George Galloway Speaks Out on Being Forced Into Exile After Criticizing Ukraine War

[00:00:00] George Galloway, thank you very much for [00:00:02] doing this. I I'm sitting uh in London [00:00:04] in the city of London right now. I'm an [00:00:07] American. You're a citizen of the [00:00:09] country I'm sitting in, but you're not [00:00:10] in this country. You're in another [00:00:12] country. Why are you there? And when are [00:00:14] you coming back? [00:00:16] >> Well, it's a long and difficult story. [00:00:18] It started last month when my good wife [00:00:20] and I were detained but not arrested by [00:00:25] the anti-terrorism police at Gatwick [00:00:28] airport in London. Now ponder that piece [00:00:31] of Kfka-esque framing. Uh you are not [00:00:35] under arrest but you are not free to [00:00:38] leave. They said these pistol packing [00:00:41] anti-terrorist cops. They said, "You [00:00:44] have no right to silence, and if you [00:00:48] refuse to answer any of our questions, [00:00:50] you will automatically be guilty under [00:00:53] the terrorism act of an act in defiance [00:00:57] of that very serious act." And the [00:01:00] policeman joked, "Good luck ever getting [00:01:02] on an airplane again." Now to complete [00:01:06] the framing, I'm 71 years old, seven [00:01:09] times elected member of parliament, a [00:01:12] member of the British Parliament across [00:01:14] five decades, the leader of a British [00:01:17] political party, the biggest broadcaster [00:01:20] in Britain, not nearly as big as you, [00:01:22] but the biggest British broadcaster in [00:01:25] Britain, broadcasting to the largest [00:01:28] audience every single week. I'm one of [00:01:30] the best known people in the country and [00:01:33] I've got armed anti-terrorist police [00:01:36] telling me I'm not under arrest but I am [00:01:38] not free to leave. And of course it [00:01:41] quickly turned out that the purpose of [00:01:44] the pool, the detention was speech, my [00:01:48] podcasts, my broadcasts, my tweet uh [00:01:52] output, my Facebook output. That's the [00:01:56] Britain that we now have today. And we [00:01:59] spent four hours in my case, five hours [00:02:03] in my wife's case in two separate rooms [00:02:06] surrounded by armed police officers [00:02:09] being questioned about our political [00:02:12] views and in my wife's case her [00:02:14] fingernail which is painted rather [00:02:16] nicely in the Palestine colors. Now if [00:02:20] you had told me uh 8 weeks ago that such [00:02:24] a thing was even remotely possible, I [00:02:26] would not have believed you. There is no [00:02:30] more patriotic British citizen than me. [00:02:33] In the last decade, Mr. Carson, I fought [00:02:36] two major battles for the British state. [00:02:40] 2014, the spectator said my speeches [00:02:44] saved the Union when Scotland's [00:02:47] separatist referendum looked very much [00:02:49] like it was going to succeed. and 2016 I [00:02:54] was one of the leading figures in the [00:02:56] Brexit movement trying to win Britain's [00:03:00] independence. And so here I am sitting [00:03:03] in a police station in Gatwick airport [00:03:06] with armed men questioning me on my [00:03:09] political views. So the trauma of all [00:03:13] that uh to be honest being outside of [00:03:15] the country is the least of it. If I [00:03:18] tell you, and nobody knows this except [00:03:20] you and me and whoever watches, uh, it [00:03:24] literally broke my heart. I now have a [00:03:26] cardiologist. I'm a man who never lost a [00:03:31] day through illness at work in my entire [00:03:35] life. And now I have a heart condition, [00:03:39] arhythmic arhythmia, which the uh [00:03:43] consultant cardiologist, a very fine [00:03:46] one, tells me is of recent provenence. [00:03:49] So you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes [00:03:51] to work out that these cops actually [00:03:54] broke my heart. [00:03:56] >> I first of all, let me just commend you [00:03:58] for your very long string of good calls. [00:04:01] You were against the Iraq war. You were [00:04:02] against Scottish secession. and you were [00:04:05] for Brexit. So, I don't I don't think [00:04:06] there are many people who can say they [00:04:07] were right in all three. Um, but I'm [00:04:10] confused as to why a 70-year-old former [00:04:13] member of parliament would be considered [00:04:15] a terror threat. And what was the [00:04:17] pretext for doing this to you? Do you [00:04:18] know? Well, the terror act uh through [00:04:22] which I sat in its passage and opposed [00:04:25] every line precisely because of the [00:04:28] possibility of its abuse in this kind of [00:04:31] way allows the police to seize your uh [00:04:36] documents, seize your telephone, your [00:04:39] laptop, seize everything only at the [00:04:43] port. They would need a warrant to do it [00:04:46] anywhere else in the country and they'd [00:04:48] be very unlikely to get one in regard to [00:04:51] me. But they saw the opportunity of [00:04:54] stopping me under that act and divesting [00:04:57] me of my whole life. everything, my [00:05:00] parliamentary correspondence, my legal [00:05:03] correspondence, my personal family [00:05:06] pictures, my uh political [00:05:10] correspondence, the members of my party, [00:05:13] uh the membership list of my party and [00:05:16] they took it. And this is precisely the [00:05:19] abuse of the word terrorism that you saw [00:05:23] in London yesterday where old ladies, [00:05:27] old men, people in wheelchairs, blind [00:05:30] people are being arrested under the [00:05:33] terrorism act for holding up a [00:05:35] plaqueart, a little piece of cardboard [00:05:39] at their breast and they are being taken [00:05:42] away under terrorism charges. This is [00:05:45] the nightmare that is Britain. Uh your [00:05:49] stature will definitely not uh be uh a [00:05:54] cause for your being huckled in the way [00:05:57] that I was. You are a very big global [00:06:00] figure. They wouldn't dare to touch you [00:06:03] to get your telephone to get your [00:06:06] laptop. But if they could even do it to [00:06:09] me, then I ask you to ponder just who [00:06:14] would be safe in Britain from that. So [00:06:16] to complete my answer to your first [00:06:19] question, I'm not going back to Britain [00:06:22] until I know that that will not happen [00:06:25] again. Not least because of the health [00:06:28] problem that it has given me after the [00:06:31] first time. and they will not give me an [00:06:34] assurance that it will not happen again. [00:06:37] And if you think about it, why would it [00:06:39] not happen again? Because it happened [00:06:41] because of my broadcasts and the fact [00:06:44] that the British state and the stumer [00:06:47] Kier Starmer who leads it for the moment [00:06:50] at least don't like what I say on my [00:06:53] podcast. Well, I'm still broadcasting [00:06:56] every Sunday and Wednesday and I still [00:06:58] have the same point of view. So there's [00:07:01] no guarantee whatsoever that the same [00:07:04] thing wouldn't happen to me again. My [00:07:06] wife couldn't sleep or eat for weeks [00:07:09] after it. She's already thin. She lost [00:07:12] 10 pounds nearly in weight as a result [00:07:16] of the trauma of this occasion. We knew [00:07:20] that it had happened to other people, [00:07:23] but we didn't think that we would be [00:07:25] regarded as other people because of the [00:07:28] position I have over 50 years in [00:07:31] politics in in Great Britain. But it did [00:07:35] happen and it could happen again. [00:07:36] >> What did they accuse you of doing wrong? [00:07:38] Had you called for armed insurrection [00:07:40] against the Stormer government or what [00:07:43] was their claim? [00:07:44] >> No, I don't even believe in that. Never [00:07:47] mind call for it. I believe in [00:07:50] democracy. I believe in freedom of [00:07:53] speech. That's the problem. We are [00:07:56] governed by a prime minister and a pygmy [00:08:00] cabinet uh which rubber stamps every [00:08:04] cockamin scheme he has to take us into [00:08:07] war with Russia. Now I don't want to go [00:08:11] to war with Russia. Not for Russia's [00:08:14] sake, but for Britain's sake, for the [00:08:17] sake of the British people whose blood [00:08:20] and treasure would be burned, and the uh [00:08:23] British people whose country might [00:08:25] disappear into cinders and ash [00:08:29] underneath their feet if such a war were [00:08:32] to take place. So the approximate reason [00:08:35] in so far as one can glean it from 4 [00:08:39] hours of circumlocution [00:08:42] uh is that I oppose the British [00:08:44] government's policy towards Russia. Now [00:08:47] I might be right on that. I might be [00:08:49] wrong on that, but as uh John Stewart [00:08:52] Mill points out, if you deny a point of [00:08:56] view the right to be heard, the loser is [00:08:59] not the person with that point of view. [00:09:02] Yes. [00:09:02] >> But the rest of us, because we will not [00:09:05] hear what might actually turn out to [00:09:08] have been good advice. Uh but that's not [00:09:11] the way these social democrats, social [00:09:14] democrats, Christian democrats all [00:09:16] across Europe have put the lights out on [00:09:19] freedom of speech, lights out on [00:09:22] democracy. They're interfering in [00:09:24] elections. They're cancelling other [00:09:26] people's elections. They are throttling [00:09:28] free and independent media. They are [00:09:31] bankrolling stowge media to try and [00:09:34] crowd out. they are threatening the [00:09:37] social media platforms uh with sanction [00:09:40] and even closure if they don't cowtow uh [00:09:44] to the prevailing orthodoxy and uh I'm [00:09:47] afraid Britain is in the vanguard of all [00:09:50] of that and I again I make this point [00:09:53] I'm not saying this because I hate [00:09:55] Britain but because I love it is it is [00:09:59] an ache for me to be outside of my [00:10:02] country all of this time I have children [00:10:05] there. I have a house there. I have a [00:10:07] very keen addiction to the English [00:10:10] Premiership in uh football, soccer, you [00:10:14] call it. I'm I'm I'm torn from all of [00:10:16] that. I'm torn from my family and [00:10:19] friends. So, it's a dull ache for me, [00:10:22] but it's not as painful as another armed [00:10:25] arrest by the anti-terrorism squad would [00:10:28] be. So, for the time being, uh, it looks [00:10:31] like my wife and I are around the world [00:10:33] in 80 days. And then, [00:10:35] >> has anyone come to your defense? Beam's [00:10:38] Black Friday sale is open for early [00:10:40] access for anyone who listens to this [00:10:41] show. It's their best off for the year. [00:10:43] 48 hours, that's all it lasts. Listeners [00:10:44] of this show can get up to 50% off. Use [00:10:47] the code Tucker. That means you get [00:10:48] Beam's dream powder for just $1 per [00:10:51] night. Dollar per night for the best [00:10:53] sleep you ever had. 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And the most surprising people uh [00:11:38] people like Lord Hannon, Daniel Hannon, [00:11:42] uh who I when he was the leader writer [00:11:45] for the Daily Telegraph at the time of [00:11:47] the Iraq war, I cost his newspaper 2.1 [00:11:51] million pounds in liel damages. But that [00:11:54] didn't stop him taking the principled [00:11:56] stand of denouncing this misuse of the [00:12:00] word terrorism, [00:12:02] this uh abuse of the anti-terrorism [00:12:06] legislation to impound a prominent [00:12:10] politician for nothing other than [00:12:12] expounding, he said, his abhorrent [00:12:16] views. And that's a real measure of a [00:12:20] believer in free speech. And there were [00:12:22] one or two others on the other side of [00:12:25] the political aisle from me, but uh not [00:12:28] that many from my own side because my [00:12:32] own side, the so-called left, which is [00:12:35] really now just liberal. Americans don't [00:12:37] get the difference, uh is uh has drunk [00:12:41] the Kool-Aid of the uh Ukraine war. uh [00:12:45] they they appear to be going quietly [00:12:48] into the potential good night of nuclear [00:12:51] war. Well, I will not I will rage [00:12:54] against that uh dying of the light. [00:12:56] >> What's so remarkable is you became [00:12:58] famous as a leader in the Labor Party, [00:13:01] as a big figure in the Labor Party. I [00:13:03] know that you were kicked out 20 years [00:13:06] ago or so over your opposition to the [00:13:09] Iraq war, but I mean, just listen to [00:13:10] your accent. Everything about you says [00:13:12] old-fashioned Labor Party. How weird is [00:13:15] it to see that party that you grew up in [00:13:18] and worked for become a kind of [00:13:20] spokesman for war and international [00:13:23] capital and like everything I thought [00:13:25] they were against? [00:13:27] >> Well, as you know, this is the era of uh [00:13:30] crossdressing and political [00:13:32] crossdressing more than any. uh the the [00:13:36] the left are now the wararmongers and [00:13:40] the peacemakers so far as they exist are [00:13:43] largely to be found on the right [00:13:45] particularly in the United States uh [00:13:48] particularly if I may say so in in your [00:13:51] own uh person uh the the truth is the [00:13:57] right-wing slightly unhinged president [00:14:00] of the United States is doing everything [00:14:03] that he can to stop a war in Europe. And [00:14:07] the Europeans, [00:14:09] social democrats and Christian Democrats [00:14:12] alike, are determined to stop him [00:14:16] stopping the war, to continue the war. [00:14:19] That's the ultimate crossdressing, it [00:14:22] seems to me. I I grew up in an era out [00:14:25] on the streets protesting about uh US [00:14:28] wars. Now the US trying to stop the war [00:14:31] in Europe and the people who would once [00:14:33] have been demonstrating with me [00:14:35] alongside me are the ones demanding that [00:14:38] the war should continue. So the Labor [00:14:41] Party and indeed all of European social [00:14:44] democracy and social democracy in the US [00:14:47] in the form of the Democratic party uh [00:14:51] have crossdressed. They believe that uh [00:14:54] a woman can have a penis, that a man can [00:14:57] have a cervix, that I am somehow a phobe [00:15:00] or an ist if I say I don't want my [00:15:04] daughters changing for the swimming [00:15:06] baths alongside a man uh a fully formed [00:15:11] biological male. Uh that makes me a [00:15:14] phobe, an ist to be denounced and [00:15:17] blackarded and uh and blacklisted, [00:15:20] shadowbanned. Uh we we are truly living [00:15:24] in a nightmare in uh the western world [00:15:27] as a whole I believe but in Western [00:15:30] Europe uh in particular where uh all [00:15:34] that is solid has melted into air and [00:15:38] all that was sacred is now routinely [00:15:41] profaneed and I I rage against it. I I [00:15:45] you know I want nothing from anybody and [00:15:47] nothing that matters to me can be taken [00:15:50] away by anybody. So I'm a free man in [00:15:54] that sense and I intend to use that [00:15:56] freedom to speak my truth and I think [00:16:01] any attempt to stop me is doomed because [00:16:05] there are many many people ready to pick [00:16:07] up my microphone should they ever be [00:16:10] able to prize it away. [00:16:11] >> God bless you. That what a wonderful [00:16:12] description. There are so few free men [00:16:16] and everyone who is free has a moral [00:16:18] obligation to do what you're doing, [00:16:20] which is to speak his conscience out [00:16:21] loud. So, thank you. I follow this as [00:16:24] closely as an American can, but trying [00:16:26] to be honest here. European politics is [00:16:29] not my politics and it's confusing [00:16:31] despite, you know, however hard I've [00:16:32] tried to understand it. And I don't [00:16:34] fully think I comprehend why nations [00:16:38] that are beset with systemic and very [00:16:40] serious problems, including economic [00:16:43] problems, that don't have meaningful [00:16:45] standing armies, they can't prevail if [00:16:48] they were actually to fight Russia. Of [00:16:49] course, they would they would lose. But [00:16:51] why would they want to? Why are they [00:16:53] dead set on war with Russia? Do you [00:16:56] understand the motive? [00:16:57] >> Well, you know, uh the there's an old [00:17:00] First World War uh truism. Uh we're here [00:17:03] because we're here and ultimately we'll [00:17:05] be here to guard the graves of those [00:17:07] that were here because they were here. [00:17:10] Uh it's partly that they have dug [00:17:13] themselves. I don't want to get [00:17:15] Shakespearean but they are steeped in [00:17:17] blood so far that it is a genuine [00:17:20] question whether it's bloodier to go on [00:17:23] or to go. Uh and they have spent so many [00:17:29] hundreds of billions of euros pounds [00:17:32] dollars of their people's money in a [00:17:35] fororn charge of the light brigade. uh [00:17:39] that it's fatal for them politically uh [00:17:42] to admit that they were wrong, that they [00:17:45] misused all those funds and they caused [00:17:48] the deaths of all those people for no [00:17:52] reason. And so it seems to me it's [00:17:54] partly that. Don't forget, Mr. Carlson, [00:17:57] these people are at rock bottom in [00:18:00] public opinion approval rates. Kier [00:18:03] Starmer's currently at 10%. [00:18:06] 10% [00:18:08] only 19% of the people actually voted [00:18:11] for him a year ago and a bit ago uh in [00:18:14] the general election but now it's down [00:18:16] to 10. Macron is at 11, Merz is at 18. [00:18:22] Uh they couldn't muster a majority if [00:18:24] you put them all together. And so what [00:18:28] choice do they have? It's continue to [00:18:32] reinforce failure, to continue to throw [00:18:35] good money after bad, uh to continue [00:18:40] digging even though they know they're in [00:18:42] a hole. So, I don't know what choice [00:18:45] they really have. The question is bigger [00:18:48] question for me is why are the media as [00:18:52] they still describe themselves not [00:18:54] holding to account you mentioned that [00:18:57] you first knew me and and didn't like me [00:19:00] because of my stand on the Iraq war. I [00:19:03] was on the BBC every single day in the [00:19:07] runup to the Iraq war right throughout [00:19:09] the war and for many uh months after [00:19:12] virtually every single day. I haven't [00:19:15] been on the BBC for 10 years. The the [00:19:19] mass media, as they still call [00:19:21] themselves, the the real mass media is [00:19:24] you and exponentially less me. But the [00:19:28] people who call themselves the mass [00:19:30] media have entirely given up any role [00:19:33] that they might have had to hold to [00:19:36] account the political leaders for making [00:19:39] decisions that are manifestally not [00:19:42] working. an American leader uh said just [00:19:45] yesterday, forgive me, I didn't know [00:19:48] him, forgotten his name. He said about [00:19:50] the European Union's 19 sanctions [00:19:53] packages against Russia. He said, "Well, [00:19:57] if you've tried something 19 times, [00:20:00] you've got to admit you've failed [00:20:02] already." And yet, they are currently [00:20:04] planning a 20th round of sanctions [00:20:08] against Russia. And I didn't properly [00:20:10] answer a point you made earlier. These [00:20:13] societies of one of which my own are not [00:20:17] just economically failing. They are [00:20:19] culturally and socially disintegrating. 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Uh we in Britain have now a [00:22:54] 42% [00:22:56] abortion rate. Almost every other baby [00:23:01] is aborted [00:23:02] and we're shuffling off granny. We have [00:23:06] we have a demographic nightmare. The and [00:23:10] pornography everywhere. Uh gambling [00:23:14] everywhere. Everybody is sponsored by [00:23:17] one gambling. You know, I'm so old. My [00:23:21] father used to have to slip a piece of [00:23:24] paper on a street corner to a bookie's [00:23:27] runner to put a bet bet on a horse race [00:23:31] and the runner had to literally run in [00:23:34] case the police saw him to a Britain [00:23:37] where gambling online offline in every [00:23:41] high street is practically the only [00:23:43] economy we've got. How's that for a sick [00:23:46] society? I just wonder I mean I just I [00:23:50] just have to pause and say everything [00:23:51] it's it's just so amazing to hear you [00:23:53] say what you've just said. I don't I've [00:23:56] never heard a British politician talk [00:23:57] about any of those things and those are [00:24:00] meaningful to me as someone who thinks [00:24:02] that human beings have souls and human [00:24:05] dignity is that's the project we're [00:24:07] engaged in. You know, how do we improve [00:24:08] people's lives and make them more fully [00:24:11] human, not extinguish those lives? [00:24:13] You're the only British politician I've [00:24:15] ever heard say anything like that ever [00:24:17] in 50 years of watching this country [00:24:19] pretty carefully. Why? Why is that? Why [00:24:22] are those issues never addressed? [00:24:24] >> Well, we haven't just lost faith in this [00:24:27] country. We deride uh faith. We we mock [00:24:32] it. Uh we we even criminalizing. We've [00:24:36] had people arrested for praying the [00:24:39] rosary outside of abortion clinics in [00:24:43] Britain. Uh people like me who believe [00:24:46] in God are regarded as freaks by the [00:24:50] liberal establishment, the liberal [00:24:53] prevailing orthodoxy. And as Dr. Johnson [00:24:56] said, the the the prevailing orthodoxy [00:25:00] is the grimst dictatorship of them all. [00:25:04] And indeed it is. And anyone outside [00:25:07] that prevailing orthodoxy is called a [00:25:11] freak, called a phobe, called anist, and [00:25:14] banished uh and silenced. If it wasn't [00:25:17] for social media, nobody would have [00:25:19] heard me for 10 years. I would not have [00:25:24] been on at the mass media. By the way, [00:25:26] in that 10 years, I've been elected and [00:25:30] reelected to parliament. But they still [00:25:33] would not have heard me. Social media [00:25:36] has made me given me uh an audience [00:25:41] sometimes of double figures millions per [00:25:44] week. One one week 13.5 million in one [00:25:48] week. Uh again nothing like your numbers [00:25:51] but in British terms massive numbers far [00:25:54] more than any BBC program or Sky News. [00:25:58] But I have to do it all. my wife and I, [00:26:00] a mom and pop uh uh podcast broadcast. [00:26:04] And look where it got me. When my [00:26:07] numbers grew uh so alarmingly that the [00:26:11] state realized that actually not only [00:26:14] was I continuing to speak, I was [00:26:17] reaching more and more people. They send [00:26:20] the police to Gatwick airport to not [00:26:23] arrest but detain me uh and seize my all [00:26:27] my material. Uh that's a measure I think [00:26:32] of how dangerous the independent man or [00:26:37] woman is. Look at the two greatest [00:26:40] broadcasters in the world today are you [00:26:43] and Candace Owens. What's the main thing [00:26:47] you have in common that the audience [00:26:50] believes you to be independent people, [00:26:53] honest people who may be right, may be [00:26:56] wrong, but whom you can count on to be [00:27:00] telling you what they genuinely believe [00:27:03] to be the truth. That's worth its weight [00:27:06] in gold. But it's also a sword pointed [00:27:11] at the hearts of the liars, the [00:27:13] deceivers, the people who count on the [00:27:17] ignorance of the mass of the public and [00:27:21] to be a threat to them uh is very heaven [00:27:26] as Wsworth would say. [00:27:27] >> How does this resolve? I my [00:27:30] understanding is your current prime [00:27:31] minister has a number of years I mean [00:27:34] it's years to go in his term. There [00:27:36] won't be an election until then. The [00:27:38] country is changing at very high speed. [00:27:42] War looms, economy teetering. [00:27:46] The demographic change is very difficult [00:27:49] for people to metabolize. [00:27:52] I mean, how is this fixed? [00:27:54] >> It's a very real and difficult question. [00:27:57] Uh Kier Starmer is here today, gone [00:28:00] tomorrow. Uh I I predict to you that he [00:28:03] will not be uh the prime minister the [00:28:06] next time we speak unless it's very very [00:28:09] soon. Uh he may be gone by Christmas. [00:28:11] He'll definitely be gone by May when [00:28:14] Labour's local election disaster [00:28:17] avalanche defeat uh is certain now. Uh [00:28:21] if you do as I do and read the runes of [00:28:25] the the uh local government bi-elections [00:28:28] every Thursday, it's regular as [00:28:31] clockwork. Uh the Labor Party vote falls [00:28:34] somewhere between 20 and 50% in each of [00:28:38] these contests. So in the local council [00:28:41] elections, there will be such a [00:28:44] slaughter of labor counselors that he [00:28:47] will be unseated. The problem is uh in [00:28:50] this existential hour uh there's no [00:28:54] Churchill in this picture. Uh there's no [00:28:58] labor uh figure who's any better than [00:29:02] Starmmer, any more popular than Starmmer [00:29:05] with policies any more palatable than [00:29:07] Star. But he will be unseated and he'll [00:29:11] be replaced with uh with another Tony [00:29:14] Blair uh clone. And I could tell you his [00:29:18] name if you want it. His name is Wesley [00:29:21] Streeting. Uh, and you won't be [00:29:23] impressed when you read about him. You [00:29:25] won't be impressed when you see him. But [00:29:27] he's virtually certain to be the next uh [00:29:30] Labor leader, and that will not improve [00:29:33] Labour's fortunes. So Britain uh has the [00:29:37] task of holding on and surviving uh in [00:29:41] time for the next uh general election [00:29:43] which as you rightly say is more than 3 [00:29:46] and 1/2 years uh from now. Uh so we [00:29:50] we're in in big trouble. We haven't been [00:29:52] in trouble like this uh since the uh [00:29:56] autumn uh of uh of 1940 stretching into [00:30:01] the summer of 1941. And as I say, there [00:30:05] is no Churchill on the horizon. [00:30:06] >> I I I watched what happened to Jeremy [00:30:09] Corbin. I was never a Labor voter or [00:30:11] sympathizer really, but I was struck by [00:30:14] and I'm not a, you know, a friend of [00:30:16] Corbin's or anything, and it's not my [00:30:17] job to defend him. However, I noticed [00:30:20] the unfairness, just the sort of [00:30:22] transparent unfairness of the attacks [00:30:24] against him, and that piqued my [00:30:25] interest. Why are they calling this man [00:30:27] names that clearly aren't true? And it [00:30:29] seemed obvious again from across the [00:30:31] ocean just watching that this was [00:30:34] the kind of last step in converting what [00:30:37] what was a workers party a labor party [00:30:39] into a neoliberal banking party with the [00:30:42] foreign policy and social policy to [00:30:44] match that. That was my read of what [00:30:46] happened. Is there any chance that you [00:30:49] could return from exile and take it over [00:30:51] and return it to what it was a pro [00:30:52] Britain party? [00:30:53] >> I don't think the Labor Party can be [00:30:56] saved. Uh that's why I lead what we call [00:30:59] uh the workers party of Britain. We got [00:31:02] 212,000 votes in 150 constituencies. So [00:31:06] if you gross that up uh we had would [00:31:09] have had a million votes. We didn't uh [00:31:11] win any seats but we came second in [00:31:15] several all of which were currently [00:31:17] predicted by the opinion polls to [00:31:19] capture. Uh so you you can't rule out [00:31:22] new developments and Mr. Corbin himself [00:31:25] uh is next weekend forming uh another [00:31:29] party though it's beset by by wokeness [00:31:33] and division and uh ultralleftism, left [00:31:37] extremism. Uh he he's already having [00:31:40] trouble staying uh at the helm of that [00:31:44] new party and it isn't even founded yet. [00:31:46] But the there's the Greens who are the [00:31:48] ultimate in greenery, quackery, and [00:31:51] walkery. uh but they're they're doing [00:31:54] quite well. So I think the next election [00:31:57] if Britain survives uh will be uh a [00:32:00] parliament a bulcanized parliament the [00:32:03] nationalists separatists will have [00:32:05] another go uh and this time they may [00:32:08] very well succeed. uh the Greens uh [00:32:12] socialist uh parties like mine and [00:32:14] others. Uh but the main winner will be [00:32:18] will be reform. Uh Nigel Farage is [00:32:21] currently on track for an absolute [00:32:24] majority in the next parliament. But I'm [00:32:28] I'm sorry to tell you, you probably like [00:32:30] him more than I do. and I worked hard [00:32:33] with him in the in the Brexit campaign, [00:32:37] so I know him up close and personal. He [00:32:40] isn't the answer either. Uh he is he has [00:32:44] a shallow uh political outlook which [00:32:47] depends entirely on the race question [00:32:51] and the race question in Britain uh can [00:32:54] never really go anywhere. First of all, [00:32:57] the the ethnic minorities in our country [00:33:01] are very very much smaller uh than they [00:33:04] are in yours. And in any case, white [00:33:07] people will soon be an ethnic minority [00:33:09] in your country. Uh that's not the case [00:33:12] in Britain. Britain is an 88% [00:33:15] white country and that's not going to [00:33:18] materially change. So if you uh if you [00:33:22] try to frighten people uh into believing [00:33:25] that Britain's problems are the fault of [00:33:27] Abdul who owns the local shop on the [00:33:30] corner uh or or or the fellow who you [00:33:34] buy a piping hot curry from on a [00:33:37] Saturday night in the high street, [00:33:39] you're really not going to be able to [00:33:41] solve the problems because if if you [00:33:46] remigrated is the new vogue word. If you [00:33:49] remigrated every person of color in [00:33:52] Britain, well, first of all, the English [00:33:54] football team would crash out at the [00:33:56] first round of the World Cup in the [00:33:59] United States next year. Uh, but the [00:34:02] economy would collapse. The health [00:34:04] service would collapse. It's uh very [00:34:07] heavily staffed uh by people who you [00:34:10] count on to save your father's life when [00:34:13] he gets carted in with angina on on a on [00:34:16] a gurnie. Uh so it'll never succeed and [00:34:21] if that's your only club in your golf [00:34:24] bag then you are merely setting yourself [00:34:27] up to fail and all of the other [00:34:31] prescriptions that Nigel Farage has are [00:34:34] all tired clapped out uh thatcher [00:34:37] thatcherite solutions which weren't [00:34:40] solutions then and they definitely ain't [00:34:42] now. So in short, I'm saying we are in [00:34:46] deep trouble, Tucker. We are a country [00:34:50] in deep trouble and there's only one [00:34:52] consolation that all of our European [00:34:55] neighbors are in the same trouble. [00:34:57] >> Since you brought up the uncomfortable [00:34:59] race question, I I just something that I [00:35:01] have noticed. This is different from the [00:35:02] United States in some ways. And I've [00:35:05] noticed that on the issues that you [00:35:07] described, including mass migration, by [00:35:10] the way, but particularly on questions [00:35:13] of birth rate and the value of life, [00:35:17] foreign wars, foreign entanglements [00:35:21] that a lot of the people from an [00:35:24] American perspective we assume would be [00:35:26] a, you know, sort of not on the same [00:35:28] side as you are and that the most kind [00:35:32] of hysterical [00:35:34] pro-death forces in your country. And I [00:35:37] hate to say this cuz I am Anglo White, [00:35:41] but they're liberal Anglo whites. Is [00:35:42] that fair to say? [00:35:44] >> It is. Uh in the last parliament, uh one [00:35:47] of my last acts in the last parliament [00:35:50] uh was to uh go on a parliamentary visit [00:35:54] for an audience with the late Pope [00:35:56] Francis. Uh, and I was the only [00:36:00] socialist person that was there. All the [00:36:04] other people that were there were not [00:36:06] just conservatives, but they were well [00:36:09] pretty far out conservatives for the [00:36:12] most part. And it got me thinking that [00:36:16] uh such is the parless state uh of [00:36:22] demoralization [00:36:24] of my side of the political argument [00:36:28] that there is nobody I could think of on [00:36:31] the left in Britain that would have [00:36:34] joined me uh for that audience with the [00:36:37] pope. uh despite all of the very fine [00:36:40] things that that pope in particular [00:36:43] represented, they would not have been [00:36:45] seen, if you'll forgive the pun, dead [00:36:48] with the pope. And when I, as I do every [00:36:53] hour, uh retweet the right to life uh um [00:36:57] uh propaganda about the suicide bill, [00:37:02] about the [00:37:04] >> disastrous abortion rates and so on. I I [00:37:08] realize that the traction I have is [00:37:11] largely amongst people who would [00:37:13] describe themselves as conservative or [00:37:16] or right-wing. But there's one saving [00:37:19] grace and it's one of the reasons why [00:37:20] I'm still an electable politician. [00:37:24] The only practically the only people in [00:37:27] Britain who as a block can be counted on [00:37:30] on these moral questions are the black [00:37:34] and other ethnic minority populations. I [00:37:37] mean people rubbish the the Muslims for [00:37:41] example routinely in Britain but the [00:37:44] only people you could reliably say who [00:37:47] will be pro- family who will be pro- [00:37:50] marriage who will be anti-abortion who [00:37:53] will be anti- state suicide yes [00:37:57] >> are that very community [00:37:59] >> and of course because I have all my life [00:38:03] trumpeted these views uh then apart from [00:38:07] issues like Gaza and so on. I have a [00:38:10] very big following in those communities [00:38:12] and not just Muslim uh black Christians [00:38:15] for example particularly in the London [00:38:17] area. There's a hu I mean there are [00:38:20] happy clappy churches in every part of [00:38:23] London that are filled to their gunnels [00:38:26] uh with with black African Christians [00:38:30] and they feel exactly the same way as I [00:38:33] do on these issues of life and death on [00:38:37] these issues of morality. So uh these uh [00:38:42] are a saving grace. There are many other [00:38:45] reasons to be grateful for the presence [00:38:47] of these people in the country, but [00:38:49] that's quite a big one. [00:38:50] >> Amazing. I hope that if you ever leave [00:38:52] exile, and I hope it's sooner rather [00:38:53] than later, you will come to the United [00:38:54] States and stay in my house. You are [00:38:56] always you are always welcome. George [00:38:58] Galloway, who I've admired. 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