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[00:00:00] Wouldn't it be a better solution to like [00:00:03] uh to just like legalize like the labor [00:00:06] of uh of of pe like even like illegal [00:00:08] immigrants and just make sure like they [00:00:10] have to get paid as much so that they [00:00:11] can't be like exploited? [00:00:12] >> No. [00:00:13] >> Why is that? [00:00:14] >> Well well send send them back to their [00:00:15] country of origin if they're here here [00:00:16] illegally. [00:00:17] >> But what if they're like a refugee? [00:00:19] >> Well, if they're do they claim asylum [00:00:21] correctly? What are they a refugee from? [00:00:23] A poor country or actual war? Well, I [00:00:25] Well, I mean like there's like [00:00:27] >> the refugees the asylum is being abused. [00:00:29] Like you wouldn't People are saying, [00:00:30] "Oh, I'm claiming asylum from Mexico. [00:00:32] Why? Because of cartel violence." Okay, [00:00:35] can I claim asylum from Chicago because [00:00:36] of gang violence? I mean, we're not [00:00:39] we're we're equally as dangerous of a [00:00:40] country as Mexico now in our inner [00:00:42] cities. So, we're not exactly one to [00:00:44] like give people asylum. [00:00:46] >> I'm not I'm not convinced that that's [00:00:47] true. [00:00:48] >> In downtown Chicago, downtown Baltimore. [00:00:50] >> Okay. Well, you could just move out of [00:00:51] Baltimore. You could just go to a [00:00:52] different part of the country. I I I I [00:00:54] agree. But you would get shouted down by [00:00:56] a lot of inner city blacks that say [00:00:58] that, you know, they don't have the [00:00:59] capital or the resources to leave [00:01:01] Baltimore or Chicago, right? And that's [00:01:02] where they live. Telling people to leave [00:01:03] their home is like a really cruel thing [00:01:05] to say, I think. [00:01:05] >> Yeah. But but secondly, um yes, I think [00:01:09] that even if you gain the refugee [00:01:10] status, you should go home. Yes. [00:01:13] >> What what what are what what are they [00:01:14] claiming refugee stat asylum from? I [00:01:16] >> I don't know. I just remember like uh I [00:01:18] I'm I'm not super familiar. I just [00:01:20] remember like a few years ago like uh [00:01:21] Honduras was pretty bad and so people [00:01:23] were coming up here and then they were [00:01:24] like getting rejected at the border. Uh [00:01:27] and [00:01:27] >> yeah, I mean go back to your country and [00:01:28] fix it. We have huge problems in this [00:01:30] country. [00:01:31] >> We [00:01:32] >> but it's like it's like a it's like [00:01:33] international law to accept like asylum [00:01:35] seekers. [00:01:36] >> Okay, we don't have to follow [00:01:38] international law. We have American law. [00:01:40] If international law tells you you have [00:01:41] to bring in a million foreigners, we [00:01:43] don't have to follow international law. [00:01:45] >> American law supersedes international [00:01:47] law. But um but what what are we what [00:01:50] are we what are we uh losing by bringing [00:01:52] more people in? [00:01:53] >> Well, first of all, wages go down, our [00:01:55] social services get overflowed, crime [00:01:57] goes up, and you lose you lose a social [00:02:00] you you lose a common American identity, [00:02:02] and that's not a racial thing. You lose [00:02:04] a when when you bring in millions of [00:02:06] people that don't share the same [00:02:07] American story and they all speak [00:02:08] different languages, you're a nation of [00:02:10] strangers. You need time for [00:02:11] assimilation. We don't have that. More [00:02:13] people speak Spanish than English in the [00:02:14] state of California. So, do you think we [00:02:16] should uh just uh I I think I think we [00:02:19] should have more people learn Spanish [00:02:20] because because uh being bilingual is [00:02:23] good mentally. I also I'm pretty sure [00:02:24] there's not much evidence that like [00:02:26] crime actually goes up and social [00:02:28] services are being used a lot by [00:02:29] illegal. [00:02:30] >> Have you seen just like have you seen [00:02:31] what's going on in New York? They're [00:02:32] literally overrunning schools cuz they [00:02:34] don't have the social services to fit [00:02:35] all the illegals that are coming into [00:02:37] the country. They're overrunning school [00:02:38] districts, overrunning hospitals. But [00:02:40] here's the question is what should our [00:02:41] immigration policy be? Number one, a [00:02:43] government exists to represent its [00:02:45] citizens. It does not exist to solve the [00:02:48] problems of foreigners. That's nice once [00:02:49] you solve your own problems. And so, you [00:02:51] must put your own people first. And [00:02:53] right now, our people are being spit on, [00:02:56] ignored, and not prioritized, especially [00:02:58] young people in this country. It is [00:03:00] harder than ever for you guys to own [00:03:01] homes, harder than ever for you to get [00:03:03] well-paying jobs, harder than ever for [00:03:05] you guys to build a family. And we have [00:03:06] to be lectured that we have to go bring [00:03:08] in all the problems in the third world. [00:03:10] No, we should close the doors and say [00:03:12] you're welcome into this country if and [00:03:13] when we solve our problems here [00:03:15] domestically. [00:03:16] >> We see a lot of immigration coming in [00:03:18] from all over the world, especially here [00:03:20] and in Europe. And we agree that we [00:03:23] should all deport them. They should go [00:03:24] back. There's no reason why they should [00:03:26] be here. But I disagree about legal [00:03:29] immigration fundamentally as well [00:03:31] because it inherently changes the makeup [00:03:33] of society. And you have it in Europe as [00:03:36] well where you have Africans, North [00:03:38] Americans, Arabs coming in and they're [00:03:41] fundamentally changing the makeup of [00:03:43] European countries and here as well. And [00:03:46] I don't think that those countries are [00:03:49] European without their native stock. [00:03:51] >> I'm very outspoken. I think Islam is [00:03:52] incompat incompatible with large parts [00:03:54] of Western civilization. I think Islam [00:03:56] is. But look, I mean, you make an [00:03:58] important point. If you think you could [00:04:00] just import millions of people into your [00:04:02] country and assimilation will happen [00:04:04] overnight just because they're going to [00:04:05] start eating at McDonald's and In-N-Out [00:04:06] Burger and wearing blue jeans, it's not [00:04:08] true. And so we want unity and [00:04:10] assimilation. And quite honestly, that's [00:04:12] why I think we should shut off all [00:04:13] immigration, legal and illegal for the [00:04:15] time being and as we did in the 1930s, [00:04:17] 40s50s and 60s, early 60s. [00:04:19] >> People coming over here not having the [00:04:21] same American experience, the same [00:04:23] American dream. What is this American [00:04:27] experience? Then what is being an [00:04:28] American? None of us here it's this is [00:04:30] not a race thing. This is people from [00:04:33] all over the world building this country [00:04:36] to be something greater. Like I just I [00:04:38] think I really didn't agree with that. [00:04:40] You know they're not here for the [00:04:41] American experience. How is them coming [00:04:44] to this country to better themselves, to [00:04:46] better their families? And I think we [00:04:48] could totally agree that you know there [00:04:50] is an issue when it comes to the amount [00:04:52] of people that are coming over. What [00:04:55] makes an American experience an American [00:04:57] experience? [00:04:58] >> Well, I'll ask you that question first. [00:04:59] What is an American? What is an [00:05:00] American? [00:05:01] >> I think American is somebody who [00:05:04] identifies, you know, in this country. I [00:05:06] think that you can move here. Oh, so [00:05:07] sorry. You can be born here. I think [00:05:09] it's a variety of different things. And [00:05:11] we look back to the conception of this [00:05:13] country, right? Like every every single [00:05:15] person, you know, they came here, you [00:05:18] know, some didn't want to come here. [00:05:19] They're brought here forcefully. Every [00:05:21] single person came from all over the the [00:05:24] globe to establish something different. [00:05:26] >> Got it. So I I I agree with part of [00:05:28] that. So you would agree there's [00:05:29] difference between immigrants and [00:05:30] settlers. [00:05:31] >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. [00:05:32] >> So So this is why I love Salt Lake. This [00:05:34] place was built from nothing. Yes. The [00:05:36] youths were here, but it was nothing. [00:05:37] Okay. [00:05:38] >> I I would I would disagree with the fact [00:05:40] that there's nothing. [00:05:41] >> What was here? [00:05:42] >> What was here is we have civilization. [00:05:44] >> When Brigham Young came here, what was [00:05:46] here? Like are we talking infrastructure [00:05:48] or [00:05:49] >> like how about were there laws, [00:05:50] governments, city councils, railroads? [00:05:52] >> Yes, absolutely. There were there wasn't [00:05:54] physical infrastructure but but laws [00:05:56] when it comes to tribal laws like that's [00:05:57] always existed. [00:05:58] >> Well, they were what what what tribal [00:06:01] laws do the youths have when Brigham [00:06:02] Young arrived? [00:06:03] >> I I wouldn't be able to speak. [00:06:04] >> It was next to nothing. It was like it [00:06:06] was nothing. This is why I love Salt [00:06:07] Lake because it's a great example of [00:06:09] what makes America a different country [00:06:10] than how people present it. is that when [00:06:13] Brigham Young came exiled from Nauvoo, [00:06:15] Illinois, I'm not even a Mormon saying [00:06:16] this is that he had to build something [00:06:18] ex nihilo from nothing. So he was not an [00:06:20] immigrant, he was a settler. And being a [00:06:22] settler is the hardest thing. So you [00:06:25] have to build something from nothing. [00:06:26] You have to get people to agree. You [00:06:28] have to form a government. You have to [00:06:29] try to, you know, have commerce and [00:06:31] wealth and not have people kill each [00:06:32] other. And most times it doesn't work, [00:06:34] right? So you might say, well, why is [00:06:36] that applicable? So settlers built the [00:06:39] country and then immigrants came to the [00:06:41] country. So, but you cease to have a [00:06:43] country if you do not have people that [00:06:45] have shared values. Okay? If values are [00:06:48] not shared and values are communicated [00:06:50] through language. So, if you don't speak [00:06:52] the same language, it's hard to [00:06:53] communicate those values. Then you are [00:06:55] something other than a country. You're a [00:06:57] colony. You're a big economy. You're [00:07:00] just something called a country. If you [00:07:01] cease to have western values as the [00:07:03] priority of your country, then the [00:07:05] country will no longer be western. [00:07:07] Right? So if you bring in a bunch of [00:07:09] people that do not necessarily share [00:07:11] that value system or you not even try to [00:07:12] assimilate them to that value system [00:07:14] that have a different belief on private [00:07:15] property, free speech, consent to the [00:07:18] government. So you make a good point. [00:07:19] You say an American is someone who wants [00:07:20] a better life. That's part of being an [00:07:22] American. I think I think an American is [00:07:24] someone who believes in the the the [00:07:26] basic tenants of US Constitution. Like [00:07:28] that's a good start. Yeah. [00:07:29] >> So, if you [00:07:31] are not educated in the promise of the [00:07:33] Constitution, they are coming and [00:07:35] they're like indiffabilization [00:07:39] whether you want it or not. That's just [00:07:40] that's just a rational belief. [00:07:44] >> Yeah. I don't think you disagree with [00:07:45] that, right? [00:07:46] >> No, I definitely it's not a racial [00:07:48] thing. It's that when you have too many [00:07:49] people coming into a country too [00:07:51] quickly, that country will cease to [00:07:53] exist. Well, [00:07:54] >> especially when assimilation is not able [00:07:56] to keep up with. [00:07:56] >> I think the idea that like having all of [00:07:58] these cultures is a negative thing. Like [00:08:01] again, I would to I think we can both [00:08:02] agree that you know having a mass influx [00:08:06] of people that's uncontrollable. [00:08:07] >> We totally agree. Yes, you need an [00:08:09] assimilation period. [00:08:10] >> I I think but I still think that those [00:08:11] cultures and values that they bring even [00:08:13] if they even if you know they slightly [00:08:16] conflict with other things, those are so [00:08:18] valuable. [00:08:19] >> Let's let's let's play let's let's play [00:08:20] this out. So they're valuable, but there [00:08:22] are certain cultures when they come to [00:08:24] this country to their credit, they [00:08:27] actually no longer prefer that culture [00:08:29] and they embrace western culture. [00:08:30] >> Can we say that about like [00:08:32] >> can I can I give you an example Indians [00:08:34] okay love Indian culture but I'm glad [00:08:36] the cast system doesn't dictate American [00:08:38] life. [00:08:38] >> Sure. Right. But can't can't we say the [00:08:40] same thing about you know in the [00:08:41] beginning of this country we have you [00:08:43] know people like Scottish England like [00:08:44] you know they're in the same area but [00:08:46] they share very different ideals and a [00:08:48] lot of them tried to make their own [00:08:49] organiza like civilizations to have [00:08:52] their own belief system but yet we still [00:08:55] >> mean it was America right yeah [00:08:56] >> but and yes what I'm saying is these [00:08:58] different beliefs came together and you [00:09:01] know [00:09:01] >> well it's less so than you think though [00:09:02] it's that every one of those original [00:09:04] colonies were Christian in nature so [00:09:07] they had something undergurting And the [00:09:08] constitution was just the distillation [00:09:10] of all together. We're not we're not [00:09:11] disagreeing, but assimilation is [00:09:13] something you agree with. [00:09:14] >> Yeah. [00:09:14] >> Okay. So then I'll I'll I'll make my [00:09:16] final point. You must assimilate towards [00:09:18] something. What is that? [00:09:20] >> I think you know it's I think you can't [00:09:22] like I don't think you can completely [00:09:24] assimilate, but you know we have a [00:09:25] culture here. [00:09:26] >> No, I agree. But we have to we have to [00:09:27] at least encourage it in a direction, [00:09:28] right? And I completely and we have to [00:09:30] figure out what that is without being [00:09:31] called a racist. And I think it's the US [00:09:34] Constitution. I think it's a shared [00:09:35] American story. I think it's merit over [00:09:38] race. I think it's deemphasizing [00:09:40] tribalism. So, there are three forms of [00:09:42] government. You can have tribalism, [00:09:44] globalism, or nationalism. Everything [00:09:46] fits into one of those three things. [00:09:48] Nationalism gets a bad rap. But [00:09:50] nationalism is the American story, [00:09:52] right? We have borders. We have a shared [00:09:54] project. Like, you're going to have [00:09:56] shared values. And they want more of a [00:09:58] globalism, tribalism mixture where it's [00:10:00] like, okay, you're part of this racial [00:10:01] group. Like I I think that's really bad [00:10:03] and damaging for the