PASSTHROUGHS, SHELL COMPANIES, & $100 BILLION FEDERAL CONTRACT SCHEME

[00:00:08] This morning when I woke I couldn't stop [00:00:11] hearing tear drops on my ceiling falling [00:00:14] from the eyes of the beautiful angel I [00:00:16] had slaughtered. Hold me ignoring what [00:00:19] you told me only for a moment. [00:00:23] Everything is fine and the beautiful [00:00:24] golden path unfolding anger in response [00:00:27] to my emotion. All the trauma left [00:00:30] unopen. Joth away and fly inside. Get [00:00:33] high. Good times. I'm reeling from the [00:00:35] raindrops on the ceiling. From your [00:00:38] heart, this is revealing. You want to [00:00:40] get away. You're born into my feel. [00:00:44] Isn't that what life is made of? When [00:00:46] you think about all you gave up. When [00:00:48] you think about all the glamour and the [00:00:50] money that they sold you. When the [00:00:53] raindrops hit your ceiling. Will you see [00:00:55] a human being? Will you open your eyes [00:00:58] and the things this is revealing? I [00:01:00] survive what they sent to destroy me. [00:01:02] Resurrected like a biblical story. They [00:01:05] thought that it was the old me, but it [00:01:07] ain't the old me, it's the bold me. I [00:01:09] survive what they sent to destroy me. [00:01:11] Resurrected like a biblical story. They [00:01:13] thought that it was the old me, but it [00:01:15] ain't the old me, it's the old me. Huh? [00:01:18] Yeah. I'm looking dangerous now. Yeah, [00:01:20] they looking anxious now. Yeah, look at [00:01:23] they faces now. Yeah. How did he make it [00:01:26] out? Yeah. I had to break it. I'm [00:01:28] talking that family curse. Everyone said [00:01:31] I wouldn't make it. Spoiler alert. [00:01:33] >> Man, what are you so afraid of? Isn't [00:01:36] that what life is made of? When you [00:01:38] think about all you gave up when you [00:01:40] think about all the language and the [00:01:42] [ __ ] that they sold you. When the [00:01:44] tear drops hit your ceiling. Will you [00:01:46] see a human being? Will you open your [00:01:49] eyes or the pain? Cuz why are you so [00:01:51] afraid? Why are you so afraid? And why [00:01:55] are you so afraid? And why are you so [00:01:58] afraid? And what are you so afraid? And [00:02:01] what are you so afraid? And what are you [00:02:04] so afraid? And what are you so afraid? [00:02:09] So what's holding you back? Fear. It's [00:02:11] irrational. [00:02:12] >> What are we actually afraid of? [00:02:15] Especially Christians. You talk about [00:02:17] eternal life and they're worried about [00:02:18] losing their stuff and their money. I [00:02:21] don't get that at all. [00:02:23] Because you don't take any of that stuff [00:02:25] with you when you die. None of it. [00:02:38] This morning when I woke, I couldn't [00:02:40] stop hearing tear drops on my ceiling [00:02:44] falling from the eyes of the beautiful [00:02:45] angel I had slaughtered. told me, [00:02:48] ignoring what you told me only for a [00:02:51] moment. Everything is fine in the [00:02:53] beautiful golden path unfolding. Anger [00:02:56] in response to my emotion. All the [00:02:59] trauma left unopened. Go with all away [00:03:02] and fly inside. Get high. Good times. [00:03:04] I'm reeling from the raindrops on the [00:03:06] ceiling. From your heart, this is [00:03:08] revealing. You want to get away. You're [00:03:11] born into my freedom. Isn't that what [00:03:14] life is made of? When you think about [00:03:16] all you gave up. When you think about [00:03:19] all the glamour and the money that they [00:03:21] sold you. When the raindrops hit your [00:03:23] ceiling. Will you see a human being? [00:03:26] Will you open your eyes or the things [00:03:28] this is revealing? I survive what they [00:03:31] sent to destroy me. Resurrected like a [00:03:33] biblical story. They thought that it was [00:03:35] the old me, but it ain't the old me, [00:03:37] it's the bold me. I survived what they [00:03:39] sent to destroy me. Resurrected like a [00:03:42] biblical story. They thought that it was [00:03:44] the old me. But it ain't the old me, [00:03:46] it's the bold me. Huh? Yeah, I'm looking [00:03:49] dangerous now. Yeah, they looking [00:03:51] anxious now. Yeah, look at their faces [00:03:53] now. Yeah, how did he make it out? Yeah, [00:03:56] I had to break it. I'm talking that [00:03:59] family curse. Everyone said I wouldn't [00:04:01] make it. Spoiler alert. [00:04:03] >> Man, what are you so afraid of? Isn't [00:04:05] that what life is made of? When you [00:04:07] think about all you gave up. When you [00:04:10] think about all the language and the [00:04:12] [ __ ] that they sold you when the [00:04:14] tear drops hit your ceiling, will you [00:04:16] see a human being? Will you open your [00:04:19] eyes or avoid the pain? Cuz why are you [00:04:21] so afraid? Why are you so afraid? And [00:04:24] why are you so afraid? And why are you [00:04:27] so afraid? Why are you so afraid? Why [00:04:31] are you so afraid? And why are you so [00:04:34] afraid? And why are you so afraid? [00:04:39] So, what's holding you back? Fear. It's [00:04:41] irrational. What are we actually afraid [00:04:44] of? Especially Christians. You talk [00:04:46] about eternal life and they're worried [00:04:48] about losing their stuff and their [00:04:49] money. I don't get that at all [00:04:53] because you don't take any of that stuff [00:04:55] with you when you die. None of it. [00:05:08] This morning when I woke I couldn't stop [00:05:10] hearing tear drops on my ceiling falling [00:05:14] from the eyes of the beautiful angel I [00:05:16] had slaughtered. Hold me ignoring what [00:05:18] you told me only for a moment. [00:05:22] Everything is fine in the beautiful [00:05:24] golden path unfolding anger in response [00:05:27] to my emotion. All the trauma left [00:05:29] unopen. Throw it all away and fly [00:05:32] inside. Good times. I'm reeling from the [00:05:35] raindrops on the ceiling. From your [00:05:37] heart, this is revealing. You want to [00:05:39] get away, you're born into my afraid of. [00:05:43] Isn't that what life is made of? When [00:05:45] you think about all you gave up, when [00:05:48] you think about all the glamour and the [00:05:50] money that they sold you, when the [00:05:52] raindrops hit your ceiling, will you see [00:05:54] a human being? Will you open your eyes [00:05:57] or avoid the things this is revealing? I [00:06:00] survive what they sent to destroy me. [00:06:02] Resurrected like a biblical story. They [00:06:04] thought that it was the old me, but it [00:06:06] ain't the old me, it's the bold me. I [00:06:08] survived what they sent to the stormy. [00:06:10] Resurrected like a biblical story. They [00:06:13] thought that it was the old me. But it [00:06:15] ain't the old me, it's the B me. Huh? [00:06:17] Yeah, I'm looking dangerous now. Yeah, [00:06:20] they looking anxious now. Yeah, look at [00:06:22] they faces now. Yeah, how did they make [00:06:25] it out? Yeah, I had to break it. I'm [00:06:28] talking that family curse. Everyone said [00:06:30] I wouldn't make it. Spoiler alert. [00:06:32] >> Man, what are you so afraid of? Isn't [00:06:35] that what life is made of? When you [00:06:37] think about all you gave up, when you [00:06:39] think about all the language and the [00:06:41] [ __ ] that they sold you when the [00:06:43] tear drops hit your ceiling, will you [00:06:46] see a human being? Will you open your [00:06:48] eyes aboard the pain? Cuz why are you so [00:06:51] afraid? And why are you so afraid? And [00:06:54] why are you so afraid? And why are you [00:06:57] so afraid? What are you so afraid? And [00:07:01] what are you so afraid? And what are you [00:07:03] so afraid? And what are you so afraid? [00:07:08] >> So what's holding you back? Fear. It's [00:07:11] irrational. What are we actually afraid [00:07:14] of? Especially Christians. You talk [00:07:16] about eternal life and they're worried [00:07:17] about losing their stuff and their [00:07:19] money. I don't get that at all [00:07:23] because you don't take any of that stuff [00:07:24] with when you die. None of it. [00:07:38] This morning when I woke I couldn't stop [00:07:40] hearing tear drops on my ceiling falling [00:07:43] from the eyes of the beautiful angel I [00:07:46] had slaughtered. Hold me ignoring what [00:07:48] you told me only for a moment. [00:07:52] Everything is fine in the beautiful [00:07:53] golden path unfolding anger in response [00:07:56] to my emotion. All the trauma left [00:07:59] unopened. Go with all the way and fly [00:08:02] inside. Get high. Good times I'm reeling [00:08:04] from the raindrops on the ceiling. From [00:08:07] your heart, this is revealing. You want [00:08:09] to get away. You're born into my afraid [00:08:12] of. Isn't that what life is made of? [00:08:15] When you think about all you gave up. [00:08:17] When you think about all the glamour and [00:08:19] the money that they sold you when the [00:08:22] raindrops hit your ceiling. Will you see [00:08:24] a human being? Will you open your eyes [00:08:27] and avoid the things this is revealing? [00:08:29] I survive what they sent to destroy me. [00:08:31] Resurrected like a biblical story. They [00:08:34] thought that it was the old me, but it [00:08:36] ain't the old me, it's the bold me. I [00:08:38] survive what they sent to destroy me. [00:08:40] Resurrected like a biblical story. They [00:08:42] thought that it was the old me, but it [00:08:45] ain't the old me, it's the bold me. Huh? [00:08:47] Yeah, I'm looking dangerous now. Yeah, [00:08:49] they looking anxious now. Yeah, look at [00:08:52] their faces now. Yeah, how did they make [00:08:55] it out? Yeah, I had to break it. I'm [00:08:58] talking that family curse. Everyone said [00:09:00] I wouldn't make it. Spoiler alert, man. [00:09:02] What are you so afraid of? Isn't that [00:09:05] what life is made of? When you think [00:09:07] about all you gave up. When you think [00:09:09] about all the language and the [ __ ] [00:09:12] that they sold you. When the tear drops [00:09:14] hit your ceiling, will you see a human [00:09:16] being? Will you open your eyes and avoid [00:09:19] the pain? Girl, why are you so afraid? [00:09:22] And why are you so afraid? And why are [00:09:24] you so afraid? And why are you so [00:09:27] afraid? Why are you so afraid? Why are [00:09:31] you so afraid? And why are you so [00:09:33] afraid? And why are you so afraid? [00:09:38] >> So what's holding you back? Fear. It's [00:09:40] irrational. What are we actually afraid [00:09:44] of? Especially Christians, you talk [00:09:46] about eternal life and they're worried [00:09:47] about losing their stuff and their [00:09:49] money. I don't get that at all [00:09:52] because you don't take any of that stuff [00:09:54] with you when you die. None of it. [00:10:07] This morning when I woke I couldn't stop [00:10:10] hearing tear drops on my ceiling falling [00:10:13] from the eyes of the beautiful angel I [00:10:15] had slaughtered. Hold me ignoring what [00:10:18] you told me only for a moment. [00:10:21] Everything is fine in the beautiful [00:10:23] golden path unfolding anger in response [00:10:26] to my emotion. All the trauma left [00:10:29] unopen. Throw it all away and fly [00:10:31] inside. Good times. I'm reeling from the [00:10:34] raindrops on the ceiling. From your [00:10:36] heart, this is revealing. You want to [00:10:39] get away. You're bored into my afraid [00:10:42] of. Isn't that what life is made of? [00:10:45] When you think about all you gave up [00:10:47] when you think about all the glamour and [00:10:49] the money that they sold you. When the [00:10:51] rain drops hit your ceiling, will you [00:10:54] see a human being? Will you open your [00:10:56] eyes aboard the things this is [00:10:58] revealing? I survive what they sent to [00:11:00] destroy me. Resurrected like a biblical [00:11:03] story. They thought that it was the old [00:11:05] me, but it ain't the old me, it's the [00:11:07] bold me. I survived what they sent to [00:11:09] the stormy. Resurrected like a biblical [00:11:11] story. They thought that it was the old [00:11:14] me. But it ain't the old me, it's the [00:11:16] bold me. Huh? Yeah, I'm looking [00:11:18] dangerous now. Yeah, they looking [00:11:20] anxious now. Yeah, look at they faces [00:11:22] now. Yeah, how did they make it out? [00:11:25] Yeah, I had to break it. I'm talking [00:11:28] that family curse. Everyone said I [00:11:30] wouldn't make it. Spoiler alert. [00:11:32] >> Man, what are you so afraid of? Isn't [00:11:34] that what life is made of? When you [00:11:36] think about all you gave up. When you [00:11:39] think about all the language and the [00:11:41] [ __ ] that they sold you. When the [00:11:43] tear drops hit your ceiling, will you [00:11:45] see a human being? Will you open your [00:11:48] eyes aboard the pain? Cuz why are you so [00:11:50] afraid? Why are you so afraid? And why [00:11:54] are you so afraid? And why are you so [00:11:57] afraid? What are you so afraid? What are [00:12:00] you so afraid? And what are you so [00:12:03] afraid? And what are you so afraid? [00:12:08] >> So what's holding you back? Fear. It's [00:12:10] irrational. What are we actually afraid [00:12:13] of? Especially Christians. You talk [00:12:16] about eternal life and they're worried [00:12:17] about losing their stuff and their [00:12:19] money. I don't get that at all [00:12:22] because you don't take any of that stuff [00:12:24] with when you die. None of it. [00:12:37] This morning when I woke I couldn't stop [00:12:39] hearing tear drops on my ceiling falling [00:12:43] from the eyes of the beautiful angel I [00:12:45] had slaughtered. Hold me ignoring what [00:12:48] you told me only for a moment. [00:12:51] Everything is fine and the beautiful [00:12:53] golden path unfolding anger in response [00:12:56] to my emotion. All the trauma left [00:12:58] unopened throw it all away and fly [00:13:01] inside. Good times I'm reeling from the [00:13:04] raindrops on the ceiling from your [00:13:06] heart. This is revealing. You want to [00:13:09] get away. You're born into my afraid of. [00:13:12] Isn't that what life is made of? When [00:13:15] you think about all you gave up. When [00:13:17] you think about all the glamour and the [00:13:19] money that they sold you when the [00:13:21] raindrops hit your ceiling. Will you see [00:13:24] a human being? Will you open your eyes [00:13:26] or the things this is revealing? I [00:13:29] survive what they sent to destroy me. [00:13:31] Resurrected like a biblical story. They [00:13:33] thought that it was the old me, but it [00:13:35] ain't the old me, it's the bold me. I [00:13:37] survive what they sent to destroy me. [00:13:39] Resurrected like a biblical story. They [00:13:42] thought that it was the old me, but it [00:13:44] ain't the old me, it's the bold me. Huh? [00:13:46] Yeah, I'm looking dangerous now. Yeah, [00:13:49] they looking anxious now. Yeah, look at [00:13:52] their faces now. Yeah, how did they make [00:13:54] it out? Yeah, I had to break it. I'm [00:13:57] talking that family curse. Everyone said [00:14:00] I wouldn't make it. Spoiler alert, man. [00:14:02] What are you so afraid of? Isn't that [00:14:04] what life is made of? When you think [00:14:06] about all you gave up, when you think [00:14:09] about all the language and the [ __ ] [00:14:11] that they sold you. When the tear drops [00:14:13] hit your ceiling, will you see a human [00:14:16] being? Will you open your eyes and avoid [00:14:18] the pain? Girl, why are you so afraid? [00:14:21] And why are you so afraid? And why are [00:14:24] you so afraid? And why are you so [00:14:26] afraid? Why are you so afraid? And why [00:14:30] are you so afraid? And what are you so [00:14:33] afraid? And why are you so afraid? [00:14:38] >> So what's holding you back? Fear. It's [00:14:40] irrational. What are we actually afraid [00:14:43] of? Especially Christians, you talk [00:14:45] about eternal life and they're worried [00:14:47] about losing their stuff and their [00:14:48] money. I don't get that at all [00:14:52] because you don't take any of that stuff [00:14:53] with you when you die. None of it. [00:15:07] This morning when I woke I couldn't stop [00:15:09] hearing tear drops on my ceiling falling [00:15:13] from the eyes of the beautiful angel I [00:15:15] had slaughtered. Hold me ignoring what [00:15:17] you told me only for a moment. [00:15:21] Everything is fine and the beautiful [00:15:22] golden path unfolding anger in response [00:15:25] to my emotion. All the trauma left [00:15:28] unopen. Throw it all away and fly [00:15:31] inside. Get high. Good times. I'm [00:15:33] reeling from the raindrops on the [00:15:35] ceiling. From your heart, this is [00:15:37] revealing. You want to get away. You're [00:15:39] born into my afraid of. Isn't that what [00:15:43] life is made of? When you think about [00:15:45] all you gave up. When you think about [00:15:47] all the glamour and the money that they [00:15:50] sold you. When the raindrops hit your [00:15:52] ceiling, will you see a heal with being? [00:15:55] Will you open your eyes or the things [00:15:57] this is revealing? I survive what they [00:15:59] sent to destroy me. Resurrected like a [00:16:02] biblical story. They thought that it was [00:16:04] the old me, but it ain't the old me. [00:16:06] It's the bold me. I survive what they [00:16:08] sent to destroy me. Resurrected like a [00:16:10] biblical story. They thought that it was [00:16:13] the old me, but it ain't the old me, [00:16:15] it's the bold me. Huh? Yeah. I'm looking [00:16:17] dangerous now. Yeah, they looking [00:16:19] anxious now. Yeah, look at they faces [00:16:22] now. Yeah, how did they make it out? [00:16:25] Yeah, I had to break it. I'm talking [00:16:27] that family curse. Everyone said I [00:16:30] wouldn't make it. Spoiler alert. Man, [00:16:32] what are you so afraid of? Isn't that [00:16:34] what life is made of? When you think [00:16:36] about all you gave up when you think [00:16:38] about all the language and the [ __ ] [00:16:41] that they sold you when the tear drops [00:16:43] hit your ceiling. Will you see a human [00:16:46] being? Will you open your eyes aboard [00:16:48] the pain? Why are you so afraid? And why [00:16:51] are you so afraid? And why are you so [00:16:54] afraid? And what are you so afraid? And [00:16:57] what are you so afraid? And what are you [00:17:00] so afraid? And what are you so afraid? [00:17:04] And what are you so afraid? [00:17:07] >> So what's holding you back? Fear. It's [00:17:10] irrational. What are we actually afraid [00:17:13] of? Especially Christians. You talk [00:17:15] about eternal life and they're worried [00:17:16] about losing their stuff and their [00:17:18] money. I don't get that at all [00:17:22] because you don't take any of that stuff [00:17:23] with you when you die. None of it. [00:17:36] This morning when I woke, I couldn't [00:17:39] stop hearing tear drops on my ceiling [00:17:42] falling from the eyes of the beautiful [00:17:44] angel I had slaughtered. Hold me, [00:17:46] ignoring what you told me. Only for a [00:17:50] moment. Everything is fine in the [00:17:52] beautiful golden path unfolding. Anger [00:17:55] in response to my emotion. All the [00:17:57] trauma left unopen. Throw it all away [00:18:00] and fly inside. Get high. Good times. [00:18:02] I'm reeling from the raindrops on the [00:18:05] ceiling. From your heart, this is [00:18:06] revealing. You want to get away. You're [00:18:09] born into my afraid of. Isn't that what [00:18:13] life is made of? When you think about [00:18:15] all you gave up. When you think about [00:18:17] all the glamour and the money that they [00:18:20] sold you when the raindrops hit your [00:18:22] ceiling. Will you see a human being? [00:18:25] Will you open your eyes or avoid the [00:18:26] things this is revealing? I survive what [00:18:29] they sent to destroy me. Resurrected [00:18:31] like a biblical story. They thought that [00:18:33] it was the old me, but it ain't the old [00:18:36] me, it's the bold me. I survive what [00:18:38] they sent to destroy me. Resurrected [00:18:40] like a biblical story. They thought that [00:18:42] it was the old me, but it ain't the old [00:18:44] me, it's the bold me. Huh? Yeah. I'm [00:18:46] looking dangerous now. Yeah, they [00:18:49] looking anxious now. Yeah, look at their [00:18:51] faces now. Yeah, how did they make it [00:18:54] out? Yeah, I had to break it. I'm [00:18:57] talking that family curse. Everyone said [00:18:59] I wouldn't make it. Spoiler alert, man. [00:19:01] What are you so afraid of? Isn't that [00:19:04] what life is made of? When you think [00:19:06] about all you gave up. When you think [00:19:08] about all the language and the [ __ ] [00:19:10] that they sold you. When the tear drops [00:19:13] hit your ceiling. We see a human being. [00:19:16] Will you open your eyes? Avoid the pain. [00:19:21] >> Hello everyone. This is James O'Keefe. [00:19:24] Welcome back to the Price is My Life as [00:19:25] we have breaking the next installment in [00:19:29] our series investigating ATI $100 [00:19:33] billion pass through schemes all funded [00:19:36] by you, the taxpayer. Today we're going [00:19:39] to be breaking a brand new story in our [00:19:41] series on government corruption. We are [00:19:43] going to be having some breaking news [00:19:44] from the Department of Justice. We're [00:19:47] going to be having some breaking news [00:19:48] from the Small Business Administration. [00:19:50] Apparently, this is just happening right [00:19:52] now. As of 5 minutes ago, the Small [00:19:55] Business Administration has officially [00:19:57] suspended the ATI government solutions [00:19:59] contract, which is my majority owned by [00:20:02] Susanville Rancheria, as well as three [00:20:05] of its executives from conducting any [00:20:07] new business with the federal [00:20:08] government. And we have a response from [00:20:11] the Department of Justice. But before we [00:20:13] get to the response from the Department [00:20:14] of Justice, because I know all you guys [00:20:16] want accountability, and it looks like [00:20:17] accountability is coming, we have this [00:20:20] breaking report. Another executive has [00:20:22] been caught on tape within ATI. We're [00:20:26] going to play that tape right now and [00:20:29] then we're going to go to the DOJ [00:20:30] statement. [00:20:34] >> The new contract is basically close to [00:20:36] 100. What's the percentage that HGI will [00:20:40] retain from that 100 million? [00:20:41] >> 65 for us being the prime bill and then [00:20:45] 35. [00:20:46] >> 65 million. [00:20:47] >> Yeah. [00:20:49] >> That's a good deal right there. [00:20:50] >> We posed as head hunters looking to hire [00:20:53] someone who could get us government [00:20:55] money contracts with the IRS. [00:20:58] >> And you pay these like asentures to do [00:21:01] the job. And so it's really minimum [00:21:04] work. [00:21:06] No, that's that's really in reality [00:21:09] that's what's happened. I'm not talking [00:21:11] about my firm, but yeah, [00:21:12] >> it appears as though these companies are [00:21:14] just shell companies, just passroughs. [00:21:17] >> It's almost like you're pass through. [00:21:20] >> Yeah, pass through. [00:21:24] >> Pass through. Unless Elon comes in and [00:21:26] changes changes the group, changes the [00:21:28] law to take out the the pastor, so to [00:21:32] speak. I don't think they'll dare to [00:21:35] touch the the native, [00:21:38] you know, American, the native Indian. [00:21:40] >> They're not going to touch the Native [00:21:41] Americans. It's a layer of protection. [00:21:43] And most people don't even know your ATI [00:21:46] name. [00:21:47] >> But they make they make they make good [00:21:49] money. [00:21:50] >> They make great money. I mean, you fly [00:21:52] under the radar and you take 65%. [00:21:55] Nobody even knows your name. [00:21:58] >> Nice work. [00:22:00] Hey, God bless America. And that's [00:22:04] here's the flying under the radar, [00:22:05] right? [00:22:15] >> My name is James O'Keefe. [00:22:19] >> Turn that off. [00:22:25] >> God bless. [00:22:26] >> Cheers. There's America. Yeah, baby. [00:22:29] >> In our previous expose on ATI government [00:22:32] solutions, a technology contractor, we [00:22:34] uncovered them claiming 8A Native [00:22:37] Americanowned small business status [00:22:38] while being entirely operated by [00:22:40] Caucasian DC executives with Fermage [00:22:43] Crutchfield as the CEO and his wife [00:22:46] Olympic swimmer Marina Mulga as CFO. his [00:22:50] business partner Scott Deutschman as co [00:22:52] and the Susanville Indian rancheria [00:22:55] seemingly playing no role at all other [00:22:57] than to appear as 51% owners but only on [00:23:02] paper. They're raking in hundreds of [00:23:04] millions of taxpayer dollars in federal [00:23:06] contracts, outsourcing 80% of the labor [00:23:08] to subcontractors, well above the legal [00:23:10] limit of 50%, essentially serving as a [00:23:12] pass through company. We actually hear [00:23:14] the words pass through in these [00:23:16] undercover recordings stated by multiple [00:23:18] employees. [00:23:19] >> And and I tell you, passroughs are a [00:23:21] great thing as well. [00:23:22] >> Yeah. [00:23:23] >> And according to Cassiss versus United [00:23:25] States, well, they may be committing [00:23:28] wire fraud, conspiracy for fraudulent [00:23:30] inducement. And within a couple hours of [00:23:32] releasing that video on Monday, the [00:23:34] administrator of the Small Business [00:23:35] Administration, Kelly Laughafler, [00:23:37] announced that the SBA will officially [00:23:39] be conducting an investigation into ATI [00:23:42] government solutions. and the Susanville [00:23:43] Indian Rancheria and that there is a [00:23:45] full review underway for the entire 8A [00:23:48] program acknowledging billions of [00:23:50] dollars in federal contracts have been [00:23:51] run through shell companies, passroughs, [00:23:53] and other illegal schemes. Maybe we'll [00:23:56] finally see some of that accountability [00:23:58] that you've all been hoping for. As we [00:24:00] released the piece, I noticed hundreds [00:24:02] of comments from people that have had [00:24:03] their own personal experience with these [00:24:05] schemes. Kelly Laughler encourages [00:24:07] whistleblowers to reach out and report [00:24:08] shut schemes to the SBA complaints and [00:24:11] submission form at sbax.sba.govcss. [00:24:17] Now we introduce you to the next [00:24:19] individual at API we caught on tape [00:24:21] introducing senior director Anish [00:24:24] Abraham. [00:24:25] >> So my company that I work for is API [00:24:28] government solutions and the title is [00:24:30] senior director and I do the program and [00:24:33] portfolio management of that. Anish [00:24:35] thinks he's at a job interview right now [00:24:37] for the position of technical director [00:24:39] of procurement at a salary of $400,000 a [00:24:42] year with our fictitious company Sev [00:24:44] Zero Solutions. We created a website for [00:24:46] the fake company and reached out to [00:24:48] employees of ATI with a very lucrative [00:24:51] job offer. We're here in Jupiter, [00:24:53] Florida outside the Thousand North [00:24:55] restaurant owned by Michael Jordan. Now [00:24:57] is inside this restaurant in the bar [00:24:59] area that Anish Abraham met with me and [00:25:02] my undercover reporter. We posed as head [00:25:05] hunters looking to hire someone who [00:25:07] could get us government money contracts [00:25:10] with the IRS. Anish Abraham has told us [00:25:13] he's worked for ATI for over two years [00:25:15] procuring a $100 million contract with [00:25:18] the IRS. [00:25:19] >> So the new contract that we uh signed up [00:25:23] for or even the proposal for is [00:25:26] basically close to 100 million. [00:25:29] >> That one contract with the IRS is 100 [00:25:31] million. [00:25:32] >> Yeah. [00:25:34] We we are the prime on that but uh [00:25:36] exchanger will be the sub [00:25:39] in a case like that was the percentage [00:25:41] that will will retain from that 100 [00:25:44] million [00:25:45] >> 65 approximately 65 35 that's that's [00:25:49] >> 35% for you [00:25:51] >> no 65 for us being the prime and then 35 [00:25:56] >> 65% revenue [00:25:58] >> and a $100 million contract [00:26:00] >> then you just managed this ascent people [00:26:03] and you really sit back and you don't do [00:26:04] the job. [00:26:05] >> Yeah. Yeah. 65% of the money, [00:26:08] >> right? They're doing most they're doing% [00:26:11] of the money. [00:26:12] >> Yes. For the total contract 65 million. [00:26:15] >> Yeah. That's a good deal right there. [00:26:18] Now, the SBA regulations require that [00:26:21] the prime contractor ATI perform the [00:26:24] quote primary and vital contract [00:26:27] requirements and that the prime [00:26:28] contractor not be quote unusually [00:26:31] reliant on the subcontractors for their [00:26:33] expertise. Anish explained that for the [00:26:35] $100 million IRS contract, Accenture, a [00:26:39] large consulting firm with headquarters [00:26:41] in Ireland, will handle the lion share [00:26:43] of the labor while only receiving 35% of [00:26:45] the contract sum. Now, Asenture is not [00:26:48] an 8A minorityowned eligible company, [00:26:52] meaning that outsourcing more than 50% [00:26:54] of the contract to them is against the [00:26:56] law and potentially wire fraud. And [00:26:58] while Accenture is quote doing the work, [00:27:01] ATI is retaining 65% of the $100 million [00:27:05] for themselves. It appears as though [00:27:08] these companies are just shell [00:27:10] companies, just passroughs. But don't [00:27:12] take my word for it. Anish Abraham [00:27:15] confirms that these schemes are just [00:27:18] passroughs. [00:27:19] >> You pay these like asentures to do the [00:27:22] job and so it's really minimum work. [00:27:25] >> Exactly. [00:27:26] >> It's almost like, you know, it's almost [00:27:28] like you're a pastor. [00:27:31] That's right. [00:27:32] >> Yeah. Pass through. [00:27:36] >> Pass through. [00:27:37] >> I'm a minority and I'm a woman. So [00:27:39] that's also that's a plus. I can be just [00:27:42] a pass through company like ATI. [00:27:47] >> That's what [00:27:49] honestly that's [00:27:51] >> that's really in reality that's what's [00:27:52] happening. [00:27:53] >> That's what's happening in reality. [00:27:55] Okay. [00:27:56] >> I'm not talking bad about my firm but [00:27:58] yeah [00:27:58] >> as we explained previously a pass [00:28:01] through scheme involves a contracting [00:28:03] company in this case ATI obtaining [00:28:06] government contracts that are intended [00:28:08] to go to disadvantaged or minority owned [00:28:10] small businesses. also known as 8A. In [00:28:12] reality, they outsource the work and a [00:28:14] small portion of the compensation to [00:28:16] subcontractors that would otherwise be [00:28:18] ineligible. Anish goes on to claim ATI [00:28:21] doesn't do much business at all out of [00:28:24] their office space and that ATI merely [00:28:26] rents office space when they need to [00:28:28] impress a client with a meeting. [00:28:30] >> Do you have really an office, do you? [00:28:33] >> So, so you don't have to do office spend [00:28:36] the rents, all that. So all those [00:28:37] operational costs already been turned [00:28:40] down vending renting a space for a short [00:28:43] duration. That's what we do. And then [00:28:45] you know suppose you want a client [00:28:46] meeting or something. [00:28:47] >> Oh yeah. [00:28:48] >> Now you you have the cost when you [00:28:50] travel. [00:28:52] >> Yeah. But you're just traveling to go [00:28:54] and appease the client, right? You're [00:28:56] just like [00:28:57] >> there's so much [00:28:59] company though. But yeah, [00:29:01] basically company that is [00:29:05] uh they have the minority status. So the [00:29:06] government has to give it to them and [00:29:09] now they they will have to run it and [00:29:12] what gets done. [00:29:13] >> Anish even acknowledges that the native [00:29:15] owned status is like a layer of [00:29:17] protection against doge cuts. That's [00:29:19] department of government efficiency. [00:29:21] Anish claims quote I don't think they [00:29:23] doge will dare to touch the native [00:29:25] Americans unquote. [00:29:26] >> They don't have to have an overhead in [00:29:28] office. Everybody's remote and you pay [00:29:32] these like asentures to do the job. And [00:29:35] so it's really minimal work [00:29:39] >> unless comes and changes changes the [00:29:42] changes the law changes. [00:29:44] >> I don't think that's going to happen to [00:29:46] take out the middleman to take out the [00:29:48] um you know the the pastor so to speak. [00:29:51] >> I don't think they'll dare to touch the [00:29:54] the the [00:29:56] native, [00:29:58] you know, Americans, the native Indians. [00:30:01] >> I don't think that [00:30:01] >> they're not going to touch the Native [00:30:02] Americans. Now it's a layer of [00:30:04] protection. [00:30:05] >> We secured a second meeting with me [00:30:07] Cromwell and Cromwell informed us that [00:30:09] she had recently been let go from ATI [00:30:12] and has been focusing on her catering [00:30:14] business ra. [00:30:19] In her time away from ATI, Cromwell [00:30:21] developed some new perspectives on ATI's [00:30:23] alleged pass through operations, which [00:30:26] she shared with me. [00:30:27] >> You can't be just a pass through [00:30:29] account, [00:30:31] right? Even though you can't, [00:30:34] >> although there's some that do do it, you [00:30:36] don't do it on a large scale, right? I [00:30:39] mean, I forget the government clause, [00:30:40] but it says you can't just be a pastor. [00:30:43] When I was a contract supervisor for [00:30:45] John Hopkins and uh Laurel Mountain, [00:30:47] there were awards we would win where I [00:30:50] would realize someone just a pass [00:30:52] through and we'd have to turn them down. [00:30:54] >> Yeah. Because we can get in major [00:30:56] trouble for that. you know, we we we put [00:30:59] the bid in as if we're going to be doing [00:31:01] all of this and it's mostly the sub who [00:31:03] has the experience and we can't you [00:31:04] can't do that. When you're smiling when [00:31:07] you're doing that and you know you're [00:31:08] not, that's going to come back at you in [00:31:11] a bad way. Meain also revealed that ATI [00:31:14] will sometimes have their subcontractors [00:31:16] start working on a contract before the [00:31:18] official start date commences that was [00:31:20] approved by the government when the [00:31:22] contract was awarded. when they ran into [00:31:23] issues with trying to quote backdate the [00:31:26] money unquote if Melain raised concerns [00:31:29] or refused to comply. Well, chief [00:31:31] financial officer Marina Mova [00:31:34] Crutchfield's wife would send a stop [00:31:36] work order on Melain's behalf, [00:31:38] potentially incriminating her if ATI [00:31:41] were to be audited. [00:31:42] >> Once you know you're going to win [00:31:44] something, you just start working. Got [00:31:46] it. [00:31:47] >> And let's say the government doesn't [00:31:49] start the awards not until tomorrow, but [00:31:53] because you want to get a head start, [00:31:54] you got your subs already starting to [00:31:56] start, [00:31:56] >> right? When the government cuts you a [00:31:58] check to pay your sub, but you can't [00:32:00] back date the money because I know when [00:32:03] the government comes to audit and they [00:32:05] say they awarded it on June 17th and [00:32:08] your sub started back on June 2nd, [00:32:12] we don't pay you from June 2nd to the [00:32:14] 17th. If you call me and say, "Hey, [00:32:17] Melan, [00:32:19] send the stop work order to such and [00:32:21] such company [00:32:23] because we can't have them working [00:32:25] anymore." I'm going to say, "Okay, well, [00:32:27] first I'm going to go look at the [00:32:28] contract. And if I have a contract in my [00:32:30] file that's not signed, why are they [00:32:33] working? Who told them to start?" Right? [00:32:38] >> So, those are the questions I'm asking. [00:32:40] I'm like, Marina, okay, I don't mind [00:32:41] sending us work marina, but where is our [00:32:43] executed agreement with this company [00:32:46] that authorized them to start work in [00:32:47] the first place? [00:32:49] That's the question I'm asking. There [00:32:51] was an occasion during the stopwatch. [00:33:00] On my behalf. So, whose name is at the [00:33:01] bottom? [00:33:03] >> Yep. We also secured a third meeting [00:33:05] with Meline where we removed the wigs [00:33:07] and revealed to her that we were [00:33:08] undercover journalists investigating [00:33:11] ATI. Now, Meline Cromwell didn't run [00:33:13] away or attack me personally or called [00:33:15] the police as usually individuals do [00:33:18] when we catch them on video. Cromwell [00:33:20] did however claim that everything she [00:33:22] said to our hidden cameras was merely [00:33:24] her opinion and that it shouldn't be [00:33:27] taken as factually accurate about ATI. [00:33:30] We challenged her on this considering [00:33:32] all the statements she gave us contained [00:33:35] hard percentages, specific mathematical [00:33:38] figures. You be the judge for yourself [00:33:41] when you watch her and listen to her as [00:33:43] director of contracts. The full meeting [00:33:46] with Melain Cromwell goes live tomorrow [00:33:48] once again on our show. My price is my [00:33:51] life. So, we have some news for you [00:33:54] here. Okay. We're actually investigative [00:33:56] reporters. My name is James O'Keefe. I'm [00:33:59] an investig I'm an investigative [00:34:01] reporter and you you're on about [00:34:04] >> Okay, we can we can but but [00:34:08] >> continuing our interaction with Anish, [00:34:10] Anish reveals that he draws an ample [00:34:12] salary for his work which he [00:34:14] acknowledges is basically overseeing and [00:34:16] managing the labor that is done by [00:34:18] subcontractors like Accenture and that [00:34:20] his supervisors earn more than top [00:34:22] neurosurgeons. This is your taxpayer [00:34:25] dollars they're talking about here. What [00:34:28] have you currently earning? If [00:34:30] >> you look at everything, [00:34:31] >> I would be making up three. [00:34:36] Okay. Who's your direct supervisor? [00:34:40] >> So my direct is Wun Warra. Wun dog. [00:34:44] >> You should be making a little maybe a [00:34:46] little over. [00:34:48] >> So we, you know, we've gotten, you know, [00:34:50] seven figures, you know, from our [00:34:52] companies. [00:34:53] >> From those companies. [00:34:54] >> Yeah. [00:34:55] >> That's awesome. [00:34:56] >> Yeah. Well, and then our other [00:34:57] construction companies and you know, so [00:34:59] we get okay returns, I guess. [00:35:01] >> That's pretty good. Seven figures is [00:35:03] good. [00:35:03] >> Yeah. [00:35:04] >> Took a return for not doing anything. [00:35:06] >> Just let in your name. [00:35:08] >> Well, yes. All that money flows from [00:35:11] multiple government agencies and [00:35:13] departments to the alleged crutchfield [00:35:14] corporate facade. Companies that claim [00:35:17] to be Native Americanowned, outsource [00:35:19] most of their work, offer extremely [00:35:21] generous compensation to their [00:35:23] executives to the tune of $350,000 a [00:35:25] year, and have barely any physical [00:35:27] footprint. I would guess that 99.9% [00:35:31] of you, the audience, have never heard [00:35:32] of any of this, have never seen any of [00:35:34] this. Man, most people don't even know [00:35:37] your ATI name, but they make they make [00:35:40] they make good money. They make great [00:35:42] money. I mean, you fly under the radar [00:35:44] and you take 65%. [00:35:47] Nobody even knows today. [00:35:50] >> Nice work. [00:35:52] >> Cheers. [00:35:53] >> Hey, God bless America. [00:35:56] And that's here's the flying under the [00:35:57] radar, right? [00:36:00] >> Taking the money in, subcontracting much [00:36:03] of the work out. These government [00:36:06] contractors like ATI taking advantage of [00:36:08] their special minorityowned status to [00:36:11] get the contracts, get the money, act as [00:36:14] a pass through. And it's the taxpayer [00:36:17] who gets screwed over. You don't want [00:36:19] every you don't want to be on the front [00:36:20] page of the New York Times. I mean, [00:36:23] >> we don't want that. You have to deal [00:36:25] with the media. [00:36:27] >> We don't want that. [00:36:28] >> Crazy people like the rightwing James [00:36:31] O'Keefe dude, you know, [00:36:33] >> we don't want that. trying to trying to [00:36:35] find out how much money they're getting. [00:36:37] We don't want to deal with that. [00:36:39] >> Now, stay tuned again for tomorrow when [00:36:43] we break the interaction that I had with [00:36:45] Melain when I take off my wig and reveal [00:36:48] who we are and what we're about. One of [00:36:50] the most extraordinary things I've ever [00:36:52] seen in my career. And that's saying [00:36:53] something. You won't want to miss this [00:36:55] tomorrow live on my Price is My Life. [00:36:58] And if you're on the inside of these [00:37:00] institutions or any institution, [00:37:01] hopefully this reporting will encourage [00:37:04] other people on the inside to be brave [00:37:05] and tell the truth, not just into a [00:37:07] hidden camera at a restaurant to a [00:37:09] stranger, but to the American people [00:37:11] because we need people to be brave and [00:37:13] do something and step forward. If you [00:37:15] notice that corruption in the federal [00:37:16] government, please reach out to us at [00:37:18] tipsokeroup.com [00:37:21] or text us or signal us at 914919395. [00:37:26] That's 914-491-9395 [00:37:28] and one of my journalists will get back [00:37:30] right to you. This is a developing [00:37:32] story. Hopefully, people will be [00:37:34] arrested and this is the accountability [00:37:37] that you all seek. Stay tuned. [00:37:42] Well, there you have it. Part two of the [00:37:44] ATI investigation breaking here. Now, we [00:37:48] have a response from the Department of [00:37:50] Justice, the Small Business [00:37:52] Administration. Huge news. I think [00:37:54] they're suspending this whole thing. Uh, [00:37:57] we're going to go to a quick commercial [00:37:58] break to help pay our legal bills. We'll [00:38:00] be back to you in 60 seconds with a [00:38:02] response from the SBA and the DOJ. This [00:38:05] is James O'Keefe. You know me for [00:38:07] exposing the truth and holding the [00:38:09] corrupt elite responsible and [00:38:11] accountable. However, today I want to [00:38:13] tell you about protecting your own [00:38:15] freedom, your finances. Before you buy [00:38:17] any gold or silver, hear this. We're [00:38:19] going through one of the biggest [00:38:20] financial shifts of our lifetime. DD [00:38:23] dollarization. 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Freedom isn't given, [00:39:13] it's secured. This is James O'Keefe. As [00:39:15] always, this is not financial advice. [00:39:17] Always check with your licensed [00:39:19] financial adviser before you invest. [00:39:25] All right, everyone. We are back live on [00:39:28] the Price is my life. We have breaking [00:39:30] news. Part two of our investigation has [00:39:32] been launched live on the show featuring [00:39:34] Anish, another federal contractor admits [00:39:38] to $100 million in fraud. ATI Government [00:39:40] Solutions senior director Anish Abraham. [00:39:44] Uh, none of these guys are are Native [00:39:46] American, by the way. Uh, the company is [00:39:48] run by white guys. Exposes pass through [00:39:51] scams pocketing 65% of the $100 million [00:39:54] IRS contract while outsourcing the work [00:39:56] to Accenture. It appears as though [00:39:58] Accenture and McKenzie consulting [00:39:59] companies are making money off the scam. [00:40:02] The question is to what extent is [00:40:04] McKenzie and Accenture co-conspirators [00:40:06] in the fraud. But we have breaking news. [00:40:09] This is a letter from the Small Business [00:40:11] Administration. [00:40:13] Uh they're going to suspend the [00:40:15] contract. [00:40:16] We have the letter on the screen for [00:40:18] those who are of you live on YouTube and [00:40:20] X and Instagram. Quote, this is uh this [00:40:22] is from the US SBA. This is this is [00:40:25] today at noon. This just is just fresh [00:40:27] off the press. I am the suspension and [00:40:29] depart debarmment official with the [00:40:31] USBA. This notice of suspension is to [00:40:34] advise you the SBA is imposing a [00:40:36] suspension on ATI government solutions. [00:40:40] They're going to they're going to shut [00:40:41] down the entire contract. [00:40:45] This notice is to advise you the SBA is [00:40:47] imposing suspension. This letter is sent [00:40:49] to Fermage Crutchfield, again, a white [00:40:51] guy. Scott Deutschman, a white guy, and [00:40:54] Marina Mva, the CFO of ATI, who's also a [00:40:57] white woman, apparently married to the [00:41:00] the the boss under section 9407 of the [00:41:03] Federal Acquisition Regulation F. This [00:41:06] letter notifies you of your opportunity [00:41:08] to submit a response. They shut just [00:41:10] shut down the whole program. Breaking [00:41:12] news, everyone. [00:41:14] We shut down the program. How's that for [00:41:17] accountability? [00:41:19] We're going to post that letter and [00:41:23] get some more feedback. [00:41:26] Commission of embezzlement, theft, [00:41:27] forgery, bribery, falsification, [00:41:29] destruction of records is against the [00:41:30] law. [00:41:32] ATI was awarded $531 million in federal [00:41:37] contracts [00:41:39] and a lot of that money goes to firms [00:41:41] like Accenture and McKenzie. [00:41:44] So again, the question is to what extent [00:41:47] is Accenture and McKenzie which are not [00:41:50] minority owned businesses profiting off [00:41:53] this scam? [00:41:56] Also we have breaking news. Uh the [00:41:58] Department of Justice Antitrust Division [00:42:01] has informed me that they are launching [00:42:04] an investigation. [00:42:06] They're launching a criminal [00:42:07] investigation. [00:42:09] The Department of Justice, ladies and [00:42:11] gentlemen, is launching an [00:42:11] investigation. People saying, "Where's [00:42:13] Pam? Where's the Department of Justice?" [00:42:15] Well, apparently they're taking this [00:42:17] very seriously, and we appreciate that. [00:42:19] And we have this tweet. I'm looking up [00:42:21] at the screen here. This is Kelly [00:42:22] Laughafler who's the head of the SBA. [00:42:25] quote, "The SBA has launched an [00:42:27] investigation into ATI government [00:42:29] solutions and Susanville Ranchera. We [00:42:32] are reviewing a full conducting a full [00:42:34] review of the 8A program. For those of [00:42:35] you who don't know what that means, [00:42:36] that's the minorityowned small business [00:42:39] uh uh racket. It's called 8A, hundred [00:42:42] billion dollars of of fraud ostensibly [00:42:45] designed to help socially disadvantaged [00:42:47] uh people." quote, "Yet what we've [00:42:50] discovered so far," this is from Kelly [00:42:51] Laughafler, the head of the SBA, "what [00:42:53] we've discovered so far has been [00:42:54] institutional abuse, billions of dollars [00:42:57] in federal contracts that are run [00:42:58] through shell companies, passroughs, and [00:43:00] schemes. [00:43:02] That's why in February, the SBA took [00:43:04] immediate action to slash the AA [00:43:06] contracting goals, and we launched an [00:43:08] audit." [00:43:09] O'Keefe has exposed an important truth. [00:43:12] like every other government program [00:43:13] rooted in DEI, the 8A program is [00:43:18] problematic. Okay, [00:43:21] we have a couple people on the phone and [00:43:23] some whistleblowers we're going to get [00:43:24] to today who have more information, but [00:43:27] if you're just tuning in everyone, um [00:43:30] the Department of Justice is launching [00:43:32] an investigation, a criminal [00:43:34] investigation. We've learned no one has [00:43:36] broken this yet. [00:43:38] Um, [00:43:40] and the SBA has suspended all money to [00:43:44] this program. We're talking about [00:43:46] hundreds of millions of dollars. [00:43:49] And what do I have to say about it? [00:43:51] Well, that's an interesting question. [00:43:54] I'm kind of I'm kind of surprised that [00:43:56] the DOJ is doing anything, to be honest. [00:43:59] I'm actually kind of shocked. Um, I'm [00:44:03] going to get to uh I'm going to get to [00:44:04] this uh guy who's written this article. [00:44:07] Where's the article? Um, the scandal of [00:44:10] minority contracting by Joe Lansdale. [00:44:13] Race-based contracting regimes threaten [00:44:15] the core American values, writes Judge [00:44:17] Glock. We'll get to the judge in two [00:44:19] minutes. But before I get to the judge, [00:44:20] I just want to say that justice, we're [00:44:24] talking about the Department of Justice [00:44:26] holding people accountable because [00:44:27] obviously that's the only thing you guys [00:44:28] care about. It's the only thing I care [00:44:29] about, accountability. Who cares about [00:44:31] the truth? We want the accountability. [00:44:33] Well, you can't have accountability [00:44:34] without the truth. But in order to have [00:44:36] justice, justice in Plato's Republic, if [00:44:40] you haven't read Plato's Republic, [00:44:41] Socrates encounters people with whom he [00:44:43] debates the meaning of justice about. [00:44:46] And Poly Marcus, one of the characters [00:44:47] in Plato's Republic, tells him that [00:44:49] justice is doing good to one's friends [00:44:51] and evil to one's enemies. [00:44:54] Poly Marcism is the crudest of ethical [00:44:57] theories. But unfortunately in a country [00:44:59] that has become politicized as ours, the [00:45:02] more politicized our country becomes, [00:45:04] the more corrupt it becomes. And when [00:45:06] polit when everything is political, [00:45:08] personal morality, right and wrong, [00:45:11] becomes completely irrelevant. [00:45:13] And lost in any of this is any semblance [00:45:16] of right and wrong. [00:45:18] Nobody does anything about it until a [00:45:20] goofy a goofy wig, the guy with the [00:45:23] goofy wig. How do they not recognize the [00:45:25] guy in the wig? Well, they're both [00:45:26] corrupt and incompetent. And you might [00:45:29] say, "How is that possible?" And we have [00:45:31] this tweet by by James, the father of [00:45:33] the smartphone. I don't know if we could [00:45:35] throw that on the screen for the [00:45:36] audience. If if if I or you stole $500, [00:45:42] we'd be in jail. [00:45:45] Why do people feel that they can [00:45:46] acceptably steal hundreds of millions of [00:45:48] dollars be? Because they know people. [00:45:51] They're they're they're they're um [00:45:52] Accenture [00:45:55] Accenture and McKenzie [00:45:57] are benefiting hundreds of millions of [00:45:59] dollars. Um a normal American would have [00:46:02] life in prison if we stole $100 million. [00:46:06] So the Department of Justice is is [00:46:08] investigating and men never do evil so [00:46:11] completely and cheerfully when they [00:46:12] believe they are following their [00:46:13] conscience helping minorities. Well, [00:46:15] this is all to help minorities. But as [00:46:18] you saw in today's video live, and we're [00:46:21] about to publish that part two in a [00:46:23] moment, they said we're they're never [00:46:25] going to touch this. They're never going [00:46:27] to lay a finger on us because because [00:46:30] we're minorityowned. And that was a very [00:46:33] important statement. We're going to play [00:46:34] that again. So the question is Accentra [00:46:38] and McKenzie who are getting all of this [00:46:40] money, getting all the money through the [00:46:42] subcontractors, are they [00:46:43] co-conspirators? And we are going to go [00:46:45] to our callers and I believe we have the [00:46:48] scandal of minority contracting author [00:46:50] on the phone. The judge, is he there? [00:46:56] >> This is the scandal. [00:46:58] >> Yes, I'm here. [00:46:58] >> Hey there. Uh would love your reaction [00:47:00] to this story and the breaking news. The [00:47:02] Department of Justice is investigating [00:47:04] and the SBA has suspended the contract [00:47:06] and you wrote a piece called the scandal [00:47:08] of minority contracting. This is Judge [00:47:11] Glock on the phone. Your reaction. [00:47:15] Uh yes. Well, it's a big step and a very [00:47:18] much a welcome step. Uh since I've been [00:47:20] writing on this issue for several years, [00:47:22] everybody I've talked to uh who works in [00:47:25] government contracting has stories about [00:47:27] this. Everyone knows it's absolutely [00:47:30] riddled with fraud that's actually not [00:47:32] doing anything to help any actually [00:47:34] disadvantaged individuals. Uh but the [00:47:36] program persists and uh fraudulent [00:47:39] schemes like this being revealed and [00:47:41] being stopped uh is essential for [00:47:43] actually hopefully getting the American [00:47:45] public, the administration, Congress to [00:47:47] finally end uh the program once and for [00:47:49] all, which is uh hopefully the next [00:47:51] step. So you wrote in your in your [00:47:53] article um the abandonment of merit has [00:47:56] eroded the competence of our government [00:47:58] agencies costing tens of billions of [00:48:00] dollars in griffin waste and uh it yet [00:48:03] it receives little attention preferences [00:48:05] to minority owned businesses and [00:48:07] government contracts and those in [00:48:09] government. It gives those in government [00:48:10] an opportunity to pass money to friends [00:48:12] and special interests. But it appears in [00:48:15] this investigation, Judge Glock, and [00:48:17] you're a director of research at the [00:48:18] Manhattan Institute, that that McKenzie [00:48:21] and Accenture are getting all this [00:48:23] money. So, how does how does that work? [00:48:26] And and and are are they co-conspirators [00:48:29] in this? [00:48:32] >> Uh well, it's hard to tell in any [00:48:34] particular case. Uh what we do know is [00:48:37] yet the main form the the fraud takes in [00:48:40] this program is that you have either a [00:48:43] front man or front woman who pretends to [00:48:45] head a company uh when it's white men or [00:48:49] or white women or other behind them who [00:48:51] are actually operated. It's very often [00:48:53] the wife of a a construction owner or [00:48:56] someone else who uh pretends to be the [00:48:58] head of a company and then the the [00:49:00] husband actually does the work. Or you [00:49:01] have a situation like this where there's [00:49:03] a pass through entity where someone sets [00:49:06] up a uh a a front company. They receive, [00:49:09] you know, a few cents in the dollar, [00:49:11] could be up to 20 cents, could be more, [00:49:13] and they pass that on uh to another [00:49:16] company like McKenzie or whomever. And [00:49:18] then they get to keep the difference. [00:49:19] And this is again shockingly comic. [00:49:21] There was just a case up before the the [00:49:23] Supreme Court this year uh about this [00:49:26] kind of fraud. And again, the fact that [00:49:28] this this doesn't get more attention in [00:49:30] kind of the Affern DI debate always [00:49:33] surprises me. It's pervasive. It's [00:49:34] expensive. It can cost in tens of [00:49:36] billions. Uh but there's just not been [00:49:39] the same amount of outrage there has [00:49:40] been, say, about affirmative action in [00:49:42] in colleges or other programs. [00:49:44] >> Is this the first time the Department of [00:49:46] Justice has launched a criminal [00:49:47] investigation on these programs that [00:49:49] you're aware of? [00:49:52] >> Uh I'm not sure exactly about criminal. [00:49:55] They have had some some past uh uh [00:49:58] criminal investigations. So, as I've [00:50:00] mentioned, the the fraud is pretty [00:50:02] rampant in this. Uh there was a criminal [00:50:06] uh indictment and I believe sentencing [00:50:08] not a few months ago on a USD scam that [00:50:13] was totaling hundreds of millions of [00:50:15] dollars. And again, considering the the [00:50:17] amount of attention being put on USA ID, [00:50:20] uh it was somewhat surprising that [00:50:22] didn't get more uh more public [00:50:24] attention. But um uh this sort of big [00:50:27] scam uh and criminal investigation is is [00:50:29] a very important part how the American [00:50:31] public becomes aware of uh the fraud of [00:50:34] these programs. [00:50:35] >> I mean this is a hundred billion dollars [00:50:38] which I understand is about 5% of the [00:50:40] United States deficit. So, this seems to [00:50:43] uh be larger than USA ID. And just one [00:50:46] more question for you, Judge Glock. And [00:50:47] we have the Matt Swain tweet, if we can [00:50:50] throw that on the screen, just just so [00:50:51] that people if you could just break this [00:50:53] down. Um, you know, kind of like in the [00:50:56] in the movie when they say, "Talk to me [00:50:58] like I'm a third grader." How does the [00:51:00] scam how does this this this racket work [00:51:03] for the for the people to understand the [00:51:04] 51% rule and how these no bid government [00:51:07] contracts actually work? Could you just [00:51:09] walk us through how this works? [00:51:12] Yeah. [00:51:14] >> Yeah. So, the the the the Congress uh in [00:51:17] its wisdom back in the 1970s uh said [00:51:20] that the uh the government should put [00:51:23] about 5% of all of its contracts to what [00:51:26] it called socially and economically [00:51:29] disadvantaged businesses or individuals [00:51:31] that own uh uh businesses. Now, what [00:51:33] does that mean? Congress said back in [00:51:35] the day, you would have a presumption [00:51:37] that you were disadvantaged if you were [00:51:39] one of these racial or ethnic minority [00:51:41] groups. Uh, and that's still effectively [00:51:45] how these programs have been operated [00:51:46] ever since. So, uh, if you could claim [00:51:49] to be disadvantaged uh, in one of these [00:51:52] disadvantaged racial or ethnic groups, [00:51:54] you could become a a disadvantaged [00:51:58] business for the purpose of government [00:51:59] contracts. And then the government when [00:52:02] it's part department of defense issuing [00:52:04] new contracts for tanks or department of [00:52:07] transportation issuing contracts for [00:52:09] roads or whatever it is uh they're [00:52:11] required by the government to give a [00:52:12] certain percentage of their contracts [00:52:14] out to these supposedly disadvantaged [00:52:16] businesses. Usually that means either [00:52:18] with limited competition or no [00:52:20] competition at all. you just win the [00:52:22] contract because you're the only [00:52:23] minority owned business around and you [00:52:26] get to keep a pretty hefty sum relative [00:52:29] to what it would be if it was a full and [00:52:30] open competition. Uh the Biden [00:52:32] administration did increase uh what was [00:52:35] the statutory requirement from 5% of all [00:52:38] contracts to 15%. So you had an [00:52:40] absolutely massive number of of US [00:52:42] contracts going into these supposedly [00:52:45] disadvantaged businesses. Not surprising [00:52:47] when you increase the the mandate there, [00:52:49] you're going to increase the amount of [00:52:50] fraud and the incentive for people to [00:52:52] take advantage and that's probably what [00:52:54] you saw in these sort of circumstances. [00:52:56] >> Well, well, thank you, Judge Glock. We [00:52:58] appreciate your time. Director of [00:52:59] research, senior fellow of the Manhattan [00:53:00] Institute responding to the breaking [00:53:02] news. Judge Glock, thanks for being with [00:53:03] us today. Um, [00:53:06] >> if you're just tuning in, everyone, the [00:53:07] Department of Justice is launching a [00:53:09] criminal investigation and the SBA has [00:53:11] suspended all contracts with this [00:53:14] organization. So, [00:53:16] our our reporters at OMG saving the [00:53:19] taxpayers hundreds of millions of [00:53:21] dollars. It's not it's not it's not uh [00:53:22] their money. Uh before we go to our next [00:53:25] caller, I just want to play again the [00:53:27] top of the breaking video. We have [00:53:29] another guy doing the same thing, [00:53:33] swirling his wine, toasting it to me. [00:53:36] Here's to passroughs [00:53:38] in vino veritas. Can we play the [00:53:40] beginning of the video again? This is [00:53:42] >> the new contact. [00:53:43] >> Pause the video for a second. [00:53:46] Let me just set this up for the [00:53:47] audience. This is this is an another [00:53:49] federal contractor Anish Abraham [00:53:53] pocketing $65 million off the government [00:53:57] while outsourcing all the work to [00:53:59] Accenture in Ireland. This guy's not [00:54:02] native minority. He's just an an Indian [00:54:06] gentleman, [00:54:08] not Native American. Uh Anish Abraham, [00:54:11] go ahead, play the tape. [00:54:12] >> So the new contract is basically close [00:54:15] to 100 million. [00:54:16] >> What's the percentage that HTI will [00:54:18] retain from that 100 million? [00:54:20] >> 65 for us being the prime and then [00:54:24] >> pause 65% that's 65 million for us and [00:54:30] then and then the rest of the money goes [00:54:31] to Accenture which is $35 million to [00:54:34] Accenture. [00:54:35] My question is [00:54:38] the Department of Justice should look [00:54:39] into to what extent Accenture is a [00:54:41] co-conspirator in this fraud. [00:54:44] Keep playing it. [00:54:49] >> That's me in a different disguise. I'm [00:54:51] not really disguised. I don't even have [00:54:53] a wig this time. People are making fun [00:54:54] of my wig. This time I'm just wearing a [00:54:56] pair of glasses. [00:54:59] And what's shocking is that the it's not [00:55:01] just the fraud, it's the incompetence [00:55:03] and the fraud. People say, "Okay." [00:55:08] I say because I'm trying to prove a [00:55:09] point that these people are are it's so [00:55:14] broken that I I intentionally wanted a [00:55:17] bad disguise. [00:55:20] Probably gets more attention that way. [00:55:22] People say I need to invest in a better [00:55:23] disguise. I don't want to invest in a [00:55:25] better disguise. Keep playing. Keep [00:55:27] going. Good deal right there. We posed [00:55:29] as head hunters looking to hire someone [00:55:32] who could get us government money [00:55:34] contracts with the IRS. And you pay [00:55:37] these like asentures to do the job and [00:55:41] so it's really minimal work. [00:55:43] >> Yes. [00:55:48] >> We pay Accenture to do the job and we [00:55:51] don't do any work. You can't make this [00:55:54] stuff up and Anish says yes that's re in [00:55:58] reality what is happening. They're [00:56:00] admitting to a felony. [00:56:05] >> Keep going. [00:56:07] I'm not talking about it at my firm, but [00:56:09] yeah, [00:56:09] >> it appears the accent is hard to [00:56:11] understand over the air. He says, "We [00:56:14] don't talk about it at my firm." But [00:56:16] yeah, that's the truth. The best kept [00:56:19] secret in Washington. Keep going. [00:56:21] >> Though these companies are just shell [00:56:23] companies, just passroughs. [00:56:25] >> Sounds like you're a pass through. [00:56:28] >> Yeah. Past. [00:56:32] >> Pause. Look at this guy's face. You go [00:56:34] look at his He's He's laughing. He's [00:56:36] laughing. Yeah, we're a pastor. [00:56:40] As he toasts his wine. I mean, this is a [00:56:41] joke. This is a national disgrace. [00:56:44] So, if if people aren't arrested, then [00:56:47] what does that mean for our country? [00:56:50] If there's no accountability, [00:56:52] then our notion of freedom is just an [00:56:54] illusion. There is no freedom. There is [00:56:56] no United States. [00:56:58] Um, [00:57:00] if people don't get arrested, [00:57:03] then then we have we're in trouble. [00:57:06] That's why this is this is that's why [00:57:07] this is escalated. Um, okay. Let's go to [00:57:10] our next caller. We've got a lot to do [00:57:12] in so little time. We're going to launch [00:57:14] this video at 1 p.m. Eastern time. [00:57:16] That's in 20 minutes. For those of you [00:57:18] tuning in live, we've changed our [00:57:20] format. We're breaking news live on the [00:57:22] air. We're We're playing the next video [00:57:25] for you live and we're gonna publish the [00:57:28] video at one o'clock. Let's bring Let's [00:57:31] bring in Bo. [00:57:36] Bo, are you there? [00:57:40] >> Yep. Hey, James. How are you? [00:57:42] >> Hey, how you doing? What's your reaction [00:57:44] to this breaking news? [00:57:48] It kind of uh fits with nearly every [00:57:51] other DEI initiative that you hear about [00:57:53] from the federal government. It is [00:57:55] perhaps well-intentioned, but used to [00:57:58] discriminate against middle class white [00:58:01] Americans in favor of uh Americans with [00:58:04] a different skin color and those who [00:58:07] have the corporate power to take [00:58:09] advantage of this kind of effort. It's [00:58:12] it's really what you guys have [00:58:14] uncovered. You're the director of the [00:58:16] American Military Project, Claremont [00:58:18] Institute. We've got about one minute [00:58:20] with you. Um, talk about this AA [00:58:23] program. The SBA has defunded it. This [00:58:25] is breaking news. The Department of [00:58:26] Justice is looking into it. Um, tell us [00:58:29] your thoughts. [00:58:32] >> Yeah, AA is a cornerstone of all [00:58:34] government contracting. I mean that [00:58:36] that's what's so kind of stunning about [00:58:39] your your story that you've presented is [00:58:42] it presents the truth that anyone [00:58:44] remotely involved in the space knows uh [00:58:46] present it for everyone to see and [00:58:48] therein you see how absurd it is that [00:58:51] essentially ADA status with some loose [00:58:54] verification and plenty of pass through [00:58:56] opportunities is more or less a [00:58:58] guarantee for massive federal contracts [00:59:03] and it's on the backs of this diverse to [00:59:05] the agenda that still has a lot of power [00:59:08] in our country and this is the exact [00:59:10] kind of stone that we need to turn over. [00:59:12] >> Will do you think um this is the [00:59:14] question of the day is is Accenture and [00:59:17] McKenzie who are not minority or DEI [00:59:20] things. They're just profit oriented [00:59:21] consulting firms. Do you believe is your [00:59:24] I'm asking for your opinion. Are they [00:59:25] co-conspirators in this illegal [00:59:28] behavior? [00:59:32] >> They there are conspirators in this [00:59:34] program. They take advantage of it and [00:59:36] they use their massive organizational [00:59:39] capability uh to siphon off contract [00:59:42] money meant for disadvantaged [00:59:44] individuals or businesses owned by [00:59:46] disadvantaged individuals. At the the [00:59:49] legal issue, I you know I I don't know [00:59:51] specifically, but they are the they are [00:59:53] taking advantage of this. They are [00:59:55] literally profiting off of it uh because [00:59:58] they know how the system works and they [01:00:00] have their own internal systems uh to [01:00:03] manipulate the federal government that [01:00:04] should be representing the American [01:00:06] people. [01:00:07] >> Okay. Thank you, Will, very much for [01:00:08] joining us. Will Will at the Claremont [01:00:11] Institute Center. We appreciate you, [01:00:12] Will. Um let's go to our next caller. [01:00:16] This is Kyle Brazen, who's the chief [01:00:18] counsel for the oversight project at [01:00:20] Heritage Foundation. Now serves as vice [01:00:22] president of Lagat. Uh, Kyle, you there? [01:00:26] >> James, how are you? Thanks for having me [01:00:28] on. [01:00:28] >> Hey, Kyle. First, your reaction to the [01:00:30] Department of Justice's criminal [01:00:31] investigation into this as well as the [01:00:33] SBA suspending all contracts with these [01:00:36] firms. [01:00:38] >> Yeah, this is huge. I'm listening to the [01:00:40] Cheryl throughout. I'm reading the [01:00:42] letter that SBA sent to ATI now, and it [01:00:44] seems like they're setting the stage for [01:00:47] criminal investigation by the Justice [01:00:49] Department. you know, they're listing [01:00:50] four grounds for suspending ATI here, [01:00:53] particularly acting as a pass through. [01:00:55] Um, you know, shenanigans with the [01:00:57] Indian tribe where they don't actually [01:00:58] control ATI, uh, lack of oversight for [01:01:02] subcontractors and other other fraud. [01:01:04] You know, and the SBA basically comes [01:01:06] out and says that ATI lied to them to [01:01:09] get these loans. And so I think I think [01:01:11] they are setting the stage setting the [01:01:13] foundation for potential criminal [01:01:14] culpability um amongst ATI and its [01:01:18] officers based on on how basically the [01:01:20] FDA is alleging that that they lied to [01:01:22] the government here. [01:01:23] >> Question of the day, people are asking [01:01:26] Accenture and McKenzie, are they [01:01:28] co-conspirators in this 100 billion? I [01:01:31] mean I I think that that this is in the [01:01:34] realm of a hundred million contract for [01:01:36] Accenture just with this one firm alone. [01:01:39] Are are do you think I'm asking your [01:01:41] opinion are they co-conspirators? [01:01:45] I [01:01:45] >> mean I think as the previous caller said [01:01:47] they certainly benefited from the free [01:01:49] flow of money. I I think from a legal [01:01:51] perspective [01:01:53] um a lot of the responsibility to sort [01:01:56] of manage their subcontractors comes on [01:01:58] the prime contractor. So, the real [01:02:00] entity facing significant legal risk [01:02:03] here is is ATI and potentially the [01:02:05] Indian tribe that quote unquote own. Um, [01:02:08] you know, it depends of what the [01:02:10] evidence will show from the [01:02:11] investigation, but I think I think ATI [01:02:14] and potentially the tribe are the ones [01:02:15] that are in real danger here. [01:02:16] >> And can we throw while while Kyle's on [01:02:18] the phone, can we throw the letter from [01:02:20] sent from the head of the Small Business [01:02:21] Administration [01:02:23] uh to this firm? This is this was sent [01:02:26] that literally as I'm going on the air [01:02:28] and we're just going to go ahead and [01:02:29] review this again for those who are just [01:02:30] tuning in. This is a suspension and [01:02:33] debarment official with SBA. [01:02:35] And if we could just go through the [01:02:37] letter and and Will, what did you say [01:02:39] you thought the highlight from the [01:02:40] letter was? Where is the part of the [01:02:41] letter where there do you think it's [01:02:43] highlighting a criminal investigation? [01:02:46] >> Sure. Sure. So, if you look at page two [01:02:48] of the letter, uh, grounds for [01:02:50] suspension under under the FAR and all [01:02:52] those statute and all those, you know, [01:02:54] regulatory mumbo jumbo there, they list [01:02:56] out sort of four factual predicates, uh, [01:02:59] for suspending them under the [01:03:00] regulations. [01:03:01] >> We're going to read that. We're going to [01:03:02] read that one through one, two, three, [01:03:04] four. Correct. [01:03:06] >> Yes, sir. [01:03:07] >> Okay. We're going to read that for the [01:03:08] audience so they can follow along with [01:03:09] the letter. The Indian tribe does not in [01:03:12] effect control ATI and the and they and [01:03:14] they seed the control to these white [01:03:16] guys Crutchfield, Deutschman and Molly [01:03:18] Eva and the chief financial officer is [01:03:20] is is you know sleeping with the CEO. [01:03:23] ATI uses its minority status to act as a [01:03:26] quote pass through. ATI routinely does [01:03:28] not meet limitations on requirements and [01:03:30] the tribe does not proportionally [01:03:32] benefit from the AA contracts. Those are [01:03:34] the four facts you're talking about. [01:03:37] >> Yes. And so if you look at the next [01:03:38] sentence, it says SBA believes that ATI [01:03:40] may have made false statements to SBA [01:03:42] and other government agencies and [01:03:44] consider this adequate evidence for [01:03:46] suspension under the FAR. Now there is a [01:03:49] criminal statute that requires you to [01:03:52] basically if you are submitting [01:03:53] something to the government, you have to [01:03:55] certify that you are being truthful to [01:03:57] it. And I'm assuming that in all [01:03:59] government contracts, you attest that [01:04:01] the information you are providing to get [01:04:03] that contract is indeed factual, [01:04:06] factually accurate. The primal code is [01:04:07] 18 USC 10001 the the perjury statute. [01:04:12] And so [01:04:12] >> that's the making false statements to [01:04:14] the FBI is that's 10001 is making false [01:04:17] statements to felony. [01:04:20] >> Yes. And so and it also opens up [01:04:23] potentially false claims act cases and [01:04:25] other other fraudulent ways to [01:04:28] fraudulently obtain uh you know [01:04:30] government contracts here. And so the [01:04:32] FBA is basically telling ATI in this [01:04:34] letter here. They send another one to [01:04:35] the Indian tribe too, but then they [01:04:37] basically it's a show cause order um [01:04:39] asking them to like say why you know why [01:04:42] we shouldn't suspend you um because [01:04:44] you're you're participating in the [01:04:46] scheme as well. But but there you know [01:04:48] basically the SDA is telling these [01:04:49] people that that they believe they were [01:04:51] lied and and that is that is a potential [01:04:54] ground for criminal. I just have a a [01:04:55] generic question and this is really [01:04:57] helpful and I know we're kind of getting [01:04:59] into the weeds but but but this is a [01:05:01] seminal moment I think in American [01:05:03] history because if the United States [01:05:05] government actually does this is what [01:05:06] they're saying they suspended the [01:05:08] contract. Uh we're talking about [01:05:10] billions of dollars being suspended from [01:05:13] this program. Why do you think that [01:05:15] nobody has done anything on this Kyle? I [01:05:18] mean if I stole $500 I'd be in prison. [01:05:21] [ __ ] I was in prison. I was raided by [01:05:23] the FBI and I'm a journalist. So, what [01:05:26] exactly has happened so that it got so [01:05:28] bad? It got bad enough that a a guy in a [01:05:31] wig could walk into a restaurant and get [01:05:34] them to admit to the wire fraud. What [01:05:35] What is your opinion on that? [01:05:38] >> I think the FBA has been a slush one for [01:05:40] fraud for for decades. Um, you know, you [01:05:43] you've uncovered the bombshell with uh [01:05:46] the AA program here, but if you even go [01:05:48] back to the COVID, the PPP loans were [01:05:50] all administered by the SBA. You know, [01:05:52] House House Small Business Committee [01:05:54] found 200 billion in PPP fraud. Um, you [01:05:58] know, it it was a a trillion dollars [01:06:01] that went out during COVID through the [01:06:03] SBA for for for helping, you know, keep [01:06:05] small businesses quote unquote afloat [01:06:07] during the pandemic. And the fraud was [01:06:08] rampant. It's it's a worst kept secret [01:06:10] in Washington. worst kept secret I've [01:06:12] heard I've heard I've heard everyone say [01:06:14] this is an open se Is it an open secret [01:06:16] in Washington because everybody's making [01:06:18] money off of it. [01:06:19] >> Is that what this is about? [01:06:24] >> It could be. I mean I mean I look if you [01:06:26] look at if you look at sort of the [01:06:27] federal contracting arena it's it's made [01:06:31] many people in the greater DMV area [01:06:33] incredibly rich. [01:06:35] >> Yeah. And so, uh, there it's it's flush [01:06:38] funds for for rich Democrats, basically. [01:06:41] So, [01:06:41] >> well, thank thank you. Thank you. [01:06:44] >> Thank you. We got some breaking news. We [01:06:45] got to go to some whistleblowers on the [01:06:47] air, but I appreciate your time and Kyle [01:06:48] and I'm going to have you back. Okay. [01:06:50] Thank you. Thank you for your expertise [01:06:53] on this. Um, [01:06:57] we're going to go to a quick to a quick [01:06:59] uh uh from our sponsors. We're going to [01:07:01] be back in 60 seconds. Um, if you want [01:07:03] to support us, this is breaking news. [01:07:05] Department of Justice launching [01:07:06] investigation. 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[01:08:38] Welcome back to The Price of My Life. Uh [01:08:40] I'm James O'Keefe. We're going to launch [01:08:42] the part two in 5 minutes on X. But for [01:08:44] those of you tuning in live, we have [01:08:46] tipsters on the phone. This individual [01:08:48] wants to remain anonymous. Let's put him [01:08:50] through. [01:08:52] Are you on, sir? [01:08:54] >> Good. [01:08:54] >> Hey, good afternoon, ma'am. [01:08:56] >> Can you hear me? [01:08:57] >> Yes. Uh we've only about one minute per [01:08:59] per whistleblower. There's so many of [01:09:01] you. Could you just summarize the fraud [01:09:03] >> the the the you have claimed that [01:09:05] companies are benefiting from these [01:09:07] programs and they actually aren't [01:09:08] tribally owned and they receive sole [01:09:11] source contracts worth 100 million. Can [01:09:12] you talk about that please? [01:09:15] >> Uh yes we are currently in the AA [01:09:18] program. So what you have is regular AAS [01:09:21] and then you have the super 8As. the [01:09:23] super AAS or the Indian tribes that get [01:09:26] the $150 million worth of um contracts [01:09:30] and there's no oversight, there's no [01:09:33] accountability. I mean, nobody, you [01:09:36] know, check on these contracts to see if [01:09:39] uh the work is being done and supposedly [01:09:41] Doge has a list of these um companies [01:09:46] and so it hurts companies like mine in [01:09:48] the ADA program. We're small ADA and we [01:09:52] get cannibalized by these big super AAS [01:09:55] because they just keep, you know, [01:09:58] regenerating. [01:09:59] When they exceed the threshold, they [01:10:03] come up with another subsidiary. So, [01:10:06] it's forever and forever. They may have [01:10:08] like 20 subsidiaries under one entity. [01:10:12] So you say there's you would not be [01:10:14] surprised if there were if there were [01:10:16] not any employees on their contracts [01:10:18] despite billing the government for a [01:10:19] large number of employees. That's what [01:10:21] you've heard and seen. Is that what you [01:10:23] suspect that there's that this this is [01:10:25] just a shell game? [01:10:28] Yes, it's just a share game where they [01:10:30] just get the contract and they sub it [01:10:33] out to you know dozen of um you know [01:10:37] subcontractors [01:10:39] and you know they get 15% off the top [01:10:41] and they may do the reports like if it's [01:10:44] you know the uh government expects you [01:10:47] know 60 employees you know they may have [01:10:50] 10 employees but they billing the [01:10:52] government for 60 employees and [01:10:54] supposedly Doge uncovered some of this. [01:10:57] Y discrepancies [01:10:58] >> and and and one more question. The [01:11:00] Department of Justice is launching a [01:11:01] criminal investigation and the SBA [01:11:03] suspended the contracts. Your your [01:11:05] reaction to that? [01:11:08] >> I am not surprised. Um it's like the [01:11:11] other callers, it's a known secret, you [01:11:14] know, nobody says anything because you [01:11:16] don't want to be black ballalled. [01:11:17] >> You don't want to be black ballalled. [01:11:18] Nobody tells the truth. Ma'am, I want to [01:11:20] appreciate you. You are listening live [01:11:22] to a whistleblower who I'm not going to [01:11:25] say their name. OMG has received a dozen [01:11:28] of these people and we're going to be in [01:11:29] touch with you. We're not going to let [01:11:30] you down. We're going to talk to you [01:11:32] offline. Thank you for your time. Let's [01:11:35] go to the next whistleblower. No one's [01:11:36] ever done this before. We're getting the [01:11:38] Department of Justice to launch a [01:11:40] criminal investigation. We got the SBA [01:11:42] to drop the federal contracts. And we [01:11:44] got whistleblowers live on the air. [01:11:46] Let's I got a bunch of list of them. I'm [01:11:49] going to make sure I don't say their [01:11:50] name. This is um I'm not going to say [01:11:53] the name, but uh whistleblower number [01:11:56] three. Is that right? Let me just read [01:11:58] this. My friend was forced into [01:12:00] retirement due to these so-called 8A [01:12:02] contracts. He and his wife were in the [01:12:03] military contract business and because [01:12:05] they wouldn't cheat like the others, [01:12:07] they couldn't get contracts. So, I think [01:12:09] he would be willing to tell their [01:12:10] experience if this something you need. [01:12:11] Well, yes, we do need that to happen. [01:12:13] But what's interesting about this [01:12:14] whistleblower is you're saying that they [01:12:17] have to cheat to get the contracts. Can [01:12:20] you tell me what you um what you mean by [01:12:23] that? Are they on the line? [01:12:26] >> Can you tell me what you mean by that? [01:12:28] >> This James is [01:12:30] Hello, James. [01:12:31] >> Yes, we're you're live on all platforms. [01:12:34] Go ahead, sir. [01:12:35] >> Yeah. Well, we'll say this is Thomas. Uh [01:12:38] yeah, I had 20 years plus background in [01:12:41] working military contracts. Uh I was [01:12:44] fortunate enough to get my own contract [01:12:45] back in uh 1985 [01:12:48] and um I was doing so well bidding on [01:12:51] job but I didn't bid on jobs because I [01:12:53] didn't have a you know background [01:12:55] experience in bidding but when I did [01:12:57] start bidding I could not get a contract [01:12:59] cuz I was white. My wife was white so we [01:13:02] went ahead and made her the own of the [01:13:04] contract and she u uh white female and I [01:13:07] was told no that doesn't work that way. [01:13:10] you'd have to marry a minority in order [01:13:12] to uh to bid on ADA contracts. So that [01:13:17] put me out of business in 95. And so I [01:13:19] had to go find and that my background [01:13:21] that was my livelihood put my kids [01:13:24] through school and and I ended up having [01:13:26] to get walk off of bases and not work [01:13:29] there ever again. But I did work for [01:13:31] several AA contractors during that time. [01:13:34] And uh one contractor called me up, an [01:13:37] 8day contractor, and he said, "Hey, I [01:13:40] need to I need to hire you really quick. [01:13:43] Is there any way you could go to work in [01:13:44] 3 days?" And I said, "Well, yeah, I [01:13:47] mean, what's the problem?" He said, [01:13:48] "Well, I have a contract on the military [01:13:51] base, but they won't let me manage it [01:13:53] because I don't have the credentials. I [01:13:56] need to have I need you so you'll work [01:13:58] for me and and represent me and I can't [01:14:02] make any decisions other than just being [01:14:04] a contractor. So the four or five years [01:14:07] I worked for him um I never saw him but [01:14:10] maybe twice and the only thing he was [01:14:13] interested in is I went over to uh [01:14:15] accounting to make sure that his check [01:14:16] was mailed. [01:14:18] So I decided I would get out of the [01:14:20] business totally since I couldn't get a [01:14:21] contract as a as a wife contractor. [01:14:25] But I have other stories that include [01:14:27] that. [01:14:28] >> Well, thank you for your We're going to [01:14:29] be in touch with you. We'll keep you [01:14:31] anonymous. Um, thank you for your call. [01:14:33] You and your wife. [01:14:34] >> Well, Go ahead. [01:14:35] >> Well, I do I do know of one contractor I [01:14:38] know one contractor is multi-rich [01:14:41] just based on being ADA [01:14:44] and and I'm sure there's something under [01:14:47] the cover. [01:14:48] >> Well, it's in this case, they're not not [01:14:50] even the minority owned people that are [01:14:52] making the money. It's Accenture and [01:14:54] McKenzie. [01:14:55] >> It's not It's not minority. It's DC [01:14:58] consulting firms that are making all the [01:15:00] money in this case. Is that [01:15:02] >> is that true in your in your world as [01:15:04] well with these non- minority people [01:15:06] being enriched? [01:15:10] >> Well, the minorities will are being rich [01:15:12] and they're hooked up with SBA. I know [01:15:15] of two SBA officers that have been uh in [01:15:17] prison because of their actions taking [01:15:20] kickbacks. Well, the SBA has operated a [01:15:22] slush fund for a long time, but that [01:15:24] appears to be changing starting today. [01:15:26] Thank you, sir. We'll be in touch with [01:15:27] you offline. We got to go to the next [01:15:29] person. We got whistleblowers all [01:15:31] lighting up the phones. [01:15:34] I mean, this is if there was any [01:15:36] justice, you would say, "Well, everyone [01:15:37] needs to be watching this." Well, [01:15:38] everybody will be watching this. Okay, [01:15:41] we got to start somewhere. [01:15:44] Um, this is is this is this a call or [01:15:47] anonymous? [01:15:50] We're not going to talk talk to them on [01:15:51] the phone, but I'm going to read what [01:15:52] they sent us. Correct. [01:15:54] He is on the phone. Okay. Let me just [01:15:56] summarize this. Um, are we allowed to [01:15:57] say his name or is he remaining [01:15:58] anonymous? Anonymous. Okay. This [01:16:01] individual alleges the Department of [01:16:03] Veteran Affairs knowingly allows [01:16:04] contractors to commit subcontracting [01:16:06] fraud by using veterans and service [01:16:09] disabled veteranowned businesses to win [01:16:11] government contracts, but then excluding [01:16:13] them from the actual work. Sir, are you [01:16:15] on the line? [01:16:18] Yes, I am. Thank you for taking my call. [01:16:20] >> We've got about 60 seconds and my team [01:16:22] will talk to you for hours offline, but [01:16:24] while we're live in front of all these [01:16:26] people, can you give us a brief summary [01:16:28] of of what you saw with this AA [01:16:31] contracting scam with the VA? [01:16:36] Uh well, it's a um uh the VA required um [01:16:40] uh veterans to participate on on [01:16:42] contracts [01:16:44] and uh I was uh you know part of a uh [01:16:48] contract with a prime contractor but [01:16:50] after the award um they uh absorbed all [01:16:54] the business internally and that was [01:16:56] with the um uh full knowledge of the [01:17:00] Department of Veterans Affairs and it [01:17:03] went against the uh um uh against the uh [01:17:07] uh the bid the wooden bid that the the [01:17:09] prime contractor proposed. They they [01:17:12] said that they would spend 10% of the [01:17:14] total contract value which was north of [01:17:16] a billion dollars um with veterans and [01:17:19] veteranowned businesses and they uh [01:17:22] absorbed all that business and ended up [01:17:23] delivering zero spend with the uh [01:17:25] veterans. [01:17:27] >> Wow. and the Department of Veterans [01:17:29] Affairs uh changed the contract to [01:17:32] benefit the crime and um to exclude the [01:17:35] veterans with their knowledge with the [01:17:37] knowledge. So, and as when I was [01:17:40] speaking with attorneys doing research [01:17:42] on this, I find out that this is a very [01:17:44] common occurrence and um it's [01:17:47] detrimental to the nation's veterans uh [01:17:50] business owners. [01:17:51] >> Yeah, it's a detriment to the to the [01:17:53] veterans business owners. Um, did you [01:17:56] see that the Department of Justice is [01:17:58] launching a criminal investigation into [01:18:00] this racket and the SBA suspending the [01:18:02] contracts? Did you see that breaking [01:18:03] news? [01:18:06] >> I saw that and I unfortunately I don't [01:18:08] think much will happen unless Congress [01:18:10] actually gets in uh because there is no [01:18:12] mechanism right now to hold um uh bad [01:18:16] actors like um the agencies or the FDA [01:18:19] accountable for malfeasants. [01:18:23] Well, the Department of Justice [01:18:24] Antitrust Division apparently is on it, [01:18:26] but um you know, that's the question. [01:18:28] It's a really good point that you bring [01:18:30] up is will anything happen to these [01:18:32] people? And I think we've reached a [01:18:34] point in space and time where this is so [01:18:36] outrageous, so crazy. I mean, it's [01:18:39] almost goofy. Uh it's it's it's it's a [01:18:42] disgrace. [01:18:44] All you guys can talk about is my wig. [01:18:46] >> Absolutely. [01:18:47] >> And I did that intentionally, by the [01:18:48] way. I I didn't get good good [01:18:50] prosthetics because I I wanted to show [01:18:52] the absurdity. Sir, the VA um are you a [01:18:55] veteran? [01:18:58] >> Yes, I am. [01:18:59] >> Um well, we want to help you and we will [01:19:02] help you and we we're running out of [01:19:03] time on the air because I've only got [01:19:05] about 10 minutes left and then I get off [01:19:07] the air. So, thank you, sir, for reach [01:19:09] bringing this to our attention. We're [01:19:11] we're on it. We're going to investigate. [01:19:14] We're going to keep exposing it. And if [01:19:15] we got to show up to Washington DC in [01:19:17] the halls with our camera crew and put a [01:19:20] microphone gently into the faces of [01:19:22] folks who are prosecutors, we we'll get [01:19:24] we'll make it happen. Thank you, sir. [01:19:26] Thanks for your time. [01:19:28] Uh we got Matt Swain on. If we could [01:19:30] throw the Matt Sween tweet out, the [01:19:32] tweet up because I think this is really [01:19:34] great. Summarizing the racket. Um Matt, [01:19:38] are you there? [01:19:41] >> Yeah, I'm here. Yeah, your your tweet [01:19:42] kind of went viral, didn't it? [01:19:46] >> Well, thanks to you. And uh really in [01:19:50] context in contrast to your other [01:19:52] callers, I knew nothing about this. [01:19:54] >> No, I know, but you summarized it well. [01:19:56] You summarized it well. [01:19:57] >> And uh and uh and I wanted to summarize [01:20:01] it because it blew me away and I [01:20:04] thought, you know, there's people that [01:20:05] are scrolling through X and they're [01:20:06] like, "Oh, a 20 minute video. Not going [01:20:08] to watch it." I see the word [01:20:10] subcontract. I wave over. Move on. No, [01:20:13] this is this is really simple. I'm just [01:20:15] going to do the cliff notes on this [01:20:16] drift because the scale of it is pretty [01:20:20] jaw-dropping. [01:20:22] >> U Yeah, you say white guys start [01:20:24] company. White guys, let's put on the [01:20:26] screen. White guys sell 51% company to a [01:20:28] minority owned thing. Company awards no [01:20:31] bid contract. White guys take a cut. [01:20:33] Tribe takes a cut. the money used [01:20:35] subcontract to a different not [01:20:37] underprivileged Accenture. By the way, [01:20:39] Matt, as someone who isn't in this [01:20:41] space, do you think that question of the [01:20:43] day, do you think that Accenture and [01:20:44] McKenzie are co-conspirators in this [01:20:47] fraud? [01:20:51] >> Probably. I mean, I'm I'm not a legal [01:20:52] expert, but [01:20:54] uh it's infuriating how simple this is [01:20:58] and it takes a guy in a wig to uncover [01:20:59] it. I mean, where where's the Justice [01:21:03] Department? Where's the FBI? Where's the [01:21:05] government? Um, [01:21:07] >> yeah, [01:21:08] >> Luther you're talking to the willingness [01:21:10] of them still is like is it's amazing. [01:21:13] And the whole 6535 number you posted [01:21:16] today that made my jaw drop. [01:21:17] >> Yeah, that's that's the new story. We're [01:21:18] going to we're going to publish that. [01:21:20] We're about to publish part two on the [01:21:23] internet, but it was live on the air. [01:21:25] 6535 [01:21:26] split. Um, Matt, thanks for calling in. [01:21:30] Got to go. [01:21:31] >> That's 100. [01:21:33] Yeah, thank you. [01:21:34] >> Thank you. I mean, this is an incredible [01:21:36] job by someone who isn't an expert just [01:21:38] explaining this to people who are like [01:21:40] third grade English. We also have [01:21:42] another individual. We're not going to [01:21:43] post their name, but this is a tip live. [01:21:46] Quote, "I'm a political appointee for [01:21:48] the Trump administration, and I would [01:21:49] appreciate staying anonymous, but I have [01:21:51] relevant information for your latest [01:21:53] story. Look into Chickasaw Nation [01:21:55] Industries CNI and the contracts. They [01:21:58] hire almost all of the contractors at [01:22:00] various agencies, use their minority [01:22:02] studies to hike up the pay, bloating the [01:22:04] government bottom line with bodies and [01:22:06] dollars. We are getting inundated with [01:22:08] tips. It's a watershed moment. [01:22:13] And and and uh you know, let me let me [01:22:16] say again what I said earlier. If we [01:22:18] could please play the first two minutes [01:22:19] of the video for those tuning in. Anish [01:22:22] Abraham talking about Accenture and [01:22:25] profiting off the contract taking 6535 [01:22:29] split. Hit it. [01:22:30] >> So the new contract is basically close [01:22:32] to 100 million. [01:22:34] >> What's the percentage that AI will [01:22:36] retain from that 100 million? [01:22:38] >> 65 for us being the prime and then 35. [01:22:42] So $65. [01:22:44] >> Yeah, that's a good deal right there. We [01:22:47] posed as head hunters looking to hire [01:22:50] someone who could get us government [01:22:52] money contracts with the IRS. [01:22:54] >> And you pay these like asentures to do [01:22:58] the job. And so it's really minimal [01:23:00] work. [01:23:01] >> Yes. [01:23:02] >> And honestly that's it. That's really in [01:23:05] reality that's what's happened. I'm not [01:23:06] talking bad about my firm but yeah [01:23:08] >> it appears as though these companies are [01:23:10] just shell companies just passroughs. [01:23:14] >> Sounds like you're a pass through. [01:23:17] Yeah, pastor. [01:23:20] >> Past unless Elon comes and changes [01:23:23] changes the changes the law to take out [01:23:26] the the pastor, so to speak. [01:23:29] >> I don't think they'll there to touch the [01:23:32] the native [01:23:35] Americans, the native Indians. [01:23:36] >> They're not going to touch the Native [01:23:37] American layer of protection. And most [01:23:41] people don't even know your ATI name. [01:23:44] But they make they make they make good [01:23:45] money there. [01:23:46] >> They make great money. I mean, you fly [01:23:48] under the radar and you take 65%. [01:23:51] Nobody even knows today. [01:23:57] >> Hey, God bless America. [01:24:00] America, right? [01:24:03] >> Okay. God bless America. Here's to [01:24:05] flying under the radar. Uh, I'm going to [01:24:07] just make a comment and we're going to [01:24:08] publish this video and wrap this up. [01:24:09] Everyone, breaking news. is the DOJ [01:24:12] plans to launch investigation, [01:24:14] SBA suspending the contract. And let's [01:24:16] go back to this concept of justice [01:24:17] because what is this really about? It's [01:24:19] about whether people go to prison, you [01:24:21] guys think. That's what that's what [01:24:22] every comment asks. Are these people [01:24:24] going to be arrested? I don't have the [01:24:26] power to arrest people, by the way. None [01:24:28] of us do. That that relies upon people [01:24:31] in the government. But if we have on the [01:24:33] screen here, this is the contracts. Can [01:24:35] we throw this on screen? McKenzie and [01:24:36] company. Is that $215 million in money? [01:24:41] There you go. McKenzie Construction and [01:24:44] site development, McKenzie and company, [01:24:47] more loans. Um, so the question is, will [01:24:50] people be arrested? And I go back to my [01:24:52] concept of justice. I said on Monday [01:24:54] that you guys wanted me to call Cash [01:24:57] Patel. I did. I've spoken with the [01:24:59] people in the Department of Justice and [01:25:00] they told me on background they're [01:25:02] planning to launch an investigation. But [01:25:04] the very point of administrative [01:25:07] law and service reform is that it's [01:25:10] meant to replace the realm of politics [01:25:12] with that of law with equal justice [01:25:14] under the law. We're a nation of laws [01:25:17] without specific payoffs to the [01:25:19] well-connected. [01:25:21] I'm not supposed to have to call them [01:25:23] for them to do the right thing. [01:25:26] So [01:25:28] things have become systemically corrupt. [01:25:32] systemically corrupt and it's gotten to [01:25:36] this point that justice is doing favors [01:25:39] for our friends. We become so tribal [01:25:42] literally and figuratively that all we [01:25:45] look at we look at this through the lens [01:25:47] of politics and party [01:25:49] under the crudest of ethical theories [01:25:51] polyarcism [01:25:53] doing good to one's friends and doing [01:25:56] bad to one's enemies but this is not [01:25:57] about left or right or republican [01:25:58] democrat [01:26:00] this is about straight up corruption [01:26:02] morality irrelevant it's all about money [01:26:05] and if you and I were to steal $500 from [01:26:07] the federal government we'd be in prison [01:26:10] Now, I've already been in prison. I [01:26:11] didn't even do anything wrong. [01:26:13] We'll never be so evil, so completely [01:26:16] and cheerfully, [01:26:18] especially when we believe we're doing [01:26:20] the right thing by minorities. But this [01:26:21] isn't even about that. These are not [01:26:22] minorityowned businesses or contracts. [01:26:25] This is Accenture and McKenzie making [01:26:27] money. Please go to this graph. This is [01:26:29] ATI's transactions over time. 145.4 [01:26:33] million. [01:26:36] And that has just been suspended per the [01:26:37] SBA. So, with that, that's a wrap on the [01:26:41] prices of my life live from West Palm [01:26:44] Beach, Florida. [01:26:46] Um, that's all I have to say about that. [01:26:48] And we're about to publish this video [01:26:50] right now on all channels. Stay tuned. [01:26:53] We're going to keep the pressure on the [01:26:54] Department of Justice tomorrow. What [01:26:56] time we going? 1:00 or noon tomorrow, [01:26:58] team. What time we going tomorrow? 100 [01:27:01] p.m. Eastern time tomorrow. We all want [01:27:04] you to tune in. 1:00 p.m. Eastern time [01:27:06] as we confront these employees at ATI [01:27:10] and I take off my wig and I tell them [01:27:12] who I am. I say I'm James O'Keefe and [01:27:15] you've been caught on tape and we get [01:27:18] their reaction live in a parking lot in [01:27:21] Frederick's Maryland. We're going to [01:27:23] bring that to you. Until then, see you [01:27:27] tomorrow. Thank you. [01:27:28] >> So the new contact is basically close to [01:27:30] 100. What's the percentage that AGI will [01:27:34] retain from that 100 million? [01:27:36] >> 65 for us being the prime and then 35. [01:27:40] >> So 65 million. [01:27:42] >> Yeah. [01:27:43] >> That's a good deal right there. [01:27:44] >> We posed as head hunters looking to hire [01:27:47] someone who could get us government [01:27:50] money contracts with the IRS. [01:27:52] >> And you pay these like asentures to do [01:27:55] the job. And so it's really minimum [01:27:58] work. [01:28:00] That's that's really in reality what's [01:28:03] happening. I'm not talking about my [01:28:05] firm, but yeah, [01:28:06] >> it appears as though these companies are [01:28:08] just shell companies, just passroughs. [01:28:11] >> Sounds like you're pass [01:28:19] unless Elon comes in and changes changes [01:28:22] the changes the law to take out the [01:28:25] the pastor, so to speak. I don't think [01:28:28] they'll dare to touch the the native, [01:28:32] you know, Americans, the native Indian. [01:28:34] >> They're not going to touch the Native [01:28:35] American layer of protection. And most [01:28:39] people don't even know your ATI name, [01:28:41] >> but they make they make they make good [01:28:43] money. [01:28:44] >> They make great money. I mean, you fly [01:28:46] under the radar and you take 65%. [01:28:49] Nobody even knows your name. [01:28:52] >> Nice work. [01:28:54] Hey, God bless America. And that's [01:28:58] here's the flying under the radar, [01:28:59] right? [01:29:09] >> My name is James O'Keefe. [01:29:13] >> Turn that off. [01:29:20] >> God bless. [01:29:20] >> Cheers. Up there's America. Yeah, baby. [01:29:23] >> In our previous expose on ATI government [01:29:26] solutions, a technology contractor, we [01:29:28] uncovered them claiming 8A Native [01:29:31] Americanowned small business status [01:29:33] while being entirely operated by [01:29:34] Caucasian DC executives with Fermage [01:29:37] Crutchfield as the CEO and his wife [01:29:40] Olympic swimmer Marina Mulva as CFO. his [01:29:44] business partner Scott Deutschman as co [01:29:46] and the Susanville Indian rancheria [01:29:49] seemingly playing no role at all other [01:29:51] than to appear as 51% owners but only on [01:29:56] paper. They're raking in hundreds of [01:29:58] millions of taxpayer dollars in federal [01:30:00] contracts outsourcing 80% of the labor [01:30:02] to subcontractors well above the legal [01:30:04] limit of 50% essentially serving as a [01:30:07] pass through company. We actually hear [01:30:08] the words pass through in these [01:30:10] undercover recordings stated by multiple [01:30:12] employees. [01:30:13] >> And and I tell you, passroughs are a [01:30:15] great thing as well. [01:30:16] >> Yeah. [01:30:17] >> And according to Cassisses versus United [01:30:20] States, well, they may be committing [01:30:22] wire fraud, conspiracy for fraudulent [01:30:24] inducement. And within a couple hours of [01:30:26] releasing that video on Monday, the [01:30:28] administrator of the Small Business [01:30:29] Administration, Kelly Laughafler, [01:30:31] announced that the SBA will officially [01:30:33] be conducting an investigation into ATI [01:30:36] government solutions. and the Susanville [01:30:38] Indian Rancheria and that there is a [01:30:40] full review underway for the entire 8A [01:30:42] program acknowledging billions of [01:30:44] dollars in federal contracts have been [01:30:46] run through shell companies, passroughs, [01:30:47] and other illegal schemes. Maybe we'll [01:30:50] finally see some of that accountability [01:30:52] that you've all been hoping for. As we [01:30:54] released the piece, I noticed hundreds [01:30:56] of comments from people that have had [01:30:57] their own personal experience with these [01:30:59] schemes. Kelly Laughler encourages [01:31:01] whistleblowers to reach out and report [01:31:03] shut schemes to the SBA complaints and [01:31:05] submission form at sbax.sba.govcss. [01:31:11] Now we introduce you to the next [01:31:13] individual at API we caught on tape [01:31:16] introducing senior director Anish [01:31:18] Abraham. [01:31:19] >> So my the company that I work for is API [01:31:22] government solutions and the title is [01:31:24] senior director and I do the program and [01:31:27] portfolio management of that. Anish [01:31:29] thinks he's at a job interview right now [01:31:31] for the position of technical director [01:31:33] of procurement at a salary of $400,000 a [01:31:36] year with our fictitious company Sev [01:31:38] Zero Solutions. We created a website for [01:31:40] the fake company and reached out to [01:31:42] employees of ATI with a very lucrative [01:31:45] job offer. We're here in Jupiter, [01:31:47] Florida outside the Thousand North [01:31:49] restaurant owned by Michael Jordan. Now [01:31:51] is inside this restaurant in the bar [01:31:53] area that Anish Abraham met with me and [01:31:56] my undercover reporter. We posed as head [01:31:59] hunters looking to hire someone who [01:32:01] could get us government money contracts [01:32:04] with the IRS. Anish Abraham has told us [01:32:07] he's worked for ATI for over two years [01:32:10] procuring a $100 million contract with [01:32:12] the IRS. [01:32:13] >> So the new contract that we uh signed up [01:32:17] for or we even proposal for is basically [01:32:21] close to 100 million. [01:32:23] >> That one contract with the IRS is 100 [01:32:26] million. [01:32:26] >> Yeah. [01:32:28] Yeah, we have the prime on that but uh [01:32:31] accenture will do the sub [01:32:33] in a case like that is the percentage [01:32:35] that ATI will will retain from that 100 [01:32:38] million [01:32:39] >> 65 approximately 65 35 that's that's [01:32:43] >> 35% for you [01:32:45] >> no 65 for us being the prime and then 35 [01:32:50] >> 65% revenue [01:32:53] >> and a $100 million contract [01:32:55] >> then you just manage this asententral [01:32:57] people and you really sit back and you [01:32:58] don't do the job. [01:32:59] >> Yeah. Yeah. [01:33:00] >> 65% of the money, [01:33:03] >> right? They're doing most They're doing [01:33:04] the work% [01:33:05] >> of the money. [01:33:06] >> Yes. For the total contract. [01:33:08] >> 65 million. [01:33:10] >> Yeah. That's a good deal right there. [01:33:12] Now, the SBA regulations require that [01:33:15] the prime contractor ATI perform the [01:33:18] quote primary and vital contract [01:33:21] requirements and that the prime [01:33:22] contractor not be quote unusually [01:33:25] reliant on the subcontractors for their [01:33:27] expertise. Anish explained that for the [01:33:29] $100 million IRS contract, Accenture, a [01:33:33] large consulting firm with headquarters [01:33:35] in Ireland, will handle the lion share [01:33:37] of the labor while only receiving 35% of [01:33:40] the contract sum. Now, Asenture is not [01:33:42] an 8A minorityowned eligible company, [01:33:46] meaning that outsourcing more than 50% [01:33:48] of the contract to them is against the [01:33:50] law and potentially wire fraud. And [01:33:52] while Accenture is quote doing the work, [01:33:55] ATI is retaining 65% of the $100 million [01:34:00] for themselves. It appears as though [01:34:02] these companies are just shell [01:34:04] companies, just passroughs. But don't [01:34:07] take my word for it. Anish Abraham [01:34:09] confirms that these schemes are just [01:34:12] passroughs. [01:34:13] >> You pay these like asentures to do the [01:34:16] job and so it's really minimal work. [01:34:19] >> Exactly. [01:34:21] >> It's almost like you know it's almost [01:34:22] like you're a pastor. [01:34:25] That's right. [01:34:26] >> Yeah. Pass through. [01:34:30] >> Pass through. [01:34:31] >> I'm a minority and I'm a woman. So [01:34:33] that's also that's a plus. I can be just [01:34:36] a pass through company like ATI. [01:34:41] >> That's what [01:34:43] honestly that's [01:34:45] >> that's really in reality that's what's [01:34:46] happening. [01:34:47] >> That's what's happening in reality. [01:34:49] Okay. [01:34:50] >> I'm not talking about my firm but yeah [01:34:52] >> as we explained previously a pass [01:34:55] through scheme involves a contracting [01:34:58] company in this case ATI obtaining [01:35:00] government contracts that are intended [01:35:02] to go to disadvantaged or minority owned [01:35:04] small businesses. also known as AA. In [01:35:06] reality, they outsource the work and a [01:35:09] small portion of the compensation to [01:35:10] subcontractors that would otherwise be [01:35:13] ineligible. Anish goes on to claim ATI [01:35:16] doesn't do much business at all out of [01:35:18] their office space and that ATI merely [01:35:20] rents office space when they need to [01:35:22] impress a client with a meeting. [01:35:24] >> Do you have really an office, do you? [01:35:27] >> So, so you don't have to do office [01:35:29] businesses. Don't spend the rents, all [01:35:30] that. So all those operational costs [01:35:33] already been turned out renting as [01:35:35] renting a space for a short duration. [01:35:38] That's what we do. And then you know [01:35:40] suppose they want a client meeting or [01:35:41] something. [01:35:41] >> Oh yeah. [01:35:42] >> Now you you have the cost when you [01:35:44] travel. [01:35:46] >> Yeah. But you're just traveling to go [01:35:48] and appease the client, right? You're [01:35:50] just like [01:35:53] >> a company but yeah [01:35:56] basically company that is uh they have [01:35:59] the minority status. So the government [01:36:01] has to give it to them and now they will [01:36:04] they will have to run it [01:36:06] what gets done. [01:36:08] >> Anish even acknowledges that the native [01:36:09] owned status is like a layer of [01:36:11] protection against doge cuts. That's [01:36:13] department of government efficiency. [01:36:15] Anish claims quote I don't think they [01:36:17] doge will dare to touch the native [01:36:19] Americans unquote. [01:36:20] >> They don't have to have an overhead in [01:36:22] office. Everybody's remote and you pay [01:36:26] these like asentures to do the job. And [01:36:29] so it's really minimum work. [01:36:31] >> Exactly. [01:36:33] >> Unless Elon comes in and changes changes [01:36:36] the group, changes the law, changes, I [01:36:38] don't think that will happen to take out [01:36:40] the middleman, to take out the um, you [01:36:43] know, the the pastor, so to speak. I [01:36:46] don't think they'll dare to touch the [01:36:48] the the [01:36:50] native, [01:36:52] you know, Americans, the native Indian. [01:36:55] >> I don't think that [01:36:55] >> they're not going to touch the Native [01:36:56] Americans. No, it's a layer of [01:36:58] protection. [01:36:59] >> We secured a second meeting with Melain [01:37:01] Cromwell and Cromwell informed us that [01:37:04] she had recently been let go from ATI [01:37:06] and has been focusing on her catering [01:37:08] business, Raen Kinjun full-time, which [01:37:11] we wish her the best of luck with. In [01:37:13] her time away from ATI, Cromwell [01:37:15] developed some new perspectives on ATI's [01:37:18] alleged pass through operations, which [01:37:20] she shared with me. [01:37:21] >> You can't be just a pass through [01:37:24] account, [01:37:25] right? Even though you can't, although [01:37:28] there's some that do do it, you don't do [01:37:31] it on a large scale, right? I mean, I [01:37:34] forget the government clause, but it [01:37:35] says you can't just be a pastor. When I [01:37:37] was a context supervisor for John [01:37:39] Hopkins and uh Laurel, there were awards [01:37:43] we would win where I would realize some [01:37:45] were just a pastor and we'd have to turn [01:37:47] them down. [01:37:48] >> Yeah. Because we can get in, you know, [01:37:50] trouble for that. you know, we we we put [01:37:54] the bid in as if we're going to be doing [01:37:55] all of this and it's mostly the son who [01:37:57] has the experience and we can't you [01:37:58] can't do that. When you're small and [01:38:01] you're doing that and you know you're [01:38:02] not, that's going to come back at you in [01:38:05] a bad way. Main also revealed that ATI [01:38:08] will sometimes have their subcontractors [01:38:10] start working on a contract before the [01:38:12] official start date commences that was [01:38:14] approved by the government when the [01:38:16] contract was awarded. when they ran into [01:38:18] issues with trying to quote backdate the [01:38:20] money unquote if Meain raised concerns [01:38:23] or refused to comply. Well, chief [01:38:25] financial officer Marina Moyva [01:38:28] Crutchfield's wife would send a stop [01:38:30] work order on Meain's behalf, [01:38:32] potentially incriminating her if ATI [01:38:35] were to be audited. Once you know you're [01:38:37] going to win something, you just start [01:38:39] working. [01:38:41] >> And let's say the government doesn't [01:38:44] start the awards not until tomorrow, but [01:38:47] because you want to get a head start, [01:38:48] you got your subs already starting to [01:38:50] start. Got it. [01:38:51] >> When the government cuts you a check to [01:38:53] pay your subs, you can't back date the [01:38:55] money because I know when the government [01:38:58] comes to audit and they say they awarded [01:39:00] it on June 17th and your sub started [01:39:03] back on June 2nd, [01:39:06] They don't pay you from June 2nd to the [01:39:08] 17th. But if you call me and say, "Hey, [01:39:11] Milan, [01:39:14] send a stop work order to such and such [01:39:16] company [01:39:17] because we can't have them working [01:39:19] anymore." I'm going to say, "Okay, but [01:39:21] first I'm going to go look at the [01:39:22] contract. And if I have a contract in my [01:39:24] file that's not signed, why are they [01:39:27] working? Who told them to even start?" [01:39:31] Right? [01:39:32] >> So, those are the questions I'm asking. [01:39:34] I'm like, Marina, okay, I don't mind [01:39:36] sending us work marina, but where is our [01:39:37] executed agreement with this company [01:39:40] that authorized them to start work in [01:39:41] the first place? [01:39:43] That's the question that I'm asking. [01:39:45] There was an occasion during the stop [01:39:47] work time. [01:39:49] Well, Marina would send a letter on my [01:39:51] behalf. [01:39:54] On my behalf. So, whose name is at the [01:39:55] bottom? [01:39:57] >> Yep. We also secured a third meeting [01:39:59] with Meline where we removed the wigs [01:40:01] and revealed to her that we were [01:40:03] undercover journalists investigating [01:40:05] ATI. Now Meline Cromwell didn't run away [01:40:08] or attack me personally or called the [01:40:10] police as usually individuals do when we [01:40:12] catch them on video. Cromwell did [01:40:15] however claim that everything she said [01:40:16] to our hidden cameras was merely her [01:40:19] opinion and that it shouldn't be taken [01:40:21] as factually accurate about ATI. We [01:40:25] challenged her on this considering all [01:40:26] the statements she gave us contained [01:40:29] hard percentages, specific mathematical [01:40:32] figures. You be the judge for yourself [01:40:35] when you watch her and listen to her as [01:40:38] director of contracts. The full meeting [01:40:40] with Melain Cromwell goes live tomorrow [01:40:42] once again on our show by Price is my [01:40:45] life. So, we have some news for you [01:40:48] here. Okay, we're actually investigative [01:40:50] reporters. My name is James O'Keefe. I'm [01:40:53] an invest I'm an investigative reporter [01:40:56] and you you're on about [01:40:59] >> Okay, we can we can but but [01:41:02] >> continuing our interaction with Anish, [01:41:05] Anish reveals that he draws an ample [01:41:07] salary for his work which he [01:41:08] acknowledges is basically overseeing and [01:41:10] managing the labor that is done by [01:41:12] subcontractors like Accenture and that [01:41:14] his supervisors earn more than top [01:41:16] neurosurgeons. This is your taxpayer [01:41:19] dollars they're talking about here. What [01:41:22] are you currently curing? [01:41:24] >> If you look at everything, [01:41:26] >> I would be making up three. [01:41:31] >> Okay. Who's your direct supervisor? [01:41:34] >> So my direct service is Wun Warra. Wun. [01:41:38] >> You should be making a little maybe a [01:41:40] little over not much. So we, you know, [01:41:43] we've gotten, you know, seven figures, [01:41:46] you know, from our companies. [01:41:47] >> From those companies. [01:41:49] >> Yeah. [01:41:49] >> That's awesome. [01:41:50] >> Yeah. Well, and then our other [01:41:51] construction companies and you know, so [01:41:53] we get okay returns, I guess. [01:41:55] >> That's pretty good. Seven figures is [01:41:57] good. [01:41:58] >> Yeah, [01:41:58] >> it's a good return for not doing [01:41:59] anything. [01:42:00] >> Just let in your name. [01:42:02] >> Well, yes. All that money flows from [01:42:05] multiple government agencies and [01:42:07] departments to the alleged crutchfield [01:42:09] corporate facade. Companies that claim [01:42:11] to be Native Americanowned, outsource [01:42:13] most of their work, offer extremely [01:42:15] generous compensation to their [01:42:17] executives to the tune of $350,000 a [01:42:20] year, and have barely any physical [01:42:22] footprint. I would guess that 99.9% [01:42:25] of you, the audience, have never heard [01:42:27] of any of this, have never seen any of [01:42:28] this. Man, most people don't even know [01:42:31] your ATI name. But they make they make [01:42:34] they make good money there. They make [01:42:36] great money. I mean, you fly under the [01:42:38] radar and you take 65%. [01:42:41] Ain't nobody even know today. [01:42:44] >> Nice work. [01:42:46] >> Cheers. [01:42:47] >> Hey, God bless America. And that's [01:42:50] here's the flying under the radar, [01:42:52] right? [01:42:54] >> Taking the money in, subcontracting much [01:42:57] of the work out. These government [01:43:00] contractors like ATI taking advantage of [01:43:02] their special minorityowned status to [01:43:05] get the contracts, get the money, act as [01:43:08] a pass through. And it's the taxpayer [01:43:11] who gets screwed over. You don't want [01:43:13] every You don't want to be on the front [01:43:14] page of the New York Times. I mean, [01:43:18] >> we don't want that. [01:43:19] >> You ever deal with the media? [01:43:21] >> We don't want that, right? [01:43:22] >> Crazy people like the rightwing James [01:43:25] O'Keefe dude, you know? [01:43:27] >> No, we don't want that. trying to trying [01:43:29] to find out how much money they're [01:43:31] getting. We don't want to deal with [01:43:32] that. [01:43:33] >> Now, stay tuned again for tomorrow when [01:43:37] we break the interaction that I had with [01:43:40] Melain when I take off my wig and reveal [01:43:42] who we are and what we're about. One of [01:43:44] the most extraordinary things I've ever [01:43:46] seen in my career. And that's saying [01:43:48] something. You won't want to miss this [01:43:49] tomorrow live on My Price is My Life. [01:43:52] And if you're on the inside of these [01:43:54] institutions or any institution, [01:43:55] hopefully this reporting will encourage [01:43:58] other people on the inside to be brave [01:43:59] and tell the truth, not just into a [01:44:01] hidden camera at a restaurant to a [01:44:03] stranger, but to the American people [01:44:05] because we need people to be brave and [01:44:07] do something and step forward. If you [01:44:09] notice that corruption in the federal [01:44:10] government, please reach out to us at [01:44:12] tips atkeroup.com [01:44:15] or text us or signal us at 91491-9395. [01:44:20] That's 914-491-9395 [01:44:22] and one of my journalists will get back [01:44:25] right to you. This is a developing [01:44:26] story. Hopefully, people will be [01:44:29] arrested and this is the accountability [01:44:31] that you all seek. Stay tuned.