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[00:00:00] Take a look at some video. And we could
[00:00:02] have pulled all kinds of pieces of
[00:00:04] video, but here's just one. This is from
[00:00:06] Sunday night. And it gives you a sense
[00:00:08] of what the city of Minneapolis looks
[00:00:11] like. Now,
[00:00:14] this again, uh, is real. Um, and it is
[00:00:18] just a flavor of what's happening there
[00:00:19] right now. Watch.
[00:00:41] [ __ ] you.
[00:00:45] >> [ __ ] you.
[00:00:51] Move up. Move up.
[00:00:54] >> All right, watch this. We're coming in.
[00:00:58] Cleared.
[00:00:59] >> It's turning into a chaotic scene.
[00:01:08] So, what you're looking at, what you
[00:01:09] just saw in that tape is a group of
[00:01:11] federal agents, immigration officers,
[00:01:14] ICE agents employed by the federal
[00:01:16] government, stuck in a hotel in
[00:01:19] Minneapolis, surrounded by what we're
[00:01:23] calling protesters,
[00:01:25] people who want to hurt them or
[00:01:26] screaming them, and they can't get out
[00:01:29] because there's no one to call. Um, the
[00:01:32] local police refuse to come to their aid
[00:01:35] and
[00:01:36] they can't move. Meanwhile, people are
[00:01:39] breaking windows and stealing and
[00:01:41] spraying graffiti.
[00:01:44] It's chaos. And this is in an American
[00:01:47] city.
[00:01:48] So, if you've been experiencing the
[00:01:51] controversy over ICE through a couple of
[00:01:53] clips to American citizens being shot to
[00:01:56] death by ICE agents and you think that
[00:01:58] that's the entire story, you should know
[00:02:00] it's just part of it. What you're
[00:02:03] watching here is an unraveling
[00:02:06] of a city and potentially of a nation.
[00:02:10] And what's happening is much bigger uh
[00:02:13] than you may understand. It's certainly
[00:02:15] much more complicated, but its net
[00:02:17] effect is not complicated at all. We are
[00:02:19] watching the destruction of the social
[00:02:23] fabric, of the government, and
[00:02:26] potentially of the nation. And so this
[00:02:30] is one of the more serious moments in
[00:02:32] our lifetime. um and what we do next,
[00:02:36] how the administration responds to this,
[00:02:38] how local officials, uh state officials
[00:02:40] in Minnesota respond to it will
[00:02:42] determine um the course going forward.
[00:02:45] So, the first thing to be totally clear
[00:02:48] on is that that series of images, that
[00:02:52] video you just saw, represents the worst
[00:02:55] possible outcome. It represents chaos.
[00:02:58] Most Americans have never seen chaos
[00:03:00] before up close. They therefore lack an
[00:03:04] appreciation of its dangers. But to be
[00:03:07] clear, chaos is the worst thing. Chaos
[00:03:10] is worse than illegal immigration. Chaos
[00:03:12] is worse than police brutality. Chaos is
[00:03:16] worse than anything. Chaos equals death.
[00:03:20] The death of people, the death of the
[00:03:22] weak, the death of countries. Chaos is
[00:03:25] also a dynamic force. It is a spiritual
[00:03:29] force. Of course, God created order out
[00:03:31] of chaos. Chaos is the realm of Satan,
[00:03:35] but it is something that either expands
[00:03:37] or contracts. It never stays the same.
[00:03:40] And so, left untreated, chaos is very
[00:03:43] much like melanoma. In the early stages,
[00:03:45] you can handle it. If you don't excise
[00:03:49] it, however, it becomes fatal. And chaos
[00:03:52] in this country is approaching our lymph
[00:03:54] nodes.
[00:03:56] So, the question we're going to consider
[00:03:57] over the next several minutes is why is
[00:04:00] this happening and what do we do about
[00:04:03] it? But you should know that of all the
[00:04:06] debates going on about immigration and
[00:04:08] who's in charge of this or that, the
[00:04:11] only real debate that matters right now
[00:04:13] is will this chaos grow and get worse
[00:04:17] and consume us all or will it not? So
[00:04:22] first the question of what to do about
[00:04:25] it. The Trump administration for you
[00:04:29] know whatever mistakes it has made up to
[00:04:32] now uh understands very well that this
[00:04:36] is peril for the country. And so the
[00:04:40] Trump administration has reached out to
[00:04:43] officials in Minnesota, the governor,
[00:04:45] the lieutenant governor, the chief of
[00:04:47] police, the mayor, Jacob Fry of
[00:04:49] Minneapolis, and made the following
[00:04:51] offer. They haven't done this publicly,
[00:04:53] but they have done this. There are four
[00:04:55] points to this. Here's what they are.
[00:04:57] Number one, state officials in Minnesota
[00:05:00] agree that ICE agents, federal agents on
[00:05:03] the scene, will have police protection
[00:05:06] when they call. Currently, if an ICE
[00:05:08] agent calls in Minneapolis and says,
[00:05:10] "Say, I'm surrounded by people trying to
[00:05:12] kill me." The local police will not
[00:05:14] respond. That happened the other night
[00:05:15] in a restaurant in Minneapolis. ICE
[00:05:17] agents stuck in the restaurant. Couldn't
[00:05:19] get out. Had to lock the doors. They
[00:05:20] were going to get killed if they went
[00:05:22] outside. Call the local police. No
[00:05:24] response at all. Why is that? Because
[00:05:25] the local police have been instructed by
[00:05:27] the mayor and the governor and probably
[00:05:30] the lieutenant governor as well, do not
[00:05:31] respond. So, American citizens in
[00:05:34] Minneapolis, if they work for the
[00:05:37] federal government and carry a badge, if
[00:05:38] they are agents of Donald Trump, do not
[00:05:41] have police protection. Number one, you
[00:05:42] have to stop that. You have to respond
[00:05:45] to 911 calls from federal officers.
[00:05:47] Number two, you have to do your best to
[00:05:49] protect them when they're off duty. You
[00:05:51] just saw it in the video we played. ICE
[00:05:53] officers stuck in a hotel surrounded by
[00:05:55] a screaming mob. No one will come to the
[00:05:57] Red. You can't do that anymore. Number
[00:06:00] three, jails.
[00:06:02] in Minnesota have to respond to federal
[00:06:06] requests for deportation. If you have a
[00:06:09] convicted murderer who's an illegal
[00:06:11] alien or a child molester who's an
[00:06:13] illegal alien, and there are a lot of
[00:06:14] them, you can look their names up on the
[00:06:15] internet and the feds ask, "Where is
[00:06:18] this guy?" You can't just ignore them.
[00:06:21] You have to participate
[00:06:23] in federal law enforcement actions to
[00:06:25] that extent. You don't have to deport
[00:06:27] them yourself, but you have to tell us
[00:06:29] where they are. And in exchange for
[00:06:32] those three things, the federal
[00:06:33] government will substantially withdraw
[00:06:36] federal law enforcement from Minneapolis
[00:06:39] and from the state of Minnesota.
[00:06:42] And at that point, crowd control,
[00:06:44] keeping riots from spinning completely
[00:06:46] out of control and burning down, say,
[00:06:49] your city, will be the job of local law
[00:06:52] enforcement. So, just to restate, these
[00:06:54] are the four points. Number one, you
[00:06:56] have to answer 911 calls from federal
[00:06:58] agents. Number two, you have to do your
[00:06:59] best to keep them from getting killed
[00:07:01] when they're off duty. Number three, the
[00:07:03] jails have to tell us where the rapists
[00:07:04] are. And number four, if you do that,
[00:07:07] we'll basically pull back
[00:07:10] and allow you to keep the situation from
[00:07:13] spinning out of control on your own. And
[00:07:16] some federal law enforcement will remain
[00:07:18] to protect federal assets. The federal
[00:07:20] courthouse, for example, can't burn that
[00:07:22] down. And that's the job of the feds to
[00:07:24] protect it.
[00:07:26] That happened. And the response from
[00:07:29] officials in Minnesota was, "No, we're
[00:07:32] not doing that." So, at that point, you
[00:07:35] have to ask yourself, well, why
[00:07:37] why would a state refuse to protect
[00:07:40] American citizens from murder, refuse to
[00:07:43] give the names or whereabouts of
[00:07:46] murderers and child molesters, and
[00:07:48] refuse to use its own cops to keep riots
[00:07:51] under control? What could possibly be
[00:07:54] the answer?
[00:07:56] because they want riots. That's why.
[00:07:59] Because they want the chaos.
[00:08:02] And this proves to you, if you're
[00:08:04] following this at home and trying to
[00:08:05] make sense of it all, where did this
[00:08:06] come from? Why did I shoot these people?
[00:08:09] This is proof that what you're watching
[00:08:12] is not a series of protests about
[00:08:15] immigration. What you're watching are
[00:08:17] the beginnings of a color revolution, of
[00:08:20] a kind of insurrection against federal
[00:08:23] authority. And what you have to ask
[00:08:25] yourself, even if you disapprove of the
[00:08:28] Trump administration, even if you have,
[00:08:30] you know, some commitment to keeping
[00:08:31] illegal aliens here, is do you want
[00:08:34] that? Can you live with that? Can you
[00:08:37] live in a country of 50 states
[00:08:41] that don't agree on what the federal law
[00:08:43] should be and that allow Americans to
[00:08:47] get murdered in their cities because
[00:08:50] they have the wrong politics or they
[00:08:51] work for a politician they disapprove
[00:08:53] of?
[00:08:55] And if you are okay with that, have you
[00:08:56] thought through its implications?
[00:08:59] And the number one implication is the
[00:09:01] country will fall apart. That's civil
[00:09:03] war. It's the definition of it. You have
[00:09:07] regions and internal governments, states
[00:09:10] that don't recognize federal authority,
[00:09:12] the authority of a government over them
[00:09:14] all, of Washington.
[00:09:17] And at that point,
[00:09:19] what you have is waring nations within
[00:09:22] the same borders. And then you have
[00:09:25] widespread violence, then you have
[00:09:28] killing at scale, then you have civil
[00:09:30] war.
[00:09:32] And it's sort of depressing even to say
[00:09:34] that out loud. And you certainly don't
[00:09:35] want to encourage radical thinking by
[00:09:37] saying that. In other words, you don't
[00:09:39] want to kind of talk civil war into
[00:09:41] existence because there's nothing worse
[00:09:43] than civil war. Nothing more brutal
[00:09:47] because the stakes are the highest
[00:09:48] possible. Someone has to win and the
[00:09:51] other side has to give up completely.
[00:09:53] There has to be total surrender and
[00:09:55] total victory. And on the way to that,
[00:09:56] there's no accommodation in a civil war.
[00:09:59] One side has to completely dominate the
[00:10:01] other. And a lot of people get killed in
[00:10:04] that.
[00:10:05] Do you want that? And of course, no
[00:10:08] decent person wants that. Not for a
[00:10:10] second.
[00:10:12] And so, how do you stop it?
[00:10:15] Well, we're going to discuss the
[00:10:16] options. But before we do, you should
[00:10:19] know that what you're watching
[00:10:22] is clearly
[00:10:24] provably
[00:10:26] an organized attempt to get us there to
[00:10:30] provoke chaos by elected officials.
[00:10:34] And it's hard to see that at first
[00:10:36] because the video that you see, all the
[00:10:38] videos you see are of the participants
[00:10:40] of the foot soldiers in this. This is
[00:10:43] one of those conflicts that people
[00:10:44] experience on social media. So, by
[00:10:46] definition, it's mostly limited to 30
[00:10:48] secondond out of context clips. And what
[00:10:49] you see, and both sides see this, the
[00:10:51] left and the right, Trump voters and
[00:10:54] Trump haters all see their version of
[00:10:56] the conflict. And it's almost always
[00:10:59] limited to the people who are actually
[00:11:00] in the streets participating. So, you
[00:11:02] have the ICE officers either hurting
[00:11:04] someone or getting hurt. Then you have
[00:11:06] the protesters
[00:11:08] doing what they do, which is get mad and
[00:11:11] hurt, destroy,
[00:11:13] stand in the way of things.
[00:11:17] But what you don't see are the forces
[00:11:19] that are directing both of those sides.
[00:11:23] And it's important to remember from the
[00:11:25] beginning to the end that your
[00:11:27] perceptions as an American are being
[00:11:29] manipulated on purpose clearly
[00:11:34] by a whole bunch of interested parties.
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[00:12:49] get your edge back. So, if you're on the
[00:12:52] right and anti- chaos, it's very easy to
[00:12:54] focus
[00:12:56] on the Antifa elements of this and
[00:12:59] they're there. People shooting videos of
[00:13:02] themselves in their car saying, "This is
[00:13:04] war.
[00:13:05] We have to KILL THE OTHER SIDE."
[00:13:09] And that's designed to scare you, of
[00:13:11] course, but it's also easy to lose sight
[00:13:14] of what you're looking at. If you
[00:13:15] actually look at the Antifa participants
[00:13:19] in all of this,
[00:13:22] what do you see?
[00:13:24] You see sad people, screwed up people.
[00:13:28] You ever seen mug shots of Antifa?
[00:13:32] I mean, they're all kind of pasty and
[00:13:35] lumpy and transvestites. They look drug
[00:13:38] addicted. They've got tattoos on their
[00:13:40] faces. It's not an attack on them at
[00:13:42] all.
[00:13:44] It's merely an acknowledgment that these
[00:13:46] are not life's winners. These are people
[00:13:48] who a 100 years ago would probably
[00:13:50] middle class Americans engaged in the
[00:13:52] workforce and married and doing
[00:13:53] something. for a bunch of different
[00:13:54] reasons. This is what we have now, which
[00:13:56] is a lot of extremely frustrated young
[00:14:00] people who are not physically or
[00:14:01] psychologically healthy at all, who are
[00:14:03] spiritually dead, and who have been
[00:14:07] brainwashed, hypnotized, convinced
[00:14:09] somehow
[00:14:11] to give their lives up in the service of
[00:14:13] what? Destroying things.
[00:14:16] What you have very obviously is a
[00:14:18] spiritual problem. And these are
[00:14:21] perpetrators, but they're also victims.
[00:14:22] And it's so important to remember that
[00:14:25] you should feel horror and fear. These
[00:14:27] are people to be afraid of. They're
[00:14:28] genuine extremists. They would kill you
[00:14:30] for sure,
[00:14:32] but they're also your fellow Americans
[00:14:35] who are themselves dying in some true
[00:14:38] sense. It's sad what you're watching.
[00:14:40] It's sad. This is all downstream from
[00:14:43] decades of of cultural and political
[00:14:45] destruction. Of course, this is the sort
[00:14:47] of permanence of it or the last stop
[00:14:50] before the end.
[00:14:52] But try if you can to remember the
[00:14:56] humanity of everyone involved here,
[00:14:58] including the people doing really bad
[00:14:59] things,
[00:15:01] including, by the way, the the ICE
[00:15:02] officers who wound up in an impossible
[00:15:04] situation, maybe made a bad judgment.
[00:15:09] And the people on the other side, too.
[00:15:11] These are all Americans.
[00:15:13] What you should always keep in mind is
[00:15:16] that somebody is directing all of this.
[00:15:19] There are forces directing this. or
[00:15:20] forces, in other words, that profit from
[00:15:22] chaos, that seek chaos. And what forces
[00:15:25] would those be? Well, there are two.
[00:15:29] One is the outof power political class
[00:15:31] that wants power. That's why you abet
[00:15:34] chaos. That's why you have color
[00:15:35] revolutions. That's why people are shot
[00:15:37] in the square. They're literally killed
[00:15:40] in order for a group of people to assume
[00:15:42] power
[00:15:44] extra democratically. You create chaos
[00:15:48] because you want to tear down the
[00:15:49] current system and assume control of the
[00:15:52] new system. It's the Bolshevik model,
[00:15:54] but it's much older than that.
[00:15:58] And this is always true. Every
[00:15:59] revolutionary movement
[00:16:02] spends almost no time trying to convince
[00:16:05] voters to adopt their program and
[00:16:08] instead tries to destroy the entire
[00:16:10] system to make voting itself pointless
[00:16:13] or illegitimate. to make the machinery
[00:16:15] of the old system broken to the point
[00:16:18] where it can't be used anymore so that a
[00:16:21] new system can be built that they run.
[00:16:23] Okay, so there's that. But there are
[00:16:26] also other forces and one of them would
[00:16:28] be let's just say federal agencies
[00:16:32] including and especially the agencies
[00:16:35] with guns
[00:16:37] who understand that the more chaos there
[00:16:39] is the more control they have. And this
[00:16:41] is not alleging a conspiracy. It's
[00:16:43] merely noting human nature and the
[00:16:45] nature of organizations. Organizations
[00:16:48] by definition exist for their own
[00:16:52] enlargement
[00:16:54] to acrue power to themselves. That's the
[00:16:56] real reason all human organizations from
[00:16:58] the church bake sale committee to the
[00:17:00] CIA. That's the real reason they exist
[00:17:02] because that's how people are. People
[00:17:04] get together, they have a mission, but
[00:17:06] the real mission is to bring to
[00:17:09] themselves more power and control. So if
[00:17:10] you're
[00:17:13] an American law enforcement agency or
[00:17:17] intelligence gathering agency,
[00:17:20] chaos is an opportunity for you to get
[00:17:23] more power. So those are the two groups
[00:17:27] fundamentally who are benefiting from
[00:17:29] the chaos. The rest of us are not only
[00:17:32] not benefiting, we are watching all the
[00:17:35] good things that we have on the brink of
[00:17:38] being eliminated.
[00:17:40] So, let's start with the first group
[00:17:43] that benefits from this destruction
[00:17:47] from what could be a much larger and
[00:17:50] much more destructive version of the
[00:17:52] 2020 George Floyd riots,
[00:17:55] which really helped no American
[00:17:58] whatsoever. So, it didn't help black
[00:17:59] people, but made these same groups much
[00:18:02] more powerful. Who are these people now?
[00:18:05] Well, first among them is the governor
[00:18:09] of Minnesota, Tim Walls, the man who ran
[00:18:11] for vice president a year and a half
[00:18:13] ago. This is a guy who is in the middle
[00:18:17] of the biggest political scandal in a
[00:18:19] state's history. It's the Somali welfare
[00:18:23] scam
[00:18:25] that has just been exposed. And a month
[00:18:28] ago, Tim Walls was in disgrace. And now
[00:18:32] Tim Walls is the leader of the
[00:18:34] insurrection against the orange man. So
[00:18:36] you can see already the benefit is
[00:18:37] there. So it probably shouldn't surprise
[00:18:39] you that Tim Walls is on television and
[00:18:43] social media constantly
[00:18:45] encouraging the kind of violence that
[00:18:48] you've been watching on Instagram.
[00:18:49] Here's one example. Tim Walls.
[00:18:52] >> We have got children in Minnesota
[00:18:56] hiding in their houses afraid to go
[00:18:58] outside.
[00:19:00] Many of us grew up reading that story of
[00:19:01] Anne Frank.
[00:19:04] >> Somebody's going to write that
[00:19:05] children's story about Minnesota.
[00:19:07] >> Someone's going to write that story
[00:19:09] about Minnesota. Now, he's referring to
[00:19:12] Anne Frank, of course, the little Jewish
[00:19:16] girl who was killed in a Nazi
[00:19:17] concentration camp after hiding for more
[00:19:19] than a year with her family in the
[00:19:21] secret al cove from the Nazis.
[00:19:24] It's a story that most American children
[00:19:27] uh are very familiar with.
[00:19:29] And it's the most terrifying possible
[00:19:31] thing you could ever say to a population
[00:19:34] that the president of the United States
[00:19:36] and his armed agents are going to kill
[00:19:38] you like they did Anne Frank.
[00:19:42] So the people I'm opposed to are not
[00:19:45] simply Nazis in some theoretical sense.
[00:19:48] They're coming here to round you and
[00:19:51] your children up and take them to a
[00:19:53] death camp. That's what the governor of
[00:19:56] Minnesota is saying in public in the
[00:19:59] middle of the most volatile rioting
[00:20:04] his state has seen maybe ever, maybe
[00:20:07] even more than what we saw 5 years ago,
[00:20:11] maybe even scarier than that. And here's
[00:20:12] the governor saying
[00:20:15] it's worse this time to the death camps.
[00:20:20] Why would you say something like that in
[00:20:22] order to calm things down? No. in order
[00:20:24] to jin up fear, which is of course the
[00:20:28] fastest way to control people by
[00:20:30] terrifying them,
[00:20:32] making them so afraid that they will
[00:20:34] believe anything you tell them. They
[00:20:36] will follow any command you give them.
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[00:22:09] So, just to be clear,
[00:22:11] two Americans were killed by ICE
[00:22:15] officers, and we can debate whether or
[00:22:17] not that was justified. It was sad, and
[00:22:19] everybody should admit it was sad and
[00:22:21] bad. It's always sad when Americans die.
[00:22:23] Period.
[00:22:26] But
[00:22:28] watching that, the deaths of those two
[00:22:30] people would make any normal person say,
[00:22:33] "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's
[00:22:35] cool this down." And by the way, to
[00:22:37] restate, to its great credit, the Trump
[00:22:40] administration has had that response and
[00:22:43] has gone to Tim Walls and said, "Whoa,
[00:22:45] let's cool this down." Tim Walls's
[00:22:47] response, no, because he's benefiting
[00:22:50] from it. That's why.
[00:22:52] And by the way, another point that I
[00:22:55] think should be clear to everybody at
[00:22:56] this moment,
[00:22:59] anyone in Washington still advocating
[00:23:02] for some new foreign war on behalf of a
[00:23:05] foreign power
[00:23:07] by definition doesn't care about this
[00:23:10] country.
[00:23:12] If you're still pushing the White House
[00:23:14] to launch a war on Iran and a regime
[00:23:18] change war later this month on Iran as
[00:23:21] your own country is devolving into
[00:23:23] chaos, then I don't think we need to
[00:23:24] guess about where your priorities are.
[00:23:26] You just don't care about the United
[00:23:28] States and what happens to it. Of
[00:23:29] course, we knew that this morning.
[00:23:31] Lindsey Graham is tweeting about the
[00:23:32] brave Kurds
[00:23:36] as the United States comes unraveled and
[00:23:39] Lindsey Graham's concern is about the
[00:23:40] Kurds. Now, at some point, we're going
[00:23:42] to have to think about how did Lindsey
[00:23:43] Graham and people like Lindsey Graham
[00:23:45] wind up running our Congress? How' they
[00:23:48] wind up with all of this authority? How
[00:23:49] did we ever put people like that in
[00:23:51] charge of us who in a moment of crisis
[00:23:54] are tweeting about the brave Kurds,
[00:23:56] whoever they are? But there still are,
[00:23:59] as of right now,
[00:24:02] people in Washington, Mark Levvin,
[00:24:07] and many others who are so indifferent
[00:24:10] to what happens to what is supposedly
[00:24:12] their country that they are still
[00:24:15] focused on some other neocon adventure
[00:24:18] in the Middle East
[00:24:20] on somebody else's behalf. It has
[00:24:22] nothing to do with this at all. Until
[00:24:24] this is solved, until the chaos is
[00:24:26] quelled, until there's some broad
[00:24:29] agreement on where we go next,
[00:24:33] we not only have no time for a new
[00:24:36] neocon war. That is destruction clearly.
[00:24:40] And by the way, it is in a moment like
[00:24:42] this that foreign powers looking at us
[00:24:44] sense weakness, vulnerability.
[00:24:47] Oh, you've got aircraft carriers in the
[00:24:49] Persian Gulf planning a new strike on
[00:24:51] the Ayatollah in Iran.
[00:24:54] Oh, gold is over $5,000 an ounce. Oo,
[00:24:57] looks like the dollar's in trouble. Now
[00:24:59] is the time to move. Weakness invites
[00:25:01] aggression and we are not in a strong
[00:25:03] place right now because our nation
[00:25:05] itself, the actual United States, the
[00:25:07] place that we supposedly care about
[00:25:08] most, is not in a strong place. It can
[00:25:11] be, we can fix this, but until we do,
[00:25:14] no. that anyone who's still talking
[00:25:16] about any of that nonsense, Gaza, Iran,
[00:25:20] should be called out immediately as
[00:25:23] someone who just doesn't care about
[00:25:24] Americans. But someone who really does
[00:25:27] care about what happens next, noted, is
[00:25:30] Tim Walls because he's benefiting from
[00:25:31] this. And the more protesters
[00:25:35] who are killed in Minnesota, the more
[00:25:37] powerful
[00:25:39] Tim Walls knows he will be.
[00:25:42] and the happier the people organizing
[00:25:44] this and paying for it will be because
[00:25:48] the point is not to push back against
[00:25:51] ICE overreach. The point is to tear it
[00:25:53] all down. That is absolutely the point.
[00:25:57] And thankfully, there is someone in
[00:25:59] Minnesota who's who's even less
[00:26:01] restrained and even more obvious about
[00:26:04] what's actually going on than Tim Walls,
[00:26:06] who's not a stealthy character. He has a
[00:26:08] lot of trouble hiding obvious facts
[00:26:09] about himself, in case you haven't
[00:26:11] watched him.
[00:26:13] But there is someone who's even worse or
[00:26:16] more revealing on camera, and that would
[00:26:18] be the Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota,
[00:26:20] Peggy Flanigan. Watch this. If you are
[00:26:24] sick and tired of your government being
[00:26:26] ransacked by Donald Trump and his
[00:26:28] minions, uh literally taking away health
[00:26:31] care from your neighbors, stealing food
[00:26:34] off of the table from seniors and
[00:26:36] children, and uh generally being uncool
[00:26:39] with the fact that our neighbors are
[00:26:41] being disappeared, P.S. without due
[00:26:43] process, it is just called kidnapping.
[00:26:46] Then show up and use your voice. put
[00:26:48] your body on the line and use nonviolent
[00:26:51] direct action, which is one of the most
[00:26:54] important tools in our toolbox to say,
[00:26:56] "I am not okay. I will not go silently
[00:27:00] into the night."
[00:27:01] >> So that's the Lieutenant Governor of
[00:27:04] Minnesota, Peggy Flanigan.
[00:27:07] Use your bodies. Put your bodies on the
[00:27:10] line. She is encouraging citizens in her
[00:27:13] state
[00:27:16] to risk their lives on behalf of folks
[00:27:19] and their neighbors. So who is she
[00:27:20] talking about? She's talking about
[00:27:22] people who have no legal or moral right
[00:27:24] to be here in the first place. She's
[00:27:27] talking about foreign nationals,
[00:27:28] citizens of other countries who are
[00:27:31] living off the large s of the federal
[00:27:34] and state governments here who are being
[00:27:36] supported by American taxpayers and in a
[00:27:39] lot of cases who've committed violent
[00:27:41] crimes, murder, sex crimes.
[00:27:44] This is not propaganda. These are facts.
[00:27:46] The Trump administration, whatever it's
[00:27:47] false, has come out and given you a list
[00:27:50] of these people, their names, what they
[00:27:52] did. That's who she's talked about.
[00:27:54] these folks, these neighbors, and she's
[00:27:55] saying you as a native born American
[00:27:57] should risk your life to protect them.
[00:28:01] And the scary thing is
[00:28:04] it's working. It's working. So what are
[00:28:07] we looking at? We're looking at the
[00:28:08] Biden administration in 4 years let in
[00:28:11] say 20 million people illegally from
[00:28:13] around the world.
[00:28:16] 20 million people whose identities they
[00:28:18] didn't know, whose identities they
[00:28:21] didn't want to know actually,
[00:28:24] and there's nothing you can do about it.
[00:28:26] Who are these people? We still don't
[00:28:28] know in a lot of cases. Here's a fact.
[00:28:31] Hasn't been reported.
[00:28:33] So 2021,
[00:28:35] we withdraw from Afghanistan after 20
[00:28:37] years. Biden famously screws it up and
[00:28:39] we lose Bram and US military personnel
[00:28:42] or suicide bomb die on the way out.
[00:28:45] Planes take off, people clinging to
[00:28:47] them. It's a disaster. No one's ever
[00:28:49] punished for it. The only person who's
[00:28:50] punished for it, of course, is Stu
[00:28:52] Sheller, the Marine Corps colonel, who
[00:28:53] complained about it. No one else is
[00:28:54] punished. It's fine, move on. But it
[00:28:57] produced, as these things always do, an
[00:28:59] awful lot of refugees.
[00:29:02] And some of them were legitimate, I
[00:29:05] guess, people who had helped the United
[00:29:06] States over 20 years in Afghanistan,
[00:29:09] interpreters, people who worked at the
[00:29:10] embassy, worked with US military, etc.,
[00:29:12] etc. Some of them weren't.
[00:29:14] But where did they go? Well, they didn't
[00:29:17] just all come to Bethesda, Maryland. A
[00:29:20] lot of them were moved to processing
[00:29:22] centers, camps in what they call the
[00:29:25] region. Some of them came to the Gulf.
[00:29:30] And all six countries in the Gulf, the
[00:29:32] Persian Gulf, the Sunni countries are
[00:29:34] allies of the United States. And so, one
[00:29:36] of those countries held a bunch of these
[00:29:37] people voluntarily as a favor to the
[00:29:39] United States, to the B administration.
[00:29:41] And they call, this is a fact. And they
[00:29:43] so they call up B administration. We got
[00:29:45] all these people and bring them to the
[00:29:46] United States and we're going to take
[00:29:48] biometrics on them to find out who they
[00:29:49] are. And there's some record of who they
[00:29:51] are. Biometrics.
[00:29:53] And the B administration says, "Oh, no,
[00:29:54] no, no. We don't want you to do that. Do
[00:29:57] not take biometrics of these people
[00:29:58] before sending to THE UNITED STATES."
[00:30:00] WHY would the B administration not want
[00:30:02] to know who these people were? Why no
[00:30:06] bio? That's a fact, by the way. But why'
[00:30:08] they do that?
[00:30:11] Unclear. unknown. Think about it for a
[00:30:13] second. That's not a good sign.
[00:30:16] That's not a government working on
[00:30:19] behalf of the interest of its own
[00:30:20] people. That's not a government trying
[00:30:21] to help its own country at all. That's
[00:30:23] the opposite. That's so reckless and
[00:30:25] crazy that you have to ask like, well,
[00:30:28] why did they do it? And again, the
[00:30:30] answer is unclear. We can only guess,
[00:30:31] but we know they did it.
[00:30:34] And they did some version of it with
[00:30:35] about 20 million people. So those people
[00:30:37] show up here. They're just here now.
[00:30:40] And the assumption has been well those
[00:30:42] people are
[00:30:44] at worst
[00:30:47] just new democratic voters and there's
[00:30:50] going to be a series of laws passed in
[00:30:52] the future that will allow them to vote.
[00:30:54] Their children will be born here. Of
[00:30:55] course, they're they're birthright
[00:30:56] citizens. They can vote and we're going
[00:30:57] to change the balance of the demographic
[00:30:59] balance of the country. So, we will
[00:31:01] always have power. That's always kind of
[00:31:03] been the darkest suspicion of what's
[00:31:05] happening. But that's not actually the
[00:31:06] darkest suspicion. You could think of a
[00:31:10] few more actually. Why would you do
[00:31:12] that?
[00:31:14] Makes you a little uncomfortable if you
[00:31:16] start to think about it. Why would you
[00:31:17] move people in?
[00:31:20] There's no record of who they are. No
[00:31:22] way to know who they are. You got to
[00:31:24] suspect some of them are bad people and
[00:31:25] some of them have turned out to be bad
[00:31:26] people. Like what are your plans going
[00:31:29] forward? 20 million really. But that's
[00:31:32] where we are. That's where we are. Let's
[00:31:34] hope that those suspicions prove to be
[00:31:36] false. Like what's the purpose of this?
[00:31:40] By the way, a lot of these people who
[00:31:42] grew up in war zones and have different
[00:31:44] feelings about violence than say your
[00:31:45] average suburban American does and a
[00:31:49] different willingness to to use violence
[00:31:50] than your average American does. Your
[00:31:52] average American's never seen violence,
[00:31:53] never seen chaos. Any case, that's where
[00:31:55] we are. And here you have Peggy Flanigan
[00:31:57] saying there's nothing the federal
[00:32:00] government can do, which includes not
[00:32:02] just the Trump administration, but like
[00:32:03] people in every other state,
[00:32:07] there's nothing they can do about it.
[00:32:09] And if they try to take a single one of
[00:32:13] these people out of the country, no
[00:32:14] matter what this person is like, no
[00:32:17] matter how much they're taking in
[00:32:18] welfare benefits at a time where the US
[00:32:21] economy is in trouble
[00:32:23] and of course we don't need new
[00:32:25] lowskilled labor in the United States
[00:32:26] cuz AI obviously what are the only
[00:32:29] people going to do?
[00:32:33] There's no reason for this. Nothing
[00:32:36] about this helps anyone else in the
[00:32:38] country. But according to Peggy
[00:32:39] Flanigan, there's literally nothing you
[00:32:40] can do. And anyone who tries to do
[00:32:42] anything about it
[00:32:44] is going to get stopped physically
[00:32:48] by her voters. Lay down your bodies.
[00:32:54] This is being orchestrated not just by
[00:32:58] NOS's and donors, whoever they are, but
[00:33:00] by the elected officials of the state of
[00:33:03] Minnesota. I do have a message for our
[00:33:06] community, for our city, and I have a
[00:33:09] message for ICE.
[00:33:12] To ICE, get the [ __ ] out of Minneapolis.
[00:33:16] We do not want you here.
[00:33:19] Your stated reason for being in this
[00:33:21] city is to create some kind of safety,
[00:33:24] and you are doing exactly the opposite.
[00:33:27] People are being hurt. Families are
[00:33:29] being ripped apart. long-term
[00:33:32] Minneapolis residents that have
[00:33:34] contributed so greatly to our city, to
[00:33:37] our culture, to our economy are being
[00:33:39] terrorized. And now somebody is dead.
[00:33:43] That's on you.
[00:33:45] And it's also on you to leave. Now, that
[00:33:48] was about a month ago.
[00:33:51] Jacob Fry, mayor of Minneapolis, who by
[00:33:54] the way has nothing to do with Minnesota
[00:33:56] at all. He's not from there. He moved
[00:33:58] there after law school.
[00:34:00] He's basically an outside agitator who's
[00:34:03] taking control of the political
[00:34:05] mechanisms of the 43rd biggest city in
[00:34:08] the United States.
[00:34:11] Federal law enforcement
[00:34:14] get out. He says, do you have a right to
[00:34:17] say that? Really, if you're the mayor of
[00:34:18] an American city, certainly understand
[00:34:21] feeling like you don't want federal
[00:34:24] agents in your city. Okay. But do you
[00:34:25] have a right, an actual right to say
[00:34:27] that? No, you don't.
[00:34:30] Because we have all agreed that there is
[00:34:32] a federal government over all of us. And
[00:34:36] if you're saying that into the camera,
[00:34:40] what are you doing? You're trying to
[00:34:42] start a war. And that's exactly what
[00:34:46] they're trying to do. And once again,
[00:34:48] every protester,
[00:34:52] no matter how misguided or crazed,
[00:34:55] deranged, extreme, a lot of them are
[00:34:57] really extreme, no matter how many foot
[00:34:59] soldiers die
[00:35:01] in this, Jacob Fry, as long as they keep
[00:35:05] dying, gets more powerful.
[00:35:09] This guy's the mayor of Minneapolis.
[00:35:12] Doesn't even have 500,000 people. Not
[00:35:14] even a half a million people live in
[00:35:15] Minneapolis. Okay. And yet every
[00:35:18] American knows this guy's name. Why?
[00:35:21] Because of this. So typically it used to
[00:35:24] be like in a functioning system, a mayor
[00:35:26] would come in and if he improved the
[00:35:27] city, he would become famous. And if he
[00:35:31] wrecked it, he become infamous.
[00:35:34] But the job description was improve the
[00:35:36] place, you're in charge of it. We
[00:35:38] elected you to make this place better.
[00:35:40] Those rules don't apply.
[00:35:43] Instead, people are rewarded
[00:35:46] for that kind of talk, which is what
[00:35:48] he's doing. The guy's just an
[00:35:49] opportunist. He's like from suburban DC
[00:35:51] or something. Just shows up here and
[00:35:52] starts lecturing motans and Minneapolis,
[00:35:55] you know, Twin Cities residents about
[00:35:57] what our history is or whatever. No,
[00:35:59] this guy's an opportunist
[00:36:02] leveraging the destruction of his own
[00:36:05] city and the suffering of its own people
[00:36:08] in order to acrue power to himself.
[00:36:09] That's just a fact.
[00:36:12] But it tells you this is not a
[00:36:16] situation, however they may have
[00:36:18] mishandled it, the Trump administration
[00:36:20] created. Donald Trump ran on the promise
[00:36:23] that we're going to get these people
[00:36:25] out. They have no right to be here.
[00:36:27] They're not making the country better.
[00:36:28] That's not racism. It's just a fact.
[00:36:30] That's an overwhelmingly popular
[00:36:32] sentiment with the public or was before
[00:36:33] all of this.
[00:36:36] And the state doesn't want to comply.
[00:36:39] You hate to search for civil rights
[00:36:41] analogies because that whole thing was
[00:36:42] so fraudulent that you don't even appeal
[00:36:44] to it as a source of moral authority. On
[00:36:46] the other hand, it is a fact that Bull
[00:36:49] Connor is not considered a hero, at
[00:36:52] least in American textbooks. The guy
[00:36:54] George Wallace, the guy who stands in
[00:36:56] the schoolhouse door and says federal
[00:36:57] troops out,
[00:37:00] we don't remember him as a champion of
[00:37:03] states rights. In fact, the whole
[00:37:04] concept of states rights
[00:37:07] was
[00:37:08] made highly unpopular by that behavior
[00:37:12] because of course the media swung behind
[00:37:14] the feds.
[00:37:16] And 60 years later, the opposite is
[00:37:18] true. And almost none of that really
[00:37:21] really matters long term. The only thing
[00:37:23] that really really matters is how do we
[00:37:26] keep the country from spinning apart?
[00:37:29] And this kind of stuff is guaranteed to
[00:37:32] break it up and to cause real violence.
[00:37:36] That was Jacob Fry. He's the one that
[00:37:39] the White House called and said, "Look,
[00:37:42] if you'll just respond to 911 calls when
[00:37:45] our federal officers call for help cuz
[00:37:47] they're going to be killed. If you'll
[00:37:49] just try to protect them in restaurants
[00:37:51] as you would any other American, if
[00:37:54] you'll just give us the address of say a
[00:37:58] convicted murderer we're hoping to get
[00:37:59] out of our country, then we'll leave and
[00:38:01] you can take over. This is a guy who
[00:38:02] turned that down. Again, you can't make
[00:38:04] the point enough. This is happening
[00:38:06] because they want it to happen. Just
[00:38:07] like every big thing in the life of any
[00:38:10] country happens, this is just a sad
[00:38:12] fact. Not because some group of people
[00:38:14] decide it should happen or because it's
[00:38:16] ordained by history to happen, but
[00:38:17] because the people in charge want it to
[00:38:19] happen. By the way, we have whatever the
[00:38:21] real number is, 80 million illegal
[00:38:23] aliens in the country in the first place
[00:38:24] because both parties want it, of course.
[00:38:27] So, at a macro level, this is
[00:38:28] manipulation of the public. That's true.
[00:38:30] If you really wanted
[00:38:33] a country where only citizens live or
[00:38:36] people with the permission
[00:38:39] of the government, only people who are
[00:38:40] following the law get to live there. and
[00:38:42] reap the benefits of living there. If
[00:38:44] you really wanted that, you could have
[00:38:45] fixed this decades ago. You'd make it
[00:38:47] really simple. You would just enforce
[00:38:49] two things. One, you're not allowed to
[00:38:51] hire people who are here illegally. You
[00:38:53] go to employers and say no.
[00:38:56] And you would check their documents just
[00:38:58] like your documents get checked. You
[00:39:00] can't get on a plane without a real ID.
[00:39:02] Why? Cuz they want to know who you are.
[00:39:03] All these illegals are working for
[00:39:06] American businesses using fake
[00:39:07] documents. And everybody knows that fake
[00:39:09] social security cards, driver's
[00:39:11] licenses, real driver's licenses now
[00:39:14] because a lot of states just give
[00:39:15] driver's licenses to illegals, fake
[00:39:17] birth certificates, all fake and that's
[00:39:19] easily provable, but no one really wants
[00:39:21] to deal with that. And the other thing
[00:39:23] we do is like, how about no benefits for
[00:39:24] you? You're not a citizen. You're not
[00:39:26] allowed to be here. You're breaking the
[00:39:27] law. Why should I pay for your health
[00:39:28] care, your kids schooling, housing
[00:39:31] vouchers, whatever? We're not doing any
[00:39:32] of that anymore.
[00:39:35] Easy fix. Talk about self-deportation.
[00:39:38] End of the month, you'd you'd depopulate
[00:39:43] a lot of the illegal population. But we
[00:39:45] haven't done that. Why? Cuz there's of
[00:39:47] course a bipartisan conspiracy to have
[00:39:49] what we have now. And that's what you're
[00:39:51] seeing in Minneapolis. Why is this
[00:39:53] happening? Because the Democratic
[00:39:54] establishment sees this as the path back
[00:39:57] to power. And oh, the cost is just
[00:39:59] destroying our society.
[00:40:01] That's why. So just keep that in mind as
[00:40:04] you watch.
[00:40:06] What you're seeing through this very
[00:40:08] narrow aperture on the screen of your
[00:40:10] phone is just a scene in a much larger
[00:40:12] movie that has a totally different plot.
[00:40:15] And the movie is called Color
[00:40:17] Revolution. But they're not telling you
[00:40:19] that in the credits. They're like, "Look
[00:40:20] at this atrocity." Okay. And by the way,
[00:40:22] some of them are atrocities. And this is
[00:40:25] in no way a justification for shooting
[00:40:27] any unarmed person, particularly for
[00:40:28] shooting a woman. That's awful. And if
[00:40:30] you don't feel that that's awful, then
[00:40:31] your soul is degrading. Make sure you
[00:40:33] think that's sad because it is
[00:40:35] fundamentally.
[00:40:37] The question is why did it happen? And
[00:40:39] it happened because of people like Jacob
[00:40:41] Fry and Governor Walls and Lieutenant
[00:40:45] Governor Peggy. That's why it happened.
[00:40:48] So this is clearly about power, moving
[00:40:52] power from one group to another group.
[00:40:55] And the people inspiring violence want
[00:40:56] the power, and they're willing to watch
[00:40:58] others die in order to get it. It's a
[00:41:01] very familiar formula. People are like
[00:41:04] this. It's the worst thing about them.
[00:41:06] But it's just a fact. Not about civil
[00:41:09] rights. It's not about the folks or the
[00:41:11] neighborhood. It's about taking power
[00:41:14] from someone else. But underneath it all
[00:41:17] is also an ideology.
[00:41:19] And it's the same ideology that has
[00:41:21] ruled this country for generations. And
[00:41:23] it's many things. It's secular, of
[00:41:26] course. It's instinctively pro chaos.
[00:41:30] It's distinctively anti-beauty, but
[00:41:33] above all, it is opposed to two things,
[00:41:35] and that is Christianity and whites.
[00:41:39] Now, why is that? It's a tough one. You
[00:41:42] know, as a non- theologian, I'm not
[00:41:43] going to speculate. Only noting that
[00:41:46] because
[00:41:48] as someone who's lived here for a long
[00:41:49] time, I've marinated in it for decades.
[00:41:52] The two things a ruling classes object
[00:41:55] to the most strenuously, they don't
[00:41:57] always say it aloud, though often they
[00:41:58] do. Christianity, not religion,
[00:42:01] Christianity specifically, and white
[00:42:04] people. Kind of interesting. And again,
[00:42:07] you can draw your own conclusions as to
[00:42:08] why that might be, why those would be
[00:42:10] your operating
[00:42:13] hatreds
[00:42:15] in a country that for 230 out of 250
[00:42:20] years was majority white and Christian.
[00:42:23] Who knows, right?
[00:42:25] But those clearly are the things that
[00:42:29] people like Tim Walls, people like Peggy
[00:42:31] Flanigan, people like Jacob Fry hate the
[00:42:34] most.
[00:42:36] And we know that because they can't stop
[00:42:39] themselves from telling you. Here's an
[00:42:42] interview she did with a local radio
[00:42:44] station several years ago in which she
[00:42:47] explained that as a Native American,
[00:42:51] she's a Native American somehow from an
[00:42:54] affluent suburb, but Native American,
[00:42:57] uh, Peggy Flanigan feels this very
[00:42:59] deeply. Listen,
[00:43:00] >> unfortunately, Minnesota nice too often
[00:43:03] means that we gloss over the deep
[00:43:07] inequities that exist in our state.
[00:43:11] We're one of the happiest states in the
[00:43:13] country. Our schools and health care
[00:43:15] systems are at the top of the list on on
[00:43:18] all the list that you want to be on top
[00:43:20] of. We've got a really uh incredible
[00:43:23] state.
[00:43:25] If you're white, if you are a person of
[00:43:27] color, if you are indigenous,
[00:43:31] if you are an immigrant or refugee, the
[00:43:33] opposite is true. As a Native American
[00:43:36] woman, it is not lost on me that I work
[00:43:39] in a system that was uh created in many
[00:43:43] ways to eliminate and erase me and and
[00:43:49] our community as a whole. So, I'm not
[00:43:52] interested in in just making uh policy
[00:43:56] change here and there, but we also need
[00:44:00] to be in a place where we call white
[00:44:02] supremacy white supremacy.
[00:44:05] >> So, you could sit and like parse this
[00:44:06] like how Native American is Peggy
[00:44:09] Flanigan? How a Jabua is she really?
[00:44:14] But it's not really even worth having
[00:44:16] that argument.
[00:44:19] What's so much more important to
[00:44:20] understand is the hostility. And boy,
[00:44:23] can you feel it as a Native American
[00:44:24] woman? The system was designed to erase
[00:44:27] me. Really, you're a lieutenant
[00:44:28] governor. I don't You seem pretty
[00:44:29] visible, actually, for an invisible
[00:44:31] person. Um, right. It's absurd. It's
[00:44:34] felt rather than reasoned.
[00:44:37] But it's no less significant because
[00:44:39] it's irrational because it's clear. It's
[00:44:43] heartfelt. This is someone who really
[00:44:46] doesn't like the whites.
[00:44:50] And a lot of them are that way,
[00:44:51] including a lot of the whites.
[00:44:54] That's its whole separate question.
[00:44:59] Like, there's no hatred quite so durable
[00:45:02] and profound as self-hatred.
[00:45:05] The self-hater is the one you really
[00:45:06] have to worry about. They're the true
[00:45:08] extremists.
[00:45:09] which by the way does in part explain
[00:45:12] why all this violence in the whitest
[00:45:15] cities. This isn't happening in Miami.
[00:45:18] It's not happening in Baltimore.
[00:45:19] Actually, it's not happening in Detroit.
[00:45:21] It's not happening in Memphis, the most
[00:45:23] dangerous city in the country. They sent
[00:45:24] federal troops to Memphis, the Trump
[00:45:26] administration, to Washington DC. These
[00:45:29] are all majority black cities.
[00:45:32] Didn't respond like this.
[00:45:35] But it's the very few remaining majority
[00:45:38] white cities that we have in this
[00:45:39] country. They're the hotbeds of this
[00:45:41] kind of radicalism and intensity. It's
[00:45:43] just a fact. Certainly not an attack on
[00:45:45] white people. I'll never add my voice to
[00:45:47] that chorus cuz there's enough of it,
[00:45:49] but it's noticing it. So why why is
[00:45:53] Minneapolis so much more radical than
[00:45:55] Baltimore? It's way nicer than
[00:45:56] Baltimore. You're less likely to get,
[00:45:58] you know, carjacked, but the political
[00:46:01] intensity Oh, there's no comparison.
[00:46:03] You're never going to get lectured about
[00:46:07] ICE brutality or no, you can't you can't
[00:46:11] deport the Somali child molester. You're
[00:46:14] never going to get that lecture in
[00:46:15] Baltimore ever or Gary, Indiana or even
[00:46:19] Washington DC except from a professional
[00:46:21] class white. But in cities like
[00:46:24] Portland, Oregon, Portland, Maine,
[00:46:26] Minneapolis, Minnesota, St. Paul, you're
[00:46:28] definitely going to get that lecture
[00:46:30] because selfhatred
[00:46:33] is a stronger emotion than hatred.
[00:46:38] And of course, that fact has been
[00:46:40] leveraged by ambitious white ladies like
[00:46:43] Peggy Flanigan for a long time and
[00:46:46] Elizabeth Warren. Why are they always
[00:46:47] telling you how American Indian they are
[00:46:48] when obviously they're not. I'm American
[00:46:50] Indian. I'm a Jiua. My Ajiu name is
[00:46:54] Proud Lady or whatever. They're making
[00:46:56] up this absurd stuff. Settle down,
[00:46:58] Peggy.
[00:46:59] Why are they telling you that? Of
[00:47:01] course, because it's so resonant.
[00:47:04] It's so powerful to the self-hating
[00:47:06] white. Oh, [laughter] you holy person.
[00:47:10] I mean, it's like hilarious, but it's
[00:47:11] also scary because in that self-hatred
[00:47:14] are the roots of true extremism. Just
[00:47:18] lay down in front of the train tracks.
[00:47:19] Lay your body down. As Peggy said,
[00:47:24] that's the short-term problem. The
[00:47:25] long-term problem is if you keep if
[00:47:28] you're trafficking in race hate
[00:47:31] and then you get power,
[00:47:34] what happens to the people you hate?
[00:47:36] Well, they could be in trouble.
[00:47:38] That's when you've got a hoou tootssie
[00:47:40] situation on your hands. Well, actually,
[00:47:43] I mean, this is this is the history of
[00:47:45] the world. We shouldn't think we're
[00:47:47] exempt. So this kind of stuff is really
[00:47:50] really dangerous and it's the
[00:47:52] undercurrent of this whole debate over
[00:47:54] ICE. We hate the whites and we hate the
[00:47:58] Christians. H and that of course was the
[00:48:01] main reason you saw that church invaded
[00:48:05] the other day in Minneapolis in the Twin
[00:48:08] Cities. What did they do? They were just
[00:48:09] in the middle of a church service, the
[00:48:11] world's only really non-violent
[00:48:13] religion.
[00:48:15] But they got threatened. their kids got
[00:48:17] threatened and screamed at.
[00:48:20] And what happened after that? Well, the
[00:48:24] Trump administration tried to indict
[00:48:26] five people, but they couldn't because
[00:48:30] they couldn't find a judge to sign the
[00:48:33] order. It was basically nullification by
[00:48:36] judge. No, it's a church. We're not
[00:48:38] going to do anything about it. So, you'd
[00:48:40] think people hassled in church. They
[00:48:42] have nothing to do with anything. The
[00:48:44] prisoners in that church were threatened
[00:48:46] by lunatics. It's on video. We're not
[00:48:48] guessing. That's not a crime really.
[00:48:51] Well, let's go now to the chief law
[00:48:54] enforcement officer in the state of
[00:48:55] Minnesota, Mr. Keith Ellison, the
[00:48:57] longtime black separatist. Talk about
[00:48:58] anti-white activist. Keith Ellison, who
[00:49:02] leveraged white guilt to become the
[00:49:04] attorney general of the state of
[00:49:06] Minnesota.
[00:49:09] Listen to him explain why of course no
[00:49:12] one's going to get indicted for
[00:49:14] screaming at Christians in the middle of
[00:49:15] a church service for threatening
[00:49:17] Christians in prayer. Watch this. And
[00:49:20] the Face Act, by the way, is designed to
[00:49:23] protect the rights of people seeking
[00:49:25] their reproductive rights um to be
[00:49:28] protected uh and so that people for
[00:49:31] religious reason uh you know cannot just
[00:49:34] use religion to break into women's
[00:49:37] reproductive health centers. Right? So,
[00:49:40] how they are stretching either of these
[00:49:42] laws to apply to people who protested in
[00:49:45] a church over the behavior or the
[00:49:47] perceived behavior of a of a of a
[00:49:49] religious leader is is beyond me. Oh,
[00:49:52] Keith Ellison, who's the attorney
[00:49:54] general of the state,
[00:49:58] charged with enforcing the laws of the
[00:50:00] state, can't get his head around the
[00:50:02] concept of universally applicable
[00:50:06] standards, principles, or laws.
[00:50:09] Oh, no. That doesn't apply to people I
[00:50:12] don't like. They're not protected by
[00:50:14] that law. Oh, no. Anti-semitism is
[00:50:16] wrong. Racism is wrong. Anti-white
[00:50:18] hatred is not wrong. Okay, it's the same
[00:50:23] way of thinking.
[00:50:25] This is what tribalism leads to. The
[00:50:28] tribalist mind cannot understand the
[00:50:31] concept of universally applicable
[00:50:33] standards or principles. They don't
[00:50:35] exist. So whatever's good for my team is
[00:50:38] just good. And if it's good for your
[00:50:40] team, then it's not good. Okay, that's
[00:50:43] the attitude. It's not just Keith
[00:50:45] Ellison, by the way, who has that
[00:50:46] attitude. A lot of people in Washington
[00:50:47] have that attitude. So just to restate
[00:50:48] the country is built in fact it is
[00:50:51] explicitly built it is designed it
[00:50:53] documents articulate this on the idea
[00:50:56] that certain standards rights as they're
[00:51:00] called apply to every human being by
[00:51:03] virtue of the fact they're human because
[00:51:05] they're given by the creator by God to
[00:51:08] people that cannot be taken away
[00:51:09] inaliable and they always reside with
[00:51:12] the individual no matter what.
[00:51:15] This was the case that the civil rights
[00:51:17] protesters made at first. They didn't
[00:51:19] mean it, turns out, but it still
[00:51:21] nonetheless true. We believe that
[00:51:24] all people are subject to the same
[00:51:27] standards because they're people and
[00:51:29] protected by the same laws. But Keith
[00:51:30] Ellison can't even comprehend that. He
[00:51:33] says the Face Act, which is designed to
[00:51:35] protect abortion clinics as they kill
[00:51:37] kids,
[00:51:39] that was designed to keep religious
[00:51:40] people away from abortion clinics. You
[00:51:43] can't pray on the sidewalk outside an
[00:51:44] abortion clinic. Got it. It in no way
[00:51:47] protects religious people from being
[00:51:49] threatened in church by my voters. I
[00:51:52] don't even know what you're talking
[00:51:53] about.
[00:51:55] [laughter]
[00:51:56] Okay. And by the way, this is the
[00:51:59] mindset that has rendered useless except
[00:52:02] for political activism huge swaths of
[00:52:05] our judiciary.
[00:52:07] This is why no one gets punished for
[00:52:10] left-wing activism. And yet people who
[00:52:13] gather outside the capital with their
[00:52:15] little pocket constitutions end up doing
[00:52:18] 5 years in prison on January 6 having
[00:52:20] committed no crime at all other than
[00:52:23] wandered too close to the so-called
[00:52:24] people's house
[00:52:27] because it's just a totally different
[00:52:29] set of principles. Like whose side are
[00:52:30] you on? Your team doesn't have the
[00:52:32] benefit of protection under the law. you
[00:52:35] don't have the right to exist. This is
[00:52:38] their thinking. You should know this, by
[00:52:40] the way. And this is why what we're
[00:52:43] looking at now will determine not just
[00:52:45] the course of political power over the
[00:52:48] next two years or between now and the
[00:52:49] midterm. They want to shut the country
[00:52:50] down before the midterms so they can
[00:52:51] take power in the midterms. Obviously,
[00:52:53] got it. But the course of our lives
[00:52:56] going forward. Because if people who
[00:52:58] don't believe in universal principles or
[00:53:01] rights take control and you're on the
[00:53:03] wrong side, you have no rights. None.
[00:53:06] Will they feel guilty about hurting you?
[00:53:07] Of course not. You just heard him say
[00:53:09] that. Why do Christians have protection?
[00:53:13] They're Christians. It's not like
[00:53:15] they're abortionists.
[00:53:17] They're not like Canaanite priestesses.
[00:53:21] They have protection. But like people
[00:53:24] praying in church.
[00:53:26] So just keep in mind no matter what
[00:53:28] happens going forward that the instincts
[00:53:32] the hatreds of the people on the other
[00:53:35] side can be distilled to don't like
[00:53:38] whites don't like Christians and white
[00:53:39] Christians are the worst possible
[00:53:40] combination. So those people who have
[00:53:42] been in our government's crosshairs for
[00:53:44] an awful long time should wake up and
[00:53:46] remember the stakes are really high for
[00:53:48] you. Talk about a disfavored group.
[00:53:52] And that leads to the last point that is
[00:53:54] worth making in all of this,
[00:53:57] which is there is another group that
[00:54:02] benefits from chaos and that's
[00:54:04] entrenched institutional interests. It's
[00:54:07] one of the reasons, you know, Apple gave
[00:54:09] so much money to the Black Lives Matter
[00:54:13] protest because like in some sense it's
[00:54:15] good for them because they're here no
[00:54:16] matter what.
[00:54:18] But government agencies with guns always
[00:54:22] have an interest, just an inherent
[00:54:24] interest regardless of who's running
[00:54:25] them at the time. But as an
[00:54:27] organization, they have an interest in
[00:54:28] increasing their powers.
[00:54:30] And so if you're thinking that this is
[00:54:32] going to move toward more confrontation,
[00:54:34] it's going to get more extreme before it
[00:54:37] pulls back. Obviously, we're praying,
[00:54:39] literally praying for this to like calm
[00:54:40] down. But let's say it doesn't.
[00:54:44] You have to ask yourself like who are
[00:54:45] the people who are armed, who have the
[00:54:48] authority
[00:54:50] to say point a gun at a fellow American,
[00:54:53] take the life of a fellow American cuz
[00:54:55] they're doing it on behalf of the
[00:54:57] government. It's the law. Just trying to
[00:54:58] keep order here. That's why we shot you.
[00:55:01] And there are a lot of Trump voters who
[00:55:03] have kind of suspended these thoughts
[00:55:05] because they're rooting for Trump. But
[00:55:08] it doesn't matter how much you love
[00:55:09] Trump, voted for him, or if like me, you
[00:55:11] campaigned in multiple states with
[00:55:13] Trump. It's not an attack on Trump to
[00:55:16] note
[00:55:17] that oof, you should not trust the
[00:55:20] government. I mean, like, why would you?
[00:55:23] [laughter]
[00:55:25] I mean, in order, I think most people
[00:55:27] who voted for Trump would say, I'll
[00:55:28] speak for myself. What do you What do
[00:55:29] you believe in most? Oh, God.
[00:55:32] My family,
[00:55:34] decency, kindness,
[00:55:37] my neighbors,
[00:55:38] my ancestors,
[00:55:40] the founding principles of our country,
[00:55:43] like maybe an order. And one of those
[00:55:45] founding principles of our country is
[00:55:47] like don't always trust the government.
[00:55:49] Fair. It's fair. And don't forget that.
[00:55:51] You'd be a fool to forget that. And the
[00:55:53] institutions that are fighting back
[00:55:54] against people you're worried about
[00:55:56] might be the ones oppressing you at
[00:55:57] certain point. So, you'd be crazy not to
[00:56:00] ask obvious questions like, "Okay,
[00:56:04] is the uniformed US military or its
[00:56:07] leaders
[00:56:10] sort of on the side of the rule of law?
[00:56:12] We never have to think about that. Most
[00:56:14] Americans have never thought about
[00:56:15] that." Then you look at January 6, which
[00:56:18] was, among other things, probably the
[00:56:20] most effective, largest false flag
[00:56:21] operation in the last 10 years. There
[00:56:24] have been quite a few, but that was
[00:56:25] definitely one of them. and the US
[00:56:27] military national guard played a role in
[00:56:29] that. We've never been held to account
[00:56:31] for that. That should make you a little
[00:56:32] bit uncomfortable, right? The in fact
[00:56:34] the whole first Trump term should make
[00:56:37] you uncomfortable. So Trump voters are
[00:56:39] like, "Oh, we have to trust the
[00:56:40] government." Really? Was that the last
[00:56:41] of the first Trump term? We have to
[00:56:42] trust the government. Was it really?
[00:56:46] When the government, his own federal
[00:56:48] agencies tried to send Trump and his
[00:56:50] kids to prison for the rest of his li of
[00:56:52] their lives with the Russia gate hoax.
[00:56:55] Was that actually the lesson there? And
[00:56:58] then you have January 6th, the false
[00:56:59] flag of January 6th. And then two years
[00:57:02] later, you have armed FBI agents in his
[00:57:05] wife's underwear drawer and they're
[00:57:07] there because we really believe Trump
[00:57:09] may have violated the Espionage Act. No
[00:57:11] one believed Trump violated the
[00:57:12] Espionage Act. You have to be a [ __ ]
[00:57:14] No sane person thought that, but they
[00:57:16] did it anyway. No one was ever punished
[00:57:18] for that.
[00:57:21] So the people telling you to trust the
[00:57:22] government, you probably shouldn't
[00:57:24] trust.
[00:57:26] It's always the same people. It's kind
[00:57:28] of funny. They don't want any
[00:57:31] disclosure.
[00:57:32] The funniest is all the people who are
[00:57:34] telling you have to hate Muslims. Oh,
[00:57:35] hate the Muslims. Ben Shapiro or Mark
[00:57:38] Levin hate Muslims. Why aren't those
[00:57:40] same people calling for full disclosure
[00:57:42] of the 9/11 documents? It's kind of
[00:57:44] weird, isn't it? If you really wanted to
[00:57:46] prove that Muslims are bad, you would
[00:57:49] want all the 9/11 documents disclosed,
[00:57:51] wouldn't you? Just so you could sort of
[00:57:53] play out the horrifying details that led
[00:57:56] to those fabled 19 Arabs with box
[00:57:58] cutters committing the biggest act of
[00:58:00] terror in American history. Why would
[00:58:02] you ever want to keep any of that
[00:58:03] secret? Has Mark Lean ever called for
[00:58:05] the full disclosure of the 9/11 docks?
[00:58:07] Shut up, conspiracy theorist. Well, why
[00:58:10] wouldn't you? That would kind of make
[00:58:11] your case the Muslims are bad, wouldn't
[00:58:13] it? just put a nail in the coffin of all
[00:58:15] the jihadis in America. Is Ben Piro on
[00:58:18] that? Well, shut up conspiracy theorist.
[00:58:22] So, just keep in mind when people tell
[00:58:24] you trust the government, maybe there's
[00:58:26] another agenda there.
[00:58:29] I mean, here are two facts you should
[00:58:30] know. Not trying to sew paranoia or
[00:58:32] anything like that, but there are
[00:58:35] National Gu units, National Guard units
[00:58:37] in the United States in various states
[00:58:38] that are actively recruiting right now
[00:58:42] the children of illegal aliens.
[00:58:45] Why would you do that? The National
[00:58:47] Guard exists for a number of purposes,
[00:58:48] but one of them is to keep order in the
[00:58:50] United States. So, you're intentionally
[00:58:52] recruiting people with no ties
[00:58:54] whatsoever to the United States and
[00:58:57] giving them the power to shoot your
[00:59:00] fellow Americans as long as the
[00:59:01] government declares it an emergency.
[00:59:03] What is that really? The group you'd be
[00:59:05] targeting, the children of illegal
[00:59:06] aliens. So, here to end are the three
[00:59:10] potential options
[00:59:13] for stopping the chaos in Minnesota. And
[00:59:16] there may be others, but these are the
[00:59:18] three that come immediately to mind for
[00:59:20] the Trump administration. Clearly, state
[00:59:22] officials in Minnesota have a vested
[00:59:24] interest, as explained, to increase the
[00:59:26] chaos, to increase the casualties, to
[00:59:29] increase the destruction. Their city
[00:59:30] burns. It's a win for them. Their
[00:59:32] protesters die. It's a win for them.
[00:59:34] Those are all martyrs. Their holy names
[00:59:36] will never be forgotten. They want this,
[00:59:38] obviously.
[00:59:40] So, what does the administration do to
[00:59:43] end the chaos? three things potentially.
[00:59:47] The first is kind of keep doing what
[00:59:48] they're doing, but more so. So, invoke
[00:59:52] the insurrection act. You're hearing a
[00:59:54] lot. We just vote the Insurrection Act.
[00:59:55] That'll fix it. It's been invoked a lot.
[00:59:57] It certainly has in American history.
[00:59:58] What What would that mean?
[01:00:01] Well, [snorts] it be mean sending more
[01:00:02] troops there. I think over 3,000 maybe
[01:00:04] 3,500 federal troops in Minneapolis and
[01:00:07] area right now. It's a lot. Not working.
[01:00:11] Um, you could invoke the Insurrection
[01:00:13] Act. That would sound scary. Would it
[01:00:16] change the actual
[01:00:18] conditions on the ground? Maybe
[01:00:21] if you sent enough of them. You sent the
[01:00:23] 101st Airborne like Eisenhower did at
[01:00:25] Central High School in Little Rock 1956.
[01:00:28] Maybe that would work. But you'd have to
[01:00:30] send a lot and you'd have to pretty
[01:00:31] nonsense posture. And what are the
[01:00:34] chances people get killed? Very high.
[01:00:37] But you could try it.
[01:00:40] and then you would have to kind of deal
[01:00:43] with the aftermath, but maybe it would
[01:00:44] be worth it. Two,
[01:00:46] you could, and this makes some sense,
[01:00:48] too, you could target the people in
[01:00:51] charge of this rather than their foot
[01:00:53] soldiers. Cuz if you think about it for
[01:00:54] a second, punishing
[01:00:58] the human waves that have been mobilized
[01:01:01] by the attorney general, the governor,
[01:01:03] the mayor, and the lieutenant governor
[01:01:05] probably isn't the right way. When you
[01:01:07] have war crimes tribunals, you don't put
[01:01:08] infantrymen on trial. You put their
[01:01:10] commanding officers on trial. Who gave
[01:01:11] the order to do this? They're the
[01:01:13] culpable party, of course. So, you could
[01:01:16] arrest
[01:01:18] the governor, the lieutenant governor,
[01:01:21] the mayor, and the attorney general, and
[01:01:23] you would have grounds to do that, ample
[01:01:25] grounds to do that. The lieutenant
[01:01:26] governor has been coordinating according
[01:01:29] to the ICE signal chat apparently
[01:01:35] has been coordinating
[01:01:38] attacks on federal officers. If that is
[01:01:40] indeed her, if the alias on the signal
[01:01:43] chat is Lieutenant Governor Peggy
[01:01:44] Flanigan, it looks like it is.
[01:01:47] She's a conspirator in this in an
[01:01:49] insurrection. You could arrest her and
[01:01:50] they could arrest the governor on the
[01:01:52] same grounds. They could arrest the
[01:01:53] attorney general. They could arrest the
[01:01:54] mayor.
[01:01:55] And that's a possibility. So go after
[01:01:58] the people who are fermenting chaos, not
[01:02:00] just their agents, not the kind of sad
[01:02:03] pastyfaced tattoos on the neck people,
[01:02:05] but the actual generals in this war. And
[01:02:07] it is war.
[01:02:10] The downside would be what then? There's
[01:02:13] no jury in the state that's going to
[01:02:15] convict him. No one who goes after the
[01:02:19] Trump administration, almost nobody or
[01:02:21] their agents, is ever convicted. We have
[01:02:22] jury nullification. It's the law of the
[01:02:24] land basically in all blue states. And
[01:02:27] the third possibility is that you
[01:02:30] quarantine Minnesota effectively. You
[01:02:33] say, "Okay, you want to live with Somali
[01:02:36] fraudsters, foreignb born murderers,
[01:02:41] tons of child molesters, people
[01:02:43] convicted of child rape, and you want to
[01:02:44] call them folks and your neighbors, and
[01:02:47] you want to pay for their lives, go
[01:02:50] ahead. But we're not paying for it. The
[01:02:53] US government federal
[01:02:56] tax funds are not going to be used to
[01:02:58] pay for child molesters and murderers to
[01:03:01] get food stamps, housing vouchers,
[01:03:04] Medicaid, whatever. We're just we're
[01:03:06] cutting you off. And you want to live
[01:03:08] like an autonomous zone, be one. Pay for
[01:03:11] it yourself.
[01:03:13] And that might be very effective because
[01:03:15] in the end, money is power. And people
[01:03:17] like Fry and Walls and Lieutenant
[01:03:21] Governor Peggy and the black separatist
[01:03:24] attorney general, they want the money.
[01:03:26] So that might bring them to heal and it
[01:03:28] would be completely fair. And you could
[01:03:30] tell the public, look, I'm against any
[01:03:32] kind of violence. This is clearly going
[01:03:33] to cause more violence. We're going to
[01:03:35] pull back
[01:03:37] any federal officers there. They can
[01:03:39] police their own state and we'll see how
[01:03:42] long they last. we're gonna we're gonna
[01:03:44] have a a financial siege of Minnesota.
[01:03:47] Just cut off the money. Good luck.
[01:03:51] Problem, of course, is that you will
[01:03:52] immediately find a federal judge who
[01:03:54] says, as they always do when the Trump
[01:03:56] administration does something, you can't
[01:03:58] do that. And so, for it to work, you'd
[01:04:01] have to say, well, we're ignoring the
[01:04:03] federal order.
[01:04:06] So, at almost any turn, and this is why
[01:04:09] it's a pretty clever and diabolical trap
[01:04:14] that these Democratic politicians have
[01:04:16] laid, at almost any turn, the Trump
[01:04:18] administration is, unless you can think
[01:04:20] of something else, likely to have to
[01:04:23] say, "I'm sorry, we can't go along with
[01:04:24] this. We know these are the pre-existing
[01:04:26] rules, but no." How about no, we're
[01:04:29] going to get to that place. or
[01:04:32] what is obviously their intent this
[01:04:35] color revolution which will hurt a lot
[01:04:38] of people destroy a lot of property and
[01:04:40] change the country forever obviously
[01:04:41] that's going to play out
[01:04:43] what will happen
[01:04:45] praying for peace as always praying for
[01:04:47] an end to chaos but unknown
[01:04:51] so this is one of the most significant
[01:04:53] moments also one of the most complex
[01:04:55] moments um and one of the most distorted
[01:04:57] moments any of us have lived through in
[01:05:00] a long
[01:05:01] And so to help make sense of it, we're
[01:05:03] proud to have someone who I think of as
[01:05:05] one of the greatest journalists really
[01:05:06] of our of our time. Certainly one of the
[01:05:08] clearest observers and most honest
[01:05:10] observers I know and that's Michael
[01:05:12] Shelonburgger who joins us now. Mike,
[01:05:14] thanks so much for doing this. What I'm
[01:05:16] just going to stand back and let you
[01:05:18] assess what you think we're watching
[01:05:20] right now in Minneapolis.
[01:05:23] >> Sure. Well, it's great to be with you,
[01:05:24] Tucker, and I wholeheartedly agree this
[01:05:27] is a issue of great significance. I
[01:05:30] should, you know, start by saying that
[01:05:32] the people involved in it on the left
[01:05:34] are very familiar to me. I spent many
[01:05:37] decades on the radical left. I've
[01:05:39] participated in nonviolent civil
[01:05:42] disobedience multiple times. I've led
[01:05:45] nonviolent civil disobedience, most
[01:05:47] recently to save the Diablo Canyon
[01:05:49] nuclear power plant. I'm also somebody
[01:05:52] that takes uh physical security
[01:05:54] extremely seriously. I've been in war
[01:05:57] zones ever since I was 17 years old. Um,
[01:06:00] I'm very aware of the fact that your
[01:06:03] physical environment is something that
[01:06:06] you must be aware of at all times. You
[01:06:08] must know whatever situation you're in
[01:06:09] at all times and that physical security
[01:06:12] starts with knowing the situation you're
[01:06:15] going into and the situation around you.
[01:06:17] So, context is everything. And one of
[01:06:20] the things that's I found disturbing
[01:06:22] about the media coverage of this is that
[01:06:23] they're stripping all the context away.
[01:06:26] And so you just see a particular moment
[01:06:29] of uh Alex Prey on the ground. You're
[01:06:32] missing a broader context here. You
[01:06:35] know, I I think it's really important to
[01:06:37] understand that these are incredibly
[01:06:39] wellorganized
[01:06:41] efforts to interfere with law
[01:06:43] enforcement operations by a very
[01:06:46] sophisticated group of individuals, of
[01:06:49] nonprofits, of people that have the
[01:06:51] support from uh Democratic officials in
[01:06:55] the state of Minnesota. We saw a a
[01:06:57] manual that they have created for
[01:07:00] activists to disrupt law enforcement
[01:07:03] operations. That manual describes how
[01:07:07] people should, for example, call 911 on
[01:07:11] ICE officers and deceive the 911
[01:07:15] dispatchers into thinking that they're
[01:07:18] reporting a kidnapping uh by armed men.
[01:07:22] That is exceedingly dangerous. I I can't
[01:07:24] emphasize it enough. provoking
[01:07:26] confrontations between different law
[01:07:28] enforcement officials with mal
[01:07:31] intentions, an intention to get people
[01:07:33] hurt, to create disruption and violence.
[01:07:36] So, I think the important thing to know
[01:07:38] about both Renee Good and Alex Prey,
[01:07:41] these deaths are obviously tragic. I
[01:07:43] actually view both of them as victims of
[01:07:46] the left and this broader strategy to
[01:07:48] create violence and chaos as a way to
[01:07:51] ostensibly disrupt ICE operations. is I
[01:07:53] think there's a larger strategy here
[01:07:55] which we should talk about but the
[01:07:57] context is is that they're interfering
[01:07:59] in law enforcement operations and the
[01:08:02] claim that they were simply observing is
[01:08:05] dishonest and you can see Alex Prey
[01:08:08] waving traffic in from the middle of the
[01:08:09] street. He then intervenes when an ICE
[01:08:13] officer is engaging with a woman. Now, I
[01:08:16] say all this with, you know, no, I'm not
[01:08:20] defending the behavior of any of these
[01:08:22] ICE officers. You know, if I, you know,
[01:08:24] if you, if you press me, I think that
[01:08:26] this was not great behavior. Um, uh, I
[01:08:29] think we can all look at it and see a
[01:08:31] lot of things that we think are
[01:08:32] inappropriate. This is a a force of ICE
[01:08:35] agents that was not well prepared. I
[01:08:37] don't think it was well managed. And
[01:08:39] other things can be true, which is that
[01:08:42] Alex Prey put himself right in front of
[01:08:44] that officer, stepped into the street,
[01:08:47] uh, you know, got himself involved in
[01:08:48] this altercation that he didn't need to
[01:08:50] be involved in, certainly not to film
[01:08:51] it. So, they are clearly intervening and
[01:08:55] and of course Renee Good, uh, you know,
[01:08:57] drives perpendicular into blocking the
[01:09:00] street. Her partner was outside the
[01:09:02] vehicle taunting ICE agents.
[01:09:05] I think it's just obvious that these are
[01:09:07] behaviors aimed at interfering with law
[01:09:09] enforcement operations. And again,
[01:09:11] that's not justification for the
[01:09:13] behaviors of the ICE agents or anything
[01:09:15] else, but I think this effort to kind of
[01:09:18] strip away all that context and suggest
[01:09:20] that somehow these were, you know,
[01:09:22] observers or journalists that were that
[01:09:25] were keeping safe distance, it's just
[01:09:26] false. It's just not the case. I think
[01:09:29] the other part the other point I wanted
[01:09:30] to make about this is that there's two
[01:09:32] separate strategies that people should
[01:09:34] be aware of that left-wing activists
[01:09:36] use. One is nonviolent civil
[01:09:38] disobedience. Incredible tradition from
[01:09:40] Henry David Thro Mahatma Gandhi to
[01:09:42] Martin Luther King to nonviolent civil
[01:09:44] disobedience. I was involved in the
[01:09:46] first priority is to keep people safe
[01:09:48] and prevent any physical altercations or
[01:09:51] any conflict with law enforcement. Those
[01:09:54] efforts in fact should and do use a lot
[01:09:57] of communication between the protest
[01:09:59] leaders and law enforcement to avoid um
[01:10:02] any physical violence. The whole
[01:10:04] strategy is to be arrested. That's the
[01:10:06] point of it, but to be arrested in a
[01:10:08] peaceful way. What we're seeing in
[01:10:10] Minneapolis is not that strategy. It is
[01:10:12] a strategy aimed at provoking an
[01:10:15] overreaction. It's much more similar to
[01:10:17] the guerilla strategy that was developed
[01:10:19] by Fidel Castro and Chavara to overthrow
[01:10:22] the Cuban government, which is to make
[01:10:24] an attack and then get an overreaction
[01:10:26] from your opponent that hurts many
[01:10:28] people on your side deliberately in
[01:10:31] order to ferment a larger re, you know,
[01:10:34] revolution or reaction. Notably, that
[01:10:36] tactic, you know, it's it's a neutral
[01:10:38] tactic. It can be used by anybody. It
[01:10:40] was used by Osama bin Laden in attacking
[01:10:42] the United States on 9/11 to trigger an
[01:10:44] overreaction. That's precisely what
[01:10:46] occurred. So I think that that the
[01:10:49] tragedy here is both the deaths of these
[01:10:51] two individuals who I think are used as
[01:10:52] cannon fodder by the left-wing leaders
[01:10:56] of this movement. I mentioned before
[01:10:57] there was a manual that was being used.
[01:10:59] We now know there was a signal group
[01:11:01] that had at least a thousand people in
[01:11:02] it. We now know there's dem, you know,
[01:11:04] Democrat leaders in Minnesota had been
[01:11:06] calling for people to put their bodies
[01:11:08] on the line. That was the specific
[01:11:09] language of the lieutenant governor. And
[01:11:13] uh we've now seen other evidence come
[01:11:14] out. For example, there's a young
[01:11:16] reporter on the scene named Haley West.
[01:11:19] She was she documented on video how she
[01:11:22] was being followed by anti-ICE left
[01:11:25] activists in Minneapolis.
[01:11:27] And when she confronted them, they said
[01:11:29] that they had her driver's license or
[01:11:31] sorry, they had her license plate in
[01:11:33] their database. And she said, "Well,
[01:11:35] we're not ICE." And uh the response from
[01:11:39] one of those leaders I found so
[01:11:41] disturbing. It was bas I think he said
[01:11:43] get the f out of here. Um he was just
[01:11:46] basically commanding her to leave. He
[01:11:48] has no right to do that. He's not law
[01:11:49] enforcement. Uh these are people acting
[01:11:52] as though they have a private militia.
[01:11:54] That is a breakdown of order. The
[01:11:57] definition of having a functioning state
[01:12:00] is that it is the state is defined at
[01:12:02] least um by one of the great
[01:12:04] sociologists as the legitimate monopoly
[01:12:07] on violence. Well, they are trying to
[01:12:10] take the right take the the policing
[01:12:13] powers away from the state, take it upon
[01:12:15] themselves as left self-appointed
[01:12:17] leftwing activists. That's just straight
[01:12:19] up thuggery or gangsterism. And what's
[01:12:22] so disturbing about it is that you sort
[01:12:24] of say, well, we don't see any them
[01:12:26] using weapons or it's not armed. Well,
[01:12:28] they've created an entire militia
[01:12:30] structure with a a communication system,
[01:12:33] legal system, a policing effort. They're
[01:12:37] somehow able to run license plates.
[01:12:40] They're able to get information from
[01:12:41] rental car companies. Um, it's
[01:12:44] incredibly well organized and I think
[01:12:46] they got what they wanted in the sense
[01:12:47] that they got they got they got two
[01:12:49] people killed. they have uh successfully
[01:12:52] persuaded the media to focus extremely
[01:12:55] narrowly on the a particular moment and
[01:13:00] cut you know eliminate the broader
[01:13:01] context of the ways in which the left is
[01:13:04] using people as cannon fodder. The way
[01:13:06] in which the left is getting people
[01:13:08] killed. I think it's shameful. I think
[01:13:10] it's disturbing. It's frightening. I
[01:13:13] think that the Trump administration
[01:13:14] needs to exercise uh great care, greater
[01:13:17] care so as to not actually participate
[01:13:20] in the radical left's agenda to sew more
[01:13:24] discord to create more violence because
[01:13:26] I think so far they've succeeded in
[01:13:28] doing that. they've uh made the issue
[01:13:31] around you know ICE rather than about
[01:13:33] the fact that they've effectively got uh
[01:13:36] you know a militia structure organized
[01:13:38] in Minneapolis that is taking over
[01:13:42] normal policing functions and then
[01:13:44] sending out you know people to basically
[01:13:47] get hurt and killed and and disrupt
[01:13:48] operations that look at a legal level
[01:13:52] you know one might agree or disagree
[01:13:54] with what the with President Trump with
[01:13:56] his policies on migration
[01:13:58] with ICE enforcement, but the
[01:14:00] constitution is very clear. There's a
[01:14:02] supremacy clause. Whenever there's a
[01:14:04] conflict between federal law and state
[01:14:06] law, the federal law applies. There's no
[01:14:10] sort of debate about any of that. And so
[01:14:13] I I fear that unfortunately we're in a
[01:14:15] situation where the Trump administration
[01:14:17] finds itself in a bind where it's got a
[01:14:20] situation in Minneapolis that's spiraled
[01:14:22] out of control.
[01:14:24] But if it now, you know, runs away or
[01:14:27] backs off, then of course there's the
[01:14:28] risk of sending the message that really
[01:14:31] anything goes and that state and local
[01:14:33] authorities should have have supremacy
[01:14:35] over federal law. And I think that's an
[01:14:37] extremely dangerous precedent.
[01:14:40] I I it feels in some ways like the bill
[01:14:43] is coming due on a tab that we've been
[01:14:45] running for a long time where states
[01:14:48] have been in open violation of federal
[01:14:50] law for decades as sanctuary cities for
[01:14:52] example sanctuary states. The state of
[01:14:54] Oregon decriminalizes fentanyl. Lots of
[01:14:57] states decriminalize marijuana. But all
[01:15:00] of this is in contradiction
[01:15:03] contravention of federal law. Nobody
[01:15:06] does anything about it at all. So,
[01:15:08] should it really shock us if there's a
[01:15:10] city that decides to have its own
[01:15:12] militia, its own like private army?
[01:15:14] Like, that's not like a new development
[01:15:17] really, is it?
[01:15:19] >> Well, no. And I I think I'm sure you've
[01:15:21] had the experience, too, where you
[01:15:22] remember we remember back to 2020. And
[01:15:25] obviously the the killing of George
[01:15:27] Floyd is different than the killing of
[01:15:29] Alex Prey. But there's so many different
[01:15:31] similarities to this. I mean, the first
[01:15:33] one is that they're looking to create
[01:15:35] autonomous zones. Recall that they
[01:15:38] created an autonomous zone in uh
[01:15:41] Minneapolis, but they also created one
[01:15:43] in Seattle. The political leadership in
[01:15:46] Seattle, the mayor and the city council
[01:15:48] allowed that autonomous zone to exist.
[01:15:52] And so these autonomous zones are
[01:15:54] essentially I mean they're illegal
[01:15:57] seeding of power from the state, our
[01:16:00] democratically elected and controlled
[01:16:02] state to unelected
[01:16:05] left-wing activists, militias, and you
[01:16:08] know, two kids got killed. You know, two
[01:16:10] black kids got killed in the Seattle
[01:16:12] Autonomous Zone. It took the you know,
[01:16:14] they didn't even shut it down after the
[01:16:16] first kid was killed. They only shut it
[01:16:18] down after the second kid was killed.
[01:16:20] And so now we're doing it again. I you
[01:16:22] know I think it's it's very hard for for
[01:16:24] you know people to understand how
[01:16:26] important it is to have order and it was
[01:16:30] slow I was slow to come to this because
[01:16:31] of course when you focus on that
[01:16:34] specific incident you ignore the broader
[01:16:36] context. But when you go and essentially
[01:16:38] turn over several city blocks, when you
[01:16:41] allow, you know, riots night after night
[01:16:43] as Minneapolis did after the killing of
[01:16:46] George Floyd, uh you are abdicating your
[01:16:49] responsibility as uh responsible, you
[01:16:52] know, political officials who were duly
[01:16:54] elected by the people to keep them safe.
[01:16:57] It's essentially undermining not just
[01:16:59] lock but also hobbs which which says
[01:17:02] that we need to the first function of
[01:17:04] the state is for physical security. And
[01:17:07] so you're seeing a very disturbing, I
[01:17:10] think, partnership between these radical
[01:17:12] left activists who are interfering in
[01:17:15] law enforcement operations working with
[01:17:18] elected Democrat officials to
[01:17:20] essentially,
[01:17:22] you know, end or or sort of pull back
[01:17:25] from providing basic security to
[01:17:28] citizens and residents. It's it's hard
[01:17:30] not to look at this and feel like you're
[01:17:32] headed or we're headed towards some kind
[01:17:33] of civil conflict or civil war. you
[01:17:35] know, heaven forbid. But I think it's
[01:17:37] just I I can't underscore how dangerous
[01:17:39] and reckless the current situation is.
[01:17:42] You know, people, you know, the mark of
[01:17:44] a civilized society is that we protect
[01:17:46] our vulnerable, and we're obviously
[01:17:48] failing to do that.
[01:17:51] >> Well, Ka, I mean, I've I've seen it in
[01:17:54] person. The first victims of chaos are
[01:17:56] the are the defenseless or the weakest,
[01:17:58] of course.
[01:17:59] >> Um, and so, yeah, everything about it is
[01:18:01] is is evil. uh and certainly
[01:18:04] uncivilized. I wonder what the goal is.
[01:18:07] So clearly, you know, acquiring power is
[01:18:11] the short-term goal, but like what's the
[01:18:13] vision for the country that activists
[01:18:16] like this have? Like what are they
[01:18:18] working toward?
[01:18:20] >> Yeah. Well, that's the that's the right
[01:18:21] question. I think it's pretty clear.
[01:18:24] It's an agenda to essentially unmake
[01:18:27] Western civilization.
[01:18:29] The left has obviously not disguised it.
[01:18:31] It's had the goal, it's viewed Western
[01:18:34] civilization as having committed the
[01:18:36] sins of indigenous genocide, slavery,
[01:18:40] uh, you know, leading up to in the in
[01:18:42] this story, the Holocaust, nuclear
[01:18:44] weapons, it will all end in, you know,
[01:18:47] climate change, apocalypse or nuclear
[01:18:50] apocalypse. So these are extremely
[01:18:52] radical views that that come from the
[01:18:55] assumption, an a priori assumption. I
[01:18:57] mean this goes back to Rouso and through
[01:18:59] Marx and other radical thinkers that you
[01:19:02] know western civilization is evil that
[01:19:04] all of the problems that we have from
[01:19:06] inequality to suffering are a result of
[01:19:09] a particular system that we have that
[01:19:11] there's some radically different system
[01:19:12] we can put in place you know whether
[01:19:14] it's anarchism or communism
[01:19:17] or some other system they want to name
[01:19:19] where there won't be these problems so
[01:19:21] it's an extremely radical agenda um you
[01:19:23] know when I was on the radical left uh
[01:19:26] That was a very specific thing separate
[01:19:29] from the Democratic party. We thought
[01:19:30] the Democrats were sellouts. Uh we were
[01:19:33] all, you know, very far to the left of
[01:19:35] the Democrats. I think what we've seen
[01:19:37] that's maybe the most understudied and
[01:19:40] under theorized issue in political
[01:19:42] science is the radicalization of the
[01:19:44] Democratic party. And so you used to see
[01:19:47] the, you know, mainstream Democrats
[01:19:49] distancing themselves from this kind of
[01:19:51] radical behavior. Well, now they're
[01:19:53] participating in it. They're
[01:19:55] legitimizing it. Uh it's it's a you know
[01:19:58] extremely radical agenda. It's notable
[01:20:00] that you know in both the George Floyd
[01:20:01] and the Minneapolis case the argument
[01:20:04] that's being made by the left is that
[01:20:06] there's too much policing that there's
[01:20:08] too much law and order. And you know as
[01:20:11] you pointed out I mean we see it
[01:20:13] everywhere. I mean the and you know you
[01:20:15] lower the penalties and the consequences
[01:20:18] and the enforcement of laws around all
[01:20:20] sorts of crimes using drugs in public
[01:20:22] camping in public defecation.
[01:20:25] uh you know even things like you know
[01:20:27] reducing traffic stops. I think you were
[01:20:29] one of the first people to report on
[01:20:31] this actually results in more death. It
[01:20:34] results in more crime. And so you know I
[01:20:36] had a public safety officer from Denver
[01:20:39] actually who said to me he said you know
[01:20:40] he said Mike it's pretty simple. You get
[01:20:43] what you allow and so as soon as you
[01:20:46] stop enforcing certain laws you get more
[01:20:48] of those crimes. Like it happens right
[01:20:50] away. And so this is a very uh you know
[01:20:53] it's a very radical movement. It's not a
[01:20:55] reformist movement. No one's talking
[01:20:57] about reform. It's clear that people
[01:20:59] that are doing this, you know, believe
[01:21:01] in open borders, believe in mass
[01:21:03] migration. They're doing this to, you
[01:21:05] know, undermine
[01:21:07] uh, you know, controlling our own
[01:21:08] borders. They're obviously, you know,
[01:21:10] want to get rid of Trump at a minimum.
[01:21:12] But I think more maximally, you know, if
[01:21:14] you get a Democrat as president, I think
[01:21:16] we're going to see, you know, a kind of
[01:21:19] this kind of anarchy and chaos at the
[01:21:21] physical reality level and then at the,
[01:21:24] you know, level of the internet in terms
[01:21:26] of speech, you're going to get
[01:21:27] increasing censorship. So with this kind
[01:21:30] of chaos that gets created in the
[01:21:32] neighborhoods, it's a the only way you
[01:21:33] can sustain that is by controlling
[01:21:34] information and making people think it
[01:21:36] it's something that it's not. This
[01:21:38] obviously worked in terms of fueling the
[01:21:40] drug and homelessness epidemic. Um, I
[01:21:43] think it's also working now to make
[01:21:45] people think that somehow, you know, the
[01:21:46] underlying problem is law enforcement. I
[01:21:49] mean, it's so absurd. And that was the
[01:21:51] ideology that, you know, was behind
[01:21:53] Black Lives Matter. You know, an
[01:21:55] organization that, you know, falsely
[01:21:57] that spread disinformation, led people
[01:21:58] to believe that police brutality was
[01:22:01] increasing and also that there was
[01:22:03] greater use of of there great there were
[01:22:05] more police shootings of black Americans
[01:22:06] than white Americans. That was disproven
[01:22:09] by Harvard professor Roland Frier. Uh we
[01:22:12] knew that also just police killings like
[01:22:14] all killings had been going down since
[01:22:15] the 70s. So the entire thing was based
[01:22:18] on a lie. And so I think that's the
[01:22:21] that's the fundamental. You see the lie.
[01:22:23] There's, you know, many lies stacked on
[01:22:25] top of each other. One of the big lies
[01:22:27] is that civilization
[01:22:29] somehow hurts vulnerable people. Well,
[01:22:31] civilization is what protects vulnerable
[01:22:33] people. You know, this idea that law
[01:22:35] enforcement is is fascist. I mean, it's
[01:22:38] it's so offensive the comparisons
[01:22:40] between ICE and, you know, the Gestapo,
[01:22:43] the Nazis. I mean, you're comparing, you
[01:22:46] know, someone pointed out it's like
[01:22:47] migrants get, you know, illegal migrants
[01:22:49] get $3,500,
[01:22:51] you know, and a flight back home.
[01:22:54] They're have all their rights protected.
[01:22:56] They have better due process than I
[01:22:58] think any country in the world has ever
[01:23:00] offered migrants. We allow in more
[01:23:02] migrants than any other country in the
[01:23:03] world. The United States is the most
[01:23:05] anti-racist nation that's ever existed.
[01:23:08] So when they compare ICE to Nazis, I
[01:23:11] don't think it's just hyperbole, or at
[01:23:13] least if it started as hyperbole, it's
[01:23:15] become something much more dangerous,
[01:23:17] which is that it's basically saying that
[01:23:20] uh ICE officers and other law
[01:23:22] enforcement are worthy of being killed
[01:23:25] because the only proper treatment of
[01:23:27] Nazis, as you know, 80 years of
[01:23:29] Hollywood films and television and
[01:23:31] movies have shown, is to murder them.
[01:23:33] You know, that's what Quinton Teratino's
[01:23:36] Englorious Bastards is saying. And
[01:23:39] there's heroism and excitement and glory
[01:23:41] in that promotion of that idea. So, you
[01:23:44] put those two things together that the
[01:23:46] only proper treatment of Nazis and
[01:23:48] fascists is to murder them. And then you
[01:23:51] call law enforcement officials, your
[01:23:54] political opponents Nazis and fascists.
[01:23:56] Well, we shouldn't be surprised that we
[01:23:57] see, you know, two assassination
[01:23:59] attempts on President Trump, you know,
[01:24:01] the murder of Charlie Kirk and now, uh,
[01:24:04] you know, essentially turning, you know,
[01:24:06] leftwing, naive left-wing activists into
[01:24:10] cannon fodder essentially for these very
[01:24:13] radical goals. Um, unfortunately, it
[01:24:15] just keeps getting worse and I'm afraid
[01:24:17] we haven't hit the bottom yet. I don't
[01:24:19] know where the bottom is. Um, but I I
[01:24:21] don't think there's any question about
[01:24:22] what their what their goals are.
[01:24:26] I I mean maybe I'm too pedantic, but to
[01:24:29] hear people who worship violence
[01:24:32] describe themselves as non-violent
[01:24:34] activists grates on me since I believe
[01:24:36] in non-violent protests as a Christian
[01:24:38] strongly. I don't know if these same
[01:24:41] people were organizing protests against
[01:24:43] shoveling hundreds of millions to the
[01:24:45] Ukrainian war machine. I don't remember
[01:24:47] that part. I mean, do they have a
[01:24:49] history of of opposing? There's a lot of
[01:24:51] state violence that the United States
[01:24:53] sponsors around the world and I and I
[01:24:55] think it's a immoral. I think it's a
[01:24:56] crime. But I don't I don't hear these
[01:24:58] people worrying about that at all.
[01:25:01] Right. No, I mean yeah, it's an amazing
[01:25:04] it's a great point. I mean they're not
[01:25:06] they're they're doing they're their
[01:25:08] focus is on attacking the basic
[01:25:10] structures of civilization. And maybe
[01:25:14] the most basic structure is security.
[01:25:17] It's physical security. It's law and
[01:25:19] order. Another is maintain your borders.
[01:25:21] If you don't have, you know, borders
[01:25:23] that are wellmaintained, then you don't
[01:25:25] have a nation. It's just that simple. I
[01:25:27] mean, I'll I'll say something else,
[01:25:29] Tucker, which is that, you know, I think
[01:25:31] a year ago, shortly after the 2024
[01:25:34] elections, I found with many people on
[01:25:36] the left, both ones that I know
[01:25:38] personally and also just, you know,
[01:25:40] reading, there was a moment of, it
[01:25:42] seemed like we were headed towards a
[01:25:44] moment of introspection. There was some
[01:25:46] sense among, you know, mainline
[01:25:48] Democrats that they had been misled by
[01:25:51] the media which had claimed that Biden
[01:25:54] was fine, for example, and uh the border
[01:25:57] was they were doing everything they
[01:25:58] could to close the border. You know, you
[01:26:00] kind of get into January, February,
[01:26:01] Trump closes the border. Uh we know that
[01:26:03] Biden was not fine and I think there
[01:26:05] were some efforts to rethink things. Um
[01:26:08] sadly, that moment has passed and I
[01:26:11] think Democrats are more radicalized
[01:26:13] than ever. or they're more certain than
[01:26:15] ever about what they believe. They're
[01:26:17] really a very black and white way of
[01:26:20] thinking about these things. Uh they
[01:26:22] there's a real desire to I think they
[01:26:25] get swept up in in this desire to feel
[01:26:28] like heroes fighting against fascists
[01:26:30] and Nazis. It's just their comfort zone.
[01:26:32] It's where they just where they they're
[01:26:34] there. I mean, they don't they don't
[01:26:36] want to leave there.
[01:26:37] And so I'm afraid that uh all of that
[01:26:40] that moment of potential awakening or
[01:26:42] reckoning with just how radicalized the
[01:26:44] left had gone. I think that's all gone
[01:26:46] now. And you can see it in people like
[01:26:48] Gavin Newsome who you know at first you
[01:26:51] know had conversations with Charlie Kirk
[01:26:53] and uh with you know people on the right
[01:26:56] as a way to try to under apparently try
[01:26:58] to understand obviously in a
[01:26:59] performative way but nonetheless there
[01:27:01] was some sense in which that was good
[01:27:03] politics a year ago. Uh that's all gone
[01:27:06] now and now we're back to I just think a
[01:27:09] really profoundly anti-vilivilization,
[01:27:13] anti-American
[01:27:14] uh you know hatred and that that is
[01:27:17] giving them pleasure that they that they
[01:27:19] makes them feel important. It makes them
[01:27:21] feel powerful. gives our lives meaning
[01:27:22] and purpose and um you know that for me
[01:27:26] it just it's just a a huge concern
[01:27:29] because that's part of the forces that
[01:27:31] are leading us to I mean I think we just
[01:27:33] have to be honest about it that appears
[01:27:34] to be what's leading us towards civil
[01:27:36] war.
[01:27:38] >> Yes. And and I I do think people who are
[01:27:42] for civilization underestimate the
[01:27:44] seriousness
[01:27:46] of the of of these people. I mean
[01:27:48] they're serious and they're not stupid
[01:27:50] at all. I watched yesterday uh an
[01:27:53] anti-ICE protest forum in a small town
[01:27:55] thousands of miles over a thousand miles
[01:27:57] from Minneapolis and every it was not on
[01:28:00] social media and every woman in the town
[01:28:04] uh received a text about it,
[01:28:07] >> right? And that's how it was organized
[01:28:09] and so that make I watched it so that
[01:28:12] makes me think
[01:28:14] this is um this is not about those poor
[01:28:17] sad people getting killed. And I just
[01:28:20] want to say again how sad I felt
[01:28:21] watching those videos. I really did. I
[01:28:22] mean it too. But it's not really about
[01:28:25] that, is it?
[01:28:28] >> Well, no ex except for the part of the
[01:28:30] fact that it's that this is clearly the
[01:28:32] kind of this is the this is what they
[01:28:35] wanted. I mean they were inciting this.
[01:28:37] They're they're telling people to
[01:28:38] interfere with law enforcement
[01:28:40] operations knowing full well how
[01:28:42] dangerous that is. And so I think it's a
[01:28:44] mistake to view these things as
[01:28:45] unintentional. I I'm not saying that
[01:28:48] there were we're going to find messages
[01:28:49] with them saying we hope somebody gets
[01:28:51] killed, but the recklessness that they
[01:28:53] were advocating, I mean, again, it's
[01:28:56] like night and day when you look at the
[01:28:57] tactics being used by the anti-ICE left
[01:29:00] right now. And then you look at the
[01:29:03] >> really noble tradition of nonviolent
[01:29:05] civil disobedience, it's day and night.
[01:29:08] They really have nothing to do with each
[01:29:09] other. the tactics that are being used
[01:29:11] in Minneapolis now are just much more
[01:29:12] similar to what's being used for, you
[01:29:14] know, guerrilla warfare, for example,
[01:29:16] rather than um in the tradition of King
[01:29:19] Gandhi and Thorough.
[01:29:22] I think the Trump administration is in a
[01:29:25] very tough spot right now. I think they
[01:29:27] know they are. Um, I think for political
[01:29:31] and humanitarian reasons, for reasons of
[01:29:34] love of country, I'm being sincere, they
[01:29:36] want to fix this, but they, you know,
[01:29:39] but it's very it's it's complex at every
[01:29:41] turn. So, um, what would your advice be
[01:29:45] to the White House right now?
[01:29:48] >> Well, I thought they made a good step
[01:29:50] forward in trying to put somebody with a
[01:29:51] lot more experience in charge. I thought
[01:29:54] it was just outrageous that the
[01:29:57] secretary of homeland security uh
[01:29:59] Christy Gnome just got up there and
[01:30:02] trashed Alex Prey. You know, clearly it
[01:30:05] was
[01:30:05] >> I agree.
[01:30:06] >> Yeah, it was just uh obviously what she
[01:30:08] was saying was false and I I don't
[01:30:12] understand it. I mean I I found it, you
[01:30:15] know, dehumanizing and gross. Yes,
[01:30:18] >> I think uh
[01:30:19] >> I agree. good and pretty are victims of
[01:30:21] the left and that should have been what
[01:30:24] they said. And you know, look, it's just
[01:30:27] um
[01:30:29] I think there's a lot of way ask you to
[01:30:30] pause for one second. You all of us
[01:30:33] should have reverence in the face of
[01:30:35] death. We didn't create life. We can't.
[01:30:38] We're not capable of it. And when it
[01:30:40] ends, and I don't care who it is, we
[01:30:43] have to bow before the mystery of death
[01:30:46] and take it seriously. You can never
[01:30:48] mock someone.
[01:30:50] You know what I mean? There has to be
[01:30:51] even if it's your enemy, you have to
[01:30:53] take it seriously. And decent, civilized
[01:30:56] people, Christian people do take it
[01:30:58] seriously. And that's not trashing
[01:31:00] someone like that, especially if it's
[01:31:01] untrue. That is not the way. I just have
[01:31:04] to say that. I feel that.
[01:31:05] >> Yeah. I I totally agree. I think it's
[01:31:08] very hard for, you know, people
[01:31:10] certainly in the heat of the moment to
[01:31:12] deal with the fact that many things can
[01:31:14] be true at the same time. It was.
[01:31:17] >> Yes, that's right.
[01:31:18] >> Look, the ICE operations were just not
[01:31:21] obviously they were not well organized
[01:31:23] and they've had they've they've
[01:31:24] recruited a lot of people that don't
[01:31:26] have the experience they need. I mean,
[01:31:28] whenever things go terribly wrong, you
[01:31:30] know, including like, you know, in
[01:31:31] Uvalde, New Mexico or elsewhere, I think
[01:31:35] everyone wants to blame the individual
[01:31:36] officers and and they certainly have
[01:31:38] responsibility, but they're part of an
[01:31:41] institution and and the higher
[01:31:44] responsibility goes to the people in
[01:31:45] those institutions who had a job of
[01:31:47] training them and preparing them for
[01:31:49] that context. I think Alex Prey also has
[01:31:52] responsibility. It's very um there's a
[01:31:55] lot of demagoguery on this issue where
[01:31:57] you know I pointed out on X I'm like I
[01:31:59] think that you know women should have
[01:32:00] the right to walk through any
[01:32:02] neighborhood in America in scantily
[01:32:04] scantily clothed and I've fought to make
[01:32:07] that happen in California. That's one of
[01:32:08] the problems is that it's not safe to
[01:32:10] walk anywhere and increasingly in other
[01:32:12] parts of the United States it's not safe
[01:32:13] to walk anywhere. I'm also a father of a
[01:32:15] daughter. I'm a a professor now. I
[01:32:18] actually took my students, undergraduate
[01:32:20] students, you know, 19year-old students
[01:32:23] to interview uh people on the street
[01:32:25] here in Austin. They told stories of
[01:32:28] witnessing homicide, you know, drug
[01:32:30] dealing, assault, you know, is
[01:32:32] extremely, you know, it was a they're
[01:32:34] living in extremely violent, dangerous
[01:32:35] circumstances.
[01:32:37] And I take that responsibility very
[01:32:40] seriously of making sure those students
[01:32:41] are safe and understand my my
[01:32:43] surroundings. And that means that Alex
[01:32:45] [clears throat] Py also has
[01:32:46] responsibility. And it's certainly not
[01:32:48] speaking ill of the dead to say that um
[01:32:51] I I think he had no idea. I think he had
[01:32:53] a sense of entitlement that they were
[01:32:54] somehow he should be able to interfere
[01:32:56] in a law enforcement operation and have
[01:32:58] no consequences. Uh you know, again,
[01:33:00] it's not a justification for what
[01:33:02] happened to him. But I think people need
[01:33:04] to understand that you are responsible
[01:33:07] ultimately for your own physical
[01:33:08] security. And the first part of that
[01:33:10] physical security is where you put
[01:33:12] yourself. And that, you know, people
[01:33:14] because of Hollywood, I think they
[01:33:16] sometimes think it that your security is
[01:33:17] all about your ability to fight once
[01:33:19] you're in a dangerous situation or how
[01:33:22] to react in those situations. Uh, no,
[01:33:24] it's actually about not being in that
[01:33:26] situation in the first place. And we've
[01:33:28] got a situation here where you've got um
[01:33:31] leading Democratic officials in
[01:33:32] Minnesota. You have uh major NOS's in
[01:33:36] Minnesota. You have very skilled
[01:33:39] organizers that create manuals and have
[01:33:41] lawyers waiting who are encouraging
[01:33:44] people to interfere in law enforcement
[01:33:46] operations. It's grossly irresponsible.
[01:33:50] So I you know many things um are true at
[01:33:52] the same time and I you know we just
[01:33:55] have not seen you know I think we have
[01:33:57] not seen the left uh we have not seen
[01:34:00] Democrats and sadly I don't think we saw
[01:34:02] the Trump administration at its best uh
[01:34:05] over the last few days. I I think there
[01:34:06] is time to turn it around and I think
[01:34:09] Tom Hman is somebody that should bring
[01:34:11] that experience. Um, I have my own views
[01:34:15] of of how to kind of what should be the
[01:34:18] policies around migration and what to do
[01:34:20] about it, but I think the administration
[01:34:21] is pursuing a strategy to uh focus on
[01:34:24] the criminal element. Um, I think 64% of
[01:34:28] all of the ICE arrests and detainees
[01:34:31] since Trump took office had been people
[01:34:33] with uh either a criminal prosecution or
[01:34:37] charges against them. Uh, I think that
[01:34:39] like to see that number be even higher.
[01:34:42] um and you know much more care taken in
[01:34:44] these operations, much more focused. You
[01:34:47] know, I think you've got to find a way
[01:34:48] to get local police and state involved
[01:34:51] from the beginning. Otherwise, I I kind
[01:34:53] of wonder whether it should be done at
[01:34:54] all. Um again, you have federal
[01:34:56] supremacy, but but you know, we're
[01:34:58] trying to be practical here, too. So, I
[01:35:00] I hope it's a wakeup call for everybody.
[01:35:02] I know there was some calls between the
[01:35:04] president and the governor and the
[01:35:05] mayor. Um, you know, president was I
[01:35:08] think I will say again I think the
[01:35:10] president was elected on a particular
[01:35:12] agenda and it would be really a bad
[01:35:16] precedent for a president's agenda to be
[01:35:19] undermined by people that are pursuing a
[01:35:22] strategy uh to essentially, you know,
[01:35:25] break the law, violate the law, you
[01:35:27] know, undermine that strategy because,
[01:35:30] you know, we're a republic and, you
[01:35:31] know, the president was democratically
[01:35:33] elected and there's a lot of policies
[01:35:35] that a democratic act like the president
[01:35:37] might have that you don't like. But I
[01:35:39] think setting the president the
[01:35:40] president whereby you're going to
[01:35:42] abandon your policy agenda because uh
[01:35:46] you you've encountered violent
[01:35:48] resistance. I I worry about that a lot
[01:35:50] as a precedent and I'm sure the Trump
[01:35:52] administration is is as well. But I
[01:35:54] think you should be able to do both. I
[01:35:55] think you should be able to pursue your
[01:35:56] agenda and do a better job of of
[01:35:59] protecting and and maintaining security
[01:36:01] in those areas.
[01:36:05] You can imagine though that it might
[01:36:08] soon become impo I mean I don't know how
[01:36:10] you could continue doing the same thing
[01:36:12] if you're bumping up against
[01:36:15] local law enforcement that won't protect
[01:36:18] federal officers, local elected
[01:36:21] officials, statewide elected officials
[01:36:22] who are promoting the conditions that
[01:36:25] inevitably produce violence.
[01:36:28] I I I mean it it seems like if they keep
[01:36:31] doing what they have been doing without
[01:36:32] changing it at all, we're going to get a
[01:36:35] lot more
[01:36:37] Alex pretties and so should I mean is
[01:36:39] there like a a dramatic change in their
[01:36:43] approach that you think would work?
[01:36:46] I I mean I if I were advis you know I'm
[01:36:48] not advising them but if I were advising
[01:36:50] them I'd say you need to keep pursuing
[01:36:52] the agenda you were elected to pursue.
[01:36:54] You just need to pursue it in a better
[01:36:56] way. in a more you know practical uh
[01:37:00] safer way. I mean I think it's so
[01:37:02] interesting Tucker also I think under
[01:37:03] remarked upon is that the last time we
[01:37:06] saw I think this level of federal state
[01:37:08] clash was uh when you know Kennedy and
[01:37:12] Johnson were desegregating institutions
[01:37:14] in the south and they faced significant
[01:37:15] resistance.
[01:37:16] >> Yes. I think uh and they did not
[01:37:18] hesitate to use uh you know force to you
[01:37:21] know to send out the National Guard to
[01:37:23] protect children and students as they
[01:37:25] desegregated educational institutions. I
[01:37:28] think most people also recognize that
[01:37:31] some of those efforts did go too far.
[01:37:33] For example, the forced busing, you
[01:37:36] know, and you start to get to you start
[01:37:37] to have to kind of a practical view of
[01:37:39] this. I mean, at the end of the day, I
[01:37:41] think public opinion is paramount, you
[01:37:43] know, and as Lincoln says, you know,
[01:37:44] with public consent, you can do
[01:37:45] anything. Without it, you can't do
[01:37:47] anything. Um, so I think the
[01:37:49] administration has to keep that in mind.
[01:37:51] It is amazing. I mean, there's very
[01:37:54] large percentage support. I think
[01:37:55] somewhere around 70% support for closing
[01:37:58] the border, which the president did. But
[01:38:00] when you start to get these ICE raids,
[01:38:02] you know, I think support for those, you
[01:38:04] know, goes down to something like 40%.
[01:38:05] And I know the president's approval
[01:38:07] rating on on immigration has uh
[01:38:10] significantly declined. Um you know the
[01:38:13] president probably not going to change
[01:38:15] his ways at this point but I do think
[01:38:18] showing some genuine empathy uh and
[01:38:21] compassion. I mean I mean you felt the
[01:38:24] need to do this special on this which I
[01:38:26] think is really important. I agree on I
[01:38:27] felt the need to respond to it as
[01:38:29] quickly as I could. The president needs
[01:38:32] to address the country. I just think you
[01:38:34] need a Oval Office address at this point
[01:38:36] to, you know, explain to the public what
[01:38:38] he's trying to do. Um, you know, that it
[01:38:41] hasn't always been perfect, that he has,
[01:38:43] you know, feels the the pain of these
[01:38:45] deaths. uh at the same time, you know,
[01:38:48] he's pursuing a particular uh policy
[01:38:50] agenda that he was elected to pursue and
[01:38:53] it would be dangerous to not pursue that
[01:38:55] because uh of, you know, both mistakes
[01:38:58] at the federal level, but also through
[01:39:00] this violent aggression by these
[01:39:01] radicalized left groups. You know, I
[01:39:04] think we need to hear from him in a
[01:39:05] really in with a serious address uh from
[01:39:07] the Oval Office as soon as possible.
[01:39:11] >> Yeah.
[01:39:13] Michael Shelonburgger, thank you for
[01:39:14] your wise assessment of all of that and
[01:39:17] um I'm I'm grateful especially right
[01:39:19] now. Thank you.
[01:39:20] >> Thank you, Tucker.
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