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[00:00:00] Of all the great memes and clips on the
[00:00:03] internet, Fat Kid falls off bike being
[00:00:05] of course the top of the list really in
[00:00:10] the last 13 years, 13 years this week,
[00:00:13] almost nothing created on this planet
[00:00:17] has surpassed in popularity or sheer
[00:00:20] hilarity an interview that took place on
[00:00:21] Ugandan television in December of 2012
[00:00:24] on a show called Morning Breeze, the
[00:00:27] morning show of Campala, Uganda.
[00:00:29] in which a trans activist, a woman who
[00:00:33] now identifies as a man, came on and was
[00:00:35] asked a series of questions by the host.
[00:00:38] And if you don't know what we're talking
[00:00:40] about, here is a two-cond clip that
[00:00:43] reveals the essence of the conversation.
[00:00:45] >> Why are you gay?
[00:00:47] >> Why are you gay?
[00:00:49] It's Let's play that again.
[00:00:51] >> Why are you gay? [laughter]
[00:00:53] It's still the funniest thing that's
[00:00:56] ever been on the internet. But why is it
[00:00:59] funny? And why does almost everyone find
[00:01:03] it funny? Left, right, straight, gay?
[00:01:09] Well, because it's kind of the key
[00:01:11] question and it's kind of the question
[00:01:13] that no one in the United States is
[00:01:14] allowed to ask. Why are you gay? And of
[00:01:17] course, it's being asked by an East
[00:01:19] African with kind of a quaint
[00:01:22] semic-colonial accent. And you know,
[00:01:24] conservatives can laugh at it, liberals
[00:01:26] can laugh at it. Really, this is the
[00:01:27] kind of the only way a white liberal in
[00:01:29] the United States could ever laugh at a
[00:01:30] black person. If it's an African
[00:01:33] expressing non-PC views on
[00:01:34] homosexuality, why are you gay? And of
[00:01:37] course, people in the West laugh because
[00:01:38] the guy's an idiot. Why are you gay? We
[00:01:41] all know why you're gay.
[00:01:43] Why are you gay? Actually, we're
[00:01:46] laughing in part because we're not
[00:01:47] allowed to ask that question. It's
[00:01:49] settled, though no one's really
[00:01:50] explained what about it is settled. If
[00:01:53] you were to ask the average American,
[00:01:54] why are people gay? They would probably
[00:01:56] say, well, they're born that way. And
[00:01:57] then if you follow it up with, well, how
[00:01:59] exactly does that work? They would have
[00:02:00] no idea and tell you to shut up. Because
[00:02:03] again, like so many myths or things that
[00:02:06] we think we know, we don't really know.
[00:02:08] We can't really explain it. But we do
[00:02:10] know for dead certain, we're not allowed
[00:02:12] to talk about it. So when some African
[00:02:14] morning show host in Uganda, wherever
[00:02:16] the hell that is, asks it out loud, we
[00:02:19] can't help but laugh nervously,
[00:02:22] why are you gay?
[00:02:24] If you watch the whole interview, and
[00:02:26] actually it's worth watching because
[00:02:27] it's really revealing um both about
[00:02:30] Uganda and about the West, the first
[00:02:33] thing you notice is how polite everybody
[00:02:35] is. That tone, why are you gay?
[00:02:38] continued throughout the entire
[00:02:39] interview, which lasted over an hour.
[00:02:41] just watched it and the morning show
[00:02:44] host, whether you like him or dislike
[00:02:45] him, was just unfailingly polite to the
[00:02:47] guest who was him or herself also
[00:02:49] unfailingly polite. And they were just
[00:02:51] sort of talking past each other. The
[00:02:53] trans activist couldn't really explain
[00:02:55] why he or she was gay or whether gay was
[00:02:57] different from trans or what was good
[00:02:59] about being gay. That was another
[00:03:00] question the host asked. Why would you
[00:03:02] want to be gay? And the trans activist
[00:03:05] just like didn't really have an answer.
[00:03:08] What was amazing was
[00:03:12] the sweetness of it. It was not a hate
[00:03:14] crime. Was not even approaching a hate
[00:03:16] crime. No conversation like that could
[00:03:17] take place in the United States. But the
[00:03:20] host was coming from a position of total
[00:03:21] certainty that this is just weird and
[00:03:23] wrong. And that is the consensus in a
[00:03:25] lot of the world. And it's certainly
[00:03:27] famously the consensus in Uganda and the
[00:03:31] consensus in the United States across
[00:03:32] both parties and pretty much the whole
[00:03:34] educated population is they're horrible
[00:03:38] because they think homosexuality is
[00:03:40] wrong. And we know this because about 10
[00:03:42] years later in Uganda the legislature
[00:03:45] passed almost unanimously with only I
[00:03:48] think one dissenting vote a law against
[00:03:51] something called aggravated
[00:03:53] homosexuality.
[00:03:54] Aggravated homosexuality as of 2023
[00:03:59] is a death penalty offense in Uganda.
[00:04:02] What? Aggravated homosexuality? A death
[00:04:05] penalty offense? That's medieval. But
[00:04:08] how is it defined in Uganda? Well, if
[00:04:10] you read it, and you can cuz it's
[00:04:11] online,
[00:04:13] the Ugandan government
[00:04:16] defines aggregated homosexuality as gay
[00:04:20] rape of children, gay rape of the
[00:04:22] elderly who can't consent, people over
[00:04:24] 75, gay rape of people who are mentally
[00:04:29] deficient,
[00:04:30] and the intentional transmission of
[00:04:32] deadly diseases to another person. So
[00:04:36] it's rape and murder effectively are
[00:04:40] against the law. In fact, capital crimes
[00:04:42] in Uganda. H
[00:04:45] it's a little different than advertised,
[00:04:47] but you would never know it because the
[00:04:51] entire American political class erupted
[00:04:54] as one when this law passed in East
[00:04:58] Africa, thousands of miles away, with a
[00:05:01] nonrelevant trading partner with no real
[00:05:03] military. In other words, there's no
[00:05:04] actual reason to care about what Uganda
[00:05:06] does. But everyone here did care
[00:05:08] bipartisanly.
[00:05:10] And we're actually not going to expect
[00:05:12] you to take our word for it. We're going
[00:05:13] to go right to the CIA for the answer,
[00:05:16] meaning Wikipedia.
[00:05:18] This is the Wikipedia description
[00:05:22] of the response. President Joe Biden
[00:05:24] weighed in. This was two years ago. This
[00:05:26] is 2023. President Joe Biden condemned
[00:05:28] the law, calling it quote, "a tragic
[00:05:30] violation of universal human rights."
[00:05:32] and quote the latest development in an
[00:05:34] alarming trend of human rights abuses
[00:05:37] and corruption in Uganda corruption. So
[00:05:41] here the Ugandans
[00:05:43] the Ugandans
[00:05:46] had the timmerity to exercise a
[00:05:49] democratic process using a legislature
[00:05:53] elected by the people of Uganda to pass
[00:05:56] a law almost unanimously with one
[00:05:58] dissenting vote and that's corruption.
[00:06:02] It's almost as corrupt as the anti-gay
[00:06:03] marriage initiative in California that
[00:06:05] voters passed, but judges wisely struck
[00:06:07] down in the name of democracy. Okay, so
[00:06:09] that was Biden's response. But it wasn't
[00:06:12] just Biden. Here's Senator Ted Cruz, the
[00:06:15] self-described conservative from Texas.
[00:06:17] Here's what he said. He tweeted this. He
[00:06:19] put this in writing as he so often does
[00:06:22] and we're quoting any law criminalizing
[00:06:24] homosexuality or imposing the death
[00:06:26] penalty for quote aggravated
[00:06:29] homosexuality is grotesque and an
[00:06:32] abomination.
[00:06:33] All civilized nations to join to should
[00:06:36] join together in condemning this human
[00:06:38] rights abuse.
[00:06:41] So, it's uncivilized
[00:06:44] to penalize gay rape or the intentional
[00:06:47] transmission of a deadly disease. That's
[00:06:49] uncivilized.
[00:06:53] Seems kind of civilized. But at the
[00:06:55] time, nobody agreed. This was grotesque.
[00:06:57] The kind of thing that only Africans
[00:06:59] would do. It's one step up from
[00:07:00] cannibalism. Can you believe it?
[00:07:02] Penalizing gay rape and the intent
[00:07:05] intentional transmission of AIDS. What
[00:07:06] do I think of next? We'll throw you in a
[00:07:09] stew pot, savages.
[00:07:12] You'll notice that uh Uncle Ted called
[00:07:14] it an abomination and the Anglican
[00:07:18] Communion agreed. Here's Justin Welby,
[00:07:22] the Archbishop of Canterbury, the leader
[00:07:24] of the rapidly dying Anglican Communion,
[00:07:26] which would include the Episcopal Church
[00:07:27] of the United States, the the State
[00:07:29] Church of England.
[00:07:31] He wrote to the Archbishop of Uganda,
[00:07:34] Christian brother to Christian brother
[00:07:35] to express his quote grief and dismay at
[00:07:39] the Church of Uganda's support for the
[00:07:40] Antihomosexuality Act.
[00:07:44] The head of the Church of England was
[00:07:47] filled with grief at the thought that
[00:07:49] rape would be banned and the intentional
[00:07:52] transmission of AIDS, etc., etc. But it
[00:07:55] didn't stop with expressions of grief
[00:07:56] and condemnation and tweets from Ted
[00:07:58] Cruz. No.
[00:08:00] It got right to the hard stuff, to the
[00:08:04] things that matter, meaning money and
[00:08:07] foreign aid.
[00:08:09] Here's the World Bank. Immediately, the
[00:08:11] World Bank swings into action. The World
[00:08:14] Bank announced it would halt lending to
[00:08:16] Uganda
[00:08:18] response to the new law. NO MORE
[00:08:19] LENDING. NO [clears throat] MORE MONEY
[00:08:20] for you. We're cutting you off. The
[00:08:23] financial institution noted that the act
[00:08:25] quote fundamentally contradicts the
[00:08:27] World Bank group's values.
[00:08:30] Oo, what are the World Bank's values?
[00:08:33] That'd be interesting to know.
[00:08:35] [laughter]
[00:08:37] You know, in a sane country,
[00:08:38] contradicting the World Bank's quote
[00:08:40] values
[00:08:42] would be uh a sign of virtue. Probably
[00:08:45] probably get a merit badge for that. But
[00:08:47] the World Bank was outraged. They know
[00:08:49] sin when they see it. banning gay rape.
[00:08:51] We'll tolerate a lot, but not that.
[00:08:54] And then finally, Joe Biden in October
[00:08:56] of 2023 spun fully into a frenzy at this
[00:08:59] point, watching taking the lead of the
[00:09:00] World Bank, announced that Uganda would
[00:09:02] be expelled from the group of subsaharan
[00:09:05] African countries that benefit from tax
[00:09:06] breaks under the US African Growth and
[00:09:08] Opportunity Act, AGOA,
[00:09:11] because of the country's quote gross
[00:09:13] violations of internationally recognized
[00:09:15] human rights which violate the AGOA
[00:09:18] eligibility criteria.
[00:09:22] So that was 2023. So bottom line, no
[00:09:25] more money for you.
[00:09:28] What happened next? Well, Uganda didn't
[00:09:30] starved. Next year there was a famine.
[00:09:32] [laughter]
[00:09:33] I mean, not to laugh at famine, but it's
[00:09:35] almost unbelievable.
[00:09:37] So you you ban
[00:09:40] you ban gay rape of children and the
[00:09:43] elderly and the mentally disabled, and
[00:09:45] we're going to starve you out. And boy,
[00:09:47] did they. The United States shut it
[00:09:49] down. International aid institutions
[00:09:53] followed suit and the next year Uganda
[00:09:56] had a famine that is still ongoing. 50%
[00:09:58] of children in Uganda today suffer of
[00:10:01] the symptoms of malnutrition, stunted
[00:10:03] growth, anemia. 50% half of all Ugandan
[00:10:06] kids are starving.
[00:10:10] And of course, Uganda has never been a
[00:10:11] rich country. It's had a lot of turmoil.
[00:10:12] Edamin was from there. Uganda has some
[00:10:15] problems for sure.
[00:10:18] But the year after the West collectively
[00:10:22] withdrew aid from Uganda, billions in
[00:10:25] aid, they have a famine. And it's all
[00:10:28] because they banned gay rape of
[00:10:32] children. Okay. So, I guess the point
[00:10:36] here is
[00:10:38] our values are pretty clear. We're for
[00:10:42] this and we're totally against
[00:10:44] questioning it. And if you do, we will
[00:10:47] hurt you.
[00:10:49] So what is that? Why are you gay? Maybe
[00:10:52] that's a question worth asking.
[00:10:56] But of course, nobody has. And then you
[00:10:58] wake up one morning and you realize that
[00:11:01] supporting homosexuality,
[00:11:04] which is very different from like not
[00:11:05] hating gays, no one should hate gays.
[00:11:09] And most Americans don't hate gays. In
[00:11:11] fact, when was the last time we met an
[00:11:12] American who did hate gays? I know I
[00:11:14] ever have. At least in the past 30
[00:11:15] years, no one hates gays. You know a
[00:11:18] million gays and some of them are
[00:11:19] awesome people work for you or your
[00:11:21] friends or whatever. It's not about
[00:11:22] hating gays.
[00:11:24] It's about being forced to say this is
[00:11:27] an affirmative good and if you disagree
[00:11:30] with that, then you are affirmatively
[00:11:33] bad and we're going to stoke a famine in
[00:11:35] your country to punish you. That's
[00:11:36] literally where we are. And some of us
[00:11:39] should have been paying closer attention
[00:11:41] as this movement never formally
[00:11:44] declared, not the gay rights movement,
[00:11:46] but the terror against anyone who
[00:11:49] opposes gay rights, whatever those are,
[00:11:51] worshiping homosexuality.
[00:11:54] We should pay closer attention. Going to
[00:11:57] refer you to one of the great clips of
[00:11:59] the entire Biden administration. When
[00:12:00] people look back on the B
[00:12:01] administration, there will be, of
[00:12:03] course, an endless loop of him falling
[00:12:05] off his bike or identifying his sister
[00:12:07] as his wife or clips designed to show
[00:12:10] how confused and scenile this poor guy
[00:12:12] was. And those will in a lot of ways
[00:12:13] represent the administration. But it's
[00:12:15] the moment of clarity, those occasional
[00:12:17] moments of clarity where Biden was
[00:12:18] really saying something on purpose cuz
[00:12:20] he meant it and he wanted to tell you
[00:12:21] what was important. Those are the clips
[00:12:24] that actually define the four disastrous
[00:12:27] years of Joe Biden. And above all, I
[00:12:30] would argue this clip tells you
[00:12:33] everything you need to know about the
[00:12:35] values of the US government, of our
[00:12:37] popular culture, of the West
[00:12:38] collectively. And once we understand the
[00:12:41] values, we can assess, are those the
[00:12:42] right values? And can a civilization
[00:12:44] continue with those values? But first,
[00:12:46] the clip. Here's Joe Biden describing a
[00:12:48] trip to downtown Wilmington, Delaware
[00:12:50] with his dad in 1962. I remember getting
[00:12:54] out of a car when I was trying to be
[00:12:56] dropped off at the local um uh city hall
[00:12:59] to get a job to be the only white
[00:13:02] employee in the east side of town in in
[00:13:04] in the neighborhood in in the projects
[00:13:06] as as a as a lifeguard. My dad was
[00:13:09] dropping me off so I could he go around
[00:13:11] the block. I'd run and get the
[00:13:12] application. And two well-dressed men
[00:13:15] kissed one another as I was open the
[00:13:17] door. And I had seen that before. And I
[00:13:20] turned around and one walked off to the
[00:13:22] Deont building. One walked off to what
[00:13:24] used to be called the Hercules
[00:13:25] Corporation. And I looked at my dad and
[00:13:27] he just looked at me said, "It's simple,
[00:13:28] honey. They love each other. It's just
[00:13:31] basic. There's nothing complicated about
[00:13:33] it. That's how I was raised for real."
[00:13:39] Like, it's the greatest clip ever. And
[00:13:40] there's just so much. I mean, you you
[00:13:42] could really spend all day getting
[00:13:44] taludic on it, just dissecting it and
[00:13:46] trying to figure out what it means. I
[00:13:47] mean, there's so many parts to this.
[00:13:49] First of all, Biden's dad called him
[00:13:51] honey. That's weird. What What dad calls
[00:13:55] his boy honey? Honey.
[00:13:58] Strange. Um, and who knows what it
[00:13:59] means. Not implying anything, but it's
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[00:15:28] Um, but the main thing to notice is this
[00:15:30] is 1962
[00:15:32] that this supposedly happened in
[00:15:33] downtown Wilmington, Delaware. And in
[00:15:36] 1962, what was the state of America's
[00:15:39] views about homosexuality? Not an
[00:15:41] individual gays. This has always been a
[00:15:43] very very tolerant country for all
[00:15:45] minority groups actually uh by any any
[00:15:48] global standard. Um, but uh the
[00:15:51] country's official views on like gay
[00:15:53] sex, for example, well, it was a felony
[00:15:55] in 49 states in the summer of 1962, the
[00:15:59] only state in which it was legal,
[00:16:00] Illinois, had just legalized it several
[00:16:03] months before. So having gay sex in the
[00:16:06] United States when Biden claims this
[00:16:08] happened, was a felony pretty much
[00:16:12] everywhere. A felony. Very few people
[00:16:14] ever went to jail for it because no one
[00:16:16] was really interested in enforcing it.
[00:16:19] But the laws of the United States
[00:16:20] mirrored those of pretty much every
[00:16:22] country in the world from then going
[00:16:24] back maybe to Athens. Like people have
[00:16:27] always been against this. It's always
[00:16:29] been officially discouraged by every
[00:16:31] single society. The question is why?
[00:16:33] That's worth a conversation at some
[00:16:35] point. Probably not just random bigotry.
[00:16:39] Every society that we know about ever
[00:16:41] has had an official policy against gay
[00:16:44] sex or forms of gay sex.
[00:16:49] Why? Again, can you explain to me
[00:16:50] without getting hysterical? Maybe
[00:16:51] there's a reason there. Who knows? But
[00:16:54] that was a state in the United States uh
[00:16:56] in the summer of 1962.
[00:16:59] So the idea that Joe Biden's drunk used
[00:17:02] car salesman dad turned to him, this
[00:17:04] brutish Irish guy who Biden has
[00:17:05] described many times and says, "Honey,
[00:17:07] honey, it's just love. It's okay. It's
[00:17:11] just love. Two guys making out outside
[00:17:13] the Dupont building in downtown
[00:17:15] Wilmington. It's totally normal."
[00:17:18] Uh is so transparently absurd.
[00:17:22] Um, it's such an obvious attempt to
[00:17:26] graft modern values onto an antique
[00:17:31] uh setting that it's so clearly fake
[00:17:33] that amazingly no one laughed. But no
[00:17:35] one did laugh cuz no one was allowed to
[00:17:36] laugh. But that's absurd. You ask anyone
[00:17:39] who was alive in 1960s. You just use
[00:17:40] common sense. That didn't happen. But
[00:17:41] notice how Biden frames it. He said he
[00:17:44] was getting dropped off to get a job as
[00:17:45] the only white man working in the hood,
[00:17:49] breaking the color barrier.
[00:17:51] It wasn't just a summer job. It was a
[00:17:53] victory for civil rights. And he was the
[00:17:56] kind of guy who would do that because
[00:17:58] his family had a long commitment to
[00:17:59] civil rights as evidenced by his
[00:18:01] father's kind of casual acceptance
[00:18:04] of homosexuality. Just love. It's just
[00:18:06] love. Okay.
[00:18:09] So, what do we learn from that? We
[00:18:10] learned that Biden's of course a
[00:18:12] fabulist. We knew that. [snorts] But in
[00:18:14] this specific clip, he's lying for a
[00:18:16] reason to transmit to the nation its
[00:18:19] essential values. And at the very top of
[00:18:22] that list is we are for homosexuality.
[00:18:26] That's number one. It's right up there
[00:18:27] with civil rights. People get to vote.
[00:18:30] People get to have Kay sex. That's
[00:18:32] America. That's our culture.
[00:18:35] Okay.
[00:18:37] So, it probably shouldn't surprise you
[00:18:39] that the self-reported incidents of
[00:18:42] homosexuality and its many varieties in
[00:18:44] the United States rose dramatically
[00:18:47] during that period. And here are roughly
[00:18:49] the numbers. So, about a little over 10
[00:18:51] years ago, 2012, among young people in
[00:18:54] the United States, about 6% said, "Yeah,
[00:18:56] I'm not heterosexual." So, that would be
[00:18:58] in the range that, you know, we've been
[00:19:00] told for many years was natural, right?
[00:19:03] maybe 10%, a little under 10% of people
[00:19:05] say they're not heterosexual and
[00:19:07] whatever, you know, gay, lesbian,
[00:19:09] transgender, bisexual, whatever, but
[00:19:11] they're not one man, one woman, monogamy
[00:19:14] people at all. Um, so that was the
[00:19:17] number a little over 10 years ago. Last
[00:19:19] year, the number among young people was
[00:19:21] over 20%.
[00:19:23] So, a little more than a decade, you
[00:19:26] have a three-fold increase, 300%
[00:19:29] increase in self-identified
[00:19:32] non-heterosexual orientation in a little
[00:19:35] over 10 years. H what are we looking at?
[00:19:39] Well, we're looking at demographic
[00:19:40] collapse among other things. Um, right.
[00:19:44] But what is the phenomena actually?
[00:19:49] Where does this come from? Or to put it
[00:19:51] in Ugandan terms, why are you gay?
[00:19:55] Well, let's see. We have been told for
[00:19:59] the course of my life that you're born
[00:20:01] gay. It's like handedness or eye color
[00:20:03] or height. It's just something that
[00:20:06] you're born with. God created you that
[00:20:08] way. You are unique. Your iris, your
[00:20:12] fingerprints, your sexuality, they're
[00:20:13] all unique to you. And that's something
[00:20:16] not to be embarrassed of, unless you're
[00:20:17] a white man, in which case, of course,
[00:20:19] slink away in shame, be denied admission
[00:20:22] to college or a job. But for everyone
[00:20:25] else, your immutable characteristics are
[00:20:26] something that you celebrate, that you
[00:20:28] should be proud of. They not something
[00:20:30] that you chose. They're not something
[00:20:31] you can change.
[00:20:33] And this is the story that all of us
[00:20:35] have been told. And most of us, me
[00:20:37] included, sort of kind of believe that.
[00:20:40] Okay? And if that's true, of course, you
[00:20:42] could never ever show bias against
[00:20:45] someone on the basis of his immutable
[00:20:47] characteristics because that's wrong.
[00:20:48] It's also uncchristian. And that is
[00:20:50] true. It is uncristian to attack someone
[00:20:52] on the basis of something with which he
[00:20:54] was born. Of course, really no one has
[00:20:57] put this in clearer terms than the
[00:20:59] former mayor of Southbend, Indiana,
[00:21:02] the former transportation secretary, and
[00:21:04] as of today, the leading candidate for
[00:21:08] the Democratic nomination in 2028, Mr.
[00:21:10] Pete Buddha Judge. Here he is.
[00:21:13] >> I can tell you that if me being gay was
[00:21:15] a choice, it was a choice that was made
[00:21:17] far, far above my pay grade.
[00:21:21] [applause]
[00:21:26] And that's the thing I wish the Mike
[00:21:28] Pences of the world would understand
[00:21:30] that if you got a problem with who I am,
[00:21:32] your problem is not with me. Your
[00:21:34] quarrel, sir, is with my creator. TAKE
[00:21:37] IT UP WITH GOD. HE MADE ME THIS WAY.
[00:21:40] Notice the self-s seriousness. The sort
[00:21:42] of JFKesque gaze into the distance. Your
[00:21:46] quarrel, sir, is with my creator. little
[00:21:50] drama queen. Yeah, maybe. Okay.
[00:21:54] But that doesn't really answer the
[00:21:56] question. Why was Pete Buddha Judge
[00:21:58] dating chicks for the first part of his
[00:22:01] adult life? By his own admission, he was
[00:22:03] dating women, like a bunch of women. He
[00:22:06] was openly heterosexual, including in
[00:22:08] the US military after the repeal of
[00:22:11] Don't Ask Don't Tell. So, it's totally
[00:22:13] legal to be gay in the military, but
[00:22:15] Pete was still heterosexual.
[00:22:18] So,
[00:22:20] The answer I think most people come to
[00:22:22] is, well, he was just ashamed of being
[00:22:24] gay. Like, he couldn't be his true self.
[00:22:26] He couldn't kind of let it out. Maybe
[00:22:28] that's true. Though, those of us who
[00:22:29] were living in the United States 10
[00:22:32] years ago, remember that there was no
[00:22:34] sanction against being gay. Tons of gay
[00:22:36] television is filled with gay people.
[00:22:38] Those of us who worked in television
[00:22:38] around gay people, great gay people
[00:22:40] actually, just being clear, really nice,
[00:22:43] good people all day long. There was
[00:22:45] nothing weird about being gay 10 years
[00:22:46] ago, 15 years ago, when Pete Buddha
[00:22:49] Judge was like, "I couldn't come to
[00:22:50] terms with my own sexuality because his
[00:22:52] parents are so oppressive." No, they
[00:22:53] were actually lifestyle liberals.
[00:22:55] They're big left-wingers, his parents.
[00:22:57] So, probably unlikely that his parents
[00:22:58] were like, "DON'T BE GAY, SON." IF YOU
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[00:24:21] basics. So, it's a completely fair
[00:24:23] question. You were dating chicks not
[00:24:25] that long ago, a bunch of them, and all
[00:24:28] of a sudden you're getting all self-s
[00:24:29] serious about how God made you this way.
[00:24:31] Explain how that works.
[00:24:34] It's a totally fair question,
[00:24:36] especially since
[00:24:38] Pete Buddha Judge's whole identity is
[00:24:40] wrapped up in being gay. His whole
[00:24:43] identity, it's not like Pete Buddha
[00:24:45] Judge is running for president because
[00:24:46] he's had such an incredible career as a
[00:24:49] public servant. He fixed Southbend,
[00:24:51] Indiana. He's just a really good mayor.
[00:24:53] Nobody thinks that. Ask anybody in
[00:24:55] Southbend.
[00:24:56] He was just a really good driver in the
[00:24:59] US military. who's an awesome
[00:25:01] transportation secretary. He was a joke
[00:25:04] as a transportation secretary. Did air
[00:25:06] travel get better under Pete Buddha
[00:25:08] Judge? Did the roads get fixed? Did
[00:25:11] anything improve in American
[00:25:13] transportation during Pete Buddhajud's
[00:25:15] tenure as transportation secretary? No,
[00:25:18] he wasn't just lame. He was awful. And
[00:25:21] in case you don't remember, here's his
[00:25:23] signature achievement as Secretary of
[00:25:24] Transportation, identifying racist roads
[00:25:27] >> and the interstate system. The
[00:25:28] interstate system was built to keep
[00:25:30] certain groups in and certain groups
[00:25:32] out. So it was built on a racist system.
[00:25:34] Correct.
[00:25:34] >> Yeah. Often this wasn't just an act of
[00:25:37] neglect. Often this was a conscious
[00:25:39] choice. There was racism physically
[00:25:41] built into some of our highways.
[00:25:43] >> There was racism built in to the
[00:25:45] highways. There was rebar and a concrete
[00:25:48] substrate and of course gravel and then
[00:25:50] asphalt poured over the top. But mixed
[00:25:52] in there probably in a drum at some
[00:25:54] point was actual white racism. It was
[00:25:57] mixed into the roads and that's why
[00:25:58] people judge had to tear them up. That's
[00:26:01] it. That's a real clip. That's not AI as
[00:26:03] you may remember. Like that's insane.
[00:26:07] That was his tenure as Secretary of of
[00:26:10] Transportation. Not being mean to him
[00:26:13] and it's like not even worth dredging
[00:26:15] that up again except to make the point
[00:26:19] that being gay isn't just this thing
[00:26:22] about Pete Buddha Judge. It's the whole
[00:26:26] point of Pete Buddha Judge. It is the
[00:26:30] reason that he has the plurality of
[00:26:33] support from Democratic primary voters
[00:26:36] who are not black.
[00:26:39] His support among black voters, they're
[00:26:41] more in the why are you gay camp?
[00:26:44] [laughter]
[00:26:44] They're not impressed at all. In fact,
[00:26:46] I'm trying to do the math here. I think
[00:26:47] his support people judge's current
[00:26:49] support among African-American
[00:26:52] Democratic primary voters is let's see
[00:26:54] around zero. So 0% in that range meaning
[00:26:58] nobody like no black people. They're not
[00:27:00] going for it. Why are you gay? You can
[00:27:02] almost hear them saying that.
[00:27:05] But among white liberals, Pete Buddha
[00:27:08] Judge's gayness, the fact he's married
[00:27:10] to a dude called Chason and has somehow
[00:27:14] acquired
[00:27:15] babies somehow. How do you get babies?
[00:27:19] Just sort of buy them somewhere,
[00:27:21] whatever. He has these babies
[00:27:24] and
[00:27:26] he is the model of whatever a modern gay
[00:27:30] man. That's the whole point.
[00:27:33] He is a civil rights hero because of who
[00:27:38] he sleeps with.
[00:27:40] Pretty amazing. So, two two obvious
[00:27:42] points to make about that. First, do you
[00:27:46] remember when they used to tell us, "We
[00:27:47] don't care what happens in your
[00:27:48] bedroom." Do you remember that? We want
[00:27:50] to keep politics out of the bedroom. We
[00:27:52] want to keep politicians out of your
[00:27:54] bedroom. This was a way to justify the
[00:27:56] Holocaust of abortion, of course. But
[00:27:58] the line sounded kind of appealing.
[00:28:00] Yeah, politicians probably stay out of
[00:28:01] my bedroom. That seems fair. Now your
[00:28:03] bedroom is the whole point. You got
[00:28:06] politicians running on what they do in
[00:28:10] their bedroom. And on the Democratic
[00:28:12] side succeeding,
[00:28:14] that leads very obviously to the second
[00:28:16] point, which is there are a lot of
[00:28:18] rewards in store for someone in the
[00:28:21] Democratic party, an ambitious
[00:28:22] politician, someone who really only
[00:28:24] cares about the goal, which in Pete
[00:28:25] Buddha Judge's case has always been
[00:28:27] becoming president.
[00:28:29] Is it bad to come out of the closet and
[00:28:33] announce that you're gay? No. No. No.
[00:28:36] That's like the only way you're going to
[00:28:38] get to the White House. That's the only
[00:28:39] way. That's your ticket. Being quote
[00:28:41] gay.
[00:28:43] Huh?
[00:28:45] So, given that that's obviously true,
[00:28:48] and given that this guy dated girls as
[00:28:51] an adult,
[00:28:53] it's totally fair to ask the question,
[00:28:56] why are you gay? Like what is this?
[00:29:00] Starting to think that maybe it's not
[00:29:02] genetic or entirely genetic. And if it
[00:29:05] is, show me the gene. We've decoded the
[00:29:07] human genome.
[00:29:09] We can tell you where the gene for eye
[00:29:11] color comes from. Where's the gay gene?
[00:29:14] Maybe there is a gay gene. By the way,
[00:29:16] lots of things we haven't decoded yet.
[00:29:18] Maybe it's there.
[00:29:20] Are you looking for it? Are you trying
[00:29:22] to answer this question?
[00:29:25] No.
[00:29:26] The whole game is to make you be quiet,
[00:29:29] ashamed because it has something to do
[00:29:30] with sex. And what are you a creep
[00:29:31] focused on sex? You're obsessed with gay
[00:29:34] sex. Sort of a variety. You're obsessed
[00:29:36] with Israel. No, actually not. But
[00:29:39] you're way up in my face about it.
[00:29:43] And so I think it's fair to ask you a
[00:29:45] couple of very simple, straightforward
[00:29:47] questions, foundational questions like,
[00:29:48] "What is this? Where does it come from?
[00:29:50] Why is it good? Why is being gay better
[00:29:53] than not being gay?
[00:29:55] And if it's not 100% genetic,
[00:29:58] clearly isn't. If you've had a 300%
[00:30:01] increase in 10 years, probably not
[00:30:02] genetic,
[00:30:04] unless our genetics are changing at
[00:30:06] lightning speed, unless evolution is a
[00:30:09] much faster process than Derwin ever
[00:30:11] reckoned.
[00:30:13] If it's not entirely genetic, then what
[00:30:14] are the other factors?
[00:30:16] And since apart from moral concerns or
[00:30:19] the concerns of human happiness, does
[00:30:21] this actually make you happy? And what
[00:30:24] does it mean to live as a gay person in
[00:30:26] the United States? What exactly does
[00:30:28] that look like? Like what's your life
[00:30:30] like? How many people do you have sex
[00:30:32] with? How are those unfair questions?
[00:30:34] Since you're the one throwing it in my
[00:30:36] face and telling me I'm not allowed to
[00:30:38] be against it, maybe I'm allowed to ask
[00:30:40] the questions I don't really want to
[00:30:42] ask, don't really want to know the
[00:30:43] answers to. But since you've made it the
[00:30:46] northstar of our moral system in the
[00:30:48] United States, since you're willing to
[00:30:49] starve an African country because they
[00:30:51] disagree with it, maybe it's time for me
[00:30:53] to ask those questions because you push
[00:30:55] me to on this and a lot of other issues.
[00:30:58] If you just back off a little bit, if we
[00:31:01] could just return to the status quo of
[00:31:03] say 1985 where yeah, they're gay people,
[00:31:06] they're great, they're off, you know,
[00:31:07] whatever. They're here, they're there,
[00:31:09] whatever, but they're not pushing gay
[00:31:12] sex on my kids in school. That's clearly
[00:31:15] not a good idea. Tell me why it is a
[00:31:17] good idea. And of course, it's a crime
[00:31:19] to intentionally infect someone with an
[00:31:21] infectious disease. And of course, it's
[00:31:23] in fact the hallmark of civilization
[00:31:28] to make rape illegal, gay or straight.
[00:31:31] What?
[00:31:33] But since you blew up all those previous
[00:31:36] assumptions and now made them illegal,
[00:31:40] Uganda, you know, made this crime
[00:31:41] punishable by death, you made their law
[00:31:44] punishable by famine. So, who's more
[00:31:46] serious about it? You are.
[00:31:49] Since you did all of that, how about we
[00:31:52] just slowly in a non-hysteryical,
[00:31:54] obviously non-hateful way
[00:31:57] ask what are we looking at? Why are you
[00:32:00] gay? Why is that a good thing? What is
[00:32:02] it exactly?
[00:32:04] And there are a lot of people we could
[00:32:05] ask about this, but we thought, believe
[00:32:08] it or not, the most articulate person we
[00:32:10] know to answer these questions is Milo
[00:32:12] Yiannopoulos, who was very famous 10
[00:32:15] years ago as a what was he called?
[00:32:17] Conservative provocator.
[00:32:19] running around the country making the
[00:32:21] case against liberals as an open, in
[00:32:23] fact, flamboyant gay man. And that was
[00:32:25] part of the shtick, right? It's like,
[00:32:27] we've got a gay guy, too. What are you
[00:32:28] going to say now?
[00:32:30] You know, we've got black conservatives,
[00:32:32] too. You can't call us racist. We've got
[00:32:33] a gay conservative. You can't call us
[00:32:35] homophobes.
[00:32:37] And so, Milo was unleashed on the world.
[00:32:39] And then in literally one day he was
[00:32:42] cancelled really destroyed as a person
[00:32:45] um in a sort of nonscandal that
[00:32:50] uh like so many of that period and of
[00:32:51] this period sort of took him right off
[00:32:53] the stage. You never heard from him
[00:32:54] again. But during the period when he was
[00:32:56] flitting around America on his dangerous
[00:32:58] [ __ ] tour spreading uh whatever it was
[00:33:00] libertarian economics or something uh to
[00:33:02] the kids, it became obvious that this
[00:33:05] guy was actually really smart. [snorts]
[00:33:08] you know, even for those of us who were
[00:33:10] never that interested in the dangerous
[00:33:11] [ __ ] part of it. Um, if you listen,
[00:33:13] you thought, "Wow, this guy's not dumb
[00:33:15] at all. He's actually very thoughtful.
[00:33:17] Um, very thoughtful, high IQ, high IQ
[00:33:20] guy who thinks about things." Uh, so
[00:33:22] over the last couple of years during
[00:33:24] text conversations, um, I became aware
[00:33:27] that Milo had decided that he didn't
[00:33:30] want to be gay anymore. And I thought
[00:33:32] that's kind of interesting. I didn't
[00:33:33] know you could decide you didn't want to
[00:33:34] be gay. And then you read about it and
[00:33:36] it turns out there's a whole industry
[00:33:38] movement and laws designed to prevent
[00:33:41] you from deciding not to be gay. Huh?
[00:33:44] Parts of the United States have banned
[00:33:46] conversion therapies. You're not allowed
[00:33:47] to talk to a psychiatrist about not
[00:33:49] having samesex attraction. Wow. What is
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[00:35:22] conversation with Milo Yiannopoulos and
[00:35:24] just ask him sincere questions like,
[00:35:26] "What is this? Why did you decide to
[00:35:28] change? What's it like changing? what
[00:35:30] does it mean to be gay in the United
[00:35:32] States specifically?
[00:35:34] And so that conversation follows and we
[00:35:37] hope you enjoy it. You're really nice to
[00:35:40] do this. I'm glad you came. I want to
[00:35:42] begin with
[00:35:42] >> the only person that have me on. I'm
[00:35:43] joking. I'M JOKING. [laughter]
[00:35:44] >> NO, I'M ACTUALLY REALLY INTERESTED. I'm
[00:35:46] interested in this topic. I've never
[00:35:48] been interested in it. But but I want to
[00:35:50] begin by asking you, isn't it? It's
[00:35:52] icky. Well, sort of in personal, but you
[00:35:54] know, it's occurred to me, particularly
[00:35:56] when I have interviewed Republican
[00:35:58] politicians, particularly neocons over
[00:35:59] the years. I
[00:36:00] >> sexuality comes out comes to my mind.
[00:36:02] >> I've always wanted to say in a Ugandan
[00:36:04] accent,
[00:36:04] >> are you gay? Why are you gay?
[00:36:06] >> So, let me let me ask, are you gay? Were
[00:36:09] you gay? Like, what is gay? Nobody's
[00:36:11] gay. Nobody's gay. Um, after that clip,
[00:36:14] which is the best thing on the internet,
[00:36:15] uh, he changes the question, the
[00:36:18] interrogative to a declarative, uh, he
[00:36:20] says, "Why are you gay?" And she start
[00:36:22] you know it starts talking. He says you
[00:36:24] are gay. [laughter] It becomes it
[00:36:27] becomes a statement. And this is where
[00:36:28] he goes uh this is where he loses me
[00:36:31] because um nobody is gay.
[00:36:36] Um we've been encouraged to think of
[00:36:39] this. It's an icky subject like straight
[00:36:40] men don't want to think about.
[00:36:41] >> No no it's okay. I mean it's it's
[00:36:43] reached
[00:36:43] >> you invited me. Um well I invited you
[00:36:45] because I have not you know not wanted
[00:36:49] to be engaged with the topic at all. I
[00:36:51] don't have strong super strong personal
[00:36:54] feelings about it but all of a sudden
[00:36:57] >> it has become like a defining fact of
[00:36:59] the west that we have a huge gay
[00:37:01] population like sodomy but no one wants
[00:37:04] to talk about
[00:37:04] >> giving aid um with with you know the
[00:37:07] with with strings attached. So I what
[00:37:09] metaphor am I reaching for strings
[00:37:10] attached? Um uh yes you can but only if
[00:37:14] you have a gay pride festival,
[00:37:15] >> right?
[00:37:16] >> Um what is that? Uh
[00:37:18] >> exactly. What is that?
[00:37:19] >> Yes, it has been. And all of these
[00:37:20] things um and with the with with the
[00:37:22] with the collapse in people uh uh
[00:37:25] identifying as trans, you're beginning
[00:37:26] to now see what some of us have always
[00:37:28] known about homosexuality, which is that
[00:37:31] this is a product. I mean, there are
[00:37:34] some people obviously who were probably
[00:37:36] always going to be gay. Tammy Bruce. Um,
[00:37:38] but you know, like maybe she might be
[00:37:40] the only real lesbian. She might be the
[00:37:42] only real lesbian. I believe when Tammy
[00:37:43] Bruce tells me that she was only ever
[00:37:45] into women. I believe her. Uh, you know,
[00:37:47] and and and I like her, by the way. I
[00:37:49] think she's great. But, uh, but she's
[00:37:50] like the only real lesbian
[00:37:53] >> with gay men, which is completely
[00:37:54] different. Um, we see the we see the
[00:37:56] numbers go up, the numbers go down. This
[00:37:58] is not without some change in
[00:38:00] environmental factors. This doesn't make
[00:38:02] sense. If we believe the old lie, born
[00:38:04] this way. if we believe uh what was in
[00:38:07] fact invented in the 1980s as a public
[00:38:09] relations strategy born this way. So
[00:38:11] what happened uh back in the days um uh
[00:38:15] gays were in the 80s and with AIDS and
[00:38:17] all the rest of it wanting to to um to
[00:38:19] to be out and proud and and and to to
[00:38:22] wear their sins on their sleeves and
[00:38:24] somebody came up with this this uh idea
[00:38:28] um which which caught on and worked um
[00:38:31] and it was twofold. One is, well, what
[00:38:33] if we say that being gay is like being
[00:38:35] black or being a woman?
[00:38:37] >> Yes. Uh, then they're a bigot. We're not
[00:38:40] weird. And so it takes the the religious
[00:38:42] um the moral majority's sinful lifestyle
[00:38:45] choice argument and it scrows them
[00:38:49] because now they're saying like you're
[00:38:50] wrong to be a girl or you're wrong to be
[00:38:52] black. Exactly. It was invented it was
[00:38:54] invented wholesale by the activists in
[00:38:55] the 1980s. And the second part of it was
[00:38:59] um and this is in a book called After
[00:39:00] the Ball, which is kind of defined how
[00:39:02] gay activists were going to um uh well
[00:39:06] it really it was very influential
[00:39:08] because it it it was really the book
[00:39:09] that told gay activists how to get this
[00:39:12] revoling sin that most people don't even
[00:39:15] want to think about up front and center,
[00:39:17] familyfriendly, and ultimately to um the
[00:39:20] state where we let them adopt children.
[00:39:23] Um which is a whole thing we'll get
[00:39:25] into. And that was don't talk about
[00:39:27] bodily functions. Don't talk about
[00:39:29] eluvia. Just talk about love. Just talk
[00:39:33] about love. Talk about it in terms of
[00:39:34] love. Like love is love. Love wins. Um
[00:39:37] and we see this to the present day.
[00:39:38] Never talk about, you know, the stains
[00:39:40] on the sheets, the promiscuity, the
[00:39:42] drugs, the um the glory holes in Berlin
[00:39:45] nightclubs. Never talk about any of
[00:39:46] those things because those things will
[00:39:48] repel women. And you need moms with gay
[00:39:52] sons to affirm their homosexuality. And
[00:39:55] and so what is that homosexuality? Long
[00:39:57] answer for a short question. I
[00:39:58] understand. Um uh
[00:40:01] in almost every case and in certainly in
[00:40:04] every male case, it is a trauma
[00:40:06] response. It is not a sexuality. It is
[00:40:08] not part of what you are or who you are
[00:40:10] or or a component of your personality or
[00:40:13] a function of. It is it is a set of
[00:40:16] behaviors that is uh um uh that emerges
[00:40:19] in people with a number of very easily
[00:40:23] identifiable common um uh ideologies.
[00:40:26] One of them is um well so so so for
[00:40:29] instance um among gay excuse me among
[00:40:32] black and Jewish uh Americans they
[00:40:35] report uh statistically significantly
[00:40:37] higher rates of homosexuality. Why could
[00:40:39] that be overbearing moms and absent dads
[00:40:42] or in the Jewish case nebish fathers and
[00:40:44] you know uh you know like Jewish my my
[00:40:48] Jewish friends I always call their their
[00:40:49] their marriages are like lion taming you
[00:40:51] know uh where you have a sort of um
[00:40:53] nebish scholarly bookish dad and a
[00:40:55] larger than life mom who you know wants
[00:40:57] one day decides she's going to be a
[00:40:58] rabbi
[00:41:00] you know um that or in the black
[00:41:03] community of course is the
[00:41:04] fatherlessness and it's a why why if
[00:41:06] you're born this way if you don't have
[00:41:07] some other better explanation. Could it
[00:41:09] be the case that there are more gays
[00:41:11] among black and Jewish populations?
[00:41:13] Well, something's going on here. Why are
[00:41:16] we getting more trans and more gays and
[00:41:18] then less gays and less? Why? Because
[00:41:19] this is in fact a symptom. In fact, this
[00:41:22] is a product of something. It's the
[00:41:24] result of something. Well, this was
[00:41:26] Freud's position which was kind of
[00:41:29] conventional wisdom for the better part
[00:41:32] of a hundred years that this was a
[00:41:36] response to the environment and
[00:41:38] particularly to the relationship with
[00:41:39] the mother that a young boy has and a
[00:41:41] relationship with his father. I mean,
[00:41:42] but this was this was like people just
[00:41:46] assumed that was true when I was a kid.
[00:41:47] They were not gay haters or homophobes.
[00:41:49] That just that was a state of knowledge
[00:41:51] on the subject. One of the one of the
[00:41:53] only things Freud got right was that.
[00:41:55] Um, and it's funny that, you know, the
[00:41:57] way that that's actually in line with
[00:41:58] the Catholic Church teaching and now has
[00:42:00] become uh now you see the uh the
[00:42:03] terminology in the medical industry has
[00:42:05] begun to change as well because um you
[00:42:07] know they they uh now gay people are
[00:42:10] sort of saturated everywhere. You you
[00:42:12] know like when you get a it's kind of
[00:42:13] like America, you get a whole country
[00:42:14] full of people who are very similar but
[00:42:16] will think they're really really
[00:42:16] individual. [laughter]
[00:42:20] >> That's deep. Yes. Yes, I do know what
[00:42:22] that looks like.
[00:42:22] >> And and and and you know, sort of
[00:42:24] America is a very faggotized country in
[00:42:26] all kinds of ways. That's the technical
[00:42:27] term. Um
[00:42:29] you have to if you want to know the
[00:42:30] truth about homosexuality, you've got to
[00:42:32] go to black YouTube uh and listen to the
[00:42:35] girls.
[00:42:36] >> How do you get to black YouTube, by the
[00:42:37] way?
[00:42:38] >> Um well, you know, it's a sort of
[00:42:40] tumbling. It's a tumbling kind of thing.
[00:42:42] You find one good video by somebody
[00:42:44] who's like Steph Carrick, you fetached.
[00:42:48] [laughter] They just Sorry. [gasps] Um,
[00:42:50] and then uh
[00:42:52] [laughter]
[00:42:53] and then you know you'll tumble through
[00:42:54] the algorithm. I'll send you some links.
[00:42:55] I'll post some links on my Twitter and
[00:42:57] >> I don't know if I dare, but that but
[00:42:58] you're saying that's the more honest
[00:42:59] YouTube.
[00:43:00] >> It's the only honest YouTube. It's the
[00:43:01] only honest anything. Um because uh you
[00:43:04] go past the churches and you'll see, you
[00:43:06] know, the white homo demons stealing
[00:43:08] your man. [laughter]
[00:43:11] And it's not the pastor who comes up
[00:43:13] with this stuff. It's his wife. it's his
[00:43:15] wife uh who's got this, you know, who
[00:43:17] who was trying to set her girlfriend up
[00:43:19] with somebody and that was all great. Um
[00:43:21] but but uh but he went he went off with
[00:43:23] a dude which is you know like even which
[00:43:26] is sort of uh equi um uh distant for
[00:43:30] them from going off with a white girl or
[00:43:31] whatever. But uh no the only honest
[00:43:34] place where you people will just be like
[00:43:38] did it fagotize you know and then
[00:43:39] they'll go and then
[00:43:42] amazing
[00:43:43] >> LeBron fagotize and they'll go they'll
[00:43:45] go through it all. I mean the for me the
[00:43:48] nippless Ultra of this genre would be um
[00:43:52] Black China's mom. Do you know who that
[00:43:53] is? Of course you don't. You remind me
[00:43:56] of a line from Black Adder sometimes,
[00:43:57] you know, because you you have this sort
[00:43:59] of like lovely kind of like onenu kind
[00:44:00] of thing that you do. Um uh and it's
[00:44:02] like, well, no, I've just I don't know
[00:44:04] anything. Um but do you remember that
[00:44:05] line from Black Adder? Like slumbering
[00:44:07] ultragenarians who claim never to have
[00:44:08] heard of the Beatles.
[00:44:10] >> No, [laughter] but I get it.
[00:44:11] >> He's talking about high court judges.
[00:44:12] >> I've never actually heard of Black Adder
[00:44:14] before. So I
[00:44:15] >> You're kidding.
[00:44:17] >> I'm actually not.
[00:44:18] >> What? [laughter] I don't even know what
[00:44:20] you're talking about.
[00:44:22] >> But that's okay. It's not about me. I'm
[00:44:23] just trying to Fry and Rowan Atkinson
[00:44:26] got famous. You're not black.
[00:44:28] >> I don't know. There are huge gaps. I'm
[00:44:30] not I'm not a knowledge.
[00:44:32] >> Baby Jesus and the Orphans. Well, you
[00:44:33] say this. Yes. But anyway, look. So, so,
[00:44:35] so Tokyo Tony is her name. And she's
[00:44:39] Anyway, you can Google Tokyo Tony.
[00:44:41] That's your end to black everything. Um,
[00:44:43] anyway, she's great. There's a whole I
[00:44:45] mean YouTube now. The only interesting
[00:44:46] bits of YouTube that still get views are
[00:44:47] like the these black shows. like o these
[00:44:50] massively overproduced shows with these
[00:44:52] incredibly elaborate sets and they've
[00:44:53] got like, you know, 43 people live
[00:44:55] watching, but the archives and the clips
[00:44:57] like go crazy. Anyway, [laughter]
[00:45:01] >> man, I've got I've got a a series of
[00:45:03] delights ahead of me.
[00:45:04] >> Well, you don't have many black people
[00:45:05] in the show, so you've got me instead.
[00:45:07] Um, so [laughter]
[00:45:09] >> I'll be I'll be your uh I'll be your
[00:45:10] African-American contingent. I'll
[00:45:12] introduce you to these things. So, um
[00:45:14] No, I I I'm kidding. Uh uh so so um
[00:45:17] >> so this is you're describing a world
[00:45:18] into which a lot of conventional
[00:45:20] propaganda has not yet filtered or
[00:45:22] they're resistant to it or something.
[00:45:23] >> It's interesting because why are you
[00:45:25] gay? Are you gay? um the the um the
[00:45:28] origin of um
[00:45:32] of of of the of the born this way I've
[00:45:33] just I've just described I've just
[00:45:34] explained the um the reality is that um
[00:45:38] these communities who experience this
[00:45:40] problem a lot right the black community
[00:45:43] particularly because of fatherlessness a
[00:45:44] lot of gay black kids there's just a lot
[00:45:46] of them um have this very blunt and
[00:45:50] truthful I I mean look
[00:45:53] looking at me now it's impossible to
[00:45:55] imagine that I used to be a homosexual.
[00:45:58] Um, but it hadn't entered my mind.
[00:46:00] >> No, but but but I knew you during your
[00:46:02] flaming stage, so I I had heard.
[00:46:05] >> Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. But but but there
[00:46:07] are so many like
[00:46:10] flaming young black men in America today
[00:46:13] especially. Um, and this is a problem
[00:46:15] this community is dealing with. And they
[00:46:16] don't, you know, uh, black America is
[00:46:18] like commendably impervious to a lot of
[00:46:20] the, uh, the woke PC language stuff, you
[00:46:23] know, like very creditably skeptical of
[00:46:26] vaccines. Um, they won't go along with a
[00:46:28] lot of this stuff. Like, you know, uh,
[00:46:29] uh, the proposition whatever in
[00:46:30] California, gay marriage, why it's black
[00:46:32] women who are like holding on the floor.
[00:46:34] So, I love Candace Owen so much. You
[00:46:35] like the ungovernability of black women
[00:46:37] is the only thing that might possibly
[00:46:38] save America. U, you know, as embodied
[00:46:40] in our friend, uh, Candace, who is just
[00:46:42] like, you know, she's ungovernable in
[00:46:44] the best possible way. She's not going
[00:46:45] along with it.
[00:46:45] >> She She is to put it mildly. Yeah. Fair.
[00:46:49] She is not going along with it. And
[00:46:51] Candice is a very beautiful, polished,
[00:46:53] you know, intelligent uh uh and uh sort
[00:46:57] of microcosm
[00:47:00] of a trend that you see everywhere in
[00:47:02] black America now, which is like ain't
[00:47:04] doing that. Ain't doing that. Definitely
[00:47:06] ain't doing that. [laughter]
[00:47:07] >> Wow.
[00:47:08] >> And and and it's very interesting. So So
[00:47:11] >> um they will be very resistant to this
[00:47:13] stuff. they kind of intuit it what white
[00:47:15] people I think have forgotten because
[00:47:17] you know we're just all so like bomb so
[00:47:18] weak and demoralized and like kind of
[00:47:21] overburdened with this nonsense. The
[00:47:23] truth is that
[00:47:26] homosexuality and in particular
[00:47:28] conversion therapy is the first thing
[00:47:31] upon which the liberals tried what they
[00:47:33] later did to Trump which is just this
[00:47:35] this wall of uh uh fake news
[00:47:38] misinformation propaganda. It's the
[00:47:41] first time. I mean, this there there's
[00:47:42] other examples around wars and things
[00:47:44] like that, but when it comes to social
[00:47:45] issues, it's the first time I think the
[00:47:47] press just says, "Oh, hell no." Except
[00:47:50] they didn't do that cuz they're white,
[00:47:51] but uh you know, they move. [laughter]
[00:47:53] Sometimes I lose the characters get
[00:47:54] confused.
[00:47:56] Going to put Rwanda away. Um no, I you
[00:47:58] know, the the the the um
[00:48:01] the first time that the media decides
[00:48:03] this is a social issue we care about
[00:48:05] enough because we're going to lose our
[00:48:06] gay friends. um uh that we're going to
[00:48:09] just lie and demonize and and and give
[00:48:12] the full fake news treatment that we
[00:48:14] later saw in its most sophisticated form
[00:48:16] leveraged, praise God, unsuccessfully
[00:48:19] against Trump again and again and again,
[00:48:21] right? Um so, so they start off with
[00:48:24] this with this, you know, you were born
[00:48:25] this way, honey, you are born this way,
[00:48:27] honey, you are beautiful, whatever you
[00:48:28] are. No, you're like that because you
[00:48:30] got raped by a priest. Or you're like
[00:48:31] that because your mom was overbearing
[00:48:33] and your dad wasn't around. or you're
[00:48:35] like that because you failed to form um
[00:48:38] uh uh platonic stable attachments to
[00:48:42] other men as a child for some reason.
[00:48:44] Maybe you didn't have a good male male
[00:48:45] role model or whatever, but there are is
[00:48:46] a relatively small number of
[00:48:48] identifiable and repeated ideologies
[00:48:51] that mark somebody out as being, you
[00:48:53] know, vulnerable to this. And you look
[00:48:56] into the histories of gay people,
[00:48:57] they'll all deny saying, "No, it's just
[00:48:59] me." Uh but it's not. And they know,
[00:49:01] they know because I knew and they know
[00:49:03] and I talked to them privately when
[00:49:04] there's no cameras there. I could
[00:49:06] squeeze it out of them eventually that
[00:49:07] you get there. Um, yes, there's
[00:49:09] something about their sexual activity
[00:49:10] they know isn't right. And it's not just
[00:49:13] the tech in the technical sense that the
[00:49:15] that the sex is sterile and therefore
[00:49:17] can never be part of um uh uh the holy
[00:49:20] sacrament of marriage because it can't
[00:49:22] be co-procreation with God. Right. Yes.
[00:49:24] um co-procreation with God meaning um
[00:49:26] you know you you make a physical body
[00:49:28] with your wife but then God puts a soul
[00:49:30] in
[00:49:31] >> right
[00:49:31] >> and that's why it's the the most
[00:49:33] precious sacrament because you know you
[00:49:34] do the others you do your confirmation
[00:49:36] the rest of it but it's leading up to
[00:49:37] you getting to make something with God
[00:49:40] right which is the real reason that
[00:49:42] Lucifer is so mad and that because the
[00:49:44] angels can't do that right uh the angels
[00:49:46] don't get to participate in creation
[00:49:48] with our Lord but every single human
[00:49:50] being does you know um and feel that too
[00:49:54] when you have kids. You even if you
[00:49:55] don't know what it is, you feel there's
[00:49:57] something supernatural going on here.
[00:49:58] This is going to sound completely
[00:49:59] pathetic, but I I like I I have some
[00:50:01] kind of
[00:50:03] some kind of pathetic simulum of it. Now
[00:50:05] I've become a cat dad. Uh just in the
[00:50:07] terms of like caring for something
[00:50:09] helpless.
[00:50:10] >> Yes. Um, and it's bringing out of me
[00:50:12] something that I know is going to lead
[00:50:13] to fatherhood because I'm responsible
[00:50:16] for this being that loves and laughs and
[00:50:20] they do uh, you know, and and uh, you
[00:50:22] know, and requires regular not just
[00:50:25] maintenance but affection and to be
[00:50:27] tended to and love. Like I love dogs.
[00:50:28] I'm like I used to be more of a dog guy,
[00:50:31] but I live in a I live in a um, a house
[00:50:33] on the National Register of Historic
[00:50:35] Places, so I can't have dogs. Um, and
[00:50:37] uh, so I I just I got a cat one day, you
[00:50:39] know, just cuz just because somebody
[00:50:41] found it in an engine. I was like, I'm
[00:50:43] so alone. So [laughter]
[00:50:45] I said, "Sure, give me give me give me
[00:50:47] give me a give me a damn kitten." And at
[00:50:49] that point, I wasn't sure I was going to
[00:50:50] drown it, wear it, or or or or nurture
[00:50:52] it. Um, but but I was just like, "Oh,
[00:50:55] okay." And being responsible for shaping
[00:50:59] the personality, which anybody who has
[00:51:01] animals, who loves animals knows that is
[00:51:03] is 100% real. um responsible shaping the
[00:51:06] personality, nurturing that that being
[00:51:08] into either being a parent itself or
[00:51:10] just into being a companion or or to
[00:51:12] being the best that it can be, right? Um
[00:51:15] it it's it's bringing something out in
[00:51:17] me, you know, um that wasn't present
[00:51:21] when I was having a lot of what most
[00:51:24] people would regard as well what
[00:51:26] homosexuals would regard as very
[00:51:27] desirable kind of sex, you know, with a
[00:51:29] with a particular kind of person or
[00:51:30] whatever. Um, so this you you get to the
[00:51:34] base of it and and you get to the heart
[00:51:37] of it. If you're sort of one-on-one with
[00:51:38] a gay, they will they won't just talk
[00:51:40] about the emptiness of their life or the
[00:51:41] fact that the sex is sterile or
[00:51:42] whatever. They will know that there's
[00:51:44] something not quite right. And so
[00:51:46] >> and that its origin is there at
[00:51:48] something that was not quite right.
[00:51:50] >> Have you ever been addicted to anything?
[00:51:51] >> Oh yeah.
[00:51:52] >> Okay.
[00:51:52] >> Big time.
[00:51:54] >> So you know there's that moment when
[00:51:55] your mind is flooded and it's all you
[00:51:58] can think about.
[00:51:59] >> Yes. And it's all that you can
[00:52:02] you you got to get it out because if you
[00:52:04] don't do a line or have a a smoke or or
[00:52:07] do something, if you don't if you don't
[00:52:10] get it out, it's just going to be all
[00:52:12] you can think about for the rest of the
[00:52:13] day. It's just driving you crazy cuz it
[00:52:14] floods your mind.
[00:52:15] >> Yeah.
[00:52:17] >> I've been addicted to one or two little
[00:52:19] things, you know. Um
[00:52:22] and I realized my sex works the same
[00:52:24] way.
[00:52:25] >> Yeah, I believe that. realized that when
[00:52:27] I was on a plane,
[00:52:30] I'm sitting down. Hey, team 1A. I'm
[00:52:32] sitting on the plane. I'm like, "Yeah,
[00:52:34] I'll have a genic girl." And then, you
[00:52:36] know, like a basketball player, well,
[00:52:37] not basketball player, little gay nerds,
[00:52:38] but you like a football player would sit
[00:52:39] next to me. Uh like it would take hold
[00:52:41] of me. There were times I had to like go
[00:52:44] to the bathroom and like, you know,
[00:52:45] >> Yeah.
[00:52:46] >> because I cuz I had to get rid of it
[00:52:48] because it was it was taking hold of my
[00:52:51] mind.
[00:52:52] >> It sounds like a demon.
[00:52:53] >> Yeah. Because it's what it is. I joke I
[00:52:55] say Golgaroth the seaman demon you know
[00:52:57] he he comes out the way he doesn't
[00:52:59] doesn't visit me very often anymore you
[00:53:01] know but it's like
[00:53:02] >> it's totally real I mean that stuff is
[00:53:03] all it's all real
[00:53:05] >> but it but but it I I realized that so I
[00:53:08] don't do cocaine anymore but I you know
[00:53:10] it'll shock people to learn I used to be
[00:53:12] a bit of a cocad uh you know when I was
[00:53:15] you know that rush of dopamine y
[00:53:17] >> the rituals associated with it as well
[00:53:19] you know I was like oh my god that's
[00:53:22] that's how I feel about sex and that's
[00:53:24] that can't be right. It can't be right.
[00:53:27] No, it's a it's literally a I'm not
[00:53:30] talking about gay sex, but any that is
[00:53:31] literally a perversion.
[00:53:33] >> Yes.
[00:53:33] >> And it is a demon and it's also other
[00:53:36] things too because these things go hand
[00:53:38] in hand, you know. Um
[00:53:39] >> may I ask how in your own if it's not
[00:53:41] too personal, how did you wind up?
[00:53:43] >> We're there now, aren't we?
[00:53:44] >> Okay, I think we are.
[00:53:45] >> Um but I just told you I wanked on
[00:53:48] U81722. [laughter]
[00:53:51] Crack one out in the bathroom. People
[00:53:53] are never going to sit next to me on
[00:53:54] planes again. I think we're good.
[00:53:55] >> Anyone who's ever been Well, I drink
[00:53:56] alcohol in the morning. I mean, you
[00:53:58] know, anyone who's ever been possessed,
[00:54:00] that doesn't count.
[00:54:02] GIVE ME A REAL ONE.
[00:54:02] >> Anyone who's ever been possessed by an
[00:54:05] obsession knows that it can totally
[00:54:06] destroy your behavior. But,
[00:54:08] >> um,
[00:54:10] we spend so much time talking in our
[00:54:13] society about, you know, gay and it's
[00:54:15] all good. Of course, you know, gay is
[00:54:16] good and gay rights are good. In fact,
[00:54:18] they're the marker of human rights.
[00:54:19] They're the only human right really. Um,
[00:54:21] [laughter] but
[00:54:23] >> this is the only human right people
[00:54:24] still care about. Oh, your your right to
[00:54:26] be sodomized. Your right to wake up in
[00:54:28] the morning like and you're like, "Oh,
[00:54:30] okay. You're you're ready to go, are
[00:54:31] you?" And hear that voice in your mind.
[00:54:33] And it's not a sultry voice. It's not a
[00:54:34] sexy voice. It's go and get it. It's,
[00:54:37] you know, it's like it's it's it's
[00:54:38] Gorgoth. Anyway, sorry I'm interrupting
[00:54:40] you, but but it is that's dark. I've
[00:54:42] thankfully never It's one of the few
[00:54:44] problems I don't have. But I
[00:54:46] >> I get it. Um, that's why grind are so
[00:54:48] dangerous, you It's just like within 20
[00:54:50] minutes they can be in the living room.
[00:54:52] >> You know,
[00:54:52] >> I want to ask you about that, but first
[00:54:54] let me ask about your own life cuz you
[00:54:56] never get to ask, you know, everyone's
[00:54:57] telling you how proud they are to be
[00:54:58] gay. And that's great
[00:55:00] >> and all that, but
[00:55:01] >> it's a sin, by the way. Pride is a sin.
[00:55:03] >> Well, I agree with that. But um
[00:55:06] you never get to ask like what how did
[00:55:08] this how did you start being gay? Like
[00:55:11] specifically described with you know
[00:55:14] >> the way I remember PG way, right?
[00:55:17] >> If you insist. No, the way I reme we've
[00:55:19] done enough. I know. The way I remember
[00:55:21] it is I just did it to piss off my
[00:55:23] mother, but that's not true. Um I think
[00:55:25] that's that's self- mythologization, you
[00:55:27] know, like I I I did take a lot of drug
[00:55:28] dealers home when I was it was
[00:55:30] >> Were you close to your mom?
[00:55:32] >> When I was in high school, she married
[00:55:34] uh so so so I'll answer your question.
[00:55:36] I'll I'll skip back first. Let me let me
[00:55:37] do that first. So my dad was in
[00:55:39] organized crime. Um funny, charismatic,
[00:55:44] brilliant.
[00:55:46] Uh there are things about like maybe
[00:55:49] Alex Jones that remind me of him a
[00:55:51] little bit just in that kind of like um
[00:55:53] just in manner, you know. Um like a bit
[00:55:55] of a bruiser but with the heart, you
[00:55:56] know, like like you know like um you
[00:55:58] know like he's a bad guy with a heart of
[00:56:00] gold.
[00:56:00] >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah.
[00:56:01] >> I've known a few.
[00:56:02] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, like I I
[00:56:04] cleave to that kind of personality. Uh
[00:56:06] it reminds me a little bit of the good
[00:56:07] bits of my dad, right? But there was
[00:56:08] another section which Alex does not have
[00:56:10] which which which was that you know he
[00:56:13] was a bad guy and I saw him do really
[00:56:14] bad things to people. I would come down
[00:56:16] I told this story before but I would
[00:56:18] come down sometimes the kitchen door
[00:56:19] would be closed and I would hear you
[00:56:21] know Nikki Nikki uh I'm giving up a life
[00:56:23] of crime. Uh I'm turning over a new
[00:56:25] leaf. I'm not going to do anything
[00:56:26] that's going to give me any more than 18
[00:56:27] months.
[00:56:29] You know it's funny but
[00:56:30] >> it's all about goals. Milo. [laughter]
[00:56:33] >> Yeah. But he was a bad guy and I saw him
[00:56:36] do things that really frightened me.
[00:56:38] And um you know he was in pubs and
[00:56:41] nightclubs in in a uh you know running
[00:56:44] running the clubs and the security and
[00:56:46] sort of like you know he's gone now so I
[00:56:49] can say it laundering millions you know.
[00:56:51] [laughter]
[00:56:51] >> Yeah. Blah blah. Um uh between those two
[00:56:54] you know like the security these
[00:56:55] security guards are on $120 an hour.
[00:56:57] Huh. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Officer.
[00:57:01] Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Aren't you tell them
[00:57:02] tell them what you're on? He's like 110
[00:57:04] 120 120. [laughter]
[00:57:06] Yeah. Um, so he used to let me sit in
[00:57:08] the in the booth and like do the stamps
[00:57:11] and I would watch people go in and I'd
[00:57:13] watch the behaviors of like low
[00:57:15] socioeconomic
[00:57:17] white working class like in their 20s
[00:57:20] just, you know, just drinking and
[00:57:22] effing, you know, and and and
[00:57:27] then I saw some of the things my dad did
[00:57:29] and they would start with that joke.
[00:57:30] They'd start with that very charming
[00:57:31] joke. They start with that alluring
[00:57:33] joke. And my dad had like a degree in he
[00:57:34] had my dad had a masters in fine art. He
[00:57:36] was a great sculptor and painter. But
[00:57:38] that but that was the charming bit of
[00:57:40] him. The dark bit was you know like he
[00:57:42] would say to people um can I use bad
[00:57:44] language on the show?
[00:57:45] >> Yes. Yes you may
[00:57:46] >> because you can bleep it. But my dad
[00:57:48] would say like listen just cuz you're in
[00:57:51] a wheelchair don't give you the right to
[00:57:52] be a [ __ ] Uh and [laughter]
[00:57:55] he would grab the wheelchair spin it
[00:57:57] around and like walk people up to to you
[00:57:59] know like to parking lot edges and stuff
[00:58:01] like that. And I'm sitting in the car
[00:58:02] like
[00:58:05] um you know or or he'd go collecting
[00:58:07] which means protection rackets. And he
[00:58:09] would um and he would uh um you know I
[00:58:14] would overhear like Julian could you
[00:58:15] take your glasses off please? I don't
[00:58:17] want to get glass in my finger when I
[00:58:18] poke your [ __ ] eye out. [laughter]
[00:58:21] It's very charming, very funny, like
[00:58:22] very Tony Soprano kind of like that kind
[00:58:24] of ilk, you know? Um, but but I saw some
[00:58:28] of it and I think maybe somewhere in my
[00:58:30] head I was like, "Yeah, if that's being
[00:58:32] a man, I think I'm out." Because I was a
[00:58:34] child. I was frightened. And then my
[00:58:36] mother left him and married a a new guy.
[00:58:39] And he was very like sort of a nice guy
[00:58:42] now, but but um
[00:58:45] he would go through all my stuff like if
[00:58:47] I had papers, you know, if I was reading
[00:58:48] something for school or whatever, he
[00:58:50] would like when I was out go through
[00:58:51] every page and just sort of leave it
[00:58:53] like this just just that I knew that
[00:58:55] he'd been in there, you know, and that
[00:58:57] kind of like invasive like like just
[00:58:59] horrifying like it was just for for a
[00:59:01] very sensitive artistic child like me.
[00:59:03] Um, you [laughter] were already on my
[00:59:05] way then, you know, having I had a much
[00:59:07] larger than life grandmother who was
[00:59:08] like, you know, egging this stuff on and
[00:59:10] and by this time I had had some
[00:59:12] interactions, sexual interactions with a
[00:59:13] Roman Catholic priest, uh, who's dead
[00:59:15] now. Has been dead for a long time, but
[00:59:16] that had obviously, you know, that fed
[00:59:17] into it as well.
[00:59:18] >> Wait, wait, stop. Stop.
[00:59:21] >> That obviously fed into Right. Well, if
[00:59:23] you're being molested Yeah. Well, yeah.
[00:59:25] Oh, also the molestation. No, but but
[00:59:27] really for me, this is this is where
[00:59:29] it's important to to do the other stuff
[00:59:30] first before you get Oh, and I was raped
[00:59:32] by a priest.
[00:59:33] >> [laughter]
[00:59:34] >> But but um but but but this sort of
[00:59:37] psychological torture as I pursu as I
[00:59:39] experienced it was you know sort of like
[00:59:42] I had no private space anywhere and I
[00:59:45] knew that all the men in my life were
[00:59:46] just not things I wanted to become.
[00:59:48] >> Yes.
[00:59:48] >> And then I cast my See if you let me get
[00:59:50] to it. Uh then I cast my mind back to a
[00:59:52] lovely old rich man in a frock, Father
[00:59:54] Michael. Uh, and I [laughter] I Yeah.
[00:59:56] And I and I who had not been like that
[00:59:59] with me.
[01:00:01] >> And
[01:00:04] one of the things that got me into
[01:00:05] trouble 10 years ago was when I said I
[01:00:07] felt like the kind of the aggressor in
[01:00:08] that situation. I didn't know what bad
[01:00:09] stuff it had done to me. And at the time
[01:00:11] I didn't. Um,
[01:00:14] you know, I made a couple of jokes that
[01:00:15] got GOP Inc. uh hot and bothered cuz
[01:00:18] they're all [ __ ] um and they weren't
[01:00:21] they weren't happy about the some of the
[01:00:23] the truths that we're talking about
[01:00:24] today kind of toppling out you know um
[01:00:27] and so these things combined
[01:00:30] the having what I perceived to be at
[01:00:34] that time I perceived as a child to be
[01:00:37] consensual sexual experiences with a
[01:00:40] older man who was a kindly
[01:00:42] >> he was kindly sweetheart you know he was
[01:00:44] I think of him now as a harmless old
[01:00:47] queen you know of course what he was
[01:00:49] doing was not harmless.
[01:00:50] >> Well, you have a right to any opinion
[01:00:51] you want about the experiences that
[01:00:53] happened to you.
[01:00:54] >> Apparently not. Well,
[01:00:55] >> I've been retired for some time as a
[01:00:56] result. Um, [laughter]
[01:00:58] >> well, I continue to believe that people
[01:01:01] are allowed to formulate their own
[01:01:02] opinions about their own lives.
[01:01:04] >> I think you should be able to talk about
[01:01:05] your rape however you like. Uh, agree
[01:01:08] with that and not necessarily have to go
[01:01:09] on live international television and
[01:01:10] apologize for it like I did, but I'm not
[01:01:12] bitter. Um, so [laughter]
[01:01:15] fortunately unfortunately I I I carved
[01:01:17] out a a much I have a a a new kind of
[01:01:21] career and a new life now that I much
[01:01:22] prefer is more satisfying, lucrative,
[01:01:25] blah blah blah. We'll do it later. So I
[01:01:28] haven't gone crazy like so many of my
[01:01:29] friends. And it's funny watching them
[01:01:32] cuz I see some of the in the way that
[01:01:34] their personalities have become kind of
[01:01:36] empty and sharded and become filled with
[01:01:37] wickedness. I see some of the things
[01:01:39] that I have been working over the last
[01:01:40] 10 years to get away from that created
[01:01:42] this this sexual behavior, they've
[01:01:45] become faggotized, you know.
[01:01:47] >> Well, there does seem to be um
[01:01:49] [clears throat]
[01:01:51] a connection, but it does, you know, the
[01:01:54] incidence of closeted homosexuality on
[01:01:57] the right is like over overwhelming.
[01:02:00] It's like way above what you would
[01:02:01] imagine is statistically probable. three
[01:02:04] straight guys on the right. It's like
[01:02:05] Alex, you, and I have a floating wild
[01:02:08] card just in case I forgot anybody.
[01:02:10] [laughter]
[01:02:11] Who else? Who else is there? I mean,
[01:02:13] maybe the Tates, but who else is there?
[01:02:14] >> What is that?
[01:02:16] >> Um I don't understand it.
[01:02:18] >> There's such a long um there's such a
[01:02:21] long relationship, a long happy marriage
[01:02:23] between conservative politics and
[01:02:24] homosexuality. And it's easy to joke
[01:02:27] about it and say, "Oh, it's it's um you
[01:02:29] know, all of the bells and smells and
[01:02:31] frocks of the religious dimension to it
[01:02:33] all, or it's the uh pomp and
[01:02:35] circumstance of power, or is it
[01:02:37] >> the New Testament is really tough on
[01:02:39] homosexuality. So, I don't see it as a
[01:02:41] that's not certainly not a Christian
[01:02:43] thing.
[01:02:43] >> It's not a Christian thing." But of
[01:02:45] course, it's easy to understand with the
[01:02:46] sort of obscene obese heresies of the
[01:02:50] type that obtain in this country. I mean
[01:02:52] I mean in a country where prosperity
[01:02:54] gospel can thrive.
[01:02:56] >> You're right.
[01:02:56] >> Who would be surprised, right? It's not
[01:02:58] an authentic face as we would know it. I
[01:03:00] sometimes tease you about your your
[01:03:01] denomination, but Episcopalian
[01:03:03] Episcopalian church is is is as close to
[01:03:06] us as it's possible to get and was
[01:03:07] designed to be um a mirror to high
[01:03:09] Anglicanism which was indistinguishable
[01:03:11] from Catholicism and that you know at
[01:03:13] its sorry at its best it's it's a very
[01:03:15] similar um uh creed you know to and and
[01:03:18] and with very similar style and similar
[01:03:20] beliefs you know. Yeah. So, but but but
[01:03:22] as soon as you wander away from that in
[01:03:24] America, just like mental.
[01:03:26] >> So, but what is and I'm not attacking
[01:03:29] anybody and I never want to out people
[01:03:33] because I don't know it's not my
[01:03:34] business, right?
[01:03:36] I've never done it. And uh I mean maybe
[01:03:39] >> I live I live to out people [laughter] I
[01:03:41] live out. On which subject? Cory Booker.
[01:03:44] Um I
[01:03:45] >> did. But what is that? Why is there Why
[01:03:48] is it so common on the right? Well, of
[01:03:52] course on the left too, but on the right
[01:03:53] with closeted gays. Like I don't get
[01:03:56] that.
[01:03:56] >> Interesting question. I've never heard a
[01:03:58] really good answer to. I'll be honest
[01:03:59] with you. Uh I I suppose I should have a
[01:04:01] good answer to that, but I don't. And I
[01:04:03] I think but I think if it's about
[01:04:04] anything, it's about the exercise of
[01:04:07] power over others.
[01:04:08] >> Yes. Because
[01:04:09] >> I feel that. I have no idea exactly why
[01:04:11] that's true, but I feel that that's
[01:04:12] true.
[01:04:12] >> What's the worst thing about magic? It's
[01:04:15] not that you can turn a person into a
[01:04:17] frog or you can uh make yourself look
[01:04:20] more beautiful or you can whatever.
[01:04:22] What's the worst thing about magic is
[01:04:23] that it robs others of agency that you
[01:04:25] can make them do things they don't want
[01:04:27] to do. The worst and most sinister bit
[01:04:29] of magic is that you can uh trick
[01:04:32] someone or compel someone against their
[01:04:34] will to fall in love with you or to or
[01:04:36] to throw themselves off a cliff.
[01:04:38] >> Kind of slavery. Yeah,
[01:04:39] >> exactly. The the most frightening thing
[01:04:41] about magic is its ability to compel the
[01:04:44] wills of others. Yes. Right. And that's
[01:04:46] what I think homosexuals are seeking
[01:04:48] when they because they feel so powerless
[01:04:50] in their own lives and have this
[01:04:51] understanding that they are are broken
[01:04:53] people without agency over their own sex
[01:04:56] lives, over their bodies, over that down
[01:04:59] there. Like I don't even have control
[01:05:01] over me, but I'm damn well going to have
[01:05:03] control over you. Like that's I think a
[01:05:05] lot of it. And and so if you if you
[01:05:07] dovetail that in with the
[01:05:08] >> I know you're telling the truth here. I
[01:05:10] don't fully understand what you're
[01:05:11] saying, but I it comports with a lot of
[01:05:13] what I've seen. I feel as though if you
[01:05:16] if you are a person who intuitits that
[01:05:19] you have a lack of of control of power
[01:05:22] of of agency over your own drives, your
[01:05:25] own desires, your your own um uh urges
[01:05:29] and the even your biological anatomical
[01:05:34] uh your your physical responses like I
[01:05:37] can't stop getting aroused by men. What
[01:05:40] is that?
[01:05:41] uh you're going to want to exercise
[01:05:43] power elsewhere over others.
[01:05:46] >> That's so interesting. And being sucked
[01:05:49] into the nexus of intersectional,
[01:05:52] you might you're going to be tempted by
[01:05:55] explicit magic as well as the implicit
[01:05:58] magic of of whatever. And so, you know,
[01:06:00] dovetail that with right-wing
[01:06:01] authoritarianism and and and and and I
[01:06:04] have to say, I'm sorry to say it, I must
[01:06:05] say it
[01:06:07] some
[01:06:09] dimensions in some respects. I can see
[01:06:11] that that might be something that
[01:06:12] attracts homosexuals to the Catholic
[01:06:14] Church, for instance. Um, just the
[01:06:16] illusion being being a bishop. I mean,
[01:06:18] >> or National Review magazine, you know,
[01:06:20] which is
[01:06:21] >> You don't just save me. It's all right.
[01:06:22] I'm happy to talk about the the the
[01:06:24] Catholic element of I mean, the bishops
[01:06:25] are all [ __ ]
[01:06:26] >> I mean, they're all whoopsies.
[01:06:28] They're allies
[01:06:30] >> gays. U I like I like that one.
[01:06:32] [laughter]
[01:06:33] It it contains within it a kernel of the
[01:06:35] sort of slapstick that I think we have
[01:06:37] to one of the ways I got myself off it
[01:06:39] was was was imagining myself in that
[01:06:42] situation as ridiculous. Like I can't
[01:06:45] even perceive that I would do something
[01:06:47] so ridiculous like laughing at it became
[01:06:50] cuz you know laughter is the death of
[01:06:52] arousal, right? Totally agree.
[01:06:53] >> So I read this some I read or or or
[01:06:56] something like that went off from the
[01:06:56] back. Anyone who's ever been laughed at
[01:06:58] naked can tell you that.
[01:06:59] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, never have, but
[01:07:01] um uh uh
[01:07:02] >> I haven't either. [laughter]
[01:07:04] >> Um no, but but I mean, you know, like
[01:07:06] it's it's it's I think it's a favorite
[01:07:08] famous like British uh particularly a
[01:07:10] British like injunction, you know, that
[01:07:11] laughter is the death of arousal or
[01:07:13] whatever. Um uh and and I just thought,
[01:07:17] okay, well, how about if I start
[01:07:18] thinking about it as ridiculous? Because
[01:07:19] it is ridiculous. I mean, like you and
[01:07:21] the football team, like it is
[01:07:22] ridiculous. Uh and so that's one of the
[01:07:24] ways I but but no this this this
[01:07:26] >> that is so true.
[01:07:27] >> Uh
[01:07:29] seeing themselves as powerless even to
[01:07:33] control their own bodies and knowing on
[01:07:35] some level I think the homosexuals seek
[01:07:36] out those places. Um and you know you
[01:07:39] see
[01:07:40] >> this is why you might want to bomb Iran
[01:07:41] in Venezuela.
[01:07:43] >> Yeah. Bomb bomb bomb bomb. What's gayer?
[01:07:45] What's gayer? I'm not saying he was a
[01:07:47] practicing homosexual. Wasn't is there
[01:07:48] anything gayer than John McCain's like
[01:07:50] bloodlust? uh seen through this
[01:07:53] >> or his proteges
[01:07:54] >> seen through this prism. I mean he's
[01:07:56] even got the fat friend. It's his
[01:07:57] daughter. Um you know like he he even b
[01:08:00] he even bred the fat best friend. You
[01:08:02] know like is there is there a is there a
[01:08:04] more ostentatious like [ __ ] hag in
[01:08:06] America than Megan McCain? You know she
[01:08:08] hates herself. She's fat. She's crazy.
[01:08:10] She's every gay man's dream. Uh you know
[01:08:12] can't dress. Um uh you know she she's
[01:08:15] she's
[01:08:15] >> Why is that every gay man's dream?
[01:08:18] because they want to visit upon their
[01:08:20] female friends um the cruelty they wish
[01:08:23] that they could perform on their
[01:08:25] mothers.
[01:08:28] Whoa. Whoa. [laughter]
[01:08:31] Um they want to make her feel fat and
[01:08:35] ugly and ridiculous because that's what
[01:08:37] their mother did to them and there was
[01:08:39] no dad around to protect them and their
[01:08:40] mother was just this overbearing
[01:08:41] terrible, you know, sort of the Yungian
[01:08:43] and devouring mother. Um
[01:08:45] >> all of this has been banned in the
[01:08:46] United States. So, I don't even think
[01:08:47] people are familiar with these concepts
[01:08:48] anymore,
[01:08:49] >> right? So, so I'll try to keep it
[01:08:51] simple. Uh, imagine like um imagine like
[01:08:54] a a female like Lutheran pastor or a or
[01:08:58] or a a female Jewish rabbi and they're
[01:09:00] like, you know, hey, it's great to
[01:09:02] grieve. [laughter]
[01:09:06] That's for a TV show. But, but like one
[01:09:08] of those, right? This is horrible
[01:09:10] overbearing monstrousness that on some
[01:09:12] level the homosexual knows is what's
[01:09:14] made him like this. cuz he know dad
[01:09:17] wasn't around so mom did it right. This
[01:09:19] is why by the way this is why trans were
[01:09:22] so popular because it got parents off
[01:09:23] the hook. If you got a gay kid you know
[01:09:25] you did something but if your kid has a
[01:09:26] disease and was born into the wrong
[01:09:28] body. Well that's not your fault is it?
[01:09:29] And you got all this sympathy and oh all
[01:09:30] your friends are like oh you got a trans
[01:09:32] kid. How tough are you? No you got a
[01:09:34] [ __ ] cuz you you raised a [ __ ]
[01:09:35] because you're a terrible parent. Uh you
[01:09:37] know that's what's really going on. They
[01:09:38] want to avoid that. So instead no I'm
[01:09:39] going to chop its ding-dong off and say
[01:09:42] it's got a disease. Like that's why it
[01:09:44] was so popular with single moms.
[01:09:45] Amazing.
[01:09:47] That's why that's why trans were so
[01:09:48] popular single moms. Um because it got
[01:09:50] them off the hook. It means they didn't
[01:09:51] turn their son gay when they know they
[01:09:53] did. They know they did. They know they
[01:09:54] did. And the sons know they did. And the
[01:09:56] sons grow up being cruel to women
[01:10:01] because of what mom did to them.
[01:10:03] >> So they're hostile toward their moms.
[01:10:05] Even though many gay men I've known
[01:10:09] this close relation, but but it's a
[01:10:11] toxicity. It's it's a it's a codependent
[01:10:14] relationship that they know is they
[01:10:15] can't so sometimes they can't visit this
[01:10:17] cruelty on their mom because they have
[01:10:18] this close relationship with their mom
[01:10:20] but they do it on other women. It's m
[01:10:21] it's it's redirected right it's uh
[01:10:24] transferred onto other onto other women
[01:10:26] cuz they love a mommy like why would I
[01:10:28] do that on my mom but on some level they
[01:10:29] know that's she did that she did that.
[01:10:32] So, so
[01:10:34] they force women into ever more
[01:10:37] uncomfortable and ever uglier outfits
[01:10:40] and throw them down runways on, you
[01:10:42] know, in 10-in heels or they um
[01:10:45] >> What? So, you think the fashion industry
[01:10:47] is is acting this out?
[01:10:49] >> Of course it is. I mean, what other
[01:10:51] explanation could there be for the
[01:10:53] intolerable ugliness of the catwalk?
[01:10:56] >> You are blowing my mind on so so many
[01:10:58] levels. I can't even
[01:11:00] >> I mean sure we used to have when society
[01:11:03] was working properly you would go have
[01:11:06] you ever seen Mrs. Aris goes to Paris?
[01:11:07] >> No.
[01:11:08] >> It's a lovely movie about a char lady a
[01:11:11] um housekeeper.
[01:11:12] >> Yes. Housekeeper. Yes. To to Americans
[01:11:15] um see how you know a char woman and
[01:11:16] you've never seen Mrs. Aris goes to
[01:11:18] Paris. Um who who dreams of one day
[01:11:21] owning a couture Dior dress like the
[01:11:24] person that she works for. Right. and
[01:11:26] she saves up and she saves up and
[01:11:27] there's calamities with her money and
[01:11:28] you know some some boyfriend loses
[01:11:30] whatever and eventually she manages to
[01:11:31] go to Paris and she manages to get the
[01:11:34] dress right and when society was
[01:11:36] properly ordered there were these
[01:11:37] aspirational
[01:11:39] um beauty standards and these
[01:11:40] aspirational lifestyle goals included
[01:11:42] gorgeous tailoring and beautiful um
[01:11:46] [clears throat] uh um silhouettes for
[01:11:48] women that accentuated their uh you know
[01:11:51] their gorgeous characters not like that
[01:11:52] now is it not like that No. And and it's
[01:11:57] funny. I don't know much I don't know
[01:11:58] really anything about fashion, but I
[01:12:00] love female beauty, of course. But you
[01:12:02] don't see any of it on the catwalk.
[01:12:03] >> Exactly. In fact, you see the opposite.
[01:12:06] >> You see the opposite. You see you see
[01:12:09] manufactured ugliness.
[01:12:10] >> Gay men turning women into the demons
[01:12:13] they see themselves as. Um, you see gay
[01:12:16] look look at look at the most who's the
[01:12:18] most celebrated woman on the stage at
[01:12:19] the moment is is the the um Gorgon
[01:12:23] opposite Ariana Grande whose name I
[01:12:25] forget now. Um, you know this this the
[01:12:27] the noseratu like black noseratu um
[01:12:31] who's seems to be sucking the life force
[01:12:33] out of poor Ariana who's I think gonna
[01:12:35] die within the next few weeks. Uh if
[01:12:37] you've seen if you've seen that singer's
[01:12:39] um physique lately um she sort of but
[01:12:42] this this this this
[01:12:44] appalling
[01:12:46] apparition
[01:12:48] um Cynthia or something I think uh of
[01:12:51] course she's called Cynthia. Um you know
[01:12:54] with these with these claws you know and
[01:12:57] you look at the silhouette and you're
[01:12:58] like that's literally Noseratu. It's
[01:13:00] literally not. And I know a gay man did
[01:13:02] that. And of course, a gay man then put
[01:13:03] her on stage in Jesus Christ Superstar
[01:13:05] as our Lord. Did you know that?
[01:13:07] >> No.
[01:13:08] >> Have you seen you seen the person I'm
[01:13:09] talking about? Right.
[01:13:09] >> No.
[01:13:10] >> Okay. Well, you'll Google it later. But
[01:13:12] um it's this spindly. It's just just
[01:13:15] straight up goblin looking black woman
[01:13:17] like and and I you know, I'm not trying
[01:13:19] to have like a a rose a a um a Roseanne
[01:13:23] moment. Um although she was right. Um
[01:13:25] you know, whatever. But this woman is
[01:13:26] like, you know, like like ugly by any
[01:13:28] racial stat. is just monstrous looking,
[01:13:30] right? Just just what our mothers might
[01:13:33] have called deeply unfortunate, right?
[01:13:36] >> Um and practically circus level.
[01:13:40] >> And of course, she's the heroine of of
[01:13:42] the billion dollar franchise now,
[01:13:44] Wicked. And she's um and she's on stage
[01:13:47] as Jesus,
[01:13:50] which which so it's an act of hostility
[01:13:53] is what you're saying.
[01:13:53] >> Exactly. Exactly. And and and so the
[01:13:57] these gay men who feel the will of
[01:14:01] Gorgoth inside them like do it, do it.
[01:14:03] Uh you know, and and and who go turn
[01:14:05] these women into the demons they see
[01:14:07] inside themselves. You know, the demons
[01:14:09] they see acting on.
[01:14:10] >> This is a lot deeper than I expected
[01:14:12] when I [laughter] when I texted you to
[01:14:15] have this conversation. Um
[01:14:17] >> it's more than you would imagine from a
[01:14:18] guy wearing this t-shirt.
[01:14:19] >> No, it's not actually. And by the way,
[01:14:20] can I say one thing that's bothered me
[01:14:22] for years? When I was a child, there was
[01:14:24] a lot of creativity coming from gay men
[01:14:27] in the United States. Like they all gone
[01:14:29] now.
[01:14:29] >> I know.
[01:14:30] >> And it's Dave Rubin is is responsible.
[01:14:32] And not him personally, but I mean like
[01:14:34] >> but do you know what I'm talking about?
[01:14:35] I mean,
[01:14:36] >> of course. And why? Because
[01:14:38] >> a lot of free thinking and I was related
[01:14:40] to one of them and I spent a lot of time
[01:14:42] in my house, lived under my house when I
[01:14:44] was a kid and gay died of AIDS, you
[01:14:45] know, but and had a lot of problems. But
[01:14:48] in some but I will say creative
[01:14:51] freethinking like truly freeth thinking
[01:14:54] vid doll was like the archetype.
[01:14:56] >> This is burkian.
[01:14:57] >> They're no gorid dolls in gay world that
[01:14:59] I'm aware of. They're all like
[01:15:00] conformist and supporting the the man
[01:15:04] like what the only the only ones these
[01:15:06] days exgay. Um but
[01:15:08] >> but do you know what I'm talking about?
[01:15:09] >> Yes. And it's Burkian. It's because
[01:15:11] creativity arises out of order. There
[01:15:12] has to be limits. And if homosexuality
[01:15:14] is not prescribed as wretched and kept
[01:15:17] at the fringes where it belongs,
[01:15:19] creativity dies. And what do you get?
[01:15:21] Because you don't have those people
[01:15:22] playing with the limits. You don't have
[01:15:23] the the taboo breakers. You don't have
[01:15:25] the uh artists, the creatives living at
[01:15:28] the limits of society. They're brought
[01:15:30] instead. And I have to say
[01:15:31] >> I think the gay gay community such as is
[01:15:33] one of the least creative most
[01:15:35] conformist elements of our society. I
[01:15:37] never thought I would say that.
[01:15:38] >> They become the enforcers just like
[01:15:40] >> they're the enforcers. the Ptorian guard
[01:15:42] for Apple and Microsoft. Like what the
[01:15:44] hell?
[01:15:44] >> Just like the white women of folklore
[01:15:48] who uh you know are are responsible for
[01:15:50] all evil, but they become like
[01:15:51] turbocharged Karens, you know. Um, and
[01:15:54] and and it's the white women who welcome
[01:15:56] in the the white single moms typically,
[01:16:00] uh, but single moms generally, I think,
[01:16:01] who who who bring in um, uh, drag queen
[01:16:04] story hour cuz there's no gay people
[01:16:06] like banging down the door to to to
[01:16:09] There's no gay people like, excuse me,
[01:16:10] can I come read your kids? Do you mind?
[01:16:12] Can I come read stories your kids? Like,
[01:16:13] no, they're not. Uh, uh, they're not.
[01:16:15] Uh, but there are demons out there who
[01:16:17] will come do it if you invite them
[01:16:18] because what do you have to do with
[01:16:20] demons? Open a portal. Uh, open a
[01:16:22] doorway, you know? So these these women
[01:16:25] open the doorway and in comes,
[01:16:28] >> you know, um uh three little pigs. Uh
[01:16:33] >> um
[01:16:35] but the gays now have taken this role.
[01:16:37] They've taken the um uh the the the the
[01:16:39] mantle over from you know what we used
[01:16:42] to we mean we used to say it, didn't we?
[01:16:43] We used to say uh uh white single moms
[01:16:45] are root of all evil like as you know
[01:16:46] kind of half joking uh because of all
[01:16:48] the crazy stuff they support, but now
[01:16:50] it's homosexuals.
[01:16:51] I I have to I have to be honest with
[01:16:53] you. I bear some responsibility for this
[01:16:55] because it was me uh 10 years ago
[01:16:59] mainstreaming homosexuality in the
[01:17:01] Republican party is the great regret of
[01:17:02] my life more so than anything I've done
[01:17:05] to my own soul which is a lot. Um it's
[01:17:09] the great regret of my life um because
[01:17:11] it has given rise to horrors I never
[01:17:13] imagined. I mean say Lenon said you know
[01:17:15] all revolutionaries come to hate their
[01:17:16] children you know. Well, the gay horrors
[01:17:18] that I've given birth to, Lady Mara,
[01:17:20] Nick Fuentes, I mean, they keep me up at
[01:17:22] night. They keep me up at night. Um,
[01:17:25] I mean,
[01:17:26] >> why did you mention Dave Rubin? What's
[01:17:28] his role?
[01:17:28] >> Well, because he is at the vanguard
[01:17:31] along with another of other gays in
[01:17:32] public life of um introducing children
[01:17:36] into the equation because it's when you
[01:17:39] when you when you do what I did, which
[01:17:40] is like gay like everyone else, you be
[01:17:42] normal gay. I remember and I this is the
[01:17:44] thing I regret more than anything else
[01:17:45] in the world. There's a video of Ross
[01:17:46] Matthews in 2017 on Twitter saying, "So,
[01:17:50] I came home and um landscapers have been
[01:17:52] in. We're getting more citrus. You can
[01:17:54] never have too much citrus." And I
[01:17:56] people ask me, "Ross, what do you think
[01:17:58] about this this Milo guy?" And I'm like,
[01:18:00] "Mo, Milo, how low can you go?" I don't
[01:18:03] know who this person is, but I read it.
[01:18:05] And he says, "I'm getting letters, this
[01:18:07] Milo guy. He's resigning from Breitbart
[01:18:08] or something." And he says, "I'm getting
[01:18:10] letters from people who say, uh, you
[01:18:13] make it okay that I have a gay son
[01:18:14] because if he grows up, he doesn't have
[01:18:16] to be like Ross Matthews." And I was
[01:18:17] like, "No, they should be like Ross
[01:18:19] Matthews. They should be like Ross
[01:18:21] Matthews. They shouldn't be like Dave
[01:18:23] Rubin." Like, like you might not even
[01:18:25] know unless you watched him for a little
[01:18:26] bit because this domesticity of
[01:18:28] homosexuals has killed all the things
[01:18:30] that were good about gays that made them
[01:18:32] like tolerable. uh and and and and
[01:18:35] instead has given them this grotesque
[01:18:38] parody, this simulacum of domesticity
[01:18:40] which has in which has of course in
[01:18:43] their neverending hunger expanded to
[01:18:45] include babies
[01:18:48] and now we have the Bajage couple buying
[01:18:53] black children.
[01:18:54] >> I thought you weren't allowed to buy
[01:18:56] people. I thought
[01:18:57] >> Oh, no. You can if you're a homosexual
[01:19:00] called adoption or surrogacy or
[01:19:01] whatever, but you can buy them. I
[01:19:02] thought it was called slavery.
[01:19:03] >> In fact, you have to buy them cuz it's
[01:19:05] and it's quite expensive. Um,
[01:19:08] >> is it some online slave market or
[01:19:10] >> doesn't cover? No, no, no. It's it's the
[01:19:11] government. Um, uh, as you know, um, but
[01:19:17] Dave Rubin has
[01:19:20] like Franken sperm babies like he he
[01:19:23] mixed his eluvia with that of his
[01:19:26] husband. I mean, this is real. This is
[01:19:29] physical.
[01:19:31] gave it a stir and hoped for the best
[01:19:33] and I just whichever one we get we get
[01:19:36] implanted it in some highly paid woman
[01:19:39] we'll never know the name of the real
[01:19:40] mother of those children um and uh you
[01:19:43] know he and his he and his his his uh uh
[01:19:47] catammite are on on on the internet you
[01:19:49] know with these signs like it's coming
[01:19:50] with these two dates and I'm like yeah
[01:19:53] your damnation that's the date you're
[01:19:55] counting down to the the the the date
[01:19:58] you're how was that conservative
[01:20:01] Oh, because it's family, you see.
[01:20:03] Because it's uh it's the the the the the
[01:20:06] slight of hand like that's going on is
[01:20:08] they're like, well, gays are just like
[01:20:10] everybody else, so we should behave like
[01:20:12] everybody else, which means we should
[01:20:13] have kids. And if we can't physically
[01:20:14] have kids cuz our sex is this like
[01:20:16] demonic sterile horror show, then we'll
[01:20:19] buy them and then we'll look like we've
[01:20:20] got
[01:20:22] I mean, that's that's how bad it is.
[01:20:24] That's how bad it is. And so you have
[01:20:26] the I love [laughter]
[01:20:28] I don't know if it says anything about
[01:20:29] Republicans versus Democrats, but but
[01:20:31] you have like Dave Rubin who for whom
[01:20:35] buying a child is not good enough. It
[01:20:36] must be his own, you know, like like
[01:20:38] like the the the the the conceit of
[01:20:40] that. So on the right you've got this
[01:20:43] sort of techno conceit Franken baby and
[01:20:48] on the left they adopt blacks.
[01:20:51] [laughter]
[01:20:52] Like, you know, you've got these two uh
[01:20:55] wispy, wiry [ __ ] who adopted two
[01:20:58] black babies. Uh I mean, isn't Buddha
[01:21:01] just the most interesting character of
[01:21:02] our age? Like, I mean, he doesn't look
[01:21:04] like he looks like an intensely boring
[01:21:06] homosexual. Like, it's everything gay
[01:21:07] people shouldn't be. But it's so
[01:21:08] interesting the fact that I mean,
[01:21:10] clearly he wasn't gay like at the
[01:21:12] beginning.
[01:21:12] >> Well, he had girlfriends,
[01:21:13] >> right? So, he wasn't gay, but he made
[01:21:15] himself gay. I made that point um
[01:21:18] because actually I had gay men who
[01:21:19] worked for me who were more in tune with
[01:21:22] this than me. I'm not in tune at all. I
[01:21:24] just didn't I thought Peter put a judge
[01:21:26] was a joke. But um they said, "Well,
[01:21:28] he's not really gay." And I was like,
[01:21:30] "No." And
[01:21:31] >> so what does that mean?
[01:21:32] >> I Well, his sexuality like all se like
[01:21:36] all homosexuality is a function, a
[01:21:39] product, a symptom. What is his
[01:21:41] homosexuality a symptom of? It's of his
[01:21:43] vaultting ambition. Uh uh Bajage timed
[01:21:47] it perfectly so that post Obama uh the
[01:21:50] gay guy with the with the black kids
[01:21:53] perfect presidential candidate.
[01:21:56] >> So to the I think to the heterosexual
[01:21:58] brain it's like are you really saying a
[01:22:00] guy would switch his quote sexuality
[01:22:03] in order to get a better job?
[01:22:05] >> Uh yeah. Yeah. Women do it all the time.
[01:22:10] Lesbianism is got nothing to do with
[01:22:12] male homosexuality. Just look, everybody
[01:22:14] knows they got a college girlfriend who
[01:22:16] was a they got a girlfriend who was a
[01:22:17] lesbian in college.
[01:22:18] >> Yeah. Everybody. Like, you could barely
[01:22:21] find a woman who hasn't played around
[01:22:22] with a woman. Um, Queen Victoria didn't
[01:22:24] believe that this was sex or that two
[01:22:26] women would do that with one another.
[01:22:27] And she refused to accept that women
[01:22:29] even did that um very wisely, realizing
[01:22:31] that lesbianism wasn't real. And uh so
[01:22:34] lesbian lesbianism wasn't illegal in
[01:22:36] Britain for a long time when male
[01:22:38] homosexuality was. But um female
[01:22:41] sexuality is known in the studies to be
[01:22:43] far more malleable. Women go backwards
[01:22:44] and forwards between men all the time.
[01:22:47] And and and and you know, lesbianism is
[01:22:49] like a is is is a is a um social and
[01:22:52] political decision. It's a series of
[01:22:53] social and political decisions. I mean,
[01:22:55] women want uh companionship. They want
[01:22:56] stability. They want safety. They can
[01:22:58] find that in a woman, you know, like you
[01:23:00] can find that in a in a Butch Dyke just
[01:23:01] as easily as you can find it in American
[01:23:02] man these days. Um
[01:23:05] I'm sorry. Uh you know, at least at
[01:23:07] least she can cash in her
[01:23:08] Harley-Davidson. What have you got? Um,
[01:23:10] you know, [laughter]
[01:23:13] but um, sorry
[01:23:16] that leather jacket's got to go for
[01:23:17] something. Uh, you know, [laughter]
[01:23:20] the warehouse full of eyeliner you've
[01:23:22] got. Um, no, I I um I joke, but only
[01:23:26] slightly. We've seen women do it. Seen
[01:23:28] women do it. They do all the time. They
[01:23:30] choose to be less all the time. So, so,
[01:23:33] so you don't find it, you don't find the
[01:23:36] >> I realize it sounds extreme and
[01:23:37] implausible. Well, too I to me anyway
[01:23:40] it's like really
[01:23:40] >> but we're dealing with a sociopath here.
[01:23:42] We're dealing with somebody who's who's
[01:23:44] entirely divorced from his own emotional
[01:23:47] from his own feelings, right? We're
[01:23:48] dealing from somebody dealing with
[01:23:50] somebody who will do anything, go
[01:23:52] anywhere, be anything.
[01:23:55] I mean, are you telling me like is it is
[01:23:58] it so crazy that he would get a he to
[01:24:02] have a boyfriend and and adopt these
[01:24:04] kids? Is that so much more insane than a
[01:24:07] gay man uh uh living in the closet and
[01:24:09] having and having a wife and having sex
[01:24:10] with her and producing children with
[01:24:12] her? Is that so nuts? Like, okay, so
[01:24:13] there probably more sex involved. Is it
[01:24:15] Is it Is it like Isn't it just like that
[01:24:17] on steroids? Like is it so bonkers? And
[01:24:20] that's where gay people should be, by
[01:24:21] the way, in the closet praying to get
[01:24:22] better. Um uh but but is it so wild?
[01:24:26] It's not wild.
[01:24:27] >> No, you're right. I just hadn't thought
[01:24:29] of it that.
[01:24:29] >> And and gay men have been doing that for
[01:24:32] centuries.
[01:24:32] >> Well, I know I know a bunch of them.
[01:24:34] Yeah. Of course we Well, you work in and
[01:24:37] I used to work in uh conservative media
[01:24:39] and uh uh uh
[01:24:42] it's all of them. It's everybody. It's
[01:24:44] everybody. They're all [ __ ] Um
[01:24:46] they're all gay. All of them are gay.
[01:24:47] All of them are gay. Like everyone is
[01:24:49] gay.
[01:24:49] >> I haven't said anything about it for
[01:24:50] like 30 years just because of my just
[01:24:52] general Anglo commitment to not get
[01:24:54] involved in other people's business. But
[01:24:57] it's so noticeable. I I just don't know
[01:24:59] what I clearly there's something going
[01:25:01] on here. [laughter]
[01:25:02] >> Yeah. I I think it's the exercise of
[01:25:04] power of others as we talked about
[01:25:06] really smart
[01:25:07] >> but in this case the Buddha I find him
[01:25:10] fascinating because because he's
[01:25:14] he's
[01:25:16] misjudged
[01:25:18] but only slightly
[01:25:20] what would be required to be the perfect
[01:25:22] presidential candidate like in 2028 2024
[01:25:25] right and he starts off and he's got
[01:25:26] girlfriends he's in the military
[01:25:30] he's
[01:25:32] living a normal like American life
[01:25:35] and then
[01:25:38] chasen
[01:25:40] I mean like if you want to they say that
[01:25:43] um exgays often go for like uh uh near
[01:25:45] eastern women um cuz they're not
[01:25:47] sexually demanding and they look like
[01:25:48] boys from behind you know like Malaysian
[01:25:50] girls um you know when they come to have
[01:25:51] wives uh but isn't chasing kind of like
[01:25:53] the closest thing you can get to a girl
[01:25:55] um closest you know sort of if you need
[01:25:57] a similacrim of a woman you flip him
[01:25:58] over it could be a girl you know um
[01:26:01] >> I don't think I know what Jason looks
[01:26:03] like.
[01:26:04] >> His well, you're you're blessed. Um, his
[01:26:06] husband is is,
[01:26:10] >> if you don't know that, then you might
[01:26:11] know the expression aged out twink or uh
[01:26:13] but but um
[01:26:15] he he's about as the most the most
[01:26:17] effeminite man that you could you could
[01:26:18] >> Oh, is that true?
[01:26:19] >> Yeah. Um not in the kind of like So, so
[01:26:23] there's whereas Pete has that kind of
[01:26:24] fake radio voice like
[01:26:26] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you
[01:26:27] know Yeah. Yeah. So, so you know, um,
[01:26:31] and it is a fake voice because you can
[01:26:33] get you can find recordings of him
[01:26:34] earlier and and he's got more into it
[01:26:37] the more gay his life has become.
[01:26:39] >> Really?
[01:26:40] >> Yeah. Like the the the
[01:26:41] >> the base,
[01:26:41] >> the diaphragm. It's like [laughter] like
[01:26:44] talk from your stomach, Pete. Talk from
[01:26:45] your You can imagine chasing before he
[01:26:47] goes on stage. Remember, babes, from
[01:26:48] your stomach. He's like, "Yeah, yeah,
[01:26:50] yeah." [laughter]
[01:26:52] Like from down here.
[01:26:54] Just imagine, you know, remember what
[01:26:56] Lindsay said? uh you know the speech
[01:26:58] coach who taught him how to sound
[01:26:59] heterosexual you know whatever but no no
[01:27:02] the the it's it's going down it's like
[01:27:04] sinking it's like there's something in
[01:27:05] there [laughter]
[01:27:07] working its way through this like
[01:27:09] achingly slow form of peristalsis
[01:27:12] [laughter]
[01:27:13] gradually finding its way down
[01:27:15] eventually he's going to sound like
[01:27:15] Gorgoth um uh you know when he realizes
[01:27:18] his full potential um no he he he um
[01:27:24] he's fake he's not gay
[01:27:27] He's not gay. He's not gay. There's a
[01:27:28] doubt in my mind. Uh he's not gay. But
[01:27:30] he's performing homosexuality because
[01:27:33] and including having the sex, you know,
[01:27:35] uh but probably not a lot of it. I mean,
[01:27:36] you don't imagine them, you know. Well,
[01:27:38] I don't want you to imagine anything cuz
[01:27:39] I don't I don't wish to to to leave a
[01:27:41] unpleasant taste in your mouth like
[01:27:42] that. But I I'll I'll I'll I'll
[01:27:46] suggest to your viewers that there it's
[01:27:48] not a particularly sexually active
[01:27:49] couple, which might also explain
[01:27:54] how it's possible for somebody to do
[01:27:56] that, right? In the same way that a that
[01:27:58] a a DL gay guy wouldn't be a
[01:28:00] particularly sexual husband,
[01:28:01] >> right? Are uh gay marriages monogous?
[01:28:05] [laughter] That's funny.
[01:28:08] >> Oh, you mean it?
[01:28:10] >> Well, I sense that they're not having
[01:28:11] known some [laughter]
[01:28:13] Um,
[01:28:13] >> but are any I guess is what I would ask.
[01:28:15] >> I mean, I think you get that sort of
[01:28:16] elderly antiques dealer in Kentucky kind
[01:28:18] of, [laughter]
[01:28:20] >> you know, you get
[01:28:21] >> that's so good. You know, so good.
[01:28:23] >> We have a senator like that. Um, uh,
[01:28:25] who, you know, I think if if he if he
[01:28:28] found a husband who was prepared to put
[01:28:30] up with um I really shouldn't I really
[01:28:33] shouldn't, but look up the ladybugs. Uh,
[01:28:36] look look up his ladybugs. Um, it's on
[01:28:39] it's on the internet.
[01:28:40] >> We have so many senators like that.
[01:28:41] That's crazy.
[01:28:42] >> Well, I think people know the one I
[01:28:43] mean. Um
[01:28:44] >> Oh, the actual one from Kentucky.
[01:28:45] >> No, no, no. Um um little bit over. Uh
[01:28:49] you know, you know, you can imagine he
[01:28:50] sort of invites his friend Jasper in for
[01:28:52] a mint jeulip. Uh you know, you know,
[01:28:54] and it's like, do you want to just sit
[01:28:55] there while I get myself uh dusted up?
[01:28:58] You know, like like um yes, of course
[01:29:02] there are loads loads, but I'm thinking
[01:29:03] of of the one in particular that
[01:29:04] everybody kind of um you said you don't
[01:29:06] out people, so I feel like
[01:29:08] >> No, sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm not going
[01:29:09] to use Mitch McConnell's name. Um but
[01:29:12] >> it was Lindsey Graham. Sorry. Um but but
[01:29:14] u um No, I
[01:29:16] >> uh It's a shame, isn't it? This the
[01:29:18] falling over the the the like how long
[01:29:20] are you going to stagger on? They're
[01:29:22] determined to turn themselves into the
[01:29:23] goblins that that dictate their
[01:29:25] behavior.
[01:29:26] >> Well, that's the thing about And I'm not
[01:29:28] Yeah, it's that there's there's so
[01:29:29] bloodthirstiness that's just really
[01:29:32] distressing and offensive to me.
[01:29:35] >> But but think about it like this.
[01:29:37] the sassy, vindictive,
[01:29:40] catty cruelty of the homosexual.
[01:29:45] Imagine what he'd be like if you gave
[01:29:47] him a nuclear button. Right? It sounds
[01:29:50] stupid, but it's it's a continuum. It's
[01:29:52] a spectrum, right? And so those gays
[01:29:54] that have the will to power, they go get
[01:29:56] some and they use it to bomb people or
[01:30:00] to um bully or to I mean, how much must
[01:30:05] they all get off on the fact that they
[01:30:07] are all having sex and nobody would dare
[01:30:10] touch it. Nobody nobody outs them.
[01:30:12] Nobody says a thing and all living lies
[01:30:14] to their cons. This is I mean we were
[01:30:16] joking earlier about um about outing
[01:30:18] people, but like that's why I have a
[01:30:20] thirst for it because it's hypocrisy.
[01:30:22] It's public apocry. I'm not interested
[01:30:24] in outing like, you know, Joe Simpson
[01:30:27] who has a corner store, right?
[01:30:29] >> I'm interested in outing people who are
[01:30:30] misrepresenting themselves to the public
[01:30:32] and I'll, you know, somebody just got
[01:30:34] married with wedding pictures and with
[01:30:35] engagement pictures that are so absurd.
[01:30:38] >> I know.
[01:30:39] >> I figured him out, by the way. I figured
[01:30:40] him out. I could never work out this
[01:30:43] guy. I was like, what is it that's off
[01:30:44] with you? And I realized he always wants
[01:30:46] a bigger laugh than the joke he tells
[01:30:49] commands. And it's because he's actually
[01:30:51] obese but in the body of a merely fat
[01:30:53] person. Like if you think of him as like
[01:30:56] 400 pounds, he suddenly makes sense
[01:30:58] because he's always doing this,
[01:31:00] [laughter]
[01:31:00] you know, uh and you're like, "Oh,
[01:31:02] you're a fat person. You're a giant fat
[01:31:04] person." So he's like a a really fat gay
[01:31:07] in the body of like a a merely slightly
[01:31:10] overweight gay. Um and and and suddenly
[01:31:13] his personality begins to make sense. He
[01:31:15] does all these like fat, you know, like
[01:31:16] he's got these like fat ticks that fat
[01:31:19] people do to like get a bigger laugh
[01:31:20] than than than their wit would normally
[01:31:22] allow for, you know, you know what I
[01:31:24] mean? Like, and everybody and everybody
[01:31:26] laughs long anyway because they're fat.
[01:31:28] Uh, [laughter] you know, the fat people
[01:31:29] are just funny cuz they're fat. Uh, you
[01:31:31] know, and he's like he's he's like he
[01:31:32] acts like he's funny cuz he's fat, but
[01:31:34] he's not fat.
[01:31:34] >> You're talking about Cy Booker.
[01:31:36] >> Yeah.
[01:31:36] >> Yeah.
[01:31:37] >> So, just back back to the question
[01:31:39] though, is so is monogamy an expectation
[01:31:41] in a gay marriage?
[01:31:43] >> [laughter]
[01:31:43] >> I think well I think it's an aspiration.
[01:31:46] I think it's a I think it's a I think
[01:31:48] it's a stated ambition. Uh but
[01:31:50] [laughter]
[01:31:51] but you know like all ambitions you know
[01:31:53] we we we state something we know we can
[01:31:56] never reach because in grasping for it
[01:31:58] we we we you know we achieve greatness
[01:32:01] and so so maybe they only have sex with
[01:32:04] 20 people a year instead of 200. Um you
[01:32:06] know and that's that's gay that's that
[01:32:09] would be that would be gay fidelity.
[01:32:11] That would be good.
[01:32:12] >> Really?
[01:32:13] >> Oh, yeah.
[01:32:14] >> I'm not even I mean, maybe I'll tell
[01:32:15] you, but like because there's no woman
[01:32:17] there to enforce it. So, I've always
[01:32:18] Exactly. And the And normally no kids to
[01:32:21] the blah blah. How could you lose your
[01:32:23] children? Blah. This is why this is why
[01:32:24] living
[01:32:26] um this is why living on the DL in
[01:32:30] marriage with a woman is the optimum
[01:32:32] environment for a homosexual because all
[01:32:35] of the social cues are pushing them to
[01:32:37] do the what they know that they should
[01:32:39] be doing anyway, which is working on
[01:32:42] eradicating these disordered urges as
[01:32:45] the religious uh uh um um religious uh
[01:32:50] excavates would put it or or or um uh
[01:32:53] unwanted samesex attraction as the
[01:32:55] reparative therapists would have it. Um,
[01:32:59] whatever it is, all of the the the cues
[01:33:01] and the pressure is moving them in the
[01:33:03] right way. And so, no, I mean, that's
[01:33:05] that's it's good. Alan Turing, for God's
[01:33:08] sake, you know, was living like that.
[01:33:09] >> Who was Alan Turing, you know, the he
[01:33:12] was living like that
[01:33:13] >> and and they castrated him anyway, which
[01:33:15] seems a bit mean to me after the war
[01:33:16] after he after he'd won the war for
[01:33:18] them. It's like, okay, that's that's all
[01:33:19] brilliant, but we're going to chemically
[01:33:20] castrate your seemist to me. I was like,
[01:33:23] God was [laughter] like, "Oh, God. Can I
[01:33:24] let him crack one out after he won the
[01:33:26] bloody war for you?"
[01:33:29] God. All right. All right. So, Britain
[01:33:30] can Brits can be savage like that, you
[01:33:33] know?
[01:33:33] >> So, do you know um
[01:33:36] like the happiness level of people who
[01:33:39] are involved in like promiscuous gay
[01:33:42] sex? like what's it
[01:33:43] >> when you
[01:33:47] when you um live that kind of life,
[01:33:51] you're living you're living deep in
[01:33:53] profound denial and it comes from I read
[01:33:57] something in in maybe it's the Atlantic
[01:33:59] or or or Mother Jones, one of some of
[01:34:01] all places, you know, some leftwing gay
[01:34:03] guy who just wrote about this really
[01:34:05] beautifully. I'll try to find it in
[01:34:06] Twitter after this, but um he said when
[01:34:08] when when when homosexuals are young,
[01:34:11] they realize they have to put on
[01:34:12] different faces for different people. I
[01:34:14] guess the racial equivalent be code
[01:34:15] switching, right?
[01:34:16] >> Yeah. Um and they re and and the effect
[01:34:19] of this on a person who has disordered
[01:34:21] urges unlike someone who just happens to
[01:34:23] be black uh is that it begins to like
[01:34:26] create cracks and ultimately that turn
[01:34:28] into like shards in the personality like
[01:34:29] bits of the personality like burst ping
[01:34:31] ping off like a chandelier that the
[01:34:33] floor
[01:34:34] >> and it's so sad.
[01:34:36] >> Yeah. And it produces the space for
[01:34:38] profound denial of the type that most
[01:34:42] homosexual men find themselves in where
[01:34:45] that flooding of addictive urge is
[01:34:48] mistaken for healthy and normal sexual
[01:34:51] um uh attraction.
[01:34:54] And so
[01:34:56] I kind of stumbled when I when I looked
[01:34:59] into I just woke up one day and I was
[01:35:01] like and I was married to a dude
[01:35:04] to my shame and I who's now like the
[01:35:07] ex-wife from hell. My god. Um you know
[01:35:11] look if there's no other reason to like
[01:35:13] not be gay just imagine like how bad a
[01:35:16] black homosexual ex-wife is. [gasps]
[01:35:18] Like so I'm not I'm not even going to go
[01:35:21] there.
[01:35:23] You don't even want to know. It's like,
[01:35:24] "Oh, sorry. With two sports cars a year
[01:35:26] wasn't enough." Okay. All right. Okay.
[01:35:27] All right. Um, don't even. But, um,
[01:35:33] I when I woke up one day and I I woke up
[01:35:36] one day and I looked over and I was
[01:35:38] like, "Oh, no. I don't want to do this
[01:35:40] anymore. Like, hell is real. I don't
[01:35:41] want to go there." And it just hit me
[01:35:43] like all after it was growing, you know,
[01:35:45] a while. I was just like, "No, no, I
[01:35:46] really don't want to go there." And I
[01:35:48] no,
[01:35:50] um, what am I doing? And the way that I
[01:35:53] started to address this,
[01:35:57] I kind of stumbled upon a crude version
[01:36:00] of what the enlightened like they don't
[01:36:02] call it conversion therapy anymore. They
[01:36:03] call it reintegrative therapy. Um
[01:36:05] because it's reintegrating those shards
[01:36:07] and those and those broken and those
[01:36:08] broken bits of like memory that lead to
[01:36:10] the wrong output. We can talk in detail
[01:36:12] if you want to, but um I I I
[01:36:17] stumbled upon kind of like a crude
[01:36:18] version of that. So when I was trying to
[01:36:20] stop myself from doing this stuff, I was
[01:36:22] using like hot oil on my thighs. I was
[01:36:24] like doing things, you know, like like
[01:36:25] like
[01:36:27] that hurt and I was trying to rewire my
[01:36:31] brain
[01:36:33] cuz I read a lot of, you know,
[01:36:34] psychology, anthropology books and stuff
[01:36:35] like that. So I thought I thought I know
[01:36:36] sex urge is such a basic and powerful
[01:36:39] urge. It's got to be hard.
[01:36:40] >> I thought I knew what I was doing. So I
[01:36:41] was like, every time I get aroused, I'm
[01:36:43] going to go and do something that hurts,
[01:36:44] you know? And so I took the I took the
[01:36:47] um you know like paying my taxes. No. Uh
[01:36:50] you know I I [laughter]
[01:36:52] um you know like having sex with black
[01:36:54] people. Uh no no no. Um uh I I I I did
[01:36:58] something immediately to try to to to
[01:37:00] redo that. And there's there's a there's
[01:37:01] a much better way to do it. Uh which I
[01:37:03] can talk to you about.
[01:37:04] Um, I was I was I think I was
[01:37:08] recognizing in that that I had this
[01:37:13] that something had jumped the tracks in
[01:37:14] my brain, right? And I was having a a an
[01:37:18] incorrect response to a particular
[01:37:20] stimulus as a result of damage, trauma,
[01:37:23] whatever. And that um and that is a
[01:37:26] little bit like being a PTSD victim or
[01:37:28] or or some other kinds of sexual devian,
[01:37:31] right? Um, and that I I knew
[01:37:37] I knew that I could train my way out of
[01:37:39] it because at the same time I had been
[01:37:42] returning to the Catholic faith of my
[01:37:43] childhood. And I had been speaking to a
[01:37:47] dear friend. She's a very brilliant uh
[01:37:49] professor in Chicago. She's a um world's
[01:37:53] leading expert on marrying devotion in
[01:37:54] the middle ages. And she, you know, she
[01:37:56] was she was she was kind of like feeding
[01:37:58] me this rich material about, you know,
[01:37:59] training the soul in virtue and and and
[01:38:01] and and I was I was, okay, well, if I
[01:38:03] can do it about that cuz I'm getting
[01:38:05] pretty good at that, like what about
[01:38:07] this? And so I I did this stuff and and
[01:38:10] I and I I got myself as far as celibacy,
[01:38:13] which is where I I'm coming in January.
[01:38:14] It'll be 5 years. Um
[01:38:16] >> Oh, celibacy.
[01:38:17] >> Yeah.
[01:38:19] And the good thing about the male libido
[01:38:21] is the less you have, the less you want.
[01:38:24] uh which married men can tell you is
[01:38:26] this is the only reason they're still
[01:38:27] married. Um you know uh no it's like
[01:38:30] sugar though the more you eat the more
[01:38:31] you want.
[01:38:32] >> It is exactly like that. Why? Because
[01:38:33] it's an appetite not a sexual uh
[01:38:36] orientation. It's an appetite. It's an
[01:38:38] addiction.
[01:38:39] Um and the more that you have cocaine or
[01:38:42] aderall, the more that you are likely on
[01:38:44] a given Tuesday afternoon to be like,
[01:38:45] "Ooh, lime would be nice." Or, "Ooh, why
[01:38:47] don't I have a little little um little
[01:38:49] instant release 30 milligrams? That'll
[01:38:51] get me through the you know, um, it
[01:38:53] works the same, it functions the same,
[01:38:55] it is the same.
[01:38:56] >> I remember reading during the AIDS, uh,
[01:38:59] period about, you know, like the number
[01:39:00] of sexual partners a year, which is like
[01:39:03] crazy high. I think it's all banned.
[01:39:05] You're not allowed to talk about it
[01:39:06] anymore, but um,
[01:39:08] uh, and thinking, you know, if those
[01:39:10] were all like hot girls, would I want to
[01:39:12] sleep with 75? Probably. You wouldn't be
[01:39:14] able to get through it. Honestly, I
[01:39:16] don't think most straight men would. be
[01:39:17] like, "Yeah, you know, I mean, you
[01:39:19] [clears throat] know, men are obviously
[01:39:20] pigs and like variety and all."
[01:39:21] >> You hit on something real, which is that
[01:39:23] >> Well, I'm trying to be as honest as I
[01:39:25] can. I'm sure I'll be mocked for this,
[01:39:26] but I did wonder like if it's
[01:39:28] >> because there's something wrong with the
[01:39:29] act itself if you're doing with that
[01:39:31] many people, right?
[01:39:32] >> Yes. Now, there's a component of it
[01:39:35] where it's like the the women are
[01:39:37] setting up the friction there. They're
[01:39:40] the ones with the precious jewel, you
[01:39:43] know, that they're setting up barriers
[01:39:44] to, right? Men will put out like if if a
[01:39:47] man wants to have sex, like they're
[01:39:48] normally the person asking for the sex,
[01:39:49] right? They're normally the ones who are
[01:39:51] seeking the sex.
[01:39:53] >> Women normally the ones who are um I
[01:39:57] won't say withholding it, but uh
[01:39:58] regulating the access to it, let's say,
[01:40:00] as the enforcers,
[01:40:01] >> for sure.
[01:40:01] >> Um take that away and of course and put
[01:40:05] two men on there and you're like, well,
[01:40:06] if they both want it, they're both going
[01:40:07] to do it all the time.
[01:40:08] >> Of course.
[01:40:08] >> But that doesn't really explain the
[01:40:11] >> Exactly. That was my thought. It's like
[01:40:13] if there was no limit.
[01:40:15] >> If if good-looking women wanted to, this
[01:40:17] is my younger self thinking of this. If
[01:40:19] they wanted to sleep with me as much as
[01:40:21] I wanted to sleep with them,
[01:40:22] >> I still don't think I'd sleep with 75 of
[01:40:24] them in a year, cuz that sounds kind of
[01:40:25] gross.
[01:40:26] >> Well, I mean, by gay standards, that's
[01:40:28] um uh practically celibate.
[01:40:32] I mean, maybe not these days with the
[01:40:34] boring gays that adopt the children who
[01:40:36] don't have sex with each other and just
[01:40:37] molest the kids, but um but by by the
[01:40:41] old-fashioned
[01:40:42] gay standards of the taboo breaking
[01:40:45] promiscuous drug. I mean, look, I grew
[01:40:47] up in London, taking a lot of [ __ ]
[01:40:50] drugs, going to a lot of clubs, going to
[01:40:52] aa and then of course, you know, like in
[01:40:54] London you had a circuit of clubs, trade
[01:40:56] and beyond and and and uh DTPM at
[01:40:59] whatever. Um there was like a circuit
[01:41:01] every weekend. It was four continuous
[01:41:03] days, right, which you could only really
[01:41:04] do with drugs and and during that time
[01:41:07] stops off for sex. Um I mean 75 is like
[01:41:11] takes you up to February
[01:41:14] actually. I mean I probably was a lot
[01:41:16] worse than usual and I group scenarios
[01:41:18] and whatever, but yeah, I mean
[01:41:22] it doesn't fully explain the grotesque
[01:41:24] extent. And by the way, it's always the
[01:41:26] the gay couples that are basically
[01:41:28] lesbians that live sterile like they
[01:41:30] live these like sexless lives who are
[01:41:32] incensed when you dare to talk about gay
[01:41:34] promiscuity. It's not because gay
[01:41:35] promiscuity doesn't exist, it's because
[01:41:37] they don't have access to it. Um uh but
[01:41:39] most gays do. And
[01:41:43] what what we what we are thinking about
[01:41:45] in our in our hypothetical example of of
[01:41:47] of two men doesn't explain the full
[01:41:50] grotesque extent of it. And it's because
[01:41:53] there is something unsatisfying about
[01:41:54] gay sex.
[01:41:56] Um,
[01:41:57] >> well, that was my assumption.
[01:41:59] >> And and you're correct. And it's it's
[01:42:00] it's
[01:42:04] so so Catholic natural law and and and
[01:42:08] the way that low therapies work, they
[01:42:09] start with this presumption that things
[01:42:11] are working properly when they are
[01:42:14] performing the function for which they
[01:42:15] were designed.
[01:42:16] >> Yes.
[01:42:16] >> Right.
[01:42:17] Clearly a an erect member going into the
[01:42:21] wrong orifice is not doing um is not
[01:42:25] performing the function for which it was
[01:42:26] designed. Right? So sex that ends that
[01:42:28] way too cannot possibly be satisfying.
[01:42:31] It's not permissible uh spiritually. It
[01:42:34] it's not satisfying physically. So if
[01:42:36] you take Catholic church teaching for
[01:42:38] instance just
[01:42:38] >> no I think that's real and that's true
[01:42:40] for eating and it's true for beauty and
[01:42:42] it's true for the sex is sterile. No,
[01:42:44] but every pleasure that's like a
[01:42:47] righteous pleasure satisfies you.
[01:42:49] >> Yeah. Only 15 of them, right?
[01:42:51] >> But like justice feels good. You know,
[01:42:53] when you see somebody wicked get the
[01:42:54] comeuppants and you're like, "Yeah." And
[01:42:56] that feels like a lot of that feels it
[01:42:59] feels a little like um uh as you say,
[01:43:01] righteous pleasures. Um all of which
[01:43:05] tend toward the kind of satisfaction
[01:43:07] that you uh that a lot of people
[01:43:09] describe getting um in holy communion.
[01:43:12] >> It's filling,
[01:43:13] >> right? It is filling. It is filling.
[01:43:14] That little wafer is very filling,
[01:43:16] right? Um the further you get away from
[01:43:18] that, the less satisfying things are by
[01:43:21] volume. If you like that tiny little
[01:43:23] wafer, which is complete, you feel like
[01:43:26] you don't need to
[01:43:29] feel, eat, drink, think, pray anything
[01:43:33] else the rest of your whole life. You
[01:43:34] just feel like perfect in that moment
[01:43:35] like like you have because you are just
[01:43:37] in that brief moment in dialogue with
[01:43:40] with our Lord in in some fashion
[01:43:44] and you're like
[01:43:47] that's my Sunday vibes, you know, like
[01:43:49] whatever it is. And it's not until
[01:43:50] Monday morning that life kind of comes
[01:43:51] comes back at you. The further you get
[01:43:53] away from that, the more stuff you need
[01:43:55] to approach the same level of
[01:43:56] satisfaction. Think about like um uh uh
[01:44:00] the the fake sugar you have, right? Uh
[01:44:02] over here. um the the the cornstarch,
[01:44:05] whatever it's called, how much Hershey's
[01:44:07] chocolate you have to eat to feel the
[01:44:09] same as two squares of Capri,
[01:44:11] >> right?
[01:44:12] >> Or how many Reese's Peanut Butter Cups
[01:44:14] equals a steak.
[01:44:15] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
[01:44:16] >> Well, I really noticed that. I mean, by
[01:44:18] the way, you you know, Halloween candy,
[01:44:20] you can I don't know. I don't know much
[01:44:22] about calories, but you could eat like
[01:44:23] millions of calories, but you can't eat
[01:44:26] six pounds of steak. It's just not
[01:44:27] possible. But the point is that not the
[01:44:29] sugar is bad necessarily,
[01:44:31] >> but that um
[01:44:33] >> this fake sugar that has that waxy taste
[01:44:36] that's not really you need so much more
[01:44:37] of it to feel satisfied to get your
[01:44:39] sugar hit.
[01:44:39] >> That is totally right.
[01:44:40] >> And in so doing, you have so many more
[01:44:42] calories,
[01:44:43] >> right? And you start to get fat and uh
[01:44:47] and and and then then then you need not
[01:44:49] just six Cokes but eight Cokes a day
[01:44:51] instead of one. Like so so
[01:44:55] >> homosexual sex is sterile. It's not
[01:44:57] capable of leading to production, excuse
[01:45:00] me, of procreation, right? You cannot
[01:45:02] make a baby with gay sex. It is
[01:45:05] spiritually unsatisfying in addition to
[01:45:07] being and of course these two things are
[01:45:08] connected, physically unsatisfying too.
[01:45:11] And when you start to think about like
[01:45:16] everything working performing the
[01:45:18] function for which it was designed like
[01:45:20] doing that for which it was intended you
[01:45:23] start to realize why gay sex is like is
[01:45:25] is is not hitting you know and this is
[01:45:28] the basis this is the start this is
[01:45:30] where the therapy begins it begins
[01:45:32] >> can I just ask you one extra question
[01:45:33] before you describe how your life has
[01:45:35] changed and
[01:45:36] >> I don't mean to rush on to that no no
[01:45:37] I'm fascinated by it but I I just find
[01:45:39] it so interesting. So, so you spent like
[01:45:41] an hour and 20 minutes describing the
[01:45:43] hell that you lived. You thought it was
[01:45:44] hellish.
[01:45:45] >> Mhm.
[01:45:46] >> You left. Um,
[01:45:49] and you, it [clears throat] sounds like
[01:45:50] you feel better and certainly resolved.
[01:45:53] >> Yeah.
[01:45:54] >> But you're not encouraged to feel that
[01:45:55] way. Like there's something about the
[01:45:57] life that you live that's treated like a
[01:46:00] gang initiation or something like you
[01:46:01] can check in but you can never leave.
[01:46:03] Like you're not welcome to leave. Well,
[01:46:05] just look at the comments you get like
[01:46:06] um forgive the language, but um under
[01:46:10] every post that I will make online or
[01:46:12] every every you know, on the rare
[01:46:14] occasion I I might say something about
[01:46:16] this in an interview, one phrase keeps
[01:46:19] popping up over and over again in the
[01:46:20] comments. You can't unsuck a dick.
[01:46:24] Meaning, there's no salvation for you
[01:46:26] once you're gay. You're gay. You're gay.
[01:46:28] You're homosexual.
[01:46:30] >> That's it.
[01:46:30] >> Who's pushing that? the stain that that
[01:46:33] leaves, right, which is profoundly
[01:46:35] uncchristian. I mean, we think about
[01:46:36] Isaiah, right? You know, your sins may
[01:46:38] be scarlet, but they'll be washed white
[01:46:39] as snow. Um, but Saul became Paul,
[01:46:42] >> right? Doesn't exist for these people.
[01:46:44] And it's often leftist, but not always.
[01:46:48] Um,
[01:46:49] insisting on this per the permanence of
[01:46:52] this stain. And it's there's more to it
[01:46:54] than merely just
[01:46:56] uh I hate you and I want you to hurt or
[01:46:58] you're doing something stupid or
[01:46:59] whatever. It's it's it's there's
[01:47:01] something more going on and it's
[01:47:05] people are terrified by the idea that
[01:47:10] this might not be an intrinsic
[01:47:14] part of a person's personality or
[01:47:16] nature.
[01:47:17] >> Why why are they afraid of that? I
[01:47:19] thought we were for personal choice.
[01:47:21] Well, we're all a bit afraid of that,
[01:47:22] aren't we? cuz we're all kind of like,
[01:47:24] you know, we see other people who are
[01:47:26] are um doing well in life or who have
[01:47:28] got themselves out of a sticky situation
[01:47:31] or, you know, who left their phone on
[01:47:33] the table when they went to the bathroom
[01:47:34] in the break um or or whatever
[01:47:37] [laughter]
[01:47:37] and and who um
[01:47:40] and who
[01:47:42] lash out against others who do seem to
[01:47:44] be achieving something redemptive.
[01:47:48] And isn't it true that one of those
[01:47:51] characterizations of the demons is that
[01:47:53] they're you know in the presence of the
[01:47:55] light in the presence of good of the
[01:47:57] word of God they hiss and spit right and
[01:48:01] it's not necessarily these people are
[01:48:02] gay themselves but they they to confront
[01:48:06] the horror that a gay person might be
[01:48:09] able to ungay means that whatever
[01:48:12] whatever you've got going in your life
[01:48:14] you could fix easy you know like but you
[01:48:16] don't want to do you you don't want to
[01:48:17] get better you want to stop. Cuz if he
[01:48:20] can stop having sex with men,
[01:48:24] knowing what a powerful compulsion urge
[01:48:27] that is for most men, you know, that
[01:48:29] might mean I have to stop drinking. That
[01:48:31] might mean I have to stop taking drugs.
[01:48:33] That might mean I have to stop being a
[01:48:35] fat ass. That might mean I have to stop
[01:48:37] being cruel, being vindictive, abusive,
[01:48:40] malicious. Uh and I think that part of
[01:48:43] it is certainly
[01:48:45] that we have become a society that
[01:48:48] encourages
[01:48:50] vice over virtue that aggressively
[01:48:52] pushes sin. Yes. Why? Because dumb,
[01:48:57] dependent people are easier to control.
[01:49:00] Because dumb, dependent people living
[01:49:02] paycheck to paycheck, enslaved not only
[01:49:04] to and we and we live in a particularly
[01:49:07] evil um uh uh uh uh environment now
[01:49:12] where we're not just enslaved to things,
[01:49:14] we're enslaved to the mechanisms by
[01:49:16] which we get them. Compound interest,
[01:49:18] you know, uh uh you know, our our car
[01:49:20] payments, all this kind of stuff.
[01:49:22] 50-year mortgages. Yeah, thanks Trump.
[01:49:24] uh how many years of that are we just
[01:49:26] paying down the interest before we own a
[01:49:27] brick in the house? You know, um we're
[01:49:30] now enslaved to these these like meta
[01:49:32] addictions or these additional layers of
[01:49:34] of problem which mean that we can't even
[01:49:36] do anything about our lives cuz one
[01:49:37] missed paycheck and we're you know um we
[01:49:40] can't do anything. We can't do anything
[01:49:42] about it because we're locked in from
[01:49:43] every single angle into our addictions,
[01:49:46] into our compulsions, into the bad food
[01:49:49] that we eat at the supermarket because
[01:49:50] it's cheap and the um and the TV we
[01:49:52] watch we know we shouldn't and the video
[01:49:54] games that are fine by themselves but
[01:49:55] which you know 20 hours 20 hours over
[01:49:57] the weekend like that's a lot, bro. Uh
[01:49:59] you know, just all this stuff and it's
[01:50:01] packaged and it's pushed and it's
[01:50:03] encouraged and just look at the
[01:50:04] sponsors. I looked at the sponsors of um
[01:50:09] Jimmy Kimmel's show when he was taken
[01:50:11] off the air and it's donuts and banks.
[01:50:16] Look at the sponsors of Jimmy Kimmel
[01:50:17] show and you're like, "Oh my god." Like
[01:50:20] these are evil, wretched, terrible
[01:50:22] people who just want you fat, stupid,
[01:50:25] and quiet.
[01:50:27] There's no question in my mind you're
[01:50:29] telling the truth.
[01:50:30] >> It's too obvious. We want you dumb
[01:50:32] independent. And do you think the
[01:50:34] relentless promotion of homosexuality is
[01:50:37] part of that? Because it is relentlessly
[01:50:39] tirelessly promoted. Period. Anyone says
[01:50:42] it's not a liar.
[01:50:43] >> What is more incapacitating?
[01:50:45] >> What is more incapacitating? Having no
[01:50:46] control over your own sexual desires.
[01:50:48] And just look at how comfy
[01:50:51] capitalism has made itself with
[01:50:53] homosexuals. Like, oh, you've got no
[01:50:56] kids. Well, perhaps you'd like these
[01:50:57] designer clothes, you know? [laughter]
[01:50:59] Oh, you don't have any dependence? Well,
[01:51:00] maybe you'd like to spend way more than
[01:51:02] you should on this cruise, you know, or
[01:51:04] or or what what I mean, a boat cruise.
[01:51:06] Uh, you know, uh, oh, you you you you um
[01:51:09] uh all your disposable income is yours
[01:51:11] to spend. Well, um, perhaps you'd like
[01:51:13] to try. Would we do you have a special
[01:51:14] uh this evening, sir? Um, [laughter]
[01:51:16] like our our pan roasted blah blah blah
[01:51:19] blah blah blah. Um, you know, the the
[01:51:21] the the used to call it the pink pound
[01:51:23] in England. this um uh disproportionate
[01:51:27] ability of gays to spend which has a a
[01:51:29] reinforcing effect. It's like a like a
[01:51:32] like a um uh I don't know the economic
[01:51:34] term, but you probably do. It has like a
[01:51:36] a magnifying or or or or um a fortifying
[01:51:40] effect because of course gays spend
[01:51:41] more, so you market more to gays, so you
[01:51:43] get more, you know, so you get more of
[01:51:44] them. Um and then other people begin to
[01:51:47] acquire gay taste, which has happened to
[01:51:49] women and is now happening to men. um
[01:51:51] because it's seen as a prestige or a
[01:51:53] luxury or a or a desirable kind of
[01:51:55] lifestyle. So you see men as the um uh
[01:51:58] charming uh ladies of YouTube would tell
[01:52:00] us um who are are are acquiring gay
[01:52:04] habits and get I mean like soul cycle
[01:52:06] for I mean please uh [laughter] like
[01:52:09] what are these people doing? It's like
[01:52:11] you're in like her and you want me to
[01:52:12] see your ass. Got it. Cuz this is doing
[01:52:14] nothing. [laughter]
[01:52:16] >> What other gay habits are men acquiring?
[01:52:19] Uh definitely. Um uh food, which I mean
[01:52:23] like
[01:52:24] if you're
[01:52:26] if you're a chap. So I was in the hotel
[01:52:28] last night um as I was thinking about
[01:52:30] the show and I looked at the menu and I
[01:52:32] was like there's nothing on here for
[01:52:34] men.
[01:52:36] It was all these like seafood um uh a
[01:52:40] bit but hand whatever. And the guy that
[01:52:42] was serving me had a huge ginger beard.
[01:52:45] Um God bless him. And and I said, "You
[01:52:48] don't eat here." And and he said,
[01:52:50] "Well," and I said, "You don't eat here.
[01:52:52] Where do you eat?" And he said, "Okay,
[01:52:53] fine." And I said, "Is there anything on
[01:52:55] here that you would eat aside from
[01:52:56] this?" Uh, and it didn't say how big the
[01:52:58] fillet was, but I was like, "What is it?
[01:52:59] 6 ounces. What do you need four of
[01:53:01] those?" And he was like, "Yeah."
[01:53:03] [laughter]
[01:53:05] You work like, "You wouldn't eat
[01:53:07] anything because there's nothing for men
[01:53:08] on the menu." Cuz it's all this like
[01:53:09] airy, fairy, unsatisfying, calorier,
[01:53:12] full of like, you know, flavor, but no
[01:53:15] protein food for girls.
[01:53:18] All food for girls. Look at the menu in
[01:53:19] your favorite restaurant. Look at the
[01:53:20] menu in every restaurant. There's no
[01:53:22] food for men on it. I mean, like, where
[01:53:25] [laughter] where is it? Uh even even
[01:53:27] like a heroic meat like lamb.
[01:53:31] It's like $78 for this little this
[01:53:34] little like
[01:53:36] thanks. Thanks so much. What is that?
[01:53:39] That's not man food. So food for sure. I
[01:53:42] mean clothing. Let's not even um uh uh
[01:53:47] sexual habits. Women uh have become
[01:53:50] pagotized by by the promiscuity culture
[01:53:52] that their gay best friends um you know
[01:53:54] like to to sort of have a nudge and a
[01:53:56] wink kind of relationship with. Like,
[01:53:58] oh, I don't do it, but who's this? Oh,
[01:54:00] just Jamal. [laughter]
[01:54:02] You know, um uh who's this? That's not
[01:54:06] the guy that you were with like 3 days
[01:54:07] ago. Quiet girl. Um sorry about her. You
[01:54:10] know, like just all that kind of stuff.
[01:54:12] Um and and and men just the the way in
[01:54:15] which the self-destructive
[01:54:20] um sacrifice [laughter]
[01:54:22] the the the relinquishment of of of the
[01:54:25] will to the most addictive version of
[01:54:29] everything. It's very gay. Very gay.
[01:54:32] >> The most addictive version
[01:54:33] >> version of everything. So, like if gay
[01:54:35] sex is like addiction where it just
[01:54:37] floods your mind with like the chemicals
[01:54:40] where you can't get it out of your head
[01:54:41] like we were talking about right at the
[01:54:42] beginning, right?
[01:54:43] >> Well, the food has become like that and
[01:54:45] the clothes have become like that and
[01:54:47] and the you know like men buying
[01:54:49] designer clothes has always been a bit
[01:54:51] sus to me.
[01:54:51] >> Oh, I totally agree. Like I'm I mean I
[01:54:53] [clears throat] do it because I'm like
[01:54:55] I've got about another 3 years where I
[01:54:56] can still get away with this and then
[01:54:57] I'm going to have to just be straight.
[01:54:59] [laughter]
[01:55:01] Well, I can still do it, you know, and
[01:55:03] then I'm going to have to find like some
[01:55:04] some like uh I'm going to have to find
[01:55:06] my own nudge and a wink thing like oh no
[01:55:08] they're not they're arolano. Oh, that's
[01:55:10] the it's the um it's the late Pope
[01:55:12] Benedict the 16th uh favorite shoemaker
[01:55:14] from you fagotage you know [laughter]
[01:55:17] stop it you know I have to give all this
[01:55:19] up but um but somebody's been
[01:55:22] heterosexual all their life like what
[01:55:23] are you doing in Dior well I mean they
[01:55:26] only make shoes I think no no there's
[01:55:28] male deal now what are you doing it's
[01:55:29] Chanel that doesn't do men's clothes um
[01:55:31] what are you doing in Dolingabana what
[01:55:32] are you doing in Versace why are you
[01:55:34] spending $1,000 on a pair of shoes that
[01:55:37] is not like a like a tactical ical or a
[01:55:41] and even that stuff. Oh my god. Like the
[01:55:43] the faggotization of like the the of the
[01:55:47] you know you can go now you can go to
[01:55:48] crypek and you can get the um Versace of
[01:55:50] camo. uh [laughter]
[01:55:53] like which which their sales people will
[01:55:55] even call it that not on the website cuz
[01:55:56] men don't like that but but [laughter]
[01:55:58] like there's now like designer camo uh
[01:56:01] where like I mean I know I have it but
[01:56:03] uh [laughter] but but you know uh
[01:56:08] fagotized fagotized everything is look
[01:56:10] at the consumer choice who's making
[01:56:11] these decisions women and we and we have
[01:56:13] this is women women in the marketing
[01:56:15] departments women in the in the
[01:56:16] advertising women on social media
[01:56:18] everything's going gay and and and and
[01:56:19] and
[01:56:21] It's justified. And just same with the
[01:56:22] pink pound is self-reinforcing. This
[01:56:24] thing we always say, "Oh, women make
[01:56:26] most of the purchasing decisions in most
[01:56:27] houses." Shut up. Like, doesn't mean
[01:56:29] every man has to go out looking like he
[01:56:31] wants to drop on his knees in a in a in
[01:56:33] a um in in a public park or in a toilet
[01:56:36] just because just because his wife
[01:56:37] chooses what washing powder they use.
[01:56:40] Like, stop it.
[01:56:43] Everything has gone gay. Everything's
[01:56:45] gone. I mean, just just just every bit
[01:56:47] of life. I mean, music um I mean, now we
[01:56:49] now we force heterosexuals to listen to
[01:56:51] Lil Nas X um you know, and and and and
[01:56:54] this sort of uh um you know, endless
[01:56:57] turnover of of um of of pining
[01:56:59] homosexual kuners um that we call pop
[01:57:02] stars. There aren't any anymore because
[01:57:04] um pop stars require a kind of like
[01:57:07] heroic manly virtue. I think that is
[01:57:09] just just gone now. It's just not there
[01:57:11] anymore.
[01:57:11] >> So, if you wanted to weaken a society to
[01:57:13] the point of collapse,
[01:57:14] >> fagotize it.
[01:57:16] It's not feminization. That's a that's a
[01:57:18] mistake to believe that. It's not
[01:57:20] society is not becoming feminized. It's
[01:57:22] becoming faggotized.
[01:57:24] It's become it's it's it has been gay,
[01:57:28] you know, and it's um
[01:57:31] and and and it's it's like the
[01:57:33] difference between epheminacy and
[01:57:35] femininity, right? You look carefully at
[01:57:38] the behaviors. It's like it might have
[01:57:39] started off feminized like you said, oh,
[01:57:41] the HR departments have kind of like
[01:57:43] feminized language in the corporate
[01:57:44] sphere and blah blah. It might have
[01:57:46] started that way, but the gays took over
[01:57:48] very soon afterwards. And so now we
[01:57:50] don't have a feminized public square. We
[01:57:52] have a faggotized public square. And
[01:57:54] it's hardly surprising given that
[01:57:56] everybody in Congress and everybody in
[01:57:57] the Senate and everybody in the party
[01:57:58] and everybody on TV and everybody else
[01:58:00] that you've ever heard of on television
[01:58:02] and everybody on all the TV shows are
[01:58:04] gay. [laughter] It's not a shocker. uh
[01:58:07] that this would be the result because
[01:58:08] even if they might be living
[01:58:11] um
[01:58:13] uh uh DL lives, they still like what
[01:58:16] they like and they're still going to do
[01:58:18] it. Oh yes, let's have that little
[01:58:20] cocktail, you know, like they still do
[01:58:21] it. You see at DC like these these men
[01:58:24] in DC like drinking their little
[01:58:25] champagnes and things and so when you
[01:58:28] are I mean a lot of this it's like
[01:58:30] walking into a room full of women and
[01:58:32] there's all this stuff going on but you
[01:58:33] have no idea what it [laughter] is. a a
[01:58:36] daily occurrence for me. But um you know
[01:58:38] something's going on but you you know
[01:58:40] you don't quite get the right the wrong
[01:58:42] frequency.
[01:58:42] >> You're not recognizing it because it's
[01:58:44] not feminine because you'd recognize it
[01:58:45] if it was feminine. You'd know what you
[01:58:46] were looking at.
[01:58:47] >> But when you go to Washington when you
[01:58:49] were
[01:58:49] >> flitting around Washington as a when
[01:58:52] what was your dangerous [ __ ] tour? Is
[01:58:54] that what it was called?
[01:58:54] >> Yes. And I think I think the verb would
[01:58:56] be flit or
[01:58:57] >> perhaps flounce.
[01:59:00] >> There was some flouncing. I I saw it. Um
[01:59:02] >> there was there was a bit of flouncing.
[01:59:03] >> Do you know the funny story? um a
[01:59:05] perfect sorry to cut you off again. I've
[01:59:06] been doing the whole day, but um uh a
[01:59:08] perfect illustration of the fagotization
[01:59:11] of society. I'm my bus, my giant
[01:59:13] dangerous flag bus is in a parking lot
[01:59:16] um just outside Washington DC and um uh
[01:59:20] Mike Pence's advanced team are planning
[01:59:22] to put him in the same hotel and they
[01:59:24] have to change hotel. Yeah. No, stop.
[01:59:26] But they have to change I mean he's like
[01:59:28] spiritually gay for sure but but he had
[01:59:30] to change hotels and divert his I mean
[01:59:32] this is the the you know this is the the
[01:59:34] incoming vice president of United States
[01:59:35] right uh to make way for the [ __ ]
[01:59:40] >> Just saying it wasn't like
[01:59:43] >> the first time
[01:59:43] >> they could
[01:59:44] >> they could have come to me and said
[01:59:46] would you mind because we have like the
[01:59:47] the the vice president-elect like
[01:59:50] whatever or or coming in this is 2017 so
[01:59:52] he is the vice president by then. um uh
[01:59:54] uh you know, we have the vice president,
[01:59:56] you know, coming through like would you
[01:59:57] and we would have said, "Yeah, sure.
[01:59:58] We'll we'll we'll you know, we'll go to
[02:00:00] the we'll go to the residents in." Um
[02:00:02] but no, they just they just changed all
[02:00:04] of his plans, not mine, to make way to
[02:00:06] make space for the [ __ ] Perfect
[02:00:09] analogy, isn't it?
[02:00:10] >> Perfect. But you picked up that vibe a
[02:00:12] lot when you're in Washington.
[02:00:13] >> Oh my god, the number of people who
[02:00:15] Sorry,
[02:00:17] you told me you don't help people. Um
[02:00:19] no, I think allegations have been
[02:00:21] roundly disproven, haven't they? Um, no,
[02:00:23] but you know, the number of people who
[02:00:25] would just I mean they didn't quite say
[02:00:26] hop on my lamp, but
[02:00:29] >> So you I mean cuz you're on that
[02:00:31] wavelength.
[02:00:32] >> Well, 10 years ago I was very beautiful
[02:00:34] and uh I didn't notice. Um No, of course
[02:00:37] you didn't notice. Been been upset about
[02:00:41] it [laughter] ever since.
[02:00:45] Um Tucker never said I was No. Um uh no,
[02:00:48] I was I was very good-looking. you know,
[02:00:50] I was in shape and all was the rest of
[02:00:51] it. And and and and now I mean, it was
[02:00:53] it was it was like a daily avalanche.
[02:00:56] >> Like really never needed to visit
[02:00:57] Niagara Falls. I just like it was like
[02:01:01] I've got a I've got I've got a giant
[02:01:03] torrent coming. But let me let me I
[02:01:05] won't finish that metaphor. But um no,
[02:01:07] just just just No, it's like a torrent
[02:01:09] was. So, how has your life changed
[02:01:11] dayto-day now that you're celibate and
[02:01:15] getting away from
[02:01:17] trying to over overcome your gay sexual
[02:01:20] impulses?
[02:01:22] >> I don't really have them anymore. Not
[02:01:23] not not often. Um,
[02:01:28] my life is so so I've learned
[02:01:32] well the first thing to say is that dogs
[02:01:33] have stopped barking at me.
[02:01:35] >> What?
[02:01:35] >> Um, I mean, I used to set dogs off. like
[02:01:39] really set dogs off. Like they would go
[02:01:41] crazy around me and when I Yeah. Yeah.
[02:01:44] >> with hostility or affection.
[02:01:46] >> I mean, they can sense evil, you know.
[02:01:47] Um my spiritual I can only tell this
[02:01:51] joke because it's my spiritual director
[02:01:52] that said it.
[02:01:55] I said, "Do you think it's cuz they can
[02:01:56] sense evil?" He said, "No, it's cuz you
[02:01:58] don't smell like blacks anymore."
[02:01:59] [laughter]
[02:02:03] Look, the priest said it. Um,
[02:02:06] >> let the record reflect I'm not laughing.
[02:02:08] Uh, you know, dogs have dog dogs dogs
[02:02:10] have a famous complex relationship with
[02:02:12] with with certain people. Um,
[02:02:16] uh, I'm sure that's not what it was, but
[02:02:17] but, um, maybe. No, but but, um, you
[02:02:21] know, the biggest thing that happened to
[02:02:22] me
[02:02:24] Wait, can I stop? Did dogs literally is
[02:02:26] Are you being serious about dogs?
[02:02:27] >> 100% serious. I mean, like, there's two
[02:02:29] photos of me like snuggling with puppies
[02:02:31] like, "Okay, you got me." But other than
[02:02:33] that, almost every other dog like would
[02:02:35] just go nuts anywhere around me. Uh my
[02:02:37] my I I I set up a loving firm last year
[02:02:40] with a friend and and um and her dogs
[02:02:43] just went ape anytime I was even in the
[02:02:45] vicinity until I started making these
[02:02:49] changes and then it was like
[02:02:52] and now they're like it's it's it's
[02:02:55] bizarre. I I mean I'm a cat person now
[02:02:58] cuz I kind of have to be but but um but
[02:03:01] I'm a great lover of dogs. Like I think
[02:03:03] you are too. um a great lover of dogs
[02:03:06] and you know what they lack in
[02:03:08] intellectual sophistication versus their
[02:03:11] feline compatriots. They make up for in
[02:03:13] like intuition, you know. Yes, they do.
[02:03:15] They like they're like babies. They're
[02:03:16] like they got a little holy spirit in
[02:03:17] them or something. They're just like
[02:03:18] they know good guys from bad guys. Dogs
[02:03:20] just couldn't be around me.
[02:03:22] >> That's amazing.
[02:03:23] >> I sure not all all gay people have that
[02:03:25] the thing. But but it's just just a sign
[02:03:27] of something that changed. The biggest
[02:03:28] thing that changed for me though, which
[02:03:30] is not like a big the biggest thing to
[02:03:32] me because I live quite an internal
[02:03:33] life, you know, like most of my most of
[02:03:34] my life is up here, right? Um
[02:03:37] the biggest thing that happened to me is
[02:03:39] I started caring what happened in
[02:03:40] stories. Like spoilers started to bother
[02:03:43] me and I couldn't figure out what that
[02:03:45] was about. Um
[02:03:48] like 10 years ago when the a Star Wars
[02:03:50] movie came out just before Christmas
[02:03:51] when no one had had the chance to see
[02:03:53] it, I tweeted Han Solo dies. Uh you
[02:03:55] know, like a thousand people unfollowed
[02:03:57] me. How could you? Ah, you know, you're
[02:03:59] the worst person. I was like, what are
[02:04:01] you talking about? It's like a stupid
[02:04:02] space movie. Like, get a grip. But I
[02:04:05] started to care. Maybe because I started
[02:04:06] to care what happens to me.
[02:04:09] I've started to care what happens in
[02:04:10] stories. Like, the plot matters. I'm no
[02:04:13] longer just looking at the surface at
[02:04:15] the um well, at the surfaces in in it.
[02:04:18] I'm not looking at the dresses on the
[02:04:20] women or the accents or or or at least
[02:04:24] not just looking at those things
[02:04:25] anymore. Like I want to know that the
[02:04:26] story has a happy ending
[02:04:30] because I think you know cleaving to my
[02:04:32] faith more closely I've become more
[02:04:34] aware that the universe has a happy
[02:04:36] ending and I want a happy ending
[02:04:40] and that's the biggest thing that's
[02:04:41] happened to me like in my in my head in
[02:04:43] my soul you know.
[02:04:45] >> Did you not care about yourself as much?
[02:04:47] >> No, of course not. Of course not. But
[02:04:49] I've gone from
[02:04:51] I went from somebody who liked Oscar
[02:04:53] Wild because I liked the witty lines and
[02:04:56] the sparkling surface of it to somebody
[02:04:59] who appreciates
[02:05:02] instead now
[02:05:04] or at least reads it differently now for
[02:05:06] the for the subversion for the the
[02:05:08] little eddies in language he uses which
[02:05:10] are are meant to to to show you know
[02:05:12] that this this kind of like
[02:05:13] disintegrating way of life. And I and I
[02:05:15] read it historically now history like I
[02:05:19] never read history books because nothing
[02:05:21] mattered before or after. It's just like
[02:05:24] today cuz I'm in a grip of an addiction.
[02:05:26] But now I read biographies. I never did
[02:05:28] that before. Um
[02:05:29] >> well cuz a narcissist doesn't care about
[02:05:31] other people's lives.
[02:05:32] >> Right. But I knew I knew stuff but I
[02:05:34] didn't like I didn't want to know
[02:05:35] details. And I and I now I feel I mean
[02:05:39] MyersBriggs is a lot of old [ __ ] but but
[02:05:41] I'm like my my personality type such as
[02:05:44] it is is completely changed and I don't
[02:05:47] know exactly
[02:05:48] >> really.
[02:05:49] >> Yeah. I mean I know I look and sound
[02:05:51] like pretty similar but the way that I
[02:05:54] cuz I have the same sense of humor like
[02:05:55] I have some bits of personality that I
[02:05:57] have but the way that I acquire
[02:05:59] information has changed. like I like
[02:06:02] I forget the distinctions because it is
[02:06:03] a letter ship but but you know like the
[02:06:05] intuitive to the sensory or whatever it
[02:06:07] feels feels now like I can
[02:06:12] >> I feel more in tune now like before
[02:06:15] there was kind of like a sheet of glass
[02:06:17] like some critical ironic distance
[02:06:18] between me and the world where I didn't
[02:06:20] really want to engage with it you know
[02:06:22] >> and now I'm like I want to grab the wood
[02:06:24] sorry I'll rephrase that um I [laughter]
[02:06:27] want to like now I want to grab a
[02:06:28] different kind of no I I I want to I
[02:06:30] want to like know what it's made of and
[02:06:32] where it's from and and and look at it
[02:06:34] and think about it and and like so this
[02:06:37] is how you ended up, huh? You know, you
[02:06:39] know, like like that that didn't used to
[02:06:41] occur to me at all. I'd just be like,
[02:06:43] "Yeah, it's cool. I love the aesthetic.
[02:06:44] It's really nice. I love what you're
[02:06:45] going. What is this shabby chic?" You
[02:06:48] know, and I just wouldn't know. Um and
[02:06:50] now I'm just like, "This is alive. This
[02:06:52] is like it it like I now I get I didn't
[02:06:55] get when you first started I was like
[02:06:57] like this about the set and now I'm
[02:06:58] like, "No, no, no, no, no.
[02:07:00] Now,
[02:07:00] >> so you were a prisoner of ironic
[02:07:02] detachment.
[02:07:02] >> Yeah. Yeah. Like this this kind of like
[02:07:05] everything's got to be meta,
[02:07:06] everything's got to be whatever because
[02:07:07] I was afraid of engaging with the
[02:07:09] material critically.
[02:07:10] >> Yes.
[02:07:10] >> And authentically, you know.
[02:07:12] >> Um I was afraid of engaging with the
[02:07:13] material and and and now I'm not.
[02:07:15] >> Can I just say, can I just brag
[02:07:17] indirectly?
[02:07:18] >> Mhm.
[02:07:19] >> Even when you were I first met you in
[02:07:21] the green room at some Fox show years
[02:07:22] ago, many years ago [clears throat]
[02:07:25] >> and you were in full
[02:07:27] >> full [ __ ] Yeah.
[02:07:28] >> Yeah. So ridiculous.
[02:07:29] >> It was a lot. It was a lot
[02:07:30] >> parody of parody of a gay man.
[02:07:33] >> Yeah.
[02:07:33] >> I thought I thought you were deep
[02:07:35] anyway. I I could see that in you.
[02:07:37] >> Sorry, not bragging.
[02:07:38] >> I always thought that.
[02:07:40] >> I mean, it was a compliment to both of
[02:07:41] us while [laughter]
[02:07:43] >> No, but I I perceive that.
[02:07:45] >> Now when I do gay things, I do it in
[02:07:46] like a Margaret Thatcher accent cuz now
[02:07:48] it's not really me anymore, you know?
[02:07:49] Like it was a compliment.
[02:07:50] >> No, I saw that though. I saw that
[02:07:52] instantly like first day. I remember we
[02:07:54] were Yeah, I remember exactly where we
[02:07:55] were standing.
[02:07:55] >> But but when you see somebody that way,
[02:07:57] I mean, they're they're There are gay
[02:07:58] people who are not deep, you know, um,
[02:08:00] uh, Dave Rubin, you know, people just
[02:08:03] >> there's no one shallower.
[02:08:04] >> There's no there there's nobody behind.
[02:08:06] There's nobody behind there. It's just
[02:08:08] that
[02:08:09] >> and you read his book, you know, you
[02:08:10] read his book and it's like Candace made
[02:08:12] me read his book.
[02:08:14] >> Really?
[02:08:14] >> She made me I mean his book like don't
[02:08:17] burn this book. I'm like I'd have to buy
[02:08:19] it first. I'd have to know I' [laughter]
[02:08:20] have to have heard of it. Like
[02:08:22] >> I'd have to acknowledge it really is a
[02:08:23] book.
[02:08:24] >> What? No, please. the spacing like this
[02:08:26] of like the margins and oh my god if I
[02:08:29] mean you know uh uh from from having so
[02:08:31] many successful books like all the
[02:08:32] publishing tricks like you know if if
[02:08:34] your manuscript comes in short you're
[02:08:36] like yeah blah blah blah uh you know we
[02:08:38] probably both had that happen to us from
[02:08:39] time to time um there was this there was
[02:08:42] this rumor that I um there was this
[02:08:44] rumor that I didn't write my books there
[02:08:46] was this team a fleet of um of
[02:08:48] assistants and so the first interview I
[02:08:50] gave about my my book about the the last
[02:08:51] pope um the book had been out two months
[02:08:54] and I um sounds brilliant. I can't wait
[02:08:56] to read it. [laughter]
[02:08:58] But he just was like, well, you know,
[02:09:00] when you actually have like stuff going
[02:09:01] on, you're too busy to write it and then
[02:09:03] you write other people's books when in
[02:09:04] the fellow periods. Anyway, um so
[02:09:06] [laughter] you know,
[02:09:07] >> actually have a famous friend who never
[02:09:08] read any of his books.
[02:09:09] >> No, of course.
[02:09:10] >> And he had a million of them.
[02:09:11] >> Come on. Billy probably. But
[02:09:13] >> that's very much a TV thing.
[02:09:14] >> Yeah, it is. It is. It is. And I was on
[02:09:16] tour and stuff. So, but I did actually
[02:09:17] write mine as it happens. I had a
[02:09:19] research assistant. But um actually a
[02:09:21] very great guy uh Alan Bkari who's now
[02:09:23] writing a book about Gamergate the great
[02:09:24] uns untold story about how Trump
[02:09:26] happened um which is completely topic
[02:09:29] for another day but um
[02:09:33] what was the question?
[02:09:35] Well the question was uh how you've
[02:09:38] changed as a person. [laughter]
[02:09:40] >> I I I do I still go off on tangents.
[02:09:42] >> Yes.
[02:09:42] >> But you were saying that you have an
[02:09:43] appreciation for the future and for
[02:09:46] things beyond yourself whereas you
[02:09:47] didn't before.
[02:09:48] >> I'm back in the room. Um,
[02:09:51] now it now now now I will I care what
[02:09:55] happens at the end of stories.
[02:09:58] Like I I used to read it for the wit and
[02:10:01] try to remember the sparkling dialogue
[02:10:03] to play to semi plagiarize it in
[02:10:05] conversation or whatever, you know.
[02:10:06] >> Yeah.
[02:10:07] >> Um,
[02:10:08] >> and you know, I see a little of this
[02:10:10] change in another friend of mine in
[02:10:13] George Santos. Um,
[02:10:15] >> what a good guy he is.
[02:10:16] >> I I can't help but like him. I always
[02:10:18] like him. can't help but totally agree.
[02:10:20] >> I always liked him. I was just like,
[02:10:21] "Oh, he's so likable." Um, and he's
[02:10:24] likable.
[02:10:26] He would be likable if he was thin,
[02:10:28] which is how likable he is. [laughter]
[02:10:31] >> I never thought of that.
[02:10:32] >> He'd be likable even if he was skinny.
[02:10:34] That's how likable he is. Uh, he's
[02:10:35] especially he's especially lovely as
[02:10:38] being jolly. Um,
[02:10:41] I've noticed in him some little changes,
[02:10:44] some adjustments along these lines since
[02:10:46] he's had his reckoning and his, you
[02:10:48] know, I mean, he had to confront
[02:10:51] >> something.
[02:10:52] I make a prediction.
[02:10:55] Guarantee you the guy doesn't die gay.
[02:10:58] Guarantee you George doesn't die because
[02:11:00] he's going to see his behavior, the
[02:11:03] Walter Mitti stuff as being in dialogue
[02:11:06] with, dependent on, congrent with the
[02:11:08] other damage.
[02:11:10] Guarantee it. Guarantee it.
[02:11:14] >> I'm still uh so uncomfortable with this
[02:11:16] topic that I'm not going to broach that
[02:11:18] with him, but I think you're qualified
[02:11:19] to do that.
[02:11:20] >> Well, I'm on um Tim with him soon, so
[02:11:23] maybe I will. Um
[02:11:24] >> so, how do you change? Like what's the
[02:11:26] process? This thing that we're not
[02:11:28] allowed to talk about which is and I
[02:11:31] can't gay conversion therapy.
[02:11:33] >> They don't call it conversion therapy
[02:11:35] anymore.
[02:11:35] >> But but that's what it was called,
[02:11:36] right? They were trying to ban it. So
[02:11:38] like you you were required to be gay. I
[02:11:40] remember thinking like and [laughter] by
[02:11:42] the way I've never been anti
[02:11:43] >> what are you converting from and too?
[02:11:45] >> No, but also the idea that you're not
[02:11:46] allowed to change like what that's when
[02:11:49] I realized thing. Why are you keeping
[02:11:51] people gay against their will? you keep
[02:11:54] you.
[02:11:54] >> Well, that's when my mind, as someone
[02:11:56] who's always been, I guess, progay or
[02:11:58] whatever, I'd never really been that
[02:12:00] involved in it.
[02:12:01] >> One of the least attractive things about
[02:12:02] you.
[02:12:03] >> Yeah, I agree. I agree. But I started my
[02:12:05] brain started to change a little bit
[02:12:06] when they were like, we're going to ban
[02:12:07] gay conversion therapy. And I was like,
[02:12:09] I thought the whole point was you can be
[02:12:10] whatever you want to be, which I was
[02:12:11] kind of for, [laughter]
[02:12:12] >> but now you're gay. You must stay that
[02:12:14] way. It's respectable for you to be
[02:12:16] progay if the basis of your pro of your
[02:12:19] progayness is that they're trying to
[02:12:20] force people to stay gay. Well, that No,
[02:12:22] no, that's when I started to change. I
[02:12:24] was like, "What are we talking about
[02:12:25] here? You're not allowed."
[02:12:26] >> So, you're going the wrong way. Yeah.
[02:12:27] No, you're just you're just off on this.
[02:12:29] Um,
[02:12:29] >> that just blew my mind when they tried
[02:12:31] to ban that. I was trying. This is not
[02:12:33] what they told me it was.
[02:12:34] >> They're trying to force people to stay
[02:12:35] gay against their will.
[02:12:36] >> Yes.
[02:12:37] >> I mean, it's bizarre. There's a Supreme
[02:12:40] Court case right now. The the um ruling
[02:12:44] will come next year about whether or not
[02:12:47] bans on gay conversion therapy are
[02:12:49] constitutional, whether it's legal to do
[02:12:50] it. So, we'll find out.
[02:12:52] >> Craziest thing I've ever heard.
[02:12:54] [laughter]
[02:12:54] >> Um, well, a Supreme Court's kind of like
[02:12:57] it always struck me, at least until
[02:12:59] recently, I guess, with the injection of
[02:13:01] the DEI like lunatic. Um, isn't the
[02:13:05] great the greatest chart you've ever
[02:13:06] seen. The greatest graph of my life. How
[02:13:08] much Katanji Brown Jackson talks. It's
[02:13:12] it's the greatest it's the greatest
[02:13:13] chart I've ever seen.
[02:13:14] >> Self-esteem is in inverse proportion to
[02:13:16] ability. [laughter]
[02:13:17] >> Yeah, we're aware of that. Yeah,
[02:13:18] >> it is. Yeah, it's the greatest chart
[02:13:19] I've ever seen. And then you got and
[02:13:20] then you got old Clarence in [laughter]
[02:13:22] your life,
[02:13:22] >> right? That one word.
[02:13:24] >> It is the greatest shot. I thought
[02:13:26] Uhhuh. Uh I just saw it and my reaction
[02:13:28] was that tracks and we had in the
[02:13:31] Supreme Court and probably maybe I mean
[02:13:32] it's sort of down the line, isn't it?
[02:13:34] Democrat up until recently it was, you
[02:13:35] know, it was really just like Catholics
[02:13:37] be Jews on the Supreme Court. Um it
[02:13:39] >> I don't think there are any Protestants
[02:13:40] on the Supreme Court.
[02:13:41] >> Um I don't think there are now. And I
[02:13:43] don't
[02:13:43] >> There is one. Neil Gorsuch is an
[02:13:45] Episcopalian.
[02:13:46] >> Yeah, but you're you're you're you're
[02:13:48] just over the fence, you know. No, but I
[02:13:49] mean there was a
[02:13:50] >> you got a little you got a little toe in
[02:13:52] the tyber. You [laughter]
[02:13:54] >> this country was founded and created by
[02:13:56] Protestant men and there's not a single
[02:13:58] one of the Supreme Court.
[02:13:58] >> Yeah, there was a fifth of them
[02:14:00] Catholic. Um the [laughter] small ones.
[02:14:02] Um so
[02:14:04] >> only in Rhode Island, but whatever.
[02:14:05] >> Another day. um
[02:14:09] when um when you see that kind of
[02:14:12] civilizational clash as it seems to me
[02:14:14] that it is one um I I can't help but
[02:14:18] hope
[02:14:20] if they're not going to do Oberfell
[02:14:22] that they at least let people get away
[02:14:25] from being gay.
[02:14:27] Like at least let people leave.
[02:14:31] At least let people leave. Um because I
[02:14:35] had to fumble my way with hot oil on a
[02:14:39] stove
[02:14:40] and like hurting myself to eventually
[02:14:44] get to a point where I was not seeing a
[02:14:49] particular stimulus and automatically
[02:14:51] having a particular arousal response. Is
[02:14:53] that what you want? Is that what is that
[02:14:55] what they want? Is that what they want
[02:14:56] everybody to have to do to sit at home
[02:14:58] and abuse themselves? to sit at home and
[02:15:01] like hurt themselves, to get rid of
[02:15:03] these unwanted, disordered urges that
[02:15:07] are making them miserable, that are
[02:15:08] hurting other people, that are hurting
[02:15:10] them, that are the product of trauma,
[02:15:12] that are a trauma response. Is that what
[02:15:14] you want? You want people to sit at home
[02:15:15] and do it to themselves? I don't think
[02:15:17] so.
[02:15:18] >> I think it's what they want. I think
[02:15:19] destroying people is what they want.
[02:15:20] >> But but but I don't think it's what we
[02:15:23] want, you know? I
[02:15:24] >> agree. So, how how do people change and
[02:15:28] what is the process? Well, um, the
[02:15:32] father of this stuff, the most I mean,
[02:15:34] there are some quacks.
[02:15:36] >> Oh, I bet. I'm not gonna lie about it.
[02:15:38] But the father of the stuff, the most
[02:15:40] respectable stuff with the highest
[02:15:42] success rate um uh the guy's name was uh
[02:15:44] Joseph Nicolosi.
[02:15:46] And uh I can't find most of his books on
[02:15:48] Amazon.
[02:15:50] Um but actually,
[02:15:52] >> yeah.
[02:15:52] >> Why?
[02:15:53] >> Well, cuz they're suppressed.
[02:15:56] Um,
[02:15:56] >> so that just tells you that right there.
[02:15:59] If they're banning books. Okay. Yeah.
[02:16:01] Okay.
[02:16:02] >> Well, I don't I'm I'm not such a I'm not
[02:16:04] such an anti-book ban guy. You're a more
[02:16:06] of a free speech fund. [laughter]
[02:16:08] >> What were the Nazis burning? What were
[02:16:10] they burning? Ask them.
[02:16:12] >> I know. I'm I'm very aware of that. No.
[02:16:14] Well, I guess what I'm just saying
[02:16:16] >> I'm more of a free speech fun.
[02:16:17] >> I am I am a free I have evolved into
[02:16:19] more of an authoritarian over the last
[02:16:20] 10 years. [laughter]
[02:16:22] >> Well, I'm not even having that debate.
[02:16:23] I'm just saying that you know what's
[02:16:26] important to people. You know what
[02:16:27] they're lying about by what they try and
[02:16:28] hide.
[02:16:29] >> Sure. That we can we can agree that's
[02:16:31] right. And we can also agree that all of
[02:16:32] the um uh all of the Jewish trans
[02:16:36] doctors need to have their books burned.
[02:16:38] um
[02:16:40] when
[02:16:45] he wrote about this stuff over decades
[02:16:48] had a very um
[02:16:51] uh tempestous relationship with the
[02:16:54] bodies in psychology and all the rest of
[02:16:55] it and psychiatry and and and but but
[02:16:57] you know he he's he's the person to read
[02:17:01] um if you want to understand how people
[02:17:03] become gay and how many of them have got
[02:17:05] out of it. So his for me the most
[02:17:07] important book is shame and attachment
[02:17:08] loss. It's kind of got a a yellowy green
[02:17:11] cover. Um and and the good news is that
[02:17:14] although um uh Dr. Nicoloi has left us,
[02:17:17] his son Joe Jr. um is still in the
[02:17:21] practice and is still training
[02:17:22] therapists today. He's based in
[02:17:24] California um obviously uh and
[02:17:27] [laughter] um uh and so he's still
[02:17:29] working today and and today the the way
[02:17:30] that the therapy um uh that um Joe Jr.
[02:17:33] does uh presents itself is is okay. It
[02:17:38] looks weird. It looks really weird. It's
[02:17:41] peculiar looking.
[02:17:43] It's almost funny looking when you see
[02:17:45] when you know because sometimes they'll
[02:17:47] film a session as a demonstration, you
[02:17:48] know, but it
[02:17:52] and it almost looks sort of like a like
[02:17:55] something you might see from Ali Mciel
[02:17:57] like smile therapy or something, right?
[02:18:00] But for a lot of patients, it's showing
[02:18:03] enormous progress and progress we
[02:18:04] measure as um
[02:18:07] the amount of arousal same unwanted
[02:18:10] samesex feelings like are just like I
[02:18:12] didn't wait a minute did I
[02:18:15] don't think I like got the hots for
[02:18:17] anyone this week you know.
[02:18:18] >> Yeah. So
[02:18:20] people become people have uh gay sex um
[02:18:24] uh urges for a variety of reasons, you
[02:18:26] know. So that the the without getting
[02:18:29] too specific, you know, the passive
[02:18:30] partner in a gay um encounter is um uh
[02:18:36] looking to take on some of the
[02:18:38] masculinity he feels he lacks. And
[02:18:40] that's in a literal physical way uh and
[02:18:43] in a emotional way too, right? Um he's
[02:18:46] seeking to to to
[02:18:49] um absorb in some fashion the manliness
[02:18:52] he feels he's he he doesn't have um
[02:18:55] really.
[02:18:56] >> Yes.
[02:18:57] And it makes sense, don't it? Like when
[02:19:00] you think about it,
[02:19:00] >> I've always wondered what that was. But
[02:19:03] yeah, if you're if you're if and it's a
[02:19:05] way of of interacting with the kind of
[02:19:07] men you've never been able to interact
[02:19:09] with or who've never like taken you
[02:19:10] seriously or that you've always kind of
[02:19:11] like admired from afar or whatever
[02:19:13] because you have had this like jump
[02:19:14] tracks thing in your brain from from
[02:19:16] neglect or abuse or whatever it is. And
[02:19:19] so you seek you want to be you want to
[02:19:21] you feel like it's it's like getting
[02:19:23] charged up. And this is where the magic
[02:19:24] comes in again as you know like this is
[02:19:26] how magic works. You know like magic
[02:19:27] artifacts got like charged up with evil
[02:19:29] power like that's what you know grace
[02:19:31] doesn't work like that. You know God
[02:19:32] doesn't work that way. Uh the infinite
[02:19:34] limitless uh generosity and charity and
[02:19:37] grace of God doesn't work like that. You
[02:19:39] don't have to like recharge your your
[02:19:41] reserves. Another reason gay sex is
[02:19:43] unfulfilling because it's refilling a
[02:19:45] battery that's always depleting. It's
[02:19:47] like a slow puncture, you know, and you
[02:19:50] just top it up. You can never fill it
[02:19:51] up. you can top it up for a moment with
[02:19:52] with an encounter like this. Um those
[02:19:56] urges in the first place come from um
[02:20:01] uh a memory or a thought or something
[02:20:04] that's leading to um this arousal this
[02:20:08] this this this uh disordered urge and
[02:20:11] the way to get rid of it feels a little
[02:20:14] like some people will will have heard of
[02:20:16] maybe CBT although it's different in
[02:20:17] some important ways. Um the the the
[02:20:20] therapy is three-step. The first um the
[02:20:25] first thing that you do is you you
[02:20:27] produce that state. So you think about
[02:20:30] or you look at something that will take
[02:20:32] you to the place that would have pre
[02:20:34] produced arousal previously
[02:20:37] >> and then you introduce something
[02:20:38] unexpected into the brain.
[02:20:41] >> And the idea is that you rewire the
[02:20:43] brain in it in it in its plasticity to
[02:20:46] expect a different outcome.
[02:20:49] when it has that stimulus in future,
[02:20:51] right? So, um the way I did it was to
[02:20:55] hurt myself. So, if I saw a basketball
[02:20:58] player, I'm not basketball cuz we're all
[02:20:59] gay nerds like I said, but football
[02:21:01] player like I said, um sitting down next
[02:21:03] to me on a flight or something, I
[02:21:06] wouldn't get aroused like the blood
[02:21:09] wouldn't stop flowing. I I would get
[02:21:11] like, you know, like that um or
[02:21:13] something, right? vaguely or at least
[02:21:18] wouldn't get that that um arousal
[02:21:20] response. The way that the therapists do
[02:21:22] it, which is better, [laughter] is is a
[02:21:24] um a sort of like just a completely
[02:21:26] unrelated feelings neutral kind of a
[02:21:28] thing, right? And the way it looks is
[02:21:31] just remarkable.
[02:21:33] And the third step is just repeat it
[02:21:34] because there's only two ways you can
[02:21:36] persuade the brain of things, which is
[02:21:37] emotional connection and repetition.
[02:21:38] Nothing else nothing else works. That's
[02:21:39] those are the only two means of
[02:21:40] persuasion that work.
[02:21:42] >> Emotional connection or repetition. So,
[02:21:44] so this is why um all the late night
[02:21:47] comedians who aren't funny anymore,
[02:21:49] their job is not to be funny. Their job
[02:21:50] is to associate certain things with
[02:21:52] certain emotional reactions and then to
[02:21:54] do that every night of the week forever.
[02:21:56] So, uh Trump e and then the next night
[02:22:00] Trump e. And this eventually persuades
[02:22:02] people that Trump bad, right? Because
[02:22:04] they're associating an emotional um uh
[02:22:07] reaction
[02:22:10] uh to to a thing. Repeat, repeat,
[02:22:11] repeat, repeat. It's just programming.
[02:22:12] It's programming. It's programming. They
[02:22:14] don't have to be funny. That's not their
[02:22:15] job. It is not Jimmy Kimmel's job to be
[02:22:17] funny. It's Jimmy Kimmel's job to repeat
[02:22:20] and that's why it's so boring and
[02:22:21] repetitive, right? They repeat and
[02:22:22] repeat and repeat and repeat
[02:22:24] >> positive happy like Camela is so brave.
[02:22:27] Trump's hideous. Oh, disgusting. Isn't
[02:22:30] he gross, isn't he? Oh, that fat ginger
[02:22:33] uh orange [ __ ] whatever. You know,
[02:22:35] they they they're not talking about him
[02:22:37] in terms of policy. They're talking
[02:22:38] about in terms of disgust. Yeah. Because
[02:22:40] that's a emotional thing. And again,
[02:22:42] again, again, again, eventually people
[02:22:43] are like, "Trump e, you know, of course
[02:22:46] happening." So, it's programming. It's
[02:22:47] why the comedians aren't funny. You're
[02:22:48] welcome. Um,
[02:22:51] this is that for virtuous ends because
[02:22:53] it's what works on the brain. Um, and it
[02:22:56] very often uses, um, so, so this is
[02:23:00] people find this strange, but so Aquinus
[02:23:02] talks about how grace builds on nature,
[02:23:05] right? uh Thomas Aquinus. Um uh and and
[02:23:11] so there are ways in which our bodies
[02:23:15] are are are are
[02:23:17] machines. They they they function
[02:23:20] according to mechanisms and respond to
[02:23:22] stimulus. And although there's a
[02:23:23] spiritual dimension to all of this, the
[02:23:26] way our brains work, it's trainable.
[02:23:28] It's trainable like a dog is trainable.
[02:23:30] It's trainable like anything is
[02:23:31] trainable.
[02:23:32] And so the way this therapy looks and I
[02:23:36] provided you with a couple of little
[02:23:37] examples in video um uh so that you can
[02:23:40] see it yourself afterwards. The way this
[02:23:42] therapy looks
[02:23:46] is
[02:23:48] first of all the the original stimulus
[02:23:49] will be produced and then there may be a
[02:23:51] pattern of like following a pen around
[02:23:54] or a particular kind of tapping on the
[02:23:55] knee or something. It's just intended to
[02:23:57] be like a neutral uh different outcome
[02:23:59] from that initial response. So that no
[02:24:02] longer does the brain go to arousal, it
[02:24:03] goes to something else. And that the
[02:24:06] it's very common if you you see in PTSD
[02:24:08] survivors, if you've ever been um to the
[02:24:11] VA, you'll see a lot of like this going
[02:24:13] on in like the treatment rooms. You're
[02:24:14] like, "What the hell is that all?" Um uh
[02:24:17] that's that's what it is. They're
[02:24:18] they're produced. They ask them to
[02:24:20] remember something traumatic from their
[02:24:22] service and then something it's just
[02:24:24] kind of little thing. And what's going
[02:24:25] on is
[02:24:27] the best way I can kind of describe it
[02:24:29] is
[02:24:31] it's like when you press control delete
[02:24:33] and then a couple of other things and
[02:24:34] the computer reboots without the virus.
[02:24:36] Now, you know, like that's not quite how
[02:24:37] computers work, but um uh you know, it
[02:24:39] reboots and you're no longer in that
[02:24:40] situation again. You can do that with
[02:24:41] the brain, but it takes not just one
[02:24:45] reboot, but it takes uh repeated um uh
[02:24:50] raising of the they call it the schema
[02:24:52] or the target, the thing that produced
[02:24:54] that unwanted response and then
[02:24:56] immediately the introduction of an
[02:24:58] unexpected outcome. So your brain's
[02:25:00] like, "Hang on a second.
[02:25:03] This happened, so I was expecting that,
[02:25:05] but then this happened." And then over
[02:25:07] time your brain learns to just do that
[02:25:10] instead. And that instead could just be
[02:25:12] like something you know completely
[02:25:14] anodine or it could be like I did which
[02:25:15] is you know a kind of clunking amateur
[02:25:17] version of it which was you know
[02:25:18] something something painful or
[02:25:19] unpleasant. And and the third step just
[02:25:21] do it over and over again. And
[02:25:23] eventually you see people
[02:25:26] just have less of those desires. It's
[02:25:31] the most peculiar thing but it is being
[02:25:33] borne out in the studies. And the so Joe
[02:25:35] Jr. I I I brought this with me. I'll
[02:25:37] leave it with you if you're interested.
[02:25:38] But um
[02:25:40] 144 people uh in a randomized placebo
[02:25:45] blind trial. It works.
[02:25:48] It works. And it works because
[02:25:51] this
[02:25:53] these homosexual urges are not so
[02:25:56] totally unlike other forms of trauma,
[02:26:00] other forms of damage, other forms of um
[02:26:04] uh uh deviance. This this same thing, it
[02:26:07] works on people who are obsessed with
[02:26:10] rape, like a guy who can't get off
[02:26:12] unless he's thinking about raping a
[02:26:14] girl. Now, rape is something that women
[02:26:16] love to fantasize about, but perhaps
[02:26:17] don't necessarily enjoy the reality of,
[02:26:19] even the reality of play of it, right?
[02:26:21] It's something women love to think
[02:26:22] about, but you know, you you you you act
[02:26:25] that one out without warning, you you're
[02:26:27] sleeping on the couch for a minimum, you
[02:26:30] know, [laughter]
[02:26:31] >> um
[02:26:32] >> uh it can it can help men to enjoy uh
[02:26:35] sex lives that don't involve uh
[02:26:37] coercion, you know, because they have
[02:26:39] that sort of thing. And and the same
[02:26:41] much of the same uh technique is used
[02:26:44] with people who have other kinds of
[02:26:46] trauma, who have other kinds of trauma
[02:26:48] responses as a product of of bad things
[02:26:51] that happen to them or as a product of
[02:26:53] just something going a bit wrong where
[02:26:54] that that track is jumped, you know. Um
[02:26:57] and so this
[02:26:59] though it looks very odd is based on
[02:27:03] decades of of uh research and builds on
[02:27:06] other therapies for other kinds of
[02:27:07] trauma. and it looks like it's working.
[02:27:10] Now, I didn't have this kind of therapy.
[02:27:12] I will say that uh like I said, I kind
[02:27:14] of bumbled through on my own cuz I'm,
[02:27:16] you know, stubborn and and and uh and a
[02:27:18] loner. But this has started to work for
[02:27:21] people.
[02:27:23] When you look back on the life that you
[02:27:25] led 10 years ago, how do you feel?
[02:27:29] >> I feel ashamed.
[02:27:31] Um, I feel embarrassed and disgusted by
[02:27:34] the things I did, but I feel ashamed
[02:27:38] particularly about 10 years ago about
[02:27:40] how many people I I you know, I thought
[02:27:42] I was like laying it on thick with this
[02:27:43] sort of like Damen average kind of um,
[02:27:46] you know, uh, a high bouquet performance
[02:27:48] on stage and I realized people weren't
[02:27:50] picking up the layers maybe and every
[02:27:52] talk I ever gave in the Q&A I said if I
[02:27:54] if I could not be gay, I would push that
[02:27:55] button, you know, and nobody ever like
[02:27:58] that never registered with people all
[02:28:00] that they Why? I don't know. All they
[02:28:02] got was being gay is okay now and being
[02:28:03] rightwing. Being gay rightwing is okay
[02:28:04] now. And I know that I pushed that
[02:28:05] button with the left to annoy them and
[02:28:06] and and because it was absurd at that
[02:28:08] time. But people never got the message
[02:28:11] when I said if I could possibly I I
[02:28:14] never gave a speech in my life where I
[02:28:17] told people go be gay. I said my first
[02:28:21] ever appearance on television was with
[02:28:22] Boy George like 20 years ago. And I said
[02:28:26] I feel that something is wrong inside
[02:28:27] me.
[02:28:29] And I didn't have the the vocabulary to
[02:28:31] articulate this. And he's like, "No,
[02:28:32] honey. You're perfect just the way you
[02:28:33] are. I can't do what Josh, but um you
[02:28:35] know, I was like, "No, no, I feel that
[02:28:37] something is wrong in there." And and
[02:28:38] everybody around the table just left,
[02:28:40] you know, like thinking like, "Oh,
[02:28:42] there's a self-hating homosexual." Well,
[02:28:45] I'm not hate. I wasn't hating myself. I
[02:28:47] was hating the things that I was doing
[02:28:48] because I knew they were hurting me. And
[02:28:50] I knew even then, and I never gave a
[02:28:51] speech in my whole life where I said,
[02:28:52] "Go be gay."
[02:28:52] >> Have you ever talked to other gay men
[02:28:54] who have the same feeling?
[02:28:55] >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, I think because I mean
[02:28:59] not many of them will articulate it like
[02:29:01] I do because I am a little bit cuckoo
[02:29:04] and I don't mind kind of living in
[02:29:06] public and talking about my feelings.
[02:29:07] Like my Twitter is just like this well
[02:29:10] aside from 8 years missing. Um, it's
[02:29:13] just this like insane stream of
[02:29:14] consciousness where I'll just say the
[02:29:16] most like ridiculous, absurd, outrageous
[02:29:17] things, but it's because people are
[02:29:19] getting like a a a tap straight in, you
[02:29:22] know? Um, it's just what's going on in
[02:29:23] there today. Um, so I'm comfortable
[02:29:26] living that way and I'm comfortable
[02:29:28] expressing myself and talking about
[02:29:29] myself. And I think now I have a duty.
[02:29:32] Now I have a responsibility to others
[02:29:35] because of cuz the message didn't land.
[02:29:38] Like I was I I I was I was not intending
[02:29:42] to give birth to this huge generation of
[02:29:46] gay Republicans who now just I think
[02:29:48] it's openly like openly fine to to to
[02:29:52] trafficking babies and to be a gay
[02:29:55] Republican and I feel a great deal of
[02:29:57] responsibility for that. I hate myself
[02:29:59] for that a little bit.
[02:30:02] >> Myopoulos, thank you for everything you
[02:30:04] said,
[02:30:05] >> for your honesty. I appreciate it.
[02:30:06] >> Thanks. and your insight, which is
[02:30:08] amazing.
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