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[00:00:00] touch on Twitter um and Elon Musk. I [00:00:02] wanted to get your take because it's [00:00:04] really interesting what's happened with [00:00:05] Twitter. It's obviously split like [00:00:06] everything else in our country. Some [00:00:08] people are are making Elon into the hero [00:00:10] that's going to save us and offer us all [00:00:12] free speech and then others are very [00:00:14] very skeptical about him and he does you [00:00:16] mentioned him in the book. One of the [00:00:17] suppliers to Tesla has ties to Epstein [00:00:19] and so there are some questionable [00:00:21] things. What what can what's your take [00:00:23] on Elon Musk? [00:00:25] >> Okay, so really quick first I want to [00:00:27] say about Twitter. So what was revealed [00:00:29] in the Twitter files about like the FBI [00:00:31] and all of this collusion with [00:00:32] censorship, that's not exclusive to [00:00:35] Twitter. That happens at Google, that [00:00:37] happens at Facebook. And a major theme [00:00:40] of my work is that those entities, the [00:00:43] national security state as an umbrella [00:00:45] term here, um have been involved with [00:00:47] these companies since their inception in [00:00:49] most cases of the big Silicon Valley [00:00:51] companies. Yeah. So, um, you know, to [00:00:54] those that have been paying attention, [00:00:55] it wasn't exactly news, but I'm glad [00:00:57] it's being talked about because it [00:00:59] obviously is not a good system. Now, [00:01:01] Elon Musk, um, [00:01:03] >> Starlink, we've got, you know, surveill [00:01:06] neurolink, all that. [00:01:07] >> Yeah. So, Starlink is interesting [00:01:09] because it's basically, uh, the revival [00:01:12] of a company Bill Gates was trying to [00:01:14] make in the late 90s called Telic. uh [00:01:16] that failed because a lot of the [00:01:18] satellites and all of this were too [00:01:20] expensive at that time but are no longer [00:01:21] that expensive. Uh but it's essentially [00:01:24] you know uh the same vision of Starlink [00:01:26] all of that uh very much involved with [00:01:29] uh essentially the same as the the Bill [00:01:32] Gates effort uh several years prior and [00:01:34] of course we know now that you know [00:01:35] Starlink ends up in places like Ukraine. [00:01:38] It was smuggled by someone into Iran. Uh [00:01:41] so that suggests that it's uh being used [00:01:43] by intelligence agencies. If it's being [00:01:45] smuggled into Iran, those intelligence [00:01:47] agencies are probably the US and Israel. [00:01:49] Um and then again, you have him through [00:01:51] SpaceX being a major uh contractor to uh [00:01:55] Space Force, the Pentagon. Um you know, [00:01:57] these are all very significant [00:01:59] connections when it comes to Elon Musk. [00:02:01] So, you know, I would argue that in the [00:02:03] American psyche, there is a deeply [00:02:06] ingrained uh I don't even know what to [00:02:09] call it, like psychological habit maybe [00:02:12] of looking for a personal savior. If we [00:02:15] just vote this guy in for president, [00:02:17] he's going to fix everything. You know, [00:02:20] I'm all in for Bernie. I'm all in for [00:02:22] Trump. They're going to drain the swamp. [00:02:24] They're going to end corruption. Blah [00:02:25] blah blah. As long as we get this one [00:02:27] guy in at the top, it'll all be fine. or [00:02:29] as long as this one guy uh you know we [00:02:32] all back this one guy he's going to fix [00:02:34] everything. No. Um that is a pipe dream [00:02:38] and we've been conditioned to believe [00:02:39] that you know and I think you know if [00:02:41] you consider all of the money that you [00:02:43] know just think about how much money the [00:02:44] CIA has pumped into crazy psychological [00:02:47] experiments. So much money over the past [00:02:49] hundred years or so has gone into [00:02:51] investigating and and developing ways to [00:02:55] control how you think and manipulate how [00:02:58] you behave and how you think and [00:03:00] perceive things. Um and it's very and [00:03:03] social media is a major battleground [00:03:05] battleground for that. I mean you don't [00:03:06] really know if any a lot of the accounts [00:03:09] that respond to you are real or not or [00:03:11] authentic people or they're bots. And [00:03:13] now a lot of people are interacting with [00:03:15] this chat GPT which is open AI I believe [00:03:18] co-founded by Elon Musk and you know a [00:03:21] lot of pe a lot of people are like oh [00:03:23] this is going to revolutionize this and [00:03:24] that and change this but it's going to [00:03:26] it's going to manipulate how a lot of [00:03:28] people think because they're going to be [00:03:29] interacting with this inorganic entity [00:03:31] that's been trained on a very specific [00:03:33] set of data and has very specific [00:03:34] political views which some people are [00:03:36] talking about and it's going to [00:03:39] >> you know right [00:03:40] >> persuade people to believe things or uh [00:03:43] alter how people receive reality. And [00:03:45] you had this situation a few months ago [00:03:47] where there were claims that the Google [00:03:50] Lambda, their I guess chat GPT [00:03:52] equivalent at Google, uh was sentient. [00:03:55] Um and that turned out to be total bull [00:03:58] crap because the guy later admitted that [00:03:59] the transcript that was proof of [00:04:01] sentience he had like heavily edited and [00:04:03] like wouldn't say how he'd edit it. And [00:04:06] you know it's it's complicated and we're [00:04:08] not at a situation where there's [00:04:09] actually like organic artificial [00:04:12] intelligence where it's like creating [00:04:14] stuff on its own. It's very good at [00:04:15] imitating people because it's been [00:04:17] trained on on so many instances because [00:04:19] of the internet and and smartphones and [00:04:22] all of that of human speech. Um you know [00:04:25] the internet's full of that stuff. Um [00:04:27] but I think let me just finish the stuff [00:04:30] about Palunteer because it's important. [00:04:31] So um Palunteer was um funded into [00:04:35] existence with Teal's money but also [00:04:37] with money from Enutel the CIA's venture [00:04:39] capital arm for the first three years or [00:04:42] so of their existence as a company. The [00:04:43] CIA was their only client and guided the [00:04:48] development of their product. Palunteer [00:04:49] programs went to CIA headquarters every [00:04:52] two weeks [00:04:52] >> to tweak and develop their product. The [00:04:54] CIA, according to Alex Karp, was always [00:04:56] the intended client of Palunteer. And [00:04:59] now it's a contractor to all, you know, [00:05:01] 17 intelligence agencies. It can label [00:05:03] Americans when you're in this in this, [00:05:06] you know, paradigm where it's it's [00:05:07] label. There's all these you're profiled [00:05:09] by the NSA and all of this. One of the [00:05:11] labels it can attach to you is [00:05:13] subversive. Sounds a lot like the stuff [00:05:15] the passages you were reading about um [00:05:17] Latin America and Promise not too long [00:05:20] ago. [00:05:20] >> Yeah. And I rewatched the Snowden movie [00:05:23] recently where it showed that database [00:05:24] and once you get into one person's [00:05:26] profile, everyone they're linked to, you [00:05:28] have access to and all of a sudden it's [00:05:30] endless and it spreads like a virus. [00:05:32] >> Um, well, a lot of people are also [00:05:34] wondering about what the FBI or the CIA [00:05:37] was doing with regards to uh censorship [00:05:40] potentially on on Twitter. So I