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[00:00:00] All right. Now we are joined by Mint [00:00:02] Press News graphic designer and field [00:00:05] photographer who is based in the UK, [00:00:07] Ibraim Abdul Isad. He has been the [00:00:11] target of relentless and coordinated [00:00:14] campaigns by pro-Israel groups directly [00:00:18] pressuring the government to silence [00:00:20] him. Ibrahim, thank you so much for [00:00:22] joining us today. [00:00:24] >> No, thank you for having me. Thank you [00:00:25] for having me. I look forward to our [00:00:27] discussion. [00:00:28] Well, we just wrapped up a conversation [00:00:30] with Audrey Corno from uh you know, [00:00:33] Palest uh prisoners for Palestine about [00:00:37] the hunger strikers and the prescription [00:00:39] of Palestine action and just how [00:00:42] successful Palestine action has been in [00:00:44] really disrupting uh the Israeli war [00:00:48] machine. and you have been an active [00:00:50] organizer, protester and also somebody [00:00:53] who's been documenting um on a [00:00:56] journalistic level uh being on the [00:00:58] ground showing the world, you know, the [00:01:02] UK crackdown of these protests and now [00:01:05] you've been targeted for your activism. [00:01:08] Much of the much of the reason for is [00:01:10] that it's a group called Stop the Hate [00:01:13] UK. I want you to tell us more about [00:01:16] Stop the Hate UK and what are they [00:01:19] charging you with and what have they [00:01:21] attempted to do to you as well? [00:01:25] >> So, the craziest thing is is that man, I [00:01:27] haven't been charged with anything. [00:01:28] Yeah, I am being targeted, smeared, [00:01:31] harassed by individuals representing a [00:01:34] pro-Israel lobby group called Stop the [00:01:36] Hate UK. But who are Stop the Hate UK? [00:01:39] And why are they harassing British [00:01:40] citizens that are calling for the [00:01:42] liberation belonging to the Palestinian [00:01:44] people? According to investigative [00:01:46] research carried out by Alan Mloud at [00:01:48] Men Press, stop the haters co-founded by [00:01:51] two individuals. Itai Galmoodi Yoki [00:01:55] Davis Galmoodi according to his own [00:01:58] social media activity used to serve in [00:02:00] the Israeli army. the Israeli army [00:02:02] that's being investigated for plausible [00:02:04] genocide, uploading pictures on his [00:02:06] social media of him driving a tank to [00:02:08] then come to the UK and co-ound an [00:02:11] organization [00:02:12] because I guess they never had enough of [00:02:14] killing Palestinians in occupied [00:02:16] Palestine. So, we're going to harass [00:02:17] British citizen Palestinians in Britain. [00:02:20] And our other co-founder is an [00:02:21] individual called Yoki Davis. [00:02:24] I think it's worth mentioning that in [00:02:26] 2019, the former Shinbet official and [00:02:30] then Minister of Justice Amir Ohana [00:02:32] recorded a video expressing his deep [00:02:34] gratitude for Yoki Davis, specifically [00:02:36] stating how I want to quote tell Yoki [00:02:39] Davis and my truth organization, thank [00:02:41] you for providing justice. Thank you [00:02:44] providing truth to the world. from the [00:02:46] Ministry of Justice. I want to tell Yi [00:02:48] Davis and my truth organization, thank [00:02:53] you for providing justice. Thank you for [00:02:56] providing the truth to the world and [00:02:59] thank you for everything that you are [00:03:01] doing for the state of Israel and for [00:03:03] the people of Israel. Thank you. [00:03:07] So in a nutshell, stop the hate UK are [00:03:10] co-founded by two individuals that have [00:03:12] deep ties to the state of Israel that [00:03:14] have deep ties that they're not praising [00:03:17] the Shinbet. They are being praised by [00:03:19] the Shinbet and they are here in the UK [00:03:21] and and one thing I want to make this [00:03:23] evidently clear is that it's not about [00:03:24] me. It's not about Ibraim Abuad or what [00:03:28] I have gone through or the harassment [00:03:29] that I have gone through. My heart sinks [00:03:31] when I see university students having to [00:03:33] confront such organizations, such lobby [00:03:36] groups. And I think all of us, not only [00:03:38] in the UK, but across the United States [00:03:40] and across the Western world, must be [00:03:42] well aware of the actors that are [00:03:44] targeting us, must be well aware of the [00:03:47] ties that these organizations have and [00:03:49] must be well aware of the lengths that [00:03:51] they will go to silence our voices. And [00:03:55] my lawyer told me, "You merely being a [00:03:57] Palestinian calling for the freedom of [00:04:00] Palestine, saying that you want to see a [00:04:02] free Palestine is a threat alone for [00:04:05] them. For it goes against Israel's [00:04:07] interest." And what is Israel's [00:04:09] interest? to steal more and more and [00:04:11] more Palestinian land. As we are seeing [00:04:13] the West Bank continue to be annexed and [00:04:15] settlements continue to be erect across [00:04:18] alafa as they continue to uh froth over [00:04:21] the idea of taking more and more land [00:04:24] not only in Gaza but also in Lebanon. [00:04:26] They've had the golden heights in Syria [00:04:28] since 1967. [00:04:30] And unless we act imminently, the [00:04:33] situation will get worse. I think it's [00:04:35] disgusting that an individual [00:04:38] representing an army being investigated [00:04:40] for a genocide responsible for killing [00:04:43] 150 of my family members [00:04:46] is now co-ounding an organization in the [00:04:49] UK to then harass British citizens [00:04:52] because we're calling for the liberation [00:04:54] belonging to the Palestinian because our [00:04:56] heart weeps when we see children calling [00:04:58] for their brothers, mothers, fathers, [00:05:00] and sisters that have been evaporated by [00:05:02] US provided 2,000lb bomb. It's [00:05:05] disgusting. And the fact that I even [00:05:07] have to express that into words is um [00:05:10] quite surreal. Again, it's not out of [00:05:12] fear, but it does raise concern given [00:05:15] that this individual represented an army [00:05:18] that is being investigated for plausible [00:05:19] genocide to now co-ound an organization [00:05:22] called Stop the Hate UK to then target [00:05:25] Palestinians in Britain. It's ridiculous [00:05:28] and it should never take place. Um the [00:05:31] individual's name is Itai Galmoodi. I [00:05:34] believe he works in a pub in Waterloo, [00:05:36] London, England. Stop the Hate UK. I'm [00:05:40] sure you can find their social media [00:05:42] handles. You can see the article that [00:05:43] has been written by Mint Press News as [00:05:45] well as the article released by the [00:05:47] Canary, the coverage by TRT News, as [00:05:50] well as the coverage by Sovereign Media. [00:05:53] Again, it's not about me. [00:05:56] If they're going to do it to me, they're [00:05:57] going to do it to you cuz there's [00:05:58] nothing that separates between me and [00:05:59] you. I'm just a young Palestinian that [00:06:02] so happened to work in a media outlet [00:06:05] that saw injustice take place and [00:06:08] rejected that imposition of power [00:06:10] growing up. Always facing it in as a [00:06:13] result of the area where we grew up and [00:06:15] the class that we were. So I just carry [00:06:17] that same type of [00:06:19] nothing's really changed. There's [00:06:21] nothing exceptional about me. If they [00:06:23] will if if they will do it to me, they [00:06:25] will target me. They will target you. [00:06:28] And I guess yeah, so um [00:06:31] >> and and just to clarify too, Ibrahim, [00:06:33] you are a British citizen. Yes, you are [00:06:35] Palestinian, but you're also a British [00:06:36] citizen. And these uh Israeli people are [00:06:40] coming to the UK to target British [00:06:42] citizens and their right to disscent, [00:06:44] their right to protest, their right to [00:06:46] free speech. And you [00:06:50] have had I would I think you said over [00:06:54] over 20 family members that have been [00:06:56] killed in Gaz or more. Correct me if I'm [00:06:59] wrong. How many people was [00:07:01] >> over? [00:07:02] >> Oh my gosh. Okay. So over 150 family [00:07:05] members in Gaz. Man, on the first week [00:07:09] of the of the sorry for on the first [00:07:11] week of the genocide, one of my family [00:07:14] members elaw was martyed who was a [00:07:18] journalist and we were working so fast [00:07:20] during the first week of the genocide. I [00:07:22] didn't even realize until I was looking [00:07:24] back at the work and then we caught up [00:07:26] on messages. [00:07:28] >> It's disgusting and I don't need to lie. [00:07:32] It's actually disgusting how they are [00:07:35] killing members of my family and army in [00:07:39] occupied Palestine. Family members that [00:07:41] I've never met that I've had to see [00:07:43] images of them deceased before I've ever [00:07:45] met them to then [00:07:47] come to the UK and target [00:07:51] Palestinians that are calling against [00:07:54] the killing of their own family members [00:07:55] in Gaza. And what's even more [00:07:58] disgusting, sorry, um, is that they've [00:08:01] mocked my family. [00:08:02] >> I have lost over 80 members in [00:08:09] >> this is the best lie I have ever seen [00:08:11] told about Israel and I will cherish it [00:08:14] for the rest of my life. [00:08:16] >> They've mocked my family members. [00:08:18] They've laughed literally. They've made [00:08:19] videos about it. Um, laughing, making [00:08:23] jokes about it. So, I don't do anything [00:08:26] particular. I work in media outlets. I [00:08:29] don't do anything illegal. I've never [00:08:31] done anything illegal my whole life. [00:08:33] Yet, I've been mocked, smeared, laughed [00:08:36] at, made death threats, had journalists [00:08:38] come to my door, being investigated by [00:08:42] individuals within the lobby. It's [00:08:43] relentless. I won't deny that. So, so [00:08:46] let's talk about what exactly have you [00:08:49] been through and um [00:08:53] >> yeah, tell us more about what exactly [00:08:54] have you have you been through? How are [00:08:56] they targeting you exactly? Can you give [00:08:58] us you know specific examples? [00:09:01] >> Yeah, definitely. So, I've say I've been [00:09:04] targeted online through these pathetic [00:09:06] doxing pages that I'm sure people in [00:09:08] America sadly have also are well aware [00:09:10] of for the last 5 years. um when I [00:09:13] started showing public face, a public [00:09:16] appearance in 2021, [00:09:18] but I would say it was mainly after a [00:09:22] protest outside the JW Free Center that [00:09:25] took place. And for the context, um, [00:09:29] individuals including myself are using [00:09:31] our full democratic right to peacefully [00:09:33] protest an event in which Ehood Omar, a [00:09:37] former Israeli prime minister [00:09:39] responsible for issuing the blockade on [00:09:41] Gaza, was speaking at this event [00:09:44] organized by the Herets in London to [00:09:47] talk about the future of the Palestinian [00:09:48] people of Gaza without having no um, [00:09:51] Palestinian voices from Gaza present. So [00:09:53] that event was disrupted effectively and [00:09:57] I actually made a list within a matter [00:10:01] of days media outlets including the [00:10:03] Telegraph, the Times, Spiked, the [00:10:05] Jerusalem Post, GB News, Daily Mail as [00:10:09] well as uh Israel lobby groups such as [00:10:11] the Board of Deputies that was founded [00:10:13] in the 1700s was making statements about [00:10:16] this event. Within two to three days, in [00:10:20] addition to the articles, at least 40 [00:10:23] million views, including one of a friend [00:10:26] of mine, uh we were targeted, we were [00:10:28] doxed, uh she lost her job. [00:10:32] But nothing, it was all social media. It [00:10:34] was all, it was all internet, it was all [00:10:36] within the internet um sphere, this type [00:10:38] of pressure. But they kept on pressuring [00:10:40] the police, the lobby, and private [00:10:43] actors [00:10:45] were continuing to pressure the [00:10:46] Metropolitan Police to call for my [00:10:48] arrest because of my participation at [00:10:50] this event. [00:10:52] But if I did anything illegal, I would [00:10:54] have been arrested there and then [00:10:56] by the police if they saw any [00:10:58] criminality. And if I wasn't arrested [00:11:00] there or then, they would have saw [00:11:02] social media videos that were [00:11:03] circulating because there was at least [00:11:05] 30 to 40 million views within a matter [00:11:06] of days on Twitter. But no arrest took [00:11:09] place because I didn't do anything [00:11:10] illegal. However, after receiving [00:11:13] pressure after pressure after pressure, [00:11:15] Kings Council judges writing 17 pages [00:11:18] about me for me to be prosecuted, [00:11:21] saying that I support particular groups, [00:11:24] which I have never publicly expressed [00:11:27] support for any group whatsoever. [00:11:29] >> And they're referring to um like Hamas [00:11:32] orb. [00:11:33] >> Yes. as well as as well as because [00:11:37] saying Lebanon Lebanon make us proud [00:11:39] turn another tank around I don't know [00:11:41] how that just somehow focused on one [00:11:43] particular group um actually telling a [00:11:46] tank to turn around is actually act of [00:11:48] defense not attack so um I don't think I [00:11:50] would have received any problem if I [00:11:52] said Ukraine Ukraine make us proud turn [00:11:55] another Russian tank around so [00:11:57] regardless because of these chants um [00:12:00] they tried to say that I was uh showing [00:12:02] support for particular groups. I'm [00:12:04] sorry. The Lebanese people have [00:12:05] sovereignty to defend themselves. Um, I [00:12:08] know some people don't like to accept [00:12:09] the fact that Arab people, Arab speaking [00:12:12] people or Muslims don't have that right [00:12:15] to engage in self-defense, but Muslims, [00:12:17] Palestinians do have that right [00:12:20] regardless. Um, the police opened up an [00:12:24] investigation [00:12:25] and they found no criminality at play. [00:12:28] They found no uh no issue regarding my [00:12:32] presence, regarding how I carried [00:12:34] myself. And in the UK, if like the [00:12:37] investigation is case closed, it will be [00:12:39] branded as an NFA, no further action. [00:12:44] Despite receiving no further action, a [00:12:47] journalist turns up to my door a year [00:12:49] later, banging on the door, thinking it [00:12:52] was the police. My mother who's lost 150 [00:12:55] family members [00:12:57] not wearing a hijab because thinking [00:12:59] that it's an emergency at the door opens [00:13:01] the door to find I don't even want to [00:13:03] call him a journalist because I think [00:13:05] it's very unethical what he did and this [00:13:07] goes out of journalistic standards an [00:13:09] individual representing his name is [00:13:12] Patrick Sawyer representing uh the [00:13:14] Telegraph asking me that questioning me [00:13:18] um wanting a response to so much claims [00:13:21] of me to be prosecuted. [00:13:23] When I asked him um is this in reference [00:13:26] to a particular event, he said in [00:13:28] reference to the JW free protest which I [00:13:30] was just speaking about and a group [00:13:32] called Stop the Hate UK are calling for [00:13:35] my prosecution. [00:13:38] Just for context, Patrick Sawyer within [00:13:41] two months of the Mint Press article [00:13:42] being released and the investigative [00:13:44] work carried out by Alan Mloud, Patrick [00:13:46] Sawyer wrote 28 pro-Israel articles [00:13:49] within the span of 2 months. It's a lot [00:13:52] of articles. Um uh and he has not only [00:13:58] harassed me, he also went to other [00:14:00] individuals homes. Uh activist called [00:14:03] Anika, an activist called Tom harassing [00:14:06] them. And just for the context, like [00:14:08] when the independent wanted to reach out [00:14:10] to me and they wrote an article [gasps] [00:14:13] about me, um they sent me an email. I'm [00:14:16] not a hard person to get in contact. You [00:14:18] could have contacted me via social [00:14:19] media. You could have contacted me via [00:14:21] my work email or my personal email, yet [00:14:23] you showed up my door. Um, it's quite a [00:14:27] disgusting thing. You could only imagine [00:14:29] if I showed up at anyone's door with my [00:14:33] camera, how it would be framed, the [00:14:36] narrative that would be used. And it was [00:14:37] quite disgusting to show up to and to [00:14:40] harass a woman uh reaching elderly age [00:14:43] who's lost over 150 family members [00:14:45] saying that asking whether or not what I [00:14:48] think the fact that I whether I should [00:14:50] be prosecuted for showing support for [00:14:53] particular groups merely because I'm [00:14:55] saying that the Palestinians have the [00:14:56] full right to engage in UN resolution [00:14:58] 3246. [00:15:00] That's it. That's the reality. if we're [00:15:03] just going to hit it nail on the head is [00:15:05] because constantly I would publicly [00:15:07] continue to say that Palestinians have [00:15:09] the full right to engage in resolution [00:15:11] UN 3246 [00:15:14] that occupied people have a right to [00:15:16] engage in armed resistance in pursuit of [00:15:21] in pursuit of self-determination and [00:15:23] actually condemns governments that does [00:15:24] not prescribe that right the irony is [00:15:26] that the UN correct me if I'm wrong man [00:15:29] as well as a lot of these resolutions [00:15:31] were was created [00:15:32] after witnessing the horrors of the [00:15:34] Holocaust as well as witnessing the [00:15:35] horrors of World War II. So these UN [00:15:38] resolutions were actually created to [00:15:39] design to not ever so it can never [00:15:41] happen again. But they just don't like [00:15:43] it when we apply it to the Palestinian [00:15:44] people because they like I said, hey, [00:15:46] Arabs are not allowed to engage in [00:15:48] self-defense on Muslim speaking people. [00:15:50] So that was quite the headache um from [00:15:54] this one event as journalist and Patrick [00:15:57] Sawyer eventually did write this article [00:15:59] about me where he provided [00:16:02] misinformation saying that I called for [00:16:04] the Islamization of the Palestine [00:16:06] movement which I've never done in my [00:16:07] life. I'm not afraid to say that I'm a [00:16:08] Muslim before. I'm a Palestinian but I [00:16:10] did not call for the Islamization of the [00:16:12] Palestine movement as well as that I [00:16:14] distributed [00:16:16] stickers. I don't even know about the [00:16:18] story of so I don't even know what but [00:16:21] seeing the the framing being subjected [00:16:24] to the to the targeting seeing the [00:16:27] misinformation that gets put out upon [00:16:29] yourself and being victim of the process [00:16:31] is exceptional. Um in addition to that [00:16:35] I've received physical violence. I've [00:16:38] been surrounded by like at least 10 [00:16:41] Zionists masks. I've received verbal [00:16:45] violence. I wake up to a message once a [00:16:48] week at least of being told I'm going to [00:16:51] slit your throat, being told being [00:16:54] called the P word, being called uh the N [00:16:58] word, being called just every disgusting [00:17:02] thing of hate under the sun. And I'm [00:17:06] literally just calling for the to see [00:17:08] because I want to see stop. I don't want [00:17:10] to see bones hanging and flesh of [00:17:13] children hanging out. That's the That's [00:17:15] the reality. It's disgusting. Um yeah, [00:17:18] I've been victim of verbal violence, [00:17:20] physical violence, um state violence, [00:17:23] but regardless of any type of attempt to [00:17:28] harass or intimidate me. It is [00:17:31] concerning, but will never shed an ounce [00:17:33] of fear because we learn from the [00:17:35] Palestinian people in Gaza. Um we learn [00:17:39] from our family members that we can [00:17:40] never meet again. And I think the only [00:17:42] thing that is fearful is what they went [00:17:46] through in their last seconds. Um, [00:17:50] that's what I will always remember. And [00:17:54] yeah, like the it's just kind of hard to [00:17:57] talk about even the the it's been so [00:18:00] relentless. [00:18:01] I've been accused of assaulting people [00:18:04] to then the police find that I never [00:18:07] touched anybody. Yet they use that as a [00:18:10] way for me to get arrested. [00:18:12] Um, Zionists walk past me at demos and [00:18:15] say, "How you doing, Assad? How you [00:18:17] doing?" You're right, Assad. Like, bro, [00:18:19] I don't even engage. No, I just [00:18:22] >> clearly clearly clearly they're [00:18:24] monitoring you. They know who you are. [00:18:26] They're sending people to intimidate [00:18:28] you. And um, this is obviously a form of [00:18:30] harassment and intimidation. Um, for [00:18:34] many people who have been smeared or [00:18:36] attacked for their dissent, this is [00:18:40] quite standard, but it seems like [00:18:41] they're taking it really far with [00:18:43] individuals like you because I mean, [00:18:44] just listening to you speak, Ibrahim, [00:18:46] your words are extremely powerful. [00:18:48] You're not just a regular organizer or [00:18:50] protester. Your words move people. [00:18:53] They're they strike emotions within [00:18:55] people. I mean, I myself, I'm sitting [00:18:57] here listening to you and I feel [00:18:58] inspired by your courage. [00:18:59] >> Felt like I was talking for too much. I [00:19:01] apologize. No, not at all. I I I I [00:19:04] sometime, you know, I was like, "Wow, [00:19:05] he's such a great speaker and we don't [00:19:07] even want him to stop speaking cuz [00:19:08] you're like, you know, you're striking a [00:19:09] chord with like we got to move. We got [00:19:11] to we have to stand up to the system and [00:19:13] you know, we're we can't be fearful." I [00:19:15] mean, this is this is poetic and it's [00:19:17] real, but it's your reality, too, [00:19:19] because you know, the truth is is that [00:19:21] you're being resilient right now. I'm [00:19:22] sure that this has invoked a lot of um [00:19:25] anxiety and hypervigilance because [00:19:27] they're watching you. They're showing up [00:19:28] at your door. They're harassing your [00:19:30] mom. They're harassing you in person, [00:19:32] online, but in the end, it's just an [00:19:34] intimidation campaign, like you said, [00:19:36] because you haven't broken the law. And [00:19:39] just how ironic and hypocritical it is [00:19:41] of the UK government and the US [00:19:44] establishment who uh present themselves [00:19:48] as these beacons of freedom and [00:19:50] democracy and free speech while they are [00:19:53] actively cracking down on any sort of [00:19:56] speech that is critical of Israel. We [00:19:58] can criticize our own government. We can [00:20:00] criticize Trump right now. We can [00:20:02] criticize David Lambie. We can criticize [00:20:04] the UK state for, you know, its military [00:20:07] actions in Africa, for example. But if [00:20:09] you say one word about Israel, a foreign [00:20:13] nation engaging in genocide and [00:20:15] apartheid, [00:20:17] you are targeted and accused of [00:20:19] anti-semitism in an intimidation [00:20:21] campaign. I mean, think about how much [00:20:23] power the state of Israel has right now [00:20:26] over our politicians. And they, you [00:20:28] know, I don't want to sound like a [00:20:29] conspiracy theorist. I said this in [00:20:30] another podcast, but I really feel like [00:20:32] Israel has so much dirt on our [00:20:34] politicians, like maybe like pedophilia [00:20:37] stuff, you know, some stuff that are [00:20:39] just so insane because they have them by [00:20:42] the throat and nobody within these [00:20:46] governments are willing to stand up for [00:20:48] them, unless of course you're from [00:20:49] independent parties and they just shoot [00:20:51] you down. Um, but they know what Israel [00:20:54] is capable of. They know that Israeli [00:20:56] intelligence is extremely powerful. [00:20:57] They've infiltrated everything to our [00:20:59] everyday devices and so they're capable [00:21:03] of doing so much damage. You know, even [00:21:06] false flag attacks. I mean, those are [00:21:07] all possible. I mean, look what Israel, [00:21:10] look what the Israeli intelligence [00:21:12] system did in Lebanon with the pager [00:21:15] attack. Just because they did it over [00:21:17] there doesn't mean they can't do it over [00:21:19] here. And now all of those surveillance [00:21:21] tech systems are here in America. ICE is [00:21:24] being is using them to surveil people. I [00:21:27] mean I walk through the streets Ibrahim [00:21:28] of Hebron of Al Khalil in the West Bank [00:21:32] and I covered the face scanning cameras. [00:21:34] Those face scanning cameras are in the [00:21:36] hands right now of ICE agents where they [00:21:39] just executed a woman in Minneapolis. [00:21:42] And so we think like all of these things [00:21:44] are not related. They all are like on [00:21:47] their own thing. But no, they're all [00:21:48] connected to the US Empire, to the [00:21:51] military-industrial complex, to white [00:21:53] supremacy, to uh this foreign policy [00:21:57] that is all about uh destruction and [00:22:01] extraction and control. And it's just so [00:22:04] horrifying what you've been through. And [00:22:06] I I didn't mean to go on a tangent here, [00:22:07] but let let's bring this back to the [00:22:10] crackdown because you are an organizer. [00:22:12] you've been at these protests that are [00:22:14] in support of Palestinian liberation and [00:22:16] like you said a lot of times people are [00:22:18] just calling for the UK to stop Israel [00:22:20] from killing people like it's just so [00:22:22] simple right and right now um you know [00:22:27] the the police and the UK government [00:22:30] have drones flying overhead the hunger [00:22:33] strikers at the at the UK prisons and [00:22:36] also they're they're monitoring every [00:22:39] single protester and person that's [00:22:41] coming out. Talk to me more about your [00:22:43] on the ground coverage of these protests [00:22:45] and what you know how far the police has [00:22:48] gone to to crack down on these people [00:22:51] and monitor the UK hunger strikers. [00:22:54] >> You know, before speaking about the [00:22:57] monitoring of the UK hunger strikers, [00:23:00] I grew up, alhamdulillah, I grew up in a [00:23:04] um I always had food on my plate. That's [00:23:06] all I would say. Um, nonetheless, I grew [00:23:09] up in a working-class community that can [00:23:11] be rough with police violence and state [00:23:13] violence. [00:23:15] That said, never have I ever seen the [00:23:19] significant level of police presence as [00:23:22] I did when elderly men and women were [00:23:25] holding up signs reading, "I oppose a [00:23:27] genocide and I support Palestine [00:23:29] action." Again, living in an area that I [00:23:33] can't tell you how many times I've been [00:23:34] stopped and searched because I was just [00:23:36] so happened to live in that area, it [00:23:39] doesn't matter. It doesn't match the [00:23:41] level of police presence that I see when [00:23:43] I am covering these demos of elderly [00:23:45] women, God knows of their health [00:23:47] conditions, and elderly men holding up [00:23:49] placards that literally reads, "I oppose [00:23:52] genocide and I support Palestine [00:23:53] action." If they are doing this to the [00:23:55] elderly white British men and women, [00:23:57] what are they going to do to [00:24:00] a Somali sister with a hijab on her [00:24:02] head? That's what I think of when I see [00:24:04] these demonstrations, when I see these [00:24:06] types of police repression and this type [00:24:08] of uh brutality. What how would they if [00:24:11] I'm seeing full police officers pick up [00:24:14] an elderly woman, an elderly man who's [00:24:17] has evident health conditions, what are [00:24:19] they going to do to me or the Muslim [00:24:21] community or the Arab community or [00:24:25] communities that have have had a [00:24:27] significant long history of police [00:24:29] repression and police violence. I've [00:24:31] been covering demonstrations I would say [00:24:34] from Impress for the last like two three [00:24:37] years and we have seen an escalation of [00:24:40] police violence. We saw efforts in the [00:24:43] beginning of the genocide of them [00:24:44] attempting to criminalize certain [00:24:47] phrases for example from the river to [00:24:49] the sea and now apparently it's illegal [00:24:51] or I don't know if a law was ever passed [00:24:54] but people are getting arrested for [00:24:55] saying globalize the inter father. Um to [00:24:59] any officer watching this now me saying [00:25:01] this is not me calling for the [00:25:02] globalization of the insaf father but [00:25:04] it's disgusting because they are [00:25:06] weaponizing language into father from my [00:25:09] understanding means to shake off the [00:25:10] chains. So what you're doing and this is [00:25:14] what we grew up in. You would know [00:25:16] better than me living in America post [00:25:18] 911. We are seeing the weaponization of [00:25:21] language and the weaponization of [00:25:24] narratives to fuel the demonization as [00:25:27] well as the dehumanization of people [00:25:30] from our communities. that legitimizes [00:25:32] our annihilation which what we saw [00:25:35] across [00:25:36] uh whether we're talking about ales [00:25:38] whether we're talking about whether [00:25:40] we're talking about the scenes in [00:25:42] Kashmir it's because we constantly saw [00:25:47] state violence being coupled with [00:25:49] language that demonizes people from our [00:25:51] communities but to bring it back in [00:25:54] terms of the escalation of police [00:25:56] violence now we have groups being [00:26:00] prescribed ried as terrorist [00:26:02] organizations despite them according to [00:26:05] my knowledge never killing anyone or [00:26:07] significantly harming them. We have [00:26:11] journalists in the UK. I believe Richard [00:26:14] Medhhurst was one of them that was [00:26:17] arrested for his coverage. I believe [00:26:20] Clarenberg also faced um uh repression [00:26:25] from the state as a result of his [00:26:26] coverage. We are seeing doctors such as [00:26:29] Dr. Rahma having going through [00:26:32] harassment from the Israel lobby who are [00:26:34] attempting to revoke her from her [00:26:36] medical license. We have individuals, [00:26:40] activists, students such as Osama in [00:26:43] King's College London whose visa is [00:26:47] being stripped in the process of being [00:26:50] stripped. Why? because he's calling for [00:26:52] the liberation belonging to the [00:26:54] Palestinian people who according to [00:26:56] Franchesca Albanese in Gaza over 680 or [00:27:01] 600,000 sorry Palestinians have been [00:27:03] killed. We're seeing I always say mana [00:27:06] if they could that they would rip out [00:27:08] your tongue if they were able to because [00:27:11] we're very much feeling that and we've [00:27:13] experienced that on a social media point [00:27:15] of view with the algorithm as well as [00:27:17] the social media census that we [00:27:19] constantly face on a daily basis. But [00:27:22] right now you have an individual [00:27:27] multiple individuals have already [00:27:28] engaged in it. But currently you have [00:27:30] Kaman Ahmed as well as Heba Moresi who [00:27:32] have starved their bodies to reject [00:27:36] their imprisonment as they have been [00:27:38] imprisoned without trial. I I didn't [00:27:42] know that we live in a society where [00:27:43] you're guilty before proven innocent, [00:27:45] but it's clear that we do. [00:27:47] And what was their crime for allegedly [00:27:50] targeting an arms factory? An Israeli [00:27:54] arms factory? Elbit Systems. Please, [00:27:57] everyone, Google Elbert Systems. Go on [00:28:00] their website, look at their weaponry, [00:28:02] and look how they market it. Check it [00:28:04] out for yourself. And this is a company [00:28:07] that promotes its weaponry as [00:28:09] battlefield tested. Don't worry, guys. [00:28:12] We've wiped out 22,000 children across [00:28:15] the strip. It works. Hey, hey, hey. If [00:28:17] you even need us to play uh the noise of [00:28:19] a baby crying to lure out individuals, [00:28:22] it works. The volume is loud enough [00:28:24] because we've witnessed it and their [00:28:27] profits have soared post throughout the [00:28:29] genocide and post genocide. So you have [00:28:32] a Israeli private arms company, Elbert [00:28:34] Systems, that provides at least 70% of [00:28:37] the Israeli military with its drone fle [00:28:40] drone fleet described as a backbone for [00:28:43] the Israeli military drone fleet. drones [00:28:45] that were used over the skies of Iraq [00:28:47] and Afghanistan, such as the Hermes 450, [00:28:50] that survey Palestinians and kill [00:28:53] Palestinians. [00:28:55] So, these activists are imprisoned for [00:28:58] allegedly targeting a factory that is [00:29:01] creating the drones for an army that is [00:29:05] being investigated for plausible [00:29:06] genocide. The same army that is accused [00:29:11] of raping Palestinians to death. The [00:29:14] same army that is accused of firing [00:29:18] white phosphorus in civilian areas. The [00:29:20] same army that is stolen the lives of [00:29:23] over 250 Palestinian journalists. [00:29:27] The same army that has killed 30 over 30 [00:29:32] American servicemen. [00:29:34] The same army that killed over a 100red [00:29:37] Brits in the King David hotel bombing. [00:29:40] Why is it that Britain continues to [00:29:41] support Zionism when Zionism has killed [00:29:44] British citizens, hey, not only did it [00:29:46] do it in the King David bombing hotel, [00:29:48] it did it throughout the genocide. Hey, [00:29:50] it even killed former British army [00:29:52] officials. [00:29:54] And Kama will continue to bank roll and [00:29:56] write that check for Israel as Donald [00:29:58] Trump continues to legitimize [00:30:01] Netanyahu's policies. But nothing is [00:30:03] legitimate about the state of Israel. [00:30:04] And I'll be the first one to tell you [00:30:06] that it is an occupational state that is [00:30:09] built upon Palestinian occupied [00:30:11] Palestinian land. And we must make sure [00:30:13] that we use the correct narrative as [00:30:15] well as the correct language when we [00:30:17] speak of such issues. It is not the [00:30:19] state of Israel. It is the occupational [00:30:22] state of Israel. It is not the IDF. It [00:30:24] is the IOF. It is not self-defense. It [00:30:28] is a genocide. And we must be very well [00:30:31] aware and man honestly bringing back [00:30:34] earlier conversation I think this is [00:30:35] what they fear and I think this is why [00:30:38] individuals like yourself David Miller [00:30:42] Loki [00:30:44] Dr. like other people many other people [00:30:46] have been targeted because they probably [00:30:50] thought we were just one perception. And [00:30:52] I don't know if it feeds into their own [00:30:54] racist stereotypes of what Arabs and [00:30:56] Muslims, but we are well versed and we [00:30:57] are well educated. [00:31:00] And when we look at education, I'll be [00:31:01] the first to say it is that it is his [00:31:04] story. And who is he? It is a rich old [00:31:08] white man. And all of those things are [00:31:11] key. So when we talk about the history [00:31:13] of Islam or when we talk about the [00:31:16] history of Africa, usually that [00:31:18] narrative is the dominant narrative, the [00:31:20] old rich white man. [00:31:22] I remember I was saying it to my mom. I [00:31:24] was like, "Mom, it's crazy. There was [00:31:26] only five channels once upon a time and [00:31:28] there was probably only one news [00:31:30] channel." And mama said to me, "No, no, [00:31:31] no, no. I there was only three channels [00:31:33] and we didn't even have channel 4 yet." [00:31:35] So then I sit and I ask myself, how are [00:31:38] they framing Muslims when there was only [00:31:40] one news channel or Arabs or people from [00:31:43] our communities? And what we have now is [00:31:45] the access of information. And what [00:31:47] we've realized throughout the Gaza [00:31:48] genocide is that information is a [00:31:50] weapon. And by having that access of [00:31:52] information empowers us because [00:31:54] knowledge is power and we're going to [00:31:56] use that power to speak truth to power. [00:32:00] We're not going to be a voice for the [00:32:02] voiceless because one thing that we've [00:32:03] realized is that the Palestinian men, [00:32:05] the Sudanese women, the congalles [00:32:08] children are as loud as ever, but they [00:32:11] are intentionally silenced by the [00:32:13] mainstream media. So whether it be the [00:32:15] work that we do here at M Press, [00:32:17] activism, filming, videography, even if [00:32:20] I have to sweep the streets for the rest [00:32:22] of my life, so be it. I will just make [00:32:24] sure that the work that I do platforms [00:32:27] those voices, not those that are [00:32:30] voiceless, but those that are [00:32:32] intentionally silenced. [00:32:36] >> Ibraim, it's been such a pleasure [00:32:38] listening to you. I can't believe you're [00:32:40] like in your mid20s because you speak uh [00:32:44] so uh with such poant words and uh with [00:32:48] precision and in such a poetic and [00:32:50] inspiring way and I'm so sorry for [00:32:52] everything that you have been through. [00:32:54] It's an honor and pleasure to work with [00:32:56] you. you are our um videographer and [00:33:00] graphic designer based in the UK and you [00:33:03] know we're always learning so much about [00:33:05] how uh the UK has basically showing its [00:33:08] true face uh as being this authoritarian [00:33:12] uh place not the beacon of freedom and [00:33:15] democracy as it promotes itself to be [00:33:17] in. We have to wrap it up. Um so thank [00:33:20] you so much. We'll continue this [00:33:21] conversation again and we're definitely [00:33:23] going to have more of these podcasts [00:33:25] with you and thank you so much. [00:33:28] >> Thank you for having me. Um, thank you [00:33:30] for having me. I'm free Palestine as [00:33:32] always. [00:33:42] [music]