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[00:00:01] This morning when I woke I couldn't stop
[00:00:03] hearing tear drops on my ceiling falling
[00:00:06] from the eyes of the beautiful angel.
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[00:00:36] Today's guest, I'm very excited about
[00:00:38] this one because we are live and this is
[00:00:41] going to be incredible, is General
[00:00:44] Michael Flynn, a soldier who rose from a
[00:00:47] workingclass family in Rhode Island. And
[00:00:50] I know Rhode Island because I've done a
[00:00:51] lot of sailing in Rhode Island. So, I'm
[00:00:53] going to talk to him about that. He
[00:00:54] became a three-star army lieutenant
[00:00:57] general serving with over 33 years in
[00:01:00] military intelligence. Started as a
[00:01:02] combat in Grenada. He served on the
[00:01:04] front lines also in Iraq, Afghanistan,
[00:01:07] and later led the Defense Intelligence
[00:01:10] Agency under President Obama. And then
[00:01:13] in 2017, he became national security
[00:01:15] adviser to President Trump, only to find
[00:01:18] himself at the center of one of the most
[00:01:20] explosive political and legal battles in
[00:01:23] modern history.
[00:01:25] And I have a lot to talk to him about
[00:01:28] after my interactions with the FBI on
[00:01:30] two occasions and the intelligence
[00:01:32] community in general. General Flynn
[00:01:34] details a story about service,
[00:01:37] sacrifice, and the high cost of speaking
[00:01:40] truth to power in various books which I
[00:01:43] have all read and those include pardon
[00:01:46] of innocence written most recently, a
[00:01:49] book about citizens guide to fifth
[00:01:52] generation warfare which I read in the
[00:01:54] last few days and a book called Field of
[00:01:57] Flight: How We Can Fight the Global War
[00:01:59] Against Radical Islam. And these books
[00:02:02] we're going to talk about here in just a
[00:02:04] minute. Um he details his stories in
[00:02:08] these books and he joins us today. Uh
[00:02:11] General Flynn, welcome to the Price is
[00:02:13] My Life podcast.
[00:02:14] >> Yeah, great. I'm I'm really honored to
[00:02:16] be here and I'm so glad that uh you guys
[00:02:19] were persistent getting me here. So
[00:02:21] appreciate it. You got a beautiful setup
[00:02:23] and I am huge huge fan uh of everything
[00:02:27] that you have done in your life which is
[00:02:29] amazing.
[00:02:29] >> Well, thank you. Um, we have a lot to
[00:02:31] talk about and I wanted to start cuz I I
[00:02:34] read your book and a friend of mine,
[00:02:36] Laura Logan, actually gave me this book
[00:02:39] >> and I wanted to start there's so much to
[00:02:40] talk about, but we're just going to
[00:02:42] start somewhere.
[00:02:42] >> Mhm.
[00:02:43] >> And you know, I I like to say my price
[00:02:45] is my life. Meaning
[00:02:47] >> that I try not to be compromised.
[00:02:50] >> Mhm.
[00:02:50] >> But most people's price, if they're
[00:02:53] honest, is actually their children's
[00:02:54] life. And you wrote in this book, and
[00:02:57] I'm gonna open it up to this section
[00:02:59] where you talk about your son, and I
[00:03:00] actually I've actually met your son.
[00:03:01] We've hung out.
[00:03:02] >> Um, you've talked about your son and uh
[00:03:06] pleading guilty to a crime you didn't
[00:03:10] >> commit, something that I have in common.
[00:03:12] But here, I'm just going to read a
[00:03:13] passage from your
[00:03:14] >> from your book from page 180. Um, quote,
[00:03:19] "My son would have been next on their
[00:03:22] hit list. Those bastards wouldn't stop
[00:03:25] until they chewed off every piece of
[00:03:27] meat on my body like piranhas. It was
[00:03:30] hard enough that I could barely speak
[00:03:32] with Michael. That's your son. My
[00:03:34] lawyers told me I had to communicate
[00:03:35] with him through them. It was hell. They
[00:03:37] were going after my son and I could not
[00:03:40] let that happen.
[00:03:43] Talk about that.
[00:03:44] >> Yeah. Wow. Well, it's emotional just
[00:03:47] even uh hearing those words stated
[00:03:50] again. Michael's probably watching this
[00:03:52] show right now, too. So, for for
[00:03:54] everybody out there in the audience that
[00:03:55] that's uh that's paying attention, this
[00:03:58] is a really uh this is a big deal for
[00:04:00] all of us. So, for me and for my family
[00:04:03] and Michael specifically, and I have a
[00:04:06] couple I have two sons, Matthew's the
[00:04:08] other one, my my wife Lori. Um Michael
[00:04:12] has has had experiences with mental
[00:04:14] health issues, you know, for a long
[00:04:17] period of his life. and and um so as I
[00:04:20] was going through this this hell with uh
[00:04:24] the FBI, the Department of Justice, the
[00:04:26] Muller investigation team, uh finding my
[00:04:30] myself in a place where I was kind of a
[00:04:32] alone on an island. Uh and I felt like I
[00:04:36] knew I knew that I hadn't done anything
[00:04:38] wrong. Uh despite what they're going
[00:04:40] after you for and what they're telling
[00:04:42] you and what the media is is is shouting
[00:04:44] to the hills about. Um they found the
[00:04:47] one weakness in my life which was my
[00:04:49] family and specifically my son and and
[00:04:53] more specifically my son Michael and
[00:04:55] Michael and I have you know obviously
[00:04:58] father-son relationship. We worked
[00:05:01] together very closely prior to to that
[00:05:03] to this mess that uh that that these
[00:05:05] people caused our whole country to go
[00:05:07] through. But that weakness for me was to
[00:05:10] attack my son and to and to go after his
[00:05:13] his uh challenges that he was you know
[00:05:16] had always you know been through was
[00:05:18] very private you know as mental health
[00:05:20] issues are in a family very private and
[00:05:22] now it's become actually public and
[00:05:24] Michael has taken it uh and and stepped
[00:05:27] up now to where he's actually helping
[00:05:30] other people. So I think that that's a
[00:05:31] really honorable and noble thing that
[00:05:33] Michael has decided to do. But when they
[00:05:36] did that to me, I mean, they're talking
[00:05:38] about, you know, 15, 20, 25 years in
[00:05:41] prison for something that I knew I
[00:05:43] didn't do. And now it's been, you know,
[00:05:45] it's it's I mean, even the FBI agents
[00:05:47] that came into my office, they actually
[00:05:49] wrote down he wasn't lying, right? So,
[00:05:51] it's just incredible what uh
[00:05:54] >> they're they're talking about you not
[00:05:55] lying.
[00:05:55] >> They're talking about me not lying,
[00:05:57] right? I mean, they actually wrote it
[00:05:59] down after that very famous two FBI
[00:06:02] agents sent to the White House by James
[00:06:04] Comey, who's who I think he goes in
[00:06:06] front of Congress tomorrow, um, or gets
[00:06:09] indicted tomorrow, maybe the next day,
[00:06:10] the 9th, I think. But this issue of
[00:06:13] attacking somebody's family, you know,
[00:06:16] my price is my life. Well, for me, I you
[00:06:20] know, I I served overseas in combat in
[00:06:22] different places and I signed on the
[00:06:23] dotted line and I knew that that uh
[00:06:26] serving in our armed forces, you know,
[00:06:28] the potential for giving your life for
[00:06:30] the country was very real,
[00:06:32] especially in some of the places I went
[00:06:34] to. But as I fought this this this war,
[00:06:37] this b these battles inside of our own
[00:06:39] country against our own government, you
[00:06:41] know, I realized that my price was my
[00:06:43] family and uh and I just wasn't going to
[00:06:47] uh to put up with it anymore. And that
[00:06:49] was a weak point for me. So I learned
[00:06:50] about that. My family's learned about
[00:06:52] it. Certainly Michael has learned about
[00:06:53] it, my wife. And I would just say that
[00:06:56] for anybody that's out there, you know,
[00:06:59] and there's a lot of people that go
[00:07:00] through this, a lot of people who make
[00:07:02] decisions based on on the uh I don't
[00:07:06] know the the challenges that they face
[00:07:08] with a variety of things. Some people do
[00:07:10] it because they're going to lose their
[00:07:11] job. They do it because they're going to
[00:07:12] lose, you know, they're going to lose
[00:07:14] some their name's going to be in the
[00:07:15] media. That I didn't care about. What I
[00:07:18] cared about was my family. And I just at
[00:07:21] that moment when that happened and and
[00:07:22] and they came to me and they actually
[00:07:25] told me that this is what this is what
[00:07:26] was going to happen. They are not only
[00:07:28] going to charge you, they're going to
[00:07:29] drag your son into this.
[00:07:30] >> Who's they?
[00:07:31] >> They being my lawyers and the uh and the
[00:07:34] and the prosecution team of the Mueller
[00:07:37] investigation. They actually said,
[00:07:39] "Here's what's going to happen." So this
[00:07:41] is like about probably a week and a
[00:07:44] half, two weeks prior to me pleading
[00:07:46] guilty back in 2017. And I finally and I
[00:07:50] talked to my wife and and we and we
[00:07:52] said, "Okay,
[00:07:54] we're sort of done." I mean, at this
[00:07:55] point in time, you know, we had already,
[00:07:57] you know, you know, sort of all the
[00:07:59] other aspects of what happens to
[00:08:01] somebody when you go through this, you
[00:08:02] know, your bills mounting. We had uh we
[00:08:05] had sold our home, but then they all
[00:08:08] that didn't matter. What mattered is
[00:08:09] when they came after my son. And I was
[00:08:12] like, I'm not going to let this happen.
[00:08:13] And so then it was, okay, what's what's
[00:08:16] our what's the recourse, right? And the
[00:08:19] recourse is you're going to have to
[00:08:20] plead guilty to something that you
[00:08:22] didn't do, right? And my lawyers knew
[00:08:24] that I hadn't done anything. My lawyers
[00:08:26] said, the first set of lawyers that I
[00:08:28] had were were terrible and uh and I
[00:08:30] dumped them eventually.
[00:08:32] >> Cington and Berling, I dumped them
[00:08:34] eventually. Um but that was a big big
[00:08:37] decision. It was a huge decision. It was
[00:08:39] made really um you know with with a
[00:08:43] great deal of faith uh you know in my
[00:08:46] wife and I speaking to each other right
[00:08:48] we've been together for a long time but
[00:08:50] it was with a great deal of faith in God
[00:08:52] and just knowing that you know we'll get
[00:08:55] through this we'll get through this was
[00:08:56] kind of our our theme and no matter what
[00:09:00] we you know we have our bond as a family
[00:09:03] and then you know for those that that
[00:09:06] get further into the book and uh Michael
[00:09:09] has been a beneficiary of this as I have
[00:09:11] as all of those in my family have. We
[00:09:14] have a huge family and uh on the
[00:09:17] certainly on the Flynn side and on the
[00:09:19] on my wife's side, the the android side.
[00:09:21] We have a huge family. I have I'm one of
[00:09:22] nine children, nine brothers and
[00:09:24] sisters, bunch of cousins and nephews
[00:09:27] and nieces and and everybody knows Uncle
[00:09:30] Mike. Everybody knows, you know, brother
[00:09:31] Mike. Same with same with my wife's
[00:09:34] family. So our our families
[00:09:37] which a lot of times when these kinds of
[00:09:39] things happen James they you'll families
[00:09:42] can break apart family's going to have a
[00:09:43] really difficult time and we made it uh
[00:09:47] our sort of part of our journey was to
[00:09:50] keep that binding of our of the strength
[00:09:52] of our family together because we have a
[00:09:55] very strong faith in God and and we're
[00:09:57] we're we're from a you mentioned from up
[00:09:59] in Rhode Island. We were raised as as uh
[00:10:02] as as Catholics in uh you know and and
[00:10:06] in in the small state of Rhode Island
[00:10:09] actually uh very very uh you know all
[00:10:12] Democrats when you want to talk
[00:10:13] political ideologies you know I was a
[00:10:16] the Democrat until recently you know I
[00:10:18] never really gave much care about
[00:10:19] politics and frankly a lot of my
[00:10:21] brothers and sisters they don't either.
[00:10:23] We our our our background is about
[00:10:26] service to the military. We have a long
[00:10:28] legacy of service to the military or law
[00:10:30] enforcement. My my father served in
[00:10:33] World War II in Korea and was retired
[00:10:35] from the military. My my my
[00:10:37] father-in-law, great guy, George Andre,
[00:10:40] he's retired state trooper and I have a
[00:10:42] lot of uh family that are law
[00:10:44] enforcement. So our our grassroots
[00:10:47] component of our lives is very
[00:10:50] grassroots and it's very serviceoriented
[00:10:52] and it's very small town family roots.
[00:10:56] And so th this is sort of this is some
[00:10:59] of the conversations that we had when we
[00:11:02] were making this decision for me to
[00:11:04] plead guilty
[00:11:06] that I didn't from your book quote uh
[00:11:09] the worst part for her was your wife was
[00:11:13] the night I made my calls to everyone I
[00:11:14] had come to a decision I was telling our
[00:11:17] loved ones that I was going to have to
[00:11:18] say something that wasn't true that this
[00:11:21] was the only way we had no choice. The
[00:11:23] next day we went to court and I plead
[00:11:25] guilty to a crime I didn't commit. Now,
[00:11:27] but we have a lot in common in the sense
[00:11:29] that I did the same thing was a class B
[00:11:31] misdemeanor in federal court in 2010.
[00:11:33] And I I I guess I've been deposed since
[00:11:36] then. And people always ask me, O'Keefe,
[00:11:38] do I
[00:11:39] >> regret that? And I would say, well, you
[00:11:41] know, it's not so much regret. I learned
[00:11:43] from it. I probably won't do that again.
[00:11:45] Do you have regrets about that?
[00:11:47] >> Uh I you know, I I do to a degree, but I
[00:11:50] can't live with regret. I don't think
[00:11:52] any of us should. Um, if you live with
[00:11:54] it, it's just going to eat you up. Um, I
[00:11:57] I did learn an awful lot. I mean, I an
[00:11:59] awful lot. I I
[00:12:00] >> What did you learn?
[00:12:01] >> I learned about, you know, the law. So,
[00:12:03] I learned about the law. I learned about
[00:12:05] uh the the the levels of uh even more
[00:12:10] than I than I thought, but the levels of
[00:12:11] corruption in our own government that is
[00:12:14] that are severe. I learned about the uh
[00:12:17] the the the sort of the traitorous
[00:12:20] networks that do exist inside of uh
[00:12:23] elements of our national security state.
[00:12:26] That's very real. I I've learned to um
[00:12:30] to be to to use uh discernment more than
[00:12:33] judgment, I think. And I think that
[00:12:35] discernment is something that I didn't
[00:12:36] think about a lot prior to all this. Uh
[00:12:40] and I think discernment is a it's a you
[00:12:42] know, it's people go discernment,
[00:12:44] judgment. they're different. Um, so I've
[00:12:46] learned a lot about discernment and
[00:12:47] really thinking through what it is that
[00:12:50] we're facing. Uh, and and there's a
[00:12:53] strategic thing that we're facing. We
[00:12:54] maybe can talk about some of that. And
[00:12:56] certainly the things that you face as
[00:12:58] families. One of the one of the uh the
[00:13:02] the outcomes of this was I began to have
[00:13:06] a conversation with the American people
[00:13:10] during this period of time. So for these
[00:13:12] three or four years that I was going
[00:13:14] through this this just just absolute
[00:13:16] hell, this this persecution for no
[00:13:20] reason other than they were trying to uh
[00:13:22] undermine and usurp a dulyeleed
[00:13:25] president, President Trump and uh take
[00:13:28] the country down a very dangerous path.
[00:13:31] Uh, I had this I started having this
[00:13:33] conversation with the American people
[00:13:35] and and actually the American people
[00:13:37] engaged me first and and how that came
[00:13:40] about was my sister Barbara was helping
[00:13:44] us out, you know, again, family coming
[00:13:46] together to to to figure out how to get
[00:13:48] through this mess. And my sister Barbara
[00:13:50] became our um she was kind of our legal
[00:13:53] defense fund guru. You know, she she at
[00:13:56] the time we were we were living in uh in
[00:13:59] Rhode Island. She at the time was living
[00:14:00] out in California. And so she became
[00:14:02] this legal defense guru to kind of help
[00:14:05] us manage. And she started sending me
[00:14:07] these boxes of letters that people were
[00:14:11] sending to her with a small check,
[00:14:14] right? Or in some cases a couple of
[00:14:16] dollars and some change. It was
[00:14:17] fascinating. But they were all with
[00:14:20] short letters. Some of them were long
[00:14:21] letters. And the first box that she sent
[00:14:24] me and she said, "Michael, I'm going to
[00:14:26] send you these things. You're not going
[00:14:28] to believe it." She read them all and
[00:14:29] she, you know, she and she was great and
[00:14:32] she goes, "You, you got to read these
[00:14:33] letters." So I started to read them, my
[00:14:34] wife and I, at home. And um and they
[00:14:38] were they were like they were letters to
[00:14:41] me and people were telling me about the
[00:14:44] challenges that they were facing in
[00:14:47] their own lives against a weaponized
[00:14:49] government. Some of it was local, uh,
[00:14:52] some of it was state level, but a lot of
[00:14:53] it was federal level. I mean, people and
[00:14:56] they were giving me their cases, their
[00:14:57] federal cases. They were giving me these
[00:14:59] just just bleeding their hearts out to
[00:15:02] me about what was happening to them and
[00:15:05] could I help them. And here I am in the
[00:15:08] midst of fighting uh my own wars, boy.
[00:15:12] Big time. And and uh and trying to
[00:15:16] trying to be a cooperative witness at
[00:15:18] the time because they were really trying
[00:15:19] to get me to to turn on D on on
[00:15:22] President Trump. You know, I went
[00:15:23] through 19 different uh interviews with
[00:15:25] the Mueller investigation team, which I
[00:15:27] don't think I've ever mentioned that.
[00:15:29] I'm not even sure I've ever written
[00:15:30] about that, be honest with you. So,
[00:15:31] maybe that's new interviews with
[00:15:33] interviews with the Mueller
[00:15:34] investigation team where I met with
[00:15:36] Mueller. I met with Andrew Wiseman. I
[00:15:38] met with
[00:15:38] >> that like I'll talk about that. But
[00:15:41] those those letters
[00:15:43] >> those letters were heartbreaking. Uh
[00:15:46] they brought me and my wife to tears.
[00:15:48] They would they were letters that were
[00:15:50] trying to bring joy to our lives.
[00:15:52] Mo most of them, I would say I'd say 75
[00:15:56] 80% of them had some sort of uh a
[00:15:59] faith-based message. The one that I've
[00:16:02] always remembered is one of the first
[00:16:03] ones that I've gotten from a woman who
[00:16:06] was describing where I was and she put
[00:16:09] it in a way and she made the analogy of
[00:16:12] where America was at. And I've used this
[00:16:15] in many times when I've spoken to
[00:16:16] different groups of people and it's the
[00:16:18] whole uh it's the whole Psalm 23 and uh
[00:16:22] you know yay that I walk through the
[00:16:23] valley of the shadow of death. I will
[00:16:24] fear no evil for you know for thou art
[00:16:27] with me right and she described that I
[00:16:30] was in that valley. She was telling me
[00:16:34] this is where I think you are and trust
[00:16:37] in the Lord that that you know that
[00:16:40] things are going to be okay. But then
[00:16:42] she went on in her letter to say that
[00:16:45] she believed that this is where the
[00:16:47] nation was at. This is where our country
[00:16:49] was at. We were not on the precipice of
[00:16:51] being of collapsing as a as a as a
[00:16:54] constitutional republic. We were
[00:16:56] actually already in a place of darkness
[00:16:58] and that unless we figured out a way out
[00:17:01] of it, our country was going to continue
[00:17:03] down this dark path and stay in that
[00:17:05] valley of the shadow of death. And what
[00:17:07] I learned from it and now you know back
[00:17:09] to the comment that you made earlier
[00:17:12] about what do you learn? One of the
[00:17:14] things that I learned is that is that
[00:17:15] you can actually come out of this
[00:17:17] valley. You can actually get out of the
[00:17:18] valley of the shadow of death by things
[00:17:21] that you have done uh in your life and
[00:17:23] and what you're what you're doing in in
[00:17:25] your in your efforts. And that is to
[00:17:28] fight for the truth. Right? We we have
[00:17:30] to but we have to stick together. We
[00:17:32] have to understand what is it that we're
[00:17:33] facing because we're today we're facing
[00:17:36] a lot of different things and you know
[00:17:39] deception, propaganda, covert operations
[00:17:41] directed against us by by our own
[00:17:43] government. The the letters though and
[00:17:46] and you know I appreciate the fact that
[00:17:48] you you had spoken to me earlier about
[00:17:50] the different books that you read that
[00:17:51] I've written.
[00:17:52] >> 50,000 letters was it something
[00:17:54] >> 100,000 over 100,000
[00:17:55] >> you wrote I think you you wrote that you
[00:17:58] wrote 50,000 letters back. So I got that
[00:18:00] first batch
[00:18:01] >> like you you hand wrote
[00:18:02] >> hand wrote I hand wrote them and when
[00:18:04] I'm going around the country people will
[00:18:06] come up to me and they'll they'll
[00:18:07] they'll bring the letter. They'll go,
[00:18:09] "Do you remember writing this?" And I'll
[00:18:10] like, "Oh my god."
[00:18:11] >> What did you did you address their
[00:18:13] specific issues or did you write them a
[00:18:15] general gratitude or
[00:18:17] >> Sometimes I would I would generally
[00:18:18] would I would say, "Thank you for your
[00:18:20] support and generosity and your kindness
[00:18:22] and uh and I but sometimes I would write
[00:18:24] like a long letter back, you know,
[00:18:27] addressing whatever their issue was. And
[00:18:30] in some cases, I would address things
[00:18:32] like, you know, they were telling me
[00:18:34] what their problem was, and I would try
[00:18:35] to give them some ideas about where to
[00:18:37] go,
[00:18:38] >> how to solve
[00:18:39] >> Yeah. how to solve the problem. You
[00:18:40] know, I mean, I'm not a lawyer. I'm not
[00:18:42] a I'm not at the time I was facing my
[00:18:44] own persecution. But but I felt
[00:18:46] compelled because, you know, that's my
[00:18:48] way. I mean, I just
[00:18:49] >> And people people do that with us all
[00:18:50] the time. They we get a hundred tips a
[00:18:52] day. Please come to Witchita to expose
[00:18:55] my municipal government. And I and I we
[00:18:57] can't possibly help all these people. So
[00:18:59] maybe they just felt good hearing from
[00:19:00] you.
[00:19:01] >> Yeah. And I know that they did because
[00:19:02] they would write back and uh and in many
[00:19:04] cases I still to this day uh some I have
[00:19:08] as pen pals and uh and I love that
[00:19:11] because they're I I know in a couple of
[00:19:13] examples they're older uh people and
[00:19:16] they're probably alone and they're
[00:19:19] probably watching things going on on
[00:19:20] television or they get still got a
[00:19:22] newspaper delivered to their door maybe.
[00:19:24] Um and they and they still confide in
[00:19:27] me. uh the the things that they I I I
[00:19:30] actually some of them I have actually
[00:19:31] reached out to uh verbally and I've
[00:19:34] spoken to them. I would call them up. So
[00:19:36] many fascinating uh stories. One of them
[00:19:38] I spoke to this morning actually I spoke
[00:19:40] to a gentleman this morning.
[00:19:41] >> These are all letters that you wrote.
[00:19:43] These are emails. Yep. Yep. Not emails.
[00:19:45] These are letters. And I wrote I hand
[00:19:47] wrote uh over 100,000 letters. Long
[00:19:50] time.
[00:19:50] >> No. It's like, you know, but it but it
[00:19:52] was like for me it was um it allowed me
[00:19:56] to like uh to give something back to
[00:19:59] something that I felt like, you know, I
[00:20:01] felt like these people were the these
[00:20:04] represented they didn't represent just
[00:20:06] those few, you know, 100 thousand. These
[00:20:08] people represented the millions and
[00:20:10] millions of Americans in this country
[00:20:13] that that all feel the same way that I,
[00:20:16] you know, and what I was going through
[00:20:18] and what my family was going through.
[00:20:20] they all especially today many people
[00:20:22] are now starting to see what was
[00:20:25] happening and it's like I said it's not
[00:20:27] a h 100red thousand um it's millions and
[00:20:30] those millions of people they need to
[00:20:32] know that they have champions out there
[00:20:35] in this country and I so I I I don't
[00:20:38] know whether I ever wanted to be in this
[00:20:41] position nor I don't think you ever felt
[00:20:43] like you wanted to be in the position
[00:20:44] that you're in but this country needs
[00:20:47] champions and we need fighters And there
[00:20:50] are a lot of fighters out there, they
[00:20:51] just don't have the the the notoriety or
[00:20:54] they didn't they weren't put into the
[00:20:56] spotlight like like guys like you and I
[00:20:58] have been put into. And instead of
[00:21:00] wiltering on the vine and and and you
[00:21:03] know and stepping away and going, I'm
[00:21:05] not going to go do that. I'm done. You
[00:21:06] know, no, I think that we have to have
[00:21:09] people that are standing up strong.
[00:21:11] Well, I think that in many ways people
[00:21:13] like you and to a lesser degree me are
[00:21:16] fortunate in the sense that we're we are
[00:21:18] public figures. We can raise funds to a
[00:21:20] certain extent whereas the person who is
[00:21:22] unknown, right,
[00:21:23] >> they have a better chance of taking out.
[00:21:25] You mentioned discernment versus
[00:21:27] judgment. What do you mean by that
[00:21:28] exactly?
[00:21:29] >> Yeah, I think that you know I I look at
[00:21:30] a guy and I say you know you meet
[00:21:32] somebody and you know you you make a you
[00:21:34] make a judgment call about them, right?
[00:21:36] you say good guy, bad guy, you know,
[00:21:40] whatever. Um, I think discernment to me
[00:21:43] is actually much deeper and it takes
[00:21:47] more time to really step back and think
[00:21:50] about what it is that you are about to
[00:21:53] make a decision about. So, judgment is
[00:21:55] a, you know, can be quick, can be
[00:21:57] passing, uh, it can be right, wrong. I
[00:22:00] think discernment is one where you have
[00:22:02] to get it right and you have to uh
[00:22:05] really uh consider what it is that you
[00:22:08] are about to step into. And and I I've
[00:22:11] been quick to judge as we say sometimes,
[00:22:13] right? The phrase quick to judge. I've
[00:22:15] been quick to judge and I've been wrong.
[00:22:17] I will tell you that my my gut uh my
[00:22:20] instincts uh if I haven't followed them
[00:22:24] later on I say, "God, I should have
[00:22:25] followed my gut on that because that was
[00:22:27] my gut told me this." and uh but I
[00:22:30] didn't do it so made I made an incorrect
[00:22:32] judgment whereas discernment if I give
[00:22:35] mo much more thought to some issue uh
[00:22:38] which to me is much more powerful that's
[00:22:41] really where uh I think discernment
[00:22:43] kicks in
[00:22:44] >> discernment you know I I'm the same way
[00:22:46] I I pray for discernment
[00:22:49] >> after what I have been through but it's
[00:22:51] almost going back to the prices of my
[00:22:52] life and your family pe one guy asked me
[00:22:55] yesterday how James how do you trust
[00:22:57] anybody when you have the entire force
[00:22:59] of the the the we'll get into this later
[00:23:02] but the deep state the administrative
[00:23:05] state the big pharma companies are
[00:23:06] coming down on you and they'll target
[00:23:08] they'll leverage any weakness of any man
[00:23:10] that stands beside you
[00:23:12] >> how do you what what type of people can
[00:23:14] you find around you
[00:23:16] >> perfect angels
[00:23:18] >> how do you deal with that
[00:23:19] >> yeah well number one I think uh for me
[00:23:23] is family
[00:23:24] >> family
[00:23:25] >> family's for sure because I come from a
[00:23:26] big family and like I've said and and
[00:23:28] Our family was raised uh as a very tough
[00:23:31] >> Well, let's talk about that. Let's talk
[00:23:33] about your I
[00:23:34] >> I got this book here. I was most
[00:23:35] interested in your in the uh the details
[00:23:38] about your upbringing. Rhode Island,
[00:23:40] which is just north of of new new uh
[00:23:43] middle town, was it?
[00:23:44] >> Right. Right. Which is just north of
[00:23:46] >> I always say Rhode Island is the
[00:23:47] smallest state in the union. It's a
[00:23:49] 1-hour drive, but it's got 400 miles of
[00:23:51] coastline. Newport Middletown area.
[00:23:53] Newport's the the more well-known area
[00:23:56] of uh of Rhode Island. Of course,
[00:23:57] Providence is
[00:23:58] >> Middletown is just north of Newport,
[00:23:59] >> right?
[00:24:00] >> And you're you're a hectic family of 11.
[00:24:03] >> This is from your book, The Field of
[00:24:04] Flight.
[00:24:05] >> Quote, "It was the turmoil and my own
[00:24:07] dangerous behavior as an adolescent that
[00:24:10] led me to my ability to get inside our
[00:24:12] enemy's heads.
[00:24:14] >> Turmoil in the in the in the home
[00:24:15] amongst all the the people.
[00:24:17] >> Yeah. Turmoil in the home, turmoil in my
[00:24:19] neighborhood where I grew up with with
[00:24:21] the with the uh the group of kids that I
[00:24:23] grew up with. uh you know we we uh we're
[00:24:27] you know sort of roughians all all
[00:24:29] athletes all played sports at some level
[00:24:32] um you know but definitely in the home
[00:24:35] uh because of so many kids you know we
[00:24:37] have
[00:24:37] >> onebedroom house one bathroom house
[00:24:38] >> well it's a yeah one bathroom it's it's
[00:24:41] an amazing story I think I tell it in
[00:24:42] there a little bit where it's a it's a
[00:24:45] 1200 foot home 11 people two of course
[00:24:48] with my parents one bathroom the
[00:24:51] bathroom was not a wasn't a uh a a a
[00:24:54] bathtub. It was a shower head and in a
[00:24:57] little enclosed like very small closet.
[00:25:00] So you'd stand in there toilet sink. And
[00:25:03] so during the during the morning uh
[00:25:06] which my father was a military guy, you
[00:25:07] know, my father was a you know he
[00:25:09] retired from the army as a masterard and
[00:25:11] goes in and becomes a teller in a bank.
[00:25:14] And uh it's just so funny thinking about
[00:25:16] it. But but we would be lined up at the
[00:25:18] bathroom. So there'd be somebody on the
[00:25:20] on the John, somebody brushing their
[00:25:21] teeth, somebody waiting outside the
[00:25:23] door, and uh somebody literally in the
[00:25:26] shower and you would just you would move
[00:25:28] like a like military
[00:25:29] >> like a military operation. Yeah.
[00:25:31] >> Nine kids.
[00:25:32] >> Nine children.
[00:25:33] >> How long of it was it an hour or how
[00:25:34] much time do you have to get that?
[00:25:36] >> Not much. My My father was a funny guy,
[00:25:39] you know, was Irish Irish tough Irish
[00:25:41] guy. And he would come back and he would
[00:25:43] always say, you know, if you live till
[00:25:45] you're 75 and you sleep eight hours a
[00:25:47] day, you're going to sleep for 25 years.
[00:25:49] So get your asses out of bed now. And
[00:25:51] and you know, like you think about that
[00:25:52] for a second what I just said, right?
[00:25:55] >> It's pretty staggering if you because
[00:25:57] everybody always goes, "Get a good
[00:25:58] night's rest." My father wasn't like
[00:25:59] that. My father was like, "Get up, get
[00:26:01] out, and you're going to work." And so
[00:26:03] we had, you know, newspaper routes, we
[00:26:05] had we worked in in restaurants. We
[00:26:08] worked at beaches. We did, you know, we
[00:26:10] did whatever we could as kids, but
[00:26:12] that's what we were going to do. And and
[00:26:14] our house was a was operated like a like
[00:26:16] almost like a a military machine. And my
[00:26:19] mother was great. My mother was a
[00:26:21] beautiful woman. And uh she was all
[00:26:23] about education because she, you know,
[00:26:27] she was a very very smart uh woman. And
[00:26:29] uh
[00:26:30] >> Helen.
[00:26:30] >> Helen. Yeah. My mother Helen.
[00:26:32] >> Was she also Irish?
[00:26:33] >> She was. And uh my mother was um thank
[00:26:36] God that she decided to marry Charlie.
[00:26:38] and have kids because my mother
[00:26:40] graduating from high school at the at
[00:26:42] the era of World War II. She was the
[00:26:44] salutotoran and validictorian of her
[00:26:46] high school class and was and was given
[00:26:48] a full ride into a uh into an Ivy League
[00:26:51] college and she turned it down because
[00:26:53] she wanted to wait for my father to come
[00:26:55] back from World War II from Germany
[00:26:57] where he fought and uh and marry him.
[00:26:59] So, and she always wanted to have
[00:27:01] children and so um thank God and you
[00:27:04] know here we are.
[00:27:05] >> Your parents when did they pass away? My
[00:27:07] my father uh died in uh in the mid '9s.
[00:27:10] My mother died uh 2014, so a little over
[00:27:14] 10 years ago.
[00:27:15] >> Um what what led you to the intelligence
[00:27:18] field? How did that happen? You talked a
[00:27:20] little about how you get inside the the
[00:27:24] well this phrase inside the enemy's
[00:27:26] heads. What what made you that way?
[00:27:28] >> Yeah, it's funny. So two two things and
[00:27:30] I tell this now and I think I realize it
[00:27:33] I realize it now more but when my um so
[00:27:37] my mother was very very religious
[00:27:40] wonderful woman she named us all for uh
[00:27:44] after saints okay so I'll just tell this
[00:27:46] story because I I didn't know it at the
[00:27:48] time and I certainly didn't know it as a
[00:27:50] child growing up but uh but I fell into
[00:27:53] this you know as your as your name can
[00:27:55] can matter you know the definition of
[00:27:57] your name right and So uh my mother had
[00:28:00] had you know miscarriages here and there
[00:28:02] and uh um so the diff my my uh my
[00:28:07] particular birth was uh was was
[00:28:09] uncertain. Um I was born on Christmas
[00:28:12] Eve. She names me Michael but because of
[00:28:15] my birth was uncertain. She also named
[00:28:17] me Thomas. So my middle name is Thomas.
[00:28:18] And so my mother named us after first
[00:28:21] and middle names after saints. And uh so
[00:28:25] kind of put that, you know, in a bin.
[00:28:28] Later on when I um was gra, you know,
[00:28:31] coming out of high school, going into
[00:28:32] college, I went to the University of
[00:28:34] Rhode Island, which is a state
[00:28:35] university across the the the bay from
[00:28:38] my house. I wanted to go into the I
[00:28:40] always wanted to go into the army. I
[00:28:42] knew it from the time I was a kid.
[00:28:43] Wanted to go into the military. Um and
[00:28:46] so I ended up with a ROC scholarship.
[00:28:48] And I actually talk about it in the book
[00:28:50] how that occurred. the um people that
[00:28:53] impact your life. So I had a I had a
[00:28:55] couple of people that I met at the
[00:28:57] University of Rhode Island in the ROC
[00:28:58] department and one of wh one of whom was
[00:29:01] the um the professor of military
[00:29:04] science. The lieutenant colonel had been
[00:29:06] uh special forces guy had come out of
[00:29:09] Vietnam era and he had very brave guy
[00:29:12] and he was uh infantry but he got into
[00:29:15] the intelligence business later on in
[00:29:17] his career. So he was a lieutenant
[00:29:18] colonel. He had about 20 years in. And
[00:29:20] he sat me down and he looked at
[00:29:22] everything. He, you know, I was into
[00:29:24] athletics. I was a decent student. Um,
[00:29:27] and he just said, "You know what? You
[00:29:28] need to think about, you need to think
[00:29:30] about going into the intelligence career
[00:29:32] field." And specifically
[00:29:34] at that time, he said, "The field of
[00:29:37] electronic warfare is growing." And he
[00:29:39] said that I I think that that's the
[00:29:41] direction that I would recommend you go
[00:29:43] into. And I was like, "Really?" Yeah.
[00:29:45] Yeah, cuz I was figuring I'll go in the
[00:29:46] infantry or you know, one of the combat
[00:29:48] arms branches. And uh so he goes, "No,"
[00:29:50] he goes, "I think that's what you should
[00:29:52] do." And so, uh I also said to him
[00:29:55] during that same conversation, I said,
[00:29:57] "Boy, I really like to go to the 82nd
[00:29:58] Airborne Division," which was my first
[00:30:00] unit that I ended up going to. He goes,
[00:30:02] "No problem." He goes, "They have they
[00:30:03] have a great capabilities and uh it's a
[00:30:06] great unit, and so I think I can help
[00:30:08] you do that he goes, "You got to do
[00:30:09] really well, you know, in your grades
[00:30:11] and and the and the and the various ROC
[00:30:14] programs, which I always excelled at.
[00:30:16] All the all the hands-on stuff I was
[00:30:18] always really good at. And the
[00:30:20] leadership stuff I always had a lot of
[00:30:22] fun. And I think a lot of that
[00:30:23] leadership stuff came out of
[00:30:25] >> What What did the the the guy who was
[00:30:27] recruiting you, what did he see in you
[00:30:28] that made him say, "You should think
[00:30:30] about electronic warfare?"
[00:30:32] >> Yeah. you know, I um in the things that
[00:30:35] we did, I I you know, and I guess, you
[00:30:38] know, he saw I was really good with
[00:30:40] hands-on stuff and my time as an athlete
[00:30:46] and and um and being uh and leading
[00:30:50] teams
[00:30:52] uh which we always did in in in ROC as
[00:30:55] well. We'd always be put into
[00:30:56] situations. We had a good ROTC program
[00:30:58] actually at a state university which is
[00:31:00] unusual at that time postvietnam.
[00:31:03] Um I I think what he saw in me was
[00:31:05] somebody that just thought differently
[00:31:07] you know I mean a lot of people can go
[00:31:09] into the infantry if you say I'm going
[00:31:10] to go in the infantry you know you can
[00:31:12] go in and typically but it's not you
[00:31:14] know it's not for everybody and that was
[00:31:16] something that I thought I would do but
[00:31:18] I think he saw and said you know you
[00:31:20] ought to really think about this. So I I
[00:31:22] went and studied it. I actually went and
[00:31:23] studied that, you know, what was this
[00:31:25] about? You know, the intelligence field,
[00:31:27] counter intelligence, electronic
[00:31:29] warfare, electronic support measures,
[00:31:31] signals intelligence, uh, imagery
[00:31:33] intelligence at that time, we had all
[00:31:35] those things. They just not as robust as
[00:31:37] they are today. So
[00:31:40] for a guy that that had really only seen
[00:31:43] me for a year, let's say, when I when we
[00:31:46] had that conversation about what I was
[00:31:48] going to ask for, he he saw something in
[00:31:51] me and he had 20 years in the service.
[00:31:53] And my my father when I went back cuz my
[00:31:55] father was still alive at the time. When
[00:31:57] I went back and told my father about it,
[00:31:58] he said, "Great." He said, "I I I think
[00:32:00] it's wonderful. It's a great thing." He
[00:32:02] said, "You he said, "Go for it." He just
[00:32:04] my father really I think liked the fact
[00:32:07] that somebody uh took interest in me. Um
[00:32:11] you know and then my father taught me
[00:32:13] other things about uh going into the
[00:32:15] service and they were very important
[00:32:17] things and very important ideas about
[00:32:19] how to act and how to operate when
[00:32:21] you're in the military.
[00:32:22] >> What do you think your father would say
[00:32:23] about all the stuff that's happened to
[00:32:24] you over the last 8 to 10 years?
[00:32:26] >> Yeah. I mean if there if if he could
[00:32:28] legitimately break out of his grave, he
[00:32:30] would he would break out. he would jump
[00:32:32] right out of his grave today. I mean, my
[00:32:34] father would was
[00:32:35] >> Would it surprise him?
[00:32:36] >> Um, I don't think it would surprise him.
[00:32:39] Uh, neither him nor my mother because
[00:32:42] they were both people who stayed on top
[00:32:44] of things. They were both very, you
[00:32:46] know, they read a lot. They would talk
[00:32:48] to us a lot. We would have I mean, we
[00:32:50] had a in our in our like little tiny
[00:32:53] dining room, if you will. So, you come
[00:32:55] in the front door of our house. I
[00:32:56] mentioned our the size of our house. Our
[00:32:58] dining room table was a picnic table.
[00:33:00] Okay. It was a wooden picnic table with
[00:33:03] uh these nylon chairs at either end for
[00:33:05] my mother and father and it was attached
[00:33:08] benches to the picnic table. So we would
[00:33:10] sit around that picnic table and we
[00:33:12] would have debates about everything. And
[00:33:14] my mother was very into local politics
[00:33:17] at the time. She was also uh the the
[00:33:20] president of the right to life uh
[00:33:22] movement in huge pro my mother was huge
[00:33:25] pro-life ahead of it for a while you
[00:33:27] know during the days before Roie Wade
[00:33:29] right and then even Roie Wade you know
[00:33:32] she she took me down to the first march
[00:33:34] in in uh in Washington DC but we would
[00:33:37] sit around as brothers and sisters and
[00:33:38] as family members and anybody that came
[00:33:40] in that door they had to be prepared to
[00:33:43] get into a debate or an argument or a
[00:33:45] fight um you know at times with uh with
[00:33:48] my brothers and sisters. That was just
[00:33:50] our nature. That was the way we were. So
[00:33:52] my father and mother today,
[00:33:54] >> they would not be surprised.
[00:33:56] >> They would be standing up and fighting.
[00:33:58] You know, if they had the energy to do
[00:33:59] it, they would be doing it right here
[00:34:00] with us.
[00:34:01] >> Um there's so much to go through, but
[00:34:04] just as an aside, you're from Rhode
[00:34:06] Island. I'm a big I'm an avid sailor.
[00:34:08] And I think you wrote somewhere in one
[00:34:09] of your books, it may have been this
[00:34:10] one, that you jumped off a bridge.
[00:34:13] >> Was it 75 ft?
[00:34:14] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[00:34:15] >> Sconic. The Sconic. iconic bridge and
[00:34:17] then a police officer thought someone
[00:34:19] thought you committed suicide
[00:34:21] >> but it was you were just what was the
[00:34:22] reason you were jumping off the bridge
[00:34:23] is for sport.
[00:34:24] >> Yeah. Yeah. It was uh you know it was
[00:34:26] one of those dares. Right. Right. Dare.
[00:34:28] I dare you. And uh there was a place
[00:34:31] called Island Park. So, anybody that's
[00:34:33] watching, any of the audience that's
[00:34:35] watching, uh, in this in the state of
[00:34:37] Rhode Island on the island of Aquidnik
[00:34:40] in the town of Portsouth, there's a
[00:34:42] little bridge and, uh, and we used to,
[00:34:45] you know, go over and jump on that
[00:34:46] bridge all the time. It's island island
[00:34:48] park bridge and it's a pretty good
[00:34:50] pretty good jump. It's about probably 30
[00:34:52] feet. Boats pass under it. Um, and we
[00:34:55] used to jump off it all the time. Right
[00:34:58] adjacent to it, right around the corner,
[00:35:00] you can see it from the from the uh from
[00:35:02] that bridge is the Sconet Bridge. The
[00:35:04] Sconet Bridge is actually the bridge
[00:35:06] that goes off the island and goes into
[00:35:08] the next town. It connects you to the
[00:35:10] mainland. And that bridge is a goodiz
[00:35:13] bridge. It's about 75 ft, you know, give
[00:35:16] or take, you know,
[00:35:17] >> 75 ft.
[00:35:18] >> Pretty high. That's high. And so we were
[00:35:20] there one day and my brother-in-law at
[00:35:23] the time who's deceased now, Kyle for
[00:35:26] anybody his maybe his his son is Eddie
[00:35:28] is watching. Um Kyle and I said, "Let's
[00:35:31] go." You know, people said, "Ah, you so
[00:35:33] we said we're going to go over there."
[00:35:34] So we actually parked at the bottom of
[00:35:36] the bridge. There's a little road that
[00:35:38] goes down the bottom. It comes up to
[00:35:39] like a little beach, little beach head.
[00:35:41] And we walked up just in our shorts. We
[00:35:43] walked up to the uh the side, walked got
[00:35:46] on the road. It's a It's a highway. We
[00:35:48] walked along the highway on a on a
[00:35:49] sidewalk on the bridge and we stood on
[00:35:51] the on the on the stansions of the
[00:35:53] bridge and uh jumped and uh you know we
[00:35:57] generally knew how deep it was cuz big
[00:35:59] ship big boats pass and currents go
[00:36:01] through there.
[00:36:02] >> Currents go through there you know big
[00:36:03] boats pass through there. So, it's a
[00:36:04] pretty, you know, the depth of that area
[00:36:06] is pretty good, pretty good depth. And
[00:36:09] so, took a leap and uh you know, both of
[00:36:12] us are are were strong at the time and
[00:36:14] and uh you know, made it. And so, what
[00:36:17] happened was somebody reported us for
[00:36:20] jumping off the bridge thinking that
[00:36:22] that you know, hey, these guys I think
[00:36:24] these people are committing suicide. So,
[00:36:26] as soon as we got to the beach, by the
[00:36:28] time we literally swam to the shore, a
[00:36:30] state trooper had come down to that same
[00:36:33] area where the the car was parked. And
[00:36:36] he got out, you know, of course, we're
[00:36:38] swimming up to the side of the of the
[00:36:40] water there of the of the beach. And he
[00:36:42] looks at us and he's like, "Are you guys
[00:36:44] out of your minds? What what the hell
[00:36:46] are you kids doing?" And so, he took our
[00:36:48] names and took a little report down and
[00:36:50] and uh he you know, he was a good guy
[00:36:52] and he we just said, "Sorry, trooper.
[00:36:54] you know, where, you know, we generally
[00:36:56] jump off of the island park bridge. He
[00:36:58] goes, "Get the hell out of here, go
[00:37:00] home." You know, I'm going to let the
[00:37:02] guy, you know, he he said, "Somebody
[00:37:04] will know about it." And my my father
[00:37:06] knew about it.
[00:37:06] >> How old were you?
[00:37:07] >> At the time,
[00:37:08] >> I think I was probably uh 16, 17 years
[00:37:13] old, so high school.
[00:37:14] >> And And how old were you when you jumped
[00:37:16] on into the water in Grenada? We'll get
[00:37:17] to that story later, but was that
[00:37:20] >> When I jumped in Yeah. when I jumped in
[00:37:21] the water and grenaded to go after those
[00:37:23] couple of guys. I was a uh I was a
[00:37:25] lieutenant, so I was probably 24
[00:37:28] >> 24 years old. Uh we'll we'll get to that
[00:37:30] um here. We're going to take a break in
[00:37:32] a minute, but um I've sailed I've sailed
[00:37:34] those waters. Block Island, spent a lot
[00:37:35] of time on Block Island. Absolutely.
[00:37:36] Take that
[00:37:37] >> over in Block Island.
[00:37:39] >> Point Judith,
[00:37:40] >> the new harbor, the old harbor.
[00:37:42] >> I I've sailed the Block Island. a lot of
[00:37:43] fog coming in on my sailboat but coming
[00:37:47] around that point Judith point of refuge
[00:37:49] is it right
[00:37:50] >> spent a lot of time and that you you
[00:37:51] you're a water person
[00:37:53] >> big time I grew up on an island
[00:37:54] generally and uh and I actually I write
[00:37:56] about my my mom teaching us all how to
[00:37:58] swim it's like you were going to learn
[00:38:00] how to swim before you before you maybe
[00:38:02] ate but you certainly you're going to
[00:38:04] learn how to swim before you walk and my
[00:38:06] mom used to have a unique way of
[00:38:07] teaching us how to swim which is as
[00:38:09] babies she'd dump us in the pool and
[00:38:11] you'd have to come up right And then she
[00:38:13] would be there to of course yank you up
[00:38:15] if you didn't make it, but generally
[00:38:16] you'd make it up. And uh and then after
[00:38:19] a bit, you'd learn how to swim. And I
[00:38:20] think as each child grew up, the sub the
[00:38:24] next children would teach each other and
[00:38:26] help each other. But we all learned how
[00:38:27] to swim.
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[00:41:08] All right, we are back at the Price Isis
[00:41:10] My Life podcast with General Michael
[00:41:12] Flynn talking about his upbringing and
[00:41:14] now we're going to talk about talk about
[00:41:16] Grenada for a minute. I I was reading
[00:41:19] about the book. I was reading the field
[00:41:21] of flight and you went to Grenada, your
[00:41:25] first combat operation. How many combat
[00:41:27] things have you done?
[00:41:28] >> Sure.
[00:41:29] >> List them.
[00:41:29] >> Over the years, uh I would say in in
[00:41:34] some type of capacity
[00:41:36] o close to close to five years, maybe
[00:41:39] over five years. And just just to give
[00:41:41] the audience some context,
[00:41:42] >> five years of combat experience in my 33
[00:41:45] years of, you know, military service.
[00:41:47] >> Give the audience some context for what
[00:41:49] Grenada was about and why we went there.
[00:41:51] >> Yeah. Grenada was essentially um the
[00:41:54] takeover by Cuba, Cuban elements, Cuban
[00:41:57] communists of the island of Grenada. And
[00:42:01] um there was US students there. There
[00:42:03] was a a university there. But it was a
[00:42:06] it was this this sort of the the
[00:42:09] communist presence in in Caribbean
[00:42:11] nations that the United States political
[00:42:14] leaders at the time did not want. Reagan
[00:42:16] was the president and it was wherever
[00:42:18] they tried to to pressure um or place
[00:42:22] Cuban presence or communist presence on
[00:42:25] some of these islands. I think the
[00:42:26] Reagan administration was we're not
[00:42:28] going to have that. So um so I was part
[00:42:31] of a of an effort. I was in the 82nd
[00:42:33] Airborne Division at the time as young
[00:42:34] officer and u and the 82nd parts of it
[00:42:38] was were deployed there. So
[00:42:39] >> um I read a quote in your book which
[00:42:41] resonated with me because I do want to
[00:42:43] get to the to the mind control and to
[00:42:45] the fifth generation warfare and
[00:42:47] obviously your whole life in 2017. We
[00:42:51] could spend an hour on any one of these
[00:42:52] items, but we have only an hour and a
[00:42:54] half left. Um, and I just thought it was
[00:42:57] interesting, which is what you said, uh,
[00:43:00] like the Soviets,
[00:43:02] I don't even know how to pronounce
[00:43:03] Grenadian. Is that correct? Grenadian.
[00:43:04] Grenadian.
[00:43:05] >> The Grenadian communists were confident
[00:43:07] of their ultimate victory. They were
[00:43:09] confident of their ultimate victory. The
[00:43:11] laws of history guaranteed it and they
[00:43:14] wanted to be sure that their part in the
[00:43:16] story was properly told. And I and I
[00:43:18] underlined that because I felt that
[00:43:20] there's another book by uh Douglas Hide
[00:43:22] called Dedication and Leadership where
[00:43:24] it's almost like sometimes these
[00:43:26] communists
[00:43:27] >> are more devout than even Christians
[00:43:30] are. And I just wanted to get your
[00:43:31] perspective on that.
[00:43:32] >> Well, when you're when you're devout to
[00:43:34] uh you know a non-devout,
[00:43:38] you know, your de devotion should be to
[00:43:40] God and and and there's all the
[00:43:42] mysteries that go with that. But as a
[00:43:44] communist, your devotion is to like your
[00:43:48] your your government, your you know,
[00:43:51] whatever that cause is, right? And it's
[00:43:53] and it's uh and they're they're zealots
[00:43:57] actually. Uh and you know, Zealot is a
[00:44:00] is actually an old tribe. Um but uh
[00:44:04] yeah, it's so much different. It's so
[00:44:05] much different. It's hard for a lot of
[00:44:07] people to understand. And what's really
[00:44:09] hard and and as I describe it in in uh
[00:44:11] in that book, Field the Fight, the um it
[00:44:14] was about that time and that was 1983
[00:44:20] and here we are whatever that number is
[00:44:23] 40 years later, 50 years later, 40 years
[00:44:25] later in 2025
[00:44:28] and we have that same zealatry, that
[00:44:31] same devotion by elements inside of our
[00:44:34] own country frank and and very
[00:44:36] specifically inside of our own federal
[00:44:38] government for sure and other aspects of
[00:44:41] our government. So this this devotion to
[00:44:43] a cause that is not uh to uh you know a
[00:44:47] devotion to a to the deity that I
[00:44:49] believe in which is God Almighty then
[00:44:51] then uh it's a really it it's it's
[00:44:54] something that's hard for people to
[00:44:56] understand. And I've had the I've had
[00:44:58] the ability uh and honor really the
[00:45:00] privilege I guess if you say you know
[00:45:02] service to country um I've had the
[00:45:05] privilege to be able to to interview uh
[00:45:08] participate in interrogations of some of
[00:45:10] these people and and try to understand
[00:45:14] where's your head at, right? Why is it
[00:45:16] that you believe so intensely in what
[00:45:20] your cause is? And uh it's hard for
[00:45:22] people to understand that.
[00:45:24] >> What did you learn doing that? Well, I
[00:45:25] mean, you know, when you think about
[00:45:27] somebody, I mean, I'm willing to give
[00:45:29] and I was willing to give my life for my
[00:45:32] country, right? And for uh the the
[00:45:36] person on my left or my right or my
[00:45:38] family back home, uh my for my freedoms
[00:45:41] to protect our freedoms. These are
[00:45:43] people that are willing to give their
[00:45:45] they they will give up their life for
[00:45:47] something totally different. And you
[00:45:49] know, you think about uh someone who
[00:45:51] puts on a suicide vest and and will go
[00:45:53] blow up, you know, or or drive a car
[00:45:56] into a a group of people uh of children
[00:45:59] and and women or shoppers, right? And
[00:46:01] you think you think that's just that's
[00:46:04] unnatural. It's inhuman. It's evil. And
[00:46:06] I do think that we are now seeing it in
[00:46:09] our country. Then uh at that time it it
[00:46:13] was it began the the rise of this
[00:46:16] insidiousness
[00:46:18] in 1983 and Reagan was the one obviously
[00:46:21] that said, you know, in a speech, we're
[00:46:23] one generation away from losing all of
[00:46:25] our freedoms. He said it after that, but
[00:46:28] we're not one generation away anymore,
[00:46:30] folks. Right? We're like one presidency
[00:46:32] away. We're we're we're one, you know,
[00:46:34] we're one event away, possibly. Um so I
[00:46:38] I think that where we are where I
[00:46:41] learned there in uh you know in that
[00:46:45] particular statement that you make is
[00:46:47] and I and I have faced not just those
[00:46:50] types of of communists on the
[00:46:52] battlefield but also radicalized
[00:46:55] Islamists on the battlefield in other
[00:46:57] parts of the world.
[00:46:58] >> Let's talk about let's talk about we got
[00:46:59] so much to get through. Yeah. Um Iraq
[00:47:02] and Afghanistan. you revolutionaries
[00:47:04] intelligence gathering by insisting on
[00:47:06] real-time data sharing across military
[00:47:08] branches and team. My production team, I
[00:47:10] think we got some photos. Uh this is
[00:47:12] from and uh uh
[00:47:16] photos of Flynn in military uniform here
[00:47:18] on the big screen.
[00:47:19] >> Yeah, my brother Charlie and I. Yeah,
[00:47:20] >> that's Charlie Flynn.
[00:47:22] >> Yeah, Charlie just retired as a
[00:47:23] fourstar.
[00:47:24] >> Uh that's in Afghanistan.
[00:47:27] >> Afghanistan. This is what 2001. Uh,
[00:47:29] that's probably 2000 circa 2008
[00:47:33] May. No, no, that'd be 2007 probably.
[00:47:36] >> And J- Sock,
[00:47:37] >> right?
[00:47:38] >> Your J- Sock career,
[00:47:39] >> right? Join special operations command.
[00:47:40] That's my that's me and my brother
[00:47:42] Charlie uh in the uh the the operations
[00:47:45] center in uh uh in Afghanistan in Kbble.
[00:47:49] That's probably 200 8 time frame, maybe
[00:47:53] seven. Right. You were appointed
[00:47:55] director of the DIA, that's the
[00:47:57] intelligence agency in 2012 by President
[00:47:59] Obama. How did that work? I'm just
[00:48:01] curious. How does it work to be
[00:48:02] appointed to that?
[00:48:03] >> Yeah, that's President Obama reach out
[00:48:05] to you. How does that work?
[00:48:06] >> And that's a good that's good. That
[00:48:08] picture right there that you just
[00:48:08] showed, that's the one that was on the
[00:48:10] cover the cover of Rolling Stone. That
[00:48:12] was uh was
[00:48:13] >> Stanley Mcrist.
[00:48:14] >> Yeah. Was with
[00:48:15] >> that was the 2010 article written by
[00:48:17] Michael Hastings.
[00:48:18] >> Right. So, how do you get picked for
[00:48:20] some of these jobs? I actually got
[00:48:21] picked for two critical jobs uh by uh
[00:48:25] and appointed by Barack Obama. How you
[00:48:28] get chosen for those? And the first one
[00:48:30] was assistant director of national
[00:48:31] intelligence and I served at the highest
[00:48:34] level there of the intelligence
[00:48:35] community. And then of course the next
[00:48:36] one was the director of defense
[00:48:37] intelligence agency which is one of the
[00:48:40] largest intelligence agencies in the
[00:48:42] world. Um so how you get picked is you
[00:48:44] know your performance your your network
[00:48:47] the people that you work for over the
[00:48:49] years. Uh, and I and I remember uh in uh
[00:48:53] August of of uh 2010, so August of 2010,
[00:48:58] I got a phone call from from uh none
[00:49:01] other than James Clapper. Okay.
[00:49:04] >> That's the guy who lied under oath.
[00:49:05] >> Totally a couple of times actually.
[00:49:08] Yeah. And it was very, you know, I mean,
[00:49:10] you know, Clapper, I just can't, you
[00:49:13] know, I mean, today anyway, we'll talk
[00:49:15] about him maybe. But in the in the uh
[00:49:17] August of 2010, I got a phone call and
[00:49:20] he basically said, "Hey, we're going to
[00:49:22] bring you back to Washington DC and
[00:49:25] we're going to put you at the uh up in
[00:49:28] the ODNI at that time." He was he was
[00:49:30] actually the director of national
[00:49:31] intelligence at that time. And uh he
[00:49:34] said that we are um we're going to put
[00:49:36] you in a holding pattern, a holding job,
[00:49:38] which actually turned out to be a really
[00:49:40] good job, which is was at the DNI level.
[00:49:43] and he goes, "Um, we're going to make
[00:49:45] you the next director of DIA after the
[00:49:47] current guy stepped down." And so, so I
[00:49:51] said, "Well, when's all that supposed to
[00:49:52] happen?" This is literally a phone call,
[00:49:54] secure phone call. He's calling me up.
[00:49:56] Uh, and I said, "When's that going to
[00:49:57] happen?" He goes, "We're going to make
[00:49:58] it happen here in a couple of months."
[00:50:00] He goes, "You got a couple month more
[00:50:01] months out there." At that time I was
[00:50:03] working for Dave Petraeus, General
[00:50:05] Petraeus, Stanley Mcrist in that picture
[00:50:07] that we just saw had had just been
[00:50:09] relieved in uh in the the June time
[00:50:12] frame
[00:50:12] >> after that article came out.
[00:50:13] >> After that article came out, I stayed on
[00:50:16] um and I stayed on with Dave Petraeus
[00:50:18] for about another I don't know another
[00:50:19] five months or so. And uh then I went
[00:50:22] back to Washington DC and what happens
[00:50:24] is you there's a there's a technical
[00:50:27] paperwork thing that goes through the
[00:50:28] system. you get you get nominated, you
[00:50:31] get appointed. The president of the
[00:50:32] United States has to stamp off on it.
[00:50:34] Um, and then you go and you get have to
[00:50:37] get confirmed in front of the US Senate,
[00:50:38] which I did twice, fully confirmed. So,
[00:50:42] all these people, you know, only a
[00:50:44] couple of years later that were calling
[00:50:45] me all kinds of names, they had sat
[00:50:47] there, saw my whole background, and
[00:50:49] confirmed me for two vital national
[00:50:52] security positions.
[00:50:53] >> How did you clash with the
[00:50:54] administration over ISIS and Iran and
[00:50:56] Islam?
[00:50:57] >> Yeah. So I really the first thing that
[00:51:00] really came about was um
[00:51:04] I I was part and put my name on of an
[00:51:07] article that we wrote in Afghanistan and
[00:51:10] it was uh a blueprint for fixing the for
[00:51:13] fixing the problems in Afghanistan and
[00:51:15] it really it got the CIA really upset at
[00:51:19] me and uh and Bob Gates was the
[00:51:21] Secretary of Defense at the time and he
[00:51:23] said he told everybody in Washington DC
[00:51:25] shut up the papers was brilliant. We got
[00:51:28] a war to fight. This guy's out in
[00:51:30] Afghanistan doing what he needs to be
[00:51:32] doing. Let's move out, you know. Let's
[00:51:34] let's move on. That was number one. And
[00:51:36] I didn't know I didn't realize until
[00:51:38] later on how much the CIA was so pissed
[00:51:41] off at me about that. Then as time went
[00:51:44] on, as I'm now in DIA, I started to to
[00:51:47] clash with Jim Clapper and John Brennan,
[00:51:50] who was the director of the CIA at the
[00:51:52] time. I started a clash with them o over
[00:51:55] the assessments for Afghanistan and then
[00:51:57] the assessments for Iran. And you know
[00:52:00] the assessments for Afghanistan were
[00:52:02] were really just you know lie after lie
[00:52:05] after lie. Assessments on ISIS were were
[00:52:09] lie after lie after lie. I I was very
[00:52:11] public in a in a hearing in in front of
[00:52:13] Congress where I they were asked
[00:52:16] questions. They being director Comey,
[00:52:18] Director Brennan, Director Clapper, and
[00:52:20] me all asked about the rise of ISIS and
[00:52:23] the and the talking point by the
[00:52:24] administration was ISIS, you know, Bin
[00:52:27] Laden's been killed. Al-Qaeda's on the
[00:52:30] run and and there's no problems here.
[00:52:32] And I I sat there and said, "No,
[00:52:34] actually, it's pretty bad." And they're
[00:52:36] now in about 24 25 countries. So, that
[00:52:39] was number two. The third point was the
[00:52:42] Iraq uh Iran and the Iran nuclear
[00:52:45] weapons program that um that the Obama
[00:52:48] administration was promoting and I was
[00:52:50] against it in uniform. I I you know I
[00:52:54] didn't come out publicly and say
[00:52:56] anything. I was very you know chain of
[00:52:58] command guy and uh I let it be known and
[00:53:01] then I was let go and u you were let go.
[00:53:03] I was let go from DIA probably a year
[00:53:06] >> because of this
[00:53:07] >> because of the tension because I wasn't
[00:53:09] going to buy their right? And
[00:53:11] they're they're lying to the American
[00:53:13] people and you know and they just wasn't
[00:53:16] going to going to do it. So, I wasn't
[00:53:18] going to compromise myself.
[00:53:19] >> My producer is asking me to ask this
[00:53:21] question from one of our audiences. Do
[00:53:23] you think that the uh that Clapper is a
[00:53:25] traitor? Um, I think that Jim Clapper, I
[00:53:28] mean, trader, uh, people need to look at
[00:53:31] the definition of it, but has he been a
[00:53:34] traitor to Mike Flynn? Speaking for
[00:53:36] myself, yes.
[00:53:37] >> Jim Clapper was an absolute trader to
[00:53:39] me. Now, did he was he a traitor to the
[00:53:42] United States of America? I mean, I I
[00:53:44] think it's sort of in the eye of the
[00:53:46] beholder. Um did he did he participate
[00:53:50] in traitorous activities with Barack
[00:53:52] Obama and the whole affair the whole
[00:53:55] Russia gate affair? Personally I believe
[00:53:57] he did. I believe he did. I
[00:53:58] >> when I saw him in the Clapper is the guy
[00:54:01] who put his hand on his brow when he was
[00:54:02] asked about whether we spy on Americans
[00:54:05] >> wittingly or unwittingly.
[00:54:06] >> And and I as a layman you're an
[00:54:09] intelligence professional but as a
[00:54:11] layman watching I'm like this is a
[00:54:12] pretty bad liar. He's he's you know that
[00:54:15] was one of the most egregious things
[00:54:16] I've ever seen.
[00:54:17] >> Yeah. He knew he knew what was going on.
[00:54:19] I mean so you know a traitor during a
[00:54:22] time of war um you know it's it's like
[00:54:26] and I'm not a legal person on it. So I'm
[00:54:28] going to caveat it and I'm going to I'm
[00:54:29] not I don't want to beat around the bush
[00:54:30] too much about it but because it is a
[00:54:32] harsh harsh word to use for somebody.
[00:54:34] I've been called a trader a thousand
[00:54:36] times. Um, you know, it it is the one
[00:54:39] thing that I would tell and I'd say to
[00:54:41] your audience and I know that there's a
[00:54:42] lot of people watching. It's like, you
[00:54:45] know, people have asked me about, well,
[00:54:46] you know, don't you feel good about
[00:54:47] Comey being indicted? To me, James, it's
[00:54:50] absolutely heartbreaking that our
[00:54:52] country is in the place that it's in.
[00:54:54] It's heartbreaking because we, the
[00:54:57] people, have allowed it to to get here.
[00:54:59] I mean, and again, sort of speaking for
[00:55:02] myself, do I do I want to have these
[00:55:06] guys who I knew I sat with many times. I
[00:55:08] I I ran a board with with John Brennan,
[00:55:11] a counter intelligence board for two
[00:55:13] years with John Brennan. These people
[00:55:14] are snakes. They are they are
[00:55:16] subversives. They are
[00:55:18] >> what motivates them
[00:55:19] >> that what motivates them is power and
[00:55:20] more of it. And that what motivates them
[00:55:22] is is an ability to control a direction
[00:55:26] that they want the United States to go.
[00:55:28] Now, is Jim Clapper part of that? He
[00:55:31] joined he became part of it when he made
[00:55:33] the decision to stick with the Obama
[00:55:35] narrative. Okay? And I can tell you
[00:55:37] because I spoke to to uh to uh to Jim
[00:55:40] Clapper in his office at the director of
[00:55:42] national intelligence level while I was
[00:55:43] the director of of uh DIA and it was it
[00:55:47] was as the Obama administration was
[00:55:49] getting ready to go into its second
[00:55:50] term. I don't think I've ever told
[00:55:51] anybody this. Um that I said to Clapper,
[00:55:55] I said, "You know, you don't," he'd
[00:55:56] already had like 50 years in government
[00:55:58] service, right? Talk about a longtime
[00:55:59] bureaucrat. I said, "Why don't you just
[00:56:01] give it up?" This is he and I having
[00:56:03] lunch in his office. And I said, "Why
[00:56:05] don't you just step down? You've had a
[00:56:07] great career. You've done all these
[00:56:09] wonderful things." And and I said, "You
[00:56:11] know, don't you think it's time to step
[00:56:12] down?" He says, "Well, the president's
[00:56:14] asked me to uh to stay on." So Obama
[00:56:18] now, okay, because he's getting ready to
[00:56:20] go into his second term. And and to me,
[00:56:22] I said, well, you know, that's your
[00:56:24] decision obviously. And uh you know, I
[00:56:26] said, you know, maybe maybe it's time
[00:56:28] though. And I and I just I'll just
[00:56:29] giving you my two cents. This is me
[00:56:31] talking to Clapper. And I think where
[00:56:32] were you?
[00:56:33] >> I was in his office. I was the director
[00:56:35] building is that
[00:56:35] >> it's a um Liberty Crossing out in uh out
[00:56:39] in uh you know, just past CIA uh
[00:56:42] building out in that area. And I was
[00:56:44] sitting having lunch with him, having
[00:56:45] this conversation. And I'm like, you
[00:56:47] know, I I I really think that and I and
[00:56:50] I looking back today and I I hope he's
[00:56:52] listening and he he should have taken my
[00:56:54] advice and stepped down then because
[00:56:56] what happened is he got sucked into this
[00:56:58] vortex uh by Barack Obama and John
[00:57:02] Brennan and and others who we who you
[00:57:05] know names like Susan Rice, um Lisa
[00:57:08] Monaco, who just, you know, I think uh
[00:57:11] uh Deon Nunes talked about Lisa Monaco
[00:57:13] the other day on one of the one of cable
[00:57:16] news networks. Um, so that's a name that
[00:57:19] doesn't come up. Then you have others,
[00:57:20] right? Sally Yates, and there's there's
[00:57:21] a bunch of other
[00:57:22] >> and Obama, we have a little article, uh,
[00:57:26] Nick, pull it up. Obama warned, Is it
[00:57:28] true that Obama warned the president
[00:57:30] about hiring you?
[00:57:31] >> He did. He did, actually, right after
[00:57:33] the election. So, you know, and
[00:57:35] unbeknownst to me, until after the after
[00:57:37] he did it, um because Trump and I talked
[00:57:40] about it, we joked about it actually
[00:57:42] after the conversation after he flew
[00:57:44] back up to to uh New York, Trump Tower.
[00:57:47] But yeah, Obama warned President Trump
[00:57:50] to not hire me. And and you know, you're
[00:57:52] talking about the turnover of the
[00:57:55] country from one president to the next
[00:57:58] dulyeleed president. And and what does
[00:58:02] he do? He talks about two people. Kim
[00:58:04] Jong-un of North Korea, right?
[00:58:07] >> But But how did he warn the president?
[00:58:10] >> He warned him. He basically said
[00:58:11] meetingur during the meeting, he said,
[00:58:12] "I'm going to let you There's one
[00:58:14] >> political article right there.
[00:58:16] >> There's one person that you shouldn't
[00:58:17] hire, and that's and that's Mike Flynn."
[00:58:20] >> That's remarkable. Who's the other
[00:58:21] person? Do you know?
[00:58:22] >> Well, there was not another person to
[00:58:24] not hire, but there was another warning
[00:58:25] about being careful of the guy over in
[00:58:27] North Korea, right? The
[00:58:28] >> dict that he would take about you. And
[00:58:32] you know something, put that picture up
[00:58:33] for everybody to see, right? I know
[00:58:34] you're show article.
[00:58:35] >> Yeah, that one. That picture of Obama.
[00:58:37] You know that son of a I've never
[00:58:40] met him. Never had a conversation with
[00:58:42] him. Okay. So, I'm not sure I've ever
[00:58:44] said that. I talk about it in some of
[00:58:46] the books I've written. I definitely in
[00:58:48] pardon of innocence. That SOB put me
[00:58:50] into two critical jobs in the country.
[00:58:53] He appointed me. So, there's nobody else
[00:58:55] can appoint in those jobs. He appointed
[00:58:57] me, fully confirmed by the United States
[00:58:59] Senate twice. And I, you know, I was
[00:59:02] honest in my assessments. Instead of
[00:59:04] accepting the honesty for uh the
[00:59:07] assessments that I'm supposed to give as
[00:59:09] an intelligence professional, they
[00:59:11] wanted me to to to basically bow to
[00:59:14] their And that so had the had
[00:59:17] the gall to tell the the the duly
[00:59:19] elected president of the United States
[00:59:20] who not to hire. He didn't mention
[00:59:22] anybody else. He didn't say, "Don't hire
[00:59:23] Steve Bannon. Don't hire
[00:59:25] >> That's remarkable. They only brought you
[00:59:26] up." It says in that article, quote,
[00:59:28] Obama and his staff felt Flynn, you were
[00:59:31] problematic and prone to what they
[00:59:32] thought were crazy ideas.
[00:59:34] >> Yeah. Yeah. Crazy ideas. How about that?
[00:59:38] Right.
[00:59:38] >> So, speaking of that, so you said
[00:59:40] intelligence is use talking about your
[00:59:43] intelligence career here, and I think
[00:59:45] something that you've said, I don't know
[00:59:46] if you said it publicly, but I know that
[00:59:47] you said this to me previously when I
[00:59:49] saw you years ago,
[00:59:50] >> is when you were in the Pentagon, you
[00:59:52] characterized these these bureaucrats.
[00:59:54] you and I thought this was very profound
[00:59:56] and I'd like you to expound upon it for
[00:59:58] my audience. You said, "James, they're
[01:00:00] like wall watchers
[01:00:02] >> and you'd walk down the the Pentagon and
[01:00:04] people men when they pass you would look
[01:00:06] up at the the ceiling or look away,
[01:00:09] >> look at the wall.
[01:00:10] >> Can you just describe that phenomenon,
[01:00:11] what that's about?"
[01:00:12] >> I I uh was um my first Pentagon job,
[01:00:17] just to be a little context, wasn't
[01:00:20] until I was a two star in the military.
[01:00:22] So I didn't serve in the Pentagon and I
[01:00:23] served out in the field. Served in
[01:00:25] divisions and cores and and uh and in in
[01:00:28] the field we call it in the military. So
[01:00:29] my first job in the mil in the Pentagon
[01:00:31] was as a twoar. I was the head of
[01:00:33] intelligence inside the Pentagon uh
[01:00:35] working for the chairman of the joint
[01:00:37] chief. So a significant job and I had
[01:00:39] I'd you know come from the battlefield
[01:00:41] right? So, I'm walking down the hallway
[01:00:44] and I'm one of these people, you know,
[01:00:47] I'm, you know, very extroverted guy, I
[01:00:49] guess, at times, but I'm one of these
[01:00:50] people that likes to engage people,
[01:00:52] right? And I'm walking down the hallway
[01:00:54] and I'm watching these people as they're
[01:00:56] walking in the in the hallways of the
[01:00:57] Pentagon. Anybody that's been in the
[01:00:59] Pentagon, the hallways are very wide.
[01:01:01] You can drive a you literally you can
[01:01:02] like a two-lane highway, right? And and
[01:01:05] people would walk along the walls like
[01:01:07] this, you know? So if somebody was
[01:01:09] coming up to him, especially especially
[01:01:11] a guy in uniform, couple stars on his
[01:01:14] shoulder, they kind of would look away
[01:01:16] from you just like you were just doing,
[01:01:17] and they kind of look at the ceiling and
[01:01:19] they just keep walking, right? I I call
[01:01:20] them wall walkers or wall watchers,
[01:01:22] right? Because they were afraid if you
[01:01:24] engage them, they would actually have to
[01:01:27] do work. Like they were afraid to be
[01:01:28] engaged. They they did not want somebody
[01:01:31] >> to be engaged. They did not want
[01:01:32] somebody like me, some general walking
[01:01:35] in the in the hallways of the Pentagon
[01:01:37] to go, "Hey, what are you doing? What
[01:01:38] what's your job? What, you know, what's
[01:01:40] your role?" Because there's so many
[01:01:42] people and you know that they're in the
[01:01:44] Pentagon that are that are that are just
[01:01:47] useless. Okay. Useless. And and I know
[01:01:50] Secretary of War Hegsth now is really
[01:01:52] trying to work hard, very hard to figure
[01:01:54] all that out. And it's not easy.
[01:01:55] >> When you're when you're a guy to me, I
[01:01:57] what I the way I interpret that and I
[01:01:59] think I just think this is very
[01:02:00] interesting. It seems to me like you're
[01:02:02] you're a symbol of accountability.
[01:02:04] You're and when you walk down the
[01:02:05] hallway, you are accountability. Yep.
[01:02:07] That's right. But
[01:02:07] >> but when you were in that context, did
[01:02:09] they report to you? Were these just
[01:02:10] random?
[01:02:11] >> They didn't have No, I would I would,
[01:02:13] you know, be in a hallway and they and
[01:02:14] like they have different quarters. Army
[01:02:16] Corpor, the Marine Corps quarter, the
[01:02:17] the sect def's quarter, the sec war
[01:02:19] quarter. Now you got these different
[01:02:21] quarters. I and you know as I'm walking
[01:02:22] from one meeting to another or I'm going
[01:02:24] to you know to go into some pres some
[01:02:27] big presentation I would see these
[01:02:28] people and I'd be like the hell do these
[01:02:30] people do and and they would just be
[01:02:32] they would not want to engage and that
[01:02:36] always disturbed me because I'm coming
[01:02:38] from an environment where you know
[01:02:40] you're like interacting with people all
[01:02:42] the time you're you generally know some
[01:02:45] of the most of the people that you're
[01:02:46] that are in your units and your
[01:02:48] organizations and in your formations and
[01:02:50] I just kind of I'm one of these type of
[01:02:52] people. It's like, "Hey, how you doing
[01:02:53] today? What's what, you know, is
[01:02:54] everything okay? You doing okay?" And I
[01:02:56] would see people that would be like
[01:02:57] selling. They would be worried. They
[01:02:59] would be trying to hide what it was that
[01:03:02] they were doing. That's the way I felt.
[01:03:04] And I and I and I I wrote about it. I
[01:03:07] wrote about it in there and described
[01:03:08] it. And I think that that still exists
[01:03:10] today because in the Pentagon there's a
[01:03:12] lot of people you can go into a door
[01:03:14] like if you and I used to do this in the
[01:03:16] in the joint staff area. I'd go, "What's
[01:03:18] in that? What's behind that door?" cuz
[01:03:20] there's doors everywhere, right? People
[01:03:22] that live in the Pentagon or work in the
[01:03:24] Pentagon know exactly what I'm talking
[01:03:25] about. I go, "What's behind that door?"
[01:03:27] There's no sign. So, I'd say, "Can we
[01:03:28] open it up?" You know, cuz I'm in a
[01:03:30] position where at that time in an area
[01:03:32] I'm I had, you know, some authority. And
[01:03:35] I'd go I'd go inside the door and I'd be
[01:03:37] like, "Who the hell? Who's back here?
[01:03:39] There's people back there." And you're
[01:03:41] like, "What do you guys do? So, what do
[01:03:42] you do?" I'd be nice. You know, I'd be
[01:03:43] very professional. Hey, how you doing?
[01:03:45] You know, what's your name? And uh what
[01:03:47] do you do? and they they'd be like,
[01:03:49] "Well," and they'd be looking around
[01:03:51] going, "Oh my god, somebody actually
[01:03:53] came and saw me and found me."
[01:03:54] >> Do you think that that's shame? What
[01:03:56] percentage of the people you spoke to,
[01:03:57] it's shame or or that they're hiding
[01:04:00] something? What is the thing?
[01:04:02] >> Yeah, I don't think that they're hiding
[01:04:03] something other than other than the fact
[01:04:04] they don't want to lose their job or
[01:04:06] they don't want to feel like, geez,
[01:04:08] maybe I'll maybe I could my my job could
[01:04:10] be taken away if I if one if I run into
[01:04:13] somebody and have to tell somebody that
[01:04:15] I actually don't do anything. number
[01:04:17] one. Or number two, uh if I tell
[01:04:20] somebody that what I actually do and
[01:04:22] they go, "Well, why do we do that
[01:04:23] anymore?" Right? I mean, there's so many
[01:04:25] things that we still do in government
[01:04:27] that we've been doing for for more than
[01:04:31] more than one secretary of war. Okay?
[01:04:33] We're there's there's places inside of
[01:04:35] the Pentagon, never never mind state
[01:04:37] department, the intel community,
[01:04:39] Department of Justice, where we don't do
[01:04:41] those things anymore. The government
[01:04:42] doesn't even care about some of that
[01:04:43] stuff, but people still are going into a
[01:04:46] job every day. They get an 8 hour, you
[01:04:49] know, they get an 8 hour salary for the
[01:04:51] day and then they get their salary for
[01:04:52] the week and they don't actually do
[01:04:54] anything for the country. And that's why
[01:04:56] I'm really interested in in this
[01:04:58] government shutdown to kind of see how
[01:05:01] does President Trump play this out
[01:05:03] because I think the I think the left
[01:05:05] made a huge mistake on the shutdown and
[01:05:07] we're going to see some of the results
[01:05:09] of it. And speaking of recent events, um
[01:05:12] Comey was was uh you saw the news with
[01:05:15] with Jim Jim Comey.
[01:05:17] >> He was not arrested the the way that I
[01:05:20] was. And just just kind of broadly um
[01:05:23] account speaking of accountability,
[01:05:26] >> people are angry and the audience, my
[01:05:28] audience, I know your audience is
[01:05:29] probably as angry as mine, but
[01:05:31] >> I'm an investigative reporter, so we
[01:05:32] expose evil and corruption every week.
[01:05:36] But increasingly it's just no one's held
[01:05:38] accountable for anything in in this
[01:05:40] country. People feel deeply about this.
[01:05:42] >> Oh, I I mean I feel deeply about this. I
[01:05:45] mean, uh, somebody sent me a an ex post
[01:05:49] last night that had like every single
[01:05:52] name from Russia Gate, from all these,
[01:05:54] you know, from J6. It was a long, long
[01:05:57] list of names. And basically the point
[01:05:59] was, you know, under the Biden regime,
[01:06:02] these are the, you know, Obama Biden or
[01:06:04] under the Democrats. I think it was
[01:06:05] under the Democrats, these were the
[01:06:06] people that were persecuted or
[01:06:08] prosecuted or jailed. And then it said
[01:06:10] under the Trump administration, it just
[01:06:12] had a big goose egg, right? So, all
[01:06:15] right. So, let's let's put that aside.
[01:06:18] Comey
[01:06:20] what they did to Roger Stone. Okay, it
[01:06:24] first of all the the the effort to to to
[01:06:27] get Roger Stone who who had an expired
[01:06:30] passport uh no criminal record
[01:06:32] >> just had him on the show
[01:06:33] >> just you know unbelievable right
[01:06:36] >> and um but the ef and it cost probably
[01:06:39] one to $1.5 million for the US
[01:06:43] government to go do that and they they
[01:06:45] did it and they also leaked it to um the
[01:06:48] likelihood that that was Andrew Wiseman
[01:06:50] that leaked it to uh CNN And so CNN's
[01:06:53] there on the spot on the docket when
[01:06:55] they when they did the
[01:06:56] >> CNN appeared we yeah he he took me
[01:06:58] through the story two hours and while
[01:07:00] you're talking about this team pull up
[01:07:01] the affidavit please the red fully
[01:07:03] redacted affidavit of the FBI raid so
[01:07:05] >> and and so how does James Comey why is
[01:07:08] it that the that the conservatives why
[01:07:10] is it that this department of justice
[01:07:13] doesn't look at that I mean it you don't
[01:07:16] have to tell CNN or tell Fox News but
[01:07:18] you should treat people like they
[01:07:22] treated us. Okay.
[01:07:23] >> But I think I think general what what
[01:07:25] confuses my audience and and people who
[01:07:28] are watching
[01:07:29] >> and this isn't really directed at you is
[01:07:31] just it's just a a larger issue is that
[01:07:34] Trump is in charge.
[01:07:35] >> Bondi's in charge. Pe people always say
[01:07:38] and and guys, can you pull up the the
[01:07:40] one picture where it says probable cause
[01:07:42] justifies the FBI raid? Because this is
[01:07:45] very abstract, but we're going to make
[01:07:46] it less abstract for people. It's the
[01:07:48] other one. It's the first page. probable
[01:07:50] cause justifying the raid.
[01:07:52] >> If you look um at at the uh when I was
[01:07:54] raided by the FBI, they released the
[01:07:57] affidavit
[01:07:58] >> and every single pull up on the screen,
[01:08:00] guys. Every single line of this
[01:08:02] affidavit has been redacted and I showed
[01:08:05] that to you.
[01:08:06] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[01:08:07] >> Um what what is going on?
[01:08:10] >> I mean, first of all, accountability. We
[01:08:12] we must have accountability. the people
[01:08:14] that committed treason as uh Tulsi
[01:08:17] Gabbard said as President Trump has said
[01:08:19] uh that and they've laid out the names
[01:08:21] we've talked about some of them Obama on
[01:08:23] down they have there's going to have to
[01:08:26] be accountability I don't know legally
[01:08:28] how they're going to go through that
[01:08:30] that that gymnastics event but uh
[01:08:33] >> what does accountability look like
[01:08:34] >> accountability looks like people that
[01:08:36] get indicted uh get you know go in front
[01:08:39] of a jury of their peers
[01:08:41] let the let the you know our justice
[01:08:43] system play out uh more than likely with
[01:08:46] given some of the things that we now
[01:08:47] know about. These are people that should
[01:08:49] go to prison.
[01:08:50] >> Hold on team, can we put that on the
[01:08:52] screen so the live audience can see what
[01:08:54] I'm seeing on the big There we go. Okay.
[01:08:55] So, quote, "Probable cause justifying
[01:08:58] search of O'Keeffe's person and
[01:09:00] premises. This is a joke. This is a
[01:09:02] disgrace."
[01:09:03] >> Yeah. So, they gave this back to you, I
[01:09:04] think, for context for the audience. So,
[01:09:06] this is You asked for this information
[01:09:08] and they
[01:09:08] >> Well, they dropped the they dropped the
[01:09:10] case against against me,
[01:09:11] >> right? uh when I was
[01:09:12] >> but you see that I mean so go back to
[01:09:14] that if you don't mind just for the
[01:09:16] audience I mean this is such this is
[01:09:18] this is like laughing in our face
[01:09:20] >> but this is a newsroom this is a
[01:09:22] journalist I mean there isn't even a
[01:09:24] colorable crime
[01:09:25] >> and and I guess the question I it's a
[01:09:27] it's a conversation we can have but if
[01:09:29] they can't even be transparent about why
[01:09:32] the Federal Bureau of Investigation
[01:09:33] raided project veritas my my reporters
[01:09:36] which by the way is so unprecedented
[01:09:38] >> if they did it in Ukraine or
[01:09:40] >> right
[01:09:40] >> or some other country, our State
[01:09:42] Department issues sanctions. If they
[01:09:43] can't be transparent about that, how
[01:09:46] well so, so here's the issue with that,
[01:09:49] because this is what I I think I said to
[01:09:50] you when we were talking prior to coming
[01:09:53] on today. So why aren't they talking
[01:09:56] about that or why why did they redact
[01:09:58] that like that? Because in there they'll
[01:10:00] go, well, we're going to we're going to
[01:10:01] divulge our sources and our methods,
[01:10:04] which is total Okay, that is
[01:10:07] the that is the the big lie that the
[01:10:10] intelligence community and the people in
[01:10:12] the national security I mean I was the
[01:10:14] national security adviser. I was head of
[01:10:16] one of the largest intelligence agencies
[01:10:18] in the world. Intelligence has been my
[01:10:20] forte in business for my adult life and
[01:10:24] and sources and methods I understand.
[01:10:26] But what we have learned from our
[01:10:29] illustrious uh federal law enforcement
[01:10:31] organization and that includes the
[01:10:33] Department of Justice, but certainly the
[01:10:35] FBI is that that kind of stuff right
[01:10:37] there that you just saw that you just
[01:10:38] showed to your audience, that could just
[01:10:40] be all a bunch of madeup Tell
[01:10:42] me about that. Just total lies where
[01:10:44] it's a it's a couple of agents sitting
[01:10:46] in a room, right, with a prosecutor and
[01:10:49] they say, "We got to get this guy. We're
[01:10:51] going to get this guy. So, let's come up
[01:10:54] with some sources." Maybe a source is
[01:10:56] the New York Times. Maybe a source is
[01:10:58] the Washington Post or some other, you
[01:11:00] know, the Daily whatever, right? I mean,
[01:11:03] they will take a source. They'll go,
[01:11:05] "Well, multiple sources said those
[01:11:07] multiple sources could be their their
[01:11:10] buddies in the media that said, "Oh, I
[01:11:12] heard this. I heard that." Those aren't
[01:11:14] sources. Those aren't vetted. You know,
[01:11:16] what we call what we would call
[01:11:17] bulletproof A1 sources. Okay? For people
[01:11:19] that understand the world of
[01:11:21] intelligence, an A1 source is a
[01:11:23] bulletproof source. That means somebody
[01:11:24] who has given you a lot of good
[01:11:26] intelligence, a lot of good information
[01:11:28] in the past and it's been vetted and
[01:11:30] it's been used and applied and and
[01:11:32] worked. These guys are making stuff up.
[01:11:34] So I I'll bet you I'll bet you
[01:11:36] underneath all that black redacted
[01:11:39] information is literally a bunch of lies
[01:11:41] that they're making up about you. And
[01:11:43] that's why they don't want to see it.
[01:11:44] >> Why isn't it why why is it redacted?
[01:11:48] Why why
[01:11:48] >> it's redacted? Because they don't want
[01:11:50] you to see it. Because they
[01:11:51] >> these are this is the not the top
[01:11:53] person. And this is the midlevel
[01:11:55] >> uh administrative state.
[01:11:57] >> Yeah. So, you know, I don't know. I
[01:11:58] mean, we'll see. We'll see who who how
[01:12:00] high up that goes, you know, to to be
[01:12:02] able to do that. Uh cuz because to get
[01:12:05] the permission to redact at that level
[01:12:07] is is is not some low-level clerk, okay?
[01:12:10] That is somebody at a at a serious
[01:12:11] level.
[01:12:12] >> In my case, I had liberal I was a very
[01:12:13] unusual case because we had like
[01:12:14] liberals defending me. The ACLU defended
[01:12:17] me. The reporters committee defended me.
[01:12:18] I think the left defended me because
[01:12:20] they didn't want Trump to do it to them
[01:12:22] and Trump hasn't done it to them. I'd be
[01:12:23] the first person to speak up.
[01:12:25] >> But I I I think it kind of speaks to I
[01:12:27] think the sources and methods thing is
[01:12:29] fascinating because you were
[01:12:30] intelligence
[01:12:31] >> and I and I agree with you. I I think
[01:12:32] that it's sources and methods.
[01:12:35] >> Um for example, if Ashley this is over
[01:12:37] the the diary uh the the Biden's
[01:12:39] daughter's diary that someone sent to
[01:12:41] me. If Ashley Biden lied to the FBI or
[01:12:43] if there was someone there they trying
[01:12:45] to protect, right? And I did speak to a
[01:12:47] source inside the White House who told
[01:12:48] me that they were probably uh
[01:12:50] confidential informants at at my my
[01:12:52] organization or moles or what what have
[01:12:55] you. But it seems like this is something
[01:12:57] that's preventing people from getting
[01:12:59] the truth is this idea of intelligence
[01:13:02] >> across the spectrum sources.
[01:13:03] >> We don't need we don't need to know, you
[01:13:05] know, that it's that that let's say the
[01:13:07] source was Mike Flynn. We don't need to
[01:13:09] know it's Mike Flynn, but this could be
[01:13:10] like they've done in a lot of other
[01:13:12] redacted or other uh uh you know,
[01:13:14] Freedom of Information Act releases
[01:13:16] where they redact the names of a of a
[01:13:18] particular person. They'll go source X
[01:13:20] or somebody Y, right? I mean, we don't
[01:13:23] need to know that, but what we want to
[01:13:25] know, we don't we don't need to know
[01:13:26] that. The American people don't need to
[01:13:28] know that because it doesn't matter
[01:13:29] unless that source uh lied. Like in the
[01:13:32] case of a source for the FBI in Russia
[01:13:34] Gate by the name of Halper, he lied and
[01:13:37] he got away with it. and they and they
[01:13:38] redacted his name throughout until
[01:13:40] recently when when uh uh Tulsi Gabbard
[01:13:43] and and and Cash have released more
[01:13:46] files and now we know it's now we know
[01:13:48] it's this this guy I call him the walrus
[01:13:50] Halper and so yeah so we don't need to
[01:13:52] know that but the other information
[01:13:54] because what they're doing is they're
[01:13:56] going after an investigative journalist
[01:13:58] right this is dangerous so this isn't
[01:14:00] it's not yeah it's not just going after
[01:14:02] Mike Flynn who said something off the
[01:14:04] wall it's going after a journalist like
[01:14:06] like you know You've seen this around
[01:14:08] the world. I mean, Tommy Robinson is
[01:14:10] another one. Um, uh, uh, Assange,
[01:14:14] another one. I mean, these are dangerous
[01:14:16] times when they start to go after
[01:14:18] journalists for what for what the
[01:14:20] journalist is trying to expose. That's
[01:14:22] what you're trying to expose. And all
[01:14:24] you're trying to do is expose the truth.
[01:14:26] And you lay it out there. It's true. And
[01:14:28] what they do is they attack you because
[01:14:30] what they're trying to do is they're
[01:14:32] trying to shut you down. They want to
[01:14:34] shut you up. And and that is called and
[01:14:37] I talk about this in the book Pardon of
[01:14:38] Innocence. I talk about it in my movie
[01:14:41] and that's called assassination by
[01:14:43] narrative. Okay, the narrative
[01:14:45] assassination. Now, will they go
[01:14:48] further? Will they go to physical
[01:14:50] assassination? And the answer is
[01:14:52] absolutely.
[01:14:53] >> Okay. Well, we're going to take a quick
[01:14:54] break in next. We're going to talk about
[01:14:56] um fifth generation warfare, which is
[01:14:59] absolutely fascinating, psychological
[01:15:01] warfare, and what you just talked about,
[01:15:02] assassinations, literally, figuratively,
[01:15:05] metaphorically. So, we'll be back in a
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[01:21:30] General Flynn on the Price is My Life
[01:21:33] podcast. So much to talk about and now
[01:21:34] we're going to talk about fifth 5GW.
[01:21:38] That's not the Verizon phone thing.
[01:21:40] That's not the LTE. That's fifth
[01:21:42] generation warfare. And I read this
[01:21:44] book. Um it's very dark. And I'm just
[01:21:47] going to I'm just going to kind of take
[01:21:49] my audience who haven't read this book
[01:21:51] through a few things that are in this
[01:21:52] book. Psychological Operations SCOP.
[01:21:56] Mhm.
[01:21:56] >> Psychological operations are operations
[01:21:57] designed to convey selective information
[01:21:59] and indicators to audiences to influence
[01:22:01] their motives, objective reasoning.
[01:22:04] Right now, someone somewhere is
[01:22:06] assessing you as a target and figuring
[01:22:08] out how to influence your thoughts,
[01:22:10] behaviors, and actions. There's even a
[01:22:14] quote you have from chapter 2 from JFK,
[01:22:16] President John F. Kennedy. Listen to
[01:22:18] this.
[01:22:19] >> Um, this is John F.
[01:22:21] talking about the big game and few of
[01:22:22] the players that um we are we are
[01:22:26] opposed around the world by a monolithic
[01:22:28] and ruthless conspiracy that relies
[01:22:30] primarily on covert means conscripted
[01:22:33] vast human and material resources. Its
[01:22:36] mistakes are buried not headlined. Its
[01:22:38] dissenters are silenced not praised. No
[01:22:41] expenditure is questioned. No rumor is
[01:22:43] printed. No secret is revealed. this
[01:22:46] fifth generation warfare stuff about how
[01:22:49] our fear is justified that a single
[01:22:51] shadow government is secretly utilizing
[01:22:52] the aspects of irregular warfare against
[01:22:55] us. Um, shadowy governments using
[01:22:58] tactics and strategies. Some call it the
[01:23:00] administrative state. Some call it the
[01:23:02] deep state. I know that it's real cuz
[01:23:04] they've targeted me. They've targeted
[01:23:05] you. I guess I just there's so much to
[01:23:08] get into and I want to get into this and
[01:23:10] get into some of your notes, but just to
[01:23:12] start
[01:23:14] >> it seems like the enemy is within,
[01:23:17] >> right?
[01:23:18] >> Can you just talk about that?
[01:23:19] >> Yeah. And I I refer to this enemy
[01:23:22] inside. You know, we we call it the deep
[01:23:23] state that lets everybody kind of
[01:23:25] understand, you know, what we're talking
[01:23:27] about. But I actually, you know, and
[01:23:29] you'll hear me talk about this more and
[01:23:31] more and I probably will write about it
[01:23:33] is I call it the axis of resistance. the
[01:23:35] axis of resistance and inside of our
[01:23:38] government uh you know there there are
[01:23:42] elements that are both uh domestic and
[01:23:45] foreign inside of our government. Okay,
[01:23:48] the unholy alliance that I have always
[01:23:51] talked about this unholy alliance and I
[01:23:53] wrote about it actually in field of
[01:23:54] fight uh because the subtitle of that is
[01:23:57] how to win the war against radical Islam
[01:23:58] and its allies. So this unholy alliances
[01:24:01] like China, Russia, Venezuela, North
[01:24:03] Korea, Iran, you know, and and then this
[01:24:06] radicalization of an ideology that's the
[01:24:09] sort of external, but internal is this
[01:24:12] axis of resistance, this deep state and
[01:24:15] they have elements that participate with
[01:24:18] them like the media. Media is a big big
[01:24:20] component of it. Uh and has you know the
[01:24:23] fake news if you if you want to call it
[01:24:25] you know put a a moniker on it. um the
[01:24:29] use of covert operations. Okay. So the
[01:24:32] intelligence community uh the United
[01:24:35] States of America principally the CIA uh
[01:24:38] has gotten involved in domestic
[01:24:40] activities when they should not get
[01:24:42] involved in domestic activities and they
[01:24:44] partner with as we have seen in Russia
[01:24:47] and the outcome of Russia with elements
[01:24:49] like the FBI and and other elements but
[01:24:52] uh cor corporate world to a degree. uh
[01:24:54] when you think about when you think
[01:24:56] about uh the DEI issues that we deal
[01:24:59] with LGBTQ
[01:25:02] uh because I know I know uh one of the
[01:25:04] things I did want to to kind of jump to
[01:25:07] but it's but fifth generation warfare is
[01:25:10] the war that we are involved in and so
[01:25:13] for people to understand when I say war
[01:25:18] or warfare those are two different
[01:25:20] things right the war that you're in
[01:25:23] Ukraine and Russia All right, that's a
[01:25:24] war. Uh, but warfare and understanding
[01:25:27] the nature of of warfare and
[01:25:30] understanding that you're not fighting
[01:25:32] the last war, right? Generals typically
[01:25:34] fight the last war. So, you have to
[01:25:36] understand this dimension that we are
[01:25:38] in. And fifth generation warfare is a
[01:25:41] combination of elements of of hybrid
[01:25:44] warfare, irregular warfare, the the
[01:25:46] physical components of it. Clearly and
[01:25:49] and physically you can be deceived and
[01:25:53] you think that you believe something
[01:25:55] that's totally not true, but you're
[01:25:56] going to believe it.
[01:25:57] >> But just to be clear for your audience,
[01:25:58] the first generation warfare was pre-
[01:26:00] gunpowder,
[01:26:01] >> right?
[01:26:01] >> Second generation uh gunpowder.
[01:26:04] >> Third generation flying machines,
[01:26:06] rockets. Fourth generation nuclear. And
[01:26:08] now we're talking about this new
[01:26:09] >> and now we're talking about so all so
[01:26:11] like fifth generation warfare is if you
[01:26:14] look at a like a spreadsheet and you got
[01:26:16] first generation warfare you only have
[01:26:18] these things you know second you have a
[01:26:19] few more things third you got a few more
[01:26:20] things fourth well in fifth generation
[01:26:23] warfare you have all of it right and all
[01:26:25] of it is and then added to that are
[01:26:28] things like deception covert operations
[01:26:30] propaganda uh information operations
[01:26:33] cyber is another component uh space
[01:26:37] space operations
[01:26:38] lasers. I mean, there's all these
[01:26:40] different things. The whole thing with
[01:26:42] with um uh uh weather control. I mean,
[01:26:47] let's not kid ourselves. So, so let's
[01:26:49] look at all of these different aspects
[01:26:51] that a government, particularly a
[01:26:53] government like the United States
[01:26:54] government, can do to manipulate what we
[01:26:57] believe. And so, when we think about
[01:26:59] fifth generation warfare, what you would
[01:27:01] want our country and our government to
[01:27:04] do is to apply it to them, right? to
[01:27:06] apply it to the bad guys, to apply it to
[01:27:08] our adversaries over there when in fact
[01:27:11] what they've been doing is they've been
[01:27:12] applying it right here at home and
[01:27:14] they've been doing it for a long time.
[01:27:16] >> Is that legal?
[01:27:17] >> No, it's not. Of course, it's not legal.
[01:27:19] It's not legal at all. It's it's but
[01:27:21] it's but does it happen? Absolutely it
[01:27:22] happens. And so it and it does it's not
[01:27:26] People have to realize that this is not
[01:27:28] just because Donald Trump came on the
[01:27:30] scene. One of the things that that
[01:27:32] President Trump has clearly exposed
[01:27:35] because of the of the sort of the the
[01:27:39] demonic hatred that they have of him uh
[01:27:42] because he's a guy that comes into the
[01:27:45] political fray and he's not and he's
[01:27:48] paying it for he's paying for it
[01:27:50] himself. You know, I can tell you the
[01:27:52] first going through the the 2016
[01:27:54] campaign and and the amount you know he
[01:27:57] was paying for the thing himself and so
[01:27:58] he wasn't bought and paid for. I got all
[01:28:00] kinds of great stories about that. But
[01:28:02] so Trump shows up and it's like, wait a
[01:28:05] second. This is a guy we don't control.
[01:28:06] This is a guy that the that is not part
[01:28:08] of the establishment, the uni party, all
[01:28:10] these, you know, the the the rhinos, the
[01:28:12] GOP, whatever you want to call
[01:28:13] Washington DC, right? The the the this
[01:28:16] this group of people that run our
[01:28:18] country and, you know, and is there
[01:28:21] somebody above them? Absolutely, there's
[01:28:23] somebody above them. there's another uh
[01:28:26] element you know and and and they find
[01:28:28] themselves they they call themselves
[01:28:29] this why you know I wrote a bunch of
[01:28:31] notes down about this color revolution
[01:28:34] that we are involved in so we're we are
[01:28:36] in the midst of a color revolution in
[01:28:38] this country and you know and people
[01:28:40] have asked what's the color the color is
[01:28:43] lavender or purple okay lavender
[01:28:46] >> lavender or purple so I I use that
[01:28:47] because in other color revolutions there
[01:28:50] was actually a a actual color or a name
[01:28:53] given into the actual revolution that
[01:28:56] took place, right? And uh and because
[01:28:59] that those those colors are colors of
[01:29:02] the LGBTQ movement. Okay? So the LGBTQ
[01:29:06] movement is a is a form and function of
[01:29:09] fifth generation warfare. So when you
[01:29:12] you add uh Black Lives Matter or Antifa,
[01:29:15] right, because we've known about Black
[01:29:16] Lives Matter and Antifa for a while.
[01:29:18] Actually, Antifa's been around for a
[01:29:20] long time, decades. So you you throw
[01:29:23] these things out there like they're out
[01:29:24] there in Portland right now. They're up
[01:29:26] in Chicago. They're up in New York City.
[01:29:28] They're they're they're in this country.
[01:29:29] So you put these things out there and
[01:29:31] they're freedom of speech. They're
[01:29:33] protesters. They're not not doing
[01:29:34] anything wrong. They're burning the
[01:29:36] cities. They're they're they're trying
[01:29:37] to beat, you know, they're beating up
[01:29:38] cops, right? They're beating up federal
[01:29:39] police officers. So there's a physical
[01:29:42] component of fifth generation warfare,
[01:29:44] but then there's also a psychological
[01:29:45] component of it. If if you turn on any
[01:29:49] of the major networks um or major and
[01:29:53] the major networks being ABC, CBS, and
[01:29:55] NBC or the cable news networks to
[01:29:57] include to include uh one that tends to
[01:30:00] be supposedly tends to be conservative.
[01:30:03] They're they're not going to they'll
[01:30:06] talk about these things as though
[01:30:07] they're like, well, these are just
[01:30:08] people out there protesting. No, I mean
[01:30:11] listen and I listened to a portion of of
[01:30:14] um of uh some of the interaction between
[01:30:17] uh the Senate Judiciary Committee and
[01:30:19] Attorney General Pam Bondi early this
[01:30:21] morning when she was uh at her hearing
[01:30:24] and uh and it's like I'm thinking to
[01:30:25] myself, where do these people come from?
[01:30:28] And one the guy I'm thinking about was
[01:30:29] Durban who's a senator from Illinois.
[01:30:31] And I'm thinking, okay, you've got over
[01:30:34] 500 people in your in the city of
[01:30:36] Chicago that have been murdered this
[01:30:38] past year and and you're going to you're
[01:30:41] going to complain that President Trump
[01:30:42] is is, you know, has a responsibility to
[01:30:46] preserve, protect, and defend the
[01:30:48] Constitution of the United States and
[01:30:50] has a has a overall responsibility to
[01:30:52] provide the safety and security of the
[01:30:53] American people. And that's he's looking
[01:30:55] at it and he's going, "Oh my god, we we
[01:30:57] can't have this murder rate that's going
[01:30:59] on right now." I mean, so fifth
[01:31:02] generation warfare, I I'm going to keep
[01:31:04] going back to that because there's
[01:31:06] components that are physical, James, but
[01:31:09] then the majority of those components
[01:31:10] are in the world of gray. Okay,
[01:31:13] >> what does that mean? And that in this
[01:31:14] world of gray being deception, being
[01:31:16] media manipulation, being covert
[01:31:18] operations, being um running an
[01:31:21] operation like Russia gate that was
[01:31:24] based on a complete fabricated story and
[01:31:28] running it for years
[01:31:29] >> and it takes a decade later. It's like I
[01:31:32] I've experienced this in my life that
[01:31:33] that years later the truth comes out and
[01:31:36] then we've all kind of moved on and
[01:31:38] right,
[01:31:38] >> you know, it's a long time. So it goes
[01:31:40] back to the accountability question, but
[01:31:42] I guess I I keep going back to this I
[01:31:44] and it's very dark.
[01:31:45] >> Mhm.
[01:31:46] >> It's that the enemy, this is, you know,
[01:31:48] against your enemies, foreign and
[01:31:49] domestic. The enemy is within the enemy
[01:31:51] is within within our own government.
[01:31:53] >> Right.
[01:31:53] >> Correct.
[01:31:54] >> Absolutely. in within our own
[01:31:55] government, the infiltration of a
[01:31:58] socialist communist element as well as a
[01:32:01] radicalized
[01:32:02] uh Islamist element, you know, I mean,
[01:32:06] like it or not, and people are going to
[01:32:08] go, "Oh, they're going to lose their
[01:32:09] minds and they're going to call me all
[01:32:10] kinds of names." And that's fine. Um
[01:32:12] >> I think people are waking up to this.
[01:32:14] Oh, they're definitely maybe 15 years
[01:32:16] ago they would have called you names,
[01:32:17] but I don't I'm not so sure. One of the
[01:32:18] things I I just use the example because
[01:32:20] it's a real example and it happened um
[01:32:23] not too long ago a couple years back
[01:32:25] where under the during the era of COVID
[01:32:28] there was a bi biology professor at
[01:32:31] Harvard who was arrested I think he was
[01:32:34] arrested by the FBI because he got
[01:32:35] caught dead to rights uh working for the
[01:32:37] Chinese Communist Party and he was
[01:32:39] getting like 40,000 bucks a month or
[01:32:41] something like that. He was on their
[01:32:42] payroll and he was a Harvard professor
[01:32:46] of biology during the air era of COVID.
[01:32:49] So COVID was a psychological operation
[01:32:52] but it was also but it also had very
[01:32:54] physical components to it right the jab.
[01:32:56] So these are elements that that are
[01:33:00] these are not spontaneous. So a color
[01:33:02] revolution and this is the one thing I
[01:33:04] think is also people lose sight of and
[01:33:07] and I've had this you know argument or
[01:33:09] debate with people that just you know
[01:33:11] because I I I'm a information fanatic.
[01:33:13] Intelligence is my business. So I pay
[01:33:16] attention. I read a lot. I I analyze
[01:33:18] things. I make you know I try to use
[01:33:20] good discernment. But it's hard for most
[01:33:22] people to understand that what that we
[01:33:24] are going through a you know uh like
[01:33:27] Hansen calls it a sort ofution and a
[01:33:29] counter with a counter in the midst of
[01:33:32] this color revolution and there is a uh
[01:33:36] there you know globally there's a
[01:33:38] multipolar component and a unipolar
[01:33:41] component. The unipolar component are
[01:33:43] the globalists. They want this new one
[01:33:45] world order, right? The multipolar
[01:33:47] component are those countries that want
[01:33:49] to protect their own sovereignty and
[01:33:51] their own nationalism like the United
[01:33:52] States of America. I think that's what
[01:33:54] Trump wants to do. People like Victor
[01:33:55] Orban, people like Malay and Argentina.
[01:33:58] So then you take it down into the United
[01:33:59] States. You take it down right down into
[01:34:01] our country and inside of our own system
[01:34:04] of government. So they they took over
[01:34:07] the education system in our country. It
[01:34:09] started with the with the uh the you
[01:34:11] know when Jimmy Carter created the
[01:34:13] Department of Education. Go ahead.
[01:34:15] >> Oh, I was going to ask you about this
[01:34:16] this fear is justified section because
[01:34:18] it says there are many governments that
[01:34:20] as and equally as many shadowy
[01:34:22] governments leveraging numerous useful
[01:34:23] idiots.
[01:34:24] >> That's a term everyone always uses
[01:34:26] useful idiots and using the conditions
[01:34:28] of the environment to shape perspectives
[01:34:30] to achieve objectives. And we're going
[01:34:32] to we're going to talk about the color
[01:34:33] revolution in a minute because I want to
[01:34:34] ask you about the
[01:34:35] >> every Palestinian protester that comes
[01:34:37] out of Columbia University with their
[01:34:39] with their you know SAT scores that are
[01:34:42] probably 1600 are useful.
[01:34:44] >> Let me challenge you a little bit
[01:34:45] because I agree with you. I agree with
[01:34:47] that. But let me challenge you a little
[01:34:48] bit and and expand that
[01:34:50] >> a little bit.
[01:34:50] >> Okay.
[01:34:51] >> Which is the people the American people
[01:34:53] are very afraid. I mean you're you're a
[01:34:55] I hope you don't mind me saying that
[01:34:57] you're a little you're a few standard
[01:34:58] deviations away from the average here.
[01:35:00] people like
[01:35:03] you're willing to speak up. You're
[01:35:04] willing to be a force of accountability
[01:35:07] in the Pentagon. You're willing to do
[01:35:09] the things that you've jumped off of a
[01:35:10] bridge in into the into the Rhode Island
[01:35:13] Ocean. Uh most people aren't that way
[01:35:16] >> and they're they're scared. They're
[01:35:17] terrified. Many of them are apathetic,
[01:35:20] >> which perhaps apathy is even worse than
[01:35:22] fear.
[01:35:23] >> But but I what I'm trying to do is get
[01:35:25] to a solution and we're trying to wake
[01:35:26] people up. The the Charlie Kirk
[01:35:28] assassination happened three weeks ago.
[01:35:30] Maybe that's waking people up for a
[01:35:31] little for a minute. But it seems like
[01:35:33] it's it's this irregular warfare is
[01:35:35] being used on good people.
[01:35:37] >> Yeah.
[01:35:37] >> Who are terrified.
[01:35:39] >> It's being used, James, on grassroots
[01:35:41] organizations. It's being used on
[01:35:43] churches. I mean, look at what just
[01:35:45] broke here in the last whatever 72, 96
[01:35:48] hours with the geo fencing of churches,
[01:35:51] right? And I I got I got a hold of a
[01:35:54] good friend of mine when that broke and
[01:35:56] that story broke and I I looked at some
[01:35:58] of the churches and I I posted some of
[01:35:59] this on my on my ex site. But I got a
[01:36:02] hold of a friend of mine, good friend of
[01:36:04] mine who um a Catholic guy, great great
[01:36:07] runs a great organization. And I said,
[01:36:09] "What has happened to Catholic churches
[01:36:12] in the last four or five years?" and he
[01:36:14] gave me this staggering number of I
[01:36:17] think it was 507 Catholic churches in
[01:36:20] the United States of America since 2021
[01:36:22] have had some type of serious damage or
[01:36:25] burned, right? And I'm thinking because
[01:36:28] you think the Jewish synagogues are
[01:36:29] going to be the ones that are going to
[01:36:30] be targeted and and they are. Um but
[01:36:33] there's this assault on Christianity.
[01:36:35] The bigger the bigger issue is assault
[01:36:37] on Christianity. So, I want people to
[01:36:40] understand that that fear is a condition
[01:36:43] that we all live with. I live with it.
[01:36:45] I'm not going to sit here and tell you
[01:36:46] that I'm that I'm going to be fearless
[01:36:48] about something. I say we should be
[01:36:49] fearless about it, but we all have fear
[01:36:52] as a as a psyche in our human behavior.
[01:36:55] And I understand it. I've been on
[01:36:56] battlefields. So, I I understand when I
[01:36:59] have that emotion and how to how to
[01:37:01] adjust and and how to try to to to work
[01:37:04] through it or to drive myself through
[01:37:05] it. Most people and you know most people
[01:37:08] being like maybe 90% of the American
[01:37:10] people have a really difficult time and
[01:37:12] they don't want to they don't want to
[01:37:13] have their names in the headlines. They
[01:37:15] don't want to be you know they don't
[01:37:16] want to have the FBI knock on their
[01:37:18] door. They don't want to have bad things
[01:37:20] happen to their families. But what I'm
[01:37:22] here saying to you today that if we
[01:37:26] don't have more Americans and this is
[01:37:29] the solution and I use this phrase local
[01:37:31] action equals a national impact. What
[01:37:34] does that mean? That means that all of
[01:37:36] us have a responsibility to serve as
[01:37:39] citizens. Period. So people come up to
[01:37:42] me all the time and they say, "Thank you
[01:37:44] for your service." You know, my father
[01:37:45] served, my uncle served, my grandfather
[01:37:47] served. I never served. You know, that
[01:37:49] kind of thing. And and I'm humbled by
[01:37:50] that. I I deeply deeply appreciate uh
[01:37:53] when people tell me that. And I I'm
[01:37:55] honored by the service that I had in in
[01:37:57] uniform and and the service that I still
[01:37:59] feel like I'm giving. But what I try to
[01:38:02] do, James, is I try to turn the
[01:38:04] conversation around to them and say,
[01:38:05] "So, so how do you serve today?" And and
[01:38:08] I always used to teach about control,
[01:38:11] which I talk about in this in the fifth
[01:38:12] generation warfare book. You know,
[01:38:14] control is something that you have to
[01:38:17] consider wherever you're at, right? Like
[01:38:19] as a leader, there's only certain things
[01:38:21] that I can control. I can't sitting here
[01:38:23] today and doing the things that I do. I
[01:38:25] can't control what President Trump is
[01:38:26] going to tweet out at whatever time of
[01:38:28] day or what he's going to say, you know,
[01:38:30] when it comes to the situation in the
[01:38:33] Middle East, Venezuela, right here at
[01:38:35] home, Portland, I I can't control that.
[01:38:38] But I can control what I do. And I think
[01:38:40] for everybody listening, if you have if
[01:38:43] you take away one thing from today's
[01:38:45] conversation, you must take away that
[01:38:48] the question about how do you serve
[01:38:50] today? How are you serving your
[01:38:52] community, your family, you know, and
[01:38:54] then if you're doing that, then you're
[01:38:56] serving our country, and you're doing
[01:38:58] exactly what our founders wanted, which
[01:39:00] is it's it is a citizen republic. But
[01:39:03] it's only a republic, you know, not not
[01:39:05] if we can keep it. It's only a republic
[01:39:06] if we actually do serve, right? I was on
[01:39:10] a on a thing, and I'll and I'll get off
[01:39:11] my my soap box on this one. I was on a a
[01:39:14] phone call last night with a uh a
[01:39:17] political issue up in Tennessee and a
[01:39:19] gentleman came on the line and said and
[01:39:21] and asked, you know, great question. He
[01:39:23] says he says, "Well, you know, these
[01:39:25] people, we we got to have term limits.
[01:39:27] We got to have term limits." Well, then
[01:39:29] don't keep voting for somebody who
[01:39:32] doesn't want term limits, right? Make
[01:39:34] sure that if you're going to vote for
[01:39:35] somebody that they that you ask them the
[01:39:37] question, they say, "Yes, I'm for term
[01:39:38] limits." then maybe then go work for
[01:39:41] them and get them into into office
[01:39:43] instead of allowing these people to sit
[01:39:44] in there for 30 or 40 or 50 years and
[01:39:47] just berate us, corrupt us. And I can
[01:39:51] tell you I'm involved in m in multiple
[01:39:54] cases right now in federal court. Okay,
[01:39:56] so this is a little hidden secret and
[01:39:58] I'll shut up here for a second. I'm
[01:40:00] involved in multiple whistleblower cases
[01:40:02] in federal court and the amount of of
[01:40:05] corruption that we are exposing in in
[01:40:08] these cases is is staggering. And it's
[01:40:11] related to USID, it's related to the US
[01:40:14] Postal Service. It's related to Ukraine.
[01:40:17] It's related to uh the Jack Smith
[01:40:20] investigation.
[01:40:22] They're all filed in federal court.
[01:40:23] people can go look them up and and uh
[01:40:25] >> well, let me go back to what I thought
[01:40:27] was the most astute thing you said,
[01:40:29] which is that f, and I'm paraphrasing in
[01:40:31] my own words, is the f focus on the
[01:40:32] things that the individual citizen can
[01:40:34] control because citizens do that to me
[01:40:36] all the time. They're like, what are we
[01:40:38] going to do about all these other
[01:40:39] apathetic people out there? Or you hear
[01:40:41] this all the time is, why isn't the
[01:40:43] mainstream media covering? It's like,
[01:40:45] well, I can't you can't control whether
[01:40:48] the New York Times talks about what
[01:40:50] General Flynn is talking, but what you
[01:40:51] can do is control what you do. That's
[01:40:53] what I'm taking from what you're saying.
[01:40:55] In other words, the citizen the
[01:40:56] patriotic citizen from my perspective
[01:40:59] has to tell the truth.
[01:41:00] >> It's very hard to tell the truth. It's
[01:41:02] very hard to speak up and and and you
[01:41:04] know, let me let me make this less
[01:41:06] abstract. Like even the JFK
[01:41:07] assassination, the people that saw
[01:41:09] things, but they were they were they
[01:41:11] were threatened. They were scared. So,
[01:41:13] it's very hard for good people if you're
[01:41:15] witness to something, whether it's on a
[01:41:17] level of that event or whether it's in
[01:41:19] Rhode Island in a local community
[01:41:21] center, right?
[01:41:22] >> It's very hard for for for humans and to
[01:41:26] to be brave and to actually tell the
[01:41:28] truth and to speak their conscience. So,
[01:41:31] how do you get the individual patriot to
[01:41:34] do that?
[01:41:35] >> How do you persuade them to do that?
[01:41:37] >> Yeah. I I think that at this stage um
[01:41:40] where we are as a nation
[01:41:42] uh one they have to know what to do.
[01:41:44] They you so locally we have to have we
[01:41:47] have to find local leaders that are
[01:41:49] willing to step up speak out uh at their
[01:41:52] local levels and and uh you know we
[01:41:55] briefly talked about uh earlier maybe
[01:41:57] the Reawaken America tour. We went
[01:41:59] around the country and we were doing
[01:42:00] that. That's generally what I do when I
[01:42:02] go out and about is I'm trying to get
[01:42:04] people to understand I'm gonna I'm going
[01:42:06] to come in. Mike Flynn's going to come
[01:42:07] in. I'm going to pop in. I'm going to
[01:42:08] pop off and I'm going to pop out. So,
[01:42:10] you got to find somebody in your
[01:42:12] community. And as I look around at an
[01:42:13] audience, I'm like, which one of you
[01:42:15] will be the one that will step up and
[01:42:17] take a leadership role in your community
[01:42:19] and then and then charge, right? Like,
[01:42:21] let's charge together. It's like a like
[01:42:23] a you know, a a a football team says,
[01:42:26] "Ready break." and you get to the line
[01:42:27] and you and you and you assault you you
[01:42:30] you conduct a a play, right? Do
[01:42:32] something. I mean, I do think that there
[01:42:35] there could come a time and we've used
[01:42:37] the word uh frightening or frightened. I
[01:42:41] do think that people are in fact
[01:42:42] frightened and uh and there is some of
[01:42:45] that today and that's and that's again
[01:42:47] it's heartbreaking because look at what
[01:42:49] we're about to have. We're about to have
[01:42:51] you know a longtime director of the FBI,
[01:42:54] you know, is going to be he's been
[01:42:55] indicted. I mean, he's going to, you
[01:42:56] know, he's going to go, we're going to
[01:42:57] learn more about these things. I mean,
[01:42:59] it it is for the United States of
[01:43:01] America to be in the place that we're
[01:43:03] in. We cannot kid ourselves. We cannot
[01:43:06] kid ourselves. We're here. So, now what
[01:43:08] what is it that we do about it? You
[01:43:10] know, I know because I'm watching I'm
[01:43:12] watching a uh a special election today
[01:43:14] very closely. I mean, if if it was a
[01:43:17] general election, if everybody could
[01:43:19] come out and vote that was actually
[01:43:20] registered to vote in this particular
[01:43:22] election for one district in the House
[01:43:24] of Representatives, you you'd have over
[01:43:26] a million people that could vote, both
[01:43:27] sides, right? Mainly Democrats and
[01:43:29] Republicans. You could have over a
[01:43:31] million people. There's probably going
[01:43:32] to be, my guess, 40 to 50,000 that will
[01:43:35] show up to vote.
[01:43:36] >> That's for a member of Congress. And so
[01:43:39] I, you know, like I I don't know how
[01:43:41] else to tell you or to tell the American
[01:43:44] people how important it is to vote and
[01:43:48] and exercise your vote and then to
[01:43:50] challenge those who want to have our
[01:43:53] vote. To get my vote should be a
[01:43:55] privilege. It shouldn't just be some
[01:43:57] wrote exercise, some rote drill that we
[01:43:59] go through and I just go check a box and
[01:44:01] we keep putting in these these corrupt
[01:44:03] individuals because the majority of
[01:44:05] people in Congress, they're corrupt.
[01:44:07] Sorry, they're corrupt. There's not
[01:44:09] there's very few of them that aren't
[01:44:10] compromised.
[01:44:11] >> Well, you know, it takes a you know, two
[01:44:13] different types of courage to fight a
[01:44:14] war. The the Vanclausits, the physical
[01:44:16] courage, which is what you're familiar
[01:44:18] with and you you have done and people
[01:44:19] that you know have done, and then the
[01:44:20] moral courage,
[01:44:22] >> someone inside the FBI who who was
[01:44:24] against you or against me to have the
[01:44:26] stones
[01:44:27] >> to speak up. I mean, that takes an their
[01:44:29] life may be destroyed.
[01:44:31] >> It will be destroyed. More than likely
[01:44:33] will be destroyed.
[01:44:33] >> It will be destroyed. And I and I think,
[01:44:35] correct me if I'm wrong, is that what
[01:44:37] people in this country need to start
[01:44:39] doing, just speaking up and then having
[01:44:41] their lives destroyed as a result?
[01:44:43] >> Yeah. Now, I will tell you that since
[01:44:45] the, you know, since Trump won, uh, the
[01:44:47] number of whistleblowers has risen. So,
[01:44:50] there's that's a very positive sign. So,
[01:44:53] we do have people that are inside of the
[01:44:55] system that have spoken out. There are
[01:44:59] others that are still inside the system
[01:45:00] that don't want to because what they're
[01:45:03] watching and this is really this message
[01:45:05] is really to somebody like like like you
[01:45:08] know General uh Bondi, Attorney General
[01:45:10] Bondi or Cash Patel you know or to the
[01:45:13] president of the United States if he's
[01:45:14] listening right or if he listens to this
[01:45:16] clip people won't speak out if they
[01:45:19] don't see people being held accountable
[01:45:21] for the crimes that they committed.
[01:45:24] There cannot be two systems of justice.
[01:45:27] There can only be one system of justice.
[01:45:29] And I understand that we're trying to
[01:45:31] follow the rule of law, which is fine.
[01:45:32] And and I'm I'm for that. But we have to
[01:45:35] have an equal system of justice. There
[01:45:37] cannot be because you're from an elite
[01:45:40] social class of people. You're going to
[01:45:43] get away with something, you know? I
[01:45:44] mean,
[01:45:46] >> there's just and people are are upset
[01:45:47] about that.
[01:45:48] >> I'm very aware. I mean, I we work with
[01:45:50] nine whistleblowers here at at Citizen
[01:45:52] Journalism Foundation, and half of them
[01:45:54] have lost their jobs and pensions,
[01:45:56] right?
[01:45:56] >> And it's it's tough because of the
[01:45:58] dynamic. It's not the it's not Trump.
[01:46:00] It's not
[01:46:00] >> the head of FEMA. It's the mid-level
[01:46:02] managers whose ego gets bruised because
[01:46:05] the truth teller or the nurse witnesses
[01:46:08] some fraud and their boss fires them.
[01:46:10] But what what are we up against in terms
[01:46:12] of this is of this 5GW
[01:46:15] >> uh fifth generation warfare? What are
[01:46:18] what are we up against in terms of
[01:46:19] brainwashing and psychological
[01:46:22] operations designed to to mess with the
[01:46:24] minds of good people?
[01:46:26] >> Yeah. So, don't don't I want everybody
[01:46:28] to understand this and be very clear
[01:46:29] here that this is very real. Th this
[01:46:32] color revolution idea is not
[01:46:34] spontaneous. It's very well thought
[01:46:36] through. They have a doctrine or a
[01:46:38] manifesto and there's and there's, you
[01:46:40] know, there's different examples of
[01:46:41] that. Um they have and these have been
[01:46:44] in play for for decades now and
[01:46:46] certainly updated as they've gone along.
[01:46:48] So this this mind manipulation this
[01:46:51] >> let's talk about that. How does it work?
[01:46:53] You're an intelligence professional. How
[01:46:54] do they do it?
[01:46:55] >> What they do is they they they can
[01:46:57] target individuals. So we talked earlier
[01:47:00] about trying to understand my weaknesses
[01:47:02] and my weaknesses were were my family
[01:47:04] and and a specific component of my
[01:47:05] family.
[01:47:06] >> Who is they? Who are we talking about?
[01:47:07] They being they being in this case for
[01:47:10] me that that was that was elements of
[01:47:11] the intelligence community. Okay. Within
[01:47:14] the within the CIA and the FBI uh that
[01:47:17] that work on things like covert
[01:47:19] influence and covert action and covert
[01:47:22] operations. I mean those are two things
[01:47:24] CI and CAT influence covert action.
[01:47:27] They're very very good at this kind of
[01:47:29] stuff. So that's that's to just go after
[01:47:31] an individual. Then you take it up a
[01:47:33] notch to groups, groups of people,
[01:47:34] right? And you can you can break out the
[01:47:37] demographics of different groups of
[01:47:38] people, blacks, whites, Jews, Catholics,
[01:47:41] Irish, it doesn't matter. And then you
[01:47:43] can also look at other types of groups
[01:47:45] like like churches. And within the
[01:47:48] church community, within the Christian
[01:47:50] community, as an example, uh you have
[01:47:52] evangelicals, you have different uh um
[01:47:56] components of like uh Protestants,
[01:47:58] Episcopalians, um Methodists. So there's
[01:48:01] a there is an effort to drive wedges in
[01:48:05] between the Christian community and of
[01:48:06] course Catholics right
[01:48:09] this is being done by uh by elements
[01:48:12] within the government and working
[01:48:13] outside of it to to try to to try to get
[01:48:17] this idea particularly on Christianity
[01:48:19] to try to drive this idea that our
[01:48:21] nation isn't based on Christian uh
[01:48:24] values and principles.
[01:48:25] >> So let's take the the color revolution
[01:48:27] the color purple and lavender the
[01:48:28] preferred color of the LGBT community.
[01:48:30] This is something that you've you've
[01:48:31] talked about.
[01:48:32] >> Is that community being leveraged by
[01:48:36] forces within our own government
[01:48:38] >> from your view?
[01:48:38] >> Yeah, absolutely.
[01:48:39] >> How so?
[01:48:40] >> Absolutely. And not not just from
[01:48:42] inside, but this is this axis of
[01:48:44] resistance. So you have you have a a
[01:48:47] subversive communist element uh Marxist
[01:48:50] element if you will inside of our
[01:48:52] government. Um you know and I you know
[01:48:54] just use some of my notes here. I mean
[01:48:57] I'll give you the examples of the
[01:48:58] manifesto. Norm Eisen, just to make to
[01:49:01] name an individual, wrote something
[01:49:03] called the democracy playbook. People
[01:49:05] can go look it up, the democracy
[01:49:06] playbook, Norm Eisen was the um in the
[01:49:10] Obama administration first term, he was
[01:49:11] the basically the White House head of
[01:49:14] ethics. He was the ethics advisor to
[01:49:18] Barack Obama during the first
[01:49:19] administration. Norm Eisen has played a
[01:49:21] a big role and uh and there's elements
[01:49:24] that he's tied into. Another one is the
[01:49:26] called the transition transition
[01:49:28] integrity project that was in 2020.
[01:49:31] Again, these are these are the
[01:49:33] playbooks, right? The doctrine. You have
[01:49:34] to have doctrine. The military 5GW, that
[01:49:37] book right there is doctrine for the for
[01:49:39] and it's in fact it's written in a way
[01:49:42] to be a doctrine for how we need to be
[01:49:45] thinking about how the how the it's the
[01:49:46] citizens guide to fifth generation
[01:49:48] warfare. And then you have these methods
[01:49:50] and I wrote down a few here like covert
[01:49:52] operations, spying on political
[01:49:54] campaigns for example, right? I'm not
[01:49:56] making this up. This is not a conspiracy
[01:49:58] theory. Oh my god, come on. the spying
[01:50:01] on not just the the not just the uh the
[01:50:03] senators,
[01:50:04] >> but spying on on uh on the on the Trump
[01:50:07] transition, the Trump campaign.
[01:50:09] >> I mean, the whole while he was the
[01:50:11] president of the United States. And
[01:50:12] who's it being done by? It's being done
[01:50:14] by elements of our own government,
[01:50:16] right?
[01:50:16] >> It seems like it's partisan and it's
[01:50:19] usually Democrats against Republicans.
[01:50:21] Why is that?
[01:50:22] >> Yeah. Because the Democrat and and
[01:50:24] you're So for your audience, I am a
[01:50:27] former Democrat, right? I grew up as a
[01:50:30] Democrat. I grew up in a family of
[01:50:31] Democrats, JFK Democrats. My mother was
[01:50:34] the the head of the Democrat party in
[01:50:36] our local area. I mean, but she was also
[01:50:38] the head of pro-life, right? And this
[01:50:41] was in the 60s and 70 and early 70s. And
[01:50:44] then, of course, we started to see, you
[01:50:46] know, and and then for me going in the
[01:50:48] military, I never really I never really
[01:50:49] participated in politics cuz I saw I
[01:50:52] saw, you know, I saw myself having to
[01:50:54] having to, you know, play a different
[01:50:57] role. like I never voted for president
[01:50:58] of the United States because they were
[01:50:59] my commander-in-chief. I don't want to
[01:51:00] say, "Well, I didn't vote for him." No,
[01:51:02] I worked for him. He was my commander,
[01:51:03] right? It's that's the Constitution. So,
[01:51:06] um, we're facing a time where this is
[01:51:09] not about Democrat versus Republican,
[01:51:13] you know, left versus right. This is
[01:51:15] actually a a a a new direction that
[01:51:18] these people and these people are
[01:51:20] globalists, right? They are in our
[01:51:23] government. Obama is clearly one of
[01:51:24] them. Uh there's other elements all
[01:51:26] these other you know names that we've
[01:51:28] heard certainly people that are uh part
[01:51:30] of the globalist crowd the the World
[01:51:33] Economic Forum the George Soroses of the
[01:51:35] of the world Bill Gates made me sick to
[01:51:38] my stomach to see
[01:51:39] >> uh you know President Trump have Bill
[01:51:42] Gates sitting at the you know for lunch
[01:51:44] at the White House there Zuckerberg I
[01:51:46] mean these people would have just they
[01:51:47] would have been happy had Trump going to
[01:51:48] prison. But
[01:51:49] >> are those people like around Trump
[01:51:50] recommending that he they those people
[01:51:52] get in there you think? You know, I
[01:51:54] think that there's definitely uh
[01:51:56] elements that are that are within the
[01:51:58] White House structure um and definitely
[01:52:01] in the national security state that do
[01:52:03] that. I mean, I I just I just, you know,
[01:52:05] I I am the biggest champion for
[01:52:08] President Donald J. Trump. I, you know,
[01:52:10] stood up for him and and
[01:52:12] >> Why aren't you in the administration?
[01:52:14] >> Well, I think that there's there's some
[01:52:16] uh blocking of that. I do believe that.
[01:52:18] Um, you know, I I'm I'm on one of these
[01:52:20] uh I'm on the West Point Board of
[01:52:22] Visitors, which is I talked to the
[01:52:24] president about and and um he and I have
[01:52:27] a great relationship. You know, I think
[01:52:29] I think at this stage I kind of like the
[01:52:32] role where I'm at because I feel like I
[01:52:34] can be much more of a voice. Um, uh, if
[01:52:39] if I were in the administration, I don't
[01:52:41] think people would know where I stood
[01:52:42] because I, you know, when you're inside,
[01:52:45] you have to, you know, you have to stick
[01:52:47] with what the president, uh, his policy
[01:52:50] and the and the narratives that they
[01:52:51] want to to get out to the American
[01:52:54] people. I mean, I think most of them are
[01:52:55] aligned with. I, you know, I I I think
[01:52:57] Steven Miller is terrific.
[01:52:59] >> I think if you were the if you were, for
[01:53:00] example, if you were just magically
[01:53:02] appointed as the director of the FBI, I
[01:53:05] wonder whether you could succeed. I
[01:53:06] wonder whether General Flynn could be
[01:53:08] successful as a director of one of these
[01:53:10] agencies when it seems from from the
[01:53:12] audience's perspective and from my
[01:53:13] perspective as a journalist
[01:53:15] >> that these institutions are systemically
[01:53:17] corrupt.
[01:53:17] >> Yeah, they are systemically corrupt. So
[01:53:19] here's the difference. Here's the
[01:53:21] difference. So um not only a lifetime of
[01:53:25] experience but um when you are in
[01:53:28] leadership roles in bigger and bigger
[01:53:31] organizations. So, I've led an
[01:53:33] organization that's that's 20,000
[01:53:35] people. I've led an organization that's
[01:53:37] 7,000 people. I've led an organization
[01:53:39] that's500 people, you know, in a in a
[01:53:42] series of assignments. And and a couple
[01:53:45] of those organizations were uh were
[01:53:48] bureaucracies, right? And I've reformed
[01:53:50] one and that and the reforms of of of
[01:53:52] one have stuck till this day.
[01:53:55] >> Which one?
[01:53:55] >> So, that's the DIA. So, so what I would
[01:53:58] tell people is that um I love these
[01:54:02] people that the president has appointed
[01:54:04] and and I and I am um you know trying to
[01:54:06] help them in my own ways uh publicly and
[01:54:10] privately. Um but when you are thrust
[01:54:14] into a a job and your experience has
[01:54:18] been not running large bureaucracies,
[01:54:22] maybe it's been running a an office,
[01:54:24] right? an office of, you know, of
[01:54:27] lawyers, maybe a a prosecutor's office,
[01:54:29] which is like maybe, you know, could be
[01:54:30] 10, could be 12, could be 20 people. It
[01:54:33] doesn't mean that you don't have the
[01:54:34] leadership skills. It just means that
[01:54:35] you don't have the experience. And it's
[01:54:37] not like becoming a CEO. So, all these
[01:54:40] people that are running companies out
[01:54:41] there going, I've done that. You know,
[01:54:43] it's not this is not a company, okay?
[01:54:45] You're running a government, a
[01:54:46] government apparatus, and a government
[01:54:48] structure, which is totally different.
[01:54:49] And they run it's run by a different set
[01:54:52] of rules, policies, and law. and
[01:54:54] regulation. So those are the things that
[01:54:57] I understand. That's why to a degree I
[01:55:00] can tell you there's members of the GOP
[01:55:01] that don't want me anywhere near the
[01:55:02] this White House.
[01:55:03] >> So as a director of a large I don't know
[01:55:05] how many people the FBI was it 100,000 I
[01:55:07] don't know off hand how many people work
[01:55:09] there but what are the sorts of things
[01:55:11] that one has to do in running a large
[01:55:13] bureaucracy to reform the systemic rot
[01:55:16] in your view?
[01:55:16] >> Yeah I think immediately you have to uh
[01:55:19] remove the out the outer layer. Okay.
[01:55:22] Okay. So, for the outer layer, yeah, the
[01:55:24] outer layer is like
[01:55:26] >> um in the FBI and and the DOJ there's I
[01:55:29] think the DOJ has like 903
[01:55:33] uh US attorneys around the country.
[01:55:35] Okay. And so there's an FBI SACE or 80
[01:55:39] uh ADIC I think is what they call them.
[01:55:41] So, a special agent in charge of this
[01:55:43] Pittsburgh field office, an assistant
[01:55:46] director in charge of Chicago, an
[01:55:49] assistant director in charge of Miami,
[01:55:51] Los Angeles, New York, uh Atlanta. So,
[01:55:55] the ADIC's are actually uh they're
[01:55:58] deputy directors of the FBI. They're
[01:56:00] they're significant players. So, you're
[01:56:02] talking about let's just say 90 offices
[01:56:05] around the country, right? when you come
[01:56:07] into that office, especially now, it's
[01:56:09] not like 30 or 40 years ago when you
[01:56:11] came in and and and everybody was was
[01:56:13] still pro America, right? You come into
[01:56:17] an organization like Cash Patel. You got
[01:56:19] all those people that are that are in
[01:56:20] those jobs, they were hired by the
[01:56:22] previous team,
[01:56:23] >> right?
[01:56:24] >> Remove them to thank them for their
[01:56:27] service. Like reach your hand out.
[01:56:28] >> What percentage of do you think it is of
[01:56:30] personnel approximately? Oh, it's, you
[01:56:33] know, I'm I'm going to guess a little
[01:56:35] bit and I'm going to lowball it. It's at
[01:56:36] least 50%.
[01:56:37] >> That's a lot of turnover.
[01:56:39] >> Yeah. But you know something? There's
[01:56:41] people out there that are not so bad,
[01:56:44] right? So now, do you take 6 months, a
[01:56:46] year, two years? Now you're going to FBI
[01:56:48] director is going to be there 10 years,
[01:56:49] let's say, right? Last two haven't made
[01:56:51] it. Let's say he does. You know, is it
[01:56:54] in 10 years you're going to reform it?
[01:56:55] Yeah, you could do that if you knew you
[01:56:57] were going to be there for that long.
[01:56:59] But if we if we go back to uh a a
[01:57:02] leftist government in the United States
[01:57:04] of America, we are never going to come
[01:57:07] back to being a constitutional republic.
[01:57:09] That's the that's the the one big
[01:57:11] message that I I want to leave as well
[01:57:14] as figuring out how you're going to
[01:57:15] serve this country. Um,
[01:57:17] >> so we have we have the the color
[01:57:19] revolution, the the purple or lavender
[01:57:22] preferred color of the LGBT, the
[01:57:24] doctrine, the manifesto, the methods,
[01:57:25] covert operations, funding operations,
[01:57:27] messaging campaigns, and
[01:57:29] >> all of this stuff asymmetrical
[01:57:32] uh what type of warfare is this called
[01:57:34] in your in your 5G warfare? What is it?
[01:57:36] Scops or
[01:57:37] >> Yeah. Well, it's a SCOPS is a is a
[01:57:39] subset a subset of it. I mean it's a
[01:57:41] it's all under the the the rubric or the
[01:57:44] umbrella of fifth generation warfare. So
[01:57:47] what we wanted to do in that particular
[01:57:49] book is we wanted to write a a document
[01:57:52] that actually was a guide so American
[01:57:56] the American people whoever wants to
[01:57:58] read it can not only read it but we also
[01:58:00] put in there exams at the end of every
[01:58:03] chapter which it's the first time I've
[01:58:05] ever seen a bestseller that has exams at
[01:58:08] the end of chapter it's good
[01:58:10] comprehension because you're you want to
[01:58:11] go back and look I mean listen I think
[01:58:14] the hard I think I I understand what
[01:58:17] you're what you're saying and re and I
[01:58:19] feel it deeply cuz I lived it when the
[01:58:21] FBI raided my home,
[01:58:22] >> right?
[01:58:23] >> I was in a state of fear and I and I
[01:58:25] think it's hard for people to accept
[01:58:27] this. Yeah.
[01:58:28] >> Because h how do you reconcile love of
[01:58:30] country to you know to I can't believe
[01:58:34] my own government is doing this.
[01:58:36] >> It's evil.
[01:58:37] >> So, you know, for me,
[01:58:39] >> let me just say one more thing. I I went
[01:58:40] to dinner and I won't I won't mention
[01:58:41] who
[01:58:42] >> but someone who's prominent
[01:58:44] >> and they put it this way and I'm not
[01:58:46] asking you to agree with this and I
[01:58:47] don't know if I agree with this but they
[01:58:48] actually said
[01:58:50] >> I'm I'm it I'm I'm ashamed of my own
[01:58:53] government. I'm ashamed of my own
[01:58:54] country and and I and I just don't know
[01:58:56] how to reconcile being a patriot with
[01:58:58] realizing that everything appears to be
[01:59:01] a lie.
[01:59:02] >> Everything
[01:59:03] >> from JFK to
[01:59:05] >> ask about in a moment but oh my god,
[01:59:07] >> how do you reconcile that?
[01:59:08] >> Yeah. So again, I'll speak for myself in
[01:59:12] this account. Um, so they went through
[01:59:15] my entire life, okay? And then they
[01:59:18] decided they were going to charge me um
[01:59:21] for for for not doing anything wrong.
[01:59:24] When they went through my entire life,
[01:59:26] and I know this because it we we've we
[01:59:28] were able to get the results of
[01:59:30] Crossfire Razor, right? So, and they
[01:59:34] couldn't find an unpaid parking ticket.
[01:59:37] Now, I'm not going to sit here and tell
[01:59:38] you that I'm a boy scout. I am not. But
[01:59:40] I, you know, but I'm one of these guys
[01:59:41] that like tries to live a good life,
[01:59:43] right? And tries to live a a life that
[01:59:45] that is respectful of like my father
[01:59:48] taught me, you know, the golden rule,
[01:59:49] treat others like you like to be
[01:59:51] treated, right? And so they couldn't
[01:59:53] find an unpaid parking ticket. Yet my
[01:59:55] our own government, our government, the
[01:59:57] United States government and the and the
[01:59:59] and the elements inside of our
[02:00:00] government, the intelligence community,
[02:00:02] the highest law enforcement or
[02:00:04] organization in the you know in the in
[02:00:06] the United States of America came after
[02:00:08] me to get to get Trump. They so they
[02:00:11] they they took me out and I mean if
[02:00:14] people want to go read the one of the
[02:00:16] documents it's by a guy by the name of
[02:00:18] an FBI agent, senior FBI agent by the
[02:00:19] name of Barnett and I think it was
[02:00:22] September or October of 2020
[02:00:24] when his his 302 report became public
[02:00:28] and and basically in it he says yeah the
[02:00:30] whole thing about Flynn was get Flynn so
[02:00:32] we could get Trump and it was used in
[02:00:34] other you know other language
[02:00:36] >> flip you against the president. So
[02:00:38] that's why Obama said what he said. I
[02:00:42] mean, and and that was when he said
[02:00:44] that, that was all before I started
[02:00:47] talking to everybody in the world
[02:00:49] because I was getting ready to go into
[02:00:50] the job as national security adviser.
[02:00:53] >> So they didn't It's not just people come
[02:00:55] up to me all the time and go, "I'm so
[02:00:56] sorry what they did to you." It's what
[02:00:58] they did to this country, James. They
[02:01:00] did this to this country and they're
[02:01:02] still doing it. They are not going to
[02:01:03] give up. I want people to understand
[02:01:05] that these people are not going to roll
[02:01:08] over because Donald Trump won the White
[02:01:10] House or he says he signs an executive
[02:01:12] order to fix our elections. I mean,
[02:01:14] >> I think that's even more confusing for
[02:01:16] people when Donald Trump is in the White
[02:01:17] House and nobody has been arrested. That
[02:01:20] doesn't make sense to people, right?
[02:01:22] >> Um, let's go to the Charlie Kirk
[02:01:24] assassination and I'm reading books on
[02:01:26] the JFK assassination and I'm, you know,
[02:01:28] it's a very dark area. What is your
[02:01:30] perspective on
[02:01:32] >> it? Was it a lone with the furry
[02:01:34] girlfriend? Was it just a crazy person?
[02:01:36] What do you make of all this?
[02:01:37] >> I think that there's uh it still remains
[02:01:40] to be seen exactly what happened.
[02:01:41] There's too many questions about his
[02:01:43] assassination. Uh there's been so many
[02:01:46] theories out there. I mean, the So, so I
[02:01:50] personally I don't believe that uh it
[02:01:53] was a lone wolf, 22-year-old who
[02:01:55] wrote a perfect whatever it was text
[02:01:58] message to his lover or whatever. uh you
[02:02:01] know all the all the issues about taking
[02:02:02] a weapon apart. I mean I could get into
[02:02:04] the technical details of because I asked
[02:02:06] I I went and sat down with experts and I
[02:02:09] I said teach me about these things.
[02:02:11] Yeah. I went through all that with with
[02:02:12] experts with people who are snipers,
[02:02:14] people who are ballistics experts,
[02:02:16] people who are weapons experts, people
[02:02:18] who looked at the at the various
[02:02:20] footages. Too many questions out there.
[02:02:23] So what do so so what right? What what
[02:02:26] does Mike Flynn want? What is what Mike
[02:02:28] Flynn wants is our government and it can
[02:02:29] be Cash Patel or it can be Pam Bondi. It
[02:02:31] can be somebody from the White House,
[02:02:32] but I think Cash is probably the right
[02:02:34] guy to stand there and tell the American
[02:02:36] people, look, we don't, you know, we are
[02:02:39] still investigating this. We don't have,
[02:02:43] you know, we have some evidence. We have
[02:02:45] a lot of evidence maybe. I mean, it was
[02:02:47] clear that they that they dirtied up the
[02:02:50] crime scene for certain. There's no
[02:02:52] doubt about that. So just level with us
[02:02:55] because the assassinations of the 1960s,
[02:02:59] particularly the assassination of a of a
[02:03:02] sitting president of the United States
[02:03:04] by elements of our own government, which
[02:03:06] has now been validated by the the latest
[02:03:09] release of information and they still
[02:03:10] haven't released everything. Even though
[02:03:12] Trump said we're going to release
[02:03:13] everything, they still have not released
[02:03:14] everything. Um but I that's what I want
[02:03:17] Cash Patel. Do I want somebody from our
[02:03:19] government?
[02:03:19] >> You want him to come up and say we're
[02:03:20] still doing this.
[02:03:21] >> Look, we're still looking. We don't know
[02:03:22] yet. It takes time. We don't know yet.
[02:03:24] And these things fair. I think it takes
[02:03:25] time.
[02:03:26] >> I mean, it's absolutely fair. And and
[02:03:27] it's in fact in fact, if I were in
[02:03:29] government, I would say in a in a White
[02:03:31] House meeting, this is what you must do.
[02:03:33] Stop all this nonsense about we've
[02:03:36] caught our guy. We got the there's
[02:03:38] there's just been too much. And what it
[02:03:40] does, what it does is it damages and it
[02:03:45] and it continues to eat away and erode
[02:03:48] uh and the trust between the people of
[02:03:51] this country and the government. And
[02:03:53] that's the one thing that must be
[02:03:54] rebuilt. People want to trust our our
[02:03:57] law enforcement. They want to trust our
[02:03:59] government. They want to trust Trump.
[02:04:00] They want to trust Cash Patel. I do. But
[02:04:02] this particular issue with Charlie Kirk
[02:04:04] was such a seinal event in the history
[02:04:07] of the United States of America. and it
[02:04:10] smells bad. It looks bad. You know the
[02:04:12] old duck thing, right? If it looks like
[02:04:14] a duck and walks like a duck, then it's
[02:04:16] a duck. And so something about it is not
[02:04:18] right.
[02:04:19] >> Well, this is from this book that I'm
[02:04:21] reading on JFK, which was recommended to
[02:04:23] me called Unspeakable. And and and this
[02:04:25] is from 62 years ago, November 22nd,
[02:04:28] 1963. You mentioned the assassinations
[02:04:30] of the 1960s. Uh but the Dallas and uh
[02:04:33] bear with me for about 30 seconds. But
[02:04:35] the Dallas and Bethesda doctors who
[02:04:37] changed their testimony under stress,
[02:04:40] who lied out of fear for their lives or
[02:04:42] who followed orders, we've heard that
[02:04:45] one before. In not probing wounds and
[02:04:47] then stonewalling questions were not
[02:04:49] alone. They joined in a larger
[02:04:51] conspiracy of silence that would envelop
[02:04:53] our government, our media, our
[02:04:54] institutions, and virtually our entire
[02:04:56] society. From November of 1963 to
[02:04:59] present, the promoters of the systemic
[02:05:02] evil involved in killing the president
[02:05:04] counted on our repression and denial of
[02:05:07] reality. They knew that no one would
[02:05:09] want to deal with the elephant in the
[02:05:10] room. The doctors who saw that truth
[02:05:13] staring up at them from the dead body
[02:05:15] who then backed away from it were not
[02:05:17] unique. They are symbolic of us all.
[02:05:21] >> Wow.
[02:05:21] >> Yeah.
[02:05:22] >> I mean,
[02:05:23] >> so two words, two words that you evil.
[02:05:26] Evil and denial. So there's a there's
[02:05:28] actually something called counterdenial
[02:05:30] operations or denial operations in this
[02:05:32] in this uh war of information, right? Um
[02:05:37] so the the the doctors that were part of
[02:05:40] all of the the machinations at the at
[02:05:42] the end when Kennedy was, you know, was
[02:05:44] you know his body was recovered and all
[02:05:46] that and everybody that went through
[02:05:46] that, there's so many people that kept
[02:05:49] their mouths shut, right? Kennedy was
[02:05:51] was just a, you know, a data point.
[02:05:55] Kennedy um and um uh the CIA director at
[02:05:59] the time were at odds with each other.
[02:06:01] But when that Kennedy was assassinated,
[02:06:03] they created this this uh commission and
[02:06:07] um to look into the you know to
[02:06:09] investigate the the uh Kennedy
[02:06:11] assassination and one of the people on
[02:06:14] the commission happened to be a guy
[02:06:15] named uh Senator Ford, right? Senator
[02:06:18] Ford,
[02:06:18] >> future president.
[02:06:19] >> Future president of the United States.
[02:06:20] Okay, very interested. So, um, the word
[02:06:24] or the phrase conspiracy theory was
[02:06:26] developed by the CIA out of the Kennedy
[02:06:29] assassination. So, anybody that talked
[02:06:31] about the assassination at the time, and
[02:06:33] there were there were many that talked
[02:06:34] about it, they were using the media and
[02:06:37] their minions in the media, which they
[02:06:38] still have, to to use the word
[02:06:41] conspiracy theory and call him a
[02:06:42] conspiracy theorist. That phrase came
[02:06:45] out of the Kennedy assassination
[02:06:46] developed by the CIA. Okay. So Ford is
[02:06:50] on this commission. Fast forward the
[02:06:55] Nixon gets the boot right to Watergate
[02:06:58] and and what we're dealing with today is
[02:06:59] vastly vastly much you know larger in
[02:07:03] scale than than Watergate. So Nixon
[02:07:06] steps down
[02:07:08] and you know Agnu at the time Agnu was
[02:07:11] his vice president. Agnu had to step
[02:07:14] down and they planned all this very
[02:07:16] intentional. There's great books written
[02:07:17] about this. So, Agnu had some New York
[02:07:20] thing that was like a was like a weird
[02:07:22] like type of of um of of activity that
[02:07:26] he was involved in, some type of
[02:07:27] fraudulent activity. And so, he steps
[02:07:29] down. Nixon is the president and all
[02:07:31] this is happening at Watergate. They all
[02:07:32] knew it was going to happen. So, what
[02:07:34] does Nixon do? He's got to appoint a a
[02:07:36] VP. He steps down. Ford comes in and
[02:07:40] then then Ford then has to appoint a
[02:07:44] vice president. So Ford is not elected
[02:07:46] by the United States of America. Not
[02:07:48] elected. So this is so the so the the
[02:07:50] outcome of Watergate which was which was
[02:07:53] directly related to this commission.
[02:07:55] Okay. Back to Kennedy's assassination.
[02:07:58] So it's like who are who's manipulating
[02:08:01] this? Who is connecting all this
[02:08:03] Right. So you have Ford who gets put
[02:08:06] into the presidency. Who does he bring
[02:08:08] in to be his vice president?
[02:08:09] Rockefeller. Okay. Out of New York. And
[02:08:12] so yet now have a president and a vice
[02:08:14] president because of Watergate which is
[02:08:16] really at the time it was spying right
[02:08:20] little little tiny bit of spying at that
[02:08:23] time which they were which they were
[02:08:24] doing.
[02:08:24] >> Yeah. The new stuff seems to weigh.
[02:08:26] >> It's like oh my god now we're using all
[02:08:27] this sophistication and and and and
[02:08:29] media manipulation in a much much
[02:08:31] different way. Um so this like eb and
[02:08:36] flow of corruption inside of our
[02:08:38] government. And you look and you see
[02:08:40] these these names that pop up over time,
[02:08:43] right? And you kind of go and you say
[02:08:45] sitting here today with you uh talking
[02:08:48] about the JFK assassination or starting
[02:08:50] off with with Charlie Charlie's
[02:08:52] assassination and murder which is just
[02:08:53] so tragic and and you kind of go, wait a
[02:08:56] second, you know, folks, America and and
[02:09:01] to our government, they're not going to
[02:09:03] get away with this. They're not going to
[02:09:04] get away with this anymore.
[02:09:05] >> How do you know that? Well, because
[02:09:06] because the American people American
[02:09:09] people as as uh you know, as Victor
[02:09:12] Davis Hansen talks about this
[02:09:13] counterrevolution, we have decided I
[02:09:16] think I think the majority of Americans
[02:09:18] have decided that you know we're just
[02:09:20] not going to do this anymore. We're not
[02:09:22] going to put up with this anymore.
[02:09:23] >> You mean we decided that recently?
[02:09:24] >> Fairly recently. I think I think in the
[02:09:26] last in probably in the last year
[02:09:28] >> because the devil's advocate would say
[02:09:29] they did get away with the previous
[02:09:31] situation.
[02:09:31] >> Yeah. they're still to a degree they're
[02:09:33] still getting away with some of it
[02:09:35] because until we start to see real true
[02:09:37] accountability
[02:09:39] um you know then then maybe they will
[02:09:41] get away with it but I I think from the
[02:09:42] from an American
[02:09:44] uh citizens perspective and the
[02:09:46] sentiment that I feel from those that
[02:09:48] are American citizens out there in the
[02:09:50] country they're kind of going hey when
[02:09:52] when when is this going to stop right
[02:09:55] and it will only stop as I said earlier
[02:09:57] if people decide to get involved in
[02:09:59] their in their communities that's the
[02:10:01] only way it's going to up.
[02:10:02] >> It starts with the individual. We do
[02:10:04] have some individual callers. Nick, are
[02:10:08] they ready?
[02:10:09] >> We have subscribers to OMG. And I think
[02:10:13] that's a good place to to pivot. It
[02:10:15] starts with you and your community. I
[02:10:17] agree with you. And I just want to make
[02:10:18] a comment that I think it on a on a
[02:10:20] personal level. I think it starts with
[02:10:21] the individual
[02:10:23] >> being willing to tell the truth, right?
[02:10:25] >> Because people always say, James, what
[02:10:27] can I do? I almost sometimes feel
[02:10:29] general fund that people like to
[02:10:30] complain to make themselves feel like
[02:10:32] they're doing something right
[02:10:34] >> but the action is to tell the truth. We
[02:10:36] have caller on the line
[02:10:39] >> Paul and these are just audience uh
[02:10:42] people calling in who are who are our
[02:10:44] subscribers they get to ask a question
[02:10:46] Paul are you there
[02:10:49] Paul?
[02:10:51] No we'll come back to Paul in a minute.
[02:10:54] Um, but we have some qu subscriber
[02:10:56] questions written down. We'll try to get
[02:10:58] that we'll try to get Paul on the air.
[02:11:00] But a couple of our subscribers did not
[02:11:02] want to call in live because it's a live
[02:11:04] show. They wrote me the question. So,
[02:11:06] I'm going to um
[02:11:09] Oh, we have another caller. Go ahead.
[02:11:12] We have another Paul. There's two
[02:11:14] Paul's. Apostle Paul.
[02:11:17] Paul, are you there?
[02:11:20] Paul. Maybe it's the same Paul. Is he
[02:11:23] trying to call back? Maybe.
[02:11:24] >> Maybe he's trying to call back. We don't
[02:11:26] hear Paul. So keep trying, Paul.
[02:11:27] >> Producer, we'll keep trying. But in the
[02:11:29] meantime, as soon as he comes on the
[02:11:31] air, um, we'll let him speak up. In the
[02:11:33] meantime, I'm going to read you. We got
[02:11:35] about five questions from our
[02:11:37] subscribers.
[02:11:38] >> This is kind of a lightning round, so
[02:11:40] we'll do about a minute per question.
[02:11:42] Um,
[02:11:44] first question is from from anonymous
[02:11:46] subscriber.
[02:11:48] General Flynn, what and when was the
[02:11:51] first instance that you knew that you
[02:11:53] were being railroaded? Can you think
[02:11:55] back to that moment?
[02:11:56] >> Uh, yeah. I think that um it was
[02:11:59] probably the summer of 2017.
[02:12:03] Um, particularly when they really
[02:12:04] started to hone in on on uh on other
[02:12:08] aspects of my family. And I've talked
[02:12:09] about Michael already. So, they really
[02:12:11] started to sort of drive try to drive a
[02:12:14] wedge between my son and I. And that was
[02:12:16] really I then I knew that wow this is
[02:12:19] not good and uh and I became a target
[02:12:22] not a subject of their investigation.
[02:12:24] That was roughly if I remember right
[02:12:26] around the August of 2017 time frame.
[02:12:29] >> 2017 difficult time.
[02:12:31] >> Um
[02:12:32] uh General Flynn, what do you have to
[02:12:34] say to encourage disillusioned army
[02:12:36] officers who resign due to the Biden vax
[02:12:41] mandate? I get these a lot. I get
[02:12:43] thousands and thousands. Respectfully,
[02:12:45] Mary from Arizona.
[02:12:46] >> Mhm. Mary, so thanks for that question.
[02:12:49] Actually, there you're there's about
[02:12:51] 80,000 that were affected. 80,000
[02:12:54] uniform service military personnel. Uh
[02:12:57] about 80,000 that were affected. The the
[02:13:00] Department of Defense has done or
[02:13:02] Department of War and OP HG's intent is
[02:13:04] to get this thing fixed. the uh services
[02:13:07] are not doing a good job right now of
[02:13:10] basically uh getting people that want
[02:13:12] to, you know, want to come back in to
[02:13:14] serve uh want to get back pay, want to
[02:13:17] get their ranks restored. I mean, there
[02:13:19] needs to be a better uh more organized
[02:13:23] process run probably by the Secretary of
[02:13:26] War himself, you know, with with
[02:13:28] somebody that who we trust to get it
[02:13:29] done and and have it like for anybody
[02:13:32] that's ever been in the military, you go
[02:13:34] to a new duty station, there's a place
[02:13:35] called OneTop where you get everything
[02:13:37] done. We needed kind of a one-stop to
[02:13:39] get this issue uh resolved because we
[02:13:42] can't have people on the streets of
[02:13:44] America that served in our in our armed
[02:13:46] forces out there with this kind of a of
[02:13:50] of a lousy story because what our my
[02:13:53] responsibility is as I go around the
[02:13:55] country is to try to find people who
[02:13:57] want to serve our country in uniform
[02:13:59] because it's a noble cause. So Mary, you
[02:14:02] know, don't don't give up. Don't give
[02:14:04] up. And I know that Secretary Heg says
[02:14:06] his intent is to fix this problem. Uh
[02:14:10] but he's but he's running into headwinds
[02:14:12] uh just below him.
[02:14:15] >> Okay. I think we have now Paul on the
[02:14:17] line. Apostle Paul, can you hear me?
[02:14:21] >> Producer, this is live television, guys.
[02:14:24] This is how it goes. Do we we can't hear
[02:14:26] him? Nick
[02:14:28] says connected, but I don't believe we
[02:14:30] can I don't believe we can hear him hear
[02:14:32] his voice. Can
[02:14:32] >> he text it to us?
[02:14:34] Uh, let's go to the other caller. Next
[02:14:36] caller.
[02:14:38] Live television, everybody. This is
[02:14:40] always fun. We don't hear the voice.
[02:14:44] Producer
[02:14:47] Paul, can you hear us?
[02:14:50] Nope. No volume. We'll keep working on
[02:14:54] it. Let's go over to the next question
[02:14:56] we have written from our subscribers.
[02:14:58] This is very generic. And I and I do
[02:15:00] have your your letter to America. I've
[02:15:02] read all your books
[02:15:04] >> and you kind of lay out some of the
[02:15:05] values here just to set the context for
[02:15:07] the question we're about to get and you
[02:15:09] say five points for America's future. So
[02:15:11] it is in general Flynn's book
[02:15:13] >> uh uh regarding what solutions are what
[02:15:16] first second third and fourth educate
[02:15:19] the citizens revitalize faith promote
[02:15:22] families promote industry but um the
[02:15:25] question is very generic.
[02:15:28] What concrete specific actions
[02:15:32] maybe two to three actions can we take
[02:15:34] to set America right again?
[02:15:38] Uh I do believe we have to restore trust
[02:15:40] in in the uh in government has to
[02:15:42] happen. Uh I think Trump is the guy to
[02:15:45] do it. Um we've talked about it on the
[02:15:47] show here today. Some of the areas where
[02:15:49] that where trust has to be restored.
[02:15:51] That's just a matter of being honest.
[02:15:53] Just be honest with the American people.
[02:15:54] We can take it. Um I think that's number
[02:15:56] one.
[02:15:56] >> The politicians.
[02:15:57] >> Yeah. Politically the the the trust this
[02:16:00] level of trust that we need between our
[02:16:02] institutions of government and the
[02:16:03] American people. Just be honest. If you
[02:16:05] don't know something, say it. Um, the
[02:16:07] second thing I think we have to reook uh
[02:16:09] our foreign policy. I think our foreign
[02:16:11] policy right now is is a bit chaotic.
[02:16:14] Um, I don't like uh the fact that we're
[02:16:17] in all these wars. I don't like the fact
[02:16:19] that we spend billions of dollars
[02:16:20] overseas when we've got homeless
[02:16:22] veterans, for example, here in America
[02:16:24] and and other other uh problems here in
[02:16:27] America that we could deal we could take
[02:16:29] that money and put here. That would be
[02:16:30] America first. Um I I think that the
[02:16:33] third thing is is and it's really more
[02:16:36] at the local level. I think that there's
[02:16:37] got to be uh well a a component of it is
[02:16:42] to eliminate the education department at
[02:16:44] the federal level and turn education
[02:16:47] back over to states and and mothers and
[02:16:49] fathers. Um the education as a component
[02:16:52] of our future, not just the children,
[02:16:55] but the actual things that we learn are
[02:16:57] super important. So, those are those are
[02:16:59] three areas that I think um need to
[02:17:02] happen. I think that they need to
[02:17:03] happen. There's probably a few others in
[02:17:04] there, but those are three.
[02:17:06] >> All right, next question. We we we have
[02:17:09] a couple live callers that were just
[02:17:11] sorting out a tech issue, so we'll just
[02:17:12] have another about five minutes with
[02:17:14] General Flynn,
[02:17:15] >> but um this question is about Mark
[02:17:18] Millie. That's the chairman of joint
[02:17:21] former chairman of Joint Chiefs of
[02:17:22] Staff, right?
[02:17:24] >> What penalty has Mark Millie paid? What
[02:17:26] penalty has he paid?
[02:17:29] That presupposes he has paid a penalty.
[02:17:31] >> Yeah.
[02:17:32] >> For his subversion of the American
[02:17:34] people in the previous administration.
[02:17:37] >> Yeah, it's a good question and it's a
[02:17:38] tough one for him. Uh I know that there
[02:17:41] is some type of, you know, um some type
[02:17:43] of an investigation I understand inside
[02:17:45] of the Department of War uh against uh
[02:17:48] General Millie. I know Mark. I knew I
[02:17:51] knew him. You know, I was deployed with
[02:17:52] him to Afghanistan
[02:17:54] uh number of years ago. with Millie to
[02:17:56] Afghanistan.
[02:17:57] >> Yeah. Yeah. And uh and uh and I've
[02:17:59] worked with him over the years prior to
[02:18:00] him getting into the the more senior uh
[02:18:04] you know, jobs that he was in, chief of
[02:18:05] staff of the Army and chairman of the
[02:18:07] Joint Chiefs. Um so, uh yeah, I mean
[02:18:12] there there's there's very possible that
[02:18:14] he could get uh discovered, you know,
[02:18:16] they may in some type of investigation
[02:18:18] that they're doing, he could get reduced
[02:18:19] in rank, uh which would be pretty
[02:18:22] severe. Um, I mean, just the the the
[02:18:25] personal stuff. They've taken his f his
[02:18:28] his big they do these framed pictures of
[02:18:30] everybody in the in the halls of the
[02:18:31] Pentagon. They've taken his picture
[02:18:32] down. Um, I I think he did uh go over
[02:18:36] the top uh with some of the statements
[02:18:39] that he made. He should have never said
[02:18:40] them. He should have stuck with the uh
[02:18:43] with being a military officer, military
[02:18:46] professional instead of uh crossing a
[02:18:49] political line, which it appears that he
[02:18:50] did. what he the worst statement he made
[02:18:52] was
[02:18:53] >> I I think when he was in I think he was
[02:18:54] in front of Congress where he talked
[02:18:56] about you know I forget the exact phrase
[02:18:58] where you know I want to understand
[02:19:01] white something you know like it was
[02:19:02] just a ridiculous
[02:19:04] >> response I forget the exact line I mean
[02:19:06] somebody in your audience I'm sure knows
[02:19:08] what I'm talking about but it had to do
[02:19:10] with white supremacy or something like
[02:19:12] that was just dumb you know you know
[02:19:14] come on we serve in the military nobody
[02:19:16] cares in the military and I I've said
[02:19:18] this many times we don't care If you're
[02:19:21] purple with pink polka dots, as long as
[02:19:22] you can achieve a standard and
[02:19:24] everything in the military has a
[02:19:25] standard. You know, this business about
[02:19:27] whites, blacks, you know, whatever color
[02:19:30] you are, doesn't matter. It's a
[02:19:32] standard. And if you can achieve it, you
[02:19:34] can pass it. I don't want I'm not going
[02:19:36] to lower the standards for you to so you
[02:19:38] can make it. You know, that's what the
[02:19:39] DEI nonsense does. But Millie Millie
[02:19:42] allowed a lot of that stuff and and you
[02:19:44] know, so um he's going to have to live
[02:19:46] with that for the rest of his life.
[02:19:49] Um, okay. Yeah, that that a lot of
[02:19:52] people feel that these people are guilty
[02:19:53] of treason. That's the view of the uh of
[02:19:55] the subscriber. Another subscriber
[02:19:58] question. We're going to actually have
[02:19:59] the individual call my cell phone and
[02:20:01] put it on speaker just to sort out the
[02:20:02] technical issues here uh in a moment. We
[02:20:06] got one more written question which was
[02:20:09] um how your Catholic faith helped you.
[02:20:14] Oh, wait a second. Before we get to that
[02:20:16] question, I believe we have Paul.
[02:20:17] >> Good. Finally.
[02:20:19] Hey Paul,
[02:20:20] >> thanks for trying. Thanks for keeping
[02:20:22] >> Okay, Paul, you're live uh on everywhere
[02:20:25] Instagram x YouTube. We're sitting with
[02:20:26] General Flynn. Thank you for subscribing
[02:20:28] to OMG and supporting our journalism. Go
[02:20:32] ahead and ask your question.
[02:20:35] >> Yes. Okay. My question is All right.
[02:20:37] I've read all uh General Flynn's books.
[02:20:40] Uh and I got I got a friend that's going
[02:20:43] through some is going through something.
[02:20:45] this war on our minds is getting out of
[02:20:47] control with AI and uh you know the
[02:20:50] information warfare even
[02:20:53] just completely MAGA and he's he's
[02:20:57] losing it. My question is basically is
[02:21:00] you know I've tried everything. What can
[02:21:01] I do with the Pol?
[02:21:04] Uh I tried everything and it's getting
[02:21:08] it's getting to the point where it's
[02:21:10] it's just unbearable. I'm getting back
[02:21:12] to the books. I'm I'm sorry about your
[02:21:14] loss of uh
[02:21:16] >> Boon Cutler Gerald Slim.
[02:21:18] >> Thank you. Thank you for saying that,
[02:21:20] Paul.
[02:21:20] >> Thank you, Paul.
[02:21:21] >> Um thank you for that question and and
[02:21:23] and I feel for your friend. Um you know,
[02:21:26] Boon Boon taught me a lot. Boon Cutler,
[02:21:29] co-author of the of the 5GW book and a
[02:21:32] great friend just recently died. You
[02:21:34] know, he taught me a lot of things and
[02:21:35] one of the things he taught me was about
[02:21:36] this business of of making sure that
[02:21:39] that we have somebody who we can talk
[02:21:41] to, right? uh you know make sure
[02:21:43] everybody has a mission and so Paul your
[02:21:46] mission is to make sure that your your
[02:21:47] friend has a mission in life and and uh
[02:21:51] you know and I don't know what the whole
[02:21:53] background issues are but um but just
[02:21:56] understand that there's a lot of people
[02:21:58] out there that are struggling and we've
[02:22:00] talked a little bit about this today's
[02:22:02] show uh with trying to figure out what's
[02:22:04] going on and uh and understand that u
[02:22:08] sometimes you just got to get out of
[02:22:09] this bubble this cocoon that we are in
[02:22:12] and go. You know, one of the things that
[02:22:14] that that Boon did for me probably among
[02:22:17] among a number of things was to restore
[02:22:19] my my faith in myself and my and in and
[02:22:23] in my religion. I'm a Catholic, right?
[02:22:25] So, you know, I I would just say to to
[02:22:28] really don't lose sight of how powerful
[02:22:31] faith can be.
[02:22:33] >> Thank you, Paul.
[02:22:34] >> I did I did coach my faith on on him as
[02:22:37] well. I'm very religious myself and I'm
[02:22:40] trying everything. I appreciate it.
[02:22:42] >> Thank you, Paul.
[02:22:43] >> Thank you, Paul.
[02:22:44] >> Thank you.
[02:22:45] >> Thank you, guys. Continue work. I
[02:22:47] appreciate it.
[02:22:48] >> Here's our next caller. We're doing this
[02:22:49] the oldfashioned way on speaker. Uh, can
[02:22:53] you hear me?
[02:22:54] >> Yes.
[02:22:55] >> Yes. What's your name, sir?
[02:22:57] >> Paul Sutliff.
[02:22:59] >> The other Paul. Now, we have both
[02:23:00] Paul's. Paul Sutliff, you're live. It's
[02:23:02] good.
[02:23:03] >> On the Price is My Life with General
[02:23:05] Mike Flynn. Go ahead and ask your
[02:23:06] question.
[02:23:09] I was made aware that you might have had
[02:23:11] a plan to deal with the Muslims war
[02:23:13] against the North America uh when you
[02:23:17] were up for national security uh chief
[02:23:20] and I'm hoping you could share something
[02:23:22] on that.
[02:23:24] >> Yeah, good question. and and uh so a
[02:23:27] number of things that that uh that they
[02:23:29] were concerned about and this is one of
[02:23:31] the reasons why Obama warned Trump not
[02:23:34] to have me because you know I'm not I'm
[02:23:37] not anti- people I'm anti- ideologies
[02:23:40] that don't are not compatible with the
[02:23:43] United States of America right so you
[02:23:45] come into this country you assimilate
[02:23:46] into this country you you abide by our
[02:23:49] rules and our laws and and you know and
[02:23:51] and you know learn the pledge of
[02:23:52] allegiance right learn the constitution
[02:23:55] Um, so I know and and when I was serving
[02:23:59] as a national security adviser, even
[02:24:00] though for a brief brief period of time,
[02:24:03] I did bring uh a certain couple of
[02:24:05] things in front of President Trump and
[02:24:07] I'll leave it at that just because it's,
[02:24:09] you know, to this day. Uh, but it had to
[02:24:12] do with this issue. It had to do with
[02:24:14] this issue. And so because I I lived it,
[02:24:17] I served and and fought against this
[02:24:20] radicalized ideicalized
[02:24:23] ideology. I understood it very well. I
[02:24:26] consider myself a subject matter expert
[02:24:28] in it and uh I've written you know I've
[02:24:30] written books about it. Right. So so um
[02:24:33] yeah uh I I was I was looking at these
[02:24:38] enemies and what I what I now call the
[02:24:41] axis of resistance uh inside of our
[02:24:44] country and we're seeing it now play out
[02:24:47] on the streets of America uh in a big
[02:24:50] way. And uh you know it this is these
[02:24:53] are anti-Americans, right? These aren't
[02:24:55] these aren't you know everybody can get
[02:24:57] in get all wrapped around the axle about
[02:24:58] Zionists and Jews and Israel, but it's
[02:25:01] it's more than that. It's it's this is a
[02:25:04] there there's an axis of resistance
[02:25:06] inside of our country and and that that
[02:25:08] component of it is is part of that axis.
[02:25:11] >> Thank you very much for the question,
[02:25:12] Paul. Appreciate it very much.
[02:25:15] >> Good. Uh, one more one more subscriber
[02:25:17] question, written question now, unless
[02:25:20] we have any other callers, let me know.
[02:25:21] But I think this is the last one. Last
[02:25:23] question. Well, by the way, before I ask
[02:25:25] this question, I also read in your book,
[02:25:27] Field, the Field of Flight.
[02:25:29] >> I think you wrote this in 2016, right?
[02:25:31] >> Before all the stuff happened. Yeah. Um,
[02:25:34] >> uh, a leader is responsible for helping
[02:25:37] others see something in themselves and
[02:25:38] then helping them maximize their
[02:25:40] potential. You were talking about U.
[02:25:43] uh Okonnell
[02:25:45] >> Tom Okonnell. He's
[02:25:46] >> Okonnell,
[02:25:47] >> right?
[02:25:47] >> Uh and I and I think that's true. I
[02:25:49] think a leader is responsible.
[02:25:50] >> Yeah, he taught me that when I I was he
[02:25:52] was my first battalion commander when I
[02:25:55] was in the 82nd Airborne Division. He's
[02:25:56] actually uh from the he's from another
[02:25:59] guy from Rhode Island, actually from the
[02:26:01] hometown uh next door to mine. And uh he
[02:26:04] was a lieutenant colonel. I was a
[02:26:05] lieutenant and he he and I worked with
[02:26:07] each other over the years. And he's the
[02:26:09] one that taught me that early on. He
[02:26:10] said, "You know, that's one of your
[02:26:12] responsibilities is to look at people,
[02:26:14] look at the soldiers that you got,
[02:26:15] people around you and maximize their
[02:26:17] potential because you find somebody and
[02:26:20] you know, they join the military. I'll
[02:26:21] just use the military. You join the
[02:26:23] military and you know, you join as a
[02:26:25] truck driver, right? But you find out
[02:26:27] that you're a really good uh, you know,
[02:26:30] engine repairman or you're a really good
[02:26:32] or you can fly a helicopter, right? I
[02:26:34] mean, sometimes you you you you start
[02:26:36] something for one reason and then you
[02:26:39] realize when you get into it, you go,
[02:26:40] "Wow, I'm actually pretty good at these
[02:26:42] other things." Well, then go for it.
[02:26:44] Find your passion in life and maximize
[02:26:48] that passion and and and and bring it to
[02:26:50] life, right? Maximize your potential.
[02:26:53] And uh and I think if I've done anything
[02:26:54] for people that I've worked around in my
[02:26:57] military career was to try to do that
[02:27:00] for them as much as possible. That
[02:27:01] requires discernment, knowing what
[02:27:03] someone is good at.
[02:27:05] >> Okay. How about your faith? Uh you're
[02:27:08] Catholic.
[02:27:09] >> Yep.
[02:27:10] >> Um how has your Catholic faith helped
[02:27:12] him? This is from the audience.
[02:27:14] >> And about General Flynn's honest
[02:27:16] thoughts on the Christians being divided
[02:27:20] over Christian denominations.
[02:27:23] >> Yeah. But there's a lot of that. There's
[02:27:24] a lot of uh division right now within
[02:27:26] the Christianity the the Christian
[02:27:28] community, the various faiths within the
[02:27:30] Christian um you know component of
[02:27:35] religion. A lot of that and and some of
[02:27:36] it's intentional. It's actually being
[02:27:38] intentionally done. I mentioned you know
[02:27:40] the Methodists and the Episcopalian
[02:27:42] churches as an example uh their
[02:27:44] leadership. You know you kind of look at
[02:27:45] the leadership and you go wait a second
[02:27:46] if you believe in the Bible and you
[02:27:48] believe in these these tenants and these
[02:27:49] doctrines then h how can you you know it
[02:27:52] doesn't jive. uh the Catholic uh faith
[02:27:56] uh in America. I'm I have in my book,
[02:27:58] you know, feel the fight there. Uh I I
[02:28:01] actually I actually there's a part of it
[02:28:02] in there where I go after the Catholic
[02:28:04] Church because the Catholic Church for
[02:28:06] the for the the the the scourge of
[02:28:09] pedophilia in the Catholic Church with
[02:28:11] with priests and bishops. They tried
[02:28:14] Rome tried to tried to use canon law in
[02:28:18] uh in uh courts in America and good
[02:28:21] enough for a judge up in Boston. and he
[02:28:22] said, "Nope, we follow the Constitution.
[02:28:24] We don't follow your canon law." Well,
[02:28:27] you know, for those that are listening
[02:28:29] and monitoring and watching closely, you
[02:28:31] have elements of another ideology,
[02:28:33] another faith in this country that are
[02:28:34] trying to use Sharia law, you know, in
[02:28:37] within the within cities in our country.
[02:28:39] So, we only have one law. It's the
[02:28:40] constitution. The Catholic community, as
[02:28:43] a man of, you know, as a Catholic who
[02:28:44] grew up as a Catholic, I'm imperfect. Um
[02:28:49] I uh you know I I you know can name all
[02:28:52] the priests and and and churches I've
[02:28:54] been to and always worked in them,
[02:28:57] volunteered. Uh I I do think that we
[02:29:00] have to uh be good to to others. My
[02:29:02] again I I'll repeat this. My father
[02:29:04] taught us to apply the golden rule which
[02:29:07] is really a rule for everybody but it's
[02:29:09] to treat others like you like to be
[02:29:11] treated. And I think that comes from our
[02:29:13] Catholic faith. And that's what I would
[02:29:15] like to try to be. I don't want to be
[02:29:16] hateful, vindictive, scornful. I want to
[02:29:19] be somebody who is helpful and uh and
[02:29:22] and optimistic uh about what our future
[02:29:25] holds. And our future will hold those
[02:29:28] positive things only if we decide to get
[02:29:32] involved in our country.
[02:29:34] >> Do unto others as you would have them do
[02:29:36] unto you. Yep.
[02:29:36] >> Or greater love is no more than a man
[02:29:39] laying down his life for his friends.
[02:29:41] >> Big time.
[02:29:42] >> Well, did I miss anything you want to
[02:29:44] cover? Did we I know we covered a lot.
[02:29:45] We could talk for hours, but is there
[02:29:46] anything you wanted to say beyond what
[02:29:48] you've said?
[02:29:49] >> Well, I I just want to say that uh for
[02:29:52] this audience and for those that hear
[02:29:54] this message that um what I think that
[02:29:58] you do, you know, because we've met
[02:30:01] before and spoken before and uh and I
[02:30:04] just I'm I'm a big fan of courage and
[02:30:09] you know, they always say courage is
[02:30:11] contagious, right? Courage is
[02:30:13] contagious, but actually courage is a
[02:30:16] decision before it becomes contagious.
[02:30:18] So you have to make a decision. This is
[02:30:20] really for everybody that's listening,
[02:30:22] but and I'm I'm using you as the as the
[02:30:25] example of courage because it you it
[02:30:28] doesn't come without fear, but it
[02:30:31] requires a decision. So people I think
[02:30:33] the American people need to make a
[02:30:34] decision for all of us to now be
[02:30:36] courageous. And we can be courageous
[02:30:38] together. And once we're courageous,
[02:30:40] then that contagent that contagion of of
[02:30:43] courage and and and this courageous
[02:30:46] application of our voices and what we do
[02:30:50] uh becomes even more important and we
[02:30:52] can change things. We can change. We've
[02:30:54] seen it with the in the world of social
[02:30:56] media where somebody, you know, says
[02:30:59] something about a particular beer and
[02:31:00] then the American people go, "We're not
[02:31:02] going to put up with that." Right? So, I
[02:31:04] think for you and your team and what you
[02:31:08] do is an example of courage and it's a
[02:31:10] decision that you've made and I'm I'm
[02:31:12] I'm, you know, honored and blessed to be
[02:31:14] here today with you and I'm appreciate
[02:31:16] your patience to getting me here and
[02:31:18] your team's patience. So, thanks very
[02:31:19] much.
[02:31:20] >> Thank you, General Flynn. It's been
[02:31:21] great talking to you.
[02:31:22] >> Absolutely. Thanks, James.
[02:31:35] This morning when I woke, I couldn't
[02:31:37] stop hearing tear drops on my ceiling
[02:31:40] falling from the eyes of the beautiful
[02:31:42] angel I had slaughtered. Hold me,
[02:31:45] ignoring what you told me, only for a
[02:31:48] moment. Everything is fine and the
[02:31:50] beautiful golden path unfolding anger in
[02:31:53] response to my emotion. All the trauma
[02:31:56] left unopen. Go with all away and fly
[02:31:59] inside. Get high. Good times. I'm
[02:32:01] reeling from the raindrops on the
[02:32:03] ceiling. From your heart, this is
[02:32:05] revealing. You want to get away, you're
[02:32:07] bored into my afraid of. Isn't that what
[02:32:11] life is made of? When you think about
[02:32:13] all you gave up. When you think about
[02:32:15] all the glamour and the money that they
[02:32:18] sold you. When the raindrops hit your
[02:32:20] ceiling, will you see a heal with being?
[02:32:23] Will you open your eyes aboard the
[02:32:25] things this is revealing? I survive what
[02:32:27] they sent to destroy me. Resurrected
[02:32:29] like a biblical story. They thought that
[02:32:32] it was the old me, but it ain't the old
[02:32:34] me, it's the bold me. I survive what
[02:32:36] they sent to destroy me. Resurrected
[02:32:38] like a biblical story. They thought that
[02:32:40] it was the old me, but it ain't the old
[02:32:42] me, it's the bold me. Huh? Yeah. I'm
[02:32:45] looking dangerous now. Yeah, they
[02:32:47] looking anxious now. Yeah, look at their
[02:32:50] faces now. Yeah, how did they make it
[02:32:52] out? Yeah, I had to break it. I'm
[02:32:55] talking that family curse. Everyone said
[02:32:57] I wouldn't make it. Spoiler alert. Man,
[02:33:00] what are you so afraid of?
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