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[00:00:00] What is your price? [00:00:03] Because if your price is not your life, [00:00:09] then you are for sale. [00:00:14] Okay, we are here with Dr. Jared Ross. [00:00:18] Jared, tell everyone who you are. [00:00:21] >> Thanks so much. I'm a senior fellow with [00:00:23] Do No Harm and I'm also a [00:00:25] board-certified and practicing emergency [00:00:27] medicine physician. and we're here today [00:00:29] to talk about the dransition situation [00:00:33] and and you introduce yourself. [00:00:35] >> My name is Chloe Cole. I am an advocate [00:00:38] for the protection of children [00:00:41] especially in regards to the transgender [00:00:43] issue from the medical abuse that is [00:00:46] happening in our hospital systems. I use [00:00:48] my own testimony as somebody who has [00:00:51] gone through uh the gender transition [00:00:54] process between the ages of 12 and 16 [00:00:55] and came back out of it and dransitioned [00:00:58] to help to lobby to help get laws passed [00:01:01] to address communities and colleges, [00:01:03] college students on this issue and help [00:01:05] them. [00:01:06] >> So, you transitioned from from a from a [00:01:08] woman to a man and then from a man to [00:01:10] woman. [00:01:11] >> Yes. [00:01:11] >> How old are you now? When did that [00:01:13] happen? I'm 21 and the medical process [00:01:16] began for me at 13 with a with chemical [00:01:18] castration agents to stop my puberty. [00:01:21] Um, they put me on testosterone very [00:01:23] shortly after that. And when I was 15, [00:01:24] before I even had a driver's license, [00:01:26] they surgically removed my breasts. [00:01:28] >> Did you decide that you wanted to do [00:01:29] that? Was it your parents? Was it your [00:01:31] friends? How did you come to the [00:01:32] decision at 13 to do that? [00:01:34] >> I was mistaken that I was a boy because [00:01:36] I was a tomboy. I had insecurities [00:01:39] around my body, especially because I was [00:01:41] developing a little bit young and I had [00:01:43] some sexual trauma that was unressed. [00:01:45] But rather than my doctor challenging [00:01:47] these ideas, they said that all these [00:01:50] other issues I had were a result of my [00:01:52] gender dysphoria and that the only way [00:01:54] to fix me was by medically experimenting [00:01:56] on me. [00:01:56] >> Gender dysphoria and and uh uh it was [00:01:59] sexual trauma, things that you went [00:02:00] through in your in your past that led [00:02:02] you to to come to this decision. [00:02:04] >> Yes. But all things considered, a lot of [00:02:05] what I was experiencing was just normal [00:02:07] teenage angst around growing up that [00:02:09] most kids experience. [00:02:11] >> So you at what point did you decide this [00:02:14] is I'm going to go back to to to my real [00:02:16] being a woman? [00:02:18] >> I think the surgery was probably the [00:02:21] most difficult part to deal with both [00:02:23] physically and emotionally. And I also [00:02:26] was growing up a little bit. I was 15 [00:02:27] going on 16 and thinking about what my [00:02:30] future would look like beyond me being a [00:02:32] so-called man, right? beyond superficial [00:02:35] things like what school I want to go to [00:02:36] or um what career I'd want to have. I [00:02:39] started to wonder, I mean, I'd never had [00:02:41] a first kiss before by that point in [00:02:42] time. And I thought, well, what if I get [00:02:46] married one day? What if I want to have [00:02:48] kids? And it was then that I learned I [00:02:49] have a maternal instinct. I feel like I [00:02:51] have a responsibility to carry on [00:02:55] my my lineage, my values, pass it down [00:02:58] to my children, and to stop taking these [00:03:01] treatments that might compromise my [00:03:03] ability to do that. And it was something [00:03:05] that has caused me various medical [00:03:08] complications that are still lasting [00:03:09] even 5 years afterward. But thankfully, [00:03:12] I have healed quite a lot since then, [00:03:14] physically, emotionally, spiritually. [00:03:16] And it's really helped to be able to [00:03:18] repurpose everything that me and my [00:03:20] family went through for the greater good [00:03:21] and to prevent what happened to me from [00:03:23] happening ever again. [00:03:24] >> So, it sounds like your intuition, your [00:03:26] instincts as a woman came into into [00:03:28] being when you in your teenage years, [00:03:31] you realize this. Well, I'm sorry you [00:03:33] went through that. [00:03:35] >> You're a beautiful woman and thank you [00:03:36] for and now you have a purpose in life [00:03:38] to to coach and mentor other people. And [00:03:40] how is that purpose going for you? [00:03:43] >> It's been an incredible experience these [00:03:45] last four years. I started speaking out [00:03:46] when I was 17 and I was actually still [00:03:48] on the the tail end of my senior year of [00:03:50] high school and I thought I was just [00:03:53] going to have like a Twitter account and [00:03:54] maybe have like a few thousand [00:03:55] followers. All of a sudden like I [00:03:56] started having journalists reaching out [00:03:58] to me these big publications and then I [00:04:00] was asked to testify on state laws to [00:04:02] help protect children. [00:04:03] >> Testify in Congress. This California [00:04:05] where? [00:04:05] >> Yes. I I've I've testified in well over [00:04:10] about 20 30 states now. Um I've I spoke [00:04:13] to Congress on my 19th birthday. Um and [00:04:16] I also have a turning point as well to [00:04:19] address my generation on this issue [00:04:20] because I mean there's only so much you [00:04:22] can do in the world of business. Right. [00:04:23] It's incredibly important that we get [00:04:24] this banned that we make sure that [00:04:26] people who have been hurt will have a [00:04:27] way out and that this will never happen [00:04:29] again. But we also I think my generation [00:04:33] is grappling with a massive identity [00:04:35] crisis that extends well beyond [00:04:36] transgenderism. We're trying to find our [00:04:39] purpose, our meaning in life. Um the [00:04:42] reason why God put us here on this [00:04:44] earth. I think everybody my age is [00:04:46] struggling with that. And I want to be [00:04:48] able to use not just my experience, but [00:04:49] everything I've learned over the past [00:04:50] few years to help people my age to to do [00:04:53] all those things. [00:04:54] >> We'll get to you, doctor, in a moment. [00:04:55] This is just so fascinating to me. And [00:04:57] pardon my ignorance on the issue, but do [00:04:59] you um I mean how many people that have [00:05:01] you met in your journey that you've [00:05:04] inspired went through what you like [00:05:06] hundreds I'm I'm certain [00:05:07] >> I personally have met over a hundred in [00:05:10] person but there is a massive community [00:05:12] of I think tens of thousands of people [00:05:15] online who are speaking about this even [00:05:16] just like in private forums but I think [00:05:18] that the number is a lot larger than we [00:05:20] realize. A lot of these activists, these [00:05:23] transgender activist types and doctors [00:05:25] even will say like, "Oh, it's less than [00:05:27] like 1% of people who dransition, but we [00:05:29] don't know that because there's no [00:05:30] reliable way in the medical system to [00:05:32] report regrets or stopping transition." [00:05:34] And they don't follow up. They have [00:05:36] really terribly done studies on this [00:05:37] that I don't really have enough time to [00:05:38] get into, but I would suggest reading [00:05:40] these studies on on your own to see just [00:05:42] how flawed they are and just how much [00:05:44] this entire thing is based around [00:05:45] ideology. There was a dogma around [00:05:47] transitioning and the left has used it [00:05:50] as this powerful political tool. [00:05:52] >> When I was growing up in the '9s, I [00:05:54] didn't see a lot of this, but now it it [00:05:56] what was the reason for it happening [00:05:58] recently? [00:05:59] >> So, this actually has been ongoing for I [00:06:01] think over a hundred years. Um, but it [00:06:03] was in the '9s that they began to [00:06:05] experiment on children because [00:06:06] researchers were following up on adult [00:06:09] males who were transitioning, right? [00:06:10] They still looked like men in dresses [00:06:11] and they were like becoming increasingly [00:06:13] unhappy and because of that and they [00:06:17] said well we wish we did this when we [00:06:18] were younger. I wish we wish we didn't [00:06:19] go through male puberty so we could have [00:06:21] actually looked like like men and the [00:06:23] researchers took this to mean we should [00:06:24] start experimenting on kids and start [00:06:26] seeing if we can identify these people [00:06:27] to start doing it as young as possible. [00:06:30] And that I mean that theory that the [00:06:33] younger you go the more you look like [00:06:34] the opposite sex um is incredibly you [00:06:38] you'll be you'll be happier is [00:06:40] incredibly flawed because it ignores how [00:06:42] dangerous it actually is to do to a [00:06:43] developing body. [00:06:44] >> Do you think it's also just you know [00:06:46] looking as an outsider looking in I just [00:06:48] you know felt that people perhaps uh [00:06:51] wanted to be different they just wanted [00:06:53] to be you know it's like a kind of a [00:06:55] cultural thing. Is there a truth in [00:06:57] that? [00:06:57] >> Sure. I mean this is like a huge [00:06:59] cultural movement in the last decade and [00:07:01] if you look at the people who are [00:07:03] involved in this many of them are people [00:07:06] who are looking for a sense of community [00:07:08] somewhere where they feel like they can [00:07:10] be recognized and be accepted for for [00:07:14] the who they say they truly are but um [00:07:18] very clearly are putting on a mask I [00:07:20] believe. [00:07:21] >> Well Dr. Jared Ross tell us what type of [00:07:24] doctor you are and your involvement in [00:07:25] this movement. So, I'm an emergency [00:07:27] medicine doctor by training and I came [00:07:30] to do no harm through the DEI side of [00:07:34] things. I was forced to sign an implicit [00:07:37] bias pledge by the board that certifies [00:07:40] me, the American Board of Emergency [00:07:41] Medicine. Came in to do no harm and [00:07:44] started working on both restoring merit [00:07:47] to medicine and uh combating DEI as well [00:07:50] as on the gender issue. And uh we've [00:07:54] made a lot of progress on both the [00:07:56] gender issue specifically. [00:07:59] 26 states have various bans in place [00:08:03] protecting minors from this type of [00:08:04] care. And then we've got federal [00:08:08] legislation including executive orders [00:08:11] from Trump uh right after he came into [00:08:14] office that are just now being put into [00:08:16] place by Health and Human Services and [00:08:19] the FDA. One of the things that people [00:08:21] say to me here is that we should go [00:08:23] undercover and expose. This is something [00:08:26] I I actually, you know, usually I don't [00:08:27] say this on camera, but hey, what the [00:08:30] heck? Might be someone watching that [00:08:31] wants to wear a hidden camera, expose [00:08:32] this. One of my ideas I I'd love to go [00:08:35] record cinematically these these doctors [00:08:38] manipulating these kids, but there's [00:08:40] HIPPA laws. And one of the things that [00:08:42] you said off camera was as a journalist [00:08:44] that might not affect me, but it might [00:08:46] apply to the doctor. And obviously we [00:08:48] would blur the the victim, but talk a [00:08:50] minute about, you know, how it kind of [00:08:52] works if if a young 12-year-old or [00:08:54] whatever the case may be, 13-year-old is [00:08:56] in the doctor's office, doctor comes in [00:08:58] and kind of tells them to to how to [00:09:00] mutilate themselves. How does that work? [00:09:02] >> Yeah, it's really sick and perverted. I [00:09:05] think these kids get indoctrinated. [00:09:07] They're they're struggling kids whether [00:09:09] it's sexual abuse or physical trauma, [00:09:12] autism, depression, anxiety, [00:09:15] they, you know, are looking for an [00:09:17] answer. And what they find, whether it's [00:09:19] through social media or their school [00:09:21] guidance counselor or their [00:09:23] pediatrician, is they're told, "No, [00:09:26] don't worry about your mental health [00:09:27] issues. We're just gonna pump you full [00:09:31] of puberty blockers, cross- sex [00:09:33] hormones, and chop off body parts, and [00:09:36] you'll be you'll be perfectly fine. [00:09:38] >> And and and um in dransitioning, you [00:09:41] know, are you able to fully recover? [00:09:44] >> No. So, there's this lie that even [00:09:46] puberty blockers are are fully [00:09:48] reversible, and they're not. We know [00:09:50] that it stunts growth. It inhibits bone [00:09:53] development. So, these kids who are on [00:09:55] puberty blockers grow up to have [00:09:56] osteoporosis. They are at increased [00:09:58] risk. [00:09:59] >> Yeah. They're at increased risk for hip [00:10:02] fractures, spinal fractures, and that's [00:10:04] not to mention cross- sex hormones, [00:10:07] which cause permanent changes in the [00:10:09] body. For girls who take testosterone, [00:10:11] the voice is permanently deepened. For [00:10:14] boys who take estrogen, they grow [00:10:16] breasts, they have a rounder face. Those [00:10:19] are changes that don't reverse. And [00:10:21] then, you know, if you start cutting off [00:10:22] body parts, uh those body parts don't [00:10:25] grow back. [00:10:27] And I'd like to add that I mean there [00:10:32] is not a single group of people I've [00:10:34] seen that has nearly as many physical [00:10:37] disabilities as dransitioners and [00:10:40] transgender people who are. So these are [00:10:42] people who are going into their their [00:10:44] late teens and their early 20s who [00:10:49] they they have to they have to use [00:10:52] canes. They they have to use walkers and [00:10:54] other mobility devices. And you just [00:10:56] have to wonder why is that? And the [00:10:58] truth is these treatments are disabling. [00:11:01] They do not make you healthier. They do [00:11:03] not make you more whole. They take away [00:11:05] completely healthy function from your [00:11:07] body and it messes with your health in [00:11:10] more ways than we will even we will even [00:11:12] understand right now. [00:11:13] >> So we're here at Amfest. We only have a [00:11:16] few minutes left. Um you know we have a [00:11:18] picture here of me and Charlie Kirk. [00:11:20] This is of four years ago. Um he has the [00:11:22] shirt that says never surrender. This is [00:11:23] a picture of me that an artist painted, [00:11:26] but it was a photograph. It's kind of [00:11:28] funny. He was playing with my [00:11:29] bulletproof vest. Um, you know, one of [00:11:32] the things that people are very afraid [00:11:33] and you're you're not afraid. You're [00:11:35] doing you're a leader and and I give you [00:11:38] a lot of credit for the work that you're [00:11:39] testifying. You're you're inspiring [00:11:41] people. Um, not everyone would do what [00:11:44] you're doing. People have been through [00:11:45] what you've been through, but not [00:11:46] everyone's willing to speak up. What [00:11:48] What led you to do this to have the [00:11:51] courage to do what you're doing? It's [00:11:52] really funny because when I first [00:11:54] started doing this stuff, I for most of [00:11:55] my life I was known as the shy kid, the [00:11:58] quiet one, the artistic one, and I was [00:12:01] never really the type to put myself out [00:12:03] there a whole lot. But with everything [00:12:06] that I've been through and eventually [00:12:07] with my burgeoning faith, I felt [00:12:11] compelled to to challenge that part of [00:12:13] myself to to be outspoken because I knew [00:12:16] the cost this has cost me and my family [00:12:20] personally. [00:12:21] And I knew that I wasn't alone and that [00:12:23] the next generation deserves to live in [00:12:26] a better world than I grew up in. [00:12:28] >> How did it cost you and your family? [00:12:31] >> It really my mom and dad, they didn't [00:12:34] push this on me, but they were told by [00:12:35] the doctors they were emotionally [00:12:36] manipulated into believing that I my [00:12:38] life would be on the line if they did [00:12:40] not say yes to this. And this lie was [00:12:42] pedled to them not just once but many [00:12:46] many times over the years that if I [00:12:49] wasn't if I wasn't given as early [00:12:51] intervention as possible I would take my [00:12:52] own life but I wasn't suicidal until I [00:12:55] began these treatments and with how much [00:12:57] stress I was in. I had compromised our [00:13:00] relationship for a little while and my [00:13:03] mom and dad and I we've all been [00:13:05] traumatized by the whole ordeal. And [00:13:08] there was a point in time when they [00:13:09] weren't sure that I was even going to [00:13:10] make it. I didn't think that I was ever [00:13:12] going to be a successful person. I [00:13:14] didn't think that I I thought I was [00:13:16] making plans to take my own life after I [00:13:18] transitioned actually. But [00:13:20] >> you mentioned [00:13:21] >> something kept me kept me persevering [00:13:23] and I wanted to [00:13:25] I wanted to fight for a better world for [00:13:27] my nieces and nephews and for my mom and [00:13:29] dad to for our relationship to be to [00:13:32] heal one day. [00:13:34] >> Your faith uh your burgeoning faith, how [00:13:36] did that play a role in leading you to [00:13:38] have the courage and where did that come [00:13:40] from? [00:13:41] So for years I wondered what keeps me [00:13:45] going. I've been through. I've lost so [00:13:48] much, but why am I still here? And [00:13:53] what's compelling me just keep moving [00:13:55] forward? And [00:13:58] I when I do transitions, [00:14:01] I felt the same emptiness and confusion [00:14:04] as before my my transition because I was [00:14:07] looking for a sense of meaning and [00:14:09] identity again. And I came to realize [00:14:12] that [00:14:13] I'm never [00:14:15] If I keep chasing just myself, [00:14:20] if I just keep chasing happiness and [00:14:24] my own foolish feelings, [00:14:26] then I'm only going to get hurt. That's [00:14:28] exactly what happened here. But there is [00:14:30] a higher power who I can trust in, who [00:14:33] has beautifully created me in his own [00:14:35] image. [00:14:36] And [00:14:39] if [00:14:41] I trust in the word, if I trust in his [00:14:44] will for me and his purpose for me, [00:14:48] I'm going to get further than I ever [00:14:50] would have just on my own. [00:14:52] >> Where did that come from? Was there an [00:14:54] epiphany in your life? Did you read the [00:14:56] Bible? Was it something you someone you [00:14:58] met? Where did that inspiration come [00:15:00] from? [00:15:00] >> It was a series of epiphies over time. [00:15:02] It was never just one moment. But after [00:15:06] I started to speak out actually was when [00:15:09] my faith started to come into my life. [00:15:11] And it was because there were so many [00:15:12] different there were so many men and [00:15:14] women of all sorts of different walks of [00:15:16] life. Some of whom I was working with, [00:15:17] some of whom were legislators or other [00:15:21] people who were helping me through this [00:15:24] professionally. But a lot of them were [00:15:26] also people who I developed uh personal [00:15:28] relationships with who they loved me in [00:15:32] a very unique way that I had never been [00:15:33] before. for I mean I was fresh coming [00:15:35] out of the cult where I was lovebombed [00:15:36] at first and then they were tried to [00:15:38] compel me to kill myself after I came [00:15:39] out and they were the ones to tell me [00:15:44] you are beautiful the way that you are [00:15:46] no matter what you've lost God is going [00:15:48] to use all of it and you can use it to [00:15:51] help other people out of their same pain [00:15:54] >> so sounds like a lot of love and [00:15:56] kindness and and goodness that inspired [00:15:58] you [00:15:58] >> and the true sense of it and these [00:15:59] people a lot I think a lot of leftists [00:16:02] believe that to love somebody, you have [00:16:04] to say yes to everything that they want [00:16:06] and focus only on what they want rather [00:16:08] than what they need. But I think that [00:16:10] accountability is one of the highest [00:16:12] forms of love and you cannot love [00:16:15] somebody without upholding the truth for [00:16:17] them. [00:16:17] >> Accountability is one of the highest [00:16:19] forms of love and we need more [00:16:21] accountability in 2026. Um little [00:16:23] controversial question and I'll doctor [00:16:25] I'll give you maybe the last word but um [00:16:27] one of the things that we uncover at OMG [00:16:29] is doing undercover work in DC is it [00:16:32] seems like [00:16:34] all the guys are gay and one of the [00:16:37] things I've heard from many women here [00:16:39] at the conference who perhaps are trying [00:16:40] to find a husband or whatever the case [00:16:41] may be is all the men are gay. Is it the [00:16:44] water? Is it the food? Is it the lack of [00:16:47] father figures? Is it narcissism? What's [00:16:49] going on? I think that it's a mix of a [00:16:53] lot of those things and so much more. I [00:16:54] think that we in the past maybe hundred [00:16:59] years or so, our country and our [00:17:00] especially our culture has been so [00:17:02] downhill. It was the church that used to [00:17:04] be the foundation of our culture, but [00:17:06] we've increasingly secular sec seculariz [00:17:09] secularized and we are focusing more on [00:17:13] the self. we're focusing more on the [00:17:14] things that we see in secular media um [00:17:17] that doesn't have a solid found solid [00:17:21] foundation of values behind it. And [00:17:25] I think with this [00:17:28] we've become such an ideologically [00:17:30] focused society that we've forgotten how [00:17:32] to become human and we focus so much on [00:17:34] science that we are allowing children to [00:17:37] live a lie. [00:17:38] >> Yeah. [00:17:40] >> Well, what do you think? [00:17:43] I think there's, you know, a lot of [00:17:45] things that are being brought to the [00:17:47] limelight and there's a lot that we [00:17:49] don't know. We don't know the long-term [00:17:51] effects of the pesticides that are being [00:17:54] used on our food, the artificial [00:17:56] fertilizers. [00:17:58] Uh we don't know about these exposure to [00:18:01] plastics. Actually, we do know about [00:18:03] some of them that they're plasticizers [00:18:05] that make plastic softer are endocrine [00:18:08] disruptors. And so how does that affect [00:18:11] us as we're in the womb and developing? [00:18:15] We just don't know. We obviously can't [00:18:17] do randomized control trials on humans. [00:18:21] There's some work in rodents and other [00:18:23] models to try to figure that out. [00:18:25] >> It seems to be a big problem and the [00:18:27] testosterone and men and and that kind [00:18:29] of thing and and uh we need strong [00:18:31] strong men to be the leaders. Anything [00:18:33] else you want to add to this discussion [00:18:35] and your work here? I think it's great [00:18:38] that we've got bans in 26 states. We've [00:18:41] got some very uh recent forward motion [00:18:45] from the federal government, from HHS, [00:18:47] and from the FDA. The House of [00:18:49] Representatives just passed Marjorie [00:18:51] Taylor Green's bill last week. We uh you [00:18:54] know, want to see that in front of the [00:18:56] Senate as well. Um but we also need to [00:18:58] make sure that this doesn't go [00:19:00] undercover and that's where you can [00:19:02] really help. We know you do amazing [00:19:05] undercover journalism work to make sure [00:19:07] that these doctors aren't skirting these [00:19:10] state and federal laws and mutilating [00:19:12] kids under the table in hiding miscoding [00:19:16] insurance bills. Well, people always [00:19:20] say, James O'Keefe, you need to do this. [00:19:21] And I say you need to do this cuz we [00:19:25] need you. people out there in the uh [00:19:27] medical offices, maybe even a child who [00:19:30] isn't transitioning but might pretend to [00:19:32] be to expose this. We'll protect the [00:19:35] privacy of the victims. We're not going [00:19:36] to show any of that, but if there are [00:19:38] doctors that are manipulating this and [00:19:40] they're behaving like this, it needs to [00:19:42] be exposed. Um, where can people find [00:19:44] your work? Have Have you written a book [00:19:45] yet? Have you? [00:19:48] >> So, I'm working on it. I would love to [00:19:50] release a book in within the next three [00:19:52] years, but I am primarily on social [00:19:56] media right now. I'm on X and Instagram, [00:19:58] and I am planning on releasing more [00:20:00] video content in the the next coming [00:20:02] years as well. So, you can find me uh my [00:20:04] my handle on Instagram is true, C O's C, [00:20:10] and you can find me on X, Khloe Cole. [00:20:13] >> How about you, doctor? How can people [00:20:14] support your work? [00:20:15] >> And people can find me on social, Dr. [00:20:18] Jared Ross, Dr. Jared Ross, and join our [00:20:22] organization. Completely free to join. [00:20:25] It's do no harm. Do no harm.org. [00:20:30] Do no harm medicine.org. [00:20:34] >> Is that medicine? Do no harm medicine. [00:20:37] >> Do no harm medicine. [00:20:38] >> Yes. Do no harm.org. [00:20:41] Thank you for being here and thank you [00:20:42] for your courage. What is your price? [00:20:47] Because if your price is not your life, [00:20:52] then you are for sale.