:04] >> If I were to just tell lies about
[00:00:06] Michael every single day, you've done it
[00:00:07] for 10 years. Every day you do it.
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[00:00:48] discussing the threat of Islam to the
[00:00:50] West, a topic 1,400 years in the making.
[00:00:53] Obviously, the Brandy Beach shooting, uh
[00:00:56] the Islamic threats all over Europe,
[00:00:57] shutting down Christmas markets and and
[00:00:59] uh New Year's celebrations, killings in
[00:01:02] the United States. We will also be
[00:01:04] getting to President Trump's biggest
[00:01:06] wins and losses of the year. And if
[00:01:10] there is time, what is the worst movie
[00:01:12] that we all saw this year? I think I
[00:01:13] only saw one movie this year and it was
[00:01:15] very bad. So, we will get to that. And I
[00:01:18] already teased that we had a nice lady
[00:01:20] coming on this show. We will have Batya
[00:01:23] Unar Sargon coming out. Did I I don't I
[00:01:25] don't pronounce that in a in a beautiful
[00:01:27] way. Anyway, she's a beautiful lady and
[00:01:29] she'll be coming on the show. Gentlemen,
[00:01:31] good to see you. Shall we talk about the
[00:01:33] Muslims?
[00:01:34] >> Wow. That that that is always a great
[00:01:36] bar opener. [laughter] Michael, you just
[00:01:37] walk into a bar and just drop that right
[00:01:39] on the table. Muslims. Won't somebody
[00:01:41] please talk about the Muslims because
[00:01:43] they seem to look I I'm uh very much in
[00:01:46] the uh old school Christian Helair Bell
[00:01:50] crusades view here that the Muslims
[00:01:52] [laughter] have like been a pretty
[00:01:54] consistent problem for a while. Uh now
[00:01:57] it seems like Islamic terror is rearing
[00:02:00] its head again after having gone I don't
[00:02:02] know a little dormant or wasn't on the
[00:02:04] front pages for a few years.
[00:02:06] >> You know I don't think it was dormant.
[00:02:07] There have been too many acts of of
[00:02:09] radical Islamic terror. And the reason
[00:02:11] I'm I'm saying radical Islamic is just
[00:02:12] because obviously there there are some
[00:02:14] Muslims who who actually do not
[00:02:15] sympathize with radical Islamic terror.
[00:02:18] I will say that those numbers are higher
[00:02:20] in terms of moderate Muslims,
[00:02:22] non-radical Muslims in in the United
[00:02:24] States, than they are in other places,
[00:02:25] including particularly Europe and
[00:02:27] certainly in in the Middle East or
[00:02:29] Africa. Um, but you know, the the steady
[00:02:32] drum beat of radical Islamic terror, of
[00:02:34] course, is is quite real and has been
[00:02:36] happening for years on end. I mean, the
[00:02:37] Orlando Pulse massacre shooting, the
[00:02:39] Fort Hood massacre, the the attack that
[00:02:41] happened just a couple of weeks ago on
[00:02:43] the National Guard members in Washington
[00:02:44] DC. Obviously, October 7th was was a
[00:02:46] radical Islamic terror attack. I mean,
[00:02:49] this sort of stuff actually is really
[00:02:50] consistent and it's been happening in
[00:02:51] Europe for a long time, too. I mean,
[00:02:52] there have been a bunch of attacks on
[00:02:53] various Christmas markets over the
[00:02:55] course of the last 8 to 10 years that
[00:02:57] have been truly insane. And and I think
[00:03:00] that the West basically decided that
[00:03:02] this was an acceptable cost of doing
[00:03:04] business in a bizarre and ugly way. They
[00:03:06] basically were like, well, you know,
[00:03:07] this is the cost of a multicultural
[00:03:08] society, and we're just going to pretend
[00:03:10] that there's no real problem here. But
[00:03:12] there does seem to be a pretty high
[00:03:13] correlation between importation of a
[00:03:15] certain number of people of a particular
[00:03:17] religion from particular areas of the
[00:03:19] world, and a radical uptick in crime, a
[00:03:22] radical uptick in terror attacks
[00:03:24] directed against both Jews and
[00:03:26] Christians. Obviously, the one in
[00:03:27] Australia on Sunday was directed at
[00:03:29] Jews, but we've seen radical Muslim
[00:03:30] terror attacks against Christians
[00:03:32] throughout Europe over the course of the
[00:03:33] last decade or so. So yeah, I mean this
[00:03:35] is a convers and that by the way that is
[00:03:37] the conversation that has driven the
[00:03:39] entire right-wing movement in Europe
[00:03:40] over the course of the last 15 years and
[00:03:42] going all the way back to Michelle Halib
[00:03:44] writing submission. I mean like this is
[00:03:46] nothing new.
[00:03:47] >> Drew, salamkum, your thoughts on the
[00:03:50] Muslims?
[00:03:50] >> Well, I think it goes beyond just u you
[00:03:53] know ignoring the problem. I think they
[00:03:56] they literally think they can ignore it
[00:03:57] out of existence. that they have the the
[00:04:00] left especially has taken the the notion
[00:04:04] that you can erase anything that feels
[00:04:06] bad or causes problems by simply
[00:04:07] declaring it void. So that if you feel
[00:04:10] ashamed because you sleep around, that's
[00:04:13] just shaming. It's something that's
[00:04:14] being done to you. It's not something
[00:04:16] that's emanating from you because you
[00:04:17] know you're doing the wrong thing. And
[00:04:19] the biggest shock to most elites uh of
[00:04:22] 9/11 was that anybody would do anything
[00:04:25] uh on behalf of their god. And they have
[00:04:27] basically said, you know, all roads lead
[00:04:30] to God and there's no real difference
[00:04:31] between one religion and another. And
[00:04:33] since there is no God, what difference
[00:04:34] does it make? The problem they have is
[00:04:36] just like shame, God is real. And it
[00:04:39] really does matter that you discuss and
[00:04:41] argue and kind of find the god who is
[00:04:44] the god, you know. And I think that uh
[00:04:46] when you have these guys who are been
[00:04:49] set off from even their own populations
[00:04:52] uh to develop this radical um religion,
[00:04:55] you start to to ask yourself, well,
[00:04:56] wait, maybe maybe the Quran says some
[00:04:59] things that are not in keeping with our
[00:05:01] idea of God. And maybe our idea of God
[00:05:03] is better than theirs. And so where
[00:05:06] where who came up with the idea that you
[00:05:08] can move masses of these people into uh
[00:05:11] Christian-based societies and there was
[00:05:13] going to be no problem? It's an insane
[00:05:15] idea. The the way you deal with God is
[00:05:18] the way you deal with life. And that's,
[00:05:20] you know, that's just written into
[00:05:22] things. If you believe there's no God,
[00:05:23] that you're going to live life that way.
[00:05:25] If you believe that God is a loving God,
[00:05:26] a creative God, somebody who has put his
[00:05:29] image into us, you're going to deal
[00:05:31] another way. And if you believe that God
[00:05:32] wants you to slaughter the infidels,
[00:05:34] you're [laughter] going to be a
[00:05:35] dangerous guy. And of course, you're
[00:05:37] right. It's not all of them. There
[00:05:39] millions of them who are good people and
[00:05:41] pious people. But it is a problem that
[00:05:43] emanates from the religion itself.
[00:05:45] >> Yeah. And I think you know to Ben's
[00:05:46] point there is obviously I I actually
[00:05:49] have a number of Muslim friends not a
[00:05:51] huge number but a number of them you
[00:05:52] know and Muslim associates over the
[00:05:54] years. And the thing I notice about
[00:05:57] Islam which separates it from other
[00:05:59] religions is that the the moderation of
[00:06:02] the people is directly in correlation
[00:06:05] with the less they practice the religion
[00:06:08] the less rigorously [laughter] they
[00:06:09] practice it. And the same cannot be said
[00:06:11] of Christianity or Judaism or Buddhism
[00:06:14] or Shintoism or what have you. And I I
[00:06:17] think that just tells you something
[00:06:18] about the qualitative difference. And
[00:06:19] there there are at the level of theology
[00:06:22] real differences. It's a volunteerist
[00:06:24] religion. It posits a total
[00:06:26] transcendence of Allah with no real
[00:06:29] mediation between God and man. There all
[00:06:30] these kind of interesting theological
[00:06:32] aspects. But brass tax. I got into a
[00:06:35] debate once with a French politico, a
[00:06:37] French guy and he was involved in French
[00:06:41] politics and he said, "Why do you
[00:06:43] American conservatives love Hungary so
[00:06:45] much?" And I said, "Because Hungary is
[00:06:46] the freest country in Europe." And he
[00:06:48] said, "What are you talking about?
[00:06:50] Hungary is not free. It's illiberal.
[00:06:52] It's authoritarian." Blah blah blah,
[00:06:53] whatever. I said, "Let me tell you about
[00:06:54] Hungary. I can walk around Hungary at 2
[00:06:57] o'clock in the morning in my birthday
[00:06:59] suit with gold watches on each hand and
[00:07:01] no one's going to harm me. No one's
[00:07:03] going to rob me. This is the kind of
[00:07:05] place where you can walk freely and you
[00:07:07] can live your life. And the people of
[00:07:08] Hungary can have their traditions that
[00:07:10] go back a thousand years. And this
[00:07:12] French political said, "Oh, that's not
[00:07:14] freedom. That's safety. That's security,
[00:07:15] but that has nothing to do with
[00:07:16] freedom." I said, "No, I think they that
[00:07:18] has to do with with an exalted and
[00:07:20] political freedom." And then you find
[00:07:22] out just this week that Paris that
[00:07:25] France is going to have to cancel its
[00:07:27] New Year's Eve celebration. They're
[00:07:28] still going to have fireworks at the
[00:07:29] Arctic Triumph. They're still going to
[00:07:31] have things on the Shams. But they're
[00:07:33] saying, "Please, Frenchmen, watch it on
[00:07:35] TV. We can't guarantee your safety from
[00:07:39] Muslims." That's the the open point. You
[00:07:41] know, who's the one causing the
[00:07:42] problems? It's the Muslim radicals. Uh
[00:07:44] we can't guarantee your safety. So,
[00:07:46] sorry. We have to cancel your
[00:07:47] traditions. go live in your your pod and
[00:07:50] watch it on TV. Uh what kind of free
[00:07:52] country is that? Not that France has
[00:07:53] been free for 250 years now. Uh Bati, I
[00:07:55] want to bring you in here. Uh first of
[00:07:57] all, thank you so much for coming on the
[00:07:59] show.
[00:07:59] >> Oh my gosh, I'm so honored to be here
[00:08:02] with you guys. I love this show. I watch
[00:08:04] it all the time and it's just like a
[00:08:06] dream come true to be one of the boxes.
[00:08:07] [laughter]
[00:08:08] >> That's very kind. That's very sweet.
[00:08:10] Flattery will get you very very far
[00:08:11] behind.
[00:08:12] >> That's about the whole key to the show
[00:08:13] [laughter] as far as I'm concerned.
[00:08:14] Yeah.
[00:08:15] >> Welcome to our Islamophobia Fest. Do you
[00:08:18] have any hatred to add? [laughter]
[00:08:21] >> You know, to me what I'm really
[00:08:22] experiencing right now is a renewed
[00:08:24] appreciation for American exceptionalism
[00:08:27] because I really don't disagree with
[00:08:28] anything you guys have said, but I don't
[00:08:30] think any of it is at all applicable to
[00:08:32] the United States. We just do not have
[00:08:35] the same problem as they're facing in
[00:08:37] Europe. And I think there's a sort of
[00:08:38] number of reasons for that. Uh for
[00:08:41] starters, I think that a lot of what is
[00:08:43] happening there visav the Muslim
[00:08:46] community, the problems being caused by
[00:08:48] their Muslims has to do with the class
[00:08:50] of Muslims who immigrated there. They're
[00:08:52] poor and they're refugees and they stay
[00:08:55] in their enclaves and they don't
[00:08:56] assimilate. Our Muslim community is much
[00:08:59] smaller. It tends to be middle class
[00:09:01] because it costs a lot more money to get
[00:09:02] here and they assimilate. I mean, we
[00:09:04] just don't have that same problem. And I
[00:09:07] think what's happening in Europe is a
[00:09:09] fundamental crisis in confidence. You
[00:09:12] have these enclaves and then you have
[00:09:14] cops like refusing to police them. And
[00:09:17] to me this is just like unimaginable.
[00:09:19] Like can you imagine if like the NYPD
[00:09:21] decided, oh yeah, Bay Ridge, we don't go
[00:09:23] there. You know, like it's unthinkable
[00:09:25] because our cops are men, you know, like
[00:09:27] they know what it means to have the
[00:09:29] confidence of being Americans. And so I
[00:09:32] think we're really sort of shortelling
[00:09:35] the exceptional nature of this country
[00:09:37] of capitalism. People who migrate here
[00:09:40] want into the system by and large and
[00:09:43] then also just the exceptional way in
[00:09:44] which America has always treated its
[00:09:47] Jews. The founding fathers really saw
[00:09:50] Jews as having been the harbingers of
[00:09:53] the civilization they were trying to
[00:09:55] create here. the inheritors of the
[00:09:56] Hebrew Bible in which they found, you
[00:09:59] know, the source material for everything
[00:10:01] they believe this country should be
[00:10:02] built on. And so I do still feel that
[00:10:05] that is at play in a really big way and
[00:10:07] how the average American feels about
[00:10:09] Jews, no matter what we're talking about
[00:10:12] here. And and that to a large extent the
[00:10:14] Muslims who come here, they embibe that
[00:10:16] the way that they embibe the love of
[00:10:17] capitalism and the desire to be middle
[00:10:19] class and to get along with their Jewish
[00:10:21] neighbors. So I'm a little bit, you
[00:10:23] know, more I guess sanguine slash very
[00:10:26] very cheerleadery about America in this
[00:10:30] context as well.
[00:10:32] >> Yeah. No, I'll totally disagree with
[00:10:34] with with [laughter] probably half of
[00:10:35] that. Like I think that obviously you do
[00:10:37] see radical Islamic enclaves that have
[00:10:39] that that have arrived in places like
[00:10:40] Minneapolis. You've seen it arriving in
[00:10:42] places like Dearborn, Michigan. And and
[00:10:45] this is brought about by an open borders
[00:10:47] attitude toward what America is and
[00:10:49] should be. You've talked about
[00:10:50] assimilation. We've had a massive
[00:10:51] problem of assimilation in the United
[00:10:53] States uh across the board actually
[00:10:55] since about 1965 when we decided to
[00:10:57] change our entire immigration system and
[00:10:59] just accept huge numbers of migrants
[00:11:01] from places that did not have any sort
[00:11:03] of traditional relationship with a lot
[00:11:04] of the underlying values that unite
[00:11:06] Europe and the United States. And so
[00:11:09] you're starting to see that change in
[00:11:10] some pretty radical ways. And you're
[00:11:11] starting to see that ushered in even
[00:11:13] more so by a left that is making common
[00:11:16] cause with radical Islam. That is a
[00:11:18] common factor that you're seeing in
[00:11:20] Europe and in the United States is a
[00:11:21] left that is perfectly willing to fellow
[00:11:23] travel with Islamic terrorism. In fact,
[00:11:26] this terror attack that was just
[00:11:27] thwarted by the FBI and the DOJ in
[00:11:30] California was a group of people who
[00:11:32] were a united group of people who who
[00:11:34] said that they were pro- free Palestine,
[00:11:36] that they were anti-America and
[00:11:38] protrans, right? So, it was sort of the
[00:11:39] entire elomeration of left-wing causes.
[00:11:41] And whenever you look at that cause, you
[00:11:42] say, "Well, none of these people," you
[00:11:44] put them in a room together and most of
[00:11:45] them will end up dead if you leave them
[00:11:46] in the room long enough because they
[00:11:48] hate each other so much. But the one
[00:11:49] thing they can agree on is they don't
[00:11:50] like America. They don't like our
[00:11:52] civilization. They don't particularly
[00:11:53] like Jews. And so they they they sort of
[00:11:55] are able to unite under that rubric. I'm
[00:11:57] I'm very concerned about the possibility
[00:11:59] of something like what happened in
[00:12:01] Australia happening in the United
[00:12:03] States. Of course, I don't think that
[00:12:05] that the threats to the Jewish community
[00:12:06] are relegated only to radical Muslims. I
[00:12:09] think that that you've seen attacks on
[00:12:10] Jewish communities by white supremacists
[00:12:11] as well and to pretend that that doesn't
[00:12:13] exist is is to just, you know, whistle
[00:12:15] past the graveyard, literally speaking.
[00:12:16] Um, but when when you talk about the
[00:12:19] kind of widespread civilizational threat
[00:12:20] of radical Islam, the biggest reason you
[00:12:22] don't see it in the United States, the
[00:12:23] way you see it in Europe, is a pure
[00:12:24] percentage question. That is all. It is
[00:12:26] just a question of what is the
[00:12:27] population of Muslims in the United
[00:12:29] States. The population of Muslims in the
[00:12:31] United States is approximately somewhere
[00:12:34] between six and seven million Muslims in
[00:12:36] the United States by most of the census
[00:12:38] data that that I've seen. And so you're
[00:12:40] talking about 2% of the population at
[00:12:42] most. When you're talking about places
[00:12:43] in Europe like London, you're talking
[00:12:45] well in excess of 15% of the entire
[00:12:47] population of London. If you're talking
[00:12:49] about France, you're talking about in
[00:12:50] Paris something the same. You know, 15
[00:12:52] 20% of the population. If you're talking
[00:12:54] about Sydney, Australia, you've seen a
[00:12:56] radical increase in the number of
[00:12:57] Muslims in Australia, most of whom live
[00:12:59] in Sydney. There there used to be very
[00:13:01] few Muslims in Australia. Now there are
[00:13:03] about 813,000 Muslims in Australia and
[00:13:05] about 6 and a half% of the population of
[00:13:08] Sydney is Muslim, which is why you saw
[00:13:09] people in the streets chanting gas the
[00:13:11] Jews right after October 7th in
[00:13:13] Australia. And to pretend that this
[00:13:15] ideology doesn't have anything to do
[00:13:16] with what's going on. I know you're not
[00:13:18] doing that, but to pretend that the
[00:13:20] ideology doesn't have anything to do
[00:13:21] with what's going on, that's my bugaboo,
[00:13:23] right? Sunny Host said something that
[00:13:25] it's the kind of thing people say when
[00:13:26] they really don't want to understand how
[00:13:29] the world works. She said, "Why is there
[00:13:30] just so much evil happening right now?
[00:13:32] Why is there so much bad stuff happening
[00:13:33] right now?" She [laughter] looked at
[00:13:34] Brown University and then she looked at
[00:13:36] Sydney and she said, "All this terrible
[00:13:37] stuff, all this oppositionality and
[00:13:39] anger happening right now." It's like
[00:13:40] those are not all the same thing. Not
[00:13:42] every shooting happens for the same
[00:13:44] reason. Not every terror attack happens
[00:13:45] for the same reason. You have to take
[00:13:46] each ideology on its own merits as to
[00:13:48] how much violence and evil it's going to
[00:13:50] generate. And to pretend that radical
[00:13:52] Islam generates the same amount of
[00:13:54] violence as other ideologies is of
[00:13:56] course incredibly silly. Islam famously
[00:13:58] has bloody borders and has since it was
[00:14:00] initiated. And and again that doesn't
[00:14:01] mean every Muslim is bad because you
[00:14:04] know you can pick any group and find
[00:14:05] people who are not bad. The question is
[00:14:07] what is the outgrowth of the of the
[00:14:08] civilization? What is the outgrowth of
[00:14:11] the ideology? And is there a strain of
[00:14:13] ideology that we could combat that would
[00:14:15] actually be more effective in preventing
[00:14:17] the kind of thing we just saw? What do
[00:14:18] you make of the proposal that you've
[00:14:20] seen in some quarters of the American
[00:14:22] right? Which is to say, look, in many
[00:14:24] ways, we conservatives have more in
[00:14:27] common with religious Muslims, at least
[00:14:30] the more Americanized ones, than we do
[00:14:32] with secularists.
[00:14:34] >> We value family. We value the, you know,
[00:14:35] we believe in the existence of God. We
[00:14:37] like modesty in some quarters. So, you
[00:14:39] know, you saw President Trump going
[00:14:41] after Muslim votes in 2024. I think that
[00:14:45] did work. You know there there are some
[00:14:46] people who are saying really the battle
[00:14:48] is not uh Christian versus Muslim but
[00:14:50] it's it's the religious broadly
[00:14:53] Christians Jews Muslims whatever else
[00:14:57] Zarastrians versus these secularist
[00:15:00] materialist does that work is that does
[00:15:02] that have any
[00:15:03] >> I think it depends on which battle
[00:15:04] you're fighting so if the battle you're
[00:15:05] fighting is against radical transgender
[00:15:07] ideology then obviously you're going to
[00:15:08] find alliance with with religious
[00:15:10] Muslims who agree on these issues which
[00:15:12] always puzzled the left right the left
[00:15:13] is always confused when Muslim places
[00:15:15] like Dearbornne would say, "We don't
[00:15:16] want drag queen story hour for for
[00:15:18] example." But if you're talking about
[00:15:20] civilizationally and and you're talking
[00:15:22] about a a system that is built on human
[00:15:25] freedom and individual rights, are you
[00:15:27] more in conflict with, you know, people
[00:15:29] who vote Democrat or are you more in
[00:15:30] conflict with radical Muslims? I mean, I
[00:15:33] think that you're you're you're more in
[00:15:34] conflict with radical Muslims on that on
[00:15:35] on that particular matter, even if you
[00:15:37] disagree on really important and weighty
[00:15:39] matters that do matter, like drag queen
[00:15:40] story hour, you know, like the the the
[00:15:42] attempt to merge civilizations with or
[00:15:45] or pretend to weigh conflict between,
[00:15:47] say, Pakistan and the United States, or
[00:15:48] to or say, you know, the Taliban, they
[00:15:50] do a really good job with their drug
[00:15:51] policing. You you can do this with
[00:15:53] literally any evil civilization on
[00:15:55] planet Earth. You can look at Venezuela
[00:15:56] and talk about how they're really really
[00:15:58] good when it comes to abortion and and
[00:16:00] still recognize, hey, maybe that's not a
[00:16:02] civilizational idea that we ought to
[00:16:04] adopt as as an allied civilization. And
[00:16:07] so, you know, again, I think it some of
[00:16:08] it's based, but but in general, do we
[00:16:10] have more in common with kind of secular
[00:16:13] left-wing Americans than we do with
[00:16:15] radical Muslims? Uh, I I would say yes.
[00:16:18] If you're talking about like mainstream
[00:16:19] Muslims who again, like Bay is talking
[00:16:21] about, many of whom are sort of middle
[00:16:23] class, have assimilated to American
[00:16:24] values, then sure. I mean those those
[00:16:25] would just be called in many cases norm
[00:16:27] norm conservatives who happen to go to
[00:16:28] mosque.
[00:16:29] >> But Michael I think you've sort of
[00:16:31] identified one of the limits of the term
[00:16:34] Christian nationalism because in the
[00:16:37] again to be like just totally jingoistic
[00:16:40] you know this country developed a very
[00:16:43] unique type of Christianity that did
[00:16:46] believe that civil liberties and freedom
[00:16:49] were religious imperatives. Most
[00:16:52] religions don't have that. Islam
[00:16:54] certainly does not have that as a core
[00:16:57] component of what it means to worship
[00:16:59] God. I mean, the founding fathers really
[00:17:01] believed that you defended the religious
[00:17:04] liberty of your neighbor, not because
[00:17:05] you were tolerant, but because that was
[00:17:07] the covenant you made with your God. And
[00:17:10] I think that just saying what Christian
[00:17:11] nationalists like in this country, it
[00:17:14] doesn't quite do justice to what that
[00:17:16] means. It means a very specific American
[00:17:18] thing that is deeply tied to the concept
[00:17:21] of freedom, the concept of protecting
[00:17:24] the rights of our neighbors, their their
[00:17:26] their property, you know, their their
[00:17:28] their bodily autonomy and all of these
[00:17:30] things that are so fundamental to what
[00:17:32] it means to be an American. And I think
[00:17:33] what it means probably to you to be a
[00:17:35] Christian. I do want to say um I I I
[00:17:37] don't disagree with much of what you
[00:17:39] said, Ben. I basically am at this like
[00:17:42] immigration should be zero right now
[00:17:43] until we figure out what's going on. I
[00:17:45] think many, many Americans feel like
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[00:17:57] marketplace, undercutting American
[00:17:58] wages, living off of American taxpayers.
[00:18:01] It's despicable. But I do think that
[00:18:03] because of the nature of American
[00:18:05] capitalism, our problems with
[00:18:07] immigration have largely been on the
[00:18:09] economic front, on the front of sort of
[00:18:11] dignity for working Americans and less
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[00:18:16] lot of the people who are here illegally
[00:18:18] even these people are Christians. I mean
[00:18:20] they're very similar to us, you know,
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[00:21:12] >> So to to Batia to your point uh I think
[00:21:15] it's it's important to when we think
[00:21:17] about what Christian nationalism means.
[00:21:18] Yes. It's obviously within an American
[00:21:20] context. There's this funny story. I
[00:21:21] don't know if you guys saw it where this
[00:21:23] USA Today journalist, he posted a
[00:21:26] picture of the pine tree flag. It was
[00:21:28] flying at the Department of Education or
[00:21:30] something and it was the pine tree flag.
[00:21:31] This is white standard pine tree. It
[00:21:33] says an appeal to heaven. And uh he says
[00:21:35] this is evidence of January 6th
[00:21:38] insurrectionist Christian nationalism
[00:21:40] and people quickly pointed out the flag
[00:21:43] was commissioned by uh George Washington
[00:21:46] and it's one of the earliest American
[00:21:48] flags and furthermore the phrase an
[00:21:50] appeal to heaven comes from John
[00:21:53] Lockach's second treatise of government
[00:21:55] which is the foundational text of
[00:21:56] political liberalism. So, uh, it it I
[00:21:59] actually like that he called it
[00:22:00] Christian nationalist because I said,
[00:22:01] well, okay, if that's Christian
[00:22:02] nationalism, then what does that tell
[00:22:04] you about George Washington and the
[00:22:06] founding and even the founders views of
[00:22:08] John Lock is it was understood through
[00:22:11] the lens of a Christian nation. And so,
[00:22:14] to your point, Batia, yes, you know,
[00:22:16] it's it's kind of weird. We've been
[00:22:18] tolerant for a long time. They even
[00:22:19] tolerated Catholics in Maryland. They
[00:22:21] they tolerate them so much now we have a
[00:22:22] Catholic VP. Washington famously wrote
[00:22:25] his letter to the Jews and said, "Hey,
[00:22:27] we like you guys. You're welcome here."
[00:22:28] There were Jews who fought in the
[00:22:29] American Revolution. But there are
[00:22:31] limits to these things and I I think the
[00:22:34] way to understand these limits is not
[00:22:35] necessarily ideologically this abstract
[00:22:38] idea, you know, that diversity is our
[00:22:40] strength and we're open to everyone. I
[00:22:41] would just point out that yeah, all
[00:22:43] these different Christian groups were
[00:22:44] constituent in the country. Washington
[00:22:46] writes his letter to the Jews.
[00:22:48] Washington doesn't write his letter to
[00:22:49] the Shiites. [laughter] And maybe there
[00:22:52] are some groups that just like don't
[00:22:54] totally fit. I Drew, am I a bigot?
[00:22:56] >> Uh well, you're definitely a bigot, but
[00:22:58] that doesn't mean [laughter] you're
[00:22:59] always in the wrong. Uh you know, I I I
[00:23:02] do think, look, I I agree with with BA
[00:23:04] that America uh has a a better record at
[00:23:07] assimilating and and should have a
[00:23:09] better record as assimilating because
[00:23:10] it's part of our original thesis where
[00:23:12] it's not part of England's thesis.
[00:23:14] England is for English people and French
[00:23:16] is for the Franks, the descendants of
[00:23:17] the Franks, and they just do not have
[00:23:19] the systems in place that we have. But I
[00:23:21] do think, look, this is part of a a
[00:23:24] bigger movement that's going on. what
[00:23:26] Ben said about uh Muslims, radical
[00:23:29] Muslims making common cause with
[00:23:31] leftists, the anti-semitism that's now
[00:23:33] on the rise on the right. I have I have
[00:23:36] long argued that anti-semitism is the
[00:23:39] devil's flag pole, that is a sign that
[00:23:40] evil is uh uprising because I believe
[00:23:43] that people hate the Jews because they
[00:23:44] hate the god the Jews represent. I
[00:23:46] that's that's what I think it comes down
[00:23:47] to. I think every other explanation
[00:23:49] doesn't hold water and I think it's is a
[00:23:50] spiritual crisis. And these come about
[00:23:53] when you have what you have right now,
[00:23:55] which is this tremendous cultural shift
[00:23:58] that is in process. And we don't know
[00:24:00] where it's going to uh end, but we know
[00:24:01] it leaves a lot of opening for the bugs
[00:24:04] that crawl out from under the rocks to
[00:24:06] crawl up and see if they can get them
[00:24:07] themselves in place to be the next
[00:24:09] generation. And I think this means
[00:24:11] something for everybody. I think all of
[00:24:12] us have this obligation now to actually
[00:24:15] just stand fast and actually be very
[00:24:18] clear about what it is we believe and
[00:24:19] not play footsie with these guys on any
[00:24:22] side. And I think this idea that there's
[00:24:24] some kind of delicacy that we have to
[00:24:26] show to Islamic people is absurd by not
[00:24:29] calling out the evil people among them.
[00:24:31] We make it harder for the nice decent
[00:24:33] Muslims among them. uh and for not
[00:24:36] calling out. I mean, when people took to
[00:24:38] the street after October 7th to condemn
[00:24:41] the Jews, which happened instantaneously
[00:24:43] after October 7th before the blood was
[00:24:45] dry, I think it's time for people to
[00:24:47] like step up, you know, and I don't
[00:24:49] think there's any kind of uh room for,
[00:24:53] you know, I I don't know, for dithering.
[00:24:55] There's
[00:24:56] >> I think that I think that one of the
[00:24:57] things that's happened here is there's
[00:24:58] an attempt to ideologically parse issues
[00:25:00] that people don't actually understand on
[00:25:01] a practical level ideologically. And so
[00:25:03] you'll see a lot of discussion in kind
[00:25:05] of our spaces about the differences
[00:25:07] between anti-ionism or dislike of Israel
[00:25:10] and anti-semitism and all this kind of
[00:25:12] stuff. And it's like, well, yeah, I
[00:25:13] mean, you can play those games all the
[00:25:15] time and some of them are important. You
[00:25:16] know, some of those discussions are
[00:25:18] important. Where where is the line and
[00:25:19] all the rest of this, but let's just be
[00:25:20] clear. 99% of people who hate Jews hate
[00:25:24] Israel and tell lies about it. Okay?
[00:25:25] That that's just a reality, okay? and
[00:25:27] pretending that when you go out there
[00:25:29] and you and you have hundreds of
[00:25:31] thousands of people who are telling lies
[00:25:33] about Israel in the streets and that's
[00:25:35] going to have no impact on how those
[00:25:36] people think about Jews and that's not
[00:25:38] going to present any threat to Jews as a
[00:25:39] as a sort of after effect is just as
[00:25:41] silly as if you had hundreds of
[00:25:43] thousands of people protesting against
[00:25:44] Americans in other places in the world
[00:25:46] and you think that's not going to lead
[00:25:47] to anti-Americanism and danger to
[00:25:49] Americans in those go
[00:25:51] in other words does it go you know if 90
[00:25:53] yeah I certainly 90 100% of the people
[00:25:55] who hate the Jews hate Israel And we'll
[00:25:57] come up with all sorts of reasons to
[00:25:59] criticize Israel. But does it go does it
[00:26:01] go the other way that you know 99% of
[00:26:03] the people who criticize Israel?
[00:26:04] >> No. Not 99. No. 99. No. I criticize
[00:26:06] Israel. Okay. Every everyone criticizes
[00:26:08] Israel because Israel is a state and
[00:26:10] we're all in the business of criticizing
[00:26:11] various states for various policies. We
[00:26:13] all criticize France. We all criticize
[00:26:14] Germany. Doesn't make us anti-French or
[00:26:16] anti-German. And if you criticize
[00:26:17] Israel, obviously, that's just part of
[00:26:19] the that's just part of the process of
[00:26:21] trying to get to honest answers about
[00:26:22] what public policy should look like. But
[00:26:24] I will say this, 95% of the people who
[00:26:26] lie about Israel hate the Jews.
[00:26:29] >> Okay? People who lie because if you lie
[00:26:31] about people typically it's because you
[00:26:32] hate them. It is not because you are
[00:26:34] seeking a a true and honest solution to
[00:26:36] [laughter] a problem. If you are if I
[00:26:38] were to just tell lies about Michael
[00:26:39] every single day just
[00:26:41] >> you've done it for 10 years. Every day
[00:26:43] you do [laughter] it
[00:26:43] >> and and this and you're just proving my
[00:26:45] point because I hate you, right? Like
[00:26:47] this is the
[00:26:49] this is the actual logic, right? But no,
[00:26:51] wait. I think you can hate Michael and
[00:26:53] tell the absolute truth about it.
[00:26:54] [laughter] In fact, I think it's
[00:26:55] contentious
[00:26:57] the topic.
[00:26:58] >> I have to point I got to point out um
[00:27:00] the the protests against Israel after
[00:27:02] October 7th happen on college campuses.
[00:27:05] Okay, I I'm not saying that we don't
[00:27:07] have a problem with anti-Zionism in this
[00:27:10] country. I'm just saying it's not coming
[00:27:12] from like Muslims. It's coming from
[00:27:14] elite leftists. Okay? You look at
[00:27:17] someone like Mamani, people out here
[00:27:18] calling him a jihadist. This guy's not a
[00:27:21] jihadi. He's your typical
[00:27:23] overcredentialed careerist. [laughter]
[00:27:25] He sounds like every other college
[00:27:27] educated leftist. Like he's just a p
[00:27:30] he's pure careerism. And he'll say
[00:27:32] anything. When it was, you know,
[00:27:34] important to say I hate Israel, to be a
[00:27:36] careerist, to to move up the ladder, he
[00:27:38] said that. When it was important to
[00:27:39] shake hands with Trump, he did that. And
[00:27:41] I I'm just saying it's really important
[00:27:43] that we understand where it's coming
[00:27:44] from because
[00:27:45] >> I totally disagree with this. I totally
[00:27:46] disagree. But if you look [laughter] at
[00:27:47] Zor Mani, Zor Maldani's fundamental
[00:27:50] through line his entire career is the
[00:27:53] radical Islamic side of Israel hatred.
[00:27:55] The the students he started off as a
[00:27:57] students for justice in Palestine guy.
[00:27:58] Every single argument they made for
[00:28:00] years and years and years.
[00:28:02] >> Yeah. Yes. But but those are not those
[00:28:04] are not mutually exclusive. I mean,
[00:28:05] >> but they're very different, Ben. They
[00:28:06] are very different. Okay. This guy, you
[00:28:08] look at his wife like this is not a
[00:28:10] religious person. His mom's a Hindu.
[00:28:12] Ben, I Okay, I got a PhD at Berkeley.
[00:28:14] Okay. These people don't sound like
[00:28:16] jihadists. I'm not saying that makes it
[00:28:18] bad. They hate Israel with an equal
[00:28:20] passion. I'm just saying it stems from
[00:28:23] that.
[00:28:24] >> The the Jews are fighting. Could you
[00:28:25] hand me a cigar, please? [laughter]
[00:28:29] >> Cuz this could go on forever. You know,
[00:28:31] >> our synagogue. I mean, this is like
[00:28:32] every Friday night, right?
[00:28:33] >> I was going to say I have you ever hear
[00:28:35] Jews fighting? This could go on for
[00:28:36] 2,000 years. [laughter]
[00:28:39] The reason the only reason I say that
[00:28:41] that any of this is is important on an
[00:28:43] ideological level is because if you are
[00:28:45] going to fight an evil that springs from
[00:28:46] an ideology, you have to actually
[00:28:48] discuss the ideology. And if that
[00:28:49] ideology is radical Islam, it's radical
[00:28:51] Islam. And if that ideology is far left,
[00:28:53] it's far leftism. And they can hold
[00:28:54] hands in one person the way that they do
[00:28:56] in Zoran Mani pretty clearly. Um, but
[00:28:58] you know, when when when we talk the
[00:29:00] thing that that that drives me a bit up
[00:29:02] a wall is when we pretend that certain
[00:29:04] ideologies either don't exist, and this
[00:29:06] is true on all sides of the aisle. If
[00:29:08] you just pretend things don't exist
[00:29:09] because you don't like them,
[00:29:10] >> they are likely to grow. And then
[00:29:12] there's also this tendency on the part
[00:29:14] of public policy makers who are
[00:29:15] perfectly happy to allow those
[00:29:16] ideologies to grow to then look to some
[00:29:18] sort of distraction, some shiny bble out
[00:29:21] here, usually it's gun control, right?
[00:29:22] And so if you're Australia and you
[00:29:24] decide that you're going to import
[00:29:25] hundreds of thousands of Muslims from
[00:29:26] places like Syria and that you are going
[00:29:28] to tolerate people in your streets
[00:29:30] shouting for the murder of Jews for
[00:29:32] years on end and and and a a huge spike
[00:29:35] in the number of anti-semitic attacks in
[00:29:37] your country and then a bunch of Jews
[00:29:38] get shot on a beach and your first move
[00:29:40] is hey we got a gun problem here.
[00:29:42] Clearly it was that was even you missed
[00:29:44] Chuck Schumer because he was that was
[00:29:46] the biggest laugh. The only laugh I had
[00:29:48] after this bloody weekend was he said,
[00:29:50] "I've got to talk about the terrible uh
[00:29:52] atrocity that took place in Australia."
[00:29:53] The first go Bills. Go Bills. The
[00:29:55] Buffalo [laughter] Bills. He's rooting
[00:29:57] for the Buffalo Bills. I thought this
[00:29:58] guy is he's the most powerful Jew in the
[00:30:01] country. I think you know Chuck Schumer.
[00:30:02] I just thought like go Bill. I'm sorry I
[00:30:05] actually [laughter]
[00:30:07] So I'm glad that somebody listen I love
[00:30:08] the Buffalo Bills and I would never
[00:30:10] [laughter]
[00:30:12] for crying out loud, you know.
[00:30:14] >> Yes. I you know I I do wonder if you
[00:30:16] know to to bring back this throughine of
[00:30:18] isn't it so weird you know you got the
[00:30:20] radical leftists on one hand you got the
[00:30:22] Islamists on the other you have Manny I
[00:30:24] guess is the intersection but they they
[00:30:26] don't seem to share a lot you know and
[00:30:28] people scratch their heads they say well
[00:30:29] don't the liberals know that those
[00:30:31] Muslims would they don't like
[00:30:32] homosexuals or they don't like women or
[00:30:34] they make them wear hijabs or whatever
[00:30:36] and and and you think yeah but their
[00:30:38] coalition actually does make sense
[00:30:40] because all political coalitions all
[00:30:43] political campaigns
[00:30:44] are are defined by their enemy, by who
[00:30:47] they're trying to beat. So yeah, you get
[00:30:49] a lot of weird people who probably kind
[00:30:51] of hate each other in the mix, but they
[00:30:53] have a common enemy, so they go fight
[00:30:54] the enemy, and then once they defeat the
[00:30:55] enemy, maybe they form new coalitions
[00:30:57] and fight themselves. To me, makes
[00:30:58] perfect sense. [laughter]
[00:31:00] >> But there there's a very important
[00:31:01] difference, right? Like the leftists,
[00:31:03] they worship the Palestinian cause
[00:31:05] because they have this like worship of
[00:31:07] weakness, of objection. They have
[00:31:09] oppression envy. Okay? It's a bunch of
[00:31:11] rich kids who have nothing to whine
[00:31:13] about, but they live in a context in
[00:31:14] which the only virtue is how powerless
[00:31:16] you are. And they have this like envy of
[00:31:19] oppression. And so they they outsource
[00:31:21] their virtue to people who they consider
[00:31:23] to be like, you know, less powerful,
[00:31:25] which is, you know, means darker skin,
[00:31:28] right? That's that's wokeness, right?
[00:31:30] That that's one thing. That's one sort
[00:31:31] of psychological, philosophical,
[00:31:33] political mindset. The jihadis want
[00:31:36] power so they could kill people, right?
[00:31:38] like it's like a very different and you
[00:31:40] fight them in very different ways. So,
[00:31:43] and I just worry that like this is the
[00:31:45] threat in America. This is really not
[00:31:47] because this is such a great country and
[00:31:49] even with all of our problems with
[00:31:50] immigration, we somehow managed to avoid
[00:31:52] this problem and should still keep doing
[00:31:54] that and avoid even more problems by
[00:31:56] having zero immigration. But to
[00:31:57] misunderstand where it's coming from, I
[00:31:59] think will actually let these people off
[00:32:01] the hook and get us to that place
[00:32:03] because they have that crisis of
[00:32:05] confidence that we talked about in the
[00:32:06] beginning. And I think it's guys like
[00:32:08] you and the Daily Wire that are really
[00:32:10] really trying to say to the American
[00:32:12] people, you have to love what you are.
[00:32:14] Otherwise, it's like it's finished.
[00:32:16] >> Yeah. I I I got to say I'm a little bit
[00:32:18] with Ben here on this botch because I
[00:32:19] think we do have this we're really huge.
[00:32:22] You know, Britain is the size of Oregon.
[00:32:24] We are a huge country. So, we can dilute
[00:32:26] this a lot better. But when you look at
[00:32:28] Dearbornne, Michigan, you think there is
[00:32:30] some magical number where suddenly uh
[00:32:32] you know, things are not so great. So
[00:32:33] I'm I I think that we we may you may be
[00:32:36] overlooking uh the power of an ideology.
[00:32:40] I mean people do not just come here and
[00:32:41] give up their religion. They you know
[00:32:43] especially if they hang together
[00:32:44] especially if they're refugees and
[00:32:45] they're not even called upon uh to
[00:32:47] assimilate. So I I think that it's a
[00:32:49] matter of time. If we if we were to
[00:32:51] leave the border open as the left
[00:32:53] obviously clearly would happily do I
[00:32:56] think we'd be in a European jam pretty
[00:32:58] quickly. I think uh you know what what
[00:33:01] Europe has done is so absurd to let that
[00:33:04] many people in relation to their
[00:33:05] populations come in but you know it's a
[00:33:08] lot harder for us to do that but if we
[00:33:10] did it we'd be in the same fix they're
[00:33:11] in
[00:33:11] >> but then the question is so what what do
[00:33:13] we do now you know I mean my ideal
[00:33:15] solution of course would be raise an
[00:33:17] army retake [laughter]
[00:33:19] and Antioch and you know reestablish
[00:33:23] Baldwin's kingdom or something but
[00:33:24] assuming we're not going to do that
[00:33:26] within the context of America what what
[00:33:28] are we [snorts] supposed to too this you
[00:33:29] know if you have a purely credle idea of
[00:33:31] identity then you know I don't know half
[00:33:33] of the people we went to college with
[00:33:35] would would not be American even if
[00:33:36] their parents came on the Mayflower and
[00:33:38] uh you know if we have this I don't know
[00:33:40] we don't we don't really have a purely
[00:33:41] racial basis for America uh certainly
[00:33:43] haven't in a long time and so what you
[00:33:46] know what what do you do about the
[00:33:47] problem what do you do about the the
[00:33:49] total collapse of social solidarity that
[00:33:51] this problem represents
[00:33:52] >> well I'm assimilation I'm for like yeah
[00:33:55] I mean again I think that we are in fact
[00:33:58] a credle country and there is no other
[00:34:00] definition of Americanism that tends to
[00:34:02] hold historical water. The the the the
[00:34:05] notion that we are, you know, a a
[00:34:07] heritage-based country, meaning that
[00:34:09] you're more American because your great
[00:34:10] great great great grandparents got here
[00:34:12] as opposed to your great great great
[00:34:13] great grandparents got here. [laughter]
[00:34:16] Uh that that is going to be a very very
[00:34:18] difficult proposition.
[00:34:19] >> I don't know. I mean, what does John J
[00:34:21] say in Federalist 2? In Federalist 2, he
[00:34:22] says, "I take it as a mark of providence
[00:34:24] that he doesn't discount the creed, but
[00:34:27] he says, we all come from the same
[00:34:28] ancestors. We all had the same
[00:34:30] experience of the revolution. We all
[00:34:31] believe in the same religion roughly,
[00:34:33] you know, it's kind of heterodox
[00:34:34] religion
[00:34:35] >> and and that was that was I mean,
[00:34:36] Michael, that was true in 1785
[00:34:38] [laughter]
[00:34:40] when when the when the country was
[00:34:41] founded. Uh and and let's just be clear
[00:34:43] that if we were actually going to go by
[00:34:46] that standard, if we were going to go by
[00:34:47] the full heritage American standard, the
[00:34:48] first people get kic kicked out of the
[00:34:50] papists. [laughter]
[00:34:51] >> No, no, the heritage the heritage would
[00:34:55] be, you know, the look [laughter] I'm
[00:34:57] >> Oh, no. The the heritage would not go in
[00:34:59] your favor, my sister.
[00:35:00] >> It certainly would. I have a cigar
[00:35:02] company called Mayflower Cigars. And I
[00:35:04] guess this actually gets to Drew's
[00:35:05] point, which is look, we had we've had
[00:35:07] the the largest demographic shift that's
[00:35:09] ever taken place anywhere in history has
[00:35:11] taken place since the Heart Seller Act
[00:35:12] in 1965. And so you have a major
[00:35:15] upturning of the of the demographics of
[00:35:17] the country. And now when we talk about,
[00:35:20] you know, a a much larger white share of
[00:35:22] the population, to your point, Ben, when
[00:35:24] we talk about white people in the 20th
[00:35:26] century, we're we're largely not talking
[00:35:28] about the Mayflower or Massachusetts Bay
[00:35:30] Colony. We're talking about people who
[00:35:32] came in later from other parts of
[00:35:33] Europe. But I guess to Drew's point,
[00:35:35] what we used to do is we used to
[00:35:37] assimilate. I think of this even in like
[00:35:39] the book of Ruth, like your people will
[00:35:40] be my people, your God will be my God.
[00:35:42] People used to kind of marry into that.
[00:35:44] There was intermingling. There was there
[00:35:45] was a sense that there is an old
[00:35:47] American stock, but people kind of get
[00:35:48] grafted in and they move in and out. And
[00:35:50] it seems to me that's totally gone. And
[00:35:52] to say that there is no people, you
[00:35:55] know, that have been here for a long
[00:35:56] time going back to the Revolution or the
[00:35:58] Civil War or the Mayflower or what have
[00:36:00] you, to me that seems to undercut a a
[00:36:02] really important part of what a nation
[00:36:03] is.
[00:36:04] >> Oh, no. I'm not I'm not saying that it's
[00:36:05] not part of a nation, but to pretend
[00:36:06] that that the chief definition by which
[00:36:08] we determine Americanism is is is
[00:36:10] ancestry is of course silly. And and not
[00:36:12] only is it silly, it's it's historically
[00:36:14] inaccurate. And if you're going to go
[00:36:16] back to the original foundations of the
[00:36:17] country, there were heavy divisions
[00:36:18] between the states based on the actual
[00:36:20] ancestry. I mean that was even even when
[00:36:22] John J was writing that that was
[00:36:23] glossing over some pretty significant
[00:36:24] distinctions between say the Scottish
[00:36:25] Irish and the English right so there
[00:36:28] there are real conflicts that have
[00:36:29] existed since the foundation of the
[00:36:30] country over exactly this sort of stuff
[00:36:32] and now we say white but for a while
[00:36:34] there are some pretty you know
[00:36:35] significant anger about Swedish imports
[00:36:37] and German imports and Italian imports
[00:36:39] and Irish imports and if you go back to
[00:36:40] the no nothings of the 1840s they were
[00:36:42] not protesting against Muslim
[00:36:43] immigration or Jewish immigration they
[00:36:45] were protesting in large part against
[00:36:47] Catholic immigration coming from places
[00:36:48] like Ireland and Italy and
[00:36:51] or in pre- Italy, Italy, right? The the
[00:36:52] the Italian areas because the surge of
[00:36:54] mentos hadn't happened yet.
[00:36:55] >> I call it North Africa. So distorting
[00:36:57] about the left's racial uh play that
[00:37:00] they've made and they've imposed on all
[00:37:01] of us really uh well is that you know
[00:37:03] we're a British country. We're a
[00:37:05] British-based country and people like me
[00:37:07] and Ben and Bacha who are not
[00:37:09] Britishbased are perfectly happy to say
[00:37:11] yeah that was a good idea. We will take
[00:37:12] that idea. But when you say oh it's a
[00:37:14] white person's you know the British are
[00:37:16] white and therefore it's a problem. I
[00:37:18] mean, you're talking nonsense to begin
[00:37:19] with, but it also is, you know, it's
[00:37:22] debilitating to the assimilating
[00:37:24] process. You know, the assimilation
[00:37:25] process is, yeah, we we have British a
[00:37:28] British means of uh politics, a British
[00:37:30] way of thinking. Uh it goes back to Rome
[00:37:32] and and uh Greece and Jerusalem. And it,
[00:37:35] you know, it all comes through Britain
[00:37:36] to us. We're proud of that. All we
[00:37:39] should be proud of that. And we should
[00:37:40] learn it that way. We should be thankful
[00:37:41] to the British. We should be thankful to
[00:37:43] our an our idea ancestry and believe. We
[00:37:47] have to believe, we have no choice but
[00:37:48] to believe that that ancestry can be
[00:37:50] passed down uh to people of all
[00:37:52] different colors and and backgrounds.
[00:37:54] And that's why I mean I'm I'm with Ben
[00:37:56] on this that I I don't really care what
[00:37:58] color my American neighbor is. I care I
[00:38:00] do care very deeply that he is on board
[00:38:03] with the American project which is a
[00:38:05] very specific project. It is not just
[00:38:07] any project. It is a constitutional uh
[00:38:10] individualist, you know, project and it
[00:38:12] is to some degree a Christian project
[00:38:14] just in the broad project in the
[00:38:16] broadest sense of that word in the
[00:38:17] enlightenment sense of that word. Uh but
[00:38:19] it's not a racial project, you know.
[00:38:21] >> Well, I think this is this is the thing
[00:38:22] that I think really matters about the
[00:38:23] constitution and the declaration
[00:38:25] particularly which are you know the sort
[00:38:26] of secular hallmark of Americanism. The
[00:38:29] reason that that's important is because
[00:38:30] if you look at how the left treats these
[00:38:32] documents, they treat them as an
[00:38:32] outgrowth of whiteness and therefore
[00:38:34] bad, right? Right? They make the
[00:38:35] argument that these documents are white
[00:38:37] people documents and they were written
[00:38:38] by white people for the preserv I mean
[00:38:40] this is Nicole Hannah Jones's entire
[00:38:41] argument in the 1619 project right is
[00:38:43] that all these ideas are just an
[00:38:45] outgrowth of doineering patriarchal
[00:38:47] whiteness and therefore they are
[00:38:48] inherently bad and so when you grant the
[00:38:50] argument that they are quote unquote an
[00:38:51] outgrowth of whiteness as opposed to an
[00:38:53] outgrowth of great human brains
[00:38:55] [laughter] coming from a particular
[00:38:56] culture for sure and coming from a
[00:38:58] particular place but applicable to
[00:39:00] people who can in fact join the team
[00:39:02] then then the the country can't grow in
[00:39:05] any other way and you can't create a
[00:39:07] definition of Americanism that isn't
[00:39:08] going to end up first of all I I'm not
[00:39:10] sure I see the pragmatic solution here.
[00:39:12] I think that you're you're you're
[00:39:13] basically throwing out the baby with the
[00:39:14] bath water. It seems to me that we can
[00:39:16] absolutely hold by a credle country and
[00:39:18] keep people out we don't want here on
[00:39:19] the basis of that creed. Whereas I think
[00:39:21] that if you if you go to a sort of more
[00:39:23] heritage American ancestry based system
[00:39:26] for determining Americanism first of all
[00:39:27] you will never win an election just on a
[00:39:29] pragmatic level. There aren't enough
[00:39:30] people who are like that. And I mean the
[00:39:32] number of descendants of of the
[00:39:33] Mayflower is a very very small
[00:39:35] percentage of the population of the
[00:39:37] United States. It just is. And so
[00:39:39] >> 10 million probably. Yeah. Which is
[00:39:41] small. [laughter]
[00:39:42] >> That is smaller than that that is
[00:39:43] smaller than the Muslim population of
[00:39:45] the United States or close to it. Right.
[00:39:47] So you're you're now now you're talking
[00:39:49] in fractions of percentages here. You're
[00:39:51] talking about 3% of the population is a
[00:39:53] Mayflower descendant. So if you want to
[00:39:55] build an entire political movement on
[00:39:56] the descendants of the Mayflower, I
[00:39:58] congratulate you on never winning an
[00:39:59] election.
[00:40:00] >> No. Here. Listen. I'll clarify my point
[00:40:02] before before Bati gives us the real
[00:40:03] answer to everything. I guess my
[00:40:05] [laughter] my point is the reason I
[00:40:06] recoil from this idea that we're a
[00:40:07] creedle country is that America did not
[00:40:10] understand herself that way for a long
[00:40:12] time. There was a creedle aspect to it
[00:40:14] without question. But this is why I I
[00:40:16] keep going back to the Bible and I think
[00:40:17] that Ruth joining the Israelites is so
[00:40:19] important to it. I I obviously believe
[00:40:21] in assimilation and intermarriage. Ruth
[00:40:23] is in the genealogy of Christ, you know.
[00:40:25] I think and then they go to Bethlehem
[00:40:26] actually, you know, right after she
[00:40:28] leaves the Moabites. Like I I I'm a big
[00:40:31] believer in that. But it just seems to
[00:40:33] me that you need to have three aspects
[00:40:34] to a country. Yes, you need to have some
[00:40:37] kind of creed, some kind of common
[00:40:38] belief. Yes, you have to have common
[00:40:40] sacrifice. Uh this is what Boaz says to
[00:40:43] Ruth, actually. He says, you know, the
[00:40:45] reason that I Who's calling me? Is this
[00:40:47] Boaz? This is what happens when you
[00:40:49] don't turn your phone off on your show.
[00:40:50] Uh you you have um what what Boaz says
[00:40:53] to Ruth, which is look, I'm accepting
[00:40:55] you because of what you've done for your
[00:40:57] mother-in-law, what you've done for us.
[00:40:58] So there's a sacrificial component.
[00:41:00] People Americanized through wars and all
[00:41:01] that kind of stuff, but there is a
[00:41:03] people component to it too. And I guess
[00:41:05] the reason a lot of people recoil from
[00:41:06] this purely abstract creedle aspect is
[00:41:09] because I think we all know if you just
[00:41:11] totally swapped out the people and you
[00:41:13] put a bunch of Tibetans in America with
[00:41:14] the same geography and the same founding
[00:41:16] documents, you'd get a different
[00:41:18] country. And the way we know this is we
[00:41:20] tried it. We tried it in Liberia. We
[00:41:21] tried it in Mexico and it doesn't work.
[00:41:23] It's not about the color of your skin or
[00:41:25] something like that. It's about the
[00:41:26] traditions that are passed through
[00:41:27] people that are ineffable, that are not
[00:41:29] just abstract and ideological and and I
[00:41:32] think that part's important and that's
[00:41:33] been downplayed in liberal modernity.
[00:41:35] Batia, am I 100% right about that?
[00:41:38] [laughter]
[00:41:38] [gasps]
[00:41:39] Um, I hear both sides. I think the
[00:41:41] reason that the heritage argument is
[00:41:42] gaining traction is because white
[00:41:44] people, white men have been spoken about
[00:41:47] in such a disgusting way by the left who
[00:41:49] control the culture and the media for so
[00:41:51] long. And so people feel that if they
[00:41:54] belong to that group, they've been
[00:41:55] disinherited. And in a large part, if
[00:41:58] that is, you know, to the extent that
[00:41:59] you're a white man who happens to be
[00:42:00] workingass, it's my view that you have
[00:42:02] been by the elites of this country. So I
[00:42:05] understand why that conversation is on
[00:42:06] the rise. To me, a nation is I think
[00:42:09] you're right, Michael. There's a shared
[00:42:11] set of um cultural practices. There's a
[00:42:13] shared set of values, but there's also
[00:42:16] has to be a sense of obligation. And
[00:42:17] again, I think this is why it comes back
[00:42:19] often to this question of who the people
[00:42:21] are. Like obviously, it's very easy to
[00:42:24] feel a sense of obligation to your own
[00:42:25] children, to your husband, to your
[00:42:27] parents, to your siblings. It's much
[00:42:29] harder to feel a sense of obligation to
[00:42:31] people who live very far away. And
[00:42:33] that's it's supposed to be that way.
[00:42:34] That got perverted by the left. They
[00:42:36] find it much easier to feel a sense of
[00:42:38] obligation to strangers across the world
[00:42:40] than here. And that's perverse. That's
[00:42:42] disgusting. Right? That's the problem
[00:42:44] with this country that we had for so
[00:42:45] long is no one felt a sense of
[00:42:47] responsibility to the heartland, to the
[00:42:49] working class. Um, and and because of
[00:42:51] that challenge, I think people feel that
[00:42:53] if you just have a creed, how could you
[00:42:55] possibly have a nation? It's not enough
[00:42:57] to bind people together. This country
[00:42:59] really proved, I think, that that was
[00:43:00] not the case for a long time. And until
[00:43:03] 1965 when suddenly you went from 4% of
[00:43:05] the country being foreign born to right
[00:43:07] now it's the highest it's ever been in
[00:43:09] American history, 16% foreign born.
[00:43:11] That's bad. That's too much. That's why
[00:43:13] I think we need to have zero
[00:43:15] immigration. But to me, it's a lot more
[00:43:17] about the dignity of the average
[00:43:20] American who was forgotten for so long.
[00:43:23] And to what extent is that dignity
[00:43:25] co-extensive with importing, you know, a
[00:43:27] slave cast to undercut their wages. It
[00:43:30] has less to do with the cultural pieces
[00:43:31] because I do see in immigrants this real
[00:43:34] desire to join the amazing project. I
[00:43:37] mean, people who immigrate here legally,
[00:43:39] they often talk about like the being
[00:43:40] granted the greatest privilege on earth,
[00:43:42] which they have been. And I think the
[00:43:44] real problem comes from just this
[00:43:45] immense lack of gratitude that you hear
[00:43:47] from so many immigrants today that is
[00:43:51] such a turnoff to people. It's just
[00:43:53] appalling to have been given this gift
[00:43:56] and feel ungrateful. And so when you
[00:43:58] hear people talking like that, I think
[00:43:59] that really triggers a lot of people,
[00:44:01] including the president. Um, so yeah, I
[00:44:04] guess that shared sense of obligation.
[00:44:06] And the question is how much immigration
[00:44:08] is that co-extensive with? And I think
[00:44:10] we've really reached the limit.
[00:44:12] >> You know, I think I agree with you,
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[00:45:13] I'm telling you. I'm just telling you my
[00:45:15] >> happened. It happens all [laughter] the
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[00:45:41] resurrection every day. [laughter]
[00:45:43] >> It's very very impressive.
[00:45:45] >> It's you get especially for me when I'm
[00:45:48] on the road I eat like a pig. I eat like
[00:45:50] an absolute animal. I the other day I
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[00:46:16] >> That's the best ad I've ever agreed.
[00:46:18] That was really good. That was really
[00:46:20] strong. That's going to sell
[00:46:21] [clears throat] a lot of Balance of
[00:46:22] Nature, [laughter] Michael. Wow.
[00:46:25] >> All right. Moving on. President Trump's
[00:46:27] first year of his second term uh heading
[00:46:31] into obviously the second year, third
[00:46:33] year, fourth year, then the first year
[00:46:34] of the third term. And you got
[00:46:35] [laughter] a lot of runway ahead of us.
[00:46:37] What are the biggest dubs and the
[00:46:39] biggest L's, Mr. Shapiro? Okay, so uh
[00:46:42] biggest W's. Number one, shutting the
[00:46:44] border. Obviously been talking about it,
[00:46:46] but shutting the border is the biggest
[00:46:47] win because it's something that he could
[00:46:48] just do. And it also happened to debunk
[00:46:50] the gigantic lie that we need a huge
[00:46:52] gigantic piece of legislation to
[00:46:53] legalize 20 million people in order for
[00:46:56] us to shut the southern border. And he
[00:46:57] just did it like day one. And it and it
[00:46:59] hasn't been a problem since. It's
[00:47:01] actually turned into a bit of a problem
[00:47:02] for the Republicans that he solved the
[00:47:04] problem because it's no longer an issue
[00:47:05] Americans are worried about. So it's
[00:47:06] kind of dropped off of their list of
[00:47:08] issues that they care about as it's as
[00:47:10] it's become less of a threat to them in
[00:47:12] their daily lives. That's obviously his
[00:47:13] biggest W. I would obviously add his
[00:47:15] bombing of the nuclear reactor at
[00:47:17] Florida, which I think is one of the
[00:47:18] great historic foreign policy moves of
[00:47:20] my lifetime. The greatest actually
[00:47:22] because it was a single strike that
[00:47:24] basically destroyed the Iranian nuclear
[00:47:26] program and it required nothing more
[00:47:27] than a bomb coming from a plane and that
[00:47:30] was our intervention and I I really like
[00:47:32] those sorts of interventions. I think
[00:47:33] those interventions are great. Uh his
[00:47:35] biggest L um so I will I will give him
[00:47:39] uh an an L on the tariff policy. I know
[00:47:42] ter ba totally disagrees with me on
[00:47:43] this. I'll give him an L on terror
[00:47:45] policy mainly because not because it's
[00:47:47] been as bad as I think everybody was
[00:47:49] fearful that that it could be. The GDP
[00:47:51] last quarter was excellent. I I think
[00:47:53] that it has created a sense of disqu
[00:47:56] investment community and among regular
[00:47:57] Americans because they don't know kind
[00:47:58] of what's coming next and and obviously
[00:48:00] that's very Trumpian is that you don't
[00:48:01] know what's going to happen. Um but when
[00:48:04] it comes to an economy you actually kind
[00:48:05] of do want to know what's going to
[00:48:06] happen and so a lot of the dispsia about
[00:48:08] affordability is really not his fault.
[00:48:10] it's Joe Biden's fault because of the
[00:48:11] massive inflation under Biden, but
[00:48:13] people are reading the disqu that
[00:48:14] they're feeling about what happens next
[00:48:16] into things like like tariff policy. And
[00:48:18] then I I will say I think that what he
[00:48:19] said about Rob Reiner this week was
[00:48:20] truly one of the low points of his
[00:48:22] presidency. I thought it was really
[00:48:23] really really bad. Uh I I I thought that
[00:48:25] you know most people don't think of Rob
[00:48:26] Reiner as a political figure. They think
[00:48:28] of Rob Reiner as the guy from when Harry
[00:48:31] met Sally. When you have a case of Rob
[00:48:34] Reiner and his wife who are found slain
[00:48:36] in their home, allegedly murdered by
[00:48:37] their own son, not not a great time to
[00:48:40] to start mouththing off about, you know,
[00:48:42] how terrible Rob Reiner was politically.
[00:48:44] And so the the president's comments on
[00:48:46] that I thought were again, I I'm I'm
[00:48:48] very much used to the president's mode
[00:48:50] of speaking. We've been doing this for a
[00:48:51] decade and I I am not a person who jumps
[00:48:53] to outrage at stuff the president
[00:48:55] tweets. I'm the guy who's constantly
[00:48:56] saying that on his epitap it will say
[00:48:58] Donald Trump 45th and 47th president.
[00:49:00] The guy said a lot of So, like
[00:49:02] [laughter] I like I I get it, but that
[00:49:04] one was uniquely pretty egregiously bad.
[00:49:07] Uh and and I don't think that that that
[00:49:08] helps him in any serious way, either
[00:49:10] morally or politically.
[00:49:12] >> Gotcha.
[00:49:13] >> Well, I'm so glad I'm here for this
[00:49:15] episode so that the Daily Wire viewers
[00:49:17] will understand how wrong Ben is about
[00:49:19] the tariffs [laughter]
[00:49:20] because otherwise, who knows, they might
[00:49:22] get the really wrong impression. This is
[00:49:24] like a high point of American policy of
[00:49:27] use of the executive branch. I mean,
[00:49:30] come on. reversal of six decades of
[00:49:34] terrible, terrible economic policy that
[00:49:36] sold out the American working class and
[00:49:38] robbed them of their dignity reversed in
[00:49:41] a single day, April 2nd, Liberation Day.
[00:49:44] I know that I feel very liberated.
[00:49:46] [laughter] On a more serious note, I do
[00:49:48] think the tariffs are incredible. I
[00:49:50] mean, you have these trade deals with
[00:49:53] Japan. Who thought Japan's market would
[00:49:55] ever open to our cars? South Korea, the
[00:49:58] EU. You have 20 trillion dollars
[00:50:01] committed from the Middle East into
[00:50:03] manufacturing, reshoring here. Factories
[00:50:06] are being built. You've got Fizer, which
[00:50:09] was forced to give us for the first time
[00:50:12] most favored nation prices on drugs,
[00:50:14] which will save vulnerable senior
[00:50:16] citizens thousands of dollars because of
[00:50:18] tariffs. The closed border that you
[00:50:21] love, Ben, you know how we got that? We
[00:50:23] got that because of tariffs because he
[00:50:25] threatened Mexico and Shine Bomb had to
[00:50:28] put up or shut up and they started
[00:50:30] policing their side. We cannot control
[00:50:31] that border without the the help from
[00:50:34] the Mexican side. It just doesn't work.
[00:50:36] So, I just think that this was just
[00:50:38] somebody I was on a CNN panel and one of
[00:50:40] the panelists was like like bismerching
[00:50:42] Trump and she goes, "He thinks tariffs
[00:50:44] are like a a Swiss Army knife. Oh, you
[00:50:46] got a corkcrew. Oh, you got a scissors.
[00:50:48] Oh, you got a knife." And I was like,
[00:50:50] "Exactly. It does everything." So, I got
[00:50:53] to say the tariffs incredible. And I
[00:50:55] think the basis for so much of the stuff
[00:50:57] that we like on other fronts. And then
[00:50:59] for me, the L I would say is I don't
[00:51:02] really understand how he's using
[00:51:03] pardons. I I I just think that he'll
[00:51:06] often use them in a way that undercuts
[00:51:08] the things that I think he's doing so
[00:51:10] well. Whether it's, you know, pardoning
[00:51:12] this Honduran drug lord or I think, you
[00:51:14] know, the J6ers who hit cops, you know,
[00:51:17] he's so pro law and order. He's so back
[00:51:19] the blue. So, I I don't really
[00:51:21] understand, I have to say, how he uses
[00:51:23] the power of the pardon. Um, I think
[00:51:25] probably between him and Joe Biden,
[00:51:27] we're kind of understanding that this
[00:51:29] was like kind of a weird thing to have
[00:51:31] like no limits on in the first place,
[00:51:34] but um I don't like that. I don't like
[00:51:36] how he's been doing that.
[00:51:37] >> Drew, well, I I completely agree with
[00:51:40] Botch about the tariffs. I think they
[00:51:41] were the whole thing was an act of
[00:51:43] hysteria and he's used them very well.
[00:51:44] He used them as a bargaining tool tool
[00:51:46] and he did the the right thing. I agree
[00:51:48] with Ben that the border is so fantastic
[00:51:50] that we don't even think about it
[00:51:51] anymore. I mean, it's just so amazing.
[00:51:53] For me, the biggest win with Trump uh is
[00:51:55] cultural. I mean, the fact that this guy
[00:51:58] because, you know, I I wrote a novel
[00:51:59] called called True Crime in which only
[00:52:01] the person who had no manners could get
[00:52:03] to the truth. Only the person who had
[00:52:05] kind of lacks morals could get to the
[00:52:07] truth because the left had so wrapped
[00:52:09] the truth in politeness. And that was
[00:52:11] like all great art. It was predictive of
[00:52:13] Donald Trump before Donald Trump created
[00:52:14] Donald Trump. And I I think that because
[00:52:16] this guy is rude, because he's
[00:52:19] aggressive, because he's overly
[00:52:21] aggressive, uh, and says the thing that
[00:52:23] everybody else is thinking but won't
[00:52:24] say, he has broken the monopoly of the
[00:52:28] left. Uh, with with the help of people
[00:52:30] like us at the Daily Wire and all the
[00:52:31] other uh, rebel media, he has broken the
[00:52:34] grip of the left on our communications
[00:52:36] and on what we're allowed to say and uh,
[00:52:38] the the political correctness which had
[00:52:40] become a strangle hold on our thought
[00:52:42] and on our free speech. And I think
[00:52:43] that's beautiful. And I think it's one
[00:52:45] of the reasons that what he said about
[00:52:48] uh um Rob Reiner was so bad because he
[00:52:52] makes that toxic. He makes his freedom
[00:52:55] to say things toxic when he says
[00:52:56] something that actually should not have
[00:52:58] been said. All he had to do was keep
[00:53:00] silent. For me, his biggest loss, and I
[00:53:03] truly do not understand what he's up to
[00:53:05] here and why people aren't thinking this
[00:53:06] through, is this state capitalism where
[00:53:10] the the government is supposed to own a
[00:53:12] piece of private businesses. I
[00:53:14] understand the benefits of that, but it
[00:53:16] seems to me obvious that it's a a train
[00:53:19] coming down the track to to free
[00:53:21] enterprise because ultimately if the
[00:53:23] government owns 10% of Intel and I'm in
[00:53:26] my garage and I invent something better
[00:53:27] than Intel has, I can't build a business
[00:53:30] like Facebook or you know, some thing
[00:53:32] that just comes out of a guy's mind. I
[00:53:34] can't build that business if the
[00:53:35] government is thinking, hey, I don't
[00:53:36] want you to take my profits that I'm
[00:53:38] getting from Intel. I I should be able
[00:53:40] to compete uh with Intel just by the
[00:53:42] virtue of having a brilliant idea. And
[00:53:44] he's making that less likely. And of
[00:53:46] course, since it is a fascistic thing,
[00:53:48] the left is going to love it and they're
[00:53:49] going to use it against [laughter] us.
[00:53:51] But uh so so I just think uh I think the
[00:53:54] the border and the culture have been
[00:53:57] immeasurably improved by Donald Trump,
[00:54:00] but I think he sometimes does things
[00:54:01] without quite thinking through uh the
[00:54:03] the consequences once we lose power. And
[00:54:06] I think state capitalism is one.
[00:54:09] >> I'm just glad that none of you took my
[00:54:10] answers be because though I agree with
[00:54:12] much of what was said. I I think the
[00:54:14] biggest W of the first year was the
[00:54:18] personnel because there were there were
[00:54:20] so many personnel problems in the first
[00:54:22] administration. In his defense, he had
[00:54:23] not really been in politics before. He
[00:54:25] was getting some good advice, some bad
[00:54:27] advice, but there were some real
[00:54:28] clunkers in that first term. And I I
[00:54:30] think the machine is working much, much
[00:54:32] better now. It's just so efficient.
[00:54:34] Stuff is really getting done. Trump is
[00:54:36] not getting credit for it. Even on the
[00:54:37] deportations, he's being criticized from
[00:54:38] the right and it's bogus. They're using
[00:54:40] bogus numbers. The official number on
[00:54:42] formal deportations is well over half a
[00:54:45] million. When you factor in the easily
[00:54:47] measurable uh self-deportations, you're
[00:54:50] getting up toward 2 million or more of
[00:54:52] people who were here who should not have
[00:54:54] been here or foreign born uh when before
[00:54:56] Trump entered office into leaving now.
[00:54:59] And that's very very impressive. But the
[00:55:00] way that works, it's look, Steven Miller
[00:55:02] was in the first term, too. But there's
[00:55:03] just a machine that is working a lot
[00:55:05] better now. So, I think the personnel
[00:55:07] improvements have been really great. The
[00:55:09] biggest L to me, I'm actually surprised
[00:55:11] no one brought this up.
[00:55:13] >> The Epstein roll out, the the binders,
[00:55:15] and I just felt it was I I don't I don't
[00:55:18] see any evidence whatsoever that Trump
[00:55:20] is seriously implicated in Epstein or
[00:55:22] he's trying to cover up for himself or
[00:55:23] any I think that's totally bogus from
[00:55:25] the left. I just think that the PR roll
[00:55:27] out of that was so egregiously
[00:55:30] mishandled. It was this complete
[00:55:32] unforced error. And I think it really
[00:55:34] mattered with the base because what what
[00:55:37] a lot of people will say is well this
[00:55:39] Epstein thing it's a side issue. It's no
[00:55:41] big deal. There's no people overpromised
[00:55:42] and underdelled and you know why do you
[00:55:44] care about this? Who done it? But I
[00:55:46] think for the base Epstein represents
[00:55:49] this symbol of corruption of elite
[00:55:52] corruption. And you got Bill Clinton
[00:55:53] hanging with this guy, Bill Gates, all
[00:55:55] these people. And you know, it's the way
[00:55:57] it's described is truly out of a cartoon
[00:56:00] villain, you know, this creepy pedto
[00:56:02] island where all the elites are
[00:56:03] gathering to sleep with teenage girls
[00:56:05] and it's just uh you know, horrifying.
[00:56:08] And the the fact that we we keep being
[00:56:10] promised there's going to be this this
[00:56:12] roll out of it and then it doesn't
[00:56:14] deliver that that I think was a was an
[00:56:16] unforced error. And obviously they're
[00:56:18] trying to make up for that now and I
[00:56:19] suspect they will. But uh in terms of
[00:56:21] messaging that was rough. That said
[00:56:23] though, compared to everything else that
[00:56:25] was going on, it's a relatively minor
[00:56:27] error. I think it was a very very
[00:56:29] successful first year. I think he way
[00:56:31] outperformed expectations on the
[00:56:33] economy, on the tariffs, on on basically
[00:56:35] everything.
[00:56:36] >> Before um Ben rips me a new one on
[00:56:38] tariffs. [laughter] I can I defend the
[00:56:40] president on the Intel and on the
[00:56:42] Epstein very quickly?
[00:56:44] We gave Intel, was it $50 billion in the
[00:56:48] Chips and Science Act? So, Andrew, I'm
[00:56:51] sure you probably don't like that. Like,
[00:56:53] you would probably consider that to be
[00:56:55] maybe too much or what have you. Like,
[00:56:56] you you probably see that as crony
[00:56:58] capitalism, like the government
[00:57:00] shouldn't have given it to them in the
[00:57:01] first place. But to me, it's like we
[00:57:02] gave you $50 billion and all we're
[00:57:05] asking in return is 10% stake. Like,
[00:57:08] that seems pretty fair to me. I mean,
[00:57:10] that's that's a better deal than you'd
[00:57:11] get on Shark Tank. That's for sure. So,
[00:57:13] I feel [laughter] like that's and and I
[00:57:15] think it is important that we I I love
[00:57:17] the Chips and Science Act because we
[00:57:18] have to compete with China on chip. So,
[00:57:20] we have to be involved in this. I'm
[00:57:22] happy as a taxpayer to subsidize it, but
[00:57:24] I want to make sure I have a say in what
[00:57:26] happens and and I want to see some
[00:57:27] returns on that. On the Epstein thing, I
[00:57:29] got to tell you, Michael, I this is a
[00:57:31] great story. I tell people this a lot
[00:57:32] because it happened to me so many times.
[00:57:34] But I remember the first time this
[00:57:35] started bubbling up on like in the
[00:57:38] content creator sphere. And I had a guy
[00:57:41] ask me, this guy like works in a bar,
[00:57:43] middle-aged guy, lifetime Republican,
[00:57:46] loves Trump, former cop. He was like,
[00:57:49] "Wait a minute, who is this Epstein and
[00:57:52] why am I supposed to care about him?"
[00:57:54] And like that is exactly how I feel like
[00:57:57] normies like the normie like
[00:57:59] workingclass person feels about like
[00:58:02] they just do not care about Jefferson.
[00:58:04] >> I'm talking about the base really. I I
[00:58:06] agree. I think a lot
[00:58:07] >> that is the base. I mean that that is
[00:58:09] the base. It's not the people who are
[00:58:10] like writing a comment on every YouTube
[00:58:13] video and on Twitter all day. You know
[00:58:15] what I mean? Like I feel like there's a
[00:58:17] real divide between people who make
[00:58:18] money off content and then like
[00:58:20] workingass people who are the base of
[00:58:22] the Republican party and I feel like
[00:58:24] Trump knows how these people think and
[00:58:27] he knew that they didn't care about
[00:58:28] Epstein which is why he was like I don't
[00:58:30] care about it either.
[00:58:32] >> I actually I actually agree with Batia
[00:58:34] on this and and I did since the
[00:58:35] beginning and I got in trouble with my
[00:58:36] with my listeners for [laughter] it
[00:58:37] because I said with your base with my
[00:58:39] base there you go. Well, because Trump
[00:58:40] because Trump came out and he said, "I
[00:58:42] just don't think Americans care very
[00:58:43] much about this." And by the polling
[00:58:44] data, he was right. I also agree with
[00:58:46] you, Michael, that it was a botched roll
[00:58:47] out because the reality is that when you
[00:58:49] have a buildup of such conspiratorial
[00:58:52] size, uh, and then what you basically do
[00:58:54] is you kind of in the dead of night drop
[00:58:56] a note. By the way, no one else is
[00:58:57] getting prosecuted and we're done here.
[00:58:58] Like, you actually do have to That was
[00:59:00] Pam Bondi screw up and really she should
[00:59:02] own it. I the reality she should have
[00:59:03] done a full Q&A an explanation of what
[00:59:06] had happened where there was
[00:59:07] overpromising where there was underd
[00:59:08] delivery and all the the rest of it as
[00:59:11] far as the tariff spot. Yeah. Listen, I
[00:59:12] I hope that you're right. I mean,
[00:59:13] honestly, for the sake of the country, I
[00:59:15] hope that you're right and that the
[00:59:16] tariff policy ends up being, you know, a
[00:59:18] net benefit as opposed to what I think
[00:59:20] it likely will be, which is a blip. I I
[00:59:21] think that it's a misuse of executive
[00:59:22] power. That's power that was given to
[00:59:24] the legislative branch and not the
[00:59:25] executive. Uh I think that it's very
[00:59:26] likely the Supreme Court strikes it
[00:59:27] down. Uh, I I I also think that if you
[00:59:30] are going to negotiate better trade
[00:59:31] deals, which I'm very much in favor of,
[00:59:33] then you ought to negotiate those on a
[00:59:35] on a nationto-nation basis as opposed to
[00:59:37] blanket tariffing the entire world at
[00:59:38] once and then having to sort of walk
[00:59:40] back your tariffs against China and then
[00:59:41] ratch them back up and ratchet them back
[00:59:43] down. And and so, in other words, I'm
[00:59:45] not saying that every tariff ever is is
[00:59:46] a bad idea. I I do think that the the
[00:59:48] notion that we're going to reshore
[00:59:50] manufacturing has not been borne out by
[00:59:51] by the evidence. the the the big gain
[00:59:53] from the tariffs, financially speaking,
[00:59:54] has been the amount of tariff revenue
[00:59:56] that the United States government has
[00:59:58] taken in. We'll see how much of that has
[00:59:59] to be kicked back to the companies or
[01:00:01] how all of that's going to get dealt
[01:00:02] with if the Supreme Court strikes it
[01:00:03] down. It has not destroyed the economy
[01:00:05] in the way that I think a lot of people
[01:00:06] were fearful of. It's created sort of a
[01:00:08] temporary spike in some segments of of
[01:00:10] price inflation, but that seems to be
[01:00:12] outpaced by the deregulation that Trump
[01:00:14] is doing in the AI sphere, which is
[01:00:16] generating extraordinary returns in the
[01:00:18] stock market right now. And so it's
[01:00:19] always very difficult to kind of find
[01:00:20] like a single factor analysis in the
[01:00:22] economy and say this is responsible for
[01:00:24] everything. We're doing great because of
[01:00:25] tariffs or we're doing great because of
[01:00:27] AI. It's all a bunch of factors that are
[01:00:29] going in. The the point that I'm saying
[01:00:31] is that there there is a disconnect in
[01:00:32] the American mind between how people
[01:00:34] feel about the economy and then the
[01:00:35] numbers on the economy which continue to
[01:00:37] be pretty strong. Right? We have a 4.4%
[01:00:39] unemployment rate. Inflation is down
[01:00:40] from 11% under Biden to 3%. We we are
[01:00:43] seeing massive GDP growth in Q3. And yet
[01:00:46] Americans are feeling kind of sketchy
[01:00:48] about the economy and and I think a lot
[01:00:49] of that is because of the uncertainty.
[01:00:51] And you know, all of this leads up to
[01:00:53] the midterms next year where my
[01:00:55] prediction is that Republicans are going
[01:00:56] to get absolutely hammered. I think
[01:00:57] Republicans are going to do quite poorly
[01:00:59] uh next year in the midterms. And I
[01:01:01] think that Republicans who are sort of
[01:01:02] pretending that away um or pretending
[01:01:04] that that that's not a significant
[01:01:06] possibility at the very least are not
[01:01:08] doing us a favor. And I think that that
[01:01:10] that makes a difference because
[01:01:11] according to the Ky markets, right, Khi
[01:01:13] is one of our sponsors. Yeah, the
[01:01:14] chances that President Trump gets
[01:01:16] impeached by 2028 are above 50%. That's
[01:01:19] a referendum about whether the Democrats
[01:01:21] win Congress because obviously if
[01:01:22] Democrats are not in charge of Congress
[01:01:24] then then he is not going to to be
[01:01:25] impeached. If they are in charge of
[01:01:26] Congress possibility right now that you
[01:01:28] know right now things look bad but it
[01:01:30] really and you've been saying this for a
[01:01:31] long time Ben. It really depends on
[01:01:33] where the economy is when we get there.
[01:01:35] It's a long time out and I think you're
[01:01:36] right. The economy is doing well. The
[01:01:38] one thing you never want to do as a
[01:01:39] politician is to tell the people that
[01:01:41] they don't see what they see and they
[01:01:42] don't feel what they feel. I suspect
[01:01:44] that the high prices which of course
[01:01:46] hadn't gone down uh you know has the
[01:01:49] effect of higher wages because wages are
[01:01:51] actually outstripping uh the rise of
[01:01:53] prices hasn't been felt yet and I think
[01:01:55] as we get closer to that it may it may
[01:01:57] well be and I think Trump has got to get
[01:01:59] on board with the messaging and and tell
[01:02:01] people you know take a look at this and
[01:02:03] take a look at that because I think
[01:02:04] things are getting better and there's a
[01:02:06] a good chance they'll get a lot better
[01:02:08] before the election in which case I I
[01:02:10] think it's just too early to say that
[01:02:12] the uh the Republicans get pasted like
[01:02:14] that.
[01:02:14] >> Okay, before we go, I do want to know
[01:02:16] cuz I have an answer on this and I never
[01:02:18] go see the movies. What was the worst
[01:02:20] movie of the year? I didn't know that
[01:02:22] when did they even stop making movies?
[01:02:25] In my view, it was like 2016 they just
[01:02:27] essentially stopped making movies. Uh
[01:02:29] did you one did you all go to the movies
[01:02:31] this year? And two, what was your least
[01:02:32] favorite? Bata.
[01:02:34] >> Um I went to the movies. I saw Wicked
[01:02:36] One and Wicked Two, but they were both
[01:02:38] great. I just thought they were both
[01:02:40] fantastic for what they were. Um, the
[01:02:42] message was like really powerful. I saw
[01:02:44] a really bad Netflix movie that I felt
[01:02:46] like embodied the terribleness of
[01:02:49] Netflix and what will probably be the
[01:02:51] terribleness of all movies if it's able
[01:02:53] to um make this big acquisition um of
[01:02:56] was is it Warner Brothers? Um, which it
[01:02:59] was called Electric State. And I don't
[01:03:01] know if you guys saw it, but it was
[01:03:03] basically about how robots become
[01:03:05] sentient and then they round them up and
[01:03:08] put them in a concentration camp because
[01:03:10] they wreak destruction and havoc and did
[01:03:12] terrorism, but somehow the movie was
[01:03:14] still on the side of the robots and
[01:03:16] [laughter] then but it was also like in
[01:03:19] a you know the premise is fine. It's
[01:03:21] like you could have a whole movie with
[01:03:22] and the theme is well what makes you a
[01:03:24] human? You know you they wanted you to
[01:03:26] sympathize with the robots, right? like,
[01:03:28] okay, well, what makes you worthy of
[01:03:30] sympathy as a human being? Like, it
[01:03:31] could have been this big theme and this
[01:03:33] big analysis. And it was just like, no,
[01:03:34] you're supposed to sympathize with the
[01:03:36] robots because they make them look like
[01:03:37] illegal immigrants, you know, like the
[01:03:39] way that they're like, and it was just
[01:03:40] so lazy and empty and, you know, snide
[01:03:44] remarks instead of grand themes that are
[01:03:47] like of real importance to human beings,
[01:03:49] you know, like where what are the limits
[01:03:51] of sympathy? Like what do you owe each
[01:03:53] other? What do you owe a thing that has
[01:03:55] what is sentience? Nobody cares because
[01:03:57] it's a Netflix movie, you know? So, I
[01:04:00] just feel really really upset about this
[01:04:02] merger and like what's gonna happen to
[01:04:04] like entertainment. Thank God we have
[01:04:06] the Daily Wire which is making wonderful
[01:04:08] wonderful culture. [laughter]
[01:04:09] >> Okay. So, I mean, first of all, we could
[01:04:11] have stopped all of of that movie if
[01:04:13] only we had tear off the robots.
[01:04:14] Clearly, [laughter] that was that was
[01:04:15] obviously the necessity. We need the
[01:04:17] corks crew in the Swiss Army knife to
[01:04:19] stop all of that from happening. Uh the
[01:04:20] the the worst movie that that I
[01:04:22] personally saw this year is very likely
[01:04:24] to win best picture according to the
[01:04:26] Cali markets. Again, one of our sponsors
[01:04:28] right now, one battle after another is
[01:04:30] coming in at 77% in the Calgary markets
[01:04:33] to win best picture. Uh which makes me
[01:04:35] super sad. I hated it. I thought it was
[01:04:37] horrifyingly bad. I thought it was
[01:04:38] really, really bad. I like Paul Thomas
[01:04:39] Anderson generally. Uh I I I won't say
[01:04:42] that I love him. I'm not like a giant
[01:04:43] PTA stand. I I I really love aspects of
[01:04:47] There Will Be Blood, but I don't love
[01:04:48] the movie overall. Uh, I really love
[01:04:49] aspects of the master, but I don't love
[01:04:51] the movie overall. I hate one battle
[01:04:53] after another with the fiery passion of
[01:04:54] a thousand burning suns. Uh, I I think
[01:04:56] that it is horrifyingly bad. I think
[01:04:58] that every character is pasteboard. I
[01:05:00] think that the entire plot is
[01:05:01] ridiculous. Uh, I think that the the
[01:05:03] acting is is really one note. Uh, I
[01:05:06] think the script is just trash. And and
[01:05:08] the whole thing is basically just about
[01:05:09] how America is is a white supremacist
[01:05:12] nation that's secretly being run by a
[01:05:13] cadre of polo shirtwearing white people
[01:05:17] who are trying to harm illegal
[01:05:19] immigrants and black people and in a
[01:05:21] sort of 1973
[01:05:23] era ripoff. Uh the basic idea is that
[01:05:25] there's a terrorist group that's run uh
[01:05:27] by a by a black radical who's straight
[01:05:30] from the Black Panthers essentially. uh
[01:05:32] and and she at the very outset is
[01:05:34] pregnant with either Leonardo DiCaprio's
[01:05:36] child or she also has an affair with
[01:05:37] Shan Penn who of course is the the lead
[01:05:39] white supremacist agent who also has a
[01:05:41] fetish for black ladies and it's just it
[01:05:43] really is ugly and stupid frankly there
[01:05:46] there's I think one beautifully sort of
[01:05:48] shot scene that's a chase scene near the
[01:05:49] end but but otherwise I I really despise
[01:05:51] this movie I I think that it was crap uh
[01:05:54] and the fact that it's likely to win
[01:05:55] best picture you know just another black
[01:05:57] mark on on the Oscars here uh the the
[01:05:59] the best movie that I saw this here. I
[01:06:02] haven't seen anything that I loved
[01:06:03] loved. I you know I I was fine with
[01:06:06] Wicked 2. I really liked Wicked 1. I
[01:06:08] thought Wicked 2 it was fine. I wasn't
[01:06:10] in love with it mainly because I think
[01:06:11] that the second act of the musical is
[01:06:13] deeply flawed as as a musical theater.
[01:06:15] Um and so there wasn't much they could
[01:06:16] do there. There was a movie that that I
[01:06:18] watched that again I there were certain
[01:06:20] aspects of it that I really really
[01:06:21] enjoyed. That was Blue Moon with Ethan
[01:06:23] Hawk, which which I enjoyed just as sort
[01:06:25] of a person who who really knows Rogers
[01:06:27] and Hammerstein in musical theater
[01:06:29] really well because the whole thing is
[01:06:30] about Loren Hart who is the who is the
[01:06:32] lyric writing partner of Richard Rogers
[01:06:34] before Rogers started the most
[01:06:35] successful, you know, collaboration in
[01:06:37] the history of musical theater with
[01:06:38] Hammerstein. And so the the basic idea
[01:06:40] is it's the night that Oklahoma is
[01:06:42] released and Loren's heart is realizing
[01:06:43] that he's now on the back burner and the
[01:06:45] whole movie is basically him struggling
[01:06:47] with with his now uh scessence like the
[01:06:49] fact that that his career is coming to
[01:06:51] an end and that he isn't uh you know the
[01:06:53] the kind of toast of the town anymore.
[01:06:55] Ethan Hawk is really good in it. It's
[01:06:56] it's over long. There are parts of it
[01:06:58] that are talky. They spend too much time
[01:06:59] with Margot Kwik's character who isn't
[01:07:01] real and they should be spending more
[01:07:02] time with both Richard Rogers and Oscar
[01:07:03] Hammerstein. But if you're a musical
[01:07:05] theater person the way that I am and you
[01:07:06] know all the references, it's like a big
[01:07:08] in joke and it's and it's kind of
[01:07:09] enjoyable from that angle.
[01:07:10] >> Well, I uh I I I love action pictures
[01:07:13] and I went to see Running Man and
[01:07:16] literally by the time I got outside into
[01:07:18] the lobby to validate my parking ticket,
[01:07:20] I had forgotten what movie I was at. It
[01:07:22] was it was [laughter] such a piece of
[01:07:24] garbage. And what's what's like every
[01:07:26] movie to me like it's like a remake. It
[01:07:29] has gorgeous, you know, visuals. it it
[01:07:31] is clearly made by somebody who knows
[01:07:33] how to make movies and then it falls
[01:07:35] apart because the guy doesn't know what
[01:07:36] he believes or what he can say or what
[01:07:38] he's allowed to say and it just he hates
[01:07:40] you know corporations he hates you know
[01:07:43] scarves he hates reality TV he doesn't
[01:07:45] know what to blame for the problems in
[01:07:47] life and uh so that was just complete
[01:07:48] nonsense I I didn't think um one battle
[01:07:52] after another was as bad as Ben did
[01:07:53] except morally I thought it was a moral
[01:07:55] uh atrocity as as as so as as so was
[01:07:58] sinners which was a deeply well another
[01:08:00] well-made beautiful movie that was
[01:08:01] incredibly uh filled with hatred and
[01:08:03] racism. I have to say two things. I want
[01:08:05] to talk about two things that I love
[01:08:07] very briefly. This weekend, my wife and
[01:08:09] I went to see a very well done uh reboot
[01:08:13] of Guys and Dolls uh in [laughter] the
[01:08:15] theater. And I'm in this thing for 10
[01:08:17] minutes. And a lot of times I think that
[01:08:18] I'm hyperritical. You know, I pick
[01:08:20] everything apart and young people like
[01:08:22] to think everything is a classic and
[01:08:23] everything is the greatest thing ever.
[01:08:24] And I think a gee, why am I always
[01:08:26] picking on these things? And I'm sitting
[01:08:27] there for 10 minutes. I turned to my
[01:08:28] wife and said, "This is fantastic." I
[01:08:31] mean, this is one of the greatest things
[01:08:33] and and from one end of it to the other,
[01:08:35] Guys and Dolls is just one of the
[01:08:37] greatest pieces works that has ever come
[01:08:39] out of the American musical theater,
[01:08:40] which itself is one of the greatest
[01:08:42] works that ever come out of uh America.
[01:08:44] And I just thought like, no, it's not
[01:08:45] me. It's actually [laughter] everything
[01:08:46] is crap.
[01:08:48] And the other thing I just want to
[01:08:49] mention because it was completely
[01:08:50] overlooked and a lot of people in uh the
[01:08:52] critical um you know in the in a lot of
[01:08:55] the critics disliked it and dismissed it
[01:08:57] but I thought it was really good was a a
[01:08:59] film called Mountain Head which I
[01:09:01] believe was on Max uh I think it was Max
[01:09:04] or no it was Max uh and it was written
[01:09:06] by the guy who wrote Secession uh Jesse
[01:09:08] Armstrong and it's just it's a play
[01:09:11] essentially it's a filmed play and it's
[01:09:13] just five uh Silicon Valley guys uh in a
[01:09:18] re, you know, a kind of a retreat uh in
[01:09:20] Mountain Head. And it's I found it
[01:09:23] really funny, really smart. Uh I don't
[01:09:26] want to give any of it away, but it's
[01:09:27] just them trying to figure out how to
[01:09:29] make their businesses go forward. And uh
[01:09:32] just absolutely making fun of all of
[01:09:34] everybody in in Silicon Valley in this
[01:09:36] really smart way. I didn't think it was
[01:09:38] brilliant. I didn't think I don't think
[01:09:40] anything was brilliant that I saw this
[01:09:41] year except for Guys and Dolls, but uh I
[01:09:43] thought you should if you can find it,
[01:09:44] you should take a look at it. It's
[01:09:45] really good. Did the Superman movie come
[01:09:47] out this year? Was that 2025?
[01:09:49] >> Yes, it was.
[01:09:50] >> Yeah, that was it. Now, I don't I don't
[01:09:52] see any They made me see it. DW did and
[01:09:55] I I watched it and it's it's bad. And if
[01:09:59] you were just watching it half paying
[01:10:00] attention, it was just bad cuz it just
[01:10:02] wasn't good, you know? It was kind of
[01:10:04] boring and it was just bad. But if you
[01:10:06] think about it for 5 seconds, it was
[01:10:08] satanically bad. It was like really
[01:10:11] [laughter] I mean that without a hint of
[01:10:12] exaggeration because Superman is spoiler
[01:10:16] alert Superman's is a Christ figure in
[01:10:18] the story and you know he's sent by his
[01:10:21] dad whatever and he you know he like
[01:10:22] does all the good stuff and but anyway
[01:10:24] here is the big twist we find out the
[01:10:27] dad the super dad is evil he's really
[01:10:31] bad and he he sends Superman to go
[01:10:33] enslave the whole human race and which
[01:10:34] means that the story goes from being
[01:10:36] this this figure of Christianity this
[01:10:39] Christian myth to being a Marcianite
[01:10:41] myth to being [laughter] this heretical
[01:10:44] evil satanic inversion of the religion
[01:10:47] and so I hated it
[01:10:49] >> that's all
[01:10:50] >> I mean we've now discussed many things
[01:10:52] that we dislike but friendly fire which
[01:10:54] is another thing you may have disliked
[01:10:56] this but not because of [laughter] Bata
[01:10:58] saran who's great
[01:10:59] >> we should charge more for we bought
[01:11:00] right
[01:11:01] >> we we definitely should we need to
[01:11:02] upcharge but friendly fire is in fact
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[01:11:14] >> I think that's our show. Is that our
[01:11:15] whole show?
[01:11:15] >> I think that is. I think we can leave.
[01:11:17] >> Batia, can you be here all the time,
[01:11:19] please? [laughter] And can we get rid of
[01:11:20] Ben and Drew and and Ben me? Actually,
[01:11:22] probably you.
[01:11:24] >> I would love that. Okay. Thank you to
[01:11:25] all of you for watching this friendly
[01:11:26] fire. See you next time.
[01:11:28] >> God bless.
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