Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123

[00:00:00] all right guys I'm really excited about [00:00:01] this because everybody sees him on the [00:00:03] internet he's always interviewing people [00:00:04] he's quite controversial but not really [00:00:06] controversial because he just hosts the [00:00:08] controversies he's like a Jerry Springer [00:00:10] of YouTube it's been very very effective [00:00:14] Piers Morgan welcome to Candace oh it's [00:00:15] great to be here the I used to love [00:00:17] Jerry Springer I actually did America's [00:00:19] Got Talent with Jerry Springer I was a [00:00:21] judge he was the host we both lived at [00:00:23] the Beverly Wilshire Hotel in Los [00:00:25] Angeles and we used to lie by the pool [00:00:27] on our sandbeds and plot global [00:00:30] domination together so I take that as a [00:00:31] great compliment you should I was [00:00:32] shocked when I learned that he was a [00:00:34] Brit well not only that was he born here [00:00:37] during the second world war by the way [00:00:39] during the Blitz in one of the subway [00:00:42] tunnels um but Jerry was a fascinating [00:00:44] guy he was the mayor of Cincinnati he [00:00:46] was a TV serious news anchor for many [00:00:49] years and then he got asked by the [00:00:51] network can you just do this pilot for [00:00:52] this crazy new show he didn't really [00:00:54] want to do it he did it and it became so [00:00:57] unbelievably successful and made so many [00:01:00] hundreds of millions of dollars he could [00:01:02] never leave it alone but he used to say [00:01:03] to me it is the worst show on TV but [00:01:06] it's making me unbelievably rich and uh [00:01:08] it was a fascinating story he was a [00:01:10] really interesting character actually [00:01:11] yeah he's a legend I mean you just can't [00:01:13] deny it he did something totally [00:01:14] different and yeah it was trashy TV but [00:01:16] also we all grew up watching it at some [00:01:18] and there was an honesty to it you know [00:01:20] where people everyone knew what was [00:01:21] going on they all went on for a reason [00:01:23] to have their moment they wanted to have [00:01:25] their moment and their story and who are [00:01:27] we to be snobbish enough to say you're [00:01:29] not allowed to We only listen to Beyonce [00:01:31] these days it's like you know it was [00:01:33] kind of egalitarian I liked it yeah I [00:01:35] agree so I think the critique that [00:01:37] people would have of you is they don't [00:01:38] really know what you believe like are [00:01:40] you a chronic fence sitter do you [00:01:42] actually believe anything or do your [00:01:44] opinions just go to return the to return [00:01:47] this little passive aggressive hand [00:01:49] movement uh I'm a journalist and what [00:01:52] I've realized especially in the last two [00:01:54] or three years as the YouTube side of [00:01:56] what I've done has got bigger and bigger [00:01:58] I've I've reverted back much more to [00:02:00] being a journalist I don't think [00:02:02] journalists should be ideological about [00:02:04] the news i' like to have people on who [00:02:07] are ideologues right and left I like to [00:02:10] be the ring Master to their debates as [00:02:11] you said the the Jerry figure if you [00:02:13] like um but I've become far less [00:02:17] probably in my head far less inclined to [00:02:20] position myself to left or right if [00:02:22] you'd ask me 3 four years ago i' have [00:02:24] said look my natural politics are [00:02:26] probably a little lesser Center but the [00:02:29] woke have been so insane that rather [00:02:32] like Bill Mah I now get identified by [00:02:35] the left as conservative because [00:02:37] actually I'm just not prepared to [00:02:38] entertain any of the woke Madness and in [00:02:41] that process the pendulum of my personal [00:02:43] politics has probably shifted much more [00:02:46] Central if not slightly center right but [00:02:49] if you ask me what I am I don't say a [00:02:51] conservative or liberal or any of these [00:02:53] things now I say I'm a journalist and my [00:02:55] job is to actually hold everyone to [00:02:57] account and I think we do that in a way [00:02:59] that's actually reasonably unique now in [00:03:02] the the world that we're in I'm the one [00:03:04] that holds all these big debates they [00:03:06] get very fiery but we get everybody on [00:03:08] and I like that I actually think you are [00:03:10] doing a tremendous job I have to say [00:03:11] that I wasn't so keen on peers four [00:03:13] years ago but I think this year you have [00:03:15] actually proven yourself to be very even [00:03:17] just hosting both sides allowing both [00:03:19] people to speak and not giving into sort [00:03:22] of the ad homin and attacks the things [00:03:24] that are dismissive like you will call [00:03:26] out someone and say this is not debating [00:03:28] you're just calling this person names so [00:03:31] you I also know like someone like you [00:03:32] for example right you people ask about [00:03:35] you and they say well she's this this [00:03:36] this and this what I've learned is don't [00:03:38] necessarily buy into those narratives go [00:03:41] and actually do your own research work [00:03:42] out what these people actually said see [00:03:45] the context of which they said it see [00:03:47] what their explanation was for why they [00:03:48] said it often leads you to a very [00:03:50] different conclusion than the ones that [00:03:52] people like to easily pigeonhole people [00:03:54] into and that again is something I've [00:03:56] had to learn I was I used to be very [00:03:58] judgmental as a newspaper editor in [00:04:00] particular and I think I've tried to be [00:04:03] less judgmental now I have lots of [00:04:04] opinions but when it comes to [00:04:06] individuals in particular let me just [00:04:08] find out myself and I think that is a [00:04:11] healthy thing to do in a world where [00:04:13] there's a lot of AD hobin and a lot of [00:04:15] twisting going on a lot of little cuts [00:04:17] that appear I see it myself about about [00:04:19] me and I often say to people I know you [00:04:22] think I'm really controversial but what [00:04:24] is the view of mind that you find most [00:04:26] controversial and when they try and [00:04:28] answer they really struggle [00:04:30] because all they've seen is me on Tik [00:04:32] Tok and someone shouting and blah they [00:04:34] haven't actually listened to what My [00:04:35] Views are that's exactly right and I [00:04:38] think we saw that definitely I know I [00:04:39] defended you on my show a long time ago [00:04:42] when everything went down and you got [00:04:43] fired and the media was spitting this as [00:04:45] if you were a racist I that all the [00:04:48] things that you could have said about [00:04:49] beer Morgan I was like okay he's [00:04:51] suddenly a racist now it was so [00:04:52] Preposterous and in fact worse than what [00:04:54] happened to me was what happened to [00:04:57] Sharon Osborne if you remember at the [00:04:58] talk who Cheryl Underwood and the show [00:05:01] is now being canned I'm pleased to say [00:05:03] because it really died that day when [00:05:05] they did this because it's a show called [00:05:07] The Talk you're supposed to be allowed [00:05:08] to talk Sharon just supported me she [00:05:10] didn't even say she agreed with what I [00:05:12] said about Mega Marco although now [00:05:14] ironically I'd have been fired for [00:05:16] saying the complete opposite if I said I [00:05:18] believed Mega Markle after the opr [00:05:19] interview people would now fire me for [00:05:21] believing Pinocchio right so at the time [00:05:24] it was seemed so contentious and [00:05:26] outrageous to disbelieve her or to think [00:05:29] a lot of what she was saying couldn't [00:05:30] possibly be true um now it doesn't seem [00:05:33] that way but Sharon all she did was say [00:05:35] I support peer we've been friends for a [00:05:36] long time we worked again on America's [00:05:38] Got Talent with Jerry and she was just [00:05:40] showing a bit of loyalty to me without [00:05:42] actually getting into what I'd said and [00:05:44] then Cher what even supporting with [00:05:46] these racist things he said and she hang [00:05:48] on hang on what racist thing did he say [00:05:52] and it all blew up she got blindsided [00:05:55] all and she got fired from a talker job [00:05:57] she loved for having the audacity to [00:05:59] support me even though everyone knew I [00:06:02] hadn't said a racist thing not one word [00:06:04] Sher Underwood couldn't actually say [00:06:06] what it was I was supposed to said that [00:06:08] was racist it was utterly shameful of [00:06:10] CBS to do what they did to Sharon that [00:06:12] day and the Fallout from that whole [00:06:14] Oprah interview if you watched the whole [00:06:16] sequence of events really a shocking [00:06:18] attack on freedom of speech it's really [00:06:20] what it came down to you could say [00:06:22] something right now I'm entitled to say [00:06:24] I don't believe you right and you're [00:06:26] entitled to say well I'm right because [00:06:28] boom boom boom boom boom but the idea [00:06:30] that your first reaction is if you don't [00:06:32] believe me you're [00:06:33] racist because I'm not white so sorry [00:06:37] what that's the criteria I'm not allowed [00:06:40] to disbelieve you because of your skin [00:06:42] color that's how Preposterous it was you [00:06:45] know what it's it's really interesting [00:06:46] because obviously I kind of made my mark [00:06:48] as a black woman who was anti- BLM from [00:06:50] the very beginning because I saw this I [00:06:52] saw this this budding and people who [00:06:54] sort of were taking this perspective [00:06:56] that black people became Untouchable [00:06:58] after the George Floyd you they're [00:06:59] allowed to steal a flat screen TV from [00:07:01] Target you can't criticize that and if [00:07:02] you do it's because you're a racist not [00:07:04] because you have some basic dignity and [00:07:06] morals uh but I'm seeing the same thing [00:07:09] now it kind of has changed definitely [00:07:12] post October 7th and I've I've seen [00:07:14] those same accusations where it's like [00:07:16] okay well if you're critiquing this [00:07:17] foreign nation in BB Netanyahu of course [00:07:20] none of us would want our Jewish friends [00:07:22] to be harassed but it's the same exact [00:07:24] same woke game of well you criticize the [00:07:27] Israeli government you must be anti yeah [00:07:30] you hate juice and it works the other [00:07:31] way too I see it on both sides but this [00:07:33] is where we've got to and it's the same [00:07:35] with the Trans debate about trans [00:07:37] athletes in women's sport we may get to [00:07:39] that but I felt very strongly about that [00:07:41] that any any attempt to challenge the [00:07:44] accepted view that this is fair and [00:07:46] rational to allow biological men to put [00:07:50] their hands up say they're women and [00:07:51] compete in women's sport and and Hammer [00:07:54] women into the ground literally with [00:07:55] their fists in boxing rings in the [00:07:57] Olympics the idea if you do that you are [00:07:59] transphobic that you have a hatred of [00:08:01] trans people I just find completely [00:08:04] outrageous and it's being used more and [00:08:06] more by the woke left as a form of as [00:08:10] Elon calls it a form of Communism really [00:08:13] this is communism at Bay I call it [00:08:15] fascism it's the same kind of thing in [00:08:17] the sense of it's a group of militant [00:08:19] people who are trying to shut down any [00:08:21] descent trying to make everyone see the [00:08:23] world through their narrow prism be [00:08:26] communism or fascism it's the same [00:08:28] mindset and we will destroy people 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[00:09:54] pressure that you're speaking about at [00:09:56] the top is it's really important to [00:09:57] speak to this because in a way you [00:09:59] either conform or you get fired once you [00:10:01] get to a certain uh level in life and uh [00:10:05] we obviously saw this with you it's like [00:10:06] either you say good things about Megan [00:10:08] Markle because right now we're at the [00:10:09] tail in of BLM and you can't insult a [00:10:11] woman who's doesn't even if I'm looking [00:10:13] objectively look black um wouldn't have [00:10:15] guessed she was black if she didn't [00:10:17] offer it but um you're seeing that with [00:10:19] Sharon Osborne it's like okay well you [00:10:21] now have to make a decision are you [00:10:22] going to be a decent human being and a [00:10:24] good friend and be honest about the fact [00:10:25] that you know this man you've known him [00:10:26] for years and he's not a racist or are [00:10:29] you going to say well you know Pier [00:10:30] shouldn't have said the thing pece of [00:10:33] your soul dies but at least you get to [00:10:34] keep your career we're seeing people [00:10:36] confronted with that well I was told [00:10:38] very categorically by ITV here uh who [00:10:41] are the NBC of the UK uh they said look [00:10:45] if you apologize for disbelieving her [00:10:48] you can keep your job um and I said well [00:10:51] I'm not going to do that which I think [00:10:52] they probably knew and I literally left [00:10:54] that afternoon I it was a faded compete [00:10:56] you you apologize you keep the job in [00:10:58] other words you grovel you groel to [00:11:01] Megan marle who unbeknown to me had [00:11:03] written a personal letter to the chief [00:11:05] executive of the company who was a woman [00:11:08] and had said to her I write to you as a [00:11:09] woman and as a mother you have to fire [00:11:12] him and I wasn't told that in the [00:11:14] deliberations that went on that day had [00:11:17] I known that I would have gone public [00:11:18] with the whole thing and had a very [00:11:19] different argument with them I would [00:11:21] have just dug my heels in and went you [00:11:22] can really allow this Duchess to decide [00:11:24] who works at ITV um I only found this [00:11:27] out after the event two days later that [00:11:29] would have changed how things played out [00:11:31] quite significantly but what was [00:11:32] interesting was and in the moment it was [00:11:34] also febra uh it was kind of chaotic in [00:11:36] May air and it was leading the news and [00:11:38] everything else and I just remembered it [00:11:40] turned on a dime in about 24 hours I [00:11:43] began walking around I felt like the pi [00:11:45] Piper there were literally people bus [00:11:48] drivers tooting horns cab drivers [00:11:50] cheering me public coming across roads [00:11:52] to hug me to shake my hand because they [00:11:55] understood that actually what it was [00:11:57] about was a battle for free speech and [00:11:59] they understood that if you want to be [00:12:01] actually British or American obviously [00:12:02] but if you want to be British actually [00:12:04] you got to fight for free speech this is [00:12:06] what Churchill fought the Nazis about [00:12:09] freedom and democracy and Free Speech [00:12:12] people lost their lives on battlefields [00:12:14] so that we have the right to actually [00:12:16] exercise our right to free speech and [00:12:18] this played really strongly with the [00:12:20] public I had a book out it had just come [00:12:22] out I remember it was like number 2,000 [00:12:24] on the Amazon chart just first few days [00:12:26] it went to number one in three days and [00:12:28] it's stayed there for weeks and sold a [00:12:31] huge amount of copies cuz the book was [00:12:33] called wake up and it was a claring call [00:12:35] to the liberal left to wake up and stop [00:12:38] this woke Madness before it was too late [00:12:41] and I'm almost going to another book [00:12:42] going told you right because you look at [00:12:44] the scale of Trump's win in the US [00:12:46] election and you one of the reasons was [00:12:49] cost of living obviously one was illegal [00:12:51] immigration but a third big plank of [00:12:53] this was the basic destruction of the [00:12:56] woke mind virus they brought in a [00:12:58] vaccine Trump and Elon Musk you know who [00:13:01] basic I know you won't like the an [00:13:02] allergy to a vaccine but they vaccinated [00:13:05] the the M the woke mind virus in [00:13:07] spectacular fashion and a lot of young [00:13:10] men in particular went I'm just done [00:13:12] with this I'm sorry I'm just done with [00:13:14] this crap it's not based on fact I'm not [00:13:17] going to be bullied anymore into going [00:13:18] along with this nonsense and I'm going [00:13:20] to exercise my right to freedom and [00:13:22] freedom of speech and freedom of thought [00:13:24] and expression and I think that was [00:13:26] really important part of that election [00:13:27] actually and I'm very glad glad to have [00:13:29] seen it I've just noticed some things [00:13:32] being someone that's married to an [00:13:32] Englishman that there there are these [00:13:34] slight differences across the pond and [00:13:36] it's it's hard for people to really [00:13:37] understand what those differences are [00:13:39] but there is no battle for free speech [00:13:41] in the UK I would say it's already lost [00:13:44] and I think that's why you're a very [00:13:46] interesting character because you're [00:13:48] quite American what I would say [00:13:50] spiritually I would say you're American [00:13:52] in that you kind of take the fight to [00:13:54] the front you'll Stand by Your [00:13:55] principles and British Society is can be [00:13:58] quite complacent I would almost say they [00:14:00] prefer to be polite rather than to fight [00:14:03] and what we're seeing happening here now [00:14:05] in terms of speech what's happening with [00:14:07] Kier starmer uh the censorship that's [00:14:10] being called for it's quite appalling [00:14:13] but I don't really understand in the [00:14:15] fabric of England how it's possible to [00:14:19] change that or go the other direction we [00:14:21] have a very strong establishment in this [00:14:23] country which is a bit of an anathema to [00:14:25] Americans um don't really understand it [00:14:27] it comes down from the Royal Family from [00:14:30] um from a sense of class that we have in [00:14:33] this country of privilege of wealth you [00:14:35] know going back to the wealthy land [00:14:36] owners who ruled the roost and The [00:14:38] Peasants were all doing all the hard [00:14:39] graft and it's not like that anymore but [00:14:42] certainly there's still this sense of [00:14:43] the establishment and if you dare to [00:14:45] take on the establishment then you can [00:14:47] end up in very hot water very quickly [00:14:50] and people here are probably naturally [00:14:52] slightly more polite than Americans [00:14:54] about these things slightly more [00:14:55] reverential we still do our cap to the [00:14:58] monarchy which you find completely [00:14:59] absurd um although I always think if it [00:15:01] hadn't been for Mad King George III you [00:15:03] would still have a monarchy and you [00:15:05] might even have King pier and wouldn't [00:15:06] things be better for America if you did [00:15:09] um but I think the the yeah I think it's [00:15:11] a fair criticism that Americans do tend [00:15:13] to have that that's why I think one of [00:15:15] the Great Moments of the election for [00:15:16] Trump was the fight fight fight when he [00:15:18] got shot was that instinctive combative [00:15:21] streak of fight we are an nation of [00:15:23] Fighters here too but we've been [00:15:25] battered into submission particularly on [00:15:27] issues like free speech I feel very [00:15:29] uncomfortable when I see people you know [00:15:31] grandmothers being rounded up and put in [00:15:33] prison for something they put on [00:15:34] Facebook even if what they're putting is [00:15:36] offensive and horrible and vile actually [00:15:39] as Churchill himself said you know the [00:15:41] thing about free speech is it's not [00:15:43] listening to stuff that you agree with [00:15:44] it's about the ability to hear things [00:15:46] you really don't agree with vehemently [00:15:49] but accepting that someone's right to [00:15:50] free speech now I I get there are lines [00:15:53] about incitement to hatred and violence [00:15:55] of course there are but really old [00:15:57] people gobbing off on Facebook they're [00:15:59] going to prison when you think about [00:16:01] types of people who don't go to prison [00:16:03] these days I think a lot of people in [00:16:04] Britain feel uncomfortable about this [00:16:06] creeping censorship and as someone who [00:16:09] lost his job big job here over a really [00:16:11] crude example of censorship that's an [00:16:14] example where ironically the the UK [00:16:17] regulator for television which again [00:16:18] Americans wouldn't understand what that [00:16:20] concept is but we have a television [00:16:22] regulator called ofcom who regulate how [00:16:24] people can behave on the Airways they [00:16:26] ended up finding in my favor and said [00:16:28] that had I not been able to say what I [00:16:30] said that day on Good Morning Britain [00:16:32] about Mega Marco it would have been a [00:16:34] chilling infringement of my free free [00:16:36] speech rights but why is a media company [00:16:38] having to be told that by the television [00:16:40] regulator completely bizarre so I do [00:16:43] think that look you have the First [00:16:44] Amendment which is an amazingly strong [00:16:46] powerful tool um and I think that we [00:16:49] lack something like that here and I [00:16:51] think it's really you know Elon Musk has [00:16:54] done a lot of stuff on this on on X I [00:16:56] don't agree with all of him about about [00:16:57] what he's saying but I certainly think [00:16:59] he's hid onto something which is the [00:17:00] natural instinct these days is to censor [00:17:02] people and that's a dangerous path to go [00:17:05] down take me through like your typical [00:17:08] day I think people want to know who you [00:17:10] are off the clock because you obviously [00:17:12] are very involved you follow politics [00:17:15] you are definitely giving a platform to [00:17:16] people to at least expand their mind [00:17:18] even if they don't agree they're hearing [00:17:20] different version of events but who are [00:17:21] you actually off the clock well I like I [00:17:24] said I've been a journalist all my life [00:17:25] so I see myself as a a I'm I'm a news [00:17:28] junkie so when I was seven or eight [00:17:30] years old we used to get the Daily Mail [00:17:31] newspaper just a print paper then [00:17:33] obviously and my mom remembers we going [00:17:35] through it me I'm 7 years old going [00:17:37] through Reading out headlines in a daily [00:17:38] mail and asking about the story that's [00:17:40] not normal so I had it in my blood there [00:17:42] were a few journalists in my in my on my [00:17:44] mother's side and the family and I I had [00:17:48] this News Junkie side to me I had to [00:17:50] know what was happening you might call [00:17:52] it I'm an inveterate gossip and that's [00:17:54] partly to do with wanting to be the [00:17:55] first with information and then to tell [00:17:57] people what could be more exciting than [00:17:59] being the first to know stuff and then [00:18:01] imparting it to the world so it was in [00:18:03] my blood and even today I get five [00:18:05] newspapers through the every day on my [00:18:08] doormat and I love I used to run two big [00:18:11] newspapers in in the UK um two big [00:18:13] National papers for 10 years and I love [00:18:17] the sound of a thud of newspapers which [00:18:20] I know sounds very [00:18:28] sons are 31 27 24 they don't read print [00:18:31] newspapers obviously they just read [00:18:33] everything on their phones or whatever [00:18:35] it may be so I'm part of a Dying [00:18:37] generation of people who still like [00:18:39] newspapers but I love the thud of five [00:18:42] newspapers I get the times the telegraph [00:18:44] The Daily Mail the sun and the financial [00:18:46] times and they hit like a thud and it [00:18:49] still gets my juices flowing and it's [00:18:52] often early like at 5: in the morning I [00:18:54] get up early sleeping is cheating I get [00:18:56] up early and I read the and I PA four [00:18:58] over them with my old editor eye just [00:19:01] for seeing what's going on then I'm onto [00:19:03] my phone I'm checking all the American [00:19:05] sites New York po New York Times Daily [00:19:07] News whatever it may be LA Times I'm [00:19:10] checking X obviously see what's going on [00:19:12] checking what you're up to what Mayhem [00:19:13] you're causing and a few of the big [00:19:15] people in my space and just seeing who's [00:19:16] doing what and what Clips are flying [00:19:18] around what's trending and so by like 7 [00:19:20] in the morning I've had a really good [00:19:21] Snapshot not just of what's Happening [00:19:23] Here um which I only do out of habit [00:19:25] really because all my material is now [00:19:27] aimed to an American audience primarily [00:19:30] um but I like that I live here most of [00:19:32] the time I've got a place in La and I go [00:19:33] to America for 3 four months of a year [00:19:35] but I still consider this my home um but [00:19:37] I love to know the new so by 7: a.m. I [00:19:39] know everything that's happened and I [00:19:41] know where I should be thinking about [00:19:43] what I should be doing on my show and by [00:19:46] then maybe like at 10:00 my showrunner [00:19:49] Alex will call me and he'll talk me [00:19:52] through what the plan is for the show [00:19:54] some of the bookings I'll have been [00:19:55] involved with others will be new to me [00:19:57] we have a mixture of one-on-one and [00:19:59] debates um today's a classic example [00:20:02] we've got you one-on-one we've got Eric [00:20:04] Weinstein one-on-one we have a big [00:20:05] debate about Israel Gaza and where we [00:20:08] are with all that and bringing in uh uh [00:20:12] Iran and Ukraine and then we're going to [00:20:13] have a big debate about America and [00:20:15] probably actually factoring in on Trump [00:20:19] and this $15 million payout he got from [00:20:21] ABC which is an extraordinary moment for [00:20:24] Legacy Media when they're having to hand [00:20:25] Donald Trump a11 million $50 million [00:20:28] check for calling him a rapist which is [00:20:30] what they've all been doing with [00:20:31] impunity for years I think these are [00:20:33] kind of fascinating water cooler [00:20:35] subjects so that's the day pretty well [00:20:37] planned out but as you know anything can [00:20:39] happen you know I've been there quietly [00:20:41] congratulating myself on I'm show well [00:20:43] done come back home maybe open a bottle [00:20:46] of fine French Bordeaux have a little [00:20:47] glug and then I hear Trump just got shot [00:20:50] and then you know and I know okay well [00:20:52] that's the next three weeks gone then [00:20:54] and everything changes so I love that [00:20:56] again I love the the the D dynamism of [00:20:59] the news where things can change in a [00:21:01] heartbeat literally and um through the [00:21:04] day I'll then keep reading stuff talking [00:21:06] to people might you know speak to a few [00:21:08] people who've got a particular expert [00:21:10] view about any of these issues you get a [00:21:11] sense of what they think um you're [00:21:14] always trying to cut through all the [00:21:15] partisan noise and the people on the [00:21:18] extremities of debate now the thing [00:21:19] about X is I think under Elon might be a [00:21:22] bit better now but it used to be that [00:21:24] 10% of the people on X made 80% of a [00:21:27] noise and you think about that and [00:21:29] they're normally skewing to the [00:21:30] extremities a lot of extreme noise going [00:21:33] on and you need to cut through that and [00:21:35] get to an underbelly of more interesting [00:21:37] and rational debate with people to know [00:21:39] what they're talking about you might not [00:21:40] agree with them but I always want to get [00:21:42] a sense like when you and I debate I [00:21:44] often think I don't agree with you but [00:21:45] actually it's a really interesting [00:21:46] debate right right you've put the yards [00:21:48] in to formulate your opinion you're not [00:21:50] just thinking of the first thing you've [00:21:52] seen on TI Tok and I think that's [00:21:53] they're the type of guests I like if I [00:21:55] like it more if I don't agree with them [00:21:57] because it's more interesting you got a [00:21:58] little journey of exploration and I also [00:22:00] don't like to be now and this is not how [00:22:03] I used to be used to be very [00:22:04] intransigent I we come to some of my [00:22:06] more intransigent moments which I don't [00:22:08] look back on in glory but I certainly [00:22:10] feel like I want to learn from people I [00:22:13] often end the debate Now by saying to [00:22:15] people do you know what I've learned so [00:22:17] much from that debate and that was [00:22:18] really interesting and you especially [00:22:20] when you have two sets of people who [00:22:22] know the facts but are interpreting [00:22:24] those facts differently but they're not [00:22:26] challenging the reality of what happened [00:22:27] they're just saying in my opinion this [00:22:30] means XY Z and the other person goes no [00:22:33] no no it means boom boom boom try to [00:22:35] work out actually what does it mean you [00:22:38] know people often say to me if you go [00:22:39] back to the start of the Israel and [00:22:42] Palestine conflict and say 48 and go [00:22:44] back a lot further but say you go back [00:22:45] to 48 you could construct a very good [00:22:47] argument for both sides over the next 75 [00:22:50] years you could if you were just sitting [00:22:52] back and just taking a set of facts and [00:22:55] trying to present the the argument for [00:22:56] the defense of Israel or the [00:22:59] Palestinians you could do a powerful [00:23:01] piece for both and it was a Jewish [00:23:03] journalist called Jonathan fredland who [00:23:04] actually said that which I thought was [00:23:06] interesting um and I sort of agree with [00:23:08] that about almost all issues and the the [00:23:11] challenge is to really get into the the [00:23:13] weeds of these debates analyze the facts [00:23:16] hear the different opinions and then [00:23:18] hopefully the depending on the power of [00:23:20] the argument the viewers at home a they [00:23:23] learn a lot which is really a perfect [00:23:25] show for me where they're learning [00:23:26] things but B they can formulate their [00:23:28] own opinions and it maybe they go one it [00:23:30] maybe they go the other it maybe they [00:23:31] sit somewhere in the middle that's that [00:23:33] to me is a really good debate do you owe [00:23:36] back taxes pandemic relief is now over [00:23:38] along with the hiring of thousands of [00:23:40] new agents and field officers the IRS [00:23:43] has kicked off 2024 by sending over 5 [00:23:46] million pay up letters to those who have [00:23:48] unfiled tax returns or balances owed do [00:23:51] not wave your rights and speak with them [00:23:53] on your own they are not your friends [00:23:55] obviously tax Network USA a trusted tax [00:23:57] relief firm has saved over $1 billion in [00:24:00] back taxes for their clients and they [00:24:02] can 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frame it as genocide purely from a [00:24:51] technical point of view that actually [00:24:53] the definition of genocide would mean [00:24:56] that you know if is had killed a million [00:24:59] people I could accept the argument this [00:25:02] is a Bonafide genocide it's more complex [00:25:05] for me as a journalist when I look at [00:25:07] this and compare it to other other [00:25:09] genocides and I compare it to other Wars [00:25:11] that if you take the central argument of [00:25:13] Israel which is put aside everything [00:25:15] that happened before if you take the [00:25:17] October the 7th and the scale of it with [00:25:20] 250 people being kidnapped including [00:25:23] babies and Holocaust Survivors with [00:25:26] 3,000 people coming over the Border [00:25:28] attacking indiscriminately people [00:25:30] killing 1,200 and wounding nearly 7,000 [00:25:33] more if you take the scale of what [00:25:34] happened Hamas knew what Israel was [00:25:37] going to do by way of response Hamas [00:25:39] indisputably have buried themselves into [00:25:41] civilian areas quite deliberately for [00:25:43] self-protective reasons and Israel has [00:25:46] been I don't think they've been anything [00:25:49] but indiscriminate actually in a lot of [00:25:51] their attacks on these areas [00:25:53] particularly on the refugee camps I [00:25:54] think it's completely uncontable some of [00:25:56] the stuff they've done there um and I [00:25:58] think that it's gone on way too long and [00:26:00] it has to stop and I think I always ask [00:26:03] people throughout the debates what is a [00:26:05] proportionate response I didn't have the [00:26:07] answer I didn't know what what is the [00:26:09] correct proportionate response to the [00:26:11] scale of October the 7th and that's [00:26:13] before you factor in the background and [00:26:15] the history and what people see as the [00:26:18] occupation of the Palestinians and the [00:26:20] appalling plight of 2 million [00:26:21] Palestinians in Gaza for so long it [00:26:23] doesn't factor in that it's just am I do [00:26:26] this what is the proportionate respons [00:26:28] that's acceptable I think Israel's gone [00:26:30] Way Beyond what is acceptable however I [00:26:34] understand their argument that they are [00:26:36] responding to as they see it a henus [00:26:38] terror attack and they have vowed to get [00:26:40] rid of the Hass terrorists who did this [00:26:43] and that the only way to do that is to [00:26:45] do it the way they're doing it and I [00:26:47] understand that that is their argument [00:26:49] and I understand that that to me is [00:26:51] different to a country waging a [00:26:54] wholesale genocide of a people so I [00:26:57] think it's complicated and I don't have [00:26:58] all the answers but as we sit here now [00:27:01] this has to stop the leveling of Gaza [00:27:03] has gone completely out of control I [00:27:06] mean a lot of Gaza is unoccupied now I [00:27:09] think the aggressive expansion on the [00:27:10] west Banks has been a form of terrorism [00:27:13] which is completely unacceptable I think [00:27:15] some of the language of some of the [00:27:16] cabinet members has barded on genocidal [00:27:19] and I think that there are clearly some [00:27:21] members of that net Yahoo cabinet who [00:27:23] actually would have no problem if all [00:27:25] the Palestinians left Gaza right now and [00:27:28] so I you know I'm not saying that [00:27:29] there's not a potential for a form of [00:27:32] genocide to be here you know we might [00:27:34] look back at this in two years and you [00:27:36] might say to me well we told you this is [00:27:38] this is genocide what they've done [00:27:40] they've got rid of all the Palestinians [00:27:42] that could happen and I I pray that [00:27:45] doesn't happen and I pray that as I've [00:27:47] always felt the only way through this [00:27:49] ultimately is fresh leadership on all [00:27:51] sides as we saw in Northern Ireland [00:27:54] after many decades of horrific war [00:27:57] between the IR and the Loyalists that [00:28:00] ultimately they got to peace because [00:28:02] leaders like Clinton and Blair and all [00:28:04] these guys came together and they were [00:28:05] just determined to get it and they [00:28:06] managed to get a piece now where people [00:28:08] in Northern Island live in relative [00:28:10] peace and safety and they live amongst [00:28:12] each other people that used to be at war [00:28:13] with each other it would be amazing to [00:28:15] think that could happen uh but I think [00:28:17] we're a long way off that there now so I [00:28:20] that's my honest that's my honest human [00:28:23] I think that was honest view it I have a [00:28:25] good I have a good radar for honesty I [00:28:26] think you're being very honest and I [00:28:28] think it takes a lot tremendous for you [00:28:30] to even say it because it's so strange [00:28:31] to me that we've gotten to a point where [00:28:33] people are too fearful to say that [00:28:34] what's happening has gone too far [00:28:36] because they're scared of losing their [00:28:38] jobs and this really shows and I mean I [00:28:40] call it lud Party media in America they [00:28:43] they have this sort of strangle hold on [00:28:44] the media and they sort of just will [00:28:46] liable you and smear you and pretend [00:28:48] that you're like a Nazi sympathizer [00:28:50] which gets really crazy but what we are [00:28:52] recognizing now and you can sense their [00:28:54] frustration is that media game has [00:28:57] changed nobody cares anymore with the [00:28:59] writing nobody cares who who they're [00:29:01] smearing who they're liing it actually [00:29:03] in many ways when they do these sorts of [00:29:04] attacks and they're not based in reality [00:29:07] it helps the person you know like the [00:29:09] person is um given further belief [00:29:12] further Credence because people go okay [00:29:13] well they took all of these fire and all [00:29:15] these bullets because they said [00:29:16] something that was true and something [00:29:17] that was Humane what do you think where [00:29:20] do you think the trajectory of media in [00:29:22] America is going because I think Legacy [00:29:24] Media is in massive trouble I mean you [00:29:27] know this million payout babyc to Trump [00:29:30] for lying about him is a real turning [00:29:32] point right because Trump's win was so [00:29:34] big and so across the board and such a [00:29:37] repudiation of the Legacy Media he [00:29:39] basically did it by going on YouTube and [00:29:42] podcasters um he just just [00:29:44] circumnavigated the traditional roots of [00:29:46] running a presidential campaign and it [00:29:49] was incredibly effective um but also [00:29:51] it's it's the boy that cried wolf you [00:29:54] know I just remember back to the first [00:29:56] two years of Trump's first ter when it [00:29:57] was just Russ collusion Russia when you [00:29:59] say things often enough and the public [00:30:01] buy into it and then it turns out to be [00:30:03] there was no Russia collusion Trump [00:30:05] didn't work with Russians to fix the [00:30:07] election it was all just lies um and I [00:30:09] think a lot of the media knew it was [00:30:11] Lies when you perpetrate that scale of [00:30:13] lie for so long but with such obvious [00:30:17] zealous enthusiasm to bring him down and [00:30:20] I think that was what struck me was [00:30:21] whatever you think of trump and I've [00:30:23] gone back a long way with Donald Trump [00:30:25] and I can see the good bad and ugly of [00:30:26] him and he's got all fre well I think [00:30:28] he's become a chang man since the [00:30:31] shooting and since the election and we [00:30:32] can maybe come to that but it's very [00:30:34] interesting to watch if someone who's [00:30:35] known him a long time but I think that [00:30:39] the if you read Trump's book The Art of [00:30:41] the deal his whole thing is if you punch [00:30:43] me I'm going to punch you 10 times back [00:30:45] so for the first two three years of his [00:30:47] of his presidency everyone just punched [00:30:48] him from Legacy Media morning noon and [00:30:50] night because he got 10 punches back it [00:30:52] was all great copy for newspapers it was [00:30:54] great it was great juice for the cable [00:30:56] news it was all great sport [00:30:58] but how did it serve the American people [00:31:00] it didn't and in the end Trump says he [00:31:03] won 2020 I don't think he did I think [00:31:05] that Biden won by default because of the [00:31:07] pandemic and the Fallout from that and [00:31:09] it was very close anywhere and it could [00:31:10] go either way but ultimately I think um [00:31:12] Trump lost it but the scale of his win [00:31:15] this time shows that people had a lot of [00:31:17] buyers remorse about Biden a lot of a [00:31:20] lot of probably sellers remorse about [00:31:22] Trump that actually despite all his [00:31:24] rhetorical issues and he let's put that [00:31:27] politely um that despite that he as a [00:31:30] blunt instrument who gets stuff done he [00:31:31] can be very effective and I you know [00:31:33] I've often had arguments with people [00:31:35] about the way he conducts foreign policy [00:31:37] with America the way he goes and talks [00:31:40] to Putin and Kim Jong-un and and G I [00:31:42] like this I think it disarms them [00:31:44] they're not quite sure what to make of [00:31:46] trump I suspect they're far more fearful [00:31:47] of trump as a consequence of their [00:31:49] personal relationships and his known [00:31:52] unpredictability than they are about the [00:31:54] far more conventional well you're all [00:31:55] bad guys we're going to treat you like [00:31:57] bad guys and that's it so I think that [00:31:59] Trump has them oddly wrapped around his [00:32:02] rather cunning finger and I think it [00:32:04] could be quite effective in the way he [00:32:05] conducts his foreign policy um but I [00:32:07] also think that when it comes to things [00:32:09] like his Natural Instinct for the wall [00:32:13] immigration cost of living all the basic [00:32:16] stuff the woke stuff you know him saying [00:32:18] I just ban all trans a women's SP great [00:32:21] great and I think a lot of Americans [00:32:22] were yes yes it shouldn't even be [00:32:25] ambiguous and obviously if we're doing [00:32:27] 10 million illegal immigrants across the [00:32:28] border in four years that can't be good [00:32:30] for America how can that be we need good [00:32:32] immigration of course we do we can't [00:32:34] sustain this and we' got the same [00:32:36] problem in this country you raise it we [00:32:38] nearly a million people came in last [00:32:40] year in this country net migration [00:32:42] completely unsustainable for a little [00:32:43] island of 67 million people uh and yet [00:32:45] if you raise concerns about it you're a [00:32:47] racist and that's why people like Nigel [00:32:49] farage are getting more and more popular [00:32:51] because people have begun to think well [00:32:52] they're not racist are they I mean I [00:32:55] don't think he is um I think he's [00:32:57] someone who's banged this drum about the [00:32:59] danger of uncontrolled migration for a [00:33:01] long time and a lot of leaders around [00:33:03] the world now realizing that people like [00:33:05] him and Trump were right to bang that [00:33:07] drum um and it doesn't make you racist [00:33:09] to be concerned about it so I think all [00:33:11] these things are kind of flying around [00:33:14] and in the middle of it I've been [00:33:16] sitting there going who am I now right [00:33:20] what does this make me right what what [00:33:23] politically where do I sit in all this [00:33:26] and it's it's an interesting question of [00:33:28] self analysis I don't really know the [00:33:30] the clear answer other than it's easier [00:33:32] for me to go back to being a journalist [00:33:35] and not to really try and work out where [00:33:37] I sit because the pendulum has been [00:33:40] wildly moving around people that used to [00:33:42] be considered on the left Bill Mah are [00:33:45] they now is Bill Mah leftwing he might [00:33:48] still want to be called that I love bill [00:33:50] but actually I would say he's certainly [00:33:52] Centrist at best arguably on a lot of [00:33:55] the stuff now you could almost argue on [00:33:56] the pendulum he might be slightly center [00:33:58] right um that's how far the woke left [00:34:01] have taken things they've driven people [00:34:03] like me and Bill who were conventional [00:34:05] liberals to think well we have nothing [00:34:07] in common with you people all right guys [00:34:09] if you're feeling stressed about giving [00:34:10] your family a memorable holiday You Are [00:34:12] Not Alone prices remain 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[00:35:37] attention seeking guaranteed to enrage [00:35:40] Catholics like me you it's like why [00:35:42] would you do that it's so pathetic so [00:35:44] purile so attention seeking and that's [00:35:46] been her whole raise on debt she used to [00:35:48] be great pop star back in in her 20s but [00:35:50] now she's just a total embarrassment but [00:35:52] I don't really think she's like I don't [00:35:54] call her by the definition of what [00:35:56] you're after is that a dangerous bad [00:35:57] person no it's just a it's an attention [00:35:59] seeking increasing irrelevance you know [00:36:02] bad bad people are people Bad actors in [00:36:04] the world are people who genuinely have [00:36:06] a malevolent worldview that they have [00:36:09] the ability to execute you know when you [00:36:11] think back to what Isis were doing for [00:36:13] example for the first 20 years of this [00:36:16] Century that's inherently evil what they [00:36:19] were doing and you can call out the [00:36:21] leaders of Isis and say you are [00:36:24] inhuman subhuman evil people [00:36:28] who are trying to get this caliphate [00:36:30] which just has no tolerance of anything [00:36:32] I mean the Western like the people that [00:36:34] have power in the west come to that [00:36:36] obviously we have so you have the [00:36:37] obvious Bad actors on the world stage in [00:36:40] terms of people um who are running [00:36:42] countries of my biggest problem is not [00:36:44] that they're bad is that they're [00:36:45] incompetent which can be as bad want to [00:36:48] hear Elon mus talk about this a lot he's [00:36:50] so brilliantly competent he operates at [00:36:52] such a high level of competence that he [00:36:54] finds incompetent people incredibly [00:36:56] irritating and I know EX what he means I [00:36:58] think if you look around leadership [00:37:00] around the world there a lot of [00:37:01] incompetent people I don't necessarily [00:37:03] think they're bad I mean Angela Merkel [00:37:05] is a good example right I wouldn't say [00:37:07] she was a bad person she's not [00:37:08] unintelligent she just turned out to be [00:37:10] incredibly incompetent and cus a lot of [00:37:12] Mayhem for her country despite being [00:37:14] lorded in real time um desender Aron [00:37:17] remember the prime minister of New [00:37:18] Zealand was lorded as the covid heroin [00:37:21] um because of all her extreme lockdown [00:37:23] views and so on and so on but history [00:37:25] has not been kind to her either so I [00:37:27] think a lot of people it comes down to [00:37:28] basic competence one of the problems of [00:37:29] Boris Johnson here in this country was [00:37:31] he's just a general shambolic character [00:37:34] the the level of competence seemed very [00:37:36] low Trump first time around seemed [00:37:38] chaotic and therefore stroke potentially [00:37:41] a problem for competence this time he's [00:37:43] surrounding himself with incredibly High [00:37:45] performing competent people like Elon [00:37:48] that's what makes it really interesting [00:37:49] to me and that's why I think his next [00:37:51] term could be genuinely transformative [00:37:54] and people might say Trump's a bad guy I [00:37:56] don't think he is a bad guy I think he's [00:37:58] somebody who had the wrong people around [00:38:00] him first time around and was being [00:38:02] beaten up so mercilessly by the media [00:38:04] that he's only respons to go after them [00:38:06] with equal Venom this time I see he's [00:38:08] calmer he's better organized he's chosen [00:38:11] his cabinet in record time he's chosen [00:38:13] people who are disruptive but they're [00:38:15] smart and they're just going to operate [00:38:17] on a different way to establishment [00:38:19] people would do but he's got Elon Musk [00:38:21] sitting there helping him all the way [00:38:22] with all this stuff it's a lethal [00:38:24] combination Trump's instincts and elon's [00:38:27] ability and instincts to operate at a [00:38:29] very elite level so do you think I'm [00:38:32] just going to push back on the Elon Musk [00:38:33] thing and I'm not even pushing back I [00:38:35] just find myself puzzled about it I [00:38:38] wonder if we're attributing too much [00:38:40] superheroism to Elon Musk because he did [00:38:43] this amazing thing having fre fre the [00:38:45] bird I think he actually might be a [00:38:47] superhero cuz see I think V ramaswami is [00:38:49] a superhero well I like him too yeah but [00:38:51] Elon Musk I'm just I sort of but look at [00:38:53] his achievements what do I know about [00:38:55] Elon Musk really let me help you let me [00:38:57] help you answer that question what you [00:38:59] know is almost every business he starts [00:39:01] everyone condemns it to immediate [00:39:02] failure everyone thinks it's destined to [00:39:04] fail it cannot be achieved it's always [00:39:07] done on a massive grandio scale with a [00:39:09] massive grandio plan and he's delivered [00:39:12] I mean look at SpaceX SpaceX is probably [00:39:14] the most coveted company in the world [00:39:16] right now by every other successful [00:39:18] business person if you ask them they all [00:39:19] think SpaceX is the company in the world [00:39:22] and he built that and people said it's [00:39:23] never going to work this is going to you [00:39:26] throw good money off to bad it's never [00:39:28] going to work look at what SpaceX does [00:39:29] around the world now look at the [00:39:31] satellite systems never mind anything [00:39:32] else are just on a different level to [00:39:34] anything we've seen you know he's even I [00:39:36] saw the other day planning to help with [00:39:38] the countryside issue in the UK if you [00:39:40] live in the countryside you don't get a [00:39:41] phone signal he said I'll saw that for [00:39:43] you right he just thinks I'll fix [00:39:44] Britain and his phone signal that's how [00:39:46] he thinks I sat with him in France this [00:39:48] summer for a couple of hours and he was [00:39:50] talking about neuralink and what that [00:39:52] does and SpaceX and what it does and [00:39:54] Tesla and what the again Tesla was [00:39:57] rubbish to start with everyone said this [00:39:59] is never going to work now it's the most [00:40:00] successful green energy car company in [00:40:02] the world and obviously cars will go [00:40:05] that way he's just ahead of everybody [00:40:07] and he understands you can't do it all [00:40:08] at once and all these other things but [00:40:10] again an amazingly transformative huge [00:40:13] big picture business that he's built [00:40:16] then you look at X and what he's done [00:40:17] there where most amazing stat the other [00:40:19] day has gone from [00:40:20] 67% Democrat 32% Republican on X to know [00:40:25] pretty well 5050 that's Elon Musk he's [00:40:27] he's he's redressed the balance he's [00:40:29] made it easier for conservatives not to [00:40:32] be deplatformed and removed just because [00:40:34] of their political allegiance um again [00:40:36] so he's he's he's he's democratized if [00:40:38] you like this very undemocratic but [00:40:41] massively popular powerful social media [00:40:43] tool so I look at all the things he's [00:40:45] been doing and I think actually what's [00:40:48] the common thread here all of it is a [00:40:50] Force for good all of it ultimately is [00:40:52] designed to save us from ourselves it is [00:40:55] colonizing Mars human robots all these [00:40:58] other things he's doing but look at the [00:40:59] thing the space rocket when it landed in [00:41:01] the Cradle right just the sheer [00:41:03] mindblowing scale of ambition that musk [00:41:06] has and he he believes will get to Mars [00:41:08] in his lifetime and will start [00:41:10] colonizing and he thinks it's really [00:41:11] important so my point is if you look at [00:41:13] it what what is a superhero a superhero [00:41:16] is somebody who thinks on a massively [00:41:18] big scale for the good of the people and [00:41:20] often saves the people from themselves [00:41:22] by that criteria I'm not saying he's a [00:41:24] perfect human being he can be difficult [00:41:26] and all the rest of it of course he can [00:41:27] and he wouldn't say he's pervert himself [00:41:29] but by a superhero criteria right now in [00:41:32] the world who is having a bigger [00:41:35] transformative superhero world right now [00:41:38] than Elon Musk who give me a name who's [00:41:41] doing more good for the world than well [00:41:42] no there's no question that's why I want [00:41:44] to separate because I totally agree that [00:41:47] he is tremendously successful and is [00:41:49] contributing things to the world that [00:41:50] are amazing you could never take that [00:41:51] away from him and what he did for uh [00:41:53] Twitter X whatever freed the bird I I [00:41:55] honestly think he saved like Western [00:41:57] Civilization we were so close like it [00:41:59] was really a dark period postco what I'm [00:42:02] saying is to immediately translate that [00:42:05] into would you want this person to be in [00:42:08] government well Elon musk's views [00:42:10] despite all of these amazing [00:42:12] accomplishments in the past actually he [00:42:14] was left leaning yeah right so despite [00:42:16] all this Brilliance actually he kind of [00:42:17] was going along with the thing until the [00:42:20] thing kind of ate one of his kids and [00:42:21] then he was like wait what's going on [00:42:23] okay but so was Trump to a degree you [00:42:25] know so was Trump no Trump was always a [00:42:26] businessman [00:42:28] he was always about his money he was [00:42:29] never a lefty woke okay but Trump did [00:42:31] sign up for Save the assault weapons man [00:42:33] he agreed with that what I'm saying like [00:42:35] he was you know you look at these Joe [00:42:37] Rogan you look at all these people [00:42:39] there's a lot of people RFK Tulsi Gaba a [00:42:42] lot of people that you might have said [00:42:43] well sort of Leaning Democrats really [00:42:45] who but that's fine what I'm just saying [00:42:47] is that actually I would like to flush [00:42:49] out what his ideas are more because I [00:42:51] and I and I say this by the way I'm [00:42:53] saying this from like a religious [00:42:55] perspective because I actually am not [00:42:57] keen on the humanist agenda I'm not keen [00:42:59] on neuralink I'm not keen on all that [00:43:01] stuff yeah I par people can communicate [00:43:04] which is what it's about I just think [00:43:06] it's a it's a step too far yeah I'm not [00:43:08] I'm not keen on that yeah see I like it [00:43:11] it's it's sort of the bigger equation [00:43:13] when we start talking about IVF and a [00:43:15] big debate that's waging here by the way [00:43:17] I think you guys just approved it right [00:43:18] the death pods I just have understand [00:43:21] I'd like to hear more about that so it's [00:43:23] not really a judgment against him it's [00:43:25] just more like okay now that you're in [00:43:26] government AC I really would like to [00:43:28] pier and understand more about what you [00:43:29] believe and crucially because he's not [00:43:31] in government right so he's slightly [00:43:33] detached what I do think is if I would [00:43:35] put money on anyone to slash unnecessary [00:43:38] bureaucracy and spending in the federal [00:43:40] government it would beon musk I wish he [00:43:42] come here and do it here I'm very [00:43:44] pleased about him in I mean I have one [00:43:45] question if we put Elon Musk in charge [00:43:47] of the National Health Service here what [00:43:48] would happen I can absolutely guarantee [00:43:50] he turn it around the guy is a genius so [00:43:53] I think he is a superhero it doesn't [00:43:56] come with no cave yet but I don't think [00:43:58] I've ever seen anyone well it's very [00:44:00] interesting with with musk is what I [00:44:01] think you very rarely see that level of [00:44:04] elite brainpower that mixes with a love [00:44:07] of being a celebrity which he clearly [00:44:09] does and [00:44:10] Limelight with the super chilling [00:44:12] self-confidence to back himself That's [00:44:14] What I Love About Him He will bet the [00:44:16] ranch on his own gut instincts to a [00:44:19] degree trumps a bit like that and [00:44:20] they'll just Barrel through all the [00:44:22] naysayers you go you can't do that cuz [00:44:24] it's never worked before they're like [00:44:26] yeah we can and they do it I like people [00:44:29] like that they're not always going to be [00:44:31] right but it's a bit like the old Wayne [00:44:33] Gretzky the ice hockey players great [00:44:35] quote you'll miss a 100% of the shots [00:44:37] you never take these guys take shot [00:44:39] after shot after shot in Trump's case [00:44:41] literally took a shot for democracy as [00:44:43] he put it um and I think musk is just an [00:44:47] utterly fascinating character and when I [00:44:50] had a bit of time with him just with a [00:44:52] little group of of three of us um for an [00:44:54] hour he was just really interesting guy [00:44:56] you know but you could see he was [00:44:57] looking at you and sometimes you think [00:44:59] he's gone a bit vacant he's and you're [00:45:00] talking about whatever it is and he's [00:45:02] thinking about colonizing Mars literally [00:45:04] his brain is moved to colonizing Mars [00:45:06] and he's probably just sort of something [00:45:08] he said an interesting thing he said [00:45:09] like you have to remember everything he [00:45:10] said if you replicate Earth if you [00:45:12] forget one vitamin everyone dies out [00:45:14] there so you can't forget anything right [00:45:16] it's like really interesting but you [00:45:18] know ultimately he says you've got to [00:45:20] have somewhere else to go otherwise one [00:45:23] day this won't exist then what do you do [00:45:25] it's over so he's trying to save us from [00:45:28] ourselves I like that all right so most [00:45:30] of the time when a company says free [00:45:32] they really mean see the fine print [00:45:34] there is no shortage of ads from the big [00:45:36] Wireless carriers offering the latest [00:45:38] iPhone for free but if you look deeper [00:45:40] you realize that to qualify you have to [00:45:42] trade in your phone which is valued at [00:45:44] thousands of dollars you'll also need to [00:45:45] be on the $100 a month unlimited plan [00:45:48] and pay $35 activation fees yeah that's [00:45:51] a lot of money for a quote unquote free [00:45:54] phone so do not fall for it but pure [00:45:56] talk myself company has a better option [00:45:58] you'll get a brand new iPhone 14 which [00:46:00] has all the bells and whistles that you [00:46:02] need plus you'll get unlimited talk text [00:46:04] 15 gigs of data and a mobile hotspot all [00:46:06] for just 50 bucks a month that is half [00:46:08] the price of the big guys and you get a [00:46:10] new iPhone that's powered by America's [00:46:12] most Dependable 5G Network so go to Pur [00:46:15] talk.com ens today switching is very [00:46:17] easy plus when you go to Pur talk.com [00:46:20] ens you'll get an additional 50% off [00:46:22] your first month again that's pure [00:46:25] talk.com ens Pure Talk America's [00:46:28] Wireless company yeah I think I don't [00:46:29] know I think spiritually maybe I just [00:46:31] have some questions there which gets me [00:46:32] into your beliefs you're a Catholic I am [00:46:35] I just found this out today I'm a [00:46:36] Catholic I was I was actually given [00:46:38] spiritual guidance by Catholic nuns when [00:46:40] I was 11 and 12 that's incredible for [00:46:42] two years now is Faith still a part of [00:46:43] your life or would you say a bit of a [00:46:44] departure do you go to mass I go to mass [00:46:47] but not a lot I go to go to weekly Mass [00:46:49] but I do go to mass and my mother's [00:46:52] still a very staunch Catholic raised us [00:46:54] all as Catholics I believe in God I I [00:46:57] believe in in Catholicism what it stands [00:46:59] for um yeah I mean I I we all do on my [00:47:02] in my family a big Catholic Family and [00:47:05] yeah I I take a lot of comfort from it [00:47:07] actually and I have a lot of debates of [00:47:08] people like Richard Dawkins and these [00:47:10] guys and I'm like you know ultimately it [00:47:12] comes down to this for me the atheist [00:47:14] can never explain to me what happened [00:47:16] before nothing and because the human [00:47:18] brain cannot answer that question [00:47:21] because how can you there has to be an [00:47:23] acceptance there is a higher being there [00:47:25] has to be otherwise you'd be able to [00:47:27] answer that question and they look at me [00:47:29] completely like enraged but I'm like no [00:47:31] you can't answer it because you could [00:47:33] you you'd have to be a superior being to [00:47:36] a human being to be able to comprehend [00:47:39] that kind of question so because we [00:47:41] can't comprehend it there has to be [00:47:42] something bigger around absolutely and I [00:47:43] just think just on on they love logic [00:47:46] and I'm like well okay but religion [00:47:48] actually carries with it a lot of other [00:47:49] things other than just pure logic but [00:47:51] just on the logic alone that's why I'm [00:47:54] right and you're wrong I think he driv [00:47:57] of nuts I make the exact same argument [00:47:58] I'm like God is like the most logical [00:48:00] thing in the world cuz you can't explain [00:48:01] to me this so obviously there has to be [00:48:03] someone yeah and then I think it comes [00:48:04] down to other things which is what do [00:48:05] you want out of religion out of God you [00:48:07] know I find it comforting to pray right [00:48:09] I've done I don't do it all the time I [00:48:11] don't pray every night but there are [00:48:13] times difficult times in your life when [00:48:15] you just want to say a prayer and I've [00:48:16] had prayers answered and I've seen it [00:48:19] happen might be complete Coincidence of [00:48:21] course it might be but the power of [00:48:23] having a faith that somebody out there [00:48:25] has that ability to help help you is [00:48:27] pretty strong and I think that people [00:48:29] that have that really feel it and if [00:48:32] other people don't feel it and don't [00:48:34] like it and don't want it okay but why [00:48:36] do you obsess as they all seem to do [00:48:39] about what we believe have your own [00:48:41] non-belief and believe in that you're [00:48:42] fine but shut up about it why does it [00:48:45] bother you nothing to do with you [00:48:47] whether I believe in God or not right if [00:48:49] you don't fine if you think at the end [00:48:50] of your life that's it your worm food [00:48:53] and nothing happens fine I will die a [00:48:55] lot happier than you cuz I think there's [00:48:57] a lot of good stuff waiting for me up [00:48:58] there and that makes me feel good you [00:49:01] must as you get nearer and nearer death [00:49:02] feel absolutely bloody terrible because [00:49:05] you're thinking that's it forever and [00:49:08] you can't even say what forever is [00:49:10] because you haven't got any faith I [00:49:12] don't think anybody dies in atheist I [00:49:13] think in those final moments they're [00:49:14] like okay you know what I bet there's a [00:49:15] little conversion at the last minute [00:49:17] exctly just in case I'm wrong okay so I [00:49:19] want to ask you this question uh you [00:49:21] like me have tons of kids lot obviously [00:49:23] which means that we have an investment [00:49:24] in what's going on a real investment [00:49:26] what's going on I think it's important [00:49:27] to have children because of this by the [00:49:28] way because then the political [00:49:30] discussions are more weighted and you're [00:49:32] saying things that are going to impact [00:49:34] your children's future um what would you [00:49:37] say like and by the way I want to say [00:49:38] you're also a rare person that you've [00:49:40] been able to metamorphosize which is [00:49:42] very rare The Changing Times changing [00:49:45] social economy now we're online now [00:49:47] you're on YouTube what would you say is [00:49:50] your biggest concern um biggest fear [00:49:54] like explicitly what is your biggest [00:49:55] fear about the direction of the world [00:49:57] right now when you think of that just as [00:49:58] a parent I mean it's interesting what [00:50:00] you said about my my own Evolution a lot [00:50:02] of us driven by my kids so when you have [00:50:04] kids you see how they operate you see [00:50:06] how they read what they consume what [00:50:08] they watch I switch to YouTube because I [00:50:11] could see none of them watch TV and none [00:50:12] of them buy newspapers so I thought whoa [00:50:15] hang on and they're all light in their [00:50:16] 30 in their 20s and none of them are [00:50:19] doing the stuff that I did what are they [00:50:20] doing oh they were watching this thing [00:50:21] called YouTube okay I about become a [00:50:23] YouTuber literally as simple as that [00:50:25] they were like Dad no none of our [00:50:26] friends watch this TV stuff right it's [00:50:29] all through YouTube you realize that get [00:50:31] on to YouTube dad and now they all watch [00:50:32] it um so they've kept you in it they've [00:50:35] kept you in the game oh I think kids not [00:50:36] only keep you fresh and alive and having [00:50:40] a purpose but they also they also make [00:50:42] you less narcissistic a streak I've [00:50:45] certainly had over the years um because [00:50:47] ultimately it's about them not you and [00:50:50] when you become a parent you understand [00:50:51] that and you become much more concerned [00:50:54] about their welfare and what's happening [00:50:55] to them than you do for yourself it's a [00:50:57] good thing for people to become parents [00:50:59] for that reason if nothing else it's the [00:51:01] ego's solution I can tell you um but [00:51:04] secondly in terms of what I care about [00:51:06] for them I think it's you know it's a [00:51:08] lot of things I think that I always try [00:51:10] and remind them because all of their [00:51:11] friends have anxiety issues and things [00:51:14] it's interesting it's a generational [00:51:15] thing they're getting bombarded I that [00:51:17] Jonathan hate book about from 2010 how [00:51:20] smartphones the moment they became smart [00:51:22] started bombarding kids with all this [00:51:24] negative dopamine stuff all the time I [00:51:26] think it's a real problem and I think [00:51:27] that young brains get scrambled by the [00:51:29] constant negativity I think about when I [00:51:31] was young there were Wars going on but [00:51:33] you never saw any of the graphic stuff [00:51:35] you had no way of seeing it it wouldn't [00:51:37] be shown on the relatively sanitized [00:51:39] news broadcast there was no internet [00:51:41] there were no phones nothing else you [00:51:43] couldn't the newspapers wouldn't run the [00:51:45] really gory stuff now if you go on X in [00:51:47] the middle of and TA in Ukraine or Gaza [00:51:50] or whatever the most horrific stuff [00:51:52] comes up all day long if you're a young [00:51:54] 17 18 year old exposed to that must have [00:51:57] a very corrosive effect on you and it [00:51:58] must make you start to catastrophize [00:52:00] because you think this is what [00:52:01] everything in the world is is is like [00:52:04] now the reality is the opposite [00:52:07] interestingly in recorded history this [00:52:10] is by far the best time to ever be alive [00:52:12] there are fewer Wars at the moment [00:52:13] raging than in recorded history in the [00:52:17] time period um there's less child [00:52:19] poverty water is cleaner and killing [00:52:21] less people there are less like insects [00:52:23] killing millions of people a lot of the [00:52:25] insect they killed people have been [00:52:27] eradicated the the death counts on those [00:52:30] little things which could have huge [00:52:31] effects in in continents like Africa um [00:52:35] people are living longer they're living [00:52:37] healthier they are better educated and [00:52:40] so on and you go through every metric of [00:52:42] life and actually I could present a [00:52:45] compelling argument to these kids why [00:52:47] are you so anxious compared to every [00:52:49] generation that's gone before you you've [00:52:51] never had it so good and yet saying that [00:52:54] is self-defeating because they do feel [00:52:56] bad and they do feel anxious and a lot [00:52:58] of it is around phones I've got no doubt [00:53:00] and we have to as a responsible [00:53:02] Generation Now of people we have to [00:53:05] understand that empathize with them and [00:53:07] help them get out of it and also I think [00:53:10] we have to attack head on the other [00:53:12] aspects of the woke mind virus which is [00:53:14] so destructive the participation prize [00:53:17] culture where little Johnny comes last [00:53:20] in a race at school and gets given a [00:53:21] prize how does that prepare Little [00:53:23] Johnny for the real world because if you [00:53:25] come last at work let me tell you you [00:53:26] get fired if you do it often enough you [00:53:28] don't get a prize your prize is you get [00:53:31] given a cab home if you're lucky and [00:53:33] that's it um celebrating failure over [00:53:37] success being ashamed of being [00:53:39] successful and beating your chest cuz [00:53:41] somehow that's something to be frowned [00:53:43] upon whereas if you lose somehow you're [00:53:45] sort of vain gloriously heroic well when [00:53:47] did that start you know people say I [00:53:49] just passed my driving test at the [00:53:50] eighth attempt I'm so proud of myself [00:53:53] really why aren't you ashamed of [00:53:54] yourself I keep that ploty quiet if I [00:53:57] were you what are you boasting about [00:53:59] eight times to how dumb are you and by [00:54:02] the way why are you driving I don't want [00:54:04] you out on the road right and yet [00:54:06] they're proud of themselves and they [00:54:07] share it and I see all the comments so [00:54:09] proud of your babes fantastic babes I'm [00:54:12] not saying it's just necessarily a woman [00:54:13] it could be anybody um but it's just [00:54:15] like this constant celebration of [00:54:17] failure or weakness mediocrity [00:54:19] mediocrity and also this thing about you [00:54:22] know you mustn't push people to try and [00:54:24] achieve their best because it's bad for [00:54:25] their mental health no what's bad for [00:54:27] their mental health is not being able to [00:54:28] deal with the real world so push people [00:54:30] to be physically and mentally strong as [00:54:33] they can to deal with the reality my [00:54:35] favorite speech in movies is Rocky bboa [00:54:37] to his son the the spoiled brat son in [00:54:40] the sixth movie when he finally has it [00:54:42] out with him in the street and he says [00:54:43] life is not about how hard you can hit [00:54:45] life's about how hard you can get hit [00:54:47] get back up and keep moving forward [00:54:49] that's how winning is done we've lost [00:54:51] that as a society now it's like you [00:54:54] throw yourself on the ground almost [00:54:56] punch yourself in the face lie there [00:54:58] wallowing in your own misery and [00:55:01] everyone fawns all over you and [00:55:03] celebrates your weakness how does that [00:55:05] help any part of that equation it [00:55:07] doesn't so we've begun become a society [00:55:10] it's changing I think that the Trump win [00:55:13] again is a big moment in the sand for [00:55:14] this to say no actually and particularly [00:55:17] for young men you can be proud of being [00:55:19] a young man you don't have to hate [00:55:21] yourself just because every corporate [00:55:23] woke marketing campaign told you that [00:55:26] you're all hateful losers until you can [00:55:28] prove you're not all a bunch of Harvey [00:55:29] Weinstein running around right now men [00:55:32] have being told it's okay to be a guy [00:55:34] and you can be proud and by the way and [00:55:35] if you are here are the things that you [00:55:36] should do to be to be a good man in life [00:55:39] but you can beat your chest a bit you [00:55:40] can celebrate achievement you can want [00:55:42] to win you can celebrate winning and you [00:55:44] can hate losing actually it's fine to [00:55:47] hate losing nothing good about losing he [00:55:49] wants to lose let celebrate it so I do [00:55:52] think there's all these things where I [00:55:55] feel there's a correction going I feel [00:55:56] like the woke worm has turned quite [00:55:59] rapidly since Trump's win in a way it [00:56:01] became the Catalyst because everything [00:56:03] Cara Harris stood for was all this crap [00:56:05] everything Biden stood for was all this [00:56:07] crap and that ad he did you know carel [00:56:10] is for they them trumps for you [00:56:12] devastating devastating because in one [00:56:15] simple ad it told the story what does [00:56:18] they then mean there's only one person [00:56:19] sitting there how can one person be they [00:56:22] them Sam Smith can't remember if he's [00:56:25] Sam him her or they them must be [00:56:28] incredibly confusing when he gets up in [00:56:30] the morning but why do we have to Pand [00:56:32] to this right so no I'm I [00:56:35] thought I was liberal right but all this [00:56:38] stuff just sounds completely insane to [00:56:40] me I think we're all just rational [00:56:42] because I find myself too I'm like I [00:56:44] don't know if I'm conservative because [00:56:45] then I see conservatives doing the woke [00:56:47] stuff on anti-Semitism I'm like you know [00:56:49] what and then I find people on the left [00:56:50] are now following me and I go I think [00:56:52] what's happening is actually like nature [00:56:53] is correcting and rather than us seeing [00:56:55] ourselves as you're on the left you're [00:56:56] on the right it's like are you sane are [00:56:58] you like a sane person in the middle yes [00:57:01] I say I said look take take you you got [00:57:03] you have like me have a divisive [00:57:05] reputation but I say if you ever [00:57:06] actually watch Candice right I mean I [00:57:08] would say to people when I tweet this [00:57:10] just watch this do you get the feeling [00:57:11] you're in front of a screaming [00:57:13] lunatic right or not and of course that [00:57:16] you're not right so I'm not saying [00:57:19] you're perfect and you wouldn't say I am [00:57:21] um but I don't see the characterization [00:57:23] of you that I read about you you have [00:57:25] your moment inside mine I had a [00:57:26] hilarious conversation with Trump the [00:57:28] other day when he said you know P you're [00:57:29] a good guy said you have your bad [00:57:31] moments and I went well don't we all Mr [00:57:34] President and we were laughing um and he [00:57:36] accepted he said true true true but it's [00:57:38] um Everybody obviously has that um but [00:57:41] it's we live in a weird place now where [00:57:44] your your bad moments get massively [00:57:46] Amplified and all the other stuff which [00:57:48] would counter that in a normal [00:57:49] conversation but you're down to Pub with [00:57:51] someone and you say something stupid but [00:57:53] then you say a lot of good stuff and oh [00:57:55] actually it's a good blow right you [00:57:56] don't see any of that all you see is the [00:57:58] tribe seiz on the moment and flam it out [00:58:02] and say this is that person look how [00:58:04] awful they are and it gets Amplified [00:58:06] around the world before anyone can stop [00:58:08] it and before you know it you're the [00:58:10] most reviled human being on Earth you're [00:58:12] like how did that happen only for a [00:58:14] minute cancel culture is officially over [00:58:16] I think I OB it's been canceled which is [00:58:18] amazing which leads me to this last [00:58:20] question for you peers what is next for [00:58:22] you I think you're quite amazing you [00:58:24] found this really sweet spot people [00:58:26] people look to you now they respect you [00:58:28] for hosting the debate you know and that [00:58:31] puts you you're you're in a unique [00:58:32] position right now so what's next I feel [00:58:34] excited about the potential for [00:58:36] uncensored actually I think I hit on a [00:58:38] very good title for my show I want to [00:58:40] expand it I've looked at other places in [00:58:42] the digital space where they're getting [00:58:44] bigger and bigger obviously you're one [00:58:45] of them um you got to find your own [00:58:47] thing what is your own thing my thing is [00:58:49] I'm not an idealogue coming at it left [00:58:51] or right and just pumping my view about [00:58:53] stuff and people coming on and talking [00:58:55] to me about that my view is I I am the [00:58:57] ring Master now to I think really [00:58:58] important debates about all the most [00:59:00] important stuff in the world I also love [00:59:02] doing the one-on ones with everyone from [00:59:05] whether it's Kanye to Trump to zinsky I [00:59:09] don't mind who it is I like sitting down [00:59:10] with people doing the longer form one-on [00:59:12] ones too and that combination all [00:59:14] playing to what I think at my core is [00:59:16] what I am and what I'm now very proud to [00:59:18] celebrate more which is being a [00:59:20] journalist being a journalist who [00:59:22] challenges everybody not worrying about [00:59:24] being boxed into left or right or kind [00:59:26] of position but actually just holding [00:59:28] everybody to account and trying to get [00:59:30] that most precious of things to come out [00:59:33] which is the truth not my truth or their [00:59:36] truth or mega markle's version of a [00:59:38] truth but the truth and once you have [00:59:41] the truth everyone can have an opinion [00:59:44] when you muck around with the truth and [00:59:47] you lie about facts which are [00:59:50] incontrovertible that act doesn't fly so [00:59:53] I see myself now as the Great [00:59:54] truthfinder [00:59:56] in the world on the YouTube and the [00:59:58] internet which is no bad thing I love it [01:00:00] well you guys there we have it Pi's [01:00:02] Morgan we got some opinions actually [01:00:04] solid I actually totally loved [01:00:06] everything that he said here so that is [01:00:08] the we real Piers Morgan uncensored [01:00:10] thanks for joining us [01:00:12] [Music]