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[00:00:04] Good to see you, Jenk.
[00:00:05] >> Good to see you, T.
[00:00:06] >> I I haven't seen you since we had a
[00:00:08] debate years ago, I think, um, at
[00:00:10] Politicon. Totally different world. But
[00:00:12] I was thinking this morning as I was
[00:00:13] driving in, I'm like, hm, of all the
[00:00:15] things you could do to infuriate your
[00:00:17] audience, this is probably at the top of
[00:00:18] the list. Like, you don't need to do
[00:00:20] this. Why are you doing this?
[00:00:21] >> Yeah. So, there's a couple reasons why.
[00:00:24] Number one, I want to take yes for an
[00:00:25] answer. Uh, you're anti-war. Uh we've
[00:00:28] been anti-war for 20 years. So
[00:00:30] >> I have not been. So bless you for that.
[00:00:32] >> Thank you, brother. And welcome. Glad to
[00:00:34] be here.
[00:00:35] >> And so that's amazing. That's important.
[00:00:37] Um and I also want to break down the
[00:00:40] barriers of Republicans versus
[00:00:42] Democrats, right-wing versus leftwing. I
[00:00:45] think that it's kind of used to divide
[00:00:48] us. Uh and I think that the powerful h
[00:00:50] already have an incredible elite team.
[00:00:53] They're very very organized and they do
[00:00:56] it through uh donations uh to the
[00:00:58] politicians etc. But the American people
[00:01:00] are not organized. Uh we have built two
[00:01:03] teams but those two teams the
[00:01:05] Republicans and the Democrats have been
[00:01:07] trained to fight each other instead of
[00:01:09] fighting up. Right.
[00:01:11] >> Exactly.
[00:01:11] >> And so when you split the population
[00:01:13] that way you take away all of their
[00:01:15] energy because you have their them use
[00:01:18] their energy against one another rather
[00:01:20] than against you. It's actually
[00:01:22] brilliant. That's how the British ruled
[00:01:24] India.
[00:01:25] >> Exactly. Right.
[00:01:26] >> Yes. And and it's done on a meta level
[00:01:28] in every way. Also, by the way, on a
[00:01:30] global level, Christians versus Muslims.
[00:01:32] Two billion here, two billion there.
[00:01:34] Make sure you guys are fighting one
[00:01:36] another. And hey, look at that. We've
[00:01:38] used up all your energy fighting one
[00:01:40] another and not looking up.
[00:01:41] >> I've noticed. Yeah.
[00:01:43] >> Okay. So, and then of course the third
[00:01:45] issue is Israel. And so, that's what I
[00:01:47] want to talk to you uh a lot about
[00:01:49] today. I hope. Uh, and I think that
[00:01:51] that's an animating issue for a number
[00:01:53] of reasons. Not because it's the end all
[00:01:55] be all, uh, but because it is deeply
[00:01:57] symbolic. Um, and so whether it's big
[00:02:00] pharma or big oil or APAC, uh, they are
[00:02:03] buying our politicians. And so you're a
[00:02:06] rare person saying that, uh, I'm a
[00:02:08] person saying that. And, uh, and they
[00:02:11] mainstream media works against us and
[00:02:13] they try to shut us up and say, "Sh,
[00:02:15] don't tell anybody about money and
[00:02:16] politics."
[00:02:17] >> Yes. No. No. These politicians are
[00:02:19] honest and honorable people having
[00:02:20] debates. They're not having any debates.
[00:02:22] They're cashing checks. And so I want
[00:02:25] all of America to know that. And and at
[00:02:27] the end of the day, Tucker, if we don't
[00:02:30] unite as Americans, uh the powerful are
[00:02:32] going to rule us forever.
[00:02:33] >> I think that's exactly that is
[00:02:34] absolutely true. So let's just start
[00:02:36] with motive. I hate going to motive
[00:02:38] because it's we don't even know our own
[00:02:40] motives a lot of the time, right? Motive
[00:02:42] is very hard to determine. But when this
[00:02:44] topic comes up, people go immediately to
[00:02:46] motive. You're taking money from
[00:02:49] somebody, a foreign power. Okay. You're
[00:02:52] a secret. You've got some secret
[00:02:54] religious affiliation.
[00:02:56] Um, you're filled with hate. It's all
[00:02:58] about why you have these views rather
[00:03:00] than addressing the views themselves.
[00:03:01] I've just noticed this having lived it.
[00:03:04] And so, I just want to ask you about
[00:03:06] Israel specifically. How did you come to
[00:03:09] this? And what are your motives?
[00:03:11] >> Yeah. So, uh, it's a difficult for me
[00:03:14] one for me because I have I grew up in a
[00:03:16] a town that was about 50% Jewish. So, I
[00:03:20] have tons of Jewish friends. I have
[00:03:21] Jewish family. I have a nephew and niece
[00:03:23] who are Jewish. And so, um, I don't want
[00:03:26] to make people uncomfortable and and I
[00:03:28] don't want this to be about the Jews.
[00:03:30] That's crazy. And what I tell people all
[00:03:32] the time is,
[00:03:33] >> hey, listen, I like my friend Dave, my
[00:03:35] friend Jack, Msad never called him and
[00:03:37] asked permission, right? Netanyahu was
[00:03:40] never like, "Hey, should we take 53% of
[00:03:42] Gaza? What do you think, Dave?" Right?
[00:03:45] So, that that's not how it works. So, if
[00:03:47] you're So, I I anyone who's got that
[00:03:50] intent, I'm not interested in. Okay?
[00:03:52] You're not going to have me as an ally.
[00:03:54] It's not going to work out. I have
[00:03:55] Jewish family. I have Jewish friends.
[00:03:57] I'll never sell them out. Okay? So, and
[00:04:00] the other thing about Jewish Americans
[00:04:02] is they're Americans and we're I believe
[00:04:04] in a united America. Okay? So, you're
[00:04:07] for America. I love you and I protect
[00:04:09] you. I'll give you one last example. I
[00:04:11] can give you thousands, right? But Dave
[00:04:14] Smith, Dave Smith is an amazing ally of
[00:04:16] ours.
[00:04:16] >> Wonderful man.
[00:04:17] >> Yeah, I agree. So if you come for Dave,
[00:04:19] you come for all of us. He's one of us.
[00:04:21] Okay. We protect our own Americans,
[00:04:24] right?
[00:04:24] >> Okay.
[00:04:25] >> So now, why do I have an issue with
[00:04:27] Israel then? Even though I would
[00:04:29] actually naturally want to ally with
[00:04:31] Israel, get into all the Jewish friends
[00:04:34] and family that I have, right? Um, and I
[00:04:37] didn't know a lot of Palestinians
[00:04:38] growing up. I only knew one Palestinian.
[00:04:40] We had one in our high school and we had
[00:04:41] hundreds of Jewish folks who loved
[00:04:43] Israel, etc. Right. The problem with
[00:04:46] Israel isn't just the genocide that they
[00:04:48] just committed. But that would be
[00:04:49] enough. That is a horrific injustice
[00:04:51] >> in Gaza.
[00:04:52] >> In Gaza, I mean, you've got it well over
[00:04:54] 70,000 dead. You've got God knows how
[00:04:56] many thousands buried in the rubble and
[00:04:58] they're adding to the count every day.
[00:05:00] We've got 10% of the entire population
[00:05:04] that was either killed or injured, which
[00:05:07] is a stunning number. That's why almost
[00:05:09] all every genocide scholar says it's
[00:05:10] obviously a genocide, right?
[00:05:12] >> 10% of the entire population.
[00:05:13] >> Yes. Either killed or injured. Okay.
[00:05:16] >> That' be over 200,000.
[00:05:18] >> Yes, that's right. Because the amount
[00:05:20] injured are well over 130,000. Okay.
[00:05:23] >> But just to be clear on that, like
[00:05:25] that's a number that we should know, I
[00:05:26] think, since we paid for it. And I think
[00:05:28] it's so important to know what death
[00:05:30] tolls and and the injury count is
[00:05:33] because you did this and you have to
[00:05:36] know what the consequences are. I think
[00:05:37] it's totally fair. We don't know in the
[00:05:39] Russia Ukraine war. We have no idea. And
[00:05:41] we have no idea in Gaza. And I So I just
[00:05:43] want to say that there are estimates
[00:05:44] that it's over half a million. I don't
[00:05:45] know if that's true or not, but that's
[00:05:47] the point. We should know that. We have
[00:05:50] a right to know that.
[00:05:51] >> So Tucker, that's going to go to points
[00:05:53] two and three. Uh which
[00:05:55] >> Sorry, I could just erupted with started
[00:05:56] interrupting. No, not at all. Not at
[00:05:58] all. But I I want to come back to that
[00:06:00] because two and three are super
[00:06:01] important because it's it's symbolic of
[00:06:04] the power that all the donor class has,
[00:06:06] not just Israel. But also with Israel,
[00:06:08] you have gaslighting that is extreme. Uh
[00:06:11] where where you don't have that in any
[00:06:13] other area.
[00:06:13] >> Can you explain what that is?
[00:06:14] >> So u you'll say, "Hey, uh I don't think
[00:06:18] we should give Israel another $30
[00:06:20] billion or another hundred billion." I
[00:06:23] want to get into all these numbers in a
[00:06:24] second, right? and they'll say
[00:06:26] anti-semit. Now, so wait a minute, that
[00:06:29] doesn't make any sense. Like I you we
[00:06:31] could mad lib this, right? You take any
[00:06:33] Israeli talking point and put in a
[00:06:35] different country and it sounds absurd,
[00:06:38] right? Like you owe Thailand $300
[00:06:40] billion. People will be like, "What? No,
[00:06:42] we don't. Anti-racist, right?" You like,
[00:06:45] "What? I don't even know any Thai
[00:06:47] people. What are you talking about?
[00:06:48] You're an anti-tist." Right. No, I'm
[00:06:51] not. Right.
[00:06:52] >> Why do you hate Thailand?
[00:06:53] >> Exactly. But that's See, but
[00:06:55] >> you're obsessed with Thailand.
[00:06:57] That's my favorite. You're obsessed with
[00:06:59] Thailand. Okay.
[00:07:00] >> Well, I by the way, I would be obsessed
[00:07:03] with Thailand if Thailand took $300
[00:07:04] billion off of us, right? And if
[00:07:06] Thailand was like, you have to attack
[00:07:08] everyone else in Southeast Asia. You
[00:07:10] know, we have a Thai Christian heritage.
[00:07:13] Yeah.
[00:07:13] >> And imagine if India did that and
[00:07:15] they're like, we have a Hindu Christian
[00:07:17] heritage and that's why you need to
[00:07:19] attack Pakistan.
[00:07:20] >> Yeah. And by the way, if you're not
[00:07:21] fortacking Pakistan, you're clearly
[00:07:23] being paid by Bhutan.
[00:07:25] >> Yeah. Yeah. Of course.
[00:07:26] >> People who are getting who are working
[00:07:27] for a foreign government accusing you
[00:07:30] who just want to stay out of it of
[00:07:31] working for a foreign government. Is
[00:07:32] that what gaslighting is?
[00:07:34] >> Yeah. Gaslighting is when the media uh
[00:07:36] says takes something very reasonable
[00:07:38] you're saying, and makes it sound like
[00:07:41] it's crazy. Like, so we say we gave them
[00:07:44] 21.7 billion in the middle of a
[00:07:46] genocide. Okay. So that's on top of the
[00:07:49] 300 billion, right? And that's by the
[00:07:52] way 10 to 12 billion we spent bombing
[00:07:53] Iran, Yemen, and almost all their
[00:07:55] enemies in the same period of time. We
[00:07:57] just gave them another 8.6 billion and
[00:07:59] another 3.3 billion that happened in the
[00:08:01] last 2 weeks. So when you say, let's
[00:08:03] just take one sliver of that. Hey, I
[00:08:06] didn't want to pay for a genocide. I
[00:08:08] didn't want to do that. Right? Whether
[00:08:09] it was the tide, the Bulgarians, the
[00:08:11] Israelis, I just I I don't want to kill
[00:08:13] 20,000 children. I don't want you to
[00:08:15] spend my money killing 20,000 children.
[00:08:18] I don't care what race or religion they
[00:08:19] are.
[00:08:19] >> Why are you so hateful?
[00:08:21] >> Exactly. And that's literally what they
[00:08:24] say.
[00:08:24] >> No, I'm I'm against killing kids. They
[00:08:25] didn't do anything actually.
[00:08:27] >> Yeah. And they say, "So you hate Jews?"
[00:08:29] That's gaslighting, right? Right. That's
[00:08:32] So wait,
[00:08:33] >> oh, I live in that country. Yeah, I know
[00:08:34] what that is.
[00:08:35] >> Yeah. So I'm the one trying to stop the
[00:08:37] killing. I'm for nonviolence. In fact,
[00:08:39] I'm religiously for nonviolence. If I
[00:08:41] have any religion at all, it's
[00:08:42] nonviolence. my heroes Martin Luther
[00:08:45] King and Gandhi and Mandela. And so I
[00:08:47] say do not do any violence to anyone. It
[00:08:50] would be in fact if someone is doing
[00:08:51] violence, they're against us, right? And
[00:08:54] I say I and don't and you just heard me
[00:08:56] say it. I say it a thousand times. I
[00:08:57] love Jewish people. This is not about
[00:08:59] the Jews. So but this country wants us
[00:09:02] to pay for a genocide. I just don't want
[00:09:03] to pay for a genocide. They listen to
[00:09:04] all that and they go, "Now everybody
[00:09:06] understand that Jenu is an anti-semite
[00:09:08] who hates Jews and is like an immoral
[00:09:10] person and if you're not pro- genocide,
[00:09:13] you're anti-Jewish." No, no, no. Don't
[00:09:14] say that. Don't say that cuz you're
[00:09:16] actually going to get my Jewish friends
[00:09:18] hurt. When you say you're anti- genocide
[00:09:21] means you're anti-Jewish, that equates
[00:09:23] Judaism with genocide. Don't Don't I
[00:09:26] don't know anything that drives up
[00:09:28] anti-semitism more than that. But but
[00:09:30] back to the original injustice and then
[00:09:32] we'll get back to more and more
[00:09:34] gaslighting because the gaslighting is
[00:09:35] another perfect symbol of what
[00:09:37] mainstream media does and establishment
[00:09:39] media does, right? They gaslight on
[00:09:41] almost every issue. So real quick, one
[00:09:43] more like big pharma, we can't negotiate
[00:09:46] drug prices. They're like that's pro-
[00:09:48] free markets.
[00:09:50] >> No negotiation. That's capitalism.
[00:09:53] >> Not being able to negotiate prices is
[00:09:55] the exact opposite of the free markets.
[00:09:58] Everything on television is a lie. It's
[00:10:00] all an illusion.
[00:10:01] >> That's very funny. I've never really
[00:10:02] thought about it like that, but that is
[00:10:04] so true.
[00:10:04] >> I mean, why are we not rebelling against
[00:10:06] the biggest socialist or communist
[00:10:08] program in American history that we're
[00:10:10] not allowed to negotiate drug prices?
[00:10:12] What kind of absurdity is that? And
[00:10:13] we're the only country on earth that
[00:10:15] that that applies to. So, it just they
[00:10:19] they're they're like magicians.
[00:10:21] Establishment media. CNN and MSNBC, Fox,
[00:10:24] New York Times, Washington Post. They're
[00:10:25] like, "Look here. Look here." Meanwhile,
[00:10:27] the ash is going on here.
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[00:11:42] does. Well, the original argument, as I
[00:11:45] remember, I was never involved in this,
[00:11:47] but I was in, you know, libertarian
[00:11:49] adjacent world a lot of my life. And so
[00:11:51] I remember hearing that argument and I
[00:11:53] remember thinking, "Yeah, what what is
[00:11:54] that?" And they were like, "No, no, no.
[00:11:56] If you were allowed to negotiate drug
[00:11:58] prices, you will kill pharma innovation
[00:12:00] in the United States and we lead the
[00:12:01] world in innovation." I'm like, "Okay, I
[00:12:03] guess." I didn't realize that a lot of
[00:12:05] pharma is just poison anyway. This is
[00:12:06] before the Sacklers, you know, killed a
[00:12:08] lot of people in Appalachia. And I was
[00:12:10] like, "Okay." But then you watch pharma
[00:12:13] offshore like they offshored. Like New
[00:12:15] Jersey, you grew up in New Jersey was a
[00:12:17] pharma stronghold. you know, Basking
[00:12:19] Ridge, that whole area is filled with
[00:12:20] pharma companies are making the drugs
[00:12:21] that they are not anymore. We don't make
[00:12:23] antibiotics. We don't make vitamin C. We
[00:12:24] don't make all these drugs because they
[00:12:26] offshore them. So, we protected them
[00:12:28] from fair competition by eliminating
[00:12:31] negotiation. And they left anyway. So,
[00:12:34] like what what's the upside here? I
[00:12:36] >> I gave you a thousand examples. We gave
[00:12:39] the semiconductor industry 50 some odd
[00:12:43] billion dollars under Biden. That was
[00:12:45] the chips act. And all the Democrats are
[00:12:47] like, "He's FDR 2.0." I'm like, "Guys,
[00:12:49] that's a $50 billion corporate subsidy."
[00:12:51] Okay. And did we put any guard rails in?
[00:12:53] So, did we say, "Hey, Intel, here's at
[00:12:56] least eight of the 50 billion going
[00:12:58] straight to you." I think it might have
[00:12:59] been 12 in that ballpark. So, now as
[00:13:02] condition to that, you're supposed to
[00:13:03] build here in America. So, you can't
[00:13:05] fire any Americans. If you fire any
[00:13:07] Americans, then obviously we're not
[00:13:08] going to give you the money because a
[00:13:10] sensible reason for us giving you the
[00:13:12] money is to build a semiconductor
[00:13:14] industry here in America. Exactly.
[00:13:16] Right. Intel fired 8,000 people right
[00:13:18] after the bill passed cuz there's no
[00:13:20] guard rails. Cuz why? Intel wrote
[00:13:22] >> Americans.
[00:13:23] >> 8,000 Americans. Of course, immediately.
[00:13:25] They fired him immediately. It's a joke.
[00:13:27] The whole thing's a joke that none of
[00:13:29] the politicians mean it. And the people
[00:13:31] that allow them to get away with all of
[00:13:33] this. So, so all of that is the robbery,
[00:13:35] right?
[00:13:36] >> Mainstream media is the getaway car.
[00:13:38] Okay? So, they come in and they make
[00:13:39] excuses. Oh, FDR 2.0. It's brilliant to
[00:13:43] give away your money to the
[00:13:44] semiconductor industry. It's brilliant
[00:13:46] to give it away to big former and to
[00:13:47] Israel and if any anybody objects
[00:13:49] they're conspiracy theorists and
[00:13:50] anti-semmites etc. Their job is not to
[00:13:53] cover the news it's to cover up the
[00:13:54] news. So I mean again look at
[00:13:57] >> that is literally true.
[00:13:58] >> Yeah. So Obama ran a campaign called a
[00:14:01] campaign ad called Billy back in 2008
[00:14:03] and it was about the deal to not
[00:14:05] negotiate drug prices. It was
[00:14:07] outrageous. Everyone hated it. A
[00:14:08] Democrat named Billy Tosen had
[00:14:10] negotiated it in Congress. That's why
[00:14:12] the ad was called Billy. And Obama was
[00:14:15] saying, "I'm not going to be like those
[00:14:17] Democrats." Right. Yeah. He got in,
[00:14:19] said, "We're not negotiating drug
[00:14:20] prices." Trump said, "We're gonna
[00:14:21] negotiate drug prices." Not gonna
[00:14:23] negotiate drug prices.
[00:14:24] >> I knew Billy Tosan really well. Uh
[00:14:26] wonderful guy from Shack Bay, Louisiana.
[00:14:28] Um just a really charming guy. I used to
[00:14:30] hunt with him a lot. And um I always
[00:14:32] loved him, still do. But he went from
[00:14:34] Congress to what do you know what his
[00:14:36] next job was?
[00:14:37] >> Lobbyist.
[00:14:38] >> Head of uh big pharma.
[00:14:40] >> Exactly. He was the head pharma
[00:14:41] lobbyist.
[00:14:42] >> And that's my point, Tucker. I'm not
[00:14:43] attacking him, but that that happened. I
[00:14:45] was there.
[00:14:46] >> Yeah.
[00:14:46] >> Like what?
[00:14:48] >> So mainstream media looks at that and
[00:14:51] goes, "No, I don't see it.
[00:14:53] >> I don't see it.
[00:14:54] >> I I I don't." Big farmer gives more like
[00:14:56] four times more than the Israeli lobby
[00:14:58] does. And they're like, "No, I don't see
[00:15:00] it." I'm like, "Isn't the adage follow
[00:15:02] the money?" Like, so here is an industry
[00:15:05] giving billions of dollars to
[00:15:06] politicians. That's a lot of money. Oh,
[00:15:08] yeah. 5,000 at a time, right? And then
[00:15:10] super PACs, etc. They seem like they're
[00:15:12] bribing almost all of Congress. No.
[00:15:14] Nope. Conspiracy theory. I had a um
[00:15:16] >> because they're bribing all the media,
[00:15:17] too, with drug companies.
[00:15:18] >> Of course, that's the number one
[00:15:20] advertisers are drug companies. Number
[00:15:22] two advertisers, by the way, are
[00:15:23] politicians. Why do they always say that
[00:15:26] politicians are honest and they're
[00:15:28] having real debates cuz politicians are
[00:15:30] actually their top clients. So, when you
[00:15:32] spend $17 billion in money in politics,
[00:15:35] where does it go? It goes almost all to
[00:15:38] establishment media to buy ads. So the
[00:15:41] Republican party and the Democratic
[00:15:42] Party are the best clients that CNN, New
[00:15:45] York Times have. So they are always
[00:15:48] talking about how great the Republican
[00:15:49] and Democratic parties are, how terrible
[00:15:52] primaries are. Primaries use up that
[00:15:54] money. We didn't get all those bribes to
[00:15:56] send it spend it in a primary. We we got
[00:16:00] it to have a fake fight in the general
[00:16:02] election where you have you paid the
[00:16:04] lesser of two evils. Haha, we got you.
[00:16:06] So that's you can that's the Rosetta
[00:16:08] Stone. money in politics. Once you see
[00:16:11] that, you see how politics works and you
[00:16:13] also see how media works, which then
[00:16:15] leads us back to Israel. So we say,
[00:16:16] guys, it they have contributed, Guardian
[00:16:19] did a piece on this. The Israeli lobby
[00:16:22] has contributed to 94% of Congress.
[00:16:25] Okay. First, do you think they did that
[00:16:27] for their health, for the general
[00:16:29] welfare, or do you think that every
[00:16:31] group they have is named after Israel
[00:16:33] because the whole point is to support
[00:16:35] Israel? Right. That's not a complicated
[00:16:37] question. It's the American Israeli
[00:16:39] political action committee. It's got
[00:16:41] Israel. One of the groups is called
[00:16:42] Democratic Majority for Israel. They ran
[00:16:46] $4 million worth of ads against Nina
[00:16:48] Turner, which is one of Bernie Sanders
[00:16:50] campaign shares uh to make sure that she
[00:16:52] was defeated by Shantel Brown. Shantel
[00:16:54] Brown was one of 11 people running
[00:16:56] against Nina Turner. Had almost no
[00:16:58] ratings at all. Nina had a 35point lead.
[00:17:00] She was running against Lilipuchian.
[00:17:02] Shantel Brown puts a a statement on her
[00:17:04] website saying how much she loves
[00:17:06] Israel. Boom. $4 million appears. All in
[00:17:09] favor of Shantel Brown. All against Nina
[00:17:11] Turner. That's her raising her hand,
[00:17:13] saying, "I will work for Israel."
[00:17:15] >> And what happened in the end?
[00:17:16] >> They erased a 35point lead. They bought
[00:17:19] every ad in Cleveland. And most
[00:17:21] importantly, they got mainstream media
[00:17:23] to say, "Now remember, Nina Turner hates
[00:17:26] Joe Biden, so she loves Donald Trump."
[00:17:29] Now that's Cleveland voters. They don't
[00:17:30] want that. Right now, is that true? No.
[00:17:33] She has has said a statement that voting
[00:17:36] for Biden is like eating a half bowl of
[00:17:38] But okay, but she said but voting
[00:17:43] for Trump is like eating a full bowl of
[00:17:45] So what am I going to do? I'll eat
[00:17:47] the half. Right. She they never ever put
[00:17:51] the second half of the statement in.
[00:17:53] They just said in every news story,
[00:17:56] whether it's on TV or in the newspapers,
[00:17:58] Nita Turner says voting for Biden is
[00:18:00] eating a half full of She's so
[00:18:03] Trump favored, but how could she be
[00:18:05] proTrump? The rest of the sentence says
[00:18:07] he's twice as bad. So people in
[00:18:09] mainstream media are giant liars.
[00:18:11] They've lied about me all the time. They
[00:18:12] lie about Republicans, Democrats, but
[00:18:14] mainly they lie to protect the donor
[00:18:17] class. So then again, back to Israel and
[00:18:19] because it's such a perfect symbol. 94%
[00:18:21] of Congress, it's not 34%. You add 34%,
[00:18:25] you can say, "Yeah, they have a lot of
[00:18:26] control. That's a lot of money that
[00:18:28] they're giving to a third of our
[00:18:29] Congress." says 64% you'd say come on
[00:18:32] they have enormous power if not control
[00:18:34] and 94% it's clearly control further uh
[00:18:38] story uh part of that guardian story is
[00:18:41] 82% of Congress votes basically with
[00:18:44] Israel every single time that 82% on
[00:18:47] average getsund just in that last
[00:18:49] election cycle let alone all the other
[00:18:51] ones $125,000
[00:18:54] per member of Congress now establishment
[00:18:58] media says that's not not a bribe.
[00:19:01] They're just talking to one another. Oh,
[00:19:03] hey, how you doing? Here's $125,000 so
[00:19:05] you'll vote for Israel, but it's not for
[00:19:07] so you'll vote for Israel. It's so you
[00:19:09] can have a better debate or whatever.
[00:19:11] And and they're like, of course, that's
[00:19:13] not a bribe and they don't control those
[00:19:14] members. Well, how come they vote with
[00:19:16] Israel every single time? Why don't you
[00:19:18] follow the money? I thought the old
[00:19:20] adage of journalism was follow the
[00:19:22] money. And every time we ask you to
[00:19:24] follow the money, you call us an
[00:19:25] anti-semite. That's really, really
[00:19:28] weird. That's a super weird thing to do.
[00:19:30] Again, Madlip, fill in any other
[00:19:32] country. Imagine that Bulgaria was
[00:19:36] giving to 94% of Congress
[00:19:39] >> or Great Britain or Sweden
[00:19:40] >> or any country. It
[00:19:41] >> doesn't matter.
[00:19:41] >> It doesn't matter. And you said, "Well,
[00:19:43] it seems like the Bulgarians are have
[00:19:46] 94% of our Congress locked up. HOW DARE
[00:19:49] YOU ANTI-BULGARIAN RACIST, you
[00:19:52] bulgarist."
[00:19:54] Right? It would be absurd. It would be
[00:19:56] absurd. So, of course, you have to point
[00:19:57] this out. So, and what have they gotten
[00:19:59] in return for the hundreds of millions
[00:20:02] that Apac and other Israeli lobby
[00:20:04] organizations have put into Congress? At
[00:20:06] this point, they've probably put in over
[00:20:08] a billion dollars collectively over all
[00:20:10] those years. So, well, what they've
[00:20:12] gotten back is over $300 billion in
[00:20:15] funding uh through the lifetime of
[00:20:16] Israel adjusted for inflation. That's
[00:20:19] before October 7th.
[00:20:21] October 7th, we add that 21.7. You could
[00:20:25] argue 10 or 12 billion more for the wars
[00:20:27] we're fighting for them. Those are not
[00:20:29] free. Every time we drop a bomb on Iran
[00:20:31] or Yemen or Nigeria, it cost us money or
[00:20:34] Iraq.
[00:20:35] >> Or Iraq.
[00:20:35] >> That's why we did that.
[00:20:36] >> Yeah. But look, if you get into that,
[00:20:38] the global war on terror, which is, if
[00:20:41] we're being honest, the global war
[00:20:42] against Israel's enemies cost us 8
[00:20:46] trillion.
[00:20:47] >> Right.
[00:20:47] >> So Israel's lucky if we don't count that
[00:20:49] 8 trillion.
[00:20:49] >> It's why we're bankrupt. Yeah. I mean,
[00:20:51] here we are at 38 trillion. And Tucker,
[00:20:53] that's the other amazing part.
[00:20:55] >> So now in the last two weeks, they give
[00:20:58] Trump gave another 8.6 billion totally
[00:21:00] unaccounted. Where's that 8.6 billion
[00:21:02] coming from? Did anybody ever vote for
[00:21:04] that 8.6 billion? And then unabated, he
[00:21:08] gave another 3.3 billion. Where is this
[00:21:10] money coming from? Is anybody voting on
[00:21:13] this? What is going on?
[00:21:15] >> It's these are IUs to countries that are
[00:21:18] buying our treasuries. Exactly. So
[00:21:20] that's the next layer of it. So you're
[00:21:23] telling us we have to borrow money from
[00:21:26] China and Japan so we can give money for
[00:21:28] free to Israel and then we pay the
[00:21:31] interest for the rest of our lives and
[00:21:33] they don't pay any interest. Well, why
[00:21:35] don't they borrow it from China and
[00:21:37] Japan?
[00:21:37] >> Exactly.
[00:21:38] >> Why are we borrowing it and give it to
[00:21:40] them?
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[00:22:16] 30th. And but can I ask you a question
[00:22:18] that really bothers me? Why don't people
[00:22:22] who support Israel or any foreign cause
[00:22:25] pay for the cause themselves? Like there
[00:22:28] are a lot of very rich people. I know
[00:22:29] some I like some who are, you know,
[00:22:32] profoundly pro-Israel and really think
[00:22:33] about it a lot, care about it a lot,
[00:22:35] have friends and family. They're great.
[00:22:37] Why don't they and some of these people
[00:22:38] are worth billions and billions and
[00:22:40] billions. Why don't they why do
[00:22:42] taxpayers have to pay for this? Why
[00:22:43] don't they just donate the money to
[00:22:45] Israel? I'd never have understood that
[00:22:46] and no one will answer that question.
[00:22:48] >> Uh because of leverage and economies of
[00:22:50] scale. So let's take Larry Ellison as an
[00:22:53] example. So to be fair to Larry Ellison,
[00:22:56] the founder of Oracle, he actually did
[00:22:57] the thing that you say. He gave $16
[00:23:00] million to the IDF in the middle of the
[00:23:02] genocide uh as a donation.
[00:23:04] >> How about five billion? I mean that's
[00:23:05] $16 million for It's not much actually.
[00:23:07] >> Yeah. So I'm I'm going to get back. So
[00:23:10] he's like, "Hey, genocide. Well done.
[00:23:12] Keep genociding. Here's 16 million more.
[00:23:15] It's a really it's an outrageous thing
[00:23:17] to do, but okay. You love Israel. You
[00:23:18] love that they're committing a genocide
[00:23:19] against Palestinians. You despise
[00:23:21] Palestinians. You're deeply racist. And
[00:23:24] you you're a bigot against Muslims.
[00:23:25] That's your business, Larry. Okay. So,
[00:23:28] but now he thinks, wait a minute. What
[00:23:30] if I give to American politicians and
[00:23:32] then instead of me giving the 5 billion
[00:23:35] or the 50 billion, we get to sucker
[00:23:37] American taxpayers to give it, right? So
[00:23:40] now, how can I do that? It's actually
[00:23:41] simple.
[00:23:41] >> It's so dishonorable that I can I can't
[00:23:43] really even fit that in my head
[00:23:45] >> to to folks.
[00:23:46] >> I don't force other people to pay for
[00:23:48] charities I support. I mean, I support
[00:23:51] them because I support them. I mean,
[00:23:52] that's what integrity is. I can't
[00:23:54] imagine sticking a gun in someone's face
[00:23:56] and say, "You have to donate to my
[00:23:57] charity."
[00:23:58] >> Yeah. So, and in this case, it's not a
[00:24:00] charity. It's a
[00:24:01] >> no cause that you believe in, you know.
[00:24:03] Okay.
[00:24:03] >> Yeah. So, then uh Drop Site News has
[00:24:06] done some terrific reporting and they
[00:24:08] found uh emails of a Hud Barack, the
[00:24:10] former prime minister of Israel and and
[00:24:12] others.
[00:24:12] >> Can I say it? Drop site news has done
[00:24:13] some amazing reporting.
[00:24:15] >> Yeah. Fantastic.
[00:24:16] >> It's unbelievable.
[00:24:17] >> And in fact, the way that establishment
[00:24:18] media is not covering their stories
[00:24:20] shows you what a joke it is.
[00:24:21] >> Dropsite news breaks more story. I I
[00:24:23] didn't really was wasn't really sure
[00:24:24] what it was until recently. They're
[00:24:25] breaking more stories than the New York
[00:24:27] Times, Washington Post put together by
[00:24:29] far.
[00:24:30] >> Yeah, it's not an accident. Uh that's
[00:24:32] because they're trying to break stories
[00:24:33] and the New York Times
[00:24:35] >> is trying to do the opposite. And
[00:24:37] Epstein stories are amazing and we
[00:24:39] should get back to
[00:24:40] >> they're unbelievable. I'm sorry to
[00:24:41] interrupt. Just wanted to say that.
[00:24:42] >> No, no, absolutely. So, Drop Site News
[00:24:45] found uh emails of Larry Ellison talking
[00:24:47] to the Israeli ambassador and he says,
[00:24:50] this is back in 2016 u 2015 2016 that
[00:24:53] campaign and he says, "I'm going to go
[00:24:55] vet Marco Rubio for Israel." Now,
[00:24:59] remember Larry Ellison's ostensively an
[00:25:01] American. Okay. But he doesn't he's
[00:25:03] talking to the Israeli ambassador and
[00:25:05] says, "I'm going to make sure Marco
[00:25:07] Rubio is on Israel's side." Then he goes
[00:25:10] and talks to him at a party. He comes
[00:25:12] back and then reports back to the
[00:25:13] Israeli ambassador. Don't worry, he's on
[00:25:16] our side. I'm giving him five million
[00:25:18] for his super PAC. By the way, at that
[00:25:20] time, that's against Donald Trump. Okay.
[00:25:22] So, that's Larry Ellison saying, I'm
[00:25:25] basically buying Marco Rubio on behalf
[00:25:27] of Israel. So, that doesn't even go to
[00:25:29] Marco Rubio's Apac tracker. On Apac
[00:25:32] tracker, he's over a million dollars
[00:25:33] from the Israeli lobby, but they've got
[00:25:35] all this secret money and their super
[00:25:37] PACs and the all other things that they
[00:25:39] have. And in that case, he's caught
[00:25:40] because we have his emails. So don't
[00:25:44] tell me he's not working for the
[00:25:45] Israelis when we have emails showing he
[00:25:48] works for the Israelis. And then what is
[00:25:49] the re consequence of that? Hey, look at
[00:25:51] that. Marco Rubio, Secretary of State.
[00:25:53] And now we're going to war against Iran,
[00:25:55] maybe Venezuela. We're doing everything
[00:25:56] that Israel wants. And so that's a nice
[00:25:59] break they caught. What a coincidence.
[00:26:01] And by the way, this is not a partisan
[00:26:03] issue. You had Obama's former speech
[00:26:06] writer go out the other day and say, "We
[00:26:08] probably overtaught the Holocaust to our
[00:26:10] kids." Okay. This woman, I think Sarah
[00:26:12] Herurwitz, but if I got the name wrong.
[00:26:14] That's right.
[00:26:15] >> Yeah. Uh, so that's off the top of my
[00:26:17] head of of who she is, but she Obama
[00:26:20] speech writer and she says we should we
[00:26:22] we taught them the Nazis were strong and
[00:26:25] oppressed the weak, but now Israel is
[00:26:28] strong and and targeting the weak, so we
[00:26:31] shouldn't teach that anymore. I'm like,
[00:26:32] "Do you hear yourself? Do you hear what
[00:26:34] you're saying?" And then at Free Press,
[00:26:36] somebody wrote an article about, "Oh,
[00:26:38] our kids, they they're against genocide
[00:26:41] now. What did we do wrong?" You didn't
[00:26:42] do anything wrong. You taught them a
[00:26:44] wonderful thing. You told them you
[00:26:45] taught them Jewish culture. Never again.
[00:26:47] Stick up for the underdog. Question
[00:26:49] authority.
[00:26:49] >> You can't murder innocents. I mean, that
[00:26:52] is that's like a baseline. You can't
[00:26:54] murder people who didn't do anything
[00:26:55] wrong cuz it is murder. There's no
[00:26:57] justification for killing innocent
[00:26:58] people ever. So, if you think about it,
[00:27:01] let's just take the Marco Rubio example,
[00:27:03] and I'm not putting it all on Rubio.
[00:27:04] It's a giant institution and
[00:27:06] infrastructure, and like I said, it's
[00:27:07] 94% of Congress, right? But you put in 5
[00:27:10] million of Marco Rubio. A decade later,
[00:27:12] he's Secretary of State. And in the
[00:27:14] middle of your genocide, you got 21.7
[00:27:16] billion. Now, if you're Larry Ellison,
[00:27:19] do you want to put in the 20 bill1
[00:27:20] billion yourself or do you want to put
[00:27:22] in 5 million to a politician and then
[00:27:25] you get the 21 billion for free?
[00:27:27] The problem is that it it treats the
[00:27:30] people who are giving the money against
[00:27:32] their will. There's never been a vote on
[00:27:33] this. It would if there was a national
[00:27:35] referendum on should we be sending tens
[00:27:37] of billions of dollars to a country uh
[00:27:39] not our own. Of course, it would it
[00:27:40] would fail immediately. But it treats
[00:27:43] those people
[00:27:45] um very badly as kind of subhuman. Like
[00:27:48] who cares what they think? We're just
[00:27:50] going to take their money in debt their
[00:27:51] children unto the generations. And it
[00:27:53] just the contempt that that displays for
[00:27:56] Americans is is unsettling to me.
[00:27:58] >> So I have a proposal on that uh Tucker.
[00:28:01] So why don't we do a poll and I
[00:28:03] challenge SN New York Times Gallup
[00:28:05] anyone to do this poll and if none of
[00:28:07] them accept the challenge then we'll do
[00:28:09] the poll. We'll commission the poll and
[00:28:10] then we'll see and then they could
[00:28:12] verify it if they like. And the poll is
[00:28:15] does America owe Israel any more money?
[00:28:18] Because every pundit on television say
[00:28:20] we owe Israel. We owe Israel. I they
[00:28:22] never explain why, right? You owe
[00:28:24] >> people really say that
[00:28:26] >> all the time they say, "Okay, what do
[00:28:28] you mean 300 billion? You owe Israel. Of
[00:28:30] course, you should pay them 300 billion.
[00:28:31] Why do Why do I pay them 21 or 31
[00:28:34] billion in the middle of a genocide? You
[00:28:36] owe Israel. Why do I owe Israel? No one
[00:28:38] ever explains." No one ever explains.
[00:28:40] >> They actually I've never heard that.
[00:28:41] They actually say that out loud. We owe
[00:28:42] them.
[00:28:43] >> Of course. Of course.
[00:28:44] >> For what? Where's the debt from?
[00:28:46] >> Yeah. And so, and when I press I press
[00:28:50] on every one of these talking points.
[00:28:51] That's part of why they despise me,
[00:28:53] right? And I say, "Okay, help me
[00:28:55] understand that. Why? Why? Why would we
[00:28:57] owe Israel?" Well, they suffered a
[00:28:58] Holocaust. The Jewish people, well,
[00:29:00] first of all, the Jewish people did, not
[00:29:01] Israel, right? That's different. Okay,
[00:29:03] but wait, we rescued them from the
[00:29:06] Holocaust.
[00:29:07] >> And all those Americans died, a lot of
[00:29:09] hundreds of thousands of Americans died
[00:29:12] fighting war.
[00:29:13] >> If we rescued them from the Holocaust,
[00:29:15] why do we owe them money? It's like none
[00:29:18] of these talking points make any sense.
[00:29:19] If you all you do is, you know, just
[00:29:21] prick the bubble and and it people
[00:29:23] instantly go, "Oh, wait a minute. Lift
[00:29:25] the curtain." So, here we rescued,
[00:29:26] >> but they'll actually say that.
[00:29:28] >> Yeah. So, the Bosnians, right, for
[00:29:30] example, right? We rescued them from a
[00:29:32] genocide from the Serbs, right? And I'm
[00:29:34] proud of that. I think we did uh, you
[00:29:36] know, we saved tons and tons of lives.
[00:29:39] And you can say maybe we shouldn't have
[00:29:40] interfered. Maybe we should be more
[00:29:41] isolationist. It's a good debate, but at
[00:29:43] least we did something demonstrably good
[00:29:45] there. Okay. Did the Bosnians after we
[00:29:48] rescue them from the genocide come and
[00:29:49] to say to us, you owe us? No. They said,
[00:29:52] "Thank you. You, by the way, you won't
[00:29:54] find anyone on this planet who loves
[00:29:56] Americans more than Bosnians." Okay? And
[00:29:59] so, they love America. They appreciate
[00:30:01] America. Poland lost 5 million people in
[00:30:04] the Holocaust. 1.8 million non-Jews, 3
[00:30:07] million Jews. So, after the Holocaust,
[00:30:10] Poland could have said, "You owe us."
[00:30:12] No, we saved Poland. Russia saved
[00:30:15] Poland. We saved Jews. Russia saved
[00:30:17] Jews. By the way, did Russia ever get a
[00:30:18] thank you after losing what 20 million
[00:30:21] or so people in the war, right? Instead,
[00:30:24] now Israel's constantly attacking
[00:30:26] Russia. I got no love for Russia. I
[00:30:28] think Putin is wrong. I I don't I don't
[00:30:30] think he should have invaded Ukraine.
[00:30:31] But wait a minute. Why does anybody owe
[00:30:34] Israel for anything? It doesn't make any
[00:30:36] sense at all.
[00:30:36] >> No, it doesn't.
[00:30:37] >> Okay. So, now they want a new memorandum
[00:30:40] of understanding. They were going to try
[00:30:41] to make it 20 years and partly because
[00:30:44] of you and us and all the people that
[00:30:46] are going wait why that a memorandum of
[00:30:49] understanding is a president saying we
[00:30:52] owe you for the next 10 years 20 years
[00:30:54] etc.
[00:30:54] >> And that's a that's an agreement between
[00:30:57] the United States and Israel.
[00:30:58] >> Yes. So for example, Obama signed a
[00:31:01] 10-year memorandum of understanding
[00:31:02] saying we owe Israel 3.8 billion every
[00:31:06] year for 10 years.
[00:31:07] >> So no votes on it during that period.
[00:31:09] The only votes you get is it gets put
[00:31:11] automatically into the budget every
[00:31:13] year. And once it gets put in, you have
[00:31:15] to actively take it out. But if you go
[00:31:18] to take it out, they'll call you an
[00:31:19] anti-semite and try to ruin your career.
[00:31:21] I have amazing stories about that. Um
[00:31:23] Marie Newman, a US congresswoman, uh
[00:31:26] voted against one of the appropriations
[00:31:28] that Israel got. Four Democratic
[00:31:31] colleagues come on the floor of the
[00:31:33] House and say, "How dare you?
[00:31:37] you. How dare you vote against Israel.
[00:31:39] We're going to take away all your money.
[00:31:41] >> Actually, that yes, you could ask Marina
[00:31:43] about it. She said it on the Young
[00:31:44] Turks.
[00:31:45] >> This happened just a couple years ago.
[00:31:47] Okay. She was in Congress from Illinois.
[00:31:49] They said, "We're going to take away all
[00:31:50] your money and we're going to spend a
[00:31:51] ton of money against you."
[00:31:53] >> Her own party.
[00:31:54] >> Yeah. Her own party. And that's what
[00:31:56] happened. They spent about 4 million
[00:31:57] against her. Eliminated.
[00:31:58] >> Uh, no way.
[00:32:00] >> Andy Lean, a Jewish American congressman
[00:32:03] from Michigan, kind of a legendary
[00:32:05] Jewish family in Michigan. Yeah, Car was
[00:32:06] a senator.
[00:32:07] >> Sander Le.
[00:32:08] >> Yeah. Andy Lean says two-state solution.
[00:32:10] He says, "I love Israel. I'm a Zionist."
[00:32:12] Okay, but obviously we should have a
[00:32:15] free and independent Israel and a free
[00:32:16] and independent Palestine. 4 million
[00:32:18] against Andy Leven eliminated.
[00:32:20] >> No way.
[00:32:21] >> Eliminated. Jamal Bowman. You think it
[00:32:23] was about the fire alarm, right? You
[00:32:26] might be upset about the fire alarm or
[00:32:27] whatever else Jamal Bowman did. They
[00:32:29] spent the Israeli lobby spent 19 million
[00:32:32] eliminating Jamal Bowman. Cy Bush
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[00:33:39] you a qu I mean this this is shocking
[00:33:41] and I I'm I'll confess I don't follow
[00:33:44] the details of Democratic politics
[00:33:45] closely enough to have heard of any of
[00:33:47] this. I knew about Jamal Bowman but the
[00:33:49] rest I didn't. So
[00:33:51] I'm I wonder about that strategy which
[00:33:53] they're now employing on the right and
[00:33:55] trying to you know slandering people as
[00:33:57] Nazis or trying to get them killed um
[00:34:00] which they're doing. Uh but I wonder
[00:34:03] like as a strategy obviously it's
[00:34:04] immoral but does it actually work? Isn't
[00:34:06] it better to say as you would in any
[00:34:09] negotiation like here are the things I
[00:34:10] actually care about let's see if we can
[00:34:12] come to terms like allow a little bit of
[00:34:14] flexibility. There's no flexibility
[00:34:17] allowed.
[00:34:18] >> Well Tucker congrats. you uh have forced
[00:34:20] Israel into some flexibility almost
[00:34:23] single-handedly.
[00:34:24] >> I don't feel that at all. I feel that um
[00:34:26] because I've never been against Israel
[00:34:28] and I'm not against Israel now. I'm not
[00:34:29] against any person actually. And I'm
[00:34:31] certainly as a Christian totally opposed
[00:34:34] to hating a group based on its blood.
[00:34:36] That would include whites, blacks,
[00:34:39] Hispanics, Turks, and Jews. And I mean
[00:34:41] that. So, whatever. I've really tried to
[00:34:43] be like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's settle
[00:34:44] this down." It doesn't work. And I just
[00:34:46] wonder that doesn't seem like a good
[00:34:48] strategy. I guess that's what I'm
[00:34:49] saying. Like just as a negotiating
[00:34:51] >> position, it's like you have to have
[00:34:53] some willingness to move. You can't be
[00:34:56] that rigid or you're not going to win in
[00:34:58] the end.
[00:34:59] >> Yeah. So, the reason I said that is
[00:35:01] because look, first let's distinguish.
[00:35:03] There's
[00:35:05] mainstream media purposely blends all
[00:35:07] these things together. Uh partly because
[00:35:10] Israel wants to use Jewish Americans as
[00:35:12] human shields. They want to say if
[00:35:14] you're attacking us, you're attacking
[00:35:15] Jewish Americans. And so you're not
[00:35:18] allowed to. You're not allowed to.
[00:35:19] Right? But in reality, there's Jews as
[00:35:22] people/Jewishameans.
[00:35:24] Then there's how you feel about Israel.
[00:35:26] Then there's how you feel about the
[00:35:28] Israeli government.
[00:35:30] >> Right? We are talking about the current
[00:35:32] Israeli government. And they say, "No,
[00:35:34] you're talking about Jews." Because they
[00:35:35] want to hide behind that. Right? When we
[00:35:38] keep saying, "No, not the Jews." And
[00:35:39] they're like, "No, the Jews. The Jews."
[00:35:41] We're like, "Stop saying the Jews. It's
[00:35:42] not the Jews."
[00:35:43] >> Well, moreover, I get to define what I
[00:35:44] think and what I'm talking about. And
[00:35:46] let me repeat myself. I think
[00:35:48] anti-semitism is immoral and I won't
[00:35:50] engage in it ever. Period. So I get to
[00:35:53] decide because I'm a sovereign man what
[00:35:55] I think and I can try to express it as
[00:35:57] well as I can. You no one has a right to
[00:36:00] tell you what you think.
[00:36:01] >> Yeah. It's it's it's really obnoxious to
[00:36:03] the
[00:36:03] >> Orwellian. It's like are you in charge
[00:36:05] of my soul? I don't think you are.
[00:36:07] >> So I for example I'm an atheist. So what
[00:36:09] does that mean? That means I think all
[00:36:10] humans are pretty much the same
[00:36:12] genetically. Right? That's I'm stone
[00:36:14] cold. Uh, so if you told me a Jewish, a
[00:36:16] Muslim, a Christian, a Hindu is
[00:36:18] different, I'm philosophically opposed
[00:36:21] to that. I'm ideologically opposed to
[00:36:22] that. I'm scientifically opposed to
[00:36:24] that. I just think it's wrong. It's not
[00:36:26] it's incorrect, factually incorrect. So
[00:36:28] that is a distraction and a and and
[00:36:31] they've now weaponized the term
[00:36:33] anti-semitism, which also does a lot of
[00:36:36] damage because when real anti-semitism
[00:36:38] comes, people will think, "Oh, those are
[00:36:40] the heroes fighting against the
[00:36:41] genocide." Right? That's what I was
[00:36:42] told. But it also scares people. I mean,
[00:36:44] I've experienced this a lot in my
[00:36:46] personal life where people I know and
[00:36:48] love have been convinced that I'm, you
[00:36:52] know, Nazi or Nazi adjacent or hate Jews
[00:36:55] or whatever, and that I'm trying to hurt
[00:36:59] people, which is literally the opposite
[00:37:01] of what I would ever do, want to do. I
[00:37:04] don't agree with that at all. And I say
[00:37:06] that constantly. But they've whipped
[00:37:08] people into a frenzy, praying upon their
[00:37:10] deepest fears. And there are many
[00:37:13] victims of that kind of evil. But one of
[00:37:15] the victims is the people who are being
[00:37:17] terrified. Like people are terrified.
[00:37:19] >> I think actually the number one um
[00:37:22] target of Israeli propaganda is Jewish
[00:37:25] Americans.
[00:37:25] >> Of course,
[00:37:26] >> they say, "Oh, if it's not for Israel,
[00:37:28] the whole world hates you and you're all
[00:37:30] going to die. You're all going to die.
[00:37:32] Everyone hates you. Your only protection
[00:37:35] is it's a hate that can't be even
[00:37:38] reasoned with or discussed. You don't
[00:37:40] have to know anything about why people
[00:37:42] disagree. It's hate. It's fundamentally
[00:37:44] irrational and it will never end. And
[00:37:48] until they kill you or you kill them,
[00:37:50] it's like whoa. That is a very heavy
[00:37:53] thing. First of all, it's untrue.
[00:37:55] Second, you're inspiring violence by
[00:37:57] talking like that. I mean, that the only
[00:37:59] end point of that kind of thinking is
[00:38:00] violence. It can only be solved by
[00:38:02] violence. Kill or be killed. That's what
[00:38:04] they're saying.
[00:38:05] >> Yeah. And so again, mad libit say, okay,
[00:38:08] let's say that you oppose something the
[00:38:10] Turkish government did, which I hope you
[00:38:11] do because they've done plenty of bad
[00:38:13] things. I oppose a bunch of things that
[00:38:15] the Turkish government has done. If
[00:38:16] after you
[00:38:17] >> I just don't like Turks. That's that's
[00:38:18] my problem.
[00:38:20] >> But I mean, that's the point, right? If
[00:38:21] if you said, "Hey, you know, I don't
[00:38:23] think the Turks should have gone into
[00:38:24] northern Syria." And I say,
[00:38:25] "Anti-Turkish racist." You'd be like,
[00:38:28] "What? What kind of lunatic are you?"
[00:38:30] Right? That's not a thing. That doesn't
[00:38:33] just because you disagree with the
[00:38:34] actions of a government at this time
[00:38:37] doesn't mean that you hate Turks in
[00:38:39] perpetuity forever and ever. You hated
[00:38:42] them before, you hate them afterward.
[00:38:43] No, I just don't agree. Look, I didn't
[00:38:45] agree with the Iraq war. Does that mean
[00:38:47] I hate Americans? No, it means I don't
[00:38:49] agree with that government action taken
[00:38:51] at that time.
[00:38:52] >> It's and all of that is very logical
[00:38:54] until you get to Israel and then they
[00:38:56] flip it on its head. But can you see how
[00:38:59] irrational and fear-based the
[00:39:01] conversation is becoming and the cost to
[00:39:04] American society? Not even having
[00:39:05] anything to do with Israel, but just
[00:39:06] that way of thinking is a scary way of
[00:39:09] thinking. First of all, it's identity
[00:39:11] politics in its purest form. You know,
[00:39:13] this group versus that group, this group
[00:39:15] has special rights. This group has fewer
[00:39:16] rights. I mean, this is everything that
[00:39:18] I hate and disagree with as a Christian.
[00:39:20] But can you see the cost to the whole
[00:39:24] society because of this?
[00:39:25] >> Enormous cost. So, you know,
[00:39:28] >> making people hate each other.
[00:39:29] >> Yeah. Look, I'm I'll go back to the
[00:39:31] stats on how awful the genocide was and
[00:39:33] all of that, but to me, at least as bad
[00:39:36] is the control over this country. Okay.
[00:39:40] And I came here to be free and I came
[00:39:42] here for American sovereignty.
[00:39:44] >> How old were you when you came?
[00:39:45] >> 8 years old. My family came here uh
[00:39:48] because my dad is an enormous believer
[00:39:50] in America. Like, you won't find a
[00:39:52] family who loves America more than we
[00:39:53] do, right? And by the way, he had that
[00:39:56] belief in faith and it was met. We came
[00:39:59] here and that faith was true. That hope
[00:40:03] was delivered. And we have lived amazing
[00:40:06] lives in this country because of the
[00:40:08] opportunity and the hope that this
[00:40:09] country provided. And by the way, our
[00:40:11] answer to that is thank you.
[00:40:13] >> Amen. I feel that way. I feel grateful.
[00:40:15] >> Yeah. I'm enormously grateful to
[00:40:17] America. And by the way, when America
[00:40:18] helps you, the correct answer is thank
[00:40:20] you. Not you owe me.
[00:40:22] >> Okay. Give me more. That's not the
[00:40:24] correct answer, right?
[00:40:25] >> And it's not taken as a correct answer
[00:40:27] from any other country. But when it
[00:40:28] comes to Israel and they say, "No, give
[00:40:30] me more." Right?
[00:40:31] >> We supposed to say, "Oh, thank you,
[00:40:33] sir." No, I don't want to say thank you.
[00:40:34] >> You have children. How would you respond
[00:40:36] to your children if they said that to
[00:40:38] you?
[00:40:38] >> Oh, you that would be a mistake for
[00:40:40] them. Yes.
[00:40:41] >> Oh, you can't.
[00:40:42] >> And there would be consequence.
[00:40:43] >> Oh, yeah. You can't put up with that.
[00:40:45] Not for one second. You degrade
[00:40:46] yourself. You hurt the person you're
[00:40:49] dealing with because you inspire more of
[00:40:51] that behavior which is totally bad
[00:40:53] behavior. Yeah. It's so unhealth. I
[00:40:56] mean, how could we get how do we get
[00:40:58] into this? Yeah. Let me let me give you
[00:41:00] two examples about how they are taking
[00:41:02] our freedom away. Okay. So, a friend of
[00:41:04] mine runs a company in LA. Uh he gets an
[00:41:07] email from what looks like probably a
[00:41:09] bot, but it could be an Israeli troll,
[00:41:11] whatever it is. But some
[00:41:14] writing in saying, "We found out that
[00:41:16] one of your American workers is an
[00:41:18] anti-semite and you should fire her."
[00:41:20] He's like, "Really? Oh, I didn't know
[00:41:22] that. What did she do? Did she attack
[00:41:25] someone? Did she say something
[00:41:26] outrageous?" And he finds out that she
[00:41:28] had put up a Palestinian flag during the
[00:41:32] genocide in support of like, "Hey, I'm
[00:41:33] against the genocide, these poor people
[00:41:35] on her Facebook account." That's it.
[00:41:37] Nothing against it.
[00:41:38] >> You're allowed to have that view. You
[00:41:39] can support the Palestinians. You can
[00:41:40] support Hamas. She can support whatever
[00:41:41] you want as an American,
[00:41:42] >> but she's not supporting Hamas. She's
[00:41:44] not
[00:41:44] >> I get it. But like, let's just remind
[00:41:46] ourselves that we have a full range of
[00:41:49] intellectual freedom because of the
[00:41:51] First Amendment and because God gave us
[00:41:52] those rights, not any administration. So
[00:41:55] like, you cannot allow infringement on
[00:41:57] those rights. She doesn't even say
[00:41:59] anything against Israel, let alone Jews.
[00:42:01] She just says, you know, just has the
[00:42:03] Palestinian flag. They're like that's
[00:42:05] just an average American. It's not
[00:42:06] Tucker Carlson. It's not Jane Girl with
[00:42:08] She doesn't have a show. just a random
[00:42:09] American. Now all of a sudden the
[00:42:11] Israelis are emailing your boss and
[00:42:14] saying if they dare even support the
[00:42:16] Palestinians, treat them as humans,
[00:42:19] they're anti-semites and they should be
[00:42:21] fired. No. No. That's oppression. That's
[00:42:23] oppression. And it's against the average
[00:42:25] American. I can't stand it. Okay. So you
[00:42:27] and I get attacked is oppression
[00:42:29] non-stop. But I get it. We're in the
[00:42:31] media. We're in wars, right? These
[00:42:33] information wars, these media wars, etc.
[00:42:35] But leave average Americans out of it.
[00:42:37] And they and they won't tolerate it.
[00:42:39] They won't tolerate any disscent any
[00:42:41] disscent at all.
[00:42:42] >> What is that?
[00:42:43] >> Because so you know why Tucker, it's
[00:42:46] worked for them. So now that gives leads
[00:42:48] to the second example, Barry Weiss,
[00:42:50] right? So Barry Weiss claims she's like,
[00:42:53] remember when she was at the New York
[00:42:54] Times, she's fighting against cancel
[00:42:56] culture. Our college campuses have been
[00:42:58] taken over by cancel culture. She
[00:43:00] promoted cancel culture when she was on
[00:43:02] the campus of her college Columbia when
[00:43:04] she pushed for anyone who was against
[00:43:07] Israel to be silenced. I mean, she's
[00:43:09] always been for cancel culture.
[00:43:12] >> Exactly. So, she actually started her
[00:43:14] career as a student who went around
[00:43:17] saying, "I'm proudly Zionist and I'm
[00:43:20] going to try to take out Arab Arab and
[00:43:22] Muslim professors who don't tow the line
[00:43:25] for Israel." So, she got famous doing
[00:43:28] cancel culture on college campus.
[00:43:30] >> Oh, I remember very well.
[00:43:31] >> Then she pretends in the middle of her
[00:43:33] career that she's against cancel
[00:43:34] culture, specifically on college
[00:43:35] campuses. I mean, the lie is so brazen,
[00:43:38] right? And then she goes to free press
[00:43:41] and then starts cancel culture again on
[00:43:43] college campuses. They spoke out against
[00:43:46] Israel. They should be fired. They
[00:43:47] should be arrested.
[00:43:48] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:43:49] >> It's wait.
[00:43:51] >> I'm a dangerous Nazi.
[00:43:52] >> Yeah. Wait,
[00:43:54] you're talking about arresting Americans
[00:43:58] for disagreeing with another government,
[00:44:01] with another country? I mean, if you're
[00:44:03] not bothered by that, then you're you're
[00:44:06] you have a servant mindset, right?
[00:44:08] >> Yes.
[00:44:08] >> These folks obviously have 94% of
[00:44:10] Congress. They obviously pro-Israel
[00:44:13] factions have almost all of established
[00:44:16] media. We can come back to why, okay?
[00:44:18] And I'm okay with it. I will serve them.
[00:44:22] Well, I'm not okay with it. I I don't
[00:44:23] want to bow. I love that America's free.
[00:44:26] We came for that freedom and that
[00:44:27] freedom is delivered for us. But I don't
[00:44:29] want to give it away. I don't want to
[00:44:30] give it away to anyone. If I wanted to
[00:44:32] give away my freedom, I would have
[00:44:33] stayed in the Middle East.
[00:44:34] >> Yeah.
[00:44:35] >> Okay. I came here for the promise of
[00:44:37] America. Our family did. So, and and you
[00:44:40] know, among among Muslim Americans,
[00:44:43] there is no group. I I was born Muslim.
[00:44:46] I'm atheist now. Okay. So, I at 22, I
[00:44:50] went through the religions. It wasn't
[00:44:51] for me. Okay. But am I going to defend
[00:44:53] the my family and my background? Sure I
[00:44:55] am. Of course. Right. But ideologically
[00:44:58] I'm atheist. So um
[00:45:01] I had we this country had room for me.
[00:45:04] And this country didn't ask are you
[00:45:05] Muslim? Are you atheist? Are you this?
[00:45:07] Are you that? It just it gave me the
[00:45:09] same rights as anyone else. And I love
[00:45:12] that. And I'm I'm pretty sure I mean
[00:45:14] Erdogan's taking away democracy in
[00:45:15] Turkey in my opinion. Yes.
[00:45:16] >> And he's done some good foreign policy
[00:45:18] but his his domestic policy I'm I'm
[00:45:20] against. Okay. If I stayed in Turkey, I
[00:45:22] would almost certainly be in prison at
[00:45:24] this point. Right. And here I'm not in
[00:45:26] prison.
[00:45:27] >> No.
[00:45:27] >> And if you turn America into an occupied
[00:45:30] nation, that's not what we came for.
[00:45:32] That's not what I mean. That's against
[00:45:34] the core of what America is. And if
[00:45:36] they're paying 94% of Congress, we're
[00:45:39] occupied.
[00:45:40] >> Yes,
[00:45:40] >> we are. What? And it's not just Israel.
[00:45:43] We're occupied by big pharma and big oil
[00:45:44] and defense contractors. But all those
[00:45:47] politicians represent those people and
[00:45:49] not us. I would love my driving goal is
[00:45:53] regain American sovereignty. And when I
[00:45:55] go to talk to Muslim groups, a they say,
[00:45:58] "Look, now all of a sudden they're very
[00:46:00] open to the rightwing." Why are they
[00:46:02] open to the right-wing? Cuz you,
[00:46:04] Candace, Megan, and others are saying,
[00:46:07] "Hey, maybe we got fed a lot of
[00:46:08] propaganda to hate Muslims because they
[00:46:12] happen to be Israel's enemies."
[00:46:13] >> Well, of course. And so maybe all that
[00:46:16] media about how they're all oh they're
[00:46:18] terrorists terrorists there and you look
[00:46:20] at it and go and we were taught by books
[00:46:22] that Robert Maxwell bought uh that um
[00:46:27] Israel was attacked in 1948. Israel was
[00:46:29] attacked in 1967. Israel's always the
[00:46:31] victim victim. Victim and then you look
[00:46:33] you go wait a minute 1967 Israel
[00:46:36] attacked. I was lied to. No. Israel
[00:46:39] attacked all of its neighbors and
[00:46:40] destroyed their military their air
[00:46:42] forces before they even got up off the
[00:46:43] ground. Right. And they called that a
[00:46:45] preemptive strike. So that became the
[00:46:49] new self-defense is offense. And what
[00:46:51] did we do in Iraq? Preemptive strike. We
[00:46:54] went into Iraq and they could have
[00:46:57] weapons of mass destruction. By the way,
[00:46:59] where did we get that false
[00:47:00] intelligence? Israel. At the time, Ariel
[00:47:03] Chiron was saying Iraq is Israel's
[00:47:07] number one enemy. Iraq at the time, by
[00:47:09] the way, hated al Qaeda. Al Qaeda
[00:47:11] attacked us.
[00:47:12] >> Of course, was a ba'ist government. And
[00:47:13] it was secular. They had tons of
[00:47:14] Christians in the government.
[00:47:16] >> Yeah. Not only that, Al Qaeda constantly
[00:47:18] attacked the local rulers. So if Saddam
[00:47:22] ever caught al Qaeda, he executed him on
[00:47:23] the spot, right? So in a sense, he's a
[00:47:27] an ally of sorts in that case against al
[00:47:30] Qaeda and a counterbalance to Iran
[00:47:32] >> which had held our hostages for over a
[00:47:34] year in 1979. So it's like
[00:47:36] >> that was in no sense consistent with her
[00:47:39] interests. Iraq had nothing to do with
[00:47:40] 9/11
[00:47:42] at all. Despite the many, many lies. Uh
[00:47:45] I knew people who told those lies.
[00:47:47] Really, really Steve Hayes wrote a whole
[00:47:49] book about it was a lie. No one's ever
[00:47:50] apologized. But those lies all served
[00:47:54] one imperative, which is fight Israel's
[00:47:56] enemies. I was there. So I know that
[00:47:58] that's true and everyone knows that
[00:47:59] that's true and you're now required to
[00:48:01] lie about it. It was just a mistake. It
[00:48:03] was not a mistake at all. It was totally
[00:48:05] intentional.
[00:48:06] >> Yeah. And so when I give speeches to
[00:48:09] those Muslim groups and I talk about
[00:48:10] American sovereignty, that's when I get
[00:48:12] the biggest applause because who is the
[00:48:15] victim of another government meddling in
[00:48:18] in the American government the most?
[00:48:20] Muslim Americans are
[00:48:21] >> because I mean there's no equivalent. I
[00:48:25] mean for any money that the Gulf
[00:48:27] countries or anything else puts into
[00:48:29] America, it doesn't get any power at
[00:48:31] all.
[00:48:31] >> Okay. So but the Turks, this is
[00:48:33] interesting cuz you were born in Turkey.
[00:48:35] You came here at 8. your co-host on your
[00:48:37] show or someone on your show, Anna
[00:48:40] Casparian is just a wonderful person I
[00:48:42] think, but um is Armenian. So, one of
[00:48:46] the most famous feuds in history, one of
[00:48:48] the most famous genocides was the
[00:48:49] Armenian genocide right after the during
[00:48:51] the First World War. And here you are
[00:48:54] good friends and work together every
[00:48:55] day. And that to me is a huge part of
[00:48:57] the promise of America. You can leave
[00:48:59] your tribal wars in the countries of
[00:49:00] origin and come here and interact as
[00:49:03] equals under the American flag as
[00:49:05] citizens. Like that is truly the vision
[00:49:07] I think everyone. You know, we imported
[00:49:10] tons of Irish in the 1840s into an Anglo
[00:49:12] country. They didn't need each other.
[00:49:14] Those countries had been hated each
[00:49:15] other for centuries, but they all came
[00:49:17] here and pretty much got along sort of
[00:49:20] watching the Israelis import, which they
[00:49:24] are doing and their many proxies in the
[00:49:26] US importing their ancient tribal
[00:49:29] conflicts into my country telling me
[00:49:32] that as an Anglo multi-entury American,
[00:49:35] my family, that I have to hate Muslims
[00:49:37] or something. It's like first of all,
[00:49:38] I'll decide who I hate, not you. It's
[00:49:40] not up to you who I hate. You're not in
[00:49:41] charge of me. And second, like that's
[00:49:44] your battle. Why don't you keep it in
[00:49:46] the Levant? Like I don't want anything
[00:49:48] to do with that, right? Yeah. But now it
[00:49:50] completely dominates you. I hate
[00:49:52] Muslims. It's like first of all, I
[00:49:53] believe in Jesus. I'm not a Muslim, but
[00:49:55] I like a lot of Muslims. And I'm never
[00:49:57] going to say I don't.
[00:49:58] >> And isn't that funny that they're like,
[00:50:00] if you don't agree to everything the
[00:50:02] Israeli government does, then you hate
[00:50:03] Jews. But if you don't
[00:50:05] >> I don't hate Jews and I don't hate
[00:50:06] Muslims and I don't want any part of
[00:50:08] their fight. I MEAN, WHY WOULD I?
[00:50:10] >> BUT WAIT, TUCKER. Then they go on to the
[00:50:12] second part of the sentence. So like if
[00:50:14] you disagree with Israel, you're a big
[00:50:15] begg. Then they say you have to hate
[00:50:17] Muslims. Well, wait a minute. I thought
[00:50:18] you were against bigotry.
[00:50:21] So you're not against bigotry.
[00:50:22] >> So how is hate all Muslims any different
[00:50:25] from hate all Jews? Well, it's not.
[00:50:27] >> It's not.
[00:50:27] >> It's not right. It's the same. And but
[00:50:30] these, you know, you have people who
[00:50:31] don't believe in universal principles.
[00:50:32] And that's kind of the core problem.
[00:50:34] It's like only certain types of hate are
[00:50:36] bad. Only certain kinds of bigotry bad.
[00:50:38] No, no, no. If bigotry is bad, it's
[00:50:40] always bad because all people are
[00:50:41] created by God and they're inherently
[00:50:43] equal. They may have different
[00:50:44] abilities. They do have different
[00:50:46] abilities, but they have equal value.
[00:50:48] And if you don't believe that, which
[00:50:50] Barry Weiss doesn't, then you can with a
[00:50:52] straight face say anti-semitism is
[00:50:54] wrong. I agree with you, Barry Weiss.
[00:50:56] Hating Muslims is right. No.
[00:50:59] >> I mean,
[00:50:59] >> I don't agree with you. I'm sorry.
[00:51:01] >> Yeah. And
[00:51:01] >> by the way, don't bring that into my
[00:51:03] country. Go away.
[00:51:04] >> Yes. Laura Loomer, Mark Levvin say all
[00:51:07] the time, "You should hate Muslims.
[00:51:10] Muslims are the problem." Well, then
[00:51:12] you've lost your moral high ground.
[00:51:14] >> Well, they don't believe in a universal
[00:51:15] principle. It's just It's just identity
[00:51:17] politics. It's no better than any other
[00:51:19] form of identity politics, and it's all
[00:51:20] disgusting and immoral.
[00:51:22] >> Exactly. So, whereas to your point, Anna
[00:51:25] and I do a show together, and that's an
[00:51:27] Armenian and a Turk doing a show
[00:51:28] together,
[00:51:29] >> literally. in a show called The Young
[00:51:30] Turks. I was like, well, I first thought
[00:51:32] it was this years ago. I was like, holy
[00:51:34] smokes.
[00:51:35] >> People may not know what the Young Turks
[00:51:36] were, but whatever.
[00:51:38] >> Isn't that beautiful? Isn't that a
[00:51:40] beautiful thing about
[00:51:41] >> the promise of America? Leave your
[00:51:42] tribal your ancient tribal conflicts and
[00:51:44] your countries of origin and come here
[00:51:46] and exist as equal citizens under the
[00:51:48] law. That is the that is to me that's
[00:51:50] the most American sentiment I can
[00:51:51] imagine.
[00:51:52] >> Yeah. And so, and by the way, when you
[00:51:53] do that, that doesn't mean that you
[00:51:55] leave your entire culture behind. Don't
[00:51:57] bring your food. Don't bring your
[00:51:58] language. Don't bring this. Don't bring
[00:52:00] that. I agree. No, no. We've had all the
[00:52:03] Italians brought pizza. The Jews brought
[00:52:05] bagel and locks and and pastrami. And
[00:52:08] the Chinese brought It's great and
[00:52:09] wonderful. Love it. Love it. Love it.
[00:52:11] But you have to agree that America is
[00:52:15] your top identity.
[00:52:16] >> Of course.
[00:52:17] >> Or else you're going to have hoous and
[00:52:19] tootsies murdering each other in your
[00:52:20] cities.
[00:52:21] >> Yeah. Like, no. How about no?
[00:52:23] >> You have to be an American. It means
[00:52:25] something to be an American. It means
[00:52:28] you put ancient tribal hatred aside. I
[00:52:31] mean, so when you look at the young
[00:52:32] Turks, our audiences, Armenians, Greeks,
[00:52:34] Jews, Muslims, Christians, everyone,
[00:52:36] everyone. And in the old world, that
[00:52:39] wouldn't have happened. That's why we
[00:52:40] came here cuz we don't want the old
[00:52:42] world. We want this world, this world of
[00:52:44] freedom and equality.
[00:52:45] >> Amen. Amen. I just could not agree with
[00:52:48] what you said more strongly. I just
[00:52:49] really feel it.
[00:52:50] >> Yeah. So, back to the memorandum of
[00:52:53] understanding why.
[00:52:54] >> Sorry, I'm a degressor.
[00:52:55] >> No, Jenk. I'm doing the same thing. So
[00:52:58] they say 20-year the new one we want is
[00:53:01] a 20-year memorandum of us. So we have
[00:53:04] to give you a 20-year contract and they
[00:53:06] say the 4 billion that we're giving them
[00:53:07] currently per year on top of everything
[00:53:09] else is not enough. And they started
[00:53:11] talking about 5 billion. So wait a
[00:53:13] minute now 5 billion 20 years we're
[00:53:15] talking about another hundred billion
[00:53:17] we're going to borrow from China to give
[00:53:20] to Israel and then pay interest the rest
[00:53:22] of our lives. And this is exclusive of
[00:53:24] this does not include military
[00:53:26] obligations. So if there's another war,
[00:53:28] of course we'll backs stop it with
[00:53:29] missile defense or whatever carriers in
[00:53:31] the region, right? So it doesn't even
[00:53:33] include that.
[00:53:34] >> Yeah. So uh but because they got so much
[00:53:37] push back, this is the first time I've
[00:53:39] ever seen the Israelis give an inch. All
[00:53:42] of a sudden, Netanyahu comes out and
[00:53:43] goes, "Maybe 10 years. Maybe we taper it
[00:53:46] off." Right. It's total
[00:53:48] >> Maybe go away and never come back.
[00:53:50] >> Yeah. How about that? So look, I started
[00:53:53] a a site, not another dollar.com. Okay?
[00:53:57] Not another dollar.com.
[00:53:58] >> Is that a hate site?
[00:54:00] >> They will call it that. So what we're
[00:54:02] saying is, look, two two things. One is
[00:54:05] uh number one, uh if you if a Congress
[00:54:07] person takes money from Israel, vote
[00:54:09] against them. Okay? Now, why? Because we
[00:54:13] want our representatives to be our
[00:54:15] representatives. It's not an outrageous
[00:54:17] ask. It's a bare minimum ask, right? uh
[00:54:20] and happy to apply to any country. Okay.
[00:54:22] But right now, Israel is the one giving
[00:54:24] to 94% of Congress. So there has to be
[00:54:27] some consequences. I agree.
[00:54:29] >> So since we're peaceful and nonviolent
[00:54:31] and by the way again violence destroys
[00:54:33] any movement. That is why a lot of times
[00:54:36] counterinsurgencies start the violence
[00:54:39] of course
[00:54:39] >> right so that they could destroy. So if
[00:54:41] anyone
[00:54:42] >> There's nothing more real than false
[00:54:43] flags.
[00:54:44] >> Yes.
[00:54:44] >> That's just a fact. It's been a feature
[00:54:46] of warfare, hot and cold, from the
[00:54:48] beginning of history.
[00:54:49] >> So, do if anyone proposes violence,
[00:54:52] they're on the other side. Okay? Reject
[00:54:54] them, turn them in, turn them into the
[00:54:55] authorities. Okay? Zero violence so they
[00:54:58] cannot destroy the movement. Okay? And
[00:55:00] because it's the right thing to do and
[00:55:01] it's it's the moral position, right? So,
[00:55:04] what we're saying is I also have
[00:55:06] operation consequences.com. It goes to
[00:55:08] the same thing. So, what are the
[00:55:09] consequences? Not violent, not hatred,
[00:55:12] not anything. Just if you vote with
[00:55:14] Israel to give them another dollar,
[00:55:16] we're going to vote against you. And you
[00:55:18] know what? You don't have to cross party
[00:55:20] lines. That's what primaries are for.
[00:55:23] >> Yeah.
[00:55:23] >> So if you're a Republican, you never
[00:55:24] have to vote for a Democrat. If you're a
[00:55:25] Democrat, you never have to vote for a
[00:55:27] Republican. Go into into the primaries
[00:55:28] and we're going to make two lists. One
[00:55:30] is, are you taking money from Israel?
[00:55:33] Okay. And that list already exists. You
[00:55:34] know, you have Apac Tracker, etc. We'll
[00:55:36] put up on the site so you can see, oh,
[00:55:38] these guys are taking money and these
[00:55:39] guys aren't. So when you see Tom Massie
[00:55:41] and he takes no money from APAC or any
[00:55:44] of the Israeli lobbies, you might agree
[00:55:46] or disagree with Tom Massie, but at
[00:55:48] least I know he's honest and he
[00:55:50] represents us and not a different
[00:55:52] government. Okay. And the second thing
[00:55:54] we're saying is did you give money to
[00:55:56] Israel or did you take money from Israel
[00:55:58] and did you give money to Israel? So if
[00:56:01] forget the past because they all gave
[00:56:03] money in the past. Okay, we're fair
[00:56:05] clean slate. But going forward, you vote
[00:56:08] one more time for another dollar to
[00:56:09] Israel and you're never going to get our
[00:56:12] vote ever. It's a solemn pledge. Okay?
[00:56:15] Now, you could sign the pledges on not
[00:56:17] another dollar.com or
[00:56:18] operationconsequence.com,
[00:56:20] but it doesn't matter. Create your own
[00:56:21] website. Create your own pledge. Create
[00:56:23] your own movement or join the movement.
[00:56:25] Say, "Hey, you know what? I don't want
[00:56:26] to go to those sites. I want to do it on
[00:56:27] my show." Great. I love it. Right? You I
[00:56:30] want to do it in a right-wing way.
[00:56:31] Great. I love it. Leftwing way. Great. I
[00:56:33] love it. Okay? But you've got to get the
[00:56:35] representatives some consequences.
[00:56:38] >> It sounds like democracy.
[00:56:39] >> Exactly. That's all it is. That's all it
[00:56:42] is.
[00:56:42] >> So just inject the views of the people
[00:56:44] who own the government into the
[00:56:46] conversation about what the government
[00:56:47] should do.
[00:56:47] >> Yeah. So if you for example radical if
[00:56:50] you do that poll um do does America owe
[00:56:54] Israel any more money? My guess is an
[00:56:57] overwhelming majority are going to say
[00:56:58] no.
[00:56:59] >> How would you get that poll? How would
[00:57:01] you get I mean do you think you could
[00:57:03] get CNN to take that poll?
[00:57:05] >> Well, if they say that no, we're not
[00:57:07] going to ask Americans that then it they
[00:57:09] obviously have an agenda. They claim to
[00:57:11] be objective, right?
[00:57:12] >> CNN claims to objective.
[00:57:14] >> They still pretend.
[00:57:15] >> I worked there for many years. Not
[00:57:16] objective,
[00:57:17] >> right? New York Times very much pretends
[00:57:19] to be objective. Uh all right, then ask
[00:57:21] the question. Do do does America owe
[00:57:25] Israel any more money? Okay. Now, if you
[00:57:27] say maybe we're wrong, Tucker, right?
[00:57:30] Maybe the Americans come in and go, 80%
[00:57:32] of Americans say, "Yes, we owe Israel
[00:57:34] more money." Then we'll stand corrected
[00:57:36] and we'll go, "Oh, our bad. The
[00:57:38] Americans can't wait to give more money
[00:57:39] to Israel, no matter what the
[00:57:41] circumstances are." But wait, if it
[00:57:43] turns out 68%, 82%, some significant
[00:57:47] majority of Americans say, "No, we don't
[00:57:49] owe them any more money."
[00:57:51] Now, does the voice of the American
[00:57:53] people matter or does it not matter? And
[00:57:57] you know what the answer is and that's
[00:57:59] why they won't do the poll. And that's
[00:58:00] why we'll do it for them. That's okay.
[00:58:02] Right?
[00:58:04] Look, right now 92% of Democrats say
[00:58:07] that what Israel did in Gaza was wrong.
[00:58:09] And that was before the election. And
[00:58:12] both Joe Biden and Kla Harris said, "I
[00:58:14] don't care about my voters. I don't care
[00:58:16] about 92%
[00:58:18] of my voters." They couldn't have been
[00:58:20] any clearer. I'm going to serve Israel
[00:58:23] instead. Now, number one donor lifetime
[00:58:26] to Joe Biden is Apac.
[00:58:29] >> Apac gave true yes over $1 million
[00:58:32] throughout his career. Uh the Israeli
[00:58:34] lobby totally financed now
[00:58:36] >> 11 million to just to Joe Biden.
[00:58:38] >> Just to Joe Biden. Okay. And that again
[00:58:40] >> I would have thought it was City Bank or
[00:58:42] the credit card companies.
[00:58:44] >> So he he was known as the senator from
[00:58:46] MBNA which is a credit card company in
[00:58:48] Delaware.
[00:58:49] >> Uh so he was literally known for
[00:58:51] corruption. Now, did you hear that in
[00:58:53] mainstream media from objective stand?
[00:58:54] >> He gave his son a house, right? I mean,
[00:58:56] it was pretty open. Yeah.
[00:58:57] >> Yeah. I mean, he Joe Biden's trademark
[00:59:01] thing in Washington was do whatever the
[00:59:03] donors tell you. That's why the one
[00:59:05] promise he kept was to the donors.
[00:59:07] Remember, he said to them, nothing will
[00:59:09] fundamentally change. Because if you're
[00:59:12] at the top, you don't want anything to
[00:59:14] change,
[00:59:15] >> right?
[00:59:15] >> Cuz then you might slip from the top.
[00:59:17] You if you're at the top, you love the
[00:59:20] status quo. So you want a politician
[00:59:22] coming and telling you nothing will
[00:59:24] fundamentally
[00:59:24] >> So here's one question that I have that
[00:59:26] I I don't have the answer to. So I
[00:59:27] understand that that's all consistent
[00:59:29] with the darker parts of human nature.
[00:59:31] I'm winning. I don't want anything to
[00:59:32] change. I get it. I don't even judge it.
[00:59:35] But the rest of the country is withering
[00:59:37] and dying and that's measurable. Um in
[00:59:39] life expectancy for example every you
[00:59:42] know there's no way to argue that this
[00:59:44] is helping normal people and they're not
[00:59:47] staying the same. They're going down by
[00:59:49] every measure. their down to their
[00:59:50] personal health. Why are the people who
[00:59:54] run the country or are ruling class like
[00:59:55] it's not enough that they profit? It
[00:59:57] does feel like they're trying to hurt
[01:00:00] the people they rule. That's the that's
[01:00:02] the I mean I I've reached that
[01:00:03] conclusion. What is that?
[01:00:05] >> So I'm most angry at our politicians and
[01:00:07] I'm going to give you an analogy about
[01:00:09] that in a second. Uh so like so Israel
[01:00:13] pharma they're going to logically try to
[01:00:16] rob us.
[01:00:16] >> Of course I get it right. the king takes
[01:00:18] most for himself, but he also like wants
[01:00:21] to make his people like not die earlier,
[01:00:23] but they do want us to die earlier. What
[01:00:25] is that? But it's um yeah, so it's
[01:00:29] largely our representatives. So I talked
[01:00:31] about Biden Kla took 5 million from
[01:00:32] Apac. Talked about that. Uh let's talk
[01:00:35] about Trump. So Trump in the first uh
[01:00:37] election in 2016 takes 100 million from
[01:00:40] Sheldon Adlesen. Okay. So does Sheldon
[01:00:42] get something in return? Of course he
[01:00:44] does. Right? So he got a great number of
[01:00:46] things. A corruption charge and uh went
[01:00:49] largely went away with a small fine. Uh
[01:00:52] the estate tax was dropped right in the
[01:00:54] nick of time before he passed away.
[01:00:55] Saved them billions of dollars. You know
[01:00:57] where the adles make most of their
[01:00:59] money?
[01:01:00] >> Gambling
[01:01:00] >> in China.
[01:01:01] >> Yep.
[01:01:02] >> Okay. So in Macau. So they're mainly a
[01:01:05] Chinese company and uh and they had to
[01:01:08] bring their money back from China to
[01:01:10] America. So they got a tax holiday. We
[01:01:12] don't get tax holidays, but they get tax
[01:01:14] holidays. And so their the repatriation
[01:01:17] tax was brought down to about 8%. So
[01:01:19] instead of paying 35%, they paid 8%.
[01:01:22] Which saved them billions of dollars. So
[01:01:24] then they take that money from China,
[01:01:25] bring it back to America, they give 100
[01:01:27] to to Trump. He runs again, they give
[01:01:29] another 100. Uh they he runs again, they
[01:01:32] this time it's Miriam Adel since
[01:01:34] Sheldon's passed away. His wife Miriam
[01:01:36] gives 137 to Trump. So now collectively
[01:01:39] they've given $337
[01:01:41] million to Donald Trump's re-election
[01:01:44] campus. So now one of the things they
[01:01:46] wanted was taxes and other interests and
[01:01:48] defeat the unions and their casinos and
[01:01:50] all the things their wish list. But the
[01:01:53] main thing they wanted was for Israel.
[01:01:54] And Trump says it all the time. He
[01:01:55] doesn't hide it at all. He says
[01:01:57] >> he said it in the Knesset.
[01:01:58] >> Yeah. He said look you guys give me
[01:02:00] money and you and Sheldon wanted me to
[01:02:02] to move our embassy from you know Tel
[01:02:05] Aviv to Jerusalem. So I moved it for
[01:02:06] him. Like you're not supposed to say
[01:02:08] that. Okay. But
[01:02:09] >> that's what I love about Trump. I I love
[01:02:11] it when he just says it.
[01:02:13] >> Yeah. So he's like and then so they
[01:02:15] wanted this and and I gave him the Golan
[01:02:16] Heights. I said go ahead take it. Right.
[01:02:18] And whatever Israel asked and she he
[01:02:20] said Sheldon came in here in my first
[01:02:22] term more than any other person. He said
[01:02:25] to be fair he gave the most. Right. So
[01:02:27] if you give that much money you get
[01:02:29] access and you get American policy. So
[01:02:32] now Miriam's up there going, "Maybe he
[01:02:34] should run for a third term and I'll
[01:02:35] give him $250 million." She said that on
[01:02:38] air next to Trump. So that is them
[01:02:40] rubbing it in our face, saying,
[01:02:43] >> "So that's the part I don't understand.
[01:02:45] Like every country has a ruling class
[01:02:47] that deres the most benefit from
[01:02:48] whatever system is they're running." But
[01:02:51] it's the pretty undisguised hatred for
[01:02:55] Americans. Like why the humiliation
[01:02:57] rituals? Why why say that in public?
[01:02:59] Why? Basically give the entire country
[01:03:02] the finger. You have no control. If you
[01:03:04] step out of line, we'll send the police
[01:03:05] to your door. Like, you don't need to
[01:03:07] behave that way.
[01:03:08] >> Yeah, this is relatively new.
[01:03:09] >> There's hatred in there. That's how you
[01:03:11] behave toward people you really want to
[01:03:13] hurt.
[01:03:14] >> Before I They were more subtle about it,
[01:03:18] right?
[01:03:18] >> Yeah. That's why I never said anything.
[01:03:19] I wasn't fully aware of it, but also
[01:03:21] it's like it's working. It's, you know,
[01:03:22] whatever. I don't want to get involved
[01:03:23] in this. But all of a sudden it's like,
[01:03:27] you know, you're not allowed to live in
[01:03:29] the country that you were born in
[01:03:30] because you disagree with a foreign
[01:03:32] country. It's like, you don't need Why
[01:03:34] are you talking to me like that? Who do
[01:03:35] you think you are? Why do why what are
[01:03:37] you doing? So, since they're starting to
[01:03:39] lose control now, back to the American
[01:03:41] people overall, uh, this was about 6
[01:03:44] months ago. The numbers are probably
[01:03:46] starker now, but 60% of Americans said
[01:03:49] uh we don't want to support what Israel
[01:03:51] is doing uh with financing anymore.
[01:03:54] >> 60%
[01:03:55] >> 60% for Gaza. Okay. They said we we are
[01:03:58] not backing what Israel is doing. And
[01:04:00] only 32% said yes. So 2 to1 very very
[01:04:03] clear the American people 2 to1. Don't
[01:04:05] give Israel any more money to kill more
[01:04:07] people in Gaza. Don't do it. And all of
[01:04:09] our politicians, Democrats and
[01:04:10] Republicans are like no we're going to
[01:04:12] give them more money. We don't care.
[01:04:14] Shut up, American people. So, why are
[01:04:16] they switching to this new harsher
[01:04:19] tactic? Because I think they're going
[01:04:21] for intimidation. They've already lost
[01:04:22] the people. They've lost the propaganda
[01:04:25] wars. So, they're just going for
[01:04:26] bullying.
[01:04:27] >> Well, they don't intimidate me. And I'm
[01:04:28] totally happy to pay any price not to go
[01:04:31] along with this. Not because I hate
[01:04:33] Jews. I certainly don't hate Jews, but
[01:04:35] because I love my country and we have
[01:04:37] the right to act in our own interest and
[01:04:39] to say what we truly believe. And I will
[01:04:42] never bow to any other system
[01:04:44] voluntarily. And I feel like a lot of
[01:04:46] Americans clearly you feel that way.
[01:04:48] >> 100%. America was not made for bowing.
[01:04:51] Okay. So, so
[01:04:53] >> lots of things that hurt my family. I'm
[01:04:54] happy to bow before God. I'm not too
[01:04:56] arrogant to bow, but I'm not going to
[01:04:58] bow to something that hurts my children.
[01:05:00] Like, I'm not going to do that.
[01:05:02] >> And did they No, they're not going to
[01:05:03] take our freedom away. So to back to
[01:05:05] your point about the humiliation rituals
[01:05:08] then why do that?
[01:05:11] >> It it gets way worse in case you don't
[01:05:12] know this for the folks at home. The
[01:05:14] Adles then lobbyed Trump to get Jonathan
[01:05:19] Pard back to Israel. Okay. So Jonathan
[01:05:22] Pard is a traitor. I mean as big a
[01:05:24] traitor as we have ever had in this
[01:05:26] country.
[01:05:26] >> And a true hater of America. Says it out
[01:05:28] loud all the time.
[01:05:29] >> Yeah. And he he goes further. He
[01:05:31] endangers Jewish people by saying if
[01:05:33] you're a Jew in America, you should work
[01:05:35] for Israel like I did and betray
[01:05:37] America. He says that. Okay. So now this
[01:05:40] is as despicable anti-American character
[01:05:42] as you will find on planet Earth. So not
[01:05:45] only did they lobby to get him back to
[01:05:46] Israel, first of all, he should never
[01:05:48] been let out of jail ever. Ever.
[01:05:50] >> What did the Israelis do with the
[01:05:52] national with the Navy secrets that he
[01:05:53] gave them? Do you know? I
[01:05:56] >> they gave them to the Soviet Union
[01:05:59] >> in ex they gave them to the Soviet Union
[01:06:00] in exchange for refusnix. I remember
[01:06:02] this. I know people were involved in it.
[01:06:04] And yeah, our our top ally gave our
[01:06:09] national security secrets. This is in
[01:06:10] the middle of the cold war. It's not a
[01:06:12] joke. These countries have nuclear
[01:06:13] weapons pointed at each other. And
[01:06:15] Israel gave those secrets to the
[01:06:18] Soviets.
[01:06:20] So that's just a fact. Oh, you're lying.
[01:06:22] I'm not lying.
[01:06:24] >> Yeah. And in this case, yeah, in this
[01:06:27] case, uh, not only, so they've been
[01:06:30] lobbying Democrats and Republicans to
[01:06:32] get Jonathan Pard out of jail because he
[01:06:33] delivered for Israel. And so they got
[01:06:36] Obama to pardon him and not pardon him,
[01:06:39] but like say, "Okay, he can get out of
[01:06:40] jail." Then they got Trump to say he can
[01:06:42] leave the country. Okay, so this is all
[01:06:44] already disastrous. But just to rub it
[01:06:46] in a little bit more, he was flown back
[01:06:49] to Israel on a private jet owned by
[01:06:53] Sheldon Adlesen. That's the Aden saying,
[01:06:57] "F you. We work for Israel, not for
[01:07:00] America. We're going to take the worst
[01:07:02] traitor you've ever had and celebrate
[01:07:04] him. We're going to give him a hero's
[01:07:07] welcome." I don't understand that. That
[01:07:10] is not in my personal range of like
[01:07:12] emotions. That's like, "You won. Got it.
[01:07:15] Okay, great. You know, you're getting
[01:07:16] what you want. Okay. But that's like if
[01:07:18] you're playing tennis with someone and
[01:07:19] you crush them in tennis rather than
[01:07:21] going up and shaking hands, you know,
[01:07:22] good good game. That's what I was forced
[01:07:24] to do as a child. You leap across that
[01:07:26] and like beat him to death with a
[01:07:28] racket. I I don't like what is that
[01:07:30] impulse. I think that's the scariest
[01:07:32] thing I've ever seen.
[01:07:33] >> They're going for full intimidation,
[01:07:36] right?
[01:07:36] >> But why?
[01:07:38] >> Because they they lost the American
[01:07:40] people. We're were gone. So look, I
[01:07:42] mean, look, Tucker, you're arguably the
[01:07:44] the biggest show in in the right wing,
[01:07:47] right? And you certainly were on Fox and
[01:07:49] and you have the numbers to back it up
[01:07:51] now, right? We're arguably the biggest
[01:07:53] show on the left. This is the, you know,
[01:07:56] you could argue that it's the heads of
[01:07:57] the families getting together on behalf
[01:07:59] of the American people saying the right
[01:08:01] and the left. And then, by the way, we
[01:08:03] can bring in any independence. You can
[01:08:04] bring in Tim Dylan, anyone else, and
[01:08:06] they will say the same thing. Enough.
[01:08:08] Enough. We have no hatred in our hearts.
[01:08:11] Okay, but but enough.
[01:08:13] >> So, not another dollar and we're done
[01:08:15] with you guys. And hey, good luck. Good
[01:08:17] luck with Iran, right? But I don't have
[01:08:18] to spend a trillion dollars fighting
[01:08:20] your war for you in Iran. I don't.
[01:08:22] >> And what if look and you know what
[01:08:24] they're doing, guys? But
[01:08:25] >> pull back. Like, this is so unhealthy,
[01:08:27] this relationship.
[01:08:28] >> Pull back. We both regain our
[01:08:30] sovereignty. Israel doesn't have
[01:08:32] sovereignty exactly either. I mean, I I
[01:08:33] know you could debate what sovereignty
[01:08:34] means, but they're totally dependent on
[01:08:36] the United States. That's not good.
[01:08:37] How's that good for Israel? And so like
[01:08:39] let's just become normal countries again
[01:08:41] and then be friends. That seems like a
[01:08:43] good outcome to me.
[01:08:45] >> Yeah. By the way, it's a terrific
[01:08:46] outcome for Israel, right? So now when
[01:08:48] you total it all together, probably
[01:08:49] around 350 billion that they've taken
[01:08:51] from us and they've we and 8 trillion in
[01:08:54] wars we did for them. Take the win and
[01:08:56] go like it's time to take the winnings
[01:08:58] off the table. Right. So if you say no,
[01:09:01] I want another 300 billion. I want
[01:09:03] another hundred billion. I want you to
[01:09:04] pay for another war and I'm going to
[01:09:06] take more of my
[01:09:07] >> and you can't have the first amendment
[01:09:08] anymore because you're not allowed to
[01:09:09] criticize me.
[01:09:10] >> Yeah.
[01:09:11] >> Okay. That that's when I say I'm not
[01:09:14] participating in this. Totally happy to
[01:09:15] go to jail for it. I don't care. I'm
[01:09:17] never going to participate in any effort
[01:09:20] by a foreign power or own government to
[01:09:22] limit my birthright.
[01:09:24] >> So Tucker, let's talk about that because
[01:09:26] there's so many things that Israel does
[01:09:27] that I'm not sure people are aware of.
[01:09:29] And why are they not aware of it?
[01:09:30] because establishment media not only
[01:09:33] doesn't report on it but actively covers
[01:09:34] it up, right? And and if you dare report
[01:09:37] on it, they'll call you names and try to
[01:09:38] ruin your career. Okay. So, what have
[01:09:40] they done? Uh first of all, the first
[01:09:42] amendment is sacrosanct. So, no, there
[01:09:44] is no exception to the first amendment
[01:09:46] uh for Israel. And by the way, if you
[01:09:49] say there should be, you're trying to
[01:09:50] destroy our constitution. Okay? So, no,
[01:09:53] we're not going to let you destroy our
[01:09:54] constitution. So, no, nobody should be
[01:09:56] arrested on a college campus for writing
[01:09:58] an op-ed against Israel. An editorial
[01:10:03] saying that they should be sanctioned.
[01:10:04] That's all. That's what that Turkish PhD
[01:10:07] student wrote. And they're like, "That's
[01:10:08] it. Arrest her." What do you mean arrest
[01:10:10] her for her speech? What does that mean?
[01:10:13] And now, as I said, they're targeting
[01:10:15] American workers, trying to get them
[01:10:16] fired. the lady who put both of us on a
[01:10:19] list for oh Angie Semite of the year or
[01:10:21] whatever. She went and gave a speech
[01:10:23] about and by the way everyone could look
[01:10:24] up every fact I'm saying they can go
[01:10:26] find the videos for themselves and they
[01:10:28] should and they should spread it all
[01:10:29] over the internet. And she's on there
[01:10:31] going we're going to find any American
[01:10:33] that opposes us and we're going to try
[01:10:36] to ruin their lives. She said it. She's
[01:10:38] like we're going to make sure they never
[01:10:39] get a job. They never get a wife, a
[01:10:42] husband. We're going to go after their
[01:10:44] families. I'm like, you're saying it out
[01:10:47] loud. You're saying it out loud, right?
[01:10:49] >> We don't believe in blood guilt in this
[01:10:51] country, period. I mean, that's why your
[01:10:54] family was able to move from Turkey
[01:10:56] >> and you wound up close friends with an
[01:10:58] Armenian because you're not responsible
[01:11:00] for what your ancestors did. That's a
[01:11:02] that is a core American value.
[01:11:04] >> Exactly. So then there's 31 states, I
[01:11:07] believe, uh again, look it up. Maybe
[01:11:08] it's 30, maybe it's 29. God bless. but
[01:11:10] about that area that have passed laws
[01:11:13] saying you're not allowed to boycott or
[01:11:15] devest or sanction Israel. And if you're
[01:11:18] an American company that does that,
[01:11:20] we're going to take away your contracts
[01:11:22] from the state governments. You will be
[01:11:24] punished severely financially, your
[01:11:27] family, your business, etc. If you dare
[01:11:29] to disagree with Israel, what the
[01:11:32] kind of law is that? And by the way,
[01:11:34] that's a lot of Democratic governors and
[01:11:35] a lot of Republican governors. If your
[01:11:38] governor is saying we you must serve
[01:11:41] Israel and if you dare to defy Israel,
[01:11:43] I'm going to take away your living and
[01:11:46] I'm going to take away American
[01:11:47] government contracts from you. You
[01:11:49] should be livid about that.
[01:11:51] >> Is there any law in the United States
[01:11:52] that you've heard of that says if you
[01:11:54] criticize the US government, our
[01:11:56] Constitution, desecrator flag? Like I
[01:11:58] don't I don't think there's any penalty
[01:12:00] ever for attacking the United States.
[01:12:01] And I'm not saying there should be, of
[01:12:02] course, but then how can there be
[01:12:05] penalties for disagreeing with a foreign
[01:12:07] country? You can say whatever you want
[01:12:09] about America, whatever you want, and
[01:12:11] people do, and I'm glad you can. But the
[01:12:13] second you're critical of Benjamin
[01:12:15] Netanyahu,
[01:12:17] you get punished by the US government.
[01:12:20] >> That's insane.
[01:12:22] >> But that's the state of play. I don't
[01:12:23] think that's an exaggeration, is it?
[01:12:24] >> Yeah. No, it's not. Imag again mad libit
[01:12:27] put in any other country
[01:12:28] >> but even your own country it's totally
[01:12:30] fine
[01:12:31] >> yeah you can criticize America all the
[01:12:32] time you can call for sanctions of
[01:12:35] America you can call for boycotting
[01:12:36] America you can call for you you you
[01:12:38] want to go after the Portuguese okay
[01:12:41] imagine if they said you're allowed to
[01:12:43] criticize every country on earth
[01:12:44] including your own except Portugal
[01:12:48] why why except Portugal right but if you
[01:12:51] say why except Israel anti-semite
[01:12:54] >> yeah and why do They say anti-semite.
[01:12:56] It's to eliminate every voice of
[01:12:59] opposition to Israel in American
[01:13:01] conversation.
[01:13:02] >> Are you ready for the consequences of
[01:13:04] this though?
[01:13:05] >> I mean, you're a business owner. You're
[01:13:06] a father.
[01:13:07] >> Yeah.
[01:13:08] >> Um I'm not being melodramatic. I never
[01:13:10] talk about this stuff. I'm not going to
[01:13:12] now. But I'm just, you know, let's be
[01:13:14] real.
[01:13:15] >> Like the reason people don't say obvious
[01:13:17] non-hateful things like you shouldn't be
[01:13:19] prevented from criticizing a foreign
[01:13:21] country in your own country. The reason
[01:13:23] they don't even say that is because they
[01:13:25] know what the consequence the real
[01:13:26] consequence not a joke consequences.
[01:13:28] These are not people who are kidding.
[01:13:30] >> Yeah.
[01:13:30] >> Are you are you comfortable with that?
[01:13:33] Like why' you decide to do this? You
[01:13:34] don't need to do this.
[01:13:35] >> Yeah. So we've already dealt with a lot
[01:13:37] of consequences, right? And so first of
[01:13:41] all uh you know
[01:13:44] they tell folks don't do business with
[01:13:47] the Young Turks, you know, or their
[01:13:49] >> You know that?
[01:13:50] >> Yeah. Oh, I definitely know that. I know
[01:13:51] that for a fact.
[01:13:52] >> Yeah.
[01:13:52] >> Um and our network is called TYT. You
[01:13:55] know, we got a 24-hour channel and all
[01:13:57] these places.
[01:13:58] >> Um everywhere but cable. And um and they
[01:14:01] don't do don't do sales, don't do
[01:14:04] investments, don't do anything because
[01:14:06] they're anti-semites. Okay. So, uh you
[01:14:10] know, take away their money. Um and make
[01:14:13] sure that they don't survive. Uh and
[01:14:15] then they do propaganda uh to the
[01:14:17] audience. that's less effective. But uh
[01:14:19] but for a while it was effective. You
[01:14:21] know, oh they're hateful people. They
[01:14:23] say they're on the left, but they they
[01:14:25] you know, they're bigots and they're
[01:14:27] this and they're that. And then um every
[01:14:30] kind of an attack against me. Uh but the
[01:14:33] establishment media always hated me.
[01:14:35] >> Why?
[01:14:36] >> Uh because I'm populist left and they
[01:14:38] despise populism. So
[01:14:40] >> they certainly do. Yeah.
[01:14:41] >> Why do they despise populism, do you
[01:14:43] think?
[01:14:43] >> Because it's against the status quo.
[01:14:45] It's for change. Yeah. And if you're at
[01:14:47] the top, you don't want anything to
[01:14:49] change if they don't want to rock the
[01:14:51] boat because it's their boat.
[01:14:52] >> That's why they murdered Huie Long.
[01:14:54] >> Populism has a pretty uh pretty long and
[01:14:58] very violent history in the United
[01:14:59] States reaction to it. You just get
[01:15:01] killed.
[01:15:02] >> So, do we get death threats all the
[01:15:04] time? Right. Um do we get threats of
[01:15:07] different sorts all the time? And if you
[01:15:10] like if let's say that the Iranian
[01:15:12] government was threatening to kill me or
[01:15:14] their supporters were threatening to
[01:15:16] kill me or my family and they were doing
[01:15:18] all these attacks against our business.
[01:15:21] People would be I think outraged, right?
[01:15:22] And Jake and Jake Tapper would love to
[01:15:25] talk about the Iranians interfering with
[01:15:27] an American company and threatening
[01:15:29] Americans. We should do something about
[01:15:31] Iran, right? Uh Israel does it. Shut up,
[01:15:33] you anti-semite.
[01:15:35] >> Oh, Jake Tapper hasn't defended you.
[01:15:39] Jake Tappers was going to write a book
[01:15:40] one day. It turns out we were the
[01:15:42] problem. No one could have seen it
[01:15:44] coming. No, we see it now. Jake, you
[01:15:46] you're the problem. Okay. And so this
[01:15:49] whole defense of Israel, over-the-top
[01:15:51] defense of Israel is absurd. It's
[01:15:53] insane. While pretending to be objective
[01:15:56] and and they actively covering up the
[01:15:58] news here, let's do more.
[01:15:59] >> But why get involved?
[01:16:01] >> Because I can't help it. Uh I I'm I
[01:16:04] can't help but be free. And that's why I
[01:16:07] love this country. That's why this is
[01:16:09] kind of made for me. Uh uniquely uh
[01:16:12] wonderful country for me and my
[01:16:14] personality. And I can't bow. I just
[01:16:16] can't do it.
[01:16:17] >> I was on an airplane uh probably 20 25
[01:16:19] years ago with James Carville, who was
[01:16:22] my co-host at CNN. And you know, a great
[01:16:25] guy in some ways, a great guy, but very
[01:16:27] smart. And I said something about
[01:16:29] Israel, some humiliation. They were
[01:16:31] shooting into the Church of the
[01:16:32] Nativity, murdering a bell ringer. I was
[01:16:34] like, "Oh, I don't want to fight about
[01:16:36] Israel. I never have wanted to." But I
[01:16:37] said, "That is just too much." I mean,
[01:16:39] whatever it was at the moment. And he
[01:16:42] goes, "I'll never forget this." He goes,
[01:16:43] "You watch your kids get into college?"
[01:16:46] I was like, "Uh, I guess." I had little
[01:16:49] kids, a lot of them. And he goes, "Then
[01:16:51] you'll shut up." I was like, "You think
[01:16:54] that would affect my kids ability to get
[01:16:56] into college? I'd never even thought of
[01:16:57] that before."
[01:16:59] Of course, then you'll shut up. Quote,
[01:17:01] that's a verbatim quote. you want your
[01:17:04] kids to get into college and you'll shut
[01:17:05] up. And and to my shame, I guess I I did
[01:17:07] kind of shut up for like 20 years. It's
[01:17:09] like I don't want to deal with this at
[01:17:10] all. I've got all kinds of things I'm
[01:17:12] interested in. I'm not that interested
[01:17:13] in Israel. Love Jerusalem, but like I
[01:17:15] don't want to get involved. So the I'm
[01:17:17] trying to be melodramatic, but that's
[01:17:19] real. And did you ever have a moment
[01:17:22] you're like,
[01:17:24] you know, I maybe I maybe I don't maybe
[01:17:26] I just ignore let let it let it slide.
[01:17:28] >> Yeah. No. Uh,
[01:17:32] and so, uh, Tucker, it happened to me.
[01:17:34] So, um, there's a school, a private
[01:17:36] school in in LA. It actually happened to
[01:17:38] Anna, too, in two different ways. So,
[01:17:41] um, uh, and we applied for my son to get
[01:17:45] into that private school. And my one of
[01:17:47] my nephews happens to work as a
[01:17:49] volunteer in that school. and someone in
[01:17:52] admission told him uh his uh that my
[01:17:56] son's application was going to be hurt
[01:17:58] because of uh his dad's positions on
[01:18:01] Israel.
[01:18:02] >> Actually, they actually said that out
[01:18:04] loud.
[01:18:05] >> It's why the Israelis have been happy to
[01:18:06] murder tens of thousands of children in
[01:18:08] Gaza because they believe in bloodg
[01:18:09] guilt. That's just that's just a that's
[01:18:11] the truth. They say it out loud. I'm
[01:18:12] alch. We believe in blood guilt. like
[01:18:14] the children are responsible for the
[01:18:15] sins of their parents, so we're going to
[01:18:17] kill them or not let them into the
[01:18:18] school or and we face this a lot in my
[01:18:20] family. So, yeah.
[01:18:21] >> Yeah. So, that's a ramification for us
[01:18:24] personally. And as you know, Anna's
[01:18:26] husband uh is a coach at another private
[01:18:29] school and uh they try to get him fired
[01:18:32] and they demanded like some sort of
[01:18:34] mauist apology where he denounces his
[01:18:37] own wife and calls her an anti-semite
[01:18:39] publicly and he's like, "No, I'm not
[01:18:40] going to do it." His own wife. Yeah.
[01:18:42] They're like, "You must denounce your
[01:18:44] own wife. Otherwise, we don't feel
[01:18:46] safe." Okay. What is that? What is that?
[01:18:49] And so,
[01:18:50] >> we don't feel safe. You're you're
[01:18:51] threatening to wreck my family, but
[01:18:53] you're the one who doesn't feel safe
[01:18:54] >> because it's always projection. They're
[01:18:56] always the victims. So, like, why do I
[01:18:58] say Jake Tapper? Like, for the Jake is
[01:19:00] just representative of the mainstream
[01:19:02] media overall. Israel keeps taking more
[01:19:04] and more land. You could see it on a
[01:19:06] map. They just took 53% of Gaza. And
[01:19:09] Jake and the rest go self-defense. No,
[01:19:12] but wait a minute, brother. I can see
[01:19:14] the map. Israel is growing. They say
[01:19:16] they want greater Israel. They're doing
[01:19:19] greater Israel. They're the ones that
[01:19:21] killed the Palestinians and then took
[01:19:22] their land. And Jake goes, "No, no,
[01:19:25] don't believe your lying eyes. Don't
[01:19:27] believe your lying ears. Israel is the
[01:19:30] victim. They're always the victim.
[01:19:31] They're going to fire you, but they're
[01:19:33] work for like why would you? That's
[01:19:35] absurd. Why would you say something like
[01:19:36] that? Who like where what is your
[01:19:39] mission?"
[01:19:40] >> Okay. And I ch I challenge Jake. I
[01:19:42] challenge all of cable news anchors.
[01:19:45] So why don't you talk about, for
[01:19:46] example, one of hundreds of things that
[01:19:48] we've mentioned here, but another one is
[01:19:51] nine Americans killed in Israel over the
[01:19:53] last 3 years. Nine Americans killed not
[01:19:56] accidentally, but by Israeli settlers or
[01:19:58] the IDF murder.
[01:20:00] >> Actually, actually, you know how much
[01:20:02] >> I didn't know that. Yeah. So sorry.
[01:20:04] >> Do you know how many consequences
[01:20:05] there's been?
[01:20:07] >> Zero. Our government does not ask for
[01:20:10] them to be arrested. What do you mean?
[01:20:12] What an American citizen is killed.
[01:20:14] >> What about Mike Huckabe? He's the
[01:20:15] American ambassador
[01:20:17] >> who just met with Jonathan Pard, the
[01:20:19] traitor in the US embassy without
[01:20:21] telling the CIA or Donald Trump. Mike
[01:20:24] Huckabe is not our ambassador. He's
[01:20:25] their ambassador.
[01:20:26] >> I know.
[01:20:27] >> Okay.
[01:20:27] >> It's sad to see a man so degraded.
[01:20:30] >> Yeah. So, where's our justice for the
[01:20:31] nine Americans killed? Are we gonna even
[01:20:34] ask for justice? or is Israel literally
[01:20:38] above the law? They can kill Americans
[01:20:43] and totally get away with it. Our
[01:20:44] government won't even ask for red
[01:20:46] address, right?
[01:20:46] >> Well, I think we know that's true
[01:20:48] already.
[01:20:48] >> But that's a fact. It's not disputable.
[01:20:51] And then you got Tom Alexanderich. So,
[01:20:53] he's the guy who was an Israeli cyber
[01:20:55] security official, goes to Vegas and
[01:20:58] looks to rape a American girl, right? So
[01:21:01] he's like, "Oh, there's a great
[01:21:03] opportunity for basically pedophile
[01:21:05] tourism. I'll go to America." And I know
[01:21:08] as an Israeli I won't I won't be held
[01:21:10] accountable. So he gets caught in a
[01:21:12] sting operation. Got him. Okay, good.
[01:21:14] Gets caught with eight other Americans
[01:21:16] who were also involved in that
[01:21:17] operation. The eight Americans are in
[01:21:20] jail right now in Nevada. Alexander back
[01:21:23] to Israel. Free ride.
[01:21:25] How? But wait, you can't say that the
[01:21:27] Americans who did something terrible
[01:21:30] should be in prison. Great. Wonderful.
[01:21:31] Totally agree. But the Israeli is
[01:21:33] allowed to do it and he can rape any
[01:21:36] American girl he wants here and he gets
[01:21:37] a free ride back to Israel. No. No. So
[01:21:40] right now he's technically under arrest,
[01:21:43] but our government isn't doing anything
[01:21:44] to try to get him back. No. We want him
[01:21:47] extradited.
[01:21:47] >> But what about Mike Huckabe? Is he going
[01:21:49] to Is he brokering an extradition? Cuz
[01:21:51] he tried to rape an American girl. You
[01:21:53] say
[01:21:55] >> that's a fact. Uh no. Mike Huckabe is
[01:21:57] not doing anything. So the Americans
[01:22:00] killed, no consequences. Americans
[01:22:03] >> Did Mike Huckabe complain about the
[01:22:04] nine? You said nine Americans have been
[01:22:06] killed.
[01:22:07] >> Yes.
[01:22:07] >> Did Huckabe say anything about it?
[01:22:09] >> Not to my knowledge. If he said
[01:22:10] anything, it's been incredibly quiet.
[01:22:13] Okay. And hey, Mike Huckabe, if you want
[01:22:15] to prove me wrong, get out there and
[01:22:16] fight for it. So, god damn it. They
[01:22:18] killed nine Americans and I'll fight
[01:22:19] like hell. Forget tomorrow. Forget
[01:22:21] yesterday. Don't focus on tomorrow. Go
[01:22:23] get him. Ambassador Huckabe. Let's see
[01:22:25] what you got. demand that they extradite
[01:22:28] Alexanderich back to Nevada where he
[01:22:30] faces consequences like the other people
[01:22:32] who were caught. Where are you? Where
[01:22:34] are you? I mean, this happens over and
[01:22:36] over again through the since Israel has
[01:22:39] been formed. Robert Maxwell stole our
[01:22:41] nuclear secrets. The worst possible
[01:22:44] thing you could do. We didn't even
[01:22:45] arrest them. Why did And when I looked
[01:22:48] into why didn't we arrest Robert
[01:22:49] Maxwell, it because it would have it
[01:22:52] caused an international incident that
[01:22:55] embarrassed Israel. Well, they should be
[01:22:57] embarrassed. They stole our nuclear
[01:22:59] secrets when they were pretending to be
[01:23:00] our allies. They should be deeply deeply
[01:23:02] embarrassed. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[01:23:05] no, no, no. Not only was Robert Maxwell
[01:23:07] not arrested, he was allowed to buy
[01:23:10] textbooks in America for that go into
[01:23:13] our kids' schools. We're letting a
[01:23:16] trader like that, a guy, he wasn't
[01:23:18] American, but he was a British citizen.
[01:23:20] He was a, you know, and and and he lived
[01:23:23] here, he lived there. And we're letting
[01:23:25] him buy the textbooks that go into our
[01:23:27] kids' schools after after he stole our
[01:23:30] nuclear secrets. He and eventually got a
[01:23:33] state funeral again. Heroes welcome in
[01:23:35] Israel. Congratulations. Are we ever
[01:23:37] going to stand up for this country? So,
[01:23:40] how about the spies we caught after
[01:23:41] 9/11? Okay, put aside whether they knew,
[01:23:44] didn't know what what their activity
[01:23:46] was, but we rounded up dozens and dozens
[01:23:49] of Israeli spies. Okay, great. Great
[01:23:51] job, FBI, CIA, whoever did it.
[01:23:53] Fantastic. Really proud of you. And then
[01:23:55] we let them go back to Israel. Is that a
[01:23:58] thing we do? If we catch a Russian spy
[01:24:00] or an Iranian spy or a Dutch spy, do we
[01:24:03] go, "Oh, you're free to go." Aren't we
[01:24:05] supposed to arrest them and keep them in
[01:24:07] prison? But when it comes to Israel,
[01:24:09] there are no laws. There are no rules.
[01:24:11] they're allowed to do anything you want
[01:24:13] and if you object Jake Tapper comes out
[01:24:15] and calls you an anti-semite. So, a year
[01:24:16] ago this week, the new president right
[01:24:18] after inauguration issued an executive
[01:24:20] order uh declaring that all files
[01:24:22] related to the Kennedy assassination,
[01:24:24] MLK
[01:24:25] um and Bobby Kennedy's assassination had
[01:24:27] to be released and they they haven't all
[01:24:30] been unfortunately, but um in tranches
[01:24:33] of documents that have been released in
[01:24:34] the last 12 months, we've seen again and
[01:24:36] again references to Israel have been and
[01:24:39] there are a lot of references to Israel
[01:24:40] in the files around the Kennedy
[01:24:42] assassination, interestingly, uh have
[01:24:44] all been redacted.
[01:24:46] all been redacted for 62 years, 63
[01:24:49] years. It's like what? I don't
[01:24:52] understand like why would that be? Why
[01:24:54] are there two monuments to Jim Angleton
[01:24:56] in Israel? You know, uh the number two
[01:24:59] at CIA. I think it's all very very odd
[01:25:02] and you hear people complain about
[01:25:03] conspiracy theories and I'm definitely
[01:25:05] against conspiratorial thinking because
[01:25:07] it drives you crazy. On the other hand,
[01:25:09] in the absence of transparency, that
[01:25:11] stuff grows like algae. I mean, what do
[01:25:12] you think if you don't tell people the
[01:25:14] truth? Like what are they supposed to
[01:25:15] think? They're going to come up with all
[01:25:17] kinds of theories. Why can't why would
[01:25:19] you redact references to Israel in the
[01:25:21] Kennedy files for six decades? Like what
[01:25:24] is that?
[01:25:26] >> That's almost an admission. So like I I
[01:25:29] didn't
[01:25:30] >> It's very odd. I'll say that.
[01:25:32] >> So I didn't know that until recently.
[01:25:34] And and again establishment media never
[01:25:36] talks about these things. And again,
[01:25:37] it's not just about Israel. So for
[01:25:39] example, on 911, we're redacting
[01:25:40] references to the Saudis.
[01:25:42] >> Oh, I know.
[01:25:42] >> Why? Why? So they say, "Well, they're
[01:25:45] our allies." Well, if they're our
[01:25:47] allies, then maybe they shouldn't have
[01:25:49] had an hand in 9/11, right? Uh they
[01:25:52] didn't have a hand in 911. Okay, great.
[01:25:53] Then show me the redacted part. No, I
[01:25:54] won't show you the redacted part.
[01:25:56] >> Okay, now this is weird. Now, this is
[01:25:58] our government working for other
[01:26:00] governments. And what happened after
[01:26:00] 9/11? We rounded up all the bin Ladens.
[01:26:03] Yes, there were bin Laden in America.
[01:26:05] And we rounded up all the Israeli spies.
[01:26:07] And yes, there was tons and tons of
[01:26:08] Israeli spies in America.
[01:26:10] >> Following the 19 hijackers around the
[01:26:12] country.
[01:26:12] >> Yeah. Yep.
[01:26:14] >> And what do we do? We round them up. Oh,
[01:26:15] great. We got them. And we release them
[01:26:17] back to Saudi Arabia and Israel.
[01:26:19] >> Yeah.
[01:26:19] >> No, that's our
[01:26:20] >> And then we invade Iraq.
[01:26:21] >> Yeah. Nothing to do with it. And
[01:26:24] increase domestic police powers to the
[01:26:26] point where the country is not
[01:26:27] recognizable from what it was on
[01:26:29] September 10th, 2001. So
[01:26:31] >> that's our government working for other
[01:26:33] governments. I can't stand it. So which
[01:26:35] leads us to Epstein. Okay. So here's
[01:26:38] another one. Drop site news has proven
[01:26:40] definitively that in my opinion and
[01:26:43] we'll talk about the evidence that
[01:26:45] Epstein worked for an intelligence
[01:26:46] agency and almost certainly Mossad.
[01:26:49] Yeah.
[01:26:49] >> Okay. And almost certainly the CIA knew
[01:26:52] it.
[01:26:52] >> Of course. Okay. So now what's the
[01:26:54] evidence? It's overwhelming. First of
[01:26:56] all, uh in all the emails he is looking
[01:26:59] to help one country. No, it's not
[01:27:01] Finland and no it's not America. It's
[01:27:03] Israel. So how do we get cyber weapons
[01:27:06] to Israel? How do we get America to bomb
[01:27:08] Syria? How do we get America to bomb
[01:27:10] Iran? Okay. Uh, hey, uh, Barack, former
[01:27:14] prime minister of Israel, I can set up a
[01:27:16] meeting with you with Putin. Wait,
[01:27:18] Epstein is so powerful, he can set up
[01:27:21] meetings with the former prime minister
[01:27:22] of Israel can't. He can call Putin any
[01:27:25] time and get someone a meeting. Then we
[01:27:29] find out that he was in the middle of
[01:27:30] the Iran Contra affair. He was the one
[01:27:33] switching the planes out. How many
[01:27:35] civilians were involved in the Iran
[01:27:37] Contra affair? Easy answer. Zero. There
[01:27:40] are no civilians involved in Iran
[01:27:42] Contra. Everyone was intelligence. Okay.
[01:27:44] So, this guy switching out planes in the
[01:27:46] middle of Iran Contra is obviously
[01:27:48] intelligence. And that's Jeffrey
[01:27:49] Epstein. Okay. So, Jeffrey Epste was
[01:27:52] much more powerful than we realized. He
[01:27:54] could set up a meeting with almost any
[01:27:56] war leader. He can get almost anyone
[01:27:57] into the White House. Again, Aud Brock
[01:27:59] has trouble getting into the White
[01:28:00] House. Epste makes a call. Boom. He's in
[01:28:03] the White House. Israeli spy stays over
[01:28:05] at at Epstein's house. There's just no
[01:28:08] question about it. He is definitely
[01:28:10] intelligence and in every turn he's
[01:28:12] looking to help one country and it's
[01:28:14] Israel.
[01:28:16] American media says shut up. No, Jeffrey
[01:28:19] Epstein New York Times has a story about
[01:28:21] how he's like a Forest Gump. He just
[01:28:23] tripped over the money and oh god golly
[01:28:26] gee he just happened to be an in savvy
[01:28:28] investor and nothing to see here. Don't.
[01:28:31] Now, job site news already showed it.
[01:28:33] Why wouldn't you try to build on that?
[01:28:35] Why wouldn't you cover that? Is that not
[01:28:38] an interesting story that
[01:28:39] >> I think it qualifies? I don't
[01:28:42] understand. I'm not pretending to
[01:28:43] understand it, but it's certainly
[01:28:44] interesting.
[01:28:45] >> It's certainly interesting.
[01:28:46] >> Yeah.
[01:28:46] >> I mean, and by the way,
[01:28:47] >> and it seems significant, too.
[01:28:49] >> Yeah. If you're the New York Times or
[01:28:50] your JTA or your CNN, disprove it. I
[01:28:53] don't want to believe something that's
[01:28:54] wrong. So, show me. Oh, no. Drop site
[01:28:56] knows who's got it wrong. Those emails
[01:28:58] are wrong. It turns out he was working
[01:29:00] for uh Sweden. Okay. Or no one. Fine.
[01:29:04] But they don't do that. They don't
[01:29:07] disprove it. They don't prove it. They
[01:29:08] don't report on it. They never ever talk
[01:29:11] about it. That is super weird.
[01:29:15] Super weird.
[01:29:15] >> Well, speaking of an admission of guilt.
[01:29:17] Yeah.
[01:29:17] >> Yeah. Cuz that is the most interesting
[01:29:20] story in a long long time. Obviously,
[01:29:23] American people are captivated by it.
[01:29:24] >> Yes. Is the is the New York Times and
[01:29:26] CNN claiming that they're not captivated
[01:29:28] by it? No. They obviously are, right?
[01:29:30] And they report about it as it affects
[01:29:33] Trump all the time. Trump, Trump, Trump,
[01:29:35] Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. Right. I'm
[01:29:37] not saying that Trump didn't know
[01:29:38] Epstein. He did. I'm not saying they
[01:29:39] weren't great friends. They were. Right.
[01:29:42] But
[01:29:42] >> it's a bigger story. I think we
[01:29:44] >> It's a bigger story than just Trump.
[01:29:46] Yes, I think it is.
[01:29:46] >> Right. But whenever it comes to Trump,
[01:29:48] they're like, "Yes, it was Trump. It was
[01:29:49] Trump." Why? Magic. You don't want to
[01:29:52] have people look here. This is where the
[01:29:54] real action is. So get him to look here.
[01:29:56] Get him to look here.
[01:29:57] >> It's three card monty.
[01:29:58] >> Yes. It's all an illusion. So
[01:30:02] it's unconscionable not to talk about
[01:30:04] Epste's connections to intelligence
[01:30:06] including Mossad and including the CIA
[01:30:08] >> for sure and British intelligence and
[01:30:10] French and and what was this? I mean you
[01:30:13] get the sense that it reveals the you
[01:30:15] know the superructure beneath you know
[01:30:17] it it gives you a glimpse into how power
[01:30:20] is exercised globally because it is
[01:30:22] global right and I you know there's so
[01:30:25] much I know a lot about the epste story
[01:30:27] and I'm still totally ignorant about
[01:30:30] what that was I really don't understand
[01:30:31] it but it's obvious there's
[01:30:34] it's a third rail for a reason.
[01:30:36] >> Yeah. Yeah. So I that's why right now
[01:30:41] there's a bit of a revolution going on.
[01:30:42] >> Do you think there is?
[01:30:43] >> I there is. Yeah. And so that again
[01:30:46] another reason why they hate you so
[01:30:48] much. Uh because uh the leftwing was
[01:30:50] already gone. You know 92% disapproving
[01:30:52] of the actions of Israel and Gaza. And
[01:30:55] our politicians already gave us the
[01:30:56] middle finger and said no, we'll lose
[01:30:59] this election rather than defy Israel.
[01:31:02] We'll lose Michigan. We'll lose swing
[01:31:03] states. We don't care. We serve Israel
[01:31:06] loyally. Okay. Now, there's a bunch of
[01:31:09] Democrats that are against that. Roana
[01:31:10] being the leading guy saying, "No, I
[01:31:12] want to see the Epstein files. No, I
[01:31:14] think Palestine should exist. I don't
[01:31:16] know why Pal why everybody talks about
[01:31:18] Israel should be allowed to exist." Good
[01:31:20] news, they do, right? And they have
[01:31:22] nukes and they have Iron Dome that
[01:31:23] nobody has. They're about as safe a
[01:31:25] countries as you could find on planet
[01:31:26] Earth. No one else has Iron Dome. Only a
[01:31:28] handful of countries have nukes. They
[01:31:30] have a better military than the rest of
[01:31:31] the Middle East combined. They're
[01:31:33] perfectly safe. Then you say, "Okay,
[01:31:34] you're good. You exist. We're all in
[01:31:36] favor of that. Now Palestine should
[01:31:37] exist." They're like, "How dare you, you
[01:31:39] anti-Semite." No, no, no, no, no, no,
[01:31:41] no. You're the bigot. You're the bigot
[01:31:43] saying that another people should not
[01:31:46] have freedom. They should you they've
[01:31:48] kept those people enslaved, 5 and a half
[01:31:50] million Palestinians for 58 years. And
[01:31:52] then they brag, oh, Israel is the best
[01:31:54] democracy in the only democracy in the
[01:31:56] Middle East. Well, it's a democracy
[01:31:58] within Israel. It's a dictatorship
[01:32:00] within the occupied territories. what is
[01:32:02] happening in the occupied territories.
[01:32:04] >> There's a bit of a dictatorship now in
[01:32:05] mainland Israel for for Israeli Jews,
[01:32:08] too. I mean, you're not welcome to Well,
[01:32:10] first of all, they try to keep people
[01:32:13] from leaving the country of restricted
[01:32:14] freedom of movement and there I mean,
[01:32:16] you get the cops at your door for saying
[01:32:18] certain things in that country. It's in
[01:32:19] many countries that's that's true, but
[01:32:21] it's also true there. So, like, come on
[01:32:22] now.
[01:32:23] >> Yeah.
[01:32:24] >> Stop stop lying to me.
[01:32:25] >> Yeah. And and so the media, they they're
[01:32:30] an enormous part of the problem. So, you
[01:32:32] see our politicians both under
[01:32:33] Democratic and Republican uh presidents
[01:32:36] and administrations say, "No, we're not
[01:32:37] going to release the Epstein files. No,
[01:32:39] we're going to give Epstein a sweetheart
[01:32:40] deal back in 2008, and then we're going
[01:32:43] to take Alex Acasta and make him the
[01:32:45] labor secretary under Trump." Right.
[01:32:47] >> That was the funniest thing that's ever
[01:32:49] happened. Didn't work very well.
[01:32:50] >> Yeah. And by the way, oh, Gileain
[01:32:53] Maxwell, that sounds familiar. Oh, she's
[01:32:55] a daughter of Robert Maxwell, legendary
[01:32:58] Israeli spy who stole our nuclear
[01:33:00] secrets. By the way, I don't know that
[01:33:02] that's ever been mentioned on cable news
[01:33:04] ever. Isn't that a super interesting
[01:33:07] fact that the main co-conspirator of
[01:33:10] Jeffrey Epstein that her dad was the
[01:33:13] biggest spy Israel has ever had? Now,
[01:33:15] you could say, hey, the sins of the
[01:33:17] father are not passed on to the
[01:33:18] daughter. So, that doesn't prove
[01:33:19] anything, but it's at least an
[01:33:20] interesting fact. And it's not even the
[01:33:22] most interesting. In my opinion, the
[01:33:24] most interesting fact is Attorney
[01:33:26] General Bar covered up Ebstein's murder
[01:33:29] cuz he was murdered. And he covered it
[01:33:32] up as the attorney general of the United
[01:33:33] States and said, "We have to let people
[01:33:36] know this was a suicide." Like number
[01:33:38] one rule is don't let them think it was
[01:33:39] a murder. He said that before they done
[01:33:41] an investigation into it. So like that's
[01:33:42] a cover up by definition. You don't even
[01:33:44] know the facts, but you're reaching a
[01:33:45] conclusion and commanding everyone else
[01:33:46] reach the same conclusion. You're
[01:33:47] covering it up. And then it turns out
[01:33:50] his father Donald Bar
[01:33:53] got Jeff Ebstein his first job teaching
[01:33:55] math at the Dalton school. He didn't
[01:33:57] even have a college degree. Okay. And
[01:33:59] then got him a job at Bear Sterns.
[01:34:03] The attorney general's father is the one
[01:34:06] who started Jeffrey Epstein's career and
[01:34:08] set him up with his friends in finance
[01:34:10] and then his son becomes attorney
[01:34:11] general and covers up his murder. I
[01:34:13] mean, what are the chances, Jenk? Like,
[01:34:15] what are the odds on that, do you think?
[01:34:18] Then you combine that with the odds on
[01:34:19] the Maxwells. Then you combine that with
[01:34:21] the odds of Israeli spies and prime
[01:34:23] ministers staying at his house. And then
[01:34:25] you combine that with all the emails
[01:34:26] he's saying, "I can't wait to get
[01:34:28] America to do what Israel wants.
[01:34:31] >> Unlikely things happen, but we've all
[01:34:32] seen crazy things happen. It's like, oh,
[01:34:34] happen stance." And like,
[01:34:35] >> you know, sometimes it, you know, rolls
[01:34:37] up and you get the jackpot. I get it. It
[01:34:39] that is part of life. But if it keeps
[01:34:42] happening and you keep yelling at me for
[01:34:44] noticing, I think you think I'm dumb,
[01:34:47] right?
[01:34:47] >> Yeah. And so Tucker, what I think
[01:34:50] happened is
[01:34:50] >> Come on now.
[01:34:52] >> Yeah. They they're insulting our
[01:34:54] intelligence.
[01:34:55] >> You think 100%. And so what but there's
[01:34:58] something great happening at the same
[01:34:59] time.
[01:35:00] >> So So politicians terrible, but now we
[01:35:02] got a little bit of rebellion on the
[01:35:04] Democratic side with Aana and a couple
[01:35:05] of guys. Little bit of rebellion on the
[01:35:07] Republican side with Tom Massie. a
[01:35:09] little bit of anti-war with Rand Paul.
[01:35:11] Marjorie Taylor Green was great. I
[01:35:13] wanted her to stay. By the way, the one
[01:35:15] person they we had Marjorie Taylor Green
[01:35:17] on the show a couple of times. People
[01:35:18] start yelling at me, "How dare you? What
[01:35:20] are you doing? She's the enemy and
[01:35:22] stuff." And I'm like, "Guys, they want
[01:35:24] you to think that the other side is the
[01:35:26] enemy. They want you."
[01:35:27] >> You had Marie on your show.
[01:35:28] >> Yeah.
[01:35:28] >> Oh, bless you. Good.
[01:35:30] >> So, they want you to attack, use all of
[01:35:33] your energy and all of your fight
[01:35:35] against other Americans. Okay.
[01:35:37] >> Of course. And so Marjorie Taylor Green
[01:35:40] comes on and I said, "Well, I had her on
[01:35:43] because she's agreeing with us. She's
[01:35:45] now she's she's anti-war. We're
[01:35:48] anti-war." Like, I'm taking yes for an
[01:35:50] answer. Right.
[01:35:51] >> Amen.
[01:35:51] >> They said, "But she did she ever do
[01:35:53] anything substantive to stand up to
[01:35:55] Israel?" Yeah, actually she did. She
[01:35:57] almost single-handedly killed a boycott,
[01:35:59] devestment, and sanction bill in the
[01:36:01] House. Yeah. She said, "No, this is
[01:36:03] taking away Americans freedom of speech.
[01:36:06] I'm against it." And when she made a big
[01:36:08] deal out of it, it embarrassed other
[01:36:10] Republicans because Yeah. It's against
[01:36:12] our freedom of speech.
[01:36:13] >> Exactly.
[01:36:14] >> Right. And so she did do something
[01:36:16] great, right?
[01:36:17] >> More than almost anyone.
[01:36:19] >> Yeah. And so I I still disagree with
[01:36:21] Marjorie and you on other issues. Right.
[01:36:22] Right. But why would people get That's
[01:36:24] so interesting that
[01:36:27] the people be mad at you for having her
[01:36:29] on when she's one of the only members of
[01:36:33] Congress, literally the only members,
[01:36:35] who's doing the things that you have
[01:36:36] said that you believed in for a long,
[01:36:38] long time.
[01:36:39] >> 100%.
[01:36:39] >> It's so strange
[01:36:41] >> because it's because we've been taught
[01:36:44] by who? By the media to hate each other
[01:36:47] and to have a tribal brain, partisan
[01:36:49] brain. Totally true.
[01:36:50] >> Right. So because if the left and the
[01:36:53] right, the Republicans and Democrats
[01:36:54] realize that the people rigging the
[01:36:56] rules are the ones with all the wealth
[01:36:59] and power up top, that is the only force
[01:37:02] that is mighty enough to take on the
[01:37:05] ruling class, the donor class. So that
[01:37:08] is why they have to get us fighting at
[01:37:10] all times. You must hate each other.
[01:37:12] Don't look up. Whatever you do, don't
[01:37:13] look up. Hate each other. Use all your
[01:37:15] energy this way. So unfortunately, our
[01:37:18] side got taught this too. So Marjorie
[01:37:20] Taylor Green, Tucker Carlson, that's it.
[01:37:22] You can't ever talk to them. They're the
[01:37:24] bad guys, right? I'm like, are they
[01:37:26] still the bad guys if they agree with
[01:37:28] me,
[01:37:29] >> right?
[01:37:31] Let's let's let's get back. What? Let's
[01:37:32] define bad guy for a second.
[01:37:35] >> And and do Wait, do I have to change my
[01:37:40] position if Tucker agrees with me? Do I
[01:37:43] have to become pro-war?
[01:37:47] >> All right, let's bomb Iran now. This is
[01:37:49] too much. I can't deal with it. Some
[01:37:50] podcaster agrees with me. I'm changing
[01:37:53] my mind.
[01:37:53] >> Yeah. So, now Ro did something really
[01:37:56] smart and this gets back to Marjorie in
[01:37:57] a sec. Um Ro took a executive order that
[01:38:01] uh Trump had uh about lowering drug
[01:38:03] prices, most favored nation status,
[01:38:05] right? If France, Germany, Japan are
[01:38:07] paying this much, we should pay that
[01:38:08] much. Why are we financing the whole
[01:38:11] world?
[01:38:12] >> And that's what's happening. We're
[01:38:13] paying so much more not than Ethiopia,
[01:38:16] but other developed nations like
[01:38:18] Germany. And
[01:38:19] >> of course, to subsidize drugs that
[01:38:22] aren't even made in this country.
[01:38:23] >> Yes.
[01:38:24] >> It's so bonkers.
[01:38:25] >> By the way, we subsidize them in a
[01:38:26] hundred different ways. We also we we
[01:38:28] pay for their research that goes to the
[01:38:30] universities. Right.
[01:38:31] >> Of course.
[01:38:31] >> And then they then we give them the
[01:38:33] patent. What? No. No. No. That patent is
[01:38:36] worth billions, maybe trillions of
[01:38:37] dollars. And the American taxpayer paid
[01:38:40] for that research. Should we not get
[01:38:42] equity? That is how capitalism works.
[01:38:46] When we bailed out the banks, should we
[01:38:47] have not gotten equity? If a private
[01:38:50] company bailed out the banks, they would
[01:38:52] have owned the banks. Okay. That's how
[01:38:55] capitalism works.
[01:38:56] >> If you don't pay your mortgage, they own
[01:38:58] your house.
[01:38:59] >> Exactly. Right. But for
[01:39:00] >> it's called collateral.
[01:39:01] >> Yes. But for the donor class, in that
[01:39:04] case, the pharmaceutical companies.
[01:39:05] Nope. Nope. Just have it for free.
[01:39:07] >> Right. You outsource the risk. You
[01:39:09] privatize the reward. It's the oldest
[01:39:10] system there is and also the most
[01:39:12] immoral.
[01:39:13] >> Yeah. And so the reason why the tappers
[01:39:16] of the world hate left-wing populists is
[01:39:19] because we've been pointing this out for
[01:39:20] 20 years. So, so when Ro does this and
[01:39:23] he goes, "Okay, look, the executive
[01:39:25] order, it's it'll get knocked down by
[01:39:27] the courts." But good news, if we turn
[01:39:29] it into a bill, it can't get knocked
[01:39:32] down by the courts. So, he took the
[01:39:34] executive order verbatim, didn't change
[01:39:36] a word, okay? And said, "Now, let's pass
[01:39:38] it as a bill." and he got two or three
[01:39:40] Republican co-sponsors. I went to the
[01:39:42] Democrats, the couple of Democrats that
[01:39:44] I know in Congress, and I was like,
[01:39:45] "Guys, this is beautiful. It's a layup.
[01:39:47] This is core Democratic policy. We got
[01:39:49] super lucky. Trump did an executive
[01:39:51] order doing our policies, so let's jump
[01:39:53] on Roseville." Nope.
[01:39:56] The only person I could convince to join
[01:39:58] Roseville was Marjorie Taylor Green.
[01:40:01] >> No way.
[01:40:02] >> Yes.
[01:40:05] And what did Jake Tapper weigh in on
[01:40:07] this?
[01:40:08] So, no, here's my beef. Old school beef
[01:40:10] with Jake. So, other than his non-stop
[01:40:12] defense of Israel. Um,
[01:40:15] so, and I'm sure he'll object to that.
[01:40:17] Oh, that's I've slightly tweaked them
[01:40:19] from time to time. What do you mean?
[01:40:21] Okay. I'm slight I'm like 12% 11 n 7%
[01:40:25] against a genocide. Okay. But it's not a
[01:40:27] genocide, you anti-Semite. Okay. Uh, so
[01:40:31] I feel like Jay Tapper is looking down
[01:40:32] his nose at us every time he talks on
[01:40:34] TV. like and I will tell you this,
[01:40:37] Israel had nothing to do none of the
[01:40:38] donors had anything to do with anything,
[01:40:39] right?
[01:40:40] >> I feel like he I don't I don't why I
[01:40:41] know Jake well, but I feel like he's the
[01:40:44] one who's suffering. I feel like it
[01:40:46] hasn't worked. It's the prizes that he
[01:40:48] wanted. He weren't worth having
[01:40:51] >> and he's he doesn't seem happy at all to
[01:40:53] me. But, you know, maybe I'm just
[01:40:55] >> So, God bless his heart. I wish him
[01:40:58] nothing but happiness. But so, how did
[01:41:00] it come about? So when I ran for
[01:41:02] Congress, uh the media lied about me in
[01:41:04] hilarious ways. Okay. So and Jake joined
[01:41:07] in on that. So they would take out of
[01:41:09] context clips and then Jake would
[01:41:11] retweet it and without even checking
[01:41:13] what I thought you were a journalist. So
[01:41:15] they the New York Times said that I had
[01:41:17] a history of being anti-Muslim and never
[01:41:20] mentioned that I was born Muslim and my
[01:41:22] family's Muslim and my background's
[01:41:23] Muslim. Never mentioned it. The New York
[01:41:25] Times described me in such a vicious way
[01:41:27] that if I was a voter in my in that
[01:41:29] district that I was running in, I would
[01:41:30] have voted against me, right? Because I
[01:41:32] don't want to vote for an anti-Muslim,
[01:41:34] anti-semite, anti- everything. They
[01:41:36] painted me as like some like vicious
[01:41:40] racist right-winger when I was the
[01:41:43] biggest supporter of Bernie Sanders in
[01:41:45] the primaries, right, in 2016, 2020,
[01:41:47] etc. So, and then they said, uh, oh, he
[01:41:51] had an interview with David Duke where I
[01:41:53] lit into David Duke because David Duke
[01:41:55] was saying outwardly anti-semitic things
[01:41:57] and I called him an anti-semite, a
[01:41:58] bigot, all these things. You know me, I
[01:42:01] >> and also a federal informant just to be
[01:42:03] just add to the list.
[01:42:04] >> Yeah. And so, and an idiot, etc. So, I
[01:42:07] said all those things in the interview.
[01:42:09] I hold no holds bar to Young Turks,
[01:42:11] right? Uh, New York Times said that I
[01:42:14] agreed with David Duke that he was not a
[01:42:16] racist.
[01:42:18] And other outlets said that I brought
[01:42:19] David Duke on to share his anti-Semitic
[01:42:22] views.
[01:42:22] >> No way.
[01:42:23] >> Yeah. And so other journalists watched
[01:42:26] the interview. They want to see how
[01:42:28] terribly anti-semitic and racist Jenk
[01:42:30] was pretending to be a leftwinger and
[01:42:32] all this. And they're like, "Holy
[01:42:34] you guys are totally lying." The exact
[01:42:36] opposite happened in the interview. So
[01:42:38] New York Times had to do a rare
[01:42:40] correction on that one. They're like,
[01:42:42] "Okay, fine. All right." He was being
[01:42:43] sarcastic. Fine. Okay. But we, by the
[01:42:47] way, I had a PR person because it was a
[01:42:49] congressional run. They and they're
[01:42:50] really well connected to all these
[01:42:52] folks. They called the New York Times.
[01:42:53] They called the editor and the editor,
[01:42:54] this is amazing. The editor told them,
[01:42:56] and I don't know why they say these
[01:42:57] things. I'm stunned that they say them
[01:42:59] out loud, but the editor told him,
[01:43:02] "Look, you're right. I watched a David
[01:43:04] Duke interview. We got to retract it.
[01:43:07] And you're right about the Muslim thing.
[01:43:08] You're right about the beastiality
[01:43:10] thing, which we'll get back to,
[01:43:12] >> which is hilarious. That's that's my
[01:43:13] favorite. Hold on." So he says, "But I I
[01:43:16] went around and I asked and everyone
[01:43:19] here hates Jenk and they don't want to
[01:43:21] do a correction. The best I could do was
[01:43:23] get a correction on the David Duke one
[01:43:25] cuz that one's so over the top.
[01:43:29] Everyone here hates Jenk.
[01:43:32] That's amazing. That's amazing." I don't
[01:43:35] know how many people he asked. I don't
[01:43:36] know if he asked three people, 13
[01:43:37] people. It was probably a small group
[01:43:39] that was working on that group. So, but
[01:43:41] the fact that he would say that to our
[01:43:43] PR guy is unbelievable, right? So, now
[01:43:46] the beastiality. Okay. So, I do a
[01:43:48] segment on the Young Turks like over a
[01:43:50] decade ago and I say we had this guy
[01:43:53] Rodell that was having sex with horses
[01:43:56] in in Tennessee and we thought we
[01:43:58] thought what a bizarre crazy story. He
[01:44:00] gave the horse an STD. OKAY, WE'RE LIKE
[01:44:03] RODELL, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHAT ARE YOU
[01:44:05] DOING? We're making fun of this guy.
[01:44:06] Then I really dryly I go, you know what?
[01:44:10] If the horse is receiving it, you know,
[01:44:12] I don't know that the horse is
[01:44:13] objecting, right? They cut the tape and
[01:44:15] he goes, "That's it. Jens be okay. Now,
[01:44:19] if you keep rolling the tape, what I say
[01:44:22] next is, is the horse going to object?"
[01:44:24] Nay. And then everybody in the studio,
[01:44:27] >> that's pretty funny, actually.
[01:44:28] >> Yeah. And everybody laughs. But they cut
[01:44:30] that part out, right? So it New York
[01:44:33] Times made it seem like it was part of
[01:44:35] my legislative agenda
[01:44:38] >> or sex. Yes. I mean, isn't that like an
[01:44:41] old Lyndon Johnson quote?
[01:44:42] >> It's It is very much like a very f I
[01:44:45] can't say it's too vulgar, but Yes. And
[01:44:46] the idea was to accuse your opponent of
[01:44:49] well, beastiality.
[01:44:52] Not because it's true, because then
[01:44:53] he'll have to deny it and repeat it.
[01:44:55] >> Yeah. And here I am denying and when the
[01:44:57] conversation is about beastiality,
[01:44:59] you're not winning.
[01:45:00] >> Doesn't matter. So that's why they do
[01:45:02] tricks like that. And Tapper's like,
[01:45:04] "Retweet. Love it. Who cares?" Oh, I
[01:45:07] wonder what he said next. is not a
[01:45:09] thought he had in his mind apparently.
[01:45:11] Right.
[01:45:11] >> That's amazing.
[01:45:12] >> So that's how they do character
[01:45:14] assassinations. Okay.
[01:45:16] >> But you said so but you said at the
[01:45:17] outset um that they're losing and I
[01:45:20] think I do think that's like the real
[01:45:22] lesson here. So like I was at CNN with
[01:45:25] Jake, you know, 25 years ago and that
[01:45:27] was like a big to us it was a you know
[01:45:29] in your 20s it's like a big thing. We're
[01:45:30] at CNN. Oh it's so great. and he stayed.
[01:45:33] And um and you get to 2026, it's like
[01:45:36] who would want a job at CNN? Like I
[01:45:39] don't think again the prize is worth
[01:45:41] winning. Like you don't actually want
[01:45:43] that. Not just because it's liberal or
[01:45:45] whatever, dishonest because like nobody
[01:45:46] cares.
[01:45:47] >> Yeah.
[01:45:48] >> Like it doesn't mean anything anymore.
[01:45:49] Or maybe I'm just too out of it. And I
[01:45:51] think that Do you think it still means
[01:45:52] something?
[01:45:53] >> Uh no, it means very little. But in
[01:45:56] their world that's still high status for
[01:45:58] them.
[01:45:58] >> Really?
[01:45:58] >> Yeah. Oh, of course. So look, Tucker,
[01:46:02] look at our careers and and
[01:46:04] how much things have changed in the last
[01:46:07] 10-15 years,
[01:46:08] >> right?
[01:46:09] >> And so when I was a a host on MSNBC at
[01:46:13] 6:00,
[01:46:15] um back in 2011, um that was highly
[01:46:19] celebrated. I mean, oh yeah, I I
[01:46:21] instantly started winning awards and
[01:46:24] getting speeches, paid speeches, and all
[01:46:26] these amazing things that I never got
[01:46:28] online. We're the We're the first
[01:46:30] YouTube partner channel ever. I'm I'm
[01:46:33] the original YouTuber.
[01:46:34] >> Uh and really
[01:46:35] >> Yeah. I've gotten
[01:46:36] >> Young Turks.
[01:46:37] >> Young Turks.
[01:46:38] >> I didn't know that. Yeah.
[01:46:39] >> What year did you start it?
[01:46:40] >> So, we started the show back in 2002.
[01:46:43] So, we've been around 23 years. We were
[01:46:46] the original talk show for Serious
[01:46:47] Satellite Radio. So, we're the first
[01:46:49] show there.
[01:46:50] >> Uh then we went to Air America that you
[01:46:53] remember the liberal radio and we were
[01:46:55] there morning drive. Um and then we went
[01:46:57] so as part of that we were all over uh
[01:47:00] radio markets throughout the country on
[01:47:02] XM and we did great. Our ratings were
[01:47:05] terrific in in different places.
[01:47:07] Then we started online video in 2005 and
[01:47:10] we're the oldest running show in
[01:47:12] internet history. We're the longest
[01:47:14] running show there is online.
[01:47:15] >> That's amaz I did not know that. That's
[01:47:17] amazing.
[01:47:18] >> So that's pretty neat and we feel good
[01:47:19] about it now. Uh
[01:47:20] >> but there wasn't a ton of prestige
[01:47:22] attached to that
[01:47:23] >> for the first 10 years, right?
[01:47:25] >> Oh my god. I I was mocked.
[01:47:26] >> You're on the internet.
[01:47:28] >> Yeah. I
[01:47:28] >> mean, I was on television, so I know
[01:47:29] that I looked out on the internet. Some
[01:47:31] internet show. Yeah. Internet.
[01:47:34] >> Yeah.
[01:47:35] >> People told to us told us like, "Why
[01:47:37] would you leave Serious Satellite Radio
[01:47:39] to go do YouTube?" Like, "What are you
[01:47:42] on there with the cats playing piano?"
[01:47:44] >> 100% fat kid falls off bike. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:47:47] Yeah. And so, and it's I keep turning
[01:47:50] down money. It's serious. They offered
[01:47:51] us a quarter of a million to to not do
[01:47:54] online video. And I was like, "No, no.
[01:47:57] Online video is the future. I'm going to
[01:47:59] do online video by Hooker by Crook. I I
[01:48:01] believe it in a thousand%." I wrote my
[01:48:04] friends an email in 1998 saying online
[01:48:06] video was going to be TV, that it was
[01:48:07] only a matter of time. Okay? So, that's
[01:48:10] why we're the first YouTube partner cuz
[01:48:11] I was positive not only that online
[01:48:13] video was going to win, but YouTube was
[01:48:15] going to win. And so, the entire time
[01:48:17] mainstream media is mocking us, etc. Uh
[01:48:20] but then in 2011 I'm uh I did a campaign
[01:48:23] to get on MSNBC and our audience is
[01:48:25] amazing, best audience in the world.
[01:48:27] They uh sent thousands of emails to
[01:48:30] MSNBC until I finally got a meeting. My
[01:48:32] agent originally fired me. I I declared
[01:48:34] my candidacy for the open position at
[01:48:36] MSNBC
[01:48:38] and the guy who worked for us at CIA at
[01:48:40] the time was like, "This is
[01:48:41] embarrassing. You're not going to get
[01:48:43] the job and so don't do that as it'll be
[01:48:45] very public." And I was like, "Brother,
[01:48:47] I got news for you. I wasn't going to
[01:48:48] get the job anyway. Okay. Fair. Fair.
[01:48:50] Right. And so, and I'm a risk taker and
[01:48:53] I'm a natural-b born rebel, so I'm going
[01:48:55] to go for it. And I and I believe in my
[01:48:57] audience. And they did. They got me the
[01:48:58] job there. Great news. That's wild. It
[01:49:02] was amazing. And then they kept watching
[01:49:03] and watching. We're like doubling the
[01:49:05] ratings of the regular host. It's
[01:49:07] unseen, unheard of. Like, if a guest
[01:49:10] host fills in and gets about 75% of the
[01:49:12] audience, that's that's a pretty good
[01:49:14] job. Definitely. Yeah. That's a nice
[01:49:16] job. I'm getting 125 150 on some super
[01:49:19] rare occasions got 200%. So doubling the
[01:49:22] audience but 125 150% of the regular
[01:49:25] hosts on a consistent basis to the point
[01:49:27] where a supervising producer came in
[01:49:29] closed the door on a day we had great
[01:49:30] ratings and Jenk you got to bring it
[01:49:32] down. I said why
[01:49:34] >> bring it down? Stop rating so high.
[01:49:37] >> He said because the other hosts won't
[01:49:40] want you to fill in for it.
[01:49:41] >> Well that is a real thing. Yeah
[01:49:42] >> that's a real thing.
[01:49:43] >> Oh I know. And so
[01:49:45] >> I never felt that way. I'm not
[01:49:46] competitive. But there were a lot of
[01:49:48] people would not have you sit in as a I
[01:49:50] mean that actually happened to me. Very
[01:49:52] famous host stopped having me because I
[01:49:54] did I did decent numbers. Yeah, they
[01:49:55] don't want that. I get it, you know. But
[01:49:57] >> well, good news. They got I the ratings
[01:49:59] were so good. I got the job anyway. I'm
[01:50:00] on there for 6 months. And then uh at
[01:50:03] the But in the middle uh I kept
[01:50:05] criticizing the Democrats and I I kept
[01:50:08] criticizing Obama from the left, not
[01:50:10] from the right, but from the left.
[01:50:11] They're like, "Sh, remember who the home
[01:50:14] team is?"
[01:50:14] >> Yeah.
[01:50:15] >> Remember who the home team is.
[01:50:16] >> That's right.
[01:50:16] >> Right. And I'm like, "Yeah, the home
[01:50:18] team's the audience. That's why I have
[01:50:19] higher ratings than you've ever had at
[01:50:21] six o'clock."
[01:50:22] >> Yeah.
[01:50:22] >> And uh and they made me an offer that uh
[01:50:25] they thought I couldn't refuse, which
[01:50:28] was, you know what, we're going to move
[01:50:29] you down to the weekends even though you
[01:50:31] have the best ratings we've had. And by
[01:50:32] the way, I beat Fox in 18 to 34. I was
[01:50:35] the only MSNBC show to beat Fox in any
[01:50:38] demographic. Okay? And they're like,
[01:50:41] "We're moving you down on the weekends."
[01:50:42] Why? They won't say it, but Phil did say
[01:50:45] it earlier on. He had pulled me into his
[01:50:47] office.
[01:50:47] >> This is Phil Griffin, the president.
[01:50:49] >> Yeah. of MSNBC. And he said, "I was at I
[01:50:52] was in Washington and they're not happy
[01:50:54] with your tone."
[01:50:55] >> Uh, Washington's not happy. Mhm.
[01:50:59] >> Yeah. What? It's like a movie.
[01:51:01] >> It is. It's like But it's a B- rate
[01:51:03] movie. It's I'm like, why? The reason I
[01:51:05] believe you, I work for Phil Griffin, so
[01:51:07] I know, who I will always like, but he's
[01:51:10] not a genius at all. And so he says true
[01:51:12] things out loud because he doesn't sort
[01:51:15] of know. I mean, I can literally picture
[01:51:18] him saying, "Jen, Washington's not
[01:51:20] happy." Yeah, he know. He went further.
[01:51:23] He said, "Uh, outsiders are cool and
[01:51:25] they wear leather jackets and ride
[01:51:26] motorcycles." Okay, but we're NBC. We're
[01:51:30] not outsiders. We're insiders. I'm like,
[01:51:32] Phil, this is a dumb like I'm thinking
[01:51:34] it's a dumb speech and I'm the very last
[01:51:36] guy on earth you should be giving this
[01:51:38] speech to. Right. So that's why he
[01:51:40] offered to double my salary when he said
[01:51:42] move to the weekends because the only
[01:51:44] way you stay on cable news is if you
[01:51:46] play ball,
[01:51:47] >> of course.
[01:51:48] >> Right. And at some point apparently you
[01:51:51] were they were not happy with you
[01:51:53] >> apparently. And that that was the
[01:51:55] message I received. Yes.
[01:51:56] >> Yes.
[01:51:57] >> No one ever explained it but I don't I
[01:51:59] didn't care. Now, when I said no to
[01:52:00] MSNBC and when you came off off of Fox,
[01:52:03] in their minds, we were gone.
[01:52:06] >> We were dead. We didn't exist anymore.
[01:52:08] >> But yet, here we are.
[01:52:10] >> No, I I think that I'm thankful to God
[01:52:13] all the time for that. But no, I totally
[01:52:14] agree. And part of it's the technology,
[01:52:16] and I just wasn't far-sighted or
[01:52:19] broad-minded enough to see it early at
[01:52:22] all. I mean, I was busy scrambling up
[01:52:24] the greasy pole and I of television, and
[01:52:26] I just didn't I don't know. I didn't see
[01:52:28] it. You know, I made fun of Rogan. I've
[01:52:30] told Rogan this. I made fun of Rogan.
[01:52:32] Oh, a podcast. I'm sure a lot of people
[01:52:34] listen to that. Or the internet. I was
[01:52:36] like, "The internet, please."
[01:52:38] >> So, you saw it. I wish I had seen it. I
[01:52:40] didn't. But I also think it's not just
[01:52:42] technology. It's a way of thinking. And
[01:52:45] it's super obvious.
[01:52:47] I wrote a part of a book on this once
[01:52:49] that that your opening line is the
[01:52:52] truest thing. Some of this is real. A
[01:52:54] lot of it is fake. go fight amongst
[01:52:56] yourselves while we loot the place. Like
[01:52:58] that is true.
[01:53:00] >> Yeah. So what they do is they eventually
[01:53:03] remove anyone who objects to the system.
[01:53:07] >> Exactly.
[01:53:07] >> Right. So another good example is Dylan
[01:53:09] Ratigan. So Dylan Ratigan was
[01:53:11] >> always admired Dylan Ratigan.
[01:53:12] >> Yeah. He was a CNBC started their two
[01:53:15] most successful shows.
[01:53:17] Biggest most successful anchor they've
[01:53:19] ever had. But after 2008 crash, he said
[01:53:22] it was the banks because it was the
[01:53:24] banks.
[01:53:25] >> How was that controversial?
[01:53:27] >> And CNBC had to take him off the air.
[01:53:29] >> Who else was it?
[01:53:30] >> Who else was it?
[01:53:31] >> The borrowers. It's the borrower's
[01:53:33] fault.
[01:53:34] >> Who wrote the loans? The banks. So
[01:53:38] that's how the ecosystem works. Those
[01:53:40] banks pay the politicians. By the way,
[01:53:42] number one donor to Hope and Change
[01:53:45] Obama in 2008 were the banks. Okay. So
[01:53:49] then they get a giant bailout and their
[01:53:52] bonuses are paid and with some of those
[01:53:54] winnings they funnel the money back to
[01:53:56] the politicians and then how do they
[01:53:58] control media? Well, the banks are also
[01:54:00] huge advertisers.
[01:54:02] >> Wait, but are you is that true? I mean,
[01:54:04] okay, so ' 08 happens, the global
[01:54:06] financial crisis totally changed the
[01:54:08] world forever. And there's not a single
[01:54:11] human being, honest person who could say
[01:54:13] it wasn't the banks. I mean, what else
[01:54:14] would it be if it wasn't the banks? It
[01:54:16] was only the banks. It was the banks by
[01:54:18] definition.
[01:54:19] And he actually got taken off the air
[01:54:21] for saying that because if you can't say
[01:54:23] that then you can't acknowledge like
[01:54:25] daylight or gravity.
[01:54:27] >> Yeah, because that's true. That's really
[01:54:29] what happened.
[01:54:29] >> That's definitely what happened. Yes.
[01:54:31] And
[01:54:32] >> that's pretty wild.
[01:54:33] >> They said it was the borrowers. They
[01:54:35] did. It was the borrowers.
[01:54:36] >> Yes. It was their fault. They were being
[01:54:38] irresponsible. Uh they shouldn't
[01:54:40] >> borrowers. They shouldn't have borrowed
[01:54:42] so much.
[01:54:42] >> They wrote their own loans. Is that what
[01:54:43] they is that the allegation? I mean, why
[01:54:46] >> some housekeeper in Clark County, Nevada
[01:54:48] was writing bad loans to herself and
[01:54:50] golly G, we couldn't tell uh because we
[01:54:53] didn't do any due diligence on that
[01:54:54] loan. Well, why didn't you do any due
[01:54:56] diligence on that loan, right?
[01:54:57] >> Cuz they didn't care.
[01:54:58] >> And because they were using it for
[01:55:00] collateralized debt obligations and
[01:55:02] leveraging it up 100 to one and gambling
[01:55:04] with our money.
[01:55:05] >> They weren't actually mortgages. They
[01:55:07] were financial instruments. Exactly. And
[01:55:08] we thought we were taking bank loans.
[01:55:11] they were loaning that money out at
[01:55:12] interest and that we're getting the you
[01:55:14] know equity in the house whatever it
[01:55:16] that was not what it was and Dylan talks
[01:55:18] about how in the beginning we used to do
[01:55:20] wealth creation right now mainly it's
[01:55:23] wealth extraction
[01:55:24] >> yeah I've noticed
[01:55:25] >> and so those donors have having bought
[01:55:27] Congress and the media are sitting there
[01:55:30] and extracting as much from us as
[01:55:33] humanly possible the oil companies are
[01:55:35] very successful some of the top
[01:55:37] companies in the world very very
[01:55:38] profitable we give them $35 billion
[01:55:41] subsidies every year. Why? I don't know.
[01:55:45] Why is the average person working their
[01:55:47] ass off in Kansas, barely making, you
[01:55:50] know, the rent or the mortgage, have to
[01:55:52] give money to these incredibly
[01:55:55] profitable companies to incentivize oil
[01:55:57] drilling? We're here. Do they need
[01:55:59] further incentive? I thought capitalism
[01:56:02] was the incentive. I thought profit was
[01:56:04] the incentive. Why do I have to further
[01:56:06] incentivize oil companies to do their
[01:56:08] jobs?
[01:56:08] >> That's a good point. It's determined by
[01:56:10] the market price of oil, the per barrel
[01:56:12] price of oil, which is set on
[01:56:14] international markets. No individual
[01:56:15] controls that. And so when it's
[01:56:17] profitable to drill for oil or gas, they
[01:56:19] do. And when it's not, they don't. Like
[01:56:21] that's called the market, right?
[01:56:22] >> Yeah. And so, and here's another thing
[01:56:24] that's never corrected on cable news,
[01:56:25] even though it would be against Trump.
[01:56:27] So, they have every reason to to
[01:56:29] publicize this. So, when we invade
[01:56:31] Venezuela or we attack Venezuela, and
[01:56:33] now we're getting their oil, right? But
[01:56:36] wait, who is we? The American people
[01:56:39] don't get the oil of Venezuela. It has
[01:56:41] nothing to do with the American people.
[01:56:43] No. Exon Mobile gets a contract. Chevron
[01:56:46] gets a contract with Venezuela. They get
[01:56:49] the oil. They get the profits. They sell
[01:56:52] it on the world market, not just the
[01:56:53] American market at all. They have no
[01:56:55] obligation if they want. They don't have
[01:56:57] to send sell Americans a single ounce of
[01:57:01] that oil because it is their oil, not
[01:57:03] our oil. And why does that even matter?
[01:57:06] because Exon Mobile otherwise would have
[01:57:08] had to pay a higher price to get
[01:57:09] Venezuelan oil. It's not like they
[01:57:10] couldn't. They could just make a deal
[01:57:11] with Venezuela, but they chose not to
[01:57:13] because they thought it would be too
[01:57:14] expensive. So instead, we have to start
[01:57:17] a war. We have to pay for that war and
[01:57:20] then we pay oil subsidies on top for the
[01:57:22] oil companies and they get the oil. They
[01:57:24] settle on the world markets. It doesn't
[01:57:26] lower our prices at all. And so what did
[01:57:29] we get out of this?
[01:57:31] >> Well, so the plan on this and who knows
[01:57:33] how it'll work out. I don't know. But
[01:57:36] the plan is for the administration to
[01:57:40] negotiate the oil contracts and for the
[01:57:42] money to go to the administration and
[01:57:44] then to be doled out to the treasury and
[01:57:48] then the companies. That's that's the
[01:57:50] stated plan. I happened to be there the
[01:57:52] other day when they were talking about
[01:57:53] it.
[01:57:53] >> So is the plan to take a percentage of
[01:57:55] the Venezuelan oil and just give it to
[01:57:58] America?
[01:57:59] >> Yes.
[01:58:00] >> That is unprecedented.
[01:58:01] >> That's the stated plan. Um, I'm not an
[01:58:04] expert. I'm not, you know, an energy
[01:58:06] person. I'm interested, but I'm not an
[01:58:07] expert. I don't speak Spanish. Like,
[01:58:08] there's a live a lot of ignorance. Um,
[01:58:11] and and of course, I can't see the
[01:58:12] future, but yes, that's the state of
[01:58:13] plan. That's what Trump said to I was
[01:58:17] having lunch with Trump and he's like,
[01:58:18] "Oh, come to the oil meeting." And like,
[01:58:20] I don't, you know, it's not my world.
[01:58:22] So, I was like, "Okay." So, I go up
[01:58:23] there and all these heads of the big oil
[01:58:25] companies, including Exxon, they didn't
[01:58:26] seem too enthusiastic about it, but
[01:58:27] we'll see. And I just happen to be
[01:58:30] sitting in the room totally by accident.
[01:58:32] I mean literally by accident because
[01:58:33] he's asked me to come and he's like he's
[01:58:37] telling him he's like no no no this is
[01:58:39] for our country and you'll get a cut
[01:58:42] that I will decide. You know I can just
[01:58:45] tell you what I saw. So this a that's
[01:58:47] not how it it should work right because
[01:58:50] when you say to a different country
[01:58:52] we're going to come and we're going to
[01:58:54] take your natural resources and we're
[01:58:56] just going to take a certain amount for
[01:58:57] us. period. Sad day for you. What'll
[01:59:00] happen is an insurgency. Um people will
[01:59:02] be mad about that.
[01:59:03] >> Well, that's the concern. I mean, and
[01:59:05] the other point that he made, again, I
[01:59:07] don't know where this is going. I am
[01:59:08] literally praying for stability in
[01:59:11] Venezuela and around the world. I hate
[01:59:12] the chaos. I hate the chaos in Israel
[01:59:15] unleashes so much. We unleash so much.
[01:59:16] It's just the worst thing that we do.
[01:59:18] But, uh, the idea is that they have
[01:59:23] cash, big-time cash shortages. You have
[01:59:25] to pay the military. You have to pay the
[01:59:26] government workers. you have to make
[01:59:28] sure inflation doesn't get out of
[01:59:29] control, the currency doesn't collapse,
[01:59:30] etc., etc., and that oil profits will go
[01:59:34] to Venezuela. This is the stated aim uh
[01:59:37] to keep the country from falling apart
[01:59:39] and to prevent insurgencies, which
[01:59:40] they're afraid of cuz then like how is
[01:59:42] that a win?
[01:59:43] >> Yeah. So, I to say that I'm enormously
[01:59:46] skeptical of I get it. I get it.
[01:59:48] >> And so, you know, in Iraq, we didn't get
[01:59:50] any of the oil companies got it and it
[01:59:52] didn't help us at all.
[01:59:53] >> Trump's been mad about it ever since. We
[01:59:55] call the a lot of the Latin American
[01:59:57] countries banana republics. Why we did
[01:59:59] coups on behalf of banana companies.
[02:00:01] It's not their fault. It's our fault.
[02:00:02] Our banana. Did we get the bananas? No.
[02:00:04] >> Dole got the bananas. They sold them at
[02:00:07] a at a the same exact price. They just
[02:00:09] had a higher profit margin. We literally
[02:00:12] attack countries for Hallebertton's
[02:00:14] profit for Dole the company's profits.
[02:00:17] So who is we? Who is the American
[02:00:19] people? Right. And and when do we ever
[02:00:22] get represented? I could not I you know
[02:00:24] I vehemently agree um and the space
[02:00:28] between intent and reality is often very
[02:00:30] wide so you don't you know you don't
[02:00:32] know what's going to happen but it's I
[02:00:35] the only thing that I learned and I was
[02:00:37] didn't go to Washington um to talk about
[02:00:40] Venezuela but I just happened to see
[02:00:42] this main thing that I learned is what's
[02:00:46] being described is a brand new brand new
[02:00:49] system and whether that'll happen you
[02:00:51] know a lot of powerful forces don't want
[02:00:52] it to happen. But that's what is being
[02:00:54] described is a totally new arrangement.
[02:00:56] We'll see.
[02:00:57] >> Yeah. So, look, my sense of it is when
[02:00:59] you go and you attack other countries,
[02:01:02] our military is amazing. Uh, best in the
[02:01:04] world, best that's ever been created,
[02:01:06] right? So, that was an amazing mission
[02:01:08] that they did in Venezuela and an
[02:01:09] amazing one they did in Iran. But, uh,
[02:01:11] you do three or four of those and you're
[02:01:13] going to get burned because it's just a
[02:01:15] matter of chances.
[02:01:16] >> I I think that's I think that's right.
[02:01:17] And, um, yeah, it's just rolling. It's
[02:01:19] just rolling. Nice. No, I I agree with
[02:01:21] everything that you said and just in
[02:01:23] general, it's good to know your limits.
[02:01:26] I think humility is important. I think
[02:01:28] you can really get hurt. I've gotten
[02:01:30] hurt in my life because I imagined I had
[02:01:31] powers I didn't have. Like I think it's
[02:01:33] a very male thing. I could do that.
[02:01:35] >> Yeah. And so guys, I just want the
[02:01:37] audience that know once we lose some
[02:01:39] men, right? Like I don't know where it's
[02:01:42] going to happen. I don't know if it's in
[02:01:43] Venezuela, Iran, or somewhere else,
[02:01:45] >> but somebody's gonna get shot down.
[02:01:46] we're going to lose 12, 13 guys,
[02:01:48] whatever is going to happen, right?
[02:01:50] Let's, you know,
[02:01:53] don't panic. Don't let them sheep herd
[02:01:55] you into saying, "Well, that means we
[02:01:57] got to put more troops in."
[02:01:59] >> I agree with that.
[02:02:00] >> Right. Now we got to get revenge. So
[02:02:02] then, oh my, now we lost 100 guys. Now
[02:02:04] we got to dig in even more and more and
[02:02:06] more. I saw that. You know, whether it's
[02:02:08] Exile Mobile or Israel or whoever is
[02:02:10] profiting off of it. I could not agree
[02:02:12] more because you open yourself up to
[02:02:13] manipulation and false flags and we've
[02:02:15] seen many many false flags. I would say
[02:02:18] there are a bunch of things about the
[02:02:19] Reagan record I would not defend. I
[02:02:21] don't think anyone should defend. But in
[02:02:23] 19 October of ' 83 we had this horrible
[02:02:24] barracks bombing. The Marine barracks
[02:02:26] killed over 200 men, Marines, horrible,
[02:02:30] truly horrible bombing. And Reagan did
[02:02:33] not invade Lebanon.
[02:02:36] You know, it happened in Beirut. He did
[02:02:38] not invade. I mean that and people were
[02:02:40] really on him like you can't you're
[02:02:42] going to let those murders go unavvenged
[02:02:44] and he said I don't think it's wise. He
[02:02:47] wasn't always wise but in this case I
[02:02:49] think he was wise. He didn't invade
[02:02:50] Beirut. We could have
[02:02:52] >> you know I voted the last I used to be
[02:02:54] Republican growing up and the last
[02:02:56] Republican I voted for was George HW
[02:02:59] Bush. And so why did I vote for him?
[02:03:02] Because he uh I thought he did something
[02:03:06] very principled. He said, "Look, Iraq
[02:03:08] invaded Kuwait." Yeah. And we can't have
[02:03:10] that. They're an ally and they're a
[02:03:12] sovereign country and if sovereign
[02:03:14] countries attack one another, there'll
[02:03:16] be no end to it. Right.
[02:03:17] >> Okay. So then they said, "Okay." And I
[02:03:20] like that. I like the first Persian Gulf
[02:03:21] War. I in fact at college I did a
[02:03:24] pro-war rally. Okay.
[02:03:26] >> Actually,
[02:03:26] >> actually at Penn. Yes. I was on I got on
[02:03:29] Fox for it and uh debated a anti-war uh
[02:03:33] guy in Philadelphia over Okay. So,
[02:03:37] >> is that tape available?
[02:03:38] >> Yeah, it's it's the my first TV
[02:03:40] appearance.
[02:03:41] >> What year was that?
[02:03:42] >> Uh, that must have been 9192.
[02:03:44] >> Yeah, in that moment. Amazing.
[02:03:46] >> Yeah. And so, look, I I don't think I do
[02:03:48] a pro-war rally today.
[02:03:50] >> Probably not.
[02:03:50] >> Right. And and people change. And that's
[02:03:53] >> We've also had an awful lot of war,
[02:03:54] right?
[02:03:55] >> We've had an awful lot of war from 1991
[02:03:57] or two to present. I don't know how many
[02:03:58] wars in 35 years. We've had a lot of
[02:04:00] wars.
[02:04:01] >> Yeah. And at that point, we didn't. We
[02:04:02] left Vietnam in 1975
[02:04:05] and you know we Grenada but we didn't
[02:04:08] really have a lot of wars between
[02:04:10] Vietnam and Right. So is it people had a
[02:04:12] different memory.
[02:04:13] >> Yeah. And so first of all you know one
[02:04:15] of the things that we emphasize on Young
[02:04:16] Turks is uh
[02:04:18] >> open hearts open minds.
[02:04:19] >> Amen.
[02:04:20] >> And so and I one of the things I tell
[02:04:21] the audience is if I didn't believe in
[02:04:23] open minds I would have stayed a
[02:04:24] Republican. So right so so you got to
[02:04:28] have you got to be thinking you got to
[02:04:29] be looking at new evidence data. So in
[02:04:31] that case it was actually not a bad war.
[02:04:33] I mean wars are always terrible but the
[02:04:35] Persian Gulf War we go in it's very
[02:04:36] limited. We free Kuwait and we get the
[02:04:38] hell out. And the decision I like the
[02:04:40] most was
[02:04:42] he did not go into Iraq at the time.
[02:04:45] Israel and others are going go in Iraq.
[02:04:47] Go in Iraq.
[02:04:48] >> They were mad that we didn't go.
[02:04:49] >> Yeah. And the guy who held the line was
[02:04:51] Dick Cheney of all people. He was the
[02:04:53] secretary of defense. And he said no it
[02:04:56] makes no strategic sense for America to
[02:04:58] go into Iraq. what are we going to do
[02:05:00] with it? Right? And that was really
[02:05:02] precient and right. And it's amazing
[02:05:05] what happens to people. And I don't know
[02:05:07] what happened to Dick Cheney. But he
[02:05:09] then turns around, you know, just some
[02:05:11] small amount of time later working for
[02:05:13] George W. Bush and he says, "We got to
[02:05:15] go into Iraq. We got to go into Iraq."
[02:05:17] And then, of course, Hallebertton makes
[02:05:19] a tremendous profit. Israel is super
[02:05:21] happy. All the defense contractors are
[02:05:24] super happy. We think that Iraq was a
[02:05:26] waste. We lost trillions of dollars. We
[02:05:29] lost thousands of men, Americans that
[02:05:31] died on foreign soil
[02:05:32] >> or were destroyed, you know, for the
[02:05:34] rest of their lives. Yeah.
[02:05:35] >> I mean, you must know some. I I do.
[02:05:37] >> Absolutely.
[02:05:39] >> But it wasn't a loss for the donor
[02:05:41] class. For the donor class, they won.
[02:05:43] They won spectacularly. Defense
[02:05:45] contractors, oil companies, the
[02:05:47] speculators on Wall Street, they all
[02:05:49] literally made a killing, right? And at
[02:05:51] the time, Israel was saying, "That's our
[02:05:53] number one enemy. You have to attack
[02:05:56] Iraq." So, it's the whole puzzle. It's
[02:05:58] not just one thing. It's
[02:05:59] >> And there's another piece to it, which
[02:06:01] is there's no power like the power to
[02:06:02] end human life. There's a thrill that
[02:06:04] people derive
[02:06:06] uh in being able to extinguish another
[02:06:08] person's life because it it's a god-like
[02:06:10] power, you know, and I' I've certainly
[02:06:12] seen it a lot, you know, and people just
[02:06:14] like not cuz they're evil or cuz they
[02:06:17] hate and but they're just like, "Oh my
[02:06:18] gosh, I'm so powerful. It's
[02:06:20] unbelievable. I can literally kill
[02:06:22] someone and it's allowed." Boy, that is
[02:06:27] addictive. And the more you do it, the
[02:06:29] more you like it.
[02:06:30] >> Yeah, I'm worried about it. And so,
[02:06:32] look, back to hope. Uh, so back then,
[02:06:34] the media was terrible. And 69% of
[02:06:37] Americans thought that Saddam Hussein
[02:06:39] had personally attacked us on 911. Man,
[02:06:43] >> now if I thought Saddam attacked us on
[02:06:45] 911.
[02:06:46] >> Yeah.
[02:06:46] >> Yeah. If I thought that, I would be for
[02:06:49] attacking Iraq. I mean, attacking us on
[02:06:51] 911 was terrible, right? We we need to
[02:06:54] make sure that that never happens again.
[02:06:55] There needs to be consequences.
[02:06:57] >> Is that true? 69% of Americans thought
[02:06:59] that.
[02:06:59] >> Yes.
[02:07:00] >> At the time of the invasion, seven out
[02:07:02] of 10. Why? Cuz mainstream media
[02:07:05] systematically lied to them. They
[02:07:08] implicitly lied. They would have Dick
[02:07:10] Cheney come on and say Iraq is from the
[02:07:12] same general region as Al Qaeda. Now
[02:07:16] wait a minute. If you were a journalist,
[02:07:17] you would say, "But sir, Iraq is opposed
[02:07:20] to Al Qaeda. They execute al Qaeda on
[02:07:23] the spot, right? But they didn't say
[02:07:26] that. Meet the Press, Tim Russer, didn't
[02:07:29] say it when Dick Cheney said that.
[02:07:30] >> No. I interviewed Cheney during that
[02:07:32] period, too. I'm embarrassed to say he
[02:07:33] probably said it to me. I don't even
[02:07:34] remember. But that's so bad. Well,
[02:07:36] >> the two main things they kept saying,
[02:07:38] Tucker, and and Young Turks is so old.
[02:07:40] We were on the air at the time online.
[02:07:42] Okay. And no, in that case, the radio.
[02:07:44] Okay. And so we're only two shows
[02:07:46] against Iraq war, Young Turks and
[02:07:47] Democracy Now. Okay. And so we're that
[02:07:50] we're national and we're going, "No,
[02:07:52] they didn't attack us." And everybody in
[02:07:55] med media is like, "Shut up. Shut up.
[02:07:57] Unpatriotic unpatriot. Support the
[02:07:59] troops." I'm like, "Yeah, I support the
[02:08:00] troops. I don't want them to die." And
[02:08:02] for no reason when they didn't attack
[02:08:04] us. And the second thing was weapons of
[02:08:06] mass destruction.
[02:08:07] >> And where do we get the fake
[02:08:08] intelligence on weapons of mass
[02:08:10] destruction?
[02:08:11] >> Israel.
[02:08:12] >> Yep. As laundered through the New York
[02:08:13] Times.
[02:08:14] >> As laundered through the New York Times.
[02:08:16] >> So now wait, where's the hope? Now look
[02:08:18] at the media. Now CNN, MSNBC, we just
[02:08:21] had a conversation 10 minutes ago about
[02:08:22] how they're becoming irrelevant.
[02:08:23] >> Yeah, who cares,
[02:08:24] >> right? They went from the gods of the
[02:08:26] universe, right, getting to set the
[02:08:28] narrative and you want an Iraq war,
[02:08:31] we're going to give you an Iraq war,
[02:08:32] right? You want subsidies, we're giving
[02:08:34] you subsidies. You want to end
[02:08:36] negotiating prices, we're going to end
[02:08:38] negotiation of prices. And we're not
[02:08:40] going to say any No one's allowed to say
[02:08:41] that's anti- capitalist, anti-ree
[02:08:43] market, no one's allowed to say anything
[02:08:44] outside of these tight rules. How do you
[02:08:47] know that? Well, I said things outside
[02:08:48] of those tight rules and they said, "You
[02:08:50] got to go." Right. And they do that.
[02:08:52] They did it to Dylan Ratigan. They did
[02:08:53] it to you. They do it to everyone. But
[02:08:55] now the podcasts have swarm them.
[02:08:58] >> Yeah.
[02:08:58] >> Now we're larger than them. So now that
[02:09:00] we're larger than them, the dynamic has
[02:09:03] changed. So the left and the right
[02:09:06] didn't abandon Israel for good cause,
[02:09:08] excellent cause. They didn't abandon
[02:09:10] them for no reason. They abandoned them
[02:09:12] because mainstream media does not
[02:09:13] dominate anymore. If there were no
[02:09:16] online media,
[02:09:18] nobody would have heard about any of the
[02:09:20] terrible things they did.
[02:09:21] >> None of it. None of it.
[02:09:22] >> So, here I'll give you one fact that's
[02:09:23] startling. You know, we can talk about
[02:09:24] the incredible amount of deaths and the
[02:09:26] children who died and they killed more
[02:09:28] journalists than the rest of the
[02:09:30] conflicts in the world combined.
[02:09:32] >> Hundreds of journalists,
[02:09:33] >> over 250 journalists, okay, some of them
[02:09:36] assassinated, including American
[02:09:38] journalists.
[02:09:38] >> Oh, I know.
[02:09:39] >> This was pre October 20 October 7th.
[02:09:42] Bashin Abuaklay is an American
[02:09:44] journalist.
[02:09:45] >> It was shot with scoped rifles at a
[02:09:47] distance wearing a press. I don't even
[02:09:49] like journalists that much, but that's
[02:09:50] like that's such an atrocity. I can't
[02:09:52] believe it happened.
[02:09:53] >> Yeah, they we know even the New York
[02:09:55] Times and CNN was like, "Yeah, that's an
[02:09:57] assassination. Shot from hundreds of
[02:09:59] yards away. Sniper make sure to get him
[02:10:01] in the neck. Doesn't hit uh the vest. It
[02:10:04] doesn't hit the helmet and kills him."
[02:10:06] Okay. So, Jamaak Kush Kosigible uh when
[02:10:10] he was killed by the Saudis, that became
[02:10:12] an enormous story. Good. Good. I don't
[02:10:14] want anybody chopped up. That's a
[02:10:16] Washington Post columnist. That was
[02:10:18] crazy. And they got condemned and they
[02:10:20] should. Israel assassinates an American
[02:10:22] journalist. They're like, "Who cares?"
[02:10:25] Wait, did the person get arrested? Who
[02:10:27] shot her? Who gave the order? Have we
[02:10:30] asked for extradition of that person?
[02:10:32] >> Nothing. Zero. supposedly American
[02:10:35] commentators like celebrate Rachel Corey
[02:10:37] was some lefty girl gets run over by a
[02:10:40] bulldozer. I don't know that I agree
[02:10:41] with Rachel Cory on much, but she's an
[02:10:43] American I think from like Pennsylvania.
[02:10:45] Yeah, she's a girl and she gets killed
[02:10:47] and Ben Shapiro's like well don't stand
[02:10:49] in front of bulldozers. It's like I
[02:10:51] don't know that's your fellow American.
[02:10:53] Like don't you care that a foreign
[02:10:55] country murdered an American? No, it's
[02:10:57] her fault.
[02:10:58] >> One of the guys who was delivering food
[02:11:01] got killed. I think Jacob Flick
[02:11:03] Flickinger if I'm not mistaken. Again,
[02:11:05] look up his name. But uh no
[02:11:08] consequences. No one arrested. No one
[02:11:10] goes to jail. But but you murdered him.
[02:11:13] You murdered an American. You murdered
[02:11:14] nine Americans. Shouldn't there be
[02:11:15] consequences? But these days now the the
[02:11:18] ultimate fact I was going to get to is
[02:11:21] >> so how do you tell if a group is a
[02:11:23] terrorist organization? They target
[02:11:25] civilians. How do you know they target
[02:11:27] civilians? Because they have a very high
[02:11:29] civilian kill ratio. So, for example,
[02:11:32] Hamas on October 7th, they killed
[02:11:34] civilians and military. They killed
[02:11:36] hundreds of military guys, but they
[02:11:38] killed more civilians. 67% of the people
[02:11:40] they killed were civilians. So,
[02:11:42] terrorist group, clear, obvious.
[02:11:44] >> That's terrorism.
[02:11:45] >> That's terrorism. Okay.
[02:11:47] >> In Gaza, Israel's civilian kill ratio is
[02:11:51] 83%.
[02:11:52] It is worse than Hamas. In fact, it is
[02:11:55] worse than any terrorist organization in
[02:11:58] the world. 83%
[02:12:01] and at scale, tens of thousands,
[02:12:03] potentially hundreds of thousands of
[02:12:05] people killed, 83% civilians. They say,
[02:12:08] "No, you have to apply that label
[02:12:11] unevenly and unfairly. You only apply it
[02:12:15] to our enemies, but if we do worse than
[02:12:17] them, you are not to ever say it." And
[02:12:21] that figure, by the way, comes from the
[02:12:22] Israeli press. The Israeli press is way
[02:12:24] better than the American press.
[02:12:26] >> I've noticed.
[02:12:26] >> Yeah. You know why? because they can't
[02:12:28] call them anti-semmites.
[02:12:29] >> Right. That's totally right.
[02:12:30] >> Right. So, they can't end the career of
[02:12:32] anyone who criticizes Israel because
[02:12:34] they're all Israelis. Right. But here in
[02:12:36] America, if you report the same thing,
[02:12:39] you're going to be called an anti-semite
[02:12:40] and they're going to try to get you
[02:12:42] fired, shut you up, and ruin your life.
[02:12:45] >> Yeah.
[02:12:45] >> So, that is why
[02:12:46] >> not playing along. Sorry.
[02:12:48] >> Exactly. But that's my point about hope.
[02:12:50] No one on TV has ever said what the
[02:12:53] Israeli press has reported that Israel
[02:12:55] has an 83% civilian kill ratio in IDF is
[02:13:00] basically a terrorist organization and
[02:13:02] they have killed 70 times the number of
[02:13:05] people Hamas has killed and they've
[02:13:07] killed more civilians as a percentage.
[02:13:10] But we're forced to fund that terrorist
[02:13:13] organization.
[02:13:14] But no one on TV will ever tell you that
[02:13:17] because if they do, they know that they
[02:13:20] are risking getting fired. And so I
[02:13:22] talked to Ryan Grim from Drop Site News
[02:13:24] about this just a couple of days ago on
[02:13:25] our show. We do Young Turks from 6:00 to
[02:13:28] 8:00 p.m. Eastern every day on YouTube.
[02:13:29] Then at 8:00 p.m. we're doing a show
[02:13:31] called Revolution. Okay? Peaceful,
[02:13:34] nonviolent political revolution. So you
[02:13:37] must take power away from them. If you
[02:13:40] don't take power away from the lobbies,
[02:13:42] then you're forever going to be their
[02:13:44] servants. Right? Now, you could do that
[02:13:46] in dumb ways like violence, but that's
[02:13:48] not going to work and it's immoral. Or
[02:13:50] you could do that through the way that
[02:13:52] our founding fathers designed through
[02:13:54] democracy, right? Take their power away
[02:13:56] at the voting booth. Primaries are
[02:13:59] golden. Go do primaries. And and that's
[02:14:02] why mainstream media hates us. So, but
[02:14:04] Ryan's on and I go, "Hey, Ryan, you guys
[02:14:06] have done these brilliant stories
[02:14:07] connecting Epstein to intelligence.
[02:14:08] There's no question about it. Has anyone
[02:14:10] followed up from mainstream media, New
[02:14:12] York Times, etc.? He's like, "No, no,
[02:14:15] not at all." And he said, "Look, we're
[02:14:17] going through a cache of emails that are
[02:14:19] actually public. They can actually beat
[02:14:21] us to the scoop and I tell our
[02:14:23] competitors, beat us to the scoop, and
[02:14:27] they won't do it. They won't do it." So,
[02:14:28] then we got into a conversation, why
[02:14:30] won't they do it? He said, "Look,
[02:14:32] there's no I totally agree with him.
[02:14:33] There's no grand conspiracy. There's no
[02:14:35] memos written, but every reporter in DC
[02:14:38] knows that if you do a story on Israel,
[02:14:40] even if it's 100% factual, you're
[02:14:43] risking your career. You want your kids
[02:14:45] to get into college, as James Carville
[02:14:46] said. That's exactly right. Well, you
[02:14:47] found out. You want your kids to get
[02:14:49] into high school? No. Can't get into
[02:14:50] high school now. That happened to you.
[02:14:52] >> Yeah.
[02:14:53] >> I've seen very similar things. And so,
[02:14:56] yeah, that's intolerable. I, you know, I
[02:14:59] have a pretty high tolerance for, you
[02:15:01] know, a corrupt ruling class. I think
[02:15:03] every ruling class is corrupt to some
[02:15:05] extent. But I have zero tolerance for
[02:15:09] humiliation, unnecessary humiliation and
[02:15:11] for cruelty to people's families. Zero
[02:15:14] tolerance. Just never accept that. And
[02:15:16] uh that's what's happening now. And
[02:15:18] cruelty to the families is really and
[02:15:20] you shouldn't be surprised. Look what
[02:15:21] look what they're they're murdering all
[02:15:22] these kids in Gaza. You think they you
[02:15:24] know have different attitudes. Not
[02:15:26] American attitudes at all. So the naivee
[02:15:29] is something we were also taught by
[02:15:32] mainstream media, right? Oh, the what
[02:15:34] the government says is true and if the
[02:15:36] if you
[02:15:38] >> disagree with what the government says,
[02:15:39] you're a conspiracy theorist. Wait, a
[02:15:43] that presupposes that the government
[02:15:45] never lies.
[02:15:47] Not just the US government. No
[02:15:48] government ever lies. Israel never lies.
[02:15:50] Turkey never lies. Nobody ever lies.
[02:15:52] Okay? That has not been my experience.
[02:15:55] >> No.
[02:15:55] >> Okay.
[02:15:56] >> Nor mine.
[02:15:56] >> Right. Number two, they say um if you
[02:16:00] say the government is lying, you're a
[02:16:03] wacko,
[02:16:04] >> you're crazy, you're immoral,
[02:16:07] >> and you should be banned for media. You
[02:16:09] should be cancelled, right? So that way
[02:16:12] there's no voices to oppose the
[02:16:14] government inside of media and press and
[02:16:17] journal,
[02:16:18] >> but as they oppress the population. So
[02:16:19] like you go, I've been to a million
[02:16:21] monarchies in my life and some of them
[02:16:22] are wellrun and others are not. But in
[02:16:24] the well-run ones, you can say, "Well,
[02:16:25] there's no freedom. You cannot criticize
[02:16:26] the king. Okay,
[02:16:29] but which I'm opposed to. I'm American.
[02:16:31] I have a totally different frame.
[02:16:32] However, if the country is wellrun and
[02:16:33] the people are prosperous and happy and
[02:16:35] they're think that their children have
[02:16:37] better lives than they do, at least you
[02:16:38] could say, "Well, they're doing a good
[02:16:39] job for the people here." But if you run
[02:16:41] a government that systematically
[02:16:43] oppresses the people so thoroughly that
[02:16:46] their life expectancy drops and then you
[02:16:49] say, "You're not allowed to say a word
[02:16:50] about my leadership."
[02:16:53] that can't stand like that doesn't have
[02:16:56] a long lifespan. That's too much. Like
[02:16:58] nobody can can handle that, right?
[02:17:00] >> And that's where we are.
[02:17:01] >> Oh, I know.
[02:17:02] >> And so that's why now when the
[02:17:04] podcasters, and it's not just you and
[02:17:05] me, right? You got Tim Dylan and Theo
[02:17:08] Vaughn and everyone is now speaking up
[02:17:10] and saying, "No, enough." Uh, so
[02:17:13] >> no,
[02:17:13] >> no. And so I noticed the Americans they
[02:17:16] killed. I noticed the 20,000 kids they
[02:17:18] killed. I noticed all the civilians they
[02:17:20] killed. And I noticed the night that the
[02:17:22] Congress that they bought and I noticed
[02:17:24] that the media is in their pockets. I
[02:17:26] you know the Congress is obvious. They
[02:17:28] literally get paid to support Israel. Uh
[02:17:31] let alone whatever you know other
[02:17:33] interesting you know material they might
[02:17:35] have from Epste or whoever else, right?
[02:17:38] Uh and um and now I see the media. So
[02:17:42] now I see this is an awesome
[02:17:44] development, Tucker. not just saying,
[02:17:46] "Hey, I'm done with Israel or I'm done
[02:17:48] with money and politics." And that's my
[02:17:50] number one issue. Israel is just a
[02:17:52] symbol. Money and politics is the
[02:17:54] cancer. That's that's why we lost our
[02:17:57] democracy. That's why we lost control of
[02:17:59] our government because they're just
[02:18:00] working for the people bribing them.
[02:18:02] It's super obvious
[02:18:03] >> that Israel is a symptom. It's not the
[02:18:04] cause of all this stuff.
[02:18:05] >> Exactly. So, but on top layered on top
[02:18:09] of all that, the thing that gives me the
[02:18:10] greatest hope is that people are
[02:18:12] beginning to see the illusion. Oh,
[02:18:15] they're getting us to fight one another.
[02:18:17] Okay. What are the culture wars? What is
[02:18:19] identity politics? So, as a lot of the
[02:18:21] left was doing identity politics, we're
[02:18:23] a lone voice, The Young Perks. Very much
[02:18:26] in favor of Bernie. Very, as left as it
[02:18:28] gets on and the biggest show on the left
[02:18:29] for a long, long time. Right. But we're
[02:18:32] saying don't do identity politics.
[02:18:33] Exactly. Okay. Why? Because identity
[02:18:36] politics splits us apart.
[02:18:38] >> Exactly.
[02:18:38] >> Okay. So, now you've you've got to get
[02:18:41] past that. And people are beginning to
[02:18:43] get past It's conflicts that can't be
[02:18:45] resolved. Like you and I are mad at each
[02:18:47] other. Our kids are mad at each other.
[02:18:48] Our grandkids are mad at each other.
[02:18:49] Like these are not fixable problems. If
[02:18:51] you have tribal conflict, it can endure
[02:18:53] for centuries or longer. Can I say one
[02:18:56] thing I think is super important is that
[02:18:59] you can't allow people to force you to
[02:19:02] lie ever. And you will lie, you know, uh
[02:19:07] uh inevitably. And you will say things
[02:19:09] that are wrong unintentionally. I've
[02:19:11] done both. But allowing somebody to
[02:19:14] force you to say something you know is
[02:19:16] not true destroys you as a person. And I
[02:19:19] look at I mean I could name many people
[02:19:20] but Mike Huckabe I've known for over 30
[02:19:22] years almost 35 years cuz I worked in
[02:19:24] Arkansas at the newspaper and he's a
[02:19:26] completely different person completely.
[02:19:28] That's a broken man. And I say that with
[02:19:31] heartfelt compassion. That's a guy who's
[02:19:33] allowed other people to steal his
[02:19:36] integrity and force him to lie and you
[02:19:38] become a husk. And no man can live like
[02:19:41] that. Like it's a it's a 1984 Winston
[02:19:43] Smith thing. Like once you say 2 plus 2
[02:19:45] equals 5, you're broken inside. Like
[02:19:47] don't allow people to force you to lie.
[02:19:50] >> And
[02:19:50] >> just need to say that.
[02:19:51] >> Yeah. Gaslighting is almost a industrial
[02:19:55] version of torture. Like
[02:19:57] >> it is. It's totally is. It's your
[02:19:59] dignity from you.
[02:20:00] >> Yeah. So on the left you got Federman
[02:20:02] and Richie Torres that are like that. On
[02:20:04] the right you got Huckabe and Lindsey
[02:20:06] Graham and Ted Cruz. And notice, huh?
[02:20:09] They told us to fight each other, but
[02:20:11] they seem to agree an awful lot.
[02:20:12] >> Well, these are not happy people either.
[02:20:13] They paid a huge cost. Like, so they all
[02:20:15] think they're getting something out of
[02:20:16] this and whatever they think they're
[02:20:18] getting. I can't even imagine, but or
[02:20:19] they're afraid of threats or whatever.
[02:20:22] But in the end, they lose. When you
[02:20:24] allow other people to treat you like a
[02:20:26] slave and to repeat their lies, you are
[02:20:29] destroyed and you have to live with that
[02:20:30] for the rest of your life. Don't ever
[02:20:32] take that deal.
[02:20:32] >> Doctor, let me give you one more analogy
[02:20:34] that clarifies that.
[02:20:35] >> Yes. So, it's like a a movie where they
[02:20:39] tell you, uh, hey, you know what? Your
[02:20:41] your wife came in, uh, with this baby
[02:20:44] that she found and it's a victim and you
[02:20:47] guys are going to adopt it and she's so
[02:20:50] goldenhearted and she brought the kid
[02:20:51] home and you go, "Okay, great. Let me
[02:20:54] see the kid." And a guy walks in and
[02:20:55] goes, "Here, first I got to give you
[02:20:56] some glasses." Okay. And he gives you
[02:20:58] glasses and you put them on and you go,
[02:21:00] "Oh my god, what a cute kid."
[02:21:01] >> I have no idea where this analogy is
[02:21:02] going, but I love it.
[02:21:03] >> Okay. Yeah. I'm totally wrapped up in
[02:21:05] it. Okay.
[02:21:05] >> Yeah. So, and your and your wife is
[02:21:08] nursing the kid and feeding it, etc. And
[02:21:11] then one day you go, I wonder what
[02:21:12] things look like without the glasses.
[02:21:15] And the guy who gave you the glasses
[02:21:16] goes, "No, no, no, no. Don't take the
[02:21:17] glasses off. Don't take the glasses
[02:21:19] off." Now you're like, "Wait a minute.
[02:21:22] I really want to take the glasses off."
[02:21:24] Right? And you take the glasses off and
[02:21:26] you find out the glasses were the
[02:21:28] illusion. It's not a baby. It's a grown
[02:21:30] man
[02:21:31] >> and he's been inside your house the
[02:21:33] whole time
[02:21:33] >> chewing on your wife
[02:21:34] >> cuddling with your wife
[02:21:37] >> taking your money. He's got like a
[02:21:40] almost a half shirt on. Big belly, you
[02:21:42] know, hairy guy. He's sitting on your
[02:21:45] couch with your wife suckling.
[02:21:47] >> Suckling. It turns out the glasses were
[02:21:50] the thing that made you see it wrong. It
[02:21:52] made it seem like it was an innocent
[02:21:55] victim, a little baby you were taking
[02:21:57] care of. Now you find out you got a
[02:21:59] grown man inside your house
[02:22:02] pawn on your wife and draining your
[02:22:04] checking account. Now the question is
[02:22:06] who are you most mad at? Okay, I'm the
[02:22:09] least mad at the guy first though. The
[02:22:11] the first action I'm going to take even
[02:22:13] though I'm least mad at him is you got
[02:22:15] to leave. You got to leave the house
[02:22:17] right now. Otherwise something terrible.
[02:22:19] >> The manchild.
[02:22:20] >> Yes. Second on your wife. Okay. Yeah. I
[02:22:22] totally agree with that.
[02:22:23] >> Okay. First step is get the out of
[02:22:26] my house. Okay.
[02:22:29] Second guy I'm mad at is the guy who
[02:22:31] gave me the glasses.
[02:22:33] >> Yeah.
[02:22:33] >> What the You made it seem like it
[02:22:35] was an innocent victim and I was being a
[02:22:37] good guy by helping this entity. Okay.
[02:22:40] And now I find out no, it was just
[02:22:43] someone taking advantage of me.
[02:22:44] >> Yes.
[02:22:45] >> And taking the person who was supposed
[02:22:47] to be closest to me that was supposed to
[02:22:49] have trust with me.
[02:22:50] >> Yes.
[02:22:51] >> And taking all my money. And you played
[02:22:54] me for a fool. I hate the guy
[02:22:57] with the glasses, right? But the person
[02:23:00] I'm most upset is the betrayer.
[02:23:02] >> Is the betrayer, the wife in that case.
[02:23:04] It's an uncomfortable analogy. You could
[02:23:06] switch it to husband and wife. That's
[02:23:08] not the point.
[02:23:09] >> The point is, yes, if you don't get it
[02:23:11] by now, whether it's Israel or any
[02:23:14] really lobby, any donor class. That's
[02:23:16] the baby. The guy with the glasses is
[02:23:18] the media saying, "Oh no, these poor
[02:23:21] little oil companies. They need your
[02:23:23] money. Look at it. It's a victim.
[02:23:26] Otherwise, they can't drill for oil.
[02:23:28] These drug companies, they've only made
[02:23:30] trillions. You can't let them negotiate
[02:23:32] prices, right? Or it's Israel. Oh, it's
[02:23:36] an innocent victim of all the nasty
[02:23:38] Muslims and terrorists around them. And
[02:23:40] then you look at the map. Wait a minute.
[02:23:42] Israel's gained all this territory. And
[02:23:44] they've done it by taking 300 billion
[02:23:46] from us. But most importantly, the wife
[02:23:50] is the politicians.
[02:23:51] >> Yes. and they're supposed to represent
[02:23:53] us and they have betrayed us. Okay? And
[02:23:57] I can't stand it. I can't stand it.
[02:24:00] >> It's time for a divorce.
[02:24:01] >> It's time for a divorce. So, everyone's
[02:24:03] got to get out of the house. First, the
[02:24:05] hairy guy. You got to go, okay?
[02:24:08] Otherwise, we're going to have trouble.
[02:24:09] Then, the guy with the glasses and then
[02:24:11] finally the wife. Everybody's got to go.
[02:24:13] We're going to get a fresh new start.
[02:24:15] Operationconsequences.com.
[02:24:17] Okay. I can't I literally could do this
[02:24:20] interview for 10 hours and never improve
[02:24:22] on that analogy. So, I want to end with
[02:24:24] that. That was amazing. Oh, that was uh
[02:24:27] I'll wake up thinking about that in a
[02:24:28] cold sweat.
[02:24:31] Thank you. That was amazing.
[02:24:33] >> Thank you, Tucker. I appreciate you.
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