Charlie Kirk’s Most Impactful Immigration Debates of 2025

[00:00:00] So, I have um I have a couple points [00:00:01] that I want to talk about in illegal [00:00:04] immigration. Um is it okay if I write if [00:00:07] I say all of them with no interruption? [00:00:09] Okay, cool. So, first, illegal [00:00:12] immigrants power our economy. There are [00:00:14] 50% of US farm workers harvesting the [00:00:16] food on our tables and fill 70% of [00:00:18] construction jobs in states like Texas. [00:00:21] They pay 13 billion annually in taxes, [00:00:23] including 2 billion to Social Security [00:00:25] that they can't claim. Deporting them [00:00:27] would slash agriculture output by 60 [00:00:29] billion and raise food prices by 6%. [00:00:33] Why gut our farms and wallets when these [00:00:36] workers fuel our prosperity? That's my [00:00:38] first point. Second point, they [00:00:39] strengthen our communities with lower [00:00:41] crime rates. So in Texas, undocumented [00:00:44] undocumented immigrants have a 26 lower [00:00:46] percent homicide conviction rates. So [00:00:50] which is 2.2 per 100,000 versus three [00:00:53] for nativeorn citizens. Nationally, [00:00:55] immigrants are incarcerated at half the [00:00:57] rate of native born where it's 85% [00:01:00] versus 1.71%. [00:01:03] Uh that's according to Bureau of Justice [00:01:05] Statistics from 2019. So if safety is [00:01:09] your goal, why deport people who make [00:01:11] our streets safer? This is my third [00:01:13] point. Uh mass deportation tears apart [00:01:16] American families. Over 4.4 4 million US [00:01:18] citizens uh children have an [00:01:20] undocumented parent and in Texas one in [00:01:23] seven kids lives in a mixed status [00:01:25] household. Um okay this is my fourth [00:01:28] point. Deportation is a fiscal [00:01:30] nightmare. Removing 11 million people [00:01:33] would cost 315 to 400 billion more than [00:01:37] the entire homeland security budget and [00:01:39] shrink our GDP by 1.7 trillion over 10 [00:01:42] years. And um this is my last point. Our [00:01:47] immigration system is broken, pushing [00:01:50] people to cross illegally. Visa waits [00:01:52] Mexicans can exceed 20 years and the [00:01:54] asylum blockages 1.3 million cases with [00:01:57] hearings four to six years out. Uh, [00:02:00] okay. [00:02:01] >> You done? [00:02:02] >> That's pretty much it. Yeah. Yeah. [00:02:04] >> All right. So, without looking at the [00:02:05] phone, look at me. What should the [00:02:06] penalty be for breaking into America? [00:02:08] >> I think there should be a system where [00:02:10] it's more merit-based. So, if this [00:02:11] person [00:02:11] >> No penalty. So, what is the penalty? So, [00:02:13] what what what should happen? [00:02:14] >> It's a f It's not a penalty. It's a mis [00:02:17] that's not true. It's 8 USC 1312. You [00:02:18] can look it up right now. [00:02:19] >> It's a felony if it's done twice. [00:02:21] Correct. That is correct. That is not [00:02:22] correct. I Googled it, dude. To [00:02:24] illegally go across the southern border [00:02:25] with the well intent to come into harbor [00:02:27] yourself into the interior of the United [00:02:28] States to violation of 8 USC 1312, which [00:02:31] is a felony in the federal criminal [00:02:32] code. Now, it can be enforced as a [00:02:34] misdemeanor or it can be upwards to 5 [00:02:35] years in prison. Now, I want to know [00:02:37] since it's a felony, law on the books, 8 [00:02:39] USC 1312, what should the penalty be? Um [00:02:42] well, [00:02:45] in my opinion, these kinds of like um [00:02:47] laws are not are are usually they're [00:02:50] they're [00:02:52] um what do you call it? They're um [00:02:56] sorry. [00:02:59] >> Usually the the the like the the [00:03:02] sorry [00:03:05] >> um wait. Sorry. Can I can I chuck my [00:03:07] phone real quick? I apologize. [00:03:09] [cheering] [00:03:12] Can you can you repeat the the question? [00:03:14] Sorry. [00:03:16] >> What should the penalty be? [00:03:17] >> Penalty be [00:03:18] >> for someone that breaks or comes into [00:03:21] America illegally? What should the [00:03:22] penalty be? [00:03:23] >> I think there should be a a merit system [00:03:25] where the people Okay, the penalty. All [00:03:26] right, let's [00:03:27] >> that's not the answer. It's a very [00:03:28] simple moral and legal question. What [00:03:31] should the penalty be if you come into [00:03:33] America illegally? Okay. So, since it's [00:03:35] a misdemeanor, not a felony, [00:03:36] misdemeanor. I just told you it's not. [00:03:39] You can look up on your chat GPT. What [00:03:41] is 8 USC? Look up what is 8 USC 1312. [00:03:44] >> No, I I know. I've already looked it up. [00:03:46] >> Yes. It's which is [00:03:47] >> when it's your second time crossing the [00:03:49] border illegally, then it becomes a [00:03:51] felony. It can it can be and it is [00:03:54] enforced as a felony and it usually is [00:03:57] done as a misdemeanor citation because [00:03:59] no one has the stones to do 20 million [00:04:01] felony you know uh applications. [00:04:04] >> Okay. [00:04:05] >> So I just want to ask [00:04:07] >> what should the penalty be then [00:04:10] >> for someone that comes into this country [00:04:12] illegally? [00:04:15] >> Usually there's there's three ways that [00:04:17] go about this. when there's a penalty. [00:04:18] It's there's either like a fine or there [00:04:20] is some kind of like uh public service [00:04:22] that this person does. Um or you send [00:04:25] them back. But but [00:04:26] >> send it back. I agree. That's what we [00:04:27] should do. [00:04:28] >> Okay. Okay. So, [cheering] okay. So, [00:04:31] this is this is interesting. So, one of [00:04:33] the stats, one of the statistics that I [00:04:34] read said that illegal immigrants don't [00:04:38] cause as much as much like ille they [00:04:41] don't break the law as often as people [00:04:42] who are native born. That is statistic. [00:04:45] But every single one of them are [00:04:46] criminals. They're all criminals. [00:04:47] >> They're okay. Sure. By law. By law. No. [00:04:50] By law. Of course. Of course they are. [00:04:51] >> Wait. So if they if they if they commit [00:04:52] less crime and they're all criminals. [00:04:55] >> Wait a second. By definition, [00:04:57] >> they they all have broken the law by [00:04:58] being here. And they break the law every [00:05:00] day by staying here cuz you're actually [00:05:01] not allowed to stay here either. Do you [00:05:03] know that? So every day you're here, [00:05:04] you're actually continually breaking the [00:05:06] law. You can't break in or harbor. [00:05:08] That's what the federal law says. So by [00:05:10] breaking in, it's not just the only law [00:05:12] they broke. every second you remain [00:05:14] here, you're also breaking the law. So [00:05:16] that statistic is invalidated by just [00:05:18] them breathing here, they're breaking [00:05:19] the law. [00:05:19] >> No, of course not. Of course not. So of [00:05:21] course it makes sense for them when [00:05:22] they're here, they're breaking the law [00:05:23] because they're illegal immigrants, [00:05:24] obviously. Obviously. But once they're [00:05:26] Okay. Yeah. Of course. So once they're [00:05:27] here, once they are here, what kind of [00:05:29] harm are they actually doing? When you [00:05:31] look at the numbers, statistically No. [00:05:32] No, that's not true. Okay. [00:05:33] >> Black wages have gone up. Okay. In [00:05:35] Texas, [00:05:35] >> DUIs have gone up dramatic dramatically. [00:05:37] >> Try not to interrupt, bro. Hold on. I I [00:05:39] I'm I'm interjecting and I let you go [00:05:42] uninterrupted with your whole siloquy, [00:05:44] right? So [00:05:45] >> So let me just let me ask you a question [00:05:47] now. [00:05:47] >> Okay. [00:05:48] >> So if it is correct [00:05:50] >> Yeah. [00:05:51] >> that illegal aliens commit less crimes, [00:05:53] which of course it's not correct. [00:05:54] >> That is correct. Look it up. In Texas, [00:05:55] they made a study in 2019. 26% are lower [00:05:58] >> is any crime. It's just not correct. But [00:06:00] I'm not going to debate that. It's it's [00:06:01] it's I just pro I just proved it at its [00:06:03] face because they commit a crime by [00:06:05] being here every day. That is a crime. [00:06:06] >> Okay. Once they are here, what kind of [00:06:07] crimes are they committing? which is [00:06:08] >> okay. Well, [00:06:09] >> they're they're 26%. [00:06:11] >> Do you know the name Lake and Riley? [00:06:14] >> No. Educate me. [00:06:15] >> Oh, you don't? [00:06:16] >> No. No. [00:06:17] >> Do you know Wow. Do you know the name [00:06:19] Rachel Morren? [00:06:21] >> No, I don't. [00:06:23] >> Wow. [00:06:24] >> Educate me. What? What? [00:06:25] >> So Lake and Riley was a girl at the [00:06:27] University of Georgia. Okay. [00:06:28] >> There was a peeping Tommy illegal alien [00:06:30] that was deported five times prior and [00:06:32] Biden kept on letting him back in. He [00:06:34] hunted her down, raped her, sodomized [00:06:36] her, and murdered her on a hiking trail [00:06:38] University of Georgia. [00:06:39] >> Rachel, one person doesn't represent [00:06:40] alligants. Every person who is killed by [00:06:42] an illegal alien is one that should not [00:06:44] happen. Every single one. [00:06:46] >> Of course. And also the ones that are [00:06:47] born. [00:06:48] >> Everyone. And so that's the point is [00:06:50] that it's not a matter of the rate. [00:06:52] >> The the rate, even if I accept your [00:06:54] premise, which is incorrect, the rate is [00:06:56] irrelevant. The number is what's [00:06:58] relevant. There should be zero illegal [00:07:00] aliens. There should be zero Americans [00:07:01] being killed by illegals. Not to [00:07:03] mention, there's six other problems with [00:07:04] the illegal aliens. They steal social [00:07:06] security numbers. They depress wages. [00:07:09] They are heavily involved. By the way, [00:07:10] not to mention a lot of people that [00:07:13] cross on the southern border are also [00:07:14] smuggling girls, weapons, and drugs [00:07:16] alongside the southern border when they [00:07:17] come. It's the largest slavering oper [00:07:19] slavery operation in American history [00:07:21] that many illegal aliens help make [00:07:23] possible on the southern border. And I [00:07:24] guess the final question I'll have is, [00:07:27] should a government serve its citizens [00:07:30] first and foremost? [00:07:31] >> No, of course. Of course. Well, okay. [00:07:33] There's many there's been many people [00:07:34] who are like very political leaders who [00:07:36] have said that this place is built off [00:07:38] of immigrants. [00:07:40] >> Oh, is it Well, hold on. Let's think [00:07:41] about that. Was a was First of all, it's [00:07:43] legal, not illegal. But was America [00:07:45] founded by immigrants or settlers? [00:07:47] >> Settlers. [00:07:48] >> That's not an immigrant. [00:07:49] >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's not my [00:07:51] point. My point is that people [00:07:52] >> You brought up the the nation built by [00:07:54] immigrants? [00:07:55] >> Yeah. Because the political leaders have [00:07:57] said that this place is built [00:07:58] >> Yeah. They're wrong. Political leaders [00:08:01] are wrong. George W. Bush is wrong. All [00:08:03] these political leaders who have built [00:08:05] America. [00:08:05] >> By the way, the first person to say that [00:08:06] was [00:08:07] >> How is that wrong when illegal [00:08:08] immigrants make they grow the economy [00:08:11] statistically? [00:08:12] >> Allow me again. Allow me to build it out [00:08:14] for you. [00:08:15] >> Immigrants have helped at times in [00:08:17] American history. But we are first and [00:08:18] foremost a nation founded by settlers. [00:08:20] Immigrants come to a country already [00:08:21] built. Settlers come to a barren place [00:08:23] and build something new. This land was [00:08:25] barren when people came in the 1840s [00:08:28] gold rush. This was not an easy place to [00:08:29] live. Yeah, [00:08:30] >> California was not exactly [00:08:32] industrialized. There was not immigrants [00:08:34] coming west to California. Those were [00:08:35] settlers building a new place around, [00:08:37] you know, western western values. [00:08:40] Finally, I would just ask the question, [00:08:42] >> do you see a moral distinction between a [00:08:44] legal immigrant and an illegal [00:08:45] immigrant? [00:08:46] >> Well, the argument is that they're [00:08:48] cutting in line. Like their argument is [00:08:49] that they're cutting in line in the [00:08:50] 20ear process that it would take for [00:08:52] someone to be to cross. [00:08:53] >> It's not 20, but [00:08:54] >> yeah, at most it's 20. At most it's 20. [00:08:55] Right now, there's around like 1.2 [00:08:57] million people who are currently [00:08:58] waiting. That would take six to seven [00:09:00] years for a hearing. [00:09:01] >> And by the way, no one has a right to [00:09:02] come to this country. Just to be clear, [00:09:04] >> wait, let me stay on track of what I was [00:09:06] going to say. Okay. So, so people people [00:09:09] who come here usually almost all the [00:09:11] time when they come here, it's they [00:09:13] benefit society. They benefit society. [00:09:15] There's studies that have done this. [00:09:17] >> Not necessarily. [00:09:18] >> Okay. Not necessarily, but overall in [00:09:20] general, you look overall mentally [00:09:23] disagree with that. [00:09:24] >> You can't disagree with a fact. [00:09:25] >> Hold on. Do you think Elon Omar has [00:09:27] enriched the United States of America? [00:09:30] I I don't know who [00:09:31] >> do you think Rashida Talib? [00:09:33] >> Uhhuh. [00:09:34] >> I mean I could go through person by [00:09:35] person by person. [00:09:36] >> Sorry I don't know these people. Are [00:09:37] these people who have like are illegal [00:09:38] immigrants that have caused harm? [00:09:40] >> Yeah. Again I if you don't know I don't [00:09:41] mean to pick on you. It's fine. But I I [00:09:43] guess the the final question is [00:09:45] >> sure. [00:09:45] >> Do you have any concern that there are [00:09:48] too many people coming into this country [00:09:50] and we're a nation of strangers not a [00:09:51] nation of neighbors? [00:09:52] >> If the people who are coming are [00:09:53] creating America making it more growing [00:09:55] like the economy is growing then what [00:09:57] harm is that doing? Especially if the [00:09:58] people that an economy though, aren't [00:10:00] we? We're a culture. We're a language. [00:10:02] >> Of course. Okay. So, let's talk about [00:10:03] that front. When they come here, they [00:10:05] don't have any kind of they're not [00:10:06] committing as more more crimes than the [00:10:08] people who are already here. That is [00:10:09] we've already dispelled that. But you [00:10:11] can't [00:10:14] do you think there's anything wrong that [00:10:16] a majority of young people in California [00:10:17] speak Spanish, not English? [00:10:19] >> Is there Wait, sorry. Can you see the [00:10:20] >> Do you think there's anything wrong or [00:10:21] troubling to the fact that a majority of [00:10:22] people under the age of 30 here in the [00:10:24] state speak Spanish, not English? Um, [00:10:27] >> is there a problem with that? [00:10:28] >> Well, yeah. Everyone should be able to [00:10:30] have a ability to communicate with the [00:10:32] rest of the crowd. [00:10:33] >> So, I I guess I don't know what the big [00:10:35] issue of that. [00:10:35] >> See, I think it's a huge problem when we [00:10:37] have a nation where you can't [00:10:38] communicate with your family. [00:10:40] >> Simple solution. Teach them how to speak [00:10:41] English. What is your [00:10:42] >> Yeah. And that our schools don't do that [00:10:44] actually. And also, how about a better [00:10:45] solution? Don't import a bunch of people [00:10:47] that don't speak English. [laughter] [00:10:48] >> You mean importing people who actually [00:10:50] grow the economy. [00:10:52] Reject I reject your premise. An we [00:10:55] premise. That's a study that's been [00:10:56] done. [00:10:57] >> Do you know what a premise is? I don't [00:10:59] actually care as much about economic [00:11:00] growth cuz we're one nation under we're [00:11:03] one nation under GD. We're not one [00:11:04] nation under GDP. We're a nation under [00:11:05] God. And when we lose social cohesion [00:11:08] [cheering] [00:11:08] >> and you import a bunch of people that [00:11:10] don't share our values, that don't [00:11:12] necessarily always assimilate. That's a [00:11:14] major and serious problem. And we are a [00:11:16] we are a people first and foremost with [00:11:18] a creed. And that creed is falling [00:11:20] apart. Mass has not helped that creed. [00:11:22] Yes, they might buy more trinkets. They [00:11:24] might help depress wages. Mass migration [00:11:26] of course can help. [00:11:27] >> All good things. All great things for [00:11:29] American. [00:11:30] >> Well, they help major corporations, but [00:11:31] you know what they also do? They keep [00:11:32] down the wages of working people. If you [00:11:34] are a plumber, Yes. Of course. If you [00:11:36] think about you're a plumber, [00:11:37] electrician or a welder and you have to [00:11:39] compete against someone from Nicaragua [00:11:40] who's willing to do it for five bucks [00:11:41] less an hour. That depresses the wages [00:11:44] of the American citizen. [00:11:45] >> Right. Yeah. So, there's been studies [00:11:46] that done that also like counteract [00:11:48] that. illegal immigrants. Let's use our [00:11:51] reasonl [00:11:53] our studies. But let's use our reason [00:11:54] statistics. How about our reason? So [00:11:55] we've had mass migration for 20 years. [00:11:58] Have wages gone up? [00:12:01] >> I I don't know. [00:12:02] >> No, they haven't actually. So forget [00:12:04] your studies. For 10 years, we've had [00:12:06] for 10 years we've had 30 million people [00:12:08] come into America. [00:12:09] >> Wages have gone down dramatically. Maybe [00:12:11] there's a reason why. [00:12:14] >> Okay. Okay. So what I encourage you to [00:12:17] do just because there's a study that [00:12:19] confirms you should use your reason and [00:12:21] look actually at self-evident truths. Be [00:12:24] like, "Huh, does that make sense?" Can [00:12:26] you name [00:12:26] >> statistics are self-evident truths? [00:12:28] >> Well, not always. Statistics are very [00:12:30] misleading. Yes. You like for example, I [00:12:32] could say, "Did you know that 600 people [00:12:34] a year die because of seat belts?" Well, [00:12:36] that's a misleading statistic because [00:12:38] over 100,000 lives are saved by seat [00:12:39] belts. That's an incomplete statistic. [00:12:41] >> Wait. Okay. So where where is the So [00:12:42] that's a gray area. So, where's the gray [00:12:44] area where people are talking about [00:12:46] where 26% of illegal immigrants who come [00:12:48] here commit less crimes than native [00:12:50] born? [00:12:50] >> Okay, we have How many times have we [00:12:51] been over this? That's just not correct. [00:12:53] >> That is correct. That is correct. [00:12:54] >> Every single crime, it doesn't matter. [00:12:56] >> There's a study that was done in Texas, [00:12:58] the most diverse second most diverse [00:13:00] state. [00:13:01] >> Every crime an illegal commits is one [00:13:02] that should never have happened. It is a [00:13:04] period. They should not be here. So, I [00:13:06] don't care about the rate. The rate is [00:13:08] irrelevant. So, let me just ask one [00:13:09] final question. [00:13:10] >> Rate is relevant. someone broke into the [00:13:12] country and cut in line. What should [00:13:14] happen to them? [00:13:15] >> Well, they get they're given ideally [00:13:17] there's a system. Ideally, there's a [00:13:19] system that's merit based where these [00:13:20] people then become part of the part of [00:13:22] the the citizen like they become a legal [00:13:24] citizen. [00:13:24] >> Yeah. I mean, we have clarity but not [00:13:26] agreement. I say deport them all back to [00:13:28] their country of origin and put [00:13:29] Americans first. [00:13:30] >> That's not that's not an appropriate [00:13:31] solution when [00:13:32] >> the American people voted for it and it [00:13:34] is appropriate. [00:13:35] >> It isn't appropriate because most of the [00:13:36] people that do come here illegally [00:13:38] contribute positively to society. Not [00:13:40] again, dude. Statistically, I backs [00:13:43] this. You're not listening to anything [00:13:45] I'm saying, and that's fine. They take [00:13:46] jobs from Americans. They depress wages. [00:13:49] They steal social security numbers. They [00:13:50] commit a crime every single day that [00:13:52] they're here. They flood our public [00:13:53] schools. They flood our social services. [00:13:55] They flood our hospitals. They are a [00:13:57] burden on the taxpayer. They should go [00:13:59] back and make their own country great [00:14:01] again and apply and become a legal [00:14:03] immigrant if they want [cheering] to [00:14:04] live here. Thank you very much. [00:14:05] >> Thank you. [applause] [00:14:07] >> Next question. Yeah. [00:14:12] Basically my question is there are [00:14:14] circumstances in the US where little [00:14:17] kids come in illegally because of their [00:14:20] parents [00:14:21] but they come here and they this is this [00:14:24] is their whole life. They have no [00:14:26] history in their home country, right? [00:14:28] How do we humanely and as conservatives [00:14:31] or or Christians like deal with this in [00:14:33] a way that represents our values? [00:14:36] >> You're you're not going to like my [00:14:37] answer and that's okay. uh the whole [00:14:39] family unit should be returned back to [00:14:41] the country. [00:14:41] >> Okay, that's that's what I was tending [00:14:43] to think. But [00:14:44] >> and can I just build it out? Yes. So, a [00:14:46] a moral teaching of scripture [00:14:48] >> is that you do not favor justice for the [00:14:50] poor or for the rich. This idea of blind [00:14:53] justice [00:14:54] >> and if we agree it is wrong to do this [00:14:57] >> and we say, "Okay, what's the most [00:14:58] humane way?" It'd be one thing if we [00:14:59] say, "Hey, you separate the family," [00:15:01] which ironically people on the left [00:15:03] actually want the family separated. They [00:15:05] say, "Oh, keep the kids and bring the [00:15:07] parents back home." I think that's [00:15:09] wrong. I think you should the whole [00:15:10] family unit should return. And here's [00:15:11] why. Is that these parents when they [00:15:14] brought some of these kids across the [00:15:15] border, they knowingly put their kids in [00:15:18] harm's way. [00:15:18] >> That's true. [00:15:19] >> And it it again, it is not fair to the [00:15:22] kids of other nations that are not able [00:15:24] to legally immigrate into this country [00:15:26] just because others were carried across [00:15:28] the southern border. Do you think it [00:15:29] would then be reasonable to give maybe [00:15:31] these families an unfortunately due to [00:15:34] the their parents' decision maybe more [00:15:36] priority about getting an actual visa or [00:15:40] >> no no visas. I know I I'm I'm pretty [00:15:42] harsh on this and I'll tell you why. [00:15:44] >> If we compromise on immigration law, [00:15:47] then we do not have immigration law. [00:15:49] >> You you must we must be uncompromising [00:15:51] in the enforcement of law. Period. And [00:15:53] again, if we want to accommodate certain [00:15:55] things, then we're basically going to [00:15:57] say, "Hey, this law should not exist, [00:15:58] and anybody can come in under any [00:16:00] circumstances." But again, the the [00:16:03] parents are the ones to blame here, not [00:16:04] the US government. The parents brought [00:16:06] their kids, and I'm going to say [00:16:07] something a little bit provocative [00:16:09] almost as like mini hostages against the [00:16:11] system where they're like, "Well, you [00:16:13] can't deport me because I brought these [00:16:14] kids." [00:16:14] >> A safety mechanism. [00:16:15] >> Yeah. As a safety mechanism. And by the [00:16:17] way, just so we're clear, some of these [00:16:19] kids are brought across in sex [00:16:21] trafficking ways. some of them are [00:16:22] brought in very cruel and unusual ways. [00:16:25] >> And so again, people don't always love [00:16:26] that answer, but [00:16:27] >> yeah. Um I guess my next question to [00:16:30] that would be [00:16:33] I'm trying to think I just like because [00:16:36] they're they have no maybe they don't [00:16:38] even you know they their first language [00:16:40] is English. They may not even speak [00:16:41] their native language. Um, and you said [00:16:45] that it was it because that's the law [00:16:48] right now that we don't allow imig [00:16:50] immigration inside, but in the past [00:16:52] president maybe when they came in that [00:16:55] wasn't the case. So that's and I don't [00:16:57] agree with that that that was the way it [00:17:00] was during that time. But then shouldn't [00:17:02] we maybe allow those people to stay [00:17:05] because that was acceptable in that [00:17:08] moment? If if you're 25 years or [00:17:10] younger, it's been it's been the law for [00:17:12] about 25 years, right? So about like [00:17:14] 2000 8 USD 13 12 [00:17:16] >> I guess saying just like re in the last [00:17:18] presidency it was just so like chillax I [00:17:20] guess. [00:17:21] >> Yeah. I mean so look like let's let's [00:17:23] just talk about something that's going [00:17:24] to be a huge test because what you're [00:17:25] talking about is still a hypothetical in [00:17:27] some ways because you're talking about [00:17:28] people that might have been here for 10 [00:17:29] or 15 years. [00:17:30] >> The more important and one that's going [00:17:32] to be a huge lift is getting all 14 [00:17:34] million people that came across in the [00:17:35] last four years. They do know another [00:17:38] nation. They do know another home. We're [00:17:40] not even getting the people that are 18, [00:17:41] 20, 25. [00:17:43] >> We're talking about trying to get 14 [00:17:45] million people that were bumrushed [00:17:46] across the border in the span of four [00:17:48] years. Every single one of those people [00:17:50] should be returned back to their country [00:17:51] of origin and deported from the United [00:17:52] States. [00:17:53] >> I agree with that as well. So, [00:17:54] >> hi Charlie. Great to meet you. Thank you [00:17:56] for letting me speak in your platform. [00:17:58] Uh, first of all, I really disagree with [00:18:00] you in a lot of things. Uh, [00:18:03] >> be respectful guys. It's fine. I [00:18:05] >> part of what makes America a great [00:18:07] country. [00:18:07] >> It does. It does. Uh, America is a great [00:18:09] country, but I don't like your t-shirt [00:18:11] and I'm going to get started by saying [00:18:14] um I'm an immigrant and um well, I don't [00:18:18] understand why you would want to deport [00:18:20] all like some of my friends and family [00:18:22] who have been working hard in this [00:18:24] country and that like they're being [00:18:25] persecuted right now. So [00:18:28] >> I just I don't get the the whole process [00:18:31] of it and it feels like I'm being [00:18:33] discriminated against even though I'm [00:18:35] here uh through legal means. But just [00:18:38] can you please give me an answer for [00:18:39] that? And uh before that if like let's [00:18:42] say if I would come up here and say like [00:18:44] I'm an illegal immigrant and I'm here [00:18:46] trying to debate you, would you call [00:18:47] ICE? [00:18:48] >> Yes. [00:18:48] >> I mean Tom Hullman would probably see [00:18:49] the video and you'd probably go back to [00:18:51] your true country. [00:18:51] >> Okay. [00:18:52] >> Yeah. I mean that's that's how it works, [00:18:54] right? But let me just ask you a [00:18:55] question. What is the fair way a country [00:18:57] in your ideal? You're king. What's your [00:18:59] name? Sorry. [00:19:00] >> I'm Clauddio, sir. [00:19:00] >> Yeah, Clauddio. And this is just a [00:19:02] thought exercise, but it's very [00:19:03] revealing. You are king and you find out [00:19:05] that there are 30 million uninvited [00:19:07] people in your country. What do you do [00:19:09] with them? [00:19:09] >> Oh, in this case, I I try to find the [00:19:12] most humane way of sending him back to [00:19:14] our country. But first of all, I I want [00:19:16] to say that's what we're doing. Wait, [00:19:17] let me just let me just say something. [00:19:18] >> That's what we're doing. [00:19:19] >> Let me just say something. [00:19:20] >> King Claudio. Long live the king. [00:19:21] >> Hold on, bro. I'm not a I'm not a I'm [00:19:24] not a dictator at all, but [00:19:25] >> No, I'm of course I'm saying it's it's a [00:19:27] helpful thought exercise. [00:19:28] >> I get it. I get it. And all I'm saying [00:19:29] is you were talking about like in the [00:19:31] past couple of people that came up here [00:19:33] like America first trying to get like [00:19:35] the best for our country and like [00:19:37] increasing the productivity and getting [00:19:38] us to be like the best country possible [00:19:40] which I agree like I love this country [00:19:42] but a lot of this country is built on [00:19:44] like illegal immigrant labor and it's [00:19:47] it's definitely like a bad means but [00:19:50] it's been a good result somehow. Like [00:19:54] I'm sure you know people like you have [00:19:56] friends from like home that own [00:19:58] businesses that employ these types of [00:20:00] people that are very productive and very [00:20:02] very honest and just hardworking trying [00:20:04] to get a better life and a lot of those [00:20:06] people are very close to me. So it's [00:20:08] just a very heartbreaking situation for [00:20:10] me but I understand. [00:20:11] >> Okay. Yeah. But I mean and you gave the [00:20:12] answer if you were in charge. I guess [00:20:14] this is an important another important [00:20:16] question. What should the punishment be [00:20:18] then if you break into somebody else's [00:20:20] country uninvited and stay there without [00:20:22] welcome? [00:20:24] Well, I I really I don't know what the [00:20:26] punishment should be. I'm not a lawyer. [00:20:28] >> No, no, that's okay. I'm just asking J. [00:20:30] It's totally Yeah. [00:20:32] >> Here's our position is that it is [00:20:34] against federal law to come into [00:20:36] America, right? You're not allowed to [00:20:38] come into the country without, you know, [00:20:40] without invite. [00:20:41] >> So, that's against the law. So, if we [00:20:43] can do one of two things, and there [00:20:45] really is there's very little in the [00:20:46] middle. There's some nuance, but we can [00:20:48] say we are not going to enforce the law [00:20:51] because, you know, we're just going to [00:20:52] say that doesn't matter. Or we could [00:20:54] say, look, the law is blind and when you [00:20:56] break the law, it must apply to all [00:20:58] people. Now, I think you're a little [00:20:59] different because I don't want you to [00:21:00] loop in. So, what country did you [00:21:02] immigrate from? [00:21:03] >> Are you going to like discriminate [00:21:05] against me? [00:21:05] >> No, I'm actually not. I'm going to do [00:21:06] the opposite actually. [00:21:07] >> Yeah. [00:21:08] >> What? I'm curious. [00:21:09] >> I'm Mexican. [00:21:09] >> Okay, fine. But you came here legally, [00:21:11] correct? [00:21:11] >> I did, sir. [00:21:12] >> Okay, great. Well, if I didn't, you'd be [00:21:14] calling the police when you [00:21:15] >> No, but it's not a racial thing. If you [00:21:17] were if you were Polish and you [00:21:18] overstate a visa, [00:21:20] >> then you should be But hold on. You [00:21:22] followed the rules, [00:21:24] >> so you're exempt. [00:21:26] >> The people that you know didn't follow [00:21:27] the rules. True. [00:21:28] >> So I divide America not into Mexican and [00:21:30] white and Hispanic and white into rule [00:21:33] follower and rule breaker. Yeah. [00:21:34] >> And so when someone breaks our rules, [00:21:36] there must be justice done. There must [00:21:39] be a punishment. And the most humane way [00:21:40] is you go back to your country of [00:21:42] origin. We'll do it humanely. We'll do [00:21:44] it correctly. But if you are not invited [00:21:46] into a home, into a dorm room, into a [00:21:48] living room, the standard applies to [00:21:50] entire country. Now, to your point, you [00:21:51] might be right. There might be some [00:21:53] economic disruption. However, you know [00:21:55] what happens if you have economic [00:21:56] disruption in the labor pool? Wages are [00:21:58] going to go up and you guys are going to [00:21:59] see your wages go up. [00:22:00] >> Who is going to occupy those jobs? [00:22:02] >> So, this is a little bit insulting. I [00:22:04] don't think you mean it this way. That [00:22:05] illegal immigrants are nothing more than [00:22:06] just kind of like the These are these [00:22:09] are my people, so I should be insulting [00:22:11] them. [00:22:12] >> I I'm I'm even defending. I don't think [00:22:13] you mean it this way, but broadly when [00:22:15] we talk about immigration, there's a [00:22:16] talking like, well, who's going to pick [00:22:18] your grapefruits and like who's going to [00:22:19] serve you Chipotle? You've probably [00:22:21] heard this before, right? [00:22:22] >> I have. Yeah. [00:22:22] >> Yeah. Who's going to clean your hotel [00:22:23] room? [00:22:24] >> Embed us. Yeah. [00:22:26] >> But hold on. Embedded in that is kind of [00:22:28] a really derogatory that's like they're [00:22:30] kind of just like a permanent surf class [00:22:32] here to serve us. I think that's like [00:22:34] really creepy and weird actually. These [00:22:36] are human beings. They're more than just [00:22:37] kind of economic utility. [00:22:39] >> Yeah. No, but like in the in the history [00:22:41] of the of the US like we've heard we [00:22:43] first had like the Italian and Polish [00:22:45] immigrants and they first serve those [00:22:47] jobs and then they became like [00:22:48] economically sufficient and they [00:22:50] >> they were welcomed. [00:22:51] >> True. And they [00:22:52] >> but it was a different time in history [00:22:53] like [00:22:54] >> of course but I I suppose the the the [00:22:56] broader question is one of justice which [00:22:59] is that to what should a country do when [00:23:01] your sovereignty has been so massively [00:23:04] violated for a long period of time and a [00:23:06] country seeks to be a country becomes [00:23:08] something else. It becomes a colony or [00:23:10] it becomes just kind of a random area. [00:23:12] If a country does not have loyalty to [00:23:15] its own people and and if it has loyalty [00:23:18] to foreigners or to an oligarchy it [00:23:20] ceases to be a country. So, it's not the [00:23:22] most popular argument. Well, actually, [00:23:23] the American people voted for it, and it [00:23:25] sounds cruel, but it's very simple. It's [00:23:27] like, look, this is not against any of [00:23:29] you personally, but you have to have the [00:23:31] law be the the the first and last [00:23:35] ushering of what a government does in [00:23:37] this situation. And by the way, what I [00:23:39] was saying about you, I'm getting back [00:23:40] to you. You deserve to be applauded [00:23:42] because you guys followed the rules. And [00:23:44] it's not fair to people like you who [00:23:47] followed the rules to all of a sudden [00:23:49] have line cutters. Here, here's the [00:23:51] equivalent. You guys waited in line like [00:23:53] two two and a half hours to go get a [00:23:54] meal at a restaurant and someone shows [00:23:56] up and just cuts in line. What was the [00:23:58] first thing you would say? That's not [00:24:00] fair. And you would be right. And the [00:24:02] same with immigration, please. [00:24:03] >> Yeah. Wait, let me just like add a layer [00:24:05] to this and then I'm probably done. But [00:24:07] like let's say that the people that's [00:24:08] cutting like in front of line like [00:24:11] that's like like some of my boys like [00:24:13] that I know that they're being like [00:24:15] persecuted like back home them and their [00:24:17] families like they're like in like [00:24:19] drugrelated like wars and violence and [00:24:22] the only way out like the only way [00:24:23] they're not going to die or like suffer [00:24:25] a very bad fate is if they escape and [00:24:27] they break the American law. But that's [00:24:29] the only way they're going to survive. [00:24:30] So like [00:24:31] >> hold on hold on two thoughts on this. [00:24:33] Number one, if that is correct, we have [00:24:36] a special asylum status that they could [00:24:39] seek legally at a port of entry that [00:24:41] they could go through a whole process. [00:24:42] >> But if they're being persecuted, don't [00:24:44] they not deserve? But would it be [00:24:46] justified to cut the line? [00:24:47] >> No. Sec. Secondly, well, it might be [00:24:50] justified in their mind, but it's not [00:24:51] justified in the rule administer's mind [00:24:53] to make exception for it. [00:24:54] >> But let me just let me make a more [00:24:56] important point, though. If we all of a [00:24:58] sudden say that if you have a lot of [00:24:59] gang violence and issues, I mean like we [00:25:02] we have a lot of gang violence and [00:25:03] issues. Like what are we talking about [00:25:04] here? True. Like we we're a more [00:25:05] dangerous country than half of the [00:25:07] Central American countries. We're far [00:25:08] more dangerous than El Salvador. And we [00:25:10] could we could make an example if that [00:25:12] is the criteria. Like all of South [00:25:14] America should be allowed into America. [00:25:15] Basically, I mean the idea is that at [00:25:17] some point you have almost no standard [00:25:19] whatsoever. And instead, here's my [00:25:22] perspective. We should empower those [00:25:24] people to go fix their own country. We [00:25:25] should empower them to go make El [00:25:27] Salvador great again, which is a great [00:25:29] country now. Okay. Nicaragua, Honduras. [00:25:30] Yes, please. Final thought. [00:25:31] >> So, wouldn't like a good way to start is [00:25:34] like trying to lower the the demand for [00:25:36] drugs in in America because a lot of the [00:25:38] drugs that are like being produced and [00:25:41] being fought over in South America are [00:25:43] going to be supplied to the US for [00:25:44] American consumers. [00:25:46] >> Yeah. So, how would you recommend [00:25:48] lowering demand? [00:25:48] >> I have no idea. Like, what would you do [00:25:50] or how like [00:25:51] >> I I don't know. I mean, demand and [00:25:52] supply are two different issues, right? [00:25:53] I mean the first part of demand is that [00:25:56] way too many people get into and I [00:25:57] talked to my earlier point they get into [00:25:59] a thought pattern that substances are [00:26:01] going to bring me flourishing which we I [00:26:03] think is wrong. But yes, I think the [00:26:07] look the drug cartels are richer than [00:26:09] ever before and we have more drugs [00:26:11] legalized than any time in the last 40 [00:26:12] years. So something doesn't fit. So [00:26:14] obviously drug legalization is not [00:26:15] impoverishing them. The biggest way [00:26:18] though that we stop these third world [00:26:20] countries from being, you know, tinpot [00:26:23] despotic dictatorships is we have to [00:26:25] stop subsidizing their oligarchy through [00:26:27] foreign aid. And then yes, you're right. [00:26:29] The Chinese Communist Party is pumping [00:26:31] tons of money into these countries. But [00:26:33] finally, and I know this sounds a little [00:26:34] bit cruel, is that I care far more about [00:26:37] the suffering of Americans than the [00:26:38] suffering of other people's countries [00:26:40] first. [00:26:40] >> I would, too. Yeah. [00:26:41] >> And you have to you have to look after [00:26:43] your own people. You have to draw the [00:26:44] line. And it's it's the old adage, [00:26:46] right, guys? If your plane is going [00:26:48] down, what do they tell you to do first? [00:26:50] You put your mask on first and then the [00:26:52] mask on the person that might not be [00:26:54] able to put a mask on an infant or [00:26:55] someone that might be infirmed. It's the [00:26:57] same way as a country. We need to put [00:26:58] our own oxygen mask on first and then we [00:27:00] can worry about helping other people. [00:27:01] Thank you so much. I appreciate it. [00:27:02] Thank you. [00:27:03] >> Can I get a hat? [applause] [00:27:06] >> I think that the anti-immigration [00:27:07] rhetoric you have is not new. Well, I [00:27:09] think that you try to paint a picture of [00:27:11] it being this current phenomenon that [00:27:13] we're facing, but there's been rhetoric [00:27:14] from uh you know, your side from for a [00:27:17] long time throughout the entirety of [00:27:19] history. I mean, if we look at the [00:27:20] immigration policies in the US, even [00:27:23] though Chinese immigrants built the [00:27:24] entire Western Railroad, there was still [00:27:26] the Chinese Exclusion Act because they [00:27:29] were providing insane value to the [00:27:31] United States, but we still had these [00:27:33] exclusion acts because of xenophobic [00:27:35] attitudes. And so, this is not a this is [00:27:38] not a novel idea that, you know, [00:27:40] immigrants are bad for the country. So, [00:27:42] I'm I'm interested in why you think that [00:27:45] all of a sudden we need to change the [00:27:47] way the United States works. [00:27:49] >> Well, first of all, immigration has gone [00:27:51] in great influxes. We basically turned [00:27:53] off all immigration in the 1940s and [00:27:55] 50s. We had like net zero immigration [00:27:57] for almost 15 years. Most people don't [00:27:59] even know that. So, we had Ellis Island [00:28:01] in the early 1900s and then we turned on [00:28:03] the guzzle of immigration. But let's be [00:28:05] honest, for 40 years, we have tried this [00:28:08] mass immigration project for the last 40 [00:28:11] years. Has it worked? Are we are we a [00:28:13] more connected country? Have middle [00:28:15] class wages kept up? Are look at the [00:28:18] material data. Has immigration enriched [00:28:20] the well-being of the United States of [00:28:22] America, especially the last five or six [00:28:24] years? I would say of course not [00:28:26] actually. We're more divided. We're more [00:28:28] fascious. And we see this in almost [00:28:30] every European country as well. When you [00:28:32] import a bunch of people that don't [00:28:34] speak your language, that are from the [00:28:35] third world, all of a sudden you have [00:28:37] mass destabilization happening in your [00:28:39] country, it's not a matter of being [00:28:40] xenophobic. Instead, it's a matter of [00:28:42] being patriotic to your own country and [00:28:44] your own citizens. It's not about hating [00:28:46] the foreigner. It's about loving the [00:28:47] citizen. And your obligation is always [00:28:49] to citizens first, not foreigners. [00:28:52] [applause] [00:28:54] >> Okay. [00:28:56] So, you don't think that the MAGA [00:28:57] movement has led to xenophobic attitudes [00:29:00] at all? I don't even know how to answer [00:29:02] that. I mean, like, [00:29:03] >> why not? [00:29:04] >> Well, because you have to first define [00:29:06] what you mean by xenophobic attitudes. [00:29:08] >> Uh, I mean, just like you said, you you [00:29:10] said I mean, we're living in a a divided [00:29:13] world. You don't think that comes from [00:29:15] people being anti-immigration? Not [00:29:16] >> No, I think it's the opposite. I think [00:29:18] when you allow a bunch of people that [00:29:19] aren't nativeorn Americans too quickly [00:29:21] with no checks, no background, no idea [00:29:23] who they are, and flood them into your [00:29:25] towns. Definitionally, diversity is not [00:29:28] a strength when it comes to local [00:29:30] community ties. [00:29:30] >> If you don't use it, if you don't use [00:29:32] it, I don't know that you're committed [00:29:33] to finding its strength. [00:29:35] >> Hold on. No, explain this to me. This is [00:29:36] a good question. [00:29:37] >> Yeah. [00:29:37] >> What country has ever grown stronger the [00:29:40] more divided it's been? [00:29:42] >> None. But I'm not saying that to get [00:29:44] more divided. [00:29:45] >> No, no, but but diversity definitionally [00:29:48] will divide you. Unity uni unifies you. [00:29:50] You notice they never say unity is our [00:29:51] strength. They say diversity is our [00:29:52] strength. In fact, just so we are clear, [00:29:55] there is nothing racist or xenophobic to [00:29:58] say that you want your kids to be around [00:30:01] people that speak English. There's [00:30:02] nothing racist to say that. It actually [00:30:04] means that you want to be able to [00:30:05] communicate with your neighbor. There's [00:30:07] nothing racist and xenophobic to say, [00:30:10] for example, we don't want to import [00:30:11] people from a far-off distant land that [00:30:14] don't share Western values, that don't [00:30:16] treat women the same, that don't have [00:30:18] the same respect for freedom of speech. [00:30:19] So what we see is the unraveling of the [00:30:21] United States of America because a [00:30:24] country is is is again just like [00:30:27] undoubtedly [00:30:28] a it is the people that inhabit it. So [00:30:31] you have to be very careful what people [00:30:32] you allow into your country. [00:30:33] >> Sure. And I but I think that what you're [00:30:35] talking about this like mass shift in [00:30:37] American culture is like not happening. [00:30:39] I think you're fear-mongering. And also [00:30:41] I I think that the United States forever [00:30:43] has been a mix of culture. I don't [00:30:46] really know like where you can point to [00:30:48] a time in the US history that hasn't [00:30:51] included immigrants in its culture. [00:30:53] >> Again, from the 20s to the 1920s and [00:30:55] 1960s, we had very little immigration in [00:30:58] this country. Nearly 40 years. In fact, [00:31:00] that is what largely led to us becoming [00:31:02] a world superpower in the 1950s is we [00:31:04] felt [00:31:05] >> we had the we had the brasero program [00:31:06] back then where we brought in tons of [00:31:08] laborers from the United from Mexico to [00:31:10] the United States to work in [00:31:12] agricultural and that's how we fed the [00:31:14] United States. So I was such it was very [00:31:19] limited in scope versus what we see [00:31:21] today. But again I will ask a more moral [00:31:24] question. Does a politician have first [00:31:26] loyalty to its own citizens or to [00:31:28] another country's citizens? [00:31:29] >> Absolutely. I'm I'm glad you brought [00:31:30] this because I wanted to circle back to [00:31:32] my original question about the United [00:31:34] States creating instability in the rest [00:31:36] of the world. I do think that every [00:31:37] single politician like let's say I'm the [00:31:39] prime minister of South Africa. You [00:31:41] know, my my [00:31:43] >> which is an incredibly anti-white [00:31:44] country. Like oh my goodness. [00:31:45] >> Okay. Anyway, [00:31:46] >> dangerously anti-white. [00:31:48] >> Okay. Anyway, [00:31:49] >> do you know about that by the way? You [00:31:50] should. [00:31:50] >> Aparttheid. Yes. [00:31:52] >> Oh no, no, no, no. It's like they're [00:31:54] killing white people in the streets in [00:31:55] South Africa, [00:31:56] >> stealing farmland. [00:31:57] >> They're stealing farmland. And do you if [00:31:58] you don't know about that, that shows [00:32:00] how the media is lying to all of you. It [00:32:02] is literally a mini white genocide [00:32:03] happening in South Africa right now. [00:32:05] >> But I I don't think that we should [00:32:07] >> No, it's fine. You brought up South [00:32:08] Africa, not me. But yes, [00:32:09] >> that was just an example. Anyway, let's [00:32:11] stay on topic. Um, so let's say I'm the [00:32:14] prime minister for a country. I do agree [00:32:15] with you that my first job is that [00:32:17] country for sure. That's who I'm [00:32:19] leading. But considering the United [00:32:21] States has created mass violence, [00:32:22] instability, and poverty around the [00:32:24] world, you don't think that we have some [00:32:26] sort of obligation to the people who [00:32:28] then have to flee from that? [00:32:30] >> No. [00:32:31] >> Why not? [00:32:32] >> Wait, hold on. I I Well, why not? Define [00:32:36] your terms. Where where where have we [00:32:38] created mass stability? I I'll grant you [00:32:40] Iraq. That was a disaster. Where else? [00:32:43] >> In all of Latin America, in different [00:32:45] countries in in Africa, places that like [00:32:48] the that we colonized Puerto Rico. [00:32:51] >> Yeah. I mean, of course, I I'm always so [00:32:52] interested in this as if it's like you [00:32:54] can never blame those countries for not [00:32:56] having their act together, is somehow [00:32:58] America's fault. Like, oh, it's [00:33:00] America's fault that Nicaragua can't get [00:33:03] its act together. It's America's fault. [00:33:05] Even though we welcome Puerto Rico to [00:33:07] become US citizens, like, we've [00:33:09] colonized them. So, here's the paradox. [00:33:11] >> You don't think that Puerto Rico was [00:33:12] colonized? [00:33:13] >> No, no, no, no. I'm saying though, so if [00:33:15] we don't help Puerto Rico, we're evil. [00:33:17] When they become a territory, we [00:33:19] colonize them and we haven't done [00:33:20] enough. It's like, which one is it [00:33:22] exactly? [00:33:23] >> So the Puerto Rico was taken from the [00:33:25] Spanish as a colony and used as a sugar [00:33:27] farm for years where the workers were [00:33:29] paid less than a dollar per day to [00:33:32] create sugar for the United States. And [00:33:34] it's not really about statehood or [00:33:36] independence. It's about letting Puerto [00:33:37] Rico decide that for themselves. And [00:33:40] anyway, this isn't about Puerto Rico. [00:33:41] >> No, it's fine. But as and more broadly [00:33:43] and I'll get to the final qu couple [00:33:45] final questions here. I can sense that [00:33:47] your problem is that like America's [00:33:49] super successful and these other [00:33:50] countries aren't. And foundationally [00:33:53] it's rooted in envy, bitterness, and [00:33:55] resentment because we are the world's [00:33:57] superpower. It's not because we've held [00:33:59] anybody back. It's because we've had [00:34:01] incredible people, really good ideas. [00:34:04] >> You think the US has intervened in a [00:34:05] negative way in other countries? [00:34:07] >> At times, yes, at times we've intervened [00:34:09] very favorably. We can you at least [00:34:12] acknowledge at times that [00:34:13] >> sure there has been aid but there's also [00:34:14] been terrorist [00:34:15] >> well no not just aid South Korea exists [00:34:17] because of American involvement Kuwait [00:34:19] exists because of American involvement [00:34:21] >> but it's not it's not so [00:34:23] >> but but but to to to look at American [00:34:26] accountability you have to look at the [00:34:27] whole of that accountability and and to [00:34:30] say that certain countries are less [00:34:32] developed purely on their own fault is [00:34:34] to ignore history [00:34:35] >> I so that that's where we disagree [00:34:38] >> countries have to take responsibility [00:34:40] for their own future. Which again, this [00:34:41] is one of the reasons why so many people [00:34:42] hate Israel. Every other country around [00:34:44] there is like a third world country and [00:34:46] Israel is super successful and super [00:34:48] agenic and they're able to be like one [00:34:50] of the wealthiest countries on the [00:34:52] planet. You got to wonder what is it [00:34:53] that they're doing? Oh, it's the Jews [00:34:55] because they're stealing all this money. [00:34:56] No, actually they like work super hard [00:34:58] and they don't believe in Islam and they [00:35:03] >> and like wow. And the one place that [00:35:05] >> Have you ever been to those countries? [00:35:07] Yeah, actually I have been to Israel and [00:35:08] I've been to the Palestinian Authority. [00:35:10] I've been to that. I've been to the West [00:35:11] Bank. I've actually visited it. Even if [00:35:13] I had, that doesn't mean what I'm saying [00:35:14] is wrong. Just for the record. By the [00:35:15] way, I encourage you to try to go to [00:35:17] Lebanon or Syria. Not exactly the Four [00:35:19] Seasons, right? So, [00:35:21] >> and you think that US intervention has [00:35:23] anything to do with that? [00:35:25] >> Partially, but again, to blame the evil [00:35:27] US intervention uh for every single [00:35:30] problem is at its core intellectually [00:35:33] sloppy. [00:35:34] >> I don't think so. because the United [00:35:35] States has two times the military of the [00:35:37] rest of the world. It has been in our [00:35:39] DNA to intervene in a military way in [00:35:42] other countries. So to say I mean you I [00:35:45] know you believe it. [00:35:46] >> So I I I want to try to square this all [00:35:47] the other. I got to get another question [00:35:48] just to make sure I'm clear. So you're [00:35:50] mad at America for getting involved in [00:35:52] other people's countries, right? So [00:35:54] America's bad for that. But then you [00:35:56] want everyone to come to America. I [00:35:58] thought America's bad. [00:35:59] >> I'm saying that the United States needs [00:36:01] to be held accountable. You can't meddle [00:36:02] in. who were held accountable by [00:36:04] inviting the entire world here. [00:36:05] >> If if you are going to mess up that [00:36:07] country, you have to do something about [00:36:08] it. [00:36:08] >> Oh, do something. Invite them here. [00:36:10] >> Maybe if you're the reason that they [00:36:12] have to leave. No. [00:36:13] >> All right. Then that that that at its [00:36:15] core, I'm glad you articulated it is [00:36:16] neoconservatism, which is invade the [00:36:19] world, invite the world, which is that [00:36:21] you don't support the invasion part of [00:36:22] it, but somehow we have to invite the [00:36:24] world is some sort of like mass penance. [00:36:26] >> So, but that's like you invade and then [00:36:28] say, "Oh, [00:36:28] >> no. I don't I don't support the [00:36:29] invasions. I'm just I think you are [00:36:31] overly ascribing fault to the United [00:36:33] States of America when in reality it's [00:36:36] it's these own broken countries that [00:36:37] cannot get their own act together. A [00:36:39] great example is this and I'll close [00:36:40] with this. El Salvador is become is [00:36:43] actually safer than America. It has [00:36:45] billions of dollars flowing into El [00:36:46] Salvador. Why? because they elected [00:36:48] Boullle who decided to go after MS-13 [00:36:51] and clean up the streets of El Salvador [00:36:53] which again it wasn't it was because [00:36:56] they decided to do good things with [00:36:59] massive action countries can be wealthy [00:37:02] Singapore is wealthy you could be a very [00:37:04] wealthy country if you embrace western [00:37:06] market ideas private property with low [00:37:08] crime and it's not always [00:37:09] >> I mean in the case of El Salvador the [00:37:11] United States was the reason that the [00:37:13] country broke down into gang warfare and [00:37:15] now if you look at the way they were [00:37:17] able to turn around. They had to declare [00:37:18] a state of emergency just to be able to [00:37:20] turn things around. [00:37:21] >> It's just like this is where we're [00:37:23] different and then I'll next then we [00:37:25] have to get get going. [00:37:26] >> I look at America as a force for good. [00:37:29] You look at everything wrong and you say [00:37:30] it must be America. [00:37:31] >> No, sir. I'm I'm looking at bad things [00:37:33] that they have done and calling for [00:37:35] accountability. [00:37:37] >> Okay. Look, I I again I [00:37:38] >> I mean maybe we disagree. I don't know. [00:37:40] I I guess I think we're a wonderful [00:37:42] country and I think if a country is [00:37:44] poor, they're poor by choice and they [00:37:46] have to be able to get their act [00:37:47] together, make better decisions, and [00:37:48] stop acting like victims all the time. [00:37:50] Thank you very much.