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[00:00:00] I'm really excited about Cryogenics. I [00:00:02] invested in this company Cradle and the [00:00:04] idea that they can freeze you unfreeze [00:00:06] and you'll be the same person. [00:00:08] >> Wait, what? [00:00:09] >> The ultimate goal of this company to be [00:00:10] able to freeze you and unfreeze as the [00:00:12] same person completely. Both your hand [00:00:15] and your body everything [00:00:16] >> and and you get thought out at what a [00:00:18] different period in time. [00:00:20] >> Yeah. You just then freeze you and you [00:00:21] function. That's the goal. [00:00:22] >> What company is that? [00:00:23] >> It's called Cradle. [00:00:25] What are some other sectors that you're [00:00:28] really excited about in tech? [00:00:29] >> I'm really excited about cryogenics. I [00:00:32] invest in this company Cradle and the [00:00:34] idea that they can freeze you unfreeze [00:00:37] and you'll be the same person. [00:00:39] >> Wait, what? It's called they can the [00:00:43] ultimate goal of this company to be able [00:00:45] to freeze you and unfreeze as the same [00:00:47] person completely both your hand and [00:00:49] your body everything [00:00:51] >> and and you get thought out at what a [00:00:54] different period in time [00:00:55] >> you just yeah you just then freeze you [00:00:58] and you function that's a goal [00:01:00] >> what company is that [00:01:01] >> it's called Cradle [00:01:02] >> Cradle [00:01:03] >> where are they San Francisco [00:01:06] >> that sounds fascinating [00:01:08] >> it's exciting and it's seems very [00:01:11] futuristic [00:01:12] but it sounds futuristic um rather [00:01:16] because of the biased in society more [00:01:21] than scientific constraints. [00:01:24] So basically uh it's the same technology [00:01:27] as egg freezing and it become it's [00:01:31] becoming possible because now we can [00:01:33] unfreeze [00:01:35] uh very fast freeze and unfreeze very [00:01:38] fast [00:01:39] and um as you working on this final [00:01:42] goal, you could also learn how to freeze [00:01:46] and unfreeze different human organs. And [00:01:48] it's not a secret right now. uh there is [00:01:51] a big shortage of access to donor [00:01:54] organs. Only dozens of thousands of [00:01:58] people [00:01:59] um in US get access to donor organs. It [00:02:03] could be millions, right? And one of [00:02:05] constraint is that we can't just [00:02:07] preserve them well enough to transport [00:02:09] fast enough. So lots of lives could be [00:02:12] saved even before we reached the final [00:02:14] destination which is cryogenics. [00:02:16] >> Wow, that's fascinating. particular team [00:02:19] achieved lots of progress and like for [00:02:21] two years they worked on freezing and [00:02:23] freezing brain of red and freezing and [00:02:26] freezing brain is like complicated so [00:02:28] they froze and froze brain of red and [00:02:30] the big breakthrough was when they froze [00:02:32] red's brain and neurons keep talking to [00:02:34] each other and from there to having done [00:02:38] the same thing for humans like it's [00:02:40] fairly close right so that's been like a [00:02:42] big big step on the way to final goal [00:02:49] Hey, what's up? This is a short glimpse [00:02:53] of what my conversation was like with [00:02:55] Masha [00:02:57] Epstein's [00:02:58] publicist. [00:03:00] Anyways, if you want to see the rest of [00:03:03] it, it's over on Vigilance Elite [00:03:05] Patreon. I'll see you over there. [00:03:07] Cheers. [00:03:11] I mean, so would you say the focus I'm [00:03:13] just curious would you say the focus is [00:03:16] to freeze or donor organs for, you know, [00:03:19] to help humanity or is it more towards [00:03:22] freezing? focus is I think um the focus [00:03:25] is it's like ultimate longevity play [00:03:30] and um I think for cryogenics [00:03:33] specifically and one of motivations of [00:03:36] the team imagine like if a young person [00:03:39] dying for particular disease and [00:03:41] treatment is not yet ready or not yet in [00:03:45] the market. There are lots of disease [00:03:47] when the treatment is on the way um and [00:03:52] uh someone like um ill and they supposed [00:03:55] to die but the treatment for them is [00:03:58] being prepared right and [00:04:01] >> like we know the timeline is say 5 years [00:04:04] 7 years right so you could take like [00:04:07] this young patients with particular [00:04:09] disease and just freeze them and [00:04:10] unfreeze by the time when this treatment [00:04:12] is ready [00:04:13] >> who would determine And [00:04:15] who would determine when that person [00:04:17] gets unfrozen? [00:04:19] >> Well, there are like lots of questions [00:04:21] around it and I don't think we get there [00:04:24] to discuss details of it. I think it [00:04:27] would probably be patient, right? Who [00:04:30] making decision to be frozen and then uh [00:04:33] the timeline? [00:04:35] >> Yeah, I see. [00:04:36] >> But it's like a second layer of question [00:04:38] when it comes to how exactly we're going [00:04:40] to do this. [00:04:41] >> Would you freeze yourself? [00:04:42] >> Oh, for sure. Yeah, [00:04:43] >> you would. [00:04:44] >> I literally proactively told that they [00:04:46] can sign me up if if that's a if that's [00:04:50] a requirement. I mean, not like now, [00:04:52] right? I'm fine. But when it comes to [00:04:56] it, [00:04:58] I definitely think it's like um if it [00:05:01] helps science and humanity, even if it's [00:05:03] experimental, even there is a risk of [00:05:05] being unfrozen [00:05:07] and being like different person, I would [00:05:10] still do it. [00:05:11] >> Wow. [00:05:12] I couldn't. [00:05:14] >> No, [00:05:15] >> never. [00:05:16] >> No. I mean, if I let's say, okay, let's [00:05:18] say, [00:05:21] heaven forbid this happen. Let's say I [00:05:23] get a disease and there's no cure for [00:05:25] it. [00:05:27] I mean, if you freeze yourself, what if [00:05:29] what if you freeze yourself for [00:05:32] 50 years [00:05:33] >> or 100red years, everything [00:05:37] that you knew would be different. your [00:05:40] family would be gone. Values will have [00:05:42] probably changed. Technology will be who [00:05:46] knows what by that time. And and so you [00:05:48] would wake up in a world that is [00:05:50] completely different than the one that [00:05:52] you left. [00:05:57] >> I would be so curious to see a new world [00:06:00] >> than I am. The question for me is like [00:06:03] which I didn't have before we started [00:06:05] you and I started speaking about it is [00:06:07] like if you were to believe in soul [00:06:10] right you froze you have the same body [00:06:13] you have the same mind what if it's a [00:06:14] different soul [00:06:16] how would you start building this [00:06:18] connection [00:06:20] >> I have no idea what that would look like [00:06:22] >> or maybe it would be the same because [00:06:24] the way I think there is [00:06:27] not that I'm believing in it but I like [00:06:29] playing with ideas that imagine like [00:06:31] your soul is like software and this is [00:06:34] like hardware. [00:06:36] It's like an iPhone, right? And you [00:06:39] could just install your operating [00:06:41] system. [00:06:43] >> That's an interesting concept as well. [00:06:46] >> But it could be that it might work like [00:06:49] this. [00:06:49] >> Mhm. [00:06:50] >> We don't know. I don't think we would [00:06:52] ever know for sure, but [00:06:54] >> Mhm. Wow. [00:06:56] Wow. Anything else you're interested in [00:06:59] that you're excited about? Yeah, I'm [00:07:02] thinking about birth rates [00:07:05] and I actually was thinking about it [00:07:07] today [00:07:09] and um I think states and governments [00:07:13] very stuck into solving it. I think [00:07:16] taxes or economic measures or [00:07:19] constraints um law doesn't change it but [00:07:23] it's obvious issue. I think when someone [00:07:27] like Elon speak about this problem which [00:07:30] is obviously serious problem and I think [00:07:31] every smart person in the world realize [00:07:34] it I'm wondering like why Elon not [00:07:36] focused on solving this problem only [00:07:40] right um I do think that birth rates [00:07:43] issue and decline population issue would [00:07:45] start being solved by [00:07:47] businesses versus governments [00:07:50] because I think uh businesses and [00:07:53] companies and startups will be better in [00:07:56] coming up with unexpected ways to solve [00:08:00] it. [00:08:04] Um really interesting thinking about it. [00:08:06] But as a part to that small stepping [00:08:09] stone would be to change [00:08:12] um and improve some technologies that's [00:08:15] related to reproduction. I'm lucky to be [00:08:17] early investor in company Orchid which [00:08:20] is embryo selection company. So you [00:08:22] could see 99% of genome of your embryo [00:08:26] and you could see what kind of chronic [00:08:28] disease your kids would inherit and you [00:08:32] can select towards embryos that's going [00:08:34] to be healthiest humans. I think um one [00:08:39] of the ways affecting birth rates will [00:08:41] be decreasing [00:08:43] cost of um services that allow people [00:08:47] who want to have kids to have kids. For [00:08:49] example, there is a growth rate of IVF. [00:08:52] Um, and IVF is still very unaccessible [00:08:55] and very expensive. [00:08:57] >> And years ago, back company, Future [00:08:59] Families that um is financial um [00:09:02] financial tool to so you could buy VF on [00:09:06] kind of subscription basis and you could [00:09:08] have it refinanced so it becomes [00:09:09] accessible to broader set of families. [00:09:11] So at least people who actually want to [00:09:13] have kids have kids, right? But I think [00:09:15] on top of it creating reproduction [00:09:18] technology like such as ember selection [00:09:21] uh like company orchid would be very [00:09:23] important. I think some of the plays [00:09:25] that I haven't backed yet. I think [00:09:27] creating artificial womb it's like [00:09:29] another stepping stone because lots of [00:09:31] people would want to have children later [00:09:34] in life. Lots of women would want to [00:09:37] have children but they cannot have [00:09:38] children. I do think ultimately and [00:09:41] long-term artificial womb feels like [00:09:44] better solutions than surrogacy. I think [00:09:47] it's one of technologies which is 10 15 [00:09:50] years away similar as BCI. [00:09:53] uh but I think it's ultimately important [00:09:55] for humanity right because if you start [00:09:57] thinking about how to fix birth rates I [00:10:00] think first gap would be to make sure [00:10:02] that everyone who wants to have kids can [00:10:04] have kids disregards of their health [00:10:06] conditions right and one and then second [00:10:09] disregards of their economic status [00:10:12] right so it's actually accessible for [00:10:14] them and that would be like one big step [00:10:17] towards increasing population [00:10:20] >> wow [00:10:22] I mean We at breakfast we were talking [00:10:24] about how tech has I can't remember how [00:10:27] you worded it, tech is not is not [00:10:29] integrating in with culture the way it [00:10:31] should [00:10:32] >> and you I know you have a lot of [00:10:34] thoughts on that. So [00:10:35] >> um I think um the more I work with um [00:10:40] very important technologies that feels [00:10:42] um the more I work with companies like [00:10:45] world uh or orchid that I just mentioned [00:10:48] or companies rain or valor the more I [00:10:51] understand that the biggest bottleneck [00:10:53] for this very important technologies to [00:10:55] develop and grow would be that society [00:10:58] doesn't understand well what these [00:11:00] companies are doing and very often [00:11:02] doesn't like them and I see our mission [00:11:06] and goal is uh helping people like and [00:11:09] understand what these companies are [00:11:11] building and um I think we build an [00:11:16] institution that work with media and [00:11:19] through logic and rational help people [00:11:22] understand what these companies are [00:11:24] working on but I don't think it's enough [00:11:26] and I don't think it's fast enough so I [00:11:28] started looking for other ways and [00:11:31] solutions and pathways how can speed up [00:11:34] mass adoption of these technologies like [00:11:37] weather modification, nuclear [00:11:40] uh crypto genome sequencing and I [00:11:42] realized that there is a very important [00:11:46] connective tissue between society and [00:11:47] technologies that can come and play [00:11:49] which is culture and um I started [00:11:52] looking back in history and read a lot [00:11:54] about Steve Jobs working with Keith [00:11:57] Herring, Yokoon or John Lennon uh when [00:12:00] he just created the computer and um him [00:12:04] involving them in the development of the [00:12:06] product and using uh them to come up [00:12:10] with new ways using the products he [00:12:12] created. Then I would look back and um I [00:12:16] would look back into Bell Labs and Bell [00:12:20] Labs had um art residences, right? So [00:12:24] you can like or then you look back [00:12:25] centuries ago into the renaissance time [00:12:28] when artists and technologist being [00:12:31] either same people or they would just [00:12:33] literally work in the same physical [00:12:34] spaces. Right? So and every time when [00:12:38] human when artists and technologist work [00:12:40] closely with each other and collaborate [00:12:43] it help humanity to move on the new [00:12:47] level in the in our development. So I do [00:12:50] think uh it's a very interesting [00:12:52] unexplored way to facilitate mass [00:12:55] adoption of most important technologies [00:12:57] in the world by connecting technologists [00:12:59] with scientists [00:13:00] >> and you're doing that. [00:13:01] >> We've done some of this. I think we do [00:13:03] it we experimenting. I have like a [00:13:06] glimpse of game plan. I don't have fully [00:13:09] developed game plan but we started with [00:13:12] creating this exhibit with open air. [00:13:15] When open air launched Delhi, we created [00:13:18] a exhibition called artificial [00:13:19] imagination when we took Delhi created [00:13:22] art and brought it in a gallery space to [00:13:24] legitimize it and had more than 400 [00:13:27] people on the opening and lots of [00:13:29] different uh important tech people and [00:13:31] artists. Then we did a few more drops [00:13:36] over the last year. We hosted um art [00:13:39] exhibit in Alagunda [00:13:42] and we wanted to bring artists who are [00:13:44] curious about what's being created in [00:13:46] Asagundo and um get inspired, study the [00:13:50] projects and potentially start creating [00:13:53] something alongside this technologies. [00:13:55] We also created this u really [00:13:58] interesting experience for space uh tech [00:14:02] founders and artists that's inspired by [00:14:04] space where we did a new recording uh [00:14:07] inspired by it was Sonic Voyer and [00:14:10] Golden Record and we decided to recreate [00:14:13] this decade decades after we um created [00:14:18] new recording with Sonlax and it's going [00:14:20] to space with Astro Forge in a few [00:14:23] months and we brought together top space [00:14:27] founders, [00:14:29] founders like Astroforge or another [00:14:30] company Starass and our portfolio that [00:14:33] they created equipment to produce fuel [00:14:35] on Mars and Moon. We had founders of VA [00:14:38] and bunch of people from Blue Origin, [00:14:41] SpaceX on this event alongside with [00:14:44] artists that looking for new ideas and [00:14:47] new inspiration and want to do something [00:14:50] that's related to the future. 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