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[00:00:00] Well, it looks like all the screaming
[00:00:02] about Nick Fuentes on the internet is
[00:00:04] finally dying down a little bit. It
[00:00:07] couldn't go on forever, though it seemed
[00:00:08] like it might. And that's a good thing
[00:00:10] because after all, there's a lot else
[00:00:12] going on in the world, some of it
[00:00:13] important. And
[00:00:15] watching people day after day stand up
[00:00:18] to basically make the same point. I'm a
[00:00:20] good person, unlike him,
[00:00:23] not that interesting or edifying or even
[00:00:27] really informative. I mean, we
[00:00:28] definitely learned that there are quite
[00:00:30] a few professional conservatives who are
[00:00:32] not that conservative in any sense that
[00:00:34] really matters. Some of them are
[00:00:35] fraudulent or sad or kind of stuck in
[00:00:38] nonprofit jobs because they can't get
[00:00:39] another. And your sympathy goes out to
[00:00:41] them. But listening to them talk day
[00:00:42] after day really didn't teach us
[00:00:45] anything. But it doesn't mean that there
[00:00:47] aren't lessons to be learned. In fact,
[00:00:49] there's one really important lesson, and
[00:00:51] this was really the reason to interview
[00:00:53] Nick Fuentes in the first place. And the
[00:00:56] lesson is that a lot of young men in
[00:00:58] America, mostly white, but not
[00:01:00] exclusively, listen to Nick Fuentes
[00:01:03] really carefully.
[00:01:05] And the lesson that our professional
[00:01:08] betterers in Washington have drawn over
[00:01:10] the past few weeks is that means they're
[00:01:11] as bad as Nick Fuentes. They're Nazis,
[00:01:13] too. But of course, they're not Nazis by
[00:01:16] and large. They're just American young
[00:01:19] people.
[00:01:20] And so the question is, and it's a
[00:01:22] pressing question if you care about the
[00:01:24] future of the country, why have they
[00:01:27] been listening to Nick Fuentes
[00:01:30] sincerely? Like, what is this? Why
[00:01:32] aren't they listening to somebody from
[00:01:34] the Heritage Foundation or the Daily
[00:01:36] Wire? Why do they believe Nick Fuentes
[00:01:39] more than they believe the people who
[00:01:41] think they ought to have a monopoly on
[00:01:43] the attention of young conservatives?
[00:01:45] That is a really important question. And
[00:01:48] what does it say not simply about their
[00:01:49] attitudes but about the problems they
[00:01:52] face, the society they grew up in, the
[00:01:54] future they imagine for themselves. What
[00:01:55] does it say about all of that that
[00:01:57] Fuentes is so popular among young men?
[00:02:01] After all, young men really are kind of
[00:02:03] the basis of our hope for continuing as
[00:02:05] a country. So if they're off in some
[00:02:09] direction that you don't understand,
[00:02:10] it's probably incumbent on you to try to
[00:02:12] understand it to the extent you can. You
[00:02:14] know, it's hard to understand other
[00:02:16] people's motives and it's even harder
[00:02:17] when they're in a different generation.
[00:02:19] But making a good faith effort to figure
[00:02:22] out what is this? Well, that's on us. Us
[00:02:25] being, you know, everyone with a job
[00:02:27] who's not in that generation, all the
[00:02:29] beneficiaries of a a stronger, more
[00:02:32] cohesive America, the America we grew up
[00:02:33] in, which doesn't exist anymore. It's
[00:02:36] our responsibility to look at newer
[00:02:39] generations and say, "What's going on
[00:02:41] with them? Can we help in any way?" If
[00:02:44] we care about our country, if we care
[00:02:46] about our own families, our children and
[00:02:47] grandchildren, we probably want to do
[00:02:48] that. And it's probably not enough to
[00:02:51] call them names. It doesn't work for one
[00:02:52] thing. It just makes whatever we claim
[00:02:54] to dislike even stronger. There's one
[00:02:56] lesson of the Trump 2015 announcement
[00:03:00] and everything that's happened since
[00:03:01] then, the last 10 years, it's that.
[00:03:04] And the lesson obviously is that when
[00:03:07] every power center in the country
[00:03:09] declares war on you, you become a power
[00:03:12] center. It doesn't destroy you, it makes
[00:03:14] you stronger. It's certainly true for
[00:03:17] Donald Trump. Would he have become
[00:03:19] president in 2016 and 2024 if all the
[00:03:23] cool kids hadn't denounced him as a
[00:03:24] Nazi? Probably not. Would he been
[00:03:27] reelected if the FBI hadn't raided Mara
[00:03:29] Lago and gone through his wife's
[00:03:30] underwear drawer? We can debate it. But
[00:03:32] maybe not. Maybe this would be the Ronda
[00:03:35] Santis presidency. Probably.
[00:03:38] So attacking people, particularly when
[00:03:40] you attack them ad homonym, when you
[00:03:41] don't try to deconstruct or rebut the
[00:03:43] arguments they're making, but just
[00:03:44] calling them names, Nazi,
[00:03:48] that's counterproductive every single
[00:03:51] time. You expose yourself as hysterical
[00:03:54] and shallow and you elevate them in the
[00:03:58] minds of everybody else. They're
[00:03:59] important enough to be yelled at by
[00:04:01] every trustee at the Heritage Foundation
[00:04:03] or whatever.
[00:04:05] They must be important. So again, it
[00:04:08] doesn't work. But it's also on a deeper
[00:04:11] level kind of immoral. It's immoral to
[00:04:13] dismiss
[00:04:15] the concerns of your countrymen as
[00:04:18] beneath consideration. I don't have to
[00:04:21] listen to you because you like some guy
[00:04:23] who's got ugly views. And by the way,
[00:04:26] it's not a defense of all of Fuentes's
[00:04:28] views.
[00:04:29] We interviewed him on this show and said
[00:04:31] it is totally immoral to hate Jews as a
[00:04:35] group because it's totally immoral to
[00:04:36] hate any group. Period. That's always
[00:04:38] wrong.
[00:04:40] But it doesn't mean that everything
[00:04:41] Fuentes says is wrong. It's not wrong.
[00:04:46] And more to the point,
[00:04:49] what he says on the air and his huge
[00:04:52] popularity, which has only increased the
[00:04:54] more these people scream at him, says a
[00:04:57] lot about the people who were listening
[00:05:00] and their legitimate concerns and the
[00:05:03] factors in our society in America and
[00:05:06] and the West that gave rise to their
[00:05:10] attitudes like how did this happen?
[00:05:12] Let's for once in the last 20 years look
[00:05:16] back and ask ourselves an honest
[00:05:18] question. How did this happen? Let's do
[00:05:20] what we didn't do when we withdrew from
[00:05:23] Afghanistan or declared a truce in Iraq
[00:05:27] or hard carted away the rubble from
[00:05:30] 9/11.
[00:05:32] We never asked how did this happen and
[00:05:34] no one was ever held responsible for
[00:05:37] allowing it to happen or the bad
[00:05:38] decisions that made it happen. not one
[00:05:41] person. And so, of course, inevitably,
[00:05:45] disasters followed disasters because if
[00:05:48] you never take the time to take
[00:05:50] responsibility for what you've done or
[00:05:52] even understand it, you're apt to repeat
[00:05:54] it. It's the most obvious observation in
[00:05:57] the world. It's the basis of good
[00:05:58] parenting. It's why you make your kids
[00:06:00] apologize, of course. So, let's, in the
[00:06:02] case of Nick Fuentes,
[00:06:04] focus not on Nick Fuentes, but on the
[00:06:07] people who watch Nick Fuentes. What kind
[00:06:10] of world have they grown up in? These
[00:06:13] young white men.
[00:06:16] Well, they've grown up in over the last
[00:06:19] 10 years a world that hates them. And
[00:06:21] not in a subtle way, openly with a whoou
[00:06:26] like directness and ferocity. They've
[00:06:30] grown up in a country that has
[00:06:31] systematically in law excluded them from
[00:06:35] the workplace, from education, from
[00:06:39] federal grants,
[00:06:42] and has told them again and again and
[00:06:45] again, "No, we're not discriminating
[00:06:47] against you, and yes, you deserve it."
[00:06:50] Imagine growing up like that. And again,
[00:06:53] this isn't
[00:06:54] behind the scenes. This is way out in
[00:06:57] the open. And not only has it done
[00:07:00] exactly that to young white men, of
[00:07:02] course, white men being the one group
[00:07:04] were officially excluded under DEI.
[00:07:06] There's only one. It's white men, white
[00:07:08] straight men.
[00:07:10] It's not whining. And by the way, this
[00:07:12] happens to be the one group in America
[00:07:14] who by and large have been taught for
[00:07:16] cultural reasons, don't whine. Don't
[00:07:18] talk about yourself so much. No one
[00:07:19] wants to hear your story. And whatever
[00:07:21] you do, don't be the victim. All of
[00:07:23] that's good advice, by the way.
[00:07:27] But this group has not only been
[00:07:29] excluded with the force of law by the
[00:07:33] justice department in every state
[00:07:36] and in every college and university with
[00:07:40] maybe three exceptions.
[00:07:42] They've been mocked and attacked and
[00:07:45] lectured and heranged and screamed at.
[00:07:48] Every bookstore in America had books on
[00:07:51] display. Whiteness is the problem. Well,
[00:07:54] what if you're white? [laughter]
[00:07:56] You know what? What if you're like 19
[00:07:59] and you're thinking about how do I make
[00:08:00] my way in this increasingly competitive,
[00:08:02] maybe even ruthless country and
[00:08:05] everywhere I go, people are telling me
[00:08:06] I'm bad because of the way I was born.
[00:08:08] What effect would that have on you? And
[00:08:11] then you flip on the tube or the
[00:08:12] internet
[00:08:14] and all these people with big jobs
[00:08:16] making big salaries who have the implied
[00:08:18] moral authority of their positions are
[00:08:21] telling you you're bad because of your
[00:08:22] skin color. And by the way, this is not
[00:08:25] a guess. Here's an example.
[00:08:28] >> We have systemic racism in the United
[00:08:30] States of America. It exists today and
[00:08:33] it's a white man's problem. White men
[00:08:36] are responsible for it, not black men.
[00:08:38] And we have stood by to see mediocre,
[00:08:41] melymouthed
[00:08:43] uh snowflake white men who are incapable
[00:08:46] of taking critique, who are willing to
[00:08:48] dole out infamous repudiations of the
[00:08:51] humanity of the other. And yet they call
[00:08:54] us snowflakes and they are the biggest
[00:08:57] flakes of snow to hit the earth.
[00:08:59] American history is one in which white
[00:09:02] Americans uh by and large have been
[00:09:04] taught to have indifference or even
[00:09:07] contempt for black life. We have defined
[00:09:09] the country as a white nation where
[00:09:11] people of color are here on a guest
[00:09:13] pass. One in three Americans are
[00:09:15] racists. One in three Americans are
[00:09:17] terrified that this country by the year
[00:09:19] 2040 is not going to be majority white.
[00:09:23] >> There has been no oppression for the
[00:09:25] white man in this country. And don't let
[00:09:28] it escape you that it is white men on
[00:09:31] this side of the aisle telling us people
[00:09:34] of color on this side of the aisle that
[00:09:37] that y'all are the ones being oppressed.
[00:09:39] >> Wake up, white men. What the [ __ ] is
[00:09:41] wrong with you and you're just eating it
[00:09:43] up? Oh my god. Look at what they're
[00:09:47] doing. All of a sudden, my heritage is
[00:09:49] going to be over. that I won't I want to
[00:09:51] live in a country where there where
[00:09:53] white kids go to white schools and and
[00:09:55] white people marry each other.
[00:09:59] What is wrong with that? I want to grow
[00:10:01] up in the country that my
[00:10:02] greatgrandfather grew up in. That
[00:10:04] country doesn't exist anymore, [ __ ]
[00:10:09] So, you can see why there probably are
[00:10:11] some Nick Fuentes viewers who are a
[00:10:13] little confused
[00:10:15] when they hear themselves attacked as
[00:10:17] racist. Racism is wrong.
[00:10:20] Of course, it is wrong. But they've
[00:10:23] grown up in a world where one of the
[00:10:25] leading CNN anchors is looking right
[00:10:27] into the camera. What the [ __ ] is wrong
[00:10:28] with you white people? You want your You
[00:10:31] want to be near other white people. You
[00:10:33] want to have a heritage. You want to
[00:10:34] have white children. How dare you?
[00:10:38] The CNN anchor is married to a white
[00:10:39] guy. Whatever.
[00:10:41] But it's a little hard to tell people
[00:10:44] that racism is wrong when you're
[00:10:47] committing it.
[00:10:49] And again, it's not just a few people.
[00:10:52] It was our entire ruling class was
[00:10:54] lecturing us about how whiteness is a
[00:10:56] disease. It's a plague. It's inherently
[00:11:00] sinful. It's the source of all evil. The
[00:11:02] president of the United States stood up
[00:11:04] and said racism is the problem and it's
[00:11:07] only committed by whites. It's a white
[00:11:10] man problem.
[00:11:13] Is racism only committed by whites? No.
[00:11:16] And everyone knows that hating other
[00:11:18] people is a human problem. One that
[00:11:20] every person struggles with, hopefully
[00:11:24] struggles against cuz it's wrong. It's
[00:11:27] always wrong. Anti-semitism is wrong.
[00:11:31] It's every bit as wrong as what you just
[00:11:33] saw. It's every bit as anti-lack racism
[00:11:35] or anti Malaysian racism. It doesn't
[00:11:37] matter. Hating people for how they were
[00:11:40] born is wrong. It's called a universal
[00:11:42] principle. This country was founded on
[00:11:44] universal principles. They apply to
[00:11:46] everyone equally. That's the promise of
[00:11:49] America. That is Western civilization.
[00:11:52] If you could sum it up in a sentence,
[00:11:53] what is Western civilization? Well, it's
[00:11:55] a civilization governed by universal
[00:11:57] principles. Everyone can be saved. No
[00:12:00] one is damned by his nature. And hating
[00:12:03] any group, because that's true, hating
[00:12:05] any group
[00:12:07] is by definition immoral. Doesn't mean
[00:12:09] it hasn't happened. It happens all the
[00:12:11] time, of course, because it's the
[00:12:13] default setting in the human heart,
[00:12:16] but we need to struggle against it.
[00:12:20] Maybe not ban it. It's hard to ban
[00:12:23] attitudes. And once you get down that
[00:12:24] road, you become totalitarian
[00:12:26] immediately.
[00:12:28] But say it's wrong.
[00:12:30] And if it's not wrong in every case,
[00:12:33] then it can't really be wrong, can it?
[00:12:35] If it's not a universal principle, then
[00:12:37] it's not a principle.
[00:12:39] And so, how can my racism be worse than
[00:12:43] your racism? Well, of course, it can't.
[00:12:46] So the people lecturing Fuentes viewers
[00:12:49] for something that is wrong, hating all
[00:12:51] Jews is wrong, totally wrong,
[00:12:54] don't have the moral authority to make
[00:12:56] the case because they've been engaging
[00:12:58] in this in public and in private for the
[00:13:02] entire lifetime of Nick Fuent's viewers.
[00:13:07] So it's hard to take them seriously. And
[00:13:10] by the way, you can tell exactly where
[00:13:12] this is going. It's going toward
[00:13:14] violence.
[00:13:15] Tribal warfare. That's the last thing
[00:13:18] you want. That's why this is a great
[00:13:21] country. That's why it's exceptional.
[00:13:22] Because we haven't had that. And why
[00:13:24] haven't we had that? Because we have
[00:13:27] self-consciously and out loud said,
[00:13:29] "These are universal principles that
[00:13:30] apply to every human being." Because
[00:13:32] every human being was created by God in
[00:13:35] God's image. That's it right there.
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[00:15:16] learn more. Well, so Bill Aman is all
[00:15:18] upset, you know, about Nick Fuentes and
[00:15:20] anti-semitism. Good. I agree.
[00:15:23] But where was Bill Aman when Harvard was
[00:15:26] systematically, as it is today,
[00:15:28] discriminated against people on the
[00:15:29] basis of their race? Straight white men.
[00:15:32] Harvard discriminates against them.
[00:15:34] There's no guessing about that. There
[00:15:36] was a lawsuit about it. We have the
[00:15:37] numbers. No one said a word. No one said
[00:15:40] a word. Where was Paul Singer? These are
[00:15:42] now big Republican conservative donors.
[00:15:46] Were they upset? Did they say anything?
[00:15:48] Did they do anything meaningful? These
[00:15:51] are billionaires.
[00:15:53] If anybody
[00:15:55] could have weighed in effectively
[00:15:57] against systemic racism, real systemic
[00:16:00] racism, causing harm, promoting one
[00:16:02] group over another on the basis of race,
[00:16:04] it would have been guys like this. They
[00:16:05] said not a word or they certainly didn't
[00:16:08] do anything about it, that's for sure.
[00:16:09] Now they're all upset.
[00:16:11] Well, that looks like self-interest
[00:16:13] to people watching.
[00:16:16] These for the fifth time are universal
[00:16:20] principles. The continuation of the
[00:16:22] United States depends upon those
[00:16:25] principles. They must be vigorously
[00:16:28] defended above all by the most powerful
[00:16:30] people in our society. The people who
[00:16:33] not simply have a voice but have power
[00:16:37] to enforce those principles. The
[00:16:39] meritocracy is not just some like goal
[00:16:42] that we should strive toward. It's the
[00:16:44] whole point. You have to judge people on
[00:16:48] their behavior,
[00:16:50] not on their blood.
[00:16:54] Otherwise, you move very quickly into
[00:16:57] collective punishment. This is why what
[00:17:00] Israel is doing in Gaza is immoral. Not
[00:17:02] simply because it's a bloody war where
[00:17:04] civilians are being killed.
[00:17:06] That's very common and very sad. But
[00:17:09] what makes this different and worthy of
[00:17:12] comment
[00:17:13] is that Israeli politicians are saying
[00:17:17] out loud and Mark Leavin is joining them
[00:17:19] and saying out loud and a number of
[00:17:21] other Americans are saying out loud, it
[00:17:22] doesn't matter if they die because
[00:17:26] they're stained from birth by this sin.
[00:17:29] It's the opposite of universalism. It's
[00:17:32] tribalism.
[00:17:34] And it's certainly not unique to the
[00:17:36] Middle East at all. And anyone who
[00:17:38] thinks it is is an idiot. It's the human
[00:17:41] condition. It's a state of man. It's
[00:17:42] like the deepest, most obvious sin that
[00:17:45] we exhibit. But it's the whole problem.
[00:17:48] And you see it in this country, too. Oh,
[00:17:50] that's outrageous. Really, Donnie
[00:17:52] Deutsch? Is it outrageous? Did you say
[00:17:54] anything about the racism all around you
[00:17:57] and the elite institutions that you're
[00:17:59] so proud of being a part of? It was the
[00:18:01] basis of those institutions. No, we're
[00:18:04] going to we're going to help some people
[00:18:06] and hurt other people based on what
[00:18:07] their parents look like.
[00:18:09] So, why don't you sit this one out?
[00:18:11] Actually, why don't you be quiet for a
[00:18:13] moment and think about what the core
[00:18:15] problem is? That's the core problem
[00:18:18] right there. It's not a defense of
[00:18:21] racism or anti-semitism. It's all the
[00:18:23] same.
[00:18:25] It's the only reason to oppose it. If it
[00:18:29] applies to you, it applies to me. You
[00:18:31] should defend that principle as
[00:18:32] vigorously as I do. And let's hope
[00:18:34] there's no evidence that's happening, by
[00:18:35] the way. Everyone's just retreating into
[00:18:37] their own little group being like, "No,
[00:18:39] I DON'T WANT MY people to get hurt." No,
[00:18:40] no. You don't want any person in our
[00:18:43] country ever to face that ever. That's
[00:18:46] why segregation was wrong. That's why
[00:18:47] the Nazis were bad. I mean, really, we
[00:18:50] have to have this conversation.
[00:18:51] Apparently, we do.
[00:18:54] It's not an attack on everyone to point
[00:18:56] that out. It is not an attack on anyone
[00:18:59] to point that out. It is instead a
[00:19:01] defense of everyone. It's not an attack
[00:19:04] on anyone. It's a defense of everyone.
[00:19:06] It's the only defense of everyone. And
[00:19:09] it's the only way forward.
[00:19:13] So that's the environment that these
[00:19:16] kids grew up in. Racism is wrong.
[00:19:19] Anti-semitism is wrong. How would they
[00:19:21] even know that? How would they know
[00:19:22] that? Because you've been committing it.
[00:19:25] Probably had no idea.
[00:19:29] The second thing to remember about this
[00:19:32] audience, and I'll I'll just say I'm 56,
[00:19:35] so like how well do I understand Nick
[00:19:36] Finson's audience? I don't know.
[00:19:38] Probably not that well, but I made some
[00:19:42] effort to to try to understand it.
[00:19:43] Again, because it's just objectively
[00:19:45] important.
[00:19:47] The second thing to remember is that
[00:19:49] they have been attacked. Again, not
[00:19:51] making them victims, not making excuses,
[00:19:53] just trying to explain how we got here
[00:19:56] for the last 10 years because they are
[00:19:59] male, because they are men or boys.
[00:20:04] And not just subtly with the
[00:20:06] overwhelming emphasis on female
[00:20:08] achievement in school. And what about
[00:20:09] the girls? How are girls doing? Well,
[00:20:10] actually girls are doing great. It's the
[00:20:12] boys who are withering and dying,
[00:20:14] turning inside, internalizing the hate
[00:20:17] against them.
[00:20:19] as is so often the case, exhibiting it
[00:20:21] as self-hate.
[00:20:25] Not just ignored, but attacked out loud
[00:20:29] for being male by some of the most
[00:20:33] powerful people in our society. Again,
[00:20:36] in case you've forgotten, here it is.
[00:20:37] the level of misogyny online. Um
[00:20:42] everything from literal threats uh
[00:20:45] against women in the public arena to the
[00:20:48] demeaning of women to uh men with very
[00:20:52] large platforms who uh espouse a kind of
[00:20:56] toxic masculinity
[00:20:59] connected with violence uh brutality
[00:21:02] even sometimes rape um is so shocking
[00:21:06] but it's a reality.
[00:21:07] >> There's too much of toxicity.
[00:21:10] It's masculine toxicity out there and
[00:21:12] there we've kind of confused what it
[00:21:15] means to be a man, what it means to be
[00:21:17] masculine. We're seeing it with our
[00:21:19] younger people. We're seeing it in our
[00:21:20] discourse and our politics in the media.
[00:21:23] You're seeing it as it relates to so
[00:21:26] many of the issues that we're we're
[00:21:27] pushing back on. So, um I think it's a
[00:21:30] problem and I'm going to continue to use
[00:21:32] this platform every time I get to to
[00:21:34] speak out against this toxic masculinity
[00:21:37] that's out there. when they talk about
[00:21:39] Republicans uh and their success online,
[00:21:42] they have been successful because they
[00:21:44] have also been very clear especially
[00:21:47] digitally about what they believe that
[00:21:49] women are inferior
[00:21:52] that do not and they do not deserve
[00:21:53] equal rights that they believe that
[00:21:56] LGBTQ Americans are subhuman and they
[00:21:59] are able to radicalize and target and
[00:22:04] exploit a generation of young boys in
[00:22:08] particular,
[00:22:10] away from healthy masculinity and into
[00:22:13] an insecure masculinity that requires
[00:22:15] the domination of others who are poorer,
[00:22:19] browner, darker, or a different gender
[00:22:21] than them.
[00:22:23] >> It's like,
[00:22:25] and now for today's lecture on
[00:22:27] masculinity from Alexandria
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[00:22:30] and Doug Mhof.
[00:22:33] I mean, you're you're tempted to dismiss
[00:22:35] this as once again the unhappiest people
[00:22:38] in our society spreading their own
[00:22:41] personal pain to the entire population.
[00:22:43] And of course, on one level, that's
[00:22:45] exactly what it is. People with
[00:22:46] dysfunctional, incomplete, sad, personal
[00:22:50] lives probably shouldn't be telling
[00:22:52] anyone else how to live. In the same way
[00:22:55] you probably wouldn't take real estate
[00:22:56] advice from a homeless guy or investment
[00:22:59] counsel from Bernie Maid off. Only
[00:23:01] listen to people who have demonstrated
[00:23:03] success in whatever area they're
[00:23:04] lecturing you about. I mean, this is
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[00:24:08] But there's more going on here. So one
[00:24:10] of the saddest things that you learn
[00:24:12] when you talk to people under say 35
[00:24:15] unmarried people and most are the
[00:24:19] average marriage age I think in this
[00:24:20] country is around 30. It was you know in
[00:24:22] the early 20s not that long ago. People
[00:24:24] aren't getting married and maybe you
[00:24:26] think that's a great thing. Certainly if
[00:24:27] you're a Democratic politician you think
[00:24:28] that's great because that just means
[00:24:29] more voters for you. But if you're like
[00:24:32] a normal person who cares about human
[00:24:34] happiness and thriving and children
[00:24:36] [snorts] and continuing your country and
[00:24:38] civilization, that's a bad thing. So the
[00:24:40] question is, how did it happen? And if
[00:24:42] you talk to young people, it's not
[00:24:44] exactly clear what the answer is, but
[00:24:47] you notice immediately that the
[00:24:49] relationship between men and women, boys
[00:24:51] and girls, is broken on a level it's
[00:24:54] hard to see how you can fix. I mean,
[00:24:57] contemptuous of each other, suspicious
[00:24:58] of each other, at some point dismissive
[00:25:01] of each other. That's really what you
[00:25:03] pick up. There's hostility. Men feel
[00:25:06] hostile to women, women feel hostile to
[00:25:08] men.
[00:25:10] Could there be anything sadder than
[00:25:12] that? Since men and women are designed
[00:25:15] for each other, it's hard to become
[00:25:17] fully complete without the other. That's
[00:25:20] not even a theological point. It's a
[00:25:23] biological point. It's true for all
[00:25:25] species, male and female. That
[00:25:28] distinction is encoded in all of nature
[00:25:32] in plants and animals. It's in the
[00:25:34] universe. You might say it's just a
[00:25:36] fact. And you can ignore it and pretend
[00:25:38] that a woman needs a man like a fish
[00:25:40] needs a bicycle. You can come up with
[00:25:42] any slogan you want. You can externalize
[00:25:44] your childhood trauma in any way you
[00:25:46] want and write all the books you want
[00:25:48] about how dad is bad, but you can't get
[00:25:51] around nature because you didn't create
[00:25:53] it. You don't make the rules. You either
[00:25:56] live by them and thrive or you ignore
[00:25:58] them and are destroyed. That's the
[00:25:59] choice that we face. Period.
[00:26:02] I mean, you could say, you know, it's
[00:26:04] snowing outside. I'm going to wear my
[00:26:05] underwear because I should be able to.
[00:26:07] Well, you're going to freeze to death
[00:26:08] because it's not up to you. And the same
[00:26:11] is true for the relationship between men
[00:26:12] and women. And you can say, "I hate
[00:26:14] them. I don't want them." But you're not
[00:26:15] going to thrive. Period. You will be
[00:26:17] miserable. And you just saw three
[00:26:19] miserable people right on the screen.
[00:26:22] Our society has systematically,
[00:26:25] knowingly or not. It's hard to know
[00:26:27] exactly how much was intentional,
[00:26:29] poisoned the relationship between young
[00:26:31] men and young women. And they've done it
[00:26:33] in a bunch of different ways. We could
[00:26:35] go on for hours on this topic, but the
[00:26:38] results tell the story. They're not
[00:26:40] getting married because they don't like
[00:26:41] each other. They don't know how to
[00:26:42] communicate with each other and above
[00:26:43] all they think they don't need each
[00:26:45] other and that's a lie. It's a lie. So
[00:26:49] anyone who is promoting that view
[00:26:55] is at fault. And when you're powerful
[00:26:57] and have a platform, a megaphone, when
[00:27:00] other people are watching you and taking
[00:27:01] cues from you, when you have the power
[00:27:03] to convince other people of something
[00:27:05] and to live a certain way, boy, you're
[00:27:08] guilty. That's your fault.
[00:27:12] So when I hear people say, "Well, you
[00:27:14] know, the thing about Nick Fuentes is
[00:27:15] he's a misogynist. He doesn't like
[00:27:17] women." Well, maybe there's some truth
[00:27:20] in that
[00:27:22] and that's bad, but it's not so much
[00:27:25] immoral as it is depressing.
[00:27:29] That's the other thing. This is a group
[00:27:30] of people whose imagination, whose moral
[00:27:32] imagination is so limited and they're so
[00:27:35] narcissistic in the way they see the
[00:27:36] world. It's all about them.
[00:27:38] every person's sin is an opportunity for
[00:27:40] them to gloat about how good they are.
[00:27:43] That it never occurs to them that this
[00:27:45] is a tragedy. If you hear a young man
[00:27:48] say, "I prefer porn to girls or they're
[00:27:50] all [ __ ] and they want, you know, money
[00:27:54] and they're all they're all basically
[00:27:56] prostitutes," which is kind of the
[00:27:57] argument that you hear.
[00:28:00] You know, you should be very upset by
[00:28:02] that, very sad about that and mindful of
[00:28:06] what that's going to mean in 20 years on
[00:28:10] every level. On the most obvious level,
[00:28:12] like who's going to make the babies?
[00:28:15] But on a deeper, more human level, like
[00:28:17] how much misery is that? A lot.
[00:28:20] So if you're adding to that, if you're
[00:28:22] attacking young men once again for how
[00:28:26] they were born,
[00:28:28] you are the problem. And you share some
[00:28:31] of the responsibility for the results,
[00:28:33] for the bad attitudes that inevitably
[00:28:36] will form in the face of your hectoring.
[00:28:40] It's your fault, too. It's our fault,
[00:28:42] too. That's just true. And now we've
[00:28:45] reached a point where it's like an
[00:28:47] actual crisis.
[00:28:50] And our leaders are not
[00:28:54] are not responding in a way that's going
[00:28:56] to make it better because again they're
[00:28:58] caught up in their own dramas, their own
[00:29:00] tribal dramas, their own personal
[00:29:02] dramas. It's all about them always.
[00:29:05] You watch this Mandani thing going on in
[00:29:07] New York.
[00:29:09] Hardly an endorsement of Mandani. I
[00:29:11] mean, please.
[00:29:13] But like, what do you hear about the
[00:29:14] guy?
[00:29:16] 80% of the criticism of Donnie is like
[00:29:18] his position on Gaza. Who cares? What
[00:29:21] does that have to do with anything in
[00:29:23] New York City? Who cares what he thinks
[00:29:25] of Gaza or BB? That's far away and not
[00:29:28] relevant.
[00:29:30] This is a guy who said out loud on
[00:29:32] camera and then once again out loud on
[00:29:34] camera defending the first time he said
[00:29:36] it, "I'm going to tax white people more
[00:29:38] because they're white."
[00:29:40] Does anyone even notice that? No.
[00:29:42] Because the people who don't like him
[00:29:44] have they don't care. because they don't
[00:29:46] see a connection
[00:29:48] between what happens to those white
[00:29:50] people and what might happen to some
[00:29:52] group or cause they're interested in.
[00:29:54] They're unwilling to defend the
[00:29:57] universal principle.
[00:30:00] And so they're just it's just more
[00:30:01] self-interest. How dare you say that
[00:30:03] about Gaza? Wait a second. This is a
[00:30:05] mayor of the biggest city just said he's
[00:30:07] going to he's going to tax white people
[00:30:09] more. Well, you're just saying that
[00:30:11] because you're white. new
[00:30:13] saying it because I'm a human being and
[00:30:17] a Christian and that's not acceptable.
[00:30:19] Your leaders can't talk or think that
[00:30:21] way or else it all just falls apart. And
[00:30:24] in a country that's the size of a
[00:30:26] continent with 50 component parts, it
[00:30:28] could fall apart really really fast and
[00:30:31] become super super ugly. And we are
[00:30:33] right on the brink of that.
[00:30:35] Why are they misogynists? Maybe because
[00:30:38] you told them
[00:30:40] the hormones they were born with were
[00:30:42] toxic.
[00:30:44] What are they supposed to do with that
[00:30:46] transition? Well, a lot of them did. Cut
[00:30:50] your dick off. The ultimate sign
[00:30:55] of bowing before authority. You're
[00:30:57] right. I'll self-castrate.
[00:30:59] And again, a lot did.
[00:31:02] But what about the ones who didn't want
[00:31:04] to self-castrate? Where are they? Well,
[00:31:07] they're pissed and they're pissed at
[00:31:09] you.
[00:31:11] They're mad at you and they have every
[00:31:13] good reason to be mad at you. Period.
[00:31:18] The third lesson we should take from the
[00:31:19] fact that Nick Fuentes, who everyone's
[00:31:21] busy down, Nick Fuentes, he's the
[00:31:23] problem, right? Yeah, he's the problem.
[00:31:24] Some 27y old he's the problem. No,
[00:31:28] you're the problem, actually.
[00:31:30] And the third factor in his popularity
[00:31:34] is the fact, the uncontestable fact that
[00:31:37] the economy the rest of us in our
[00:31:39] 50s,60s and 70s people have all the
[00:31:40] money have created is destroying young
[00:31:43] people. Just a fact. And it's not just
[00:31:46] that they it's not just that they can't
[00:31:48] have,
[00:31:49] you know, the place in Greenwich and the
[00:31:51] place in Jackson Hole. It's no, they
[00:31:54] can't have any place. They can't have
[00:31:56] anything. They don't can't own anything.
[00:31:59] And rather than
[00:32:02] even spend a day thinking through like
[00:32:04] how do we fix this? The answer is well
[00:32:07] we'll just import people who are
[00:32:09] grateful for what they're getting here
[00:32:11] because the differential between what
[00:32:13] they got at home and got here is pretty
[00:32:15] big. Look if you're from Waka
[00:32:18] or Bangalore like not owning a home in
[00:32:21] your 30s is fine. You never expected to
[00:32:23] own a home anyway. So, you're just
[00:32:25] you're just happy to be here and you're
[00:32:27] grateful to the people who brought you
[00:32:28] and you'll vote for them. That is
[00:32:30] literally their thinking and it's
[00:32:32] demonstrable. It's their thinking. But
[00:32:34] for people who were born here,
[00:32:37] what a betrayal. What a terrible
[00:32:39] betrayal and worse than a betrayal.
[00:32:41] Here's just an overview of it. Buying a
[00:32:43] home has never been harder. The average
[00:32:45] firsttime buyer is now 40 years old and
[00:32:48] it's more expensive to own. Nationally,
[00:32:50] the median price of a home is $415,000.
[00:32:54] up more than 50% since 2019. If you buy
[00:32:57] that average price home now, the payment
[00:32:59] is roughly $2,000 a month. When you pay
[00:33:02] it off in 30 years, it would have cost
[00:33:04] you about $657,000.
[00:33:08] Just 6 years ago, you'd have paid $1,500
[00:33:11] a month and about $563,000
[00:33:14] total. The dream of owning a home is
[00:33:17] causing some Americans to rethink
[00:33:18] important milestones. A new survey by
[00:33:21] Coldwell Banker finds 71% of aspiring
[00:33:24] homeowners are postponing at least one
[00:33:26] life decision like getting married,
[00:33:28] having kids, or making career moves
[00:33:30] until they can afford to buy a home. So,
[00:33:32] they can't afford houses. Probably
[00:33:36] the top issue for young men in their 20s
[00:33:40] and 30s are a lot of issues. By the way,
[00:33:44] at a time when they can't buy a home,
[00:33:45] the idea of sending money to a foreign
[00:33:47] country, particularly Israel, but all
[00:33:49] countries, any country, Sudan,
[00:33:52] France, pretty offensive, because it is,
[00:33:55] after all, their government. They pay
[00:33:57] for it. You know, why wouldn't it offend
[00:33:58] them? But not being able to buy a home,
[00:34:01] if you ask any young person, or at least
[00:34:03] the dozen or two I've asked, number one,
[00:34:05] like I grew up in a home, not an
[00:34:07] apartment, not section 8, not a rental
[00:34:10] house, but like a house that I own. Not
[00:34:12] a huge house, but it's like a house.
[00:34:14] Could go to Home Depot, buy garden hose,
[00:34:17] fix the gutter. Like that's kind of the
[00:34:18] dream actually for most men. And in that
[00:34:21] home, I have my wife, my children, and
[00:34:24] my dog. Like, it's not these are not
[00:34:26] crazy aspirations. These are the most
[00:34:28] human aspirations men think about when
[00:34:30] they go to sleep at night. It's like my
[00:34:31] little house.
[00:34:33] There's nothing more male than that. You
[00:34:34] know, it's my cave. And they're being
[00:34:37] denied that. So, they're upset. And
[00:34:40] increasingly, they feel nihilistic. And
[00:34:41] why wouldn't they?
[00:34:44] But the question that too few ask is,
[00:34:45] well, why can't they buy a home? Like,
[00:34:47] what is that? And you often hear dumb
[00:34:49] people say, "We just don't have enough
[00:34:50] homes." Okay, don't have enough homes.
[00:34:53] We need to take like Yellowstone and
[00:34:55] build section 8 or something. Morons.
[00:35:00] And of course, you know, supply and
[00:35:02] demand is real. And so, you know, there
[00:35:04] are fewer homes than [snorts]
[00:35:05] than we would like to have and so the
[00:35:07] price rises. Okay, but that's not really
[00:35:09] the whole story. There are a bunch of
[00:35:10] factors. One, big companies buying homes
[00:35:12] and turning them into rentals. Why would
[00:35:15] you ever allow that? If you want a
[00:35:17] revolution, keep that up.
[00:35:20] Two is we just have more people. Density
[00:35:23] is a real thing. This is a great country
[00:35:25] because it's not an overpop populated
[00:35:27] country. It's not Bangladesh, not just
[00:35:28] because we're better than the
[00:35:29] Bangladeshies, but because there are
[00:35:31] fewer of us in a bigger piece of land.
[00:35:34] You don't want to live cheek to jow. It
[00:35:36] makes people crazy. It makes rats crazy
[00:35:38] and it makes people crazy. Nobody wants
[00:35:39] that. But we're getting it and we're
[00:35:41] getting it through immigration. Illegal
[00:35:43] and legal. We're being flooded with
[00:35:45] people from outside the country.
[00:35:46] Everyone's like, "Oh, wow." You know,
[00:35:48] that's a that's a racial thing. Okay.
[00:35:51] Maybe for some people there are racial
[00:35:53] elements for sure. Certainly a lot of
[00:35:54] cultural elements that are important,
[00:35:57] but like at root, it's a very simple
[00:36:01] question. Has nothing to do with
[00:36:02] ethnicity or even culture. It's like how
[00:36:04] many people do you want living near you?
[00:36:07] So many you can't afford a house.
[00:36:11] That's kind of an overlooked byproduct
[00:36:14] of stuffing the country full of people
[00:36:16] who are here because they're inexpensive
[00:36:19] to employ and grateful to be here. It's
[00:36:22] a massive byproduct.
[00:36:24] But there's another factor that's never
[00:36:26] mentioned and that's debt. Young people
[00:36:29] are totally in hawk. They are completely
[00:36:32] indebted.
[00:36:34] They have student loans. they were
[00:36:37] required to get a degree or told they
[00:36:39] were required to get a degree to get
[00:36:40] some job that no longer exists because
[00:36:41] it's been eliminated or H-1B or
[00:36:44] whatever. The jobs aren't there.
[00:36:45] Unemployment among recent college grads
[00:36:47] is out of control. Out of control. Are
[00:36:50] they becoming more moderate [laughter]
[00:36:52] once once they leave college like
[00:36:54] hundreds of thousands of dollars of
[00:36:55] debt? They followed every instruction
[00:36:58] they were given dutifully because young
[00:37:00] people are actually pretty dutiful.
[00:37:03] And in this country, young people, some
[00:37:06] of them are really smart for real. Talk
[00:37:08] talk to them. There tons of losers, of
[00:37:11] course, there always are. But the smart
[00:37:13] ones are really smart and very aware of
[00:37:15] what's going on. And they know that
[00:37:17] they've been completely betrayed. They
[00:37:18] did what they were told to do. And
[00:37:21] they're shafted. They're literally
[00:37:23] shafted because they don't have enough
[00:37:25] income. In some cases, any. So what are
[00:37:27] they doing? They're going into debt.
[00:37:30] They have student loans.
[00:37:32] They have credit card debt. And of
[00:37:34] course, now there are all these other
[00:37:36] ways to borrow money
[00:37:38] that are disguised.
[00:37:41] Buy now, pay later. What's that? You're
[00:37:43] going into debt, of course.
[00:37:46] And what's so interesting about this,
[00:37:49] and this is a problem primarily on the
[00:37:50] right, though not exclusively,
[00:37:53] is that no one has sympathy for them at
[00:37:54] all.
[00:37:56] Conservatives, hate to say this out
[00:37:58] loud, but it's true. Conservatives have
[00:38:01] been trained
[00:38:03] to blame the borrower, not the lender.
[00:38:08] It's like a feature of the mindset.
[00:38:10] Well, you took the loan, you got to pay
[00:38:12] it back. It's your moral duty to pay it
[00:38:14] back. Pay back what you owe. Don't be a
[00:38:17] deadbeat. Okay, fine. Get it. Like it.
[00:38:21] But is it really that simple?
[00:38:23] No, it's not. Because the relationship
[00:38:28] between borrower and lender is
[00:38:30] inherently symbiotic. One cannot exist
[00:38:33] without the other. What other
[00:38:34] relationship is like that? What other
[00:38:37] fraught, sad,
[00:38:39] diseased relationship is like that?
[00:38:41] Well, addict and pusher.
[00:38:43] Of course, you you can't be a drug
[00:38:45] addict unless someone sells you drugs.
[00:38:48] And yet, we understand the complexity of
[00:38:51] that relationship and we punish both. In
[00:38:54] fact, we punish the drug dealer more
[00:38:57] harshly than we punish the drug addict
[00:38:59] because we understand that the drug
[00:39:01] dealer is making all this suffering
[00:39:02] possible. And we feel sorry for the
[00:39:04] addict. Well, he's an addict. We can we
[00:39:07] can punish him. And by the way, throwing
[00:39:08] him in jail might be the only way to
[00:39:09] sober him up. It might save his life.
[00:39:11] And we should for his own sake and for
[00:39:14] ours. Stop breaking into my car. Got it.
[00:39:18] But the drug dealer, well, that we
[00:39:19] reserve our rage for him because he's
[00:39:22] the one doing it. He's taking advantage
[00:39:24] of the weak.
[00:39:26] And that's all true and that's
[00:39:28] appropriate to feel that way. It's
[00:39:29] exactly right. But we don't feel that
[00:39:32] way about credit card companies or
[00:39:34] student loan vendors or the guys who are
[00:39:37] literally offering buy now pay later for
[00:39:40] Door Dash.
[00:39:43] Some unemployed or undermployed college
[00:39:45] grad went to some crappy college, got a
[00:39:47] worthless degree cuz he believed in it.
[00:39:49] Now he can't get a job at JP Morgan.
[00:39:52] He's never going to get one.
[00:39:55] And we are telling him it's totally cool
[00:40:00] to buy sushi on credit. What?
[00:40:05] He shouldn't buy sushi on credit.
[00:40:06] Obviously, that's dumb. But he's a kid.
[00:40:11] Who's worse?
[00:40:14] The guy who borrows the money or the guy
[00:40:16] who loans the money at some ridiculous
[00:40:18] rate?
[00:40:20] payday loans in this country. There are
[00:40:22] payday loans that have a 600% annual
[00:40:26] interest rate
[00:40:28] and we kind of ignore it because we're
[00:40:29] like, who would take a payday loan?
[00:40:32] You know, that's like a ghetto thing.
[00:40:34] Okay.
[00:40:36] Okay, fine. It's a ghetto thing. But who
[00:40:39] would do that to the ghetto? Actually,
[00:40:42] who would do something like that? If
[00:40:44] somebody said to you, you know, you can
[00:40:46] make a pretty good living exploiting and
[00:40:47] degrading people, destroying their
[00:40:49] lives. Would you do it? Hope not.
[00:40:53] But if you did do it, the rest of us
[00:40:55] would have a moral obligation to say you
[00:40:57] are disgusting. That's disgusting what
[00:40:59] you're doing. And we don't. And we
[00:41:03] especially don't on the right because
[00:41:06] like it's immoral to criticize banks or
[00:41:08] something because you don't believe in
[00:41:09] free markets.
[00:41:11] Well, yeah. I wish we had them. Of
[00:41:13] course I believe in free markets. Where
[00:41:15] is the free market in the United States?
[00:41:16] When you find it, you got my cell.
[00:41:19] But what we have to be against, and this
[00:41:22] is more important than whatever you
[00:41:23] believe about the effectiveness of
[00:41:25] relative economic systems, we have to be
[00:41:27] against exploiting and crushing people.
[00:41:31] And if we're not, then like what are we
[00:41:32] doing?
[00:41:34] And it's not even a matter of banning
[00:41:36] it. It's a matter of saying it's
[00:41:37] disgusting. 30% interest credit card and
[00:41:39] that's totally fine.
[00:41:42] I must have done 15 segments at Fox News
[00:41:44] about how Joe Biden's real sin was
[00:41:48] making credit card debt
[00:41:49] non-dischargeable in bankruptcy. Oh, who
[00:41:51] cares? Well, you're against capitalism.
[00:41:54] If you want to make people against
[00:41:56] capitalism, let that [ __ ] continue. And
[00:41:58] they will absolutely vote for Donnie.
[00:42:02] And they have, by the way, they have.
[00:42:06] So if you want to understand why young
[00:42:10] people are getting radical, one of the
[00:42:12] main reasons is they are being exploited
[00:42:15] by the most unscrupulous, richest people
[00:42:17] in our society and then being blamed for
[00:42:20] it. And no one says a word about the
[00:42:24] rich, unscrupulous people who are doing
[00:42:26] this
[00:42:28] because everyone's taking money from
[00:42:30] them. And you saw this in the last ad,
[00:42:33] the Democratic, the liberal
[00:42:34] administration. So the idea was and it's
[00:42:37] true young people are being destroyed by
[00:42:39] student loans. Okay, that's true.
[00:42:43] Who who's benefiting from that? Well,
[00:42:46] the the colleges of course are
[00:42:47] benefiting because it's allowing them to
[00:42:50] hire more administrators than they have
[00:42:52] professors. It's allowing them to live
[00:42:54] in this kind of fantasy world where they
[00:42:56] build this incredibly beautiful little
[00:43:00] biosphere in the middle of some
[00:43:02] economically depressed hellscape in a
[00:43:04] rural area. That's true of like every
[00:43:06] New England college.
[00:43:08] Bates College in Lewon. Ever been to
[00:43:10] Lewon?
[00:43:12] Bates is beautiful. Why?
[00:43:15] Because they're participating in the
[00:43:16] scam. of course, backstopped by the
[00:43:19] federal government,
[00:43:21] by student loans. So, they're the
[00:43:24] beneficiary.
[00:43:25] They're the lone shark here, actually,
[00:43:28] and so are the companies that are
[00:43:29] getting rich from this. But what was
[00:43:30] what was the Biden plan? The Biden plan
[00:43:33] was to stick taxpayers with the bill for
[00:43:35] bailing out students. So, they
[00:43:38] identified the problem correctly, which
[00:43:40] is kids are getting completely screwed.
[00:43:41] That's terrible. and it's preventing
[00:43:43] them from having productive lives,
[00:43:45] getting married, buying houses. It's
[00:43:48] hurting them.
[00:43:51] [snorts] So, who gets to fix it? You do.
[00:43:53] You've got nothing to do with it. You're
[00:43:54] probably paying your own kids tuition,
[00:43:55] but you get to bail them out. And guess
[00:43:57] who's not blamed or punished? The
[00:44:01] beneficiaries, the lenders, because you
[00:44:03] can't criticize the banks. Can't
[00:44:05] criticize the universities.
[00:44:07] Oh, yes you can. Yes, you can. because
[00:44:10] it's not exclusively their fault. It's
[00:44:13] primarily their fault. And they've
[00:44:15] dodged all responsibility. Just like
[00:44:17] everyone who's made life destroying
[00:44:20] decisions in this country over the past
[00:44:22] 20 years, the truly guilty have escaped
[00:44:26] not just punishment, but criticism.
[00:44:30] Yeah. That can't go on forever.
[00:44:33] And in the meantime, it's creating a
[00:44:35] whole new audience, not just for
[00:44:36] Fuentes, but for a lot of increasingly
[00:44:39] radical people, because that's what
[00:44:40] happens when you mistreat people and
[00:44:42] then attack them for not liking it, is
[00:44:45] you make them radical. As important as
[00:44:47] it is, politics is not the answer to
[00:44:49] this country's or man's greatest
[00:44:51] problem. The only solution is Jesus.
[00:44:54] Sorry, that's true. At its core,
[00:44:57] politics is a process of critiquing
[00:44:59] other people and getting them to change.
[00:45:02] Christianity is the opposite.
[00:45:04] Christianity begins with a call for you
[00:45:07] to change, me to change. It's called
[00:45:10] repentance, [music]
[00:45:10] and it brings you back to God. When God
[00:45:13] is at the center, hearts change. Only
[00:45:16] that will lead to the end of abortion,
[00:45:19] the greatest atrocity this country's
[00:45:21] ever participated in.
[00:45:23] The normalizing of killing babies is a
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[00:46:09] Defend the pre-born. There's nothing
[00:46:13] nothing more worth it. We hope you'll
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[00:46:17] of them are radical. A lot of them are
[00:46:18] just clearing and sensible and decent
[00:46:21] and committed to universal principles of
[00:46:24] human rights and decency in that
[00:46:26] generation. The real surprise here is
[00:46:30] how moderate
[00:46:33] a lot of these kids are. You would
[00:46:35] expect them to be a lot more pissed off
[00:46:37] and they will get that way soon. But for
[00:46:41] right now,
[00:46:43] most of them most of them are decent
[00:46:46] people and smart. They know what's up.
[00:46:50] One of them is called Nen Haley. We we
[00:46:52] thought a lot before doing this
[00:46:54] interview, the one we're about to do,
[00:46:57] because the man we're about to talk to
[00:46:59] is 24 and is the son of Nikki Haley, the
[00:47:03] former governor of South Carolina,
[00:47:05] presidential candidate Neocon.
[00:47:08] And there's really nothing more immoral
[00:47:11] than using a child against a parent.
[00:47:13] I've been a consistent and pretty
[00:47:15] strident opponent of Nikki Haley's views
[00:47:18] for a long time. And so the idea of
[00:47:21] interviewing her son of being like,
[00:47:23] "Doesn't your mom suck? That's
[00:47:25] disgusting and we're never going to do
[00:47:27] that." Um, and so we had a lot of
[00:47:29] conversations off camera with him before
[00:47:31] this interview. And it turns out he
[00:47:33] really likes his mom a lot and thinks
[00:47:34] she was a great mother and she's a great
[00:47:36] person and he completely disagrees with
[00:47:39] some of her views, maybe a lot of her
[00:47:40] views, while still loving her and
[00:47:42] remaining grateful to her.
[00:47:45] And that in itself is just such a
[00:47:46] remarkable model of what this country
[00:47:49] should be, the way that we should all
[00:47:51] be, but increasingly are not.
[00:47:55] And so we were delighted to to talk to
[00:47:57] this man and I think and I think if you
[00:48:00] listen carefully you will think that he
[00:48:03] has one of the from a young person one
[00:48:06] of the clearest explanations for how a
[00:48:09] lot of young Americans not just white
[00:48:10] men but a lot of young people now
[00:48:13] currently feel about their leaders the
[00:48:15] conservative movement and where we're
[00:48:17] going. So with that Neil and Haley thank
[00:48:21] you for doing this.
[00:48:22] >> Yep. Thank you. So, the main reason I
[00:48:24] interviewed Nick Fuentes is because I
[00:48:26] wanted to know why Nick Fuentes was
[00:48:27] popular.
[00:48:29] And let me just say none of this about
[00:48:30] Nick Fuentes. It's not about one guy,
[00:48:32] but here you had a guy was, you know,
[00:48:34] everyone hated him. He was canceled and
[00:48:35] he's getting bigger and bigger, bigger,
[00:48:37] bigger. And I thought it's possible he's
[00:48:39] saying some things that are dumb or
[00:48:41] probably, you know, but some things that
[00:48:43] are need to be heard and that are not
[00:48:45] being heard and that are appealing to
[00:48:48] young men who feel like they aren't
[00:48:51] being heard. And maybe we should hear
[00:48:53] this and maybe even act on some of these
[00:48:55] problems.
[00:48:56] >> Yeah.
[00:48:57] >> Before things get even crazier than they
[00:48:59] already are. So, um, I want to talk to
[00:49:02] you not because I have no idea what you
[00:49:04] think of next, Francis. is not even
[00:49:05] going to ask you, but because I think
[00:49:06] that young men are reacting against a
[00:49:10] society that hates them and have these
[00:49:11] attitudes we need to hear about. So, um,
[00:49:14] thank you. Have your political views
[00:49:16] changed in the last 5 years?
[00:49:18] >> Uh,
[00:49:19] >> well, how old are you? 24.
[00:49:20] >> Just turned 24. And I actually would say
[00:49:25] not too much, just a little bit.
[00:49:27] >> Yes. I would say my views started to
[00:49:30] change probably around late junior year
[00:49:33] of high school. Nothing significant
[00:49:35] happened. It was nothing that I saw or
[00:49:37] anything. It was just I decided I wasn't
[00:49:39] going to accept just what Khan Inc. was
[00:49:41] giving me. And it's
[00:49:43] >> what's Khan Ink?
[00:49:44] >> Khan, Inc. is basically your typical
[00:49:47] conservative media, you know, very
[00:49:49] typical Republican, not any sort of
[00:49:52] nationalist, you know, the type of legal
[00:49:53] immigration good, illegal bad, you know,
[00:49:55] >> right?
[00:49:56] Uh, and it's it's it got tiring and I
[00:49:59] was like, I don't want to just accept
[00:50:01] what's given to me like right in front
[00:50:03] of me. I want to actually think for
[00:50:04] myself. And so, did you feel just to
[00:50:07] press on a little bit, did you feel that
[00:50:09] the news outlets that were created for
[00:50:11] you, you were never liberal, I guess?
[00:50:13] >> Never. No. Okay. Thank God.
[00:50:14] >> I wasn't either. Um, but you felt that
[00:50:16] the news outlets that were like there to
[00:50:18] serve you were actually maybe not
[00:50:21] serving you and instead misleading.
[00:50:22] >> No, of course not. And I absolutely hate
[00:50:23] the media. I just do. I I just they are
[00:50:27] to me the worst people in the world.
[00:50:29] They are vultures and blood sucking
[00:50:32] leeches who care nothing about the
[00:50:34] country. They thrive off the destruction
[00:50:36] of the United States. They have no
[00:50:38] loyalty to a country, to an ideology, to
[00:50:41] a people, only their money and the
[00:50:43] ratings. And the way that they get that
[00:50:46] is through sewing division and chaos
[00:50:48] because that's how they know people
[00:50:49] watch them more. That's how they get
[00:50:51] more money. And so it's very similar to
[00:50:54] the way the greedy anti-American
[00:50:55] corporations are in that they don't care
[00:50:59] about American values, American
[00:51:01] identity, American sovereignty, American
[00:51:02] workers, American people, and therefore
[00:51:04] we shouldn't care about them. So I
[00:51:08] [laughter] and some I assume are good
[00:51:11] people to to quote our president.
[00:51:14] >> Okay. [laughter] I'm glad I asked you
[00:51:16] that question. Um
[00:51:17] >> No, I hate him. I really do. And it's
[00:51:19] >> Can I just say amen loud enough? Yeah,
[00:51:21] of course.
[00:51:21] >> Amen. Amen.
[00:51:24] >> Wow. How did you figure that out?
[00:51:27] >> I don't know. You know, it's it's funny.
[00:51:30] Everyone in my generation who's a
[00:51:31] conservative started out with the the
[00:51:35] Ben Shapiro owns SJW uh compilation
[00:51:39] videos on YouTube. That's what brought
[00:51:40] it in. It was not even like
[00:51:42] >> the values or the the talking points
[00:51:45] actually, which makes sense why we're
[00:51:47] leaving it kind of because it was never
[00:51:48] the values. It was just funny. It was
[00:51:50] just rage bait. You know,
[00:51:52] >> that's what drew us in. And now that we
[00:51:54] were like, hey, wait a minute. Why is it
[00:51:55] that we can't talk about this thing or
[00:51:57] why is it that we're not allowed to
[00:51:58] criticize this?
[00:52:00] >> That's when people started to feel like
[00:52:03] maybe
[00:52:05] this isn't allowing us to see the entire
[00:52:07] picture
[00:52:08] >> and maybe the point of it was to mislead
[00:52:10] rather than illuminate.
[00:52:11] >> Right. Exactly.
[00:52:13] >> How old were you when you figured that?
[00:52:14] I was like 50. So, how old were you?
[00:52:16] >> Uh, junior year of high school. What is
[00:52:18] that? turned 17 I think
[00:52:20] >> really.
[00:52:21] >> So that was but I of course I never told
[00:52:23] anybody my views and now it's very known
[00:52:26] that I have different views than my mom
[00:52:28] which is also
[00:52:29] >> very funny because it's like whenever
[00:52:31] anybody like says that they're like I
[00:52:33] can't believe that you have different
[00:52:34] views. I say do you have different views
[00:52:36] than your mom? And they'll be like
[00:52:37] >> yeah of course why would I be any
[00:52:39] different?
[00:52:40] >> I want to say out loud because it's this
[00:52:42] has been a present factor in my life
[00:52:43] recently. I think it's totally immoral
[00:52:46] to use a child to attack a parent.
[00:52:48] >> Absolutely.
[00:52:49] >> I don't think there's really anything
[00:52:50] lower than that. And uh I would probably
[00:52:53] die before I did that. So I just want to
[00:52:54] be very clear with you.
[00:52:56] >> Never do that. And of course I don't
[00:52:57] think it's weird that you have
[00:52:59] >> different views from a parent. Like
[00:53:01] that's just not weird.
[00:53:02] >> Yeah.
[00:53:02] >> It's pretty normal.
[00:53:03] >> And that's actually one of the things I
[00:53:04] respect most about you is how loyal and
[00:53:06] defensive you are of your family.
[00:53:08] Because I mean that's like when you saw
[00:53:10] that thing about the event, I was like I
[00:53:11] can't believe he said that. And the
[00:53:12] whole time I was thinking good for him
[00:53:13] that he did that at that event. Like I
[00:53:15] was just like I would do the same thing.
[00:53:17] That's a very normal human reaction to
[00:53:19] someone attacking your family.
[00:53:20] >> Attack my dad and push you out. Yeah.
[00:53:22] Well, that's your duty as a son by the
[00:53:23] way.
[00:53:23] >> Absolutely.
[00:53:24] >> Yes. I believe that.
[00:53:25] >> Um so I just I just want to be clear
[00:53:27] with that. Uh so so you start to have
[00:53:29] these realizations that maybe this is
[00:53:31] like kind of fake or maybe it's totally
[00:53:34] fake. Who do you talk to about this?
[00:53:36] >> Uh no one. because the last thing you
[00:53:38] want to do is tell people people that
[00:53:40] you're uh not accepting what they're
[00:53:42] accepting and what they're believing.
[00:53:44] So, I kind of I've always been the type
[00:53:46] to just research things. I when I see a
[00:53:49] certain topic that I'm interested in, I
[00:53:50] just want to learn more about it. And
[00:53:52] so, that's what I did was taking various
[00:53:54] different sources and just trying to put
[00:53:56] it together. And just when you when you
[00:53:59] realize you're not allowed to talk about
[00:54:01] something in particular, it opens up
[00:54:03] very like more questions than answers,
[00:54:06] right? and and and sometimes I still
[00:54:08] feel like I have more questions than
[00:54:09] answers.
[00:54:09] >> Oh, I definitely do.
[00:54:10] >> So,
[00:54:11] >> that I never told anybody, but it was
[00:54:13] something that I noticed over time that
[00:54:15] I'm not the only one.
[00:54:17] >> Yes.
[00:54:17] >> Everyone else is noticing this and
[00:54:19] everyone else is heading towards the
[00:54:21] same direction, which is nationalist
[00:54:22] America first. And that's the direction
[00:54:24] I hope it will be.
[00:54:26] >> Well, it it's kind of once you start to
[00:54:27] think about it, it it's the obvious
[00:54:29] conclusion. What's the purpose of a
[00:54:31] government? I mean, you can like America
[00:54:33] or not like America, whatever, but if
[00:54:34] you're running America, right,
[00:54:35] >> you have an obligation to Americans.
[00:54:37] >> Absolutely. It's a crazy concept, right?
[00:54:39] >> But it's just like what would the other
[00:54:41] formula be?
[00:54:42] >> Exactly. Like what are we doing?
[00:54:43] >> Yeah.
[00:54:44] >> But that's exactly how it's been. It's
[00:54:46] just it makes no sense to me why we have
[00:54:48] special status for certain other
[00:54:50] countries, why we have special status
[00:54:51] for certain corporations, certain
[00:54:53] groups. It's like, why? We have people
[00:54:55] struggling here. We have people below
[00:54:56] the poverty line. We have bad schools.
[00:54:58] You have people going into debt because,
[00:55:00] you know, they broke a bone. You know,
[00:55:02] like this stuff is ridiculous.
[00:55:04] >> So, we have to call it out. And America
[00:55:06] first,
[00:55:08] >> I think, is mistakenly always associated
[00:55:11] with soul uh social and cultural issues,
[00:55:14] >> right?
[00:55:14] >> But it's also a massive economic issue
[00:55:16] as well. Totally agree.
[00:55:17] >> And no one talks enough about that
[00:55:19] >> cuz they don't want to talk about that.
[00:55:21] Of course, you should just scream about
[00:55:22] Hitler.
[00:55:22] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:55:23] >> What does that have to do with anything?
[00:55:24] He's been dead 80 years.
[00:55:25] >> Label you something. And the labeling is
[00:55:26] so ridiculous and it drives me crazy
[00:55:28] because
[00:55:30] >> I've been called everything fascist,
[00:55:32] socialist, woke. Yeah.
[00:55:34] >> Yeah. Radical. And that's the one that
[00:55:37] really gets me the most. This is a
[00:55:38] radical thing. I can be called like
[00:55:40] fascist. So who cares, right? Those are
[00:55:41] just everyone uses that now. So it's
[00:55:43] nothing special. But the radical
[00:55:47] that bothered me because I'm like all I
[00:55:49] have done and the only time I've gotten
[00:55:51] attention was cuz I advocated for
[00:55:53] American jobs, American affordability,
[00:55:56] American safety, American culture. It's
[00:55:58] like that's not radical. That's
[00:55:59] rational. There's nothing wrong with
[00:56:01] that.
[00:56:01] >> No, but it's it's ridiculous.
[00:56:04] >> Least revolutionary platform ever
[00:56:05] devised.
[00:56:06] >> Yeah. And the labeling is so dangerous,
[00:56:08] too. Just calling someone a Nazi is
[00:56:10] basically the same thing as calling for
[00:56:12] their death at this point. and we've
[00:56:14] just based off of the political violence
[00:56:16] and the direction we're heading. I don't
[00:56:17] really see a difference between the two.
[00:56:19] >> I agree with that.
[00:56:20] >> Yeah.
[00:56:21] >> As someone who's been called it quite a
[00:56:22] bit. Um so
[00:56:26] was it Ben Shapiro that you were
[00:56:27] watching at first?
[00:56:28] >> Ben Shapiro. Um a lot of Daily
[00:56:30] [clears throat] Wire.
[00:56:32] Uh Steven Crowder.
[00:56:36] Uh but other than that, I think I was
[00:56:38] never I like I never sat down and
[00:56:40] watched Fox, right? cuz no one in my
[00:56:42] generation ever sat down and watch TV.
[00:56:43] So, it was always YouTube videos and
[00:56:46] stuff online and
[00:56:47] >> just, you know, memes basically. And now
[00:56:50] we're we we've kind of evolved and like
[00:56:52] now I'm on X. I was never on X. Uh my
[00:56:55] life was probably better before I was on
[00:56:56] X probably. So,
[00:56:58] >> but that's that's it's definitely
[00:57:00] something that I transitioned into. And
[00:57:02] I don't really watch the people I used
[00:57:04] to.
[00:57:04] >> No. Yeah. No,
[00:57:06] >> I don't watch too many people at all
[00:57:07] actually. I but just lost touch with
[00:57:11] them. I felt like I couldn't relate
[00:57:12] anymore. So,
[00:57:13] >> what did you said at the outset that you
[00:57:14] noticed that there were things that were
[00:57:16] never addressed and that you were not
[00:57:18] supposed to address. What were those
[00:57:19] things?
[00:57:19] >> Uh, I would say a big part of that is
[00:57:21] the economic issues that we see. So,
[00:57:25] >> the goal of every generation, right, is
[00:57:27] to leave it better than you found it.
[00:57:28] And right now, we're not just not doing
[00:57:30] that. We're going in the opposite
[00:57:32] direction. It's getting worse.
[00:57:34] And I noticed that, you know, you used
[00:57:38] to have like a choice. You either for
[00:57:40] free market neoliberalism or you're a
[00:57:42] mom donnie style socialist,
[00:57:44] >> right?
[00:57:44] >> And it's like, no, capitalism is
[00:57:46] actually a very broad thing, right? So,
[00:57:49] I was upset because we're not allowed to
[00:57:52] criticize corporations who are clearly
[00:57:54] not putting American workers first or
[00:57:57] the country first. And the Republican
[00:57:59] party historically has been like, you
[00:58:02] can't criticize that. you can't
[00:58:03] criticize the free markets and I don't
[00:58:05] even like to call it free markets, more
[00:58:06] like lawless markets actually.
[00:58:08] >> Um, and that's actually the same
[00:58:11] structure that destroyed industrial
[00:58:14] America. All of those factory worker
[00:58:17] jobs that were in Ohio, in Indiana,
[00:58:21] Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois,
[00:58:22] Pennsylvania, that all got sent over to
[00:58:26] China and other foreign countries. And
[00:58:28] we're not allowed to criticize that. Of
[00:58:30] course, I'm going to criticize that.
[00:58:32] You're putting American workers last,
[00:58:33] >> of course.
[00:58:34] >> And we're we're putting the elites first
[00:58:35] and that's not right. We're putting a
[00:58:37] small number of people ahead of the
[00:58:39] majority and I don't agree with that.
[00:58:42] >> Well, how could anyone agree with that?
[00:58:44] >> Uh because they have their own interest
[00:58:46] and certain things drive that interest
[00:58:49] like money and that's what we see from
[00:58:51] the media. That's what we see from
[00:58:52] corporations and that's what they do
[00:58:53] because they don't want to lose track of
[00:58:55] that.
[00:58:55] >> It seems like one of the main control
[00:58:57] devices employed by the by Khan Inc.
[00:58:59] because you called the institutional
[00:59:01] conservatives who were not conservative
[00:59:03] in any sense but whatever was to just
[00:59:05] call you a socialist. If you talked
[00:59:06] about Israel, you're an anti-semit. If
[00:59:08] you talked about the like collapsing,
[00:59:10] inverting American economy where a tiny
[00:59:13] group got everything, you were a
[00:59:14] socialist.
[00:59:15] >> It's ridiculous.
[00:59:16] >> But did you feel that
[00:59:17] >> that I was a socialist?
[00:59:18] >> No. But did you feel that that some of
[00:59:21] those gatekeepers were using that term
[00:59:23] to keep you from
[00:59:24] >> 100%. That's and they still do that and
[00:59:26] it's it's never going to go away because
[00:59:28] anything that's a threat to like I said
[00:59:30] just like the media any corporate money
[00:59:33] or anything that you know they don't
[00:59:36] make their quarterly goal or their
[00:59:37] profit then yeah they're going to call
[00:59:39] anyone a socialist because just being
[00:59:40] against them they want to label you
[00:59:42] because it scares people. The word
[00:59:43] socialist scares people and it's not a
[00:59:45] good thing. I don't like socialism,
[00:59:47] >> right?
[00:59:47] >> But they use it in the wrong way because
[00:59:50] they want to label someone to say, "Hey,
[00:59:52] don't talk about that. He's this. He's
[00:59:54] that. he's a socialist and it it's used
[00:59:57] to kind of delegitimize you. But I think
[01:00:00] when you look at the Republican party
[01:00:02] now is now becoming more of the party of
[01:00:05] the working class and my generation is
[01:00:06] kind of uh responsible for that. I think
[01:00:09] it was Newsweek that reported something
[01:00:11] that
[01:00:13] in the 90s or 80s something like that
[01:00:16] they did a survey which said which party
[01:00:18] is the party of the working class like
[01:00:21] 90% said Democrats. It was unanimous,
[01:00:22] right? Like everyone knew the Democrat
[01:00:24] party meant working people.
[01:00:25] >> Oh, I was there. That's correct.
[01:00:27] >> And now they asked that again this year
[01:00:30] and 51% said Democrats and 49% said
[01:00:34] Republicans. Why would we not embrace
[01:00:36] that group of people, those hardworking
[01:00:38] people? We wouldn't have a country
[01:00:39] without them,
[01:00:40] >> of course.
[01:00:41] >> So, I hope to see that. And I think my
[01:00:43] generation is starting to lean that way.
[01:00:45] And it's important that we put American
[01:00:47] workers first.
[01:00:51] debt. I keep char the last conversation
[01:00:53] I had on camera with Charlie Kirk was
[01:00:55] about the debt that young people are
[01:00:56] incurring. Not just their student loans,
[01:00:58] which are I think the biggest, but their
[01:01:00] credit cards, their, you know, buy now
[01:01:03] pay later scams. How big a factor is
[01:01:06] that in your generation?
[01:01:08] >> The reaction to the economic issues that
[01:01:11] my generation sees ahead of them is
[01:01:13] despair, hopelessness. They don't see
[01:01:16] any way out. I mean, and why would they?
[01:01:18] because we just passed I think it was $
[01:01:21] 38.2 trillion in debt recently. So, and
[01:01:25] that's that's all mainly and the biggest
[01:01:29] thing the biggest thing that scares my
[01:01:32] generation is the housing crisis by far.
[01:01:35] By far. The average first-time home
[01:01:38] buyer in America is 40 years old now.
[01:01:41] 40.
[01:01:43] 5 years ago it was 33.
[01:01:45] So, it's scary how quick we're I mean I
[01:01:49] personally I don't see how I'm ever
[01:01:51] going to buy a home and I do decently
[01:01:53] well for someone my age. Um, and I still
[01:01:56] don't see it. I live in Fort Mill, South
[01:01:58] Carolina. It's just south of Charlotte.
[01:02:00] And I got so angry because about a month
[01:02:02] or two ago, I was like, "Let me look at
[01:02:03] housing prices. Let me see what they
[01:02:04] are." And I saw how expensive they were.
[01:02:08] And then I looked and saw how much they
[01:02:10] were
[01:02:11] just a few years ago.
[01:02:13] >> Yeah. And it's doubled, almost tripled
[01:02:16] the cost.
[01:02:18] And that's everywhere in South Carolina,
[01:02:20] not just there. And it's beyond
[01:02:22] frustrating that
[01:02:25] people of the past generations are not
[01:02:28] doing what parents should do, which is
[01:02:30] have your kids have a greater life than
[01:02:31] you did. That's the goal. So, it's
[01:02:35] hopelessness really.
[01:02:38] >> How much debt does like your friends
[01:02:41] have? I won't ask you
[01:02:43] >> about yourself, but I mean, do people
[01:02:45] have student loans, credit cards? Is
[01:02:47] that a
[01:02:48] >> I mean, everyone's probably scared to
[01:02:50] talk about it, so I wouldn't know, but I
[01:02:52] would imagine, you know, just from
[01:02:53] school alone, um,
[01:02:56] >> tens of thousands, maybe some even six.
[01:02:58] >> What? We live in a country where people
[01:03:00] are like totally happy to tell you about
[01:03:02] their sex lives,
[01:03:04] >> whatever weird thought they've had. you
[01:03:06] know, they're just it's an exhibitionist
[01:03:08] culture, but not on the question of debt
[01:03:10] and money. Why is that? You say people
[01:03:12] are embarrassed to say they're in hawk
[01:03:14] to City Bank for their credit card. Why
[01:03:16] is that embarrassing?
[01:03:17] >> But you know what? Now it's it it's
[01:03:18] actually I've noticed it is actually
[01:03:19] becoming a little less where people are
[01:03:21] more vocal about it because it's just so
[01:03:22] normal. Everyone has it and no one
[01:03:24] really sees a way out. So it's like
[01:03:26] what's there to hide? So I think that
[01:03:29] that's
[01:03:30] becoming less taboo to talk about.
[01:03:32] >> I hope so. And I think it's a great
[01:03:35] thing because the previous generation
[01:03:37] either they're not sure of the problems
[01:03:39] we're facing or they're ignoring it. And
[01:03:41] to be honest, I don't know which one's
[01:03:42] worse.
[01:03:44] >> So,
[01:03:45] and there's also this kind of residual
[01:03:48] feeling that an indebted person is
[01:03:51] solely responsible for his debt.
[01:03:53] >> Yeah.
[01:03:53] >> Whereas we don't feel that way about say
[01:03:55] drug addiction,
[01:03:55] >> right?
[01:03:56] >> It's the addict's fault. So, it's also
[01:03:57] the dealer's fault. And actually, the
[01:03:58] dealer gets a worse punishment.
[01:04:01] >> I don't understand that. I think that is
[01:04:03] an idea that's been pushed by Conning
[01:04:05] pretty hard.
[01:04:06] >> Yeah. And I think just based off of our
[01:04:08] system now, I think we've seen that
[01:04:09] that's not the case. If you want and now
[01:04:11] it's getting to a point where it's like
[01:04:14] like you have to have a degree for
[01:04:16] everything now. Like even you want to
[01:04:18] work at McDonald's, you have to get a
[01:04:20] degree. You want to, you know, have this
[01:04:22] retail job, get a degree. Like
[01:04:24] everything's a degree when it doesn't
[01:04:26] need to be a degree. And so that's when
[01:04:28] we're seeing like so many people going
[01:04:29] into debt when they don't even need to
[01:04:31] go to college. And that's how it was for
[01:04:33] my uh parents, my friend's parents,
[01:04:35] everybody else. You didn't even you got
[01:04:37] a job straight out of high school. Not
[01:04:40] even college. You got you got it out of
[01:04:42] high school.
[01:04:42] >> Yeah.
[01:04:43] >> And now it's just become so saturated
[01:04:45] that it's just you need a degree in
[01:04:48] something ridiculous for something that
[01:04:49] doesn't require it. It's pushing people
[01:04:51] into debt when they don't need to be.
[01:04:54] Do people in your generation think that
[01:04:56] that's an accident or like how did we
[01:04:59] get here? This was not the case.
[01:05:00] >> I think they're all confused. I think
[01:05:01] they have no idea what to make of it
[01:05:03] because we didn't make it. It's not our
[01:05:05] fault. We didn't do anything. It was a
[01:05:06] previous generation. They should answer.
[01:05:08] >> So, I think we're all just like, "What
[01:05:09] just happened? How come it's harder for
[01:05:11] us?" And they have no idea and they
[01:05:13] shouldn't have any idea because they're
[01:05:14] not doing anything wrong. They're
[01:05:15] getting educated.
[01:05:17] >> For the most part, they're hard workers.
[01:05:18] Not, you know, we have some issues with
[01:05:20] Jenz with work ethic, but when they want
[01:05:21] to work, they will work and they're good
[01:05:23] at it.
[01:05:24] There's only two kinds of Gen Z
[01:05:26] employees. We were just laughing about
[01:05:27] this last week. My college roommate and
[01:05:30] I. They're either like just total pthead
[01:05:32] losers or they're like the most
[01:05:34] impressive kids.
[01:05:35] >> No in between.
[01:05:36] >> Is that That's not our imagination.
[01:05:38] >> Oh, no. That's That's very accurate. No.
[01:05:40] What is that?
[01:05:40] >> I don't know. I don't have no idea.
[01:05:42] >> I can honestly say some of the smartest
[01:05:43] people I've ever met are in For real.
[01:05:45] I'm not That's not false flattery in
[01:05:47] your generation. Like totally aware of
[01:05:49] everything. And then, you know, then the
[01:05:52] then there's the face tattoo people, but
[01:05:53] like why
[01:05:55] >> I couldn't even speculate. It actually
[01:05:57] does make no sense at all. But that's
[01:06:00] it's very interesting to think about cuz
[01:06:01] I've noticed that as well.
[01:06:03] >> Yeah. It's it does give you hope because
[01:06:06] there are a lot of kids who know what's
[01:06:08] up.
[01:06:08] >> Yeah. Uh especially with these issues
[01:06:11] cuz you know those pad kids, you know,
[01:06:14] they probably don't know what's going
[01:06:15] on. They wouldn't notice that
[01:06:17] something's wrong at all. Right. But now
[01:06:18] we have kids that are waking up. They're
[01:06:20] noticing that there's a problem and
[01:06:22] they're saying we have to speak up. We
[01:06:23] have to fix this. So
[01:06:25] >> ah interesting. What's the what's the
[01:06:27] prevailing view of like war, foreign
[01:06:30] policy?
[01:06:30] >> Oh gosh, we hate war. We really despise
[01:06:33] it. Um
[01:06:35] George Bush was probably the worst
[01:06:37] president in modern America by far.
[01:06:41] When you look at the amount of debt,
[01:06:43] like when we talked about the 38.2 two
[01:06:45] trillion. I mean, think about how much
[01:06:46] of that was Iraq, Afghanistan, all of
[01:06:48] that.
[01:06:48] >> Yes.
[01:06:49] >> And we don't have anything to show for
[01:06:51] it really. I mean, Iraq is now a uh
[01:06:54] basically a satellite state of Iran. You
[01:06:56] know, there was a deterrent to one of
[01:06:58] America's enemies and now it's just a
[01:07:00] puppet state. And
[01:07:01] >> uh you have Afghanistan, which
[01:07:04] >> you know, understand attacking al-Qaeda.
[01:07:06] You know, they they attacked us. Sure.
[01:07:08] >> But the idea that you want to turn a
[01:07:11] stone age society to a progressive
[01:07:13] liberal democracy is one of the
[01:07:14] stupidest things I've ever heard.
[01:07:16] >> Ever. Yeah.
[01:07:17] >> And so we can't rationalize why we ever
[01:07:20] why that ever happened? And even even
[01:07:22] people in your generation, they're like,
[01:07:23] "What were we thinking? Why did we do
[01:07:25] that?" Like I've spoken to so many
[01:07:26] people who are conservative and they're
[01:07:29] like, "I don't understand why we ever
[01:07:30] did that." And
[01:07:33] uh yeah, the war is just not not
[01:07:35] something we like. I don't think anyone
[01:07:37] likes it. And the real tragedy of war
[01:07:39] was not the debt. It's actually just the
[01:07:41] innocent American lives that were lost.
[01:07:43] Yes.
[01:07:44] >> That's the real tragedy. I agree. And
[01:07:45] all the other stuff is secondary.
[01:07:47] >> But it still has lasting effects on us.
[01:07:51] >> So when you hear people agitating for
[01:07:53] like another regime change war in
[01:07:55] whatever country, what do you think?
[01:07:57] >> I'm angry and I'm frustrated. as someone
[01:08:00] who's the son of, you know, my dad's in
[01:08:03] the military. Yes.
[01:08:04] >> That makes me angry because I don't want
[01:08:05] him to go and fight in a war, that will
[01:08:08] just be another waste of money and a
[01:08:10] failure.
[01:08:11] >> Um, so there's a personal element to it,
[01:08:13] but also it's just stupid. You know, how
[01:08:16] many times are we going to do this
[01:08:17] before we learn it doesn't work, right?
[01:08:19] So, there's so many elements to it.
[01:08:21] Personal, financial, makes no sense. And
[01:08:23] it's just logistically
[01:08:25] absolutely stupid.
[01:08:27] >> It is stupid. And it makes me angry that
[01:08:29] people were even advocating for
[01:08:30] something like that. And uh I don't
[01:08:32] think they're advocating it just to
[01:08:33] advocate for it. I think there's
[01:08:34] interest groups that are pushing them to
[01:08:36] advocate for that.
[01:08:38] >> Clearly there are. We've learned a lot
[01:08:39] about that recently. Um so that's one of
[01:08:42] the topics that nobody ever including me
[01:08:44] and zero desire to talk about it. The
[01:08:46] Israel question.
[01:08:47] >> Um and most famous for Yeah. And there's
[01:08:51] no upside in that. And and I just
[01:08:53] >> the question no one wants to ask. I
[01:08:55] never felt it was as central as it
[01:08:57] turned out to be. I guess that's I just
[01:08:59] didn't understand it very well. But um
[01:09:01] >> but Fuentes is famous for, you know,
[01:09:03] saying naughty things, but also saying
[01:09:05] like, you know, pretty pretty
[01:09:06] straightforward critique of the control
[01:09:08] that Israel has over the United States.
[01:09:10] >> Is that view widely shared, do you
[01:09:12] think?
[01:09:13] >> Uh well, I don't know too much. I mean,
[01:09:15] I've
[01:09:15] >> Let's take Fuentes out of it. Yeah. I
[01:09:17] keep reading that young people's views
[01:09:19] of Israel are increasingly skeptical, if
[01:09:22] not hostile. Do you think that's true?
[01:09:23] >> Absolutely. Yeah. And I don't think it's
[01:09:26] anything we've done. I think it's all
[01:09:28] reliant on Israel.
[01:09:32] That's on them actually, not on us.
[01:09:35] >> And the reality is they're just another
[01:09:37] country. I've never bought into like
[01:09:39] their super evil, you know, like all
[01:09:41] they're just another country. Who cares,
[01:09:43] right?
[01:09:43] >> And if they want a better relationship
[01:09:46] with the United States, they need to
[01:09:47] stop interfering in our politics. It's
[01:09:48] really simple.
[01:09:49] >> Yes.
[01:09:49] >> And it's not just Israel. I mean, we
[01:09:51] need to ban foreign aid. We need to stop
[01:09:54] sinning. We should not have a single
[01:09:56] dime going to another country when we
[01:09:58] have people in poverty with bad schools,
[01:10:01] medical debt, all that stuff. It makes
[01:10:02] no sense. That's part of America first.
[01:10:04] We also should ban foreign lobbying.
[01:10:06] It's irresponsible. Why would we have
[01:10:08] the interest of another country put as
[01:10:11] policy for our country?
[01:10:12] >> Yes.
[01:10:13] >> It's our leaders should be making
[01:10:15] decisions on the interest of American
[01:10:16] people, not someone in Burundi or
[01:10:18] something. Who cares?
[01:10:19] >> Exactly. So those are two things that I
[01:10:22] think if we cut out the aid, cut out the
[01:10:25] lobbying, I think it'll stop a lot of
[01:10:27] influence, not just from Israel, but
[01:10:28] from every country.
[01:10:29] >> Exactly.
[01:10:30] >> Because it's not just Israel, it is a
[01:10:32] lot of other countries that do that. And
[01:10:33] it's just as much a problem.
[01:10:36] >> And just as egregious a violation of the
[01:10:39] most basic principle of government,
[01:10:41] which is serve your people first.
[01:10:42] >> Absolutely. Y
[01:10:44] >> um do you feel people are less afraid to
[01:10:46] say that now?
[01:10:47] >> Oh yeah, for sure. Um, and I just
[01:10:50] remember like growing up when I was in
[01:10:53] that 2016 era of conservative politics,
[01:10:58] Israel was untouchable. Like you could
[01:11:00] not say anything about it.
[01:11:01] >> No, I remember.
[01:11:02] >> And in some ways it's like still kind of
[01:11:04] that way. But it's like
[01:11:06] >> it's it's just weird. It's weird the
[01:11:09] obsession, you know, whether I'm not one
[01:11:11] to like the obsession whether it's good
[01:11:14] or bad. It's just weird that people are
[01:11:15] obsessed with it the way it is. And I
[01:11:18] just don't agree with either one.
[01:11:20] >> I agree.
[01:11:20] >> You know,
[01:11:21] >> I completely agree.
[01:11:21] >> Waste of time for the country. Yeah, it
[01:11:23] really is.
[01:11:24] >> Wake up thinking about Israel every day.
[01:11:26] It's not good in either direction,
[01:11:28] >> right?
[01:11:28] >> Yeah.
[01:11:29] >> Let's focus on America. How about that?
[01:11:32] >> Amen. So, how what um are your views on
[01:11:35] immigration and what views do you think
[01:11:39] best describe the people you know?
[01:11:43] So
[01:11:45] 2016, Trump brought a spotlight on
[01:11:47] illegal immigration and that was really
[01:11:49] desperately needed because we had seen
[01:11:52] it but no one really said the obvious.
[01:11:54] Now we need to do the same with legal
[01:11:56] immigration. We need to state the
[01:11:58] obvious. Massigration is a problem.
[01:12:00] >> Yes. And it's funny when I've started
[01:12:04] speaking out against that, the amount of
[01:12:06] legal immigrants in this country, the
[01:12:09] amount of children of immigrants in this
[01:12:10] country who have come up to me and say,
[01:12:12] "Thank you for speaking about that is
[01:12:15] shocking in some ways, but it's also not
[01:12:17] shocking because
[01:12:18] >> it's directly impacting them." Of
[01:12:20] course.
[01:12:21] >> How ironic is it that someone leaves
[01:12:24] their country in search of the American
[01:12:27] dream to give their kids a better life
[01:12:30] only for their kids to grow up and have
[01:12:32] the job that they want being sent back
[01:12:34] to the country that they came from?
[01:12:35] [laughter] Like, how are that's
[01:12:36] ridiculous.
[01:12:37] >> No.
[01:12:38] >> And it's it's
[01:12:38] >> so perfect though in a way. Yes.
[01:12:41] >> Yeah. It's I mean, you can't make that
[01:12:43] up. And and I I do see like a lot of um
[01:12:49] there are some on the other hand who are
[01:12:52] legal immigrants, who are children of
[01:12:53] immigrants who were saying that's
[01:12:55] hypocritical of me, you know, no one
[01:12:57] should well because of uh my
[01:12:59] grandparents who immigrated here
[01:13:01] >> which is back in 1969. And my my
[01:13:04] response is always like it's not 1969.
[01:13:06] We have a very different country. We
[01:13:07] have a very different set of
[01:13:08] circumstances. Then therefore it's then
[01:13:10] rational. So your grandparents did
[01:13:12] something 56 years ago.
[01:13:14] >> Now I have to do the same thing and
[01:13:15] believe the same thing they did, which I
[01:13:16] know damn well they don't because if
[01:13:17] they did, they wouldn't have the
[01:13:18] progressive views that they have because
[01:13:20] no grandparents had that progressive
[01:13:21] views.
[01:13:21] >> Yeah.
[01:13:22] >> But they want to put it on me because
[01:13:23] they're mad that someone with my
[01:13:25] identity has the views that I have and
[01:13:27] they want they want to
[01:13:28] >> Oh, because you're part Indian or
[01:13:30] something.
[01:13:30] >> Yeah. They think that I owe them my
[01:13:32] loyalty
[01:13:34] because of some decision my grandparents
[01:13:36] made, which is stupid because all I've
[01:13:38] known is America. All I know is American
[01:13:40] culture. I love the South. I love
[01:13:42] Southern culture. I only speak English.
[01:13:44] I'm a Christian. Why would why would I
[01:13:47] why would I care about anything else?
[01:13:49] >> Exactly.
[01:13:50] >> And so you have the legal immigrants and
[01:13:53] the children of immigrants who are upset
[01:13:55] at me and who've called me racist, all
[01:13:58] sorts of things. And it's racist.
[01:14:00] >> Yeah. Racist for for saying u we don't
[01:14:02] need more people here. But it's
[01:14:04] ridiculous. But the reality is that when
[01:14:08] those people who are calling me racist
[01:14:10] lose their job, they need to remember
[01:14:13] that it was the people that they called
[01:14:15] racist that were actually trying to save
[01:14:16] their job from being taken by a
[01:14:18] foreigner.
[01:14:18] >> Yes. Exactly.
[01:14:20] >> And so I I eventually they may
[01:14:23] understand that, but it's
[01:14:26] it's shocking really how we're allowing
[01:14:28] this to happen.
[01:14:30] >> How widespread is that view, do you
[01:14:32] think, among people, you know?
[01:14:35] I would say it's um it's actually I
[01:14:38] would say kind of split. I don't think
[01:14:40] it's as noticeable as like the economic
[01:14:42] issues where everyone seems to see it
[01:14:45] because they feel it. But there you know
[01:14:47] we have a big country, right? There are
[01:14:48] some parts of America where you don't
[01:14:50] see too much migration. Like what is
[01:14:51] everyone talking about? There's no
[01:14:53] migration. But
[01:14:54] >> that's that's just not the case. And and
[01:14:58] really I think it's irresponsible to
[01:15:00] have legal immigration at a time when
[01:15:02] companies aren't hiring Americans
[01:15:04] specifically.
[01:15:06] Uh we're we're in a fragile economy and
[01:15:10] you have AI taking over a lot of jobs.
[01:15:12] So why would it make sense to import
[01:15:13] more foreign workers? It doesn't. And
[01:15:16] that's just one aspect of it is the
[01:15:18] economic issue. The cultural and
[01:15:20] assimilation issue is a whole another
[01:15:22] aspect.
[01:15:23] And I think it was so immigrations
[01:15:26] historically have
[01:15:29] basically been expected to assimilate.
[01:15:31] And then around the Obama years was when
[01:15:33] you started to see a shift of like, no,
[01:15:35] you don't need to change. You can be who
[01:15:37] you are. No, you need to assimilate. You
[01:15:39] have to. Cuz without it, we lose our
[01:15:42] identity as a country. Why would we have
[01:15:45] people in here who don't see themselves
[01:15:46] as one of us,
[01:15:47] >> right?
[01:15:48] >> And you have that's how you end up with
[01:15:50] places like Minneapolis with Little
[01:15:52] Somalia. These people isolate themselves
[01:15:53] and don't integrate. You have parts of
[01:15:56] Miami where people literally don't speak
[01:15:58] English at all, which is insane because
[01:16:01] if I was to move to another country
[01:16:04] and I was thinking, where could I go to
[01:16:05] get a better opportunity?
[01:16:08] Oh, I know. Somewhere where I don't
[01:16:09] speak the freaking language. [laughter]
[01:16:12] Genius, right? But it's it's just
[01:16:15] unbelievable. And there's so many
[01:16:16] different aspects to immigration that
[01:16:18] it's not just the migration part of it,
[01:16:21] but a lot of other things that are just
[01:16:23] out of control.
[01:16:23] >> Like what?
[01:16:24] >> So
[01:16:26] naturalized citizens should not be able
[01:16:28] to hold public office. Growing up here
[01:16:30] is a big part of understanding the
[01:16:32] country. We need to stop and limit the
[01:16:35] amount of foreign students that are
[01:16:36] coming into our universities. Some of
[01:16:38] them are spies, by the way, for foreign
[01:16:40] governments. But it's also just we
[01:16:42] should put our kids first.
[01:16:43] >> Yes. And
[01:16:46] we should also not allow dual
[01:16:48] citizenship because that's the stupidest
[01:16:50] idea. You're either American or you're
[01:16:52] not. And everyone wants to make it so
[01:16:55] complicated. That's the thing that I
[01:16:56] don't like about the past generation is
[01:16:57] they're always about the rules, the
[01:16:59] process, and regulation. No, it's really
[01:17:01] simple. You're just America first.
[01:17:03] People should have their loyalty to
[01:17:05] America first. And if they can't do
[01:17:07] that, then this ain't the country for
[01:17:08] you.
[01:17:09] >> That's totally right. What about serving
[01:17:10] in a foreign military?
[01:17:11] >> Oh gosh, no. Forget about it. You can't
[01:17:13] do that.
[01:17:14] >> Of course not, right?
[01:17:15] >> It's ridiculous. The that that idea
[01:17:18] alone is just insane.
[01:17:21] >> Yeah.
[01:17:21] >> Dual citizenship is already bad enough,
[01:17:23] but to serve in another country's
[01:17:25] military
[01:17:27] is disqualifying, really.
[01:17:30] >> Of course. I mean, it's hard to believe
[01:17:32] it's even a conversation. What about
[01:17:33] language? Do you worry that,
[01:17:36] >> you know, countries are united by their
[01:17:38] language, and language is inseparable
[01:17:39] from culture? language is culture in a
[01:17:41] lot of ways, but this doesn't seem like
[01:17:43] an English-sp speakaking country
[01:17:44] anymore.
[01:17:46] >> Yeah. Especially when you go to places
[01:17:47] like Minneapolis, [clears throat]
[01:17:48] Miami, New York, uh which I lived there
[01:17:51] for a little bit. And yeah, I want to be
[01:17:55] able to understand everybody. I just do.
[01:17:56] It's my country. I don't think I should
[01:17:59] have to speak another language in my own
[01:18:01] country. I don't think anyone wants
[01:18:02] that. I don't think it's good for us.
[01:18:04] >> Not saying that you can't know another
[01:18:06] language. I think that's great to know
[01:18:08] another language.
[01:18:09] >> But to have anything other than English
[01:18:12] as a primary language in this country,
[01:18:16] not acceptable.
[01:18:18] >> You're not describing the priorities of
[01:18:20] the modern Republican party at all here.
[01:18:22] >> No, but hopefully one day it will be.
[01:18:25] That's what I hope will happen. So my
[01:18:28] sense, but you would know is that what
[01:18:30] everything you just said for the past
[01:18:32] half an hour is like basically what most
[01:18:36] young men your age think who are
[01:18:38] conservative.
[01:18:39] >> Who are conservative? Absolutely. Yes.
[01:18:41] >> Who are conservative.
[01:18:43] >> So do they look at the Republican party
[01:18:44] as representing them?
[01:18:45] >> No, not at all. And that's the struggle
[01:18:47] that we face. And that's why that's
[01:18:48] where the anger comes from is that we're
[01:18:51] looking at our politicians and we don't
[01:18:53] see
[01:18:55] any of us. Right. When you have a
[01:18:58] politician, you want them to kind of be
[01:18:59] a reflection of you in a lot of ways.
[01:19:01] >> Yes.
[01:19:02] >> And we don't have that at all.
[01:19:04] >> And
[01:19:05] you have Democrats who have kind of
[01:19:07] listened to young people on their side.
[01:19:10] >> So when they're not listening to us on
[01:19:11] the Republican side, yeah, it's pretty
[01:19:13] frustrating. You have Democrats who have
[01:19:15] the first Gen Z member of Congress. They
[01:19:17] have the AOC, they have the Immi, they
[01:19:19] have
[01:19:20] >> all these young youthful figures who are
[01:19:23] doing pretty well making media, you
[01:19:25] know, advocating for their causes. But
[01:19:26] who do we have? You know, it's it's
[01:19:28] frustrating that we can't look to
[01:19:29] someone and say, "That's our guy. He
[01:19:31] speaks for us."
[01:19:34] What is that? I couldn't agree more.
[01:19:36] >> They must just be anti- young people. I
[01:19:37] don't know. or they just don't want to
[01:19:39] face the problems that we're putting
[01:19:41] forth, which is the issues on the
[01:19:43] economy, the issues on immigration,
[01:19:45] because they'd rather just call us
[01:19:46] radical. It's a lot easier.
[01:19:49] >> I wonder if that makes people radical
[01:19:51] over time.
[01:19:52] >> Oh, for sure. For sure it makes people
[01:19:54] radical because they get so angry. Yeah.
[01:19:57] >> And when people are angry and they feel
[01:20:00] like they have no one speaking for them,
[01:20:01] then yeah, of course they're going to
[01:20:03] get angry because we deserve
[01:20:05] representation. That's the whole point
[01:20:07] of right
[01:20:07] >> this democracy, our system, is that you
[01:20:10] should be able to have someone who
[01:20:11] represents you. And we don't have that.
[01:20:13] And not just don't have that. It'd be
[01:20:15] one thing if we didn't have someone who
[01:20:16] we felt we could relate to. That's fine.
[01:20:17] That's normal. You can't relate to
[01:20:19] everybody. Yeah.
[01:20:19] >> But someone who's actively ignoring the
[01:20:21] problems that we're saying these are
[01:20:23] massive problems.
[01:20:25] Yeah. It's frustrating.
[01:20:28] >> What's going on with the way that men
[01:20:30] and women get along?
[01:20:32] >> That's a very interesting question.
[01:20:34] That's something I've said for years is
[01:20:36] that and literally years I've been
[01:20:38] saying the future of division in this
[01:20:39] country is not all these other things
[01:20:42] like race or income. I mean some there
[01:20:45] those may be some issues but the massive
[01:20:48] division in this country in the future
[01:20:50] is going to be between gender men and
[01:20:51] women.
[01:20:53] That's especially problematic
[01:20:57] because in order for a society to
[01:20:58] function men need women need men.
[01:21:01] >> Amen. So the fact that that's the
[01:21:04] upcoming divide is very scary. And
[01:21:07] >> do you feel that divide?
[01:21:11] >> I would say uh I in some ways I think
[01:21:14] it's a little exaggerated. There are
[01:21:16] women who are traditional, but
[01:21:19] for the most part, men are more
[01:21:20] traditional in my generation. And
[01:21:23] I think uh they're going in different
[01:21:25] directions, but they're going in
[01:21:26] different directions for a lot of the
[01:21:28] same reasons, which is empowerment.
[01:21:31] women see themselves as going the more
[01:21:34] progressive lane that it's empowering to
[01:21:37] wear revealing clothes or you know do
[01:21:39] whatever you want and be promiscuous and
[01:21:42] >> which is actually the male gaze of
[01:21:44] someone who just wants to view them as
[01:21:46] an object and not care about who they
[01:21:47] are as a person which is how is that
[01:21:49] empowering
[01:21:50] >> I don't think a body count of 20 is that
[01:21:51] empowering exactly I'm just guessing
[01:21:53] >> it's it's ridiculous that that's seen as
[01:21:55] feminist though
[01:21:57] >> but the reason why I think that is
[01:21:58] because on the other hand you have men
[01:22:00] and this is Not a majority of
[01:22:01] traditional men, but there's a very
[01:22:03] small minority where they feel insecure
[01:22:06] and powerless. They think that them
[01:22:09] having a traditional mindset where
[01:22:10] they're the leader,
[01:22:12] >> y
[01:22:12] >> they're the provider, they're the
[01:22:13] protector, and they think
[01:22:15] >> because of that, my role is better than
[01:22:18] that of a woman.
[01:22:18] >> Right?
[01:22:19] >> What that does, that's wrong first of
[01:22:22] all, but what that does is that it gives
[01:22:24] ammo to the feminists who are like,
[01:22:25] "Look, see, see women what we've been
[01:22:27] trying to tell you that they think
[01:22:28] they're better than you. you have to go
[01:22:30] our way. When in reality, it's that's
[01:22:33] not what tradition is at all. It's
[01:22:36] >> yes, men are the leader, provider,
[01:22:40] protector, all of that.
[01:22:42] >> But without the woman, it just doesn't
[01:22:45] work. The family structure.
[01:22:46] >> Well, you said it at the outset. Men and
[01:22:47] women need each other. That's just the
[01:22:48] bottom. That's the biological fact. It's
[01:22:50] the emotional reality. It's the
[01:22:51] spiritual reality.
[01:22:52] >> It doesn't work for a man for a man in a
[01:22:54] family to not have a woman. Doesn't work
[01:22:55] for a woman to not have a man. And
[01:22:58] >> it's actually
[01:23:00] In a way, it's the whole point is that
[01:23:01] it brings their best characteristics
[01:23:04] together to build something amazing.
[01:23:06] They complement each other with their
[01:23:08] traits. They rely on each other. And
[01:23:11] what the result of that is is just a
[01:23:14] beautiful family. It works. It studies
[01:23:16] have shown. How do you know all this?
[01:23:18] Well, because studies have shown
[01:23:19] actually that people in these
[01:23:21] traditional marriages where they pray
[01:23:23] together,
[01:23:25] they have less divorce. They're more
[01:23:27] happy.
[01:23:29] On the opposite, you have women who are
[01:23:30] going the progressive route. They're
[01:23:32] miserable. And studies have shown that
[01:23:33] as well, where they just they're
[01:23:35] struggling and they only realize that
[01:23:36] later in life, struggling to find a
[01:23:38] person, find a man, to have children,
[01:23:41] and they become miserable. So, it works.
[01:23:44] But the the beauty of it is that
[01:23:47] it's not it's not the view that a man is
[01:23:51] better than a woman. It's that they have
[01:23:53] different traits.
[01:23:55] >> They combine them to make something
[01:23:56] beautiful. It's partnership.
[01:23:59] And I think if that was explained to
[01:24:01] more progressive women and on the left
[01:24:03] and they would see it's not about being
[01:24:06] men being better at all. It's
[01:24:08] >> dominating you or humiliating you. No,
[01:24:10] it's about helping each other.
[01:24:11] >> Exactly.
[01:24:13] >> Right. God created Eve as a helper. They
[01:24:15] help each other.
[01:24:16] >> Right.
[01:24:16] >> Then that is a fair description in my
[01:24:18] opinion.
[01:24:20] >> So like how hard is it to date at 24
[01:24:24] >> for young men? Not you, but
[01:24:26] >> uh I mean young men it's not hard, but
[01:24:28] if you're a Christian, yeah, it's very
[01:24:29] hard. It's
[01:24:31] >> why?
[01:24:32] >> Well, because it's hard to find someone
[01:24:33] who prioritizes that in their life. And
[01:24:35] I'm not saying that's specific to our
[01:24:36] generation. That's every generation.
[01:24:37] Hasn't really been that easy.
[01:24:39] >> Yeah.
[01:24:39] >> Um
[01:24:41] but that's just something that is very
[01:24:44] difficult and it's unfortunate because
[01:24:48] that's what makes the most successful
[01:24:49] relationships. That's what, you know,
[01:24:51] makes happier children, more successful
[01:24:54] children. And it's it's a really
[01:24:56] beautiful thing and the fact that people
[01:24:57] are rejecting that is very very sad.
[01:25:00] >> It is really sad.
[01:25:01] >> Yeah.
[01:25:03] >> The I also get the sense that there's a
[01:25:05] increase in religious faith among young
[01:25:08] men.
[01:25:08] >> 100%.
[01:25:10] Yeah. Which is I mean that came out of
[01:25:12] nowhere really like no one expected that
[01:25:14] and you know good right like God willing
[01:25:20] that'll spread everywhere and we'll be
[01:25:21] like that everywhere. When did you first
[01:25:23] notice that?
[01:25:25] I
[01:25:25] >> mean, you grew up in the south. You grew
[01:25:26] up in a nominally Christian culture
[01:25:28] because it's the South, right?
[01:25:29] >> Right.
[01:25:30] >> But but people but people talking to
[01:25:32] each other, young people about God,
[01:25:34] mentioning God. When did that happen?
[01:25:36] >> So, there's always been like cultural
[01:25:38] Christianity, right? But there's a
[01:25:40] difference between what we're seeing
[01:25:41] now, which is actual lived faith
[01:25:44] >> in Christ,
[01:25:45] >> and we're seeing that in church
[01:25:47] attendance is going up among young men.
[01:25:50] Um
[01:25:51] really I don't know what brought it
[01:25:53] about. The only thing I could attribute
[01:25:54] it to is probably the Holy Spirit.
[01:25:56] >> Yep.
[01:25:56] >> And I don't know why it's happening now,
[01:25:59] but I hope it grows and I hope it
[01:26:02] continues to flourish because it's
[01:26:03] something our society desperately
[01:26:05] desperately needs.
[01:26:06] >> What was your path?
[01:26:09] >> This is u so I grew up with um kind of
[01:26:14] two religions in my household. So I had
[01:26:16] my parents who were Protestant and my
[01:26:19] grandparents have always lived with me
[01:26:20] growing up. My mom's parents. Yes. And
[01:26:22] they were Sik. As a result, I was very
[01:26:25] confused.
[01:26:25] >> Yeah.
[01:26:26] >> Because that's what happens. Um
[01:26:29] >> and I just remember that
[01:26:32] as young as like third grade when my
[01:26:35] friends would check out their books on
[01:26:37] dinosaurs and cars and all that stuff. I
[01:26:39] was reading on every single world
[01:26:41] religion and trying to absorb as much as
[01:26:43] I can because I wanted to know if God
[01:26:45] exists and if he does who is he right so
[01:26:50] that's what I spent doing for years and
[01:26:53] I would say
[01:26:54] >> reading about world religions instead of
[01:26:56] dinosaurs
[01:26:56] >> yes I was obsessed with it
[01:26:58] [clears throat] unusual child
[01:26:59] >> I was yeah [laughter]
[01:27:01] >> yeah to put it that way um but and then
[01:27:05] I would say like
[01:27:07] around like seventh grade. So like this
[01:27:10] is a few years of just researching this
[01:27:13] stuff obsessively.
[01:27:15] I and I was reluctant to speak about
[01:27:19] this publicly but I figured if it
[01:27:21] blesses just one person then I'll say it
[01:27:24] here. Um,
[01:27:27] I had an experience where I was
[01:27:29] researching
[01:27:31] and it was as if in an instant
[01:27:34] I heard I am the way, the truth and the
[01:27:37] life
[01:27:39] and as if the knowledge, the truth of
[01:27:45] God was placed instantly after that was
[01:27:49] said in my mind and in my heart. And
[01:27:51] it's funny, after all these years, I've
[01:27:54] struggled to really put into words that
[01:27:56] experience and that feeling.
[01:27:59] But once that happened,
[01:28:02] I had always heard about the Holy
[01:28:03] Spirit, right? Everyone hears about it.
[01:28:04] But when when that happened, I was like,
[01:28:07] "Oh, that's what that is, right?" Like,
[01:28:09] cuz it was just some mythical thing,
[01:28:12] >> of course,
[01:28:12] >> that I had read about. But then it
[01:28:14] happened and I was just like, "This is
[01:28:16] really interesting." But and it'd be one
[01:28:18] thing to just write off as, "Oh, that's
[01:28:19] just some weird thing, weird experience,
[01:28:22] but it never left me."
[01:28:25] And the most interesting part and the
[01:28:28] part that I kind of like the most is it
[01:28:30] was none of my research on these world
[01:28:32] religions that got me to that answer.
[01:28:35] Not at all. It was in an in I was very
[01:28:37] much a skeptic of Christianity prior to
[01:28:39] that. the second before that happened.
[01:28:41] It was an instant realization
[01:28:45] that was not of any of my own work.
[01:28:48] And what made it so beautiful is that
[01:28:49] not long after that, I was reading the
[01:28:51] gospel and I found where Jesus said to
[01:28:53] Peter, then Simon, blessed are you,
[01:28:56] Simon,
[01:28:57] uh, for flesh and blood did not reveal
[01:29:00] this to you, but my father in heaven. I
[01:29:02] was like, that's what that was. And then
[01:29:05] I also read where he said, "Knock and
[01:29:08] the door will be open to you. Seek and
[01:29:10] you'll find."
[01:29:12] And it's just a beautiful thing when you
[01:29:15] realize that
[01:29:18] God is true to his word every single
[01:29:22] time.
[01:29:24] And it has never left me.
[01:29:27] >> Amazing.
[01:29:28] >> Yeah.
[01:29:29] >> You became Catholic.
[01:29:31] >> Yeah. That's another thing. [laughter]
[01:29:34] So
[01:29:34] >> there's another layer to it. There's
[01:29:36] wait there's more. Yeah. Um
[01:29:40] >> so when I was I was Protestant and when
[01:29:43] I was Protestant
[01:29:46] uh
[01:29:48] obviously God is all you need but I did
[01:29:50] feel some unexplained void in my faith.
[01:29:53] I didn't know what it was at the time.
[01:29:57] And
[01:29:58] I went to Villanova, which is a Catholic
[01:30:01] institution. And it's so ironic because
[01:30:06] my first time ever going to a Catholic
[01:30:08] mass was the summer after I graduated
[01:30:12] from Villanova. So never went to mass
[01:30:14] when I was at Villain. I've never been
[01:30:15] to mass before, but it was after I
[01:30:18] graduated from Villanova that I went to
[01:30:19] mass for the first time. It's
[01:30:21] >> God doesn't write in straight lines, I
[01:30:23] guess, but no. Um, and I began to really
[01:30:27] think about my own faith. And I was
[01:30:29] like, I have this void that I can't
[01:30:30] explain. How can I be
[01:30:34] the best Christian I could be? How could
[01:30:36] I best serve God and serve others? That
[01:30:39] was the question that made me think
[01:30:40] about it. And I'm again, I began to
[01:30:43] research, but really it wasn't about the
[01:30:45] research. It was that question like,
[01:30:47] where can I be at my best? Where can I
[01:30:49] serve God and serve others? And when I
[01:30:52] did study Catholicism and I read the
[01:30:54] early church fathers and the history and
[01:30:58] um all that stuff, I felt, you know
[01:31:00] what, this may be for me. And then when
[01:31:04] I started to partake in the sacraments,
[01:31:06] the Eucharist, confession, that's when I
[01:31:09] was like, oh, that's that void. That's
[01:31:12] when I felt like, okay, I feel fulfilled
[01:31:14] now. And now it's to the point where
[01:31:16] like if I can't go to mass on Sunday, I
[01:31:19] feel empty. if I don't go to confession,
[01:31:22] I feel like heavy weight on my
[01:31:24] shoulders.
[01:31:24] >> Yes.
[01:31:25] >> And that's where I was like, this feels
[01:31:27] like not just speaking about faith, not
[01:31:30] just having it, but living it. Not just
[01:31:33] a feeling, but action.
[01:31:35] And that's when when that happened, I
[01:31:37] was like, this is home.
[01:31:40] >> And has it proven to be what you
[01:31:42] thought?
[01:31:42] >> Absolutely. More than that. It's the
[01:31:44] best decision I've ever made in my life.
[01:31:45] Second to becoming Christian in the
[01:31:47] first place. Although that wasn't really
[01:31:48] a decision, but kind of happened to me.
[01:31:51] But yeah,
[01:31:52] >> I I feel like this is which is not to
[01:31:54] detract from your individual experience,
[01:31:55] but it does seem like part of a a trend.
[01:31:57] I feel like this is not the first time
[01:31:59] I've heard the story recently.
[01:32:00] >> Yeah. And I think when you speak about
[01:32:02] men becoming more religious, um it's
[01:32:06] more the traditional churches, right?
[01:32:08] Catholicism, orthodoxy. And I think it's
[01:32:10] because in our society, we're so fed up
[01:32:12] with modernity and the phones and the
[01:32:15] technology. And
[01:32:16] >> yes,
[01:32:17] >> really, it's just not natural. None of
[01:32:19] it's natural. None of our ancestors had
[01:32:20] that stuff. So, we're feeling that. And
[01:32:22] we're longing for something that's
[01:32:24] lasting, something that's, you know,
[01:32:27] feels normal to us. And that's what this
[01:32:29] is. Now, I'm not saying, and there are
[01:32:31] people who do this, but I'm not saying
[01:32:33] that you should join a church just
[01:32:34] because it's based and trad. No, you
[01:32:37] should do it because you actually
[01:32:38] believe in truth and you want to live
[01:32:39] out that faith and serve others. But
[01:32:42] that is what's pulling a lot of people
[01:32:44] more towards that lane and it's a very
[01:32:47] good thing because we have too much
[01:32:48] technology. We have too much modernity
[01:32:50] and it's kind of repulsive
[01:32:52] >> to to put it mildly.
[01:32:54] >> Yeah. [laughter]
[01:32:55] >> Yeah. I'm trying not to jump all over
[01:32:57] your great story by agreeing with you
[01:32:58] too much, but I do I just want to say
[01:33:00] that. Um sorry every freaking word.
[01:33:03] >> Yeah. Um, who do you listen to? Where do
[01:33:06] you get your information?
[01:33:08] >> So, just like everyone in my generation,
[01:33:11] uh, it's social media.
[01:33:12] >> Y,
[01:33:12] >> which is not ideal. I don't want to get
[01:33:14] it from there, but it's also like what
[01:33:15] am I going to do? Like read the
[01:33:17] newspaper, go on some article, like I
[01:33:19] don't want to do that either.
[01:33:20] >> No.
[01:33:21] >> So, um, it's difficult to find
[01:33:24] somewhere. If I am super interested in
[01:33:26] one specific news article or topic,
[01:33:30] then I will like search various sources,
[01:33:32] try and see what's happening and all
[01:33:34] that, but for me and for most of my
[01:33:36] generation, it's social media.
[01:33:38] >> Are there any political figures that you
[01:33:40] like or identify with or think are
[01:33:43] telling part of the truth or
[01:33:45] >> uh I appreciate you.
[01:33:47] >> Well, I'm [laughter] not a political
[01:33:48] figure.
[01:33:49] >> I'm not a political figure. Well, I mean
[01:33:50] I again I don't feel represented by
[01:33:52] anybody. Yep.
[01:33:53] >> And in terms of political commentators,
[01:33:54] I don't watch them either, you know,
[01:33:56] like it's
[01:33:56] >> I don't either.
[01:33:57] >> It's not my idea of a good time is to
[01:33:59] watch political commentators. [laughter]
[01:34:02] >> Any politicians? No, really. That's
[01:34:04] funny that you feel that way.
[01:34:05] >> Um,
[01:34:07] you know, I think JD says a lot of good
[01:34:09] stuff.
[01:34:10] >> Yep.
[01:34:11] But I I think there's also just a lot of
[01:34:13] unknowns. And I think once this primary
[01:34:15] comes up that we'll learn more and
[01:34:17] that's where the primaries, it teaches
[01:34:19] you about them, who they are, what they
[01:34:21] really believe.
[01:34:22] >> And that's the real campaign.
[01:34:24] >> Exactly. And so when that happens, I
[01:34:26] think we'll learn a lot more and we'll
[01:34:27] be able to make better decisions. But my
[01:34:29] hope is that we'll see someone who
[01:34:32] resonates with my generation.
[01:34:34] >> And what's your plan? Would you get into
[01:34:36] politics?
[01:34:39] That's like my mom's worst nightmare for
[01:34:41] me to [laughter] do that. Not cuz she's
[01:34:43] not supportive, but just like it's like,
[01:34:45] you know, she's seen how toxic and
[01:34:47] exhausting it is. So, it's like
[01:34:48] >> it's a rough
[01:34:49] >> Yeah. life. It's Yeah, it really is. And
[01:34:51] so,
[01:34:52] >> um No, what I what I would rather have
[01:34:55] is is people um do their job,
[01:34:58] >> right?
[01:34:58] >> Not wait for problems to come to them,
[01:35:01] but really get on top of them, you know,
[01:35:03] not be so reactionary. I would rather
[01:35:05] that. Um, but if no one does that, then
[01:35:08] I don't know, maybe um, no one speaks
[01:35:11] up, no one's saying the things they need
[01:35:13] to, then,
[01:35:15] you know, that's not something I'm
[01:35:16] thinking about right now. But someone
[01:35:18] has to do it. And so I would rather the
[01:35:20] people right now in office and our
[01:35:22] leaders, so-called leaders, do it now.
[01:35:26] But, um, yeah, someone's going to have
[01:35:28] to do it because we can't just keep
[01:35:29] ignoring these problems.
[01:35:32] >> I appreciate you taking this time.
[01:35:33] >> Thank you.
[01:35:34] >> You've given me hope. I will say that. I
[01:35:36] mean it too. So, thank you.
[01:35:38] >> Thank you. [music]
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