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[00:00:12] >> Hello everyone, welcome back to the
[00:00:14] Price is My Life
[00:00:17] Live from West Palm Beach, Florida. And
[00:00:19] today we are going to talk about Charlie
[00:00:22] Kirk. We're going to have a live call-in
[00:00:25] show today. We apologize for the delay.
[00:00:28] and we are going to speak to some
[00:00:30] special guest Collins. We're going to be
[00:00:32] talking about my relationship with
[00:00:33] Charlie Kirk. We're going to be talking
[00:00:35] about whistleblowers and their reaction
[00:00:38] to Charlie Kirk's death. And we're going
[00:00:40] to get to all of you. We have a call-in
[00:00:43] live number on the bottom of the screen
[00:00:45] here. 8647139868.
[00:00:49] That's 8647139868.
[00:00:52] It's been a very rough week, a very sad
[00:00:55] week. Um, and it's affecting everybody,
[00:01:00] but we're going to try to get through
[00:01:01] this in honor of Charlie. And we are
[00:01:03] headed to the funeral in in Arizona this
[00:01:06] weekend. And we're going to be
[00:01:07] conducting a training for college
[00:01:09] students and people exposing their
[00:01:11] schools on Monday in Arizona. We'll talk
[00:01:13] about that as well. But first, I think
[00:01:15] we may have some people in the queue
[00:01:17] team if you want to queue me up and hear
[00:01:21] from them and and talk to them live on
[00:01:24] the air.
[00:01:29] Roger, are you there?
[00:01:32] >> James, great to be with you.
[00:01:33] >> Roger. Thank you so much and thank you
[00:01:35] for your patience. Um, you're live on
[00:01:38] the air in front of our audience. If you
[00:01:39] want to talk to me about your reaction
[00:01:41] to every this a week later,
[00:01:45] >> it's been a very, very difficult week.
[00:01:47] Um, Charlie Kirk and I didn't know each
[00:01:50] other until the FBI raided my home at
[00:01:53] 6:00 in the morning. And as you know, 29
[00:01:56] heavily armed FBI agents in full SWAT
[00:01:59] gear, brandishing fully automatic
[00:02:02] assault weapons surrounded, swarmed, and
[00:02:04] then uh assaulted my home to arrest me
[00:02:08] for the first time. nonviolent alleged
[00:02:11] crime of lying to Congress uh about
[00:02:14] Russian collusion never actually
[00:02:16] happened. And after that happened,
[00:02:19] Charlie Kirk reached out to me and said,
[00:02:22] "This is obviously a fraud. This is
[00:02:24] obviously a farce. What they did to you
[00:02:26] is a vicious assault on your civil
[00:02:29] liberties." Uh and it looked to me like
[00:02:31] a frame job. and he became a very public
[00:02:35] and private advocate for clemency in my
[00:02:38] case. He accurately predicted that I
[00:02:41] would be led to a Soviet style show
[00:02:44] trial in DC, that I could not would not
[00:02:47] get a fair trial, that it would all be
[00:02:49] rigged against me. Of course, that
[00:02:50] turned out to be exactly right. Uh and
[00:02:53] this was at a time, James, that many
[00:02:56] stupid Republicans were going around
[00:02:58] saying, "Oh, just let Robert Mueller do
[00:03:00] his job. Let him do his job." not
[00:03:02] recognizing that there was no probable
[00:03:06] cause to investigate the president of
[00:03:08] the United States or me for that matter
[00:03:11] for Russian collusion. So, uh he became
[00:03:15] a very good friend on that basis. He was
[00:03:18] totally open publicly about it. He
[00:03:21] publicly advocated for an unconditional
[00:03:23] partner. I know that he also weighed in
[00:03:25] privately with the president and his
[00:03:27] lawyers and his other adviserss on my
[00:03:30] behalf and for that I will always be
[00:03:32] eternally grateful. Um happy to say that
[00:03:35] I spoke along with you many other great
[00:03:38] patriots at most of his larger
[00:03:40] conferences. Uh I have no doubt
[00:03:43] whatsoever and I we talked about this
[00:03:45] privately Charlie and I uh he was
[00:03:47] thinking about running ultimately for
[00:03:49] governor of Arizona. Uh he was
[00:03:52] ambitious. We we did think that someday
[00:03:54] he might run for president. Frankly, I
[00:03:56] think
[00:03:58] that he had the faith uh and the
[00:04:00] discipline uh and the principles uh and
[00:04:04] the drive to become president. He would
[00:04:06] have become president. Uh I don't know
[00:04:09] anybody who was as widely respected uh
[00:04:13] and admired uh because he went right
[00:04:16] into the belly of the beast. He went
[00:04:18] right into the campuses uh and he he
[00:04:21] preached not only just reverence to God
[00:04:23] which is I think the most important
[00:04:25] thing but he fused that with his
[00:04:29] advocacy for the US Constitution for
[00:04:33] capitalism for free enterprise above all
[00:04:36] for free speech therefore were Charlie
[00:04:39] with us today he would not support those
[00:04:42] who say okay now that we're in in a
[00:04:45] position of power we need to censor
[00:04:47] others. Uh, unfortunately, the first or
[00:04:51] perhaps fortunately, the first amendment
[00:04:53] specifically
[00:04:55] is designed to protect speech that is
[00:04:58] repugnant, that is outrageous, that is
[00:05:01] offensive. That is the whole point, of
[00:05:03] course.
[00:05:04] >> Um, Roger, you spoke at the recent uh
[00:05:07] Turning Point event in the summer in
[00:05:10] Tampa. Um, and what what is your
[00:05:13] reaction to all the the latest news
[00:05:14] recently with some of the rumors of his
[00:05:16] the circumstances of his death and
[00:05:18] everything surrounding that? Have you
[00:05:20] seen online?
[00:05:22] >> Uh, I mean, some of it I know firsthand.
[00:05:25] I do know that he was under pressure
[00:05:28] regarding his stance on the war in Iran.
[00:05:31] I mean, we come from that same
[00:05:34] Ron Paul libertarian
[00:05:38] uh non-interventionist
[00:05:40] wing of the party. We're not
[00:05:41] isolationists.
[00:05:43] We're not we're realists, but we are
[00:05:45] non-interventionists. And therefore, in
[00:05:47] the end, I think the president actually
[00:05:49] made the right decision. But I I know
[00:05:51] there were others who were for a, you
[00:05:53] know, a broader land-based war in Iran,
[00:05:56] which Charlie was not for. Um, I do know
[00:06:00] that he fell under pressure from some of
[00:06:02] his donors and uh and so on. Um, that
[00:06:05] does that mean that this is outrageous.
[00:06:08] Does that mean he was killed by the
[00:06:09] Israelis? No, it doesn't mean that at
[00:06:11] all and that's not what I'm saying and
[00:06:13] that's not what I'm implying. But I do
[00:06:15] think that there were cross pressures on
[00:06:17] him. Here's what I do think. Having
[00:06:19] written a book on the assassination of
[00:06:22] John F. identity that became a New York
[00:06:24] Times bestseller, having just finished a
[00:06:27] book which will be out before the end of
[00:06:28] the year on the attempted assassination
[00:06:31] of Ronald Reagan, having studied very
[00:06:34] closely and in great detail the
[00:06:37] assassinations of Senator Robert Kennedy
[00:06:39] and Dr. Martin Luther King and examining
[00:06:43] the two attempted assassinations on
[00:06:45] Donald Trump. I've learned not to
[00:06:47] believe everything the government tells
[00:06:48] me. I've learned to believe almost
[00:06:50] nothing the government tells me. Uh and
[00:06:53] I still think that there are many fair,
[00:06:55] legitimate, unanswered questions about
[00:06:58] Charlie's death. So, I'm not prepared to
[00:07:00] rush to judgment and say that that Tyler
[00:07:04] Robinson is definitely the man that he
[00:07:06] acted alone. Uh it does appear if he is
[00:07:09] the killer and he might be uh that he
[00:07:12] may have been radicalized but that's
[00:07:14] understandable when you call people
[00:07:17] Nazis, fascists, white supremacists,
[00:07:22] uh Christian nationalists,
[00:07:24] uh bigots, uh and so on. And you censor
[00:07:29] people so they can't defend themselves
[00:07:31] against those claims. And you add into
[00:07:33] it the malicious use of artificial
[00:07:36] intelligence in which you create audios
[00:07:38] and videos of prominent people quote
[00:07:42] unquote saying things they never
[00:07:44] actually said. Uh it adds to a very
[00:07:47] poisonous atmosphere that I think gave
[00:07:50] us uh you know the this horrific tragic
[00:07:53] event. Still doesn't mean that I'm for
[00:07:55] censorship but I do think we have to
[00:07:58] police artificial speech. I I do think
[00:08:01] that you shouldn't be able to, you know,
[00:08:04] make a video or an audio of James
[00:08:07] O'Keefe saying things that he never
[00:08:09] actually said and put them out there in
[00:08:11] public and claim that they're real. I
[00:08:13] don't think you should be allowed to do
[00:08:14] that.
[00:08:14] >> Now, Roger, what's your reaction to
[00:08:16] Jimmy Kimmel getting cancelled from uh
[00:08:18] TV?
[00:08:20] >> Well, I'm I don't think he's I never
[00:08:23] thought he was all that funny. My guess
[00:08:25] is that the economics of it probably
[00:08:28] made sense and therefore the network
[00:08:32] canceled him because he was costing him
[00:08:33] money, wasn't making him money. Uh the
[00:08:36] idea that, you know, that the president
[00:08:38] ordered them to do it and they did what
[00:08:40] I think is pretty absurd. My guess is
[00:08:41] they were probably looking for an excuse
[00:08:44] to cancel him and they found it. Uh, the
[00:08:46] guy that I frankly find the most
[00:08:48] obnoxious quite candidly is Bill Maher.
[00:08:52] Only because I did his initial pilot for
[00:08:55] Politically Incorrect. Did it as a favor
[00:08:58] to a a friend of mine who was one of his
[00:09:01] producers, uh, one of his writers
[00:09:03] actually, uh, done his show several
[00:09:06] times. But the guy accused me in the
[00:09:09] final show I did with him of being a
[00:09:11] Russian intelligence asset. Then he
[00:09:13] later came to the same conclusion that
[00:09:16] everybody with half a brain did that
[00:09:18] there was no Russian collusion. Yet he
[00:09:21] would never invite me back to clear my
[00:09:23] name. Uh and I can just tell you having
[00:09:25] been on his show three times without a
[00:09:28] platoon of comedy writers, he isn't even
[00:09:30] faintly amusing. Uh he's not charming,
[00:09:33] he's charmless. Frankly, he's a stiff.
[00:09:36] Uh I wish they'd cancel him. Frankly,
[00:09:39] >> one of the things that Charlie did in
[00:09:40] Tampa or uh did to you regarding the FBI
[00:09:43] raid was that he called you behind the
[00:09:45] scenes and kind of supported you. One of
[00:09:48] the things I've seen is that he was
[00:09:50] masterful at at being a diplomat and
[00:09:53] being in the media and also operating
[00:09:57] behind the scenes as effective as he
[00:09:59] was. Is that like a once in a
[00:10:01] generational talent in your view?
[00:10:04] Just discretion, James, is a very rare
[00:10:07] quality. People who you know you can
[00:10:10] tell something to and that they will not
[00:10:12] will not go out and repeat it widely if
[00:10:14] you ask them not to. Charlie was a
[00:10:16] tremendously discreet guy. Uh only now
[00:10:20] that he is deceased am I willing to talk
[00:10:23] about the fact that yes, he aspired to
[00:10:25] someday be president. I think that's a
[00:10:27] great thing. I think that's a noble
[00:10:29] thing. Uh, I'm not sure I would have
[00:10:31] said that if he were still alive because
[00:10:33] it's not something you wanted me to
[00:10:34] discuss in public. So, there are very
[00:10:36] few people, you're among them, by the
[00:10:39] way, that I know I could share a secret
[00:10:41] with. Other than that, I generally
[00:10:43] believe that old saying, three people
[00:10:45] can keep a secret if two of them are
[00:10:47] dead.
[00:10:49] >> Well, thank you, Roger. I appreciate
[00:10:50] your your feedback and um and I hope to
[00:10:53] talk to you soon. Thank you,
[00:10:56] >> James. God bless you. Great to be with
[00:10:57] you as always. Thank you, Roger. That
[00:10:59] was Roger Stone. Um, uh, today on this
[00:11:02] show, we're going to be getting live
[00:11:05] call-ins from people in honor of Charlie
[00:11:07] Kirk. We're going to be exposing the
[00:11:09] professors and we're going to be
[00:11:11] exposing what's happening in the
[00:11:12] schools. And if we could go to before we
[00:11:14] go to the caller, please, if we could go
[00:11:16] to uh an image of me in turning point
[00:11:18] 2015.
[00:11:20] And uh before the pyrochnics
[00:11:24] and electric light DJ shows,
[00:11:29] before the ethos of the rock concert
[00:11:32] stadiums, Charlie Kirk had his yearly
[00:11:36] turning point in a holiday in. Put that
[00:11:37] full screen, please.
[00:11:39] This is uh this is me signing books for
[00:11:43] every single one of the students at this
[00:11:47] initial I guess it was before it was
[00:11:48] called Amfest. It was just a turning
[00:11:50] point conference. You saw the core
[00:11:52] values on the screen there. Empower
[00:11:54] initiate and this is me signing books. I
[00:11:56] was then uh you know 29 years old
[00:12:00] signing books for each student at this
[00:12:03] small humble event at the then Holiday
[00:12:07] and in West Palm Beach, Florida. And
[00:12:08] what's interesting about this is that
[00:12:10] there was one of the students that that
[00:12:12] that got the book went on to go work for
[00:12:15] a large company. She was a whistleblower
[00:12:16] for Fizer. Uh and I I always thought
[00:12:19] that Charlie was kind of a modern-day
[00:12:20] Johnny Apples Seed, planting seeds that
[00:12:24] would would sprout at a later time as uh
[00:12:28] as people grew up and and kind of spread
[00:12:31] throughout the country.
[00:12:33] If we could go to the other image of uh
[00:12:35] perhaps a recent video of Charlie and I.
[00:12:39] This or that was an image of Charlie.
[00:12:40] Roger Stone mentioned the FBI raid. This
[00:12:42] is shortly after my FBI raid and Charlie
[00:12:45] had me on for a for it must have been a
[00:12:47] full hour to talk about the raid and I
[00:12:52] told the story about what happened to
[00:12:53] me. And we went to Afest every year for
[00:12:56] 10 years. And before it was called
[00:12:58] Ampfest, it was at a holiday in and then
[00:13:01] and do we have video of that? Let's
[00:13:03] let's check it out. That video. This is
[00:13:06] going to be quite I think this is the
[00:13:08] Black Rockck video, guys. But we can
[00:13:09] play this one. I
[00:13:10] >> I hope you all appreciate this. 100 days
[00:13:13] ago,
[00:13:15] James O'Keefe was experiencing board
[00:13:17] fights and all that. Everyone knows the
[00:13:19] story. It's all out there. 100 days
[00:13:21] later, James O'Keefe is laying shots on
[00:13:23] target against a $10 trillion company.
[00:13:26] That's unbelievable
[00:13:28] to be able to get the reporters to get
[00:13:30] the story out there. I mean, this guy is
[00:13:32] is a magician.
[00:13:34] James, you are picking the biggest
[00:13:36] enemies. You could you could go lower.
[00:13:38] You could just kind of do a Federman
[00:13:40] thing here. That's important, but you're
[00:13:41] going after the institutions. James,
[00:13:43] what motivates you? And are you afraid?
[00:13:45] I choose not to be afraid. It's
[00:13:47] terrifying, Charlie. And I think you
[00:13:49] know what I mean. There's, you know, to
[00:13:52] quote the scene from Apocalypse Now,
[00:13:54] behind every
[00:13:56] behind inside every human heart there's
[00:13:58] a line that kind of separates good and
[00:14:00] evil and there's some evil and a lot of
[00:14:02] people even good people out there have a
[00:14:04] temptation to be evil so it's terrifying
[00:14:07] the world that we're living in however I
[00:14:10] don't really pick these
[00:14:11] >> well we don't need to make it about me I
[00:14:12] just wanted to see Charlie that was that
[00:14:14] was um regarding the black rock story
[00:14:17] and one of the things that Charlie
[00:14:19] said to me was um
[00:14:23] and forgive me if I get a little
[00:14:24] emotional here. This is this is a lot.
[00:14:27] This is overwhelming.
[00:14:30] But he did talk about
[00:14:33] uh the demons that we're fighting up
[00:14:35] we're up against and the evil that we're
[00:14:36] up against and the and the devil that
[00:14:38] we're up against and these powerful
[00:14:40] institutions. And he really was there
[00:14:42] for me when when stuff went down a
[00:14:44] couple years ago. He really was there
[00:14:46] for me behind the scenes. And he took
[00:14:48] time out of his schedule to do that. So,
[00:14:50] going back to the purpose that we're
[00:14:51] here today in this Price is My Life
[00:14:53] Show, the call-in show, 8647139868,
[00:14:57] is we want to hear from you, the
[00:14:58] audience, and we want to hear from some
[00:15:01] of the people with stories to tell. And
[00:15:03] I think we have someone on the phone
[00:15:05] regarding a retired a retired
[00:15:07] kindergarten teacher talking about what
[00:15:09] she's seeing. We want to hear from you.
[00:15:11] We want to help you expose what's going
[00:15:12] on. Let's go to that caller, please.
[00:15:19] anonymous. Go ahead.
[00:15:23] >> Hello. Um, so my daughter goes to a
[00:15:26] local state university here, um, liberal
[00:15:29] arts school, so we knew exactly what she
[00:15:32] was getting into when she signed up for
[00:15:34] it. She's been in the program for a
[00:15:36] little over a year. Um, proud about her
[00:15:39] faith, um, but not overly loud about it.
[00:15:43] um being respectful, having to deal with
[00:15:46] some tough stuff from it. And a week
[00:15:49] ago, Monday, so September 8th, um they
[00:15:52] had this crazy seminar, required seminar
[00:15:55] for the students that just really
[00:15:57] brought in a lot of really inappropriate
[00:16:00] things without warning. And she was
[00:16:02] really upset. And so she came home that
[00:16:04] night upset and said, you know, I'm
[00:16:06] going to talk to the head of my
[00:16:07] department. And she said, you know,
[00:16:09] maybe I'll even reach out to Charlie
[00:16:11] Kirk's organization. and I bet they
[00:16:13] could help me on my campus. So, she had
[00:16:16] that meeting set up for Wednesday,
[00:16:19] the day that actually Charlie was
[00:16:21] killed. And she was actually in the
[00:16:24] office standing up for what was right.
[00:16:27] Um, as that news came out and as her
[00:16:30] parents, we were really worried and kind
[00:16:32] of freaking out. And so, as time went
[00:16:35] on, she had the seminar again. It's on
[00:16:38] Monday nights. And so she asked me if I
[00:16:40] would attend with her since it's open to
[00:16:42] the public and since she was feeling so
[00:16:44] uncomfortable kind of being in a hostile
[00:16:47] environment for her faith and her
[00:16:49] beliefs anyway. So I said sure. So, I
[00:16:52] attended the seminar with her and they
[00:16:55] were talking about flags and talking
[00:16:57] about signs and of course conservatives
[00:17:00] are fascists and they use their flags as
[00:17:04] weapons and just just saying a lot of
[00:17:06] very um
[00:17:09] inflammatory language, especially in
[00:17:12] light of everything that had just
[00:17:13] happened. And I was sitting there, you
[00:17:15] know, surprised but not surprised but
[00:17:17] thinking, okay, well, this is kind of
[00:17:18] expected. And then the presenter ended
[00:17:21] the presentation with a picture of
[00:17:24] Charlie and it was something he had
[00:17:27] taken from like somebody doing a vigil
[00:17:30] or something and it said bring your
[00:17:31] flags and he had it circled and the
[00:17:34] whole room erupted in laughter and my
[00:17:37] daughter began to cry. We just couldn't
[00:17:40] believe it, but we wanted to see like if
[00:17:43] the professors and the leadership in the
[00:17:45] room would do something in response to
[00:17:47] it. And they said nothing. And not only
[00:17:50] did they say nothing, they took
[00:17:51] questions from the crowd, doubling down
[00:17:54] on how all conservatives are fascists,
[00:17:57] conservatives are Nazis. And then there
[00:18:00] was even somebody that said um that well
[00:18:04] Christians are also fascists and Nazis.
[00:18:06] and my daughter looked at me and said,
[00:18:08] "I want to leave. Like, I feel like
[00:18:10] these people in here are saying that
[00:18:13] it's okay to kill me for my faith." And
[00:18:16] I can't believe that my university is
[00:18:18] not stepping in to do something. So,
[00:18:22] she's there were students taking her
[00:18:24] picture as she walked out. She had a
[00:18:26] church with G a shirt on with Jesus and
[00:18:28] a cross on it and they were like
[00:18:30] laughing at us as we were walking out
[00:18:32] and heckling us. And so we've been
[00:18:34] bringing it to the university's
[00:18:36] attention. Um they're supposed to post
[00:18:38] that video because it's supposed to be
[00:18:40] made public. They've yet to post it.
[00:18:42] This happened on Monday and we're
[00:18:44] meeting with department after the
[00:18:46] department. They sent her to the DEI
[00:18:48] office.
[00:18:49] >> Um but we're really pressing that they
[00:18:51] need to make a statement saying that
[00:18:54] they do not condone this. She's had
[00:18:56] several other Christian kids,
[00:18:58] conservative kids reach out to her after
[00:19:00] hearing her story saying that they also
[00:19:03] don't feel safe there. So, we're just in
[00:19:05] we're shocked like not surprised that
[00:19:08] students would react that way, but that
[00:19:11] the university would allow that only
[00:19:14] days after after this horrible thing
[00:19:17] happened on a university campus.
[00:19:20] >> Well, um and I I recognize you want to
[00:19:21] be anonymous, so we don't want to say
[00:19:23] where this is, right?
[00:19:27] Yeah, not right now because we're we we
[00:19:29] we're meeting with the different offices
[00:19:32] and my daughter wants to find a way to
[00:19:34] continue her education there. I mean,
[00:19:36] they've offered her security. So, that
[00:19:38] in itself, I I looked at them and I
[00:19:41] said, "Well, that seems like a nice
[00:19:43] offer. Are you hearing the fact that
[00:19:45] you're recognizing that you've
[00:19:48] cultivated a culture and you allowed um
[00:19:51] this to happen in a classroom setting
[00:19:54] that you think that it's also necessary
[00:19:56] for her to have security as a
[00:19:58] 19-year-old young lady?
[00:20:00] >> Well, I would say to you that, you know,
[00:20:02] I understand how hard it is to to go
[00:20:04] public and to be uh outward with your
[00:20:07] beliefs. As a college student 20 years
[00:20:09] ago, I remember feeling that way. Uh,
[00:20:12] but if you ever do want to go into one
[00:20:14] of those meetings and record those
[00:20:16] interactions with the officials about
[00:20:18] how your daughter doesn't feel safe or
[00:20:19] about your daughter doing it, we're here
[00:20:21] to help you. We're here to help you. So,
[00:20:25] um, uh, keep the faith and, uh, just
[00:20:27] know that, uh, OMG will send you a
[00:20:30] camera if you want to speak to my team
[00:20:32] about that just in case. Just in case.
[00:20:34] And thank you for the call and thank you
[00:20:36] for telling the world about what's
[00:20:37] happening.
[00:20:37] >> We have David D. Roer on the line, the
[00:20:39] publisher of Rur Politics. David, are
[00:20:41] you there?
[00:20:45] David wrote a great column called Prove
[00:20:47] Me Right. We're clear politics. David,
[00:20:51] are you there?
[00:20:53] >> Yes, I am. How you doing, J?
[00:20:54] >> Hey, David, you're live in front of a
[00:20:56] lot of people and uh we read your column
[00:20:59] Prove Charlie right by uh by you. and if
[00:21:03] you could just summarize your reaction
[00:21:06] to everything that's happened in the
[00:21:07] last week and maybe talk a little about
[00:21:09] what you wrote on real clear politics.
[00:21:12] Yeah, I I think um you know your the
[00:21:15] subject of your calling is like the
[00:21:18] problems with higher education or
[00:21:20] education generally and at core of my
[00:21:22] piece was this kind of recognition that
[00:21:25] I think that you know education is
[00:21:28] nurturing our culture is nurturing what
[00:21:31] I what I think is an assassin's creed
[00:21:34] and that assassin's creed has some
[00:21:36] tenants to it and I think uh the person
[00:21:39] who shot Charlie whose name I'm never
[00:21:42] going to repeat, you know, comes from
[00:21:44] like, you know, the second iteration of
[00:21:46] this this fellow Luigi. There are these
[00:21:49] these young people that uh want to be
[00:21:51] part of a vanguard, want to be
[00:21:53] celebrated, right? Because they have
[00:21:55] pitiful lives, I think, uh and they
[00:21:58] blame their their pitiful lives on other
[00:22:00] people. And what they do is they whip
[00:22:03] themselves up into doing evil. And it's
[00:22:06] a couple of steps. All they all they
[00:22:08] have to do is say to themselves that the
[00:22:10] suspension of morality in the pursuit of
[00:22:13] a of a moral good, right, is a good,
[00:22:17] right, that the that the ends will their
[00:22:19] own means. And and what they do is they
[00:22:21] give up on the of the good properly
[00:22:24] understood. They give up on the rule of
[00:22:26] law, decency, and allows them to do
[00:22:29] these horrible acts. And they do so now
[00:22:32] James that the moment that they do them
[00:22:35] right that people who lack their
[00:22:37] courage, their vanguard courage will
[00:22:39] actually judge them and even if they
[00:22:42] didn't like their means, they'll like
[00:22:43] the end that came of it. And I think you
[00:22:45] see that in the in the postings that
[00:22:48] followed Charlie's death still follow
[00:22:50] Charlie's death. I think you see that
[00:22:53] and I you know Jimmy Kimble's willful
[00:22:57] disregard of everything that had been
[00:22:59] you know uh found out in the first 33
[00:23:02] hours of uh of Charlie's assassination.
[00:23:06] Uh but the opposite of that assassin's
[00:23:08] creed I think is um is our friend
[00:23:13] Charlie. I mean Charlie would not give
[00:23:15] up the good under any conditions. He
[00:23:18] wouldn't suspend it for a moment. He
[00:23:20] stood up for what he believed in. He
[00:23:23] stood by, for and behind what he thought
[00:23:26] would were legitimate first amendment
[00:23:29] protections. And he was martyed for it.
[00:23:32] And so I think Charlie is um the cure
[00:23:37] for what is presently a virus that's
[00:23:40] running through our educational system
[00:23:42] and our culture. And uh I think that uh
[00:23:46] it's it's wonderful to see that they you
[00:23:50] know they
[00:23:51] an individual per picked this person to
[00:23:54] kill. an individual did this but you
[00:23:57] know he he did so because I think it was
[00:24:01] collectively sanctioned and as a good
[00:24:04] thing but the one great thing that has
[00:24:07] come up come up from this is that
[00:24:09] Charlie has you know kind of risen right
[00:24:12] you know and I think from the clouds
[00:24:14] above he's you know he's saying to all
[00:24:17] the people who want to do something
[00:24:19] follow my example and prove me right
[00:24:23] >> um David do you think it's we're going
[00:24:24] go in a very good direction or a very
[00:24:26] dark direction or both.
[00:24:30] >> I think that's up to conservatives,
[00:24:33] >> right? Because listen, you know, it's
[00:24:37] how we respond, right? So, you know,
[00:24:40] what I would counsel anybody who listens
[00:24:42] to you is, you know, is to is to follow
[00:24:46] the code. Do not What's the What's the
[00:24:49] name of this show, James?
[00:24:50] >> My Price is My Life,
[00:24:53] >> right?
[00:24:55] Charlie's priceless his life. And if you
[00:24:57] want to honor Charlie, you know, you
[00:25:00] have to honor the idea that there's
[00:25:02] certain things that conservatives cannot
[00:25:04] do. They cannot choose. They cannot
[00:25:06] suspend morality in the pursuit of a
[00:25:09] moral purpose, right? That they have to
[00:25:11] actually, you know, you I think this is
[00:25:15] a characteristic of the modern life. and
[00:25:18] and what we need to do and you need to
[00:25:20] do if the council people, you know, to
[00:25:23] stay within the guard rails, right? One
[00:25:25] of my like everybody like can knows what
[00:25:28] the first amendment is, but you know, I
[00:25:31] think Jefferson kind of captured like
[00:25:34] the ethic that goes along with it. You
[00:25:36] know, you know, in his letters for
[00:25:37] toleration in the state of Virginia, he
[00:25:39] said, "I don't care whether my neighbor
[00:25:41] believes in one god, no god, or 20 gods,
[00:25:44] as long as he doesn't pick my pocket or
[00:25:47] break my bone." You know, so there's an
[00:25:49] openness to the ends of things. You
[00:25:51] know, this is a this is the United
[00:25:53] States. We can pursue, right, what we
[00:25:56] want. One god, no god, 20 gods. We want
[00:25:58] to change our sexuality. Have at it,
[00:26:01] right? You know, it's not illegal to do
[00:26:04] so. But if you don't like what someone
[00:26:07] says, you know, if pricking your ear or
[00:26:10] or seeing something on TV, you make that
[00:26:13] equivalent to breaking your bone, you
[00:26:16] know, that that's the problem. And I
[00:26:18] think they have taken that step. And I
[00:26:21] think that conservatives to the degree
[00:26:23] that we're going to have peace can't
[00:26:25] join them in that transvaluation. And
[00:26:28] they have to stay wedded to the good
[00:26:30] constitutionalism, the rule of law, and
[00:26:33] the first amendment. Uh David, one more
[00:26:35] question. This we're listening to David
[00:26:37] D. Rocher. I've known David for I don't
[00:26:39] know about 13 years. Publisher of
[00:26:41] Reercolitics.com.
[00:26:43] Wrote a column called Prove Charlie
[00:26:46] Wright. Uh David, you and I have talked
[00:26:49] about Toqueville. I know you've read
[00:26:50] Toqueville. And I saw one of the board
[00:26:53] members of Turning Point published a
[00:26:55] quote by Toqueville who wrote Democracy
[00:26:58] in America. And the quote was, "Not
[00:27:00] until I went into the churches of
[00:27:02] America and heard her pulpits flamed
[00:27:04] with righteousness did I understand the
[00:27:06] secret of her genius and power. America
[00:27:09] is great because she is good. And if
[00:27:11] America ever ceases to be good, she will
[00:27:14] cease to be great." Um, that was written
[00:27:16] what, 200 years ago. When was democracy
[00:27:18] in America written, David?
[00:27:22] >> Oh, it was uh
[00:27:25] 1850. 18
[00:27:28] 150 175 years ago.
[00:27:31] >> It seems like one of the takeaways from
[00:27:34] Charlie's death is that he was great,
[00:27:35] but he was also good. And it's hard to
[00:27:38] find men who have who exhibit both
[00:27:40] tendencies like that. But is America
[00:27:43] still good? Are the people still good? I
[00:27:48] >> What do you think? Listen, I think the
[00:27:50] American mind I think the American mind,
[00:27:53] the American soul is bipolar. It's
[00:27:56] design it's it's divided, you know, and
[00:27:59] you know, an American mind and soul
[00:28:01] divided can't stand. I think you know
[00:28:05] the the thing about you you mentioned
[00:28:07] you know you know Charlie was the few
[00:28:09] that was really good, right? I think
[00:28:11] Charlie created good at scale, right? I
[00:28:15] think he is a testament to the type of
[00:28:18] character that can take what to hopeful
[00:28:21] sorrow in our churches and spill it out
[00:28:23] into our culture, right? You know, and
[00:28:25] it's like, you know, people used to say,
[00:28:28] you know, be like Mike. Well, I think if
[00:28:30] we're all like Charlie and we kind of
[00:28:33] bring back that moral and civic
[00:28:35] seriousness, we play by the rules.
[00:28:38] Because I don't know about you, I don't
[00:28:40] I don't I don't think the left wants to
[00:28:42] live in under the world that they're
[00:28:44] spawning right now, right? And I think,
[00:28:47] you know, the rank and file people on
[00:28:49] both sides, let's hope that, you know,
[00:28:51] we can appeal to their common sense,
[00:28:53] natural decency, and self-preservation.
[00:28:56] We're on a dangerous road, my friend.
[00:28:58] And what we need to do is, you know, is
[00:29:01] is is not become what we hate. Stand up
[00:29:04] for what we love. and and and we'll see.
[00:29:07] You know, our country is celebrating its
[00:29:09] 250th birthday, right? Uncle Sam is
[00:29:13] bipolar, broke, and angry at itself. And
[00:29:17] I think we need to kind of like
[00:29:20] reconnect ourselves with the principles
[00:29:22] that made us. And I think the first
[00:29:24] amendment is first for a reason. I think
[00:29:27] understanding how to tolerate one
[00:29:29] another. It's like because it's a great
[00:29:31] country when you know you can believe in
[00:29:32] one god or no god and you can you know
[00:29:35] and you can pursue your own notion of
[00:29:37] happiness. That's the experiment that we
[00:29:39] have to maintain. But to do so, there's
[00:29:41] rules. And the rule is you can't coersse
[00:29:44] other people. And the highest form of
[00:29:46] coercion is shooting somebody, you know,
[00:29:49] and you know, everybody wants to make
[00:29:50] Jimmy Kimmel into the market today,
[00:29:52] right? I don't think, you know, I I
[00:29:55] don't believe in like uh you know, using
[00:29:57] government to pressure carriers to do
[00:30:00] something. I don't know if that's what
[00:30:02] happened here. If it was, I don't think
[00:30:04] it's right. However, I would say this is
[00:30:07] like Jimmy Kimmel lost a check, right?
[00:30:10] And he go can go off and get another one
[00:30:13] and Reed Hoffman will probably give him
[00:30:15] money for a a show. However, Charlie
[00:30:18] Kirk lost his life. And and if you can't
[00:30:21] even see that as a difference and if
[00:30:23] you're going to play the moral
[00:30:24] equivalency game and put Charlie next to
[00:30:27] uh to Jimmy, I I I think, you know, I
[00:30:29] think it's evidence that we've lost the
[00:30:31] plot a little bit. And uh but I but I
[00:30:34] only think good behavior, good talking,
[00:30:36] good debate is going to bring it back.
[00:30:39] >> David D. Roer, it's good to talk to you.
[00:30:41] Thank you, my friend. And and well done
[00:30:43] on the column. Thank you.
[00:30:45] >> Hey, thank you. Keep
[00:30:48] >> Thank you, David. Um uh just so you all
[00:30:51] know, um we have a training in Arizona
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[00:42:07] right, everyone. Welcome back to special
[00:42:10] edition of My Price is My Life. We're
[00:42:12] about to get to a couple of our
[00:42:13] whistleblowers that you've seen. Rick,
[00:42:16] Professor Rick, my friend from Florida
[00:42:19] Tech, and Kelsey from FEMA. Before we do
[00:42:21] that, on Monday, we're going to be
[00:42:23] having O'Keeffe Academy Master Class in
[00:42:25] Phoenix, Arizona. That's September 22nd,
[00:42:27] the day after the service. The purpose
[00:42:28] of this is to help train college kids
[00:42:31] and students to record on their campuses
[00:42:34] to expose what is happening. Um,
[00:42:38] when I first got started in TurningPoint
[00:42:42] in 2014, 2015, Charlie instructed me to
[00:42:46] record on college campuses and to train
[00:42:49] other people how to follow what I did at
[00:42:51] Ruckers University and I did as I was
[00:42:53] instructed and talked about all the
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[00:43:00] you want to attend this on Monday in
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[00:43:12] in undercover work on college campuses.
[00:43:15] And we have a number of people calling
[00:43:16] in today about tips there. U but now
[00:43:19] we're going to go to uh Kelsey from
[00:43:22] FEMA, one of the whistleblowers that
[00:43:25] we've worked with. Uh so Kelsey, are you
[00:43:27] there?
[00:43:30] >> Hey Dave, thanks for having me on.
[00:43:32] >> Hey Kelsey. Um, uh, for those of you who
[00:43:35] may remember Kelsey from FEMA talking
[00:43:38] about disaster relief we interviewed
[00:43:40] last fall and I know Kelsey, you have
[00:43:44] been through hell after telling the
[00:43:47] truth. You're one of the bravest people
[00:43:49] I know. I'd love to get your reaction to
[00:43:53] the news and and how you're feeling.
[00:43:54] Kelsey,
[00:43:58] >> thank you. Um, it's been really hard. I
[00:44:01] never had the pleasure of meeting
[00:44:03] Charlie. But I think I like so many
[00:44:06] other people do in this country who
[00:44:08] never met him, but who grew up listening
[00:44:11] to him debate in a loving and godly way.
[00:44:15] And you know, the Lord does not give us
[00:44:18] a spirit of fear. He walks with us. He
[00:44:20] will never leave us nor forsake us. And
[00:44:23] I think that Charlie knew that. He
[00:44:25] embodied that. And he was so bold for
[00:44:28] his faith.
[00:44:30] just watching him debate and watching
[00:44:32] him speak out on politics, on the Lord,
[00:44:35] it gave me such a confidence to do the
[00:44:37] same thing. And and I think this country
[00:44:40] is um really missing him right now.
[00:44:43] >> Um you know, Kelsey, you know, as
[00:44:46] someone you've actually made serious
[00:44:49] sacrifices and I know you're going
[00:44:50] through it right now. Can you just speak
[00:44:53] about what you're going through if
[00:44:55] you're comfortable sharing anything
[00:44:57] about your journey cuz you you you blew
[00:45:00] the whistle on FEMA. You told the truth
[00:45:01] about the DEI. You were brave and and
[00:45:05] and what what are you going through
[00:45:07] right now? How are how are you what has
[00:45:08] happened to you? And there's a lot of
[00:45:10] people listening, a lot of patriots who
[00:45:13] want people to do the right thing. You
[00:45:15] did and you paid a price. Just just talk
[00:45:17] a little bit about that.
[00:45:21] So, I spoke with you back in the fall,
[00:45:23] like you said, just to discuss some real
[00:45:26] issues that FEMA was having regarding um
[00:45:30] DEI discrimination when it came to
[00:45:32] giving out federal funding um through
[00:45:35] disaster relief. And I have since been
[00:45:38] put on unpaid leave. So, I still
[00:45:40] officially work for FEMA, but I have
[00:45:43] been suspended since the beginning of
[00:45:46] June.
[00:45:47] You know, it is hard. It it's been very
[00:45:50] hard, but the peace
[00:45:52] that transcends all understanding is
[00:45:55] with me. And I think that's something
[00:45:56] that Charlie understood. Those of us who
[00:45:59] trust in the Lord with all our hearts
[00:46:01] and with all our minds, it it it's just
[00:46:05] such a piece that that truly you can't
[00:46:07] explain to someone who doesn't have it.
[00:46:11] We know that what we're doing is right.
[00:46:13] We know that the Lord has put us on this
[00:46:16] path and there is no peace if you don't
[00:46:19] follow his command and if you don't obey
[00:46:23] what he's telling you to do. And so for
[00:46:26] those of us that
[00:46:29] feel that we have been put on this path,
[00:46:32] given a purpose for the Lord to speak
[00:46:34] out and to tell the truth, um these
[00:46:36] things are going to happen. It's a
[00:46:38] fallen world and we are in a spiritual
[00:46:40] battle, but it is so worth it. I would
[00:46:43] never go back and do it anyway
[00:46:47] because I know that the Lord is with me
[00:46:49] and and
[00:46:51] everything will end up exactly how he
[00:46:53] wants it to.
[00:46:53] >> Kelsey, one of the things that Charlie
[00:46:55] said he wanted to be remembered for his
[00:46:57] faith and you talk about it being a
[00:46:59] spiritual battle. Um, is is faith your
[00:47:04] faith the reason why you did what you
[00:47:07] did exposing FEMA?
[00:47:11] >> Absolutely, James. I don't know if you
[00:47:13] remember, I was scared at first. I
[00:47:14] wanted to be anonymous. I did not want
[00:47:16] to go out on camera and your team was so
[00:47:20] wonderful. Y'all prayed with me. Y'all
[00:47:22] prayed over me that I would not have a
[00:47:24] spirit of fear that the Lord would give
[00:47:26] me courage. And he did. And I am so
[00:47:29] grateful for that. I cannot imagine the
[00:47:31] shame that I would have today had I not
[00:47:34] gone out and followed what I know the
[00:47:37] Lord was leading me to do. He will lead
[00:47:39] us through it. He will lead us exactly
[00:47:43] to where we're meant to be and he will
[00:47:44] work it out. No, no matter if I get my
[00:47:47] job back, no matter if I don't, his plan
[00:47:50] is perfect and we have to trust that.
[00:47:52] And I think that Charlie trusted that as
[00:47:54] well. Um, Kelsey, um, I would like to,
[00:47:59] um, invite you to our event in Mara Lago
[00:48:03] on December, excuse me, on November
[00:48:05] 13th, and I'd like to honor you along
[00:48:08] with the other whistleblowers I'll have
[00:48:10] on the show today, and I want you to be
[00:48:13] there. Uh, I think my team is talking to
[00:48:15] you offline, but I hope you can be
[00:48:18] there. Can you confirm with me that you
[00:48:20] can be there? Sorry to put you on the
[00:48:22] spot.
[00:48:23] >> Absolutely. I wouldn't if it a
[00:48:26] >> and hopefully we can raise some
[00:48:28] resources for you uh on that front. I
[00:48:30] want everyone to know just how brave
[00:48:32] Kelsey is. And it's often real courage
[00:48:36] is acting in the face of your of your
[00:48:39] fear and not knowing the outcome. It
[00:48:42] takes an extremely brave human being to
[00:48:44] do what Kelsey did, not knowing where
[00:48:46] she might land. And to this day, she is
[00:48:48] not paid. She is on unpaid suspension
[00:48:52] that the Trump administration could
[00:48:54] reverse this in a minute. And I know
[00:48:57] that Charlie was very proud of you,
[00:48:59] Kelsey, because I talked to him about
[00:49:01] you and I talked to him about how I can
[00:49:05] help you guys, you whistleblowers, doing
[00:49:08] what you're doing. And um unfortunately,
[00:49:11] he his life ended so early. But on
[00:49:13] November 13th at the historic Mara Lago,
[00:49:17] home of President Trump, we host the
[00:49:19] first annual citizen journalism awards,
[00:49:21] including whistleblower awards. People
[00:49:23] like Kelsey Goodman who risked their
[00:49:25] life and reputation, even their freedom
[00:49:28] and their pension
[00:49:30] to expose things that people don't want
[00:49:32] exposed.
[00:49:34] So, if the government won't reward you,
[00:49:36] Kelsey, if the Pulit surprise committee
[00:49:38] won't reward you, the Emmys won't even
[00:49:40] mention Charlie's name,
[00:49:43] uh, we're going to reward we're going to
[00:49:45] give you an award and honor you. So, I
[00:49:47] hope to see you there and I will see you
[00:49:49] there on stage with me. Okay.
[00:49:53] >> Absolutely. I would be honored. Thank
[00:49:54] you, James.
[00:49:55] >> Thank you, Kelsey. And that's
[00:49:57] citizenjournalistgala.com.
[00:50:01] citizenjournalistgala.com.
[00:50:04] You can people can attend this. We're
[00:50:06] going to be honoring. We're going to
[00:50:08] have a citizen journalism awards. We're
[00:50:09] going to have a whistleblower awards and
[00:50:11] we're going to have a Charlie Kirk Award
[00:50:13] uh at the Moralago on November 13th.
[00:50:15] You're going to meet these brave people.
[00:50:17] Courage begets courage just like media
[00:50:19] begets media. Uh people watch this and
[00:50:22] they do it. A lot of you out there are
[00:50:24] wondering, "Well, I can't do this. I
[00:50:26] might lose my this. I might lose my
[00:50:28] that. I might lose my job. I might lose
[00:50:30] my that. But by the way, there it is on
[00:50:32] the screen. November 13th, you can buy a
[00:50:34] ticket, support our foundation, help pay
[00:50:37] our legal bills, help them pay their
[00:50:38] legal bills. This is
[00:50:40] citizenjournalistgala.com
[00:50:43] to go to this citizenjournalism awards.
[00:50:46] Um, people who are calling into the show
[00:50:50] are telling us about how they're they're
[00:50:52] watching these abuses on their college
[00:50:54] campuses, and their schools, at their
[00:50:56] places of employment, but they're
[00:50:57] afraid. They're afraid of retaliation.
[00:51:02] And um we don't have to necessarily give
[00:51:06] up our life. We're not asking you to do
[00:51:08] that. But you have to give up something.
[00:51:12] You have to sacrifice
[00:51:14] something.
[00:51:16] As Charlie Kirk told us, it is not like
[00:51:19] going on a diet. This is not like going
[00:51:22] to the gym five times a week. This is 5
[00:51:25] to 10 years of sacrifice to make just a
[00:51:29] tiny bit of difference. And there's a
[00:51:31] man I know who has done that repeatedly.
[00:51:34] His name is Rick Adante.
[00:51:37] One of the more recent whistleblowers I
[00:51:38] interviewed from Florida Tech. And I
[00:51:41] believe we have Rick on the line. Rick,
[00:51:44] are you there?
[00:51:47] >> Yes, sir. How you doing, Jan?
[00:51:49] >> Rick, you and I could talk for an hour
[00:51:51] about the death of Charlie Kirk. We have
[00:51:53] about five minutes.
[00:51:56] So, um I just wanted to ask how are you
[00:51:59] feeling and what do you want to tell the
[00:52:01] world as someone and again I'm just for
[00:52:03] those of you who just tuned in. We are
[00:52:05] talking to whistleblowers, people who
[00:52:07] gave up their career, their pension and
[00:52:09] their job for the truth. These are the
[00:52:11] bravest people I know. Rick Adante is
[00:52:14] one of them. Rick, what's your reaction
[00:52:15] to the death of Charlie Kirk?
[00:52:19] >> Hi James. Thanks for having me here. Um,
[00:52:22] I'm devastated like many people are and
[00:52:24] it's been a whirlwind in in a str some
[00:52:27] strange ways because
[00:52:29] I didn't know Charlie personally. I
[00:52:31] don't think I've ever met him, but we
[00:52:33] grew up in the same town. Our wives are
[00:52:35] the same name and our kids are the same
[00:52:37] age. Um, my brother is the same age as
[00:52:41] him. Maybe even played on some of the
[00:52:42] same teams growing up.
[00:52:44] Uh we both went to college campuses to
[00:52:46] speak the truth because we both saw it
[00:52:48] as the core place needing the truth to
[00:52:51] fight the evil that
[00:52:53] us.
[00:52:55] So, as a father and a husband, it hurts
[00:52:58] because
[00:53:00] it's it's close and
[00:53:03] he was so good in ways in ways that I
[00:53:06] wasn't like he is just he's but as a
[00:53:09] father and a husband it inspire it
[00:53:11] inspires because of how good he was. Um
[00:53:15] I had um
[00:53:18] been setting up to to to contact him
[00:53:20] about our our story. He was actually I
[00:53:22] don't know if you know this James he was
[00:53:24] one of the first outlets that covered
[00:53:25] our story in April when it came out
[00:53:27] about Florida Tech that OMG did its
[00:53:31] story on and he put uh President Nicola
[00:53:34] who you interviewed on his professor
[00:53:37] watch warning students about the bias
[00:53:39] and the laws indoctrination that he was
[00:53:42] pushing. And so, you know, to hear your
[00:53:44] uncle speak
[00:53:47] and to know um, you know, that he took a
[00:53:50] personal interest what we were doing to
[00:53:52] share the truth. Um, it's hard. Um, he
[00:53:57] was,
[00:53:58] you know, when you're a whistleblower,
[00:54:01] there's not a lot of places that
[00:54:03] necessarily want to feature your your
[00:54:05] work. It's usually messy. It can be
[00:54:08] complicated. And to have people like you
[00:54:12] and people like him willing to stand up
[00:54:16] too, that takes courage on your side,
[00:54:18] courage on his side to help us carry
[00:54:21] that water. Um, you know, that that
[00:54:23] courage is a team effort and there's not
[00:54:25] a lot of people in the media who have
[00:54:28] that. You are and he is and you are two
[00:54:31] of the most special people that I think
[00:54:33] everybody recognizes.
[00:54:36] And so that's, you know, when it first
[00:54:39] happened, I think I texted you almost
[00:54:41] immediately and you sent me a picture of
[00:54:42] you and him and it and it and it really
[00:54:46] it kind of rattled me, James, because
[00:54:47] you were wearing that bulletproof vest.
[00:54:50] >> Yes.
[00:54:50] >> Picture of you and him that you put,
[00:54:52] >> you know, you know, one of the things I
[00:54:53] get I get, Rick, is um I I get a lot of
[00:54:55] people, you're listening to Rick Adante.
[00:54:58] He's a I mean this sincerely. I'm not
[00:55:01] just This is not hyperbole. I hope you
[00:55:03] believe me, Rick, and I apologize. Rick,
[00:55:04] you and I were supposed to talk offline
[00:55:06] and I I I we're talking live in front of
[00:55:09] people. I hope you don't mind. We never
[00:55:11] get a chance to talk. I I was supposed
[00:55:13] to call you, but I got I've got about a
[00:55:15] thousand phone calls in two days and if
[00:55:17] I appear exhausted, it's because I am
[00:55:20] >> and I turned my phone off for for two
[00:55:22] days this week to kind of get away from
[00:55:24] all of it because I know Charlie, that's
[00:55:26] was his advice to me. He was take take
[00:55:27] take the weekend off. Take of course
[00:55:29] what's a weekend in our business? Monday
[00:55:31] is Saturday and Sunday is Wednesday.
[00:55:33] There is no uh exact day off, but
[00:55:36] Charlie was writing a book. He told me,
[00:55:38] Rick, about um I forgot the name of it.
[00:55:40] I think it was stop in the name of God.
[00:55:43] And it was he was very adamant about the
[00:55:45] Sabbath or about taking a day off a
[00:55:47] week, whether it be Saturday or Sunday.
[00:55:49] It's your preference. So, I meant to
[00:55:51] call you, Rick, but um I I think one of
[00:55:54] the one of the things is about physical
[00:55:56] safety. Everyone's saying he's worried
[00:55:58] about um they're worried about my safety
[00:56:01] and they're worried about they're
[00:56:02] worried about everything. Rick, I know
[00:56:06] you're someone who's given a lot up. You
[00:56:08] University of Texas professor. You
[00:56:10] exposed what was happening there. You
[00:56:12] lost one kind of career, but you kept
[00:56:14] going, became a a NASA astronaut
[00:56:16] researcher type, and then you went to
[00:56:18] San Bernardino and then you went to
[00:56:20] Florida Tech and you lost your job. What
[00:56:22] do you think about all the fear
[00:56:24] regarding our physical safety? What do
[00:56:26] you make of that and the bulletproof
[00:56:28] vest stuff that you saw?
[00:56:31] >> Uh, my first answer is to put on the
[00:56:33] armor of God. And I don't mean that as a
[00:56:36] cliche. I mean, I put it very sincerely.
[00:56:38] Put on the armor of God. Um, if if
[00:56:42] Charlie's
[00:56:44] tragic murder tells us nothing, it's to
[00:56:46] have courage and it's not and it's to
[00:56:48] not give into that fear. So, when I saw
[00:56:49] you in that picture, it struck me
[00:56:52] because I'm like, I didn't know Charlie,
[00:56:54] but I'm like, "Oh my god, my friend does
[00:56:56] specifically, and I've been in pictures
[00:56:58] next to you. That could have been me, or
[00:56:59] that could have been you." And it it it
[00:57:01] it brought it very very close to home,
[00:57:03] and it made me realize to share with
[00:57:06] other people that people think it's
[00:57:08] hyperbole or sensationalism when you
[00:57:10] wear things like that. I'm like, I don't
[00:57:11] think people truly comprehend the kind
[00:57:13] of level, but also frequency of threats
[00:57:16] that people think you are subjected to
[00:57:17] all the time. And most of the players
[00:57:19] have to have a certain amount of
[00:57:21] courage, but so must you and so must
[00:57:23] many other people particularly who do
[00:57:25] the courageous things to speak the truth
[00:57:27] because you guys do receive serious
[00:57:29] threats. And this was not Charlie's
[00:57:30] first threat. I I cannot imagine it was.
[00:57:32] And he knew the risk that he took. But
[00:57:34] one of the things he did is he tapped
[00:57:36] into what you and I talked about on our
[00:57:38] show. And so this is an answer to your
[00:57:40] question too, James. I was rattled
[00:57:42] because our show that we did, number
[00:57:44] six, was like weeks before that. And I
[00:57:46] felt like all of this that's happening
[00:57:49] is what we were. We said wars not about
[00:57:51] my childish men. We said wars of
[00:57:53] cultural society.
[00:57:54] >> I remember that we knew this.
[00:57:56] >> I remember that. That was that was very
[00:57:57] profound. And I want to say that again.
[00:57:59] It was wars are not fought by childless
[00:58:03] men.
[00:58:05] >> Wars are not fought by childless men.
[00:58:08] And it's so true. It's a profound Oh,
[00:58:10] you know what? You know what that also
[00:58:11] reminds me of Rick is a lyric by Billy
[00:58:14] Joel. Only the good die young. You know,
[00:58:18] I I I I I I that we have the picture on
[00:58:21] the screen. Can we throw it up there for
[00:58:22] the audience so they can read this? This
[00:58:23] is me and Charlie Kirk. This is in
[00:58:26] 20121. Rick, I don't know if you could
[00:58:28] see what you're we're on a live show or
[00:58:29] if you could see the picture, but
[00:58:31] Charlie is tapping on my vest and he's
[00:58:33] like, "Let me see your bulletproof
[00:58:35] vest." And he's uh tapping on it. Uh
[00:58:40] he's wearing a shirt called Never
[00:58:42] Surrender.
[00:58:44] And
[00:58:46] people would mock me. Why do you Why do
[00:58:48] you wear a vest, James O'Keefe? I I
[00:58:51] actually feel that's kind of demonic
[00:58:53] when people say that. Like I I've
[00:58:55] actually got people say you're not
[00:58:56] important enough to wear a bulletproof
[00:58:58] vest. So you're either damned if you do
[00:59:00] or damned if you don't. It's like if you
[00:59:02] don't wear the protection, then they
[00:59:04] think that you're naive and an idiot. If
[00:59:06] you do wear the protection, they think
[00:59:08] that you think that you're too
[00:59:09] important. So, it's a very strange
[00:59:11] thing, but um there's Charlie Kirk
[00:59:15] wearing a shirt saying never surrender,
[00:59:18] examining my body armor. But Rick
[00:59:20] Adante, you're talking about the armor
[00:59:22] of God. And uh I feel like um it's not
[00:59:27] my time. I I feel rather it's not my
[00:59:30] place to say when it's my time, but I
[00:59:33] feel like Charlie Kirk came to planet
[00:59:35] Earth to teach us. And I feel personally
[00:59:39] that uh people like me, maybe even
[00:59:41] people like you, we still have a lot to
[00:59:42] learn here. Meaning that I am not done
[00:59:47] learning
[00:59:48] and I am not as good of a man as Charlie
[00:59:51] Kirk was. And I know you said something
[00:59:53] similar. You said he makes us want to be
[00:59:55] a better man, but that that's my
[00:59:57] reaction is that I I feel like I've got
[00:59:59] a lot left to learn. How do you is that
[01:00:00] how you would put it or you put it in
[01:00:02] different ways?
[01:00:05] >> Yes and no. So, I have I I I I wrote a
[01:00:08] note here that I wanted to to say before
[01:00:10] I call too, and it taps right into that,
[01:00:12] which is the other thing it made me
[01:00:14] think of, and I'm sure everyone in the
[01:00:16] country must have felt this too at some
[01:00:19] point or another, which is like it's so
[01:00:21] sudden. It came out of nowhere. Oh my
[01:00:23] gosh. Like, what like it just right,
[01:00:26] right, you get this sense and it goes
[01:00:28] right back to the scriptural point of
[01:00:30] it's it will come like a thief in the
[01:00:32] night when you said it's not your time.
[01:00:33] I I I noticed you kind of caught
[01:00:35] yourself when you actually you said
[01:00:37] you're not going to know when it's your
[01:00:38] time because that's that's something I
[01:00:41] wanted to really extol and share is that
[01:00:44] I've had a few different near-death
[01:00:46] experiences in my life. I was run over
[01:00:47] by a car. I almost died on Karo. Like
[01:00:50] there are some very very close times I
[01:00:52] should have been dead. And
[01:00:54] that's something that I've taken away
[01:00:56] from that, which is how quickly that
[01:00:58] happened and how clear it was that I
[01:01:01] will have no idea and no control over
[01:01:04] that moment and nobody will. And I think
[01:01:06] something like this is something that it
[01:01:08] seemed like Charlie seemed to
[01:01:09] intuitively because of the way he lived
[01:01:12] his life, the way he was so earnest and
[01:01:13] genuine and courageous because it's
[01:01:15] going to come like a thief in the life
[01:01:17] for every single one of us. And it could
[01:01:18] be any of us, you, me, any day. So the
[01:01:22] question I would say to to the you
[01:01:23] audience is why are you waiting until
[01:01:26] tomorrow to tell the truth?
[01:01:28] >> Well, and Rick and Rick, you're a guy
[01:01:30] who
[01:01:30] >> and what's
[01:01:32] >> you're a guy who actually did the thing.
[01:01:34] I don't think people fully understand.
[01:01:36] And again, I'm not just having anybody
[01:01:38] on here this show today. I'm only having
[01:01:40] heroes who've lost their jobs and
[01:01:42] pensions and tipsters who have a story
[01:01:44] to tell. Those are the only two call
[01:01:46] screeners. I only want to talk to those
[01:01:48] people. I don't want to talk to people
[01:01:49] who just whine and I want to hear
[01:01:52] from people who've done the thing or
[01:01:54] people who are about to do the thing.
[01:01:55] You're listening to Rick Adante. And I
[01:01:57] mean this genuinely from the bottom of
[01:01:58] my heart. I I I need to do more for you
[01:02:01] Rick. You're going to go to Mara Lago,
[01:02:02] right, Rick? Are you coming to me? Can I
[01:02:04] come to November 13th?
[01:02:06] >> Oh yeah.
[01:02:06] >> Okay, great. So at least I'll be able to
[01:02:08] help you there. I know you have a
[01:02:10] passion for reforming education in
[01:02:12] Florida. It's not particularly my skill
[01:02:14] set lobbying the government to get
[01:02:16] things done, but I is my skill set to
[01:02:18] expose the bastards. So, I hope that you
[01:02:21] can set an example for people, Rick. And
[01:02:23] people right now are on the sidelines
[01:02:25] waiting to do it, but they're afraid of,
[01:02:29] you know, losing whatever they've got.
[01:02:32] And here's one of the greatest one of
[01:02:34] the goodest men I've ever I've ever
[01:02:36] seen, I've ever known, losing his life.
[01:02:38] We're not asking you to give up your
[01:02:40] life. We're asking you to give up your
[01:02:42] comfort. Can you just speak to that cuz
[01:02:43] you got kicked out of the University of
[01:02:45] Texas, Florida Tech. I mean, you got
[01:02:48] kicked out of all these places and yet
[01:02:49] you have children. Can you just talk
[01:02:51] about that for a minute?
[01:02:53] >> Yeah, absolutely. Somebody said, and you
[01:02:56] might said it earlier, too, which is
[01:02:57] that um you sacrifice something, I
[01:03:00] guess. But let let me also add that you
[01:03:01] sacrifice something by doing nothing.
[01:03:03] When you when you said when you do
[01:03:05] nothing or say nothing, you may end up
[01:03:07] and be nothing. There is a price to
[01:03:08] saying nothing. There's always a price
[01:03:10] to speaking the truth. There's always
[01:03:11] this price to having courage, but I
[01:03:13] promise you deep in your soul if you
[01:03:15] realize it or later on after life would
[01:03:18] when you may be forced to realize it,
[01:03:20] there's also a price for not having
[01:03:23] courage, for not speaking truth, not
[01:03:25] being true to yourself. And so that's
[01:03:28] the kind of courage that that I taught
[01:03:30] in Charlie that I see in you that that
[01:03:32] that I've had to grow in life myself.
[01:03:35] When I say put on the armor for God, I'm
[01:03:37] not using that as a cliche. You and I
[01:03:38] have talked offline before this stuff
[01:03:40] even went public and and encouraging
[01:03:42] each other. And I said, "Put on the
[01:03:44] armor of God. This is we have discerned.
[01:03:46] We have prayed. This is what you want."
[01:03:48] And when he does that,
[01:03:50] that is where faith and the courage
[01:03:52] comes from. But never compromise your
[01:03:54] integrity, your courage, your faith
[01:03:55] today because it may not come tomorrow.
[01:03:58] Tomorrow may not come. And when the
[01:03:59] thief comes tonight and you may have to
[01:04:01] account for what you did today, is it
[01:04:03] going to be your message that I was
[01:04:06] waiting until tomorrow to speak that
[01:04:08] truth, tomorrow to live the right way,
[01:04:11] tomorrow to do the right thing? Because
[01:04:13] tomorrow may not ever come and that's
[01:04:15] something that's is
[01:04:18] this situation has drawn close to me and
[01:04:21] made me bring my children closer, hug
[01:04:23] them more.
[01:04:24] >> Yeah. What are we What are we What are
[01:04:26] we waiting for? What what are we waiting
[01:04:28] for? We're waiting for, I guess, to to
[01:04:31] get to a certain point where then and
[01:04:33] only then can we can we can we make a
[01:04:35] difference. And the answer is there's no
[01:04:36] point in waiting, right? And you've
[01:04:38] lived this and you're listening to a man
[01:04:40] Rick Dante on the line here who's blown
[01:04:42] the whistle like twice, lost his job at
[01:04:45] the University of Texas, went back to
[01:04:47] Florida Tech, lost his job again.
[01:04:50] I I just h how do you get people to the
[01:04:52] uh Rick? How do we get people to be
[01:04:54] biased towards action like to do it?
[01:04:58] What's stopping them?
[01:05:00] >> I mean, it's like weightlifting. You
[01:05:03] have to you have to like lift weights to
[01:05:06] lift more weights. You have to practice
[01:05:08] that boring muscle. You have to practice
[01:05:10] really the mental muscle of being
[01:05:13] comfortable with a struggle or a
[01:05:16] suffering, but also feeling comfortable
[01:05:18] believing in the truth and believe and
[01:05:20] believing in God is a muscle. believing
[01:05:21] that with the faith that you'll be okay
[01:05:24] somehow you'll be you know I don't know
[01:05:27] um it you it it it comes I mean and
[01:05:32] there's times when it goes it gets away
[01:05:34] and you're alone and you're you're
[01:05:37] adopted I promise you that those times
[01:05:39] will come we see those as gifts to grow
[01:05:42] and learn and pray and and I don't mean
[01:05:45] any of that as a cliche I sincerely
[01:05:48] truly mean this and I speak almost as a
[01:05:50] psychologist to is I am a psychologist
[01:05:52] but I speak to this too for people
[01:05:53] grieving a couple like a theme and I
[01:05:56] that is a a message of solace which is
[01:05:59] to say that we can't wait for tomorrow
[01:06:01] like take joy in the day that you have
[01:06:03] take joy the days that Charlie had
[01:06:05] learned every moment that was today I I
[01:06:07] I I gave a talk to a military group who
[01:06:10] covered us who was interested in our
[01:06:11] story about the the DEI exposure at at
[01:06:14] Florida Tech and after the talk James
[01:06:17] they told me after I got done speaking
[01:06:18] they're like you know our last speaker
[01:06:20] was Charlie Kirk
[01:06:22] H
[01:06:22] >> and I didn't know that. And it turns out
[01:06:24] I I texted you the video they have on
[01:06:26] YouTube from a month ago. That was the
[01:06:27] last week at the Air Force Academy about
[01:06:29] DEI. And so I was like just it was
[01:06:34] surreal. I'm sitting there afterwards.
[01:06:35] I'm kind of like tearing up just
[01:06:37] thinking about him and what he meant to
[01:06:39] the country and to so many people. And a
[01:06:41] song comes out at the store in the sky
[01:06:44] like green up and I almost felt like he
[01:06:46] was speaking to let us know he's going
[01:06:49] up to the spirit in the sky and he's
[01:06:51] okay and and then you know um it's been
[01:06:56] hard cuz you go through that bring you
[01:07:00] um different place but
[01:07:04] I go back to that that courage and if I
[01:07:06] may one last thing the danger is
[01:07:11] But still must be the courage and life
[01:07:12] is too short to be a coward. So you know
[01:07:14] since talking about this on your show we
[01:07:17] said in respect to free speech and the
[01:07:19] first amendment soldiers die through
[01:07:22] your right to have free speech and to
[01:07:23] use to speak the truth. Now I would ask
[01:07:25] people to imagine if if you didn't use
[01:07:28] the gift that somebody died to give you
[01:07:31] to speak the truth how how much they
[01:07:32] feel looking down upon you begging for
[01:07:35] you to speak the truth and to speak
[01:07:37] free. And so free speech doesn't just
[01:07:39] work if you're too scared to speak it or
[01:07:42] wait for it to tell you it. You've got
[01:07:43] to be willing to pay the same price that
[01:07:45] somebody paid for you to have it, for
[01:07:47] you to use it. Using it comes with the
[01:07:49] cost, but staying quiet comes with a
[01:07:51] different kind of nefarious cost. And
[01:07:54] don't let those lies win. Don't let the
[01:07:56] fears win. Speak up. Have courage. Have
[01:07:59] truth. and and no, I mean, there's
[01:08:01] people like you and Charlie that gave
[01:08:03] the voice to the people of us who nobody
[01:08:06] it was so much harder to have courage
[01:08:07] when no one would listen and give us a
[01:08:09] platform to speak and to share the
[01:08:11] truth. And it was you and it was him
[01:08:12] that made that possible. And you know,
[01:08:16] that is a reason to that is a reason to
[01:08:18] have courage. That's a reason to have
[01:08:19] faith. And it's a reason to know that he
[01:08:22] lived every single day without
[01:08:24] compromise of what you and I talked
[01:08:26] about exactly on that show. And it makes
[01:08:28] it harder and harder for me to think
[01:08:30] about. But the joy turns every time.
[01:08:33] >> I don't think Rick, that's very
[01:08:36] profound. And I don't think that we can,
[01:08:38] like Kennedy said at the Kennedy Center,
[01:08:40] he said, "Does the hole they leave when
[01:08:42] they die ever get any smaller?" No, it
[01:08:46] never gets smaller. But our job is to
[01:08:47] build ourselves bigger around that hole.
[01:08:52] So, good news, bad news, America.
[01:08:56] The good news is there's going to be
[01:08:58] Well, let me start with the bad news.
[01:08:59] The bad news is, let me let me be clear
[01:09:01] about this.
[01:09:03] It is impossible to replace Charlie
[01:09:05] Kirk. It's not possible. I saw that
[01:09:08] Turning Point
[01:09:10] uh appointed Erica Kirk as CEO, as they
[01:09:14] should.
[01:09:15] It is impossible to replace Charlie
[01:09:17] Kirk. Nobody will fill his shoes.
[01:09:20] It was impossible years ago to replace
[01:09:23] Andrew Breitbart. By the way, I've seen
[01:09:25] two of my mentors die in um 13 years,
[01:09:29] both of whom I looked up to in different
[01:09:32] ways.
[01:09:33] You cannot replace these men
[01:09:36] and we're not going to be able to.
[01:09:39] People don't understand that in order to
[01:09:41] succeed in this business, in order to do
[01:09:43] what Charlie Kirk did, people don't
[01:09:44] understand you have to be good at about
[01:09:46] half a dozen things. You have to be an
[01:09:49] organizational entrepreneur.
[01:09:52] You have to be a CEO.
[01:09:55] You have to be a fundraiser. You have to
[01:09:58] be a diplomat.
[01:10:00] You have to be a performing a perform a
[01:10:04] performance artist. You have to be good
[01:10:06] on camera. You have to be a good public
[01:10:09] speaker.
[01:10:11] You have to be a good politician.
[01:10:14] You have to be good at discernment
[01:10:17] in order to be a good leader in modern
[01:10:21] in the modern era in order to do what
[01:10:22] Charlie and and and
[01:10:25] you can't be a hypocrite
[01:10:28] and you have to be a good husband and
[01:10:31] you have to be a good father.
[01:10:34] I mean, I
[01:10:38] no, you're not going to find any you're
[01:10:41] not going to find a man
[01:10:43] to do 12 things at 100%. This people
[01:10:47] just don't exist.
[01:10:49] But
[01:10:50] this is a picture of me and Rick mowing
[01:10:52] the lawn together. By the way, this is
[01:10:54] the man that's on the phone. But does
[01:10:57] the hole they leave when they die ever
[01:10:59] get any smaller? No, it doesn't. But our
[01:11:02] job is to build ourselves bigger around
[01:11:06] that hole. The good news is there's
[01:11:09] going to be a million other Charlie
[01:11:11] Kirks. No, they're not going to be
[01:11:13] drawing 5,000 people on a Utah campus.
[01:11:17] No, they're not going to be,
[01:11:20] and this is truly remarkable, what
[01:11:22] Charlie would able to do, an
[01:11:23] encyclopedia of knowledge about the
[01:11:26] American founding. I I can't do that. I
[01:11:29] I I if I spent the next decade studying
[01:11:32] maybe, but I don't know if I could
[01:11:34] actually do that, Rick. I don't know if
[01:11:36] I can do what Charlie could do. But but
[01:11:41] we're not asking you to do everything
[01:11:42] Charlie did. We're asking you to expose
[01:11:46] evil in your town to to shine a light on
[01:11:50] wrongdoing.
[01:11:52] And let me read something. Since Charlie
[01:11:55] was a community organizer,
[01:11:58] he was at least one of that. I I there's
[01:12:00] this book called Rules for Radicals, and
[01:12:02] it was one of the things that got me
[01:12:04] started. And I'm going to read you two
[01:12:06] passages from this book called Rules for
[01:12:08] Radicals.
[01:12:10] I recognize some conservatives may not
[01:12:12] like that I'm reading this, but Alinsky
[01:12:14] is not writing about ideology. He's
[01:12:16] writing about grassroots organizing. And
[01:12:18] Charlie was the best of the best of the
[01:12:20] best. Listen to this quote.
[01:12:23] Political realists see the world as it
[01:12:25] is, an arena of power politics moved
[01:12:28] primarily by perceived immediate
[01:12:30] self-interests,
[01:12:32] where morality is rhetorical rationale
[01:12:34] for expedient action and self-interest.
[01:12:37] And by the way, Charlie understood
[01:12:39] understood how self-interest works. He
[01:12:41] told me
[01:12:43] as a political realist, he's also a
[01:12:45] Christian, that most people are
[01:12:47] motivated by power, money, and sex. He
[01:12:50] knew that
[01:12:52] two quote two examples would be the
[01:12:54] priest who wants to be bishop and
[01:12:56] bootlicks and politics his way up
[01:12:58] justifying it with the rationale quote
[01:13:00] after I get to bishop I'll use my office
[01:13:02] for Christian reformation or the
[01:13:04] businesswoman who reasons first I'll
[01:13:06] make my million dollars and after that
[01:13:08] I'll go for the real things in life.
[01:13:12] Unfortunately, one changes in many ways
[01:13:15] on the road to being the first bishop or
[01:13:18] the first millionaire.
[01:13:20] And then one says, "I'll just wait until
[01:13:22] I'm cardinal and then I can be more
[01:13:24] effective or I can do a lot more after I
[01:13:27] get to 2 million and so forth and so it
[01:13:29] goes."
[01:13:31] In this world, laws are written for the
[01:13:33] lofty aim of the common good and then
[01:13:35] acted out in life on the basis of the
[01:13:37] common greed.
[01:13:40] In this world, irrationality clings to a
[01:13:42] man like his shadow, so that the right
[01:13:45] things are done for the wrong reasons,
[01:13:48] and afterwards we dredge up the right
[01:13:49] reasons for justification.
[01:13:52] It is not a world of angels, but of
[01:13:54] angles, where men speak of moral
[01:13:57] principles, but act on power principles.
[01:14:00] A world where we are always moral and
[01:14:03] our enemies somehow always immoral. A
[01:14:06] world where reconciliation means that
[01:14:08] one one side gets the power and the
[01:14:10] other side gets reconciled to it. Then
[01:14:13] we have reconciliation.
[01:14:17] You know what the legacy of Charlie Kirk
[01:14:20] here is? Do the right things for the
[01:14:22] right reasons.
[01:14:25] Do the right things for the right
[01:14:26] reasons. Don't wait until you're a
[01:14:27] millionaire to make a difference. Don't
[01:14:29] wait until it's safe to make a
[01:14:30] difference.
[01:14:32] Another quote by Saul Linsky. quote,
[01:14:36] "It is the nadier of immorality." That
[01:14:39] means lowest point, the do-s.
[01:14:43] This is the nadier of immorality.
[01:14:46] The most immoral evil thing that all you
[01:14:49] out there could do is to do nothing.
[01:14:54] What are you doing it? To feed your
[01:14:55] children.
[01:14:58] To be safe.
[01:15:01] Talk to Kelsey Goodman and Rick about
[01:15:03] that.
[01:15:04] The most unethical of all means is the
[01:15:06] non-use of any means.
[01:15:09] The non-doers were the ones who chose
[01:15:11] not to fight the evil throughout
[01:15:13] history.
[01:15:14] And the only way they could have been
[01:15:16] fought. They were the ones who drew
[01:15:18] their window blinds to shut out the
[01:15:19] shameful spectacle and political
[01:15:21] prisoners being dragged to the streets.
[01:15:24] And they were the ones who privately
[01:15:26] privately deplore the horror of it all.
[01:15:29] And they did nothing.
[01:15:36] It's a disgrace.
[01:15:43] And speaking of PE and so I'm going to
[01:15:45] only talk to people who
[01:15:47] >> have done the thing or about to do the
[01:15:50] thing.
[01:15:51] Forgive me for being so blunt, but the
[01:15:54] time is now. We're going to have callers
[01:15:57] on the air to talk about their stories
[01:15:58] and they're going to do something about
[01:16:00] it. And we have a man named Mark.
[01:16:03] We have calls coming in from people who
[01:16:05] want to expose evil. Go ahead, Mark.
[01:16:06] You're on the air live. My Price is My
[01:16:08] Life.
[01:16:11] >> I'm Mr. Show. How are you today?
[01:16:13] >> I'm good. Tell me about what's going on.
[01:16:18] >> So, um, my name is Mark. I was a student
[01:16:22] at John Carroll University. It's a
[01:16:25] Jesuit school in Cleveland, Ohio. And I
[01:16:28] was felt depressed just from day one.
[01:16:32] You know, I originally wanted to go
[01:16:33] there because I was very deep out in my
[01:16:35] face wanting to give back. And then from
[01:16:39] trying to find college Republicans or
[01:16:41] the TPS USA chapter, there was no
[01:16:43] advertisements allowed. I professors
[01:16:47] saying without saying that the Catholic
[01:16:49] vote could uh only vote for the other
[01:16:52] side due to with illegal immigration, we
[01:16:55] should be welcoming our neighbors so and
[01:16:58] so forth. And even when we I finally
[01:17:00] joined and found college Republicans and
[01:17:03] CPS USA, we had multiple events shot
[01:17:05] down for concerns be one was even just
[01:17:09] having a debate of the people running
[01:17:11] for Ohio Senate. But the main reason why
[01:17:14] I was calling in today was uh two posts
[01:17:16] made by professors at the school
[01:17:19] concerning and celebrating the death of
[01:17:21] Charlie Kirk and one of celebrated Luigi
[01:17:24] Maneloney beautifying him as a saint on
[01:17:27] his Instagram profile.
[01:17:31] >> And you're the uh and and you worked at
[01:17:33] the school or or what's your position?
[01:17:37] >> I was uh chief of staff. I have just
[01:17:39] graduated this year and currently in uh
[01:17:42] graduate school
[01:17:44] >> and uh and you you witnessed this uh
[01:17:46] this is John Carol. Can you talk about
[01:17:49] what you witnessed?
[01:17:52] >> Um yeah, like I mentioned uh in the past
[01:17:56] and when these posts were made aware to
[01:17:57] me, I called the alumni office first and
[01:18:00] sent an email to the dean of students on
[01:18:04] September 14th. I called earlier on
[01:18:07] Friday. um saying like, "Hey, I was made
[01:18:10] aware of this. Is the school made aware
[01:18:12] of this?" And they said, "We weren't.
[01:18:13] We'll give you a call right back." Well,
[01:18:16] I never got a call back that Friday. And
[01:18:18] about 15 20 minutes later, the one
[01:18:20] professor, uh, Philip Metress, that the
[01:18:23] other professor that wasn't shown
[01:18:25] magically deleted his post. I tried to
[01:18:28] follow up Monday. They said, "Sorry,
[01:18:31] things got messed up. We'll give you a
[01:18:33] call back." about 15 minutes later, his
[01:18:35] whole Instagram was just completely
[01:18:37] scrubbed and it was uh private.
[01:18:41] >> Have they tried to
[01:18:42] >> uh when I try to follow up?
[01:18:44] >> Go ahead.
[01:18:45] >> When I tried to follow up Wednesday,
[01:18:46] they um when I tried to follow up
[01:18:48] Wednesday, they just would not answer my
[01:18:50] calls and the email has not been
[01:18:52] responded to as well.
[01:18:55] >> Um have they retaliated against you?
[01:18:59] >> Um they have not. they just try to brush
[01:19:02] things under the rug and don't really
[01:19:04] try to, you know, draw too much light to
[01:19:06] them. It's a smaller division three
[01:19:08] school. It's not going to get the uh
[01:19:11] publicity as say Clemson. But I just
[01:19:13] feel that regardless of the university
[01:19:15] that people should be hold equally
[01:19:17] accountable despite where they uh may
[01:19:20] hold in terms of sports or in terms of
[01:19:22] academics.
[01:19:24] >> Is there any video or audio recordings
[01:19:26] of of the lab director celebrating the
[01:19:28] assassination?
[01:19:31] Um I do not I can forward uh social
[01:19:34] media posts to you. Um he talked he
[01:19:38] quoted Oscar Wild you know many uh
[01:19:41] people um trying to find the Oscar Wild
[01:19:44] post but was the one where people die
[01:19:46] and he was not one of them. He said like
[01:19:49] he was a fascist who weaponized
[01:19:51] language. I'm supposed to like clutch my
[01:19:53] pearls. and on his uh Instagram page, he
[01:19:57] has multiple pictures of like Mangaloney
[01:20:00] as a saint uh for some reason.
[01:20:04] >> Well, thank you. Thank you for the uh
[01:20:06] thank you for the call and uh remember
[01:20:09] that
[01:20:10] >> we're looking for recordings of these
[01:20:11] people. We want to shame the devil in
[01:20:14] the schools. We appreciate you uh
[01:20:16] exposing what's happening there at John
[01:20:19] Carroll University. Um, Clarissa is also
[01:20:23] another whistleblower blew the whistle
[01:20:26] on unaccompanied children contracts in
[01:20:28] the federal government after the film
[01:20:30] Line in the Sand. Clarissa, are you
[01:20:33] there?
[01:20:35] >> I am here, James. How are you today?
[01:20:37] >> Clarissa, I don't know if you heard me
[01:20:39] talking to uh the other whistleblowers.
[01:20:42] Um, I'd love to have you at our event
[01:20:46] November 13th at the Mara Lago
[01:20:49] and I'd love to honor you whether you
[01:20:51] can make it or not.
[01:20:53] >> Whether you can make it or not.
[01:20:54] >> citizenjournalistgala.com.journalistg.com.
[01:21:01] >> Clarissa, I think you're streaming on
[01:21:02] your end, so the volume might be coming
[01:21:04] through your phone. If you want to turn
[01:21:05] the volume down on your stream on your
[01:21:07] end.
[01:21:09] >> Okay, hold up for just a moment. But as
[01:21:11] you do that, Clarissa,
[01:21:14] again, these are the bravest people I've
[01:21:15] ever met in my life, blew the whistle on
[01:21:18] unaccompanied child contracts to the
[01:21:20] federal government and paid a price. But
[01:21:23] you know, the price Clarissa did not pay
[01:21:26] is her life the way that Charlie Kirk
[01:21:28] paid. But Clarissa did pay a price.
[01:21:31] Everyone that we're talking to on the
[01:21:32] air has paid a price. And Clarissa, I'd
[01:21:35] love your thoughts. you you you had some
[01:21:37] profound things to say last time we were
[01:21:39] together at the movie theater in
[01:21:41] California when when you said what I
[01:21:44] know cannot be unknown or something to
[01:21:47] that effect and I'd like your your
[01:21:49] reaction to the death of Charlie Kirk
[01:21:51] and how you're feeling this week.
[01:21:55] >> Can you hear me? Okay.
[01:21:57] >> Yep, we can hear you fine. And you are
[01:21:59] live.
[01:21:59] >> Okay. Okay. All right. Well, first of
[01:22:02] all, um I was heartbroken.
[01:22:07] I was at work and when that happened. Um
[01:22:10] and I literally burst in tears because I
[01:22:14] have
[01:22:16] followed um Charlie since about 2016,
[01:22:20] 2017.
[01:22:22] and
[01:22:25] him being so young and someone that
[01:22:28] stands firmly on the word of God, that
[01:22:31] that's what truly
[01:22:34] made me follow him because he no matter
[01:22:37] what, he was so gracious and so kind and
[01:22:41] and and so loving toward
[01:22:45] everyone. He didn't have to do what he
[01:22:48] did, but he knew that was his gift from
[01:22:52] God and his calling.
[01:22:55] And
[01:22:56] he stood on what I call his his 3s,
[01:23:00] which is faith, family, and freedom. And
[01:23:02] me being a military veteran
[01:23:05] and a Christian first,
[01:23:07] it just galvanized my support for him.
[01:23:11] So I prayed for him, his family, for for
[01:23:16] Erica, their children, his parents, his
[01:23:19] siblings. And I just know that our world
[01:23:25] will never ever be the same. Um he was
[01:23:29] he was stolen from us. And but one of
[01:23:33] the things I will say,
[01:23:36] the devil overplayed his hand.
[01:23:38] >> Yes, he did. And now we're all
[01:23:40] galvanized together and we are going to
[01:23:44] on our little corners of the world
[01:23:46] scream
[01:23:48] faith, family, and freedom. They cannot
[01:23:51] stop us now. and and Corsa, speak about
[01:23:55] your experience as a federal government
[01:23:57] employee, contractor
[01:24:00] exposed what you exposed with the
[01:24:03] >> money given to these groups that help
[01:24:07] unaccompanied migrant children, which is
[01:24:10] a form of trafficking because it
[01:24:12] facilitates it. And and have you you've
[01:24:15] paid a little bit of a price in exposing
[01:24:18] that, haven't you?
[01:24:22] It's kind of strange. Um, well, for the
[01:24:25] audience listening, I
[01:24:28] became privy to a contract that the
[01:24:32] General Services Administration had
[01:24:34] awarded to
[01:24:36] several companies to transport what they
[01:24:39] called you um,
[01:24:43] AC's unacam
[01:24:45] unaccompanied minors.
[01:24:47] And I was taken aback because I could
[01:24:52] not
[01:24:53] wrap my brain around why the federal
[01:24:56] government was transporting
[01:24:59] children in the middle of the night.
[01:25:01] When I say the middle of the night,
[01:25:03] we're talking 1 2:00 in the morning.
[01:25:06] Times where we normally would be asleep
[01:25:09] and and not be aware of what's going on.
[01:25:12] But because of my job and what I saw,
[01:25:20] I realized I was a part of an
[01:25:22] organization that basically was a huge
[01:25:26] child trafficking ring. And I it broke
[01:25:31] me, you know, and and like I had shared
[01:25:34] with you and and a few others that what
[01:25:38] I knew I could not unknow and I couldn't
[01:25:43] keep it to myself. I didn't know what to
[01:25:44] do with that information at first. And a
[01:25:47] couple of months later, you had posted
[01:25:49] something on X, I believe, about
[01:25:52] uh child trafficking. It was the the
[01:25:55] line in the sand documentary that was
[01:25:56] coming out and and you had asked uh
[01:25:59] individuals to get in touch with with
[01:26:00] you if they had any information and
[01:26:04] that's when I knew that's why the Lord
[01:26:06] had dropped that in my lap
[01:26:09] was because he needed me to do something
[01:26:12] with that information. But but Clarissa,
[01:26:14] what separates you from
[01:26:17] pretty much everybody else with the
[01:26:19] exception of a few is that you actually
[01:26:22] did it. You work for the government and
[01:26:26] you chose to take the action.
[01:26:29] And that's very inspiring to me and
[01:26:31] inspiring to other people. It was
[01:26:32] incredibly inspiring. Everyone in that
[01:26:34] movie theater was crying when you when
[01:26:36] you said what you said
[01:26:37] >> about what what I have learned cannot be
[01:26:40] unlearned. What I know cannot be
[01:26:41] unknown. You're talking about knowledge.
[01:26:43] You're talking about
[01:26:44] >> in the enlightenment of humanity from
[01:26:48] the evil that you've seen that you must
[01:26:50] do something about it. So can you just
[01:26:55] tell the world what is the thing that
[01:26:58] inspired you to take action and how can
[01:27:00] other people do likewise?
[01:27:05] What what inspired me and motivated me
[01:27:08] to take action is I am a mother. I am a
[01:27:13] grandmother.
[01:27:15] And
[01:27:16] the first thing that hit me was those
[01:27:20] children,
[01:27:21] those babies,
[01:27:23] they don't have they don't have their
[01:27:26] mothers, their fathers, their
[01:27:27] grandparents. you know that there are
[01:27:30] there are mothers and fathers and
[01:27:31] grandmothers and grandfathers who who
[01:27:34] are missing their babies and and and I
[01:27:37] could not imagine
[01:27:39] I could not imagine waking up one day
[01:27:42] and hearing one of my children say my
[01:27:45] child is gone
[01:27:47] and not knowing where they are. and to
[01:27:51] be part of an entity
[01:27:54] that
[01:27:57] paid for this. The disappearing of
[01:28:00] children broke my heart. It It broke me.
[01:28:03] And I just every time I would go to
[01:28:05] work, it was the hardest thing for me to
[01:28:07] do was to sit there and have this
[01:28:10] information and know about it. And these
[01:28:12] people just wake up every day and do
[01:28:14] their jobs and act like nothing ever
[01:28:16] happened.
[01:28:18] So my motivation were I have children
[01:28:23] and grandchildren.
[01:28:26] >> Well, that's as good as the motivation
[01:28:27] of any. I mean, I would think that most
[01:28:29] people listening to that might want to
[01:28:31] want to not do the deed because they
[01:28:34] have children. In your case, you did do
[01:28:36] the action because you have children.
[01:28:38] And that's very inspiring.
[01:28:40] >> Absolutely.
[01:28:40] >> And Clarissa, can you make it to our
[01:28:43] We're having a citizen journalism awards
[01:28:45] and we intend to honor you in November
[01:28:46] 13th. Are you able to come to Mara Lago
[01:28:49] with us?
[01:28:49] >> I will be I will definitely be there.
[01:28:52] >> Oh, I I'm so happy to hear that.
[01:28:54] Citizenjournalistgala.com
[01:28:58] if you want to support us and support
[01:29:00] these whistleblowers.
[01:29:02] Citizenjournalistgala.com.
[01:29:06] You can go to Mara Lago November 13th,
[01:29:09] the home of President Trump. We host the
[01:29:11] first annual citizen journalism awards
[01:29:13] where we're going. Seats are limited.
[01:29:15] There you have it. November 13th. You
[01:29:17] have to buy the ticket. It's not cheap.
[01:29:20] But you know what? Legal bills aren't
[01:29:22] cheap. We're working on that. By the
[01:29:24] way, we're trying to hire some lawyers
[01:29:26] in house and that also costs money.
[01:29:29] Everything costs money. Um hopefully we
[01:29:32] go chat GBT with the legal and I go
[01:29:35] prosay and I and then my my life will
[01:29:38] really be in danger because I'll be
[01:29:40] threatening the American Bar
[01:29:41] Association,
[01:29:43] you know, start start making the lawyers
[01:29:45] irrelevant and then my life is now in
[01:29:47] danger.
[01:29:48] But I hope that you come to Mara Lago
[01:29:51] November 13th and Clarissa, thank you so
[01:29:53] much for making the time and it's so
[01:29:55] good to hear your voice and you inspire
[01:29:58] me. people people like you are what keep
[01:30:02] me going. I just I I just I just wanted
[01:30:04] you to know that.
[01:30:05] >> I want you to know that.
[01:30:06] >> Well, thank you.
[01:30:07] >> Thank you for allowing me to share my
[01:30:09] story and I am looking forward to seeing
[01:30:11] you all again and I pray for you all
[01:30:13] every day
[01:30:14] >> and I think of you and blessed
[01:30:16] >> we're going to do our best to help all
[01:30:18] of you. Um so thank you. Um I wanted to
[01:30:21] go to Heather from Give Send Go.
[01:30:23] Heather's been very patient. You've all
[01:30:25] been very patient. Heather from Give
[01:30:28] Send Go. This is the competitor to
[01:30:31] GoFundMe, the Christian alternative to
[01:30:35] to GoFundMe. Heather, you there?
[01:30:38] >> I am. And we call ourselves the
[01:30:40] replacement because we are going to
[01:30:42] replace GoFundMe because when somebody
[01:30:45] goes and decides to cut down half their
[01:30:47] campaigns because they just disagree,
[01:30:49] they should be replaced. That's what I
[01:30:51] say.
[01:30:52] >> Replacement. Um to go to GoFundMe.
[01:30:56] Um, Heather, you you with Jacob Wells
[01:31:00] are running this website, raising money
[01:31:02] for the Kirk family, for Charlie Kirk.
[01:31:04] >> Can you just give everyone a summary for
[01:31:06] how it's going? Uh, uh, the financial
[01:31:09] support for Charlie Kirk
[01:31:12] >> and and how where that stands.
[01:31:16] >> Sure. And so we saw a campaign pop up
[01:31:18] immediately after the tragedy of the
[01:31:20] assassination where um Liberty memes saw
[01:31:25] what happened and decided to step in and
[01:31:27] say I'm going to just start a campaign.
[01:31:28] We will figure out how to get it to the
[01:31:30] Kirk family. And that's what we love
[01:31:31] about Gizendo is that when you see
[01:31:34] something, you don't have to wait. You
[01:31:36] can just step in and do something. And
[01:31:37] that campaign started taking off. People
[01:31:39] wanted to find a way to do something.
[01:31:41] And then shortly after we saw a campaign
[01:31:44] from um Dr. Carl Carlson's group and
[01:31:48] Glenn Beck's group um and then TPUSA an
[01:31:51] official campaign as well all people
[01:31:54] wanting to raise money for this family
[01:31:56] um to share hope with them through this
[01:31:58] devastating time. We've seen over $9
[01:32:00] million come in this week.
[01:32:03] >> $9 million have come in.
[01:32:06] >> And And is this just one page? I see
[01:32:09] support the Kirk family or how many
[01:32:11] pages are there that you guys are
[01:32:13] raising money for Charlie Kirk?
[01:32:16] >> I know there's the Tucker campaign, the
[01:32:18] Glen Beck campaign, TPUSA and Liberty
[01:32:20] memes um right now are the ones that I I
[01:32:23] know about. Um, and then you know along
[01:32:27] with that we see the money coming in and
[01:32:29] there's like $100,000 donations and
[01:32:31] there's $5 donations. And that's the
[01:32:34] beauty of crowdfunding is that it really
[01:32:37] is a crowd being able to let their voice
[01:32:39] be heard. You might not have $50 to
[01:32:42] give, but you can give $5 and be a part
[01:32:44] of something bigger than you are. We
[01:32:46] have seen over 10,000 prayer messages be
[01:32:50] sent to this family because we unlike
[01:32:52] the other platforms, we have a button.
[01:32:54] Not only can you give, but you can send
[01:32:55] a message of hope and prayer to the
[01:32:57] family and let them know. And we've seen
[01:32:59] over 10,000 people click that button to
[01:33:02] leave a message for this family letting
[01:33:04] them know that they're not alone, that
[01:33:05] they're being prayed for and and things
[01:33:08] like that. And we see that that often is
[01:33:12] just if not more impactful for the
[01:33:14] family than the money.
[01:33:16] >> Um yeah. Yeah. I see there's a pray
[01:33:19] button on give son go. And uh there's
[01:33:22] 8,500 prayers. Uh 22,000 people have
[01:33:27] given $2.1 million just to support the
[01:33:29] Kirk family on giveo the replacement for
[01:33:33] GoFundMe. I've worked with you guys
[01:33:34] before on whistleblowers and in fact
[01:33:38] nonprofit philanthropy and moss is is
[01:33:40] allows people to be independent because
[01:33:42] nobody tells you what to do when they're
[01:33:45] funding you when there's so many people
[01:33:46] funding you. Um anything else Heather
[01:33:49] you want to say uh regarding the
[01:33:51] campaign with Gibs and Go?
[01:33:54] >> Yeah, there's actually again it's been
[01:33:56] over $9 million. I know you're seeing
[01:33:58] the one that just got started by TPUA
[01:34:01] which was later in the week. There's
[01:34:03] been over 9 million between the four
[01:34:04] campaigns um and over 10,000 prayer
[01:34:07] messages. And as you know, Jacob and I
[01:34:09] are Jacob's my brother co-founders. And
[01:34:12] as we're getting ready, we're he's
[01:34:14] traveling up to Canada to meet me up
[01:34:15] here. We're speaking this weekend. And
[01:34:17] as I saw your
[01:34:20] uh you know, Jacob said, "Hey, you
[01:34:21] should call in." I saw behind you it
[01:34:24] said, "The price is my life." And I was
[01:34:27] like, I that might be what I speak on
[01:34:30] this weekend because this is the call
[01:34:32] we've had enough of just sitting behind
[01:34:34] a computer and watching Charlie Kirk and
[01:34:36] James O'Keefe and and everybody else do
[01:34:39] the things the hard things. We all need
[01:34:42] to step up and do the hard thing. There
[01:34:44] is going to be a cost of courage.
[01:34:47] There's going to be because truth has
[01:34:49] never been cheap. It will always cost
[01:34:50] you something. And so I just want to
[01:34:52] encourage all the listeners here to not
[01:34:55] just be listeners but to be doers.
[01:34:59] >> Well,
[01:35:00] >> go out, let your voice be heard. That is
[01:35:02] what we have.
[01:35:02] >> And you know what I the reason Heather I
[01:35:04] I I reached out to Jacob and and you're
[01:35:07] on the air here is because not everyone
[01:35:09] can do the thing. I recognize that not
[01:35:11] everyone is willing to run into a be on
[01:35:14] the front lines, but if you're not going
[01:35:16] to be on the front lines, you need to
[01:35:17] financially support the people who do.
[01:35:19] It's that simple. or you can do nothing.
[01:35:22] But, but I'm and I say this on every
[01:35:24] show I go on and every speech I give,
[01:35:27] whining, complaining, and bitching
[01:35:30] doesn't count. That doesn't count as
[01:35:32] making a difference. You talking about
[01:35:34] the the things you're going to do
[01:35:36] doesn't count. You can either go on give
[01:35:38] and go and support these people. You can
[01:35:42] go do the thing yourself or you can do
[01:35:44] nothing. Thank you, Heather. Thank you,
[01:35:47] Heather from Give and Go. So, thank you,
[01:35:49] James, for what you do.
[01:35:50] >> Thank you.
[01:35:51] >> Uh, we're going to go to Michael Greco
[01:35:54] from Disney and then we're going to go
[01:35:55] to a break so that I may use the
[01:35:57] bathroom and drink some water. Uh, my
[01:36:00] price is my hydration.
[01:36:02] My price is my being able to urinate.
[01:36:06] Um,
[01:36:08] we're going to go to Michael. Michael
[01:36:09] from Disney, are you there?
[01:36:13] >> Yes, I'm here. Good to talk to you, KJ.
[01:36:15] >> Good to talk to you. And um
[01:36:19] if those of you listening, these
[01:36:21] whistleblowers have lost their jobs,
[01:36:24] lost their pensions. Michael Greco
[01:36:26] exposed DEI from Disney. Michael, you
[01:36:29] were on stage at Turning Point. I don't
[01:36:32] know if you guys can pull up that clip
[01:36:34] while Michael is talking. If uh the
[01:36:36] producers could pull up the video from
[01:36:39] December 2024.
[01:36:42] Uh we'll we'll cut to that in a minute.
[01:36:44] But Michael Greco exposed DEI within
[01:36:48] Walt Disney Company. Everyone told me
[01:36:52] not to expose Disney because they wanted
[01:36:55] me to get my movie distributed, blah
[01:36:56] blah blah. And um that's not how I roll.
[01:37:00] So, Michael, you're the brave individual
[01:37:02] who brought forward the screenshot
[01:37:04] sewing showing Disney transitioning uh
[01:37:07] children or paying for such things and
[01:37:10] helped corroborate various pieces of
[01:37:12] information. What is your reaction to
[01:37:14] Charlie Kirk's death, his legacy,
[01:37:17] courage, and inspiring other people to
[01:37:20] follow in the footsteps of brave people
[01:37:22] such as yourself?
[01:37:25] >> Well, I'm glad you brought up uh the
[01:37:28] Amst uh event because that was really a
[01:37:31] turning point in my life, no pun
[01:37:33] intended. Um when when it worked for
[01:37:36] Disney, I had this feeling that this
[01:37:39] wasn't right. You know, I'm getting a
[01:37:42] paycheck. I'm making a living there. You
[01:37:45] know, there was something burning inside
[01:37:46] me saying this is not right. I can't
[01:37:49] support a company that's doing this kind
[01:37:51] of thing to children
[01:37:53] and and I just couldn't live with it
[01:37:55] anymore. So that's when I contacted you
[01:37:58] and later and you invited me to the fest
[01:38:05] and
[01:38:07] when I got the fest I didn't know what
[01:38:09] to expect. I'm not really a religious
[01:38:11] person. At least I wasn't at that time.
[01:38:16] And
[01:38:18] I I was overwhelmed
[01:38:20] by the kindness and the love and the the
[01:38:25] good nature of all the people that I met
[01:38:28] there.
[01:38:29] And it was at that moment that I
[01:38:32] realized
[01:38:34] that I was
[01:38:36] neither one of those
[01:38:40] things.
[01:38:43] >> It was the Lord telling me this is what
[01:38:45] you should do. This is the right thing
[01:38:47] to do. And it took down these wonderful
[01:38:52] people. And what that means to me is,
[01:38:55] you know, they they say that
[01:38:59] um you know somebody by the company they
[01:39:02] keep, right?
[01:39:04] And you also know somebody by in in
[01:39:08] today's world the followers that they
[01:39:10] have. And I never met Charlie, but the
[01:39:15] followers were everybody who was there
[01:39:19] was so kind and loving that I
[01:39:24] it and so faithful to the Lord that I
[01:39:27] started to change and I started to
[01:39:30] realize
[01:39:32] that
[01:39:33] this is the right path, you know, to
[01:39:35] follow what the Lord tells you to do in
[01:39:37] your heart.
[01:39:39] And when Charlie died, I I felt so much
[01:39:43] grief because it wasn't I didn't know
[01:39:45] Charlie personally, but it was like all
[01:39:48] those people, all those wonderful faces
[01:39:50] that I met and then died in my heart,
[01:39:55] you know, and that's kind of grief.
[01:39:57] >> You said you were not a religious
[01:40:00] person, but did you find God in your
[01:40:04] journey or at what point did you find
[01:40:06] God? Was it then? Was it afterwards?
[01:40:09] Are you a religious person now or you
[01:40:12] >> then
[01:40:14] I'm more and more a religious person and
[01:40:17] I more and more
[01:40:19] have things to give not control
[01:40:22] everything this worldly life is but to
[01:40:25] give it to the Lord and have him do with
[01:40:28] me what he knows and it it changes your
[01:40:31] life when you come to that realization
[01:40:33] because
[01:40:36] he does provide. Yes. Yes. I had some
[01:40:38] setbacks, right? You know, off my job
[01:40:40] and a good one, you know, for money, but
[01:40:45] um but the Lord is send me a different
[01:40:48] direction and and I end up doing fine.
[01:40:52] >> Yeah. Let's play team. Let's play.
[01:40:54] Michael, I want to I want to Michael,
[01:40:55] hold on one second. I want to play the
[01:40:56] the the clip. I This is This is really
[01:40:59] moving. And some of the most moving
[01:41:02] things I've seen come from people like
[01:41:04] you who are not trained public speakers.
[01:41:07] You just speak from the heart. In fact,
[01:41:09] it's more moving than than trained
[01:41:11] public speaker. So, if we could just
[01:41:12] play this clip from Amfest, Charlie
[01:41:14] Kirk's America Fest Turning Point USA
[01:41:16] 2024, Michael Greco from Disney coming
[01:41:19] on stage. If you could play the clip,
[01:41:21] please.
[01:41:22] [Applause]
[01:41:26] >> This is you, Michael,
[01:41:31] >> and the other guys on stage.
[01:41:35] Now Disney Disney fired this man. He
[01:41:38] they fired him for bringing to Port
[01:41:41] Revelation. He's a hero.
[01:41:44] [Music]
[01:41:46] >> I worked at Disney for six years
[01:41:51] and I was a software engineering manager
[01:41:54] and what I did over there increased
[01:41:57] their operational efficiency. Right? I
[01:42:00] was saving them money. I was doing the
[01:42:02] good work, right? trying to help my
[01:42:05] company. But then I started to discover
[01:42:09] what they were actually doing with the
[01:42:12] money that I was saving.
[01:42:14] They were supporting organizations
[01:42:18] that
[01:42:20] are transitioning young children
[01:42:29] >> young children once they're in this
[01:42:32] transitioning into the LGBT community.
[01:42:36] They will never be the same. They are
[01:42:40] destroying our children.
[01:42:43] They fought hard against the parental
[01:42:47] rights act that Governor Dantis put in
[01:42:52] to keep parents to have rights over
[01:42:56] their children. Right?
[01:42:59] They
[01:43:02] fought against banning
[01:43:05] teachers
[01:43:06] from
[01:43:08] indoctrinating our children into the
[01:43:10] LGBT community.
[01:43:13] And for that they retaliated. They fired
[01:43:16] me. They didn't even pay me my bonus.
[01:43:22] >> And pause the video for a second. Pause.
[01:43:25] We're going to watch the rest of this.
[01:43:26] But they they just Mike, real quick. I'm
[01:43:28] going to watch the rest of this, but
[01:43:30] you're on stage. They they you say that
[01:43:32] they fired you and they retaliated
[01:43:34] against you
[01:43:36] for they just walked you out of Disney
[01:43:38] headquarters or just tell us how that
[01:43:40] worked cuz you paid a price for exposing
[01:43:43] this. What was that price? They just did
[01:43:45] they give you two weeks pay or what
[01:43:47] happened.
[01:43:50] >> They didn't give you anything. They they
[01:43:52] walked me out. Uh I lost my uh my focus.
[01:43:58] Right. So their fiscal year ends in
[01:44:01] October. This happened after October. I
[01:44:04] worked an entire year. Had excellent
[01:44:08] results. No bonus. Right. And I even I
[01:44:11] even contacted them and talked to them
[01:44:13] about it. I said, "No, I talked to my
[01:44:15] old boss said, "Look, you guys owe me a
[01:44:16] bonus. I work the entire year." No, we
[01:44:18] don't get bonuses. People are gone. You
[01:44:21] know, they're like, "Oh, okay,
[01:44:22] whatever." But, you know, just take
[01:44:26] that. It's it it it's those are small
[01:44:29] things, James. I mean, yeah, I was I was
[01:44:31] scared in the beginning, you know,
[01:44:33] because here I am, you know, just
[01:44:36] looking for a job again and I'm not
[01:44:38] super young anymore, right? So, I'm
[01:44:40] like, how am I going to do this? But,
[01:44:43] um, it was scary in the beginning, but I
[01:44:46] started to trust, um, whatever the Lord
[01:44:48] wants for me, it's going to happen. So,
[01:44:51] >> let's let's watch the rest of this.
[01:44:52] Let's watch the rest of these remarks
[01:44:54] that you gave on stage. Go ahead.
[01:45:00] >> Disney has no right to interfere with a
[01:45:04] parent and their children.
[01:45:13] >> They have no right to interfere in our
[01:45:16] politics
[01:45:17] because we are the people of the United
[01:45:20] States and I'm going to count, not
[01:45:23] theirs. We have special Mike Casey. Mike
[01:45:27] Casey and uh my assistant can come on
[01:45:30] stage. We have a special gift for you. I
[01:45:32] did not tell him this, but we are going
[01:45:34] to give you your bonus.
[01:45:36] >> $100,000.
[01:45:38] Oh god.
[01:45:40] >> So, we gave we gave Greco a gift from
[01:45:42] our foundation to assist him after being
[01:45:45] fired.
[01:45:46] >> We're going to be there to thank you
[01:45:47] guys. We call upon everyone inside the
[01:45:50] government to step forward and we will
[01:45:52] see you tonight and make America brave
[01:45:55] again.
[01:45:58] >> So, so Mike, you know, um what is your
[01:46:00] message for people who are on the edge
[01:46:03] teetering but they are afraid? You're a
[01:46:06] Disney whistleblower who lost your job.
[01:46:13] First thing I have after that video, I
[01:46:15] have to thank you guys from the bottom
[01:46:17] of my heart for getting me back on my
[01:46:19] feet. That was beautiful. Thank you. Um,
[01:46:23] but if if you're afraid to do something,
[01:46:27] look inside your heart. What is right?
[01:46:30] Because the job gives you comfort. But
[01:46:34] what good is that comfort if you if if
[01:46:38] it's eating you up inside? you know
[01:46:40] what's wrong. Don't ignore those
[01:46:43] feelings in your heart that tells you
[01:46:45] something's not right.
[01:46:49] I have to do something about it. Because
[01:46:51] if you don't, who will?
[01:46:53] There is no other guy who's going to do
[01:46:55] that or girl. You You have to do it. If
[01:47:00] you have the calling and you have the
[01:47:01] feeling,
[01:47:03] you do it. And at least you can live in
[01:47:06] peace, you know, with yourself. And
[01:47:09] that's more important than the paycheck.
[01:47:13] >> Michael Greco from Disney. Thank you
[01:47:15] very much. And uh Citizen Journalist
[01:47:17] Gala November 13th, Trump's Mara Lago.
[01:47:21] Let's keep this up on the screen. I'm
[01:47:23] going
[01:47:23] >> 100%.
[01:47:25] >> You will be there. Uh Michael Greco from
[01:47:27] Disney will be there. We're going to
[01:47:28] keep this up for a few minutes. We'll be
[01:47:30] right back. Price is my life special
[01:47:32] call-in live edition. We're going to go
[01:47:34] for another hour here at OMG
[01:47:37] headquarters in West Palm Beach and uh
[01:47:40] we will leave that on the screen team.
[01:47:42] Leave that on the screen uh for people
[01:47:44] to look at so that they may register to
[01:47:46] the to attend the Maral log. We're going
[01:47:48] to have a few awards. We're going to
[01:47:50] have the citizen journalism awards, the
[01:47:52] whistleblower awards, and we're going to
[01:47:54] have an award honoring Charlie Kirk.
[01:47:56] We're going to give it to someone who
[01:47:58] lived lived like Charlie Kirk did or at
[01:48:00] least emulated him. I don't think any of
[01:48:03] us lived the way that Charlie Kirk did,
[01:48:06] but I guess people who exhibit greatness
[01:48:08] and goodness. So, we'll leave that on
[01:48:10] the screen for a couple minutes. There's
[01:48:12] our call-in number, and I'm going to go
[01:48:14] to the bathroom. I'll be right back.
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[02:01:31] Hello everyone. Welcome back to Price is
[02:01:33] my life. Thank you for waiting. Uh we
[02:01:37] have the Mara Lago event up there
[02:01:39] November 13th, the Citizen Journalism
[02:01:41] Awards. We're going to be giving out
[02:01:43] awards to our citizen journalists, the
[02:01:45] best citizen journalists in the country.
[02:01:46] We're going to be honoring
[02:01:47] whistleblowers. We're going to have an
[02:01:50] award honoring Charlie Kirk. And this
[02:01:52] coming Monday in Arizona, we're going to
[02:01:55] have a training. O'Keefe Media.com.
[02:01:58] Click the banner on the page to register
[02:02:01] and we'll send you that address. And we
[02:02:04] have a couple more people. But before we
[02:02:06] get to David Nelson, I recognize you
[02:02:08] people have been waiting for hours and I
[02:02:10] apologize. We've had so many callers. I
[02:02:13] just want to pull up tell a brief story
[02:02:16] about Charlie um and this this moment on
[02:02:19] the pastor's conference. Can you pull up
[02:02:21] that pastor's conference? This is the
[02:02:22] video.
[02:02:23] >> Yeah, this this is this is a clip.
[02:02:25] Charlie um many of you may not know
[02:02:27] this, but Charlie was really behind the
[02:02:29] scenes helping me. And after I was fired
[02:02:31] from Project Veritas, Charlie in fact
[02:02:33] called my board members and tried to
[02:02:37] talk sense into them. And shortly after
[02:02:40] this happened, he brought me to this uh
[02:02:42] turning point faith, brought me on stage
[02:02:45] and uh prayed for me. And he he was
[02:02:49] incredible how many things he did for so
[02:02:51] many people. He helped so many people
[02:02:54] behind the scenes in addition to being a
[02:02:55] public face. He had a three-hour show.
[02:02:59] He ran a hundred million dollar
[02:03:00] nonprofit. He was a political community
[02:03:02] organizer. He helped in the transition
[02:03:05] team on the Trump administration. And he
[02:03:07] was helping people behind the scenes.
[02:03:09] And he was a power broker. Charlie Kirk
[02:03:12] acted as a kind of mirror to all of us.
[02:03:16] And this is a moment from San Diego.
[02:03:18] Just play this clip and pause it and
[02:03:19] I'll talk about it. Go ahead.
[02:03:21] >> Many of you know him. And I want I want
[02:03:23] us to pray for James O'Keefe
[02:03:25] >> and show him some encouragement. This is
[02:03:27] a truth teller. He has exposed every
[02:03:29] major demonic power center in the
[02:03:31] country. Fizer, he's DHS, you name it.
[02:03:36] James, come on up here. Give us give
[02:03:38] some support for James.
[02:03:39] >> Pause. You know, Charlie,
[02:03:42] um there are some things I won't say,
[02:03:45] nothing bad, but certain things in
[02:03:46] confidence that uh him and I had
[02:03:49] conversations about privately.
[02:03:52] Charlie like to we work out together in
[02:03:55] Arizona where he lived. But one of the
[02:03:57] things he did say to me was something to
[02:04:00] the effect of the amount of demonic
[02:04:03] attacks or spiritual attacks against
[02:04:07] people who do this type of work.
[02:04:10] It's been it's been nutty crazy actually
[02:04:14] spiritual
[02:04:16] crap that we've had to put up with. And
[02:04:19] I'm going to call an audible live on the
[02:04:21] air and and and do and we we'll we'll
[02:04:25] publish this, you know, tomorrow or
[02:04:26] something like that. Maybe tomorrow. But
[02:04:28] in the meantime, Andrew,
[02:04:32] uh can you cue up that clip while you're
[02:04:35] playing this one of the carve the heart
[02:04:38] out and eat it? Could you could you
[02:04:40] could you pull that up for a minute?
[02:04:41] Because Charlie Charlie Kirk was calling
[02:04:44] my board trying to talk sense into them.
[02:04:47] He was doing this to help me to to help
[02:04:49] expose the evil. And I believe we do
[02:04:52] have that clip from the deposition most
[02:04:55] recently. Just to just to add some
[02:04:58] context to that and and maybe while
[02:05:00] you're looking up that clip, play the
[02:05:01] rest of this to to give you a minute
[02:05:03] because I want to tell the world about
[02:05:06] the board member saying he wants to
[02:05:07] carve my heart out and eat it, which is
[02:05:10] so gross and so demonic that I have no
[02:05:13] words. But play the rest of this pastor
[02:05:16] summit clip
[02:05:18] everybody.
[02:05:20] [Applause]
[02:05:38] Oh, pause this. I I This was a very
[02:05:41] moving You can leave the image on the
[02:05:42] screen. It was a very moving moment in
[02:05:45] my life and I didn't this was not
[02:05:47] planned and
[02:05:49] I just this guy was just a force of
[02:05:51] nature. He was so
[02:05:55] I wouldn't say he was nice. I would say
[02:05:58] he was kind. There's a difference
[02:06:00] between nice and kind. Nice people tend
[02:06:03] to get run over. Nice people are not
[02:06:07] strong enough to protect goodness.
[02:06:10] In the first eight years of knowing
[02:06:13] Charlie, I I was I I'm now wrong. He
[02:06:16] struck me as a bit standoffish. He was a
[02:06:18] very busy man. And now I know that it
[02:06:21] wasn't so much that he was standoffish.
[02:06:22] He was working all the time and helping
[02:06:25] people in the way that he did. Um and
[02:06:28] then I got to know his heart uh like
[02:06:30] many others have. And that's a testament
[02:06:32] to him, not us. that that that that so
[02:06:35] many people considered
[02:06:39] considered him their friends.
[02:06:41] And then he had his pastor, Rob McCoy,
[02:06:44] whose son, I believe, is Charlie's chief
[02:06:46] of staff executive assistant, pray for
[02:06:48] me. Do we have the demonic eat out your
[02:06:51] heart clip queued up yet? If not, then
[02:06:54] we can keep playing. Keep playing. Uh I
[02:06:56] just sent it to you guys. Keep playing
[02:06:57] it.
[02:06:59] [Applause]
[02:07:02] >> Amen. I just told James he's among folks
[02:07:04] who love him. Amen.
[02:07:06] >> Would you all stand as we come into the
[02:07:08] presence of the Lord?
[02:07:09] >> James, as I was preparing to pray for
[02:07:11] you, God gave me Mark chapter nine, a
[02:07:13] man with a demon-possessed child. And he
[02:07:17] would throw himself in the fire and he
[02:07:19] just said, "Lord, help him." He said, he
[02:07:22] said, "If you believe, you can do all
[02:07:24] things."
[02:07:25] >> And he said to the Lord, "Lord, help my
[02:07:27] unbelief."
[02:07:29] And I know you're at a place where
[02:07:30] you're struggling with that. It'll be
[02:07:32] it'll be resolved.
[02:07:34] >> I know you lost in a sense a child
[02:07:35] because this is a thing you started when
[02:07:37] you were 25 years old. God's going to
[02:07:39] resolve that truth that too. And uh
[02:07:41] we're going to pray for for you and for
[02:07:43] strength because God who began a good
[02:07:45] work is faithful to complete it.
[02:07:47] >> Okay. So, so you can find this clip on
[02:07:49] YouTube, but I just wanted to They were
[02:07:52] talking about what happened. Uh, and
[02:07:55] Charlie was really calling me every day
[02:07:58] when this went down with Project Veritas
[02:08:01] firing me and and choosing to
[02:08:03] indefinitely suspend me. So, we have a
[02:08:05] clip here from a deposition
[02:08:07] uh that was conducted a month ago, and
[02:08:10] it's one of the individuals that was on
[02:08:13] the board of directors who chose to
[02:08:14] terminate me. And people always ask me a
[02:08:18] lot of questions, a lot of rhetorical
[02:08:20] questions about why things are the way
[02:08:22] they are. And what I find is when I
[02:08:25] answer their questions, it leaves them
[02:08:26] more confused.
[02:08:28] So, in this clip from the deposition
[02:08:30] from a month ago, this is a month ago
[02:08:32] today. This is just whatever it was 45
[02:08:34] days ago, in federal court under oath,
[02:08:37] this individual attacks Charlie Kirk and
[02:08:40] Steve Bannon and talks about this is
[02:08:43] he's under oath carving my heart out and
[02:08:48] eating it.
[02:08:50] Roll the clip.
[02:08:54] spinning a narrative that he is being
[02:08:55] ejected in a coup that he's being ousted
[02:08:59] and that he you know was uh c what was
[02:09:02] uh the the worst lawyer in America
[02:09:04] Robert Barnes and Viva Fry Canadian
[02:09:06] saying oh this is constructive
[02:09:07] termination no it's by law we need to
[02:09:10] remediate what we've discovered can't
[02:09:13] just ignore it even when Steve Bannon or
[02:09:15] Charlie Kirk call me and say who gives a
[02:09:16] about the law sweep it under the
[02:09:18] rug no
[02:09:19] >> what did you say
[02:09:20] >> I said I you want to carve out his and
[02:09:24] eat it in front of him.
[02:09:25] >> Pause. Okay.
[02:09:25] >> Yeah. Yeah, that was the quote.
[02:09:26] >> Pause. I want to carve out his heart and
[02:09:29] eat it.
[02:09:34] Um,
[02:09:37] I told my team this past week, you know,
[02:09:40] one of our mottos is shame the devil.
[02:09:43] The price is my life. Shame the devil. A
[02:09:46] lot of people say, we're going to play
[02:09:48] the rest of this clip in a second. A lot
[02:09:51] of people say, "Well, the devil, I don't
[02:09:52] believe in the devil."
[02:09:54] And that's an honest response. I don't
[02:09:57] believe in the devil.
[02:10:00] One of my one of my takeaways from
[02:10:02] what's happened over the last week is
[02:10:05] that I think now people will start
[02:10:06] believing in the devil.
[02:10:09] I think you're going to have people
[02:10:11] start actually believing the devil is
[02:10:12] real.
[02:10:15] And the devil can be shamed.
[02:10:18] Isn't that the mission? to expose evil,
[02:10:21] to shine a light on evil.
[02:10:23] It's always it's always the good guys
[02:10:25] that seem to be to be crucified, to be
[02:10:27] to be targeted, to be attacked.
[02:10:30] It never seems to be the devil that
[02:10:32] seems to be attacked.
[02:10:35] So, the mission then is to shame the
[02:10:37] devil, to expose evil, to expose navery.
[02:10:41] As I said last week,
[02:10:44] let's play this clip again. But play it
[02:10:46] from when he talks about carving out the
[02:10:48] heart and eating it. Who says that? I
[02:10:50] I'm not creative enough to come up with
[02:10:52] this. But this isn't just some guy
[02:10:55] spouting in a comment section. No. No.
[02:10:57] This is a board member in a deposition
[02:11:01] attacking Charlie Kirk and talking about
[02:11:03] carving out my heart and eating it. Play
[02:11:07] the clip.
[02:11:09] >> What did you say?
[02:11:11] >> I said I You want to car out his heart
[02:11:14] and eat it in front of him. Play that
[02:11:15] again because it kind of broke it broke
[02:11:17] up over the over the live stream. Just
[02:11:20] play that one more time so the audience
[02:11:21] can hear it.
[02:11:26] >> I You would want to carve out his heart
[02:11:28] and eat it in front of him.
[02:11:30] >> Okay.
[02:11:30] >> Yeah. Yeah. That was a quote. I again
[02:11:32] flippant metaphorical comment.
[02:11:34] >> Who did you say that to?
[02:11:35] >> I said that to staff at some point, you
[02:11:37] know, when everybody was like basically
[02:11:40] uh upset about the lies they were
[02:11:42] reading about all of us themselves. And
[02:11:44] I said, "This is a psych vampire. This
[02:11:45] is this is a monstrous person." So like
[02:11:48] this is, you know, metaphorically, you
[02:11:50] know, you got to carve out the heart of
[02:11:52] somebody like this. Wow. And it dawned
[02:11:55] upon me that what this individual was
[02:11:57] talking about
[02:12:00] was himself.
[02:12:04] The individual in question is talking
[02:12:06] about himself.
[02:12:10] And evil tends to project onto us
[02:12:14] what they are.
[02:12:18] And the greatest trick the devil ever
[02:12:19] ever pulled was convincing the world
[02:12:21] that he doesn't exist. The greatest
[02:12:24] trick the de the devil ever pulled was
[02:12:26] convincing the world that he doesn't
[02:12:28] exist.
[02:12:30] And Tara Paul Mary wrote in a newsletter
[02:12:35] this past week that Charlie Kirk's death
[02:12:37] at 31. Every convers this is what she
[02:12:40] wrote. I've felt something I've never
[02:12:42] quite experienced before. Every
[02:12:44] conversation with friends,
[02:12:46] acquaintances, family, even strangers
[02:12:47] circle back to Charlie Kirk. His death
[02:12:50] has become a mirror reflecting
[02:12:52] insecurities, resentments, and anger in
[02:12:55] everybody.
[02:12:57] Everybody.
[02:12:59] You could be 39 and childless
[02:13:02] looking at him frolicking with his
[02:13:04] children and it makes you ask questions.
[02:13:08] So Charlie Kirk was there for me when I
[02:13:11] was when I was going through that my
[02:13:12] darkest days and facing unimaginable
[02:13:14] evil and betrayal. And I I speak from my
[02:13:16] own experiences with him because I'm
[02:13:18] talking about him in that in that
[02:13:20] context as someone who knew of him and
[02:13:23] knew him. Many people knew him. Many
[02:13:26] people knew him personally.
[02:13:29] Um, and I'm very grateful for the
[02:13:33] goodness that I saw in him.
[02:13:36] And I contrast that with the evil that I
[02:13:40] that I that we fight. We continue to
[02:13:42] fight.
[02:13:44] And we'll we'll make that we we'll
[02:13:45] isolate that clip and put it on the
[02:13:47] internet and we will shame the devil.
[02:13:50] Speaking of shaming the devil,
[02:13:53] we is David Nelson still on the air?
[02:13:55] David Nelson from the IRS, Internal
[02:13:58] Revenue Service, that blew the whistle
[02:13:59] on the IRS. Do we still have him on the
[02:14:01] line?
[02:14:04] >> I'm here.
[02:14:05] >> I want to thank you all for waiting
[02:14:06] literally hours to call into the show.
[02:14:10] We did not really have scheduled times
[02:14:12] for all of you. My apologies, but thank
[02:14:14] you for your patience and your grace.
[02:14:16] David, David Nelson, whistleblower
[02:14:18] against the IRS, exposing what was
[02:14:21] happening within the IRS, the antiquated
[02:14:23] systems. David, you've you've you've
[02:14:25] paid a price. Um, what is your reaction
[02:14:28] to the death of Charlie Kirk as a brave
[02:14:31] person who's exposed the truth and taken
[02:14:35] action
[02:14:40] there.
[02:14:44] You said that you had um
[02:14:47] you had a different opinion of of
[02:14:49] Charlie Kirk early on. I I did too. I um
[02:14:56] and even now I still view him as like
[02:14:59] the Mr. Rogers of the right. He's he's
[02:15:03] the goodness and reasonableness. He's
[02:15:06] the one that's going to go out and talk
[02:15:08] and
[02:15:10] do
[02:15:11] do the Lord's work. I'm I don't compare
[02:15:14] to that. I I'm more
[02:15:18] righteous indignation and um zealatry
[02:15:21] for the truth and and
[02:15:25] doing the right thing. He um
[02:15:30] I I hope with them
[02:15:34] I hope that with him dying
[02:15:38] this spirit that he he had for
[02:15:42] the the Mr. Rogers of the right lives
[02:15:45] on. I I hope they didn't kill that.
[02:15:50] >> Well, I don't like I said earlier today,
[02:15:52] I think that you never quite fill the
[02:15:55] shoes and you never quite fill the hole.
[02:16:00] Uh, and the hole doesn't get any
[02:16:02] smaller, but our job is to build
[02:16:04] ourselves bigger around that hole. To
[02:16:06] quote Robert F. Kennedy Jr., to build
[02:16:09] ourselves bigger. Is that is that what
[02:16:12] you think the call to action and the
[02:16:14] reason I'm asking you David Nelson of
[02:16:15] the IRS is because you've actually done
[02:16:17] it. You've exposed evil
[02:16:20] perhaps Kafka-esque evil in the sense of
[02:16:22] the antiquated systems and the
[02:16:24] bureaucracy.
[02:16:25] What do you think the call to action is
[02:16:27] here for people?
[02:16:32] I think the call to action is to show
[02:16:36] that
[02:16:37] on the right, which it it doesn't have
[02:16:40] to be political, but I I'm I I do lean
[02:16:43] right, that we're we're not the monsters
[02:16:48] that these people portray us as. They're
[02:16:51] the monsters.
[02:16:53] They're the ones advocating violence.
[02:16:55] They're the ones doing violence. We're
[02:16:58] the ones restraining. We're the ones
[02:17:02] trying to go out and speak and reach
[02:17:05] across the aisle.
[02:17:07] And it's just being shut down.
[02:17:11] And that's that's something that's got
[02:17:13] to change.
[02:17:14] >> Well, how does it change?
[02:17:20] >> By not becoming what they want what they
[02:17:22] think us to be. um responding with other
[02:17:28] acts of violence, responding with
[02:17:31] blind anger and hatred isn't going to
[02:17:34] solve anything. It's going to instead
[02:17:36] reaffirm people on the left, the more
[02:17:40] radicals, reaffirm their beliefs that we
[02:17:43] are these evil monsters that they always
[02:17:45] thought.
[02:17:46] We we can't stoop to their level. We
[02:17:50] can't become what they are. We can't be
[02:17:52] people that are just eaten up by hate.
[02:17:59] >> Well, that kind of reminds me of
[02:18:00] something that I've been going through.
[02:18:03] By the way, if you're just tuning in,
[02:18:05] we've got like a hundred thousand people
[02:18:07] on live on X, I believe, somewhere in
[02:18:10] that realm.
[02:18:12] I'm talking to whistleblowers that have
[02:18:14] come to me over the last year. And
[02:18:15] you're on the phone with David Nelson.
[02:18:16] We've heard from a whistleblower inside
[02:18:18] FEMA. We've heard from whistleblowers
[02:18:19] inside uh people who dealt with
[02:18:23] unaccompanied child trafficked children.
[02:18:25] We've heard from professor
[02:18:26] whistleblowers. We're going to hopefully
[02:18:28] get to Aaron Becky in a minute, Border
[02:18:29] Patrol agent. And I think David, what I
[02:18:34] draw from what you're saying here is is
[02:18:37] not to not become the thing that we're
[02:18:39] fighting. Is that do I have that
[02:18:41] correct? I'm wording it in my own way.
[02:18:44] >> Yeah. Um as Marcus Aurelius often
[02:18:47] attributed to stoicis stoic Marcus
[02:18:49] Aurelius said the best revenge is is to
[02:18:51] not be your enemy. People say the best
[02:18:53] revenge is to be successful. But what
[02:18:55] does success mean? Is that financial
[02:18:57] success? Is that fame?
[02:19:00] I mean that means the success means a
[02:19:01] lot of things to a lot of people but
[02:19:03] Aurelia said it was to not become your
[02:19:05] enemy. And there's a temptation to
[02:19:07] become our enemy here, right?
[02:19:10] Um and that's what you're saying.
[02:19:12] >> Yeah.
[02:19:14] Uh when you're fighting monsters to not
[02:19:18] >> to not become monsters.
[02:19:22] Uh who is that? Nichi. Nichi said that.
[02:19:26] I'm I'm looking that up right now. Be
[02:19:27] aware that when fighting monsters, you
[02:19:29] yourself do not become a monster.
[02:19:32] To maintain your values and integrity
[02:19:34] while fighting against evil. By the way,
[02:19:36] speaking personally, that has been the
[02:19:38] hardest thing for me. Charlie was there
[02:19:41] for me during that time.
[02:19:44] When you gaze into the abyss, the abyss
[02:19:47] gazes into you.
[02:19:49] And let me tell you something, brother.
[02:19:50] We are fighting monsters. We are
[02:19:52] fighting evil. And we will and this
[02:19:54] mission shall accelerate.
[02:19:56] It is going to accelerate. There's no
[02:19:58] question.
[02:20:00] We are going to be breaking bigger
[02:20:01] stories than we have. That's not
[02:20:03] hyperbole.
[02:20:05] Including into Epstein, by the way.
[02:20:08] including in the Department of Justice.
[02:20:10] Whether people like it or not, this is
[02:20:13] not a political mission. This is a
[02:20:15] mission to clean up society through
[02:20:16] transparency and accountability. That is
[02:20:18] not a Republican mission.
[02:20:21] And the truth will hurt people that you
[02:20:23] like.
[02:20:25] Um,
[02:20:27] David Nelson from the IRS. David, by the
[02:20:31] way, I I know that I don't mean to put
[02:20:32] you on the spot here. I would love
[02:20:34] you're invited and I would love to have
[02:20:35] you at the Mara Lago.
[02:20:37] um if it's possible for you to come. If
[02:20:40] not, maybe you can zoom in on the big
[02:20:42] screen, but I would love to honor your
[02:20:44] your sacrifice and your your courage
[02:20:47] uh on November 13th if you can make it.
[02:20:50] David,
[02:20:53] >> I I would like to. Now, I when you
[02:20:57] interviewed me, I was very careful with
[02:21:00] planning and everything that I did. I I
[02:21:05] still have my job. Um it's tenuous. I I
[02:21:09] I followed all everything to the letter.
[02:21:13] I had you can find so so much that is
[02:21:17] whistleblowing for the government. They
[02:21:20] they end up publishing publicly and
[02:21:22] don't realize it. So I had publicly
[02:21:25] available citations for everything I I
[02:21:28] talked to you about. But because I'm
[02:21:31] still a federal employee, I have to get
[02:21:34] past I have to get approved by federal
[02:21:36] ethics that I'm not going based on my
[02:21:42] position, but based on the information
[02:21:46] that I I shared as a citizen journalist.
[02:21:50] >> And that's and that's really uh
[02:21:51] inspiring to people.
[02:21:52] >> Information I cared, but not my
[02:21:54] position.
[02:21:55] >> And that's really inspiring people that
[02:21:56] you're you're you're doing it by the
[02:21:58] book. You did not lose your job, but you
[02:22:00] were still extraordinarily brave because
[02:22:02] it could have gone a different way. So,
[02:22:04] we'll talk about this, but either way,
[02:22:07] David, thank you for for calling into
[02:22:09] the show here. The price is my life.
[02:22:12] Thank you for your courage exposing the
[02:22:13] IRS. Can
[02:22:14] >> I give you an update?
[02:22:16] >> What's that?
[02:22:18] >> Could I give you an update?
[02:22:21] >> We'd love that, please.
[02:22:23] >> It's kind of It's kind of big.
[02:22:27] Go ahead.
[02:22:28] >> And um
[02:22:30] I I talked I got some help from um a few
[02:22:34] people on on X um
[02:22:38] at Cippy Cup 2 and at I am Miss Jinxed.
[02:22:42] They were able to get me in contact with
[02:22:45] the chief of staff of a member of the
[02:22:47] Ways and Means Committee. I am waiting
[02:22:50] for a phone call on internal
[02:22:52] whistleblowing stuff that I've I've done
[02:22:55] separately from speaking to you on a
[02:22:59] number of issues. And if people now with
[02:23:04] federal emails, the subject line is not
[02:23:08] considered sensitive but unclassified.
[02:23:11] It's more or less considered public
[02:23:13] because that can get intercepted. just
[02:23:16] the internal parts of the email are
[02:23:18] encrypted.
[02:23:20] But sharing the title of an email would
[02:23:24] not be a violation of any kind of
[02:23:27] federal rules.
[02:23:29] So if anyone is interested in FOYA
[02:23:33] maybe check out
[02:23:37] email re
[02:23:40] space WS2
[02:23:42] space 2021
[02:23:46] space
[02:23:49] oh
[02:23:53] I'm I I
[02:24:01] Oh, it like that. Um,
[02:24:05] it was space
[02:24:07] 2021 reply space referral
[02:24:12] 105
[02:24:14] 66
[02:24:17] and then I'm having problems reading the
[02:24:20] >> Hey, David, let me let me let me um
[02:24:22] David,
[02:24:24] >> let me let me I will I will definitely
[02:24:26] promote this to my audience,
[02:24:28] >> but right now we've got a couple people
[02:24:30] want to get on the air and I want to do
[02:24:32] justice to Um,
[02:24:33] >> so we will post the what you're saying
[02:24:36] because I I don't think people can
[02:24:37] follow it reciting it, but I want
[02:24:39] everyone to know just how brave David is
[02:24:42] as a as an employee with the IRS. He did
[02:24:44] not lose his job,
[02:24:45] >> but we got people that have been waiting
[02:24:47] for hours and I appreciate your
[02:24:48] patience. Thank you, David Nelson. Um,
[02:24:51] is Aaron Veky on the air on the line?
[02:25:01] Uh, Aaron Becky, are you there? Hey,
[02:25:04] >> Jame.
[02:25:05] >> Hey, Aaron. How you doing?
[02:25:06] >> Can you hear me?
[02:25:08] >> Yes, you're live in front of many
[02:25:10] people.
[02:25:13] >> Let's turn up his volume just a little
[02:25:14] bit, team.
[02:25:16] >> Nope.
[02:25:18] >> Aaron, can you hear me?
[02:25:21] >> Yes, I hear you.
[02:25:22] >> Okay. Uh, Aaron Veky, Border Patrol
[02:25:25] agent, whistleblower. also did did not
[02:25:27] lose your job, but you could have. And
[02:25:31] you were here um uh recently on the
[02:25:36] Prices of My Life podcast. Your reaction
[02:25:38] to the death of Charlie Kirk?
[02:25:42] >> Well, yeah. I mean, it's been a pretty
[02:25:44] sombering week for me, for my family. Um
[02:25:48] as far as, you know, I never got to meet
[02:25:50] him at Afest. I would have loved to have
[02:25:53] met him. I've only seen a lot of his
[02:25:55] shorts come across my feed and whatnot.
[02:25:58] Um, so I think as the week's gone on and
[02:26:01] there's been a lot of a lot of media
[02:26:05] through social, you know, through social
[02:26:09] platforms, it's just it's it strikes me
[02:26:12] that the attacks that he's under that
[02:26:14] how they've kind of slandered him and
[02:26:17] suggested that he's hateful and a bigot
[02:26:20] and a you know, a racist. when you see
[02:26:23] the the shorts that I've seen when I've
[02:26:27] when I've dug into seeing what he's done
[02:26:29] on campus on the campuses throughout the
[02:26:32] country.
[02:26:35] It's uh yeah, it's a stark contrast the
[02:26:38] way they paint him and it's sombering
[02:26:40] sobering because you think what what
[02:26:43] else can you do as a Christian other
[02:26:45] than what he's done? You know, I think
[02:26:47] he's been a good representation of what
[02:26:50] a Christian should be like in public
[02:26:52] forum.
[02:26:53] >> And Aaron is someone you talked about
[02:26:55] the religion of apathy that people feel.
[02:26:56] You call it the religion of apathy,
[02:26:59] which which
[02:27:01] >> paraphrasing what you told me in
[02:27:03] Arizona. We went to the desert with
[02:27:04] Monica was that people seem to just
[02:27:08] >> almost get offended when other people do
[02:27:10] great things. It's like, why are you
[02:27:12] speaking up? why you why you're making
[02:27:14] me feel bad about my do nothingness.
[02:27:18] How do we change that?
[02:27:22] >> You know, I mean, I've given a lot of
[02:27:24] thought and kind of echoing the other
[02:27:26] guests, especially uh Michael. Um yeah,
[02:27:30] you you have to I think you you have to
[02:27:33] do stuff obviously and that stuff has to
[02:27:35] start probably at home most importantly.
[02:27:38] I think, you know, having grown up as a
[02:27:41] Christian, I do know there there is a
[02:27:43] tendency to want to pluck the splinter
[02:27:46] out of your brother's eye before
[02:27:47] removing the plank from your own. Um,
[02:27:50] and and I think that you have to start
[02:27:54] at the home and work your way out. And I
[02:27:57] think that Charlie definitely embodied
[02:27:59] that. I mean, he took it he was
[02:28:02] obviously burning for the Lord and he
[02:28:05] took his his his his ideas to people and
[02:28:09] he didn't try to diagnose them and rip
[02:28:12] the, you know, try to beat them over the
[02:28:16] head with scripture. He presented it in
[02:28:19] a way that he thought this is where
[02:28:21] society will be better if we're a little
[02:28:23] bit more Christlike in our personal
[02:28:25] lives, in our public lives.
[02:28:28] And yeah, I mean, I think uh that call
[02:28:32] to movement, you were talking about the,
[02:28:33] you know, the devil's greatest trick on
[02:28:36] humanity. I think I I'm I've started to
[02:28:39] kind of realize that maybe the greatest
[02:28:41] trick is convincing Christians that the
[02:28:44] rapture is right around the corner, you
[02:28:47] know,
[02:28:47] >> and maybe it's not around the corner.
[02:28:49] And maybe maybe what saved our country,
[02:28:53] what saved this planet from like 500
[02:28:55] years of darkness is getting out. And to
[02:28:59] borrow a phrase from, you know, Obama,
[02:29:01] you know, you you don't cling to your
[02:29:03] Bibles and and your guns in that way.
[02:29:06] you you don't hunker down and just sit
[02:29:09] back passively waiting for whatever
[02:29:12] calamity comes. Maybe you getting out,
[02:29:16] you burning a little bit more for the
[02:29:18] Lord and and and and embracing people
[02:29:22] and and in a loving way like I think
[02:29:24] Charlie did. I've seen enough of his
[02:29:26] thoughts where or his interactions with
[02:29:29] college students where I've seen him
[02:29:31] interact with people in a clearly loving
[02:29:34] way that's totally opposite of what he's
[02:29:36] portrayed in the media.
[02:29:37] >> Well, well, let me let me let me
[02:29:38] interject for a minute.
[02:29:41] >> Go finish your thought and I want to say
[02:29:42] something.
[02:29:45] >> Oh, no. I just I think that's what it
[02:29:46] takes. But I think it takes everybody
[02:29:48] looking inward first and foremost,
[02:29:50] especially, you know, you got to is your
[02:29:52] Christian burning for the Lord. if
[02:29:54] you're lukewarm or if you're somebody
[02:29:55] that's maybe on the fence to look
[02:29:57] forward and say, "What can I do in my
[02:29:59] home? I know I need to do work in my
[02:30:01] home." Um, I think a lot of people do
[02:30:04] need to do work in their home. And and
[02:30:06] then what do we need to do in our
[02:30:07] communities? And it seems to me, having
[02:30:10] listened to to Charlie speak to people
[02:30:14] that he came to that realization at some
[02:30:16] point. He's clearly a decent man who's
[02:30:19] not perfect. He's a great man, but he's
[02:30:21] not perfect. that he realizes that and
[02:30:24] when he talks to people that comes
[02:30:26] through. He's not sitting there, you're
[02:30:29] gonna burn in hell, you know, he do
[02:30:31] that.
[02:30:32] >> Well, let me let me let me interject,
[02:30:33] Darren, for a second and we'll keep
[02:30:35] talking about this, but I wanted to have
[02:30:37] a you know, share with you my my feeling
[02:30:39] when you you said something two minutes
[02:30:42] ago, and we're in front of a lot of
[02:30:43] people right now. you said something
[02:30:47] >> right
[02:30:47] >> that you know the rapture is coming and
[02:30:50] and people are waiting and I and I
[02:30:52] quoted um I I quoted Alinsky earlier uh
[02:30:57] which is this idea that well let me wait
[02:30:59] until I become a millionaire and then
[02:31:01] I'll make a difference or if you're a
[02:31:02] Catholic let me wait to become cardinal
[02:31:04] or how about when I become pope but the
[02:31:07] I'll go and work on Goldman Sachs make a
[02:31:09] lot of money and then I'll be
[02:31:10] charitable. Well, the problem is a lot
[02:31:11] happens when you become a millionaire.
[02:31:14] You get the mansion and you get the the
[02:31:16] the the uh uh mortgage and there's
[02:31:20] something in you. And just I'm going to
[02:31:22] keep repeating myself. I'm live with
[02:31:24] Aaron Veky, the Bord Patrol agent. All
[02:31:26] the people that I've spoken to today are
[02:31:28] not just commentators. You may not know
[02:31:31] their names. They may not be famous in
[02:31:34] the traditional way. There are men
[02:31:36] who've done great deeds and women who've
[02:31:38] done great deeds. As Dan Borston says,
[02:31:41] um, "A hero is a great man. A celebrity
[02:31:43] is known for his well-knownness, but a
[02:31:46] hero is known for his deeds."
[02:31:49] And you talked about um you talked about
[02:31:54] Christianity
[02:31:56] and I reread Dustfky's Aream of a
[02:31:59] Riculous Man after Charlie died because
[02:32:02] it reminded me of him after Charlie
[02:32:05] died. And I'm just going to read a
[02:32:07] passage from Dustavvski. The very ending
[02:32:10] of The Ridiculous Man. I have seen the
[02:32:13] truth. I've seen it and the living image
[02:32:15] of it has filled my soul forever. This
[02:32:17] is what Dostki writes. I've seen the
[02:32:21] truth and the living image of it has
[02:32:23] filled my soul forever. And I've seen it
[02:32:25] in such perfection that I cannot believe
[02:32:28] that it is impossible for people to have
[02:32:31] it. Dustki is talking about the truth
[02:32:34] the you know do unto others as you would
[02:32:36] have them do unto you to love another
[02:32:38] person as we love ourselves to do to to
[02:32:41] be righteous to be truthful to be
[02:32:42] courageous
[02:32:44] and Charlie's death reminds me of of of
[02:32:48] this concept which is I've seen the
[02:32:50] truth I've seen a man be good I've seen
[02:32:53] a man live out his principles and not be
[02:32:55] a hypocrite dustki writes um and this is
[02:32:59] the part that really gets me he says
[02:33:01] says, "I've seen it. I cannot describe
[02:33:04] what I saw. It was a dream." Uh, but
[02:33:08] what's a dream? Is not our life a dream.
[02:33:12] Perhaps this paradise will never come to
[02:33:14] pass. Yet I shall go on preaching it.
[02:33:17] And how simple it all is that in one
[02:33:19] day, in one hour, everything could be
[02:33:22] arranged at once. Everything can change
[02:33:25] in one hour.
[02:33:27] If everyone listening to this right now
[02:33:30] went out
[02:33:32] and told the truth and did the right
[02:33:34] thing and had courage.
[02:33:36] If everyone that's I mean we've have my
[02:33:38] call screeners are listening to your
[02:33:40] calls. I'm afraid and by the way I get
[02:33:42] it. I'm not it's not that I'm not
[02:33:44] compassionate towards you,
[02:33:46] but everything could change if all the
[02:33:49] people that are afraid of losing or
[02:33:53] making a sacrifice stopped being afraid.
[02:33:56] And Dustki writes about this in the
[02:33:58] dream of the ridiculous man. It can all
[02:34:00] be changed at once in one hour. And the
[02:34:04] chief thing
[02:34:06] well dski says the chief thing is to is
[02:34:08] to is to is to fight for other people
[02:34:10] like you love yourself. Charlie gave up
[02:34:12] his life for his friends. By the way, he
[02:34:14] gave up his life for you.
[02:34:17] If we all acted that way,
[02:34:20] everything can be rearranged. And yet,
[02:34:22] this is an old truth. It's been told a
[02:34:24] billion times, but it is not made part
[02:34:28] of our lives.
[02:34:30] And um
[02:34:33] and I think we all need to, you know, I
[02:34:36] mean, this is a tale as old as time, but
[02:34:38] maybe this is the thing that wakes us
[02:34:39] up. I mean, Aaron, Aaron, Veky, do you
[02:34:44] think that this will change things? Are
[02:34:47] you are you hopeful that that this
[02:34:48] event, this historical event will change
[02:34:51] things or are we doomed?
[02:34:55] Oh, I think I think it's it has to I
[02:34:58] think at the very least it's pushed us
[02:35:01] closer to what going back to your first
[02:35:04] guest, Roger Stone had to say, you know,
[02:35:07] the powers that be clearly want to tear
[02:35:10] us apart, right? And we are obviously
[02:35:13] divided. If you if you can watch the
[02:35:16] same video of Charlie speaking at
[02:35:19] campuses
[02:35:21] and come away with, you know, a
[02:35:24] perspective that he's hateful, then
[02:35:27] yeah, and so many others can come and
[02:35:29] there's obviously there's people on the
[02:35:30] left that are watching and they're
[02:35:32] learning and they're going, "Holy crap,
[02:35:34] what did what what was he killed for?"
[02:35:36] you know, I actually agree with a lot of
[02:35:37] now that I've done the research, I
[02:35:40] actually agree with what he's um what he
[02:35:43] was saying. Um and then I think if you
[02:35:46] if you've taken that and look at it from
[02:35:49] a a Bible sense, you know, the Bible
[02:35:51] doesn't the Bible's first of all, it's
[02:35:53] it's one of the most mis taken out of
[02:35:56] context, misqued by people who are
[02:36:00] believers and by people who aren't,
[02:36:01] right? Um, so it's not surprising to me
[02:36:05] that Charlie was is taken out of context
[02:36:08] because he's quoting the Bible and
[02:36:10] that's the most out of taken out of
[02:36:12] context book probably in the history of
[02:36:13] the the world. Um, so what is it what's
[02:36:18] going to change? I don't know how it's
[02:36:20] going to change. I hope that people do
[02:36:21] continue what they're doing and they
[02:36:23] educate themselves. They don't just rely
[02:36:25] on the their formal education,
[02:36:28] especially in this day and age. you you
[02:36:30] can find you you have it takes work. You
[02:36:32] have to look through things and you have
[02:36:34] to discern for yourself. Hey, let me and
[02:36:37] you have to take the time to do it. You
[02:36:39] can't just look at a short and say, hey,
[02:36:42] I know who this guy was. You can get a
[02:36:44] sense of it, but then you can explore
[02:36:46] for yourself. Am I being told the truth
[02:36:49] about this person? If that happens like
[02:36:52] it it seems to be happening, I think
[02:36:55] that yeah, I mean there can obviously be
[02:36:58] a lot of positive change that uh comes
[02:37:01] from this. But you know, going back to
[02:37:04] what David said, I do think there is a a
[02:37:07] cautionary cautionary kind of lesson
[02:37:10] where we have to not become the monsters
[02:37:13] that that we're fighting. Um and how you
[02:37:16] do that, I have no idea. I I don't know
[02:37:19] other than be be Christlike like like
[02:37:23] like Charlie was.
[02:37:26] But you also have to walk that line of
[02:37:28] your like I think Charlie did. There's
[02:37:31] politics involved. It's not just
[02:37:33] theology. There's politics. There's
[02:37:35] dealing with society. There's dealing
[02:37:37] with other people, voters who don't uh
[02:37:41] don't care about your religion or maybe
[02:37:42] even hate it, you know. Um, and that's
[02:37:45] where I think going forward from me
[02:37:47] personally, I look at a guy like Charlie
[02:37:49] who paid the ultimate sacrifice, but I
[02:37:52] feel like from what I've seen, from what
[02:37:54] I know of him, he walked that line. He
[02:37:57] brought his religion to the debate. Or
[02:38:01] maybe not. Sometimes other people
[02:38:03] brought it in, but he was not
[02:38:07] expecting everybody to to
[02:38:11] conform to his ideas, but he presented
[02:38:14] it as, "Hey, I believe my ideas will
[02:38:18] help you. They'll help society."
[02:38:22] He never he never espoused, "We're going
[02:38:24] to shove this down your throats and make
[02:38:26] you conform." He said, "Follow this.
[02:38:29] follow this message of Christ, apply it
[02:38:33] in your daily life, even from a non-
[02:38:35] theological kind of standpoint, and
[02:38:37] you'll see this works, you know, clean
[02:38:39] living and uh single uh you know, a a
[02:38:43] good home where you're one man and woman
[02:38:46] are raising children and you know, but
[02:38:48] how you get that when all the how do you
[02:38:50] get to that point? I mean, he went out
[02:38:52] as an ambassador for and espoused those
[02:38:54] ideas. How do we as a country actually
[02:38:58] get to the point where we can do these
[02:39:02] things without being um manipulated and
[02:39:04] torn apart and you know mis
[02:39:07] mischaracterized? I I don't know.
[02:39:09] >> Well, I think times I think going back
[02:39:12] to why I've invited you on Erin is you
[02:39:15] actually did the deed. you as a border
[02:39:17] patrol agent, you exposed children were
[02:39:19] freezing to death in the in the desert
[02:39:22] and I thought it was very brave and I'm
[02:39:24] and I wanted to just leave it on an
[02:39:25] inspiring note because you actually did
[02:39:27] it. What what what was it that caused
[02:39:30] you to do that so that you could inspire
[02:39:34] other people to follow you?
[02:39:38] Again, the theme of this show today is
[02:39:40] we are not going to eliminate the whole.
[02:39:42] We're just going to make ourselves
[02:39:43] bigger.
[02:39:47] Right. Um, yeah. What motivated me was
[02:39:50] definitely being put in the position of
[02:39:54] of of two things. One that I know was is
[02:39:57] is right and one that I know is wrong.
[02:40:00] And in order to go along with the wrong
[02:40:02] thing, um, you know, I would have to I
[02:40:06] would have I would have to
[02:40:09] I I couldn't do it. But I couldn't. But
[02:40:12] but it was a conversation with God where
[02:40:14] I realized I maybe I could have maybe I
[02:40:17] could have sat quiet. Maybe I could have
[02:40:19] sat quiet because people would have
[02:40:21] said, "What are you doing, Becky? You're
[02:40:23] screwing up. You're you're going to blow
[02:40:24] your retirement. Isn't this a Isn't this
[02:40:26] too big of a risk? Think of your
[02:40:28] family." And I was thinking of my family
[02:40:31] and I was talking to God. And I in fact,
[02:40:33] I had a conversation with someone um my
[02:40:37] mother-in-law, my mother-in-law. We had
[02:40:39] a conversation and she was worried about
[02:40:41] me um going up the mountain. She's she
[02:40:45] used something along the lines of aren't
[02:40:47] you going up against the mountain? And I
[02:40:49] told her I said, "Yeah, but if I don't
[02:40:53] go up against the mountain, it's going
[02:40:55] to be sitting on top of us one day, you
[02:40:58] know." So, and I think that's hard to
[02:41:00] understand when you when you're telling
[02:41:02] loved ones, hey, yeah, this is this is
[02:41:04] risky. But in eventually the thing that
[02:41:08] we're afraid of fighting now head on is
[02:41:11] going to be sitting on top of your head,
[02:41:13] you know, and I am doing this because I
[02:41:16] love you guys. I believe that God wants
[02:41:19] me to do I do believe God called me to
[02:41:22] do it and I believe a lot of guys aren't
[02:41:24] called to do it. Um, so I' I've had to
[02:41:26] learn to forgive the people who weren't
[02:41:28] called to do it.
[02:41:29] >> That's that that's important. That
[02:41:31] that's important.
[02:41:32] >> What time is it now?
[02:41:33] >> That's important. Not everyone's called
[02:41:35] to do it, but a few are. I think Charlie
[02:41:38] said something to the effect of let's
[02:41:40] find the people who are and empower them
[02:41:43] and and identify them and empower them.
[02:41:46] Speaking of and and Aaron, I got to run
[02:41:48] because speaking of people, we we're
[02:41:50] going to go to a couple more callers.
[02:41:51] It's 7:30 on the East Coast. We've been
[02:41:53] going for almost 3 hours.
[02:41:56] Um
[02:41:58] I think we have someone on hold we'll go
[02:42:00] to in a second. But speaking of
[02:42:03] identifying empowering
[02:42:04] >> Can I just say something?
[02:42:06] >> You can say it, brother. You can say
[02:42:07] whatever you'd like. You're live.
[02:42:10] >> Yeah. I I wanna I wanna I I think it was
[02:42:12] Michael who who touched on the fact of
[02:42:16] and I just want to say something as as
[02:42:17] your friend or somebody I consider us to
[02:42:19] be friends. Um, I've been treated with
[02:42:24] so much respect from you and your team
[02:42:25] and I've seen what he talked about the
[02:42:28] the encouragement, the positive
[02:42:30] encouragement behind the scenes, the
[02:42:32] praying. Um, I often get asked like what
[02:42:36] is, you know, what do you think of
[02:42:38] James? What's his motivations?
[02:42:41] I tell people all I know for sure is he
[02:42:44] surrounds himself with people that seem
[02:42:47] like they they want to help people like
[02:42:50] who are in my situation who blow the
[02:42:53] whistle. They want the truth revealed
[02:42:55] and they want it for the betterment of
[02:42:57] their country. They want it for the
[02:42:58] betterment of of uh yeah just society as
[02:43:02] a whole. So, I just wanted to say that
[02:43:04] that get that out there that I
[02:43:06] completely agree with Michael.
[02:43:08] >> Well, and I think there's such and I
[02:43:10] think Erin, there's such skepticism
[02:43:12] right now. I I I wasn't raised this way,
[02:43:15] but I think there there's there's a kind
[02:43:17] of justified skepticism towards people
[02:43:20] from everywhere. No one trusts anything.
[02:43:23] everyone distrusts and which breeds to
[02:43:25] all types of conspiracies about people's
[02:43:27] motivations and and and I and I hear you
[02:43:30] on that in in the sense that you know
[02:43:31] what I take away from what you just said
[02:43:33] is that people really are asking you is
[02:43:36] James O'Keefe a real person? Does he you
[02:43:38] know what what what's in his heart? I
[02:43:41] think everyone is distrustful of I think
[02:43:43] everyone's distrustful of everything.
[02:43:45] But perhaps the only way that we know
[02:43:49] that we can trust people is if they make
[02:43:51] sacrifices, if they give of themselves,
[02:43:53] if they if they if they do what you did,
[02:43:57] Erin. And um I hear you when you say not
[02:44:02] everyone's called to do this, but the
[02:44:06] people who are
[02:44:08] teetering, I'm talking to you. That
[02:44:10] might be like 0.001% 0 01% of people.
[02:44:15] And Aaron, I know you're in Arizona.
[02:44:18] You're invited. I'm not trying to put
[02:44:19] you on the spot, but you are invited to
[02:44:21] our training on Monday.
[02:44:23] >> We are going to be doing a training at
[02:44:26] location will be the Dream City Church
[02:44:30] in Phoenix, Arizona. That's Monday the
[02:44:33] 22nd, the day after the funeral.
[02:44:35] So, I know you're retired now, Aaron,
[02:44:38] but but I'd love to see you.
[02:44:40] Yeah, I'd like to see you again, too,
[02:44:42] James. I hope you stay safe and I hope
[02:44:44] your whole team stays safe and I'm sorry
[02:44:46] for your guys' loss because I know you
[02:44:49] know Charlie pretty well and good
[02:44:51] friends and I'm sure some of your teams
[02:44:53] have met him and and uh yeah, I can't uh
[02:44:56] it doesn't get any easier. I wish I
[02:44:59] could tell you something uh positive
[02:45:01] with dealing with what you've dealt
[02:45:02] with, but yeah.
[02:45:04] >> Well, I'm tell you're a great man.
[02:45:08] You're all great people. Also, Aaron,
[02:45:09] you're invited to Mara Lago on November
[02:45:11] 13th. We'll talk about that, but I've
[02:45:13] got to go. I've got about 20 minutes
[02:45:15] left and I got to get through a few
[02:45:16] things. If you call her, some people
[02:45:17] with tips that I want to speak to. Thank
[02:45:19] you, Aaron Becky.
[02:45:20] >> Um,
[02:45:21] >> all right. Thank you, James.
[02:45:23] >> And for those of you still watching,
[02:45:24] thank you for being patient as we do
[02:45:26] this impromptu live show. Anything can
[02:45:29] happen. Um, what is the purpose of
[02:45:32] gaining the whole world? If you lose
[02:45:35] your own soul,
[02:45:37] achieving material success and power and
[02:45:40] money and pleasure, it's worthless and
[02:45:42] meaningless. If it requires sacrificing
[02:45:45] one's inner self and morality and
[02:45:48] spirituality
[02:45:50] and this whole thing has made every all
[02:45:53] of us ask questions like what's the
[02:45:56] point? What's the point of anything?
[02:45:57] Why? Why?
[02:46:00] What's the point of politics? What's the
[02:46:02] point of truthtelling?
[02:46:04] And if you ask you that that question
[02:46:06] why five to six times, you will get very
[02:46:09] deep very fast.
[02:46:12] And I believe there can be a great
[02:46:15] awakening. And that's why we're going to
[02:46:17] go to one or two callers right now who
[02:46:19] have tips and stories to tell. I think
[02:46:22] we have someone on the line. Who is
[02:46:26] Elina? Elena, are you there?
[02:46:31] Hi James. Uh I am here. Uh thank you so
[02:46:35] much for keeping me on hold and for
[02:46:38] allowing me to share the story. Uh first
[02:46:41] of all, you are one of my heroes. Uh
[02:46:43] it's incredibly incredibly courageous
[02:46:46] what you do and of course so is Charlie
[02:46:48] Kirk and my heart goes out to his
[02:46:51] family.
[02:46:53] Um, I wanted to share what's been
[02:46:55] happening in my school district in NASA
[02:46:58] County, Long Island. And I first became
[02:47:01] actually aware of the problems after the
[02:47:04] ATC camp long island expose uh which is
[02:47:08] uh something that your ex organization
[02:47:10] has been a part of uh you know your
[02:47:12] previous work with another organization
[02:47:15] and what it revealed is the connections
[02:47:18] between my district and other
[02:47:19] organization much bigger organizations
[02:47:22] that were pushing woke agenda. Um uh so
[02:47:26] what I wanted to mention is since then
[02:47:29] none of the people have been fired. Uh
[02:47:32] the people that were responsible caught
[02:47:34] on video camera stating that the hiring
[02:47:37] rubric uh to weed out conservatives is
[02:47:40] what they use. Um and in my opinion any
[02:47:44] people of faith uh none of these people
[02:47:46] were let go and not even investigated.
[02:47:50] So that opened up my eyes. I started
[02:47:53] carefully monitoring the administration,
[02:47:56] leading religiously board agenda,
[02:47:59] observing leadership and informing my
[02:48:02] community. Um, and during that time,
[02:48:04] very disturbing issues came to light uh
[02:48:07] from uh I I shared with your staff a
[02:48:11] highly inappropriate survey for that's
[02:48:13] just one example, a gender sex
[02:48:17] preference survey that went out to the
[02:48:19] whole high school community of students.
[02:48:22] uh from age 12 to 17. This is a start.
[02:48:26] >> Uh what sexuality do you identify as?
[02:48:30] >> Uh
[02:48:30] >> and what gender?
[02:48:31] >> I'm just trying to look at what does
[02:48:33] demisexual mean? What is that? I don't
[02:48:35] even know what that is.
[02:48:36] >> Yeah, I have never heard of these gender
[02:48:38] options, but they were listed. And
[02:48:41] >> a sexual orientation individuals only
[02:48:43] experience sexual attraction after
[02:48:44] forming a strong emotional bond.
[02:48:47] A-romantic, sexual, a-romantic, asexual,
[02:48:50] a roshi.
[02:48:52] Never heard of that before.
[02:48:54] >> Yep. Yep. I've never heard of these. Uh,
[02:48:56] >> I'm just I'm just learning this. I
[02:48:58] didn't know this. I'm just learning this
[02:48:59] right now. A a a rosi ai
[02:49:05] is a shorthand for a a-romantic asexual
[02:49:09] identifying someone who experiences
[02:49:10] little to no romantic and sexual
[02:49:11] attraction.
[02:49:12] >> I mean, I don't even know what these
[02:49:14] terms are. I doubt these children. What
[02:49:16] age did you say there?
[02:49:17] >> Well, actually, yeah, age 12 and up
[02:49:21] because our grade, our high school grade
[02:49:22] starts in 8th grade. Uh, not only that,
[02:49:26] the survey asked for consent of
[02:49:28] children, which there it's completely
[02:49:30] legal. They're not supposed to be asking
[02:49:32] consent from kids. Um, so
[02:49:35] >> what is who is the name of the person in
[02:49:37] charge of this program?
[02:49:40] It was a so it was a student that
[02:49:44] her project was approved to go out by a
[02:49:48] teacher by whoever the administrators
[02:49:50] are. This particular survey was approved
[02:49:53] to go out to all students and the
[02:49:55] students were supposed to fill out. It
[02:49:56] was part of a school project. So the
[02:49:59] student was handling the project.
[02:50:00] However, uh her teacher looked at it,
[02:50:04] observed it and allowed it to go out to
[02:50:06] the whole school. Who saw the results of
[02:50:08] the survey? We don't know.
[02:50:10] >> And the teacher, we don't know.
[02:50:12] >> And the teacher's name.
[02:50:15] >> Um, honestly, I forgot the name off of
[02:50:18] hand. I could share it with you later.
[02:50:20] Um,
[02:50:21] >> well, what we need to do is to identify
[02:50:24] >> like, like this is me providing some
[02:50:27] guidance. Identify
[02:50:28] >> who that person is. We want to verify
[02:50:31] that information before we broadcast it
[02:50:33] because we might have our facts wrong.
[02:50:34] And it's probably a good thing that
[02:50:35] you're not saying who it is. Absolutely.
[02:50:37] Absolutely.
[02:50:38] >> We want to identify who that is.
[02:50:39] >> But I want to tell you what happened
[02:50:41] since then.
[02:50:42] >> Once Hold on. Once we identify Hold on.
[02:50:44] We're going to get to that. Once we
[02:50:46] identify who it is that allowed this to
[02:50:50] be given to a 12-year-old, which is
[02:50:54] I think most of us agree is probably
[02:50:55] wrong. We don't want children given
[02:50:59] these surveys. Um, once we identify who
[02:51:02] that is, we're going to put a microphone
[02:51:03] in their face
[02:51:05] and we're going to say, "Why are you
[02:51:07] doing this?" We want to shine a light on
[02:51:10] these people. Now, what you guys are
[02:51:13] going to say is, "Well, James O'Keefe
[02:51:14] needs to go do it." You're not wrong. I
[02:51:18] am doing it, but I need you to do it,
[02:51:22] too. So, and this is a rhetorical
[02:51:25] question to all of you out there, but
[02:51:28] it's a direct question to you.
[02:51:29] >> Who do you know who can do that in your
[02:51:34] life?
[02:51:35] Who's going to do that in this case?
[02:51:40] >> Right. So, um was that a question for
[02:51:43] me?
[02:51:43] >> Yes, Alina.
[02:51:46] >> So, I actually I thank you. I went first
[02:51:49] of all exposed this to the community. I
[02:51:52] went to board meetings and many of us
[02:51:54] have gone to board meetings since then.
[02:51:56] Um there have been no there has been no
[02:52:00] accountability.
[02:52:01] Nobody got punished. We didn't even
[02:52:04] actually get a normal response as to
[02:52:06] what's going to happen and why it
[02:52:08] happened. Uh so that's number one. Most
[02:52:11] importantly your you know the whole
[02:52:13] theme of the show was about retaliation.
[02:52:16] Since I started going to board meetings,
[02:52:20] um I qu and questioning the board, I
[02:52:24] started getting calls from admins
[02:52:27] telling me my child did something wrong
[02:52:29] 16 days ago. And in my school district,
[02:52:33] if a child does something wrong, you get
[02:52:35] a call the same day, like breaks a rule,
[02:52:38] you get a call the same day or the day
[02:52:40] after. In my case, right after I'm
[02:52:43] questioning the school board, I'm
[02:52:45] getting calls from an administrator. Oh,
[02:52:48] uh, you know, Mrs. So and so, your child
[02:52:51] is not in any trouble. However, I just
[02:52:53] want to let you know 16 days ago, he
[02:52:55] takes a water bottle in the hallway. We
[02:52:57] want to make you aware. And I said, I
[02:52:59] know why you're making me aware. You're
[02:53:01] retaliating. You're trying to threaten
[02:53:03] me and intimidate me.
[02:53:04] >> What? What? What?
[02:53:05] >> So that I don't come to board meetings
[02:53:06] anymore. What do you think the most
[02:53:08] important piece of information if you
[02:53:10] had to summarize it in less than 15
[02:53:12] seconds?
[02:53:14] >> Yes.
[02:53:15] >> Less than 15 sec. People's attention
[02:53:17] spans are very limited in this country.
[02:53:19] What is the most evil thing that
[02:53:21] happened in this case? The most wrong
[02:53:24] thing in your opinion?
[02:53:28] >> I would say the most wrong thing was
[02:53:30] having this go out to the school and not
[02:53:34] the school doing nothing. Okay. Thank
[02:53:36] you.
[02:53:37] >> Stop it.
[02:53:37] >> Thank you. What individual
[02:53:40] should be held accountable for this?
[02:53:42] Don't you don't have to give a name. It
[02:53:44] could be a a title or a department head
[02:53:47] or an owner like what what is the the
[02:53:50] nature of the individual?
[02:53:52] >> Is it the the the chairman of the
[02:53:54] school? Is it the superintendent, the
[02:53:55] teacher? Who is it?
[02:53:57] >> Yeah.
[02:53:57] >> Who is it?
[02:53:58] >> So, the superintendent is the the
[02:54:00] superintendent is the CEO of the school
[02:54:02] district and the board and the board
[02:54:04] president. Okay. I believe that in cases
[02:54:06] like this that the the top heads are in
[02:54:09] char and they're responsible. So the top
[02:54:11] the top
[02:54:12] >> okay the superintendent and who is the
[02:54:14] other person? The the head of the
[02:54:15] school.
[02:54:17] >> The board president.
[02:54:18] >> Okay. Thank you.
[02:54:19] >> The board president and the president.
[02:54:21] >> So what I want you to do is to ascertain
[02:54:25] who those people are. We could find that
[02:54:28] out. I'm not going to say their names on
[02:54:30] the air because I I haven't verified
[02:54:32] this. But I want you to do that. And
[02:54:34] then I want you to identify someone that
[02:54:36] you know could be you. Doesn't have to
[02:54:39] be you. It's not going to be me.
[02:54:43] I want you to identify someone to walk
[02:54:46] up to that person.
[02:54:49] Hell, I'll even send you a press badge
[02:54:52] with my name on it.
[02:54:54] >> Okay?
[02:54:54] >> But we have to have the courage
[02:54:57] to stand up
[02:54:59] and to shine a light on them.
[02:55:02] If you do that, I will publish the
[02:55:04] video. I'll publish your video to all of
[02:55:08] my whatever 4 million followers
[02:55:12] to send a message that other people will
[02:55:15] do it too.
[02:55:17] That's my commitment to you.
[02:55:18] >> Sounds good.
[02:55:19] >> Now, your commitment to me is you got to
[02:55:20] find someone to go do it then. So, they
[02:55:22] have to have courage. They have to have
[02:55:24] It's very difficult to to walk up to one
[02:55:26] of these people in a parking lot with a
[02:55:27] microphone to spend half a day. But
[02:55:29] here's what I don't want to do. And by
[02:55:31] the way, Alina, this is not directed at
[02:55:33] you. This is directed at everyone. I'm
[02:55:35] just using your example as a case study.
[02:55:36] Here's what we're not going to do. We're
[02:55:38] not going to complain anymore about how
[02:55:41] there's no accountability. Do you know
[02:55:43] why we're not going to complain anymore
[02:55:44] about that? Because I I I can't. We
[02:55:48] don't have the capacity to worry about
[02:55:50] the things that we can't control.
[02:55:52] What's the thing? What's the prayer, the
[02:55:54] cliche? God gave us the wisdom to know
[02:55:57] the difference between the things that
[02:55:58] we can control and that we can't. I
[02:56:00] can't control whether people are held. I
[02:56:02] I I can only worry about the things that
[02:56:04] I can control. And what I can control is
[02:56:07] shining a light on evil. That I can
[02:56:09] control. That I can do. That we can do.
[02:56:14] So, if there's an individual
[02:56:16] in your place, in your area, in your
[02:56:18] town, who put sex surveys in front of
[02:56:22] 12-year-old girls, talking about how
[02:56:24] they're aerotically sexual or never even
[02:56:27] demisexual or what the heck you just
[02:56:29] said. I never heard about that in my
[02:56:31] life. Then I want you to shine a light
[02:56:34] on them with a microphone and say, "What
[02:56:36] are you doing?" And I will make them
[02:56:38] famous. Does that sound like a good
[02:56:41] idea?
[02:56:43] Absolutely.
[02:56:44] >> Does that sound like a good idea? So now
[02:56:45] it's up to you. It's not up to me. Ball
[02:56:48] ain't in my court. It's not in Cash
[02:56:50] Patel's court. It's not in the DA's
[02:56:53] court. It's not in the police officer's
[02:56:56] court. It's not in the FBI's court. It's
[02:56:58] certainly not in Donald Trump's court.
[02:57:00] And it's not in Charlie Kirk's court.
[02:57:04] It's in your court. So what are you
[02:57:06] going to do about it? And I mean that in
[02:57:09] the most in the I don't mean that in I
[02:57:12] mean I I mean that to attempt to attempt
[02:57:14] to inspire you to go do likewise because
[02:57:18] that is what Charlie Kirk would want me
[02:57:19] to tell you to do. In fact, that's what
[02:57:21] he told me to do when he brought me to
[02:57:24] Turning Point in 2015 in front of his
[02:57:27] hundred or whatever it was 100 students
[02:57:29] at a Holiday Inn. And that's what I'm
[02:57:32] going to do Monday when I go to Arizona
[02:57:36] to this uh uh free of charge. Now, it's
[02:57:41] actually not free. It's costing me
[02:57:42] money. I have to raise money somehow
[02:57:45] someway, God willing. But it's free to
[02:57:47] you. Uh live undercover journalism
[02:57:50] training at Ocean, excuse me, at Dream
[02:57:52] City Church in Phoenix, Arizona. Dream
[02:57:55] City Church at Dream City Church in
[02:58:00] Phoenix, Arizona. You can register on
[02:58:02] the link that we're going to be tweeting
[02:58:04] out.
[02:58:05] Um, yeah. And we're going to have
[02:58:08] security. So, if you come to hurt me or
[02:58:11] threaten me, you will pay the ultimate
[02:58:13] price. We have security professionals
[02:58:15] who are assisting us. Undercover
[02:58:18] journalism training. And Alena, thank
[02:58:19] you for for showing this to me and
[02:58:21] showing the world.
[02:58:23] It's it's um very important that we have
[02:58:25] people like you out there who are the
[02:58:26] eyes and ears. So, thank you Alina for
[02:58:28] calling. Thank you.
[02:58:31] Um
[02:58:33] okay.
[02:58:35] Uh we've been on the air for almost
[02:58:36] three hours live.
[02:58:39] Price is my life. And do we have another
[02:58:42] another one another someone who attended
[02:58:44] the Kirk vigil?
[02:58:50] Nicholas from Boston, you've been
[02:58:53] blowing the whistle on corruption in the
[02:58:55] education system. Uh Nicholas from
[02:58:57] Boston, could you give our viewers a 30
[02:58:59] second overview? Um I I think it's
[02:59:03] important for all of us to learn. And by
[02:59:05] the way, thank you for what you've done
[02:59:08] so far, but I think it's important as
[02:59:09] citizen journalists to identify the who,
[02:59:12] what, when, where, and why. that is to
[02:59:14] identify the important um uh summary of
[02:59:17] what you have uncovered because people
[02:59:19] have such limited attention spans. What
[02:59:22] have you exposed? What have you
[02:59:23] uncovered? Tell the world and where do
[02:59:26] we go from here?
[02:59:28] >> Thanks, James. Um this is Nicholas
[02:59:31] Furello from Boston. Um up behind enemy
[02:59:34] lines fighting the most corrupted
[02:59:37] judicial, political, and law enforcement
[02:59:39] cabal I believe in the United States.
[02:59:42] And I think it's ground zero for the
[02:59:44] deep state. And I am a whistleblower and
[02:59:47] much like yourself uh a tech founder or
[02:59:50] a founder of a corporation that was
[02:59:52] targeted by the deep state for
[02:59:55] developing the largest digital
[02:59:56] infrastructure project in the east
[02:59:59] coast. And when I did not bend a knee
[03:00:02] and do what uh the investors had said
[03:00:05] who were controlled by the deep state,
[03:00:08] uh they went and uh ended up raiding my
[03:00:10] house with uh the municipal and the
[03:00:13] sheriffs in town to silence my
[03:00:15] whistleblowing activities about who they
[03:00:17] were. And they in fact then targeted my
[03:00:20] family. And I think um my price is my
[03:00:25] life has been played out many many
[03:00:27] times. and I possess some of the most
[03:00:30] powerful weapons in the world, which is
[03:00:33] the absolute truth of who, what, when,
[03:00:35] and how uh many Americans just like
[03:00:38] yourself uh trying to spread the good
[03:00:40] word. Uh and also with Charlie in the
[03:00:43] passing and uh his giving his life for
[03:00:45] the cause of the absolute truth. Um have
[03:00:49] been targeted uh by some of the most
[03:00:52] prolific, most evil, I'm considering the
[03:00:54] devil here on earth. and who is behind
[03:00:57] the enemy lines up there in Boston who
[03:00:59] is running things and he makes most of
[03:01:01] his business and most of his
[03:01:03] manipulation of the world and its
[03:01:05] financials and judicial and political is
[03:01:08] uh George Soros um and his control over
[03:01:12] Governor Healey and of course the mayor
[03:01:15] and us being targeted uh my family as
[03:01:17] well uh in a university and in a local
[03:01:20] high school for preaching the truth
[03:01:23] about what they had done to take over
[03:01:24] our company.
[03:01:25] >> What can you tell us what what the the
[03:01:28] most
[03:01:29] um the fraud or the abuse that you
[03:01:31] witnessed, the corruption that you
[03:01:33] witnessed, the evil that you witnessed
[03:01:35] in as few words as possible?
[03:01:38] >> Sure. So, um, just just the overall
[03:01:42] ridiculousness of the corruption and the
[03:01:46] control over local judges, clerks,
[03:01:50] sheriffs, police, and actually the
[03:01:52] Boston office of the FBI and their
[03:01:55] attempts to silence me at any cost. They
[03:01:58] will stop at nothing. And uh during the
[03:02:02] founding of this company and bringing
[03:02:04] this up to a a multi-undred
[03:02:08] million dollar valuation, I happened to
[03:02:11] um come into contact with James Whitey
[03:02:14] Bulier who was not dead but alive. And I
[03:02:18] happened to have a one in 8 billion
[03:02:20] chance encounter in May of 2023.
[03:02:24] And I have the photos to prove it on
[03:02:26] gotten.com.
[03:02:29] And I propered that to the local office
[03:02:31] of the FBI and the sack in charge. And
[03:02:34] then at that point once I propered that
[03:02:36] they threatened uh you know my life
[03:02:39] multiple times and also attempted to
[03:02:43] remove me from the company that
[03:02:45] controlled this large digital
[03:02:47] infrastructure project. So I know who it
[03:02:50] is. It's it's George Soros. I know who
[03:02:52] he controls. It's the governor Moore
[03:02:54] Healey and the mayor Michelle Woo and
[03:02:57] certain political uh operatives on the
[03:03:00] ground Thomas O'Neal and William Debella
[03:03:03] in Connecticut and actually Colonel Mann
[03:03:07] uh and the local police sheriffs and
[03:03:09] their attempts to raid my house, kick
[03:03:12] the doors in, and who let them in at the
[03:03:15] time uh was George Soros's left hand um
[03:03:19] the founder uh and top guy at Wiki.
[03:03:23] media at the time in NPR news, Joseph
[03:03:26] Mazonei and his alleged wife who her
[03:03:30] father was the founder of thermofisher.
[03:03:32] >> Okay.
[03:03:34] >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very
[03:03:35] much, sir. So, just another another
[03:03:39] coaching for people out there um if we
[03:03:41] can't summarize what our story is in 20
[03:03:45] seconds or less, we can't do our jobs.
[03:03:48] We have to be able to identify the lead.
[03:03:50] That's the le journalistic lead of the
[03:03:53] story in a tweet. That doesn't mean we
[03:03:56] can't go on for an hour um later, but we
[03:04:02] have to be able to communicate
[03:04:04] what is important and what is um
[03:04:09] the takeaway in a way that everyone can
[03:04:12] understand.
[03:04:14] And I'm doing this for all of you to
[03:04:15] demonstrate that because we have to be
[03:04:17] better. We have to be able to
[03:04:18] communicate what we're what the story is
[03:04:21] within the first 15 seconds so that we
[03:04:22] literally go, "OMG."
[03:04:24] Um, we have the next person who
[03:04:27] attended. Do we have the individual who
[03:04:29] attended a vigil on the on the line and
[03:04:32] who saw agitators? Do we have that
[03:04:35] person?
[03:04:37] Okay. It was a different individual. Do
[03:04:39] we have anyone else um on standby
[03:04:43] before we
[03:04:45] market our event on Monday one more
[03:04:47] time?
[03:04:52] If not, let's go to the Charlie. Let's
[03:04:54] let's we're coming to a close here on
[03:04:56] the Price is my life live. Um,
[03:05:00] if we could go back to
[03:05:02] um any videos of me and Charlie that we
[03:05:05] didn't play.
[03:05:10] Yep.
[03:05:12] Um,
[03:05:14] uh, by the way, Price is my life live.
[03:05:16] Um, if you're an all access member of
[03:05:19] OMG, that means if you're a subscriber
[03:05:21] to OMG, uh, we are going to be doing our
[03:05:25] show with guests live each week and
[03:05:27] you'll be able to call in and ask
[03:05:29] questions to our guests on the air. Um,
[03:05:33] by the way, this is a clip from Amfest
[03:05:35] from last year. This is Tucker Carlson,
[03:05:38] Tim P, and myself. Also, Sheamus, one of
[03:05:42] my close friends here in West Palm
[03:05:44] Beach. good guy, Irish guy talking about
[03:05:46] the IBM story. We have this clip. Play
[03:05:48] this clip.
[03:05:49] >> But so James, you have other companies
[03:05:50] reaching out to you.
[03:05:51] >> Yes, constantly you usually on Signal or
[03:05:54] on our website just non-stop. Banks,
[03:05:57] institutions. I mean, I prefer video
[03:05:59] because I think documents are not as
[03:06:00] powerful, but it's non-stop. It just
[03:06:03] seems like it takes one and then a
[03:06:05] crescendo.
[03:06:05] >> You and you know this, just give them a
[03:06:07] camera and have them ask the HR person
[03:06:08] about the document, right? And then you
[03:06:10] get a video.
[03:06:10] >> There's a lot of this like I have a
[03:06:12] mortgage, I have a wife, I have a kids.
[03:06:13] this it's it's always these
[03:06:14] complications.
[03:06:15] >> How do you respond to that?
[03:06:17] >> It's tough. I mean, I I it's I don't
[03:06:19] have a mortgage and kids, not yet. But
[03:06:22] it's tough to empathize. Um the the one
[03:06:24] individual was very uh inspired by that
[03:06:27] one clip that you and I are talking
[03:06:28] about. It's very powerful.
[03:06:29] >> The pastor was there was a minister
[03:06:32] talking to me about how afraid he was.
[03:06:34] >> You should resign from the ministry.
[03:06:36] Honestly, I don't I'm not qualified to
[03:06:38] to advise the minister. And I said to
[03:06:40] the person, what I say is, "What's the
[03:06:42] worst thing that can happen to you if
[03:06:43] you tell the truth?"
[03:06:45] >> And he goes, "Gee, I never I never
[03:06:47] thought about it that way."
[03:06:48] >> And this individual with an IBM had seen
[03:06:51] that clip and also saw the Elon Musk,
[03:06:53] you know, fu Bob speech and Elon Musk,
[03:06:56] you know, IBM and Disney advertising.
[03:06:58] >> So, so, so Charlie there, um, that's a
[03:07:02] very important moment actually. Charlie
[03:07:05] said that minister needs to resign. I
[03:07:07] hate to put the minister on the spot,
[03:07:08] but that's Charlie's perspective. Uh,
[03:07:12] we're talking about this clip from
[03:07:13] Pittsburgh from 2023 where we asked the
[03:07:16] question, "What are you so afraid of?"
[03:07:19] What are you so afraid of? I don't know
[03:07:22] if my team can pull up that clip YouTube
[03:07:25] fall 2023
[03:07:27] in the audience where we asked the
[03:07:29] minister, "What are you so afraid of?"
[03:07:30] Charlie Kirk there um
[03:07:34] saying the minister needs to resign.
[03:07:36] because he's afraid of losing something.
[03:07:39] You know, I want you everyone to
[03:07:40] understand that, you know, in your chest
[03:07:42] there's a there's a heart that's beating
[03:07:45] at so many beats per minute, you know,
[03:07:48] whatever it is. And unless
[03:07:53] Elon Musk solves this problem, which
[03:07:56] part of me doesn't want him to, the
[03:07:59] heart will eventually stop beating
[03:08:02] and all of us are going to die.
[03:08:06] And at a certain point in your life, you
[03:08:08] come to grips with your own mortality.
[03:08:11] And you I've come to grips with my own
[03:08:14] mortality, I would say, in the within
[03:08:16] the last 3 years.
[03:08:19] And you realize that we're all going to
[03:08:23] die. So what exactly are you afraid of?
[03:08:27] What what causes you to not do the
[03:08:30] thing?
[03:08:32] Do we have the clip, team? We'll end
[03:08:34] with this this this moment that Charlie
[03:08:38] Kirk
[03:08:40] um is talking about on stage with Tucker
[03:08:42] Carlson.
[03:08:44] I think we have a real it's in the
[03:08:46] channel. Um what are you so afraid of?
[03:08:49] Which made we made a we made a song out
[03:08:51] of this with Spirit the Rapper. Let's
[03:08:54] cue it up. This clip that Charlie was
[03:08:56] referring to. Play it, please.
[03:09:01] Let's get some sound on the clip if we
[03:09:03] could.
[03:09:05] No sound.
[03:09:09] Do we have sound, guys?
[03:09:13] Well, this is in Pittsburgh,
[03:09:14] Pennsylvania.
[03:09:16] I say, "What's holding you back?" And he
[03:09:18] says, "Fear."
[03:09:19] >> Fear. It's irrational. I want to become
[03:09:22] less afraid. What are you afraid of?
[03:09:24] Lose my job. And then I have two little
[03:09:25] kids at home. We have a house. I have a
[03:09:28] wife. We like a lot of what we do, but
[03:09:31] we feel like there's so much truth to
[03:09:33] tell. So, what's holding you back? Fear.
[03:09:35] It's irrational.
[03:09:36] >> What are we actually afraid of?
[03:09:39] Especially Christians, they talk about
[03:09:41] eternal life and they're worried about
[03:09:42] losing their stuff and their money. I
[03:09:45] don't get that at all because you don't
[03:09:47] take any of that stuff when you die. And
[03:09:49] when we're on our deathbed, I'm willing
[03:09:50] to bet we're probably not thinking about
[03:09:52] our stuff and our money. I think we
[03:09:53] think about whether we followed our
[03:09:56] conscience. I don't have children, so I
[03:09:58] can't fully empathize.
[03:10:00] >> Well, I would think that if I did have
[03:10:02] children,
[03:10:02] >> keep going.
[03:10:04] >> Keep going.
[03:10:05] >> My little boys would would appreciate
[03:10:06] the fact that I followed my conscience,
[03:10:08] even if it meant I lived in a smaller
[03:10:10] house. So, you have to really evaluate
[03:10:13] why is it what's the worst thing that
[03:10:15] could actually happen to you? They can
[03:10:17] stop me and maybe they will, but they
[03:10:19] can't stop me and you and like a couple
[03:10:21] hundred other people.
[03:10:23] >> Okay.
[03:10:24] >> Okay. All right. Now, let's go back to
[03:10:25] that Charlie Kirk clip one more time
[03:10:28] where Charlie is talking about this
[03:10:31] moment so that now we've heard the
[03:10:32] moment, we can put it into context. Go
[03:10:34] ahead,
[03:10:34] >> James. You have other companies reaching
[03:10:36] out to you?
[03:10:36] >> Yes, constantly you usually on Signal or
[03:10:40] on our website just non-stop, banks,
[03:10:42] institutions. I mean, I prefer video
[03:10:44] because I think documents are not as
[03:10:46] powerful, but it's non-stop. It just
[03:10:48] seems like it takes one and then a
[03:10:50] crescendo. you and you know this just
[03:10:51] give them a camera and have them ask the
[03:10:53] HR person about the document, right? And
[03:10:55] then you get a video.
[03:10:56] >> There's a lot of this like I have a
[03:10:57] mortgage, I have a wife, I have a kid.
[03:10:59] >> So Charles's advice there was to if
[03:11:00] you're on the inside, just record them
[03:11:04] talking about the thing, but go ahead,
[03:11:08] keep playing it. It's always these
[03:11:10] conversations.
[03:11:10] >> How do you respond to that?
[03:11:12] >> It's tough. I mean, I I it's I don't
[03:11:14] have a mortgage and kids, not yet. But
[03:11:17] it's tough to empathize. Um the the one
[03:11:20] individual was very uh inspired by that
[03:11:22] one clip that you and I are talking
[03:11:23] about the it's very powerful.
[03:11:25] >> The pastor was it was a minister talking
[03:11:28] to me about how afraid he was.
[03:11:30] >> You should resign from the ministry. I'm
[03:11:31] not a minister. I don't I'm not
[03:11:32] qualified to he should resign from the
[03:11:35] ministry. So anyways, I wanted to leave
[03:11:36] you with that. It was really it was
[03:11:39] really powerful and um to come to a
[03:11:43] close here on the prices of my life.
[03:11:45] We're again, we're going to be having a
[03:11:47] training in Arizona. We're going to be
[03:11:49] publishing and marketing that over the
[03:11:51] next few days. We'll put out the the
[03:11:54] deposition clip tomorrow. The demonic
[03:11:56] satanic I want to carve your heart out
[03:11:58] and eat it. And we're going to have a
[03:12:01] training on Monday in Arizona. Citizen
[03:12:03] journalist. I love the idea of
[03:12:05] empowering you guys to go do the thing,
[03:12:08] not just entertain you with me doing the
[03:12:10] thing. I'm happy to do it. We'll
[03:12:11] continue to do it. and we're very good
[03:12:13] at it here. But we're going to be you
[03:12:15] can register for the O'Keefe Academy
[03:12:17] Master Class in Phoenix, Arizona.
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[03:12:25] Please register. It is free of charge.
[03:12:28] It's going to cost us. We'll figure that
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[03:12:34] Lago, November 13th. It's $3,000 a
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[03:12:40] Lago hosted by me. An unforgettable
[03:12:43] evening, the Citizen Journalism Awards,
[03:12:46] the Academy Awards for Citizen
[03:12:47] Journalism with the inaugural award, the
[03:12:50] Charlie Kirk Award for Freedom, as well
[03:12:53] as whistleblower awards for the people
[03:12:55] that are brave. Until next time,
[03:12:59] Price is My Life
[03:13:02] from West Palm Beach. And if you're a
[03:13:05] subscriber to OMG, you can call in and
[03:13:07] ask the next guest questions. Be brave.
[03:13:10] Fear no evil. I'll see you in Arizona.
[03:13:26] This morning when I woke, I couldn't
[03:13:28] stop hearing tear drops on my ceiling
[03:13:32] falling from the eyes of the beautiful
[03:13:34] angel I had slaughtered. Hold me,
[03:13:36] ignoring what you told me only for a
[03:13:39] moment.
[03:13:40] Everything is fine in the beautiful
[03:13:42] golden path. Unfolding anger in response
[03:13:45] to my emotion. All the trauma left
[03:13:48] unopen. Joe with all a wig and flying.
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