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[00:00:01] What happened a few days ago in
[00:00:03] Venezuela is not just a big surprise to
[00:00:06] people who are watching it. It's not
[00:00:07] just a kind of exciting fallen foreign
[00:00:10] policy story. It is the effectively
[00:00:13] announcement by the US government that
[00:00:15] our system is changing that we are now
[00:00:19] explicitly an empire. We're an empire.
[00:00:23] So of course the argument has been made
[00:00:26] and uh probably there's some truth to
[00:00:27] it. The United States has been an empire
[00:00:28] for a long time, for at least the last
[00:00:30] 80 years, since 1945 when we emerged
[00:00:33] victorious from World War II, or maybe
[00:00:35] even 1918 when the British Empire
[00:00:37] effectively ended. Maybe even 1898
[00:00:42] when we got Puerto Rico, and then a few
[00:00:44] years later, Cuba from the Spanish
[00:00:45] Empire. So, you could argue that the
[00:00:48] United States, like all big, prosperous
[00:00:50] countries, inevitably became an empire.
[00:00:55] But the difference between the last 120
[00:00:58] years and earlier this week is that we
[00:01:02] never before admitted it. And now we
[00:01:04] are. So every time we've gone into
[00:01:07] foreign countries in Latin America, but
[00:01:09] not just Latin America, really around
[00:01:10] the world, there has been a pretext for
[00:01:14] that, usually about human rights or
[00:01:17] democracy. we're not going to put up
[00:01:18] with this or that government treating
[00:01:20] its people this way and we have to go in
[00:01:22] to stop the tyranny because we are a
[00:01:25] force for openness and freedom and
[00:01:29] there's been some truth in that of
[00:01:30] course but behind that has been the
[00:01:34] calculation behind every big foreign
[00:01:36] policy move made by every big country.
[00:01:38] How is this good for us? Whether it's
[00:01:40] propping up the dollar or getting access
[00:01:42] to resources, there's always another
[00:01:44] reason that we're doing it. And people
[00:01:46] who are paying close attention know
[00:01:47] that. Of course, one of the reasons that
[00:01:50] American troops have been clustered
[00:01:51] around the Middle East for as long as
[00:01:53] they have been is not just the Israeli
[00:01:54] lobby. It's because there's an awful lot
[00:01:56] of energy in the Middle East, oil and
[00:01:58] gas, and that's important to our
[00:02:00] country. So, of course, we have a stake
[00:02:02] in making sure it can be extracted and
[00:02:03] moved around the world, obviously.
[00:02:06] But what makes what happened in
[00:02:07] Venezuela? taking the head of state out
[00:02:09] of the presidential palace with Delta
[00:02:10] Force and bringing him to New York and
[00:02:12] putting him on trial. What makes that so
[00:02:13] very different from say I don't know
[00:02:15] pick one killing Mosedc in 1953 in Iran
[00:02:18] or whatever [snorts] is that the US
[00:02:20] government, the president of the United
[00:02:21] States basically just said we're doing
[00:02:23] this because of the resources.
[00:02:26] Venezuela has the largest proven oil
[00:02:29] reserve in the world. It's in our
[00:02:31] hemisphere. It's going to China. And how
[00:02:33] about no, this is our hemisphere. It's
[00:02:35] going to go to us. He just said it out
[00:02:38] loud. And there's something kind of
[00:02:40] thrilling about that. There's something
[00:02:41] thrilling about the honesty there.
[00:02:43] There's no fakery. No, we're the US.
[00:02:46] We're not going to put up with that.
[00:02:48] This is our interest and we're going to
[00:02:50] protect it. That's what the president
[00:02:51] said. And for the first time in a long
[00:02:54] time, there was pretty strong support
[00:02:57] from the right, from Trump voters for
[00:03:01] foreign policy adventurism. Keep in mind
[00:03:04] a lot of them voted for the president on
[00:03:05] the basis of his pledge to not start new
[00:03:07] wars. Well, here is effectively a new
[00:03:09] conflict and they're supporting it. Why?
[00:03:12] Because the president justified it in
[00:03:15] terms of our national interest. This is
[00:03:17] good for us. We're not upholding
[00:03:19] international law. We're doing it
[00:03:21] because we want the oil. And again,
[00:03:24] there's something bracing and refreshing
[00:03:26] about someone finally telling the truth
[00:03:28] about why we're doing what we're doing.
[00:03:31] And the president absolutely told the
[00:03:33] truth and that's great and you saw an
[00:03:36] uptick in national pride. Understandably
[00:03:39] the US military is actually capable of
[00:03:41] more than DEI. We can do complicated
[00:03:43] things and that is something to be proud
[00:03:44] of. The US government is finally acting
[00:03:46] in the interest of the United States or
[00:03:48] says it is and that's a massive
[00:03:49] improvement over yet another lecture
[00:03:52] about a hollow theory.
[00:03:55] But there are pitfalls potentially and
[00:03:57] it's worth also considering those
[00:03:59] because this is a new era. As has been
[00:04:03] noted, the United States has moved into
[00:04:05] the imperial phase of empire
[00:04:09] leaving the republic shifting to empire.
[00:04:13] And that's a pretty familiar life cycle
[00:04:15] for civilizations. And so we sort of
[00:04:17] roughly know what will happen. The first
[00:04:20] thing that's going to happen is that the
[00:04:21] energy and the power will vest in the
[00:04:23] executive and not the legislative
[00:04:24] branch. Congress will inevitably wither.
[00:04:26] It already is. They were not consulted
[00:04:29] before we took out the president of
[00:04:31] Venezuela. They had no role in this
[00:04:32] whatsoever. They have a constitutional
[00:04:34] authority here. That was ignored as it
[00:04:37] has been many times in the past. When
[00:04:39] was the last time Congress did something
[00:04:41] of note? It's been a long time. And
[00:04:44] that, if you take three steps back, is
[00:04:46] probably not surprising. That's the way
[00:04:48] these things go. The power moves to the
[00:04:52] executive, to Caesar or the president or
[00:04:55] whatever you call him, to the national
[00:04:56] leader
[00:04:58] and that trend will accelerate over time
[00:05:01] for certain, not decelerate. And that
[00:05:03] has all kinds of implications. One of
[00:05:04] which is national elections are now
[00:05:06] everything. It's always mattered who the
[00:05:09] president is. Now it matters more than
[00:05:11] ever because the president has the
[00:05:13] ability to act unilaterally in the way
[00:05:16] we just saw. And that's a lesson that
[00:05:18] every aspiring president will
[00:05:19] internalize. And so the next
[00:05:22] presidential election 2028 means much
[00:05:25] more than any presidential election in
[00:05:27] our history because the power has
[00:05:30] expanded so dramatically in the office
[00:05:32] and once expanded it never contracts
[00:05:35] voluntarily. [snorts]
[00:05:36] So that's the first implication. The
[00:05:38] second implication
[00:05:39] is that now that we're telling the truth
[00:05:41] about why nations do what they do, a lot
[00:05:44] of the arguments that we have relied
[00:05:46] upon, in fact, that have been the basis
[00:05:47] of a lot of our foreign policy positions
[00:05:49] are now moot. So once you say out loud,
[00:05:53] we're grabbing Venezuela because we're
[00:05:55] annoyed they're selling what is our oil
[00:05:57] to the Chinese, our rival. Once you just
[00:05:59] say that out loud, and again,
[00:06:01] it's good to be honest. But once you are
[00:06:04] honest, it's kind of hard to make the
[00:06:06] case that, well, for example, Russia
[00:06:09] doesn't have an interest in what happens
[00:06:11] in eastern Ukraine.
[00:06:13] It's hard to scold Putin for moving into
[00:06:16] Ukraine. Here's a great power threatened
[00:06:19] on its border, and it takes action to
[00:06:22] protect itself. And we've been calling
[00:06:23] that an unprovoked invasion. The Biden
[00:06:26] administration called that. The State
[00:06:27] Department still calls it that and our
[00:06:28] policy is based on the idea that this is
[00:06:30] illegitimate and that's why we've been
[00:06:32] waging a proxy war against Russia for
[00:06:34] four years. You can't really make that
[00:06:36] argument anymore. How is it wrong for a
[00:06:40] great power like Russia to protect
[00:06:42] itself? Well, under the rules that we're
[00:06:44] now operating under, it's not wrong. But
[00:06:46] you can't point to some abstract
[00:06:48] principle and say it's absolutely wrong.
[00:06:52] Why would it be wrong for China to
[00:06:54] retake Taiwan? The US government already
[00:06:57] acknowledges that Taiwan is part of
[00:06:58] China. We have a so-called one China
[00:07:00] policy. And yet simultaneously, we
[00:07:02] suggest we would defend Taiwan against
[00:07:04] Chinese aggression. But wait a second.
[00:07:06] Taiwan is Honchinese. Same people, same
[00:07:09] language, tons of cultural similarities.
[00:07:12] We want the microchips in Taiwan. We
[00:07:14] hope it doesn't happen because it would
[00:07:16] give China greater leverage over the
[00:07:17] United States. But as a matter of
[00:07:19] principle, can you really say it's wrong
[00:07:22] for China to reunify with Taiwan? No,
[00:07:24] you can't say that anymore.
[00:07:26] All you can say is we will try to
[00:07:28] prevent it if we can, but we can't
[00:07:31] appeal to any higher authority. Now,
[00:07:34] some will say that higher authority was
[00:07:35] made up. Well, it certainly was made up,
[00:07:38] but that principle was the basis of the
[00:07:41] entire fabled post-war order. What was
[00:07:43] the post-war order? It was based on one
[00:07:45] idea. It is wrong for bigger comp
[00:07:47] countries to swallow up smaller
[00:07:49] countries just cuz they want to. That's
[00:07:50] why we declared war against Germany when
[00:07:52] they went into Poland. that weirdly did
[00:07:54] not declare war against the Soviet Union
[00:07:55] when they did the same thing the same
[00:07:57] day. But whatever, the point is big
[00:08:00] countries are not allowed to act in a
[00:08:02] predatory way towards smaller countries
[00:08:04] because that's wrong.
[00:08:07] And there's always been, as noted, tons
[00:08:09] of fakery around that, of course, tons
[00:08:11] of pretending and pretense. We're all
[00:08:13] wearing a veil to hide our true motives.
[00:08:17] But that has still been the basis of the
[00:08:20] way [snorts] countries deal with each
[00:08:22] other.
[00:08:23] And that is no longer the case as of
[00:08:25] this week because the world's great
[00:08:28] superpower, oldest superpower, the
[00:08:30] United States, just acted purely in its
[00:08:33] own interest and said so out loud. So
[00:08:36] where does it leave all these
[00:08:37] international bodies? The UN most
[00:08:40] famously, but all of them, the World
[00:08:43] Health Organization, how about NATO?
[00:08:46] Do they have any authority at all? Is
[00:08:48] there a reason to have them once we've
[00:08:50] stopped pretending? probably not. They
[00:08:52] may not know that yet. And of course,
[00:08:53] they're all very well funded and will
[00:08:55] live on into the future to some extent,
[00:08:59] but basically they're dead ben walking.
[00:09:01] They're over. That's all over. We now
[00:09:04] live in a world where countries will act
[00:09:07] in their own interest without apology to
[00:09:09] the extent they are capable of doing so
[00:09:12] through force or guile,
[00:09:15] through economic power or military power
[00:09:18] or trickery. But nobody's going to have
[00:09:20] to pretend that we're doing this because
[00:09:22] we're upholding the rights of man.
[00:09:26] So again, that's great. A lot of people
[00:09:29] are excited about it. Not going to argue
[00:09:30] against it because it's already
[00:09:32] happened. This is done. This is the new
[00:09:34] world that we live in for good or for
[00:09:37] bad. So it is a waste of time and breath
[00:09:40] to complain about it. Far better, far
[00:09:42] more constructive to think through what
[00:09:44] does this mean going forward? What
[00:09:46] implications does this have for us? And
[00:09:47] what are the potential traps in an
[00:09:49] arrangement like this? One that we've
[00:09:51] never lived in before. And the first is
[00:09:53] very obvious, and that's getting over
[00:09:55] your skis. That's getting stoned on
[00:09:57] hubris, which is always the pitfall for
[00:10:00] for any man really in life, powerful or
[00:10:03] not. Convincing yourself that you have
[00:10:05] more power than you actually have, is
[00:10:09] the most basic trap in life. That's how
[00:10:11] you wind up hurting yourself because you
[00:10:13] overextend. And [snorts] the problem
[00:10:15] with military success is it does inspire
[00:10:17] that. This is not true just of the
[00:10:20] current president, but it's true of
[00:10:21] every president. And all of a sudden you
[00:10:23] can wind up in much deeper waters than
[00:10:25] expected. And [snorts] of course in our
[00:10:28] government there's an entire
[00:10:29] constellation of foreign lobbies around
[00:10:31] any president telling him do this, do
[00:10:34] that on behalf of other countries trying
[00:10:36] to leverage the enormous power of the
[00:10:38] United States for their own ends. And so
[00:10:41] you could very easily imagine soon the
[00:10:45] US government doing what it did in
[00:10:47] Venezuela in other countries. And maybe
[00:10:49] in some it will work, maybe in some it
[00:10:51] won't work, but there are a couple of
[00:10:52] them where if it didn't work, you could
[00:10:54] get in very, very serious trouble. In
[00:10:56] fact, you could wind up a nuclear war.
[00:10:59] So it's worth remembering that even a
[00:11:02] great power is limited in its powers.
[00:11:05] You can't do everything and things can
[00:11:08] go wrong very quickly in ways that you
[00:11:10] don't anticipate. And that's why above
[00:11:13] all an empire needs serious men to run
[00:11:17] it. It needs people who understand the
[00:11:20] stakes, who understand the burden that
[00:11:22] they are carrying, which is the future
[00:11:24] of the world, certainly the future of
[00:11:26] their own people, and who make wise
[00:11:29] decisions with the national interest
[00:11:32] ever present in mind. What you don't
[00:11:34] want are flighty, emotionally
[00:11:37] incontinent, silly people on the payroll
[00:11:40] of foreign nations making the decisions
[00:11:43] in an empire cuz that's how you get in
[00:11:45] trouble. People like just throwing this
[00:11:47] out there say Lindsey Graham. Here he is
[00:11:50] in the aftermath of Venezuela. To the
[00:11:52] people of Iran, we stand with you
[00:11:54] tonight. We stand for you taking back
[00:11:58] your country from the Ayatollah, a
[00:12:00] religious Nazi who kills you and
[00:12:02] terrorizes the world. We pray for you.
[00:12:05] We support you. Donald J. Trump is not
[00:12:08] Barack Obama. He has your back. And to
[00:12:10] the Ayatolloas, you need to understand
[00:12:13] if you keep killing your people who are
[00:12:15] demanding a better life, Donald J. Trump
[00:12:18] is going to kill you.
[00:12:21] Every time you see that guy, Every time
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[00:12:27] for DUI with your drunk girlfriend in
[00:12:29] the passenger seat, screaming at the
[00:12:31] cop, "YOU CAN'T DO THIS. TAKE YOUR HANDS
[00:12:32] OFF HIM. [laughter]
[00:12:34] HE'S GOING TO BEAT YOU UP."
[00:12:37] Lindsey Graham really is the drunk
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[00:14:14] and international law, once again, you
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[00:14:19] decision. You do not need harpies
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[00:14:23] to beat you up if you arrest him. You
[00:14:25] don't need people like that. You don't
[00:14:26] need people like Ted Cruz, Laura Loomer,
[00:14:30] buffoons, bloodthirsty buffoons hovering
[00:14:33] around trying to lure you into a new
[00:14:35] conflict.
[00:14:38] You don't need people like a Mark Levvin
[00:14:39] who told the president that YOU SHOULD
[00:14:41] BOMB QATAR.
[00:14:42] BOMB QATAR.
[00:14:44] Why would you do that? [laughter]
[00:14:47] Our strongest ally in the region. Let's
[00:14:49] bomb them.
[00:14:51] And to the president's great credit, to
[00:14:53] Donald Trump's great credit, he has in
[00:14:55] the last several days resisted a lot of
[00:14:58] that. And we know that by how
[00:15:02] they handled the exit of Maduro in
[00:15:05] Venezuela. So, there are a lot of ways
[00:15:07] to do this. The neocons had their
[00:15:10] candidate ready to go. They awarded her
[00:15:12] the Nobel Prize recently, the abortion
[00:15:13] lady, the gay marriage lady, the Claus
[00:15:16] Schwab acolyte, who's going to move the
[00:15:18] embassy to Jerusalem or something. They
[00:15:21] were all set to install this Lady
[00:15:23] Machado in the presidency in Venezuela,
[00:15:27] and Donald Trump shut it down. In fact,
[00:15:29] he mocked her at his first press
[00:15:31] conference announcing the capture of
[00:15:34] Maduro.
[00:15:35] That is a
[00:15:38] good sign. That is the best possible
[00:15:40] sign that someone has thought this
[00:15:43] through in a very serious way. And I
[00:15:44] have to say it looks like Marco Rubio
[00:15:46] and JD Vance played a huge role in that.
[00:15:49] And a lot of people mock Marco Rubio for
[00:15:50] being a neocon, which he may or may not
[00:15:52] be. But my impression was that
[00:15:58] his influence on this operation uh was
[00:16:01] was real and [snorts] that his
[00:16:03] preference was not to install the Nobel
[00:16:06] Prize lady um but instead to continue
[00:16:09] continuity of government. So what does
[00:16:10] that mean? Well, it's an imperfect
[00:16:12] solution. It means taking Maduro's
[00:16:14] number two and letting her continue to
[00:16:16] run the country. Now, why would you do
[00:16:17] that if you were operating under the
[00:16:19] previous framework, which was basically
[00:16:21] an emotional framework? Well, we need to
[00:16:23] bring human rights to Venezuela. We
[00:16:24] can't depose the dictator and put him on
[00:16:26] trial in New York and then put his
[00:16:28] number two in charge of the country.
[00:16:29] That'd be bad.
[00:16:31] We need to kill Saddam and then disband
[00:16:35] the Iraqi army.
[00:16:38] So, someone has learned a lesson from
[00:16:39] that. And let's hope no one ever forgets
[00:16:41] the lesson, which is that tyranny is
[00:16:43] bad, chaos is worse.
[00:16:46] And Donald Trump clearly learned that
[00:16:48] lesson because he arrived at an
[00:16:51] imperfect but wise solution. Let's keep
[00:16:56] people in charge who can actually keep
[00:16:58] the country together. Now, we'll see if
[00:17:00] Deli Rodriguez can actually do that.
[00:17:03] We don't know yet, but it's the intent
[00:17:06] of the administration to do that, to not
[00:17:08] turn Venezuela into
[00:17:11] a Libya or an Iraq in our hemisphere
[00:17:14] with the ensuing migrant crisis and just
[00:17:16] the disaster, the complete loss of the
[00:17:18] oil fields, the insurgency, the civil
[00:17:21] war,
[00:17:23] massive death toll. I mean, just the
[00:17:25] pure disaster that US foreign policy has
[00:17:28] created again and again and again with
[00:17:30] regime change. that is not
[00:17:34] necessarily going to happen in Venezuela
[00:17:37] and that's a massive improvement and we
[00:17:39] should be grateful for that. Whatever
[00:17:40] whatever you think of grabbing Maduro,
[00:17:42] that is a really good thing and a really
[00:17:43] good sign because it suggests that the
[00:17:47] administration understands that resource
[00:17:50] extraction, national interest is a huge
[00:17:52] part of running an empire, but it's not
[00:17:54] the only part. The main part is
[00:17:57] stability. That's the most important
[00:17:59] part. From stability flows prosperity
[00:18:02] and every other good thing, decency.
[00:18:05] Nothing good can grow in chaos.
[00:18:09] And they seem to understand at the
[00:18:10] height of the Roman Empire, the most
[00:18:12] famous empire in history, there were
[00:18:14] very few wars. It was called Pox Romana,
[00:18:17] the Roman peace.
[00:18:19] The empire was powerful enough to
[00:18:21] establish peace, to establish order and
[00:18:25] tranquility.
[00:18:27] And you know almost 2,000 years later
[00:18:30] we're still talking about it because it
[00:18:31] was a rare and beautiful thing. So
[00:18:33] ultimately an empire exists. Its first
[00:18:37] job is to preserve stability in the
[00:18:40] world or the portion of the world over
[00:18:42] which it rules. And the Trump
[00:18:43] administration seems to understand that
[00:18:45] and seems to be moving in that
[00:18:47] direction. And if so that's a huge win.
[00:18:50] So get rid of the dumb shrill harpies.
[00:18:54] Don't let them have any influence. We
[00:18:55] can't bomb Qatar. We're not going to
[00:18:57] threaten to murder the Ayatollah on Fox
[00:19:00] News. That's not how an empire behaves.
[00:19:03] We're going to make calculated, wise
[00:19:05] decisions about what's good for us and
[00:19:07] what's good for the part of the world
[00:19:08] that we rule over.
[00:19:11] The second thing you do once you
[00:19:12] announce that you're an empire is think
[00:19:14] through where this is going to go in the
[00:19:17] next several years. Like what does the
[00:19:19] world look like 5 10 years from now?
[00:19:21] Well, today about an hour and a half
[00:19:22] ago, the president announced that he is
[00:19:25] hiking the Pentagon budget from 1
[00:19:28] trillion to 1.5 trillion. Just announced
[00:19:30] that.
[00:19:32] Why? Well, it's hard to know without
[00:19:35] asking him. He'll explain, but big
[00:19:37] picture, obviously, that's the kind of
[00:19:39] budget that a country that anticipates
[00:19:42] a global or regional war has for its
[00:19:46] military. There's no other reason to do
[00:19:47] that. That's not a peacekeeping budget.
[00:19:49] It's a war budget, a big war budget. So,
[00:19:52] I think it's fair to expect and all the
[00:19:53] signs suggest that we're going to have a
[00:19:55] big war soon. A big war soon. I think
[00:20:00] everyone expects that to happen. Hope it
[00:20:02] doesn't happen, but obviously we're
[00:20:03] moving in that direction toward a world
[00:20:05] war. Sorry.
[00:20:07] So, how do you position yourself for
[00:20:09] that? Well, you look at a map and you
[00:20:12] ask the most basic questions. What areas
[00:20:15] do I want to control? Where are the
[00:20:16] trade routes? Who's got the resources?
[00:20:20] Who do I share a language with? Who do I
[00:20:22] share a common history with? Who do I
[00:20:24] share a civilization with?
[00:20:28] And you proceed on that basis. And you
[00:20:29] try and shore up your team, the allies,
[00:20:32] against the other team, the Axis or
[00:20:34] whatever.
[00:20:36] But you think soberly about how the
[00:20:39] world is going to cleave once this
[00:20:42] begins. And if you were to do that for
[00:20:44] about, I don't know, 25 or 30 seconds,
[00:20:47] you would arrive at the most obvious
[00:20:48] conclusion of all, which is the United
[00:20:50] States has to have a relationship with
[00:20:54] Russia in order to survive anything like
[00:20:56] that. And the reason is really simple.
[00:20:58] Scale and resources. Russia is the
[00:21:00] largest country in the world. It has the
[00:21:03] most resources in the world. That means
[00:21:06] energy, oil, and gas. It means all kinds
[00:21:08] of minerals. It means gold.
[00:21:10] And in a world where the US dollar is
[00:21:13] probably not going to be as powerful as
[00:21:16] it once was, it already declining uh in
[00:21:19] value. Massive incentive for other
[00:21:20] countries to get off the dollar to trade
[00:21:22] in energy in other currencies.
[00:21:25] You need to think about gold and people
[00:21:29] are thinking about gold. And by the way,
[00:21:30] if you are wondering whether volatility
[00:21:32] is coming up, look at silver prices.
[00:21:33] Look at gold prices over the last year.
[00:21:35] Investors understand this is a new time.
[00:21:38] You need to be aligned with Russia. And
[00:21:41] the number one thing you can't do,
[00:21:42] Donald Trump has said this many times
[00:21:44] over the years, is allow Russia and
[00:21:46] China to become a block because if you
[00:21:48] do, then you are facing off against the
[00:21:50] majority of the world's population, the
[00:21:52] biggest population block in the world,
[00:21:54] the biggest land mass in the world, and
[00:21:56] the biggest economy in the world if you
[00:21:58] combine those two. So you can't do that.
[00:22:01] And it's pretty clear that the last
[00:22:03] administration
[00:22:05] intentionally drove Russia into an
[00:22:08] alliance with China, which they now
[00:22:09] have.
[00:22:11] Just to be really clear, just to bottom
[00:22:12] line it, if Donald Trump wants to commit
[00:22:15] one act as president that will secure
[00:22:17] him a place in history forever
[00:22:21] as a hero, it would be to bring Russia
[00:22:25] back into alliance with the United
[00:22:27] States. Oh, Russia's bad, right? kind of
[00:22:30] hard to say that after Venezuela and
[00:22:32] it's tiresome anyway.
[00:22:34] No, Russia is not bad or good. Russia is
[00:22:38] essential to the United States. We
[00:22:41] cannot survive a global conflict if
[00:22:44] Russia and China are aligned against us.
[00:22:48] Period.
[00:22:50] And it couldn't be more simple and it
[00:22:53] shouldn't be very hard at this point
[00:22:56] to
[00:22:58] make that deal. There is no reason to
[00:23:01] pay any attention to the unelected
[00:23:04] leader of Ukraine. Now, the obstacle in
[00:23:07] the way is not geostrategic. There is no
[00:23:10] argument for continuing a proxy war,
[00:23:12] which is what it is. United States
[00:23:14] versus Russia. We've been at war for
[00:23:16] four years. All of us are pretending
[00:23:17] we're not. we are.
[00:23:19] There's no reason to continue that on
[00:23:21] the basis of America's national
[00:23:23] interest. That is not in our interest
[00:23:24] and it never has been in our interest.
[00:23:25] And by the way, Russia is a Christian
[00:23:27] country, a remarkable country, a very
[00:23:29] serious country
[00:23:32] that we have a lot in common with
[00:23:33] whether you like it or not. Oh, he's
[00:23:35] bad. Okay, stop.
[00:23:38] We need Russia. And the only reason we
[00:23:41] are not in alliance with Russia is
[00:23:42] because the foreign policy establishment
[00:23:44] in the United States, the weapons
[00:23:45] manufacturers, and particularly the
[00:23:47] neocons believe that they somehow own
[00:23:49] Russia or want to retake Russia or
[00:23:51] something. And Putin is in the way. He
[00:23:53] kicked out the oligarchs.
[00:23:55] That was gravely offensive to the
[00:23:59] American finance establishment and to
[00:24:00] the American foreign policy
[00:24:02] establishment and acted on his own
[00:24:04] country's behalf. Whatever. None of that
[00:24:06] even matters at this point. Ignore these
[00:24:08] people. He has to be our enemy. No, if
[00:24:11] Putin is our enemy, if Russia is our
[00:24:13] enemy, we cannot survive a global
[00:24:15] conflict. Sorry. And if you think we can
[00:24:18] tell us how, with the help of NATO,
[00:24:20] which by the way is now done, NATO is
[00:24:23] done. Once the United States takes
[00:24:26] Greenland, which is owned by a fellow
[00:24:29] NATO member, what will be the rationale
[00:24:32] for keeping NATO? The whole illusion has
[00:24:34] shattered in the past 4 days. None of
[00:24:38] this is real. and now everyone admits
[00:24:40] it's not real. So, it's time to start
[00:24:41] thinking about the next step. The third
[00:24:44] thing to remember is that a functioning
[00:24:47] empire benefits from the empire.
[00:24:52] Rome at its height was a gleaming,
[00:24:55] clean, prosperous city. Rome benefited
[00:24:58] in the end, of course, it was destroyed
[00:24:59] by its empire. It was invaded by the
[00:25:02] people it had subdued and that is
[00:25:05] ultimately the fate of all empires, all
[00:25:06] of them. London is filled with former
[00:25:08] colonial subjects. That's what that is.
[00:25:10] And that will happen to every empire.
[00:25:13] But in the meantime, the point is to
[00:25:16] help the seat of empire. And so if you
[00:25:20] can't fix Baltimore,
[00:25:22] you don't really have a shot of making
[00:25:25] Caracus functional. And so as you
[00:25:29] administer this empire, you need to
[00:25:31] remember the point of this
[00:25:35] is your own country. Making your own
[00:25:37] country more prosperous, but also stable
[00:25:39] and cleaner and better for its own
[00:25:41] citizens. It can't just be, oh, Paul
[00:25:44] Singer gets rich, therefore it's a good
[00:25:45] thing. No, no, no. All Americans, not
[00:25:48] just Paul Singer, have to benefit from
[00:25:50] this. And they can, and they absolutely
[00:25:51] can. And the president, to his great
[00:25:53] credit, has made a huge effort to clean
[00:25:57] up American cities. Washington DC, for
[00:25:59] example. People mocked him for sending
[00:26:01] the National Guard in. Washington is
[00:26:02] safer. It's just a fact. He did that.
[00:26:05] The last guy didn't do that. Trump did
[00:26:07] that. Keep doing that. Remember, an
[00:26:10] empire should be impressive. Not just
[00:26:14] its satellites or its colonies, but the
[00:26:17] but the mother country should be
[00:26:19] impressive. And ours can be. It is
[00:26:21] inherently, but the point of this is to
[00:26:24] help us.
[00:26:27] And the last thing to remember about
[00:26:29] being an empire is that it can corrupt
[00:26:31] you. And this is the fate ultimately of
[00:26:36] all empires. They are corrupted by the
[00:26:38] imperial project. And they become
[00:26:40] coarser.
[00:26:42] As Rome grew, as its territory grew, so
[00:26:46] do the number of people dying in Circus
[00:26:48] Maximus.
[00:26:51] So that does happen over time, but fight
[00:26:53] back against it. You want to retain the
[00:26:58] fundamental decency of your country even
[00:27:00] as you expand, as you take Greenland,
[00:27:03] take Venezuela, wherever else we're
[00:27:04] going, you need to remember we are
[00:27:09] decent people and we're going to
[00:27:11] continue to live as though we are with
[00:27:14] dignity. you are not going to become
[00:27:16] hardened
[00:27:18] by the violence that you sometimes
[00:27:20] commit on other populations. And that is
[00:27:23] really difficult to maintain.
[00:27:26] And you see this even in Washington. You
[00:27:28] saw this in fact 5 years ago yesterday
[00:27:31] when Ashley Babbot was shot in the chest
[00:27:32] for doing nothing. An unarmed woman, an
[00:27:34] Air Force veteran, murdered by James
[00:27:37] Bird in the Capitol building. And
[00:27:40] nothing happened.
[00:27:42] And the reason nothing happened, the
[00:27:43] reason the guy who shot Ashley Babbot,
[00:27:46] who'd already been disciplined for
[00:27:47] leading a loaded handgun in the men's
[00:27:49] room, so he had a documented record of
[00:27:52] recklessness, there was no reason to
[00:27:54] kill her. She posed no conceivable
[00:27:55] threat to him. But the reason that
[00:27:57] nothing ever happened is because there
[00:28:01] were almost no members of Congress who
[00:28:02] thought it was a big deal. Now, why is
[00:28:05] that? Why would members of Congress, 535
[00:28:07] members of Congress, why would are they
[00:28:09] uniquely hard-hearted?
[00:28:11] Well, they are actually. And why is
[00:28:13] that? Because they spend a huge portion
[00:28:17] of their day every single day talking
[00:28:20] and thinking about killing people in
[00:28:22] other countries. And if you watch enough
[00:28:25] snuff videos of the US military taking
[00:28:27] out this or that bad guy, after a while
[00:28:30] it ins you.
[00:28:32] After a while, it's not such a big deal
[00:28:34] to kill somebody.
[00:28:37] And you can make a case for that if
[00:28:38] there are foreigners who threaten you.
[00:28:40] You can never make a case for the US
[00:28:42] government casually killing Americans.
[00:28:45] All of us should be offended by that
[00:28:46] every single time. And we should push
[00:28:48] back against it. Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[00:28:49] I'm not a Houthy. Don't treat me like
[00:28:51] one. I'm not a Venezuelan. Stop.
[00:28:55] Americans have to remember that the
[00:28:57] point of this exercise is to secure the
[00:29:01] homeland and everything good about it.
[00:29:04] And one of the very best things about
[00:29:07] the United States is the regard that
[00:29:08] Americans have for human life and for
[00:29:10] dogs. There's a sweetness and a
[00:29:12] sentimentality to Americans that would
[00:29:15] be sad as hell if we lost.
[00:29:18] Don't allow the killing that takes place
[00:29:21] overseas to make you think it's okay for
[00:29:24] the US government to treat you that way.
[00:29:28] But they naturally do. And it's one of
[00:29:30] the reasons, and I hate even to say
[00:29:33] this, but I've just noticed it from
[00:29:35] living around it for so long, that some
[00:29:37] of the most authoritarian members of
[00:29:39] Congress,
[00:29:41] almost all of them actually, are career
[00:29:43] military officers, not enlisted, they're
[00:29:45] all officers, but they're career
[00:29:48] officers who spend an awful lot of time
[00:29:51] thinking about how to kill America's
[00:29:53] enemies or rivals. Not even attacking
[00:29:56] that. That was their job. But that
[00:29:58] attitude seamlessly transfers to
[00:30:01] American citizens. And our government is
[00:30:05] never allowed to have that attitude
[00:30:08] toward us. Again, we're not Houthis. We
[00:30:12] have rights because we're citizens.
[00:30:14] You serve at our pleasure. We own this
[00:30:18] government. You may say you own
[00:30:20] Venezuela.
[00:30:22] Okay? You don't own me. I own you
[00:30:26] because I'm the citizen and you're the
[00:30:28] servant. That posture is essential and
[00:30:32] very hard to keep up during the empire
[00:30:36] phase of civilization. Very, very hard
[00:30:39] because again, there are a lot fewer
[00:30:43] meaningful democratic structures in an
[00:30:45] empire. Nobody cares about the Congress
[00:30:47] anymore. It's all about the president.
[00:30:48] And that's great when you have a great
[00:30:49] president and hopefully we always will
[00:30:51] because once again so much power has
[00:30:54] been vested in that office that at this
[00:30:56] point you kind of can't let AOC have it
[00:30:59] because you can't let any irresponsible
[00:31:03] person who like hates whites or believes
[00:31:05] in transgenderism or wants to destroy
[00:31:08] America. People like that cannot be
[00:31:10] president, period, anymore
[00:31:13] because there's so much power now in the
[00:31:15] presidency that they could do the kind
[00:31:19] of damage you don't even want to think
[00:31:20] about. But you have to push back against
[00:31:24] an imperial government treating you like
[00:31:26] a subject. And there is no issue on
[00:31:30] which this is clearer than free speech,
[00:31:32] which once again is the basis of our
[00:31:34] country. It's not just some line in the
[00:31:36] Bill of Rights. It's the whole reason
[00:31:38] the United States is exceptional.
[00:31:42] And that's clearer than it's ever been
[00:31:44] because the country that gave us the
[00:31:46] concept of free speech, Great Britain,
[00:31:48] puts thousands of people in jail every
[00:31:50] single year for thought crimes. And so
[00:31:54] it's not like this is a distant they
[00:31:55] only do it in China or North Korea kind
[00:31:57] of problem. This is happening in the
[00:31:59] country that gave birth to us, Great
[00:32:00] Britain. It could very easily happen
[00:32:02] here. And the only way that it won't is
[00:32:05] if American citizens draw a line in the
[00:32:08] sand and say, "You will have a revolt if
[00:32:10] you take away my right to say what I
[00:32:12] think." Period. You will have a revolt
[00:32:15] on your hands. And they should because
[00:32:18] that is the only remaining power for
[00:32:19] most American citizens. They don't have
[00:32:21] economic power. Of course, the power of
[00:32:22] labor is basically gone. AI will erode
[00:32:25] it still further. We're going to go on
[00:32:27] strike. Who cares? You're being replaced
[00:32:29] by machines. Shut up. They don't have
[00:32:31] economic power. Does voting matter? You
[00:32:34] know, we can debate that. Most people
[00:32:36] kind of doubt that it does. So, what
[00:32:38] power do you have left? What's the
[00:32:40] equalizer here? There's the guy in
[00:32:41] charge. There's you, the subject.
[00:32:43] [snorts] What makes you both human? Only
[00:32:45] one thing. That's your inaliable,
[00:32:48] God-given right to say what you really
[00:32:50] think. No matter how kooky your opinion
[00:32:52] is, no matter how offensive it may be to
[00:32:54] the people in charge, you have an
[00:32:55] absolute right. inaliable mean it can't
[00:32:58] be taken from you because it wasn't
[00:33:00] granted to you by any temporal
[00:33:01] authority. you have that. If you give
[00:33:03] that up, you are a slave. And not
[00:33:07] surprisingly at all, given the way these
[00:33:09] things roll, given this new era that
[00:33:11] we're in, all of a sudden you are
[00:33:14] hearing calls, not just from the left,
[00:33:17] not even primarily from the left, to end
[00:33:20] the freedom of speech in the United
[00:33:22] States. And this is the red line. Here's
[00:33:24] one example. This, I think, was on CNBC
[00:33:27] New Year's Day. Watch this. I know it's
[00:33:29] difficult to hear, but it's time to
[00:33:31] limit the first amendment in order to
[00:33:34] protect it and quickly before it's too
[00:33:37] late.
[00:33:38] >> What do you mean?
[00:33:39] >> I mean that uh we need to uh control the
[00:33:42] platforms uh all the social platforms.
[00:33:45] We need to stack rank the h
[00:33:49] authenticity of every person that h
[00:33:52] expresses themselves online and take uh
[00:33:56] control over what they are saying based
[00:33:59] on that ranking. The government should
[00:34:02] social media. Yeah.
[00:34:06] So, here's a foreigner coming to our
[00:34:09] country and saying with a straight face,
[00:34:11] "You need to get rid of the First
[00:34:14] Amendment because people are using it to
[00:34:16] criticize my country." Sitting on a TV
[00:34:19] set in New York City lecturing a country
[00:34:22] that's not his own about how they're not
[00:34:24] allowed to criticize him and the
[00:34:26] government should punish them for doing
[00:34:28] it. It's been a lot of noise in the news
[00:34:31] recently, but none of it matters if you
[00:34:33] can't hear it. There's no shame in this.
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[00:35:45] Cheeky doesn't begin to describe it, but
[00:35:47] he is a foreigner, right? So, okay, you
[00:35:51] could say, well, he just doesn't know
[00:35:52] what the rules are. He's obviously got a
[00:35:54] lot of brass to say something like that.
[00:35:55] A lot of hutzbah to say something like
[00:35:56] that, but who cares? I mean, yes, he's a
[00:35:58] billionaire. There are a lot of Israeli
[00:36:01] billionaires who've been calling in an
[00:36:03] Israeli prime minister for censorship in
[00:36:05] the United States and it's offensive and
[00:36:06] we should obviously stop giving them any
[00:36:08] money. We shouldn't be paying for that.
[00:36:11] But they're still not Americans. Oh, but
[00:36:13] there are Americans saying that. Here's
[00:36:15] one actually happens a career US
[00:36:18] military officer called Jay Collins.
[00:36:20] This man is the lieutenant governor of
[00:36:24] Florida, which is the most conservative
[00:36:27] state in the union. If you ask Jay
[00:36:28] Collins, "What are your politics?" You
[00:36:30] say, "Oh, of course I'm straight MAGA
[00:36:32] Republican. I'm a conservative. I share
[00:36:33] your values."
[00:36:36] This is real. We check. This is not AI.
[00:36:37] Watch. Here's Jay Collins of Florida.
[00:36:39] And here's a critical thing. You have a
[00:36:41] right to free speech, but you don't have
[00:36:43] the right to harm other people with your
[00:36:45] words. And you don't have the right to
[00:36:47] say things that have really negative,
[00:36:50] really horrible meanings. When you want
[00:36:52] people to destroy Israel, that matters.
[00:36:56] Oh, you don't have the right to say
[00:36:59] things that people in charge don't like.
[00:37:02] You don't. That's the whole point. If
[00:37:06] you don't have that right, you are a
[00:37:08] slave and Jay Collins is your master.
[00:37:13] Notice, by the way, he didn't say you
[00:37:15] can't attack America. That's totally
[00:37:17] fine. Jay Collins, military officer. No,
[00:37:20] no, you can't attack Israel. You can't
[00:37:22] call for the destruction of Israel.
[00:37:23] Well, of course you can call for the
[00:37:24] destruction of any foreign country you
[00:37:25] want. It's a staple on Fox News.
[00:37:30] Lindsey Graham does it every single day.
[00:37:31] You just can't you can't call for
[00:37:33] destruction of Israel. And that's a
[00:37:35] crime.
[00:37:37] Of course, it's not a crime. It may be
[00:37:39] an ugly opinion. It may be an
[00:37:41] unsustainable argument. You may be an
[00:37:42] idiot. You have a god-given right to
[00:37:45] that opinion and a god-given right to
[00:37:47] express it. And this is the only country
[00:37:49] on planet Earth where you still can. And
[00:37:51] again, if they try and take that away,
[00:37:53] you need to have an insurrection against
[00:37:55] the government because you're done at
[00:37:57] that point. An insurrection against the
[00:37:58] government if they try and take away
[00:38:00] your right to say what you think, your
[00:38:03] right to your own conscience. Period.
[00:38:05] That that has to be it right there. It's
[00:38:08] fine to attack America, but you can
[00:38:10] attack Israel. This is by the way part
[00:38:14] of the problem with administering an
[00:38:16] empire is that a lot of people and Jay
[00:38:18] Collins clearly one of them might be
[00:38:20] good people might be right about a lot
[00:38:22] of different things but they come to
[00:38:23] identify so strongly with foreign
[00:38:25] countries that they forget about their
[00:38:27] own. This was a huge problem during the
[00:38:28] British Empire. There were tons of
[00:38:31] colonial military officers and
[00:38:33] administrators who spent their careers
[00:38:36] in India and kind of cared a lot more
[00:38:40] about what happened on the subcontinent.
[00:38:41] they cared about in England because
[00:38:42] that's where they spent their lives.
[00:38:44] Those are the problems they they spent
[00:38:46] their career solving. So they went up
[00:38:48] identifying with foreign countries more
[00:38:50] than their own. This is absolutely a
[00:38:53] feature of empire. Hard to fight against
[00:38:56] but it's essential that we do fight
[00:38:57] against it. No, what matters is the
[00:39:00] United States. That's who's paying for
[00:39:01] this. That's who's in whose name these
[00:39:04] actions are being conducted.
[00:39:07] The only justification for any of this
[00:39:09] is to serve American citizens. Not the
[00:39:12] citizens of Israel or Sri Lanka or any
[00:39:14] other place, Venezuela,
[00:39:17] but America.
[00:39:19] So, you'd think this would all be very
[00:39:21] very obvious, but somehow,
[00:39:24] and actually called around on this and
[00:39:25] was told, "Oh, it's not a real
[00:39:26] position." But there is a there's a
[00:39:27] current administration official like an
[00:39:30] actual official in the executive branch
[00:39:32] right now
[00:39:34] who's making this case that Americans
[00:39:36] actually don't have oh they have a first
[00:39:38] amendment but it turns out that actually
[00:39:40] you can't say anything I don't like or
[00:39:42] else you go to jail. This guy's name is
[00:39:45] Rabbi. I don't think he actually has a
[00:39:46] congregation. He's I don't know if he's
[00:39:48] I don't know what it means to be a
[00:39:49] rabbi. I don't think he actually runs a
[00:39:50] congregation. Yehuda Kaplon
[00:39:53] actually met him. Seems like a nice guy.
[00:39:55] But here are his views.
[00:39:57] And you should keep in mind that the
[00:39:59] views you're about to hear are much much
[00:40:04] more common than you may realize. Here
[00:40:07] he is.
[00:40:08] >> The amount of hate speech that we've
[00:40:10] seen during this time, I mean, it's it's
[00:40:12] off the charts. You look through social
[00:40:14] media, you see it even on uh television,
[00:40:17] the the lines, they're not even blurred
[00:40:18] anymore. They're gone. How do you even
[00:40:20] begin to to tackle such a a phenomenon?
[00:40:23] Well, I think we have to have an
[00:40:24] understanding that first of all, in this
[00:40:26] country, we believe very strongly in
[00:40:28] free speech. It's the basis in our
[00:40:30] constitution and we also believe in the
[00:40:34] freedom of religion. You have to balance
[00:40:36] that. But you balance that in two ways.
[00:40:39] Europe has paid speech laws, probably
[00:40:41] some of the best on the books, but it's
[00:40:43] selectively enforced. So, if you
[00:40:45] selectively enforce the rule, it's not
[00:40:48] going to have any effect whatsoever. And
[00:40:50] you can see how it's had no effect in
[00:40:52] Europe in monitoring and stopping the
[00:40:54] hate.
[00:40:56] >> So this guy is something called the
[00:40:57] anti-semitisms are. It's an office set
[00:41:00] up by George W. Bush like most insane
[00:41:03] unjustifiable things. Anti-semitisms are
[00:41:06] at the State Department focused on one
[00:41:08] specific kind of ethnic hate, not
[00:41:10] protecting all Americans.
[00:41:13] There is no like stop anti-white hate
[00:41:16] zar of course and there never will be
[00:41:17] because the same people who are upset
[00:41:20] about hate are promoting that kind of
[00:41:21] hate. But whatever it's one specific
[00:41:24] group protected somehow by the United
[00:41:27] States state department. But this is a
[00:41:31] guy who actually has a job in the
[00:41:33] administration saying it's great.
[00:41:36] European hate crimes laws are great.
[00:41:38] Well, first of all, every single one of
[00:41:40] them is immoral.
[00:41:43] And two, they're all contrary to the
[00:41:46] first amendment. You couldn't have laws
[00:41:47] like that here. And three, when you
[00:41:49] actually look at those laws that Rabbi
[00:41:52] Yehuda Kaplon is saying are so great,
[00:41:57] they're used to suppress Christianity.
[00:41:59] That's what they actually are, of
[00:42:00] course. And creativity and freedom of
[00:42:02] thought and individual conscience and
[00:42:04] the humanity of the populations of
[00:42:06] European countries, all suppressed by
[00:42:08] this. But Christianity is always number
[00:42:10] one. So in Finland, for example, one of
[00:42:12] the lead opposition political leaders is
[00:42:14] now on trial. Why? Why is she on trial?
[00:42:18] Because she tweeted a quote from Romans,
[00:42:22] the epistle to the Romans by St. Paul.
[00:42:24] You may have heard of it. It's a
[00:42:25] significant book in the New Testament.
[00:42:28] And in it, he describes basic Christian
[00:42:30] sexual ethics. You know, like one man,
[00:42:32] one woman
[00:42:34] against other forms of sexual
[00:42:37] expression. That's Christianity.
[00:42:41] And that was deemed a hate crime under
[00:42:43] the law, under those European hate
[00:42:45] crimes laws, hate speech laws that Rabbi
[00:42:48] Yehuda Kaplon is saying we should
[00:42:50] emulate, but maybe enforce a little
[00:42:52] tougher, more selectively.
[00:42:56] This is what will destroy the country
[00:42:59] and divide the country and make people
[00:43:01] hate each other. Whenever the US
[00:43:02] government protects
[00:43:05] one group and allows others to be
[00:43:07] attacked, whenever the US government
[00:43:09] promotes one group and suppresses
[00:43:11] another group, it's primopacia unfair.
[00:43:15] But it's also the most divisive thing
[00:43:16] you could ever do to any country. If you
[00:43:19] treated your children differently, they
[00:43:22] wouldn't hate you. They'd hate each
[00:43:23] other. And every parent knows that. So
[00:43:26] all of this stuff is corrosive to the
[00:43:29] United States at exactly the moment when
[00:43:31] national cohesion is going to be
[00:43:33] essential because there is a rocky road
[00:43:35] ahead. That's very obvious. And here you
[00:43:37] have an administration official calling
[00:43:39] for hate crimes laws. So the answer has
[00:43:42] to be no. And it has to be no now more
[00:43:46] than ever because once again we're
[00:43:48] entering into a brand new phase with new
[00:43:52] rules and all of us are going to have to
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[00:45:07] Someone who has watched this more
[00:45:09] carefully than almost anyone I know and
[00:45:11] whose instincts are
[00:45:14] admirable and wise uh is Megan Kelly.
[00:45:18] And so I want to bring her in now to get
[00:45:20] her sense of what exactly Venezuela
[00:45:23] means. Megan, thanks so much for doing
[00:45:24] this. I have a million questions for
[00:45:25] you, but first I you you said right
[00:45:28] after Maduro got grabbed that you
[00:45:30] weren't exactly sure, you were
[00:45:31] skeptical. What are your views of it
[00:45:33] now?
[00:45:35] Yeah, still skeptical. Um I said I'm not
[00:45:37] on a green light posture on this. I'm
[00:45:40] not on a red light. I'm on a yellow. And
[00:45:42] uh I don't I don't love it. I got to be
[00:45:44] honest. I first of all would prefer we
[00:45:46] use our military defensively and not
[00:45:48] offensively, which may be anacronistic,
[00:45:51] but I'm not really in the mindset at
[00:45:54] all, especially now with three kids who
[00:45:56] are two out of three in their teens, of
[00:46:00] being super bellose in our language or
[00:46:03] our approach to the world. And I I don't
[00:46:06] really see this as necessary. I don't
[00:46:07] see this one as necessary. I understand
[00:46:10] what Trump is saying is the reason, and
[00:46:11] I too appreciate the honesty. I actually
[00:46:13] appreciate that we're not cloaking it in
[00:46:15] democracy like we wanted the oil. He he
[00:46:18] was really explicit and we didn't want
[00:46:20] them playing footsie with China and Iran
[00:46:23] and Cuba. U okay so at least he's being
[00:46:26] honest about it. But I worry very much
[00:46:29] about unintended consequences and you
[00:46:33] know I I realize it's not Libya, it's
[00:46:35] Venezuela, but okay, couple things
[00:46:38] happened in Libya. First of all, when we
[00:46:40] [snorts] killed their leader, it's been
[00:46:42] chaos ever since. And I see the same
[00:46:45] sort of power vacuum there potentially,
[00:46:47] even with this vice president left in
[00:46:48] place that happened in Libya. I don't
[00:46:50] think we actually are going to run
[00:46:51] Venezuela Venezuela because we don't
[00:46:53] want to and we don't want to have a
[00:46:55] long-term presence there. So, I do
[00:46:56] wonder what the power vacuum will be.
[00:46:58] I'm not so sure this vice president is
[00:47:00] going to be able to rule there with the
[00:47:01] same iron fist as Maduro. I don't know
[00:47:04] what's going to happen. Um, but I also
[00:47:06] think about what happened in Libya.
[00:47:08] Tucker, when we were even younger, um,
[00:47:10] and that's when you and I were in
[00:47:12] college and for the years prior to that,
[00:47:14] Libya was doing some bad things in the
[00:47:16] world. They were they bombed the
[00:47:17] nightclub in Berlin and some Americans
[00:47:20] got killed and Reagan then bombed them
[00:47:23] and we were sort of ratcheting up. It
[00:47:25] wasn't an outright war with Libya, but
[00:47:27] we were escalating tensions here and
[00:47:28] there with them. And the next thing we
[00:47:30] knew, we just sort of thought we had
[00:47:31] settled the matter because we are the
[00:47:32] big bad United States and once we sort
[00:47:34] of bomb you, you're supposed to go away
[00:47:36] and realize it's going to get worse for
[00:47:37] you. But what Libya actually did was
[00:47:40] they planted a bomb on Panm 103 and
[00:47:44] brought down that flight over Lockerby,
[00:47:46] Scotland, killing 259 people, most of
[00:47:48] whom were American, including 35
[00:47:51] students from Syracuse University, where
[00:47:54] I was going to school as a freshman. And
[00:47:57] every year I was there for four years,
[00:47:59] we had the memorial honoring those 35
[00:48:02] 18 and 19 year olds who had been
[00:48:04] studying abroad in London and had been
[00:48:06] killed over Scotland on their way home
[00:48:08] from their study abroad program because
[00:48:10] of this these little sort of power
[00:48:12] battles that had happened that weren't
[00:48:13] supposed to mean anything. We're
[00:48:14] supposed to be just sort of asserting
[00:48:16] our power and teaching somebody a
[00:48:18] lesson. Did anybody anticipate that? I
[00:48:22] don't think so. Okay. You know,
[00:48:24] Venezuela is not Libya. It's not full of
[00:48:26] a bunch of Middle Eastern potential
[00:48:28] terrorists, but it's not it's not great.
[00:48:30] Like, they've got a bunch of gangs down
[00:48:32] there who have zero problem killing
[00:48:34] Americans. Let's check in with Trenda
[00:48:36] Aragua. Let's check in with um Lake and
[00:48:39] Riley's family to find out whether they
[00:48:42] have any empathy for Americans. Doesn't
[00:48:44] seem so. And I don't know what faction
[00:48:47] of that group we're ticking off right
[00:48:50] now with our behavior and going in there
[00:48:51] and saying, "The oil's now ours. We're
[00:48:53] going to sell it." you know, we'll give
[00:48:55] you a piece of it, but we're taking it.
[00:48:57] So, I really do worry about unintended
[00:48:59] consequences, and I object to empire. I
[00:49:01] I much prefer the way we started with
[00:49:04] the original George Washington. Let's
[00:49:06] avoid foreign entanglements.
[00:49:09] Let's not cozy up too much to any one
[00:49:11] country. Let's enjoy the beautiful
[00:49:13] blessing of the two huge oceans on
[00:49:14] either side. I don't want to have to
[00:49:16] take care of Venezuela. I really don't.
[00:49:19] I'm not particularly worried about them
[00:49:21] cozying up too much to China and Russia,
[00:49:23] neither of whom are in a position right
[00:49:24] now to attack us. Uh, and don't I don't
[00:49:26] think they have a reason to attack us at
[00:49:28] the moment. So, I I don't like it. I
[00:49:31] still support Trump obviously, but I
[00:49:33] don't think this is something he ran on
[00:49:35] at all. I think he actually ran on the
[00:49:37] opposite promise that we weren't going
[00:49:38] to be doing this stuff. I don't think
[00:49:40] anybody who voted for him was thinking
[00:49:41] about this when we voted for him.
[00:49:44] Everyone's rooting for him. everyone
[00:49:46] who's sane and, you know,
[00:49:47] independent-minded.
[00:49:49] Um, but this is a massive distraction
[00:49:51] from where his attentions should be in
[00:49:54] my view, which as you point out are
[00:49:55] rightly Baltimore and other cities that
[00:49:58] are genuinely suffering. And I think if
[00:50:01] we roll into these midterms, you know,
[00:50:02] he gave a big speech before the
[00:50:03] Republicans in Congress yesterday about
[00:50:05] we need to win the midterms. If we roll
[00:50:07] into these midterms and we have a year
[00:50:10] almost of Trump focusing on running
[00:50:12] Venezuela
[00:50:14] as the so-called affordability message
[00:50:16] is ubiquitous in the left string press
[00:50:18] every day. It's not going to help. He's
[00:50:20] going to lose control of the House. I
[00:50:22] don't think the Republicans will lose
[00:50:23] the Senate, but we're going to have
[00:50:25] non-stop two years of investigations.
[00:50:27] And look, Trump hasn't been doing a
[00:50:29] great job of getting his agenda pushed
[00:50:30] through as legislation the first year
[00:50:34] because, as it turns out, you really do
[00:50:35] need 60 senators now in order to act
[00:50:38] enact legislation unless you get rid of
[00:50:39] the filibuster. Um, so think how we'll
[00:50:42] do when Republicans don't even control
[00:50:44] the House. We will have absolutely no
[00:50:47] laws passed, which Tucker will only feed
[00:50:49] into what you're talking about, which is
[00:50:51] this idea of empire and the executive
[00:50:54] branch growing bigger and bigger. He's
[00:50:56] already rendered Congress almost
[00:50:58] irrelevant. They'll become even more so
[00:51:00] with the Democrats in control of the
[00:51:02] House because all they're going to be
[00:51:04] doing is snipping at his heels trying to
[00:51:05] investigate everything he does, but they
[00:51:07] won't even be relevant in terms of
[00:51:08] potentially passing legislation because
[00:51:10] it'll be an absolute no-brainer. Nothing
[00:51:12] will happen. The executive branch will
[00:51:14] grow. And okay, maybe I can get, you
[00:51:16] know, comfortable with Empire if I must
[00:51:18] if we're thinking about a JD Vance. But
[00:51:21] we we are not going to have a Republican
[00:51:23] in the White House forever. Never mind
[00:51:25] the right Republican in the ha in the
[00:51:27] White House forever. We are going to
[00:51:29] wind up with a Gavin Nuome one of these
[00:51:32] days or an AOC
[00:51:34] and then what? And by the way, even if
[00:51:36] we move on from Trump or a JD type, you
[00:51:40] know, president just and stick with like
[00:51:42] Republican, who's going to run the
[00:51:44] empire? Like what if we wind up with a
[00:51:46] Mitt Romney? What do what do we do with
[00:51:48] Venezuela then? What if the collapse
[00:51:51] happens then because we no longer have a
[00:51:53] strong hand at on the tiller the way we
[00:51:56] might with Trump here? What chaos will
[00:51:59] ensue? We just I don't think we have an
[00:52:01] accurate feel for what we've unleashed
[00:52:03] and I again I think it was unnecessary.
[00:52:07] >> I I think you make a strong case. Um
[00:52:10] I've I've thought all of that. I don't
[00:52:11] think I articulated it quite as well as
[00:52:13] you just did. And of course I'm I'm
[00:52:14] totally opposed to Empire 2. kind of for
[00:52:16] an agrarian society with no electricity
[00:52:18] is, you know, small communities. I'm
[00:52:21] serious. I mean it.
[00:52:22] >> But we're not in charge. And so this is
[00:52:25] a new system. Clearly, we're moving
[00:52:26] toward it. At some point, this president
[00:52:28] or some president is going to start
[00:52:30] ignoring the courts, too.
[00:52:32] >> And you're going to have just total
[00:52:34] power in the executive. And there's a
[00:52:36] lot of evidence that the emerging
[00:52:38] America demographically wants that. I
[00:52:40] mean, that's the case in most countries,
[00:52:41] and it will be the case here probably.
[00:52:42] I'm not endorsing that at all. I'm just
[00:52:44] sort of looking ahead generally
[00:52:45] generationally and we're going to get
[00:52:47] we're going to get something like that.
[00:52:48] So given that I I feel like you need to
[00:52:52] make smart decision, wise decisions with
[00:52:54] the future in mind always, especially
[00:52:57] now and there all these ghouls who've
[00:53:00] somehow attached themselves like
[00:53:02] barnacles to the executive branch like
[00:53:04] Mark Leavvin
[00:53:06] and Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz
[00:53:09] screeching about how okay that was a
[00:53:11] great success 4 days ago. Now we need to
[00:53:13] roll into Tyrron. Do you think that will
[00:53:15] happen?
[00:53:17] >> Oh yeah. I mean it's like you watch
[00:53:19] Lindsey Graham. It's like he's got the
[00:53:20] taste of blood in his mouth and he's
[00:53:22] excited. I mean he's practically
[00:53:24] frothing. It was disturbing. And you
[00:53:27] know this is who for right now Trump is
[00:53:29] surrounding himself with. You know you
[00:53:31] had Lindsey Graham on Air Force One with
[00:53:33] him. You had Levin at the White House
[00:53:35] with his arm around Trump almost trying
[00:53:37] to like manhandle him like sort of
[00:53:39] assert power over Trump like kind of
[00:53:41] pulling him in. And you know Trump
[00:53:43] doesn't like that. Even when you shake
[00:53:44] hands with Trump he makes sure he's in
[00:53:46] command and he's in the dominant
[00:53:47] position. But Mark Leavvin goes in there
[00:53:49] and almost tries to emasculate him like
[00:53:51] with the arm around like this is my guy
[00:53:53] >> which is exactly the wrong messaging to
[00:53:55] allow and to send in Levin's case. So it
[00:53:58] is disturbing like how close not just
[00:54:01] the neocon I think there there are some
[00:54:02] normal neocons like I would consider
[00:54:04] probably
[00:54:05] >> you know Britt Hume is probably neoconie
[00:54:08] some of my pals over at national review
[00:54:09] are neo but they're not frothing at the
[00:54:11] mouth crazy for blood neocons that's
[00:54:13] right
[00:54:14] >> I mean what what's it Lindsey Graham
[00:54:16] stands for is deeply disturbing to me
[00:54:18] and that stuff about the ayatollah like
[00:54:21] you know our president is going to come
[00:54:22] kill you would you just stop like you
[00:54:23] said just hey as far as I know Lindsey
[00:54:26] Graham doesn't have teenaged children
[00:54:28] who are going to have to go fight his
[00:54:30] war he now wants against Iran. But I do
[00:54:33] and you have kids in their 20s and some
[00:54:35] of us actually have a real stake in
[00:54:37] making sure that does not happen. We do
[00:54:39] not want that. It's again unnecessary.
[00:54:42] So it it's really kind of getting crazy.
[00:54:44] And I also think you're right about the
[00:54:47] alarming increase in military budget.
[00:54:50] What is the reason for that? Trump's
[00:54:52] speaking in a disturbing way about
[00:54:53] Greenland. Um, my hope is that all the
[00:54:56] talk about Greenland, because even
[00:54:57] yesterday, Caroline Levit was saying
[00:54:59] military options are still on the table
[00:55:01] if that's what the president wants
[00:55:02] explicitly about Greenland, um, that
[00:55:06] he's just asking for a 10 where he
[00:55:08] intends to settle for a six, which is
[00:55:11] I'm going to scare you so that you
[00:55:13] actually will cut a better deal with me
[00:55:14] on your raw earth minerals and give me
[00:55:16] more access to your country if I need it
[00:55:19] for those andor military purposes. But
[00:55:22] obviously we can't go around invading
[00:55:24] Greenland. We can't go around invading
[00:55:26] any countries. We can't go invade Cuba.
[00:55:29] He mentioned them. We can't go invade
[00:55:31] Iran. We we cannot go invade Colombia or
[00:55:34] just kick the guy's ass as Trump is
[00:55:36] saying and not expect any negative
[00:55:39] consequences to us. Like we are actually
[00:55:42] are rebuilding the economy. Trump is
[00:55:44] rolling back regulations. He's allowing
[00:55:46] modern business to thrive. The tariffs,
[00:55:48] I think, have not worked out too poorly
[00:55:50] and I think have a very good shot of
[00:55:52] working out even better. Interest rates
[00:55:53] are coming down. Inflation is coming
[00:55:56] down. Why can't we just roll that agenda
[00:55:58] into a stronger economy than ever come
[00:56:01] midterms and maybe possibly win more
[00:56:04] seats in the House such that Trump and
[00:56:06] may, you know, God even knows convince
[00:56:08] some senators to vote Republican uh when
[00:56:10] a vote comes up and actually enact an
[00:56:12] agenda that could stick and that could
[00:56:14] be popular and stop worrying about being
[00:56:16] policemen of the world, worrying about
[00:56:18] the bad. Of course, there are bad guys.
[00:56:20] We know there are bad guys in Cuba. We
[00:56:22] know the guy who runs Colombia is not
[00:56:23] great. We know Maduro wasn't great.
[00:56:25] Iran. Obviously, we're not big fans of
[00:56:27] the Ayatollah and vice versa. We're not
[00:56:30] the policemen of the world. It was never
[00:56:32] intended to be this way. And look, if
[00:56:34] that's what we're going to use the 1.5
[00:56:36] trillion uh for, that's alarming, too.
[00:56:38] Even if it's not world war, if it's just
[00:56:41] that we can be the world cop or the
[00:56:44] world invader or like sort of the badass
[00:56:46] with swagger with the amazing military
[00:56:48] and now we want to use it, that that's
[00:56:51] going to cause a host of unintended
[00:56:52] consequences that Trump's never going to
[00:56:54] be around to even see through. You know,
[00:56:56] it you and I are still going to be here.
[00:56:58] Our kids are still going to be here.
[00:56:59] Trump's grandkids are going to be here.
[00:57:01] Um, but it almost feels at times to me
[00:57:03] like Trump has discovered he's got this
[00:57:06] exciting efficient tool called the US
[00:57:08] military and he's dying to try it out.
[00:57:11] And uh, unfortunately when you're dying
[00:57:13] to try out the US military as the
[00:57:15] commander-in-chief, you ultimately are
[00:57:17] not the one who will be dying, but
[00:57:18] others will, and they include Americans
[00:57:20] eventually.
[00:57:22] >> Yeah. And, you know, it's always
[00:57:24] possible for any president to get over
[00:57:26] his skis. I mean, it's just you once
[00:57:29] these enterprises begin, it's sort of
[00:57:31] hard to know where they're going to go
[00:57:32] and thing unanticipated things happen
[00:57:34] and there's just a lot of risk in in all
[00:57:37] of this. Rubio seems much more
[00:57:40] level-headed than I ever gave him credit
[00:57:41] for being and smarter. GD Vance
[00:57:44] obviously uh has always been both of
[00:57:45] those things, but I does seem like now
[00:57:48] is the time to clear out some of the
[00:57:52] emotionally unstable lunatics.
[00:57:55] It'd be nice. And you know, your point
[00:57:57] about free speech is absolutely spot-on.
[00:58:00] Um, you know, you play I was amazed to
[00:58:03] hear that the one sound bite by Jim
[00:58:06] Collins in Florida. Incredible. I
[00:58:08] actually wrote down what you said. He
[00:58:09] said, "You don't have the right to harm
[00:58:11] other people with your words. I
[00:58:12] absolutely do. And it's actually what
[00:58:15] makes us [laughter] fundamentally
[00:58:16] American." It's awesome. I have every
[00:58:20] right to insult you, to speak hatefully
[00:58:23] about you, and it's glorious. It's it's
[00:58:25] what makes it wonderful to live here. I
[00:58:27] mean, the First Amendment, of course, is
[00:58:29] there to protect hate speech. Hate
[00:58:32] speech is not only constitutional, it's
[00:58:34] written right in there that you can say,
[00:58:35] you can say the most hateful things
[00:58:36] possible. Sorry, but I can. And if you
[00:58:39] don't like it, too, you're the one who
[00:58:40] needs to move, not me. I don't need to
[00:58:43] move out of the United States of
[00:58:44] America. That's my fundamental right to
[00:58:46] say things that offend. And that's
[00:58:47] what's so upsetting about what is
[00:58:49] happening in Europe. Not to mention your
[00:58:51] in Israel too because you mentioned uh
[00:58:53] you know the rabbi and and the the guy
[00:58:56] on CNBC. I mean Israel's been on the
[00:58:58] press quite a bit over the past year or
[00:59:00] two for cracking down on free speech
[00:59:02] rights in its country. The rights of
[00:59:04] journalists to report openly and
[00:59:06] honestly on what's happening over there.
[00:59:08] And Europe is in a place where they're
[00:59:10] now arresting people for thought crimes
[00:59:12] for actually just causing offense.
[00:59:15] That's it. Not to mention in England
[00:59:17] arresting a woman for silently praying
[00:59:20] outside of an abortion clinic, literally
[00:59:22] not saying a word, just praying in her
[00:59:25] head. And a cop saw her standing there
[00:59:27] and asked her what she was doing and she
[00:59:28] admitted the truth and she got arrested.
[00:59:30] Um, our friend uh Lawrence Fox, he got
[00:59:34] arrested because he was over there
[00:59:35] saying he was thinking about tearing
[00:59:39] down the pesky
[00:59:41] uh traffic cameras that they put in
[00:59:43] various places in London to police the
[00:59:46] gas guzzling cars because they don't
[00:59:48] want these non-eco-friendly cars in
[00:59:50] London. And he was thinking about
[00:59:52] tearing down the the cameras. He got
[00:59:53] arrested. They raided his home. So,
[00:59:55] yeah, you need to be able to think what
[00:59:57] you want. You need to be able to say
[00:59:59] what you want. In all three of those
[01:00:00] examples that you showed of people
[01:00:02] saying it's time to crack down or we
[01:00:03] should control the internet, you can't
[01:00:05] say things that hurt people or that are
[01:00:07] hateful are exactly the opposite of what
[01:00:10] we actually stand for in this country
[01:00:12] and we better be really loud about it or
[01:00:14] we're going to be following our friends
[01:00:16] in Germany and England down the drain.
[01:00:19] [snorts]
[01:00:19] >> I mean, there does seem to be a
[01:00:21] connection between war footing and a
[01:00:24] clampdown on civil liberties in the
[01:00:25] country that's on war footing, right? So
[01:00:28] the presidents that clamped down on free
[01:00:29] speech most aggressively in our history,
[01:00:32] Abraham Lincoln during the civil war,
[01:00:34] Woodro Wilson during the First World
[01:00:36] War, FDR for his entire term, and Lyndon
[01:00:40] Johnson during Vietnam who sent the FBI
[01:00:43] after his critics and CIA to do all
[01:00:45] kinds of things that are shocking. Um,
[01:00:48] so that's I guess my concern. If like
[01:00:50] all of a sudden you become permanently
[01:00:53] at war, your own population in some ways
[01:00:57] becomes the government's enemy. I've
[01:00:59] noticed.
[01:01:00] >> Well, look, we were in a way a part of
[01:01:04] that during the Iraq war.
[01:01:07] >> Yeah, I know.
[01:01:07] >> Um at Fox, right? Like
[01:01:12] they they didn't allow and we didn't
[01:01:14] allow people who were criticizing the
[01:01:16] war a platform. We mocked them and made
[01:01:18] fun of them because I think we thought
[01:01:21] it was our duty to defend the war and I
[01:01:23] see Fox News doing that right now.
[01:01:26] >> Um there's not really a skeptical voice
[01:01:28] over there about what we're doing in
[01:01:30] Venezuela. And I'm fine with the people
[01:01:31] who support the Venezuela move. Then I
[01:01:34] I've been having them on my show all
[01:01:35] week and giving the president his due to
[01:01:37] hear what are the detractors saying and
[01:01:38] what are the supporters saying and
[01:01:39] that's up to for the audience to make up
[01:01:41] their mind. If they disagree with me on
[01:01:42] my stance, that's fine. It's great. No,
[01:01:45] more power to them. But, you know,
[01:01:47] that's not the job when you're on Fox
[01:01:49] News. And when I was there, I'll speak
[01:01:51] for myself, it was very clear to me what
[01:01:53] the what the job was, which was to root
[01:01:55] for it, to defend it, period, and not to
[01:01:58] allow skeptics on to express, you know,
[01:02:01] why they thought it was a bad idea, but
[01:02:02] instead to mock them and to belittle
[01:02:04] them, which has an effect of shaming
[01:02:06] people out of the view, at least maybe
[01:02:08] not the code pinks of the world,
[01:02:10] >> but like normies, whether they're
[01:02:12] Republicans or independents who would
[01:02:13] come on Fox,
[01:02:14] >> they understood that message is going to
[01:02:16] get you banned. you're not going to get
[01:02:18] an invitation back because this is not
[01:02:19] play a place to come for a full and fair
[01:02:22] discussion. So yeah, we we've already
[01:02:24] slipped into that in our past, our not
[01:02:26] so distant past. And look what it got
[01:02:27] us. You know, the Iraq war was not a
[01:02:29] good idea. I wish I hadn't defended it.
[01:02:31] I know you feel the same.
[01:02:33] >> I wish I had let more dissenting voices
[01:02:35] on and really listen to them to see
[01:02:37] whether they had a good point. And I
[01:02:39] think now more than ever, that's why
[01:02:40] independent channels like the ones that
[01:02:42] we're operating on currently are
[01:02:44] incredibly important because there is no
[01:02:47] agenda. You know, people want to say
[01:02:48] you're bought and paid for. You're not
[01:02:49] bought bought and paid for by anybody.
[01:02:50] You're totally independent. As am I. I
[01:02:52] don't take anybody's money other than
[01:02:54] like cozy earth, but they're not
[01:02:56] involved in this conflict.
[01:02:58] >> No, they're not. [laughter]
[01:03:00] They're great. Um, they're great. So
[01:03:03] there, what do you make of the division
[01:03:06] within the Trump voting base? Um, you've
[01:03:10] been sucked into this, I think, against
[01:03:12] your will. I I always think of you as
[01:03:14] the most sensible, least radical, least
[01:03:17] crazy person ever, always willing to
[01:03:19] entertain both sides, measured, and
[01:03:23] somehow you've been held up as some kind
[01:03:26] of Nazi or something by a few very, very
[01:03:29] active people on social media, Mark
[01:03:30] Leven, chief among them. I look at that
[01:03:33] and I'm like, this is if you're
[01:03:34] attacking Megan Kelly for this stuff
[01:03:37] falsely, this is clearly an effort to
[01:03:40] split Trump's base. That's my view. But
[01:03:42] tell me what you think is going on.
[01:03:44] >> So Mark Levin is in a special class,
[01:03:46] shall we say? Uh he's in the special
[01:03:48] class. Uh because I truly think he's not
[01:03:50] well. I genuinely think he's unwell,
[01:03:53] which is when I stopped fighting with
[01:03:54] him. Like I over the even though over
[01:03:56] the holiday break, he was in incendiary
[01:03:58] and his rhetoric and I thought, you
[01:04:00] know, I I went after him a little
[01:04:01] because he kept attacking me and others
[01:04:03] and like was calling Dave Smith a Nazi,
[01:04:05] a neo-Nazi, like crazy stuff. [laughter]
[01:04:08] And then I just realized what am I do?
[01:04:10] He's trul he's an insane person, you
[01:04:12] know, and as my therapist ironically
[01:04:14] always says, stay away from crazy. And
[01:04:16] he's not wrong. [laughter]
[01:04:19] >> He doesn't take the truly crazy ones,
[01:04:20] which bodess well for me. Um,
[01:04:23] >> but I I I genuinely think like he's not
[01:04:24] well, and I really don't think the
[01:04:26] president should let Mark live in within
[01:04:28] 10 ft of him. Like he's not a well
[01:04:30] person. Um, but the but there is a very
[01:04:33] ardent, extremely pro-Israel and indeed
[01:04:36] I will say Israel first crowd that is
[01:04:39] doing what you said right now. And sure
[01:04:41] is one of them, but I'm just saying he's
[01:04:42] just such a nutcase. How can we really
[01:04:43] factor him into this argument? But I I
[01:04:47] don't know whether the point is to cause
[01:04:50] losses for this president or stop his
[01:04:53] agenda. I really think that the Israel
[01:04:56] firsters have no tolerance for anyone
[01:04:59] who will not defend Israel at every turn
[01:05:02] and that's why they can't stand you and
[01:05:04] that's why they now can't stand me
[01:05:06] because even though I am an Israel
[01:05:08] supporter, you and I have discussed this
[01:05:10] before.
[01:05:10] >> Yeah.
[01:05:11] >> It's not that I defend everything
[01:05:12] they've done, but in the in the war with
[01:05:13] Hamas, my god, like I thought what Hamas
[01:05:15] did on 107 was absolutely barbaric and I
[01:05:18] have defended Israel's rights to defend
[01:05:19] itself and I've even ar argued that they
[01:05:21] it doesn't need to be a proportionate
[01:05:22] response. all the things. I've been very
[01:05:25] defensive of anti-semitism on college
[01:05:27] campuses, which I think has been very
[01:05:29] real over the past couple of years. I've
[01:05:30] wanted the foreign exchange students,
[01:05:32] the non-Americans ejected. I have no
[01:05:34] problem with ejecting the Makmoud Khalil
[01:05:36] of the world who said, "Nice university
[01:05:38] you have here, Colombia. Either boycott
[01:05:40] Israel or the campus gets it. Get out.
[01:05:43] Get out of here." Right? I have no
[01:05:45] problem with any of that. I've gotten
[01:05:47] notes from all like all of these people,
[01:05:49] dear friends of mine over the past two
[01:05:51] years. Thank you so much. You make me
[01:05:53] and my family feel safer. These are
[01:05:55] pro-Israel Jewish friends of mine in the
[01:05:58] media. You make me and my family feel
[01:06:00] safer. I love you. My family loves you.
[01:06:02] God bless you. Thank these same people
[01:06:05] have now turned on me. And some are
[01:06:07] calling me an anti-semite. Why? What did
[01:06:09] I say? What did I do? Did I step on a
[01:06:11] rake and say something super
[01:06:12] anti-Semitic without realizing it? No.
[01:06:15] It's because I won't deffriend you and I
[01:06:20] won't condemn and say that Candace Owens
[01:06:24] is hateful. They want me really, really
[01:06:26] badly to condemn Candace Owens. And I'm
[01:06:29] sorry to break it to them, but I am
[01:06:31] responsible for what I say, not for what
[01:06:34] anybody else says. I am not Candace
[01:06:36] Owens's policeman. And by the way,
[01:06:38] they're kidding themselves that if just
[01:06:40] one more voice will say something nasty
[01:06:42] about Candace, she could finally be
[01:06:44] controlled. Like, how well has that
[01:06:46] worked so far? But again, the instinct
[01:06:48] is to to stop her. Stop her speech. Stop
[01:06:51] it. Make her stop it. Make Tucker stop
[01:06:54] saying the things. Well, I have no
[01:06:57] desire to and I have no power to. And
[01:07:00] for that I was called a coward by Ben
[01:07:02] Shapiro at the Turning Point event
[01:07:05] Amfest in December. Who by the way in my
[01:07:08] last exchange with him literally said
[01:07:12] our friendship his and mine is too
[01:07:15] important to both of us to make it
[01:07:17] depend on who else whom else we are
[01:07:21] friends with and aren't friends with.
[01:07:23] That is literally the last text I have
[01:07:24] from Ben Shapiro. The next thing I knew
[01:07:27] he was standing on the stage at Turning
[01:07:28] Point calling me a coward for this very
[01:07:31] thing. So it there I am convinced now
[01:07:34] more than ever that there is a crew for
[01:07:35] whom everything revolves around Israel.
[01:07:38] That friendships don't matter, love
[01:07:41] relationships don't potentially matter.
[01:07:43] What the only thing that matters is
[01:07:45] whether you are standing up for Israel
[01:07:48] or not. And on top of that, you can even
[01:07:50] stand up for Israel as I have. You also
[01:07:53] must not just condemn but deffriend
[01:07:56] befriend anyone who is raising questions
[01:07:59] about Israel. It's important that that
[01:08:01] other person be exised from polite
[01:08:03] society, be ostracized. That you join us
[01:08:06] in our messaging to tell the world that
[01:08:08] they're terrible. They're evil. They
[01:08:11] should be out of polite society. And no,
[01:08:13] no, we're not calling for cancellation.
[01:08:15] No one's calling for cancellation or
[01:08:16] deplatforming. Just stop. That's not
[01:08:18] what we're doing. We just don't want
[01:08:19] them ever to appear at a turning point
[01:08:21] event again. We just don't want them
[01:08:23] ever to be invited to CPAC. We just
[01:08:25] never want to see them at a White House
[01:08:26] event. We just never want ever to see
[01:08:28] them platformed on your show, which is
[01:08:31] independent in the digital lane.
[01:08:32] Absolutely not. So, it's fine. They they
[01:08:34] technically they can exist in the ether
[01:08:35] with a microphone. That's fine. We're
[01:08:37] not we're not anti-free speech, but we
[01:08:39] just need to pressure and cancel
[01:08:40] everyone around them for continuing a
[01:08:43] relationship with them. And it's
[01:08:44] absolutely disgusting. I heard you say
[01:08:48] this not long ago, and I completely
[01:08:49] related. I'd rather die than do that.
[01:08:52] I'd rather die than do that. And now
[01:08:54] that they've made that the stakes of my
[01:08:57] so-called friendships with them,
[01:08:59] >> I really won't do it. Now I I don't now
[01:09:02] I don't care what anybody says. Like
[01:09:04] I'll never do it now. Even if I
[01:09:06] [laughter] have actual disagreements
[01:09:07] that I otherwise would raise, hell no.
[01:09:11] Because I'm not raising the fist and
[01:09:13] saying BLM at the table. And I'm not
[01:09:16] bending the knee to these bullies who
[01:09:18] think they can control me. [laughter]
[01:09:21] I I always think to myself, I'm I don't
[01:09:23] think I've ever said an anti-semitic
[01:09:25] thing in my life. I'm positive you
[01:09:27] haven't. They never point to anything
[01:09:28] that's anti-semitic.
[01:09:29] >> No.
[01:09:30] >> But what's interesting is while the rest
[01:09:31] of us are having these debates, a bunch
[01:09:34] of different states, including the state
[01:09:35] of Florida, the most important state in
[01:09:38] a lot of ways, has codified
[01:09:41] anti-semitism as a crime. And they've
[01:09:44] defined not anti- anything, just
[01:09:45] anti-semitism.
[01:09:47] And they've defined it in a way that is
[01:09:51] so expansive that criticism of Israel is
[01:09:54] anti-semitic. The claim that someone is
[01:09:56] Israel first is ant is a crime in the
[01:09:58] state of Florida. Dantis signed this.
[01:10:01] And I'm just like, well, wait a second.
[01:10:02] I mean, I don't think most people even
[01:10:03] know that that happened. And plenty of
[01:10:05] states have done that. And so I think
[01:10:07] we're going to wake up one morning with
[01:10:09] European hate crimes laws written in a
[01:10:11] way that is not fair at all that doesn't
[01:10:15] affect justice and it's basically just
[01:10:16] another form of identity politics at the
[01:10:18] point of a gun. I think this is going to
[01:10:20] happen.
[01:10:21] >> It is identity politics. It really is.
[01:10:24] And I'll tell you the the number one
[01:10:25] reason apart from the free speech
[01:10:27] principles, I guess the number two
[01:10:29] reason we shouldn't be doing that. It
[01:10:31] will cause anti-semitism.
[01:10:32] >> Well, exactly. absolutely will cause in
[01:10:35] the same way that now like people don't
[01:10:37] understand Nick Fuentes. You you may be
[01:10:39] familiar with him. Um they don't
[01:10:41] understand him, right? Like why why are
[01:10:43] people flocking to Nick Fuentes? You
[01:10:45] know what it's because a lot of young
[01:10:48] white men in particular have been told
[01:10:50] for years now that identity is
[01:10:52] everything. It's everything. It does
[01:10:54] matter what what what is your inroup and
[01:10:56] those are your compadres and you better
[01:10:59] get you know some alignment there
[01:11:01] because we're factioning now into groups
[01:11:03] and you better figure out which one is
[01:11:05] yours and so there are a lot of young
[01:11:06] white men who have accepted the
[01:11:08] messaging of the BLM and the woksters on
[01:11:10] the left and have understood now like
[01:11:12] you know what I don't want to follow
[01:11:14] what Tucker Carlson is saying that we
[01:11:16] don't judge people like that even though
[01:11:17] we're on the right that I'm accepting
[01:11:20] the messaging that's been taught to me
[01:11:21] my by my teachers K through 12 by my
[01:11:23] university professors for four years, by
[01:11:25] my grad school professors, by the media,
[01:11:29] by corporate America, all of them, which
[01:11:31] is identity does matter. Your very
[01:11:34] goodness will be rated on whether you
[01:11:35] accept this premise. And they've
[01:11:37] accepted it and now they're leaning into
[01:11:39] white identity politics and then being
[01:11:41] shamed because the the leader of those
[01:11:43] happens to be Nick Fuentes. So that what
[01:11:46] what the the Jews who push those laws
[01:11:48] and it is a lot of Jews down in in um
[01:11:50] Florida and a lot of Jewish people in
[01:11:52] New York too um they think that the
[01:11:55] answer to anti-semitism which is a
[01:11:57] problem to some extent of course is to
[01:11:59] get themselves recatategorized as one of
[01:12:01] the protected DEI groups and of course
[01:12:04] it's not the answer is to demolish DEI.
[01:12:06] Of course,
[01:12:07] >> the answer is to stop separating us by
[01:12:09] group. And the more you start cracking
[01:12:11] down on people's thought crimes against
[01:12:14] Israel or even their anti-semitism,
[01:12:17] truly like this is America. You're
[01:12:19] allowed to be a racist. You're allowed
[01:12:20] to be a misogynist. You're allowed to be
[01:12:22] an anti-semite. You're not allowed to
[01:12:23] like make hiring and firing decisions
[01:12:25] based on that. But that's not what we're
[01:12:27] arguing over here. It's we're talking
[01:12:28] about what's in your head and your
[01:12:29] heart. The more you try to criminalize
[01:12:31] that or ruin someone's life over those
[01:12:33] thoughts, the more you engender the very
[01:12:37] hatred you say you're objecting to. And
[01:12:40] this is part in part reason that Tucker
[01:12:42] the reason Tucker that I tweeted out
[01:12:45] that it it's not Tucker Carlson and his
[01:12:48] views on Israel that are causing
[01:12:51] anti-semites.
[01:12:53] It is more Ben Shapiro and the Barry
[01:12:55] Weisses of the world. And of course the
[01:12:57] ADL then called me an anti-semite
[01:12:59] because that what happens [laughter] is
[01:13:02] you know that you see the cycle right
[01:13:03] like you get attacked. I didn't attack
[01:13:05] Barrier Ben. They attacked me again just
[01:13:08] because I wouldn't deffriend people.
[01:13:09] They attacked me. I said to them that
[01:13:12] behavior is going to cause
[01:13:13] anti-semmites. Like you shouldn't do
[01:13:14] that because this is actually
[01:13:15] undermining the very thing you say you
[01:13:16] care about. Then he swoops in the ADL to
[01:13:19] say you're an anti-semite for saying
[01:13:20] that to them. you're not allowed to
[01:13:22] defend yourself against their attacks by
[01:13:24] saying, "Hey, you're the one who's
[01:13:25] bringing more hatred into this argument
[01:13:28] because then that, you know, on and on
[01:13:30] it goes." But I genuinely believe it and
[01:13:32] I genuinely don't want additional Jew
[01:13:34] hatred happening in happening in this
[01:13:36] country. Most normal American Jewish
[01:13:39] people would never make Israel the
[01:13:41] stakes of a relationship. There I know
[01:13:43] so many Jewish dear friends of mine who
[01:13:45] are sick of talking about Israel. Ben,
[01:13:47] Barry, Levvin, they don't speak for the
[01:13:50] vast majority of American Jewish people
[01:13:53] who would never think of making your
[01:13:55] feelings about Benjamin Netanyahu the
[01:13:58] stakes of your friendship or love
[01:13:59] relationship.
[01:14:00] >> He's the Al Sharpton of Jewish
[01:14:02] Americans. I would say he doesn't speak
[01:14:04] for all Jews. Obviously, um there's a
[01:14:08] hostility there's a hostility to some of
[01:14:10] the people you mentioned, particularly
[01:14:12] to Mark Levin, and I think you called it
[01:14:14] out that you called him anti-Christian
[01:14:16] the other day. Why did you say that?
[01:14:18] >> Yeah.
[01:14:19] So, he decided to go after Jack Bobic,
[01:14:22] who is a great guy, who is a dear friend
[01:14:25] of Charlie's, and who has really stepped
[01:14:28] up to the plate in the wake of Charlie's
[01:14:30] murder. He's been doing so [snorts] much
[01:14:32] to help Turning Point stay afloat,
[01:14:35] taking his podcast out there. He's been
[01:14:37] in close contact with all the Turning
[01:14:39] Point staff with Erica. Like, this guy's
[01:14:40] been a real standup guy. He's been a
[01:14:43] hero. And uh not for nothing, but he's
[01:14:45] been great to me, too. And I really
[01:14:47] appreciate it cuz back in the day, he
[01:14:48] and I didn't get along, you know, but
[01:14:50] you know how this business is like.
[01:14:51] >> Yes.
[01:14:52] >> You can get past that if you're a decent
[01:14:53] person.
[01:14:54] >> And he and I totally got past that. And
[01:14:56] I really like him and respect him. and
[01:14:58] he's been a leader on the faith front.
[01:15:01] One of the things we lost after Charlie
[01:15:03] died was someone who could speak about
[01:15:07] the Bible, about God, about
[01:15:08] Christianity, about faith in the way
[01:15:10] that Charlie did that was inspirational,
[01:15:12] but also that unique ability to tie it
[01:15:15] to our conservative principles. Like
[01:15:17] that was part of the deep loss in losing
[01:15:19] Charlie. Like that he helped you realize
[01:15:22] that your conservative ideals actually
[01:15:24] are found are the foundation is in
[01:15:26] Christianity. But on top of that, he
[01:15:28] could cite the chapter and verse of the
[01:15:30] Bible, the Proverbs, all of it to to
[01:15:31] prove it to you. Well, Jack Poba can do
[01:15:34] this, too. And so, I've really come to
[01:15:37] adore this guy. Anyway, he interviewed
[01:15:40] me at the Turning Point event um the the
[01:15:43] night after you were there, and he gave
[01:15:46] me actually on my tour a beautiful
[01:15:49] rosary at Charlie's um memorial that we
[01:15:52] all went to. He spoke and he held up
[01:15:54] that gorgeous rosary and it was very
[01:15:56] moving. Then I complimented them. He
[01:15:58] gave me a rosary that was identical
[01:16:00] which I pray every day and I love. And
[01:16:03] after that event at Turning Point, he
[01:16:04] posted a picture of that rosary. Uh and
[01:16:08] Mark Levvin chose that picture of Jack
[01:16:11] Pobic holding his rosary to attack
[01:16:15] calling him what I'm trying to remember
[01:16:17] the word. It was like wacko or freak. It
[01:16:22] was something extremely porative and
[01:16:24] diminishing. And there's no accident
[01:16:27] that he chose that picture. If you
[01:16:28] Google this guy, you can find 10,000
[01:16:30] pictures of him on the internet. It is
[01:16:32] not hard to find a suit and tie picture
[01:16:35] of Jack Pobic or even Jack in a t-shirt
[01:16:38] if you want to make him look more
[01:16:40] casual. He chose that picture. And it's
[01:16:43] no accident, Tucker, because he he held
[01:16:46] that up because I genuinely think Mark
[01:16:48] Levin thinks Catholics who pray the
[01:16:50] rosary are freaks, that we are cooks.
[01:16:53] And that's one of the reasons why he
[01:16:54] thinks we're complete completely fair
[01:16:56] game to attack as
[01:16:59] >> woke Reich, which is what he's called me
[01:17:01] and you and others anti-Semitic because
[01:17:04] what? You're anti-semitic because you're
[01:17:05] holding up a rosary. Well, that's sick.
[01:17:08] That's absolutely disgusting. I like it.
[01:17:09] And if you take the religious discussion
[01:17:11] there, you want to go back and argue
[01:17:13] about Jesus and Jews role around the
[01:17:16] time of Christ. Okay, let's do that.
[01:17:18] How's that going to end? About the same
[01:17:20] as the discussion that people wanted to
[01:17:23] raise about black crime versus white
[01:17:25] crime ended. Glenn Lowry stood up at the
[01:17:27] time saying that's not going to end
[01:17:29] well. Stop doing that. Stop talking
[01:17:31] about [laughter]
[01:17:32] suggesting whites are are committing all
[01:17:34] the crimes. You know what they're going
[01:17:35] to do soon is they're going to bring up
[01:17:36] some uncomfortable truths about blacks,
[01:17:38] which is eventually how that ended.
[01:17:40] Like, just stop. All right? Cuz I it
[01:17:41] never in my life in arguing with someone
[01:17:43] like a Mark Levin would I bring up his
[01:17:46] faith beliefs and call him a cook for
[01:17:48] them. That's just so hateful and
[01:17:50] disrespect. Never, never would I do such
[01:17:52] a thing. But there's a reason he chose
[01:17:54] that photo with the rosary and tried to
[01:17:57] diminish Jack Bobic and I would argue
[01:18:00] Catholics and Christians who also pray
[01:18:02] the rosary.
[01:18:03] Yeah, apparently he went totally bonkers
[01:18:06] when you called him out.
[01:18:08] >> He's an angry angry man. And honestly, I
[01:18:11] tweeted this out and I really believe
[01:18:12] it.
[01:18:13] >> Well, it's so it's obvious to me that
[01:18:15] there's hostility here. This is not just
[01:18:17] a foreign policy debate. I understand
[01:18:19] that he's all in for Israel. I'm not mad
[01:18:21] about that, by the way. Um, that's okay
[01:18:23] with me. But it's more than that.
[01:18:25] There's there's like there's something
[01:18:28] deep going on here with Mark Levvin. And
[01:18:29] I agree with you. I hope you
[01:18:31] >> Let's dissect it. Yeah,
[01:18:32] >> let's dissect it, okay? Because I I do
[01:18:33] want to spend a minute on this if if you
[01:18:34] have it.
[01:18:35] >> Oh, of course.
[01:18:35] >> Um,
[01:18:37] >> so Mark Levin was always a fan of mine.
[01:18:40] He was always a fan. Like there are
[01:18:41] tweets out there saying, "Oh, she's got
[01:18:43] a hell of a podcast in 2022." He came on
[01:18:45] my podcast. He asked to come on when he
[01:18:48] had a book out. Sure. Yeah, come on. We
[01:18:49] had a nice exchange. This is all I think
[01:18:52] pre107, but we had a very nice exchange.
[01:18:55] What? Never had a problem when we were
[01:18:57] at Fox with one another. And then as I
[01:19:01] as I point out, I didn't have a
[01:19:02] relationship with Mark texting and so
[01:19:04] on, but some of those others that we
[01:19:06] discussed uh had been sending me the
[01:19:08] love texts ever since 107 about how my
[01:19:11] standing up for American Jewish people
[01:19:13] made them feel safe and thank you and we
[01:19:14] love you and we're so grateful and blah
[01:19:15] blah blah. It's not why I did it, but I
[01:19:17] appreciated the notes. That was very
[01:19:19] sweet. So when exactly did I become an
[01:19:21] anti-semite because he's called me that.
[01:19:24] Was it in this past July when you and I
[01:19:26] were both at Turning Point the Student
[01:19:28] Action Summit and Charlie and I had a
[01:19:30] two-minute exchange on Epstein and if
[01:19:32] you worked for a foreign agency, who
[01:19:34] would it have been? And I said it would
[01:19:35] make sense it was MSAD. Yeah, I was
[01:19:37] called an anti-semite after that, as you
[01:19:38] and I discussed the last time I came on
[01:19:40] your evening show by some official
[01:19:43] Jewish group that said Charlie was an
[01:19:44] anti-semite, too. Charlie Kirk. Okay.
[01:19:47] Um, was it then? Was that the day I
[01:19:49] turned anti-semitic? I'm trying to track
[01:19:51] it in my head. So then the next thing
[01:19:53] that happened was I went on with Piers
[01:19:54] Morgan and I said, "I don't believe the
[01:19:56] Hamas Ministry of Anything. I don't
[01:19:58] believe their numbers and I believe
[01:19:59] their propagandists and I don't believe
[01:20:01] their photos they put out." But I also
[01:20:04] said Israel needs to wrap up this war
[01:20:05] because they're losing support. I got
[01:20:07] called anti-semitic by a bunch of
[01:20:08] people. A lot of pressure from American
[01:20:10] Jews who are active on Israel, which is
[01:20:12] the difference. Um, no, I'm not going to
[01:20:15] take it back. I meant every word I said.
[01:20:17] None of it makes me anti-Semitic. And
[01:20:19] then came the Tucker's interviewed Nick
[01:20:22] and you must disavow him. Now you really
[01:20:25] need to break up with Tucker. As if my
[01:20:27] entire career rises or falls based on
[01:20:30] who my friends are and whose interview I
[01:20:32] decide to weigh in on.
[01:20:33] >> Well, it's ridiculous. So, first of all,
[01:20:35] I had no problem with the fact that you
[01:20:36] interviewed Nick Fuentes and you did it
[01:20:38] your way. And I happen to know because I
[01:20:39] know you
[01:20:40] >> and I know some other things about that
[01:20:42] interview that you did it with a pure
[01:20:43] heart. It wasn't because you were in
[01:20:45] love with all of Nick Fuentes's messages
[01:20:47] at all.
[01:20:49] But I know you and I understood this is
[01:20:51] you don't have to confirm or deny, but I
[01:20:53] thought you were very much trying to
[01:20:54] reach him with your main message that
[01:20:57] you say all the time, which is in the in
[01:20:59] the conservative sphere on the right. We
[01:21:02] don't judge people by identity. We
[01:21:05] don't, you didn't say it this way, but
[01:21:06] we don't, we're not big on the n-word
[01:21:08] and the other words that he's been
[01:21:10] calling people like us or even thinking
[01:21:13] about people that way because that's
[01:21:15] what crazy leftists do with identity,
[01:21:19] too. I hate that
[01:21:20] >> as Christians do.
[01:21:22] >> Okay, so that you tried. It didn't
[01:21:24] really work, but you tried and I I know
[01:21:25] your heart was in the right place and it
[01:21:27] was a worthwhile exercise because he's a
[01:21:28] very interesting guy. Let's face it. Um,
[01:21:30] he's obviously got some very extreme
[01:21:31] views, but he's very interesting and
[01:21:33] he's very smart. And on a lot of things,
[01:21:35] there is value to be derived from that
[01:21:36] guy's messaging. I'm sorry, but he
[01:21:38] actually has a lot of things he talks
[01:21:40] about that you're like, "Huh, this is
[01:21:41] not a bad point about our country.
[01:21:44] Excuse his thoughts on race and Jews and
[01:21:46] the Holocaust and all that." Obviously,
[01:21:48] okay. So, I I was fine with your
[01:21:50] interview with Nick Fentes. I needed to
[01:21:52] be excom excommunicated. And then came
[01:21:54] Candace Owens and that she really drives
[01:21:56] people crazy. She drives them crazy.
[01:21:59] [laughter] They were very angry that I
[01:22:01] didn't call her out for what she said
[01:22:02] about Israel possibly being involved
[01:22:04] with Charlie Kirk. Well, I didn't call
[01:22:05] her out because I was totally fine with
[01:22:06] those questions being raised and still
[01:22:08] am. I like I'm sorry, [laughter] but I
[01:22:11] am I am I'm sick of this I I
[01:22:14] am allowed to have questions about what
[01:22:16] if anyone aligned with Israel or from
[01:22:18] Israel might have had to do with
[01:22:21] Charlie's death. I think it was Tyler
[01:22:22] Robinson. I think he acted either alone
[01:22:24] or with Transifa.
[01:22:27] I got I have an open heart to he was
[01:22:30] manipulated by somebody. I do. So, I'm
[01:22:32] fine with those questions and I'm sorry
[01:22:34] for people who don't want them asked. Uh
[01:22:36] and then it switched to Erica Kirk and
[01:22:37] Turning Point. Erica became Turning
[01:22:40] Point became the focus of Candace Owens.
[01:22:42] And honestly, Tucker, from that point
[01:22:44] forward, I worked with Turning Point and
[01:22:45] Erica regularly to say, "Look, Candace
[01:22:48] has the right to ask the questions she
[01:22:50] wants to ask. I'm very close with
[01:22:52] everybody there, as I know you are, too.
[01:22:54] And I talked with them at length often
[01:22:57] about what's the best way of handling
[01:22:59] this, right? And I did not think it was
[01:23:01] a great idea to go out and try to combat
[01:23:03] each claim. I really thought just let
[01:23:05] her do her thing. You don't get to
[01:23:07] police her, but you also don't have to
[01:23:09] respond to every question she asked.
[01:23:11] Like that's just not I wouldn't do it
[01:23:13] and I don't suggest you do it. Sometimes
[01:23:15] they agreed with me, sometimes they
[01:23:17] didn't. But for the whole time I was in
[01:23:19] close contact with them and then
[01:23:20] ultimately Erica was asking me if I
[01:23:22] would help forge a meeting with them,
[01:23:25] broke her a piece of sorts. I told her,
[01:23:28] you know, maybe you could just email
[01:23:29] Candace and put it to bed, you know,
[01:23:31] maybe that's the best way instead of
[01:23:33] like getting together, I don't know, or
[01:23:34] doing some she wanted to do a live
[01:23:36] stream initially. Um, she didn't want to
[01:23:39] do it that way. Whatever. I tried to be
[01:23:41] of service. I spoke with Candace, too,
[01:23:42] and was honest with her. And I've gotten
[01:23:44] to know her a lot better over the past
[01:23:46] six months. And actually, I I know her
[01:23:48] better now than ever, and I've learned a
[01:23:49] lot about what's being done to Candace
[01:23:52] by some of the people we've been
[01:23:53] discussing. And it's disgusting. And I'm
[01:23:56] horrified by what she's been put
[01:23:57] through. So, I'm really just not in the
[01:23:59] mood. I'm not her policeman. I don't
[01:24:01] want to be her policeman. You don't like
[01:24:03] her? Don't click on her face. Same for
[01:24:06] me. Same for you. [laughter]
[01:24:09] >> It's the best. Well, I have to ask you
[01:24:11] about Barry Weiss CBS. How is that
[01:24:15] experiment going and will it succeed? As
[01:24:18] a veteran of network news, I'm
[01:24:20] interested in your thoughts.
[01:24:21] >> No, it won't. It won't go well. It won't
[01:24:23] succeed. Nothing's going to change
[01:24:24] there. And Barry Weiss won't be the one
[01:24:26] to change it. First of all, Tucker,
[01:24:28] let's be honest. She's never worked in
[01:24:29] television a day in her life. Not one
[01:24:31] day. She actually wasn't very
[01:24:32] experienced even in the press business,
[01:24:34] even in the newspaper business. You
[01:24:35] know, she quit the New York Times after
[01:24:36] a couple years. So, she's got one thing
[01:24:39] going for her, which is she is not woke
[01:24:43] when it comes to
[01:24:45] blacks and Indians and like
[01:24:50] I can't think of any other favorite
[01:24:51] groups, but she is woke when it comes to
[01:24:53] American Jewish people and somewhat when
[01:24:56] it comes to women. So,
[01:24:58] okay, she's not as far-left as some of
[01:25:01] the other woke radicals who dragged us
[01:25:03] through 2020 and its aftermath. Um, but
[01:25:06] she she doesn't have any business
[01:25:07] running a news organization. And you
[01:25:09] know, people have pointed out that I
[01:25:10] sent out a tweet when she got the job
[01:25:12] saying she deserves her success. Of
[01:25:14] course, I was being nice because we were
[01:25:15] friendly. And also because I don't
[01:25:18] begrudge her her success or the money
[01:25:19] that she got paid for an organization
[01:25:21] that honestly wasn't worth $100 million.
[01:25:24] Like the multiples didn't play out. But
[01:25:25] God bless. If you can get somebody to
[01:25:27] pay you a ton of money for your
[01:25:28] company, go for it. Um,
[01:25:32] but no, she has no business running a
[01:25:33] news a TV news organization. There's a
[01:25:35] lot more to TV news than just taking the
[01:25:37] free press and putting it on TV. A lot
[01:25:40] more. It there's a reason they call it
[01:25:43] broadcast news. There are two pieces to
[01:25:45] it. The news is important, but so is the
[01:25:47] broadcast piece. And the fact that she
[01:25:50] put herself at the helm of the Erica
[01:25:52] Kirk town hall proves to me she doesn't
[01:25:54] understand the broadcast piece. Because
[01:25:56] I'm sorry not to be mean, but Barry
[01:25:58] Weiss is not a strong broadcaster for
[01:26:00] many, many reasons and she should not be
[01:26:03] on camera and she should not be the face
[01:26:04] of CBS News and she really shouldn't
[01:26:07] steal the on-air opportunities of the
[01:26:10] talent who are filling those roles.
[01:26:12] There's no better way, and I don't have
[01:26:14] to tell you this, to engender a loathing
[01:26:17] and resentment from this the talent that
[01:26:20] works in your bu building than for you
[01:26:22] as an executive to start stealing their
[01:26:25] prime time opportunities. It was a
[01:26:28] massive fail. The ratings sucked. And
[01:26:31] trust me, it wasn't because the public's
[01:26:33] not interested in Erica. She didn't lead
[01:26:35] Erica to good places for Erica to shine.
[01:26:38] She she ambushed her with the guy who
[01:26:41] asked Charlie the last question before
[01:26:44] he was shot and killed. She brought him
[01:26:47] back to face Erica Kirk to finish a
[01:26:50] question and to ask Erica to condemn
[01:26:52] Trump's violent rhetoric. This is the
[01:26:55] guy who saw Erica's husband get
[01:26:57] assassinated by a leftist
[01:27:00] furryloving guy. And now you want to
[01:27:03] make his widow condemn Trump who just
[01:27:06] gave her husband the presidential medal
[01:27:07] of freedom whose vice president buried
[01:27:10] him, got him on Air Force 2. How dare
[01:27:12] you? How dare you do that, Barry Weiss.
[01:27:15] And she had zero sensitivity about it.
[01:27:17] She ambushed her. And trust me when I
[01:27:19] tell you, there's no love loss between
[01:27:20] Erica Kirk and Barry Weiss. So that's
[01:27:23] just my little window into what she's
[01:27:25] been doing. But on top of that, Tucker,
[01:27:28] I I've got more if you want it.
[01:27:30] >> Oh, I love it. I love it. it you there's
[01:27:32] no saving CBS evening. There's no saving
[01:27:34] evening news and there's really no
[01:27:36] saving CBS Evening News. This guy Tony
[01:27:39] Dokapool, what has he done so far?
[01:27:41] Nobody knows who the hell he is. Um, so
[01:27:44] far he got the job because he had a
[01:27:45] contentious segment with Tanahissi Coats
[01:27:47] in which he was good. Tanahi Coats went
[01:27:50] to Israel for 10 days and came back and
[01:27:52] said he was an expert on it and wanted
[01:27:53] to write his thoughts. Okay, you're not.
[01:27:55] Be quiet. Leave it to people who
[01:27:57] actually have done a little study on it.
[01:27:58] You're going anywhere for 10 days. I
[01:27:59] mean, I just got back from Montana for
[01:28:01] 10 days. Doesn't make me an expert on
[01:28:02] Montana. It's [laughter] cold. It's got
[01:28:04] bears. People love to hunt, okay? Like,
[01:28:06] I'm not an expert, okay? But anyway, um,
[01:28:09] that was a good interview. That's why he
[01:28:11] got the job because he stuck up for
[01:28:13] Israel. He has an ex-wife who's living
[01:28:14] in Israel. And of course, that's the
[01:28:16] agenda now of Barry Weiss and her boss,
[01:28:18] the Ellison's at CBS and possibly at CNN
[01:28:21] if they wind up buying that, too.
[01:28:23] Although, it's not looking good for them
[01:28:24] given the rejection of that bid today.
[01:28:26] In any event, so so that's why he got
[01:28:28] the job. What is What has he done? We
[01:28:30] pulled up a few segments that Tony
[01:28:31] Dookapool has done while a correspondent
[01:28:33] because now he's claiming, "I've always
[01:28:35] hated it. I've gotten it. Too much
[01:28:37] reliance on elites. I'm going to be for
[01:28:39] the people." He's trying to sound like a
[01:28:40] Fox News anchor. Well, we pulled up a
[01:28:42] couple of big news events. We pulled up
[01:28:44] the uh Border Patrol is whipping Haitian
[01:28:47] migrants at the border story. Did Tony
[01:28:49] Doapool get it right even 24 hours into
[01:28:52] it after the Reuters photographer who
[01:28:54] took the pictures and said that's not
[01:28:56] what they show came out and said that's
[01:28:58] wrong. Nope. He jumped right on the
[01:29:00] bandwagon served it up to Jen Saki who
[01:29:03] is his guest to let her take a huge dump
[01:29:05] all over the Trump administration and
[01:29:07] the Border Patrol. But that's the
[01:29:08] rescue. That's the savior of CB CBS
[01:29:11] evening evening news. Count me a skeptic
[01:29:14] Tucker. People aren't interested.
[01:29:16] They're not interested in network news.
[01:29:17] They're really not interested in evening
[01:29:18] network news and they're really not
[01:29:20] interested in CBS evening network news.
[01:29:22] It will fail as will the entire network.
[01:29:26] >> Boy. Uh but Barry, I mean Barry makes me
[01:29:28] respect her a little bit. She's
[01:29:30] obviously a good talker that she
[01:29:31] convinced the Ellison that CBS News was
[01:29:34] like
[01:29:34] >> totally
[01:29:34] >> the way to control American public
[01:29:36] opinion. It's kind of uh it's it's
[01:29:38] hilarious. So what about Fox?
[01:29:40] >> They too have an agenda and and for
[01:29:42] their agenda, Tucker, they did hire the
[01:29:43] right person.
[01:29:44] >> Of course they did. But it's completely
[01:29:46] fruitless and it just shows they may be
[01:29:48] evil but they're dumb. Um, what about
[01:29:51] Fox? I mean, so you said at the outset
[01:29:54] that Fox played a huge role in selling
[01:29:56] the Iraq war. Huge role basically in
[01:29:59] every pointless conflict we've had for
[01:30:01] the last 30 years and they're doing the
[01:30:05] same thing with Venezuela.
[01:30:08] What's Fox's future, do you think?
[01:30:11] Well, I think they're going to be
[01:30:13] they're going to be in a tough position
[01:30:14] as soon as Trump leaves. U because
[01:30:16] Trump, as you know, is a ratings
[01:30:17] machine. Everybody's interested in
[01:30:19] Trump. You know, I remember when I was
[01:30:20] on Fox, Trump would come out and just do
[01:30:22] a random presser, just start talking
[01:30:23] about anything, whether he was a
[01:30:24] candidate or a president.
[01:30:27] >> The ratings would go through the roof.
[01:30:29] People just love him. They love
[01:30:30] listening to him. He's incredibly
[01:30:32] compelling. He's entertaining. He's
[01:30:33] smart. He's very funny. He's charming.
[01:30:36] He's self-deprecating. He's just like
[01:30:37] unlike anything you've seen. his these
[01:30:39] pressures he's doing on Air Force One
[01:30:40] where he's like, you know, rolling
[01:30:42] thunder like ask me, "Yeah, Cuba, maybe
[01:30:44] them next." Yeah, it could be, you know,
[01:30:45] like, "Yeah, that guy needs to watch his
[01:30:46] ass in Columbia." Highly entertaining.
[01:30:48] No one ever does this. You know, he got
[01:30:50] out there when he was talking to House
[01:30:52] Republicans yesterday and he was talking
[01:30:53] about the transgender uh issue and he
[01:30:56] was like, "Oh, you know, the you get the
[01:30:58] guys come in and they lift the weights
[01:30:59] like this and you get the women." He
[01:31:01] goes, "Melania hates when I do this. She
[01:31:03] hates when I do this. I'm going to do
[01:31:04] it." You get the women and they're like,
[01:31:07] [laughter]
[01:31:08] He's imitating the weak woman trying to
[01:31:10] live. Anyway, my point is he you got to
[01:31:12] love him. Um because he's funny and he's
[01:31:15] accessible. So that benefits everyone,
[01:31:17] including Fox. But when Trump is gone
[01:31:20] and we we have anybody in his set, I
[01:31:22] don't care how charming or interesting
[01:31:23] the next guy is, it's not going to be
[01:31:25] Donald Trump. I think Fox News is in a
[01:31:27] lot of trouble just like the rest of
[01:31:28] them. And I also I also think this is
[01:31:31] going to hurt them. The thing we
[01:31:33] discussed,
[01:31:35] the Fox News of yester year, which just
[01:31:37] has a knee-jerk response to things like
[01:31:39] Israel, to things like war, is out of
[01:31:43] touch with today's young Republicans.
[01:31:46] >> Yes,
[01:31:47] >> today's
[01:31:48] under 50year-old conservative men and
[01:31:52] women are over that They they
[01:31:55] are they do not want war cheerleaders or
[01:31:58] Israel cheerleaders. They have healthy
[01:32:01] skepticism of both. And if Fox doesn't
[01:32:06] start understanding that and making room
[01:32:08] with its elbow for that kind of coverage
[01:32:11] to start not just occasionally being
[01:32:13] spouted on their network, but become a
[01:32:15] serious part of the network the way
[01:32:17] Roger did after Trump took over the
[01:32:19] Republican party and started to sort of
[01:32:21] shove out the more establishment types
[01:32:23] or at least make room for the new MAGA
[01:32:25] types. They will fail. So they will
[01:32:28] continue with the Murdoch's mission or
[01:32:30] even with the old Roger Als mission
[01:32:32] which was very very neoconi at their own
[01:32:35] peril.
[01:32:37] Why do they have do you have any guess
[01:32:39] as to why that's the only issue they
[01:32:42] won't move on? They're pretty flexible.
[01:32:44] They're business people of course and
[01:32:46] they they've moved all over the map on a
[01:32:47] lot of issues but they've never wavered
[01:32:51] at all on the need for America to be
[01:32:54] involved in neocon wars. Why? Why is
[01:32:56] that the red line, do you think?
[01:32:58] >> I mean, I don't know what kind of
[01:33:00] holdings they have in the
[01:33:01] military-industrial complex. It's worth
[01:33:03] asking. I haven't actually taken a look
[01:33:04] at the Fox News board recently, but they
[01:33:06] have more money than God. They don't
[01:33:08] really need to be beholden to anybody on
[01:33:09] the money front.
[01:33:10] >> I do think the Israel front is
[01:33:12] interesting though, which is an area
[01:33:13] that causes creates neocons, and most
[01:33:16] neocons would are are defensive of
[01:33:18] Israel. And then what's happened on
[01:33:20] Israel is
[01:33:22] it it used to be
[01:33:24] you were golden to just defend Israel on
[01:33:28] everything as a Republican. Like you
[01:33:30] were expected to do it. There was
[01:33:32] absolutely no downside in doing it and
[01:33:34] you would only get rewarded for it. And
[01:33:36] it was the one group that these
[01:33:37] Republicans could take money from.
[01:33:39] There's you want to take 25 million from
[01:33:41] Miriam Miriam Eden for the East Wing
[01:33:44] renovation. No problem. No one's gonna
[01:33:46] give you a hard time. She's an American
[01:33:48] Jewish, you know, entrepreneur.
[01:33:51] Like Israel, we all love Israel on the
[01:33:53] right. It's the crazy leftists that
[01:33:55] don't like Israel. Our side loves them.
[01:33:57] And I do believe that's why you have all
[01:34:00] these records of people who are like, I
[01:34:02] voted for Israel with Israel 100% of the
[01:34:04] time. You know, Ted Cruz like I wear
[01:34:06] like a badge of honor. And I do think
[01:34:09] the Murdochs are probably still in that
[01:34:11] same mindset. Yes. and they do not have
[01:34:14] their finger on the pulse of the young
[01:34:16] people who voted Trump last time who who
[01:34:19] are critical in putting him over the
[01:34:21] line and who have started to turn on
[01:34:24] that mindset and if who do not see
[01:34:27] Israel especially now as totally aligned
[01:34:30] with American interests and values. Let
[01:34:33] me just say one other thing on it.
[01:34:36] I've been asking myself this question,
[01:34:38] Tucker, because you you cover foreign
[01:34:40] policy a lot and always have. I I it's
[01:34:42] not really my thing. This is not like I
[01:34:43] don't think people tune in to the MK
[01:34:45] show because they really want to get the
[01:34:46] latest on foreign policy. You know, I
[01:34:48] cover all domestic news, politics, law,
[01:34:51] culture, all that stuff, hard news, but
[01:34:53] I I'm not huge on foreign policy. I do
[01:34:55] cover it, but it's not my thing. Like
[01:34:58] Glenn Greenwald, it's his thing. He
[01:35:00] lives for it. Yeah.
[01:35:01] >> And he's great at it.
[01:35:02] >> Okay. I I do think that even I as I look
[01:35:06] back on like I'm pro-Israel. I say I'm
[01:35:08] I'm pro Israel. And I've been asking
[01:35:10] myself lately like how how like why
[01:35:13] exactly am I pro-Israel? And I what I've
[01:35:16] come up with is well I was raised
[01:35:18] Catholic and you know you're kind of
[01:35:20] taught from a very young age that
[01:35:22] there's an alignment Judeo-Christian
[01:35:24] values. You hear that all the time. Um
[01:35:26] you read the Old Testament you know like
[01:35:27] all of it and you sort of think okay yes
[01:35:29] I defend the Jews and I'm pro Israel.
[01:35:32] Then you get to Fox News and it's like
[01:35:33] of course you are and the Republicans
[01:35:35] all are and you're like okay I accept
[01:35:36] that. You see, like they're an important
[01:35:38] country in the Middle East and I believe
[01:35:39] what they say, which is they're in a
[01:35:40] rough neighborhood and people do want to
[01:35:42] attack them a lot. So, you know, I I
[01:35:44] understand it's a free democracy. But
[01:35:46] then you get to the point where you
[01:35:48] realize, oh, wait a minute. I've been in
[01:35:51] an organization for 14 years of my
[01:35:52] formative adult life and professional
[01:35:56] life where I wasn't even
[01:35:59] encouraged or allowed to question any of
[01:36:03] that. you know, it was just spoonfed and
[01:36:05] I swallowed it because I didn't really
[01:36:07] care. It wasn't something I was ever
[01:36:09] really focused on. So, I was like,
[01:36:10] "Yeah, sure. Okay. We love Israel." And
[01:36:12] only now, Tucker, have I begun to say
[01:36:14] like, "Wait a minute.
[01:36:18] How much of the narrative that is in our
[01:36:20] news today has been spoonfed to me by
[01:36:24] people who are super pro-Israel at all
[01:36:27] costs,
[01:36:28] >> who won't tell the truth about Israel,
[01:36:30] no matter what it is, and will cancel
[01:36:32] you if you don't don't befriend or
[01:36:36] befriend people who do. And so this
[01:36:39] whole thing has made me re-evaluate like
[01:36:42] I'm just starting from square one
[01:36:44] basically on Israel right now. And I'm
[01:36:46] actually day by day taking a much harder
[01:36:48] look at who are they, what do they do,
[01:36:51] how do I find real information on what
[01:36:53] happened in this war in Gaza that I will
[01:36:55] trust because I do know I'm being
[01:36:56] propagandized by both sides
[01:36:59] >> and how will I make up my own mind even
[01:37:02] some of the some of the narratives that
[01:37:04] we hear like I'm I'm not a fan of
[01:37:06] certainly radical Muslims and I'm not a
[01:37:09] big fan of Islam. I'm going to be
[01:37:10] honest. The tenants of it are political
[01:37:11] and I don't agree with them. But I have
[01:37:13] dear friends who are Muslims and I do
[01:37:16] start to wonder like how much of the
[01:37:18] very negative messaging about all
[01:37:20] Muslims and I've been a part of some of
[01:37:22] that negative messaging. Don't get me
[01:37:23] wrong, I'm not I'm not wavering from my
[01:37:25] position that like it's not great to
[01:37:26] have an an Islamist running New York
[01:37:29] City, but how much of the narrative has
[01:37:32] come from people who are just ardently
[01:37:34] pro- Israel and need me to hate them? Do
[01:37:37] you know what I mean?
[01:37:38] >> All of it. All of So I think it's a fair
[01:37:41] question and I'm sort of in my own
[01:37:43] search mode on that subject and others
[01:37:45] right now.
[01:37:46] >> I think lying is lying is what changes
[01:37:48] the calculation. So right after 9/11,
[01:37:51] Brit Hume and Carl Cameron did an
[01:37:52] amazing week-long series on the dancing
[01:37:54] Israelis. The Israeli intel operatives
[01:37:56] who were arrested right across from
[01:37:58] ground zero celebrating the falling of
[01:38:00] the building. And then all these Israeli
[01:38:03] intel operatives were swept up in the
[01:38:05] United States. They've been following
[01:38:06] the hijackers across the country. It was
[01:38:07] a big story. and Britt and Carl did this
[01:38:10] whole series on special report for a
[01:38:13] week and it was really super interesting
[01:38:15] and factual. Fox News deleted it from
[01:38:18] the website act like it never happened
[01:38:20] and I remember thinking why would you
[01:38:22] was was it incorrect? No, it was not
[01:38:24] incorrect. It was correct. That's why
[01:38:25] they took it off. And then I watched
[01:38:26] Judge Napoleano who was over at Fox
[01:38:28] Business get fired and I know why he was
[01:38:30] he was fired for criticizing Israel and
[01:38:34] under the previous regime they got the
[01:38:36] call got to fire him and they did. And I
[01:38:38] remember thinking that's not fair play.
[01:38:40] If you disagree with his views on
[01:38:41] Israel, tell them. Or if you think that
[01:38:43] Brit and Carl did something wrong in
[01:38:45] their series on the dancing Israelis,
[01:38:47] tell us what it was. No, it was just
[01:38:49] eliminated. It never happened. It was
[01:38:51] shut it down. And I don't think that's
[01:38:53] fair. That's not first of all, it's not
[01:38:54] journalism. Second, it's just inherently
[01:38:56] dishonest. And third, it suggests like
[01:38:58] why are you doing that? Like what is
[01:38:59] there that you're trying to hide from
[01:39:01] public view? And that's when my mind
[01:39:03] started to change a little bit.
[01:39:06] Mhm. I don't know what the what the
[01:39:08] stake is. I really don't. Now, you would
[01:39:09] know the board better than I would, but
[01:39:10] I do I think it's mostly rooted in the
[01:39:12] fact that it was always fine with
[01:39:15] absolutely no downside to just be
[01:39:16] completely in the tank for Israel.
[01:39:18] >> And I don't think they've moved out of
[01:39:20] that mindset. And I think they're going
[01:39:21] to learn the hard way that they need to
[01:39:23] because look, let's not let's not let's
[01:39:26] be straight about it. The average age of
[01:39:28] the cable news viewer is somewhere
[01:39:30] between 68 and 72. um that's not the key
[01:39:34] advertising demo and that's not going to
[01:39:36] keep the lights on for very long.
[01:39:39] >> Um they're going to have to find a way
[01:39:40] to appeal to younger viewers. And unlike
[01:39:43] our business where a download is a
[01:39:45] download, you know, you we really
[01:39:47] ironically our business which probably
[01:39:48] does appeal to more young people doesn't
[01:39:50] depend on young versus old does. It
[01:39:52] literally it's just like a click is a
[01:39:53] click. A download is a download. Their
[01:39:55] business actually does depend on the key
[01:39:57] advertising demo of 25 to 54 year olds.
[01:40:00] And that is only going to dwindle
[01:40:01] further if they are just knee-jerk
[01:40:04] defensive of Israel without giving any
[01:40:06] voice to its critics. Those days have
[01:40:09] passed. And you can thank Israel for it.
[01:40:12] I mean, they've just completed this
[01:40:13] two-year war. And nobody would have
[01:40:14] begrudged them for fighting back after
[01:40:16] 107. But it went on too long. It was too
[01:40:19] brutal. It expanded into too many
[01:40:21] different countries and then ultimately
[01:40:23] it dragged us in and and exposed us in a
[01:40:26] way that again, sort of like what we're
[01:40:28] watching in Venezuela. We still we don't
[01:40:31] know what the long-term effects of the
[01:40:32] bombing of Iran will be. Let's hope
[01:40:34] we've escaped unscathed, but we don't
[01:40:37] know. So, I I just think it's too late.
[01:40:39] Israel is too controversial. Many, many
[01:40:42] people said to them, including Trump,
[01:40:44] months before the Iraq or the Israel
[01:40:46] Gaza war wrapped up, "Stop. It's got to
[01:40:49] wrap up now. It's gone too far." And
[01:40:51] Netanyahu was going to take it further.
[01:40:52] Even then, he did. Trump had to
[01:40:54] basically grab him in a headlock and
[01:40:55] say, "Stop. Would you just take the win?
[01:40:58] Just stop. just like we're declaring
[01:41:00] victory. It's a ceasefire. Take the W.
[01:41:03] And he only did it because Trump
[01:41:05] basically threatened him that he had to.
[01:41:07] But I that that whole thing has turned
[01:41:09] young people off. They've seen again it
[01:41:11] feels like just a thirst for too much.
[01:41:14] And even Israel's numbers acknowledge
[01:41:17] tens of thousands of Gazins have been
[01:41:20] killed. And of course that includes an
[01:41:23] untold number of civilians and women and
[01:41:25] children. And I I saw the dead Israelis
[01:41:27] at the bus stop. I saw the dead
[01:41:29] children. I saw the celebrations of the
[01:41:31] rape of the women. I excuse none of that
[01:41:33] by the disgusting Hamas terrorists. But
[01:41:36] the answer was not then to respond with
[01:41:40] the deaths of civilians, which I know
[01:41:41] they say they try to prevent, but you
[01:41:42] know what? You didn't. You didn't in in
[01:41:44] large enough numbers. And you really
[01:41:46] turned a generation against you. There
[01:41:48] isn't a single Democrat in America
[01:41:50] that's pro- Israel right now. They've
[01:41:52] lost all the independents, over 70%. And
[01:41:54] as I point out, the the young people
[01:41:56] under 50 in the Republican party, you
[01:41:58] can see it in the polls and you can see
[01:41:59] it anecdotally in your business and mine
[01:42:01] have turned and are turning on Israel.
[01:42:03] So Fox News continues as it has been at
[01:42:06] its own peril.
[01:42:07] >> Yeah. Well, it'll be a well-deserved end
[01:42:09] as far as I'm concerned. Megan Kelly,
[01:42:12] thank you for your wise assessment of
[01:42:14] everything we just talked about. It's
[01:42:16] great to see you and you're killing it
[01:42:17] and I'm just I'm proud to be your
[01:42:19] friend. So, thank you.
[01:42:21] >> Right back at you, Tucker. It's a
[01:42:22] pleasure and uh I look forward to never
[01:42:24] be deffriending you. [laughter]
[01:42:25] >> Good. Well, I'm grateful. Thank you,
[01:42:28] Megan.
[01:42:29] >> See you soon.
[01:42:30] >> See you.
[01:42:32] Thank you very much. We'll be back next
[01:42:33] Wednesday.
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