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[00:00:01] I can't underscore enough. There will be
[00:00:03] no amnesty. The mass deportations
[00:00:06] continue, but in a strategic way, and we
[00:00:08] move the workforce towards automation
[00:00:10] and 100% American participation, which
[00:00:13] again, with 34 million people uh
[00:00:15] able-bodied adults on Medicaid, we
[00:00:17] should be able to do that fairly
[00:00:18] quickly.
[00:00:20] Yes, thank you. That was Brooke Rollins,
[00:00:23] United States Secretary of Agriculture,
[00:00:25] saying that we're all going to get
[00:00:26] replaced by robots and die of benevolent
[00:00:29] neglect on governmental subsistence that
[00:00:32] doesn't exist. So, that's fun. Today,
[00:00:34] we're going to be talking about ICE and
[00:00:37] its connection, name melding, with
[00:00:39] Israeli intelligence. As you know, the
[00:00:41] Israeli plan for Gaza is to put some
[00:00:43] 600,000 Palestinians in a concentration
[00:00:46] camp built over the ruins of Rafa, a
[00:00:48] city that had stood for millennia. as a
[00:00:51] staging area for quote voluntary
[00:00:53] immigration or voluntary migration,
[00:00:55] excuse me. Seems like we're doing our
[00:00:57] own test run of that and the Florida
[00:00:59] Everglades with this alligator Alcatraz.
[00:01:03] Governments learn from each other,
[00:01:04] y'all, and empower and reciprocate their
[00:01:07] respective bad behaviors and worst
[00:01:09] practices. Today's episode is DHS, Tiger
[00:01:13] Teams to concentration camps, ICE, and
[00:01:15] its connection to Israeli intelligence.
[00:01:18] Hello and welcome to State of Play on
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[00:01:44] over. So, the format for this show is
[00:01:46] going uh sorry, the format for this show
[00:01:49] going forward will be a Monday episode
[00:01:52] where I break down the insanity from the
[00:01:54] weekend by ranting into a computer
[00:01:55] camera and a Thursday episode where we
[00:01:58] will bring on journalists from the Mint
[00:02:00] Press newsroom and other guests to
[00:02:02] discuss the news, but in a more
[00:02:04] evergreen manner. ICE and Israeli
[00:02:07] intelligence go way back. So, this is
[00:02:09] like a quasi evergreen episode that you
[00:02:11] can always come back and reference.
[00:02:14] So to get straight into it today um lots
[00:02:18] to talk about and to that end we are
[00:02:20] joined by Robert Inlakesh. Robert is a
[00:02:22] political analyst, journalist and
[00:02:24] documentary filmmaker who has reported
[00:02:26] from and lived in the occupied
[00:02:28] Palestinian territories and has worked
[00:02:30] with RT Cuds News TRT al-Mayadine
[00:02:32] English and is currently here at Mint
[00:02:34] Press and Jalissa Dugro an independent
[00:02:36] journalist based in Florida. She covers
[00:02:39] Middle East conflicts and explores the
[00:02:40] influence of Western governments and
[00:02:42] media on these conflicts in the region.
[00:02:44] She has recently been been on the ground
[00:02:46] reporting on the anti-ICE actions in LA
[00:02:49] for Mint Press News over the past couple
[00:02:52] weeks, months. Thanks so much for coming
[00:02:53] on, y'all.
[00:02:55] Thanks so much. Thank you.
[00:02:58] All right, so um well, here we are. uh
[00:03:03] we've seen kind of um this expansion of
[00:03:07] cooperation between you know ICE law
[00:03:11] enforcement in general the NYPD LAPD
[00:03:14] even the Atlanta PD have liaison
[00:03:15] programs in Tel Aviv with the IDF uh and
[00:03:18] people are thinking it's kind of like a
[00:03:19] new thing but when I was doing research
[00:03:21] for this episode like it goes way back
[00:03:23] almost to the inception of ICE and the
[00:03:26] foundation of Department of Homeland
[00:03:27] Security uh dating back to the Patriot
[00:03:29] Act.
[00:03:32] Yeah. Well, like I mean uh to comment on
[00:03:35] that, this has been happening for years.
[00:03:37] Uh the New York Police Department was uh
[00:03:40] receiving training from the IDF as well.
[00:03:42] Um it also goes all the way through to
[00:03:44] private security companies as well that
[00:03:47] have been operating. Um, not only do the
[00:03:50] Israelis, uh, you know, bring their ex
[00:03:53] Mossad agents, exun 8 200 uh, which is
[00:03:57] Israeli military intelligence uh,
[00:04:00] officers over uh, to open up these
[00:04:03] security firms uh, and tech firms. Uh,
[00:04:07] also there's direct state complicity uh,
[00:04:10] state-to-state complicity with this and
[00:04:12] they're sharing tactics, sharing
[00:04:14] intelligence. Uh so this is something
[00:04:16] that's been going on for a very long
[00:04:18] time. And of course you look at a lot of
[00:04:19] the techniques that they've been using
[00:04:21] against the Palestinians. Uh this goes
[00:04:24] not just to uh policing or databases but
[00:04:28] also uh certain uh equipment that is
[00:04:32] being used uh by the Israeli military.
[00:04:34] Um tactics of of uh crowd control um in
[00:04:38] the occupied West Bank. you'll see that
[00:04:41] they're experimenting with certain
[00:04:43] technology
[00:04:44] which uh the likes of Google are
[00:04:46] involved in in terms of uh predictive uh
[00:04:50] capabilities and how to decide uh via
[00:04:54] facial recognition whether someone is
[00:04:56] about to imminently commit an attack or
[00:04:59] uh is going to be violent. Uh these are
[00:05:02] the same technologies they're testing on
[00:05:04] Palestinians and then of course they
[00:05:06] then market this to the world. Uh so it
[00:05:09] is a testing ground uh really that we
[00:05:11] see in the occupied territories.
[00:05:14] Yeah. And and Jalissa, when you were in
[00:05:15] LA covering the ICE uh protests, we
[00:05:19] we've been seeing videos of ICE officers
[00:05:21] like take out their phone and we presume
[00:05:23] they're like
[00:05:25] planting it like plugging it into a AI
[00:05:28] app. Have did you guys hear about that
[00:05:30] from local activists?
[00:05:31] We didn't hear about an AI app, but I
[00:05:34] mean there are definitely suspicions
[00:05:35] with people on the ground. I mean, I was
[00:05:37] with uh my colleague Steve. He's a an
[00:05:40] independent photographer. And I mean, we
[00:05:42] were walking right in front of LAPD. Um
[00:05:45] and he was just like recording like
[00:05:47] zooming in on us. And you know, I was
[00:05:49] like, "Steve, put your mask on if you
[00:05:51] don't want whatever comes after this,
[00:05:53] you know, to be documented." Like just
[00:05:55] as far as like his face in that fa these
[00:05:58] facial recognition programs um that
[00:06:00] we're, you know, seeing more about uh
[00:06:02] you know, in the news. But we definitely
[00:06:04] saw so many LAPD officers recording with
[00:06:07] their phones and it's not their personal
[00:06:09] phone. It's I want to say it's an issued
[00:06:10] phone because they all look the same.
[00:06:12] All of them are like these black with
[00:06:14] like these like black iPhones with like
[00:06:16] these military, you know, grade cases
[00:06:19] and they're real.
[00:06:20] Oh yeah, they they all have the same
[00:06:21] cases. So they're definitely
[00:06:24] for sure.
[00:06:25] Yeah. So, we're going to get into all
[00:06:27] this and talk about the history and
[00:06:29] stuff, but unfortunately for y'all, uh,
[00:06:31] I have to do a monologue because I'm
[00:06:33] told that every episode needs to have
[00:06:35] like a primer that we can cut from it.
[00:06:37] So, I'm going to yap at you for like
[00:06:39] four minutes to kind of go through a
[00:06:41] brief history for the layman about how
[00:06:42] all this works and then we're going to
[00:06:44] just dive into it. So, apologies. It
[00:06:47] will not be as bad as Hakeem Jeff
[00:06:49] yapping in front of the Senate for nine
[00:06:50] hours with his baseball bat picture, you
[00:06:53] know, which was giving like big big
[00:06:56] divorced dad energy. So, let's strap in,
[00:07:01] y'all. So,
[00:07:02] um, one second. So, y'all may be
[00:07:06] tracking the slightly breaking story
[00:07:08] that the Department of Homeland Security
[00:07:10] put together a tiger team to scrutinize
[00:07:13] student protesters earlier this year. A
[00:07:14] tiger team is technically a temporary
[00:07:17] group of experts to rapidly address a
[00:07:19] critical problem or opportunity within
[00:07:21] an organization. They are typically
[00:07:23] cross-functional, bringing together
[00:07:25] specialists from different areas to
[00:07:26] leverage diverse perspectives and
[00:07:28] expertise. This approach in theory
[00:07:31] allows for faster decision-making and
[00:07:32] innovative solutions compared to
[00:07:34] traditional siloed teams. So apparently
[00:07:37] most of what this band of experts, this
[00:07:39] Tiger team did was investigate 500 names
[00:07:42] high lit by the Canary Mission, a
[00:07:44] secretive but clearly non-academic
[00:07:47] political organization that uses its
[00:07:49] website to engage in defamatory attacks
[00:07:52] against college students who advocate
[00:07:53] for Palestinian rights and against
[00:07:55] faculty who teach or speak publicly
[00:07:57] about the Israeli Palestinian conflict.
[00:07:59] And yesterday, the first night amendment
[00:08:01] in uh institute at Columbia University
[00:08:04] issued a press statement yesterday that
[00:08:07] uh yes, this Tiger team was told to
[00:08:10] investigate uh lists by the Canary
[00:08:13] Mission. So, a senior immigrations
[00:08:15] officer uh official testified that the
[00:08:17] agency assembled a team in early 2025 to
[00:08:21] investigate student program uh testers.
[00:08:23] This team, referred to internally as the
[00:08:24] Tiger Team, rapidly compiled over 100
[00:08:26] reports based on a list of 5,000 people.
[00:08:29] The official Peter Hatch helps lead an
[00:08:31] office within ISIS's Homeland Security
[00:08:33] Investigations Division that compiles
[00:08:36] background reports on targets of the
[00:08:38] AY's in investigations. He was
[00:08:40] questioned by Alexandria Colon of Sher
[00:08:43] Traumante LLP. Tomorrow's expected
[00:08:45] witness, which is today, uh, is Peter
[00:08:47] Hatch, a DHS official who is the
[00:08:49] assistant director of the Office of
[00:08:51] Intelligence and Homeland Security, and
[00:08:53] Amy Greer, a lawyer for Mahmood Khalil,
[00:08:56] who was targeted through this Tiger Team
[00:08:58] program along with other activists in
[00:09:00] the university space. But the connection
[00:09:03] uh, between ICE and uh, pro-Israel
[00:09:07] nonprofits goes way back to his
[00:09:09] foundation. But I wanted to highlight
[00:09:10] one article by deadly exchange.org. or
[00:09:14] uh pulling that up real quick.
[00:09:19] Um
[00:09:21] yeah,
[00:09:23] entitled, it was from 2018. It was
[00:09:25] entitled Deputy Director of ICE was sent
[00:09:27] by the ADL, Anti-Defamation League for
[00:09:30] training with the Israeli military. and
[00:09:32] it asked the fundamental question, why
[00:09:34] does the ADL, an anti-free speech
[00:09:36] Zionist nonprofit here in America,
[00:09:38] protect Trump's family separation
[00:09:40] policies while also sending ICE officers
[00:09:43] for training in Israel? Well, of course,
[00:09:45] Jewish Voice for Peace had determined
[00:09:47] that three years ago, this as of 2018,
[00:09:50] Peter Edge, who was promoted to acting
[00:09:52] deputy director of ICE under President
[00:09:54] Trump, attended a training in Israel as
[00:09:57] part of the quote ADL's 2015 National
[00:10:01] Counterterrorism Institute seminar
[00:10:03] offered under the guise of
[00:10:04] counterterrorism. The real world results
[00:10:06] of these trips have been Israel and US
[00:10:08] officials sharing quote worst practices,
[00:10:12] deportation and detention, shoot tokill
[00:10:14] policies, massive spying and
[00:10:16] surveillance that are also the go-to
[00:10:18] policies of agencies like ICE. But all
[00:10:22] right, but in today's episode
[00:10:26] uh we want to address the spying and
[00:10:28] surveillance exchange. On October 1st,
[00:10:30] 2024, Wire magazine published an
[00:10:32] article, ICE signs $2 million contract
[00:10:35] with spyware maker Paragon Solutions.
[00:10:37] And while the contract may seem small in
[00:10:40] US governmental defense spending, the
[00:10:42] one-year contract between the company's
[00:10:43] US subsidi subsidiary in Virginia and
[00:10:46] ISIS Homeland Security Investigations
[00:10:48] division was signed on September 27th of
[00:10:51] last year and covers a quote fully
[00:10:54] configured proprietary solution
[00:10:56] including license, hardware, warranty,
[00:10:58] maintenance, and training. Ah, yes.
[00:11:01] Paying for software licenses to the
[00:11:03] company notorious for quote hacking
[00:11:05] WhatsApp and Signal, which is Paragon
[00:11:07] Solutions. And Paragon's product will
[00:11:09] also likely get spyware critics and
[00:11:11] surveillance experts alike.
[00:11:12] Rubbernecking it claims to give police
[00:11:14] the power to remotely break into
[00:11:16] encrypted instant messaging
[00:11:18] communications, whether that's WhatsApp,
[00:11:20] Signal, Facebook Messenger, Gmail,
[00:11:22] Instagram. The industry sources have
[00:11:24] said to Wired magazine, one spyware uh
[00:11:27] exec said it also promises to get a
[00:11:30] longer lasting access to advice even
[00:11:32] when it's rebooted. But the main thing
[00:11:34] here is to look at Paragon's founders.
[00:11:36] Ahoud Barack, former Israeli prime
[00:11:38] minister and co-founder. Ehood Sherosen,
[00:11:41] former commander of Unit 8200 and
[00:11:44] co-founder. Idan Nurik, co-founder also
[00:11:48] with Unit 8200. Igor uh Bogudlov. Yeah,
[00:11:52] Bugurov uh also unit 8200. Lead Abraham
[00:11:56] also unit 8200. Those are all the
[00:11:58] founders uh of this unit that's now
[00:12:00] contracting with ICE and giving them
[00:12:01] software. So 82 uh unit 8200 being a
[00:12:05] prominent intelligence unit within the
[00:12:07] Israeli intelligence corps which is part
[00:12:08] of the IDF often compared to the United
[00:12:11] States National Security Agency. It's
[00:12:13] considered by some to be among the
[00:12:14] foremost technical intelligence agencies
[00:12:16] globally. And once you're in it and go
[00:12:19] into the tech sector, you never leave
[00:12:21] it. All of these programs they license
[00:12:24] to US federal agencies are rife with
[00:12:26] exploitable backdoors. So, Israeli
[00:12:28] intelligence can most likely get access
[00:12:30] to whatever ICE has, NYPD has, etc. At
[00:12:33] least with regards to data collected by
[00:12:35] their specific software, but this is
[00:12:38] only one instance in one company. One
[00:12:40] last example before I shut up is Zen
[00:12:42] City. like Zen City. It's meant to keep
[00:12:45] your city zen in the population zed out
[00:12:49] and not engaging with anything. And it's
[00:12:52] an Israeli data analysis firm serving
[00:12:54] agencies across the US. Uh Zen City
[00:12:57] markets itself as a less invasive
[00:12:59] alternative to some social, you know,
[00:13:02] media monitoring tools as it primarily
[00:13:04] provides aggregate data and explicitly
[00:13:07] prohibits targeted surveillances of
[00:13:09] protests. Sure. Um, cities like Phoenix,
[00:13:12] New Orleans, Pittsburgh have uh stated
[00:13:14] they use Zen City to analyze public
[00:13:17] sentiment and combat misinformation,
[00:13:20] anti-government information. So, let's
[00:13:22] just, you know, as as an easy easy open-
[00:13:25] source exercise, let's go to the
[00:13:27] LinkedIn of co-founder Al Feder Levy.
[00:13:31] And if we pull up his stuff, here we go.
[00:13:34] Urban innovation geek, CEO at Zen City.
[00:13:38] Let's just scroll down to education
[00:13:42] uh and skills recommendations
[00:13:44] publications and courses. IDF officer
[00:13:47] course associated with ID Israeli
[00:13:50] defense forces and intelligence officers
[00:13:52] advanced training associated with
[00:13:54] Israeli Defense Forces. Uh yeah, so if
[00:13:57] you literally go through all of these
[00:13:59] Israel American defense contractors,
[00:14:01] it's literally the same story. They're
[00:14:03] all part of these same organizations and
[00:14:05] they're actively uh working with our
[00:14:08] intelligence service and law enforcement
[00:14:10] services, you know, which are supposed
[00:14:11] to be completely domestic, but of course
[00:14:12] they're connected to this foreign
[00:14:14] entity. So any any commentary you guys
[00:14:16] want to give on that would be
[00:14:18] appreciated.
[00:14:19] Well, we've known for a really long time
[00:14:22] that uh you know there was a
[00:14:24] collaboration between LAPD, NYPD, just
[00:14:27] uh you know, domestic forces in general
[00:14:30] being trained by the IDF. Um because we
[00:14:33] know that for several years the NYPD was
[00:14:37] trained by Israeli forces and then it
[00:14:39] came out that they had uh run like a
[00:14:41] demographics unit which used like
[00:14:44] predatory
[00:14:46] racist um and uh violation of of you
[00:14:50] know personal security uh methods to
[00:14:53] target Muslims and people that they uh
[00:14:56] thought were suspicious in general. um
[00:14:59] in return for learning how to like a
[00:15:02] data collection method. I I read a data
[00:15:05] collection method for them to use. Um
[00:15:07] and so then we've also seen the trend
[00:15:09] continues where we have technology
[00:15:12] that's actively being used and tested on
[00:15:14] the Palestinians in Gaza and then in
[00:15:17] turn we develop this, we ramp it up and
[00:15:19] then we bring it back to the United
[00:15:20] States. And so I think it's this just
[00:15:22] this trend of uh collaboration
[00:15:26] um and it just perpetuates this really
[00:15:29] you know this really damaging damaging
[00:15:33] cycle and it's eroding the trust uh you
[00:15:35] know in America of Americans in the
[00:15:37] United States with you know the United
[00:15:39] States government in general. But of
[00:15:41] course this isn't a surprise to anybody.
[00:15:43] But it's really interesting just how
[00:15:46] ingrained we are and inshed with a
[00:15:48] foreign military that has nothing to do
[00:15:50] with the United States. Um, and that
[00:15:52] this has become so normalized.
[00:15:54] Right. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Yeah.
[00:15:56] Well, I just I was going to add to that
[00:15:58] that it has been happening for a very
[00:16:01] long time. But specifically what we are
[00:16:04] seeing here, I mean it's all laid out
[00:16:06] for us in a document published on
[00:16:08] October 7, 2024, Project Ether, uh,
[00:16:12] which was published by the Heritage
[00:16:13] Foundation, the most influential think
[00:16:15] tank over the Trump administration.
[00:16:17] everything from the anti-semitism
[00:16:19] so-called anti-semitism task force which
[00:16:21] just goes after um anti-Israel activists
[00:16:24] or people critical of Israel um to the
[00:16:28] deportations the attacks on freedom of
[00:16:30] speech in college campuses all of these
[00:16:32] bills that you see being put through to
[00:16:34] uh for today the Trump administration
[00:16:37] since day one has been enacting this
[00:16:39] strategy which was set forth last year
[00:16:42] so it was sitting there they'd obviously
[00:16:44] worked on this over time um And this is
[00:16:47] something that now we are seeing
[00:16:49] implemented and the Trump administration
[00:16:52] was funded, the campaign was funded by a
[00:16:54] who's who of uh Zionist billionaires
[00:16:57] essentially uh including of course
[00:17:00] Miriam Adlesen, Israel's richest
[00:17:02] billionaire uh and her according to
[00:17:05] Harat's newspaper, one of Israel's uh
[00:17:08] top newspapers, not the most read but
[00:17:10] one of the most trusted uh that they
[00:17:12] have. uh the quit proquo was that uh he
[00:17:16] would receive $und00 million in
[00:17:19] financing for his campaign so that he
[00:17:21] would allow the annexation of the West
[00:17:24] Bank and basically everything Israel
[00:17:26] wants at this point the Trump
[00:17:28] administration is doing for them. Uh
[00:17:30] they're not holding back. Uh, and I
[00:17:33] would encourage everyone to look at this
[00:17:35] document. Uh, because it's
[00:17:38] like I I think that everything you need
[00:17:39] to know about what's happening right now
[00:17:41] is in this document if you want.
[00:17:42] No, it it's absolutely true. And let's
[00:17:45] just take a quick look at it for the for
[00:17:47] the audience now. So, we know what the
[00:17:49] Heritage Foundation is. It's probably
[00:17:50] the most uh influential right-wing think
[00:17:53] tank and policy crafter uh aligned with
[00:17:56] the Trump administration. We know that,
[00:17:57] you know, Tom Hman, uh, the forter
[00:18:00] former border zar under Obama and my
[00:18:02] favorite hire of Obama is now a massive
[00:18:05] figure within the Heritage Foundation as
[00:18:07] well as like Steven Miller, the brains
[00:18:10] behind the messaging of the Trump
[00:18:11] administration, the policy of Trump
[00:18:13] administration. So, Project Esther, a
[00:18:16] national strategy to combat
[00:18:18] anti-semitism. I'm just going to give a
[00:18:19] couple takeaways uh because they're
[00:18:21] trying to globalize the fight against
[00:18:23] any sort of disscent. So, America's,
[00:18:26] starting with the summary, America's
[00:18:28] virolently anti-Israel, anti-Zionist,
[00:18:30] and anti-American,
[00:18:32] putting it all on one thing,
[00:18:34] pro-Palestinian movement is part of a
[00:18:36] global Hamas support network, HSN, that
[00:18:40] is trying to compel the US government to
[00:18:42] abandon its long-standing support for
[00:18:44] Israel. Uh, blah blah blah. Key
[00:18:46] takeaways, America's virilently
[00:18:49] anti-Israel Zionist and anti-America is
[00:18:51] part of the Yeah. global Hamas support
[00:18:53] network. But here's in here's what where
[00:18:56] it gets really funny. Supported by
[00:18:57] activists and funders dedicated to
[00:19:00] destroying capitalism and democracy, the
[00:19:03] Hamas Support Network benefits from the
[00:19:06] support and training of America's
[00:19:07] overseas enemy. Um,
[00:19:10] yeah. Basically, if you really get into
[00:19:13] this, it's trying to conflate like all
[00:19:15] these different things like um
[00:19:17] anti-Israel sentiment, uh, border policy
[00:19:20] and immigration policy, and like
[00:19:23] anti-communist, antisocialist policy as
[00:19:25] well. It's it's crazy. They they've all
[00:19:27] meshed it into one. And the dangerous
[00:19:30] thing here is as well that they can just
[00:19:32] put out an allegation like they did did
[00:19:34] against Mahmud Khalil and you know
[00:19:37] associate that person with Hamas or
[00:19:40] whatever other organization because of
[00:19:42] course they will expand this. It's not
[00:19:44] just going to be Hamas. Um they will
[00:19:47] carry this on um and target others too.
[00:19:50] Uh perhaps not even involved in the pro
[00:19:53] Palestinian movement. They can just make
[00:19:56] the accusation and then there you go.
[00:19:57] you can deport somebody. Um, and we've
[00:20:00] seen that they are prioritizing uh, you
[00:20:03] know, deporting people who are uh,
[00:20:06] specifically under their definition, you
[00:20:08] know, anti-semitic or publishing or
[00:20:12] motivated by anti-semitism. the head of
[00:20:15] this anti-semitism task force uh
[00:20:18] essentially came out and said that they
[00:20:20] want to stop people with anti-semitic
[00:20:23] mindsets from entering the United
[00:20:25] States, whatever that means. It's all
[00:20:28] very vague language. Um they are tying a
[00:20:31] million things together. So you've tied
[00:20:33] somebody who's uh a so-called Islamic
[00:20:36] extremist with somebody who is a
[00:20:38] socialist or a communist. It's basically
[00:20:41] a broad brush of everything that they
[00:20:42] don't like. And then the accusation
[00:20:45] comes and it's sort of like shoot first,
[00:20:47] ask questions later. Um, and that's the
[00:20:49] dangerous precedent that's been set
[00:20:51] here. And as we saw that this this is
[00:20:54] the language of the Heritage Foundation,
[00:20:56] but it now it's also the language of all
[00:20:58] the other think tanks as well. Uh, if
[00:21:00] you look at the way that they're talking
[00:21:01] about this or they have been speaking
[00:21:03] about this uh since uh earlier in 2024,
[00:21:08] they are painting a broad brush because
[00:21:10] they don't have an argument. And when
[00:21:11] you've lost the argument and you don't
[00:21:13] actually have any evidence to present,
[00:21:15] uh you end up just having to make these
[00:21:17] very general statements to smear people.
[00:21:20] And you spoke about the Canary uh
[00:21:23] mission a moment ago when they put out
[00:21:26] uh their brief on Mahm Khalil. Uh
[00:21:30] they said that he's associated with
[00:21:32] Hamas or he's supported Hamas. And the
[00:21:34] one thing that they could find uh of him
[00:21:38] supposedly supporting Hamas was there
[00:21:40] was a video of him in a protest where
[00:21:42] someone was chanting from the river to
[00:21:44] the sea. And they said this is something
[00:21:47] that Khaled Mash, one of the former
[00:21:50] leaders of Hamas had uh infamously said
[00:21:53] and it means to push the Jews into the
[00:21:55] sea. And that was their connection that
[00:21:57] they were trying to make between him and
[00:22:00] Hamas. Nothing else. They couldn't find
[00:22:02] anything else. I looked through it. I
[00:22:04] thought, okay, maybe, you know, he's
[00:22:05] going to like have something a little
[00:22:07] bit incriminating on him that they're
[00:22:09] going to weaponize and use. There's
[00:22:10] literally nothing. And they wrote this
[00:22:12] big long brief trying to point out
[00:22:15] something, but they couldn't find a
[00:22:16] connection. So, it's just, well, this
[00:22:18] phrase was said by this guy and he's
[00:22:21] Hamas, so therefore, everyone's Hamas.
[00:22:23] Um and the danger another dangerous
[00:22:25] thing is they're actually trying and
[00:22:27] this is uh something that uh a few of my
[00:22:30] sources have uh told me that people
[00:22:32] they're trying to now lure certain
[00:22:35] people into the United States that they
[00:22:38] weren't allowing to come into the US
[00:22:40] before so they can specifically arrest
[00:22:42] them. Um so it's a very dangerous
[00:22:46] precedent that has been set and they
[00:22:48] continue to push with this and it's not
[00:22:50] just you know Canary mission. Um it's
[00:22:53] these uh ultraionist kahanist
[00:22:56] organizations as well which are uh
[00:22:58] pushing this very violent organizations
[00:23:01] which are pushing this uh propaganda as
[00:23:04] well and working with the Trump
[00:23:05] administration openly.
[00:23:06] Yeah,
[00:23:07] I completely agree with you and
[00:23:09] especially when it comes to the the
[00:23:11] Canary mission because allowing allowing
[00:23:14] vague practices basically enables them
[00:23:17] to just generalize to sweep us all up in
[00:23:20] the masses. And so if you can kind of
[00:23:22] defend this on the basis that you can
[00:23:24] take that 1% of evidence like you said
[00:23:26] declare that you feel unsafe then it
[00:23:28] makes it entirely easier um you know to
[00:23:31] to further your point. So I mean the
[00:23:34] Canary mission I agree with you is just
[00:23:36] so controversial because it's like this
[00:23:39] anonymous website that's that's used to
[00:23:42] to blacklist people and essentially the
[00:23:44] United States government is supposed to
[00:23:46] vet information independently. We're not
[00:23:48] supposed to launder it from these
[00:23:50] anonymous blacklist organizations that
[00:23:53] make up rules for us. And I think
[00:23:55] essentially what that allows the United
[00:23:57] States government to do is push off
[00:23:59] responsibility from this. We let the
[00:24:01] other side make the rules for us and
[00:24:03] then we have to obey them, which is an,
[00:24:05] you know, is an erosion of democracy, is
[00:24:07] an erosion of trust, you know, like I
[00:24:09] said, in the United States. And so these
[00:24:11] problems just layer on top of each
[00:24:12] other.
[00:24:13] Yeah. And it's going to, you know, the
[00:24:15] the interesting thing uh for me uh with
[00:24:18] a background in counterterrorism was
[00:24:20] there was kind of like a reason we never
[00:24:22] at least when I was in the logic behind
[00:24:24] it was, you know, when we were like
[00:24:26] preparing for like counter cartel
[00:24:28] operations or training for them. Uh I
[00:24:31] was asking like why why weren't when I
[00:24:33] was like in my early 20s, why aren't
[00:24:34] these, you know, considered Mexican
[00:24:36] cartels or South American cartels like
[00:24:38] considered terrorist organizations?
[00:24:41] uh because they objectively perform acts
[00:24:44] of terror. You know, they kill
[00:24:45] government officials and people uh
[00:24:47] civilians in order to affect a political
[00:24:48] goal. That kind of fits in with the
[00:24:50] definition, at least the US definition
[00:24:52] of terrorism. But um yeah, there's a lot
[00:24:55] of other consequences when you uh
[00:24:57] designate terrorist organizations within
[00:24:59] like one of your biggest trading
[00:25:00] partners and then it opens it up for
[00:25:02] like drone strikes within there. But
[00:25:03] like we're trying to see a conflation
[00:25:05] between, you know, these criminal
[00:25:08] migrants and pro Palestine protesters
[00:25:11] all get lumped under the same terrorist
[00:25:13] uh narrative because, you know, MS-13
[00:25:16] and Trend Aagua are now foreign
[00:25:18] terrorist organizations. We're
[00:25:19] supporting the Hamas global terrorist
[00:25:21] network as well. And it all comes down
[00:25:24] to this. This was from a couple days ago
[00:25:26] and it regards to national security
[00:25:28] threat and the denial of birthright
[00:25:31] citizenship. Democracy Now from a couple
[00:25:33] days ago.
[00:25:36] Wait, where is it? Where is it? Here we
[00:25:38] go.
[00:25:38] Justice department is now aggressively
[00:25:40] prioritizing efforts to strip
[00:25:42] naturalized US citizens of their
[00:25:44] citizenship. NPR's Jaclyn Dios reports
[00:25:47] the DOJ is focused on
[00:25:49] Oh, my bad. NPR
[00:25:51] cases where naturalized American
[00:25:53] citizens commit certain crimes. The new
[00:25:55] stance towards naturalized citizens who
[00:25:57] commit crimes is laid out in a memo from
[00:26:00] the Justice Department to its civil
[00:26:01] division employees. Those crimes could
[00:26:04] include anything from national security
[00:26:06] incidents to cases of fraud. According
[00:26:08] to the memo, according to 2023 data, 25
[00:26:11] million immigrants are naturalized US
[00:26:14] citizens. Denaturalization has existed
[00:26:16] for decades and was used widely to
[00:26:18] deport citizens accused of being
[00:26:20] communists during the 1950s. Some
[00:26:23] immigration attorneys have expressed
[00:26:25] concerns over this expanded
[00:26:27] denaturalization effort, questioning
[00:26:29] whether it is constitutional in how the
[00:26:32] families of naturalized citizens would
[00:26:33] be impacted.
[00:26:35] Yeah. And I I do think that's abs we are
[00:26:36] entering a new age of McCarthyism,
[00:26:38] except it's expanding beyond communism
[00:26:40] to anything that challenges national
[00:26:42] security, which is a completely nebulous
[00:26:44] term, which me eventually, if we play
[00:26:46] this out and go down the pipeline to the
[00:26:48] worst case scenario. challenging
[00:26:49] national security means you're an enemy
[00:26:51] of the state and everyone goes to the
[00:26:53] goolog.
[00:26:55] Well, as well like the the thing when
[00:26:57] we're looking at this, it mentioned
[00:26:59] going back to the 1950s, but if you look
[00:27:01] at specifically this uh doctrine that
[00:27:04] the United States and the collective
[00:27:05] west adopted during the cold war um and
[00:27:09] really with Henry Kissinger leading the
[00:27:11] charge uh with we don't negotiate with
[00:27:14] terrorists and you know all these
[00:27:15] terrorist designations and labels uh of
[00:27:19] course they interlink the two issues of
[00:27:21] well we don't want the PLO for instance
[00:27:23] which is just uh risen up and is taking
[00:27:26] hold in the Middle East and the Arab
[00:27:28] world to somehow replicate what we see
[00:27:31] in Vietnam. Um, and so what they did
[00:27:35] essentially by introducing these
[00:27:37] terrorist designations and uh labeling
[00:27:39] everybody a terrorist uh or a terrorist
[00:27:42] organization is essentially that you
[00:27:44] shut down discussions with those groups.
[00:27:46] But also what you do is you collectively
[00:27:48] punish a population which we see
[00:27:50] carrying on today. For instance, with
[00:27:52] the designation of Ansar law in Yemen as
[00:27:54] a terrorist organization. You'll notice
[00:27:56] that the Biden administration when they
[00:27:58] put them back on one of their terrorist
[00:28:00] lists and and designated them a
[00:28:02] terrorist organization, they gave them a
[00:28:04] lesser designation because of course
[00:28:06] you're still calling them terrorists,
[00:28:08] but you're not going to block, for
[00:28:11] instance, uh humanitarian aid
[00:28:13] organizations from working in SA. uh and
[00:28:16] because they're going to have to deal
[00:28:18] with Ansar law which is the government
[00:28:21] there uh which operates a government
[00:28:23] over the vast majority of the Yemeni
[00:28:26] population. But then when Trump came in
[00:28:28] he uh issued a harsher terrorist
[00:28:31] designation which now collectively
[00:28:33] punishes the people in Yemen uh because
[00:28:36] humanitarian aid organizations the UN
[00:28:38] it's difficult to go and do their work
[00:28:41] uh because they can easily get sanctions
[00:28:43] slapped on them. they can be accused of
[00:28:46] collaborating with a terrorist
[00:28:48] organization. So it makes things very
[00:28:50] very difficult and it also stifles
[00:28:52] political movements and progress as
[00:28:54] well. In the case of Palestine uh where
[00:28:57] it's been weaponized perhaps uh in the
[00:29:01] most pernitious way uh especially
[00:29:03] recently every single Palestinian
[00:29:06] political party is a terrorist
[00:29:09] organization in the United States.
[00:29:10] Essentially the only exception they give
[00:29:13] is to the main the uh mainstream branch
[00:29:15] of fat which runs the Palestinian
[00:29:18] Authority in the West Bank. But Hamas is
[00:29:20] a terrorist organization. Palestinian
[00:29:22] Islamic jihad is a terrorist
[00:29:23] organization. They're of course Islamic
[00:29:24] groups. But then you have nationalist
[00:29:26] groups that are prescribed as terrorist
[00:29:28] organizations. You have the likes of the
[00:29:30] PFLP and the DFLP which are Marxist
[00:29:32] groups. They're also terrorist
[00:29:34] organizations. And then when you have
[00:29:35] the elections uh that took place back in
[00:29:38] 2006 and Hamas won in a landslide, the
[00:29:41] United States and the UK and the EU,
[00:29:44] well the UK was part of the EU back then
[00:29:46] all instantly uh applied sanctions
[00:29:49] because again we don't talk to
[00:29:51] terrorists and terrorists have just won
[00:29:52] the election. So it doesn't matter that
[00:29:54] it's a free and fair election. We're
[00:29:56] against them because they're terrorists.
[00:29:57] And like you said, you could apply a
[00:29:59] terrorist label to basically anybody you
[00:30:01] want. Any organization,
[00:30:03] uh, any person that commits a violent
[00:30:05] crime, you could in theory call them a
[00:30:08] terrorist because what is the actual
[00:30:10] definition of terrorism really,
[00:30:13] terrorism is people in the Middle East
[00:30:15] doing things that we don't like. That's
[00:30:17] what terrorism is. There's no context
[00:30:19] behind it. And that's why you can rope
[00:30:21] in an organization likeah in uh southern
[00:30:24] Lebanon and a group like
[00:30:28] or dash and they're the same they're the
[00:30:31] same thing under this designation. And
[00:30:33] now in the UK as well because it's such
[00:30:36] a politicized term uh and its
[00:30:38] application is so broad. Palestine
[00:30:40] Action is now a terrorist organization
[00:30:42] for spraying red paint on weapons uh
[00:30:45] manufactured uh buildings or or
[00:30:48] factories. Uh so this designation of
[00:30:52] these designations the descriptions of
[00:30:55] what they call terrorists and terror uh
[00:30:57] terrorism is something that has long
[00:30:59] been weaponized. It does come from back
[00:31:02] in uh during the days of the cold war.
[00:31:04] Um and it is linked between now their
[00:31:07] enemy are Muslims and uh Islamic
[00:31:10] resistance groups in the Middle East but
[00:31:12] you know there was a large period of the
[00:31:14] history here where the main enemy were
[00:31:16] socialist groups and communists and so
[00:31:19] they see this as a shared struggle
[00:31:21] because both groups uh and movements
[00:31:25] have learned from each other and have
[00:31:27] taken things from each other. Um
[00:31:29] ultimately what these are these
[00:31:31] movements which they call terrorist
[00:31:33] organizations often um in in such
[00:31:36] circumstances are groups which are
[00:31:39] resisting tyranny occupation
[00:31:42] um imperialism and they want to have
[00:31:45] independence and sovereignty and so
[00:31:48] again it's just a weaponization of this
[00:31:50] term. I think it's a ridiculous term to
[00:31:52] apply politically, especially now as in
[00:31:54] Syria, you have Ahmed Shah, formerly Abu
[00:31:57] Muhammad al- Julani, who was a commander
[00:32:00] of Dish and uh he was wanted by the US.
[00:32:04] He was a terrorist and now he's the
[00:32:06] West's best friend. He's past.
[00:32:09] Yeah. Yeah. He wasn't just uh wanted by
[00:32:12] the US, he was actually detained by US
[00:32:14] forces for a while and then released.
[00:32:17] Whoops. Um, and then and of course I I
[00:32:20] saw Jalissa's commentary on how at the
[00:32:23] same time uh Franchesca Albanz, the UN
[00:32:26] special repo for Palestine is getting
[00:32:28] hit. Wait, she's getting hit with
[00:32:29] sanctions now for like supporting
[00:32:31] terrorism.
[00:32:32] She's getting slapped with sanctions.
[00:32:34] Um, as well as the chief prosecutor of
[00:32:38] the ICC who was also hit with sanctions
[00:32:40] in May. Um, and it's because they're
[00:32:43] scared. And I I was actually recording a
[00:32:45] video on it before. They're scared. And
[00:32:47] a I see a lot of people say like, well,
[00:32:50] Israel isn't a signatory of the Rome
[00:32:52] Statute. Palestine is. And technically,
[00:32:55] they can go into Palestine and
[00:32:56] investigate crimes committed and per
[00:32:58] perpetrated by Israel. And then also
[00:33:01] that links to the United States because
[00:33:02] we aid in AET financially and
[00:33:04] materially, the genocide and so it's all
[00:33:07] tied in. They are scared. Like this
[00:33:08] isn't just like a big power move like gh
[00:33:11] like it's no big deal. If you have
[00:33:12] nothing to hide, you have nothing to
[00:33:14] fear. They have everything to fear. and
[00:33:16] it's accountability. Um, you know,
[00:33:18] Robert, to piggyback off of you, I
[00:33:20] completely a agree and I said this in
[00:33:22] another show a couple weeks ago that if
[00:33:24] the United States can, you know, paint
[00:33:26] the Middle East as a hotbed of
[00:33:27] extremism, it pretty much justifies
[00:33:29] Western intervention or creating these
[00:33:31] rules defining what terrorism is,
[00:33:34] slapping it and uh propagandizing it to
[00:33:36] the entire world so that everybody buys
[00:33:38] our narrative. Um, and then it's just
[00:33:40] this really vicious cycle. Um, and so
[00:33:43] yeah, I would I would completely agree
[00:33:44] with you.
[00:33:45] Yeah. And I I do like the point uh that
[00:33:48] they are scared because they're scared.
[00:33:50] That's why they wear the masks. That's
[00:33:52] why um DHS uh Department of Homeland
[00:33:56] Security whines on Twitter every day
[00:34:00] posting stuff like this.
[00:34:05] Hang on, let me add it. All right. We're
[00:34:08] We're seeing burning ICE vehicles,
[00:34:10] burning American flags. Sounds like a
[00:34:13] fun uh punk show afterparty. They say uh
[00:34:16] restore law and order now. ICE tip line.
[00:34:19] And if you keep um you know scrolling
[00:34:22] down and scrolling down, they basically
[00:34:24] are whining that people are calling uh
[00:34:27] heroic ICE officers uh the Gestapo
[00:34:31] and yeah they're they're clearly very
[00:34:32] terrified because you know there aren't
[00:34:33] enough of them. So when we look at like
[00:34:35] these predict predicting uh predictive
[00:34:37] policing models by like Palunteer that's
[00:34:39] also of course uh has developed AI
[00:34:42] targeting algorithms based off of
[00:34:45] where's daddy functions in Gaza. Uh and
[00:34:49] they're also being notoriously
[00:34:51] controversial for their predictive
[00:34:53] policing algorithms that are used in
[00:34:54] like New Orleans and stuff. Like the
[00:34:56] reason that the national database plan
[00:34:58] is going ahead is because these uh
[00:35:00] predictive policing models with all your
[00:35:02] information and stuff and all your like
[00:35:04] bank accounts so they can correlate the
[00:35:06] data and see like where the low income
[00:35:08] areas are like where the what what is
[00:35:10] the financial distribution of like
[00:35:12] displaced climate refugees? Are they
[00:35:14] going to be like more prone to like
[00:35:16] descent because they have nothing left?
[00:35:18] Do we need to allocate more police um
[00:35:21] officers to that demographic in that
[00:35:23] region? so on so forth. And what it is,
[00:35:25] it's a force multiplier. Like mobility
[00:35:28] in warfare is a force multiplier. Being
[00:35:31] able to like move really fast and do two
[00:35:34] operations a night instead of just one.
[00:35:36] It basically increases the presence on
[00:35:39] the ground of soldiers or law
[00:35:40] enforcement officers without actually
[00:35:42] having more of them because there aren't
[00:35:44] enough. Like people are freaking out. Um
[00:35:46] all these reactionary liberals being
[00:35:49] like, "You should have voted for Harris
[00:35:50] because now there's going to be a
[00:35:51] hundred thousand new ICE officers." It's
[00:35:53] like from where where are they coming
[00:35:55] from? Like the a lot of these plans that
[00:35:57] they have in place just aren't
[00:35:58] achievable. Like they are getting rolled
[00:36:00] up
[00:36:02] and completely losing a low grade
[00:36:05] counterinsurgency in LA and that's just
[00:36:08] one city. So I mean they are scared and
[00:36:11] they're deceptively weak and there is a
[00:36:15] lot to freak out about obviously. Um so
[00:36:17] I I wanted to move to like detention
[00:36:19] facilities. I wanted to talk about
[00:36:20] Alligator Alcatraz here and then move to
[00:36:23] the the Gaza immigration plan because
[00:36:25] again governments learn from each other
[00:36:27] and they're both connected. Now I will
[00:36:29] say that the US carceral system is of
[00:36:32] course very different from the Israeli
[00:36:34] one. The Israeli one way worse um in
[00:36:38] some ways obviously they don't have like
[00:36:40] the same detention standards. We're we
[00:36:42] are trying to actively roll back our
[00:36:43] detention stand uh standards, but uh
[00:36:46] Israel the Israeli Supreme Court in 2009
[00:36:49] ruled that they can't have for-profit
[00:36:51] prisons. Our prisons are absolutely pro
[00:36:53] uh for profit. In 2005, all illegal
[00:36:58] immigrant arrests or detentions were
[00:37:00] held 25% were held in for-profit
[00:37:03] prisons. And Obama expanded that, Trump
[00:37:05] expanded that, Biden expanded that to
[00:37:08] 90%
[00:37:09] in his in the last administration. And
[00:37:11] now we're seeing alligator Alcatraz. And
[00:37:15] so, um, you're actually there in
[00:37:18] Florida. I assume that you're exposed to
[00:37:21] more like local news than we are on a
[00:37:23] national scale. Uh could you tell us
[00:37:25] like the status of what's going on over
[00:37:28] there?
[00:37:29] Right now, we're not hearing a ton of
[00:37:31] like what's coming in, what's going out.
[00:37:33] Uh I did hear some recordings that the
[00:37:37] conditions there are not great.
[00:37:41] Alligator Alcatraz was also constructed
[00:37:43] in 8 days. And so people have a lot of
[00:37:46] concerns about this in general. Like
[00:37:47] we're talking Florida experiences like
[00:37:51] several hurricanes a year at the
[00:37:53] category of three or four. And I was
[00:37:55] reading that alligator Alcatraz is only
[00:37:58] able to withstand a category 2. So I'm
[00:38:00] thinking also from security reasons they
[00:38:02] don't really care about the inmates at
[00:38:04] all considering let's look at Hurricane
[00:38:06] Katrina when the prisoners were detained
[00:38:08] and kept in or you know excuse me
[00:38:10] forgotten and neglected and left inside
[00:38:12] of the prison you know during Hurricane
[00:38:14] Katrina. What's going to happen this
[00:38:16] time? and especially the way that the
[00:38:18] United States uh the United States
[00:38:20] government speaks about um you know
[00:38:23] those that will be detained inside of
[00:38:26] Alligator Alcatraz. It's it's a threat
[00:38:28] and I do think that the goal is that
[00:38:31] they're either deported or they die. I
[00:38:33] mean, if we heard Caroline leave it, you
[00:38:35] know, I don't know if you guys heard her
[00:38:37] press conference briefing, she was like,
[00:38:40] you know, and what it's surrounded by is
[00:38:42] uh dangerous wildlife and swamp waters,
[00:38:44] so you can try escaping, but you know,
[00:38:47] like like something bad is going to
[00:38:48] happen. Um, it it's a really gross
[00:38:52] display of uh of power and I I mean what
[00:38:58] alligator Alcatraz I feel like is the
[00:39:01] step right before sending
[00:39:03] migrants to El Salvador um is kind of
[00:39:06] what I feel like they're constructing
[00:39:07] here. Well, you know, when when Boullle,
[00:39:10] the world's coolest the El Salvador and
[00:39:12] world's coolest dictator, uh, came to
[00:39:14] Washington, Trump said, you know, you're
[00:39:16] going to need to build like 10 more
[00:39:18] seats for all all the people we're going
[00:39:20] to send you. I was like,
[00:39:21] probably going to have a seat here. And
[00:39:23] that's kind of what we're seeing. And
[00:39:26] with Alligator Alcatraz, you know, it's
[00:39:28] its budget is now ballooning up to 600
[00:39:30] million apparently. And is it true it
[00:39:32] was used for FEMA funds? Because I find
[00:39:33] that really ironic because under the
[00:39:35] Obama administration, all these like
[00:39:37] right-wing conspiracy theorists were
[00:39:39] like Obama's going to put us into FEMA
[00:39:42] detention centers and stuff, right?
[00:39:43] Wasn't that
[00:39:44] I did I did read that actually and
[00:39:46] especially kind of coinciding with the
[00:39:48] timeline of what h what's going on now
[00:39:50] in Texas. I know you're there with the
[00:39:51] flash floods. Like they're like there
[00:39:53] goes our FEMA money going to Alcat
[00:39:55] alligator Alcatraz in Florida. I did
[00:39:57] read that though.
[00:39:58] Yeah. So anyways, we we have this
[00:40:01] ghastly expression of like state
[00:40:03] concentration camps and centers. Um
[00:40:05] obviously,
[00:40:07] you know, we've had this problem during
[00:40:08] Katrina where just inmates were left to
[00:40:10] die during natural disasters. I can
[00:40:13] definitely see that happening this uh
[00:40:15] hurricane season. Uh but I just wanted
[00:40:19] to to move over to our other little fun
[00:40:21] government uh in Israel. Uh they have
[00:40:25] another uh immigration policy, Robert,
[00:40:28] that's going to that they're going to
[00:40:29] try to affect in Gaza. Uh could you tell
[00:40:32] us a little bit about that?
[00:40:34] Well, obviously they've got a number of
[00:40:35] different schemes uh that they're trying
[00:40:38] to put into play with uh ethnically
[00:40:40] cleansing the population of the Gaza
[00:40:44] Strip. So far, and this is just my
[00:40:46] opinion, I don't think they're going to
[00:40:48] prove successful. Um because we can talk
[00:40:52] about all of the logistics of what they
[00:40:54] can do inside the Gaza Strip. They've
[00:40:57] consistently attempted to move different
[00:41:00] portions of the population into areas.
[00:41:03] Uh whether it would be uh the Moasi
[00:41:05] area, which was a small area to begin
[00:41:08] with and then it expanded and now Moasi
[00:41:11] is a whole big 10 city area um which
[00:41:14] they refer to um or all the way south to
[00:41:18] Rafa at the beginning. um they have not
[00:41:21] proven capable of forcing the people out
[00:41:24] and they can't win militarily on the
[00:41:26] ground either. And the big problem for
[00:41:28] them really with achieving these goals,
[00:41:31] which they set them forth all the time,
[00:41:32] there's a new one uh Israel cats, the
[00:41:35] Israeli uh defense minister have just
[00:41:38] put forth uh claiming that, you know,
[00:41:40] there's going to be this big scheme.
[00:41:42] They've set up this brand new corridor
[00:41:44] in the south and they want to intersect
[00:41:46] the Gaza Strip into smaller and smaller
[00:41:48] pieces of territory. And now what
[00:41:50] they're doing also with that um they've
[00:41:53] built essentially uh what could be
[00:41:56] called a concentration camp um in the
[00:42:00] west of uh Rafa but uh to the east of
[00:42:03] Raf they also have uh this militant
[00:42:06] group uh which now calls itself the
[00:42:09] popular forces I believe who are
[00:42:12] They're essentially uh a gang which was
[00:42:15] set up by the Israelis. They number I
[00:42:18] believe around 500 now. um who are led
[00:42:22] by criminals uh drug traffickers, people
[00:42:25] who were hardline salifists, formerly
[00:42:28] affiliated with uh you know the alphabet
[00:42:32] soup of uh militant organizations uh
[00:42:36] affiliated with al-Qaeda which Hamas has
[00:42:38] long been fighting and also some with
[00:42:41] links to dash like Yasar Abu Shab uh who
[00:42:44] currently heads the uh organization. Um,
[00:42:48] and essentially what they're doing after
[00:42:51] having looted aid, uh, then brought it
[00:42:54] to these warehouses under Israeli, uh,
[00:42:58] supervision essentially, uh, and
[00:43:00] protection, flooding it onto the black
[00:43:03] market, driving up prices and making a
[00:43:06] profit out of it. They've now styled
[00:43:08] themselves as a resistance force.
[00:43:11] They're also working on securing the aid
[00:43:14] transfers of the so-called Gaza
[00:43:16] Humanitarian Foundation which has uh
[00:43:19] multiple aid sites uh in the south um in
[00:43:23] the Rafa area and Kanunas around there.
[00:43:27] Um and so this ISIS linked gang
[00:43:31] essentially which was looting aid before
[00:43:34] and is backed by the Israeli government.
[00:43:36] It's armed by them. You'll see them
[00:43:38] wearing uh tactical vests supplied by
[00:43:40] the Israeli military. They're under
[00:43:42] Israeli protection and now they're being
[00:43:45] used to even fight Hamas and Jerusalem
[00:43:47] missions on the ground which they've
[00:43:48] failed dramatically in and got their
[00:43:50] heads literally blown off in some
[00:43:52] instances. Um they're working with this
[00:43:55] Gaza Humanitarian Foundation which Trump
[00:43:57] just put $30 million into. Um which is
[00:44:00] clearly an Israeli project. So this is
[00:44:03] something that they're working on. But
[00:44:05] again, if you're going to look at all of
[00:44:06] this and and there's a lot of uh
[00:44:08] schemes, there are so many plans,
[00:44:10] they've talked about settlements,
[00:44:12] they've talked about the uh different
[00:44:14] ways to do the ethnic cleansing.
[00:44:16] Ultimately, it boils down to will Egypt
[00:44:19] allow the Palestinian population to be
[00:44:22] forced across the border. And then you
[00:44:24] have to ask yourself the question, what
[00:44:26] happens to Egypt? And where else are
[00:44:28] they going to go? Are they going to go
[00:44:29] to Jordan? Because these are the obvious
[00:44:31] options. What are uh 1.8 8 million. They
[00:44:35] say no. That's supposed to be the
[00:44:37] population from 2.3 million before. Uh
[00:44:41] what are those people who've lost
[00:44:43] multiple family members? They've lost
[00:44:45] their brothers, their sisters, their
[00:44:47] mothers, their fathers, their children,
[00:44:49] etc. What are this these people who have
[00:44:52] been highly traumatized going to do when
[00:44:54] they arrive in Egypt or going to do when
[00:44:56] they arrive in Jordan? Are they going to
[00:44:58] shut up and just pretend like they
[00:45:00] weren't just ethnically cleansed? Are
[00:45:02] they going to stop uh being part of
[00:45:04] political movements? Are they going to
[00:45:06] pretend as if nothing just happened to
[00:45:08] them and that there wasn't a uh genocide
[00:45:10] committed against their people? No, of
[00:45:12] course not. They're going to continue to
[00:45:14] struggle uh for their homeland. And this
[00:45:16] is something the Egyptians and the
[00:45:18] Jordanians know very well and they don't
[00:45:20] want this because they know if they do
[00:45:22] have the Palestinian population from
[00:45:24] Gaza uh forced into their countries then
[00:45:27] what's going to happen is there is going
[00:45:29] to be resistance movements which
[00:45:30] eventually arise in both areas. the
[00:45:32] people will not stop resisting. And
[00:45:35] especially in Jordan, this is a terrible
[00:45:37] situation for the Israelis because
[00:45:39] essentially that whole entire population
[00:45:41] in Jordan is Palestinian.
[00:45:43] And so if a resistance forms inside
[00:45:46] Jordan that goes out of control of what
[00:45:48] the Jordanian regime can manage, this
[00:45:50] shares the largest land border with
[00:45:52] occupied Palestine and will represent
[00:45:54] the catastrophe. The Israelis surely,
[00:45:57] despite all of their propaganda and the
[00:46:00] theater they put on for their crazy
[00:46:03] domestic population, uh comprised of
[00:46:06] psychopaths who want to see ethnic
[00:46:08] cleansing and the mass murder of
[00:46:09] Palestinians per all of the polls. This
[00:46:11] is not my opinion. Um and there's no
[00:46:13] other way to describe them than than
[00:46:15] psychopaths at this point. When you say
[00:46:16] that you want to exterminate everybody
[00:46:19] in a city that you conquer, the vast
[00:46:21] preponderance of the Israeli population
[00:46:23] say that. um like they put on this
[00:46:26] theater for them and they talk about the
[00:46:28] settlements and they you know draw up
[00:46:30] these drafts, but they did the same
[00:46:32] thing in South Lebanon when they were
[00:46:34] invading South Lebanon. All these
[00:46:35] settler organizations had these big
[00:46:37] meetings in Tel Aviv and they put
[00:46:39] together all of these uh graphics um you
[00:46:43] know and they said, "Oh, we're going to
[00:46:44] put our our settlements, you know, uh in
[00:46:47] southern Lebanon." They're never going
[00:46:48] to put settlements in southern Lebanon.
[00:46:50] they want I think it's like 7% have
[00:46:52] returned back to areas like Kiryat
[00:46:54] Shimona along the Lebanese border area.
[00:46:57] Um so I don't think these plans are
[00:46:59] feasible but you know it it's just it it
[00:47:03] speaks to the depravity of the Israeli
[00:47:06] leadership and also the people that get
[00:47:08] on board with this as well that to do
[00:47:11] this.
[00:47:12] Yeah. And you know I'm just looking at
[00:47:14] parallels too. you know, we can see the
[00:47:16] the depravity of like the Israeli
[00:47:17] population, at least like the 82% of
[00:47:20] them that support this. It's probably
[00:47:22] higher, especially in the IDF. But you
[00:47:24] you also have people on, you know,
[00:47:25] across the pond over here in America
[00:47:28] like Laura Loomer saying, you know, that
[00:47:30] there are 65 million meals for
[00:47:32] alligators now, and that's the entire
[00:47:34] Hispanic population of the United
[00:47:35] States. And of course, people really
[00:47:37] like that. Of course, it's not as
[00:47:38] homogeneous here as it is in in Israel.
[00:47:41] But what I was what I find interesting
[00:47:43] about these two situations, the mass
[00:47:45] deportations here and the push for uh
[00:47:48] voluntary migrations in Palestine is
[00:47:51] it's both like two colonial powers
[00:47:53] basically implementing very similar
[00:47:56] operational plans, strategic plans that
[00:47:59] won't work because we have our own
[00:48:00] problem.
[00:48:01] It it's it's less of a problem for us
[00:48:03] about like where to put them, but
[00:48:06] there's just too many of them if you
[00:48:08] want to like demass deport everybody.
[00:48:11] Like Jalissa, you were just in LA um
[00:48:15] with ICE and of course they're targeting
[00:48:17] ICE as the the democratic bastion
[00:48:20] sanctuary city and the the cultural
[00:48:22] capital of like Hispanic immigrant
[00:48:24] America. Uh how effective were they?
[00:48:28] Not super effective.
[00:48:31] at all most of the time. And this is why
[00:48:33] they resort to really I think they
[00:48:35] understand this and this is why they
[00:48:36] resort to really aggressive tactics like
[00:48:40] right off the bat because essentially
[00:48:42] the pattern that we see is that these
[00:48:44] protesters peacefully assemble and I can
[00:48:46] say that I've been there now a
[00:48:48] cumulative 2 weeks okay right after that
[00:48:51] Saturday or that Friday where we saw the
[00:48:53] Whimo cars on fire and things like that.
[00:48:56] a cumulative two weeks spent in there
[00:48:57] and I mean going to like West Hollywood,
[00:48:59] East Hollywood, you know, the north and
[00:49:01] south, Los Angeles, in and out, is these
[00:49:04] protesters peacefully assemble and then
[00:49:07] immediately after it's declared unlawful
[00:49:09] and then they just start shooting and
[00:49:11] then they start throwing gas and then
[00:49:12] they put their gas masks and then they
[00:49:14] lunge at you and then they run and then
[00:49:15] they retreat. And so like they're
[00:49:17] constantly using these tactics because
[00:49:19] they realize uh I think because they're
[00:49:22] not successful and so they're
[00:49:23] immediately going from 0 to 100 and even
[00:49:26] then
[00:49:28] they last from like 8:00 a.m. until like
[00:49:30] midnight. I mean these people will these
[00:49:32] protesters will just keep going and keep
[00:49:34] going. Um and even then we've seen the
[00:49:37] presence of LAPD as well as the United
[00:49:41] States Marine Corps die down. Actually,
[00:49:45] that's what that's what I saw this time
[00:49:46] around, which would which would have
[00:49:48] been my second week. I was there last
[00:49:49] Monday to Saturday, is the presence has
[00:49:52] actually died down. And I spoke to some
[00:49:54] police officers um on the on 4th of
[00:49:57] July. And I spoke with them and I said,
[00:49:59] "Do you expect a presence much like we
[00:50:01] did on No Kings? Like what are you guys
[00:50:03] expecting for Fourth of July for this
[00:50:05] patriotic holiday in a state that is
[00:50:08] actively opposing everything patriotic,
[00:50:10] you know, that this government stands
[00:50:12] for?" and the United States as you know
[00:50:14] as it as it stands and they told me
[00:50:17] we're not prepared for that. we actually
[00:50:19] weren't really briefed on that and we we
[00:50:21] don't really know. And I asked multiple,
[00:50:23] you know, one of them told me, "Yeah,
[00:50:25] that we're we're kind of when we see
[00:50:27] protesters come with helmets and
[00:50:28] glasses, like we're kind of expecting
[00:50:30] something bad." But I asked multiple and
[00:50:32] they told me we don't we don't really
[00:50:34] know. We we're not like we're not
[00:50:36] prepared. A lot of them went home and
[00:50:38] this is what we're being told. So I
[00:50:40] don't think it's successful at all and
[00:50:42] they're definitely going to keep
[00:50:43] persisting which again when we talked
[00:50:46] about terrorism or you know anarchists
[00:50:48] you have to label people this way so
[00:50:50] that you can hit a wall you have to hit
[00:50:51] a wall because if you go beyond that
[00:50:53] wall you have to rationalize and try to
[00:50:55] understand and they don't want to do
[00:50:57] that. And so I think it's easier to
[00:50:59] classify these people as, you know,
[00:51:02] these like liberal immigrant Hamas
[00:51:05] sympathizers um because it makes it
[00:51:07] easier for LAPD to rationalize this that
[00:51:11] they're like fighting, you know,
[00:51:13] domestic anarchists and terrorists,
[00:51:15] right? You know, they have these
[00:51:16] exchange programs where they go over
[00:51:18] there and, you know, trade worst
[00:51:20] practices with shin shinbed and the IDF
[00:51:22] forces and stuff like that. Um I don't
[00:51:25] know. Do you do you do you see that
[00:51:26] playing in to their their tactics on the
[00:51:29] ground?
[00:51:30] Yeah, I mean besides it being written
[00:51:33] and documented that we send them it's a
[00:51:35] you know it's a transa it's a very
[00:51:37] transactional relationship and there's
[00:51:39] always a trade-off with it. I mean
[00:51:41] definitely in the idea of the
[00:51:44] generalization they don't really care to
[00:51:47] know who you are. So let's take
[00:51:49] Palestine, right? They Palestinian
[00:51:51] children, they're just getting food. One
[00:51:52] sneezes. It's like oh trigger happy.
[00:51:54] we're just going to shoot all of them,
[00:51:55] you know, like in a row. Obviously,
[00:51:57] that's not happening quite literally in
[00:51:59] the United States, but it's like you
[00:52:00] make a sudden movement, you carry a
[00:52:02] flag, you're getting shot, it doesn't
[00:52:04] matter. And so, it's like this
[00:52:06] trigger-happy
[00:52:07] um you know, generalizing of of the
[00:52:10] public that allows them to apply these
[00:52:12] like mass punishments. Um, and we this
[00:52:15] is enabled through um through the their
[00:52:19] surveillance, the facial recognition and
[00:52:21] things like that. And so even if they
[00:52:23] don't have a plausible reason or any
[00:52:25] legitimate reason to detain, to shoot,
[00:52:28] to do any of that, they just do it
[00:52:29] anyways because the idea isn't to really
[00:52:32] think, it's just to do. And so you find
[00:52:34] these very immediate reactions. And I
[00:52:37] think that those are uh those run
[00:52:39] alongside each other very well.
[00:52:41] Yeah. And they're also very scared just
[00:52:43] like the Israeli Defense Forces are also
[00:52:46] very scared as well. Um my my like final
[00:52:50] thing I wanted to kind of like ruminate
[00:52:51] on and Robert I'd like your take on
[00:52:53] this. Uh do you see the security
[00:52:56] relationship between the US and Israel
[00:52:57] dying down anytime in the future?
[00:53:00] I don't unless uh the Israeli regime
[00:53:04] collapses or becomes severely weakened
[00:53:06] but because they're just so deeply
[00:53:09] embedded. Even if you look at you take
[00:53:11] the ideology
[00:53:13] uh of these uh groups for instance, the
[00:53:16] Israelis who are you know so incredibly
[00:53:20] violent and they crack down on their
[00:53:23] opposition whether they be uh
[00:53:25] Palestinian resistance groups or people
[00:53:27] on college campuses with an iron fist.
[00:53:30] They like to cancel people. U they want
[00:53:33] to destroy their lives. they will come
[00:53:34] after them with a vengeance are the same
[00:53:37] people that have this victim complex
[00:53:39] where they want to claim that they're
[00:53:41] the victims of Palestinians, they're the
[00:53:43] victims of cancelling, they're the
[00:53:45] victims of this and that. Um, and you
[00:53:47] see the same thing in the United States
[00:53:50] with these uh white supremacist types,
[00:53:53] these white nationalist types or even
[00:53:55] just people who are like these ultra
[00:53:57] nationalists um who are in the Trump
[00:54:00] camp. White people are the target and
[00:54:03] they are the the victims, the ultimate
[00:54:05] victims. And they like to talk about how
[00:54:07] the other side cries victim, but there's
[00:54:09] one side with the power. you know, there
[00:54:11] are people that go online and cancel
[00:54:13] people because of tweets, mean tweets,
[00:54:15] um, and try and, you know, call a lot of
[00:54:17] things racist, which people want to
[00:54:20] dispute and all of this. But then you
[00:54:23] look on the other side on on the left
[00:54:25] side of the spectrum, some people, they
[00:54:28] might take it a little bit too far and
[00:54:29] they might try to destroy somebody's
[00:54:31] life or their career or something like
[00:54:32] that. For sure, we see a lot of that,
[00:54:35] right? Or we saw a lot of that before
[00:54:37] I'd say it died down. So, some of that
[00:54:39] happened. they had some cases to point
[00:54:41] to on the right and so they said, "Well,
[00:54:44] we're all against that. We want to stop
[00:54:46] that. We're against cancelling, right?
[00:54:49] Um, you know, we don't like people
[00:54:51] claiming to be the victim." But then if
[00:54:53] you look at them, their politics is all
[00:54:56] identity politics. There's no substance
[00:54:58] to anything they're saying because it's
[00:55:00] all white identity politics or white
[00:55:02] Jewish pol identity politics. So, it's
[00:55:05] like, well, we have this ethnostate that
[00:55:07] we protect unquestioning. We don't
[00:55:09] question, you know, anything about it
[00:55:11] whatsoever. Anybody that says anything
[00:55:13] about it is an anti-semite. Anybody that
[00:55:16] questions Trump's policies, you know,
[00:55:18] you must be in on like uh, you know,
[00:55:20] destroying uh, the white race and
[00:55:22] getting rid of America and changing
[00:55:24] America and destroying it. We see the
[00:55:26] same exact ideology from British
[00:55:28] nationalists and French nationalists
[00:55:29] when they're talking, they have
[00:55:31] absolutely no logic behind it. But the
[00:55:33] second you start challenging them and
[00:55:35] pushing back, here comes out uh, the big
[00:55:37] stick to beat you with. And the big
[00:55:39] stick is the state. It's the
[00:55:40] institutions. It's the corporations. On
[00:55:42] the left side of the spectrum, the
[00:55:44] cancelling is going on from a, you know,
[00:55:47] pool of angry people on the internet who
[00:55:49] point something out and then make
[00:55:51] somebody unpopular. So, you know,
[00:55:53] corporations might not want to have
[00:55:54] something to do with them because
[00:55:55] there's some bad connotation attached to
[00:55:57] them. Now, but if you look on the Trump
[00:55:59] administration, they're cancelelling
[00:56:01] what you can you on college campuses.
[00:56:04] They're banning you from saying certain
[00:56:05] things. They don't want you to
[00:56:07] demonstrate. And then they run and they
[00:56:09] cry victim. They're always the victim.
[00:56:11] Oh, I'm the victim of the persecution.
[00:56:14] It's it's actually me that is is uh the
[00:56:16] one that is being bullied and and needs
[00:56:19] a safe space and um feels uh as if you
[00:56:23] know I'm being discriminated against. So
[00:56:25] what they've done essentially is they've
[00:56:28] put like a political ideology uh behind
[00:56:31] this identity politics political
[00:56:33] ideology behind their right-wing power
[00:56:37] uh right now and they've piggybacked
[00:56:39] they've basically learned everything uh
[00:56:42] that was used by some people on the left
[00:56:44] and what they've done instead of it
[00:56:46] being a popular thing which is you know
[00:56:48] from the ground up in terms of coming
[00:56:50] for people and trying to uh let's say
[00:56:54] recreate, you know, language or, uh, for
[00:56:59] instance, criticize the way that we
[00:57:01] approach certain issues, um, and the way
[00:57:04] that we link different, uh, political,
[00:57:07] uh, issues. Now, the right have done
[00:57:09] that. They've weaponized it. They've
[00:57:10] done it with power. And they they're
[00:57:12] basically saying the exact same thing
[00:57:14] that they're accusing their opposition
[00:57:15] of doing. They're the snowflakes.
[00:57:18] They're the ones crying anti-semitism
[00:57:19] over everything. They're the one now.
[00:57:21] Oh, the anti-white. Oh, they want to
[00:57:23] cancel Christmas and they want to do
[00:57:25] the war on Christmas.
[00:57:27] The war on Christmas has been going on
[00:57:29] since I was a kid. In fact, that was one
[00:57:32] of my buddies like gamer tags like
[00:57:34] growing up and it was really incendiary.
[00:57:36] But, uh, yeah. No, basically we're
[00:57:39] seeing a
[00:57:40] modeling or kind of like a reverberation
[00:57:43] or reflection on what's going on around
[00:57:44] like Israel with the IDF forces. you
[00:57:46] know, they're taking casualties, you
[00:57:49] know, fighting against the uh, you know,
[00:57:51] Hamas terrorists that are trying to
[00:57:52] conduct a genocide. This the Homeland
[00:57:55] Security keeps posting this stuff. It's
[00:57:57] insane. Um, calls for violence against
[00:58:01] our ICE government law enforcement
[00:58:02] agents must end now. This despicable
[00:58:05] rhetoric has contributed to a 700%
[00:58:08] increase in assaults against them.
[00:58:10] Sanctuary politicians continue to fuel
[00:58:12] this vile rhetoric while our brave ICE
[00:58:14] agents are working to arrest the most
[00:58:16] dangerous criminals imaginable. It's
[00:58:19] shameful. And again, like yeah,
[00:58:23] for I I just finished uh an article
[00:58:26] because I did a segment uh you know
[00:58:29] forment on these vulnerable populations
[00:58:32] like street vendors that are being
[00:58:33] targeted. Data shows it actively
[00:58:36] contradicts what DHS is saying. They're
[00:58:38] not. I think, let me remember, out of
[00:58:40] 722
[00:58:42] migrants detained in the first 10 days
[00:58:44] of June, 80% were not convicted of any
[00:58:48] crime or violent. And so, if the trend
[00:58:50] continues, it actively contradicts what
[00:58:53] they're saying. When we look at the
[00:58:55] data, they're not even targeting
[00:58:58] criminals. Like, you know, this is like
[00:58:59] what we're saying. They're it actually
[00:59:01] showed that they're targeting
[00:59:02] workingclass males. Um, and so this is
[00:59:05] really interesting. Also,
[00:59:08] these uh you know these DHS and um and
[00:59:12] ICE agents, they come with guns and
[00:59:14] batons and they come in unmarked cars
[00:59:18] and they come in like teams of three and
[00:59:20] they come in the night and they catch
[00:59:21] you on your way home and it's like
[00:59:23] nobody's attacking ICE agents. And I
[00:59:25] love the double standard of these ICE
[00:59:28] agents coming in masked up, you know, uh
[00:59:31] Christy Noom is like these ICE agents
[00:59:33] are being doxed. They just, you know,
[00:59:34] want to provide for their families. And
[00:59:36] guess who else wants to provide for
[00:59:37] their families? You know what I mean?
[00:59:39] Like it's just this horrendous double
[00:59:41] standard,
[00:59:42] right? Well, you know, we we see it all
[00:59:45] the time. Uh do you say they're like
[00:59:47] focusing on working class men?
[00:59:50] Absolutely. And I we read so many
[00:59:53] testimonies of United States Marines
[00:59:55] that were kind of promised this uh this
[00:59:59] safety for their undocumented family
[01:00:01] members. But then you have like a United
[01:00:03] States Marine, his wife Paola was taken
[01:00:06] out of was detained um and seized while
[01:00:08] she was at her immigration appointment.
[01:00:10] We have another United States Marine,
[01:00:12] his father was taken while he was
[01:00:14] cutting shrubs at a Waffle House because
[01:00:17] he does landscaping. You know, we had
[01:00:20] another one where he was a street vendor
[01:00:22] and like this is just his job and he
[01:00:24] just they just took him. He wasn't a
[01:00:26] criminal. And I've spoken to so many
[01:00:29] immigrants undocumented as well who tell
[01:00:33] us, you know, I spoke to a girl and it
[01:00:35] was her graduation day. This was my
[01:00:37] first weekend in LA. She graduated from
[01:00:39] high school and immediately went to a
[01:00:40] protest like in her cap and gown. And
[01:00:42] she says, "You know what they don't
[01:00:43] understand is they love labeling us as
[01:00:46] criminals, but they don't understand
[01:00:47] that migrants, immigrants come to the
[01:00:49] United States and they fear getting in
[01:00:51] trouble. They do their they they do
[01:00:53] everything to, you know, obey the law.
[01:00:54] You know, we probably obey the law more
[01:00:56] than anybody because we don't want to
[01:00:57] get detained. We don't want to get in
[01:00:59] trouble. We truly are coming here for
[01:01:01] better opportunities." Um, and then
[01:01:03] again, their very existence is being
[01:01:05] criminalized. And so, you know, how do
[01:01:07] you combat that?
[01:01:09] Yeah. I I you I was on this like
[01:01:11] breaking points like subsidiary
[01:01:13] interview yesterday and I got asked
[01:01:15] like, do you see any like correlation
[01:01:17] between like your experiences in
[01:01:19] Afghanistan with the US military and
[01:01:21] these like deportation operations? And I
[01:01:22] was like, you know what? Actually, yeah.
[01:01:24] Because under Obama during the Afghan
[01:01:26] surge when I was in join Special
[01:01:28] Operations Command, we had quotas. It
[01:01:30] was kind of like unspoken. you know,
[01:01:32] there wasn't a memo going down, but it
[01:01:34] was like, "Hey guys, like, okay, so
[01:01:36] we're supposed to hit these high-V value
[01:01:37] targets, Taliban, Hakani, Al-Qaeda,
[01:01:40] proto-Islamic State, but there's no like
[01:01:42] actual
[01:01:43] actionable intelligence for, you know,
[01:01:46] where like a sublutenant or a lieutenant
[01:01:48] or a commander will be." Uh, so they're
[01:01:51] just like, "Well, if you don't have any
[01:01:52] known targets, go for like likely and
[01:01:54] suspected." So, a lot of the like direct
[01:01:57] action night raid kill capture
[01:01:59] operations we did were what we call dry
[01:02:02] holes. It was just a random house, wrong
[01:02:04] people, bad intelligence because it was
[01:02:06] like no intelligence and you know just
[01:02:08] ended up terrorizing an entire
[01:02:09] population.
[01:02:11] Yeah, that's what they're doing in LA.
[01:02:12] It's like just take anybody brown. And I
[01:02:14] mean that. That's what they're telling
[01:02:15] me. That's what we've read on the news.
[01:02:17] Like it's like just take anybody brown,
[01:02:18] anybody you think, you know, and we'll
[01:02:20] just detain them like
[01:02:22] No. Yeah. We got we got to have these
[01:02:23] numbers, you know. now think later. And
[01:02:26] it's like this is gross. But again,
[01:02:28] this, you know, these surveillance
[01:02:30] mechanisms and techniques allow for, you
[01:02:32] know, these vague practices so that we
[01:02:34] can just generalize like just just bag
[01:02:36] all the brown people, put them away,
[01:02:38] we'll decide who's illegal later, you
[01:02:40] know, undocumented. And so it's just
[01:02:42] it's really gross and it's really scary
[01:02:45] because
[01:02:46] citizens Mexican, you know, uh Mexican
[01:02:49] citizens that that are American citizens
[01:02:52] and have their citizenship as well as
[01:02:54] just like Hispanics that okay are brown
[01:02:56] have told me they're like I'm really
[01:02:58] afraid of going out. Like they're just
[01:02:59] taking anybody. Like al also what I've
[01:03:02] read is that DHS has been instructed to
[01:03:04] just take anybody in the vicinity. Like
[01:03:07] if I'm seizing an undocumented
[01:03:09] immigrant, that's the father. If the
[01:03:10] mother and the grandmother are there,
[01:03:11] I'm taking them too, even if they're
[01:03:13] documented. And so this it's just really
[01:03:15] predatory. None of it makes any sense.
[01:03:16] You're right. There's no intel behind
[01:03:18] these practices at all.
[01:03:19] And so it's kind of crazy, too, because
[01:03:22] we had like the best intelligence
[01:03:23] architecture on the planet at the time,
[01:03:26] and we just didn't have anything either.
[01:03:27] And so like, yeah, they have all these
[01:03:29] Israeli like high-tech stuff from like
[01:03:30] Palanteer. That doesn't mean you
[01:03:32] actually have anything actionable. At
[01:03:33] least in my own experience. And Robert,
[01:03:35] having lived and reported from the
[01:03:36] occupied Palestinian territories, like
[01:03:38] how reminiscent and like do you see this
[01:03:41] going to a level that that we're seeing
[01:03:45] over there, not with the home
[01:03:47] demolitions, but with detentions and
[01:03:49] stuff like that.
[01:03:50] Um well, of course, uh it's been going
[01:03:53] on for a very long time in the occupied
[01:03:55] territories. So, and then before that
[01:03:57] they were doing it um in what's now
[01:03:59] called Israel proper uh because uh in
[01:04:02] 1960 up until 1966
[01:04:05] uh those Palestinians who are now
[01:04:08] citizens of Israel were under military
[01:04:09] law as well. So they were being detained
[01:04:11] in the same way. But it's the same sort
[01:04:13] of uh strategy except like here in this
[01:04:16] case we're talking about all of the
[01:04:18] Palestinians who are detained you know
[01:04:20] the vast preponderance of them have done
[01:04:22] absolutely nothing. There is no legal
[01:04:24] recourse at all in any way. It's a 99.9%
[01:04:29] or nine 7% um conviction rate in a
[01:04:33] kangaroo court. And now today, what it's
[01:04:36] expanded into because obviously it's
[01:04:38] getting worse and worse in the United
[01:04:39] States. um and and my knowledge on how
[01:04:42] bad it is in the United States is not as
[01:04:44] extensive perhaps um as both of yours,
[01:04:47] but um in terms of what's happening uh
[01:04:50] what's been happening in uh the occupied
[01:04:53] West Bank, I saw them seize children out
[01:04:55] of their homes in in the night. That's
[01:04:57] just something that they've been doing.
[01:04:58] You know, a 12-year-old child can be
[01:05:00] snatched from their home in the middle
[01:05:01] of the night in a raid. They provide
[01:05:04] absolutely no justifications. Throwing
[01:05:06] stones is enough. It's sufficient. and
[01:05:07] then they can hold them in
[01:05:08] administrative detention uh for as long
[01:05:10] as they choose to. I had one friend of
[01:05:14] mine I was staying with over there uh
[01:05:16] two of his sons were taken uh both when
[01:05:20] they were 17 years old and one of them
[01:05:21] when I was there um uh for throwing
[01:05:25] stones apparently um and they put a
[01:05:28] whole bunch of other stupid charges on
[01:05:29] them. But for the first six months of
[01:05:32] their detention there was nothing. and
[01:05:34] they just kept extending these
[01:05:35] administrative detention orders which is
[01:05:37] hope without a charge. Now it's gotten
[01:05:39] into a situation which is much more uh
[01:05:42] severe than just going and rounding
[01:05:44] people up and picking people at random.
[01:05:47] You know uh who are the kids who are
[01:05:49] most likely in the village to be uh you
[01:05:51] know going to the wall and cutting the
[01:05:54] fence or something like that. Now it's
[01:05:56] to the point with Gaza where it's
[01:05:58] outside of the realm of the Israeli
[01:06:00] military court system. They've set up um
[01:06:03] these prisons where there are no
[01:06:07] convictions at all. They're staffed by
[01:06:10] members of the Israeli military uh like
[01:06:13] uh subtan detention facility. They round
[01:06:16] up thousands of people. Uh there's no
[01:06:19] proper documentation for them. So they
[01:06:21] don't actually have any documents um
[01:06:24] that we know about uh to say that okay
[01:06:27] we have you know this person this age in
[01:06:29] in this facility here at this time they
[01:06:32] round people up at will. People are
[01:06:35] disappeared. We never hear from them
[01:06:37] again. Many people have just been
[01:06:39] disappeared and we don't know where they
[01:06:40] are. People don't know whether they're
[01:06:42] under the rubble or whether they're in
[01:06:44] these detention facilities. And then
[01:06:45] occasionally somebody will be released
[01:06:47] from a detention facility like said
[01:06:49] Teeman where they are committing things
[01:06:51] like gang rape and mass sexual uh abuse
[01:06:55] and it's the soldiers doing this not
[01:06:56] prison guards because um you know there
[01:06:59] are no people that are convicted of
[01:07:01] anything. You you'll remember when this
[01:07:04] uh right to gang rape protests happened.
[01:07:07] Yes. when uh that all went on and then
[01:07:09] there was this uh member of the Israeli
[01:07:11] Knesset who was debating we should be
[01:07:13] able to do whatever we want with the
[01:07:16] terrorists. The are the special forces
[01:07:21] of of Hamas of the Gasam. Um, but
[01:07:25] there's no way that they could have
[01:07:26] known that because if somebody was
[01:07:29] actually guilty of something, they would
[01:07:30] not be in Satiman because the second
[01:07:33] that person you have evidence against
[01:07:35] that person, you transfer them out of
[01:07:36] Satiman detention facility and while
[01:07:39] they're there, they transfer them to
[01:07:41] facilities where they're interrogated by
[01:07:43] uh the Jimbe. So, they don't actually
[01:07:46] have any intelligence on who these
[01:07:50] people are. they just round them up, put
[01:07:52] them in this detention camp, and then
[01:07:54] torture them at will. Um, and sometimes
[01:07:57] maybe they'll get a confession out of
[01:07:58] somebody, maybe it's genuine, maybe it's
[01:08:00] not, and then they'll uh, you know,
[01:08:03] spirit them away to another uh, facility
[01:08:05] where they'll actually bring charges
[01:08:06] against them. But the way that it's been
[01:08:09] conducted by the Israelis is reminiscent
[01:08:11] and even worse than what the British did
[01:08:14] uh during the British mandate period in
[01:08:15] occupied Palestine when the Palestinians
[01:08:18] uh revolted during the Arab revolt as
[01:08:20] it's known uh between 36 and 39. Um the
[01:08:25] British established these prison
[01:08:27] facilities which were very similar um
[01:08:30] and they did very similar things with
[01:08:32] the sexual abuse. Um I I don't want to
[01:08:35] go into detail with things, but you
[01:08:37] know, let's leave it at sexual abuse and
[01:08:39] rape that the British committed against
[01:08:41] Palestinians, thousands of them back
[01:08:43] then. Uh the Israelis have basically
[01:08:46] replicated this, but it's now on
[01:08:48] steroids, uh what they're doing. So, you
[01:08:50] know, there is that theory of the
[01:08:53] slippery slope here that if the United
[01:08:55] States keeps doing this um and it's
[01:08:58] collaborating and it's so it's uh you
[01:09:02] know uh law enforcement agencies and
[01:09:05] private security firms and government is
[01:09:07] so interwoven with those on the Israeli
[01:09:10] side that how bad will this get? you
[01:09:13] know, will it just be a few cases of the
[01:09:15] horror stories or will this be a a more
[01:09:20] widespread overarching system which will
[01:09:23] just disappear? People, black bag them
[01:09:25] on mass all the time um without any uh
[01:09:29] legal recourse for those who are the
[01:09:31] victims of it whatsoever.
[01:09:33] I mean, it it does it does remind me of
[01:09:35] the early days of the global war on
[01:09:36] terror with like the CIA's extraordinary
[01:09:38] rendition program where people were just
[01:09:41] disappeared in in the night. Well, in
[01:09:42] terms of like it always like starts with
[01:09:45] colonial violence and then boomerangs
[01:09:47] back, right? Uh the thing about the US
[01:09:49] military, while I'll never apologize
[01:09:51] for, you know, milit US military
[01:09:54] imperialist intervention, it it it's
[01:09:56] kind of stark that uh it wasn't as
[01:09:59] institutionalized. There were massive
[01:10:01] scandals like the Haditha massacre and
[01:10:03] Abu Garb.
[01:10:04] Uh and you know there was that one uh
[01:10:08] story with a 14-year-old girl and I
[01:10:10] think it was the 82nd Airborne. Uh but
[01:10:12] it wasn't institutionalized. But now
[01:10:15] it's kind of like disturbing to see like
[01:10:17] it's like a lot of this stuff is
[01:10:18] institutionalized within um you know
[01:10:21] these ICE detention facilities. Like if
[01:10:23] you look at the uh the border reporting
[01:10:25] that like NPR and Latino USA has done
[01:10:28] over the past like decades, you know,
[01:10:30] the the amount of like sexual abuse that
[01:10:33] goes on or like allegedly, but come on,
[01:10:36] uh that goes on in these detention
[01:10:37] facilities where there's no legal
[01:10:39] oversight, where they're not even
[01:10:40] letting uh congressional members in who,
[01:10:43] you know, congressmen have a legal right
[01:10:46] and some would say obligation to do spot
[01:10:49] inspections of these facilities. They're
[01:10:51] not even letting them in anymore.
[01:10:52] They're arresting them. So, uh, we we um
[01:10:56] I I'm definitely kind of concerned about
[01:10:58] how like all of this is influencing each
[01:11:01] other. And of course, all these
[01:11:02] evangelicals who create in the Heritage
[01:11:06] Foundation who are behind this mass
[01:11:09] deportation push look at envy with what
[01:11:12] the Israelis do. Absolutely. And like um
[01:11:17] Jalissa like do you have a sense about
[01:11:20] like how many of these police officers
[01:11:22] or ICE officers like idealize or respect
[01:11:27] or look up to the Israeli Defense
[01:11:29] Forces.
[01:11:31] It's like they're to be honest what I
[01:11:33] gathered is they're just dead inside.
[01:11:35] They're told to do something and they're
[01:11:36] just doing it. And a lot of times they
[01:11:39] won't even speak to us. You you try to
[01:11:41] ask them questions and they won't even
[01:11:42] look at you. They won't even tell you
[01:11:44] who they are. Uh they won't tell you
[01:11:47] their name or their B that when I first
[01:11:49] went they're telling you their badge
[01:11:51] number. Now they won't even tell you
[01:11:52] their badge number. Um and so the
[01:11:54] anonymity is if I said that right uh is
[01:11:58] is kind of protected amongst uh these
[01:12:00] forces uh you know law enforcement,
[01:12:03] LAPD, USMC, the California National
[01:12:05] Guard. Um and that's all I really can
[01:12:08] say. They they don't talk to us. I
[01:12:10] haven't seen anybody. I've seen a bunch
[01:12:11] of like uh spray painted, you know, the
[01:12:15] pigs are trained by the IDF, but for the
[01:12:17] most part, they won't talk to you. But
[01:12:19] all we can say is that the tactics are
[01:12:21] replicated, and so they must see this as
[01:12:23] an efficient way uh to accomplish what
[01:12:25] they set out to do. And for that, I
[01:12:27] think that speaks for itself.
[01:12:29] Yeah, it's true. The performative
[01:12:30] effect, whether or not they love the IDF
[01:12:32] or not, is the same. And I would just
[01:12:34] like to make one point before we wrap up
[01:12:36] here. Um the the fusion the conflation
[01:12:39] of military and paramilitary forces is
[01:12:43] intentional. Um it's all part of a a
[01:12:46] normalization process. So yes, while the
[01:12:48] Marine Corps and the National Guard
[01:12:51] aren't really doing anything beyond
[01:12:53] providing logistical support to, you
[01:12:55] know, Alligator Alcatraz or whatever,
[01:12:57] it's all part of a PR normalization
[01:13:00] campaign. Because while Trump may be not
[01:13:02] the smartest guy, he has amazing
[01:13:04] political instincts, which he seems to
[01:13:06] be losing um rapidly, uh the people
[01:13:10] backing him at the Heritage Foundation
[01:13:12] are actually incredibly intelligent.
[01:13:14] They know exactly what they're doing.
[01:13:16] And to to that end, I just wanted to put
[01:13:20] all of this and round all this out with
[01:13:22] a quote from uh one of the border chiefs
[01:13:24] of the El Central unit uh from two days
[01:13:28] ago. Uh Greg Bovino is his name.
[01:13:33] Federal government is not leaving LA. I
[01:13:36] don't work for Karen Bass. The federal
[01:13:37] government doesn't work for Karen Bass.
[01:13:40] We're going to be here till that
[01:13:40] mission's accomplished as I said and uh
[01:13:44] better get used to us now because uh
[01:13:46] this is going to be normal very soon.
[01:13:48] Oh
[01:13:49] yeah, but it's not working. So um cool.
[01:13:54] LA's resisting hard as hell. They are
[01:13:56] resisting and they're going to keep
[01:13:58] resisting to be honest. I don't see like
[01:14:00] an end in insight for this
[01:14:02] at all.
[01:14:03] Right. And yeah, we're stuck now with an
[01:14:06] intractical political problem, which is
[01:14:08] the mass deportations that are
[01:14:10] completely operationally impossible. And
[01:14:13] then Israel's stuck with the the Gaza
[01:14:15] problem and getting rid of that, which
[01:14:16] seems to be, I don't know, politically
[01:14:20] and logistically impossible as well.
[01:14:23] The mass uh deportation and
[01:14:25] concentration camps uh that the idea,
[01:14:27] you know, that Israel has for the
[01:14:29] Palestinians to move out 1.8 8 million
[01:14:31] people. The idea that we can arrest and
[01:14:33] detain 3,000 immigrants a day, it's just
[01:14:36] all like really unattainable. It's not
[01:14:39] realistic. Um, and in the end,
[01:14:42] resistance exists. You know, whether
[01:14:44] it's domestic in the United States or,
[01:14:46] you know, if it's in the Middle East,
[01:14:48] uh, this exists. And so, they'll always
[01:14:50] have that, um, as an obstacle to these
[01:14:53] larger geopolitical goals they seek to
[01:14:55] achieve.
[01:14:56] Yeah. And we we I I just wanted to point
[01:14:58] out here in closing that we no longer
[01:15:00] have the power projection that we had in
[01:15:03] the '90s. You know, we no longer have
[01:15:04] the strength to, you know, impose
[01:15:06] sanctions and do military interventions.
[01:15:09] And, you know, we we want to jin up
[01:15:11] consent for a war against Iran, but we
[01:15:14] couldn't even do that at the height of
[01:15:15] our powers in the post desert storm era.
[01:15:17] Uh that was completely strategically
[01:15:19] unfeasible. Iran's a death trap. It's a
[01:15:21] garrison state. Uh, and then we have no
[01:15:23] one else on the target deck right now
[01:15:25] for intervention. We can't jin up enough
[01:15:27] support for the invasion of the the
[01:15:30] Yemeni mountains to take it to
[01:15:32] Ansurella. So, the next forever war,
[01:15:35] because the US demands a forever war, is
[01:15:38] going to be here. And just like our
[01:15:40] forever wars, they don't work, but they
[01:15:42] do make a very select few a lot of
[01:15:46] money. So, thanks for your time. We just
[01:15:49] wanted to uh y'all we we just wanted to
[01:15:51] highlight and have a kind of like an
[01:15:52] open discussion about these developments
[01:15:55] and kind of have an evergreen episode
[01:15:56] because these tactics aren't going to
[01:15:58] change. Uh the these stated goals aren't
[01:16:01] going to change and I think in the end
[01:16:04] even though the violence may increase
[01:16:06] horrifically in the short term both
[01:16:08] overseas and domestically it doesn't
[01:16:11] seem like it's going to work. It's a
[01:16:13] bold move Cotton but I don't think it's
[01:16:14] going to work out. So thanks y'all for
[01:16:16] watching. This is uh been with Robert
[01:16:19] Inlash uh at Mint Press News and Jalisa
[01:16:22] Jro who's been a Mintress news
[01:16:24] correspondent covering the ICE raids.
[01:16:26] Thank y'all so much. Like, share, share,
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[01:16:41] much for coming on.
[01:16:42] Thanks so much. Bye.
[01:16:43] All right. See you next week. uh try to
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[01:16:51] end times.
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