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[00:00:00] Uh, and then after he died, after he was
[00:00:03] murdered, my team called and said, "Van,
[00:00:06] he was trying to reach you, man."
[00:00:10] What?
[00:00:12] And what was he doing?
[00:00:14] Dialogue.
[00:00:16] Uh, let's be gentlemen together. Uh, he
[00:00:19] says, "Let's disagree agreeably." So,
[00:00:23] I'm sitting on this and I'm watching the
[00:00:25] whole country talk about civil war,
[00:00:28] censorship,
[00:00:30] uh, uh, justifying murder about this
[00:00:33] guy. This guy is reaching out to his
[00:00:36] mortal enemy, saying, "We need to be
[00:00:38] gentlemen, sit down together, and
[00:00:40] disagree agreeably." And the next day,
[00:00:43] he's killed. And I've sat on it long
[00:00:45] enough, and I just said, "You know what?
[00:00:47] We're going to Memorial Weekend for this
[00:00:49] man. Uh, we disagree. Everybody knows we
[00:00:52] were not friends, okay, at all. But you
[00:00:56] praise the good when it's time to
[00:00:59] memorialize somebody. And what he did,
[00:01:01] and I didn't even know it, was good. He
[00:01:03] was not for violence. He was for
[00:01:05] dialogue, open debate and dialogue. Even
[00:01:07] with me. Even with me. His most public
[00:01:10] accomplishments were political.
[00:01:13] His most important were religious. He
[00:01:16] wanted to be remembered for his faith.
[00:01:18] He wanted to help as many souls to
[00:01:20] heaven as he could. If you want to honor
[00:01:23] Charlie, go to church, read the Bible,
[00:01:26] pray, and do it right now. Jesus called
[00:01:31] us to be salt and light. What does salt
[00:01:32] and light have in common? They change
[00:01:34] the environments they come in contact
[00:01:35] with. They don't conform. They don't
[00:01:37] affirm. They transform what they come in
[00:01:40] contact with. My question for you, are
[00:01:42] you transforming the environment you
[00:01:44] come in contact with, your place of
[00:01:46] work? Are you transforming your family?
[00:01:49] Are you trying to lift people up? Are
[00:01:50] you trying to reject evil? It says in
[00:01:52] the Psalms, Psalm 97:10. What do you
[00:01:54] want to be caught doing upon Jesus's
[00:01:56] return? Do not allow esquetology to be
[00:01:58] an excuse for you not to fight evil. Do
[00:02:00] not allow the signs of the times for you
[00:02:02] to be paralyzed, static, to not engage
[00:02:04] in the culture. We must challenge people
[00:02:06] to be greater, to reach higher, to be
[00:02:08] biblical, to be Christlike. And I'm
[00:02:10] telling you, this generation cannot just
[00:02:12] be the most conservative generation, but
[00:02:14] the most Christian generation as we
[00:02:16] continue to be salt and light in every
[00:02:18] single walk of our life.
[00:02:19] >> If everything
[00:02:21] completely goes away, how do you want to
[00:02:23] be remembered?
[00:02:24] >> If I die, everything just goes away. How
[00:02:26] would you if you could be associated
[00:02:28] with one thing, how would you want to be
[00:02:30] remembered?
[00:02:31] >> I want to be I want to be remembered for
[00:02:33] for courage, for my faith. That that
[00:02:35] would be the most important thing. Most
[00:02:36] important thing is my faith in my life.
[00:02:39] Charlie Charlieie Charlie.
[00:02:49] [Music]
[00:03:07] [Applause]
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[00:04:25] Every day there's a battle for your mind
[00:04:27] raging. Information coming from every
[00:04:30] angle with the will to deceive. Fear
[00:04:33] not. You found the place for truth. The
[00:04:35] voice of a generation that still has the
[00:04:37] will to believe in the greatest country
[00:04:40] in the history of the world. This is the
[00:04:42] Charlie Kirk Show. Buckle up. Here we
[00:04:47] go.
[00:04:48] Everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk
[00:04:51] Show. My name is Andrew Kovvet, the
[00:04:54] executive producer of this show, and I
[00:04:56] am joined by a dear friend of Charlie's.
[00:04:59] And I just tweeted this, and it couldn't
[00:05:02] be more true. Ali Beth Stucky, you were
[00:05:06] genuinely in a very very small group of
[00:05:09] people where throughout all the years of
[00:05:12] working with Charlie, if your name came
[00:05:13] up, he would just instantly say, "She's
[00:05:16] the best.
[00:05:16] >> Love Ally."
[00:05:17] >> Wow.
[00:05:18] >> You truly did earn Charlie's respect.
[00:05:20] And I think it's because of your faith,
[00:05:24] because you are so such a stalwart for
[00:05:27] defending it, for defending traditional
[00:05:29] values, for saying hard truths.
[00:05:32] >> And so it's it's a real honor to have
[00:05:34] you here, and I I saw you on Sunday. You
[00:05:38] were at the memorial, you went home, and
[00:05:39] then you came back. So
[00:05:41] >> yes,
[00:05:41] >> really really amazing of you to do that.
[00:05:43] >> It's such an honor to be here. And I've
[00:05:45] seen a lot of people say, my friends and
[00:05:47] people online say, "Okay, I knew that
[00:05:49] Charlie was a Christian, but I didn't
[00:05:51] know how much he talked about Christ. I
[00:05:54] didn't know how much he shared the
[00:05:55] gospel. I didn't know how much he cared
[00:05:56] about theology." And it was just really
[00:05:59] sweet to be able to say, "I did." Like,
[00:06:01] I did know that. I saw that up close. We
[00:06:04] went not only to a couple campuses
[00:06:06] together, but to churches together.
[00:06:08] Every time we talked, it would
[00:06:10] >> uh every time we talked, it would be
[00:06:11] about theology. It would be about weak
[00:06:14] pastors. what the church needs to do.
[00:06:16] And I'm like, I did I did see that. I
[00:06:19] got to see it up close and personal how
[00:06:21] much he cared about contending for the
[00:06:23] faith. And it really was a privilege.
[00:06:25] >> Yeah. Well, and you are sort of the
[00:06:27] perfect person to have on because
[00:06:30] >> so many people are talking about this
[00:06:33] memorial. Yeah.
[00:06:34] >> They saw the leaders of the free world
[00:06:36] talking about Jesus. They saw Don Jr.
[00:06:38] talking about Jesus.
[00:06:39] >> I know.
[00:06:40] >> Which, by the way, we were backstage and
[00:06:41] we were all kind of ribbing. are like,
[00:06:43] "Don, did you just did you just preach
[00:06:45] the gospel, Don Jr.
[00:06:46] >> A little bit?"
[00:06:47] >> And he a little bit and you could see
[00:06:49] that he has been changed by this and
[00:06:52] realizes the importance of it in a whole
[00:06:54] new way. I mean, Don was incredibly
[00:06:56] close to Charlie.
[00:06:57] >> Yeah.
[00:06:57] >> So, I I mean,
[00:06:59] >> the question is, you know, how big and
[00:07:02] how deep and how wide can this revival
[00:07:04] go? Because I do believe that we are in
[00:07:06] revival times.
[00:07:07] >> Yeah.
[00:07:07] >> And the question is,
[00:07:09] >> what happens next?
[00:07:10] Something that my audience has heard me
[00:07:12] say a lot, and I love to start out the
[00:07:14] week reminding people of this, that
[00:07:17] God's eternal plan of redemption is
[00:07:19] always going off without a hitch. That
[00:07:21] he's never looking down wondering what's
[00:07:24] happening. He's never confused. He's
[00:07:26] never thrown off. He's never taken a
[00:07:27] back. He's never surprised. He's not
[00:07:29] distant. He's not busy. But he is
[00:07:32] suspended in the eternal now. So God is
[00:07:35] not within the context of linear time
[00:07:38] like we are. So God is using actively
[00:07:41] all things throughout eternity for the
[00:07:43] good of those who love him and for his
[00:07:44] own glory. And clearly God had a plan
[00:07:48] far before Charlie was tragically
[00:07:51] assassinated. He was already working out
[00:07:55] all things for the good of those who
[00:07:56] love him. In fact, I think about the
[00:07:59] story of Joseph whose brothers were
[00:08:01] driven to jealousy and threw him in a
[00:08:03] pit and sold him into slavery. And then
[00:08:05] there was a caravan coming from Egypt
[00:08:08] and the brothers sold Joseph into
[00:08:10] slavery. And then of course, Joseph goes
[00:08:11] on to be a ruler of Egypt because of his
[00:08:14] faithfulness, he ends up helping save
[00:08:16] his own people, his own family from
[00:08:18] famine because of that position of
[00:08:20] power. But you think before Joseph was
[00:08:23] thrown into the pit, before he was sold
[00:08:25] into slavery, that caravan going to
[00:08:27] Egypt was already on its way.
[00:08:29] >> Like God already had the plan before
[00:08:31] that. And obviously I hate that the
[00:08:34] assassination of our friend was any kind
[00:08:36] of impetus for anything. I would have
[00:08:38] loved revival without that. And yet what
[00:08:41] we read about God is that he stops at
[00:08:43] nothing to bring glory to himself and to
[00:08:46] bring his sheep to himself. And we were
[00:08:48] talking off air, is this a revival? I've
[00:08:51] never said in my life, yes, I think so.
[00:08:53] But I do think so. Time will tell. We
[00:08:56] can talk about the fruits of a true
[00:08:57] revival. But I see it and I feel it. I
[00:08:59] felt it at the memorial. M
[00:09:01] >> the Holy Spirit was there. I felt it,
[00:09:03] >> man. I I I think it was Tucker Carlson
[00:09:07] of of all people. I saw him backstage
[00:09:09] and I was like, "What are you going to
[00:09:10] talk about?" He goes, "I'm going to talk
[00:09:11] about Jesus."
[00:09:12] >> Repentance.
[00:09:13] >> Yeah. And and and I was like, "You're
[00:09:15] going to talk about Jesus?" He's like,
[00:09:16] "Oh, yeah, baby." He's like, "It came to
[00:09:18] me in the shower." And I was like,
[00:09:19] "Okay, great." And and he gets up on
[00:09:21] stage. He's like, "You can feel the Holy
[00:09:22] Spirit humming like a tuning fork in
[00:09:24] here." And that was so spot on because
[00:09:27] as soon as you walked into
[00:09:30] >> the room, it was like the hairs on my
[00:09:33] arm stood up and I I got the chills and
[00:09:36] I walked in as a worship song was
[00:09:38] playing
[00:09:39] >> and every hand was like raised in the
[00:09:42] air.
[00:09:43] >> 70,000 people. There was 277,000
[00:09:47] devices that our team geo tracked in the
[00:09:50] in the vicinity. that that was a sea of
[00:09:53] humanity to get into that place and all
[00:09:55] of them I'm so sure were like moved in
[00:09:59] the spirit in that morning. So even if
[00:10:01] they couldn't get in there was I was
[00:10:03] hearing people were watching it on their
[00:10:04] phones and they were singing out on the
[00:10:06] streets.
[00:10:07] >> It was it was and there wasn't any
[00:10:08] fighting. There wasn't any shoving.
[00:10:10] >> Yeah.
[00:10:10] >> Nothing.
[00:10:11] >> The moment for me that I just lost it.
[00:10:14] Well, first of all, I walk in and I'm
[00:10:16] like, "This is amazing. Oh my goodness."
[00:10:17] And then I see some of my favorite
[00:10:19] people that I typically only get to see
[00:10:20] online. and I'm sitting next to Matt
[00:10:22] Walsh. Obviously, there's the cabinet
[00:10:24] right in front of me. And then it just
[00:10:26] hits me why I'm there. I'm like, well,
[00:10:28] this is amazing. But it also gosh, like
[00:10:31] I my heart just broke again about why
[00:10:33] we're there. But we were being led in
[00:10:35] worship Brandon Lake and he's singing
[00:10:38] and then he stops and the music keeps
[00:10:40] playing and spontaneously, I don't think
[00:10:42] that this was orchestrated in any way.
[00:10:45] Everyone just starts slowly lifting up
[00:10:46] their signs. And as people out there
[00:10:48] probably know, one says, "Send me, I'll
[00:10:50] go." The other red sign says, "Well
[00:10:53] done, good and faithful servant." And I
[00:10:55] look back on the stage, Brandon Lake is
[00:10:57] just sobbing. I am sobbing. And it was
[00:10:59] just one of those moments that I can
[00:11:01] only recall feeling a few times in my
[00:11:03] life where I felt tangibly and
[00:11:06] physically the Holy Spirit in that room.
[00:11:09] And that was one of the most beautiful
[00:11:11] moments I've ever been in. A foretaste
[00:11:13] of heaven. If you had told me that I get
[00:11:15] to worship and listen to the gospel
[00:11:17] preached, you know, not right next to
[00:11:20] Donald Trump, but alongside Donald Trump
[00:11:21] and all of these other people, I would
[00:11:23] have said, "Well, that's going to happen
[00:11:24] on the other side of eternity, not this
[00:11:26] one." But Charlie made that happen here.
[00:11:29] >> Yeah. And I'm going to play this clip
[00:11:31] because I think it's so powerful. Get
[00:11:33] cut 50 ready. This was this moment where
[00:11:37] I think you know when when the band
[00:11:39] stops their instruments and they just
[00:11:41] let the audience hold the tune and sing.
[00:11:43] Yes. And you could see
[00:11:45] >> this huge I mean tens and tens of
[00:11:48] thousands of people worshiping with
[00:11:49] their hands in the air. It was so
[00:11:50] powerful. Play cut. 50.
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[00:12:01] [Applause]
[00:12:04] I know it's not
[00:12:07] nothing else.
[00:12:10] [Music]
[00:12:17] [Applause]
[00:12:22] See one more time. So I throw my hand
[00:12:28] praise you again.
[00:12:35] [Applause]
[00:12:39] >> So good. Chills again.
[00:12:41] >> Chills again. Me too.
[00:12:42] >> I mean what a foretaste of heaven.
[00:12:45] >> Absolutely amazing. And I just think
[00:12:47] about all the people over the past few
[00:12:49] years who have criticized conservative
[00:12:52] Trumpup supporting Christians for being
[00:12:54] too loud, for being too political, for
[00:12:56] being too divisive. And they claimed
[00:12:59] that in order to win people to Christ,
[00:13:01] you had to compromise and you had to be
[00:13:03] quiet. You had to be what they called a
[00:13:04] soft presence. But in the end, revival
[00:13:07] was sparked by those who relentlessly
[00:13:09] pursued and represented the truth at any
[00:13:11] cost.
[00:13:12] >> That's well said about Charlie,
[00:13:15] actually. And you know, I'm I'm going to
[00:13:18] I'm just going to go for it here. There
[00:13:19] was a verse that has been sent to me
[00:13:21] more than any other,
[00:13:23] >> and I tweeted it this morning, and it's
[00:13:26] from Hebrews 12 1-4. Therefore, since we
[00:13:29] are surrounded by such a huge crowd of
[00:13:32] witnesses to the life of faith, let us
[00:13:34] strip off every weight that slows us
[00:13:36] down, especially the sin that so easily
[00:13:39] trips us up, and let us run with
[00:13:41] endurance the race God has set before
[00:13:43] us. We do this by keeping our eyes on
[00:13:46] Jesus, the champion who initiates and
[00:13:48] perfects our faith. Because of the joy
[00:13:51] awaiting him, he endured the cross,
[00:13:52] disregarding its shame. Now he is seated
[00:13:55] in the place of honor beside God's
[00:13:57] throne. Think of all the hostility he
[00:13:59] endured from sinful people. Then you
[00:14:02] won't become weary and give up. After
[00:14:03] all, you have not yet given your lives
[00:14:06] in your struggle against sin.
[00:14:09] We'll be right back. So good.
[00:14:11] [Music]
[00:14:31] boy for five hours. It's an incredibly
[00:14:34] difficult situation to end
[00:14:36] >> and I do want to see the wars end. I
[00:14:37] mean, you and I have agree an agreement.
[00:14:39] I happen to be on the pro-Israel side. I
[00:14:41] think what's happening to some of the
[00:14:43] civilians in Gaza is terrible. I want to
[00:14:45] see that come to an end.
[00:14:46] >> The rape and the murder and everything.
[00:14:47] Yes.
[00:14:48] >> Well, I I don't Do you have evidence of
[00:14:49] IDF soldiers raping women?
[00:14:51] >> There's a case with the radio rape and
[00:14:53] that was discussed in the Israel
[00:14:54] government, I do believe with some of
[00:14:55] their official members.
[00:14:56] >> I'm not aware of that, but yeah. So,
[00:14:58] sure. I of course I don't support that.
[00:15:00] >> My second main thing is I struggle to
[00:15:01] see how Trump is for like the lower
[00:15:03] class of people. We see like with this
[00:15:04] tax I know you've talked about a bit
[00:15:05] with this tax cut and hopefully that
[00:15:06] comes through and that helps us.
[00:15:07] However, the tax cuts that push for the
[00:15:09] top 1% of people compared to him cutting
[00:15:12] Medicare, Medicaid, and processes that
[00:15:13] help millions of Americans. I'm failing
[00:15:15] to see how that's and under the disguise
[00:15:18] of saying that is for money, but he's
[00:15:20] allowing less money.
[00:15:21] >> Let's go through the three things that
[00:15:22] Democrats are going to vote against. No
[00:15:24] tax on tips. That's a working class
[00:15:25] thing.
[00:15:26] >> No tax on overtime, no tax on social
[00:15:28] security.
[00:15:28] >> Those were big.
[00:15:30] >> Those three.
[00:15:31] >> And I'm okay with those. And he's
[00:15:34] actually proposing a tax hike on the 1%.
[00:15:36] I don't know if it's going to pass, but
[00:15:37] he has also pass. He's also suggested
[00:15:39] closing closing the carried interest
[00:15:41] loophole. So, there's a little more
[00:15:42] there than you might might always hear
[00:15:45] on the media.
[00:15:46] >> From my knowledge though, most of the
[00:15:48] tax bills that he has provided though
[00:15:50] largely favored the top percent over the
[00:15:52] middle class though, unless I'm wrong,
[00:15:53] but to my knowledge,
[00:15:54] >> no tax bill has passed.
[00:15:55] >> Yeah. Not this term, but in especially
[00:15:57] in like his past term, it was largely a
[00:15:59] middle class tax cut. But yes, you are
[00:16:01] not totally incorrect. wealthier people
[00:16:04] also paid less which by the way I I
[00:16:06] think less taxes for everybody is a good
[00:16:07] idea
[00:16:09] >> but then may I ask you what do you think
[00:16:10] about like his cutting Medicare and
[00:16:11] Medicaid that help millions of Americans
[00:16:13] >> that has not happened yet department of
[00:16:14] education
[00:16:15] >> all of this is an ongoing discussion so
[00:16:17] and also I would he's not touching
[00:16:19] Medicare at all Medicaid is very
[00:16:21] complicated there's a lot of fraud
[00:16:23] there's a lot of abuse there's a lot of
[00:16:25] double dipping so I do think we need to
[00:16:27] reform Medicaid Medicaid is a distinctly
[00:16:29] different thing than Medicare
[00:16:30] >> see I can agree with you on that on the
[00:16:31] reform part sorry However, he's hasn't,
[00:16:34] to my knowledge, he has yet to bring
[00:16:35] actually a plan of reform. I've talked
[00:16:36] about with some of my friends that are
[00:16:37] Republican as well, and they've said yes
[00:16:39] that Medicare has its issues. And I
[00:16:41] completely agree. I think a lot of our
[00:16:43] government needs reform. However, a big
[00:16:45] of my issue is he's yet to propose a
[00:16:47] plan to actually reform it. His main
[00:16:48] thing is just let's get rid of it, per
[00:16:50] se. Same with like Department of
[00:16:51] Education.
[00:16:51] >> He's not saying to get rid of Medicaid.
[00:16:53] That that is not correct. But we should
[00:16:54] get rid of the Department of Education
[00:16:55] for sure. Like that like 100% that
[00:16:57] >> ask why.
[00:16:58] >> Yeah. Well, since the Department of
[00:17:00] Education, have education standards and
[00:17:02] outputs gone up or down?
[00:17:04] >> I believe they've gone
[00:17:07] >> what standards you're talking about
[00:17:08] though.
[00:17:08] >> Everything. Reading scores, test scores,
[00:17:10] literacy are standing in the world. The
[00:17:12] Department of Education is the
[00:17:13] Department of Education Administration.
[00:17:15] There are 21 million people that work
[00:17:16] for the government in this country.
[00:17:18] >> 11 million of the 20 million work in
[00:17:20] education. Do you know 7 million of the
[00:17:22] 11 million are not teachers.
[00:17:24] >> They're administrators. They're desk
[00:17:26] workers. They're paper pushers. This is
[00:17:28] largely pushed by the Department of
[00:17:30] Education.
[00:17:30] >> It is the Department of Bureaucracy.
[00:17:32] >> Then why not reform instead of harm
[00:17:34] people in the process of trying to
[00:17:35] >> There is nothing good the Department of
[00:17:36] Education does that that cannot be sent
[00:17:38] to other departments.
[00:17:39] >> There you're telling me there's not one
[00:17:40] thing in the entire department of
[00:17:41] education of helping students
[00:17:42] whatsoever. Food
[00:17:44] >> that can't also be sent to other
[00:17:45] departments. See, that's the key. That's
[00:17:47] what you don't hear in the media. He's
[00:17:48] not getting rid of school lunches. He's
[00:17:50] sending that to the Department of
[00:17:51] Agriculture. He's not getting rid of
[00:17:53] student loans. He's sending that to
[00:17:54] Department of Treasury.
[00:17:55] >> But will it be handled properly?
[00:17:56] >> Better. Way better. What what do you
[00:17:58] what do you think a education bureaucrat
[00:18:00] or a a sophisticated financial expert at
[00:18:02] Department of Treasury is better at
[00:18:04] understanding student loans?
[00:18:05] >> Department of Treasury.
[00:18:07] >> So he's actually making it better and
[00:18:08] more efficient. So you think he's just
[00:18:10] deleting stuff. In reality, he's making
[00:18:12] things more efficient and sending them
[00:18:13] to other departments. Does that make
[00:18:15] sense?
[00:18:15] >> In a sense, I get that. But at the same
[00:18:17] time, the main worries are that there's
[00:18:18] no actual like solid concrete plan of
[00:18:21] like hope. You just don't know it.
[00:18:22] >> The entire thing is a big gamble. Same
[00:18:24] with our economy and the tariffs and
[00:18:25] everything. I think there's no plan, but
[00:18:26] you got to dig deeper, man. This is This
[00:18:28] administration is far more sophisticated
[00:18:29] than you think. You think that they're
[00:18:31] just shooting from the hip and that
[00:18:32] they're just doing random stuff. These
[00:18:33] are incredibly talented, smart people
[00:18:36] that have thought this through, that are
[00:18:37] very methodical in how they're going
[00:18:39] about.
[00:18:39] >> I believe it's Linda Mckennon,
[00:18:40] Department of Education Secretary.
[00:18:41] >> Linda McMahon.
[00:18:42] >> Linda McMahon,
[00:18:43] >> the WWE. Great.
[00:18:45] >> But you're But you're saying she's
[00:18:46] incredibly knowledgeable about this.
[00:18:49] >> She did run the SBA. She ran the Small
[00:18:51] Business Administration. That's big. She
[00:18:52] ran a multi-billion dollar business. I
[00:18:54] mean, then into the department of
[00:18:55] education which is a different stance
[00:18:57] though.
[00:18:58] >> Yeah. I mean who would you rather have
[00:18:59] run the department like a teacher's
[00:19:00] never run anything or someone who's run
[00:19:02] a multi-billion dollar business?
[00:19:03] Probably the business operator
[00:19:04] >> rather someone with a bit more education
[00:19:05] into actual education process.
[00:19:07] >> I'm not saying like a teacher had former
[00:19:08] teachers. Arie Duncan was the head of
[00:19:10] the department of education under Obama
[00:19:11] and he was a former teacher. He was a
[00:19:13] disaster.
[00:19:14] >> Our education department and our
[00:19:16] education standards in this country are
[00:19:17] some of the worst on the planet in the
[00:19:18] industrialized world. It's largely
[00:19:20] because we centralize things in DC that
[00:19:22] should be sent to the states and sent to
[00:19:24] parents and sent to families and local
[00:19:25] areas. And the president's making good
[00:19:27] on his promise to abolish the Department
[00:19:28] of Education.
[00:19:29] >> But in countries like in Europe, like
[00:19:30] Sweden, they have a much higher
[00:19:32] education level than we do. And they
[00:19:33] have a their government has a much more
[00:19:34] involved program in
[00:19:50] All right, welcome back to the Charlie
[00:19:51] Kirk Show. I'm Andrew Kulvet, executive
[00:19:54] producer, and I am of course with Alli
[00:19:57] Beth Stucky, who needs no introduction.
[00:19:59] >> Ally, you put out a tweet and an
[00:20:02] Instagram story, I believe, asking a
[00:20:04] really great question. I wish I would
[00:20:06] have thought about it. I might do the
[00:20:08] same. I might steal it because it's a
[00:20:09] beautiful thing to just reflect on.
[00:20:12] >> Who out there became Christians because
[00:20:14] of Charlie? either because of his life
[00:20:16] or in because of his death and they just
[00:20:18] discovered I I would love to know more
[00:20:20] stories like that.
[00:20:22] >> So you did that and what happened?
[00:20:23] >> I posted this on Instagram. My Instagram
[00:20:25] audience is very engaged. But when I say
[00:20:28] email me, a lot of times people just
[00:20:30] don't want to go through that barrier.
[00:20:32] So I just said, "Email this address if
[00:20:34] God used Charlie's voice to bring you to
[00:20:37] Christ." And I got probably a hundred
[00:20:40] emails and they're still coming in from
[00:20:41] people saying this is how God used
[00:20:43] Charlie's words. But one email really
[00:20:45] stuck out to me and it was from a woman
[00:20:47] named Jacqueline who said that she had
[00:20:50] been engaged in the new age and tarot
[00:20:52] cards in all kinds of witchcraft, but I
[00:20:55] won't give it away because we'll hear
[00:20:57] more from her and her story. Uh God used
[00:21:00] Charlie in a really big way in her life
[00:21:02] to bring her to Christ. And so yeah,
[00:21:05] really amazing.
[00:21:06] >> Well, we have her, I believe.
[00:21:07] Jacqueline, are you there?
[00:21:10] >> Hi. Good morning.
[00:21:12] >> There she is. Hey,
[00:21:14] >> thank you so much for
[00:21:15] >> Thank you so much.
[00:21:16] >> Yes. Well, thank you for taking the time
[00:21:18] to join us. Um, I would love to hear
[00:21:20] from you. Before we get to you being
[00:21:23] introduced to Charlie's content, can you
[00:21:25] tell us what your life was like before
[00:21:28] Christ? You told us a little bit about
[00:21:29] being engaged in the new age, but what
[00:21:31] did that look like?
[00:21:34] >> Yeah, I was definitely engaged in a lot
[00:21:36] of new age practices. Um, I attended
[00:21:41] monthly moon circles. I practiced a lot
[00:21:45] with crystals and I would, you know,
[00:21:49] read my oracle cards in the morning
[00:21:51] before starting my day. I had a number
[00:21:55] of tarot readings done. Um, trying to
[00:22:00] divinate answers and, you know, future
[00:22:03] possibilities. and I've had crystal
[00:22:06] healing um done. So yeah, I was
[00:22:10] definitely practicing a lot.
[00:22:11] >> And during that time, what would you say
[00:22:13] what would you say that you were
[00:22:15] searching for?
[00:22:18] >> I think I was always searching for
[00:22:20] something larger than myself. Um I
[00:22:24] wouldn't say that I didn't ever believe
[00:22:26] in God, like didn't like I always
[00:22:29] believed in God. I didn't push that
[00:22:32] thought away, but I guess I was looking
[00:22:34] for a way to come closer to God, and I
[00:22:38] thought that these practices would bring
[00:22:40] me there, but that that wasn't really
[00:22:44] the case.
[00:22:45] >> Yeah. At what point did you realize that
[00:22:47] engaging in that kind of witchcraft was
[00:22:51] not leading you to the happy,
[00:22:53] transcendent place that you were trying
[00:22:55] to go to?
[00:22:58] I think it it did take some time. Um I
[00:23:02] think my process has probably been over
[00:23:05] about three years or so. Um when I
[00:23:09] really started questioning things and
[00:23:12] there were a lot of different events in
[00:23:14] my life that
[00:23:17] led me to to that that I just kind of
[00:23:20] felt empty inside doing these practices.
[00:23:23] And I think a lot with new age, they're
[00:23:26] always kind of trying to tell you to do
[00:23:30] more shadow work, to dig deeper, to, you
[00:23:33] know, get rid of that darkness. But in
[00:23:35] turn, you're kind of feeding that
[00:23:38] darkness, and that's all you're ever
[00:23:40] focusing on. So it almost kind of
[00:23:43] becomes like a black hole that just
[00:23:45] sucks you into it.
[00:23:47] >> Wow. And were you did you consider
[00:23:50] yourself politically progressive at this
[00:23:52] time or did you not really think about
[00:23:53] politics?
[00:23:55] >> Um
[00:23:57] I definitely wouldn't consider myself
[00:23:59] progressive necessarily at that time. Um
[00:24:04] >> co really changed a lot of my opinions
[00:24:08] on politics. I would say that precoid I
[00:24:12] didn't really pay attention a whole lot
[00:24:14] to politics. Um, but COVID really opened
[00:24:18] my eyes to a, you know, a lot of issues
[00:24:21] and so I was definitely turning more
[00:24:24] conservative at that time, but I
[00:24:27] wouldn't have labeled myself either way.
[00:24:29] I kind of was just in a neutral place.
[00:24:32] >> Right. And it was your husband who
[00:24:35] started watching Charlie Kirk's videos
[00:24:38] that let you know about Charlie's
[00:24:41] content. And what you told me is that
[00:24:43] you were very off-put by Charlie at
[00:24:45] first. Is that right?
[00:24:48] >> Definitely.
[00:24:49] Um I think my husband watched a lot of
[00:24:53] the prove me wrong videos and a lot of
[00:24:56] the college campus videos and it was
[00:25:00] definitely off-putting because it
[00:25:04] was kind of pointing out all of the
[00:25:06] things that I wasn't necessarily
[00:25:09] thinking deeper about. and I was kind of
[00:25:12] just taking a surface perspective on it.
[00:25:15] And I think a lot of the conversations
[00:25:17] that Charlie has you have to dig deeper
[00:25:20] with and there's a lot of nuances and so
[00:25:24] it's better in a long form rather than,
[00:25:26] you know, just little snippets that you
[00:25:29] see.
[00:25:29] >> Jacqueline, it's Andrew, sorry to chime
[00:25:31] in here. We're going to take a quick
[00:25:32] radio break, but we're going to keep
[00:25:34] going on the stream. We'll be right
[00:25:35] back.
[00:25:47] All right, Jacqueline, we are going to
[00:25:49] continue and I don't want to interrupt
[00:25:51] you and Ally's conversation anymore cuz
[00:25:53] I'm riveted. So, please go.
[00:25:55] >> Yes. Okay. So, do you remember anything
[00:25:57] specific from Charlie that uh you were
[00:26:01] like, "Okay, I've never heard that
[00:26:02] before or that kind of offends me. That
[00:26:04] rubs me the wrong way."
[00:26:07] I'd have to say that the main issue that
[00:26:10] really started to change my thought
[00:26:13] pattern was the issue surrounding
[00:26:15] abortion.
[00:26:17] >> Yeah.
[00:26:17] >> Um I'd always been really pro-choice. Um
[00:26:22] I was quite liberal in my, you know, my
[00:26:24] early 20s. Um and then I had a son and I
[00:26:31] was already kind of changing my views on
[00:26:34] it. But just hearing,
[00:26:37] you know, the passion behind it and
[00:26:40] really kind of like the logical sequence
[00:26:43] of it all, like, you know, how
[00:26:46] how can we do that? It's
[00:26:50] >> Yeah, that that that issue right there
[00:26:52] was definitely the one that really
[00:26:54] started to make me think deeper.
[00:26:56] >> Yeah. Gosh, he was so good at defending
[00:26:59] life. One of the very best. I mean,
[00:27:01] >> Yeah.
[00:27:01] >> Yeah. And I I by the way I just love
[00:27:03] that at first Jacqueline you you were
[00:27:06] repelled by it which I think is super
[00:27:08] normal by the way because you know I
[00:27:11] personally believe Charlie was a modern
[00:27:15] prophet
[00:27:16] >> in the biblical sense. I'm not talking
[00:27:17] about fortuneelling or predicting the
[00:27:19] future in the sense that you know Jesus
[00:27:21] said the prophets that's why they killed
[00:27:23] them because he he called a nation to
[00:27:26] repent. He he so he speaks this truth
[00:27:28] bluntly without pulling any punches.
[00:27:30] That was Charlie's way. It was
[00:27:31] completely unvarnished truth. And it
[00:27:33] strike when you're not exposed to the
[00:27:36] truth and you you don't have ears to
[00:27:38] hear it, it it you you're confronted by
[00:27:40] it. And I think the the flesh wants to
[00:27:43] fight it. It wants to push back and say,
[00:27:45] "You're wrong. This guy's awful."
[00:27:46] >> And we've all done that.
[00:27:47] >> Yes. But then when and then all of a
[00:27:49] sudden your heart starts opening up and
[00:27:51] the Holy Spirit starts working on you.
[00:27:52] It's like then you have eyes to see.
[00:27:54] Then you have ears to hear. And I just
[00:27:56] can't tell you how many people have that
[00:27:59] same exact experience with Charlie. But
[00:28:01] I also think it's why he's so
[00:28:03] misunderstood by the left. They they
[00:28:05] just their hearts are hardened to
[00:28:07] hearing those truths that come from
[00:28:08] scripture.
[00:28:09] >> Yeah. But you didn't allow your heart to
[00:28:11] stay hardened or God did it. God
[00:28:13] softened your heart. So can you tell us
[00:28:15] about that? The more that God was
[00:28:17] working in you, the more you watched
[00:28:19] Charlie's content, just tell us about
[00:28:21] that change in your life.
[00:28:25] Um, yeah. So, as I said before, it
[00:28:27] definitely took time. And I mean, I'm
[00:28:31] I'm
[00:28:32] still learning. I'm still exploring. Um,
[00:28:35] I feel, you know, really new on this
[00:28:38] journey. It's really only been about a
[00:28:41] year or so that I've kind of solidified
[00:28:44] that belief in myself. And I've just
[00:28:47] kind of had a hunger to learn more and,
[00:28:50] you know, to open my Bible and and read
[00:28:53] the Bible and read the word. And um
[00:28:56] yeah, it really was just kind of like a
[00:28:58] number of events that happened in which
[00:29:02] I got tired of holding all of that
[00:29:04] burden and I really needed to release it
[00:29:08] over to something greater than myself.
[00:29:11] And and that's really, you know, that's
[00:29:13] really where Jesus came into my life.
[00:29:16] Wow. And now you wrote to me. You are
[00:29:21] reading your Bible. You're attending
[00:29:22] church. You are now a gospel believing
[00:29:26] Christian. No more tarot cards. No more
[00:29:28] witchcraft. That's amazing.
[00:29:31] >> No. All of that. As soon as I decided it
[00:29:34] all went into the garbage, I threw
[00:29:36] >> wow
[00:29:36] >> every I went through my house and threw
[00:29:38] absolutely everything away and and just
[00:29:41] didn't really want to have any part to
[00:29:43] do with it.
[00:29:44] >> Well, praise God. Thank you so much,
[00:29:46] Jacqueline, just for reaching out to me,
[00:29:47] for your boldness, for your testimony to
[00:29:50] the Lord's power, but also to Charlie's
[00:29:52] influence. I really appreciate you. God
[00:29:54] bless you and your family, especially in
[00:29:56] your growth in your Christian walk. I
[00:29:57] appreciate you.
[00:29:59] >> Thank you so much. I feel so honored to
[00:30:01] be on here.
[00:30:02] >> Praise God. Thank you.
[00:30:04] >> Well, I for one am very hopeful that
[00:30:08] Jacqueline's story will be multiplied by
[00:30:10] the millions. And I believe it. I mean,
[00:30:12] we had over a hundred million that we
[00:30:13] know of. And that's just on the live
[00:30:15] streams for Charlie's memorial. That's
[00:30:17] insane. I know. And that and that's not
[00:30:19] counting broadcast clips, all that
[00:30:20] thing. So just multiply that by
[00:30:23] >> who knows how. Who knows?
[00:30:24] >> Uh we're going to take a quick break and
[00:30:26] we have a another guest in studio. So
[00:30:27] we'll be right back for radio. Don't go
[00:30:29] anywhere.
[00:30:29] >> Yep.
[00:30:43] Yeah, but like for example, supplying
[00:30:45] more weapons like there's like
[00:30:47] >> that's that's a that's a no-go for us.
[00:30:48] >> But but why can't you supply more
[00:30:50] weapons as long as Putin doesn't agree
[00:30:52] to a ceasefire? I'm great because I
[00:30:54] would think I think
[00:30:55] >> we have a different view of the war than
[00:30:56] Biden. We don't think it's primarily
[00:30:58] America's responsibility to hold up
[00:31:00] Ukraine.
[00:31:01] >> Okay, I I agree with that.
[00:31:02] >> So we just have a different philosophy.
[00:31:03] >> Okay, that's fine. But like you bordered
[00:31:05] on the horrible M.
[00:31:21] All right, welcome back to the Charlie
[00:31:23] Kirk show. It's Andrew Kulvet, Charlie's
[00:31:27] executive producer, Alli Beth Stucky,
[00:31:29] and I you know, you need no
[00:31:30] introduction, but I'm going to let you
[00:31:32] introduce our next guest who's in studio
[00:31:35] with us.
[00:31:35] >> Yes. Pastor Costy Hen, I knew when I was
[00:31:38] uh co-hosting this with Andrew that I
[00:31:41] wanted to bring you in because you're
[00:31:43] local, you're a pastor, and I want you
[00:31:45] to introduce yourself a little bit more
[00:31:47] and then we're going to talk about
[00:31:48] revival and what it means to be a
[00:31:49] Christian.
[00:31:50] >> Yeah. So, I get the privilege of
[00:31:52] pastoring not far from here, actually.
[00:31:53] It was what 12-minute drive over to to
[00:31:55] the studio. Grateful. And uh
[00:31:58] >> been pastoring a church called
[00:31:59] Shepherd's House for just over three
[00:32:01] years. God's done some pretty amazing
[00:32:03] things here in the desert and it's
[00:32:05] thriving. And then I get the privilege
[00:32:07] of leading a ministry called For the
[00:32:10] Gospel. It's an online uh resource
[00:32:12] ministry and it our tagline is sound
[00:32:14] doctrine for everyday people. also
[00:32:16] thinking of your guest that you just had
[00:32:18] on.
[00:32:18] >> I mean, I love bringing the cookies down
[00:32:20] from the top shelf and explaining truth,
[00:32:23] theology, and helping people grow in
[00:32:24] their faith.
[00:32:25] >> That's one thing that you and Charlie
[00:32:27] had in common, taking the cookies down
[00:32:29] from the top shelf. So, making things
[00:32:31] really simple.
[00:32:31] >> Charlie boiled things down in the most
[00:32:33] in the simplest terms. I mean, he had a
[00:32:35] a brilliant intellect and he I mean, he
[00:32:39] could have used, you know, $100 words
[00:32:43] when, you know, a dollar would work or
[00:32:45] five cents, but he he chose not to
[00:32:47] because he was so linked to the people
[00:32:49] and the grassroots and the mus and he
[00:32:51] and he just had a way of distilling
[00:32:53] everything and just these blunt terms
[00:32:54] and it was always so right on. I have a
[00:32:57] is it okay if I Yeah, I just have a like
[00:33:00] outside looking in. How has everything
[00:33:03] that you've seen in the last, you know,
[00:33:05] 13 days,
[00:33:07] >> how has it impacted you and what have
[00:33:09] you seen at your church?
[00:33:10] >> Yeah, so obviously the personal emotion
[00:33:12] element is huge. You watch everything go
[00:33:15] down and you're kind of gut punched cuz
[00:33:17] I grew very familiar with his voice and
[00:33:20] all the content that TPUSA puts out and
[00:33:23] what Charlie was doing and even the
[00:33:24] excitement of this probably last year.
[00:33:27] you you would know more obviously being
[00:33:29] so close to him and seeing it. But I
[00:33:31] noticed a a clear shift. It wasn't mere
[00:33:34] politics. The guy was a biblical
[00:33:37] flamethrower. He was unleashing truth.
[00:33:39] He was interacting. It was the college
[00:33:40] campuses that ignited so much of this.
[00:33:42] So we're all fired up. Our church loves
[00:33:44] him. So many of the young people and
[00:33:45] then you see this. So gut punch. And
[00:33:47] then our office came to a standstill
[00:33:49] that day. And we have a couple of guys,
[00:33:51] military guys and a few others on our
[00:33:53] staff. They were all there that day. And
[00:33:55] we just stopped what we were doing. And
[00:33:56] we immediately prayed prayed for him,
[00:33:58] prayed for Erica, the kids, you guys.
[00:34:01] And it's a lot of emotion. And then it
[00:34:03] it was about an hour later and our team
[00:34:06] at for the gospel said, "Hey, do you do
[00:34:08] you want to say anything?" And things
[00:34:10] were starting to kind of unfold and I
[00:34:12] was keeping up with Ali Beth and
[00:34:13] everything that was going on. And
[00:34:15] everything in me thought, "No, I don't
[00:34:17] want to say anything. I'm numb. I'm
[00:34:19] speechless. I don't even know what to
[00:34:20] say." And then I thought, "Nope, I have
[00:34:22] a responsibility as a shepherd, as a
[00:34:24] leader, as a pastor. I got to say
[00:34:26] something. And so took some time,
[00:34:28] prayed, and then we put out kind of five
[00:34:31] truths to hold to when wickedness is
[00:34:34] unleashed essentially and when these
[00:34:36] kind of things happen. And it just bea
[00:34:38] became about shephering for us. People
[00:34:40] in our church were rocked. We had so
[00:34:42] many folks there on Sunday and we love
[00:34:46] and loved what you guys were doing and
[00:34:48] are doing. Love and loved Charlie. And
[00:34:50] so we are also seeing a lot of
[00:34:53] excitement and a lot of passion. And so
[00:34:55] you're living in this really beautiful
[00:34:56] and difficult tension of mourning and
[00:34:58] sadness and sorrow. And then you're
[00:34:59] going, "Wait a minute. I don't have a
[00:35:01] lot of time, not not to grieve, but I
[00:35:04] don't have a lot of time to sit around
[00:35:05] and wallowing and and get in online fist
[00:35:07] fights and and get all down the drama
[00:35:09] trail cuz people are showing up going,
[00:35:11] I'm rocked because of Charlie. I'm here.
[00:35:13] I want to follow Christ. What do I do?"
[00:35:15] And and you are right back in the
[00:35:18] saddle. And it it kind of speaks the way
[00:35:19] he was
[00:35:20] >> in many ways.
[00:35:22] Get on the plow. Get after it. There's
[00:35:25] people to serve. Not like the show goes
[00:35:28] on in a callous or emotionless way. It's
[00:35:30] like, hey, we have a gospel to preach, a
[00:35:32] Jesus to serve, and people to reach. So,
[00:35:35] get after it. So, you're you guys are
[00:35:37] living this right now as well. It's
[00:35:39] you're you're onward, but you're you're
[00:35:41] feeling it. So, we've been similar.
[00:35:43] >> Okay. We were talking about revival, and
[00:35:45] a lot of people have been using that
[00:35:47] word, and certainly at the memorial, it
[00:35:49] felt like a big revival in a lot of
[00:35:51] ways.
[00:35:52] What is a revival though? Like what can
[00:35:54] we look for to see the true fruit of an
[00:35:58] actual revival? Not just an emotional
[00:36:00] experience, but a real resurgence and
[00:36:02] true repentance and faith.
[00:36:04] >> Yeah. So, two words that I've been
[00:36:06] using, not interchangeably, but
[00:36:08] distinct.
[00:36:09] >> Revival and renewal.
[00:36:11] >> So, revival is to bring alive something
[00:36:13] that was dead.
[00:36:14] >> So, that is your new believers, people
[00:36:17] getting saved, people coming to faith.
[00:36:18] They were absolutely agnostic. They were
[00:36:21] detached. They were indifferent. And
[00:36:22] then all of a sudden they come alive.
[00:36:23] There's a revival. Something dead now
[00:36:25] alive.
[00:36:26] >> Renewal is like when you renovate your
[00:36:29] house. The house isn't rebuilt.
[00:36:32] >> But you're renewed. We have both
[00:36:34] happening right now.
[00:36:35] >> The clear fruit of a revival is going to
[00:36:38] be genuine conversion. So real gospel
[00:36:40] preaching, not just, you know, oh, I
[00:36:42] want to get back to God or I I just want
[00:36:45] to be more conservative. Those things
[00:36:46] are fine. When people want to turn back
[00:36:48] to God, we need to define that. People
[00:36:50] want to be more conservative. I saw some
[00:36:52] folks posting and saying, "I'm
[00:36:53] officially leaving the left. I'm going
[00:36:56] right. I'm done with this." And
[00:36:57] everyone's like, "Yeah, okay." Not fully
[00:36:59] the goal here. And Charlie and all you
[00:37:01] guys would say the same thing. Not the
[00:37:02] goal. The goal is heart transformation,
[00:37:04] turning to Christ, not merely
[00:37:06] conservatism. So revival is that which
[00:37:08] is dead coming alive. Genuine free fruit
[00:37:11] being love for the gospel, love for the
[00:37:13] Lord, and then faith exploding. We don't
[00:37:16] care what you say. Hey, we'll do it in
[00:37:18] love, but we're going to be bold. We
[00:37:20] don't care what happens to us. We care
[00:37:23] about life and one another, but
[00:37:24] ultimately our allegiance is to Christ.
[00:37:26] And what you have is this surge of
[00:37:28] church attendance, not because church
[00:37:30] saves you, but because people want to
[00:37:32] hear the truth. Yeah.
[00:37:33] >> You get this surge in evangelism. We've
[00:37:35] got people in our in our church. I was
[00:37:36] with a group of men this morning. We
[00:37:38] have this large Bible study, and it got
[00:37:39] larger this week. Got dudes that are
[00:37:42] bringing their neighbors, guys that are
[00:37:44] coming out of the woodworks, people
[00:37:45] going, "Man, I've been thinking about
[00:37:47] this for a while." And then others
[00:37:49] saying,
[00:37:49] >> "Praise God,
[00:37:50] >> I don't know what happened to me, but
[00:37:52] I've been waking up every day saying
[00:37:55] >> that Charlie Kirk guy was on to
[00:37:56] something." So, I went down the rabbit
[00:37:58] trail and I realized I I want to believe
[00:38:00] in Jesus Christ. So revival will result
[00:38:02] in that true fruit and renewal will
[00:38:05] result in old school or maybe we'll call
[00:38:08] them seasoned believers and people
[00:38:10] who've been a little dry spiritually
[00:38:12] >> going this is what that's right I forgot
[00:38:15] this is what we need to be living for
[00:38:17] what are we doing on cruise control
[00:38:18] let's go and so both and does that make
[00:38:21] sense
[00:38:21] >> it does and first I want to speak to the
[00:38:24] new Christians because there's a lot of
[00:38:26] people out there I'm sure Andrew has
[00:38:27] been getting these
[00:38:28] >> tweets and these emails too okay I'm a
[00:38:30] new Christian. What do I do? Like, I
[00:38:33] want to go to church. I want to read the
[00:38:34] Bible. But some of these people I've
[00:38:36] I've seen I saw a post from an atheist
[00:38:39] woman that I've been following for a
[00:38:40] long time. We've gone back and forth a
[00:38:41] few times and she was raised an atheist
[00:38:44] and she knows nothing about it, but she
[00:38:46] went to church and she's like, "It was
[00:38:48] so foreign to me and I don't know what
[00:38:50] to do with myself." So, first let's
[00:38:52] speak to the new Christians. What do you
[00:38:53] do now?
[00:38:54] >> Okay. So, I made a little list cuz I
[00:38:56] kind of knew we were going to talk about
[00:38:57] this.
[00:38:58] >> I know. And you're so good at making
[00:38:59] lists. You really are
[00:39:00] >> very organiz I can see it. I can't see
[00:39:02] it on camera, but this is an organized
[00:39:04] brain.
[00:39:05] >> I love my lists because it drives me
[00:39:07] crazy when my own kind like
[00:39:08] theologizers, pastors, and the use big
[00:39:11] words, use $100 words when a $1 word
[00:39:13] like, "Come on, man. Give me the list.
[00:39:14] What do you do? I'm in. Let's go." So,
[00:39:16] number one, I would say be grounded in
[00:39:18] scripture. So, we want people reading
[00:39:20] the word of God. And you don't go off
[00:39:21] like a kind of a a spray or a mist just
[00:39:24] all everywhere. Go somewhere specific.
[00:39:27] So, the Gospel of John is a great place
[00:39:29] to start reading the read.
[00:39:30] >> What kind of Bible? Can they just get a
[00:39:32] Jesus calling? Can they just get
[00:39:33] >> Oh, I love that. Love that. Let's go
[00:39:35] even further deep into the root.
[00:39:36] >> Well, we had we I saw that one of the
[00:39:38] comments uh one of my tweets. I was
[00:39:39] like, "Oh, Ally, chime in on that."
[00:39:41] Like, so somebody was asking, "I need a
[00:39:43] new believer Bible. What do I get?"
[00:39:44] >> I said ESV Study Bible, but I would love
[00:39:46] for you to
[00:39:47] >> ESV Study Bible and NASB Study Bible.
[00:39:49] Those are going to be two really good
[00:39:51] translations.
[00:39:52] >> Those are just translations. They all
[00:39:54] have the same idea, but ESV is a little
[00:39:56] more literal than an NIV.
[00:39:58] >> Your English Standard Version or your
[00:40:00] New American Standard Bible. And there's
[00:40:02] some fun particulars in those. Like, for
[00:40:04] example, the NASB will put exclamation
[00:40:06] points where the Greek is exclamatory.
[00:40:08] So, when you're reading, you're like,
[00:40:09] "Oh, that's a fired up statement right
[00:40:11] there versus just a basic." So, start
[00:40:13] with a a good like word for word type of
[00:40:15] translation, ESV or NASB. And then from
[00:40:19] there, a study Bible is really helpful.
[00:40:21] I watched a clip of you and Charlie
[00:40:22] talking and he was like, "John MacArthur
[00:40:24] is one of the he's got to be one of the
[00:40:26] best Bible teachers on the planet right
[00:40:27] now." And there's some some guys that
[00:40:29] have good study Bibles like that where
[00:40:31] they have notes in the bottom and it
[00:40:33] just offers clarification. So people can
[00:40:35] read the Gospel of John.
[00:40:37] >> John wrote so that you would believe.
[00:40:39] And so why wouldn't you want to read
[00:40:41] that? Another book that I think is
[00:40:43] really helpful right now especially
[00:40:45] would be the book of Ephesians. They're
[00:40:46] really letters. So, the letter of
[00:40:48] Ephesians, and the reason I say that is
[00:40:50] I preach through Ephesians as the first
[00:40:52] book we went through as a church plant.
[00:40:54] So, rookies, newbies, because it covers
[00:40:56] the gospel. Yes.
[00:40:57] >> It also covers essentials like prayer,
[00:41:01] the Holy Spirit, who is Jesus, and unity
[00:41:04] in the church. But then it gets really
[00:41:05] fun. Chapter 4 kind of turns and it's
[00:41:08] like beyond church leadership into
[00:41:09] chapter 5 and it starts talking about
[00:41:11] marriage, relationships, work, life. And
[00:41:14] you're going, "Oh, that's really
[00:41:15] parenting." your mouth, how you talk,
[00:41:18] how you think, and then spiritual
[00:41:19] warfare in chapter six. And because I
[00:41:22] believe that we are to live as people at
[00:41:24] war, not a physical war per se, but a
[00:41:26] spiritual war. And so the book of
[00:41:28] Ephesians, and then last tip on that,
[00:41:30] the book, the letter of Psalms, so all
[00:41:33] of the Psalms and then Proverbs, because
[00:41:35] Psalms will offer you glimpses of hope,
[00:41:39] praise, also pain. You have David going
[00:41:42] through loss and he cries out to God.
[00:41:43] And then injustice when the wicked do
[00:41:45] things. David prays big theology word
[00:41:48] impregatory prayers basically God get
[00:41:50] them prayers. That's what it's like sick
[00:41:52] them Lord. You see what they're doing.
[00:41:54] And David prays these prayers. How long
[00:41:56] will you allow the wicked to rage? Do
[00:41:59] God do something. And so we can pray
[00:42:01] those kind of prayers and turn all that
[00:42:02] over to the Lord. And then Proverbs is
[00:42:04] full of wisdom. So that's one key.
[00:42:06] >> I I had a I had a friend that was going
[00:42:08] through a really hard season of life and
[00:42:10] he said for two years all he could do
[00:42:12] was read the Psalms. Bro,
[00:42:13] >> it was just it was the only thing that
[00:42:15] got him through it. It was just it was
[00:42:17] so heart-wrenching and it was the wicked
[00:42:19] were coming after him and it was just
[00:42:21] the psalms were
[00:42:23] >> all that kept sustained him. So anyways,
[00:42:25] and sometimes you have seasons like that
[00:42:26] in life. If you're a new Christian, you
[00:42:27] have to understand that there will be
[00:42:29] really hard seasons and sometimes you
[00:42:31] might need to just read the Psalms. But
[00:42:32] anyways, there there's a lot of good
[00:42:34] stuff. I don't want Amen. Yeah. But
[00:42:35] Ephesians is great and Erica mentioned
[00:42:37] Ephesians 5 in her speech on on Sunday.
[00:42:41] So,
[00:42:41] >> and how do they pick a good church?
[00:42:43] >> Okay, so my second one was commit to a
[00:42:45] strong local church. I personally
[00:42:47] unapologetic on this one. You got to
[00:42:49] find a church that is unleashing the
[00:42:52] word of God. And I really do think it's
[00:42:55] so uh applicable when you look at the
[00:42:58] way Charlie operated and he he operates
[00:43:00] as such a great illustration for so many
[00:43:02] of these things he was living it. But
[00:43:03] something I just jotted down uh was look
[00:43:06] for a church that preaches the Bible,
[00:43:07] gives you doctrine. Think of how Charlie
[00:43:09] operated. Was he shallow? No, he was
[00:43:11] clear and simple, but he was never
[00:43:12] shallow. And so, you're not looking for
[00:43:14] a preacher that's going to stand up
[00:43:16] there and tell you cute little stories
[00:43:17] and make you laugh and then pat you on
[00:43:18] the back and just send you on, you know,
[00:43:20] to lunch. You want a guy that gives you
[00:43:22] all the smoke. You want him to give you
[00:43:23] all the truth and press in on your life.
[00:43:25] So, you leave like you leave how you'd
[00:43:27] want to leave the gym. You're like,
[00:43:28] "Okay, that was a good workout. Kind of
[00:43:30] sweaty."
[00:43:31] >> He really pushed on some buttons and I
[00:43:34] don't know how I feel about all that's
[00:43:35] called conviction from the Holy Spirit.
[00:43:37] And so really important you go to a
[00:43:39] church that opens the Bible and lets it
[00:43:41] fly.
[00:43:42] >> Yeah, that's really good.
[00:43:44] >> So we have uh just a few seconds here
[00:43:46] before radio break, but um I'm going to
[00:43:50] I'm going to invite you to preach the
[00:43:52] gospel, to proclaim the gospel for those
[00:43:54] listening that are maybe curious in our
[00:43:56] next segment. So I'm going to I should
[00:43:58] have just pounced on you just to see if
[00:44:00] you could do it, but no. Uh but I think
[00:44:02] I just feel called to invite you to do
[00:44:03] that. So we'll be right back. Don't go
[00:44:04] anywhere.
[00:44:11] [Applause]
[00:44:12] [Music]
[00:44:23] All right, we are back for the stream
[00:44:26] and for Real America's Voice and uh
[00:44:29] probably for clips. So, I'm inviting you
[00:44:32] because I something was stirring in my
[00:44:34] spirit. say like I don't want to assume
[00:44:37] everybody out there has made that
[00:44:39] decision. So I I would love to hear it.
[00:44:44] Yeah. I think that one of the easiest
[00:44:46] ways to understand the gospel is God man
[00:44:50] Christ response. Four simple things. God
[00:44:53] is holy. He's real. He is the creator of
[00:44:57] heaven and earth. He's the ruler and
[00:44:58] holds all authority. He is a righteous,
[00:45:01] holy, loving father. And that is who God
[00:45:03] is. Man is sinful. We broke God's law
[00:45:07] from the Garden of Eden all the way
[00:45:09] through until now. We all sin. The Bible
[00:45:11] says all have sinned and fallen short of
[00:45:13] the glory of God. Every sin that we
[00:45:15] would call small is still great enough
[00:45:17] to send you to hell and separate you
[00:45:19] from God. And man has one core issue.
[00:45:22] It's not our politics. It's not the
[00:45:24] amount of money we make or don't make.
[00:45:26] Our main core issue is the issue of sin.
[00:45:28] It separates us from God. So you have
[00:45:30] God and you have man. And then you need
[00:45:32] a solution because if we have no
[00:45:34] solution, we are damned to hell. We are
[00:45:36] on a one-way track into judgment. And so
[00:45:39] God though being so loving says, "I'll
[00:45:41] send my son Jesus Christ to die in their
[00:45:43] place." And the reason there has to be
[00:45:45] death and blood is because sin requires
[00:45:47] payment because God is holy. He would be
[00:45:49] an unjust God to say, "Ah, sin's no big
[00:45:53] deal." And wink at it. Because he's
[00:45:55] holy, he deals with sin. Because man is
[00:45:57] sinful. He would deal with man. But
[00:45:58] instead of causing you and I to burn in
[00:46:00] fiery judgment or the wrath of almighty
[00:46:03] God to fall on us, he says, "I love my
[00:46:05] creation so much, I'll send my son Jesus
[00:46:08] Christ to die." And so Jesus came. Why
[00:46:11] we make such a big deal about Jesus and
[00:46:12] it's all about Jesus. People think he's
[00:46:14] singing about Jesus. Who's this Jesus
[00:46:15] guy? He's the one who came from heaven
[00:46:18] as a man and lived a perfect life we
[00:46:20] could never live. Died a perfect and
[00:46:23] complete death, taking the full wrath of
[00:46:26] God upon himself. every sin, past,
[00:46:28] present, and future. All of it, in your
[00:46:32] place, in my place. He shed his blood in
[00:46:34] death on the cross. But it didn't stop
[00:46:37] there. The devil thought he won. But
[00:46:40] Jesus rose from the grave. And that was
[00:46:42] a declaration that death has no victory.
[00:46:44] Now death has no sting. Death now has no
[00:46:46] hold. And so all the father is saying is
[00:46:49] if you place your faith in my son, I no
[00:46:51] longer see you in your sin. I will not
[00:46:53] pour my wrath out on you. I pour my
[00:46:55] wrath on him. I look through my son
[00:46:58] Jesus Christ at you and I see you
[00:47:00] washed, cleansed, forgiven, mine. And so
[00:47:03] that is how we enter heaven. Faith not
[00:47:05] in ourselves, not in our good works, not
[00:47:07] in anything we are, but in Jesus Christ.
[00:47:10] And so response then is this. Choose
[00:47:12] this day whom you will serve. Will you
[00:47:14] put your faith in Jesus Christ? Will you
[00:47:16] lay down your pride and your sin, all of
[00:47:19] your fears, your guilt, your shame, and
[00:47:20] say, "Jesus, I give you everything. I
[00:47:22] surrender my life to you. Please,
[00:47:24] please, please save me. You are my Lord.
[00:47:27] You are my Savior. And then give your
[00:47:29] life to him. Death will not be the end
[00:47:31] for you. It's the beginning of eternal
[00:47:34] life.
[00:47:35] >> Praise God.
[00:47:35] >> Beautiful.
[00:47:36] >> Amen.
[00:47:36] >> And I just feel like there's people
[00:47:37] listening right now that have this thing
[00:47:39] that's holding on in their chest like
[00:47:41] they won't let go and they want to. And
[00:47:43] I just want to say like, let go.
[00:47:46] >> Let go. And actually Ally, you sent me
[00:47:48] this this song. was the Saturday after
[00:47:53] it happened and I was holding on to all
[00:47:56] these things that I thought my life was
[00:47:58] going to be before Charlie was killed.
[00:48:00] >> Yeah.
[00:48:00] >> All the plans that we had around the
[00:48:02] show
[00:48:04] and it was a lot where I was going to
[00:48:06] live, how I was going to live, what my
[00:48:08] what my family's future was going to
[00:48:10] look like. And I was afraid for what all
[00:48:13] this would be. And I listen to that
[00:48:16] song. I had like an ugly cry. I'm not
[00:48:18] afraid to admit it. And I could feel
[00:48:20] myself letting go and dying to myself in
[00:48:23] that moment and saying, "Yes, Lord.
[00:48:24] Yes."
[00:48:25] >> Wow.
[00:48:26] >> And that's so amazing.
[00:48:27] >> And then the fear melted away because at
[00:48:30] that point, it wasn't up to me anymore.
[00:48:31] It was up to Jesus.
[00:48:33] >> And so I feel like there's people in the
[00:48:34] audience right now that
[00:48:36] >> can relate to that. Just say yes. We'll
[00:48:38] be right back.
[00:48:50] All right, welcome back radio stations
[00:48:53] across the country. If you missed what
[00:48:56] just happened on radio, I pray you will
[00:48:58] go back to the podcast and listen to it.
[00:49:01] Uh because you just preached the word of
[00:49:03] God and the gospel and I felt the Holy
[00:49:06] Spirit in a big way.
[00:49:08] >> And so I want everybody listening to
[00:49:11] have
[00:49:12] >> access to that. It was amazing. Thank
[00:49:13] you for that. God is good, man. God's
[00:49:15] good. this, you know, the story that you
[00:49:17] just told, it was a song by Matthew S.
[00:49:20] and I just love to see, especially over
[00:49:22] the past couple weeks, how God has
[00:49:24] worked through the lives of believers to
[00:49:26] build up the body of Christ because
[00:49:28] that's what he does. Matthew S, who I
[00:49:30] hadn't talked to in a while. He texted
[00:49:32] me that song. He was like, "I wrote this
[00:49:34] demo after Charlie died." And I don't
[00:49:36] know why cuz I don't even know if we had
[00:49:38] really spoken except for maybe exchanged
[00:49:40] a couple texts. And I was just like,
[00:49:41] >> I was sitting and I was like, "I'm going
[00:49:43] to text this to Andrew. I I don't I
[00:49:45] don't know. I just feel like I need to
[00:49:46] text it to Andrew. And so immediately I
[00:49:49] just texted it to you. And obviously
[00:49:50] that was the Holy Spirit. It wasn't me.
[00:49:52] It wasn't even Matthew. It was God
[00:49:53] working. He knew.
[00:49:54] >> Yeah. It was what he needed to do.
[00:49:56] >> You know, I Yeah. I mean, I'd love to
[00:49:59] release that song. I don't know if he's
[00:50:00] released it publicly, but it was it was
[00:50:02] beautiful. And I actually sent it to
[00:50:03] Erica and she she I mean, I don't think
[00:50:06] she would mind saying because it was
[00:50:08] Saturday. It had happened on Wednesday.
[00:50:10] uh you know if you you touched us wrong
[00:50:13] on the arm like we just started crying
[00:50:15] about you know so totally um but you
[00:50:18] know she texted back just like crying
[00:50:20] emojis and she was just like this is so
[00:50:22] beautiful so it it meant a lot in the
[00:50:24] moment and
[00:50:26] >> and I yeah I just think that there is
[00:50:28] this thing in our flesh that wants to
[00:50:30] hold on to our own in intellect right
[00:50:32] now because I remember for me I just
[00:50:34] >> when I became a Christian the hardest
[00:50:36] thing was my intellect it just you some
[00:50:38] fairy god like I can't really you Give
[00:50:40] me science, give me physical, something
[00:50:41] I could touch. But that is faith. And
[00:50:43] maybe talk about that, you know, because
[00:50:46] we live in such a materialistic world.
[00:50:47] We live in a scientific world, you know,
[00:50:51] but what how do you get past that? What
[00:50:54] does faith actually mean? And what does
[00:50:56] it look like for people that maybe don't
[00:50:59] have it yet?
[00:51:00] >> Yeah. The Bible says without faith, it's
[00:51:02] impossible to please God. And it's a
[00:51:04] very interesting statement to make. So I
[00:51:05] don't please God if I don't have faith.
[00:51:08] You think why is that the thing that God
[00:51:10] wants and requires of us? Because it is
[00:51:13] a total admission that you are not
[00:51:16] enough. You don't have it in you. You
[00:51:19] can't do enough. You don't have the
[00:51:20] strength. You don't have the hope. You
[00:51:22] don't have the works. You don't have the
[00:51:23] methods or the strategies to do
[00:51:25] anything. It's got to be God. And so
[00:51:28] faith pleases him because faith is
[00:51:29] humility. Faith is saying, "God, I can't
[00:51:31] do this anymore. I can't do this in my
[00:51:33] own strength. I don't have enough
[00:51:34] knowledge. all my smarts, all my money,
[00:51:36] all my efforts, all of my strategies,
[00:51:39] they don't they they can't get me
[00:51:40] through this. I need you. And so, why is
[00:51:43] faith the pathway to salvation? Why do
[00:51:47] we have to have faith in Jesus Christ?
[00:51:49] Because it is total surrender. And
[00:51:51] that's what God wants. And then you say,
[00:51:53] "Well, why does God want that?" Because
[00:51:54] he knows it's what's best for us. Man
[00:51:56] has always failed trying to do
[00:51:59] everything on his own. We make a mess of
[00:52:02] everything. When you turn to God in
[00:52:04] faith, you're saying, "I don't see it. I
[00:52:06] don't always understand it, but I trust
[00:52:09] you." And that that is where the Holy
[00:52:11] Spirit meets people where they are, and
[00:52:14] transformation happens.
[00:52:15] >> Amen.
[00:52:16] >> Andrew talked about uh Hebrews 12
[00:52:18] earlier in Hebrews 11. Faith is the
[00:52:21] assurance of things hoped for, the down
[00:52:24] payment, the guarantee of things hoped
[00:52:26] for. And all those heroes of the faith
[00:52:29] in Hebrews 11, they trusted even though
[00:52:31] they didn't always see the promised
[00:52:32] land. They didn't see the end result.
[00:52:33] They trusted that God was who he says he
[00:52:36] is.
[00:52:37] >> Um I want to talk about disciplehip
[00:52:39] because you know as seasoned Christians
[00:52:42] I'm looking at all of these people who
[00:52:44] are curious or they're like giving their
[00:52:46] lives to Christ and I'm like okay I want
[00:52:48] those I need those people to stay. I
[00:52:50] want them to get into good churches to
[00:52:51] read the word of God but I know you
[00:52:53] can't do this alone. So what's our
[00:52:54] responsibility as we see this turning to
[00:52:57] Jesus to disciple these people to take
[00:52:59] them in? What does it look like?
[00:53:00] >> Okay. First, I think it's awesome and
[00:53:02] and kind that you respond that way, but
[00:53:05] I want to roll it back just one layer
[00:53:07] deeper.
[00:53:08] >> Okay?
[00:53:08] >> There are going to be a lot of people
[00:53:10] who are responding that way. And then
[00:53:12] there's going to be a spirit of
[00:53:13] cynicism. And so, first thing I want to
[00:53:15] tell the seasoned believers in the
[00:53:18] church is you reject a cynical spirit
[00:53:21] right at the root. I we haven't dealt
[00:53:23] with this in our church by the grace of
[00:53:25] God, but here's the deal. Remember the
[00:53:28] prodical son?
[00:53:29] >> Mhm. The prodal goes wild. Who was there
[00:53:33] obeying being faithful?
[00:53:35] >> The other son.
[00:53:36] >> Yeah. And what happens when the prodal
[00:53:37] comes back? Oh, come on. I didn't get
[00:53:39] the fat and calf. What's all the big
[00:53:40] deal for this?
[00:53:41] >> You'll have a bunch of people that say,
[00:53:42] "Oh, we'll see if the hype lasts. Oh,
[00:53:44] yeah. They were all there at State Farm
[00:53:46] Stadium on Sunday. We'll see if they
[00:53:47] actually show up to church next Sunday.
[00:53:48] Oh, yeah. This is just about Charlie. Do
[00:53:50] it for Charlie. Do it for Charlie. I've
[00:53:52] been serving Jesus. I wasn't sure.
[00:53:53] You'll have all of that Phariseaic
[00:53:55] stuff. So, number one, season saints, do
[00:53:58] not be that guy.
[00:54:00] >> And and we're going to hold we're going
[00:54:01] to keep going on the stream. Uh we got
[00:54:04] to take a little break here as we wrap
[00:54:06] up hour one for our national radio
[00:54:08] audience. But um you know, and by the
[00:54:10] way, Erica has some some clips from her
[00:54:13] speech about some of this stuff. So, I'm
[00:54:15] excited to play those as well. More on
[00:54:17] the stream. Don't go anywhere. Give us
[00:54:18] two seconds. And for radio, we'll be
[00:54:20] back in a few minutes.
[00:54:23] [Music]
[00:54:30] [Applause]
[00:54:36] All right, pastor. Uh, please continue.
[00:54:38] >> Okay.
[00:54:39] >> So, don't give into the cynical spirit.
[00:54:41] >> Yeah. No cynical spirit. This is what we
[00:54:43] we live for. This is why we're here. I
[00:54:45] mean, the church is plan A. We throw the
[00:54:47] nets. We gather the fish. And so number
[00:54:50] one, I want people to have a soft,
[00:54:52] tenderhearted love for the lost and the
[00:54:55] seeking who are coming. Reject cynicism.
[00:54:59] Beyond that, open your heart up to
[00:55:01] disciplehip. I mean, be ready to answer
[00:55:03] questions. Get in the mess of people's
[00:55:05] lives. Get down to kind of the early
[00:55:08] stuff where people sometimes go, "Oh,
[00:55:09] that's so basic." You know, no, give
[00:55:12] them the basics. I was actually talking
[00:55:13] to a brother just recently. He's a a
[00:55:15] newer believer in the sense of like
[00:55:16] doctrine and truth. he's learning and
[00:55:18] reading his Bible. And I was going and
[00:55:20] on and on like, you know, motor mouthing
[00:55:22] in this conversation and I was throwing
[00:55:24] different stuff out and he was eating it
[00:55:25] up. And then I said something I'm like,
[00:55:27] you know, and I mentioned a story in the
[00:55:28] Bible and he was like, "No, I haven't
[00:55:30] heard that. I I don't so I don't know
[00:55:32] all the stories in the Bible like you're
[00:55:34] talking about." I and I went, "Oh, so
[00:55:37] good." And no better example of this
[00:55:40] than my own wife when we were dating. We
[00:55:43] talked one time about some story and I
[00:55:46] assumed she knew it. Later on I found
[00:55:49] it. You know, she had been writing about
[00:55:50] it and I was like, "Hey, you know what?"
[00:55:52] And I told her this story. I said,
[00:55:53] "You've probably heard this already."
[00:55:54] She's like, "Oh, tell me again." And so
[00:55:55] I thought she she knew. I find out later
[00:55:58] she didn't know the story. And she just
[00:56:00] wanted me to share it again.
[00:56:01] >> Yeah.
[00:56:01] >> And she said to me, "Make me one
[00:56:03] promise. If you become a pastor one day
[00:56:05] and we're married and we have a church,
[00:56:06] will you just not be that guy that says,
[00:56:08] "Turn in your Bible to this passage."
[00:56:09] Now, I know you all have heard this
[00:56:10] before
[00:56:11] >> or you know, now everyone knows the
[00:56:12] story.
[00:56:13] >> She said, "Costy, there are so many
[00:56:15] people like me who did not grow up in
[00:56:17] church. We grew up in America, but we
[00:56:18] don't know all the church stories."
[00:56:20] >> And when y'all use all of this, it's not
[00:56:22] even insider language. We just want to
[00:56:24] be brought into that language. And maybe
[00:56:27] if you just say, "Hey, when you're
[00:56:28] turning in your Bible, turn your Bible
[00:56:30] to the book of, you know, Philippians.
[00:56:32] >> I have no clue where Philippians is. If
[00:56:34] you could just think of me,
[00:56:36] >> that would be awesome." And it it
[00:56:38] created a tender-heartedness in me to
[00:56:39] just remember the person that's coming
[00:56:42] >> doesn't know all that you know.
[00:56:44] >> So take it easy and then also it'll
[00:56:46] train you and it'll show how much do you
[00:56:49] really know cuz if you can't articulate
[00:56:50] it to the rookie, you're not as smart as
[00:56:52] you think you are.
[00:56:53] >> Okay, that reminds me of being in
[00:56:54] college and taking this finance class
[00:56:57] and the teacher got up there and was
[00:56:59] like, "Well, y'all already know what
[00:57:00] credit is." And I was like, "We do
[00:57:03] because I don't." And I had no idea. And
[00:57:06] it made me it made me discouraged. It
[00:57:07] made me want to drop out of the class
[00:57:09] cuz I didn't know what he was talking
[00:57:10] about and he never explained it. He just
[00:57:12] assumed that we all had this base
[00:57:13] knowledge. So it can actually be very
[00:57:15] discouraging for new Christians when
[00:57:17] we're just like way up here and they're
[00:57:19] like, "Hang on, what's John 3:16? I
[00:57:21] haven't heard that."
[00:57:22] >> Yeah. Yeah. And I I just love that Erica
[00:57:25] actually addressed this. It's I mean at
[00:57:27] this speech by the way
[00:57:29] >> she gave two of the best speeches I've
[00:57:31] ever heard and she did it within a
[00:57:32] matter of days under the most
[00:57:34] excruciating of circumstances and the
[00:57:36] most hyp and she knew the world was
[00:57:38] watching.
[00:57:38] >> Only God.
[00:57:39] >> Only God. And she speaks to this. So
[00:57:42] let's go ahead and play cut 118.
[00:57:46] All of you,
[00:57:50] all of you who are already believers, it
[00:57:52] is your job to shepherd these people.
[00:57:56] Do not take that lightly.
[00:58:00] Water the seed of their faith.
[00:58:04] Protect it and help it grow.
[00:58:09] >> It's funny. I didn't I hadn't I knew she
[00:58:12] said that line, but I didn't think of
[00:58:13] the seed. And the whole time you were
[00:58:14] talking about cynicism,
[00:58:16] >> I was thinking of the the parable of the
[00:58:18] sewer
[00:58:19] >> and that these seeds are going out. I
[00:58:21] mean, there are a lot of seeds going out
[00:58:23] y right now. And some will land
[00:58:25] >> in good soil. Some will land among
[00:58:27] thorns. And I mean, God's going to do
[00:58:30] what God's going to do.
[00:58:32] >> But we have to be ready to water the
[00:58:34] seeds and with the expectation that they
[00:58:36] will grow into maturity.
[00:58:37] >> Yeah. But we need to model patience and
[00:58:39] grace as well as people come with their
[00:58:41] stuff and their mess and they don't have
[00:58:42] it all figured out or they've been doing
[00:58:43] things maybe the wrong way or or they
[00:58:46] don't have a clue and and walk with them
[00:58:48] and come alongside them. You see this in
[00:58:51] Acts chapter 8. There's this story of
[00:58:53] the Ethiopian unic and Philip, okay, one
[00:58:57] of the apostles runs into this guy and
[00:58:59] he he shows up and this guy is reading a
[00:59:02] scroll. He's reading Isaiah. That's how
[00:59:04] they used to do it. They have these big
[00:59:05] scrolls. And so he's reading and in my
[00:59:07] you know CHV the Kasi hinn version
[00:59:09] basically Philip rolls up on this guy
[00:59:10] and like hey what you reading and he's
[00:59:12] like you know oh reading Isaiah you know
[00:59:14] the scroll and and so Philip then
[00:59:15] explains Christ from Isaiah which has
[00:59:18] lots of prophecies about Jesus and the
[00:59:21] guy then goes hey
[00:59:24] look there's water prevents me from
[00:59:26] being baptized and so he's like he's all
[00:59:28] in clearly he wants to follow Jesus.
[00:59:30] Philip has evidently explained that,
[00:59:32] hey, after you profess faith in Christ,
[00:59:34] you go get baptized not for salvation,
[00:59:36] but because of salvation. And it's this
[00:59:38] declaration of the world. Look at me.
[00:59:40] I'm one of these crazy people, one of
[00:59:42] these followers of the way. I'm getting
[00:59:43] in the water. I'm buried with Christ,
[00:59:45] raised to new life.
[00:59:47] >> Yeah.
[00:59:47] >> Look, I'm a Christian. And he didn't he
[00:59:49] didn't give him a theology exam. He
[00:59:51] didn't say, "We're going to need you to
[00:59:52] pass a few classes." He didn't say,
[00:59:54] "Well, we'll see if it's real, you
[00:59:56] Ethiopian unic." You know it this guy
[00:59:59] gets walked into the waters of baptism.
[01:00:01] And so there's an illustration there of
[01:00:03] how we can be come alongside someone.
[01:00:04] Hey, what you reading? Help me. Hmu,
[01:00:07] help me understand.
[01:00:08] >> And I think that's one of the best ways
[01:00:10] to meet people where it also builds
[01:00:12] trust and people go, oh, you don't just
[01:00:14] want to hammer me and show off all that
[01:00:16] you know. You actually want to help me
[01:00:18] and love me. I'll follow you wherever
[01:00:20] you go. Just show me the way of truth.
[01:00:22] And so we want to have that tender
[01:00:23] heart. M
[01:00:24] >> what does disciplehip look like on a
[01:00:27] day-to-day basis?
[01:00:28] >> Yep. So two elements of that. The great
[01:00:31] commission when Jesus says baptizing
[01:00:34] them in them in the name of the father,
[01:00:35] the son, and the holy spirit. Teaching
[01:00:37] them to observe all that I have
[01:00:38] commanded. So in the great commission is
[01:00:40] this teaching element. We're going to be
[01:00:41] teaching a lot. So you got to be
[01:00:43] patient. You also got to know your
[01:00:44] stuff. And so seasoned Christians armor
[01:00:46] up because you're going to be using all
[01:00:48] of that good truth. But then also the
[01:00:50] Greek word for disciple meth. And that
[01:00:54] just teacher and you have pupils. You
[01:00:57] have teachers and you have students.
[01:00:59] That's what disciple is. So being a
[01:01:02] disciple is being a faithful student.
[01:01:04] It's being a good pupil. And to disciple
[01:01:07] someone means to teach them. And so
[01:01:08] we're going to need Christians to get
[01:01:11] their eyes off themselves, to get their
[01:01:13] eyes off all of their busy schedules and
[01:01:15] what they're obsessing over and kind of,
[01:01:16] well, I got to do me. I don't have time
[01:01:18] for these needy people. No, there's
[01:01:20] going to be folks that are like
[01:01:21] spiritual toddlers. They're spiritual
[01:01:23] babies and they need to be nursed on the
[01:01:25] milk of the word, raised up to be able
[01:01:27] to digest the meat of the word. And so
[01:01:30] you have got we we're commanded to make
[01:01:32] disciples. So you don't look at this and
[01:01:35] go, "Oh, all these people.
[01:01:37] >> It's so busy." No, you look and go, "Oh,
[01:01:39] look at all of these mouths to feed and
[01:01:41] hearts wide open to teach and guide."
[01:01:44] That's the heart. I want to highlight
[01:01:45] one thing. We have this sweet couple in
[01:01:47] our church. Uh they were at the memorial
[01:01:49] on Sunday and uh just it one of my buddy
[01:01:53] Jordan, one of his best friends uh was
[01:01:55] really close, worked uh here at TPUSA
[01:01:58] and his sweet wife. They roll up to
[01:01:59] campus, our church the Sunday after
[01:02:02] Charlie was killed and the parking lot
[01:02:05] is jammed. I mean it was wall to-all
[01:02:07] both services and they sent me this
[01:02:08] message and they were weeping. They
[01:02:10] pulled in and they have young kids. Like
[01:02:12] it's not easy to get your, you know, we
[01:02:14] all know this. Like you getting your
[01:02:16] kids to church in the morning is a feat.
[01:02:18] There should be awards to it.
[01:02:19] >> I think the devil intentionally like
[01:02:21] sabotages that time for what it's worth.
[01:02:22] Just he hides the shoes.
[01:02:24] >> No, it's hides the shoes
[01:02:28] wakes up in a bad mood and they're
[01:02:29] crying and they don't want to get
[01:02:30] dressed and you got to like, you know.
[01:02:32] Yeah.
[01:02:33] >> Anyways,
[01:02:33] >> dude, no, you're right. That's why a
[01:02:35] mentor once told me, uh, Sunday morning
[01:02:37] church is a Saturday evening mission or
[01:02:39] decision. So, you start praying.
[01:02:41] >> That's really smart.
[01:02:42] >> You steam those outfits. Yeah,
[01:02:43] seriously.
[01:02:44] >> You prep the snack bag. Oh, you put the
[01:02:46] worship on. You're like, we this home is
[01:02:49] spiritfilled and we are going to the
[01:02:50] house of God with God's people. And so
[01:02:52] they roll up and they have young kids
[01:02:54] and they're now they have to park
[01:02:55] further. It's Arizona, so we're it still
[01:02:57] feels like summer here. And they're
[01:02:58] weeping cuz they know what it means.
[01:03:01] >> And that's the kind of heart we need to
[01:03:03] disciple people. They are not annoying.
[01:03:06] They are not the problem. They are the
[01:03:09] mission. So get after it and come
[01:03:12] alongside and do the work.
[01:03:13] >> All right. So I'm going to we're going
[01:03:15] to take a quick little pause uh and we
[01:03:17] will welcome back National Radio in just
[01:03:19] about a minute. Don't go anywhere. We're
[01:03:20] going to we're going to talk about male
[01:03:22] and female roles. We might talk about
[01:03:23] the difference between the sword of the
[01:03:25] government versus forgiveness that Erica
[01:03:27] >> uh offered Romans 12 versus Romans 13.
[01:03:30] So we'll be right back.
[01:03:49] that alcohol is able to be legal though
[01:03:52] uh when weeds not when like the effects
[01:03:54] of alcohol makes somebody
[01:03:56] violent.
[01:03:57] >> Can we agree alcohol should be illegal?
[01:03:59] >> Yeah, but you know they tried that and
[01:04:02] didn't work out.
[01:04:02] >> Well, it actually worked pretty well.
[01:04:04] You should all study prohibition. It
[01:04:05] actually works pretty well. Um
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[01:04:17] All
[01:04:29] [Music]
[01:04:33] right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk
[01:04:35] Show, radio stations all across the
[01:04:38] country. I am joined by the one and only
[01:04:40] Ally Beth Stucky. Uh, one of Charlie's
[01:04:43] dear, dear friends and a confidant. And
[01:04:45] I'm so honored to have you here. And
[01:04:47] >> it's an honor to be here. And it's fun.
[01:04:49] Y'all are fun.
[01:04:50] >> Well, I know. And by the way, and then
[01:04:52] my new friend here, Pastor Cony. I got
[01:04:55] that right, didn't I?
[01:04:56] >> Costi.
[01:04:57] >> Yes.
[01:04:57] >> I'm a new friend. You get it wrong a few
[01:04:59] times.
[01:04:59] >> I know. I invited someone.
[01:05:01] >> It's a unique word. It's a unique name.
[01:05:02] I invited someone that not only I knew
[01:05:04] could just bring the gospel and help us
[01:05:06] so much, but I was like, Andrew is
[01:05:08] genuinely going to love gossiping just
[01:05:10] as a person. So, just making friendships
[01:05:13] over there.
[01:05:14] >> Um, so I there's two things I want to
[01:05:17] get into. And then we do have Kurt
[01:05:18] Cameron coming on for the second half of
[01:05:20] this hour. So, more friends are going to
[01:05:22] be joining. He obviously had been a
[01:05:24] guest on the show and
[01:05:26] >> so many things. But I want to talk about
[01:05:29] uh two things. I want to talk about
[01:05:31] Erica's speech and what she presented
[01:05:33] with male and female because this is a
[01:05:35] central theme of yours, a central
[01:05:38] ministry of yours.
[01:05:39] >> And I thought she just I mean like the
[01:05:42] word choice was so precise and exact. I
[01:05:45] also want to talk about this forgiveness
[01:05:46] moment because I actually quoted your
[01:05:48] tweet yesterday on the show bes you know
[01:05:50] to different differentiate between
[01:05:52] Romans 12 and Romans 13. So anyways, so
[01:05:55] we're going to do this, but we'll start
[01:05:56] with the female male dichotomy, men,
[01:05:58] male and female, which I thought was
[01:06:00] profound that she even brought that up.
[01:06:02] >> I wasn't expecting her to go there.
[01:06:03] Totally. That makes sense.
[01:06:04] >> Yeah. Because of their marriage really
[01:06:06] was such a great example.
[01:06:08] >> And Charlie talked about it all the
[01:06:09] time.
[01:06:09] >> Totally. All the time. He was obsessed
[01:06:11] with Erica. So, uh, let's go ahead and
[01:06:13] play cut. Uh, 119. This is Erica's
[01:06:15] message to the men.
[01:06:18] Charlie passionately
[01:06:20] wanted to reach and save the lost boys
[01:06:23] of the West.
[01:06:25] The young men who feel like they have no
[01:06:27] direction,
[01:06:29] no purpose, no faith, and no reason to
[01:06:31] live.
[01:06:34] The men wasting their lives on
[01:06:36] distractions and the men consumed with
[01:06:38] resentment, anger, and hate.
[01:06:41] [Music]
[01:06:43] Charlie wanted to help them.
[01:06:46] He wanted them to have a home with
[01:06:49] Turning Point USA. And when he went onto
[01:06:52] campus, he was looking to show them a
[01:06:54] better path
[01:06:57] and a better life that was right there
[01:06:59] for the taking.
[01:07:01] He wanted to show them that. My husband
[01:07:04] Charlie,
[01:07:07] he wanted to save
[01:07:11] young men
[01:07:14] just like the one who took his life.
[01:07:18] >> So good.
[01:07:19] >> And she goes on to say to challenge men
[01:07:21] to be a man worth following. But in the
[01:07:23] interest of time,
[01:07:24] >> I'm going to go to the the woman verse
[01:07:27] because actually that hit me equally as
[01:07:30] hard and I'm not a woman. Let's play uh
[01:07:32] cut 120.
[01:07:34] >> Women, I have a challenge for you, too.
[01:07:39] Be virtuous.
[01:07:42] Our strength is found in God's design
[01:07:44] for our role.
[01:07:47] We are the guardians.
[01:07:49] We are the encouraers.
[01:07:52] We are the preservers.
[01:07:56] Guard your heart.
[01:07:58] Everything you do flows from it.
[01:08:02] And if you're a mother, please recognize
[01:08:06] that is the single
[01:08:08] most important ministry you have.
[01:08:13] >> And then she goes on to say, "You are
[01:08:14] not your husband's rival."
[01:08:17] And I just like when she said that I was
[01:08:19] like h it just it was like she
[01:08:22] >> zeroed in on this lie of our age that is
[01:08:26] really I think challenging not only
[01:08:27] marriages but the formation of marriages
[01:08:30] as well. And I would love to hear from
[01:08:31] you on this.
[01:08:32] >> Yes. I don't know if you remember this
[01:08:33] but the last face tof face conversation
[01:08:35] that Charlie and I had on this show was
[01:08:38] about his viral comments about Taylor
[01:08:40] Swift needing to submit to her husband.
[01:08:43] And he was like come on. Is this true?
[01:08:45] And of course it's true. Ephesians 5 is
[01:08:47] true and she just emulates that so well.
[01:08:51] But her message there to women
[01:08:54] especially that you are not your
[01:08:55] husband's rival. And I just want to
[01:08:56] encourage women to think about that not
[01:08:58] just in like the macro big picture sense
[01:09:00] because that's true. You're meant to
[01:09:02] compliment one another. Wives submit to
[01:09:04] your husbands. Husbands love their wives
[01:09:06] as Christ loved the church. but also in
[01:09:08] the micro sense because when you're in
[01:09:10] the midst of the newborn stage, when
[01:09:12] you're in difficult seasons of life,
[01:09:14] that's when the rivalry comes out.
[01:09:16] That's when Satan does his best work in
[01:09:20] Christian marriages. I'm doing more than
[01:09:22] him. I'm doing this better. That kind of
[01:09:25] dissension and division, Satan loves
[01:09:28] that. So remember in the small moments
[01:09:30] that you are not your husband's rival.
[01:09:33] You're not his enemy. You're not
[01:09:34] competing against him. you are both
[01:09:36] trying to push the ball down the field
[01:09:38] in the same direction. And someone told
[01:09:41] me that at the beginning of my marriage,
[01:09:43] that's always what I tell newlyweds that
[01:09:45] you and your husband are on the same
[01:09:47] team with the same goal. And if you
[01:09:50] think about that in your day-to-day,
[01:09:52] that changes how you talk to him, that
[01:09:54] changes how you treat him, and how you
[01:09:55] think about him.
[01:09:56] >> Yep. That's so true. It reminds me of
[01:09:58] the beginning of creation when God says,
[01:10:01] "I will make a helper suitable for him."
[01:10:03] It's not good for man to be alone. And
[01:10:05] he creates this team dynamic and you can
[01:10:06] view it as kind of two rails for a train
[01:10:08] to run. And you need a home that has men
[01:10:11] who step up and take the leadership role
[01:10:13] that God's given them. Do that in love
[01:10:16] and women who embrace the role. And you
[01:10:18] do have a ton of this Taylor Swift kind
[01:10:19] of feminist culture saying, "You're so
[01:10:21] much more than just a a stay-at-home
[01:10:23] mom, Ally. You're so much more than just
[01:10:26] a a woman. and you're so much more than
[01:10:27] just a cook and a and they they create
[01:10:29] these false dichotoies as though a role
[01:10:32] that focuses primarily on the health and
[01:10:34] home of the or the health and the home
[01:10:36] of the children and the husband and
[01:10:38] embracing that is this evil that's going
[01:10:40] to steal you from your true calling.
[01:10:42] That's the lie. And then Satan can
[01:10:44] divide homes, divide marriages and now
[01:10:47] destroy the family which puts us right
[01:10:49] back where we were as a country and as a
[01:10:52] culture. So I hope people can see the
[01:10:53] spiritual warfare element here. And it's
[01:10:55] interesting too because of all the
[01:10:57] issues that would get Charlie in the
[01:10:59] controversy of the news cycle or
[01:11:01] whatever, it was always this male female
[01:11:03] dynamic. I mean, there was other ones
[01:11:05] like race would tend to be in there, but
[01:11:07] the male female thing and and it's
[01:11:10] occurring to me now Erica and Charlie's
[01:11:12] relationship was so like kind of
[01:11:14] wonderful and pure
[01:11:16] >> and biblical, he was too innocent to
[01:11:19] understand how people were going to
[01:11:21] criticize it. I really believe that
[01:11:23] because when when you know Erica said to
[01:11:26] the men like your wife is not your slave
[01:11:28] and here's Charlie Kirk every Saturday
[01:11:30] leaving a message for Erica a note he
[01:11:33] would hand write a little note and give
[01:11:35] it to her and he would always end with
[01:11:37] how can I serve you please let me know
[01:11:39] how I can better serve you. So Charlie
[01:11:41] wasn't even thinking like hey male and
[01:11:43] female roles are different obviously you
[01:11:45] know. Yeah you gota you know women
[01:11:47] submit to your to your husbands as you
[01:11:50] know and by the way and because Charlie
[01:11:54] always had that paradigm that you know
[01:11:56] men you need to serve your wives and
[01:11:59] sacrifice yourselves for your wives just
[01:12:01] as Christ sacrificed himself for his
[01:12:03] bride the church. And so Charlie had
[01:12:05] that
[01:12:06] >> that image in his head every time. And
[01:12:08] I'll never forget one of the last
[01:12:09] interviews he did with Laura Ingram. She
[01:12:11] asked him about this and I I'll I'll
[01:12:14] never forget he goes goes, "Okay, Laura,
[01:12:16] I'll do it." But I always get like
[01:12:19] everybody always comes after me for
[01:12:20] this. And poor guy cuz he's sitting here
[01:12:22] like speaking the truth, taking the
[01:12:24] slings and arrows.
[01:12:25] >> And he was right.
[01:12:27] >> Yeah. He couldn't have even considered
[01:12:29] cuz it's so not how their relationship
[01:12:31] is
[01:12:32] >> that people thought that it means some
[01:12:35] kind of exploitation or some kind of
[01:12:37] tyranny over your wife. And the irony is
[01:12:40] here cuz you know people have called him
[01:12:41] all kinds of names especially in the
[01:12:42] past couple weeks. Handmaid's tail blah
[01:12:44] blah blah. I'm like does it look like
[01:12:46] Charlie Kirk was scared of strong women?
[01:12:48] Clearly not. Like he didn't marry a
[01:12:51] shrinking violet. He was not afraid of a
[01:12:54] woman's intellect and her wisdom and her
[01:12:56] help and her coming alongside him and
[01:12:58] I'm sure as an adviser and all of these
[01:13:01] things. Charlie Kirk championed in the
[01:13:04] right biblical way these strong women
[01:13:07] like his wife and it's just so ironic.
[01:13:10] >> By way I've actually heard I'm glad you
[01:13:12] reminded me of this. I've heard from
[01:13:14] multiple people that have been in and
[01:13:15] around the office in the days hence and
[01:13:18] it it's I've gotten this comment that
[01:13:20] you guys have so many strong women that
[01:13:23] are helping lead Turning Point USA. We
[01:13:24] have a lot of strong men,
[01:13:25] >> but we also have a lot of strong women.
[01:13:27] And people have mentioned to me like,
[01:13:29] you know, this is this is really
[01:13:31] >> quite the image
[01:13:33] >> interesting
[01:13:33] >> of the two,
[01:13:35] >> you know, sexes really balancing each
[01:13:37] other out and working together to pull
[01:13:39] off these amazing events and and
[01:13:41] >> and the right kind of strength, too.
[01:13:43] It's like you acknowledge their strength
[01:13:45] as image bearsers of God as people have
[01:13:46] been given certain capacities and
[01:13:47] talents while still recognizing the very
[01:13:50] distinct differences between male and
[01:13:51] female.
[01:13:52] >> Yeah. I mean, this show would not exist
[01:13:53] in its present form without Daisy. uh
[01:13:57] who's a character sometimes on the show.
[01:13:59] So, the audience might might know. But
[01:14:01] uh we'll be right back. Got to take a
[01:14:02] quick break. Don't go anywhere.
[01:14:04] [Music]
[01:14:27] All right, we are back. We're still
[01:14:29] rolling in the stream. I mean, uh this
[01:14:31] is what's fun about having uh three
[01:14:33] people on the set. The conversation will
[01:14:35] just keep going.
[01:14:36] >> Uh and so I'm I don't know if we've
[01:14:39] >> if we're ready to move on yet. It's up
[01:14:41] to you, Ally. I mean, we uh we don't
[01:14:44] have our radio audience at the moment,
[01:14:45] so it's up to you if you want to like
[01:14:46] dive into.
[01:14:47] >> You want to go to Romans 13?
[01:14:48] >> I think we want to go to Romans 13. So,
[01:14:51] obviously,
[01:14:52] >> Erica
[01:14:54] and my personal experience because I
[01:14:56] sort of knew what was about to happen,
[01:14:58] but even me having the fornowledge that
[01:15:01] this was about to happen,
[01:15:04] my flesh fought her saying that,
[01:15:07] >> forgiving the killer.
[01:15:09] >> And I actually
[01:15:12] Yeah, my flesh didn't want her to do I
[01:15:13] had I and I saw some of the push back
[01:15:15] online people saying like I could never
[01:15:17] do that. Even Trump was like I'm not
[01:15:19] forgiving my opponents,
[01:15:21] >> you know, I I'm sorry, Charlie's mad at
[01:15:23] me. He's looking down and he's mad at
[01:15:24] me. But I but I related to that, but I
[01:15:26] also understood the profound importance
[01:15:29] of what she did. And so you had this
[01:15:31] great tweet separating
[01:15:34] go the you know God's justice and then
[01:15:37] government's justice and then for the
[01:15:38] agrieved party in which case this is
[01:15:40] Erica.
[01:15:41] >> Yeah.
[01:15:41] >> And the power of forgiving. Yeah.
[01:15:44] >> Yeah. And cost will be able to speak
[01:15:46] into this really well. But when Jesus is
[01:15:48] talking about turn the other cheek he's
[01:15:50] talking about our interpersonal
[01:15:51] relationships. He is not negating the
[01:15:53] government's role in executing justice.
[01:15:55] because we read in Romans 13 that the
[01:15:58] government was instituted by God to
[01:15:59] punish evil. The government does not
[01:16:01] bear the sword in vain. Um and so it is
[01:16:05] not the government's job to give grace
[01:16:07] and to forgive. Not to say that there's
[01:16:09] no place for legal mercy in our system
[01:16:12] at all. But the government who is tasked
[01:16:16] at protecting the most vulnerable and to
[01:16:18] honor God in defining right and wrong
[01:16:20] how God defines it has to punish evil.
[01:16:22] >> Yeah.
[01:16:23] >> Has to restrain evil. That's how we
[01:16:25] protect vulnerable people. That's how
[01:16:26] how we protect primarily women and
[01:16:28] children from violence and bad guys. And
[01:16:31] >> God is a God of order. We see that from
[01:16:33] the very beginning that he placed us not
[01:16:34] in a jungle but in a garden and told us
[01:16:36] to work and to keep it. And we see his
[01:16:38] ordering of things throughout creation
[01:16:40] and throughout scripture. And the
[01:16:42] government is part of that order. And
[01:16:44] one day we'll live in perfect peace and
[01:16:46] joy with Jesus. But right now we're on
[01:16:49] earth with a lot of sinners. And there
[01:16:52] has to be something done about sin to
[01:16:55] restrain evil. So we are relieved of
[01:16:57] that burden of carrying out vengeance.
[01:16:59] Thank God. That is also another
[01:17:01] beautiful thing about having a rightly
[01:17:02] ordered government is that it's not our
[01:17:04] job to be vigilantes. It's not our job
[01:17:06] to return violence for violence. So
[01:17:08] thank you Lord. Thank you Jesus for
[01:17:09] taking that burden off of our shoulders
[01:17:11] and then placing it on the shoulders of
[01:17:14] the government. So people were trying to
[01:17:15] compare Steven Miller saying, you know,
[01:17:17] we're going to go after evil and Erica
[01:17:20] Kirk. And I'm like, no, those two things
[01:17:22] both exist. Government punishes evil, we
[01:17:24] forgive.
[01:17:25] >> Yep. Yeah. There's two really clear
[01:17:26] things that I think people get confused
[01:17:28] a lot of the time. Forgiveness does not
[01:17:30] mean there will be no justice.
[01:17:33] >> Forgiveness also is not reconciliation.
[01:17:36] So very important. Forgiveness only
[01:17:38] takes one. Okay? Because forgiveness
[01:17:40] defined biblically is I am releasing
[01:17:43] you. So what Erica did on Sunday and no
[01:17:46] doubt she had done it prior leading up
[01:17:47] to it then said it publicly. Erica had
[01:17:50] released Charlie's killer. She said I
[01:17:53] release you. That does not mean they are
[01:17:55] released from justice and from
[01:17:57] consequence. She's saying in my heart I
[01:18:00] will not hold this against you. I will
[01:18:02] not let it eat me every day and I will
[01:18:04] not think about you and let you hijack
[01:18:06] my life in bitterness because bitterness
[01:18:09] destroys the soul. So she says I release
[01:18:11] you. It's not reconciliation. And
[01:18:12] reconciliation takes two.
[01:18:14] >> If you and I have an issue,
[01:18:15] >> right? Okay, this is great,
[01:18:16] >> brother. You can forgive me. I can
[01:18:18] forgive you.
[01:18:18] >> This is very important.
[01:18:19] >> But reconciliation takes two.
[01:18:21] Reconciliation is I confess and I repent
[01:18:23] and I say, "I'm sorry. Will you forgive
[01:18:25] me?" And you say, "Oh, brother Costy, of
[01:18:26] course." Look, I'm sorry though, I
[01:18:28] repent. Will you forgive me? And you
[01:18:30] forgive me and I forgive you. And
[01:18:32] together we release the issue.
[01:18:33] >> This is this is so good. You need you
[01:18:35] need those two counterpoints like and
[01:18:37] and I've thought about this with like
[01:18:38] families, right? people that with really
[01:18:40] dysfunctional families and so you're
[01:18:41] this the kid that grows up and your
[01:18:42] parents are alcoholics or
[01:18:45] >> some some sort of dysfunction that's
[01:18:46] really and there's probably a lot of
[01:18:48] people in the audience that that's their
[01:18:50] reality
[01:18:50] >> totally
[01:18:51] >> and you know you think oh I have to be
[01:18:54] reconciled because I'm a Christian with
[01:18:55] my parents well not necessarily there is
[01:18:58] and the Bible is very clear about you
[01:19:00] need to respect your parents
[01:19:01] >> but that doesn't mean that you need to
[01:19:03] then let them into your house every day
[01:19:06] or you need to hang out at you know at
[01:19:08] family gathering ings all of a sudden.
[01:19:09] That is not what that means. It means
[01:19:11] releasing that burden. I love the way
[01:19:13] that
[01:19:14] >> and then by the way and that person
[01:19:16] holds no power over you at that point.
[01:19:18] And I think that was what Eric was
[01:19:20] doing. She also said, "I want no blood
[01:19:22] on my ledger. I do not want
[01:19:24] >> him on my ledger. I'm giving this to the
[01:19:26] Lord. I don't want to hold hatred of
[01:19:28] you."
[01:19:29] >> And I thought that was really beautiful,
[01:19:31] too, because she said, "I want nothing
[01:19:32] getting in the way of me seeing my
[01:19:34] husband in heaven." And I thought that
[01:19:35] was really amazing. That's it.
[01:19:36] >> So, we we're going to welcome back radio
[01:19:38] in just one second. Don't go anywhere.
[01:19:45] [Music]
[01:19:51] All right, welcome back to the Charlie
[01:19:53] Kirk show. Um, I am joined by Pastor
[01:19:57] Costi. Got it. And, uh, Alli Best Ducky,
[01:20:01] one of Charlie's dear friends. and you
[01:20:03] were always such a great supporter of
[01:20:05] Charlie and his mission, Ally. And I
[01:20:07] really do want to give you a hat tip. I
[01:20:09] think there is this part of scripture
[01:20:12] where it says, "He who, you know,
[01:20:15] receives a prophet receives a prophet's
[01:20:17] reward."
[01:20:18] >> And I don't know that I ever fully
[01:20:20] understood that, but then I see kind of
[01:20:23] what's happening.
[01:20:24] >> Yeah.
[01:20:24] >> In the aftermath. And I really do
[01:20:26] believe Charlie was a prophet who called
[01:20:28] the nations to repent. I didn't travel
[01:20:30] with him to England or South Korea or
[01:20:32] Japan these last international trips he
[01:20:34] came or he went on but I was talking
[01:20:36] about it with Blake uh one of our
[01:20:38] producers and
[01:20:40] >> it's so clear to me now he was going
[01:20:42] into these nations and calling them to
[01:20:44] repent
[01:20:45] >> and when he was in Japan he shared the
[01:20:47] gospel as well
[01:20:48] >> and and when soul there was much of the
[01:20:51] audience was Christian and they just
[01:20:53] showered him in prayer and the footage
[01:20:56] of that just like
[01:20:57] >> days before his death he was just
[01:20:59] absorbing ing this beautiful prayer and
[01:21:02] he got off the stage and Mikey said, you
[01:21:04] know, it was one of the few times he saw
[01:21:05] Charlie emotional ever just absorbing
[01:21:08] all these Koreans prayers. But
[01:21:10] >> in general, when he went to the UK, he
[01:21:12] was calling the UK to repent. Like,
[01:21:13] remember yourself. Remember yourself.
[01:21:15] >> And in Japan, like, you know, there's
[01:21:18] all this promise for you, come know
[01:21:19] Jesus, right?
[01:21:21] >> But that's what he did. And he went
[01:21:22] around America, college campuses,
[01:21:23] telling kids to repent, calling the
[01:21:25] culture to repent and to confront evil
[01:21:27] and confront lies.
[01:21:28] >> And he never really had to do that with
[01:21:30] you, Ally. And that was uh that was a
[01:21:33] relief for him. And I knew he just knew
[01:21:35] that you had this spine of steel in you
[01:21:37] that you were so rock solid in your
[01:21:39] faith and in your values that you would
[01:21:40] not be moved
[01:21:42] >> by the waves, by the crashing waves. You
[01:21:44] were not double-minded. And
[01:21:46] >> well, that's right.
[01:21:46] >> And he knew that very well, very well
[01:21:48] about you.
[01:21:48] >> Charlie was such an encourager. After I
[01:21:51] shared this with my audience, but when
[01:21:53] Charlie got shot, I uh called our mutual
[01:21:56] friend cuz I got a text. I was on my way
[01:21:57] to a doctor's appointment and I got a
[01:21:59] text that Charlie Kirk has got gotten
[01:22:00] shot and I was like, "No, that's not
[01:22:02] real." Or maybe, you know, he got shot
[01:22:03] in the arm. But I called our mutual
[01:22:05] friend and I was like, "Is this true?
[01:22:07] This person's crying. This person is
[01:22:09] like I don't Yes, it's true." And we
[01:22:11] just like hung up the phone. I am like I
[01:22:14] can't believe it. And I call my dad and
[01:22:18] I'm I'm crying. he's in Ireland. I'm
[01:22:20] like sobbing and because at that point I
[01:22:23] had heard that he got shot in the neck
[01:22:25] or the head and I didn't know. Um and I
[01:22:28] was like that's it. I was like I'm done.
[01:22:30] I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore. I
[01:22:32] can't I can't do this. And my dad who is
[01:22:35] so level-headed
[01:22:37] he was like you know after all of this
[01:22:39] clears you got to think of course you
[01:22:42] know what is Jesus calling you to do but
[01:22:44] also like what would Charlie tell you to
[01:22:46] do? And I went through our texts, you
[01:22:49] know, he always texted so many people
[01:22:50] encouragement. And there was one time I
[01:22:52] did not have a spine of steel. I was
[01:22:54] really anxious about this article that
[01:22:56] had been written about me in the
[01:22:58] Atlantic. And it was kind of good, but
[01:22:59] then also like kind of mean and had, you
[01:23:02] know, all these hate messages.
[01:23:04] >> Yeah. And uh Charlie had texted me. He
[01:23:06] just how he even had time to like follow
[01:23:09] all these things and do all of this, but
[01:23:11] he texted me a link to the article when
[01:23:13] I was in the midst of like, oh, this
[01:23:14] backlash is hard. and he was like, "What
[01:23:17] an honor." And he just said, "Keep
[01:23:18] slugging."
[01:23:19] >> And I've thought about that phrase so
[01:23:21] much over the past two weeks. Keep
[01:23:24] slugging. And you know, the risks I take
[01:23:26] as a wife and mom, what you know, this
[01:23:29] calling looks like for me is not going
[01:23:30] to be the same as Charlie. It's just
[01:23:31] it's just not. I don't have the same
[01:23:33] capacity. I don't have the same calling.
[01:23:35] Not in the same exact like, you know,
[01:23:37] season of responsibilities. But all of
[01:23:39] us, stay-at-home moms, employees,
[01:23:42] students are called to take risks for
[01:23:44] the gospel. Yes,
[01:23:45] >> we are all called to be bold for the
[01:23:46] gospel. And I don't know exactly what
[01:23:48] that looks like for every single person.
[01:23:51] But that's one thing that Charlie taught
[01:23:53] me. And if I had a spine of steel, a lot
[01:23:56] of it was because of Charlie. Because
[01:23:59] Charlie said the hard things first
[01:24:00] before the rest of us. And you know, if
[01:24:03] Charlie said it's like, okay, Charlie
[01:24:04] said it, we can all say it now. Um,
[01:24:06] >> yeah, he had a ability to sort of like
[01:24:08] hold that middle ground. Of course, the
[01:24:09] left thought he was like far right. And
[01:24:11] and and it was interesting in the days
[01:24:14] afterwards, everybody that knew what
[01:24:15] they were talking about was like Charlie
[01:24:17] was like a kind of a centrist. Like he
[01:24:19] was a moderate at least. He wasn't a
[01:24:20] centrist. He's a conservative like rock
[01:24:21] rib conservative, but
[01:24:22] >> brought us all together.
[01:24:23] >> But he like was he it's almost like he
[01:24:25] took the
[01:24:26] >> the actual far right and the moderates
[01:24:28] and kind of gave everybody this north
[01:24:30] star that was that was actually like the
[01:24:33] same way middle of the right.
[01:24:35] >> And so when he would choose to speak out
[01:24:38] on something, it did have this he was
[01:24:40] the icebreaker. and this so breaking
[01:24:42] through the the the sheet of ice so that
[01:24:43] the ships behind him could could go and
[01:24:46] do what they needed to do.
[01:24:47] >> Yeah. And that was really special and
[01:24:49] it'll be interesting to see you know
[01:24:50] what it looks like. But I think
[01:24:52] subconsciously a lot of us like in the
[01:24:54] conservative commentary space took I
[01:24:58] mean we just looked to Charlie not
[01:24:59] directly taking marching orders. He
[01:25:01] wasn't texting us telling us what to say
[01:25:02] or do ever
[01:25:03] >> but he was such an example that we
[01:25:05] really did all look to him. Like we all
[01:25:07] followed him. It was like, okay, this
[01:25:09] person's invited to Turning Point, then
[01:25:11] they've been given a little bit of just
[01:25:13] like a validity stamp that their ideas
[01:25:16] at least are worth listening to cuz
[01:25:17] Charlie's listening to them.
[01:25:19] >> I love that. Well, we're going to take a
[01:25:21] quick break even on the stream because
[01:25:23] we're going to get Kurt Cameron uh ready
[01:25:25] with the tech and we're going to we're
[01:25:27] going to have him join us remote. So,
[01:25:29] don't go anywhere. We will be right
[01:25:31] back. More with the Charlie Kirk show.
[01:25:39] [Applause]
[01:25:40] [Music]
[01:25:54] China is like more kids doing dope and
[01:25:56] more kids doing weed. It's a lot. It's
[01:25:59] by the way it makes you a lot more
[01:26:00] paranoid, a lot more anxious than people
[01:26:02] realize. I actually just did a podcast
[01:26:04] with Bill Maher yesterday where he was
[01:26:05] smoking weed the entire time. It's like
[01:26:07] secondhand inhaling this crap. Um,
[01:26:09] >> how was it?
[01:26:11] >> Awful, actually. Um, and look, again, if
[01:26:15] you privately want to do it in your own
[01:26:16] home, I guess you have a right to do it.
[01:26:18] But we are we are trending towards a
[01:26:20] society that is promoting and elevating
[01:26:23] series of substances that do not make
[01:26:25] you hyperproductive. Do you know what
[01:26:26] Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson and
[01:26:29] myself all have in common? We don't
[01:26:30] drink alcohol. We don't do any drugs.
[01:26:33] The most hyperproductive people that I
[01:26:35] find that are actually able to achieve
[01:26:36] stuff are not the ones that are like,
[01:26:38] you know, doing LSD or smoking dope.
[01:26:40] Like I guess Joe Rogan is an exception
[01:26:42] to that. But like I'll just be honest,
[01:26:44] guys. You're being sold a bill of goods
[01:26:46] if you think it's good for you.
[01:26:47] >> Well, it's not necessarily like
[01:26:49] something that's like I would be taking
[01:26:51] for medication. Like I mean not me
[01:26:53] personally because I don't have you know
[01:26:55] some sort of disease or like injury to
[01:26:57] where I would need to take that but it's
[01:26:59] just sort of like a fun recreational
[01:27:01] thing for people.
[01:27:02] >> Has it made the state of Washington a
[01:27:04] better place to live?
[01:27:06] >> I wasn't old enough during
[01:27:08] >> No, it's fine. I mean again I've seen
[01:27:10] states that were once really great and I
[01:27:12] don't think weed has made it a better
[01:27:13] place to live. I just don't. You could
[01:27:15] say there's other factors. Of course,
[01:27:16] there's other factors, but
[01:27:18] >> I don't think weed has actually had like
[01:27:19] that drastic of an impact, you know, it
[01:27:22] like hasn't
[01:27:23] >> I mean, again, more kids are doing it.
[01:27:24] We have more hospitalizations. We have
[01:27:25] more 13, 14 year olds that are doing
[01:27:27] edibles. We have more people. By the
[01:27:29] way, it makes you very paranoid and you
[01:27:30] can get a lot. It screws your brain in a
[01:27:33] way that
[01:27:33] >> you do in excess. Yeah. Everything in
[01:27:35] moderation.
[01:27:36] >> Again, you know, the right amount of
[01:27:37] weed is none and the right amount of
[01:27:39] drinking is none.
[01:27:40] >> Yeah.
[01:27:40] >> You don't need to go through life
[01:27:42] medicated all the time. It's actually
[01:27:43] pretty awesome being sober. Well, I was
[01:27:44] saying not all the time, but you know.
[01:27:46] >> Yeah. Again, I I I'm of the standard
[01:27:48] that we we we treat our society way too
[01:27:51] much like infants
[01:27:52] >> and as if you need to always have a
[01:27:53] substance in your body where you can
[01:27:55] actually be really successful being
[01:27:56] sober.
[01:27:58] >> So,
[01:27:58] >> all right. Thank you.
[01:27:59] >> Thank you. Appreciate it.
[01:28:00] >> Have a great day.
[01:28:02] [Applause]
[01:28:05] >> Yes. We'll give him a hat. Let me see if
[01:28:06] I can get
[01:28:08] [Applause]
[01:28:10] >> Oops.
[01:28:11] >> Ah, thank you.
[01:28:17] There you go. Hey, I almost got on his
[01:28:18] head. Yes, sir.
[01:28:22] >> Also, if you guys disagree, you guys can
[01:28:24] get work through the line here. Yeah.
[01:28:26] >> Um, just want to thank you for coming
[01:28:28] out here and answering all these
[01:28:29] questions to start off. Um, my biggest
[01:28:31] problem with Donald Trump is I feel like
[01:28:32] throughout his political career, he's
[01:28:34] built it around just degrading,
[01:28:35] belittling, and insulting anybody who
[01:28:37] disagrees with him. I strongly believe
[01:28:39] that a house divided against itself
[01:28:40] cannot stand. And I think his approach
[01:28:42] to politics in the United States is
[01:28:44] making us more divided and I think in
[01:28:45] the long term we will see repercussions
[01:28:46] for that.
[01:28:49] >> Okay. What's the question?
[01:28:50] >> Well, if whether or not you agree with
[01:28:52] that assessment of
[01:28:53] >> we won the election. So I mean like what
[01:28:55] is the relevant question though?
[01:28:57] >> Well, the relevant question is do you
[01:28:58] think that that approach to politics and
[01:29:00] where the um stigma is right now is
[01:29:02] going to be dire in uh
[01:29:04] >> No, I I think it's somewhat of a
[01:29:05] miscatategorization. I mean are there
[01:29:07] things that he says that I wouldn't say?
[01:29:09] Is there a style that he employs that
[01:29:10] I'll employ? You see how I do things?
[01:29:12] It's not always like that,
[01:29:13] >> right?
[01:29:13] >> But can you acknowledge he also keep
[01:29:15] keeps his promises? That's pretty good,
[01:29:16] right?
[01:29:17] >> Well, I mean, not necessarily all his
[01:29:18] pro the war was supposed to end on day
[01:29:20] one. The war didn't end on day one.
[01:29:22] >> I mean, again, there's there is some
[01:29:23] political bravado to some of this stuff,
[01:29:25] but the border is secure, right?
[01:29:28] >> Well, it's it's more secure now.
[01:29:29] >> No, it's totally secure. We have we have
[01:29:31] we have literally nobody coming across
[01:29:33] the southern border. I mean, so he in
[01:29:36] the first term he kept promise after
[01:29:38] promise after promise after promise. And
[01:29:40] so I I guess what what is what would you
[01:29:44] prefer someone like Donald Trump that
[01:29:46] has a style you don't like or someone
[01:29:48] like George W. Bush that has a style you
[01:29:50] like and was a terrible awful lying
[01:29:52] president?
[01:29:52] >> Well, it it's less I mean the the style
[01:29:54] is going to turn into big demonstrations
[01:29:56] that we see across the country where it
[01:29:58] gets it becomes vulgar and it becomes
[01:30:00] difficult to work with one another. I
[01:30:01] mean, if you look at kind of I mean, you
[01:30:03] can pick January 6 or you could pick
[01:30:04] riots on the left side.
[01:30:05] >> Do you saw this kid that got punched by
[01:30:07] a professor here for wearing a Trump?
[01:30:08] >> No, no, no. But, but
[01:30:09] >> it's the other side doing it. We're not
[01:30:10] doing that.
[01:30:11] >> But, but it's it's both sides. Well,
[01:30:12] okay. January 6 is an example of that
[01:30:14] happening.
[01:30:14] >> How about something within the last
[01:30:15] three years? Anything within the last
[01:30:17] three years?
[01:30:17] >> Within the last three years.
[01:30:18] >> You can't name a single example
[01:30:19] >> of of
[01:30:20] >> of right-wing violence in the last three
[01:30:22] years.
[01:30:22] >> I mean,
[01:30:23] >> we're incredibly peaceful. No,
[01:30:24] seriously, you can't name an example.
[01:30:26] But I can name Tesla dealerships being
[01:30:28] burned, death threats every day against
[01:30:29] Tulsi Gabbard and President Trump. Oh, I
[01:30:31] don't know. President Trump getting shot
[01:30:32] on the 13th of July in Butler,
[01:30:34] Pennsylvania. So, I just find it to be
[01:30:36] just a little bit like outrageous that
[01:30:38] like, well, it's Donald Trump dividing
[01:30:40] the country. I know that he got shot. I
[01:30:41] know that he wanted to kill him and I
[01:30:42] know that he's been keeping promises. I
[01:30:44] know that the left is, you know, trying
[01:30:45] to murder us in the streets and punching
[01:30:47] our students in the face and I
[01:30:49] understand that they're hunting
[01:30:50] everybody with a Trump supporting hat
[01:30:51] down, but it's somehow Trump. I mean,
[01:30:53] come on.
[01:30:53] >> No, no, but that's not what I'm saying.
[01:30:55] What I think what you're confused about,
[01:30:56] that's what I'm about to say. What what
[01:30:58] I think you're confused about is I'm not
[01:30:59] saying that I'm in support of what's
[01:31:01] happening on the left. I think the kid
[01:31:02] that got punched out in in front of the
[01:31:04] coup, awful situation. I think burning
[01:31:06] down Teslas creating violence on the
[01:31:08] left side. I think
[01:31:15] [Music]
[01:31:21] the voice of generations is the Charlie
[01:31:24] Kirk show.
[01:31:26] All right, welcome back to the Charlie
[01:31:28] Kirk show. His empty chair is there and
[01:31:32] it's it's interesting because it's
[01:31:34] almost become like a pilgrimage. You
[01:31:36] know, a lot of our friends want to take
[01:31:38] pictures and remember him and keep this
[01:31:40] moment.
[01:31:41] >> And um
[01:31:43] >> the chair I've said it a few times this
[01:31:45] week, but since you guys probably
[01:31:46] haven't heard it, it it was a really
[01:31:47] funny story. We tried on like it was
[01:31:49] like 13 different chairs and he kept
[01:31:51] saying nope, nope. Cuz Charlie had a
[01:31:53] really bad back.
[01:31:54] >> Oh, did he?
[01:31:54] >> Yeah. He ran a ton when he was young. So
[01:31:57] when he was just starting turning point,
[01:31:58] that was his outlet to get all the
[01:32:00] energy out. He would just run for like
[01:32:01] seven to 10 miles
[01:32:02] >> and but then he would get on a plane and
[01:32:04] fly for five hours and then he'd do it
[01:32:06] again the next day and eventually just
[01:32:07] like something something happened with
[01:32:09] one of the discs
[01:32:10] >> and u so he had a bad back and he hated
[01:32:13] most chairs when we would do media rows
[01:32:15] and he had to sit in these chairs that
[01:32:17] he didn't like I mean he would always go
[01:32:18] oh my back and so we finally got him the
[01:32:20] shack chair because he we joked he's
[01:32:22] like a nephilim he was so huge and he
[01:32:25] loved this chair and it was probably the
[01:32:27] cheapest of any of the versions that we
[01:32:28] got probably at like Target but it was
[01:32:29] made for big people and so it's it makes
[01:32:32] me smile every time I I see it because
[01:32:35] >> you know it travel we had the studio is
[01:32:37] in a different place and we brought the
[01:32:38] chair you know anyways uh but anyway you
[01:32:40] have a another special guest that is
[01:32:42] joining us right now so the floor is
[01:32:44] yours Ally
[01:32:45] >> yeah I love Kirk Cameron I'm so excited
[01:32:47] to talk to you Kirk you have been
[01:32:49] talking about revival
[01:32:51] um for a really long time do we have
[01:32:54] Kirk ready to go okay
[01:32:56] >> um you've been talking about revival for
[01:32:58] a long time and what revival looks like.
[01:33:01] You've been posted about that on social
[01:33:03] media. So, I just want to hear first
[01:33:04] like what's your take on what you've
[01:33:06] seen in the state of the spiritual world
[01:33:09] over the past couple weeks.
[01:33:12] >> Well, thank you for having me. I feel so
[01:33:14] deeply honored to be with both of you
[01:33:16] right now and uh and with that empty
[01:33:20] chair. Wow. Yeah,
[01:33:22] >> I am. I'm very excited because
[01:33:25] when I think of the wicked evil that
[01:33:28] took place in front of all of our eyes,
[01:33:31] I can't help but ask myself the
[01:33:33] question,
[01:33:36] h how is this an essential part of the
[01:33:40] story?
[01:33:41] >> And the story I'm talking about is the
[01:33:43] story of redemptive history,
[01:33:45] >> right? the author of life is writing a
[01:33:48] story and in some of those chapters it's
[01:33:50] an absolute nailbiter. One of I mean
[01:33:54] there's been many throughout the ages
[01:33:56] where you have good men, faithful men
[01:33:58] and women being martyed and sacrificed
[01:34:02] for their convictions and for the truth.
[01:34:06] And you look at those things and you
[01:34:09] think surely uh God didn't want that to
[01:34:12] happen. Surely he was on coffee break.
[01:34:14] Surely this was not part of the plan.
[01:34:16] And yet
[01:34:17] >> we read in the scriptures that Jesus
[01:34:20] going to the cross was the plan to
[01:34:23] result in the salvation of millions and
[01:34:25] billions of people around the world. And
[01:34:27] every martyr that has shed his blood has
[01:34:30] resulted
[01:34:32] um in in in revivals personally and in
[01:34:36] families and in communities and in
[01:34:38] nations. And I know that behind the
[01:34:40] curtain God is working miracles even
[01:34:42] though we don't understand it. and and
[01:34:44] know the details, we can trust that what
[01:34:47] he says is true. He's working all things
[01:34:48] together for good for those who love him
[01:34:51] and for those who are called according
[01:34:53] to his purposes. And it's always at
[01:34:56] these
[01:34:57] >> moments when all hope seems lost, when
[01:35:00] it's against all odds that God uses the
[01:35:03] seemingly foolish and weak things of the
[01:35:05] world to turn things around. And that's
[01:35:07] what Charlie was all about. He's using
[01:35:10] the the hearts and minds of young people
[01:35:12] on co college campuses that have now
[01:35:14] been lit on fire and now there's
[01:35:16] millions of Charlies. They're all
[01:35:18] saying, "We are Charlie Kirk. We are
[01:35:20] Charlie Kirk." Um, we are carrying on
[01:35:22] the message. We're carrying on your
[01:35:23] tour. We're carrying on your podcast.
[01:35:26] And it it reminds me of Tertullian in
[01:35:30] >> the second century who said, "When you
[01:35:32] mow us down,
[01:35:34] >> you only make us spread because our
[01:35:39] blood is like seed."
[01:35:40] >> And that's where we get the phrase,
[01:35:43] "The blood of the martyrs is the seed of
[01:35:45] the church."
[01:35:46] >> Yes.
[01:35:47] >> So, I feel the rumblings of revival
[01:35:49] under my feet in so many ways. And
[01:35:53] >> this event with Charlie has just poured
[01:35:56] gasoline onto the fire for millions of
[01:35:59] people around the world.
[01:36:01] >> Yes, absolutely.
[01:36:02] >> Well, and I Sorry. Go ahead, please.
[01:36:04] >> You just made me think of what Mikey
[01:36:06] McCoy, Charlie's chief of staff, said at
[01:36:09] the event. He quoted Kerkagard and he
[01:36:11] said, "The tyrant dies and his rule is
[01:36:13] over. The martyr dies and his rule
[01:36:16] begins."
[01:36:17] And I I I think there's probably a few
[01:36:19] ways to I don't know if that's the
[01:36:20] direct translation Mikey used or not,
[01:36:22] but it it really is it gets to this idea
[01:36:24] of the martyr, you know, blood of the
[01:36:26] martyrs is the seed of the church. And I
[01:36:28] will tell you from the numbers that
[01:36:31] we're seeing at campus uh inquiries to
[01:36:34] start new TPSA chapters to the, you
[01:36:37] know, our friend Tyler went to church
[01:36:40] and he theyapt they started baptizing
[01:36:42] people in the fountains out in the
[01:36:44] parking lot, you know. So, exactly.
[01:36:49] >> Go ahead.
[01:36:49] >> It's so It's just so exciting, right? I
[01:36:51] I freaked out when I was I wasn't able
[01:36:53] to go to the memorial service, but as I
[01:36:55] was watching it, I'm going, "Are you
[01:36:56] kidding me? I've never heard I've heard
[01:36:59] these are world leaders sharing more
[01:37:01] about their faith in Jesus Christ. This
[01:37:03] was like a Billy Graham crusade revival
[01:37:05] meeting on a massive scale all around
[01:37:08] the world. I've never seen anything like
[01:37:09] it."
[01:37:10] >> And I, you know, I I I I thought of this
[01:37:13] the other day. I thought, you know, if
[01:37:15] if if Charlie and other saints in heaven
[01:37:18] have a portal through which they can
[01:37:20] watch us, I can just imagine him just
[01:37:23] smiling with that iconic grin that he
[01:37:26] has, you know, and and I don't know how
[01:37:28] it all works uh up there in the great
[01:37:30] balcony of heaven, but I can just
[01:37:32] imagine um him lifting a glass at a
[01:37:35] great banquet table uh in the presence
[01:37:38] of all of history's heroes and his
[01:37:40] heroes of the faith and and quoting
[01:37:43] uh Ephesians 3:20 saying, "And now,
[01:37:46] look, look at this. And now to him who
[01:37:48] is able to do exceedingly abundantly
[01:37:51] beyond all we could ever ask or imagine,
[01:37:53] according to the great power that is at
[01:37:55] work within us all. To him be glory in
[01:37:57] the church and throughout all
[01:37:59] generations forever and ever. Amen.
[01:38:02] >> Amen."
[01:38:03] >> I could just I could just picture it in
[01:38:05] my mind.
[01:38:06] >> Yes.
[01:38:06] >> Fires me up.
[01:38:07] >> Yes. Me, too. So, we know one thing
[01:38:11] about this is that Satan doesn't go down
[01:38:13] without a fight and he's already
[01:38:15] defeated. Jesus has already won and yet
[01:38:18] he's doing his darnest. There's this
[01:38:20] quote, I'm sure you know it, by CS Lewis
[01:38:22] that says, "There's no neutral ground in
[01:38:24] all of the universe. Every spare second,
[01:38:27] every square inch has been claimed by
[01:38:28] Christ or counter claimed by Satan." And
[01:38:31] to me, I mean, the day that Charlie was
[01:38:33] assassinated, it was like, "Okay,
[01:38:35] there's Satan gained some ground. It
[01:38:38] certainly feels sometimes like this is a
[01:38:40] losing battle even though I know that's
[01:38:42] not true. Um, can you tell us how we
[01:38:44] should be thinking about the reality of
[01:38:47] spiritual warfare right now? A lot of
[01:38:49] people are thinking about Ephesians 6.
[01:38:51] We don't wrestle against flesh and blood
[01:38:52] but against the principalities, the
[01:38:55] powers of darkness. Um, what what should
[01:38:58] we be thinking about that realm right
[01:39:00] now?
[01:39:02] >> Well, thank you for asking my opinion.
[01:39:04] You know, I I I I'm not a credentialed
[01:39:06] theologian on this topic, although I
[01:39:07] have really strong opinions about it
[01:39:09] just by uh reading the Bible. And um I
[01:39:13] think that if Christians actually
[01:39:15] understood who we are in Christ and
[01:39:18] where we are positionally, covenantally
[01:39:21] with Christ, seated with him in the
[01:39:23] heavenly places, ruling and reigning
[01:39:25] together with the Trinity over the
[01:39:28] nations of the earth. People wouldn't be
[01:39:29] so concerned about spiritual forces of
[01:39:32] darkness. And and here's here's what I
[01:39:35] think helps. One of my favorite uh
[01:39:37] scripture passages is in John 12. And
[01:39:39] you look there at verses 31 and 32. And
[01:39:42] Jesus said, "Now is the judgment of this
[01:39:45] world." You think, "Wait a minute. John
[01:39:47] 3:16 says Jesus didn't come into the
[01:39:49] world to judge the world, but that the
[01:39:51] world through him might be saved." But
[01:39:53] listen to what he's saying. He's saying
[01:39:54] now is the judgment of this world, this
[01:39:57] evil world system, and the ruler of this
[01:40:00] world shall be cast down from where?
[01:40:03] From the from He was the prince of the
[01:40:05] power of the air. He was um um in the
[01:40:09] heavenly places, but he's being cast
[01:40:11] down. He says, "Now is the time for
[01:40:13] that. And when I am lifted up from the
[01:40:15] earth, speaking of the manner in which
[01:40:17] he would die on a cross, I will draw all
[01:40:20] people to myself." So he is describing a
[01:40:23] massive covenantal
[01:40:25] power shift in the heavenly realms, in
[01:40:28] the heavenly places. This this cosmic
[01:40:31] war results in Jesus declaring all
[01:40:35] authority now has been given to me both
[01:40:38] in heaven and on earth. So ask yourself
[01:40:41] if all authority not some but all has
[01:40:44] been given to Jesus both in heaven and
[01:40:47] on earth. How much authority does that
[01:40:48] leave for Satan? Zero. And he says I he
[01:40:53] has the keys to the kingdom. The death
[01:40:56] blow has been dealt. The serpent's head
[01:40:58] has been crushed. He's overcome death
[01:41:00] and the grave and the the power of hell.
[01:41:02] He came to destroy the works of the
[01:41:04] devil. He said it is finished. He is
[01:41:07] risen. He has seated next to the father
[01:41:10] and deployed the holy spirit. And now he
[01:41:12] says
[01:41:15] go into all of the world, disciple all
[01:41:18] the nations, teach them to obey all that
[01:41:19] I've commanded, and I'll be with you to
[01:41:21] the end of the age. In in in my
[01:41:23] understanding, my vernacular summary is
[01:41:26] boys, it's go time. Mhm.
[01:41:28] >> You know the place.
[01:41:31] Let's go win this together
[01:41:34] >> on three.
[01:41:36] >> And then you see the missionary
[01:41:39] movements to the ends of the earth. And
[01:41:42] I don't believe for a second that we're
[01:41:44] fighting for victory during a sad time.
[01:41:48] I believe that these are exciting times
[01:41:49] and we are fighting from victory. And if
[01:41:53] we understood that,
[01:41:55] we we could change things in short
[01:41:57] order, politically, economically, in our
[01:42:00] families and marriages, uh in our
[01:42:02] churches, and we could begin to
[01:42:04] heavenize this earth like nobody's ever
[01:42:07] seen before.
[01:42:08] >> That's so good.
[01:42:09] >> I love I love that phrase you use, by
[01:42:11] the way, because it feels true, you
[01:42:13] know, in a on a very deep level.
[01:42:15] >> Yeah.
[01:42:16] >> The the power shift. It's you were
[01:42:18] talking about Jesus on the cross,
[01:42:20] >> but we were also just talking about the
[01:42:21] blood of the martyrs.
[01:42:22] >> And there is a power shift that I can
[01:42:25] feel in the heavenly realms here on
[01:42:28] earth. And you can see it when we have
[01:42:30] our nation's most powerful leaders in
[01:42:32] including Don Jr. which still, you know,
[01:42:36] >> blows me away. Yeah.
[01:42:37] >> I think it blew Dawn away that he what
[01:42:39] he did. But he he we have our the most
[01:42:41] powerful leaders in the world in the
[01:42:43] free world preaching the gospel
[01:42:46] >> better than some pastors you know in
[01:42:48] front of a 100 million live streams.
[01:42:50] >> Well because you know and I think that
[01:42:52] that is motivated and sharpened
[01:42:57] >> by watching a man who is an archetype of
[01:43:01] courage like Charlie Kirk.
[01:43:02] >> Yeah.
[01:43:03] >> We're seeing somebody live for us in
[01:43:05] real time what we say we believe.
[01:43:07] >> Yeah. And the problem is we we have such
[01:43:11] people pleasing, seeker sensitive,
[01:43:14] so-called churches
[01:43:16] that are all about promoting a Jesus
[01:43:18] that soothes and never saves.
[01:43:22] >> And Jesus said, "If anyone wants to come
[01:43:25] after me, you need to deny yourself. You
[01:43:28] need to take up your cross and follow
[01:43:29] me." And that's the kind of life Charlie
[01:43:32] wanted to live. And I personally believe
[01:43:35] that that came into sharper focus and
[01:43:38] was fueled with rocket fuel more and
[01:43:41] more over the last five years with
[01:43:43] Charlie. And I'm hearing other people
[01:43:45] say the same thing because of his death.
[01:43:49] I mean JD Vance, our vice president
[01:43:51] said, "I've talked more about my faith
[01:43:52] in Jesus in the last two weeks than I
[01:43:55] have in the last 10 years of public
[01:43:57] life."
[01:43:57] >> And Kirk, that was an adlib. It wasn't
[01:43:59] on his speech. He just threw it in
[01:44:00] there. It was he was moved by the spirit
[01:44:02] to say it. He told me that
[01:44:03] >> that backstage.
[01:44:04] >> Yeah, I will. What? One sec. We're going
[01:44:06] to take a quick break, Kurt. We'll be
[01:44:07] right back.
[01:44:18] >> I just did an interview with Jeff
[01:44:20] Durban.
[01:44:20] >> Uh we're going to keep going with the
[01:44:21] the stream because Kurt Cameron uh is on
[01:44:24] one. He's he's got he's in the best.
[01:44:27] Yeah, keep going. Don't let me cut you
[01:44:29] off, my friend. Oh, I was just going to
[01:44:31] say that I was blown away by Tucker
[01:44:33] Carlson. You know, it's not often that
[01:44:35] we hear um news types and and
[01:44:38] journalists and and and people who are
[01:44:40] not nec professional Christians uh come
[01:44:42] out and be so bold in their faith. And I
[01:44:44] was like, man, Tucker is laying it down.
[01:44:46] I mean, for those of us who kind of sort
[01:44:48] of thought that maybe Tucker was was um
[01:44:50] familiar in in in a in a traditional
[01:44:53] kind of way with Christianity, I was
[01:44:55] like, "No, he's talking about
[01:44:56] repentance." I mean, he's saying the
[01:44:58] things that many
[01:45:01] many many professional Christians don't
[01:45:03] really want to say. And he says, "It
[01:45:05] starts with with us, with me."
[01:45:08] >> I mean, repentance is the hard work of
[01:45:12] plowing up the ground and removing the
[01:45:14] stones of sin, preparing the soil for
[01:45:16] the gospel to go down and change you
[01:45:19] into a new kind of person.
[01:45:20] >> Uh, it's not about pointing fingers and
[01:45:22] say, "It's them, it's them." He's saying
[01:45:24] Charlie started with it's me, it's us.
[01:45:27] We need to not play the same sick games
[01:45:31] as sad, broken, lost people who need
[01:45:33] Jesus. We need to be transformed uh and
[01:45:36] and change the way that we think,
[01:45:38] download the mind of Christ through
[01:45:41] scripture and then be empowered by the
[01:45:43] Holy Spirit to sacrifice and pay the
[01:45:46] price to be brave. And the price is you
[01:45:51] don't get to be a BSER. If you're going
[01:45:53] to go out there and be courageous enough
[01:45:54] to call things what God calls them like
[01:45:58] Charlie did, you're also going to be
[01:46:02] called to see if you're bluffing. And
[01:46:04] Charlie wasn't bluffing. He was willing
[01:46:06] to pay the price and sacrifice comfort,
[01:46:10] pleasure, um, power, influence,
[01:46:14] >> even though he had those things, which
[01:46:15] are not bad things in and of themselves,
[01:46:18] but when they become ultimate things for
[01:46:21] politicians and religious people, uh,
[01:46:23] that then becomes idolatry and what God
[01:46:25] hates. What Charlie did was he was just
[01:46:27] living out his convictions and he was
[01:46:31] willing to lay it all on the line and
[01:46:34] said he wasn't afraid because he knew
[01:46:36] that he was bulletproof until the Lord
[01:46:40] called him home and his work was done.
[01:46:42] And I loved what JD Vance said. He said,
[01:46:44] "You fought a good fight. We've got it
[01:46:47] from here."
[01:46:49] >> And that's been my battle call
[01:46:51] >> ever since I heard him say that.
[01:46:53] >> So good.
[01:46:53] >> So good. Kirk, your sister Candace has
[01:46:56] uh told this story, I think on the stage
[01:46:58] of my conference, Share the Arrows, and
[01:47:00] maybe on my show, too. She was going
[01:47:02] through a hard time where she was
[01:47:03] getting some kind of push back for
[01:47:05] something. And she says that you texted
[01:47:07] her, "Welcome to the James 1 Club." Can
[01:47:11] you explain what that means? We got a
[01:47:13] lot of people who are newly emboldened
[01:47:14] or new Christians. They're not used to
[01:47:16] being persecuted and called names for
[01:47:17] their faith, and they're like, "What the
[01:47:19] heck did I get myself into?" What's the
[01:47:21] James One Club? And we have one minute
[01:47:23] till we welcome back radio. So if we
[01:47:24] need if this is a bigger story, I don't
[01:47:26] want it to get cut off because we have
[01:47:27] our our final radio segment. And so up
[01:47:30] to you how you want to handle it. You
[01:47:32] want to tease it for radio and then
[01:47:33] we'll we'll
[01:47:35] >> go for it.
[01:47:35] >> Yeah, let's tease it for radio. I need
[01:47:36] to go back and read James 1. I can't
[01:47:38] remember what it says.
[01:47:39] >> Oh no. Trials trials of many joy my
[01:47:43] brethren when you encounter various
[01:47:44] trials going at the test of your faith
[01:47:45] produces endurance. the the the Lord
[01:47:47] prompted me to give you a quick out
[01:47:49] there, you know, because but hey, by the
[01:47:52] way, let's let's take a quick break and
[01:47:54] welcome back radio, but you it was
[01:47:55] funny. Something just occurs to me. You
[01:47:58] were saying, "Well, I'm not a
[01:47:59] theologian." And we were asking you
[01:48:00] about the powers of darkness and the you
[01:48:02] know, we don't war against flesh and
[01:48:04] blood. And I was like, he lives in
[01:48:06] Hollywood. Are you kidding me? You are
[01:48:08] the expert in uh in this topic. So, you
[01:48:11] know, for what it's worth, you have you
[01:48:13] have a lot of authority on a lot of
[01:48:14] issues. Correct. You gave a phenomenal
[01:48:15] answer. It was a great answer. So, I'm
[01:48:18] going to give you an out. Go read James
[01:48:20] 1. We're going to welcome back radio in
[01:48:21] about 20 seconds.
[01:48:22] >> We'll be right back.
[01:48:51] Oh, I love that song. Um, welcome back
[01:48:53] to the last segment. It goes fast,
[01:48:56] doesn't it?
[01:48:57] >> Goes by so fast.
[01:48:58] >> So fast. And such great friends and new
[01:49:00] friends. Pastor, we're going to be home.
[01:49:02] >> I know. You didn't know you were going
[01:49:03] to stick around this whole time. I love
[01:49:05] it.
[01:49:05] >> And and um so so you prompted him. So,
[01:49:09] so start the question again for radio
[01:49:10] and that's how we're going to end the
[01:49:11] show. What is James 1, right?
[01:49:13] >> Okay. Can you just you know it verbatim
[01:49:15] trials of many kinds. Can you tell us
[01:49:17] what James 1 has cost you?
[01:49:18] >> Yes. James is preparing Christians for
[01:49:19] suffering. They're spread out
[01:49:20] everywhere. He says, consider it all
[01:49:22] joy, my brethren, when you encounter
[01:49:23] various trials, knowing that the testing
[01:49:25] of your faith produces endurance. Then
[01:49:27] there's this line, let endurance have
[01:49:29] its perfect result, meaning it's going
[01:49:30] to do something to you. So, pass the
[01:49:33] baton over to our fireball preacher.
[01:49:35] >> Yeah. How do people give people some
[01:49:37] encouragement that are dealing maybe for
[01:49:39] the first time persecution, push back
[01:49:42] for being bold for their faith?
[01:49:43] >> Probably with their families, too.
[01:49:45] >> I bet there's a lot of people that their
[01:49:46] families are looking them like, "Oh,
[01:49:48] you're not really going to become a
[01:49:49] Christian because of Charlie Kirk, are
[01:49:50] you?"
[01:49:51] >> I bet that's happening.
[01:49:54] >> Yeah, I'm going to become a communist
[01:49:55] because of AOC. And that's better.
[01:49:59] >> I mean, what kind of comment is that? I
[01:50:01] mean pe people I think I think the
[01:50:04] trouble that we have is that as human
[01:50:06] beings is that I think God made us as
[01:50:09] relational people and we want to be in
[01:50:10] community with people but the problem is
[01:50:13] >> we're so concerned about people pleasing
[01:50:16] that we seek the approval of people
[01:50:18] rather than the approval of God and we
[01:50:21] were designed to to to look to God for
[01:50:25] our worth and our value not to the
[01:50:27] applause of our friends and our
[01:50:30] followers.
[01:50:31] And we live in a culture that has just
[01:50:33] steeped us in that that we're so soaked
[01:50:35] in it. We're we're absolutely
[01:50:37] intoxicated with people giving us thumbs
[01:50:39] up and high fives and adab boy and way
[01:50:41] to go. And if people turn on us, cancel
[01:50:44] us, um we're we're just crushed. Our
[01:50:46] little mini kingdoms just fall apart.
[01:50:48] And so, uh, I I would say that what we
[01:50:52] need to do is is recognize that if we
[01:50:56] really are who God says we are, if we
[01:51:01] are made in his image, we have been set
[01:51:04] free from sin, we've been filled with
[01:51:06] his spirit, we've been reconciled to
[01:51:08] God, restored to our mission, and
[01:51:11] through the gospel, all things can be
[01:51:13] made new, then my goodness, I've got a
[01:51:17] reason to live
[01:51:18] >> and I've got to have
[01:51:22] >> the ability to be rejected by people and
[01:51:26] when you see people like Charlie who
[01:51:28] model that for us or the apostle Paul
[01:51:31] who models that for us or costy who
[01:51:33] models that for us or Ali Beth who
[01:51:35] models that for us and others throughout
[01:51:38] history you say let's go I mean when you
[01:51:42] watch why do you watch Braveheart over
[01:51:43] and over and over how many times have
[01:51:45] you seen it how many times you gonna
[01:51:46] watch the Patriot Why do we do that?
[01:51:48] Because these are people who faced
[01:51:50] pressure at great cost to themselves,
[01:51:53] but they were driven by their
[01:51:56] convictions and by their faith in
[01:51:59] ultimate things that matter. And this
[01:52:01] gives us reason to live.
[01:52:04] I want to share one quick story
[01:52:07] and this is the story of a of an Asian
[01:52:09] saint in the in the year 400 AD. His
[01:52:13] name is Telmachus
[01:52:15] and he traveled to Rome and went to see
[01:52:20] the gladatorial games in the coliseum.
[01:52:22] And when he walked in and saw that these
[01:52:25] men were killing each other for sport to
[01:52:30] the wild enthusiasm of the entertained
[01:52:34] audience, he was horrified. Something
[01:52:36] rose up within him, both anger and
[01:52:39] compassion for these people, that he
[01:52:43] leapt into the arena itself, and
[01:52:47] demanded, pleaded with the fighters
[01:52:50] >> to stop their killing. And the audience
[01:52:55] was enraged that he interrupted their
[01:52:58] entertainment and they h they stoned him
[01:53:01] themselves right on the spot. And the
[01:53:05] sand soaked up Telmachus' blood. But the
[01:53:09] emperor
[01:53:10] Flavius Anorius was so rattled, so
[01:53:14] shaken to the core by this Christian
[01:53:16] man's compassion and his courage
[01:53:20] >> that he ended the gladatorial games
[01:53:23] forever. They were banned and they never
[01:53:26] came back.
[01:53:28] >> His courage and his death was a turning
[01:53:31] point in Rome. And I believe Charlie is
[01:53:34] a modern-day Telmachus and his death is
[01:53:38] a turning point in America.
[01:53:41] >> Wow. Amen. What a perfect note to end
[01:53:43] on. Kirk Cameron, thank you so much.
[01:53:45] Thank you for bringing it and thank you
[01:53:47] to the Lord for speaking through all of
[01:53:49] these people. The gospel has been
[01:53:50] shared. God has been glorified today.
[01:53:52] Thank you for being a part of it, Kirk.
[01:53:54] >> Amen.
[01:53:54] >> Amen. Thank you. Appreciate all of you.
[01:53:56] Keep up the great work.
[01:53:57] >> Likewise. Thank you.
[01:53:59] >> Goes quick.
[01:54:00] >> It really does.
[01:54:01] >> That was fun. Thank you for preaching
[01:54:02] the gospel. Thank you all for having me.
[01:54:05] >> Disciplehip. You are the perfect person
[01:54:07] to be here, Ally. And uh
[01:54:08] >> praise God. Thank you.
[01:54:09] >> Thank you for your faithful friendship
[01:54:10] to Charlie and to Turning Point. And
[01:54:13] we'll see you again soon.
[01:54:14] >> Yes.
[01:54:15] >> Thanks so much, everybody. We'll talk to
[01:54:17] you tomorrow.
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