The Day Before the Storm - Charlie Kirk and Andrew Kolvet on September 9 and 10 - #69

[00:00:00] I was just as surprised as you guys all [00:00:02] were that uh Kansas was not not live [00:00:04] tonight. Um I don't know if the one [00:00:06] minute countdown, the two-minute [00:00:07] countdown matters or not, but it's one [00:00:09] less button I have to push. So, um I'm [00:00:12] sticking with it for now. We'll see how [00:00:13] it works out. Uh welcome in. Welcome in. [00:00:15] We got a lot to talk about tonight. A [00:00:17] whole lot to talk about tonight. Um, [00:00:20] one of the things I want to talk about, [00:00:21] I want to play at some point. I'm not [00:00:22] going to do it right this second, but I [00:00:23] want to play the um, I guess it's a [00:00:26] two-ish minute uh, clip that Candace put [00:00:29] up of the new series she's working on [00:00:31] because at first I thought, well, you [00:00:33] know, I would have rather like to see [00:00:34] her show tonight. And then I saw And [00:00:37] then I saw the [00:00:39] promo AND I THOUGHT, WELL, maybe I can [00:00:41] give her a couple more days to finish [00:00:42] that off. It looked good. Had brighter [00:00:45] Chucky feels to it. It was great. Uh, so [00:00:47] we're going to talk about that. We got a [00:00:48] lot to talk about. I did not know Erica [00:00:50] Kirk was sick. This is news to me. We [00:00:52] found this out today. Uh, we'll talk [00:00:54] about that, what that means, what she [00:00:56] might have, um, and how we figured that [00:01:00] out. So, we're going to talk about that [00:01:01] as well. Uh, got a good opening lined up [00:01:03] for you about going back to the basics. [00:01:05] Um, a very critical component of any [00:01:09] investigation is going back to the [00:01:10] basics, the blocking and tackling [00:01:13] that we've been doing. [00:01:17] here on this program. Sorry, I had to [00:01:20] fix something that was driving me nuts [00:01:21] off the right side of my vision there. [00:01:23] Uh, so we'll do that. Uh, what else do [00:01:25] we have? Oh, we've got I can tell you [00:01:27] what else we have. Got a little more [00:01:30] clarity on the final 48 hours of Charlie [00:01:34] Kirk's time on this earth. The final 48 [00:01:37] hours [00:01:38] is a critical component. I told you we [00:01:40] had very little information about what [00:01:42] was going on, who was where September [00:01:44] 7th, 8th, and 9th leading up to [00:01:45] September 10th when the uh when Charlie [00:01:47] Kirk passed away. Got a little more [00:01:49] clarity today or actually last night. [00:01:51] Got a little more clarity uh pointed in [00:01:54] the direction of where some additional [00:01:55] clarity existed. So, we've got that as [00:01:57] well. A great show lined up for you [00:01:59] today. Uh because the open [00:02:03] deals with uh a sensitive subject, I'm [00:02:06] trying to stall for about 53 more [00:02:08] seconds to get the YouTube algorithm out [00:02:11] of the way. [00:02:13] Um [00:02:15] actually, let me do this. Let me let me [00:02:16] play the uh Candace Owens bit that she [00:02:20] is. This will this will buy us the two [00:02:21] minutes we need to to talk sensitive [00:02:23] subject matter without our YouTube [00:02:24] overlords looking in on us going, "What [00:02:26] are they talking about? What are they [00:02:27] talking about?" I want to play this. um [00:02:29] this piece that she put up today because [00:02:32] it was stellar and gives us an idea of [00:02:35] where she's headed [00:02:38] as she is taking her break for the last [00:02:40] week. Uh pay attention here. This is a [00:02:43] brief pro promo she put up on X today. [00:02:45] President Trump says that Kirk has died [00:02:47] after he was shot from a nearby building [00:02:49] >> after being shot at Utah Valley [00:02:51] University. [00:02:51] >> The great and even legendary Charlie [00:02:53] Kirk is dead. [00:02:57] The cries of this widow will echo around [00:03:00] the world like a battle cry. I didn't [00:03:03] even get to give him a kiss of [00:03:06] that young man. I forgive him. [00:03:12] >> Take your time. [00:03:16] >> Erica Kirk has been named the new CEO of [00:03:18] Turning Point USA. [00:03:20] >> My husband's dead. Like, I'm not trying [00:03:21] to be morbid, but he's dead. It's weird [00:03:23] to say excited. describes her husband's [00:03:26] funeral as the event of the century [00:03:29] merch hats. [00:03:31] >> We have 50,000 plus hat orders. [00:03:34] >> Nobody knows why she's out there in a [00:03:36] glittering pants suit in a recreated [00:03:38] tent that her her husband tragically was [00:03:41] murdered in throwing merch out. [00:03:43] >> Everyone grieavves differently, so if [00:03:45] someone's acting weird, don't read into [00:03:47] that. Zionists, the prime minister of [00:03:50] Israel, all lied through their teeth [00:03:53] about Charlie Kirk. [00:03:54] >> Her operation was in Constant, the [00:03:58] epicenter of Romania's trafficking [00:04:00] scandal. [00:04:01] >> We were conversations to have with a [00:04:04] 15-year-old. I'm going to touch your [00:04:06] butt. [00:04:06] >> $8.6 million to their own shell company. [00:04:10] What is going on? [00:04:11] >> We have nothing to hide. [00:04:14] My aunt used to tell me, "Never do [00:04:15] something that you don't want on the [00:04:16] front page of a newspaper." [00:04:21] >> That's got brighter Chucky feels, [00:04:23] doesn't it? [00:04:25] I saw that and thought, "Whoa, that has [00:04:27] real bride of Chucky feels." Um, and it [00:04:30] matches her her eyes that that she [00:04:32] sometimes gets when she mentions our [00:04:34] Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. So, uh, I [00:04:36] look forward to that. I think we have to [00:04:37] wait until Wednesday. Um, so on a [00:04:39] programming note, I probably will do a [00:04:41] show tomorrow. I usually take Tuesday [00:04:43] off. Uh but if she's going to be off [00:04:45] again until tomorrow, I'll probably do a [00:04:47] show tomorrow and then maybe take [00:04:48] Wednesday off so that we can all kind of [00:04:50] digest the first episode of The Bride of [00:04:54] Charlie. [00:04:56] The Bride of Charlie. All right, with [00:04:58] that out of the way, ladies and [00:05:00] gentlemen, with that out of the way, I [00:05:01] do want to get into the opening [00:05:02] statement and a lot of what we've [00:05:03] uncovered and uh have to bring for you [00:05:06] today. So, if you will Someone said I'm [00:05:09] wiping I'm wiping my fake tears. [00:05:12] So, if you'll give me just a moment, let [00:05:14] me get the open pulled up and we'll get [00:05:16] underway in a matter of mere [00:05:19] seconds. All right, ladies and [00:05:21] gentlemen, here we go. This is [00:05:24] your opening statement. [00:05:27] Carol Bonnet. Carol Bonnet was a [00:05:30] 61-year-old man living a pretty quiet [00:05:33] life in Omaha, Nebraska. This was way [00:05:35] back in the late 1970s. [00:05:38] Carol Bonnet was born around 1917. [00:05:41] He worked as an employee at a local [00:05:43] hospital, though it's unclear exactly [00:05:45] what he did there. He lived alone in a [00:05:47] modest apartment, but he was known for [00:05:50] being fairly social. He frequently [00:05:53] visited local bars, for example, where [00:05:54] he enjoyed buying drinks for the younger [00:05:57] men he met, often inviting them back to [00:05:59] his home for conversation or even [00:06:00] temporary stays. He was generous. He [00:06:03] allowed guests and visitors to use his [00:06:05] car on occasion, which reflected a [00:06:08] hospitable, if perhaps lonely, [00:06:10] personality. His lifestyle suggested he [00:06:13] sought companionship in Omaha's social [00:06:16] scene. But very little else is [00:06:18] documented about his early years, [00:06:21] particularly his family, personal [00:06:22] achievements, [00:06:24] or anything else. He seemed to have led [00:06:26] a fairly unassuming existence. [00:06:29] On or about October 15, 1978, [00:06:33] Carol Bonnet was murdered. It was [00:06:35] brutal. It was a baffling crime that [00:06:38] shocked the Omaha community and stumped [00:06:41] investigators for decades. Bonnet had [00:06:44] failed to report for work for two days, [00:06:46] which prompted a concerned friend to [00:06:47] contact his landlord. The landlord [00:06:50] peered through the mail slot and saw [00:06:53] Carol Bonnet lying on the floor. [00:06:56] called an ambulance and the Omaha Fire [00:06:58] Department broke into his apartment. [00:07:00] Inside, they discovered Bonnet naked and [00:07:04] face down in the living room. He had a [00:07:06] single fatal stab wound to his abdomen. [00:07:10] An autopsy conducted on October 18 [00:07:13] confirmed he had been dead for [00:07:14] approximately 48 hours and he had [00:07:17] succumbed to a massive internal bleed [00:07:19] caused by being stabbed. [00:07:22] The scene was eerie. His apartment, [00:07:24] which typically was pretty neat and [00:07:26] orderly, had scattered newspapers on the [00:07:29] coffee table all over the floor, a [00:07:32] severed telephone cord that would have [00:07:34] prevented any calls for help, and a [00:07:37] taunting note left by the presumed [00:07:39] killer claiming one piece of evidence [00:07:41] remained. [00:07:43] The letter ended with a derogatory [00:07:45] remark directed at the cops. Bonnet's [00:07:49] wallet and cash were missing, which [00:07:50] initially suggested it could have been a [00:07:52] robbery. His car had also been stolen. [00:07:55] The initial investigation by the Omaha [00:07:57] Police Department was thorough, but [00:07:59] ultimately fruitless. [00:08:01] Crime scene technicians collected [00:08:03] extensive evidence, including lifting [00:08:06] fingerprints and palm prints from the [00:08:07] bathroom door, the medicine cabinet, [00:08:09] some beer cans, a coffee table, and the [00:08:12] telephone, as well as areas where the [00:08:14] killer likely would have washed off [00:08:16] blood. Three towels near the body [00:08:19] contained fecal matter and hairs. [00:08:22] Cigarette butts were found in the [00:08:23] apartment and later in the abandoned [00:08:25] car. His car was recovered on October [00:08:28] 19th in Cicero, Illinois with a stolen [00:08:31] license plate reported missing on [00:08:33] October 16th. The police were able to [00:08:36] lift additional fingerprints inside the [00:08:38] car. There was a classified [00:08:40] advertisement flyer in the apartment [00:08:43] that had the name Jerry W scribbled on [00:08:46] it, but this clue wasn't pursued very [00:08:47] deeply at the time. [00:08:49] What made the case particularly [00:08:51] difficult to solve was a combination of [00:08:53] circumstantial leads and investigative [00:08:54] constraints. Police interviewed [00:08:56] witnesses about Bonnet's habits and [00:08:59] identified several men initially who had [00:09:02] stayed with him or used his car. These [00:09:04] included two former guests the police [00:09:07] first considered suspects. However, [00:09:09] their alibis and a general lack of any [00:09:13] evidence [00:09:14] cleared them as suspects. The [00:09:17] fingerprints and other prints were [00:09:18] compared against local, state, and [00:09:20] outofstate databases, but there were no [00:09:22] matches identified. At the time, there [00:09:25] were no national systems like the FBI's [00:09:28] integrated automated fingerprint [00:09:30] identification system, the AFIS. [00:09:34] DNA analysis was unavailable at the [00:09:36] time. It was still in its infancy and [00:09:37] generally not available for use until [00:09:40] the late 1980s at the earliest. [00:09:42] The crime's apparent motive lacked [00:09:44] eyewitnesses and the taunting note [00:09:46] provided no fingerprints or leads with [00:09:49] no songs with no strong suspects and [00:09:52] evidence that couldn't be fully [00:09:53] exploited. The case went cold by the [00:09:55] early 1980s. [00:09:57] It sat and languished in police files [00:09:59] alongside other tragic and unsolved [00:10:02] homicides. [00:10:04] As time passed, potential witnesses [00:10:06] aged, moved, or even died, which further [00:10:09] complicated any future revival of the [00:10:11] case. The 30-year gap eroded memories [00:10:15] and physical evidence integrity. For [00:10:17] example, the taunting note went missing. [00:10:20] There were some items like sheets and a [00:10:23] deaf leopard t-shirt that were found [00:10:24] intermingled in storage, which raised [00:10:26] chain of custody questions. [00:10:29] The cold case was eventually reopened in [00:10:31] late 2008. It was sparked by an external [00:10:34] inquiry that prompted the Omaha Police [00:10:36] Department to revisit the file. Senior [00:10:39] crime laboratory technician Laura Casey [00:10:42] decided to run the original Leighton [00:10:44] prints through the new AFIS [00:10:47] database. This database had been [00:10:49] launched for national use in 1999 and [00:10:52] allowed rapid comparisons unavailable [00:10:54] back in 1978. [00:10:56] Within 5 hours, the system refed a few [00:11:00] possible candidates. [00:11:02] The technician manually confirmed the [00:11:04] match to a man named Jerry Watson, who [00:11:07] at 54 years old was incarcerated at the [00:11:10] time in an Illinois prison on unrelated [00:11:12] burglary and drug charges. This [00:11:15] breakthrough led to the case's formal [00:11:17] assignment in March 2009 to the cold [00:11:19] case homicide unit. The reopening was [00:11:21] driven by advances in technology and a [00:11:24] commitment to unresolved victims. [00:11:26] Omaha's cold case squad systematically [00:11:29] reviewed the old files. Watson's [00:11:32] impending release from prison added a [00:11:34] new sense of urgency. A detective with [00:11:36] the cold case unit traveled to Illinois [00:11:38] on December 2nd, 2009 and obtained fresh [00:11:41] fingerprints, fresh palm prints, and a [00:11:44] good DNA sample just days before Watson [00:11:47] was set to be released from custody. [00:11:51] The resolution in the case came not [00:11:53] solely from high-tech tools, but from a [00:11:55] methodical return to investigative [00:11:57] basics, [00:11:59] re-examining the original crime scene [00:12:01] details, looking a fresh at evidence [00:12:04] logs, and noting the sequence of events [00:12:06] on the day of the murder, the unit [00:12:08] poured over the original 1978 report and [00:12:11] noted overlooked connections like the [00:12:13] Jerry W on the classified ad file flyer, [00:12:17] which aligned with Jerry Watson's [00:12:20] Detectives discovered Watson had grown [00:12:22] up in Cicero, Illinois. That's where [00:12:24] Bonnet's car was abandoned. He'd visited [00:12:27] a relative in Omaha in the fall of 1978, [00:12:29] which placed him in the area. Watson had [00:12:32] lived under aliases in Missouri and [00:12:34] Florida post murder that suggested [00:12:36] flight. Crucially, detectives [00:12:39] collaborated with the University of [00:12:41] Nebraska Medical Center to test [00:12:43] previously unanalyzable items for DNA. [00:12:46] We're talking about the hairs on the [00:12:48] towel that matched Watson with [00:12:50] astronomical odds. DNA from the [00:12:53] cigarette butts in the apartment and car [00:12:55] and a beer can in the kitchen waste [00:12:57] basket also matched Watson. Fingerprints [00:13:00] on the bathroom door and the medicine [00:13:01] cabinet were definitively Jerry [00:13:04] Watson's. [00:13:05] This foundational approach of stripping [00:13:07] away all assumptions and meticulously [00:13:11] reconstructing the timeline from [00:13:13] Bonnet's last known activities until his [00:13:15] body was discovered is what definitively [00:13:19] and irrefutably tied Watson to the scene [00:13:21] at the time of the murder. Murder [00:13:24] charges were filed on November 15, 2010, [00:13:26] which led to a 2011 trial where, despite [00:13:30] defense arguments about the decadesl [00:13:31] long delay causing witness [00:13:33] unavailability, [00:13:35] a jury convicted Watson of first-degree [00:13:37] murder and use of a deadly weapon. [00:13:39] Watson was sentenced to life plus 10 to [00:13:42] 20 years in 2011, almost 33 years to the [00:13:45] day after Carol Bonnet's body was [00:13:48] discovered. [00:13:51] The Carol Bonnet case has become a [00:13:53] foundational study in cold case [00:13:55] investigations. Bonnet's case [00:13:57] illustrates how persistence, evidence [00:14:00] preservation, and a blend of modern [00:14:01] technology with good old-fashioned [00:14:03] traditional detective work can crack [00:14:06] long, dormant cases. In 2012, detectives [00:14:10] and technicians working on the case [00:14:11] received the FBI's latent hit of the [00:14:14] year award, which recognizes IAFS's [00:14:18] role in identifying Watson and [00:14:20] highlighted the value of national [00:14:22] databases. Bonnet's case further [00:14:25] underscores foundational lessons in [00:14:27] forensic science, such as the importance [00:14:28] of meticulously securing crime scenes, [00:14:31] as the prints and DNA collected in 1978 [00:14:34] proved pivotal to the case, even decades [00:14:36] later. [00:14:38] The case also highlighted the ethical [00:14:40] duty to revisit cases without time [00:14:42] limits by going back to the basics. [00:14:44] Discard all assumptions. Bonnet's case [00:14:48] has become famous in investigative [00:14:49] circles and is widely taught in [00:14:51] criminology and forensics classes at [00:14:53] universities and trainingmies as the [00:14:55] classic case of a cold case methodology. [00:15:00] Ultimately, Bonnet's case inspires law [00:15:03] enforcement training, emphasizing that [00:15:04] going back to the basics can deliver [00:15:06] justice even after generations, [00:15:09] ensuring murder victims like Bonnet are [00:15:12] not forgotten. And that is your opening [00:15:16] statement. Um, I like that case. I like [00:15:19] that that story because [00:15:22] we sometimes get caught up in the [00:15:23] details that we think we know and we [00:15:25] forget about going back to the original [00:15:27] basics of what was happening. We forget [00:15:28] about going back to the original [00:15:29] timeline. We forget about going back to [00:15:31] the scene of the crime and looking at [00:15:33] everything a fresh. We forget about what [00:15:35] was happening in the day leading up to [00:15:36] it. Who was he around? Who was he [00:15:38] talking to? What was he doing? That's [00:15:41] easy to get lost in when you're talking [00:15:43] about a case with particularly [00:15:45] sensational details. [00:15:48] That's what happened in the Charlie Kirk [00:15:50] case. I'm afraid it's 5 months in and [00:15:51] it's already happening. But before we [00:15:54] get to that, before we talk about that, [00:15:56] I want to bring up something important. [00:15:59] I didn't know I did not know that Erica [00:16:03] Kirk was sick. Ladies and gentlemen, I [00:16:05] learned that today. I learned that [00:16:08] today. She apparently is under the [00:16:10] weather. I'll play you a brief clip [00:16:11] explaining why. This is from her [00:16:13] Proclaim [00:16:15] Bible 365 [00:16:17] podcast group. [00:16:18] >> HELLO, MY BIBLE 365 BROTHERS AND [00:16:20] SISTERS. [00:16:22] I GOT TO TELL YOU, I AM SO excited about [00:16:26] today. We are doing a live Q&A. I cannot [00:16:30] wait to get down to answering some of [00:16:32] these questions, but I want to say [00:16:34] something right off the bat, and that is [00:16:37] our dear Erica is very much under the [00:16:41] weather. And uh it's got to be kind of [00:16:44] bad because most of the time that's not [00:16:47] enough to keep her from doing anything, [00:16:49] especially when it comes to stuff like [00:16:52] this. We've been looking forward to this [00:16:54] Q&A for quite some time. Obviously, [00:16:55] we're going to continue to do it and um [00:16:58] we're gonna have uh Kate join us in just [00:17:01] a second. Uh which I'm looking forward [00:17:03] to, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT. [00:17:05] And what I wanted to do was just open up [00:17:07] in prayer. Oh, okay. So, he opens up and [00:17:10] prays for her and and we should pray for [00:17:11] people who are sick. I don't want [00:17:12] anything bad to happen to Erica. Um but [00:17:15] I I bring that up for an interesting [00:17:17] reason. Um if if if it was just that she [00:17:20] was sick, I probably wouldn't even have [00:17:21] mentioned it. But we have a timeline [00:17:24] that we can look at of when this [00:17:28] event was scheduled. Um, we can look at [00:17:32] the website for example uh where the [00:17:34] event was announced. Here is the [00:17:37] announcement of the live Q&A February [00:17:40] 20th 2 to 3:00 p.m. Pacific Standard [00:17:42] Time. There's a private YouTube link, so [00:17:45] you have to be invited to this thing. [00:17:47] Um, and this was going to have uh this [00:17:50] gentleman here on the left who is her [00:17:53] Bible in 365 [00:17:56] co-host. His name is Katis K A DD I S. [00:17:59] He's an Egyptian American priest. Not [00:18:02] priest um pastor. And then uh uh Erica [00:18:07] Kirk was going to be invited for the [00:18:09] Bible in uh 365 I guess Bible in a year [00:18:12] or whatever. This is the the branding of [00:18:14] this event. So, they announced this, but [00:18:18] but when did they announce it? Well, we [00:18:21] know that and this is interesting [00:18:22] because we can actually go to the [00:18:24] metadata of the website and we can look [00:18:27] at precisely the last modification of [00:18:29] this website. And I'll show you why this [00:18:32] is important in just a minute. But here [00:18:33] we can find, see this right here, last [00:18:34] mod. This was last modified on 20263. [00:18:41] So, this announcement was put up on [00:18:43] February 3rd, 2026. I promise you in [00:18:46] just a moment this is all going to make [00:18:47] sense to you. So what we have is on [00:18:51] February 3rd, 2026, Erica Kirk had [00:18:54] committed to doing a live Q&A. That live [00:18:57] Q&A was to take place on February 20th. [00:19:00] 17 days notice. Apparently she's gotten [00:19:03] sick. I don't doubt that she's sick. [00:19:06] That's not the purpose of this. The [00:19:07] purpose of this is to show you we're [00:19:08] able to capture these events because [00:19:12] why this becomes important [00:19:15] is this is not her first Q&A that she [00:19:17] was supposed to have done. [00:19:19] Here is another one that she was [00:19:21] scheduled to do. This one was on [00:19:26] fe uh September 26th of this year. [00:19:30] You might notice that date because it's [00:19:32] 16 days after her husband lost his life. [00:19:36] When I first saw that, I thought, well, [00:19:38] perhaps [00:19:40] surely this is something that was [00:19:42] scheduled before her husband lost his [00:19:46] life. [00:19:48] Maybe we should look at the metadata [00:19:50] then. When was this scheduled? What was [00:19:52] going on in Erica's life when this was [00:19:54] scheduled? [00:19:56] This is a September 26th [00:19:59] Q&A live with Erica Kirk and pastoral [00:20:02] advisor James Katis. So, [00:20:06] let's go and look [00:20:09] at when this event was scheduled. [00:20:12] It's a little weird. I'll be honest with [00:20:14] you. I would think she had something [00:20:16] else going on when this was scheduled, [00:20:18] but maybe not. [00:20:20] This event was scheduled [00:20:23] on September 19th of 2025. [00:20:27] September 19th of 2025. [00:20:30] Do you guys remember what was going on [00:20:33] on September 19th of 2025? That is the [00:20:36] last modification to this. [00:20:39] This September 26th date was last [00:20:41] modified on September 19th of 2025. [00:20:44] Meaning on September 19th of 2025, [00:20:47] somebody poked their head in and said, [00:20:49] "Hey, Erica, are you cool doing a Q&A [00:20:52] for your Bible 365 podcast next week?" [00:20:59] This was two days before Charlie's [00:21:01] memorial. [00:21:03] This was nine days after Charlie was [00:21:05] tragically taken from this [00:21:08] earth. [00:21:11] This was supposedly when everybody in [00:21:13] the building was working 100 120hour [00:21:16] weeks. [00:21:19] This supposedly was a day or two after [00:21:22] the funeral [00:21:24] that where they may or may not have [00:21:26] actually buried a body. [00:21:29] It's just a weird timing to me that you [00:21:32] would jump in and schedule a live Q&A [00:21:37] in this moment. Like there's so much [00:21:40] else going on. It just seems very [00:21:42] tonedeaf for me to somebody to poke [00:21:44] their head in her office and say, "Uh, [00:21:47] I know we're planning your husband's [00:21:49] memorial. I know we just did his [00:21:50] funeral. I know he just died. [00:21:55] Are you up for a Q&A? [00:21:58] You want to do a live Q&A next week? It [00:22:01] just [00:22:03] it's just tonedeaf." [00:22:07] And I think about this actually Daisy [00:22:10] found this. We discovered this and [00:22:12] talked about it before Candace had put [00:22:14] up her [00:22:18] um [00:22:20] preview for what she's doing this week. [00:22:24] At the time, there was no preview up. [00:22:25] That the two-minute preview I showed you [00:22:27] earlier was not up. [00:22:31] And it's [00:22:34] it's a gentle reminder that this is not [00:22:37] normal in my opinion. [00:22:40] I don't know any widow at age 36 [00:22:45] who's the mother of two kids under the [00:22:47] age of four or four and under. I'm not [00:22:49] sure exactly how old those kids are. [00:22:52] Who is two days out from planning a [00:22:54] memorial that's going to have I think [00:22:56] they end up with almost 300,000 people [00:22:58] there in the area that they captured [00:23:02] a day or two after the funeral. [00:23:08] who's out there planning Q&As's, [00:23:11] who's out there planning question and [00:23:12] answer sessions on a Bible podcast. I [00:23:14] just don't know anyone like this. Dare I [00:23:18] say [00:23:20] normal 36-year-old widows with two [00:23:24] orphan kids don't grieve like this. This [00:23:26] isn't normal to me. It's more evidence [00:23:29] that something's weird here. More [00:23:32] evidence that something's weird there. [00:23:33] But I don't want to get lost on this. I [00:23:36] don't want to get lost on this. It is [00:23:37] noteworthy though that the Q&As's for [00:23:40] this Bible 365, these Q&As's, they were [00:23:43] all public on YouTube up until August of [00:23:46] 2025, [00:23:49] starting with Charlie's death. They're [00:23:50] now all private. You get a private link. [00:23:52] They're not available online. You can't [00:23:54] watch them except the one from this last [00:23:57] month that Erica like from last week [00:23:59] where Erica was sick. [00:24:02] If Erica's not there, it's it's public. [00:24:05] You can see it. If Erica's there, it's [00:24:07] private. You're not allowed to look at [00:24:09] it. So, I thought that was a little [00:24:10] weird. It was just something that popped [00:24:12] up and I thought, [00:24:15] "This is not normal. This is not how [00:24:17] people grieve. This should not be [00:24:19] happening at all. This should not be [00:24:21] happening." All right. Now, I want to go [00:24:24] back to [00:24:27] uh a comment somebody made last night [00:24:29] where they said, "You might be able to [00:24:31] find a [00:24:34] an interview some there was some [00:24:35] information we were trying to find." And [00:24:36] they said, "Well, it's available in an [00:24:38] interview that Andrew Kulv gave with [00:24:40] Ross Douet of the New York Times, and [00:24:43] that interview uh is available on [00:24:45] YouTube." And I thought, well, I haven't [00:24:46] seen that. I wonder if there's anything [00:24:48] else good in there. Spoiler alert, [00:24:50] there's a lot of good stuff in there [00:24:53] as we're going back to the basics and [00:24:55] really trying to recreate a timeline. [00:24:56] This is dynamite. [00:24:59] This is dynamite. This is Andrew [00:25:02] uncensored when it comes to some of this [00:25:04] stuff. And there was an overarching [00:25:07] overriding [00:25:09] conclusion I had at the end of this. I'm [00:25:11] not going to show it's an hour and 10 [00:25:12] minutes. We're not going to sit here and [00:25:13] watch an hour and 10 minutes. I have a [00:25:14] few clips I want to pull out of it. They [00:25:16] range from 30 seconds to a few minutes [00:25:18] each. Um, but I want to I want to talk [00:25:20] about it because [00:25:22] I think it's pretty interesting. Uh, as [00:25:25] we're trying to put together what was [00:25:27] Charlie doing the last few days of his [00:25:29] life? What was Andrew and what were [00:25:31] other people doing on the day Charlie [00:25:33] passed away? [00:25:37] And then I'm not going to spoil the [00:25:38] surprise. I have an overriding [00:25:41] overarching conclusion I want to offer [00:25:44] and it is remarkable in light of [00:25:47] everything we will talk about today. So [00:25:49] I am going to play a few clips. I'm [00:25:52] going to make a quick commitment to you. [00:25:54] I'm going to try [00:25:56] to not screw this up. I'm going to try [00:25:58] to make sure you have sound every time [00:25:59] you have clips. I'm going to try to make [00:26:01] sure the clip is right here on the [00:26:02] screen right where I am now. I will be [00:26:04] relocated to one of these sides over [00:26:06] here. I'm not sure which way it goes. I [00:26:07] think I'm going to be over here. I'm [00:26:09] going to make sure Andrew and Ross are [00:26:11] big and and you're able to hear them. I [00:26:13] make no promises that it'll happen. I'm [00:26:15] just telling you I'm going to try to not [00:26:18] pull a bear in here. So, um let me get [00:26:21] started here. This is a first little [00:26:24] clip and it kind of sets up the whole [00:26:27] interview because Ross Douet asked him, [00:26:29] "Hey, give me a quick rundown of who you [00:26:31] are, Andrew Kovette. Tell me more." [00:26:34] >> Andrew Kovet, welcome to Interesting [00:26:36] Times. [00:26:37] >> Thank you. honor to be here. [00:26:39] >> Uh so I want to start just by doing a [00:26:41] kind of introduction and having you [00:26:43] explain your current role as a steward [00:26:47] of the organizations that Charlie Kirk [00:26:49] built. Um you're part of the leadership [00:26:52] of Turning Point USA, which is the [00:26:54] conservative youth organization that [00:26:56] Kirk founded. And you're also, well, you [00:26:58] were the executive producer of the [00:27:00] Charlie Kirk show, which Kirk hosted and [00:27:03] now you are hosting. So, just tell me a [00:27:06] little bit about how you came to be [00:27:08] involved with Charlie Kirk in the first [00:27:10] place. [00:27:12] >> All right, real quick. Let me pause for [00:27:13] just a second and say, um, this [00:27:16] interview was from, let me look real [00:27:18] quickly. This interview was from [00:27:20] December 11th is when it was posted. I [00:27:22] don't know when it was recorded. It may [00:27:23] have been recorded a day or two in [00:27:24] advance, but this is early December of [00:27:26] this year. Uh, and I think it's [00:27:28] important to note that. I want to make [00:27:30] sure we we capture that timeline. This [00:27:32] is early December of this year. A lot's [00:27:34] happened since then. Admittedly, it's [00:27:36] been three months since this interview [00:27:38] aired, but it doesn't change what he [00:27:40] says. And it doesn't change my [00:27:42] conclusion. Oh, that's the wrong one. [00:27:43] Put up. It doesn't change my conclusion [00:27:45] about what he said. [00:27:47] So, let me go now. So, we have kind of [00:27:49] an update. I I wanted to play his [00:27:51] question. So, you got sort of an idea of [00:27:54] why [00:27:55] Andrew is about to say the things he's [00:27:57] about to say, but I want you to listen [00:27:58] to Andrew's version of what he does and [00:28:02] how he got to TPUSA and what his role is [00:28:05] there. Because I think as we analyze, as [00:28:07] you guys know, and let me say this, I [00:28:09] found for a long time Andrew to be a [00:28:11] very sympathetic figure in this. I used [00:28:13] to look into the camera and ask Andrew [00:28:15] to come to repentance. [00:28:17] Let us know, Andrew. And I'll do it [00:28:19] again. Andrew, [00:28:22] this is where your soul we're talking [00:28:24] about here. This is not a joking matter. [00:28:26] I know we like to have fun on this [00:28:27] program. We laugh and we make fun of [00:28:28] people and we have a good time, but this [00:28:30] is your soul. This is a big deal. This [00:28:33] is a really big deal. [00:28:37] And my conclusion has a lot to do with [00:28:38] that. I'm going to give you the [00:28:40] conclusion after we hear more from them, [00:28:43] but I want you to hear it from him [00:28:45] directly. This is sort of the setup. [00:28:47] This isn't the the best and most juicy [00:28:49] part, but there's a there's a golden [00:28:52] nugget in this rambling answer he gives [00:28:53] initially, and I when I get to it, I'm [00:28:55] going to pause it and I'm going to tell [00:28:56] you this is totally changes my [00:28:58] impression of what's happened to Charlie [00:29:01] Kirk and how he ended up [00:29:04] in the grave. [00:29:05] >> And and I would be remiss if I didn't [00:29:07] say that the you know, the real reason [00:29:09] I'm here is because we had originally [00:29:11] scheduled Charlie to come sit down with [00:29:13] you. But I think what you said is [00:29:15] probably accurate. I I don't even [00:29:17] describe myself as the host of the [00:29:18] Charlie Kirk show. Um Charlie is the [00:29:20] host of the Charlie Kirk show and I see [00:29:23] our job as being stewards of his [00:29:27] mission. U [00:29:29] I want to pause right there because I [00:29:30] had the same look on my face. [00:29:33] Ross Ross Dou is a very serious man. [00:29:35] He's not prone to um to accept jargon. [00:29:41] When Andrew Kulit said Charlie is the [00:29:44] host of the Charlie Kirk show, I thought [00:29:46] uh [00:29:47] Andrew [00:29:49] Charlie's not with us anymore. [00:29:52] The show might be called the Charlie [00:29:54] Kirk show, but he's not the host. That [00:29:57] might be a cool weird expression that [00:30:00] you guys use and and and for stupid [00:30:03] people or low IQ people, they might eat [00:30:05] that up. [00:30:06] Ross Douet and your humble host both had [00:30:10] that same look on our faces when we [00:30:12] first heard that expression. Huh? [00:30:14] Char Charlie is the host of the Charlie [00:30:16] Kirk show [00:30:17] >> of his message. Uh but yeah, Charlie and [00:30:19] I we started the show in 2019. Uh May [00:30:22] 2019 was our first episode and we just [00:30:24] did one podcast a week and [00:30:28] >> which is I should say a lot [00:30:30] >> I can say now that now that I now that I [00:30:32] have a podcast of my own. But you were [00:30:33] working at Turning Point before then. [00:30:35] I'll go back a step. So, [00:30:38] >> this is important. He's going to say how [00:30:39] he ended up at Turning Point. I want you [00:30:42] to ask the question in your mind as [00:30:44] you're listening to this. Does it sound [00:30:47] like Charlie intended [00:30:50] to have Andrew Kovit and people [00:30:54] associated with him embedded into [00:30:56] Turning Point? Or does it sound like [00:30:59] like maybe they pursued him? And and [00:31:02] there's an important distinction to that [00:31:03] when you hear who he's been associated [00:31:05] with. [00:31:05] >> I was actually living and working in [00:31:07] Hollywood. I had I had a job working [00:31:10] with Mark Bernett, you know, of The [00:31:12] Voice, [00:31:13] >> uh Celebrity Apprentice, [00:31:16] you know, uh Survivor, [00:31:18] uh Shark Tank. [00:31:20] >> So, he was doing those projects and then [00:31:22] at some point he uh got into faith-based [00:31:25] content. you know, I was thrown into the [00:31:28] deep end of, you know, one day we would [00:31:30] be at uh Jimmy Kimmel or we'd be, you [00:31:34] know, at one of the one of the night [00:31:36] nightly shows and then we would go to [00:31:38] CNN and then we go to Fox and then we'd [00:31:40] be at a church. Um Mark's chief of [00:31:43] staff, guy named Johnny Moore at the [00:31:45] time, started a uh PR company, asked me [00:31:49] to start it with him. I wanted to write [00:31:52] screenplays actually doing the LA thing. [00:31:55] my head was still very much in that [00:31:56] space and I wanted to I wanted to make [00:31:58] content and so I kind of refused kind of [00:32:01] refused and then he he said you know why [00:32:03] don't you just work a couple days a week [00:32:05] help me get this thing off the ground [00:32:06] and then you can do your own thing and [00:32:07] along the way we started bringing on [00:32:09] conservative clients [00:32:11] so so he's he's working with these [00:32:14] people and he says they start bringing [00:32:16] on conservative clients listen to the [00:32:18] list of people he names [00:32:21] and see what they have in common in your [00:32:23] mind and then I'll tell you high [00:32:25] impression after he lists them. But as [00:32:26] he's listing these conservative clients [00:32:29] that Johnny Moore is bringing on on this [00:32:31] newly formed company that Andrew is [00:32:33] working on with uh working at with him, [00:32:36] listen to this list of people and tell [00:32:38] me if there's a common thread running [00:32:40] through these people. [00:32:40] >> So ended up uh Prageru was one of those [00:32:43] clients. We ended up uh bringing on the [00:32:45] Blaze as a client. [00:32:48] >> Prageru and the Blaze. [00:32:51] Does anybody know what they have in [00:32:53] common? [00:32:56] Prager, you and the Blaze are big Mike [00:32:58] Huckabe fans, if that tells you what uh [00:33:02] what they have in common. Huge into [00:33:04] Huckabe, big Huckabytes. And uh at one [00:33:07] point uh you know, Charlie came across [00:33:10] the path of Johnny in Southern Florida [00:33:13] at some event and said, "Hey, you should [00:33:15] look into this guy. He's young, but you [00:33:17] know, I think he's got a lot of energy. [00:33:18] You know, you should contact her. Here's [00:33:20] his email." So, [00:33:22] >> so, so Johnny runs across Charlie at an [00:33:25] event. He hears Charlie speaking. He [00:33:27] runs into a meta social event. I'm not [00:33:29] sure what, but he takes a liking to him. [00:33:33] Now, you keep in mind of when this is [00:33:35] this is precoid. [00:33:37] This is pre Erica or maybe Erica's just [00:33:40] entered the picture. [00:33:42] They're not married yet. They have no [00:33:44] kids. [00:33:46] But Johnny runs into Charlie and he [00:33:48] reaches out to Andrew and says, "You [00:33:51] need to contact this guy. You need to [00:33:53] you need to get in touch with him. You [00:33:55] need to bring him into the fold." What [00:33:56] fold? The blaze fold, [00:34:00] the Prageru fold, [00:34:03] the people who love our greatest ally. [00:34:06] You need to bring him into the fold. [00:34:08] This guy's got a following. He's got [00:34:10] energy. He's got money. [00:34:12] You need to get in touch with this guy. [00:34:14] How does that go? I reached out to him, [00:34:16] said, "Hey, you know, we'd love to talk [00:34:18] about maybe working with you." He he [00:34:20] basically ghosted, you know, for a [00:34:22] while. [00:34:24] He wasn't interested. No, thank you, Mr. [00:34:27] Kovit. I appreciate your offer, but no [00:34:29] thanks. [00:34:32] Did Andrew give up? [00:34:36] You know, when Mrs. Coleman when I first [00:34:37] approached her, much like Andrew was [00:34:39] approaching Charlie, only romantically, [00:34:41] not for work. She also was not amused [00:34:45] with your humble host, but I did not [00:34:46] give up. And sometimes that's what it [00:34:49] takes. And you'll be shocked to learn [00:34:51] how this is. [00:34:52] >> And uh eventually he had some news story [00:34:54] that was that he tried to handle on his [00:34:57] own that didn't go so well. and uh kind [00:35:00] of blew up and and then he called me, [00:35:02] got to work with him via the the agency [00:35:05] for about a year and then he he [00:35:08] basically said, "Hey, I like you. I'll [00:35:11] hire you. I'll be your first client and [00:35:14] I also want to start a podcast and I [00:35:15] want you to help me do that." [00:35:18] So what you have is [00:35:21] Andrew Kovette would not know who [00:35:23] Charlie Kirk is, but for Johnny Moore [00:35:26] spotting Charlie Kirk and saying this is [00:35:28] a guy we need. We need him on the team. [00:35:31] And sometimes all you got to do is plant [00:35:32] seeds. This is what we do. We're pros. [00:35:35] We're good at it. We uh we you know [00:35:38] we're professionals. [00:35:41] We've got people like the Blaze, people [00:35:43] like Prageru. he can help you. [00:35:49] These these this is a a well-known [00:35:52] tactic when you want to control [00:35:54] somebody. [00:35:56] You want to control somebody. You you [00:35:57] come in and you offer them something. [00:36:00] Maybe you offer to work at a reduced [00:36:01] rate. Maybe you offer to make their life [00:36:03] a little easier. But it planted a seed [00:36:06] and that seed germinated because [00:36:07] eventually Charlie comes across a [00:36:09] problem and says, "Oh, I need to call [00:36:10] that guy that I was talking to. What was [00:36:11] his name?" "Oh, Covid. I need to call K. [00:36:13] He needs to help me out with this. Now, [00:36:16] again, we're just getting Kulit's side [00:36:17] of it. Charlie's not available. We can't [00:36:19] hear his version. Charlie may have said, [00:36:22] "No, Kov, called me 73 times." I don't [00:36:24] know. I don't know. [00:36:26] But when I heard him say all this, I [00:36:28] thought, "Boy, this sounds like he was [00:36:29] pursued. Like, these guys are trying to [00:36:31] handle him. Like, they don't like they [00:36:34] realize he's got enough of a a following [00:36:38] that they don't want him to be a loose [00:36:40] cannon out on his own. They want to make [00:36:42] sure they can kind of control the [00:36:44] message, handle the message, put [00:36:46] messages in and and and shape Charlie [00:36:50] into a uh [00:36:53] into a different creature. Now, this is [00:36:55] where it gets really interesting to me. [00:36:56] We're skipping forward about 6 minutes. [00:36:57] So, if you if you're following along at [00:36:59] home and you're watching the the that [00:37:01] interview or you want to go back and [00:37:02] watch the rest of it, there's other good [00:37:03] stuff in there, but I think I've got [00:37:04] most of the good stuff in my clip. So, [00:37:06] we'll fast forward about six minutes. [00:37:10] Now they're going to talk about [00:37:12] what was the day of the Big Bang like [00:37:15] for you? What did you do in the day [00:37:16] leading up? What did you do on the day [00:37:18] of? Tell me how it affected you. It's a [00:37:20] very interesting discussion. [00:37:21] >> No. Um, if you don't mind, can you just [00:37:23] say something about what the day itself [00:37:26] was like for you? [00:37:28] >> Yeah. Um, [00:37:33] >> well, [00:37:36] it can be brief. [00:37:37] >> Yeah. Yeah, I know. It's um so the day [00:37:40] before actually I had booked an [00:37:42] interview for him that he was not super [00:37:44] pleased that I booked for him but it it [00:37:46] was there was a good reason for doing it [00:37:48] but he was he was like you know what I'm [00:37:50] tired now and I want to focus on the [00:37:52] tour tomorrow so you're going to you're [00:37:54] going to guest host the show tomorrow. [00:37:56] >> Okay, this is interesting to me. This I [00:37:58] I I booknoted this in my mind [00:38:01] and this took some research to put [00:38:03] together and figure out what the hell he [00:38:04] was just talking about. [00:38:07] Our handler here, Andrew, the guy who [00:38:10] pursued Charlie, [00:38:12] the guy who worked for the guy who [00:38:15] discovered Charlie in South Florida at [00:38:17] some event, and the guys got together [00:38:20] and said, "We need to control this guy. [00:38:21] We got to get we got to get in front of [00:38:22] this guy." [00:38:25] Andrew says the day before he passes [00:38:27] away, [00:38:29] he booked a an interview and Charlie [00:38:32] wasn't happy about it. [00:38:34] Well, [00:38:36] Daisy goes off and does Daisy things. [00:38:39] She looks up every interview [00:38:42] Charlie Kirk had the day before and [00:38:44] identified with near certainty what [00:38:48] exactly was the interview that Charlie [00:38:51] Kirk wasn't happy about. And when you [00:38:53] see it, you're going to go, "Oh, yeah, [00:38:55] exactly. I guarantee you he wasn't happy [00:38:58] about it." I'll play a clip of that [00:38:59] interview now if you guys don't mind. [00:39:01] It's uh pretty fascinating. [00:39:03] It's pretty fascinating. You guys [00:39:05] remember THIS INTERVIEW, THE EYEBROW [00:39:06] INTERVIEW? You guys remember when those [00:39:09] caterpillars went flying up his [00:39:10] forehead? I do. [00:39:14] I'll play that part right here. [00:39:16] >> I think it's very important for our [00:39:17] audience to hear this though because [00:39:18] there is a an incessant [00:39:21] campaign. And one thing a friend said to [00:39:23] me interestingly, [00:39:25] which is, "Okay, Charlie, we've pushed [00:39:27] back against the media on COVID, on [00:39:29] lockdowns, on Ukraine, on the border, on [00:39:33] it's like maybe we should also ask a [00:39:35] question. Is the media totally [00:39:37] presenting the truth when it comes to [00:39:38] Israel?" Just a question, you know, that [00:39:40] maybe we shouldn't believe. [00:39:42] >> LOOK AT THOSE BABIES. [00:39:45] Those are amazing. [00:39:47] Those are great eyebrows. And they're [00:39:49] high. They're very high on the forehead. [00:39:52] They just They just went right up. [00:39:59] Why would Charlie not have wanted to do [00:40:01] this interview? [00:40:04] If you've not seen the interview, it's [00:40:06] fantastic. I could play another minute [00:40:07] or so and give you a nice feel for it. [00:40:09] But why would Charlie not have wanted to [00:40:10] do this interview? [00:40:12] Could it be because he was texting [00:40:16] Andrew Kulit [00:40:18] and Dan Flood pretty much on this day, [00:40:22] September 9th, saying, "Uh, they're [00:40:23] trying to kill me. These people are [00:40:25] going to kill me. I think there are [00:40:28] people who want to kill me." And Andrew, [00:40:29] you know who they are. It's the eyebrow [00:40:31] people. [00:40:33] It's the people who do this. [00:40:41] Andrew was aware of the text thread [00:40:45] where he said, "I've left no choice but [00:40:47] to leave the pro-Isra Israel cause." [00:40:48] Andrew was aware of it. [00:40:51] Yet, he books this interview. [00:40:55] He books this interview. [00:41:00] It's insane to me. It's absolutely [00:41:04] insane to me. When you put it all [00:41:07] together in the timeline again, you got [00:41:08] to get back to the basics. You have to [00:41:10] strip away everything you think you know [00:41:11] about the Charlie Kirk investigation. [00:41:13] You have to pull it all away. [00:41:19] And you got to go back [00:41:23] and LOOK AT THE PEEPERS. YOU GOT TO LOOK [00:41:25] AT HIS PEEPERS AND the peeper covers. [00:41:27] Look at those curtains. [00:41:30] Everything the media says because I know [00:41:32] I've been conditioned to ask a lot more [00:41:35] critical questions over the last couple [00:41:36] of years. So Ben, some people would [00:41:38] accuse Israel of wanting to ethnically [00:41:41] cleanse. Some people in the Israeli [00:41:43] government are saying, again, it's all [00:41:44] over the place, right? You have opinions [00:41:45] all over. In your opinion, what would a [00:41:48] good outcome 5 years from now be? And [00:41:51] how does one respond to the claims of [00:41:53] ethnic cleansing? [00:41:55] Look at Ben's face. [00:42:00] Look at his face. Andrew booked this [00:42:03] interview knowing everything else that [00:42:05] was going on in Charlie's life. Every [00:42:08] other sing single thing going on in [00:42:10] Charlie's life, Andrew was aware of. At [00:42:12] one point, he calls him one of his best [00:42:13] friends, his business partner. [00:42:16] He acts like they were, you know, thick [00:42:18] as thieves. [00:42:22] He's aware of the text message, I'm left [00:42:24] with no choice but to leave the [00:42:25] pro-Israel cause. He's aware of the [00:42:27] problems that took place at the donor [00:42:28] summit. He's aware of the problems that [00:42:30] took place at the Hampton's meeting. [00:42:36] Yet, he says, [00:42:39] "I booked an interview that Charlie [00:42:41] wasn't happy about, but did it for a [00:42:43] good reason." [00:42:46] Ladies and gentlemen, what was the good [00:42:48] reason? What could the good reason have [00:42:50] possibly been? Why would you put him in [00:42:53] this situation? I didn't know how this [00:42:55] interview came to be.