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[00:00:00] Let's hit Nancy Guthrie because uh this [00:00:03] was I mean if you watched any of the [00:00:05] news last night so I got in late into [00:00:07] Palm Beach and I turned on the TV and it [00:00:09] was like wall- to-wall coverage like all [00:00:11] the networks were were covering it [00:00:13] because this was we are now in the 11th [00:00:15] day of this Nancy Guthrie saga where she [00:00:18] was kidnapped uh and people figured out [00:00:21] cuz she didn't make it to church and [00:00:23] they called the family. The family went [00:00:25] and checked. They immediately called 911 [00:00:26] and got the cops involved and the [00:00:29] investigation had stalled. It just felt [00:00:31] like there was no movement. There was [00:00:32] these ransom letters that were getting [00:00:34] sent to TMZ and local affiliates that [00:00:37] included Bitcoin wallets. [00:00:40] And you saw Savannah Guthrie going on TV [00:00:43] saying, "Please, you know, we want to [00:00:45] talk." And it does appear that there's [00:00:48] been activity now in this Bitcoin [00:00:51] wallet. So, originally there was $300 [00:00:53] sent. Now we're now we're being told it [00:00:55] could be all of it scent, but Harvey [00:00:57] Levan over TMZ is being very koi about [00:00:59] what they know. Uh it is it is one of [00:01:03] those crazy stories that just seem to [00:01:05] accelerate with a lot of velocity last [00:01:08] night. And so the FBI releases these [00:01:11] Ring doorbell footage that came from [00:01:13] sort of residual data on this Ring [00:01:16] doorbell. She Nancy Guthrie did not have [00:01:19] a subscription to keep the footage to [00:01:22] store the footage. And so the FBI had to [00:01:24] come in with their digital experts and [00:01:27] recreate it, reverse engineer it. And [00:01:30] then they went and found a person of [00:01:32] interest. SWAT teams were sent out. They [00:01:35] investigated this guy. It was uh [00:01:40] everybody last night was thinking, was [00:01:41] this the guy that that kidnapped her? [00:01:44] was somebody that was associated with [00:01:45] the case. And listen, when the when the [00:01:48] networks like this and when the tabloids [00:01:51] are all covering this story, it means [00:01:52] there's a billion eyeballs on this thing [00:01:54] for this has captured the imagination of [00:01:57] the country. And it's just a really [00:02:00] interesting story because as Blake has [00:02:02] mentioned, as I've mentioned, as Charlie [00:02:04] used to mention, you know, this is [00:02:06] really close to the Mexican border and [00:02:09] this person of interest was pulled over [00:02:11] in a traffic stop about 10 minutes from [00:02:14] the Mexican border. So, it's actually [00:02:15] south of Tucson where Nancy Guthrie [00:02:17] lives. He's pulled over in 10 minutes [00:02:19] away from the border. We're all [00:02:21] thinking, "Uh-oh, here we go. Here we go [00:02:23] now. Could be the cartels." Then they [00:02:25] interview him. This guy gets released. [00:02:26] He He says he's innocent. 356. [00:02:31] >> What were they asking you about? [00:02:34] >> Where were my whereabouts? [00:02:35] >> Okay. [00:02:35] >> Where do I work? Where was I? And all [00:02:37] that. But [00:02:38] >> are you ever up in Tucson? [00:02:39] >> Yeah, I work in Tucson. [00:02:40] >> What do you do? [00:02:41] >> GLS. Deliver packages. [00:02:43] >> Okay. Do you think you might have [00:02:44] delivered a package to Nancy Guthther's [00:02:45] house? [00:02:45] >> I don't know. Might have been a [00:02:47] possibility. I don't know. [00:02:48] >> Yeah. Do you ever deliver like Amazon [00:02:50] packages or anything? [00:02:51] >> Well, it's that's it's kind of the same [00:02:52] thing. [00:02:53] >> Yeah. So, do you think you may have Did [00:02:55] they ever Did they indicate that you [00:02:56] might have been on her property? [00:02:57] >> N. [00:02:57] >> You're not sure? [00:02:58] >> No, they just came up. They they they [00:03:01] >> Until right now, all I know is that they [00:03:02] show my my my in-law a picture of [00:03:06] somebody wearing a mask or something and [00:03:08] they they supposedly looked like my [00:03:09] eyes, right? [00:03:13] Okay. So, he denies this. His I guess [00:03:16] his mother-in-law was doing interviews [00:03:18] with MS Now or or CNN last night uh as [00:03:23] well. It's a fascinating story that [00:03:25] seems to be developing. I think the big [00:03:26] headline here, Blake, is the the power [00:03:31] of the FBI to retrace digital [00:03:34] footprints. Oh, we do have John now. [00:03:36] John Solomon. Yes. Welcome. Welcome to [00:03:39] the show, John. [00:03:40] >> Good to be with you. You've been [00:03:41] fighting tech all morning. Good. [00:03:43] >> It's It's great to have you. We're We're [00:03:45] good. It's been one of those mornings, [00:03:46] though. [00:03:47] >> So, John, give us the latest. I mean, [00:03:49] there was It seemed like this case had [00:03:51] stalled and then all of a sudden it just [00:03:53] accelerated rapidly with Savannah [00:03:55] Guthrie and her mom who's obviously been [00:03:58] kidnapped. Nancy, [00:03:59] >> what is the latest? They had this person [00:04:01] of interest that was detained, not [00:04:02] arrested. They've let this person go. [00:04:04] What What's the latest? [00:04:06] So, I think what you're seeing is the [00:04:08] FBI has a pool of suspects. Remember [00:04:10] what Cash Patel told Sean Hannity last [00:04:12] night that they're looking at multiple [00:04:14] people who could be involved in this. [00:04:16] Now, it doesn't mean they were working [00:04:17] together. Could be that they've got a [00:04:18] pool of people that fit certain [00:04:20] criteria. Their phone was in the area at [00:04:22] the time. Their eyes look the same as [00:04:24] the guy on the camera. Uh they were near [00:04:26] or their phone was near a location that [00:04:28] was of interest. and they're trying to [00:04:30] narrow down uh who those people are and [00:04:32] whether one of those people uh could or [00:04:34] more than one of those people could have [00:04:36] been involved in the abduction. And so [00:04:38] it's a process of elimination. And you [00:04:41] know, we in the media sometimes want [00:04:42] instant gratification. First guy, we're [00:04:44] going to get him. You know, Cash Patel [00:04:46] did a good job getting uh Charlie's [00:04:49] shooter right away. But sometimes you [00:04:51] have to eliminate few pimp. We got four [00:04:53] phones in the right area at the right [00:04:55] time and we got to figure out which one [00:04:57] is which until we find the guy whose [00:04:58] eyes match who's on the camera. And I [00:05:00] think they're in a process of [00:05:02] elimination right now. And that will [00:05:04] mean some people are going to be [00:05:05] detained who are innocent. Some people [00:05:06] who are going to be detained that might [00:05:08] ultimately be involved in the plot. But [00:05:10] it is a process of elimination. And it's [00:05:12] not unlike what happens in a case like [00:05:14] this where a lot of the evidence is [00:05:15] already cold and you got to go back and [00:05:18] and go to your second level of evidence [00:05:20] to start finding people. second level of [00:05:21] evidence is a little less certain, but [00:05:23] it gives you a pool of people to start [00:05:25] looking at. And I think they're in that [00:05:27] process right now. [00:05:29] >> Yeah. And John, that's my question, [00:05:30] right? Because we I remember this when, [00:05:33] you know, Charlie was killed. You know, [00:05:35] that everybody was talking about the [00:05:36] first 48 hours. This is day 11 of this. [00:05:40] So, you know, the question then becomes, [00:05:42] you know, h how did does this case get [00:05:46] solved 11 days out from the actual [00:05:49] crime? And you know what what is the um [00:05:55] I guess my question has really been [00:05:57] centered around is this cartel related? [00:05:59] Have you heard anybody referencing that? [00:06:01] Is there concern about that? I I noticed [00:06:03] last night on the networks nobody was [00:06:05] mentioning that. Nobody wants to get [00:06:06] ahead of themselves. I get that. But [00:06:08] this to me would be the the immediate [00:06:11] thought. But you know everybody keeps [00:06:13] looking for those closest to the Guthrie [00:06:15] family that might be connected in the [00:06:16] Tucson area. 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Obviously not [00:07:06] enough familiarity because they looked [00:07:08] like they got surprised by the ring [00:07:09] camera. That's why they go get the brush [00:07:11] and try to get rid of the ring camera. [00:07:13] But they seem to know uh the structure [00:07:15] of the house, how to enter uh and where [00:07:17] to go run back from. And so that tells [00:07:20] you that this was a crime that at least [00:07:22] was thought out if not from someone that [00:07:23] has some familiarity with the property. [00:07:26] Uh but that doesn't mean that a drug [00:07:27] cartel couldn't have cased the joint. It [00:07:29] doesn't mean that an insider could have [00:07:31] been involved. It could mean someone [00:07:32] that they met once and they came back to [00:07:34] the house and realized they had a victim [00:07:37] of potential opportunity. um they're in [00:07:39] a phase now where they don't have a [00:07:42] singular theory and I think that's what [00:07:43] happens 11 days out you start to [00:07:45] approach a case from a cold case [00:07:47] perspective just like the way the FBI [00:07:50] produced um uh the and arrested the uh [00:07:53] January 6 bomber after 5 years you go [00:07:56] back and now you start to look at a [00:07:58] wider circle of evidence someone in a [00:08:00] pattern of evidence someone had that [00:08:02] ring camera for a while where did that [00:08:04] ring camera while its battery was still [00:08:06] on what direction was that going in [00:08:08] Where did it last ping? What are the [00:08:10] white trucks that went by the house who [00:08:12] has a white truck or a white SUV? [00:08:15] Because that was what neighbors [00:08:16] reported. And you start looking for [00:08:18] people that have multiple points of [00:08:20] evidence, but none of them are directly [00:08:22] obviously involved. And you start going [00:08:24] through them and saying, could this be [00:08:26] the person? They have a very important [00:08:28] piece of evidence. They have biometrics [00:08:30] of the eyes. And they're going to find [00:08:32] that person eventually by stopping [00:08:34] someone. and one of the first things [00:08:36] they're going to do is an iris scan to [00:08:38] see if it matches that um that suspect [00:08:41] and I think that that is a process is [00:08:44] but they're widening the circle because [00:08:45] there isn't a singular obvious candidate [00:08:48] that's going to result in some misses [00:08:50] you when you do this sort of process of [00:08:52] elimination some people are going to be [00:08:54] innocent but you know they fit some of [00:08:55] the data profiles and you got to work [00:08:57] them down but they're more in a cold [00:08:59] case mode now than they were in the [00:09:01] first 48 hours when you try to solve a [00:09:03] crime There's a lot of questions about [00:09:05] what the sheriff did and didn't do in [00:09:07] the early part of this investigation, [00:09:08] why the property was abandoned for a [00:09:10] while. [00:09:10] >> Yeah. [00:09:11] >> Yeah. It was a big [00:09:12] >> That's my question, John. So, there [00:09:14] there was there's been sort of a [00:09:16] storyline here that local officials were [00:09:18] slow to cooperate with the feds. Have [00:09:20] you confirmed that in your reporting? [00:09:23] >> I think there's been conversations going [00:09:25] along all throughout, but that the [00:09:28] sheriff's department was in the lead [00:09:29] early on and then at some point the FBI [00:09:31] comes into the lead three to four days [00:09:33] out. And that's not an uncommon scenario [00:09:36] uh in a local crime uh particularly u uh [00:09:40] if you know it looks like the local [00:09:42] police can solve in the first couple [00:09:44] days FBI comes in an assistatory role [00:09:46] when you get three to four days out and [00:09:48] when there's a possibility that this [00:09:49] could be a multiple person plot which is [00:09:52] one of the theories here you got the [00:09:54] crypto coming in the alleged crypto [00:09:56] allegations you now bring in the FBI's [00:09:59] expertise and they bring capabilities [00:10:01] that a local sheriff's department has [00:10:03] FBI is much better at going back and [00:10:06] retrieving uh old ring footage, camera [00:10:08] footage than a local police would be [00:10:10] capable of doing. There are forensic [00:10:12] capabilities that local police don't [00:10:13] have. And so the FBI comes in with that. [00:10:15] That's how you get the video. The video [00:10:17] comes out. It starts getting people [00:10:18] thinking, I think I know someone that [00:10:20] looks like that. He drives a white van. [00:10:22] Tips start coming in. And then you're [00:10:23] starting to call call that um uh pool of [00:10:26] suspects. And you go back to the January [00:10:28] 6 case and it's a classic case of [00:10:30] solving an old crime and an old crime is [00:10:32] anything outside the 48 hour window when [00:10:35] when everything Emmy Le is still hot. Uh [00:10:37] they had a group of people uh that they [00:10:40] saw come in the third street tunnel. [00:10:42] They had a group of people who had [00:10:44] phones. They had uh in the vicinity they [00:10:46] had a group of people uh that uh had [00:10:49] some political reasons to uh have [00:10:52] concerns about January 6. [00:10:53] >> 5 seconds. and they they put all those [00:10:56] people on a map and you just start [00:10:57] eliminating till you find your guy. And [00:10:58] that's what's going on right now. [00:11:00] >> We shouldn't be having kidnappings in [00:11:01] the United States of America. This feels [00:11:03] very Latin. It's a a point Blake Blake [00:11:05] Nef makes a lot on this show. It feels [00:11:07] very Latin American and it's so close to [00:11:09] the border. But Dan Bonino says he's [00:11:12] like he he he lays out three options, [00:11:14] you know, and he was former deputy [00:11:16] director of the FBI. So he says one, [00:11:18] this is either highly calculated [00:11:19] professional crime. Two, the initial [00:11:21] story is not everything. it's not the [00:11:23] full truth that the investigators are [00:11:25] holding back details because it's [00:11:26] probably messier or more explosive. I [00:11:28] don't know if that means it involves, [00:11:30] you know, family members or connections [00:11:31] that are closer. Or option three, law [00:11:34] enforcement's completely stumped and [00:11:35] they just don't want to they don't want [00:11:37] to say it. They're scared to admit that [00:11:38] they're that stumped. Of those three [00:11:40] options, where would you approximate [00:11:42] where we're at right now? [00:11:44] >> I think you merge one and two together [00:11:45] and you probably have your best option. [00:11:47] There's probably some professionalism to [00:11:49] this. Uh, but there could be some [00:11:51] connectivity to people who know the [00:11:53] family or knew of the family and might [00:11:56] have reached out and got someone to do [00:11:58] the initial kidnapping and then it goes [00:12:00] a little bit south, right? I think [00:12:02] that's the theory I've heard most [00:12:04] commonly uh in talking to law [00:12:05] enforcement the last couple of days. So, [00:12:08] uh, there may be someone who knows the [00:12:10] family in some capacity at some time who [00:12:13] saw an a crime of opportunity. they [00:12:15] might have reached out to someone to [00:12:17] work with them to pull off that crime [00:12:19] and then it seems to go south in some [00:12:21] ways. Uh and that's why some of the the [00:12:23] the police assess that some of these um [00:12:27] ransom notes seem not the normal path [00:12:30] towards a ransom or kidnapping sort of [00:12:32] crime. And so those are uh that's what [00:12:35] I've heard on the inside. Uh I don't [00:12:37] think they're fully stumped. When you [00:12:39] when you put out a video footage and you [00:12:41] can show the eyes of a guy and that [00:12:42] means they probably have a car [00:12:44] somewhere, it means they probably have [00:12:46] tracking on the Ring device. When that [00:12:48] guy takes the Ring device with him, [00:12:49] pulls it off, that's trackable for a [00:12:51] period of time until the battery dies [00:12:53] and then at some point people like that [00:12:55] are going to have pick up their cell [00:12:57] phones and so they have the third part [00:12:59] is definitely true. They'll have more [00:13:00] data than they put out there. [00:13:02] >> Uh but I think they're looking at a [00:13:04] combination of someone who had [00:13:05] familiarity with her or the family. uh [00:13:08] and then uh maybe bringing in someone to [00:13:11] commit the crime.