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[00:00:00] Why? Why do we care if there's no [00:00:02] father? Like I like I grew up without a [00:00:04] father. I feel like I'm doing fine. I'm [00:00:06] doing great. I'm in college. Like why [00:00:09] why are we so towards the father? Why [00:00:11] why does he need to be there so much? [00:00:13] >> It's an So just looking at try to answer [00:00:16] my question for me. Do you think what [00:00:18] kind of kind of is is there any time and [00:00:20] you're you're being very vulnerable and [00:00:21] I appreciate that when you were growing [00:00:24] up and maybe not where you said I wish I [00:00:25] had a dad around? My mom says I did wish [00:00:28] for that once at a wishing well. But [00:00:31] like I like I My mom was great. I she [00:00:34] her mom's a hero for sure. No, no, I'm [00:00:36] not not there not not a knock on single [00:00:37] moms. But was there ever a time maybe [00:00:40] where a more masculine figure would have [00:00:43] been helpful? [00:00:44] >> I can't really not off the top of my [00:00:46] head like what can you give me an [00:00:47] example of when a masculine figure would [00:00:49] be helpful in my life? a boyfriend might [00:00:50] have broke up with you and you didn't [00:00:52] want to talk to your mom because she [00:00:54] just didn't get it and you wanted a [00:00:55] strong stable man to say you're [00:00:58] beautiful. [00:00:59] >> Um I think I mean I I have if a if my [00:01:04] father was like you're beautiful [00:01:07] I I that'd be cool but like if my mom [00:01:10] was also like you're beautiful I don't [00:01:12] really see a difference between like my [00:01:13] mom saying it and my father saying it. [00:01:14] >> Wow. Okay. Yeah. That's I I I don't see [00:01:17] the world that way. Um because there's a [00:01:19] ve being a father to a daughter there's [00:01:21] a very unique bond between a father and [00:01:23] a daughter where it's you kind of you [00:01:26] fall in love again but not romantic love [00:01:29] you fall in a different type of Greek [00:01:30] love which is called stoay which is a [00:01:33] fatherdaughter love where you have such [00:01:35] affection for this incredible being and [00:01:38] your your task is to shepherd that [00:01:41] vulnerable innocent girl through life [00:01:43] all the way up until the marriage aisle [00:01:46] to kind of connect the two topics [00:01:48] together, right? Where then you hand it [00:01:50] off to another man because women are [00:01:52] worthy of protection. [00:01:54] >> So, you're saying like there has to be a [00:01:56] man in the woman's life, the woman can't [00:01:58] be like alone. [00:02:00] >> No, there are exceptions, but it is a [00:02:02] beautiful ideal. And when when that [00:02:04] ideal falls apart, now let's talk about [00:02:06] the technical side. In the black [00:02:08] community, when fathers are no longer [00:02:10] around, crime goes up, poverty goes up, [00:02:11] because you'll you'll understand this [00:02:13] less. And a man in the audience who grew [00:02:15] up without a father will totally get [00:02:17] this. If it's just a mom in the house, [00:02:19] the dad is should come in and discipline [00:02:22] the 14-year-old for acting like a brat. [00:02:24] The dad comes in and he says, "Stop [00:02:26] doing this." You need to be able to [00:02:29] outrank the 14-year-old brat with [00:02:32] another masculine figure. [00:02:33] >> But don't you think that like there [00:02:35] there's a reason that a lot of the black [00:02:37] community isn't doesn't have a father, [00:02:40] and it's because of systemic racism? [00:02:41] It's because like black men are more [00:02:44] likely to be in prison. [00:02:45] >> Oh yeah. So why do people go to prison [00:02:48] >> for like a lot of the time it's because [00:02:50] they're in poverty and they have no [00:02:52] other way to get [00:02:53] >> Okay. So they commit crimes [00:02:54] >> because there is they [00:02:56] >> Yeah. But so likeovery wait so wait [00:02:58] >> they be why do they why do they crime in [00:03:02] poverty? We should give excuses for [00:03:03] committing crimes. [00:03:04] >> Yes. Because if they have no [00:03:05] >> murder [00:03:06] >> not I did not say murder. I said like [00:03:08] >> I said I'm saying like if someone is [00:03:10] stealing something because they have no [00:03:12] money and there's no job. [00:03:13] >> That's so interesting. So you think most [00:03:15] crimes are crimes of necessity in the [00:03:16] black community. [00:03:18] >> Um I wouldn't I'm not saying most [00:03:20] >> so like gang banging is like a crime of [00:03:22] necessity [00:03:23] >> that I've literally never said that. I'm [00:03:25] saying [00:03:26] >> you're making an argument of crimes of [00:03:27] necessity. Like they're so hungry they [00:03:28] can't handle it. [00:03:29] >> I'm talking about like crime that has to [00:03:31] do with like getting food, getting stuff [00:03:34] that you need to live, [00:03:36] >> right? But we have food stamps for [00:03:38] anyone that needs it. So that doesn't [00:03:40] exist. We have we have subsidized [00:03:42] housing for anyone that needs it. So [00:03:43] that doesn't exist. We have free health [00:03:45] care for any poor person that wants it [00:03:46] called Medicaid. That doesn't exist. We [00:03:48] also have welfare cash for any that [00:03:49] wants us. That doesn't exist. So what is [00:03:51] it they're missing that they need to go? [00:03:53] Sorry about that. [00:03:53] >> Um well the food like a lot of food [00:03:56] stamp like food stamps might not cover [00:03:58] all of what they need. And also housing [00:04:01] is like there's not there's not [00:04:03] unlimited housing. A lot of people who [00:04:06] are unhoused have to like go to shelters [00:04:09] and then they get kicked out of shelters [00:04:11] because there's a mandatory stay limit. [00:04:13] So it's not like you just get it's not a [00:04:16] stuff thing though, right? It's like if [00:04:18] you need stuff, there's also tons of [00:04:20] charities out there that can provide [00:04:21] assistance. Churches, you will not go [00:04:23] hungry in this country. You will not [00:04:25] starve in this country. [00:04:25] >> Yes, you will. There's like [00:04:27] >> No, we have an obesity problem. We have [00:04:28] an obesity problem, not a starvation [00:04:30] problem in this country. [00:04:31] >> What are you talking about? [00:04:32] >> In State Street, if any one of those [00:04:33] people went to the local Episcopalian [00:04:35] church or Methodist church, they will [00:04:37] get fed. I guarantee it. If they go to a [00:04:39] local food shelter, they will get fed. [00:04:41] >> Okay. But I'm talking Okay. Housing. [00:04:43] >> Okay. For housing. If if we have section [00:04:45] 8 subsidized housing in this country, [00:04:47] right? If you want to have a roof over [00:04:49] your head, you can have a roof over your [00:04:51] head [00:04:52] >> with like a thousands of rules and you [00:04:54] can't do that. [00:04:55] >> Yes. Of course. Yes. I mean, it's not [00:04:56] ideal, but the point is this. So, let's [00:04:58] just go back to the crime of necessity, [00:04:59] right? So, why do people commit crimes? [00:05:03] I'm not saying why all people commit [00:05:05] crimes. I'm saying there are people who [00:05:07] commit crimes because they have no other [00:05:09] choice. [00:05:10] >> Got it. So why is it that other people [00:05:11] that are as poor as they are in separate [00:05:14] racial groups don't commit crimes at the [00:05:16] same rates? So So black Americans are [00:05:19] 13% of the population and commit [00:05:21] anywhere between 50 to 56% of murders, [00:05:25] crimes, carjackings. Why? Why is that? [00:05:27] >> Well, what percentage of the white [00:05:28] population is living in the same level [00:05:30] of poverty? [00:05:30] >> Got it. So, you know, there's twice as [00:05:32] many white Americans in poverty as black [00:05:34] Americans. Not the same percentage, but [00:05:35] still, if you look at white Americans in [00:05:37] poverty, they far they commit far less [00:05:39] crimes than black Americans in poverty. [00:05:41] Why is that? [00:05:42] >> Maybe it's because when you're in a [00:05:44] store, like they follow black people and [00:05:46] they don't follow white people. [00:05:47] >> What about murder? [00:05:49] >> Rural rural. [00:05:50] >> No, but why is it that like saying [00:05:52] murder? Why is it that black people [00:05:53] commit so many more murders? Like that's [00:05:55] not You're being followed in a store and [00:05:56] you commit more murders. [00:05:59] is like [00:06:02] >> you're making the role or I'll get to [00:06:03] you in a sec, but it's not it's not a [00:06:05] good argument. But let me just go back [00:06:06] to one thing you said, systemic racism. [00:06:08] Right? So the idea of systemic is that [00:06:09] it's within our laws. There are some [00:06:11] black Americans here listening. [00:06:13] >> What can you as a white American do that [00:06:16] the black American cannot do? [00:06:19] >> Um let's see. I could go into a store [00:06:22] and not get followed. The police like [00:06:24] the police could not track me down on [00:06:27] like when I'm driving. I'm not pro I'm [00:06:29] less likely to get um shot and killed um [00:06:33] while I'm driving. I um there's a lot of [00:06:36] things that I can do. [00:06:37] >> Okay, so just be clear. So if you walk [00:06:38] into a local CVS here, how would you [00:06:40] guys be treated differently? [00:06:42] >> Well, I would pro they would probably [00:06:43] say hello and they would probably like [00:06:45] just walk like let me in and like not [00:06:47] follow me and then [00:06:49] >> so these are a lot of probablys. I don't [00:06:50] believe you. But I'm talking about laws, [00:06:52] right? So, what in the legal code of [00:06:54] America can you as a white individual do [00:06:57] that the black individual can't? Because [00:06:59] systemic means it's in our code, right? [00:07:00] It's like it's for example like Jim [00:07:02] Crow, totally get it. That's systemic [00:07:03] racism. What is systemically your [00:07:06] advantage? Um maybe like housing codes [00:07:11] because I know redlinining isn't a thing [00:07:12] anymore but there is um like isn't there [00:07:16] people who um are white are more likely [00:07:18] to be given loans because of like they [00:07:21] have less um [00:07:24] like I don't know that's just the like [00:07:26] it's um back from red lining like it [00:07:29] it's a lot of the same stuff. [00:07:32] >> I I I don't I don't buy into any of [00:07:33] that. So I just kind of go [00:07:34] >> you don't buy into red lining or you [00:07:35] don't buy [00:07:36] >> I don't buy into red lining. I don't buy [00:07:37] any of that stuff I have to say. In [00:07:38] fact, it's the opposite. Loans are now [00:07:40] given favorably to black Americans in [00:07:41] certain cities over white Americans. [00:07:43] >> Okay. But [00:07:44] >> so we because of I I believe I I know [00:07:46] red lining existed. I I don't debate [00:07:48] that. Of course, but because of DEI and [00:07:50] because affirmative action, there's [00:07:52] actually a preference given. But so [00:07:53] let's go back to fathers, right? [00:07:55] >> Okay. Let's go back to fathers. [00:07:56] >> So something happened to black America [00:07:58] since 1965. So in 1965, so [00:08:02] >> you mean the war on drugs, [00:08:04] >> right? Well, so if that's your [00:08:05] contention, that's fine. So in order to [00:08:07] again in order to go to jail for the war [00:08:08] on drugs, you have to be dealing drugs, [00:08:10] right? Or you have to be caught with [00:08:11] drugs. So if you don't [00:08:11] >> Yeah. Which is one of like the main jobs [00:08:13] that you can have in a like [00:08:15] povertystricken like if there's no jobs, [00:08:17] like you're you're going to do drugs. I [00:08:19] mean, you're going to trade drugs [00:08:20] because that's the only option. [00:08:21] >> It's such a difference in worldview. [00:08:22] You're making excuses for criminals. [00:08:24] Yeah. And what no what an insult to poor [00:08:27] immigrants that came to this country [00:08:28] that didn't commit crimes and worked two [00:08:30] or three jobs and worked themselves out [00:08:32] of poverty and didn't decide to go deal [00:08:34] coke. [00:08:34] >> Well, my father is a white immigrant [00:08:37] from Poland and he committed crimes and [00:08:40] he's fine now. [00:08:41] >> Did he go to jail? [00:08:42] >> Yeah, he did. [00:08:42] >> I thought there was systemic racism. [00:08:44] That doesn't happen very much. [00:08:45] >> I I never said white people don't go to [00:08:47] jail. I said they go more. And you're [00:08:49] saying that white immigrants are fine [00:08:50] and they don't [00:08:51] >> far less. Actually, I'm glad he went to [00:08:53] jail if he committed a crime. I'm think [00:08:54] that's I think it's terrible. So, but [00:08:57] the at the core of it, we have a [00:08:58] difference in worldview, right? My [00:09:00] worldview is I'm not sympathetic to [00:09:01] people that steal, that loot, and murder [00:09:05] because that's a values problem. And I [00:09:07] don't like making excuses for people [00:09:09] that do things that are obviously [00:09:11] destructive. Secondly, we have a problem [00:09:13] in black America. The biggest problem is [00:09:15] not racism. It's the lack of dads. If [00:09:18] dads are around, kids flourish. [00:09:21] >> I'm I'm fine with having fathers. [00:09:23] There's I'm I'm not against having black [00:09:25] for sure. I'm saying but don't we agree? [00:09:27] Has anyone heard that mentioned on the [00:09:29] national scale in the last 10 years? [00:09:31] >> Um [00:09:33] >> yeah. I mean we we we've heard about [00:09:34] like Yeah. And [00:09:36] >> because there's bigger issues. [00:09:37] >> No, there isn't. See, that's the issue [00:09:39] is that in this is what makes us [00:09:40] different as a conservative. I focus on [00:09:43] if you have family breakdown, don't [00:09:45] worry about climate change. Don't worry [00:09:47] about systemic racism. All that stuff is [00:09:48] like these crazy abstraction. [00:09:50] >> You can create family problems. Systemic [00:09:52] racism creates family problems. If you [00:09:54] take away black people from their [00:09:56] families, then they're going to have [00:09:58] broken families. [00:09:58] >> Okay. So, but that's interesting. How [00:10:00] are you taking them away? Aren't they [00:10:02] leaving? [00:10:03] >> They're not staying with the women [00:10:04] they're impregnated. Not So, for [00:10:05] example, there there are there 13% of [00:10:08] the population is black. Not every [00:10:09] single person ends up in jail, [00:10:11] obviously. And yet there's huge child [00:10:13] abandonment because there's a cultural [00:10:15] expectation that is different in black [00:10:17] America than in white America, which is [00:10:19] it's okay to impregnate a woman and [00:10:20] abandon her in black America. It's not [00:10:22] >> based on what what is what is that based [00:10:23] on? [00:10:24] >> That's a good question. Where does it [00:10:25] come from? It's just based on [00:10:27] >> No, I'm saying what is that like your [00:10:28] view of black America? [00:10:29] >> What is that view? It's true. I mean, [00:10:30] don't take my word for it. Look at [00:10:32] Thomas Soul and Shelby Steele that have [00:10:34] done amazing analysis on this. It's that [00:10:36] in black culture that is not considered [00:10:38] to be a stigma. in white upper middle [00:10:40] class culture. For those of you that [00:10:42] grew up in Wauaaw or Libertyville or [00:10:44] grew up in Hinsdale or grew up in [00:10:46] Neapville, you guys all know those [00:10:47] neighborhoods. If you impregnate a girl, [00:10:50] a woman, and you just like abandon her, [00:10:52] that's frowned upon. That is a social [00:10:54] stigma in upper middle class white [00:10:55] culture. [00:10:56] >> And it's not in black culture. [00:10:58] >> No. In fact, it's glorified by the rap [00:11:00] culture. [00:11:01] >> It is. [00:11:02] >> I I think I think rap culture is ex [00:11:05] showing what happened. I don't think [00:11:07] it's I think [00:11:08] >> Do you think that the songs that are the [00:11:09] most popular in black America are [00:11:11] uplifting black America to be better [00:11:13] versions of themselves? [00:11:14] >> I think the most popular [00:11:16] >> like Nicki Minaj, Cardi B, do you think [00:11:17] that they're like empowering people to [00:11:19] be great? Well, I do think um Cardi B [00:11:21] and Nicki Minaj are empowering, but when [00:11:23] you talk about like like [00:11:26] >> wow, [00:11:26] >> black um like let's go like Kendrick or [00:11:29] whatever like they're talking about [00:11:32] their life experiences and they're [00:11:34] saying this is what happened to me and [00:11:36] people relate to that because that's [00:11:38] also what happened to them. It's not [00:11:39] saying this is the greatest thing in the [00:11:41] entire world. [00:11:41] >> Does it lift up the audience to become [00:11:43] better? [00:11:44] >> I think so because it's like because [00:11:46] it's saying we all relate to this. we [00:11:48] can all like this is our story. This is [00:11:51] we can be like better than this. Even [00:11:53] though it's like I mean there's better, [00:11:55] there's not better. It depends on what [00:11:56] your worldview is. But I think that rap [00:11:59] is good because it can like [00:12:01] >> No, I'm not saying it's bad or good. I'm [00:12:02] saying like the just the the essence, [00:12:03] the core, the ethos is not exactly about [00:12:05] like quitting drinking, quitting drugs, [00:12:07] and getting married and having children. [00:12:09] No, it's about what you have done, not [00:12:10] about like [00:12:12] >> No, but just like to be clear like in [00:12:14] black rap culture, is it generally [00:12:16] glorified to go sleep with a lot of [00:12:18] women? [00:12:19] >> I I mean that's your view of it. [00:12:21] >> I'm asking a question. Is it in black [00:12:22] rap culture? [00:12:23] >> Yes or no, guys? In black rap culture [00:12:25] >> is glorify women [00:12:26] >> to be able to sleep with a lot of women. [00:12:29] >> I mean, I think that's one aspect. Yeah. [00:12:31] >> Okay. So, let's just take that aspect [00:12:32] >> because it's um a luxury that people can [00:12:34] do and like it's one of the things that [00:12:36] people can do and everyone can relate [00:12:38] to. [00:12:39] or a lot of people can relate to that. [00:12:40] >> Shouldn't ideally your culture try to [00:12:43] elevate and try to challenge the [00:12:45] individual to virtue and goodness, not [00:12:48] try to bring them down to the lowest [00:12:50] parts of their [00:12:50] >> who is I'm again I'm not saying that [00:12:53] they are bringing them down. I'm saying [00:12:54] that this is what they are doing and [00:12:56] they are sharing their experiences. [00:12:58] They're not saying this is the best [00:13:00] thing in the entire world. They're [00:13:01] saying this is what I have been through [00:13:04] >> like sleeping with a lot of women. [00:13:05] >> Yeah. or like gang violence and you know [00:13:08] >> I mean if that's what like a lot of [00:13:10] people have been through gang violence [00:13:11] because it that's what's happening in [00:13:13] their neighborhoods that's the only [00:13:14] that's they feel like that's the only [00:13:16] option and you might know that that's [00:13:18] not the only option but when you are [00:13:20] living in that neighborhood and you you [00:13:22] don't see any jobs this is how your [00:13:24] family was raising you what like what [00:13:27] other option do you have and once you're [00:13:28] in it it's really hard to get out [00:13:30] >> so got it you talk about systemic racism [00:13:33] and that being a major driver of, you [00:13:36] know, black America's failure to launch, [00:13:38] if you will. We subsidize single [00:13:40] motherhood in this country. So, if you [00:13:42] stay single as a single mother, you get [00:13:43] money from the federal government and [00:13:45] you're it's basically subsidized, if you [00:13:46] will. [00:13:47] >> Sure. [00:13:47] >> Can we can we at least agree that if the [00:13:51] nuclear family in black America was [00:13:53] stronger and tighter knit, that would be [00:13:54] a good thing? [00:13:56] >> Um, in in a lot of cases, yeah, I think [00:13:59] if but I think if they're like if the [00:14:02] father's abusive, I would not want him [00:14:04] there. So, I think it really depends on [00:14:05] like what family you're talking about. I [00:14:07] don't think you can generalize. [00:14:08] >> What percentage of fathers do you think [00:14:09] are abusive? [00:14:10] >> I have no idea. [00:14:11] >> I would say it's probably small, right? [00:14:12] >> Um, [00:14:14] not like I don't know. I I have no idea. [00:14:16] I have not done research on what [00:14:18] percentage of fathers, but generally [00:14:20] it's good when mom and dad stays around [00:14:21] and is raising a kid. [00:14:23] >> I would say if they are both healthy [00:14:26] parents and they are both ready to have [00:14:28] a child, it's great. My father not ready [00:14:30] to have a child, do not want him around [00:14:32] me. There's one last question on role [00:14:33] models. Let's say there's, you know, a [00:14:35] black kid right now. Would you rather [00:14:37] have that black kid have a role model be [00:14:39] Kendrick Lamar or Clarence Thomas? [00:14:42] >> Kendrick, obviously. [00:14:44] >> So, not the not the black American on [00:14:46] the United States Supreme Court. [00:14:48] >> No, he's he's trying to ban interracial [00:14:50] marriage. He's trying to like do [00:14:51] >> Wow. No, he's he's in an interracial [00:14:53] marriage. [00:14:54] >> He literally like [00:14:55] >> he's married to a white woman. [00:14:57] >> Yeah, I know. the Roie Wade thing like [00:15:00] goes against [00:15:00] >> he's trying to ban his own marriage. [00:15:02] That's [00:15:02] >> I thought I sorry to break it to you but [00:15:04] like Rode So just to be clear. So and [00:15:06] that that's fine. This is the difference [00:15:07] in worldview. We have clarity but not [00:15:09] agreement. You'd rather have Kendrick [00:15:10] Lamar who sleeps around with everything [00:15:12] that moves [00:15:13] >> who is a poet who won a Nobel Prize who [00:15:15] >> right no versus Clarence Thomas who grew [00:15:17] up in the antibbellum South who's a US [00:15:19] Supreme Court justice one of the [00:15:21] smartest people ever to serve on the [00:15:23] Supreme Court as a black American. And [00:15:24] that that's the difference is that we as [00:15:27] conservatives think that Clarence Thomas [00:15:29] is a far better role model for black [00:15:30] America than just some some rapper.