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[00:00:00] So, what do you think? What do we do [00:00:01] about this? I'm still a little bit blown [00:00:03] away by what Ted Cruz and and everyone [00:00:06] else had to say yesterday, but you've [00:00:08] been there a while. Did you ever expect [00:00:10] to see this? [00:00:11] >> No. So, the point I think I'd like to [00:00:14] make here is this is really not about [00:00:16] me. [00:00:17] >> It's about something much deeper here. [00:00:20] Uh, the question, let me ask you a [00:00:22] question. Do you believe that any of [00:00:24] these charges would have been brought [00:00:25] against President Trump if he had not [00:00:28] run for office in 2024? [00:00:31] >> Absolutely not. [00:00:32] >> Okay, I believe that too. So, November [00:00:34] the 15th, 2022, [00:00:37] Trump says, "I'm going to try this [00:00:38] again. Uh, I'm going to run for [00:00:41] president and the 2024 cycle." Within [00:00:44] three days of that announcement, uh, [00:00:46] Jack Smith was made special counsel. In [00:00:49] about six or seven month time period, 91 [00:00:53] felony charges are filed against [00:00:55] President Trump, who now wants to run in [00:00:59] 2024. In Fulton County, Georgia in [00:01:02] August uh in uh Florida and DC, [00:01:07] uh uh Alvin Bragg in New York, he was [00:01:10] convicted of a felony charge about [00:01:13] records that no one in the history of [00:01:15] Manhattan has ever been charged with. Uh [00:01:18] was kind of a Frankenstein charge. So, I [00:01:21] don't think it's an accident that from [00:01:23] the time he announced in November to [00:01:26] August of 23 that he was there was an [00:01:29] avalanche of legal cases against him [00:01:32] that would make it hard for him uh to be [00:01:34] successful in 24. And I think all of us [00:01:37] got caught up in that network of trying [00:01:40] to take Trump down. Well, that that you [00:01:43] and I talk a couple of times a year [00:01:45] offline on different matters like when [00:01:47] you're going to Ukraine. I'm wondering [00:01:49] whether I've been listened to by Jack [00:01:50] Smith because I don't know if you're [00:01:52] wiretapped. I know I talk to Ted Cruz a [00:01:54] couple of times a year and I assume I'm [00:01:56] in the files of the of the now wrapped [00:01:58] up special counsel investigation. I [00:02:00] think it's outrageous that members of [00:02:02] the Senate were surveiled and that [00:02:05] Charlie Kirk was surveiled. And I want [00:02:07] to get to the bottom of it so it never [00:02:09] happens again. Is there resolve in the [00:02:11] in the Republican caucus to do that? [00:02:13] >> Uh, iron will resolve because if it can [00:02:15] happen to me, it can happen to senators [00:02:17] in the future. So, I gave you my theory, [00:02:20] my my belief that this all happened [00:02:23] after Trump said he wanted to run again. [00:02:26] There's no accident. Three days of [00:02:28] announcing that Jack Smith's a special [00:02:30] counsel. There's no accident by August [00:02:32] of 2023. You got 91 felony charges. You [00:02:35] got the Fanny Willis debacle in Georgia. [00:02:37] You got Alvin Brag, the [00:02:39] places uh in the United States are going [00:02:42] after Trump. Well, what happened with me [00:02:44] and Ted and others? Uh they went after [00:02:46] my phone records based on the 2020 [00:02:50] election. I was the chairman of the [00:02:52] judiciary committee in January of 2021. [00:02:55] I have an obligation under the [00:02:57] Constitution to vote as to whether I [00:03:00] should certify the election. have an [00:03:02] obligation as the chairman of the [00:03:04] judiciary committees where I should hold [00:03:06] hearings about what happened in the 2020 [00:03:08] election. So the fact that they would [00:03:10] want to get my phone records and did get [00:03:12] my phone records to find out who I was [00:03:15] calling and where they were and where I [00:03:17] was is a gross violation of separation [00:03:20] of powers. So I have Verizon as my phone [00:03:23] carrier. Ted Cruz has AT&T. And we now [00:03:27] know the subpoena that went to AT&T for [00:03:30] Ted's phone records. You know, I'm sure [00:03:32] he's talking to you. Uh they refused to [00:03:36] comply, saying it violated the speech [00:03:38] and debate clause of the Constitution. [00:03:40] Now, Verizon did not reach that [00:03:42] conclusion. They gave my phone records [00:03:45] uh to Jack Smith 30 months after the [00:03:48] election. So, yeah, this [00:03:51] >> wild [00:03:53] and so there are a lot of people around [00:03:55] and it's not just Alvin Bragg and it's [00:03:57] not just the prosecutors in in Atlanta. [00:04:00] There are people in DC who are driving [00:04:02] him and they might be connected to the [00:04:04] Biden White House because we know that [00:04:05] some of them went to the Biden White [00:04:07] House. The only way to get there is a [00:04:09] serious focused set of hearings not [00:04:12] unlike 1973 summer thereof when Sam [00:04:16] Irvin chaired the seven person [00:04:18] committee. I know that people say well [00:04:20] we should do it through judiciary. [00:04:22] They've got the subpoena power. stand up [00:04:24] a special committee, draw in all the [00:04:26] cameras, and make the American people [00:04:28] understand. [00:04:29] >> You heard it here first. I'm on [00:04:31] judiciary committee, but I'm gonna push [00:04:32] for this. I'd like to be part of it. Uh [00:04:36] the bottom line here is what I think [00:04:38] happened is that there was coordination [00:04:40] between Jack Smith. Now, we don't know [00:04:42] that, but I believe it. I think that [00:04:44] Fanny Willis, we know that her the guy [00:04:47] that got her disqualified supposedly met [00:04:50] uh with people in the White House about [00:04:52] the investigation. We know that the [00:04:54] number three at the Department of [00:04:55] Justice left the Department of Justice [00:04:58] to go work with Alvin Brad on a [00:05:00] municipal prosecution uh in New York. [00:05:04] So, I think there [00:05:07] >> we also know Jack Smith is not the ideal [00:05:10] profile for a special counsel. There [00:05:12] have been a lot of them since 1973. He [00:05:15] is not the model that you go out and [00:05:17] get. So Merrick Garland needs to appear [00:05:20] before this committee and answer why him [00:05:22] and what did you let him do? And I don't [00:05:25] know if that you can subpoena Judge [00:05:26] Boseberg, but he signed off on these [00:05:29] things. And can you imagine that? [00:05:32] >> Well, so there's a subpoena for Ted's [00:05:34] phone records, eight of us. you know, [00:05:37] who we call, where we're at, and you [00:05:38] know, voicemails, the whole nine yards. [00:05:42] But apparently, there was an order [00:05:44] attached to Ted's subpoena, Cruz, uh, [00:05:48] basically telling AT&T, you cannot tell [00:05:51] Senator Cruz for a year about this [00:05:54] request because he is likely reasonable. [00:05:57] There's reasonable belief that he will [00:05:59] destroy evidence and tamper with the [00:06:02] witnesses. What factual basis did they [00:06:04] have for the judge to issue that order? [00:06:07] Was that part of my subpoena? That's [00:06:09] legal slander. Who the hell is this [00:06:11] judge? And why is he issuing an order [00:06:14] against a United States senator, saying [00:06:17] that they that he believes the senator [00:06:19] would destroy evidence and tamper with [00:06:22] the witnesses if you told him uh about [00:06:25] the effort to subpoena his phone [00:06:27] records, which you're required to do [00:06:29] under law. This stinks to high heaven. I [00:06:32] want to find out how did he have [00:06:35] >> I want to make a last pitch to you. You [00:06:37] got a lot of great lawyers in the [00:06:38] Senate, yourself included, but you got [00:06:40] Tom Cotton and you got Eric Schmidt, you [00:06:42] got Ted Cruz, you got John Kennedy and [00:06:44] Mike Lee and I could keep going. Make it [00:06:46] all lawyers. Hire outside counsel, get [00:06:49] independent subpoena power and make them [00:06:51] sweat because one of them will go full [00:06:54] John Dean and turn on the rest of them, [00:06:56] right? One of them will absolutely do [00:06:58] back flip. If we don't do it, we're [00:07:00] letting I think the country down. I love [00:07:03] the model you just described. I'm going [00:07:04] to push for it. Now, why? Because I [00:07:06] think this is an orchestrated effort to [00:07:08] destroy Donald Trump in the cradle uh [00:07:12] for his 2024 campaign. And there's an [00:07:15] article that came out in April 2nd, 2022 [00:07:19] talking about uh statements by Biden [00:07:22] that he was complaining about uh Garland [00:07:26] being too judged [00:07:30] going after Trump because he thought [00:07:32] Trump should be prosecuted. Biden did. [00:07:34] Well, three days later, uh they opened [00:07:37] Arctic Frost. So, [00:07:39] >> and that [00:07:40] >> three days out. [00:07:43] >> We just to paint by numbers. Now, the [00:07:45] outline is there. Senator Lindsey [00:07:46] Graham, thank you for joining me. I hope [00:07:48] it's Chairman Graham with the select [00:07:50] committee before too long. And I [00:07:51] appreciate the time today. God bless.