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[00:00:00] Hi, Charlie. Yeah, you gonna have to [00:00:02] lower that one for me. [00:00:03] >> What's your name again? [00:00:04] >> Thank you. Naima, how are you? [00:00:05] >> Na, it's been a while. [00:00:06] >> It's been a minute. How have you been? [00:00:09] >> Great. [00:00:09] >> That's fantastic. You did do that. I [00:00:13] mean, you didn't, but Trump did. Yeah, [00:00:14] >> the collective we. Yeah. [00:00:16] >> Yes. The collective we. So, speaking of [00:00:18] Trump, I do want to talk a little bit [00:00:19] about his policy on DEI. As you know, in [00:00:21] his first weeks in office, he signed the [00:00:24] executive order declaring that DEI is [00:00:26] both unlawful and a threaten to national [00:00:29] unity. And I just kind of want to ask [00:00:31] you to elaborate on why DEI is unlawful. [00:00:35] >> Well, based on the Civil Rights Act, [00:00:38] which I have disagreements with, but [00:00:39] based on the Civil Rights Act, which is [00:00:40] the law of the land, it says you shall [00:00:42] not discriminate based on color, race, [00:00:44] creed, or origin of nationality. Yes. [00:00:47] And DEI definitionally does those [00:00:49] things. How does it definitionally do [00:00:51] those things? [00:00:51] >> So, for example, if you say you are [00:00:53] going to hire a certain amount of people [00:00:55] or have scholarships only for a certain [00:00:57] people, you are then um prejudicing [00:01:00] against another group. [00:01:01] >> Which group are you prejudicing against? [00:01:03] >> So, white people, Asians, Asians as [00:01:05] well. I mean, white people are an easy [00:01:06] one off the top of your head. So, for [00:01:08] example, in the Harvard admissions case, [00:01:10] I said this earlier, the average test [00:01:12] score for a black individual was around [00:01:14] 1300 SAT, about 3.2 GPA. For a white or [00:01:18] Asian, it would be about a 3.9 to four [00:01:20] GPA and about nearly a perfect SAT. So, [00:01:23] you are disenfranchising and [00:01:25] stereotyping and prejudicing against [00:01:26] whites or Asians in favor of blacks. [00:01:29] >> You're not prejudicing against whites or [00:01:30] Asians, though, because DEI is not on a [00:01:32] race basis. DEI stands for diversity, [00:01:35] equity, and inclusion of all people. [00:01:38] Affirmative action is what is intended [00:01:40] to address racial inequality, but DEI [00:01:43] isn't on the basis of race. Well, so DEI [00:01:46] DEI is a project of the affirmative [00:01:48] action movement. So one comes before the [00:01:50] other. He signed an executive order [00:01:52] against both. For the record, so I [00:01:53] wasn't sure which one you were talking [00:01:54] about. [00:01:55] >> I'm talking about DEI. [00:01:56] >> So DEI, it depends what we mean in [00:01:58] practice. So I can give you one example. [00:02:00] Um there are black only graduation [00:02:03] ceremonies at certain schools or black [00:02:05] only dormitories. [00:02:06] >> But those are kind of studentled. I I'm [00:02:08] part of a black and it's run by [00:02:11] students. It's not fair the school. [00:02:13] >> Let's play it out. So if there is a [00:02:15] black only let's say let's pretend which [00:02:17] it's not that building is black only. If [00:02:20] I said that if that building was black [00:02:22] the campus I said let's pretend it's not [00:02:24] hypothetically yes hypothetically if [00:02:25] that building was white only you would [00:02:27] agree that's a violation of the civil [00:02:28] rights act. [00:02:29] >> Yes but there are no buildings on campus [00:02:31] that are black only and white only. And [00:02:32] by the way but there are on other [00:02:33] campuses. [00:02:34] >> No but in those dormitories that are [00:02:36] like culturally specific. You don't have [00:02:39] to be that culture to live there. [00:02:40] They're not going to not allow you to be [00:02:43] black to live in a black dormatory. [00:02:44] >> You would be at Stanford. White people [00:02:47] do live at Ujima. That's not [00:02:49] >> I don't know about that specific [00:02:50] example, but if it says black only [00:02:51] dormatory, [00:02:52] >> but it doesn't say black only. [00:02:54] >> But okay, how about this? How about if [00:02:55] we had But it it does. [00:02:56] >> It doesn't. Where where does it say [00:02:58] that? [00:02:58] >> Just to be clear. Well, in the in the [00:03:00] title, but let's pretend it says black. [00:03:01] >> Where? Like what school? Where does it [00:03:03] say black building? Eastern Washington [00:03:06] University. Portland State University. [00:03:08] Just off top of my head, San Jose State [00:03:09] University. They say black only [00:03:10] dormatory. And if a white person were to [00:03:13] apply to live, [00:03:13] >> it's a it's a black affinity cultural [00:03:15] space of which only black individuals [00:03:17] are accepted and governed for black [00:03:19] individuals. But can can we have white [00:03:21] affinity cultural spaces? [00:03:22] >> You can have a white affinity cultural [00:03:24] space. The activity is the issue is that [00:03:28] only it's not black only. It's a black [00:03:30] affinity cultural space. But anyone is [00:03:32] invited if they would like to [00:03:34] participate. [00:03:36] I I would first of all I [00:03:38] >> you cannot legislatively [00:03:40] allow someone of any race to participate [00:03:42] in something that doesn't exist. [00:03:44] >> We agree that's that's the spirit of the [00:03:45] diversity, equity, inclusion order is [00:03:48] that DEI in practice again we have to go [00:03:51] through example after example is [00:03:53] discrimination, prejudice and [00:03:55] segregation. [00:03:55] >> Let's talk about DEI in practice. Let's [00:03:57] talk about DEI programs in the workforce [00:03:58] because DEI programs in the workforce [00:04:00] happen to benefit veterans. They benefit [00:04:02] people with disabilities. They benefit [00:04:04] people at an economic desperate. They [00:04:07] benefit lots of people that is not just [00:04:08] on the basis of race. And to me, it [00:04:10] feels like you're conflating DEI with [00:04:13] pro blackness or black only. It's not [00:04:15] the definition of DEI. [00:04:17] >> So, let's take a highprofile DEI [00:04:19] example. Is that cool? Just maybe one we [00:04:21] can play around with. Okay. [00:04:22] >> Which I got got me in a lot of viral [00:04:24] trouble, which I don't care. Which is [00:04:25] pilots. [00:04:26] >> I got in a lot of viral trouble, too. I [00:04:28] was debating this guy, you know. [00:04:30] >> Man, he kept interrupting you. Um, he [00:04:32] did. I know, right? Which is this, which [00:04:34] is that um [00:04:37] >> let's say DEI, [00:04:39] a project of DEI at United Airlines was [00:04:42] that we want to get 40% of our pilots to [00:04:45] be black or or women of color or or [00:04:47] women or people of color. [00:04:48] >> 40%. [00:04:50] >> 50, I'm sorry, to get up to 50. It was [00:04:52] at like 6%. So therefore, they wanted to [00:04:54] make a push towards that and it was [00:04:57] currently at 6%. We look at that and we [00:04:59] say, "Wow, you're going to have to lower [00:05:01] standards to get to that goal." [00:05:02] >> Why would you have to lower standards? [00:05:04] Well, [00:05:05] >> are you saying that black people are [00:05:06] inherently inferior? [00:05:07] >> I'm saying the opposite. I'm saying that [00:05:09] a black people are only 13% of the [00:05:11] population. So, you want 13% of the [00:05:13] population. [00:05:13] >> Women are not 13% of the population. [00:05:15] Women are 50% of the population. [00:05:16] >> But but but women do not make up a [00:05:18] majority of people that want to become [00:05:19] pilots. In fact, vast majority of women [00:05:21] don't want to be pilots. Maybe they [00:05:22] would want to become pilots of the [00:05:23] barriers for entry where [00:05:24] >> see that now we're going down a [00:05:26] different but equally fun direction [00:05:27] which is male female differences. [00:05:29] Charlie loved this country and he loved [00:05:31] [music] partnering with organizations [00:05:32] that truly stand for what makes America [00:05:34] great. One of our most trusted [music] [00:05:36] partners, AAC, the Association of Mature [00:05:38] American Citizens is doing something [00:05:40] special in Charlie's honor. AAC is [00:05:42] offering free memberships to all [music] [00:05:43] ages. No credit card, no strings [00:05:45] attached. Just a chance to stand for [00:05:47] faith, family, and freedom. [music] Join [00:05:49] this movement. Go to amac. us/charlie [00:05:53] today. That is amac.us/charlie [00:05:58] today. [00:06:03] Men much more likely want to be involved [00:06:04] in heavy machinery mechanics. They want [00:06:06] to be pilots. They want to be tank [00:06:08] operators. They want to be police [00:06:09] officers. Whereas women much more likely [00:06:12] want to be, you know, I'll get you [00:06:14] Mason. Don't worry. And I remember your [00:06:15] name. [00:06:15] >> Yes. Can Mason go? They won't let him [00:06:16] go. [00:06:17] >> I'll let Mason go. I'll let Mason go. [00:06:19] But Just Mason, have some patience. We [00:06:21] did this last time. Okay. Um, [laughter] [00:06:23] so uh but but do you understand at least [00:06:26] from our perspective because it's no [00:06:28] good for us to go back and forth again. [00:06:29] Maybe from my our perspective that we [00:06:32] worry that the pursuit of diversity can [00:06:34] mean the compromising of excellence. [00:06:36] >> Charlie Kirk, this country is diverse. [00:06:38] You can't just say the pursuit of [00:06:40] diversity is compromising excellence. [00:06:42] Diversity literally just means [00:06:44] difference. This country is 13% black. [00:06:46] It's 14% immigrant. It's oneif of every [00:06:50] person in this country is Hispanic. It's [00:06:52] 7% homosexual. And 50% of the country [00:06:55] disagrees with you. [00:06:56] >> Diversity is America. You cannot say all [00:06:59] of that is true. [00:07:00] >> You are America first if you do not care [00:07:05] about half of America. [00:07:06] >> I I care I care about them so much. In [00:07:09] fact, [00:07:09] >> you care about them so much that you [00:07:10] don't want to give them I didn't [00:07:12] >> interrupt you access [00:07:14] equal rights. [00:07:15] >> Hold on. No one said rights. Hold on a [00:07:17] second. No. No. I care about them. [00:07:18] >> It is. It's equal rights. Let me finish. [00:07:20] Let me finish. Now, who's interrupting [00:07:22] who? Um, [00:07:24] >> I care about them so much. I want the [00:07:26] only thing that they're ever judged on [00:07:29] is to be their character or their [00:07:31] competency, not their skin color. [00:07:32] >> Okay. So, you want it to be a [00:07:33] meritocracy. You want to be So, let's [00:07:35] talk about a meritocracy. [00:07:36] >> Okay. [00:07:37] >> What experience does Cash Patel have to [00:07:39] run the FBI? [00:07:40] >> He He has amazing experience. [00:07:42] >> No, he doesn't. He wanted to start a UFC [00:07:44] fighting company. [00:07:45] >> He has amazing experience. I got five [00:07:47] words in. He was the most important [00:07:49] thing. [00:07:50] >> He was a public defender. [00:07:52] >> That's not what the That's not the job [00:07:54] of the FBI. He has no experience in the [00:07:55] FBI. [00:07:56] >> He was a public defender and he was a [00:07:58] special prosecutor. [00:07:59] >> Was he ever a member of the FBI? [00:08:01] >> No, but [00:08:01] >> he doesn't have the merit to have. All [00:08:03] right, let's do another example. What [00:08:04] experience does Linda McMahon? [00:08:06] >> What experience does Linda McMahon have [00:08:08] to run? [00:08:09] >> She ran the Small Business [00:08:11] Administration in the first term, which [00:08:13] is a big big organization. She was the [00:08:15] head of the SBA [00:08:16] >> when she was the CEO of WW. [00:08:20] >> I'm not even talking about that. She ran [00:08:21] the SBA. [00:08:22] >> One of her employees [00:08:24] was engaging in pedophilic behavior with [00:08:27] their ring boys under her watch. [00:08:30] >> I'm not going to defend that. [00:08:31] >> She is somehow qualified to be [00:08:33] responsible for all of America's [00:08:35] children. [00:08:35] >> You would have Hold on a second. She was [00:08:37] previously a cabinet secretary and then [00:08:39] became a different cabinet secretary. [00:08:41] That's like a wonder. And then before [00:08:42] that, she was enabling a pedophile. [00:08:44] >> So what you're you're you're first of [00:08:46] all, I I don't know about that instance. [00:08:48] If that's true, that's wrong. [00:08:49] >> That's very true. How do you not know [00:08:51] about that, Charlie? I don't know about [00:08:52] that. [00:08:53] >> Very much. [00:08:54] >> Okay. Again, [00:08:55] >> public information. It's really [00:08:56] important to know that the head of the [00:08:58] Department of Education, [00:09:00] >> is currently in a lawsuit. [00:09:02] >> But let me finish the point, which is [00:09:04] that the WWE can be easily made fun of. [00:09:06] That's a serious business though. It's a [00:09:07] multi-billion dollar business. it is [00:09:09] that engaged in pedophilic activity [00:09:12] >> of which I denounce. I I don't support [00:09:14] that. However, she was head of the SBA [00:09:16] and now she's head of Department of [00:09:17] Education. Tell me another unqualified [00:09:19] person. [00:09:19] >> Another unqualified person. [00:09:22] Okay. [00:09:22] >> No, actually I think Marco slightly [00:09:24] let's talk about Hegath. He's the most [00:09:26] qualified cuz he actually accepted enemy [00:09:28] fire and lost loved ones and friends of [00:09:31] his own. That doesn't make you dude to [00:09:35] run the US military to be a warrior, not [00:09:38] just an academic general. That's very [00:09:40] important. [00:09:40] >> Look, dude, I respect veterans. My [00:09:42] boyfriend's a veteran. I love veterans. [00:09:44] That being said, not every person who is [00:09:46] a veteran is qualified to run the [00:09:48] Department of Defense. [00:09:50] >> I think he's also shown the last couple [00:09:51] of weeks he's doing a pretty phenomenal [00:09:53] job. The prior head of the DoD, Lloyd [00:09:55] Austin, could barely climb up a flight [00:09:57] of stairs. Pete Hexath is up at 5:00 [00:09:59] a.m. doing PT with the troops, running [00:10:02] miles, and then doing an entire day at [00:10:04] the Pentagon. And you might say that [00:10:05] doesn't matter. I actually think [00:10:06] physical fitness and being a good [00:10:08] example to our troops is very important [00:10:10] when you're the head of the Department [00:10:11] of Defense. [00:10:13] >> Being the head of the Department of [00:10:14] Defense is not about doing push-ups. [00:10:15] >> Hold on. But it first of all, it's it's [00:10:17] actually just refreshing versus Mark [00:10:19] Millie and Lloyd Austin. But secondly, I [00:10:21] will say the criteria is that he's a [00:10:23] Warriors warrior. He's someone that was [00:10:25] in the front lines and actually received [00:10:28] medals and knows what it's like to lose [00:10:30] loved ones. And the other people that [00:10:31] were qualified, Na Naima, were people [00:10:33] that got us in endless wars, people that [00:10:36] never saw combat. I think it's finally [00:10:38] time that we have someone in combat that [00:10:39] runs the Secretary of Defense. I think [00:10:41] that's immensely qualified. [00:10:42] >> Okay. Sure. So, we'll take Pete Hegath [00:10:45] for Department of Defense. Someone who [00:10:47] enabled pedophilia for the Department of [00:10:49] Education. [00:10:50] >> That's an unfair cash who has never [00:10:52] worked in the FBI. [00:10:52] >> He was a prosecutor. So the FBI's [00:10:54] >> Dude, do you remember what he said when [00:10:56] he first got [00:10:57] >> Do you want to go Do you want to go back [00:10:58] to Cash Patel for a second? [00:11:00] >> He said Yeah. I'm like this is sick. [00:11:03] >> Okay. Can we go back to Cash Patel [00:11:04] [laughter] though? [00:11:05] >> That is like insanely inappropriate. [00:11:07] >> Can we go back to Cash Patel? So it he [00:11:10] was himself a prosecutor that tried [00:11:13] cases. That's a law enforcement [00:11:15] mechanism. [00:11:18] >> I think they're asking for someone else. [00:11:19] Naima, great to see you again. Thank [00:11:21] you. [00:11:23] All right, Mason. Can we get Mason? Can [00:11:25] I get Mason? [00:11:26] >> Yeah, Mason. But I want to get to a [00:11:27] student or two and then we'll get to [00:11:28] Mason. Okay. [00:11:31] >> Oh, yes. Here. [cheering] [00:11:33] >> Can you take my bag? [00:11:34] >> Yeah, I got my bag. I can't.