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[00:12:58] >> Ladies and gentlemen, it is time once
[00:13:02] again for Thought Crime Thursday. Ladies
[00:13:05] and gentlemen, welcome aboard. Welcome
[00:13:07] to Thought Crimeir
[00:13:10] where I am joined by my esteemed
[00:13:12] colleague Andrew Kovat. Andrew.
[00:13:20] Fantastic team.
[00:13:22] >> Fantastic. And and we are joined now by
[00:13:24] of course Tim Pool. I never introduced
[00:13:27] myself on show. Welcome to Timcast IRL.
[00:13:30] In fact, it's actually thought crime
[00:13:33] IRL. We have joined forces to do
[00:13:36] something uh strange and crazy. And we
[00:13:38] hit a we hit a bit of a snag on the way
[00:13:40] in. This is what happens. I think we're
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[00:13:43] it's nuts. And we were like, "Hey, let's
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[00:13:46] so we did. We do have big news. Elon
[00:13:49] Musk is going nuclear on these woke
[00:13:53] NOS's that have been smearing, lying
[00:13:56] about people and inflaming tensions.
[00:13:58] He's been tweeting, retweeting, and what
[00:14:01] did he say? He said the SPLC is guilty
[00:14:03] of incitement against Charlie,
[00:14:05] thousand%. I mean, it's provably
[00:14:07] >> incitement of mur the murder of Charlie
[00:14:09] Kirk. Guilty of incitement.
[00:14:10] >> We're going to talk about that. But we
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[00:15:45] censorship because uh we won. They
[00:15:47] unbanned our Joe Rogan, Alex Jones. So,
[00:15:50] we'll get into that. But, uh
[00:15:51] >> the last crossover that you here we are
[00:15:54] again.
[00:15:54] >> Here we are. So, uh I mean, let's get
[00:15:56] into it. This Elon Musk, you want you
[00:15:58] want to take it?
[00:15:58] >> Wait, wait, wait. There's one more
[00:15:59] person here.
[00:16:01] I'm the minority here, really out of
[00:16:03] everyone here. And you're Polish. You're
[00:16:04] in the majority. Well, actually, we're
[00:16:06] the majority right now. I mean, I was
[00:16:08] I'm I'm the I think I'm the only
[00:16:09] immigrant here. But anyway, oral
[00:16:11] lucryoutube.com.
[00:16:13] Lots to talk about. The SPLC has been
[00:16:15] attacking me since 2010. So, I'm very
[00:16:17] happy that now we are trending towards
[00:16:20] finally holding them accountable for
[00:16:22] them.
[00:16:23] >> Yeah.
[00:16:23] >> I mean, this so what what Elon Musk, by
[00:16:26] the way, this is ongoing. Um Elon Musk
[00:16:29] has basically declared war on the SPLC
[00:16:32] and he he basically so yesterday right
[00:16:37] was the ADL's day and today has become
[00:16:40] the SPLC's day and it's so preiented and
[00:16:43] Elon Musk is really driving this train.
[00:16:45] Yesterday, we saw the FBI uh sever their
[00:16:49] relationship with the ADL and a number
[00:16:51] of people, including the great uh Greek,
[00:16:56] you know, he's a demigod really,
[00:16:57] Pericles Perabasi of Chicago, who was
[00:17:01] proudly married to a woman, by the way,
[00:17:02] alpha male. and he dug up the fact that
[00:17:06] not only was the ADL going after Turning
[00:17:08] Point, but he dug up the fact, and Elon
[00:17:09] has actually just retweeted this, that
[00:17:11] on the day before Charlie Kirk was
[00:17:13] assassinated, the SPLC included him and
[00:17:16] Turning Point USA in their monthly hate
[00:17:20] watch newsletter. And he wrote, "The
[00:17:21] SPLC has blood on their hand." So that's
[00:17:23] great. Perry Aabasi, uh, I started
[00:17:26] tweeting about that. Andrew started
[00:17:27] tweeting about that. And then Andrew,
[00:17:29] you found a tweet. And this is what's so
[00:17:31] crazy because we said ADL was number one
[00:17:34] and SPLC was number two. You found a
[00:17:36] tweet from someone from a couple years
[00:17:38] ago.
[00:17:39] >> Who was that? What was that tweet?
[00:17:40] >> This was this was great. This is from
[00:17:42] Charlie and it the date was I think we
[00:17:45] have this tweet guys. I'll I'll uh
[00:17:49] I just flagged it for him just to make
[00:17:50] sure they get but it says, "Whatever it
[00:17:53] was in the past, today the ADL is a hate
[00:17:55] group that dons a religious mass to
[00:17:58] justify stoking hatred of the left's
[00:18:00] enemies." There it is right there. I
[00:18:02] believe in the First Amendment and free
[00:18:03] speech as a principle regardless of what
[00:18:05] the law says. I don't want to ban
[00:18:06] anyone's speech, but the ADL has no
[00:18:08] place extorting exit or any other social
[00:18:11] media companies. nor should it dictate
[00:18:13] to federal law enforcement agencies what
[00:18:16] hate speech is. The ADL itself is
[00:18:18] America's number one purveyor of hate
[00:18:20] speech parenthesy and the SPLC is number
[00:18:23] two. So for those that don't know, there
[00:18:25] are a network of nonprofits, foundations
[00:18:28] or organizations that do a multitude of
[00:18:30] things. The Anti-Defamation League is
[00:18:32] one, ADL, the Southern Poverty Law
[00:18:34] Center, the other. They do effectively
[00:18:37] the same thing. They smear people on the
[00:18:38] right. They accuse them of being the
[00:18:40] worst possible monsters or hateful or
[00:18:42] white supremacists.
[00:18:44] This is used to incite run-of-the-mill
[00:18:47] default libs who don't know better
[00:18:49] because what'll happen is you'll get
[00:18:51] some corporate news outlet and they'll
[00:18:52] say Jack Poic, who was called the white
[00:18:55] supremacist by the Southern Poverty Law
[00:18:56] Center, comma, says X.
[00:18:59] >> They can inject that into articles and
[00:19:01] then what happens? Wikipedia editors
[00:19:03] will cite the corporate press saying
[00:19:04] Jack Bobic is a known white supremacist
[00:19:06] and they'll link to the corporate press.
[00:19:08] It's how they launder fake news, smears
[00:19:10] and manipulations. So when Elon is
[00:19:12] saying they incited people to murder
[00:19:15] Charlie Kirk, he is correct.
[00:19:16] >> Yeah. I mean, if you look at what they
[00:19:18] are doing, it's not just smearing
[00:19:19] people. They associate people with the
[00:19:22] KKK and neo-Nazis. So when they started
[00:19:24] attacking me in 2010, they were able to
[00:19:27] get a group of all the We Are Change
[00:19:28] chapters all around the world, groups
[00:19:30] that I didn't even know existed, and
[00:19:32] they're like, "Okay, here's We Are
[00:19:33] Change. Here's the KKK, and here's where
[00:19:34] the KKK is located, and here's a we are
[00:19:36] change chapter." And I'm like, what do I
[00:19:38] have to do with the KKK or the
[00:19:40] neo-Nazis? But they lumped it in. And
[00:19:42] this is where the conversation got
[00:19:44] really violent. It started in 2010. And
[00:19:46] then they started to do a patriot hit
[00:19:48] list and they put me on there. They put
[00:19:50] Ron Paul on there. They put Alex Jones
[00:19:52] on there. And they said, "Watch out for
[00:19:53] these dangerous guys." And then they
[00:19:54] went to federal and local law
[00:19:56] enforcement and they said, "Keep a
[00:19:58] track. Keep track of these guys. Spy on
[00:20:00] these guys." In 2018, they officially
[00:20:02] partnered with YouTube. In 2019, they
[00:20:05] officially partnered with PayPal. and
[00:20:06] they censored individuals who had
[00:20:08] different opinions. All I was doing is
[00:20:11] is raising questions and asking
[00:20:12] questions about 9/11, working with
[00:20:14] family members, but that was somehow
[00:20:16] equated to being a neo-Nazi and working
[00:20:19] with the KKK.
[00:20:20] >> And and I'll give a great example of
[00:20:21] this. So, you mentioned 2010 and you
[00:20:23] know, here we are. It's 2025. In 2014,
[00:20:26] do you know who the SPLC added to their
[00:20:28] extremist hate watch list? Dr. Ben
[00:20:32] Carson.
[00:20:32] >> Yep.
[00:20:33] >> Ben Carson. in 2014. Sweetest man you've
[00:20:36] ever met.
[00:20:37] >> The sweet, you know, the, you know, I
[00:20:39] remember him, you know, at the memorial
[00:20:40] just ranting and raving, you know,
[00:20:42] spreading his his his hatred and and I
[00:20:45] mean, and and then what was it? It was
[00:20:47] because, you know, here he comes in as a
[00:20:49] Christian. He was standing in defense of
[00:20:51] traditional marriage, which of course is
[00:20:53] a core Christian belief, uh, of just
[00:20:56] very basic Christian belief about
[00:20:59] marriage, and they named him an
[00:21:00] extremist because of this. So, so to
[00:21:02] your point, and this is 100% right, they
[00:21:05] can just basically willy-nilly label
[00:21:07] anybody, right? And then you mentioned,
[00:21:08] Tim, that they launder this through. So,
[00:21:11] go ahead. And I I just today cuz I was
[00:21:13] googling it. I was like, Charlie Kirk,
[00:21:15] SPLC.
[00:21:16] >> Oh,
[00:21:18] >> wait. Are we doing Are we doing a line
[00:21:20] change already? Are we doing Are we
[00:21:21] line?
[00:21:22] >> No, I know.
[00:21:24] >> That's funny. Why is that music playing
[00:21:26] for some reason? I don't know.
[00:21:27] >> Why would they That's That's very big.
[00:21:28] >> Something must be wrong in the
[00:21:29] >> It's very big. Yeah, I don't know what's
[00:21:30] going on. It's okay. It's better than
[00:21:32] the So, I Google
[00:21:34] >> Charlie K. Our
[00:21:35] >> original producers got deported. So,
[00:21:37] >> it's true. Well, I'm going to I'm the
[00:21:39] token Hispanic on the on the
[00:21:41] >> I'm quarter Mexican. You're
[00:21:43] >> Mexican. People don't know this.
[00:21:44] >> Yeah. My grandpa said we were Spanish,
[00:21:46] though. It's a long story. Thank you.
[00:21:48] Yes,
[00:21:50] that was actually well done.
[00:21:52] >> Better job on the segment. All right.
[00:21:54] >> Wait, why why did you start wiggling
[00:21:56] when that song came on?
[00:21:57] >> I can't help it.
[00:21:58] Yeah,
[00:21:59] >> I changed their uh hate watch list to um
[00:22:02] enemies of the leftist revolution just
[00:22:04] so that you know people understood what
[00:22:05] they were actually trying to say.
[00:22:06] >> That's exactly right.
[00:22:07] >> That's exactly Yeah, exactly. So goo I
[00:22:09] just Googled this. So throw this up.
[00:22:11] Throw throw 347 up
[00:22:14] and I found this. This is literally I
[00:22:17] googled it. Charlie Kirk SPLC. This is
[00:22:19] the second article, Tim. And it's
[00:22:22] Charlie Kirk, white supremacist dead at
[00:22:25] 31. second article that you if you just
[00:22:27] Google Charlie Kirk SPLC and then of
[00:22:30] course go to 348 you look at it and it's
[00:22:33] like oh oh a cornerstone of supremacist
[00:22:36] logic and they link to the SPLC. So do
[00:22:39] you see how they do it? They they just
[00:22:41] and by the way this is seen this has
[00:22:43] been seen I guess 30,000 times about
[00:22:45] >> well back in and then what happened in
[00:22:46] May?
[00:22:47] >> Yeah. Well the in May I mean of course
[00:22:49] and actually this is uh Elon Musk gave
[00:22:51] me a retweet tonight or a quote tweet.
[00:22:53] >> Let's go. And uh
[00:22:55] >> and by the way, thank you to Elon
[00:22:56] seriously for taking the taking on this.
[00:22:59] He doesn't have to do this. And he
[00:23:01] didn't have to take on the ADL. He
[00:23:03] didn't have to buy X. He didn't have to
[00:23:04] come out here, but it was the right
[00:23:06] thing to do. And he's he's even I just
[00:23:08] got to say thank you on a personal level
[00:23:10] as well because David Saxs had tweeted a
[00:23:13] thread out earlier today saying that
[00:23:16] look, when you Google Steven Miller, the
[00:23:18] very first thing that comes up is the
[00:23:20] SPLC. If you Google Jack Pasobic, the
[00:23:22] very first thing that comes up is the
[00:23:24] SPLC. Yeah. And this like there's
[00:23:27] there's no rhyme or reason for this uh
[00:23:29] whatsoever. It's not like people are
[00:23:31] linking back to it, but it's always
[00:23:32] there. So Elon not only tweeted it out,
[00:23:35] he also put in the comments he CCD um
[00:23:38] Sundar Pachai, the CEO of Google, and is
[00:23:41] like what's going on? Well, I mean,
[00:23:43] listen, if we're if if ever there is a
[00:23:44] time to get vehemently pissed off about
[00:23:47] this stuff,
[00:23:48] >> they just murdered Charlie,
[00:23:50] >> the man who should be sitting in this
[00:23:51] chair right now,
[00:23:53] >> in this chair.
[00:23:53] >> And I you you know, I can't tell you
[00:23:56] that the assassin read the SPLC, you
[00:23:59] know, hate map article about Turning
[00:24:01] Point that was added in May. But what I
[00:24:03] can tell you is that it contributes to
[00:24:06] an ecosystem of radicalism. And and Tim,
[00:24:09] we talked about this on your show
[00:24:10] earlier this week. It is a they. It is a
[00:24:13] they, right? You can, yes, the assassin
[00:24:15] is personally responsible, but it is a
[00:24:18] they because it's part of an ecosystem
[00:24:20] of radicalization. And you're seeing it
[00:24:21] in the polling where 30% of what
[00:24:25] progressives between the age of 18 and
[00:24:27] 39 believe that violence is totally
[00:24:29] justifiable uh politically.
[00:24:31] >> Well, because it's one movement and
[00:24:33] that's the issue. Do you It's often
[00:24:35] described very interestingly, you know,
[00:24:36] what what is the left and the right and
[00:24:39] you can be a I you take a look at some
[00:24:42] of these people in the space. Joe
[00:24:44] Rogan's a great example. He's a bit of a
[00:24:45] lefty. He's the example, right? And they
[00:24:47] call him right-wing or farright because
[00:24:49] he's not in the cult. So when you see
[00:24:52] AOC on the House floor disparaging and
[00:24:54] smearing Charlie Kirk, she is proitizing
[00:24:58] her to her cult. She is giving a sermon
[00:25:00] to her fake non-theistic rel or toward
[00:25:03] this non-theistic religion. Their
[00:25:05] adherence to it.
[00:25:06] >> They when you go to their meetings,
[00:25:08] their protests,
[00:25:10] they say, "Respect the diversity of
[00:25:12] tactics." What that means is we are all
[00:25:15] part of one movement. And here's the
[00:25:17] real secret. What they're actually
[00:25:19] saying, they'll go to you and say, "No,
[00:25:20] no, look. Here's the thing. The other
[00:25:22] activists that come here and want to
[00:25:23] find out find a way to change the world
[00:25:26] may not agree with you, but we're
[00:25:27] fighting for the same cause. So, let
[00:25:29] them do it. What they're not telling
[00:25:30] you, those guys over there work for us.
[00:25:32] >> They're telling you you don't have to
[00:25:34] feel bad about the violence they commit,
[00:25:36] they're a different group. They're not.
[00:25:38] >> That's maybe you guys know this, but did
[00:25:40] the FBI cut their ties with the SPLC?
[00:25:43] Because they've been working with them
[00:25:44] for an extremely long time. And if there
[00:25:46] ever was a time and opportunity to cut
[00:25:47] ties with the SPLC, it is now. But I I
[00:25:50] want to go further because I know
[00:25:51] >> that is that is one of the action items
[00:25:52] that we're calling for. We're calling
[00:25:53] for the FBI. We're calling for Amazon
[00:25:55] Smile. um and and any other federal law
[00:25:58] enforcement or any of these
[00:25:59] organizations.
[00:26:00] >> But we should take it further, not just
[00:26:01] uh not not just to stop working with
[00:26:03] them, but I want disclosures. I want to
[00:26:05] know who the ADL was working with on the
[00:26:07] FBI with to spy on what commentator on
[00:26:11] what personality. What work were they
[00:26:13] doing? And if Cash Patel is listening, I
[00:26:15] hope he does full disclosures, not just
[00:26:17] cutting off the ties. believe it or not.
[00:26:19] So when everyone everyone remembers the
[00:26:22] uh the huge scandal for Catholics that
[00:26:25] the SPL or excuse me that the FBI was um
[00:26:29] surveilling and investigating and
[00:26:32] infiltrating Catholic groups that were,
[00:26:34] you know, praying the rosary a little
[00:26:36] bit too hard and how it was completely
[00:26:38] insane. It became this national scandal.
[00:26:40] That operation was shut down when Cash
[00:26:41] Patel got in. Thank God. But one thing
[00:26:44] that people missed and Elon actually or
[00:26:46] um actually just quote tweeted me
[00:26:47] because I was pulling up some of my old
[00:26:49] reporting that investigation was
[00:26:52] predicated on an SPLC report about
[00:26:55] Catholics. So they used an SPLC article
[00:26:58] as a quote unquote what what what Luke
[00:27:00] is saying here is 100% correct. And this
[00:27:02] is just a a very famous example that
[00:27:05] people have to understand where this
[00:27:06] stuff comes from. So the SPLC writes the
[00:27:08] article, then the FBI sees it and says,
[00:27:10] "Oh my gosh, we have to start an
[00:27:11] investigation." Then they get approval
[00:27:13] to start infiltrating Catholic church
[00:27:15] and spying and tracking and doing all
[00:27:16] these illegal things.
[00:27:17] >> It gets better. Can we uh pull up this
[00:27:19] article that I got here? This is from
[00:27:20] the Postmillennial
[00:27:22] >> recently pulled Apple TV show about
[00:27:24] online hate group researcher was
[00:27:26] inspired by ADL's anti-extremism work.
[00:27:30] >> This is the Jessica Chastain show.
[00:27:32] >> That's right. That's right. Check this
[00:27:33] out.
[00:27:33] >> Are you serious?
[00:27:34] >> This is from Yeah. from Postm Apple TV's
[00:27:37] pulled series starring Jessica Chastain
[00:27:39] was based on ADL's re a researcher
[00:27:42] tasked with monitoring online hate
[00:27:44] networks. The show originally scheduled
[00:27:45] to launch at the end of September was
[00:27:46] postponed. The New York Times reported
[00:27:48] the Tision came after the assassination
[00:27:49] of Charlie Kirk earlier this month. So
[00:27:51] here's the funny thing. This show was
[00:27:53] basically a girl boss liberal cultist uh
[00:27:57] wet dream where she goes online and
[00:28:00] larps and then uh uncovers plots from
[00:28:03] white supremacist groups and then they
[00:28:05] go and and break them up when the show
[00:28:08] got cancelled or it's pulled suspended.
[00:28:10] Who knows? Maybe it'll come back.
[00:28:11] Jessica Chastain then went on Instagram
[00:28:13] and gave this long tirade about the
[00:28:15] extremist on both extremism on both
[00:28:17] sides. You know, the right did this and
[00:28:19] the left did this. It's more important
[00:28:21] than ever that we have a show like this
[00:28:22] on the air. The reality, this is how
[00:28:25] they launder culture. They create a
[00:28:29] movie about the ADL so that people who
[00:28:33] don't know better think this is what
[00:28:35] life is like. And I will stress to you
[00:28:37] guys, I know there's a lot of people
[00:28:38] watching right now, you're smarter. I
[00:28:40] get it. That's why you're watching the
[00:28:42] our show, Thought Crime, all these
[00:28:44] shows. You're a discerning individual.
[00:28:45] But there are many people in this
[00:28:46] country that think the world is like
[00:28:48] movies. Why do you think liberals want
[00:28:49] to ban silencers? Suppressors, I'm
[00:28:51] sorry. Because they think they go pew
[00:28:53] pew pew, cuz they've never actually seen
[00:28:54] one. They base their worldview off of
[00:28:57] movies. That's why they make shows like
[00:28:59] this to launder this idea of what the
[00:29:02] ADL is doing.
[00:29:03] >> Well, and Tim, not only that, but and we
[00:29:05] still haven't gotten I'd love to get, by
[00:29:06] the way, like a media screener of this
[00:29:08] or something because
[00:29:11] they pulled this show and and Andrew, I
[00:29:12] think you remember it was like the day
[00:29:14] after Charlie died. It was one of the
[00:29:16] first things that we saw and no one had
[00:29:17] been talking about this show. There had
[00:29:18] been like a meme about it, but nobody
[00:29:21] like certainly obviously we weren't in a
[00:29:23] place to think about shows. Nobody
[00:29:25] thought there was any connection between
[00:29:27] that show and Charlie Kirk, but do you
[00:29:30] remember? Okay, so this is a theory
[00:29:32] that's gone out since then about this
[00:29:34] show specifically. Do you remember, and
[00:29:36] Tim, I know we talked about the other
[00:29:37] night, the Groper hoax Oh, yeah. that
[00:29:40] was spread by so many on the left up to
[00:29:42] and including in a sense Jimmy Kimmel
[00:29:45] that a groper had been the one pulling
[00:29:48] the trigger to shoot and kill Charlie.
[00:29:50] Well, so many people were tweeting that
[00:29:52] out that the theory was that perhaps a
[00:29:55] screener of the savant had gone out and
[00:29:58] what if that was a plot that had
[00:30:00] actually been in there and that's where
[00:30:02] they all got the idea from because just
[00:30:05] like South Park because they were saying
[00:30:08] oh wait there like it seemed like they
[00:30:11] were really scared about something in
[00:30:13] that show.
[00:30:14] >> Do you know about the show Utopia? Oh
[00:30:17] yeah, that's a wild one about it. But
[00:30:19] >> they have to have a disclosure in the
[00:30:20] beginning saying this is now real life
[00:30:21] events.
[00:30:22] >> There was a show that came out. I was at
[00:30:24] Amazon I think right and it was about a
[00:30:26] tech billionaire who was concerned about
[00:30:28] climate change. He had produced fake
[00:30:30] meat and was trying to get people to eat
[00:30:32] it because he wanted to reduce carbon
[00:30:33] emissions.
[00:30:34] >> He secretly worked behind the scenes to
[00:30:36] create a pandemic scare so that he could
[00:30:39] get the government to force vaccinations
[00:30:41] on people thinking it would vaccinate
[00:30:43] them from this pandemic but it
[00:30:44] sterilized them instead.
[00:30:45] >> Yep.
[00:30:46] population. And when when did this come
[00:30:49] out? A couple years ago, was it 2020?
[00:30:52] >> Why is your t-shirt uh taped taped given
[00:30:55] that story?
[00:30:55] >> Well, there's some kids watching and it
[00:30:57] might not be the best and the most
[00:30:59] appropriate thing.
[00:31:00] >> Yeah, I'll tweet about it. Stop it. But
[00:31:03] it was produced in 2019.
[00:31:07] When when in 2020 was it did
[00:31:09] >> uh I don't know. To your point, it was
[00:31:10] produced in 2019.
[00:31:12] >> September. So, it gets better. The
[00:31:14] premise of the show is all of that, but
[00:31:17] there is an individual with knowledge of
[00:31:19] the plot who wrote a comic book. And in
[00:31:22] the comic book, it reveals the plot. So
[00:31:25] the idea is if you get a copy of this
[00:31:28] this comic book Utopia, you will know
[00:31:30] the plan the elites have for the world.
[00:31:33] What a ridiculous story. I mean, for us,
[00:31:35] we just have a TV show on Amazon about
[00:31:37] elites. Yeah, we just real
[00:31:41] totally not connected to anything at all
[00:31:42] that's going on.
[00:31:43] >> But to go to the back to the topic of
[00:31:44] the SPLC because I think it's important
[00:31:46] to talk about a couple years ago there
[00:31:48] was a terrorist inspired event that a
[00:31:50] leftist lunatic used SPLC information in
[00:31:53] order to shoot up the family research
[00:31:55] council. A lot of people forget that
[00:31:58] they not only put people on hit lists,
[00:32:01] but they were the inspiration for
[00:32:03] terrorist attack before. So what Elon
[00:32:05] Musk is talking about right now is of
[00:32:08] critical key importance. Cash Patel
[00:32:09] needs to get on this right now. He needs
[00:32:11] to provide disclosures. He needs to
[00:32:12] provide us information, what's happening
[00:32:14] behind the scenes, what was really going
[00:32:16] on. And why was federal police hijacked
[00:32:19] by these leftist woke institutions that
[00:32:21] literally put us on on an on hit list. I
[00:32:23] was there since 2010 and I remember
[00:32:25] seeing this terrorist attack and I'm
[00:32:26] like, I'm on that list that this lunatic
[00:32:28] looked at uh that happened in 2012 and
[00:32:31] I'm like, they just they're literally
[00:32:33] attacking me. and and I tried to reach
[00:32:35] out and they actually contacted me and
[00:32:36] they're like, you know, we'll give you
[00:32:37] the benefit of that. Let me interview
[00:32:39] you. So, I I recorded the interview with
[00:32:41] the SPLC. I was like, "You guys don't
[00:32:42] understand. We're raising money. We're
[00:32:44] working with first responders. We're
[00:32:46] working with family members. We're
[00:32:47] working with rescue workers, survivors,
[00:32:49] and and I laid it all out.
[00:32:50] >> They took my quotes out of context and
[00:32:52] then wrote an article talking about how
[00:32:54] how I was a violent extremist when I
[00:32:56] never even said any of those things. I
[00:32:58] did lied and slandered me and then put
[00:33:01] me on this target list that radicals use
[00:33:03] to kill people.
[00:33:04] >> Jack, this reminds me of Sorry, Tim, but
[00:33:06] this reminds me of I one and on one in
[00:33:08] one instance tried to work in good faith
[00:33:10] with
[00:33:11] >> Oh, god. Certain SPLC person.
[00:33:13] >> Yeah, me too.
[00:33:14] >> Yeah. No, but I I just said, "Jack, let
[00:33:16] me see. Let me see." Cuz they were
[00:33:17] coming after Jack and I was like, "I'm
[00:33:18] going to just let me see." Cuz actually,
[00:33:20] I looked at his questions like there's
[00:33:22] really
[00:33:22] >> Well, because they were reaching out to
[00:33:23] Turning Point for like an official
[00:33:25] >> Yeah. Well, no. Yeah. And it was it was
[00:33:27] obvious explanations for the questions
[00:33:29] he was asking. We built timelines. I
[00:33:31] explained all this stuff and we spent a
[00:33:33] lot of time he we like explained the
[00:33:35] anatomy of a meme and like put the
[00:33:37] timeline out that showed very clearly.
[00:33:39] >> Was this the okay handler or something?
[00:33:41] >> It was along those lines. Yeah.
[00:33:42] >> So I tried to do it and then the thing
[00:33:43] came out and it was just exactly a
[00:33:45] complete smear job hit job. And
[00:33:48] >> let me let me let me tell you guys a
[00:33:49] story. So in 2018 an article was put out
[00:33:52] by the SPLC which included me. It was it
[00:33:54] was written about a bunch of people who
[00:33:56] are uh I guess you'd call them lefties,
[00:33:59] progressives, and it's called uh it was
[00:34:02] called the multipolar spin. How fascists
[00:34:05] operationalize left-wing resentment.
[00:34:07] What they were basically saying was
[00:34:09] here's a spattering of people who are on
[00:34:11] the left, but they're secretly fascists.
[00:34:14] I was included in this. I think I I
[00:34:16] think Max Blumenthal was included in
[00:34:18] this.
[00:34:19] >> And here's the best part. They called me
[00:34:21] alt-right.
[00:34:22] Uh, I'm mixed race as everyone knows.
[00:34:24] And they said that I had gone to Iran
[00:34:27] for a Holocaust deniers conference.
[00:34:28] >> Tim, why did you do that? You shouldn't
[00:34:30] do that.
[00:34:31] >> I've never been to Iran in my life.
[00:34:32] >> Really tonedeaf.
[00:34:33] >> And their source,
[00:34:34] >> read the room, Tim. Read the room.
[00:34:36] >> An archive of a since at the time the
[00:34:39] website had been deleted.
[00:34:41] >> It was some blog in Iran from some
[00:34:44] Holocaust denier who wrote a thing
[00:34:46] claiming I had been to Iran, which was
[00:34:48] made up. So, we actually filed a lawsuit
[00:34:50] against him. They issued an apology and
[00:34:52] took it down because my challenge to
[00:34:54] them was, if you want to if you want to
[00:34:57] claim that I'm an alt-right guy who went
[00:35:00] to Iran for a Holocaust conference, I
[00:35:02] have no problem having you go to court
[00:35:04] and tell a judge your source is a
[00:35:07] conspiracy theory website from Iran that
[00:35:09] was deleted. I want that on the record
[00:35:10] and then we'll run. So they they were
[00:35:12] like, "Okay, we're taking it down." Not
[00:35:14] to mention, you know, when they went
[00:35:16] after Max Blumenthal, he was like, "I'm
[00:35:17] going to call my dad." And they were
[00:35:18] like, "We'll delete it. They went after
[00:35:21] I don't know exactly how that went down.
[00:35:22] >> They went after sitting.
[00:35:26] >> All right, that's that's our line
[00:35:27] change. I'm going to I'm going to
[00:35:28] >> hot swap. Hot swap for the hot swap. All
[00:35:31] right, hot swap. Blake is coming in.
[00:35:33] Blake is coming in. He's coming in hot.
[00:35:34] Extraordinarily coming in hot.
[00:35:36] >> Appropriate with that sombrero and a
[00:35:37] mustache and beard. Okay, it's all you,
[00:35:39] brother.
[00:35:40] >> Wait, Blake. Blake, why why do you have
[00:35:42] that that crazy mustache on? That crazy
[00:35:44] fake mustache. Oh, he can't talk yet.
[00:35:47] meal.
[00:35:51] [Music]
[00:35:53] >> Oh no.
[00:35:54] >> Why are we all talking like this for
[00:35:56] some strange reason?
[00:35:56] >> Oh, because I ordered guac for the
[00:35:57] office and we got really excited.
[00:35:59] >> Wait, you ate guac? You didn't share.
[00:36:00] >> Well, you didn't have any. Everybody was
[00:36:01] eating it.
[00:36:02] >> I No, I was like getting the show ready.
[00:36:04] I was looking at tweets. Elon's like
[00:36:06] pulling me up.
[00:36:06] >> I was sitting back. I was like, "Hey
[00:36:08] guys, instead of doing the show like
[00:36:09] normal, make Jack do the work. Let's eat
[00:36:10] guacamole later."
[00:36:11] >> He He gued me. He just guac me on my own
[00:36:14] show. When they delivered the guac, they
[00:36:16] uh just asked if it would play the
[00:36:17] music.
[00:36:18] >> Did you get the guac?
[00:36:19] >> I think I did. Yeah, I got guac. But
[00:36:21] thing is, I don't like guac, so I kind
[00:36:22] of just let it sit there and turn like
[00:36:24] brown or whatever.
[00:36:25] >> No, no, I can't that I can't have that.
[00:36:27] Um, so, so Blake, we've been talking
[00:36:29] about the SPLC. We were talking about it
[00:36:30] earlier today. Uh, just get your take on
[00:36:34] this. What do you think about the fact
[00:36:35] that Elon Musk has just
[00:36:39] picked up the baseball bat and is just
[00:36:42] like beating down the poverty palace?
[00:36:46] Which, by the way, that's Tim. Do you
[00:36:47] know that's what they call the SPLC's
[00:36:49] headquarters, the poverty palace?
[00:36:51] >> What?
[00:36:51] >> Yeah, we should. By the way, guys, we
[00:36:53] have got to get a picture up of I should
[00:36:54] have said this before. I was not working
[00:36:56] very hard in prep. Um, we have got to
[00:36:59] get a picture of the SPLC's
[00:37:00] headquarters. It's literally a glass
[00:37:03] palace. So, so Blake, your your
[00:37:05] thoughts.
[00:37:06] >> They live in a giant glass house, yet
[00:37:08] they throw stones. So many stones.
[00:37:10] >> Isn't it funny the names they choose
[00:37:12] these organizations, though? The
[00:37:13] Southern Poverty Law Center. Yeah. It it
[00:37:15] makes people think that it's like a a a
[00:37:19] liberal welfare organization that does
[00:37:21] legal work for hungry.
[00:37:22] >> I'll tell you what it's supposed to do.
[00:37:23] It's exactly named so that people will
[00:37:25] think that it is like a 50s60s era like
[00:37:29] civil rights organization.
[00:37:31] like the uh what was MLK's group was
[00:37:33] like Southern Christian Leadership.
[00:37:36] So, they're clearly evoking that. Yeah.
[00:37:38] I think it was I think it was founded in
[00:37:39] 1970 or so and then it just immediately
[00:37:41] began its direct mail campaigns to scam
[00:37:44] neurotic housewives out of their money.
[00:37:46] >> We had an event in Jersey several years
[00:37:48] ago that it was called I forgot what it
[00:37:50] was called, but it was um it was called
[00:37:52] something I forgot the name of it, but
[00:37:55] we we the the subheader was ending
[00:37:57] violence, racism, and authoritarianism.
[00:38:00] and Daryl Davis was our headline speaker
[00:38:03] and literally it was I I guess I would
[00:38:05] liken it to a
[00:38:08] c centrist type, you know, uh debate on
[00:38:12] morals. Antifa called it a white
[00:38:14] supremacist event and threatened to burn
[00:38:15] the theater down. And I'm like, it's
[00:38:16] literally called ending racism,
[00:38:18] violence, and authoritarianism. They
[00:38:19] were like, yeah, we don't care.
[00:38:21] >> And and Blake, so you mentioned you
[00:38:22] mentioned the scamming. Um there have
[00:38:24] been there have been liberals who have
[00:38:26] Oh gosh, here's the picture, Tim. Look
[00:38:28] at this. This is their headquarters,
[00:38:32] >> the Poverty Palace.
[00:38:33] >> It looks like you could hit a button and
[00:38:35] it would like transform into something
[00:38:36] that does their Their endowment
[00:38:39] currently, according to their 2024
[00:38:42] release, is almost 900 billion
[00:38:46] >> million,
[00:38:47] >> excuse me, $900 million.
[00:38:49] >> 900 million.
[00:38:50] >> 900 billion. That'd be like I was
[00:38:53] thinking in my head, it's almost a
[00:38:54] billion. It's almost a billion dollars.
[00:38:55] So, just under a billion dollars they've
[00:38:57] raised through these scams. And there
[00:38:59] have been liberals and leftists and even
[00:39:01] even communists like the people over at
[00:39:03] uh Current Affair that have have come
[00:39:06] out and said, "Yeah, this is obviously a
[00:39:07] scam." Former employees have come out,
[00:39:09] it's obviously a scam. What they're
[00:39:11] doing is they're claiming that they're
[00:39:13] doing all this work to fight the hate
[00:39:15] when essentially all they're doing is
[00:39:17] targeting people for hate and then
[00:39:20] shaking down again like like like old
[00:39:23] liberals for money. They also Tim,
[00:39:27] you'll appreciate this. They take that
[00:39:28] money and a bunch of it they'll send
[00:39:30] tens of millions. I think 30 million
[00:39:32] according to Tyler O'Neal over at Daily
[00:39:34] Signal is uh is is sent down to the
[00:39:37] Cayman Islands for tax purposes as a tax
[00:39:39] haven right now. So the the amount of
[00:39:43] >> very southern poverty
[00:39:44] >> Yeah. very southern extremely southern
[00:39:45] in the in the Gulf of America. So when
[00:39:47] when you look at this, it's it's so ripe
[00:39:50] not just for, by the way, federal
[00:39:52] investigation for wire fraud and mail
[00:39:54] fraud because anything you do by mail is
[00:39:56] of course uh federal, but Alabama, it is
[00:39:59] the reddest of the red states. And yet
[00:40:03] they sit right there in Montgomery,
[00:40:05] Alabama in their poverty palace, and no
[00:40:07] one does anything. Wait a minute. Oh my
[00:40:09] gosh. So guys, do you see that? So on
[00:40:13] the on the side up here there, um we
[00:40:15] have MSNBC playing. If you guys can't
[00:40:16] see it, MSNBC is literally running an
[00:40:20] SPLC ad right now. That's MSNBC up in
[00:40:24] the top right
[00:40:25] music
[00:40:26] >> as we're talking about this.
[00:40:28] >> Yes. And help help fight hate. They say
[00:40:31] >> fight hate. And they've got t-shirts.
[00:40:32] They're advocating for change. Blah blah
[00:40:35] blah blah, you know, and they're talking
[00:40:37] about
[00:40:38] looks like one of those groups that
[00:40:40] people think is just feds faking it.
[00:40:42] >> Yeah.
[00:40:42] >> Holy moly. And
[00:40:43] >> you know what's really interesting is
[00:40:44] that all of the all of the good people
[00:40:46] >> we did not play that's that's actually a
[00:40:47] live MSNBC.
[00:40:48] >> Did you notice that in the commercial
[00:40:49] all of the good people were black?
[00:40:51] >> Yes, of course.
[00:40:52] >> Like there was a lawyer who was black,
[00:40:53] the judge was black, the the guy
[00:40:54] advertising like was black. Then it
[00:40:56] showed the Patriot front bunch of white
[00:40:59] guys in masks. Then it showed a bunch of
[00:41:00] black protesters. Is that who they're
[00:41:02] trying to fundra off of? I guess.
[00:41:04] >> Oh no. They're definitely not
[00:41:05] fundraising.
[00:41:06] >> No. Tim, are you drawing some connection
[00:41:07] there? No. There's no way. It's not
[00:41:09] possible. That's so crazy. We did not.
[00:41:12] So yeah, the the the people can't see it
[00:41:14] because it's off screen, but we have a
[00:41:15] video wall here that just shows, you
[00:41:17] know, pretty much all the cable news
[00:41:18] channels and uh the one that was
[00:41:21] playing. So we've got like CNN, we got
[00:41:22] MSNBC, of course, we've got RAV.
[00:41:24] >> This is This next commercial is worse.
[00:41:25] It's mushroom coffee.
[00:41:27] >> E, I will not drink the mushroom coffee.
[00:41:31] I will not drink the mushroom coffee.
[00:41:33] >> That is I like mushrooms, but not in
[00:41:36] that way.
[00:41:36] >> Blake, you do shrooms.
[00:41:38] >> No, no,
[00:41:38] >> no. Ian Ian's coming later. Ian will be
[00:41:40] here. Speaking of mushrooms,
[00:41:43] >> he'll pop up like a mushroom.
[00:41:48] >> Wait, is he actually coming?
[00:41:51] That is kind of a good segway.
[00:41:55] Oh, he's here.
[00:41:58] Wait, wait. You got you got talk to the
[00:41:59] mic. I
[00:42:00] >> love Mexican culture and I do love
[00:42:01] suicide.
[00:42:03] >> I know. I know you do. I know you do. I
[00:42:05] know you do. Are we Do we want to swap
[00:42:07] or we swap?
[00:42:08] >> Swap. Someone's just like Ian, go.
[00:42:09] They're talking about suicide. We'll
[00:42:11] swap in an hour out. So,
[00:42:12] >> okay. We'll call you.
[00:42:14] >> Yeah. You know, we did talk about
[00:42:15] mushrooms. So,
[00:42:16] >> stay in the moment.
[00:42:18] >> In the moment.
[00:42:19] >> Thank you, Ian. Um, but no, it's it's I
[00:42:23] mean that that's so crazy. This is how
[00:42:25] big they are that MSNBC is just running
[00:42:28] this stuff all the time. So, and and
[00:42:31] that's and and by the way, so Blake,
[00:42:32] talk to me about the the the current
[00:42:35] demographic of an MSNBC prime time
[00:42:37] viewer that they're trying to target.
[00:42:39] >> Okay. Okay. So, the current demographic
[00:42:40] of an MSNB prime time viewer, I'd say
[00:42:42] median viewer is probably what, 75 years
[00:42:45] old at least,
[00:42:45] >> generously, it it's very aged people who
[00:42:49] watch these left-wing cable prime time
[00:42:52] shows and they basically like need to
[00:42:55] like constantly bombard them with fear
[00:42:57] porn. It's like, it's quite funny. Like
[00:42:59] if you read the direct mailers too that
[00:43:00] SPLC does, it's just very funny because
[00:43:02] they're basically trying to find, you
[00:43:04] know, rich or upper middle class
[00:43:06] housewives and being like, "Hey,
[00:43:08] remember that Holocaust? It's about to
[00:43:10] happen again if you don't donate to the
[00:43:12] SPLC's poverty palace." And you know,
[00:43:15] they they really whipped them up. It's
[00:43:17] so comical. They're always like, "Ah,
[00:43:19] this last year was this is a barn burn.
[00:43:21] This is a record setter in hate." And
[00:43:23] there's more hate groups than ever,
[00:43:25] >> right? bec and this is why though this
[00:43:27] is why they've they've and and Tim you
[00:43:29] know this is why they have to expand the
[00:43:31] aperture because there there's a supply
[00:43:32] and demand issue to the point where
[00:43:34] Charlie Kirk right a guy who's never
[00:43:38] raised a a hand in anger who just wants
[00:43:40] to have dialogue and and campus debate
[00:43:43] gets ins snared in it
[00:43:44] >> why is it so easy to be evil you know
[00:43:46] this stuff doesn't work on the right if
[00:43:48] we if we made something comparable and
[00:43:49] we called it rules the northern elitist
[00:43:52] you know law directive
[00:43:53] >> yeah if we were saying code Hank were a
[00:43:55] bunch of crazy radicals like and saying
[00:43:57] that they're extremists. They're going
[00:43:58] to have people well well whatever.
[00:44:00] They're still entitled to their opinion
[00:44:01] and they're mostly nonviolent. Uh and
[00:44:04] they and they do things, you know,
[00:44:05] pretty peacefully and sometimes I agree
[00:44:07] with them actually. Uh sometimes I
[00:44:08] absolutely disagree with them, but there
[00:44:10] isn't an effort to try to Yeah. They're
[00:44:12] they're anti-war people. If there was an
[00:44:14] effort to label them terrorists, I mean
[00:44:15] that would be a little bit extreme. That
[00:44:16] would be
[00:44:17] >> I'm just saying the right doesn't have
[00:44:19] anything comparable where we create a
[00:44:21] fake organization with a fake name and
[00:44:22] then trick people into giving over tons
[00:44:24] of money
[00:44:25] >> cuz that's not how the right operates.
[00:44:27] >> Is it being doesn't just sit there and
[00:44:29] go oh my gosh like we don't we don't
[00:44:32] make these crazy comparisons and say you
[00:44:34] you you know you remember this thing
[00:44:36] from 85 years ago it's about to happen
[00:44:38] again if you don't give us money right
[00:44:40] now like you can go and look at again.
[00:44:43] And so I mean like uh Turning Point USA,
[00:44:46] right? You know, obviously we're we're
[00:44:48] here. I've got the shirt on. Uh
[00:44:50] Charlie's a leader. You know, go look at
[00:44:51] a at a at a Turning Point fundraising
[00:44:53] drive. It's like we're going to teach
[00:44:55] people about the Constitution and we're
[00:44:57] going to talk about the Bible and talk
[00:45:00] about how great America is
[00:45:02] >> and let you come and have a debate in
[00:45:03] person. Everyone can hear what's going
[00:45:04] on. Of course, that was of the
[00:45:07] centerpiece of everything that Charlie
[00:45:08] did.
[00:45:09] >> You guys want to talk about this story?
[00:45:10] Uh can you pull this one up? There's
[00:45:12] that. We don't need the audio for it.
[00:45:13] It's just an amazing video. This This is
[00:45:16] an Antifa guy who dumped red paint at uh
[00:45:20] the ICE facility in Portland. And he
[00:45:22] found out he he found out. You can see
[00:45:24] here on the left this obese young man
[00:45:27] being arrested. And then what do you
[00:45:29] think his reaction was once he was
[00:45:30] actually in the
[00:45:32] >> probably laughing, probably taunting.
[00:45:34] >> Is that what you think?
[00:45:35] >> No, he's shivering in fear and pleading
[00:45:37] for his life, terrified because he
[00:45:40] thought he was playing a game. He look
[00:45:42] at him shaking and terrified, begging
[00:45:45] for forgiveness. You can't really hear
[00:45:47] the audio in it. It's just it's, you
[00:45:48] know, he's just in there shaking,
[00:45:50] terrified. These people that go out,
[00:45:53] they create the shield for the for the
[00:45:55] terrorists to hide in the bushes and
[00:45:56] shoot like we've seen in the past.
[00:45:58] >> Yeah.
[00:45:58] >> These people are stupid. They think
[00:45:59] they're playing a game. They show up to
[00:46:02] these facilities. They dump paint and
[00:46:03] they he's overweight. This dude, he
[00:46:06] doesn't look like he wants for anything.
[00:46:08] He's just bored and has no purpose. And
[00:46:10] now he found out. I think with I I'm
[00:46:13] happy to see ICE taking going going to
[00:46:15] these extremist groups and having real
[00:46:17] law enforcement explain to them. And
[00:46:18] here's what I say. Tell me if you agree.
[00:46:20] I think he should get a month in jail.
[00:46:23] >> Well, I I think I'd want to see what
[00:46:25] every what all he did, though.
[00:46:27] >> Sure. I I'm saying for dumping paint.
[00:46:29] >> If if that's all he did, I
[00:46:31] >> criminal damage to federal property.
[00:46:33] Take a guilty plea. One month, you go to
[00:46:35] federal lockup and then all your friends
[00:46:37] can say, "Where did Enrique go?" And you
[00:46:39] can say he went to federal lockup. Why?
[00:46:42] Because he was attacking federal law
[00:46:43] enforcement.
[00:46:44] >> I'll say this, a month minimum. Minimum.
[00:46:46] >> The reason why I think a month is
[00:46:49] >> because he didn't just do it. He did it
[00:46:50] as a member of this group. And so that's
[00:46:53] an enhancement.
[00:46:54] >> Yes. Uh there there's some pros and the
[00:46:56] cons in the weight of this. And and
[00:46:58] actually I think it'd be great if you
[00:46:59] guys want to chime in a second. Um
[00:47:00] >> wait, by the way, I I just have to say
[00:47:01] though, can can we throw up the original
[00:47:02] picture of him again, guys? Because I I
[00:47:05] want I want to be clear. Like
[00:47:06] >> which one? uh the the original picture
[00:47:08] of when he had his hands up there.
[00:47:09] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:47:10] >> Because when he had the red paint
[00:47:11] because when you when you see the red
[00:47:13] paint, it's very clear that they quite
[00:47:15] literally
[00:47:16] >> caught him red-handed.
[00:47:19] >> Oh,
[00:47:22] sorry. That's all I got.
[00:47:23] >> So, and the music.
[00:47:25] >> If you were doing uh if you got like
[00:47:27] disorderly conduct, what do you get? You
[00:47:28] get a weekend of community service. If
[00:47:30] that you get a slap on the wrist and a
[00:47:31] fine.
[00:47:32] >> He's he's also don't know if he has
[00:47:34] prior. This is indeed
[00:47:36] >> that does seem like what what you're
[00:47:38] seeing in that video though is likely uh
[00:47:39] what they call shock of capture. So a
[00:47:42] guy who's been arrested before probably
[00:47:44] isn't going to react like that.
[00:47:45] >> This looks to me like some chubby loser
[00:47:47] with no purpose who thinks he's playing
[00:47:49] a game. He splashed paint at the ice
[00:47:51] facility. That's criminal damage to
[00:47:52] federal property. I don't I I don't I
[00:47:54] don't think it's effective to throw him
[00:47:56] in lockup for a year because that could
[00:47:57] actually radicalize his friends. They
[00:47:58] they actually rely on this. One of the
[00:48:00] strategies the far left uses is to
[00:48:02] intentionally get stupid people people
[00:48:03] arrested to then radicalize them because
[00:48:06] they'll tell you, "Wasn't the punishment
[00:48:07] excessive?" So, you got to find that
[00:48:09] happy medium where his friends will be
[00:48:10] like, "I don't want to go to jail for a
[00:48:11] month. Screw that." But he gets out in
[00:48:13] time to where it's not like he was
[00:48:14] disappeared or anything. During a lot of
[00:48:17] these protests, what Antifa will do is
[00:48:19] they'll tell the average person, "Show
[00:48:21] up, stand here, wiggle your arms, and
[00:48:23] and chant." They'll then tell their they
[00:48:26] have they color code it. They'll tell
[00:48:27] the direct action group, that's what
[00:48:28] it's called, go in the middle of that
[00:48:30] crowd and throw a brick at a cop. What
[00:48:32] happens then is these dumb college kids
[00:48:33] who have no idea what's going on are
[00:48:34] standing there derping around. A brick
[00:48:36] flies in there, hits a cop, the cops
[00:48:38] say, "Okay, we're shutting this down."
[00:48:40] Starts grabbing people and arresting
[00:48:41] people. Once these people, these college
[00:48:44] kids who have no idea what's going on,
[00:48:45] end up in jail. They're panicking.
[00:48:47] They're shaking. They're terrified.
[00:48:49] That's how they recruit. Not kidding.
[00:48:51] They'll then have the direct activists,
[00:48:53] theuh the direct action crew be in jail
[00:48:56] and get arrested too intentionally and
[00:48:58] say, "Don't worry. We are here for you.
[00:49:00] Our lawyers are going to get you out."
[00:49:02] Isn't it crazy how evil these cops are?
[00:49:04] You didn't even do anything wrong. Sing
[00:49:06] with us. Hey, when you get out, call me.
[00:49:09] Here's my number. Write it on your arm
[00:49:11] and we'll make sure you're safe. That's
[00:49:13] how they radicalize people. So, with
[00:49:15] that being said,
[00:49:15] >> what if we put them away for 10 years?
[00:49:18] >> The guy's friends will get radicalized.
[00:49:20] minimum
[00:49:20] >> his family will get radicalized and his
[00:49:22] friends will get radicalized. So I'm not
[00:49:24] thinking about this in terms of the
[00:49:26] emotional satisfaction if if like the
[00:49:28] anti-terrorists who know what they're
[00:49:30] doing and organize 10 years agreed his
[00:49:32] friends are already radicals.
[00:49:33] >> So by the way have you ever heard the
[00:49:35] the
[00:49:36] the categorization of these various
[00:49:38] groups that you're talking about within
[00:49:39] the black block? Uh the colors have you
[00:49:41] heard the colors? Green, red, and
[00:49:42] yellow.
[00:49:42] >> Yeah, green, red, and yellow. I I was
[00:49:44] like, bro. So the green Yeah. The greens
[00:49:46] are the ones who just kind of like march
[00:49:47] around and they they conceal, right? And
[00:49:50] they have no idea. Then the yellows are
[00:49:52] your organizers, your leaders, your your
[00:49:54] directors, managers, and the and the
[00:49:56] yellows, by the way, travel around,
[00:49:58] highly organized. We were talking about
[00:49:59] the other night um on on Tim Cast proper
[00:50:03] that they are highly organized and
[00:50:05] clearly financed. And then the reds are
[00:50:08] just the crazy it's the direct action of
[00:50:10] direct action to say and when I would
[00:50:12] infiltrate Antifa events like prior to
[00:50:15] the um attack on the deplorable ball in
[00:50:17] uh 2017 at Trump's first inauguration,
[00:50:20] they would they would move someone
[00:50:21] around and they would say and we would
[00:50:23] have like 200 people in a church
[00:50:25] basement and they would say, "Okay,
[00:50:26] anyone who's interested in direct
[00:50:28] action, we're going to go over here into
[00:50:30] another room, but if you're interested
[00:50:32] in that, come on over here." And those
[00:50:34] are the reds. That's the top of the
[00:50:35] pyramid. There's fewer of them, but
[00:50:37] those are the ones that are going to
[00:50:39] commit actual violence.
[00:50:40] >> Yep. And the So they they the green
[00:50:42] group is the the doofy college kids who
[00:50:45] have no idea what's going on,
[00:50:46] >> right?
[00:50:47] >> They don't want them to know. They want
[00:50:49] to radicalize them. And so they tell the
[00:50:51] direct action group, "We need to get
[00:50:53] these people arrested, as many of them
[00:50:54] as possible." So you might see a flyer
[00:50:56] at a college and it's like, "Come march
[00:50:58] for this social injustice." And what the
[00:51:00] actual plan is is there's going to be
[00:51:02] three guys who wear all black and masks.
[00:51:05] They're going to tell you to wear the
[00:51:06] same. They say, "Wear all black. Wear a
[00:51:08] hoodie in solidarity. They're going to
[00:51:10] go up to a cop, hit them or throw a
[00:51:12] water bottle or something to get you
[00:51:14] arrested intentionally so that you're
[00:51:16] terrified because they know the machine
[00:51:19] is is cruel. That when you get arrested,
[00:51:21] the cops are like, "Don't know. Don't
[00:51:22] care why you got arrested. Stand here.
[00:51:23] Take your picture." And they're shaking
[00:51:25] and they're terrified. They've never
[00:51:26] been arrested before. They probably
[00:51:27] never had a job before. That's when they
[00:51:29] can strike. Oh, you poor thing. Look how
[00:51:32] evil police are. And then come meet us
[00:51:35] next Saturday and we'll explain
[00:51:36] everything to you. Then they get a new
[00:51:38] radical.
[00:51:40] >> You know, I don't know. I'm not sure.
[00:51:41] I'm not sure if it's just bad to
[00:51:42] radicalize it. I would just say if they
[00:51:44] want to get radicalized because they're
[00:51:45] like, you know, fafoing and then they
[00:51:48] get radicalized and they do something
[00:51:49] more radical. Okay. 10 years, 25. I
[00:51:52] don't care about filling up a prison
[00:51:53] with 50,000 of these freaks. But but
[00:51:55] what I'm saying is this guy's roommate
[00:51:57] gets radicalized and you're making more
[00:51:59] protesters. You're you're that's what
[00:52:01] they want.
[00:52:01] >> The number of protesters is irrelevant.
[00:52:03] What matters is if you're doing criminal
[00:52:05] stuff, if you're attacking cops, if
[00:52:06] you're destroying buildings that instead
[00:52:08] of getting a slap on the wrist that you
[00:52:10] are getting, oh sorry, you're an you're
[00:52:12] like an insurrectionist, you're a
[00:52:13] terrorist, you are going to prison
[00:52:14] mentality that's led to the collapse of
[00:52:16] a bunch of countries because what the
[00:52:20] >> Well, so I'm not talking about them
[00:52:21] going up gangs and arresting them and
[00:52:23] putting them in prison. These are these
[00:52:25] are known gang members who are
[00:52:26] terrorizing communities.
[00:52:26] >> He's an Antifa.
[00:52:28] >> This is a doofy chubby kid who has no
[00:52:30] idea what's going on in the world who
[00:52:31] threw paint on the ground.
[00:52:32] >> And he's got a bunch of friends who are
[00:52:34] also doofy morons who have no idea
[00:52:35] what's going on in the world. I'm not
[00:52:37] talking about letting a a guy who
[00:52:39] smashes a cop car go. talking about the
[00:52:41] chubby guy who's never been
[00:52:42] arrested before, never had a job,
[00:52:43] showing up to what he thinks is a
[00:52:44] playground for laring and then when you
[00:52:46] guys say lock him up for a year or
[00:52:48] longer, Antifa is like, "Yes, we tricked
[00:52:52] them into radicalizing more people that
[00:52:54] are going to fund raise on our behalf
[00:52:55] that are going to make money for us and
[00:52:57] sustain us." You have to be strategic in
[00:52:59] how you handle their traps. So, if a guy
[00:53:01] shows up with a gun, you arrest him. If
[00:53:03] a dupy a dofy chubby guy shows up, you
[00:53:06] you say, "This guy, I said a month."
[00:53:07] Why? because he won't dis he won't be
[00:53:09] disappeared. He'll get out in a month
[00:53:11] and say, "I'm never doing that again."
[00:53:12] And his friends will be like, "Dude, I
[00:53:14] don't want to go anywhere near that
[00:53:14] stuff."
[00:53:15] >> Yeah. Or or but couldn't he also just
[00:53:16] get out in a month and say, "I'm going
[00:53:18] to go do it again." No.
[00:53:19] >> Not the the doofy retards who don't know
[00:53:21] anything about politics. He showed up
[00:53:23] because someone at his school said, "Do
[00:53:25] you want to come hang out after school?
[00:53:26] We're going to go protest ICE." And he
[00:53:28] went, "What's ICE?" And they said, you
[00:53:30] know, the immigration thing. And he
[00:53:31] went, "Okay." He showed up.
[00:53:32] >> I mean, he's he's not a just a kid,
[00:53:34] though. He's he's over 18. He's in
[00:53:37] college presumably or at least college
[00:53:39] age and he knows what a federal facility
[00:53:42] is. He knows what a police station is at
[00:53:44] leastdeed and he knows that he's
[00:53:45] attacking.
[00:53:46] >> What is your goal? What is your goal?
[00:53:47] What's your goal?
[00:53:48] >> The goal
[00:53:48] >> What do you want to happen?
[00:53:49] >> The goal is to wipe out Antifa.
[00:53:51] >> Okay. So if Antifa is setting
[00:53:53] radicalization traps and this
[00:53:56] >> is Antifa, it's all of them. I mean the
[00:53:58] radicalization is
[00:53:59] >> here's the point. Criminal damage to
[00:54:01] federal property is I think a class A
[00:54:02] misdemeanor which has a maximum of a a
[00:54:05] year in jail. I love it.
[00:54:06] >> So for a guy who's on a first offense
[00:54:08] and is a doof, I say a month in jail. So
[00:54:11] a month in jail, I'm not talking about
[00:54:12] pleing him down to community service.
[00:54:14] I'm saying you go to jail for a month.
[00:54:15] >> If you give them the maximum penalty
[00:54:17] right now,
[00:54:17] >> I wonder if it's a federal facility. I
[00:54:19] don't think we've talked about like, you
[00:54:21] know, three strikes laws in general for
[00:54:23] like, you know, habitual criminals. But
[00:54:25] I wonder if you could do something like
[00:54:26] actually specifically dedicated for sort
[00:54:28] of antisocial rioting or maybe it is
[00:54:31] first offense as you say, maybe a month,
[00:54:33] maybe even two weeks. And but then it's
[00:54:36] like your second one, it like radically
[00:54:37] escalates. And at your third offense for
[00:54:40] like specifically disruptive rioting
[00:54:42] type stuff, even if it's what would
[00:54:44] normally be misdemeanor stuff, once
[00:54:46] we're saying, "Oh, you're just a person
[00:54:47] who always is going out and like
[00:54:49] starting stuff with cops and attacking
[00:54:51] federal facilities. All right, 15 years
[00:54:53] minimum. Have fun."
[00:54:54] >> I say second offense a year.
[00:54:56] >> My my So my point is when you see it,
[00:54:58] the the Antifa is hoping to recruit
[00:55:00] stupid people who don't know what's
[00:55:02] going on. And so we my my view is
[00:55:05] agreed. We want to wipe out Antifa. But
[00:55:07] I'll put it this way. One of one of the
[00:55:09] things they they would talk about in
[00:55:10] these direct action meetings. This is
[00:55:13] what the activists would say to you.
[00:55:15] What would happen if you stood in the
[00:55:17] street, held up a sign, and blocked
[00:55:19] traffic? What would happen?
[00:55:22] >> Honestly, probably nothing.
[00:55:24] >> Uh, no. Code picked us all the time.
[00:55:26] Something happens, you get arrested.
[00:55:28] Okay. What happens tomorrow after the
[00:55:30] cops arrest you for blocking traffic?
[00:55:33] 10 more protesters show up angry that
[00:55:34] you got arrested. That's our goal.
[00:55:36] >> That's how Occupy Wall Street grew, too.
[00:55:38] >> That that's how that that was their
[00:55:39] plan. So during Occupy Wall Street, Tony
[00:55:41] Bologna, Anthony Bolognia pepper sprayed
[00:55:43] four women and he created Occupy Wall
[00:55:46] Street. This is really important for the
[00:55:47] for the history. There were about a
[00:55:50] thousand or so, maybe not even that many
[00:55:51] people.
[00:55:51] >> A couple hundred. I was there on day
[00:55:52] one. It was only a couple hundred, not
[00:55:54] even.
[00:55:54] >> I showed up on day three of Occupy.
[00:55:57] There was like seven people. No, no
[00:55:59] joke. We were standing under a tarp in
[00:56:01] the rain. An NYPD cop walked up and he
[00:56:03] smiled and said, he's like, "God bless
[00:56:06] y'all." And he left. Seven people. I
[00:56:08] said, "Should we leave? Why am I here?"
[00:56:10] They told me, "Just wait till the
[00:56:11] weekend when people get off work,
[00:56:12] they're going to come." That weekend,
[00:56:14] there was a couple hundred people who
[00:56:16] started to march down the street. The
[00:56:18] police said, "We're going to stop this
[00:56:19] march. It's unlawful." And they did
[00:56:21] what's called kettling and wrapped an
[00:56:22] orange net around them. Four young
[00:56:24] women, and you can watch this video on
[00:56:25] YouTube,
[00:56:26] >> stood. They were outside of the march.
[00:56:28] They were not part of it. Anthony Bologn
[00:56:29] uh Bolognia, who was a I think it was a
[00:56:31] captain, I'm not sure, walked up to him
[00:56:33] for no reason and sprayed their faces.
[00:56:36] That video was uploaded instantly. It
[00:56:38] was the fastest viral video in the
[00:56:39] history of YouTube at the time, over a
[00:56:41] million views in less than a day. That
[00:56:44] video created something like 30 or 40
[00:56:46] occupied chapters across the country and
[00:56:48] sparked a movement from 500 to 300,000
[00:56:51] in one weekend. The direct action people
[00:56:54] do this on purpose. They said, "How can
[00:56:56] we get the cops to slip up?" Another
[00:56:58] really great example is they have a
[00:57:00] video where it's a a white shirt in New
[00:57:03] York swinging a baton wildly and they
[00:57:06] CGIed it to be a lightsaber and then
[00:57:09] they said the police were beating like
[00:57:10] haha look we made a meme. The police
[00:57:12] beat people for no reason. The full
[00:57:15] video shows the occupiers attacking the
[00:57:17] cops then pulling back real fast. So
[00:57:20] when the cops respond with the attack,
[00:57:22] they can get a video of Antifa going
[00:57:23] like this with their hands up,
[00:57:24] >> which is exactly what that um that ICE
[00:57:27] uh agent was in recently where the woman
[00:57:31] looks like she's getting pushed for no
[00:57:32] reason because she had attacked him and
[00:57:35] there's like 20 minutes of her just
[00:57:38] >> Yep.
[00:57:38] >> attacking him.
[00:57:39] >> She attacks him. So, Antifa will hit a
[00:57:42] cop and then immediately four people
[00:57:44] will put their hands up. So, when the
[00:57:46] cops start trying to arrest him, they
[00:57:48] can start the video at Antifa going like
[00:57:49] this.
[00:57:50] >> Look, I mean, information warfare,
[00:57:51] propaganda, that's that's all that's
[00:57:53] that is going to be part and parcel of
[00:57:55] this.
[00:57:56] >> But, I agree with Tim. We got to be
[00:57:57] smart about this, right? The facts of
[00:57:58] this case matter. Uh, I made this point
[00:58:01] a couple days ago. The left is waiting
[00:58:02] for their ICE George Floyd. And if they
[00:58:05] have it, it's going to be their major
[00:58:06] rallying call.
[00:58:07] And they've been great to not have
[00:58:09] >> Yeah, you have to show restraint. I'm
[00:58:10] looking at videos. I don't know what
[00:58:12] this kid did with the paint, but it
[00:58:13] looks like u there was some people who
[00:58:15] poured red paint on the sidewalk and
[00:58:17] then they were putting it on their hands
[00:58:19] and they were like, "Look at the blood
[00:58:20] on the hands that Ice has." And if this
[00:58:22] kid did that, I mean, it's not as
[00:58:24] egregious as throwing red paint on like
[00:58:26] an officer or somebody else. So, the
[00:58:28] facts matter here and I think we have to
[00:58:29] be super careful not to fall into the
[00:58:31] trap of the left. and Saul uh Alinsky
[00:58:34] who talked about this extensively who
[00:58:36] sets up these traps for us in order to
[00:58:37] make us look like the bad guys. We're
[00:58:39] not the bad guys. We shouldn't be the
[00:58:40] bad guys. We should we should be tough.
[00:58:42] But at the same time, we got to be
[00:58:43] respectful of people's civil liberties
[00:58:44] and the Constitution and the Bill of
[00:58:46] Rights,
[00:58:46] >> right? But you don't have a civil
[00:58:47] liberty to be a member of a terrorist
[00:58:48] group, which Antifa has now been
[00:58:49] declared one. And and what I would say
[00:58:52] though is in addition to all of this
[00:58:54] when we're talking about there needs to
[00:58:56] be a huge focus on the yellows because
[00:58:58] when you work with the networkers, the
[00:59:00] trainers, the recruiters, the people who
[00:59:02] are actually, you know, behind these
[00:59:04] mass movements, uh the their ability to
[00:59:07] spread it will be broken. So I'm not
[00:59:09] saying like this is the only thing you
[00:59:11] do, but obviously it's going to be in
[00:59:13] tandem with those same operations going
[00:59:16] against the higher ups.
[00:59:17] >> But this is my point. This guy would be
[00:59:19] a green. some goofy college kid who has
[00:59:21] no idea what's going on. You want to be
[00:59:22] careful about how you interact with them
[00:59:24] because they're hoping you do so that
[00:59:25] that guy can become a yellow or a red.
[00:59:29] So the yellows, they should get Rico.
[00:59:31] These are the the facilitators and the
[00:59:33] organizers of this who plan this is a
[00:59:35] thing where Congress could actually do
[00:59:36] something. This is I hear the RICO thing
[00:59:38] a lot. What's not really wellnown RICO
[00:59:40] was passed to go after the mob.
[00:59:42] >> Yeah, Blake has a great piece. There's
[00:59:44] sort of when you read the RICO statute,
[00:59:47] the federal one, it basically says you
[00:59:49] need predicate crimes to go after
[00:59:50] organizations. And the predicate crimes
[00:59:52] they list are things the mob would do.
[00:59:55] And as a result, inciting a riot is not
[00:59:58] one of them. Yeah. Drugs, it's homicide.
[00:59:59] It's involvement in those.
[01:00:01] >> So, so incite, so conspiracy to incite a
[01:00:04] riot
[01:00:04] >> is not one of them.
[01:00:05] >> It's not something that's covered under
[01:00:07] RICO in current law. You know, all I'm
[01:00:09] going to say is to change it, you would
[01:00:11] just need some sort of national
[01:00:13] legislative body that was perhaps
[01:00:16] controlled by your party.
[01:00:17] >> Where are we going to get one of those
[01:00:18] >> to pass to pass a modification of that
[01:00:20] law? But I I don't know where we're
[01:00:22] going to get one of those.
[01:00:23] >> They're not usually
[01:00:24] >> right. So So Tim, what he's saying is
[01:00:26] the RICO statute does not include
[01:00:29] inciting a riot.
[01:00:30] >> Well, I'm not talking about that. I'm
[01:00:31] talking about the yellows. I'm talking
[01:00:33] about funding sources. I'm talking about
[01:00:34] people organizing action. So that's what
[01:00:37] we mean though. Rico Rico is hold on.
[01:00:40] You can't use RICO against people who
[01:00:42] are part of organizations that launder
[01:00:44] money internationally. I'm I'm I'm not
[01:00:46] following.
[01:00:46] >> Well, laundering The thing is is when
[01:00:48] you say launder money, like they're
[01:00:50] laundering money for a criminal
[01:00:51] enterprise. And the criminal enterprises
[01:00:53] to enable and further civil disorder in
[01:00:55] the United States to like cause riots to
[01:00:58] get those people out of jail. like most
[01:01:00] of their monetary stuff, like they
[01:01:02] frankly don't need to launder a ton of
[01:01:04] money because they're not getting the
[01:01:05] money through criminal means. They're
[01:01:06] just getting rich idiots to donate money
[01:01:07] to them.
[01:01:08] >> I bet in 10 minutes you could find uh
[01:01:10] somewhere uh here's a story. It was in I
[01:01:12] think it was in uh was it Nashville?
[01:01:15] This several years ago, Antifa showed up
[01:01:17] to a restaurant and demanded that he uh
[01:01:19] put up a BLM flag. When he didn't, they
[01:01:21] started smashing his property. Okay, you
[01:01:23] got Rico. when when they start going to
[01:01:25] businesses and threaten them. When you
[01:01:27] go to Berkeley and you see people
[01:01:28] putting up signs saying please don't
[01:01:30] hurt us and they put the symbols in
[01:01:31] their windows. This is this is RICO. So
[01:01:34] sure, if you want to approach it as
[01:01:36] simplistically as they riot sometimes,
[01:01:38] but that's not what we're talking about.
[01:01:39] The yellow category,
[01:01:41] >> but what he's saying is what he's saying
[01:01:42] is you could add it to the RICO statute
[01:01:44] to catch more.
[01:01:45] >> Sure. Sure. Or and and and we could do
[01:01:46] that at the same time that they're
[01:01:48] working on that. We could be get
[01:01:49] charging these people with under RICO
[01:01:50] and going after them for criminal
[01:01:51] enterprise. Of course,
[01:01:52] >> there's a lot more they do than just
[01:01:53] riot. I mean, there there's organized
[01:01:57] terror attacks that's clearly outside of
[01:01:59] of right and and the financial off this
[01:02:01] stuff. So, when they're when they're
[01:02:03] engaging in criminal acts under the
[01:02:04] threat uh putting people under the
[01:02:06] threat of force in order to get money,
[01:02:08] you've got RICO. So, the the the most
[01:02:11] dangerous element, in fact, I don't
[01:02:12] think is actually the red category.
[01:02:14] These are the direct action guys who go
[01:02:15] on the ground and attack people. You
[01:02:16] arrest those guys, they're hoping they
[01:02:19] can get some of the they can get some of
[01:02:20] these greens radicalized and turned into
[01:02:21] reds. The yellows, these are the people
[01:02:23] who are connected to the NOS's who are
[01:02:26] being paid salaries by some nonprofit
[01:02:27] for some
[01:02:29] >> here here's here's it's actually really
[01:02:30] really simple. Nonprofits are under very
[01:02:32] strict rules. Uh business is under very
[01:02:35] strict rules. I I I got to I Jack, you
[01:02:37] you know this and it's crazy I have to
[01:02:39] explain this to people who've never run
[01:02:40] a business. You can't just hire someone
[01:02:43] for no reason. you running a company
[01:02:46] can't I can't be like hey look you want
[01:02:47] a job okay just I'll just pay you a
[01:02:49] salary not going to work I have to write
[01:02:52] down what his job is I have to give him
[01:02:53] a job title I have to file that with the
[01:02:55] IRS and I have to prove it so if you
[01:02:58] ever get audited they're going to say
[01:03:00] show me Mr. Rowsky's work and and prove
[01:03:02] to me that he's doing it otherwise
[01:03:03] you've committed a crime. When
[01:03:04] nonprofits which are under stricter
[01:03:06] regulation hire staffers and then tell
[01:03:09] them, hey, why don't you take the day
[01:03:11] off? Wink. And those that person goes
[01:03:13] down to organize a protest. Now you've
[01:03:15] got serious business and fraud uh uh at
[01:03:18] the at the nonprofit
[01:03:18] >> which and I can tie this back to the
[01:03:20] SPLC because you remember uh stop cop
[01:03:23] city uh that was going on in outside of
[01:03:26] Atlanta when they were attacking this uh
[01:03:29] police facility Atlanta PD facility
[01:03:31] training facility that was being built
[01:03:32] out in in this forested area and Antifa
[01:03:36] were like living in trees at one point
[01:03:38] and then conducting serious attacks on
[01:03:41] the facility uh burning you know Molotov
[01:03:44] cocktails this type of thing. Well, at
[01:03:46] one point in one of the major assaults
[01:03:47] on the facility, uh there was an SPLC
[01:03:50] lawyer. Yep.
[01:03:51] >> Who was not there and by the way, not
[01:03:53] there from as a quote unquote legal
[01:03:56] observer, like when you see the guys in
[01:03:57] the green hats. Um wow, it just hit
[01:04:00] something on my head. Oh, that's weird.
[01:04:01] I don't know what that is. And um this
[01:04:04] this is a guy was actually participating
[01:04:06] in the assault itself.
[01:04:08] >> Fraud. When you raise money for a
[01:04:10] charity that says we're going to lobby
[01:04:12] for environmental issues, but then your
[01:04:14] paid staff are going and organizing
[01:04:16] protests, you've defrauded the people
[01:04:17] who have donated to you.
[01:04:20] >> So there there's a there's a bunch of
[01:04:21] real easy ways to go after these people.
[01:04:23] And so anyway, just to kind of wrap it
[01:04:24] up, my point ultimately was put them all
[01:04:27] in jail. I was just saying be careful
[01:04:29] about giving them the radicalization
[01:04:31] tools they need by being overbearing on
[01:04:33] some chubby guy who doesn't know
[01:04:34] what's going on. The the guys in yellow
[01:04:37] should get 10 years. This is Rico stuff.
[01:04:39] This is mafioso. They go to businesses
[01:04:42] and they like legit they'll say
[01:04:44] something like, "Hey, are we want you to
[01:04:46] put this in your window and they'll say,
[01:04:48] "Look, I'm not really interested." Be a
[01:04:51] real shame if a pro I mean, there's a
[01:04:52] protest tomorrow. I mean, I can't
[01:04:54] imagine what the protesters are going to
[01:04:55] do. The businesses here be a shame.
[01:04:58] Okay. And then wait, okay, okay, okay.
[01:05:01] Please, please, please don't hurt me.
[01:05:02] I'll put the I'll put it in my window.
[01:05:03] Come on.
[01:05:04] >> And that that's that's classic
[01:05:05] intimidation. Getting back to the
[01:05:07] original the original point of RICO was
[01:05:10] uh uh what it racketeering indicating
[01:05:12] criminal organizations.
[01:05:14] >> Racketeering influence
[01:05:15] >> influenced criminal organizations.
[01:05:18] >> Have you been to Berkeley and corrupt
[01:05:19] organizations I think is what it is.
[01:05:21] >> Yes.
[01:05:22] >> Have you seen how all the businesses
[01:05:23] have signs in their windows that either
[01:05:25] say please don't hurt me or we're
[01:05:27] leftists.
[01:05:28] >> Yeah. And you see it all over the place.
[01:05:29] I'm pretty sure the Chinese nail salon
[01:05:31] that was all immigrants didn't actually
[01:05:33] believe in Marxist Leninism.
[01:05:35] >> When I was in um when I was in Chaz and
[01:05:38] uh we had all the buildings around there
[01:05:40] and I I I lived in Chaz for a week. Um
[01:05:43] and you would see the businesses and
[01:05:44] people were trying as hard as they
[01:05:46] could, you know, sushi places and car
[01:05:48] dealers and whatever it was to, you
[01:05:51] know, put the signs up saying, you know,
[01:05:52] and many of them, by the way, have have
[01:05:54] now gone on to sue the city of Seattle.
[01:05:56] And I I believe there may have been a
[01:05:57] settlement in that case where uh they
[01:06:00] said you've completely deprived us of
[01:06:01] our rights. You allowed this
[01:06:03] organization of armed individuals to
[01:06:06] prey on us. You told the police to leave
[01:06:10] the area around the Capitol Hill uh
[01:06:12] Capitol Hill Calenderson Park, that
[01:06:14] neighborhood which later then became the
[01:06:16] Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. And and
[01:06:19] and all of these businesses sued because
[01:06:21] their their place were getting burned.
[01:06:22] They were getting squatted in. Uh nobody
[01:06:24] could work. There are al also people who
[01:06:26] lived in there because it was mixeduse.
[01:06:28] So those people couldn't even come in
[01:06:30] and out of their homes on a regular
[01:06:32] basis.
[01:06:33] >> I think they have a video they want us
[01:06:34] to play.
[01:06:35] >> Oh, there's a video.
[01:06:36] >> And then we might do our swap.
[01:06:38] >> We're doing We're hot swapping. We're
[01:06:39] hot swapping.
[01:06:40] >> Oh gosh.
[01:06:41] >> Who else do we have after Ian?
[01:06:43] >> I think that's it.
[01:06:44] >> I think it's Ian.
[01:06:49] >> All right. You think it's terrible how
[01:06:51] bigoted the president of the United
[01:06:52] States is being with all these memes
[01:06:54] about Hakee Jeff
[01:06:56] Mallo?
[01:06:58] [Applause]
[01:07:00] [Music]
[01:07:05] >> I thought we were doing that during I
[01:07:06] thought we were doing that to cover
[01:07:07] this.
[01:07:07] >> Yeah, I thought we were doing that to
[01:07:08] cover it, but whatever.
[01:07:09] >> And then is Andrew or any as I leave
[01:07:12] where do you guys see all the momentum
[01:07:13] going on the right? cuz there's cultural
[01:07:15] victories against the ADL, the SPLC,
[01:07:17] YouTube, uh cultural victories against
[01:07:19] Netflix. Where do you guys want to see
[01:07:20] it to go? I mean, YouTube just uh took
[01:07:23] back our video with Alex Johnson and Joe
[01:07:25] Rugen, which is huge. By the way,
[01:07:26] YouTube, you still have a whole bunch of
[01:07:28] my videos deleted. I I would love them
[01:07:29] back, especially the ones with us
[01:07:31] talking with David Ike, predicting
[01:07:32] everything that happened that got taken
[01:07:34] down for CO misinformation about 10, 12
[01:07:36] years ago. That would be nice, too. But
[01:07:38] anyway, uh I'll leave you guys with that
[01:07:39] question. Thank you so much for having
[01:07:40] me.
[01:07:42] >> We'll have you back on. We'll have you
[01:07:43] back before we before we Thank you guys
[01:07:46] so much for having me. Learn consent.
[01:07:48] Uh, you need it. Hold on. Wait, wait,
[01:07:50] Blake. Let's get Let's get Ian in real
[01:07:52] quick.
[01:07:52] >> That's fair. That's fair.
[01:07:53] >> Thanks, guys. I was I was just standing
[01:07:54] there.
[01:07:55] >> Yeah, there's headphones right there.
[01:07:55] >> And by the way, Blake, you have uh there
[01:07:57] are headphones if you want them. And
[01:07:59] headphones here as well over this object
[01:08:02] upon my head.
[01:08:03] >> This this asteroid. What are you talking
[01:08:04] about?
[01:08:06] >> So, uh yeah, big news. Uh
[01:08:08] >> last night, Google who is this guy? It
[01:08:11] was this crazy character next to us
[01:08:12] here.
[01:08:13] >> I'm a space lord, man. Have you ever
[01:08:15] been to the moon, Jack? You think we've
[01:08:16] ever been to the moon? I I don't want to
[01:08:18] derail this.
[01:08:19] >> Have I been there? Have I been there? I
[01:08:20] I haven't been there today. Uh what?
[01:08:24] Earlier today.
[01:08:24] >> Yeah.
[01:08:25] >> Did you you went for lunch?
[01:08:26] >> Went there for donuts.
[01:08:27] >> Oh, yeah.
[01:08:27] >> You know, we're on the precipice of like
[01:08:28] a material science revolution. We're
[01:08:30] about to
[01:08:31] >> There's There's a Dunkin up there.
[01:08:32] There's Dunkin everywhere, bro.
[01:08:33] >> But it's not free donuts. You have to
[01:08:34] pay.
[01:08:34] >> I had to pay. Yeah.
[01:08:35] >> Moon bucks.
[01:08:36] >> Yeah. Moon bucks.
[01:08:36] >> Yeah. Well, let's talk about using
[01:08:37] authoritarian crackdowns on uh whatever.
[01:08:40] All right. Just on. There we go. Just on
[01:08:42] Ian.
[01:08:43] >> Wait. On what? On you or on us or on the
[01:08:45] show?
[01:08:45] >> Yeah. Everybody. Everyone.
[01:08:46] >> Look, man. I don't know what you're
[01:08:47] into, but we're not talking about
[01:08:48] gentle. I think it's a time for like
[01:08:50] virtue because you guys were talking
[01:08:51] about self-restraint a lot. That's
[01:08:52] actually temperance. It's one of the
[01:08:53] seven virtues.
[01:08:55] >> Um and and holding the virtue like the
[01:08:57] kindness that people inhibited and
[01:08:59] embodied after
[01:09:00] >> seven virtues. Here we go.
[01:09:02] >> Yeah. It was I mean there was a moment
[01:09:03] for people to rage and people just held
[01:09:06] back. They
[01:09:06] >> Well, so before we and I know you want
[01:09:09] to hit stuff, but so Ian, we're here.
[01:09:12] This is Charlie's studio and
[01:09:15] >> this is the chair of Charlie Kirk. This
[01:09:16] is the chair where he sat did his shows
[01:09:19] for for years day in day out, you know,
[01:09:21] when he was, you know, obviously here
[01:09:23] locally. Um, you could see some of the
[01:09:25] personal effects, himself, his children,
[01:09:28] um, that that he left. We haven't we
[01:09:29] haven't changed anything since since the
[01:09:31] last time he was sitting here. And you
[01:09:34] know, we talk about these things on a
[01:09:35] daily basis. Um, and and they get really
[01:09:38] real. They get real. Uh, Blake here was
[01:09:41] um standing about three steps away when
[01:09:44] when it all went down. Uh, a lot of the
[01:09:46] staff that's uh that's currently working
[01:09:48] were there with him that day. And, you
[01:09:51] know, we I don't want to like derail the
[01:09:54] vibe here, but it's it's it's real. What
[01:09:57] concerned me was at his funeral at the
[01:09:58] the memorial, you know, where everybody
[01:10:00] Trump was there, Steven Miller was
[01:10:01] there, and they I caught some clips
[01:10:03] where, you know, Erica's like truly
[01:10:05] experiencing a level of forgiveness,
[01:10:07] which comes from like kindness and
[01:10:08] humility, and those are virtues. And
[01:10:11] then Trump's like, I hate my opponents.
[01:10:12] Let me let me get this entire thought
[01:10:14] out before you chime in. I hate I hate
[01:10:16] my opponents, which is wrath, which is
[01:10:17] the sin opposite of patience, the
[01:10:20] virtue. And to exhibit sin, like if you
[01:10:23] live in virtue, you're you're living
[01:10:24] with Christ. you're like Christ. If you
[01:10:26] live in sin, you're like, well, you're
[01:10:28] antichrist. So to to you, everybody can
[01:10:31] exert a moment of antichrist behavior by
[01:10:34] embodying the sins. And when Stephen
[01:10:36] particular, I'd love to hang out with
[01:10:37] Steven Miller and talk about this cuz
[01:10:39] when he he issued a threat to all of our
[01:10:41] opponents, he he spoke and then he said,
[01:10:42] "And to all those that oppose us, you
[01:10:44] are hateful." But he was he was
[01:10:46] broadcasting this that that threat
[01:10:48] should have went on a on a direct
[01:10:49] channel to the opponent to for to
[01:10:51] broadcast a threat terrorizes the
[01:10:53] populace. So I I think we
[01:10:56] >> well I would argue the populace is
[01:10:57] currently being terrorized by the people
[01:10:58] killing Charlie
[01:10:59] >> and he was speaking to the he to those
[01:11:01] people who were listening they weren't
[01:11:02] being terrorised by him they were being
[01:11:03] comforted by
[01:11:04] >> it's like it's like saying in Minecraft
[01:11:05] you are a hateful person but and I'm
[01:11:08] saying well actually let me let me ask
[01:11:09] you this though but so you you you say
[01:11:11] that but Steven Miller and President
[01:11:15] Trump are both currently officials of
[01:11:18] the federal government and the Bible
[01:11:21] also tells us that in in Romans and many
[01:11:24] other places that it is the role of
[01:11:26] legitimate government to hold the sword,
[01:11:29] to wield the sword, and to use the sword
[01:11:32] for justice. So when he's talking about
[01:11:35] that, I'm looking at that as the role of
[01:11:38] the magistrate to enact justice for what
[01:11:42] was done to Charlie.
[01:11:43] >> I I do think that is the role. I don't I
[01:11:46] don't want to hear, but that to invoke
[01:11:47] hatred, which is wrath, a sin at that
[01:11:49] level. I don't think the magistrate
[01:11:51] needs to hate those that they destroy.
[01:11:52] just forgive them. They didn't realize
[01:11:54] the the danger they were tangling with.
[01:11:57] And
[01:11:57] >> well, I I I agree as it pertains to
[01:11:59] Trump, but not Steen Miller.
[01:12:01] >> And also, Trump is just going to talk
[01:12:03] the way Trump does. That's frankly just
[01:12:05] how it's going to be. Uh I don't know
[01:12:06] that we're ever You just can't really
[01:12:08] police the way Trump.
[01:12:09] >> Yeah. This at this point in the game.
[01:12:11] Yeah. He's not
[01:12:12] >> J says, but he did say of everything
[01:12:14] going on here. Thank you. But I wanted
[01:12:16] to add what going on. What does she
[01:12:17] >> Yeah, I'm not sure.
[01:12:19] >> But he did say I will I will admit I
[01:12:21] will admit that or I will add I should
[01:12:23] say that he did say I'm open to letting
[01:12:26] Erica convince me otherwise.
[01:12:27] >> That's why I bring it up because we're
[01:12:29] all capable of exhibiting Antichrist
[01:12:30] behaviors and we need to keep each other
[01:12:32] in check as we get more powerful and
[01:12:33] famous and well-loved. If if someone
[01:12:35] were to snap and then start embodying
[01:12:37] sin, they would in retrospect like that
[01:12:39] was the anti is just a guy exhibiting
[01:12:40] antichrist. But I think that's I think
[01:12:42] as what Jack is getting at, you know,
[01:12:44] you were saying you were happy that in
[01:12:46] the aftermath of this there was not an
[01:12:47] explosion of mostly peaceful protests as
[01:12:50] we might call them. Um, and I agree that
[01:12:53] that's a good thing. But I do think
[01:12:55] latent within that reaction is the
[01:12:58] trust, the premise that there are
[01:13:01] legitimate state ways of responding to
[01:13:04] this, that they will obviously punish
[01:13:06] the kill, find and punish the killer,
[01:13:08] and also that they will prevent future
[01:13:11] assassinations like this happening up to
[01:13:14] and including through, you know, coring
[01:13:16] these violently antisocial elements that
[01:13:20] want to kind of stoke lowle level
[01:13:23] political violence across America and
[01:13:25] put all of us at risk
[01:13:26] >> and asymmetric violence
[01:13:28] >> if they lose their confidence that that
[01:13:30] can occur. There will be people who will
[01:13:32] go in alternative more radical
[01:13:34] directions. And this is exactly what we
[01:13:35] were talking about last night on Timcast
[01:13:38] that what happens when the legitimate
[01:13:41] authority just on a practical level.
[01:13:43] What happens when a legitimate
[01:13:45] government does not rise to the level of
[01:13:47] that government does not provide for the
[01:13:50] safety of the people and then the people
[01:13:52] say all right if the government won't do
[01:13:55] it then I have to do it.
[01:13:56] >> Yeah. That'd be splinter into factional
[01:13:58] gang. We don't want that and that's what
[01:13:59] we don't want.
[01:14:00] >> We needed swift.
[01:14:01] >> Yeah. Well, I was thinking like let's
[01:14:02] imagine maybe like the alternative
[01:14:04] extreme scenario, the most extreme
[01:14:05] scenario possible.
[01:14:06] >> Hypothetical hypothetical hypothetical
[01:14:08] hypothe hypothetically. Let's say there
[01:14:10] was like a leftwing a radical leftwing
[01:14:12] president and this happened to Charlie
[01:14:14] and like the president came out and
[01:14:16] basically said like he deserves it and
[01:14:18] I'm going to sign a federal pardon for
[01:14:19] whoever did it
[01:14:20] >> which is similar to what Barack Obama
[01:14:23] actually said by the way after Charlie's
[01:14:25] murder. He you know he he's he he kind
[01:14:28] of gave the comment where you know this
[01:14:30] is terrible. shouldn't have happened. He
[01:14:31] goes, "But" and then he reads off this
[01:14:34] litany of things that Charlie actually
[01:14:36] had said on this show on Thought Crime
[01:14:39] and and but you know, twisted in such a
[01:14:41] way and totally decontextualized to
[01:14:44] remind his listeners and and by all by
[01:14:47] all intents, Barack Obama is the leader
[01:14:48] of the Democrat party. So, he's sort of
[01:14:51] saying, you know, hey, you shouldn't
[01:14:52] have done this, but he was a bad guy. He
[01:14:55] was a bad guy and you shouldn't be sad.
[01:14:56] You shouldn't be sad about it. They're
[01:14:58] cre so uh Joe Rogan brought this up when
[01:15:00] he said I think the people who hate
[01:15:03] Charlie think he was a bad guy and they
[01:15:04] think they were good guys and I counter
[01:15:06] with no they didn't know who Charlie was
[01:15:09] at all. That's why the lies work. They
[01:15:12] are told by their by their death cult
[01:15:14] what to believe and they say yes. So
[01:15:17] when Jimmy Kimmel goes on TV and says it
[01:15:19] was a MAGA guy who did it. They all go
[01:15:21] yes. And now when they're pled by
[01:15:23] Yuggov, what do they say? It was a
[01:15:25] right-winger who did it. I got this
[01:15:26] question I want to ask you guys
[01:15:28] particularly. Um, a commenter said,
[01:15:30] "Hey, maybe Charlie would have wanted
[01:15:32] the man that killed him to receive
[01:15:34] multiple life sentences so that he had
[01:15:36] an opportunity to atone in prison and
[01:15:40] find God and and and and really on his
[01:15:42] knee like and I I had just been like,
[01:15:44] "Oh, death penalty, death penalty." No
[01:15:46] question, death penalty. And now I'm
[01:15:47] like, would it be better if he was able
[01:15:49] to suffer? And and
[01:15:50] >> well, Blake, you know, you you you spent
[01:15:52] a lot of time with Charlie talking about
[01:15:54] this issue. you know what would and
[01:15:56] obviously you know Charlie had certain
[01:15:57] of an arc with with that you know where
[01:15:59] do where do you think he would be
[01:16:02] >> I mean it's an impossible question
[01:16:03] >> I don't think Charlie would admit to
[01:16:04] like conflicted feelings about it but as
[01:16:06] you said there was an arc he kind of
[01:16:08] earlier on he had you'll see this pretty
[01:16:10] commonly with especially like pro-life
[01:16:12] uh people on the right where they'll
[01:16:13] want they'll feel they want maximum
[01:16:15] consistency so they'll be opposed to
[01:16:17] abortion
[01:16:18] >> Pope Leo's comments pop Leo's comments
[01:16:20] yesterday were all about this
[01:16:21] >> right before he blessed ICE as it were
[01:16:23] no Wait, wait, wait, wait. I just want
[01:16:25] to contextualize this for people. I want
[01:16:26] to get I want to explain this. He wasn't
[01:16:29] blocking uh he wasn't just blessing a
[01:16:31] block of ice. It was a secret signal
[01:16:34] that he's blessing the ICE mission in
[01:16:37] America. Everybody missed this. I'm
[01:16:39] saying he's blessing.
[01:16:41] >> It's a big wink. He gives the big wink.
[01:16:43] Yeah. I want to bless Ice.
[01:16:46] >> Exactly. No. So, but then Charlie
[01:16:48] himself, I would argue with him about
[01:16:50] this because I would, you know, first of
[01:16:52] all, you you reject vengeance as a
[01:16:55] principle that why you would do this.
[01:16:56] But
[01:16:58] >> yeah, there are valid justifications for
[01:17:00] the death penalty and it's not merely
[01:17:02] that this individual person is
[01:17:04] dangerous. I feel the best argument in
[01:17:06] favor of capital punishment is that you
[01:17:08] have to show maximum levels of
[01:17:11] condemnation for the most destructive or
[01:17:13] evil acts in your society. to say
[01:17:16] something like this is so intolerable it
[01:17:18] will be ripped out of the body politic
[01:17:20] like the cancer that it is and I think
[01:17:22] political assassination which doesn't
[01:17:26] just you know end one life it threatens
[01:17:28] to basically destroy the country because
[01:17:30] we have a system that is based on
[01:17:32] nonviolent resolution of differences
[01:17:34] through debate through voting through
[01:17:36] argument and someone went and smashed
[01:17:39] that to bits with a rifle and
[01:17:42] I think Charlie was very was like very
[01:17:44] understanding of that that when you when
[01:17:47] a state he was coming to accept that
[01:17:49] that when you refuse to consider
[01:17:52] maximally severe penalties on the worst
[01:17:54] criminals, you're kind of exhibiting
[01:17:56] this general moral cowardice within your
[01:18:00] society and you're spreading it. Now,
[01:18:02] should the man have an opportunity to
[01:18:04] find God? Yes. But, you know, if he
[01:18:08] receives a proper trial and so forth, he
[01:18:10] will get all of those things far more
[01:18:12] than there are plenty of people, by the
[01:18:14] way, who are like police kill. They just
[01:18:16] are they're killed in the act, for
[01:18:17] example. Like, we will do lethal force
[01:18:19] to stop a criminal who is a danger to
[01:18:22] others, of course.
[01:18:23] >> And sometimes we do that and actually we
[01:18:25] end up killing someone who is actually
[01:18:27] not currently a threat to others. We we
[01:18:29] accept the need to sometimes mistakenly
[01:18:33] kill somebody in order to have the
[01:18:35] general principle of protecting the
[01:18:36] public.
[01:18:37] >> There's even something much more simpler
[01:18:39] than this. If he got the death penalty,
[01:18:41] it would take 20 years. He'd have
[01:18:42] >> Well, that's bad though. I would I would
[01:18:44] strongly encourage us to find a way to
[01:18:46] reform that. Like no one who does
[01:18:48] something like a political assassination
[01:18:50] where like if you're able to prove their
[01:18:53] guilt, I suspect it will not be in any
[01:18:54] serious doubt. You know, if you need to
[01:18:57] accelerate it, if you need full-time
[01:18:58] legal proceedings to make sure this is
[01:19:00] all done and dusted in two years, in
[01:19:02] three years, make it happen.
[01:19:04] >> Right. But but but but functionally
[01:19:06] right now, if he got the death penalty,
[01:19:07] he'd be in jail for 10 years.
[01:19:08] >> But we should we should definitely work
[01:19:09] on getting rid of that. But because one,
[01:19:11] that would actually make the death
[01:19:12] penalty itself more effective. We should
[01:19:14] never have someone getting executed
[01:19:16] where we need to trot out 30-year-old
[01:19:18] newspaper articles to remind them of why
[01:19:20] they were. And so in 1901 when an
[01:19:23] anarchosocialist uh murdered President
[01:19:26] McKinley, um that
[01:19:30] anarchocialist, the assassin was
[01:19:32] executed in the electric chair just 45
[01:19:35] days after killing President McKinley.
[01:19:38] >> You know,
[01:19:38] >> that was that was 1901.
[01:19:40] >> There's a there's a challenge in the in
[01:19:43] the in in the structure of our society,
[01:19:45] its size really. I was watching what was
[01:19:48] that 1912 or whatever that show is. I
[01:19:50] don't know, 1917 or something, and
[01:19:51] there's a scene where someone gets
[01:19:53] accused of pickpocking, pickpocketing.
[01:19:55] So, they just grab the guy and string
[01:19:57] him up and kill him on the spot. That's
[01:19:59] how it used to be back in the day.
[01:20:00] Probably not, though, actually. Like, I
[01:20:03] think there's there's like an image
[01:20:04] people have of the past and it's very
[01:20:06] mediated by like the media as it were.
[01:20:09] And it can give you a mistaken
[01:20:11] impression of how it generally worked.
[01:20:13] Like, we did in fact have a criminal
[01:20:14] justice system in 1912. Someone might
[01:20:16] get lynched in a rushed way, and that
[01:20:19] was bad. And that's why we would have
[01:20:20] campaigns against lynching. But like the
[01:20:22] criminal justice system, there's a big
[01:20:23] difference between even 45 days and
[01:20:26] immediately.
[01:20:27] >> But think about the structure of
[01:20:28] evidence back in the day. You're not you
[01:20:30] have no forensics. It was just did
[01:20:32] someone see it happen or not? And do we
[01:20:33] trust the person? And people could lie
[01:20:35] or otherwise. It's actually uh
[01:20:37] >> well in in the case of of um the uh the
[01:20:41] McKinley's assassin, this was done, I
[01:20:43] believe it was the World Expo in
[01:20:44] Buffalo. So I mean he was in front of,
[01:20:47] you know, he he was a receiving line.
[01:20:48] walked up with a gun.
[01:20:49] >> So for this community that all watched
[01:20:51] it happen,
[01:20:52] >> real easy to just
[01:20:53] >> and also like Lee Harvey Oswald, they
[01:20:55] they got him within day a day or
[01:20:57] something of Kennedy's and then Jack
[01:20:58] Ruby, the guy that killed him, got
[01:21:00] killed even right after that. Like who
[01:21:01] knows, maybe they were covering trails
[01:21:03] killed Oswald and then got
[01:21:05] >> and then got killed. So
[01:21:06] >> he died of cancer.
[01:21:07] >> No, he No, no, he died of cancer.
[01:21:09] >> And we know the CIA has a has a a cancer
[01:21:11] gun I think was revealed in the church.
[01:21:13] Yeah, but to use a recent example like
[01:21:15] Dylan Roof, I think America would have
[01:21:18] less racial trauma, less political
[01:21:20] trauma in it. If Dylan Roof instead of
[01:21:22] sitting on death row to this day,
[01:21:24] occasionally writing letters to people
[01:21:26] and stuff that come out and like cause
[01:21:27] discord like what if Dylan Roof had just
[01:21:29] been executed eight months after that
[01:21:31] shooting in Charleston? I think that
[01:21:33] would have made America a lot better
[01:21:34] place. The issue I have before I think
[01:21:37] conservatives
[01:21:39] >> typically come from a world a worldview
[01:21:41] that we are in a country that is a
[01:21:44] community
[01:21:45] >> when I think what we saw you know 3
[01:21:48] weeks ago shows that we are not that
[01:21:49] there are people who do not live in the
[01:21:51] same country as we do despite occupying
[01:21:52] similar land and I do not want to give
[01:21:54] these power these people the power to
[01:21:56] execute who they see fit. I don't think
[01:21:58] Kla Harris having the right to execute
[01:22:00] people is a good idea by any stretch. So
[01:22:03] if the argument
[01:22:04] >> if she were elected president, she would
[01:22:06] have the ability to do that.
[01:22:08] >> She would
[01:22:08] >> under the current law. Yes.
[01:22:10] >> So my point is once again, if everyone
[01:22:12] in the country held the moral worldview
[01:22:14] of Charlie Kirk, we don't even need the
[01:22:16] laws. We don't even need police. In the
[01:22:18] country we have now, the argument for
[01:22:21] the creation of a uh mechanization of
[01:22:24] the state to kill means that you've got
[01:22:26] all the Soros DAS going like, let's
[01:22:28] start killing people. That's the
[01:22:29] challenge I have with it. Well, but I
[01:22:32] mean that you know I think I believe New
[01:22:33] York State still has death penalty. I
[01:22:35] don't believe so. Oh, okay. Well, then I
[01:22:37] know California does.
[01:22:38] >> Yeah. Though effective more
[01:22:40] >> but that's my point. My point is that
[01:22:41] that in in these areas where you have
[01:22:44] Soros DAS or uh you know Soros control
[01:22:46] over huge swasts of territory. Uh these
[01:22:48] are the very same policies where they're
[01:22:50] not doing that.
[01:22:51] >> The reason I brought up OS because I
[01:22:52] feel like they hushed it up. They didn't
[01:22:54] want like this guy that's sitting in
[01:22:55] prisoner now that killed Charlie that uh
[01:22:57] what it was allegedly the evidence seems
[01:22:59] to point to. He might come out and tell
[01:23:01] us something that was like what and have
[01:23:04] evidence like well he he'll get a trial.
[01:23:07] He will get he will get a fair trial. Um
[01:23:09] if he has mitigating factors if he if he
[01:23:12] was you know if if there is something
[01:23:14] else that that we don't know about yet
[01:23:16] he will have the opportunity to present
[01:23:17] that.
[01:23:17] >> I have a theory for you guys.
[01:23:20] This guy is a pathy who worked with
[01:23:23] leftists. There was there there's a
[01:23:26] appears to be evidence of coordination.
[01:23:28] Now, I'm not going to say that this is
[01:23:29] something I I truly believe, just a
[01:23:31] thought. What happens if the evidence
[01:23:34] comes out that that communication
[01:23:37] between him and his furry boyfriend
[01:23:39] seems very scripted and this has caused
[01:23:41] a lot of people to start pushing
[01:23:42] conspiracy theories. Matt Walsh, I
[01:23:44] think, had the the best point in that it
[01:23:46] looks like he wrote this to create
[01:23:48] reasonable doubt so that it could uh be
[01:23:50] used as exculpatory evidence for the
[01:23:52] boyfriend who was actually involved.
[01:23:55] What happens if in three months the
[01:23:56] boyfriend's like, "Oh, by the way,
[01:23:58] here's the proof I didn't do it. I I did
[01:24:00] this so that the real killers could
[01:24:01] escape."
[01:24:03] >> You know, it's all Wait, wait. The the
[01:24:06] text messages were to prevent
[01:24:09] >> So Matt Walsh's theory, I agree with him
[01:24:11] on this, but I want to give him credit
[01:24:12] for it. The messages that came out from
[01:24:14] the FBI between the alleged assassin and
[01:24:17] the boyfriend
[01:24:18] >> have no typos and are written like
[01:24:20] theater kids, like it's a script. and
[01:24:23] liberals have come out saying this
[01:24:24] proves the FBI faked it like the
[01:24:26] conspiracy theorists. Then there's just
[01:24:28] general conspiracy theories that that's
[01:24:29] not real. The FBI faked it. I don't
[01:24:31] think that's the case at all. Especially
[01:24:33] knowing cash Matt Walsh said what likely
[01:24:36] happened is the assassin wrote this fake
[01:24:39] set of messages to the boyfriend so that
[01:24:41] in the event of a criminal trial where
[01:24:43] they bring charges against the boyfriend
[01:24:44] who coordinated and helped the
[01:24:45] assassination, they're going to show
[01:24:47] these messages to the jury and say
[01:24:49] reasonable doubt. The messages show the
[01:24:51] boyfriend had nothing to do with it.
[01:24:53] >> You're saying if the boyfriend himself
[01:24:54] was on trial?
[01:24:55] >> Yeah. So, the idea being
[01:24:56] >> No, no, I get that. Okay. I'm just I'm
[01:24:58] just being clear.
[01:24:58] >> There appears to be evidence of
[01:24:59] coordination.
[01:25:00] >> Right. No, no, no. I I I saying I'm just
[01:25:02] making sure I'm following the the the
[01:25:03] theory you're presenting because, you
[01:25:06] know, I' I've seen as well that um and
[01:25:08] if you read some of the Daily Mail
[01:25:09] reporting that's gone out on this, you
[01:25:11] know, these ideas that actually they
[01:25:13] were saying that it was the boyfriend
[01:25:14] who was was more antisocial, uh that he
[01:25:17] was, you know, people referring to him.
[01:25:19] And again, this is just based on their
[01:25:21] reporting. I don't have any direct uh
[01:25:23] knowledge of this, so you know, they
[01:25:25] could be wrong, right? And and that in
[01:25:27] fact he was far more political than uh
[01:25:31] Tyler Robinson had been. And in fact,
[01:25:34] people are saying that he it was them
[01:25:36] living together as roommates that really
[01:25:39] kind of corrupted Robinson. And so
[01:25:41] there's questions of, you know, did he
[01:25:43] pull him into this group and do all
[01:25:46] this? Now, by the way, though, none of
[01:25:48] that None of that changes the fact of
[01:25:51] who was on the on the roof and who
[01:25:53] pulled the trigger. None of that changes
[01:25:54] that. Now, again, by assuming that all
[01:25:57] the evidence is true, et
[01:25:59] here's here's here's there's another
[01:26:01] theory that the boyfriend's actually the
[01:26:02] the assassin.
[01:26:03] >> Uh wearing a disguise, they're both of
[01:26:05] similar height, gate, build, appearance.
[01:26:08] There is a theory that the boyfriend is
[01:26:10] actually the one who did it. And then uh
[01:26:13] the the challenge, so here's what I
[01:26:14] think. I think largely it was a
[01:26:16] coordinated group of leftists. That's
[01:26:18] that that explains the Discord chats. It
[01:26:20] explains the fornowledge that was
[01:26:21] presented. It explains the weird nature
[01:26:24] of this message. And they didn't catch
[01:26:27] the guy until well after
[01:26:29] >> 30 33 hours or something,
[01:26:31] >> right? And so again, I don't know, but
[01:26:33] one of the theories we've seen the photo
[01:26:35] of the dude in the in the in the um the
[01:26:37] Dairy Queen.
[01:26:39] >> There's a lot of really cookie
[01:26:40] conspiracy theories about palm guns and
[01:26:42] trap doors and Exactly. However, what if
[01:26:46] the real shooter is the roommate? The
[01:26:48] script that the messages were scripted
[01:26:50] to create exculpatory a fake exculpatory
[01:26:52] evidence and this is they coordinate.
[01:26:55] >> Then he's an accessory. Fry him.
[01:26:57] >> He's still an accessory. But either way,
[01:26:59] the accessory to murder is full murder.
[01:27:01] Definitely.
[01:27:02] >> I don't think I'm saying if there's a
[01:27:04] coordinated network, we've got a very
[01:27:06] very serious problem. And I believe
[01:27:07] that's
[01:27:08] >> and obviously and by the way, you know,
[01:27:10] you'd still of course need to
[01:27:12] >> you'd need to present that in court. You
[01:27:14] need to present evidence of all right,
[01:27:16] you know, are there are there
[01:27:17] fingerprints? Are there, you know, who
[01:27:19] had access to the gun? And by the way,
[01:27:21] that that you know, Tyler Robinson, the
[01:27:23] fact that it was again his father's gun,
[01:27:26] you know, originally the grandfathers
[01:27:27] would, you know, father in control of
[01:27:28] it. um that
[01:27:31] you know this this the fact that you
[01:27:33] know you you have to say okay was the
[01:27:35] boyfriend physically you know cuz there
[01:27:37] was about what 3 hours away you know so
[01:27:39] was he physically anywhere present can
[01:27:41] we can we prove that you got to prove it
[01:27:43] that's all I'm saying they had uh a
[01:27:45] bunch of vehicles came to their house in
[01:27:47] the uh was it in the week prior cash is
[01:27:50] investigating that he's investigating
[01:27:51] the Discord servers they're invest and
[01:27:53] and he's publicly stated this this is
[01:27:54] not a conspiracy he's investigating
[01:27:56] these people who allegedly who appeared
[01:27:58] to have for knowledge.
[01:27:59] >> And thank God he is.
[01:28:00] >> I agreed. Agreed. Uh so it's fascinating
[01:28:02] when the conspiracy theories come out.
[01:28:03] I'm like, "Guys,
[01:28:05] there is a conspiracy. It appears, you
[01:28:07] know, Cash is literally telling you he's
[01:28:09] tracking all of these things." I think
[01:28:11] we're going to find that there's more
[01:28:12] leftists involved in this. It was it was
[01:28:14] >> Why did you tweet this? What did you
[01:28:15] know? And and and let's be frank, by the
[01:28:17] way. So I saw there were some Discords
[01:28:19] that came out that that uh an account
[01:28:21] that has been associated with Tyler
[01:28:23] Robinson was but it was more of like a
[01:28:25] gamer chat. Think about the people who
[01:28:28] use Discord. All right. Are you really
[01:28:30] just in one room?
[01:28:31] >> Yeah. I know. It's like there was in
[01:28:33] several. You have several.
[01:28:34] >> I've never heard of one person just in
[01:28:36] one room. I've never heard of that.
[01:28:37] >> Yeah. So, it's like you they're like,
[01:28:38] "Oh, well, this Discord was apolitical."
[01:28:40] Yeah. Because it was the apolitical like
[01:28:42] guys in my high school who play Halo
[01:28:43] chat. Yeah. Exactly.
[01:28:44] >> And then you can also just join the I
[01:28:46] am, you know, a transgender lunatic on,
[01:28:49] you know, doing
[01:28:50] >> terrible. Then then where's the so
[01:28:52] where's the furry chat and where's the
[01:28:54] furry porn extreme furry porn chat that
[01:28:59] this guy was looking at which included
[01:29:00] by the way depictions of like children
[01:29:03] or what they call cub porn
[01:29:06] >> these people
[01:29:06] >> in in furry parlance which is a a term
[01:29:09] that I I happen to know now
[01:29:10] >> and if you have been on Discord you will
[01:29:12] know transgender people are lunatics
[01:29:14] like they're just they're they're
[01:29:16] extremists and they take over things so
[01:29:18] you can join some group that's related
[01:29:21] to something totally different, some
[01:29:22] game series, some hobby, but like the
[01:29:25] moderator will take it over and there'll
[01:29:26] be, you know, some sort of furry or
[01:29:28] transgender thing, and then now the logo
[01:29:30] of your group has a permanent pride flag
[01:29:32] in the background. Uh, a very funny
[01:29:34] example of this is like the the NFL
[01:29:36] subreddit on Reddit like has permanent
[01:29:39] like, you know, the full trans pride
[01:29:41] flag is like still still waving on it
[01:29:43] right now in their center icon.
[01:29:45] >> Is that true? I'm looking that up. I'm
[01:29:46] gonna
[01:29:46] >> I'm looking that up right now
[01:29:49] >> on Reddit.
[01:29:50] >> Got NFL subreddit.
[01:29:53] >> I I have a I'll ask another
[01:29:55] >> I I don't I don't disbelieve you, but
[01:29:56] I've just I'm I have to see this.
[01:29:59] >> While you guys are pulling up, just jump
[01:30:00] on the NFL subreddit.
[01:30:02] >> It's It's the main NFL subreddit. You
[01:30:03] got to use the old form rather than the
[01:30:05] new form, which is what everyone prefers
[01:30:06] anyway. What do you mean the old?
[01:30:07] >> Look at it.
[01:30:12] >> It's right there.
[01:30:13] >> It's just Isaac Newton's uh prism light.
[01:30:15] And then if you want to I have it pulled
[01:30:18] up actually.
[01:30:18] >> And there you go. It's it's like games
[01:30:21] that are like on right now that they're
[01:30:23] that they're referring to.
[01:30:24] >> Yep.
[01:30:25] >> Right here.
[01:30:25] >> Yeah. I think any ideology that takes
[01:30:27] over a system is probably
[01:30:29] >> right there. Right there in the middle
[01:30:31] of it. The got the all the colors you
[01:30:33] have
[01:30:34] >> and then it's and right in the first top
[01:30:35] and the top thread there is Thursday
[01:30:37] Night Football.
[01:30:38] >> Who why why why are people watching
[01:30:39] football, man? Watch baseball.
[01:30:41] >> Dudes are ramming into each other.
[01:30:42] >> Baseball's much better, but baseball's
[01:30:44] better. So the fries like it
[01:30:46] baseball is better like when the
[01:30:47] Phillies defeat the Dodgers on Saturday.
[01:30:50] >> Baseball's like playing. It's like pool.
[01:30:51] No wonder you like it. It's more like
[01:30:53] accuracy.
[01:30:54] >> I I believe the Cubs did win actually. I
[01:30:55] just saw that. And then shout out to the
[01:30:57] Cubs by the way because that was uh that
[01:30:59] was Charlie's team.
[01:30:59] >> Moral question about
[01:31:00] >> exe. But you know when you I when you
[01:31:04] leave Chicago it's like the Cubs are
[01:31:06] your brother. So you can rag on them
[01:31:08] when you're in town but when you're out
[01:31:09] of town
[01:31:10] >> they're your team.
[01:31:10] >> No Cubs.
[01:31:11] >> That's right. So, with capital
[01:31:12] punishment, um, some people were like,
[01:31:15] or at least across my mind, public
[01:31:16] executions, we've kind of gotten rid of
[01:31:18] them in society because maybe they do
[01:31:19] more harm than good. And I, at first I
[01:31:21] was like, does this guy deserve to be
[01:31:23] lit up? Like,
[01:31:23] >> is that true?
[01:31:24] >> In front of groups. But my concern would
[01:31:26] be that the video would be taken of it
[01:31:28] and then that would re replicate 100
[01:31:30] million times online for little kids
[01:31:31] would see it and they'd go even crazier
[01:31:33] and it would do like
[01:31:34] >> public execution.
[01:31:35] >> So, this is actually, it's funny. I'm
[01:31:37] looking I'm looking at Blake because
[01:31:39] this thing that you're talking about is
[01:31:41] one of the things that people have been
[01:31:43] using to smear Charlie about that he
[01:31:45] said on this program. I don't remember
[01:31:48] the date.
[01:31:49] >> No, we were we were debating we were
[01:31:51] having this debate
[01:31:52] >> and then on top of that we also brought
[01:31:54] up I I brought up what I've argued
[01:31:55] before. I was like, "Well, yeah, the
[01:31:57] death penalty is not a very good
[01:31:58] deterrent now because it's a thing that
[01:32:00] is done a handful of times 30 years
[01:32:03] after the fact." And I said, "If you're
[01:32:05] going to do it properly, like it should
[01:32:06] be swift. It should be pretty
[01:32:08] consistently applied for certain
[01:32:10] crimes." So, it's like if you do
[01:32:12] assassination, if you do multiple
[01:32:14] murders, like you will, barring extreme
[01:32:16] mitigating circumstances, get the death
[01:32:18] penalty. And then one of the things I
[01:32:20] argued is it should arguably be done
[01:32:21] like in public in some way. like people
[01:32:24] should be able to see justice being
[01:32:26] >> and Blake what did you say and then I
[01:32:28] suggest what do we say so Charlie says I
[01:32:32] think it should and then Charlie had
[01:32:33] said uh televised right
[01:32:35] >> yeah he was like they should televise it
[01:32:38] and then and then Blake added
[01:32:40] >> and then he threw out he's like and what
[01:32:41] age like should we have people watch and
[01:32:43] I threw out I was like
[01:32:45] >> maybe 12
[01:32:46] >> 12
[01:32:46] >> and my to explain my thinking is we have
[01:32:49] people in like DC for example where if
[01:32:51] you have you heard about the carjackings
[01:32:53] going on DC people who do this are
[01:32:55] heavily minors because if you are 20
[01:32:58] years old and carjack someone you
[01:32:59] trigger like the federal carjacking
[01:33:01] offense
[01:33:02] but
[01:33:04] you know a 13-year-old is involved in a
[01:33:06] shooting 13 and carjacking 13
[01:33:08] >> you guys are you guys are wrong
[01:33:10] >> you're wrongy
[01:33:14] are doing carjacking let me no no no no
[01:33:16] let me let me tell you I can't speak for
[01:33:18] the rest of the country I can tell you
[01:33:20] in Chicago the urban violence that we
[01:33:22] have would not be solved or mitigated in
[01:33:24] any way by public executions or death
[01:33:25] penalty.
[01:33:25] >> I know what you're going to say.
[01:33:26] >> You you do because I've talked about it
[01:33:28] before and you're going to agree with
[01:33:30] me. Maybe he won't.
[01:33:31] >> Uh no, no, no. This is
[01:33:33] >> So, uh where I grew up, these a lot of
[01:33:36] the shootings you get in Chicago are
[01:33:38] about dishonor. So, I I went night
[01:33:41] crawling with a journalist once and we
[01:33:42] there's like five corpses. They were uh
[01:33:44] one house was an old lady who got shot
[01:33:46] because three dudes pulled up and
[01:33:47] unloaded switches, sprayed in the house.
[01:33:50] They were looking for a dude who went on
[01:33:51] Snapchat and called a guy's girlfriend
[01:33:53] nasty or ratchet or something.
[01:33:56] Death penalty doesn't scare these guys
[01:33:58] because
[01:34:00] they just they they want to go hard. If
[01:34:03] you take these urban criminals and the
[01:34:06] penalty is they have to put on a diaper
[01:34:08] and a baby bonnet with a pacifier and
[01:34:10] hop like a bunny down Roosevelt Avenue,
[01:34:13] literally straight down it for like 12
[01:34:15] miles while everyone lines up and films
[01:34:17] it and they have to say I'm a big baby
[01:34:19] boo over and over again. They'd stop
[01:34:21] committing crimes overnight. And I'm not
[01:34:23] exa I know it's a silly thought and it's
[01:34:24] meant to be kind of silly. My point is
[01:34:27] if you tell them that you will dishonor
[01:34:28] them for life, they will hide from you
[01:34:30] and they will run in fear and they'll do
[01:34:32] everything they can to avoid.
[01:34:33] >> So you're saying public humiliation? I'm
[01:34:35] totally for that. By the way, my general
[01:34:37] I've often advocated like you know I'll
[01:34:40] joke this is less of a serious thing but
[01:34:42] I've pointed out it could work cuz the
[01:34:43] left always says abolish prisons, right?
[01:34:45] >> And I'm like you could abolish prison
[01:34:46] like a lot of prisons if you basically
[01:34:48] just had a situation where you replace
[01:34:51] prison where on the low end severe
[01:34:53] public humiliation. So your first
[01:34:55] defense will like flog you in public or
[01:34:57] make you wear a diaper. All of that
[01:34:59] flogging, bro. That makes them harder.
[01:35:01] But for
[01:35:02] >> flogging, getting flogged like on your
[01:35:03] butt, on your bare butt is pretty
[01:35:05] humiliating.
[01:35:06] >> These guys are going to
[01:35:07] >> to to a certain degree. But getting
[01:35:09] beaten, anything that makes them hard.
[01:35:12] They like
[01:35:12] >> But the thing is is
[01:35:13] >> like they they don't say, "I don't want
[01:35:15] to go to jail." They say, "When I'm not
[01:35:16] kidding on the southside, they say when
[01:35:18] I go to jail, I will do this. When I go
[01:35:21] to jail, I will do that. If this happens
[01:35:22] to me, I will do that." They brag about
[01:35:24] how they might get the death penalty.
[01:35:25] >> The reason you don't brag when you get
[01:35:27] flogged is if you're getting flogged
[01:35:28] properly, you start screaming really
[01:35:31] loudly while it happens because it's
[01:35:33] extremely painful.
[01:35:34] >> I I know you're saying that, dude, but
[01:35:35] these guys shoot each other for less.
[01:35:37] They know they will get shot for less in
[01:35:40] public. They don't care.
[01:35:42] >> Well, Blake Blake Blake was talking
[01:35:44] about a spectrum, so let's let's say
[01:35:46] spectrum, which is Yeah. At the low end,
[01:35:47] you could humiliate someone in various
[01:35:50] ways. And I do think flogging would
[01:35:51] actually be pretty humiliating.
[01:35:53] >> And then the higher end would be things
[01:35:55] like, "Oh, we're going to chemically
[01:35:56] castrate you because you are a habitual
[01:35:58] offender." That could be or, you know,
[01:36:00] literally castrate them, either option.
[01:36:02] And then at the high end, death penalty.
[01:36:04] And then you would basically be able to
[01:36:05] get rid of
[01:36:06] >> vast majority of prisons if you had that
[01:36:08] level of escalation.
[01:36:09] >> Chicago.
[01:36:10] >> Well, you know, maybe Chicago, we should
[01:36:12] just uh
[01:36:12] >> I can't speak for Baltimore.
[01:36:13] >> Build a wall around it and not let
[01:36:15] anyone leave. So if you if you if you if
[01:36:19] you go to Chicago,
[01:36:20] >> you in in these neighborhoods, you get
[01:36:22] the death penalty for saying f you.
[01:36:24] These guys do not fear being killed.
[01:36:26] They're listless, purposeless, and they
[01:36:28] are killed for much less than the crimes
[01:36:30] you're describing. They will they will
[01:36:32] they like watch Nick Shirley's got a
[01:36:34] great video where he goes to uh gang
[01:36:35] territory. They all carry around guns
[01:36:37] and they're like, "You'll die for being
[01:36:39] in the wrong neighborhood." The death
[01:36:40] penalty for crossing the wrong street.
[01:36:42] The flogging. I'll tell you this.
[01:36:45] Agreed. But it's got to be a guy uh it's
[01:36:49] got to be a middle- class white dad
[01:36:50] looking guy and he's got to be
[01:36:52] delivering the flogging with a guy bent
[01:36:54] over his lap while he wears a baby
[01:36:55] bonnet and a diaper.
[01:36:56] >> Here's another here's another thing
[01:36:58] that's going to be very very offensive,
[01:36:59] but I guarantee you will make these guys
[01:37:00] avoid doing crime.
[01:37:03] Two guys who are accused of committing
[01:37:05] violent crime have to kiss each other in
[01:37:06] public.
[01:37:08] >> These dudes love
[01:37:11] that. Can we get that video? Is there
[01:37:13] too much swearing in that video? We
[01:37:14] should get the sug
[01:37:18] We're on YouTube right now.
[01:37:20] >> You took two gangbangers who are accused
[01:37:22] of serious violent crimes and you said
[01:37:24] we're going to put you on stage at Grant
[01:37:26] Park and you're going to kiss. They'd be
[01:37:28] like, "I'm going to Canada. I'm going to
[01:37:30] It's like It's like I'm I'm booting and
[01:37:32] thugging or something." I can't
[01:37:33] remember.
[01:37:34] >> I'm half kidding about the kissing
[01:37:35] thing. The the hopping down Roosevelt
[01:37:37] wearing a diaper and a baby bonnet with
[01:37:38] a pacifier. Guaranteed it would work.
[01:37:40] stockades
[01:37:41] >> with this situation with Charlie's
[01:37:43] death. I I felt like the best the best
[01:37:46] like defense of it ever happening,
[01:37:47] something like this ever happening, was
[01:37:48] that it was the movement was impervious.
[01:37:51] >> Now it's quirking and thugging.
[01:37:53] >> The movement was it wasn't derailed by
[01:37:56] Charlie's death. We're still it's still
[01:37:57] moving if not even stronger than before.
[01:37:59] So the obviously Charlie's loss is like
[01:38:03] I mean in incalculable.
[01:38:04] >> I have a question for you. I'll finish
[01:38:06] your thoughts. Sorry. know that if we
[01:38:08] break down into violence and start
[01:38:09] attacking in response that that's the
[01:38:11] response they want. I heard you guys
[01:38:12] talking about rule for rules for
[01:38:14] radicals earlier.
[01:38:14] >> I I have a question. Um
[01:38:17] what do you think is more cruel? You
[01:38:19] know, we we say no cruel and unusual
[01:38:21] punishment. What is more cruel?
[01:38:24] Putting someone in prison for 20 years
[01:38:27] or putting them in prison for two years,
[01:38:31] but while they're in prison, it's a
[01:38:34] glass front. everyone can watch and they
[01:38:36] have to wear a baby bonnet and a diaper
[01:38:38] the whole time they're in prison which
[01:38:40] is more cruel. 20 years in prison and
[01:38:42] you guys can't answer this too. Or two
[01:38:43] years with a glass front everyone can
[01:38:45] walk by. It's in the middle of downtown
[01:38:46] Chicago. People walk by. They can point
[01:38:48] and you got to do
[01:38:49] >> what if we contracted with Mr. Beast and
[01:38:51] like he let Beast contestants like
[01:38:54] torment the prisoner in various ways
[01:38:56] like Mr. So and so donated $10,000. You
[01:38:59] don't get a toilet for the next
[01:39:00] >> only only if Mr. Beast has to go first.
[01:39:03] Actually, actually, but but no. So, what
[01:39:06] what do you think?
[01:39:07] >> Just because of
[01:39:08] >> what's more cruel
[01:39:09] >> all of it. If the guy had a 20 years
[01:39:11] sentence legitimately, it would be the
[01:39:13] humiliating seeing them through the
[01:39:14] glass. Like, if it was two different
[01:39:15] dudes.
[01:39:16] >> So, I'm saying it was one guy,
[01:39:17] >> but you're taking 20 years.
[01:39:19] >> The court says you can go to prison for
[01:39:21] if they put him in the hole, that's more
[01:39:22] cruel than usual.
[01:39:23] >> 20 years in a supermax prison or two
[01:39:25] years, but anybody's you're going to be
[01:39:27] in public and you got to dress like a
[01:39:28] baby.
[01:39:29] >> Which which is more cruel?
[01:39:30] >> Probably
[01:39:32] 20 years. I feel like we'd be at serious
[01:39:34] risk that they would just embrace the
[01:39:35] baby aesthetic. Like we would have a
[01:39:37] gang called the baby. Like they would
[01:39:39] wear they would all wear diapers in
[01:39:40] public all the time.
[01:39:41] >> Torture just doesn't work.
[01:39:42] >> Like torture. Like I'm just going to say
[01:39:45] urban culture is pretty good at making
[01:39:47] things cool.
[01:39:47] >> Torture. Torture existed for probably
[01:39:50] all of human history until like 80 years
[01:39:52] ago or something.
[01:39:53] >> This is really important for you guys.
[01:39:54] The Chicago gangs are all Catholics.
[01:39:57] >> What? The popes. The disciples.
[01:40:00] I'm not kidding. Um uh what are they?
[01:40:03] Yeah. They they they tend to have
[01:40:04] Catholic
[01:40:05] >> accolades or something.
[01:40:06] >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh maybe
[01:40:07] >> something switched and this is a little
[01:40:09] >> there's a bunch of different popes too.
[01:40:10] >> I'm zooming out when in like once we
[01:40:12] developed television and we were able to
[01:40:13] record our own behavior and see how how
[01:40:15] some of the stuff like beating women on
[01:40:17] it used to be cool on like a movie Shan
[01:40:18] Connor would smack a girl but and then
[01:40:20] we were like hold on maybe now that we
[01:40:22] can see it from a distance we realize
[01:40:23] this aspect of our humanity has got to
[01:40:25] change. Just culture in general is like
[01:40:27] stop hitting women on TV. And um torture
[01:40:30] is another thing. Torture now that we
[01:40:31] can see the repercussions of it like
[01:40:34] >> we've kind of pulled back on torture
[01:40:35] with the Geneva Convention and
[01:40:37] industrial torture.
[01:40:38] >> Striking women on TV is now comedy. I'm
[01:40:41] not kidding. Family Guy does it all the
[01:40:42] time.
[01:40:43] >> Okay. As in comedy, you can pull it off,
[01:40:45] but like you know, you're less than me.
[01:40:48] That energy is kind of like let's let's
[01:40:50] not do that anymore.
[01:40:50] >> Like they have a whole whole bit of Liam
[01:40:52] Niss like beating some woman.
[01:40:54] >> Racism's kind of starting to vanish
[01:40:56] since the 50s and 60s since television.
[01:40:57] Not since DEI and wokeness emerged,
[01:40:59] >> but it started to ch really like the
[01:41:01] whole world started to change when we
[01:41:03] saw ourselves from a distance.
[01:41:05] >> Um,
[01:41:05] >> what do you who did
[01:41:07] >> the just the way we behind looked at the
[01:41:09] earth and was like ah
[01:41:10] >> that too we saw the earth from a
[01:41:12] distance. But you're saying that you're
[01:41:14] saying that that television because it's
[01:41:17] so much more persuasive than print uh
[01:41:20] especially on a mass scale and and even
[01:41:23] more so than radio because it's visual
[01:41:25] that uh the advent of television and the
[01:41:28] mass spread of television in from a
[01:41:30] commercial level on a personal level uh
[01:41:32] particularly in the 1950s and then that
[01:41:34] it may have led a sort of uh seated the
[01:41:38] ground for the counterculture of the
[01:41:40] 1960s and the cultural revolution that
[01:41:43] we saw in the United States
[01:41:44] >> and in China probably Ma's cultural
[01:41:46] revolution kind of coincided with
[01:41:48] particularly radio lot there's not a lot
[01:41:49] of video of that radio yes
[01:41:50] >> radio because that was like the first
[01:41:52] step is all audio recording just records
[01:41:54] in general and then Hitler used it
[01:41:56] obviously to massform an entire society
[01:41:58] for whatever purpose he had and then by
[01:42:02] the way I am I am told to say happy
[01:42:05] birthday to uh Chris so uh it's Chris's
[01:42:09] birthday out there he's a big fan
[01:42:11] >> a big fan and good And I just want to
[01:42:14] And I just want to say, hey, Chris,
[01:42:16] happy birthday. Feliz Na'viad.
[01:42:18] >> Happy birthday, Chris. The reason I
[01:42:19] brought up is because if you could Oh,
[01:42:20] this is such a horrible thing to say out
[01:42:22] loud. Torture someone in in a deep fake
[01:42:24] so they don't have to actually get
[01:42:25] tortured, but you get to watch them
[01:42:26] suffer, but you think it's real cuz it's
[01:42:28] a deep fake. Would that be effective
[01:42:30] humiliation?
[01:42:31] >> What if we could um put people in a
[01:42:34] neural link where it would simulate
[01:42:36] being in prison for 20 years, but it
[01:42:38] only took 20 minutes?
[01:42:40] >> That's coming. Wouldn't people use that
[01:42:41] to just like also fake live a long time?
[01:42:44] >> It's a movie. There's a movie about
[01:42:45] this.
[01:42:45] >> I was gonna say, isn't that a
[01:42:47] >> They take eye drops with nanites in them
[01:42:49] that hit their memories and then they
[01:42:50] get instantly get a memory of like
[01:42:52] skiing in Aspen or something.
[01:42:54] >> And so the there's like a woman and a
[01:42:57] guy
[01:42:57] >> recall as well.
[01:42:59] >> Yeah.
[01:42:59] >> Yeah. The the old Arnold Schwarzenegger
[01:43:01] like I'm going to take a vacation to
[01:43:03] Mars.
[01:43:03] >> So there's like a guy and he says we can
[01:43:05] we can sell this to prisons and then we
[01:43:07] can do 20-year prison sentences
[01:43:08] overnight. And then the woman who's
[01:43:09] worked with him, she like this is
[01:43:10] supposed to be for entertainment. And
[01:43:12] then she like they get into a fight and
[01:43:14] then she makes him go to prison for 100
[01:43:15] years or something and he's like and
[01:43:16] then a minute later comes back and he's
[01:43:18] insane.
[01:43:18] >> You could do the opposite too where you
[01:43:20] put someone they live their life 20
[01:43:22] years go by but they only remember like
[01:43:24] 10 seconds of it.
[01:43:25] >> How about this? How about this? Serious.
[01:43:27] What if we could use a neural link and
[01:43:30] rewrite their brain and it would it
[01:43:32] would keep their memories and their
[01:43:33] personality but eliminate the ability to
[01:43:36] commit crime? Like literally they
[01:43:38] anytime they were would commit any kind
[01:43:41] of crime they would get physically sick
[01:43:42] and and feel like scared.
[01:43:44] >> You know there was there was this old
[01:43:46] '9s show called Babylon 5. I believe
[01:43:48] Scott Adams is on that one.
[01:43:49] >> They had an episode where like instead
[01:43:52] of the death penalty they would do death
[01:43:54] of personality basically. Wow.
[01:43:55] >> And they would kind of do a version of
[01:43:57] that except they would also basically
[01:43:58] rewrite your personality. So like you
[01:44:00] would come back as like essentially a
[01:44:02] pro-social better person. Well, I mean
[01:44:04] this is this is the this this was the
[01:44:06] theory behind lobottomization.
[01:44:07] >> Yeah.
[01:44:08] >> Originally that you know if we remove
[01:44:09] certain parts of the brain that target
[01:44:11] aggression or you know whatever the
[01:44:13] variety is uh I would say depends on the
[01:44:17] depends on the cause. Let's say you've
[01:44:18] got somebody who uh
[01:44:20] >> let's say there's like a brutal murder
[01:44:22] >> and it's like death penalty warranted
[01:44:25] >> and the court the courts are like we can
[01:44:26] give him the death penalty or we can
[01:44:28] rewrite his brain so that he no longer
[01:44:30] has the ability to be violent or do any
[01:44:32] of these things. He'll still go to
[01:44:34] prison for a certain amount of time like
[01:44:35] 20 years but you know would you prefer
[01:44:38] that over the death penalty?
[01:44:40] 20 years in prison and a rewriting of
[01:44:42] their brain so they can never commit a
[01:44:43] murder again.
[01:44:44] >> No fry him.
[01:44:47] I think that that it's really going to
[01:44:49] start happening with palunteer and
[01:44:50] neural net the ability to to and
[01:44:53] graphine sensors like super sensitive
[01:44:55] sensors where you can actually record
[01:44:56] brain waves and understand and reverse
[01:44:58] engineer thought patterns and stuff that
[01:45:01] we will have the opportunity to blank
[01:45:02] people's brains aspects of it without
[01:45:05] >> but then what happens when that system
[01:45:06] gets hacked
[01:45:07] >> that's the problem man that's the
[01:45:09] problem
[01:45:09] >> so uh I want to read some super chats
[01:45:11] >> yeah I think we probably have some stuff
[01:45:12] too I think
[01:45:13] >> I got one from a barns he says uh
[01:45:15] nameless and faceless round two Who can
[01:45:17] name three liters of Antifa? Who can
[01:45:18] name three liters of Ant? He says it
[01:45:20] over and over again because uh he thinks
[01:45:22] it's a gotcha. Um I'll say this for
[01:45:25] legal reasons. I will simply direct you
[01:45:27] to Nate Freriedman uh on Instagram, Nate
[01:45:29] Freiedman
[01:45:31] and uh just watch his videos. So um I
[01:45:36] can probably name 12 or more.
[01:45:39] >> Yeah, I'm just going I'm going through
[01:45:41] I'm like, "Okay, so DT Antifa has this
[01:45:43] one, this one, this one, this one." uh
[01:45:45] the you know and people who have been
[01:45:47] charged by the way uh for for various
[01:45:50] things um the person who uh you know
[01:45:53] assaulted me in uh Lincoln Square Park
[01:45:56] when um you know there's that picture of
[01:45:58] us I'm going to put it in court records
[01:46:00] >> considering Trump has named them a
[01:46:01] terrorist organization. There's a whole
[01:46:03] legal minefield in starting to name
[01:46:05] people who we know are organizing these
[01:46:07] things and are working with funding and
[01:46:09] uh I'm I'm actually friends with a lot
[01:46:11] of them on Facebook actually because I
[01:46:12] know him from occupy and uh I would just
[01:46:15] say Nate Freriedman is doing a really
[01:46:16] good job of investigating a lot of these
[01:46:17] people. You all you got to do is look at
[01:46:19] his page and he's got dossas on these
[01:46:21] guys.
[01:46:21] >> It's crazy the ladies the dude that I
[01:46:23] know on Facebook tends to type things
[01:46:24] like pick up bricks. I'm like I feel
[01:46:27] like I should report it to the FBI. Like
[01:46:28] then I think about the Nazis and how
[01:46:30] people would like inform on them when
[01:46:31] there was a Jew and I'm like I want
[01:46:34] nothing to do with this. Just distance
[01:46:36] myself from this crazy radical
[01:46:39] >> but rhetoric.
[01:46:40] >> You're right. And those are the same
[01:46:41] thing. Like being a Jew who owns a store
[01:46:43] is the same thing as being a violent
[01:46:44] extremist who wants people to go commit
[01:46:45] acts of terrorism,
[01:46:46] >> right? Cuz pick up bricks. We all know
[01:46:48] like it doesn't sarcas.
[01:46:50] >> It doesn't He's not commanding someone
[01:46:51] to go throw it, but like what else would
[01:46:53] you be holding up?
[01:46:54] >> I'm not playing this game. I'm not
[01:46:55] Jack's not playing this game. part of
[01:46:56] the puzzle of kind tweed. Tweedle dumb
[01:46:59] death threats don't fly anymore. Lock
[01:47:01] them all up.
[01:47:02] >> If if Tweedled D says pick up a brick.
[01:47:05] If Tweedle Dumb says fascist hit with
[01:47:08] bricks. What if he tweeted out the
[01:47:10] fascist?
[01:47:11] >> What if he tweeted out hey fascist
[01:47:12] catch,
[01:47:14] >> right? Yeah. It's sensitive to the time
[01:47:16] of that being on a bullet that was used.
[01:47:20] >> We are We are now in a post Charlie Kirk
[01:47:22] world. Well then,
[01:47:23] >> and in a post Charlie Kirk world, I
[01:47:26] think a lot of those nicities that we
[01:47:28] used to play by, they just don't apply.
[01:47:29] >> So, what happens to people that witness
[01:47:31] things like pick up a brick and they
[01:47:32] don't say anything about are they now an
[01:47:34] accomplice?
[01:47:34] >> It's not it is it is they are cowards.
[01:47:36] It is not a crime to not report a crime.
[01:47:39] Um, however, you you should as a citizen
[01:47:42] of the United States because you would
[01:47:44] want to know if someone was so let's say
[01:47:46] someone had decided to and I mean, look,
[01:47:48] let's let's be fair. Um, obviously, uh,
[01:47:51] this studio, this turning point has
[01:47:53] faced, uh, numerous threats. You guys
[01:47:56] have been swatted and, uh, targeted so
[01:47:59] many times. So, I would absolutely pick
[01:48:02] up the phone and call Tim or call you
[01:48:06] and say, "Hey guys, I saw this thing.
[01:48:09] You might want to key into it."
[01:48:10] >> And we, and this happens, and I've been
[01:48:12] in uh, this is current. I'm not going to
[01:48:15] get into specifics for security reasons,
[01:48:17] but I've currently been in contact
[01:48:18] directly to with the FBI over what's
[01:48:21] going on. That's how serious things are
[01:48:22] right now. So, my point is this. If
[01:48:25] Tweedled D says someone should kill
[01:48:27] fascists, and then Tweedle Dumb points
[01:48:28] at Jack and goes, "Hey, look, a fascist.
[01:48:30] Lock them both up." The point of what
[01:48:33] they're doing is they're trying to say,
[01:48:35] "As long as half of the phrase is from
[01:48:38] one person and half is from the other,
[01:48:39] we haven't created an imminent threat
[01:48:40] against an individual." I say, "I don't
[01:48:42] care. I'm not playing that stupid game.
[01:48:43] We know exactly what you're doing and
[01:48:44] why you're doing it.
[01:48:45] >> Blake, are you like what kind of level
[01:48:47] of I asked these guys this last night.
[01:48:49] Level of brutality are you at this
[01:48:51] point? Because I know you were there
[01:48:52] with Charlie when he was killed. Like
[01:48:53] Jack said like 3 feet away or something.
[01:48:55] Six feet away.
[01:48:56] >> 10
[01:48:56] >> 10 feet away. Three steps. And I imagine
[01:48:58] that that changed your nervous system or
[01:49:00] something. Did it?
[01:49:02] >> Uh I don't want to presume things. Um
[01:49:06] when we got here, he was screaming and
[01:49:08] punching a pillow,
[01:49:09] >> but it was a pillow that looked like
[01:49:10] Ian. There's like I ask only and I'll
[01:49:13] let you answer if you do you have the
[01:49:14] I'm thinking of the myi massacre in
[01:49:16] Vietnam where the troops were basically
[01:49:17] broken by seeing their friends die and
[01:49:19] they massacred a village of women and
[01:49:21] children and then they had to land guy
[01:49:23] landed a helicopter pointed the guns at
[01:49:25] his own men and was like stop or I'm
[01:49:27] going to kill you all and it was the
[01:49:29] captain got charged and then pardoned
[01:49:31] for it. Are you in that state?
[01:49:34] >> I don't want to talk too much about it
[01:49:36] not the least because I've been told not
[01:49:38] to say too much about it as an
[01:49:39] eyewitness. Um, like Blake could be
[01:49:42] called at the trial.
[01:49:43] >> Yeah. I'm not sure what I'd say besides
[01:49:45] what I saw, but uh
[01:49:53] I don't know. I I guess I I just would
[01:49:55] prefer rather not to wallow in that.
[01:49:57] >> No, I I would say though that Blake,
[01:50:00] look, you've been here every day since.
[01:50:01] I mean, you've been handling it for and
[01:50:04] and everyone here who who was there,
[01:50:06] including uh we have staffers here who
[01:50:09] uh went even beyond that. And I just
[01:50:13] don't want to get into it right now, but
[01:50:15] you know, it's I I and Ian, just just to
[01:50:18] answer for Blake in a sense, you you've
[01:50:20] never called for anything other than a
[01:50:22] failed trial. That's all he said. And we
[01:50:24] were here live when uh they announced
[01:50:27] the charges and we had a very civil
[01:50:30] discussion about how we want this person
[01:50:32] to have a fair trial and that's that's
[01:50:34] what we want.
[01:50:35] >> I I was nasty in one way. There was that
[01:50:37] fellow on the campus who according to
[01:50:39] police he like after the shot happened
[01:50:42] the older guy. Yeah.
[01:50:43] >> The older guy who like kind of tried to
[01:50:44] take credit for it.
[01:50:46] >> Well, at which he later came out and
[01:50:47] said he was trying to be a decoy.
[01:50:48] >> Exactly. And according to reports he's
[01:50:51] like a known campus nuisance. Right.
[01:50:53] >> He in fact I think they had a standing
[01:50:54] order to arrest him if he was seen, but
[01:50:56] he blended in because there were so many
[01:50:57] people.
[01:50:58] >> Uh I would say I am uh
[01:51:03] so minded. I would say like why should
[01:51:05] that person not be charged as an after
[01:51:06] the fact accessory?
[01:51:08] >> I don't think it's nasty at all.
[01:51:09] >> He was attempting to help a murderer.
[01:51:11] >> He helped a murder escape.
[01:51:12] >> Yeah.
[01:51:13] >> The I I asked about the like what level
[01:51:15] of brutality of justice. It's way more
[01:51:17] than accomplice. It's I mean it's so
[01:51:19] many things. I feel like we're on the
[01:51:20] precipice of like some sort of brutal
[01:51:22] practice.
[01:51:22] >> That's not brutality. That is I'm
[01:51:24] talking about now government coming to
[01:51:26] use the the boot of of force on terror
[01:51:29] networks and like
[01:51:30] >> and in China like we had the Tienman
[01:51:32] Square massacre that was incredibly
[01:51:34] brutal and then silenced the radicals in
[01:51:36] China
[01:51:37] >> according to the government they were.
[01:51:38] And then the Hong Kong riots where they
[01:51:40] were out there spraying water with mixed
[01:51:42] with um you know pepper spray with blue
[01:51:45] ink so that they can burn these people's
[01:51:46] skin and then track them down later.
[01:51:48] Like
[01:51:48] >> it wasn't to burn their track them down
[01:51:50] >> and it burned their skin in the process
[01:51:51] with the pepper spray. But what level of
[01:51:53] brutality would you be willing to accept
[01:51:56] >> to get this job done? Do you go
[01:51:58] >> what job?
[01:51:59] >> Quelling the chaos. What? I know that's
[01:52:01] a vague term ever. The problem with the
[01:52:03] Patriot Act and let me slow down and try
[01:52:06] and explain something.
[01:52:08] >> I don't think you know what's going on
[01:52:09] in the world, nor do you understand what
[01:52:11] it takes to create a civil civil a
[01:52:14] society. Uh, and I'm not saying that
[01:52:16] derissively. You're saying what degree
[01:52:18] of brutality are you willing to accept?
[01:52:20] Apparently, even the assassination of
[01:52:22] our friend has not changed our minds in
[01:52:24] escalating force in any unlawful way.
[01:52:27] So, the point is they have not only
[01:52:29] killed people we love and care about.
[01:52:31] They have killed innocent bystanders.
[01:52:33] They have shot people simply for driving
[01:52:34] their cars. They have imprisoned the
[01:52:36] president. They've arrested his lawyers.
[01:52:38] They have they they have committed such
[01:52:40] egregious violations of our moral
[01:52:42] worldview. the degree of brutality. I
[01:52:44] think uh let's just call it 100%
[01:52:47] brutality because I think when you when
[01:52:49] you arrest Trump's lawyers
[01:52:50] unconstitutionally, raid his home,
[01:52:51] target his family, when you arrest all
[01:52:54] of his business associates, falsely
[01:52:55] accuse him of rape, run them through the
[01:52:56] courts, try and seize his property,
[01:52:58] falsely accuse him of fraud, target his
[01:53:00] supporters, create a a police force that
[01:53:02] goes nationwide, raids people's homes.
[01:53:04] We're talking about the highest degree
[01:53:06] of brutality.
[01:53:07] >> So, what degree of brutality are willing
[01:53:09] to accept? apparently all of it
[01:53:11] >> in return now because like worst case
[01:53:13] I'm thinking I'm picturing oh we we're
[01:53:15] going to we're going to get moving but
[01:53:16] to go like if Antifa were to hole up in
[01:53:17] a building they're they're leaders and
[01:53:19] they're pointing their guns out and
[01:53:20] they're not letting guys in guy try to
[01:53:21] kick the windows in Navy Seals four
[01:53:23] troops get killed they're like just blow
[01:53:25] up the building they got civilians in
[01:53:27] there take out the building we don't
[01:53:28] care
[01:53:29] >> say something
[01:53:29] >> uh no I'm just saying that you know if
[01:53:31] we do want to get to some more chats
[01:53:33] >> thank you guys for letting me
[01:53:33] >> skip let's read those before we lose
[01:53:35] time yeah we're getting close I think
[01:53:37] we're going to lose the studio and it's
[01:53:38] just we started we started a little bit
[01:53:40] late, but
[01:53:41] >> you know, if there's any if there's any
[01:53:43] specific ones you wanted to get to or or
[01:53:44] >> I don't see any uh I might have missed
[01:53:46] some on ours cuz I only started looking
[01:53:47] late. So, I apologize if that I
[01:53:49] apologize if that happened to any of
[01:53:51] you. Um but we can check the ones on
[01:53:54] YouTube, too.
[01:53:55] >> All right. Well, let me uh let me grab
[01:53:57] one. That's Enrique C says, "Between the
[01:53:59] hats, music, and the shout out, I feel
[01:54:01] very seen today. Longtime fan, love you
[01:54:03] all. I am Charlie Kirk."
[01:54:04] >> What does he mean about the hats? I
[01:54:05] don't
[01:54:05] >> Maybe Ian. He's got
[01:54:09] all the Mexicans and everybody.
[01:54:10] >> It's a It Someone in chat said that it
[01:54:12] was like a a Yamaka somber.
[01:54:14] >> Yes.
[01:54:15] >> A sombrero. Yamaka.
[01:54:16] >> You know me. Shout out to all the Jews
[01:54:18] and all the Mexicans and everybody else.
[01:54:22] >> Yam. Yeah. Happy. That's today. Yeah.
[01:54:25] Yeah. Yeah.
[01:54:26] >> I can't scroll. This is so annoying. I'm
[01:54:29] trying to scroll. Um, Tim Neil says,
[01:54:32] "Wow, Ian, your account of the Myine
[01:54:33] Massacre didn't even uh didn't even one
[01:54:37] single fact." I I got to agree. I I
[01:54:39] pulled it up right away and I was like,
[01:54:40] Ian, you're wrong.
[01:54:41] >> What about
[01:54:42] >> Well, you said that like they were so
[01:54:43] shocked by seeing their friends killed
[01:54:45] or whatever.
[01:54:45] >> Yeah, they were more battle fatigued.
[01:54:47] >> It It just says that they gang raped
[01:54:49] women, mutilated bodies. I Yeah.
[01:54:52] >> And only one guy got charged for it, the
[01:54:54] captain that issued it.
[01:54:56] >> Yeah. command and Nixon pardoned him
[01:54:58] like William was the name I think but I
[01:55:00] don't trust Wikipedia
[01:55:01] >> anyway by the way public opinion was
[01:55:03] strongly on his side if I remember
[01:55:05] correctly because they they viewed him
[01:55:07] as being extremely overcharged I think
[01:55:09] we covered this like a while ago didn't
[01:55:11] we
[01:55:11] >> I'm not sure I don't think I was there
[01:55:12] if we did
[01:55:13] >> I I remember just talking about this not
[01:55:15] long ago
[01:55:16] >> yeah not with me I don't think
[01:55:18] >> Farah says not much but here's a
[01:55:19] donation for your security I'll become a
[01:55:21] member tonight love what you do keep up
[01:55:23] the fight and there is two things all of
[01:55:25] you can and you should do. You can join
[01:55:28] our Discord server at timcast.com and
[01:55:30] you can sign up for TurningPoint USA and
[01:55:32] become a monthly donor and help them do
[01:55:33] the work they're doing. And uh I don't
[01:55:35] know if if your show actually has some
[01:55:37] an alternate form as well for for
[01:55:39] membership.
[01:55:40] >> There is a CK exclusives if they want to
[01:55:42] sign up for that with uh so I I think it
[01:55:45] is uh what is it? Is it Charlie
[01:55:48] exclusive? Uh someone's
[01:55:49] >> just go to go to charliekirk.com. You'll
[01:55:51] you'll see how to do it there and
[01:55:52] there's exclusives exclusive content. Um
[01:55:55] Erica who was was here the other day
[01:55:57] sitting right where Blake is. Uh Tim
[01:55:59] actually where where you're sitting
[01:56:01] right now is where Erica gave her
[01:56:02] speech.
[01:56:03] >> Um you know that's that's the spot and
[01:56:06] and uh she said there's there are
[01:56:09] unreleased uh you know tapes and you
[01:56:12] know maybe speeches that were uh private
[01:56:14] for a you know a fund fund fundraising
[01:56:17] group etc that people can go into. And
[01:56:20] so uh members at Charlie Kirk members.
[01:56:23] charliekirk.com members.charlleykirk.com
[01:56:27] to get there.
[01:56:28] >> I wanted to address just what he was
[01:56:29] saying about security too. I I I've
[01:56:30] talked to for the longest time everyone
[01:56:34] always says don't talk about what's
[01:56:35] going on with security. Uh Steven
[01:56:37] Crowder pointed this out. I've been
[01:56:38] talking about a little bit more and I
[01:56:40] I've just had a few more conversations
[01:56:41] as of recent. Uh obviously I'll keep it
[01:56:44] a bit vague, but in the past couple of
[01:56:46] weeks the amount of threats we've got
[01:56:47] have been extremely serious and have
[01:56:48] escalated to the point where I'm in
[01:56:50] direct contact with the FBI, which is a
[01:56:51] pretty crazy thing to say because I
[01:56:52] wouldn't have bothered doing that in the
[01:56:54] previous administration. I think we did.
[01:56:57] We had a bunch of threats. We have the
[01:56:58] bomb threats of swattings and they
[01:56:59] didn't do jack. Uh this current FBI is
[01:57:01] taking it very seriously and the threats
[01:57:03] we have are are legit and very serious
[01:57:05] and probably the worst we've ever seen.
[01:57:08] I've been told quite a bit by everybody
[01:57:09] just don't bring it up. Don't talk about
[01:57:11] it. You make it worse. The problem with
[01:57:12] that is is exactly as Steven Crowder
[01:57:13] pointed out. So I stand with him in
[01:57:15] saying this. If we do not explain to
[01:57:17] everybody watching that in order to have
[01:57:19] shows like this where we're goofing off
[01:57:21] and having philosophical conversations
[01:57:23] about morals and stuff, just doing this
[01:57:25] results in people taking real action to
[01:57:28] try and end our lives. And in Charlie's
[01:57:30] case, they they these horrible people
[01:57:33] murdered this man.
[01:57:36] I think it's important that we do talk
[01:57:38] about it when it does happen. I've
[01:57:40] talked about, you know, we we the
[01:57:42] swatting's never stopped. We got swatted
[01:57:44] 15 times in one year. we just had
[01:57:46] security handle it. We say we just we're
[01:57:47] just done talking about it. I mean,
[01:57:48] what's the point? Are we going to keep
[01:57:49] sitting? Are we going to be the SWAT
[01:57:50] show where we say, "Hey, it happened
[01:57:52] again." So, with the threats that we get
[01:57:53] now, I do think when when it when it
[01:57:56] when it's relevant, when it matters, we
[01:57:57] we should talk about this. And I should
[01:57:59] tell you that it's very serious right
[01:58:02] now. It's extremely expensive. We are
[01:58:04] spending tens of thousands of dollars
[01:58:05] more than we normally do because of how
[01:58:07] serious it is. And I I'm literally
[01:58:09] having to get on the phone with the FBI
[01:58:10] because of how serious it is. I don't
[01:58:12] want to go into any personal details,
[01:58:14] but let me just say these things are
[01:58:15] terrifying.
[01:58:17] >> If we don't talk about it, regular
[01:58:19] people have the perception that we're
[01:58:22] chilling, having a good time, making
[01:58:24] bank, life is good. The left, I don't
[01:58:27] think, experiences the degree of threats
[01:58:29] that we do. Um, I will say this, there's
[01:58:31] a particular leftist personality who
[01:58:33] lives in a normal urban neighborhood
[01:58:35] with neighbors. Everybody knows this.
[01:58:37] and he doesn't seem to have a care in
[01:58:40] the world despite having a massive
[01:58:41] audience and being a prominent leftist
[01:58:43] and I have to move out of the city and
[01:58:46] get away because we had a pedophile try
[01:58:47] to break into my house when I was in
[01:58:49] Jersey and the cops
[01:58:50] >> one of the worst things to break into
[01:58:51] your house.
[01:58:52] >> Indeed. And the cops told me if I
[01:58:53] defended myself I'd go to prison. So I'm
[01:58:55] like, "Okay, time to move. Time to get
[01:58:57] away."
[01:58:57] >> Well, you're not a you're not a child.
[01:58:58] He's not after you. You would have no
[01:58:59] reason to defend yourself. I guess
[01:59:01] that's their reason.
[01:59:01] >> It was the kid that you were keeping
[01:59:02] under the bed that they would have
[01:59:03] freaked out.
[01:59:03] >> New Jersey says that if you can flee,
[01:59:06] you have to. And if you can't flee,
[01:59:08] don't worry. After you're charged with
[01:59:09] felony murder, we'll figure it out.
[01:59:11] >> Even in your house.
[01:59:11] >> In your house. In New Jersey, if you are
[01:59:13] in your home,
[01:59:14] >> liberalism, not
[01:59:15] >> if you are in your home and someone
[01:59:16] breaks in and screams that they're going
[01:59:18] to kill you, you cannot shoot them. The
[01:59:21] only circumstance in which you are
[01:59:23] allowed is if you are trapped. Now,
[01:59:24] here's the thing. You will be arrested.
[01:59:27] I asked the cops. I talked to a lawyer
[01:59:28] about this. They said, "You will be
[01:59:30] arrested after killing this person. You
[01:59:32] will be charged with felony murder at
[01:59:34] court. You will argue you could not
[01:59:37] escape. If however the defense the
[01:59:40] prosecution will then argue here's why
[01:59:42] you could have if it is all brought to
[01:59:44] brought to you and you answer the
[01:59:45] question that well maybe I could have
[01:59:47] escaped prison. If you say where where
[01:59:50] am I supposed to escape to prison
[01:59:53] because what you're telling the judge
[01:59:54] and the jury is I would rather murder a
[01:59:56] man than stand outside in the cold. You
[01:59:58] are not allowed to kill people in New
[02:00:00] Jersey. In Maryland only if they try to
[02:00:01] break into your house. This is a perfect
[02:00:04] example of why the next governor of New
[02:00:07] Jersey should be Jack Shaderellied and
[02:00:12] make Jer New Jersey red Jersey make that
[02:00:16] happen. We've seen and we talked about
[02:00:18] last night, Tim, uh I think three
[02:00:20] independent polls now in a row uh saying
[02:00:23] that this race is either within the
[02:00:25] margin of error or is completely tied.
[02:00:27] That is a perfect example. restore the
[02:00:30] right of self-defense to New Jerseyians.
[02:00:32] And yes, yes, even as a Pennian, I will
[02:00:35] say that New Jerseyians do deserve
[02:00:38] rights. Uh, you know, you know, case by
[02:00:42] case basis perhaps, but you know, the
[02:00:44] right to self-defense should be
[02:00:45] sacrianked and this is absolutely
[02:00:47] something that a new governor and a
[02:00:49] legislature of course hopefully can push
[02:00:51] through.
[02:00:52] >> And always remember the big picture
[02:00:53] rule. The reason this is the law is that
[02:00:56] when someone breaks into your home,
[02:01:00] >> the right implicitly sympathizes with
[02:01:02] the homeowner who is being attacked and
[02:01:04] the left
[02:01:05] >> naturally sympathizes with the person
[02:01:07] breaking in.
[02:01:08] >> Yes.
[02:01:08] >> Should we do wrap up? Should we wrap up?
[02:01:10] >> We we should. We're just about at time.
[02:01:13] >> Tim, this has been wild. This is fun.
[02:01:14] Oh, bro. It's been so awesome uh you
[02:01:16] guys having us here and and affording us
[02:01:17] the ability to do the show from
[02:01:19] Charlie's studio to get to sit next to
[02:01:21] his great chair to get to have IRL in
[02:01:23] your in in the TPSA buildings. It's a
[02:01:25] it's it's an honor and a privilege.
[02:01:27] >> Well, I mean, you know, we appreciate so
[02:01:29] much that you came in that you dedicated
[02:01:31] an entire week to this to being here and
[02:01:34] and you know, Jim's like, "Oh, well,
[02:01:35] it's scheduling." No, come on. I mean,
[02:01:36] you still did it. You still did it.
[02:01:38] >> And and and I don't want to downplay.
[02:01:39] It's tough. Security is tough.
[02:01:41] >> Yeah. And and you still did it. And you
[02:01:43] know, and I'm I'm not saying I'm judging
[02:01:45] people, you know, if they if they
[02:01:46] weren't able to make it to Memorial or
[02:01:48] something like that, but you were here.
[02:01:50] You were here at a time like this.
[02:01:51] >> I'm honored to be uh uh to be invited.
[02:01:53] >> Let's do it again.
[02:01:55] >> Yeah. Smash the like button. Share the
[02:01:56] show on both channels. Subscribe to all
[02:01:58] the shows. You can follow me on X and
[02:02:00] Instagram at Timcast.
[02:02:02] >> They ordered me on to X now. I'm there.
[02:02:04] Blake is now a real boy.
[02:02:06] >> Blake SNF. A real boy. Uh Blake uh of
[02:02:11] course was um you know was smeared and
[02:02:13] doxed and had been cancelled 2020,
[02:02:16] right?
[02:02:17] >> Yep.
[02:02:17] >> Yeah. In in 2020 by by CNN. And uh his
[02:02:21] first video went viral with you and
[02:02:23] Tucker Carlson sitting right here and
[02:02:26] talking about how it was Charlie Kirk
[02:02:28] who uh who said, "You know what? I'm
[02:02:30] going to hire that guy. I don't care
[02:02:32] what they said."
[02:02:33] >> Uh what is your Twitter again? Blake
[02:02:36] >> Blake Nef. It would be Blake Nef, but I
[02:02:38] had to delete that one when they doxed
[02:02:39] me. So now I have to add my middle
[02:02:41] initial to it.
[02:02:42] >> Can you get it back, man?
[02:02:43] >> Uh, they didn't let me right now. So
[02:02:45] >> maybe Elon will listening. I'll go get
[02:02:48] his number.
[02:02:48] >> I know a guy. I know a guy released
[02:02:51] Gavin McInness a few weeks ago.
[02:02:53] >> Yeah, he's got his back. Ian on the
[02:02:55] pulse, Ian Crossson. You can find me
[02:02:57] there, everywhere on the internet,
[02:02:58] YouTube, Twitter, all the good websites.
[02:03:00] Follow me at Ian Crossen. Again, man,
[02:03:02] thank you guys so much for hosting.
[02:03:04] Thank you, Charlie, for everything
[02:03:05] you've done and what you've built. And
[02:03:07] we will continue this process and make
[02:03:09] it even better than you could have ever
[02:03:10] imagined. Thank you. All right, ladies
[02:03:13] and gentlemen, as always, go out there
[02:03:14] and commit more thought crime.
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