AMFEST 2025 SPECIAL: My Price Is My Life with Pierre Wilson

[00:00:00] What is your price? [00:00:03] Because if your [music] price is not [00:00:04] your life, [00:00:09] then you are [music] for sale. [00:00:15] >> How's it going, man? [00:00:16] >> I'm good. Good to see you again. [00:00:17] >> Good to see you. How's it been? [00:00:19] >> It's been good. We have a a whole new [00:00:21] launch happening with TPSA Rise. We were [00:00:23] formerly Blexit, I'm sure, as you know. [00:00:25] >> So, we've been busy with that, but it's [00:00:26] been good. It's been good. [00:00:27] >> So, tell me about the your mission of [00:00:28] TPUSA Rise. how long you've been doing [00:00:30] it and what you're doing here to this [00:00:31] week. [00:00:32] >> Yeah. Well, I mean, obviously Blexit was [00:00:34] the black community largely. We did a [00:00:35] lot of work in the black community. I [00:00:36] think with TPA Rise, we're saying, "Hey, [00:00:38] we are now equipped to be able to do [00:00:40] work in other minority communities as [00:00:41] well." So, you're going to see us doing [00:00:43] stuff in Hispanic communities, Asian [00:00:44] communities, African communities, you [00:00:46] name it. Uh we built an amazing, and [00:00:48] it's not I'm not taking all the credit, [00:00:50] have an incredible team, but we built an [00:00:52] amazing grassroots operation, the [00:00:53] largest one in the minority community [00:00:55] and the conservative side. Um, so I [00:00:57] think we're equipped to be able to do [00:00:58] these things in other uh communities [00:01:00] outside. [00:01:00] >> How big is your group? How how large? [00:01:03] >> So we have volunteer-wise, we're sitting [00:01:05] at I want to say over four or 5,000 [00:01:08] volunteers now who are actual leaders, [00:01:11] but people who have signed up to support [00:01:12] the cause. And it doesn't necessarily [00:01:14] mean leader. I mean maybe you're a [00:01:15] subscriber or you're help out at events [00:01:17] here and there. We're well over 200,000 [00:01:18] people. [00:01:19] >> 200 who are helping out in some [00:01:22] capacity. [00:01:22] >> And you're part of Turning Point. [00:01:24] >> Yes. So, we're a department in Turning [00:01:26] Point. Obviously, we came over [00:01:27] originally in the merger and then now I [00:01:30] think because we're TPSA Rise, we're [00:01:32] officially our own department within [00:01:33] [music] Turning Point [00:01:34] >> and and this is the 51c4 or the or C C3 [00:01:37] educational and how do you you know we [00:01:39] know a little bit about Blexit and you [00:01:41] know where does that stand in the last [00:01:44] like five years? Where do things stand [00:01:45] right now? [00:01:46] >> Yeah. Well, you saw I mean, you look at [00:01:48] the vote in the last election, 21% of [00:01:50] black men shifted, right? And it's still [00:01:52] so much work to do. I think black women, [00:01:54] I think, were 92% still voting for [00:01:56] Camala. So, there's a lot of work to do [00:01:58] still in the black community. But we saw [00:01:59] the signs. We saw the changing that's [00:02:01] changing, right? And the black, that's [00:02:02] why I was pointing out black men that [00:02:04] that 21% of black men, that's one of the [00:02:06] highest numbers we've seen. And I think [00:02:08] had a lot to do with that. But we also [00:02:10] saw the work that we've done in in [00:02:11] Hispanic communities paying off because [00:02:13] there was a huge shift in the Hispanic [00:02:14] community. And a lot of people don't [00:02:16] know that a lot of Asian communities [00:02:17] still vote for the Democrats. So, you [00:02:19] know, I think we're building on the work [00:02:21] we've done with Blexer through the years [00:02:23] and we're going to build on that work [00:02:24] and do more in these other communities [00:02:25] to make sure that we continue to see [00:02:26] this cultural revolution that we're [00:02:27] seeing now happening. [00:02:28] >> And I mean, it's like, you know, you see [00:02:30] this painting right here of of this was [00:02:32] exactly four years ago [00:02:34] >> of uh Charlie and I [00:02:36] >> uh exactly four years ago. It says never [00:02:38] surrender on that shirt. [00:02:39] >> Yeah. Um, Charlie, [00:02:41] >> tell me about how you met Charlie and [00:02:44] how Charlie brought you into his [00:02:45] organization. [00:02:46] >> Yeah, so I had met Charlie years ago. [00:02:48] I've been involved obviously with [00:02:49] Blexit. I was involved with Blex like [00:02:51] 2018 when it first started. So, I had [00:02:53] met Charlie in passing, but I tell [00:02:54] people I didn't truly know Charlie until [00:02:57] we merged in 2023. I remember the very [00:02:59] first meeting I came in and I was like [00:03:01] all ready to talk about all the things I [00:03:02] wanted to make sure that we keep and I [00:03:04] didn't want turning point to change and [00:03:05] I had like a list of items and the first [00:03:07] thing Charlie started talking to me [00:03:08] about was my family. [00:03:10] >> He he he was like how was your Yes. He [00:03:12] he immediately before I can even get [00:03:13] into any questions he's like how are you [00:03:15] Pierre? And I'm like I'm I'm good. You [00:03:17] know he's like how's your family? I know [00:03:18] you're married. How are your kids? And [00:03:20] he started to talk to me about he [00:03:22] started talking to me as a man. [00:03:23] >> Did he know that you had a family? He [00:03:24] knew he knew that. He knew he knew I had [00:03:26] family. [00:03:26] >> You told him or he did research. He did [00:03:28] his own research, you know, he wanted to [00:03:30] know who I was, who he's what employee [00:03:31] is he bringing in, right? Like he want [00:03:33] to know about me. [00:03:34] >> And so he brought up my family right [00:03:35] away. And I remember in that moment [00:03:36] feeling [00:03:38] >> like, man, I'm coming in here ready to [00:03:39] just talk strictly business. This man is [00:03:41] getting to know me as a person. And that [00:03:43] made me put my guard down immediately. [00:03:45] And that was the example that Charlie [00:03:47] set the entire time up until he [00:03:49] obviously left us here on Earth. Like he [00:03:51] was a good man. He cared about me as a [00:03:53] person. I tell people all the time, a [00:03:54] lot of people are mourning Charlie, [00:03:55] their celebrity. I mourned the person, [00:03:57] the man that he was. He had he would [00:04:00] text me all the time, you know, seeking [00:04:02] advice on random stuff. I'm like, [00:04:03] Charlie's asking me for advice. He would [00:04:05] do like a a round table with a with [00:04:07] black pastors or something. Oh, wow. [00:04:08] >> And he would say, "Per, I want you to [00:04:09] watch this. Give me your feedback. Tell [00:04:11] me if I can do anything better." This [00:04:12] man was so humble, you know? He just he [00:04:14] just he legit just he cared about [00:04:16] >> someone texts so many thousands and [00:04:18] thousands of people, it's hard enough to [00:04:20] text a few. [00:04:20] >> He I I struggle sometimes to to respond [00:04:24] to family members. Me too. [00:04:26] >> I'll be honest with you. This man found [00:04:28] >> did something called layering where he [00:04:30] was able to multitask. I I don't know [00:04:32] how to do that. Absolutely unique. He [00:04:34] mastered some incredible power [00:04:36] >> and he certainly outworked the other [00:04:38] guy. One of his clips where he said, [00:04:39] "Listen, I may not be as smart as [00:04:41] everyone, but I outworked them." [00:04:42] Certainly he did that. [00:04:43] >> What What got you um started in this [00:04:46] movement? [00:04:47] >> I Well, listen, I used to be a former [00:04:49] lefty. I marched with BLM. I did it all. [00:04:51] And [00:04:52] >> what year did that change? So I actually [00:04:54] 2018ish I started getting involved when [00:04:57] Blexit was first born. They didn't have [00:04:58] any chapters at the time. Candace and [00:05:00] Brandon had just launched it. It was a [00:05:02] concept. They were going to do these [00:05:03] shows around the country. And I was [00:05:06] inspired because I had been listening to [00:05:08] people like Dr. Swain and getting into [00:05:10] Thomas Soul. And I was like, man, I [00:05:13] don't have anyone to turn to ask [00:05:14] questions to. There was no one else in [00:05:16] my life who was a conservative. [00:05:18] >> So I took it upon myself and this is how [00:05:19] I got hired as a first employee at [00:05:21] Blexit. I took it upon myself to just [00:05:22] launch a bleed chapter. I never got [00:05:24] permission or anything. I just I just [00:05:26] launched it. I created I did my first [00:05:28] event with my own money. [00:05:28] >> What was the thing that that when you [00:05:30] when you transitioned from a lefty to [00:05:33] this movement [00:05:34] >> that really pushed you over the edge? [00:05:36] Was there a moment in time when you're [00:05:38] like, you know what, I'm not I'm not a [00:05:40] lefty anymore. [00:05:41] >> No, here's the thing though. I tell [00:05:42] people I I I didn't actually become [00:05:44] conservative. Had always been [00:05:46] conservative. I just didn't know it. [00:05:47] >> You didn't know it? [00:05:48] >> I didn't know it. What was the thing [00:05:49] that led you to realize that? [00:05:51] >> It was it was watching conservative [00:05:53] influencers. R It's No, it's [00:05:55] >> Was there a particular one or two that [00:05:56] really inspired you? [00:05:57] >> I would say Dr. Swain was one. She did a [00:05:59] Prageru video where she was breaking [00:06:02] down like the the so-called party switch [00:06:05] >> and I remember that one vividly and I [00:06:08] remember watching that video and saying [00:06:09] there's no way this is true. And that [00:06:11] led me down a rabbit hole of doing my [00:06:13] own research. You know, when I'm [00:06:15] researching these things, for example, [00:06:16] the welfare rate, black-on-black crime [00:06:18] and and how our dependency on government [00:06:20] has done nothing but set the community [00:06:21] back, I'm like, why hasn't anyone taught [00:06:23] me this? You know, I feel like [00:06:25] everything that I've been told was the [00:06:26] opposite of this. And I feel like we are [00:06:29] part of the problem. We're holding [00:06:30] ourselves back and we keep voting for [00:06:32] the same party who we put in power in [00:06:35] our communities for decades and [00:06:36] nothing's changing. It just really led [00:06:38] to this rabbit hole and I and again I I [00:06:40] can talk about it openly now but back [00:06:43] then I didn't know who to turn to [00:06:44] because there was no one in my life. Not [00:06:46] my mom, not my dad, not a teacher, not a [00:06:48] friend. There was no one for me to talk [00:06:49] to. [00:06:50] >> No role models. [00:06:51] >> No role model. You listen I turn on you [00:06:54] and you if you live in a black community [00:06:55] and you listen to a black radio host, [00:06:56] you turn on a black radio station. [00:06:58] They're talking politics and it's not [00:06:59] about the right. It's it's probably [00:07:00] something against the right. They're [00:07:02] they're like spokes people for the [00:07:03] Democrat party. Your favorite basketball [00:07:05] player. Look at LeBron James. he might [00:07:07] as well be paid by the Democrat party. [00:07:09] Like there's nowhere to turn and and and [00:07:12] it's an echo chamber. [00:07:13] >> Well, who do you think the leaders are, [00:07:15] the personalities that you do respect [00:07:18] and admire who are they may not be as [00:07:21] big as LeBron, but someone out there [00:07:23] right now? Who are they preaching this [00:07:26] message [00:07:26] >> that's a celebrity or just in general? [00:07:29] Yeah, [00:07:30] >> I mean honestly I I I think for me I've [00:07:33] gotten to a place where I have learned [00:07:35] so much on my own that I'm very cautious [00:07:37] of who I look to. Um I like to do my own [00:07:40] research but there are obviously I still [00:07:42] love Thomas Soul. I know he's not as [00:07:43] active soul. [00:07:44] >> Yeah, I know he's not as active these [00:07:45] days but the man has still alive. You [00:07:48] know he's still alive but he is a genius [00:07:50] in my opinion. [00:07:51] >> Vision of the anointed book was just [00:07:53] >> he's a genius and I don't say this just [00:07:55] because Charlie's gone but I for me it's [00:07:57] not color of skin. Charlie was a hero [00:07:59] for me. Charlie was someone I looked up [00:08:01] to. He spoke the truth. And I don't [00:08:03] think you have to be a black person to [00:08:05] tell the truth about black America. You [00:08:07] can tell the truth. [00:08:08] >> The truth. It's It's going to be hard [00:08:09] to, you know, there probably are a few [00:08:11] Charlie Kirks in the audience. There's [00:08:13] What are they? 30 How many people are [00:08:14] here, by the way? [00:08:15] >> 30,000 individuals. [00:08:16] >> 30,000 people. [00:08:18] >> So, you know, it's hard to find the [00:08:20] talent a and the integrity and the [00:08:22] family ethic. I mean, all together, it's [00:08:25] one in maybe 100 million people. Yep. [00:08:27] >> It's almost impossible to find. [00:08:30] >> Um, where do you what's your vision for? [00:08:33] >> It's called RISE. [00:08:34] >> Yes. TPS USA Rise. [00:08:35] >> It's part of TPUSA. [00:08:37] >> What is your vision for RISE? Your [00:08:39] five-year vision over the next 5 years. [00:08:41] >> You know, I think ultimately whenever [00:08:43] you do anything that's related to the [00:08:44] minority community, I want to get to a [00:08:46] place, and this is going to sound crazy. [00:08:48] I want to get to a place where we work [00:08:49] so hard where we're not needed anymore. [00:08:51] >> Not needed. [00:08:52] >> I think I want to work myself out of a [00:08:54] job. And I know that sounds insane to [00:08:56] people, but I believe that we're here [00:08:58] because we're needed, not because we [00:09:00] should be. There's a difference between [00:09:01] the two. If you let the left continue to [00:09:04] control minority America, this country [00:09:05] is going to continue to go the wrong [00:09:06] direction. I believe that they know that [00:09:08] and they manipulate the minority [00:09:09] community. They're guaranteed vote. So, [00:09:11] we need to actually go to these [00:09:13] communities, meet people where they are, [00:09:14] take back ground that they have stolen. [00:09:17] And we need to bring a real message of [00:09:18] empowerment, not victimhood. And and and [00:09:21] if we do it right, we won't be needed [00:09:23] anymore. in 20 in 2026. Is there is [00:09:25] there a specific program that you're [00:09:28] excited about in Turning Point Rise? [00:09:30] >> Uh I mean, well, we have a we're doing [00:09:32] some really incredible work on [00:09:34] historically black colleges and [00:09:35] universities. And the reason why I want [00:09:36] to bring this up because that's like [00:09:37] going on to a lion's den. Uh for anyone [00:09:39] who knows how to, you know, HB.CU are [00:09:41] not easy. We're actually going to do an [00:09:43] event at FAMU and it's going to be a [00:09:45] debate at uh Florida. FAMU is for short, [00:09:47] but it's H.B.CU in Florida. Uh it's [00:09:50] going to be a conservative versus [00:09:51] liberal debates on campus. going to be [00:09:53] thousands of people in that room [00:09:55] >> in an auditorium or [00:09:56] >> in an auditorium. [00:09:57] >> Um a huge event. We're we know we're [00:10:00] walking into a hostile environment. [00:10:02] We're we'll welcome it. We're happy to [00:10:03] go in there. Even if we're getting [00:10:05] booed, I guarantee there's going to be a [00:10:06] good amount of people in that room who [00:10:08] say, "You know what? Those guys make [00:10:09] sense." [00:10:09] >> Yeah. [00:10:10] >> You know, and that's all that matters. [00:10:11] We understand it's a hostile [00:10:12] environment. We're fine with that. We'll [00:10:13] go into the Lions Den. And I want TP [00:10:15] Rise to be known as the group that will [00:10:17] go into Baltimore, the Atlanta, Detroit. [00:10:20] We will go to those places and we will [00:10:22] do the necessary work. [00:10:23] >> When do you plan to do that? [00:10:25] >> March. March 11th. I'm actually kind of [00:10:27] announcing this on your show right now [00:10:28] cuz it's not public yet, but yeah, March [00:10:30] 11th is when that's happening. [00:10:31] >> And that's HB Florida. What was the name [00:10:33] of this? [00:10:33] >> It's FAMU. [00:10:34] >> Where is that located? I don't know. [00:10:36] >> It's Tallahassee like Florida State area [00:10:39] debates on the campuses [00:10:40] >> on the campus. One of the most historic [00:10:41] H.B.CU in the country [00:10:43] >> and working yourself out of a job. [00:10:45] >> Yeah. [00:10:45] >> Hopefully Turning Point has something [00:10:46] else for me to do at that point. But [00:10:48] yes, rise and support. Are you speaking [00:10:50] on on any of the panels or stage here? [00:10:52] >> Sunday. I will be on the main stage [00:10:53] Sunday or Saturday, sorry, Saturday, [00:10:55] right before Brandon Tatum. [00:10:56] >> Sunday, [00:10:56] >> did you see um the recent report we did [00:11:00] about the there's a a black professor at [00:11:02] Georgetown and and he was calling uh [00:11:04] black conservatives, these are his [00:11:06] words, he called he called there's a [00:11:08] professor at Georgetown calling black [00:11:09] conservatives coons. He said this. Did [00:11:11] you happen to see that video? [00:11:12] >> I haven't seen the video, but not [00:11:14] shocked. and and uh you know what was [00:11:16] weird is is we you know he's he called [00:11:18] Lawrence Jones on Fox News [00:11:21] >> Clarence Thomas um I'd love to share [00:11:24] that video with you and get your [00:11:25] reaction to to his [00:11:27] >> prejudice and and and words about that [00:11:29] and we confronted him and he ran away [00:11:31] and [00:11:32] >> what was interesting is that he ran away [00:11:33] you know I don't know why he's [00:11:34] >> they never stand by their own words [00:11:36] >> they never stand by their own beliefs [00:11:38] why is he ashamed of his of his truth [00:11:40] >> if you think we're a stand 10 toes [00:11:42] down on that and say it when we come [00:11:43] talking about you've been called those [00:11:44] words by by liberals. [00:11:46] >> Absolutely. Uh Uncle Tom, you name [00:11:49] it. [00:11:49] >> And does that does that hurt when they [00:11:51] say it [00:11:51] >> in the beginning? Yes. [00:11:52] >> But not anymore. [00:11:53] >> Not anymore. I think I'm so immune to it [00:11:55] now. I'm so immune. I've asked people [00:11:57] who have called me a Hey, what's [00:11:59] [music] a [00:12:00] >> And I what's who's Uncle Tom? A lot of [00:12:03] them can't even tell you. They just know [00:12:05] they're told to say these things. They [00:12:06] just know that's what they were taught. [00:12:08] I think the I think the running away is [00:12:11] a big tell that they're ashamed of of [00:12:14] the truth. Uh well, hey, it was great [00:12:16] great talking to you and uh talking to [00:12:17] you. I hope you [music] I hope to see [00:12:18] you and and uh and thank you for being [00:12:20] on. [00:12:20] >> Keep up the great work. I appreciate [00:12:22] what you're doing. God bless you. [00:12:24] >> What is your price? [00:12:26] >> Because if your [music] price is not [00:12:28] your life, [00:12:32] then you are [music] for sale.