Charlie Kirk's All Time Most Viral Abortion Takedown

[00:00:00] I wanted to respond to a kind of a [00:00:01] specific comment you made. I hope you'll [00:00:03] be open to that. I do remember I I'm [00:00:05] sorry. I'm not sure what university you [00:00:06] did say this specifically at, but you [00:00:08] did state that you believe that the [00:00:10] Holocaust was not as bad as abortion. [00:00:13] So, in other words, you believe that [00:00:14] abortion is worse than the Holocaust. [00:00:17] >> Uh, so they're they're both distinct [00:00:19] evils with some similarities. [00:00:22] >> The Holocaust in some ways was far more [00:00:24] evil, but as far as magnitude, the [00:00:26] abortion crime is more evil. I can [00:00:28] explain more if you'd like. [00:00:29] >> Okay. Sure. So, I did I did do some [00:00:32] research. It is found that 1973 Roie [00:00:37] Wade was ratified. Correct. And so, one [00:00:39] thing that you did fail to mention was [00:00:41] that specifically I numbers are just [00:00:43] larger because abortion has been going [00:00:45] on for a longer amount of time. If the [00:00:47] mass genocide, right, that the Holocaust [00:00:50] was would have continued. It was about 6 [00:00:53] million killed per year. That would have [00:00:54] progressed to 12 million. That would [00:00:55] have progressed to 18 million. But it [00:00:57] was ended because again it's a [00:00:58] totalitarian form of mass genocide. And [00:01:01] so I wanted to ask you when you look at [00:01:04] the 93% of women who do get abortions, [00:01:07] it's 58,590,000 [00:01:09] that get abortions the first trimester. [00:01:11] Correct. And there is there is [00:01:13] suggestive data that states that 12 uh [00:01:16] sorry 12 year weeks, excuse me, of [00:01:18] gestation um there is significant data [00:01:21] that has said that pain receptors may [00:01:23] not have yet been developed. And so that [00:01:25] would mean that outside of the women who [00:01:28] received abortions first trimester, it [00:01:30] would be 88,200 per year after the first [00:01:33] trimester, that the babies are are [00:01:35] likely experiencing pain. I will I will [00:01:36] admit to that. However, I am pretty sure [00:01:39] that every single person in the [00:01:42] Holocaust, which would have been 2 [00:01:44] million per year, uh, as far as the [00:01:47] people who could feel pain, did did feel [00:01:50] that pain. And so I would I would like [00:01:52] to ask you um actually I think I would [00:01:54] just like to tell you I think that that [00:01:56] 2 million actual people uh kids grown [00:02:01] people people who were starved work to [00:02:03] death I think that that is more [00:02:05] significant than the 88,200 [00:02:08] life forms if you will because again [00:02:10] 58,590,000 [00:02:12] of them are probably not feeling that [00:02:14] but any pain. [00:02:17] >> Okay. Yeah. But a human life is a human [00:02:19] life. Regardless of how advanced it is [00:02:20] or whether it can feel pain, it still [00:02:22] has moral worth. [00:02:23] >> Right. But I just I like I found it [00:02:25] interesting. You said it's worse. So I I [00:02:27] think [00:02:28] >> So it's worse in numbers. Okay. [00:02:29] >> The Holocaust was worse for two other [00:02:32] different reasons. [00:02:32] >> Sure. Go ahead. [00:02:33] >> It actually eliminated such a big [00:02:36] portion of Jewish population. Nearly [00:02:39] half of all living Jews were basically [00:02:41] vaporized. [00:02:43] And secondly, there was an intent and an [00:02:45] evil of trying to eradicate an entire [00:02:48] religious people. That is not [00:02:51] unparalleled, but we've only seen that [00:02:52] happen four or five times in history. [00:02:55] >> But just to reiterate the point, [00:02:58] >> what maybe you could tell me a four-week [00:03:00] old baby who may or may not feel pain. [00:03:03] Let me let me take your argument and say [00:03:05] the four-we old baby cannot feel pain. [00:03:07] >> A four-week old baby that's outside of [00:03:08] the window in the uterine. [00:03:10] >> Understood. So, what is the moral [00:03:12] difference of that four-week old baby [00:03:14] versus you? [00:03:16] >> Versus me? [00:03:16] >> Yeah. Why? Why? Why do you matter more [00:03:18] than that four-week old baby? [00:03:20] >> Because I have uh past experience, I [00:03:22] also have future experiences. Uh that [00:03:24] baby, while it has future experiences. [00:03:25] Nope. Shut up. Nope. You are incorrect. [00:03:27] That baby does not have any past [00:03:29] experiences. Um and therefore, I believe [00:03:31] that yeah, I've probably affected and [00:03:33] impacted more people in both a positive [00:03:34] and a negative way than that four-week [00:03:36] old uterus has. [00:03:38] >> I'm sorry, not uterus, [00:03:39] >> embryo. Yeah. So, just to make sure I'm [00:03:41] clear, yeah, that that your moral [00:03:45] worldview [00:03:46] >> is that people gain more value the older [00:03:49] they get. [00:03:50] >> Not necessarily the older they get. I [00:03:51] would say that people gain [00:03:52] >> No, you just said you said that based on [00:03:54] what they've done. So, like an [00:03:56] 82-year-old has more moral value than an [00:03:57] 8-year-old. In fact, usually, just to [00:04:00] interrupt, the West actually was built [00:04:01] on the opposite idea that we sacrificed [00:04:03] the old for the young, but during co we [00:04:06] sacrificed the young for the old and we [00:04:08] actually inverted it. It used to be that [00:04:09] the grandparents would fall on the sword [00:04:11] so that kids could live longer lives. [00:04:13] >> So I'm just trying to understand like [00:04:15] and from where do you get that moral [00:04:17] worldview? Why why do you believe that? [00:04:19] >> Well, I wouldn't even say that. What I'm [00:04:21] arguing is that it's it's based off of [00:04:23] how many people you know? What I'm [00:04:25] saying is realistically if you are [00:04:27] walking around, hold on. If you are [00:04:28] walking around, right, and you have a [00:04:30] four-week old uterus, I'm so sorry I [00:04:33] keep saying uterus. I embra [00:04:36] or embryo. Okay. uh in your stomach and [00:04:38] then you have uh let's just take a uh [00:04:42] four-year-old kid. All right. Um there [00:04:44] are number one there are more people who [00:04:47] most likely know that four-year-old kid. [00:04:49] That four-year-old kid has the ability [00:04:51] to understand fear, the fact that its [00:04:53] life is in danger. And so therefore, [00:04:56] there is probably there's probably more [00:04:58] reason right to not ter uh terminate the [00:05:01] life of that four-year-old rather than [00:05:02] the life of the four-week old. So there [00:05:05] there there's so much wrong with that [00:05:07] argument. [00:05:08] >> So under that belief system, [00:05:10] >> sure [00:05:12] >> if if by government decree they said [00:05:14] let's eliminate the down syndrome kids. [00:05:16] >> Uh do down [clears throat] syndrome [00:05:18] people still have the ability to feel [00:05:19] pain, recognize fear, recognize sadness. [00:05:21] >> But but it's yeah it's highly diminished [00:05:22] but just this is not a hypothetical [00:05:24] actually. Okay. [00:05:24] >> It's actually you must get an abortion [00:05:26] in Iceland if you have a down syndrome [00:05:28] baby. You must. [00:05:29] >> Yeah. That's that's really terrible. [00:05:30] >> Okay. We agree. Yeah. Right. But why is [00:05:32] it terrible? the abortion, it doesn't [00:05:34] matter that much, right? It's just like [00:05:36] a it's like a clump of cells. Like, why [00:05:37] not? [00:05:37] >> If if it is going to directly impact [00:05:39] either the mother's life or the baby's [00:05:40] life, then yes, I do think that abortion [00:05:41] is an important issue. I don't think the [00:05:42] government should ever be able to come [00:05:44] in and say, "Hey, you're required to [00:05:45] have an abortion." In fact, the whole [00:05:46] slogan for the pro-choice movement is [00:05:48] your body, your choice. And I know [00:05:49] you're going to disagree with that, but [00:05:50] that is the whole point. So, what it's [00:05:51] saying is it's not left up to the [00:05:53] government to decide if they should or [00:05:54] shouldn't get an abortion in Iceland. [00:05:55] Yeah, that's a problem because it's [00:05:57] entirely left up to the government. [00:05:58] That's an issue. [00:05:59] >> Take Let me take it to another extreme [00:06:00] if that's okay. Sure. because this is [00:06:02] full freedom, right? So, you're saying, [00:06:03] "Hey, my body, my choice." [00:06:05] >> I'm I'm actually saying uh for the first [00:06:07] trimester after that. [00:06:08] >> Fair enough. Let's just say this is a [00:06:10] different moral argument that I'm [00:06:11] interested to have you play around with. [00:06:13] >> Should it be legal [00:06:14] >> if a mom finds out she's having a girl? [00:06:19] >> Okay. [00:06:19] >> But she wants a boy. Should she be able [00:06:21] to abort that 3-week old? [00:06:23] >> Yes. [00:06:26] [cheering] [00:06:30] >> Are you kidding? [00:06:33] Think about it. Think about what you [00:06:34] just said. [00:06:36] >> Think about what you just said. [00:06:38] >> Why [00:06:40] >> can that child directly survive outside [00:06:43] her body? [00:06:45] >> Well, eventually, yes. I mean, again, so [00:06:48] we talk about stages of development. [00:06:50] >> What is the first step of human [00:06:52] development? I mean obviously it's [00:06:55] whenever the two pieces of DNA they [00:06:58] >> the egg and the sperm meet and they [00:07:00] collaborate. So therefore if human [00:07:02] development begins at fertilization [00:07:04] conception [00:07:04] >> sure [00:07:05] >> so then shouldn't the human be protected [00:07:07] at conception? [00:07:08] >> Well I don't even think it's going to be [00:07:10] protected if if the baby is going to be [00:07:12] born to a mother who's like well dang it [00:07:14] my kid's uh not a girl it's a boy or [00:07:17] vice versa then I don't even think they [00:07:19] should be born to that parent in the [00:07:20] first place. So [00:07:21] >> but just just to But [00:07:24] >> so what you are arguing for is eugenics. [00:07:26] Just so we are clear. It is it is not [00:07:29] just illegal. It is like it is [00:07:31] grotesqually illegal what you are [00:07:33] talking about which is sex selective [00:07:35] abortion. Basically where you get a DNA [00:07:37] result at 3 weeks [00:07:38] >> and you could be like no not the hair [00:07:40] color I like terminated. Not I wanted a [00:07:43] boy. So basically your view of pregnancy [00:07:46] is no different than customizing a Ford [00:07:48] Explorer. 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[00:08:42] Your view is that the the baby if all of [00:08:45] a sudden you get a blood test that you [00:08:47] don't like that it's by the way you [00:08:48] could tell a lot of your baby's DNA test [00:08:50] now how tall it's going to be [00:08:52] >> it's average IQ brown eyes green eyes [00:08:54] blue eyes whether it's going to be [00:08:56] likely overweight obese whether or not [00:08:58] it's going to be a boy or a girl so if [00:08:59] you get anything that you don't like you [00:09:02] say my body my choice get it out of the [00:09:04] shopping cart [00:09:05] >> well yeah and to be honest it's it is [00:09:07] pro it's very ethically problematic yeah [00:09:09] but if we are have we have advanced to a [00:09:12] society where that can happen. Number [00:09:14] one, we're already we're already in [00:09:16] pretty big trouble if we can if we can [00:09:18] literally say, "Okay, the baby's going [00:09:19] to have blue eyes, green eyes." [00:09:20] >> No, no, no. It's not We're already [00:09:21] there. We're there. So, it's just so you [00:09:22] understand, it's already [00:09:23] >> I mean, you can like Yeah, you can look [00:09:24] at a punit table, but it's not actually [00:09:25] going to be actually defined. [00:09:26] >> No, no, it's very defined. You could get [00:09:28] a 3-week old blood test and you could [00:09:30] tell right around 3 to 6 weeks almost [00:09:32] everything with a very, very high [00:09:34] predictive correlation of how your kid [00:09:36] is going to operate, grow. Now, of [00:09:38] course, there are some issues with it, [00:09:40] but the sex is highly highly accurate. [00:09:42] It's 90. It's the you take the women, [00:09:44] the urine of the mom, within 48 hours, [00:09:46] you could tell. So, what I I just I want [00:09:50] to make sure we're clear. [00:09:51] >> You came here asking about the [00:09:52] Holocaust. I'm going to complete the [00:09:53] full circle. What you just talked about, [00:09:56] sex selective abortion, is Nazi eugenics [00:09:59] philosophy, which is that we will [00:10:01] eliminate those that we don't want. [00:10:04] >> Interesting. You're you're exactly [00:10:05] right. Uh you did get me on that one. [00:10:07] Um, [00:10:09] yeah, because [00:10:13] yeah, I'm I'm not gonna like sit up here [00:10:14] and pretend that that you got me on that [00:10:16] one. Uh, no. Realistically, like if [00:10:18] we're really going to full circle and [00:10:19] I'm going to sit here and think about [00:10:20] it, no, you shouldn't be able to kill [00:10:22] your baby just because you don't like [00:10:23] the gender or whatever. And listen, and [00:10:25] I apologize for taking it to that [00:10:26] extent. [00:10:27] >> No, no, it's not your extent. I want I [00:10:28] want to offer you grace. Thank you for [00:10:30] saying that, and I appreciate that. [00:10:31] >> Okay. Um but I just I want to say as far [00:10:34] as uh like if we are if we are balancing [00:10:36] the numbers I think that the amount of [00:10:39] lives that were terminated are I think [00:10:40] they are more significant uh as far as [00:10:43] the Holocaust because every single [00:10:44] person did absolutely have the ability [00:10:45] to feel pain than they were whenever it [00:10:47] was the 58 million. [00:10:48] >> Fair enough. So here's our view and [00:10:50] we'll close with this. [00:10:51] >> Yes. Absolutely. is that if there is a [00:10:52] three-year-old in the audience [00:10:54] >> that has very few friends and might be [00:10:56] in, you know, living on some homestead [00:10:58] or a 30-year-old that's very connected [00:10:59] and very wealthy [00:11:01] >> in the moral worldview economy that we [00:11:03] have, no moral difference. [00:11:05] >> If there's [00:11:06] >> because they're they're like directly [00:11:08] living like outside of their mother's [00:11:09] womb. Whereas, if you have [00:11:10] >> let me go let me go a step further. If [00:11:12] there is a 3-week old in uterero, [00:11:14] >> I mean, it's still leeching off of the [00:11:15] mother's resources. So, I'm not sure [00:11:16] entirely how much of its own being it [00:11:18] is. Well, again, so you leech for the [00:11:20] first 3 years of life. I have a [00:11:22] 10-month-old. He doesn't hunt and [00:11:24] gather. He doesn't he doesn't go. [00:11:26] >> He's not he's not directly attached to [00:11:28] your I assume to your wife's to your [00:11:30] wife's body. [00:11:30] >> In order for his survival, he has to be [00:11:32] directly attached to something. Somebody [00:11:34] has to give the baby breast milk formula [00:11:37] or [00:11:37] >> Okay. Formula. Yeah. But can it [00:11:39] >> or something? [00:11:39] >> Okay. So, here's here is your wife. Here [00:11:41] is the baby. Can the baby just be apart [00:11:44] from your wife and and exist? at 22 [00:11:48] weeks. Yes. So for 22 weeks there is [00:11:51] there is an umbilical cord. So what you [00:11:53] say leech, I say give the the mom gives [00:11:57] life [00:11:58] >> to the the the baby. [00:12:00] >> Yeah. I'm not I'm not arguing outside of [00:12:01] first trimester. [00:12:02] >> And what we say and not even a religious [00:12:05] standpoint because the religious is [00:12:06] easy. Just from a moral standpoint, we [00:12:08] were all given life by a mom who gave us [00:12:11] nutrients through an umbilical cord and [00:12:13] we should give that back. That is just [00:12:15] the moral cycle of life, right? Which is [00:12:17] that that which is given, that which is [00:12:19] much expected. And so again, human [00:12:23] development irrefutably, this even a [00:12:25] proabort will say this. Human [00:12:27] development has a starting point. [00:12:29] >> It does. It absolutely does. [00:12:30] >> Yes, we agree. And it's conception. [00:12:32] >> And we can use all these different [00:12:33] words. We can use fetus. We can use [00:12:35] embryo. We can use little one. Whatever. [00:12:37] >> Sure. [00:12:37] >> But it's all still a human being. It [00:12:39] doesn't go from rhinoceros to human [00:12:40] being at like 10 weeks. It doesn't go [00:12:42] from crocodile to human being. It's all [00:12:44] human development. Therefore, using [00:12:46] reason that we all have, if it's human [00:12:49] development, and it is a human being, [00:12:50] human rights, the first of all, human [00:12:52] rights is the protection of life. [00:12:54] >> Interesting. But, okay. So, do you agree [00:12:56] that like uh let's say you go into a [00:12:59] doctor's office, you have a 10-year-old, [00:13:00] and then you have a 22-year-old. The [00:13:02] 22-year-old is going to be allowed to [00:13:05] submit to more testing as long uh [00:13:07] without parental consent than that uh [00:13:10] 10-year-old or whoever I said was. So, I [00:13:12] don't know. So, I think honestly it's [00:13:14] again and I I don't know like I I [00:13:16] >> you have a lot of thinking to do about [00:13:17] this and that's okay because here's and [00:13:19] this is not your fault. The pro-abortion [00:13:21] worldview will collapse if you remove [00:13:24] feelings and you remove hyper [00:13:25] emotionality. There is no defense using [00:13:28] agreed upon western reason which you [00:13:30] believe in and western morality which is [00:13:32] we don't kill people smaller than us. We [00:13:34] do not eradicate those that are you know [00:13:36] just because they don't have as much [00:13:38] money or as much worth. We believe in [00:13:39] universal human equality, which of [00:13:41] course you believe in, right? Universal [00:13:43] human equality is like the overarching [00:13:44] big western ideal, which and it, by the [00:13:46] way, it's in our Declaration of [00:13:47] Independence. All men are created equal. [00:13:49] If you believe in universal human [00:13:51] equality, there is no room for abortion [00:13:53] in that society. It does not exist. [00:13:55] >> Well, I mean, okay, we we can [00:13:57] >> I'm saying it's fine. You have a lot to [00:13:58] think about with that. [00:13:59] >> I think we're going to I mean, I think [00:14:00] you do, too, but Okay. Um I'm happy to. [00:14:02] No, that's fine. I mean, I've thought [00:14:03] about this my whole life, so yeah, [00:14:06] myself. Listen, I appreciate you, [00:14:07] Charlie. Again, I want to apologize [00:14:08] about what I said earlier about that. [00:14:10] >> When we cut the video, we'll we'll we'll [00:14:12] put your your second answer as well as [00:14:15] your first one. We'll be fair to that. [00:14:16] Okay. Thank you very much. [00:14:17] >> Sure you will. [00:14:17] >> No, I will. I'll just be honest. Thank [00:14:19] you.