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[00:00:00] Not only does affirmative action like [00:00:01] help, you know, minorities, people of [00:00:03] color, but also women in general. And [00:00:06] there's a lot of facets of engineering, [00:00:08] the medical system, and other factors [00:00:10] that because of affirmative action have [00:00:12] helped. Um, I'll just go into something. [00:00:14] For example, [00:00:16] um, let's say like in the medical field, [00:00:19] endometriosis, something like that has [00:00:21] not been studied in women due to so [00:00:24] little women being in the medical field. [00:00:27] Um, also for example like cars, um, the [00:00:31] seat belt is made specially for the male [00:00:33] body. They're only tested with male [00:00:34] mannequins. So a lot of women are in [00:00:36] risk of dying in car crashes at a higher [00:00:38] rate. Um, there's a lot of things that [00:00:41] benefit from a diverse group of people [00:00:43] both in engineering and medical fields [00:00:45] and education and other facets of the [00:00:49] systems. Um, and I was just wondering [00:00:51] without affirmative action, how do you [00:00:53] think uh we can bring these people in to [00:00:56] bring a variety of opinions? [00:00:58] >> Yeah. No, I mean just have a [00:00:59] meritocracy, right? So you have three [00:01:02] white men around you, you can see one, [00:01:03] two, three. So if one supports [00:01:05] affirmative No, it's okay. If one [00:01:07] supports affirmative action, [00:01:08] >> right, [00:01:08] >> it would mean that you would be okay [00:01:10] turning to those three men and saying, [00:01:11] "I deserve the position more than you [00:01:13] based on something that doesn't matter [00:01:14] more than that." I feel like that's one [00:01:16] facet of it that we're not also paying [00:01:18] attention to is that people that are [00:01:19] graduating are graduating from the same [00:01:21] schools. They're graduating with the [00:01:22] same degrees [00:01:22] >> with lower test scores though, much [00:01:24] lower. Every study of affirmative [00:01:25] action, for example, the Harvard case [00:01:27] showed that it was nearly 40% lower test [00:01:29] scores for people of color versus their [00:01:30] white male counterparts and Asian [00:01:32] counterparts. [00:01:32] >> And so is that is that like uh like why [00:01:36] would that happen? Do you think it's [00:01:37] Yeah. Why? [00:01:39] >> What causes that? Do you think it's just [00:01:40] because like people of color are more [00:01:42] like stupid? [00:01:43] >> Of course not. I mean, people of color [00:01:44] come from lower soio economic [00:01:45] backgrounds that don't prioritize [00:01:47] education. [00:01:47] >> So, how do we fix those socioeconomic [00:01:49] >> status? But that's that's an interesting [00:01:50] point. Not should we try to penalize [00:01:53] white males that are competent to go run [00:01:54] our systems and our institutions. [00:01:56] >> So, those are two different things. So, [00:01:58] what we're doing is our institutions are [00:02:00] now becoming less excellent. [00:02:02] >> Our country is not working like it used [00:02:04] to because we basically told people that [00:02:07] are very qualified and very competent [00:02:09] that sorry, we're not going to put a [00:02:10] position for you here. For example, the [00:02:12] US Secret Service. Let me just give you [00:02:14] one example. Okay? Now, the Secret [00:02:15] Service has said that we want to have [00:02:17] 30% of all our agents be women, which by [00:02:19] the way, they have lower fitness [00:02:21] criteria. [00:02:22] >> So, they have less pull-ups, less [00:02:23] push-ups, slower mile time by [00:02:26] >> Oh, yeah. That's something that's due to [00:02:27] like your [00:02:28] >> Hold on. Exactly. Yeah. No, no, but [00:02:29] that's this is this is affirmative [00:02:31] action, right? And so therefore, when [00:02:33] >> Well, there's like fields like for I [00:02:34] don't think that's a good one second. [00:02:36] One second. I just don't think that's a [00:02:37] good example because like women will [00:02:39] never be as strong as men at least. [00:02:41] That's an interesting question. I think [00:02:42] it should be something that's will be [00:02:45] will women be as good at engineering as [00:02:48] men person for person? [00:02:50] >> Uh, not necessarily, but [00:02:51] >> okay. Well, then it's how is that [00:02:52] different than the secret service [00:02:53] example? [00:02:54] >> Well, the problem is that [00:02:55] >> because the male mind is wired different [00:02:57] than the female mind. By the way, men [00:02:58] will never be as good Hold on, I'll [00:03:00] prove it to you. Men will never be as [00:03:02] good at counseling or psychology [00:03:04] sessions as women. Men will never be [00:03:06] good as at nursing or elementary school [00:03:08] education as women. We have certain [00:03:10] giftings as our brain is wider a certain [00:03:12] way. Women are far better gifted at [00:03:14] micro topics. So individual connection, [00:03:17] empathetic type conversations, healing [00:03:20] uh people that of past trauma and wound. [00:03:22] Men are much better at macro topics, [00:03:24] right? Trying to build a building, put a [00:03:26] skyscraper up, trying to talk [00:03:28] geopolitics. And I'll prove it to you. [00:03:29] When you go and you see five women [00:03:31] eating lunch, they're probably talking [00:03:33] about micro topics, conversations they [00:03:36] had, relationships, friendships. men. [00:03:38] They're talking about politics, sports, [00:03:40] or the stock market. [00:03:41] >> That's not necessarily true. [00:03:42] >> Oh, yes. You guys all agree, right? [00:03:44] >> I mean, there's a reason. [00:03:45] >> No, these are these are these are biodal [00:03:47] general truths, right? Of course, [00:03:48] there's exceptions, but [00:03:49] >> it's not a general truth, though. I feel [00:03:51] like women have the cap the capability [00:03:52] of having political conversations. [00:03:54] >> Of course, they do, but it's not their [00:03:55] it's not the general wiring or nature of [00:03:57] women. [00:03:58] >> It's not there's no wiring for your [00:03:59] brain to like Donald Trump. Like, that's [00:04:00] not a real thing. I feel like [00:04:02] >> But wait a second. But you do you think [00:04:04] that men and women are made different in [00:04:05] our brains and our in our [00:04:07] >> uh certain things but not necessarily it [00:04:09] doesn't like channel you to be a [00:04:10] specific thing [00:04:11] >> like what things [00:04:13] >> well like there's like specific wirings [00:04:14] to you know like produce certain types [00:04:16] of hormones and that's like differences [00:04:19] that are genetically [00:04:19] >> so you don't you don't think that men [00:04:21] are more likely to like contact sports [00:04:23] more likely to enjoy football UFC [00:04:26] hunting [00:04:26] >> I think that's because of a societal [00:04:28] norm in general like over well over [00:04:31] >> No come on you're smarter than that [00:04:32] That's not true. Hold on. So, why is it [00:04:34] >> there's women that play football? So, [00:04:35] like you you can't just say that [00:04:37] >> and there are men that dress in drag, [00:04:38] but those are the those are not the the [00:04:41] the general truth of it. So, let me just [00:04:44] be clear. You think that there's nothing [00:04:45] within the female brain in its [00:04:47] constitution that makes young ladies [00:04:50] more likely [00:04:51] >> I mean, being that I'm an engineer, I [00:04:52] don't think so. No. Yeah. [00:04:54] >> Really? [00:04:55] >> Yeah. I don't I mean I feel like there's [00:04:57] >> So you think if you pick a random lady [00:04:59] here that they would be just as [00:05:00] comfortable sitting and watching a [00:05:02] 4-hour football game than they were to [00:05:03] go get their hair done with their best [00:05:05] girlfriend? [00:05:05] >> Well, I feel like that's kind of [00:05:06] diminishing to say, "Oh, because you're [00:05:08] a woman, you will not be able to sit [00:05:09] through a 4hour football field." [00:05:11] >> Is it diminishing to say a man wouldn't [00:05:13] want to go get his hair done? No. [00:05:14] >> No. I'm sure you get your hair done, [00:05:16] right? [00:05:16] >> Not really. It's like 10 minutes in and [00:05:18] out like barber shop. [00:05:18] >> But you still do it. It's [00:05:20] >> but the point again there are certain [00:05:22] things that women will take more ser for [00:05:23] example women will take a lot longer [00:05:25] getting ready for the day than men. Yeah [00:05:27] >> right. Why? [00:05:28] >> Because we're held to higher standards [00:05:30] to look pretty. For example, your hair. [00:05:33] How short is your hair? Super short. [00:05:34] Mine it takes it's going to take longer [00:05:36] to dry. [00:05:36] >> Do you wear makeup? [00:05:38] >> Yeah. [00:05:38] >> Why? [00:05:39] >> Because you want to look pretty and it [00:05:41] takes [00:05:41] >> Yeah. That's not important to me because [00:05:42] I'm a man. [00:05:43] >> Oh, right. But who made you feel [00:05:45] something in your wiring? [00:05:46] >> I don't feel comfortable not wearing [00:05:47] makeup because of a certain reason. [00:05:49] >> Well, but you wouldn't feel comfortable [00:05:50] wearing makeup. [00:05:51] >> I can not wear makeup. [00:05:52] >> But why do you do it? [00:05:53] >> I mean like right now I'm not wearing [00:05:55] like anything really. [00:05:56] >> No, I know. But that's the point is that [00:05:57] at some point you wear makeup because [00:05:58] there's something within your wiring [00:06:00] that says I want to be presentable to [00:06:02] the world. And that wiring honestly is I [00:06:04] want to find a mate to have. [00:06:05] >> I mean, this question was a vote of [00:06:05] affirmative action. I think we're [00:06:06] >> No, no, no. not actually important [00:06:08] because I don't think there's any [00:06:09] differences between races, but I think [00:06:11] that when it comes to affirmative [00:06:12] action, we're saying that there are [00:06:13] differences, right? [00:06:14] >> That we're trying to say that things [00:06:15] that don't matter should matter. Should [00:06:17] we try to have the same amount of female [00:06:19] to male OBGYn? [00:06:21] >> I think it should be similar to the [00:06:23] amount of like [00:06:24] >> OBGYn like the general population. [00:06:26] >> Hold on. 85% of all OBGYNS are are [00:06:28] female. [00:06:29] >> Yeah. [00:06:30] >> So now, should we have par so that men [00:06:32] >> I have an OBGYn that's a man. That's not [00:06:34] a problem. [00:06:35] >> That's not the point. The point is, [00:06:36] should we have parody? [00:06:38] >> I think it should be similar to like [00:06:40] whatever the [00:06:41] >> Got it. Okay. So, you're consistent. So, [00:06:43] women studying in the OBGYn field will [00:06:45] be actively discriminated against. So, a [00:06:47] man can because we must have parody. [00:06:49] >> It's not about people in the OBGYN [00:06:51] specifically. It's about people in [00:06:52] general. Men were like, for example, [00:06:54] women were not able to vote until like [00:06:55] less than a like 100 years ago [00:06:57] basically, right? [00:06:58] >> What does that have to do with [00:06:59] >> One second. Um so because of that a lot [00:07:02] of the laws a lot of everything that's [00:07:03] set in place was made by men was [00:07:05] excluding women was creating like like [00:07:08] like reforms and like certain [00:07:10] legislations that would specifically you [00:07:13] know support men rather than women [00:07:16] because women don't have that ability [00:07:17] >> support society. I don't think it was [00:07:19] always about support. Well, for example, [00:07:20] like like what about like what I like [00:07:21] what I brought up endometriosis or like [00:07:23] the seat belt accident like all this [00:07:24] stuff is due because we tend to favor [00:07:27] men and specific. [00:07:28] >> So I first of all I just don't believe [00:07:30] that first of all because research will [00:07:32] go where the money is and so if there [00:07:33] was there money in endometriosis [00:07:35] research [00:07:36] >> not much because men [00:07:37] >> that's why so maybe it wasn't sexism [00:07:38] maybe it was a monetary explanation. [00:07:40] >> Well who has the like who has the money [00:07:41] in a society? [00:07:42] >> Actually women control more money than [00:07:43] men in the country [00:07:44] >> but men like women weren't able like [00:07:46] women weren't able to have bank accounts [00:07:47] until like less than 100 years ago. So [00:07:49] they can't really like, you know, build [00:07:50] that generational wealth. [00:07:51] >> Do do you think it's been a better thing [00:07:52] with women's liberation the last 20, 30 [00:07:54] years? [00:07:54] >> Yeah, I would. [00:07:56] >> Do you think that's interesting? Do you [00:07:57] think women are happier in America today [00:07:59] than they were 30 years ago? [00:08:00] >> Yeah. [00:08:01] >> Then why are why are they the most [00:08:02] depressed group in the history of the [00:08:04] species? [00:08:05] >> Because we have these like legislations [00:08:08] that don't allow us to go into [00:08:09] >> Women are the most suicidal addicted to [00:08:12] anti-depressants. [00:08:12] >> I thought it was men. [00:08:13] >> No, no. Women are far more suicidal. Men [00:08:16] are more successful in committing [00:08:17] suicide. Big difference. [00:08:19] >> Men when men when men commit suicide, [00:08:21] they're much better at it. Women have [00:08:23] far more suicidal ideiation than men. [00:08:25] >> Okay. [00:08:26] >> But why is it that with women being [00:08:28] liberated the last 50 years, women are [00:08:30] the most miserable they've ever been? [00:08:32] Like why is that? [00:08:33] >> I don't think that's gen I don't think [00:08:34] that's because we're allowed to have [00:08:35] money. [00:08:36] >> No, I'm asking I'm asking the but it's [00:08:37] like more liberation, more college [00:08:39] degrees, more birth control, less [00:08:40] marriage. [00:08:41] >> I would I would argue otherwise. I don't [00:08:42] know where you you got that data. No, [00:08:44] everybody agrees that women are super [00:08:45] miserable like as far as versus 30 years [00:08:48] ago. [00:08:48] >> Well, it could be the fact that because [00:08:50] women weren't able to go to psych like a [00:08:52] psychologist or like [00:08:54] >> or maybe it's because they're not doing [00:08:56] the one thing that they want to do, [00:08:59] which is to get married and have [00:09:00] children. [00:09:02] >> Yeah, she said she's saying that no, [00:09:04] it's actually opposite. It's saying that [00:09:05] women actually says women around the [00:09:08] world report higher levels of life [00:09:10] satisfaction than men, but at the same [00:09:11] time report more daily stress. [00:09:13] So type in women anti-depressant use [00:09:16] 2024. It is the highest it has ever [00:09:18] been. [00:09:18] >> But there's like more layers to it than [00:09:20] that. It can't just be that. You have to [00:09:21] look at why are women more likely to go [00:09:24] and talk to a psychologist? There's [00:09:25] there's the differences in that. [00:09:27] >> So, but I I just I'm I'm just curious. [00:09:28] So, do you think women are generally [00:09:30] happier in 2024 than they were in 1964? [00:09:33] >> Really? So, you think [00:09:34] >> I mean just as a woman of color, I don't [00:09:36] think being like not having like rights [00:09:38] in back then. [00:09:40] >> Whats did they not have in 1964? they [00:09:41] weren't able to get married to like like [00:09:43] a a white man. That's like my I'm I'm in [00:09:46] an interracial relationship. I'm dating [00:09:48] a white man. Like if I was back then, I [00:09:50] would never be with the love of my life. [00:09:51] I feel like that's one point that [00:09:53] because you're not allowed to marry [00:09:54] black like black people are not allowed [00:09:56] to marry white people back then [00:09:57] >> where [00:09:58] >> before 1964 [00:09:59] >> where [00:10:00] >> in the in America. [00:10:01] >> No, that that was like outlawed in like [00:10:03] 1918. [00:10:04] >> It wasn't 1918. It was it was happening [00:10:06] still until 1964. Also, banks weren't [00:10:09] also banks were like specifically not [00:10:11] allowing black people to like own homes [00:10:15] back then. They could [00:10:17] >> were able to own homes. You're talking [00:10:18] about redlinining, which is a completely [00:10:19] different thing. [00:10:19] >> Well, like they were they were they [00:10:21] could [00:10:21] >> But no, I'm just I'm curious though at [00:10:23] some point [00:10:24] >> 1967. Yeah. [00:10:25] >> That's when interracial marriage was [00:10:27] finally brought here. [00:10:29] >> In the last state, which was where? [00:10:31] >> Okay. But that's crazy still. Like I [00:10:33] would not be able to be [00:10:34] >> Yeah. We you asked me the question as a [00:10:36] woman would you be happier back then? [00:10:38] No, I wouldn't because I couldn't be [00:10:39] with the love of my [00:10:40] >> wife. I I think that's I think it's [00:10:41] shocking. I we are seeing things like [00:10:44] that. So things like that is what is [00:10:45] important. [00:10:46] >> No, it's amazing. If you think women and [00:10:48] like people are happier today than they [00:10:50] were 50 or 60 years ago, it's it's it's [00:10:53] remarkable. It's just objectively [00:10:54] >> just by that fact that I would be able [00:10:56] to marry someone that I love is I think [00:10:58] >> what you just said it was repealed in ' [00:11:00] 67 in one state by the way. 1967. That's [00:11:03] when No, that's when it was finally like [00:11:05] made like law. So before that, like [00:11:08] >> in every state. [00:11:08] >> Like in every state. I'm pretty sure [00:11:10] that's when it was. [00:11:10] >> There's no way that is true. [00:11:11] >> They just looked it up. They just showed [00:11:12] me. [00:11:13] >> It's There's no way it's true in every [00:11:14] state in [00:11:15] >> I don't know what to tell you. Oh my [00:11:16] god. [00:11:16] >> Yeah. This is not true. [00:11:17] >> That's just what it shows. Well, you [00:11:18] can't just say that's not true and just [00:11:19] say, "Oh, like [00:11:20] >> you're trying to tell me in the state of [00:11:21] Wisconsin you could not interraially [00:11:22] marry in 1964?" [00:11:24] >> You couldn't. I'm pretty sure in [00:11:25] Wisconsin you couldn't. [00:11:27] >> Is is that I mean I I think that's [00:11:29] >> I was born. [00:11:30] >> Yeah. It's just like that's not even [00:11:31] close to being true. Yeah, [00:11:32] >> I'm sure there were some southern states [00:11:34] where it might have been true. [00:11:35] >> Well, now we're avoiding it. [00:11:36] >> Yeah, but no. Okay, so affirmative [00:11:37] action. Let me ask you a question. What [00:11:39] should matter more, race or merit? [00:11:43] >> Oh, okay. [00:11:44] >> So, what should matter more, race or [00:11:46] merit? [00:11:47] >> Uh, I I don't think it's based on like a [00:11:50] little bit of both. Yes. [00:11:51] >> Why should race? Well, my initial point [00:11:53] was that because of not having like [00:11:56] people, you know, like, you know, of [00:11:59] certain races or certain genders like be [00:12:02] here and working in engineering and [00:12:05] stuff like that, we have not been able [00:12:06] to like research into certain things [00:12:07] that would benefit. [00:12:08] >> Do you think there's any risk that we [00:12:09] might have institutions that aren't as [00:12:11] excellent? [00:12:12] >> No, [00:12:12] >> there is not a single example where [00:12:14] affirmative action is employed and [00:12:15] standards are not brought down. [00:12:18] >> I wouldn't say that, but [00:12:19] >> Okay. Thank you very But I just had the [00:12:21] question of how would you want to fix [00:12:22] that? Just like [00:12:23] >> there's there's no problem to fix pure [00:12:24] meritocracy. [00:12:25] >> No, I'm just saying like how how do you [00:12:26] bring people with diverse opinions? [00:12:28] >> Oh yeah. I mean like I don't care that [00:12:29] much about I care about excellence. [00:12:30] >> So like women like used to be studying [00:12:34] STEM. I care about being a strong [00:12:35] >> No, I'm talking about like being able to [00:12:37] like look into those type of things like [00:12:38] in materials is like all this stuff. How [00:12:40] do we make that safer for other people [00:12:42] >> without bringing people that care about [00:12:43] it? [00:12:43] >> Not that important to me. I want the [00:12:45] country we once had, which was the [00:12:46] greatest country ever, where we put [00:12:48] excellence and we put superior intellect [00:12:51] above like sensitive racial politics. [00:12:54] Not interesting to me. [00:12:55] >> Okay. [00:12:56] >> Because it was a bunch of white men that [00:12:58] were like running the country and all of [00:13:00] a sudden we've decided [00:13:00] >> I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm [00:13:01] just saying [00:13:02] >> no good. Like that's fine. I mean, but [00:13:03] when we used to have a country that was [00:13:05] based on merit, we were more successful [00:13:08] and we were a betterun country and we're [00:13:09] objectively not