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[00:00:00] Well, folks, Michelle Obama, [00:00:01] >> who? [00:00:03] >> Oh, that's Big Mike, man. [laughter] [00:00:05] >> She did it. She finally did it. She went [00:00:07] on the world's most important podcast. [00:00:09] [music] The podcast that won Kla Harris [00:00:11] the presidency. [00:00:13] That podcast is Call her Her Daddy, [00:00:16] hosted by one, Alex Cooper. She's the [00:00:18] former bar stool personality who [00:00:20] basically just does podcasts talking [00:00:22] about sex and then talking [music] with [00:00:24] celebrities about sex and then [00:00:25] apparently sometimes talking with [00:00:26] celebrities not about sex but mostly [00:00:28] that would be political celebrities. So [00:00:30] my producers forced me to go through [00:00:32] this [music] podcast and so here I am [00:00:34] having run the gauntlet for you the [00:00:36] people. Here she was talking about [00:00:38] women's empowerment Michelle Obama with [00:00:41] Alex Cooper of call her daddy. Even you [00:00:44] speaking, right? We're talking about [00:00:45] objectification because we as women [00:00:47] experience that every day and then [00:00:49] you're dealing with with it on the world [00:00:51] stage. I also love it because you have a [00:00:55] pattern of challenging norms and you [00:00:59] refuse to shrink or to conform to the [00:01:01] patriarchy, which I love. And in your [00:01:04] book, you talk about learning that [00:01:08] quote, "If you can't beat them, work [00:01:11] their fascination to your advantage." [00:01:13] It's one of my favorite quotes truly [00:01:15] because it's so relatable. Like from a [00:01:18] very young age as women, we learn how to [00:01:21] shapeshift essentially and we constantly [00:01:24] we have to it's unavoidable, right? [00:01:26] >> Biologically [00:01:27] >> to survive. Just to survive. [00:01:29] >> Oh, good lord. Good lord. all these [00:01:31] victimized women who are very rich and [00:01:33] famous. By the way, this is a lady who [00:01:36] has hosted shows with people like [00:01:37] Chelsea Handler, drugs, dog parks, and [00:01:40] appointments, Hannah Burner, all denty [00:01:42] and faking dirty talk. [00:01:45] So much [00:01:46] >> I'm sure the people who are listening in [00:01:48] on this are desperately in need of some [00:01:51] Schopenhau analysis. That that is why [00:01:53] they are tuning in. or they they're [00:01:56] there for the Schulam Firestone take on [00:01:58] the objectification of women and the [00:02:00] evils of the patriarchy. And it is hard [00:02:02] to think of two people less victimized [00:02:03] by the patriarchy than Alex Cooper and [00:02:05] Michelle Obama. But I guess here we are [00:02:08] now. That is exciting. Also, Alex Cooper [00:02:10] when she talks about, you know, the [00:02:10] evils of the patriarchy and its [00:02:12] objectification standards and and what [00:02:14] women are expected to do, she likes [00:02:16] posing in certain types of she might be [00:02:20] like, you know, I don't know, promoting [00:02:21] the objectification standards a little [00:02:24] bit. Michelle also spoke to Alex Cooper [00:02:26] about workplace fashion and male bosses. [00:02:28] >> You know, women don't have to dress a [00:02:30] certain way to lead on somebody who has [00:02:33] misogynistic. You know, a lot of times [00:02:35] we blame ourselves and say, "Well, if I [00:02:38] you know, look, you leaned in because [00:02:40] you wore that dress and you you know, um [00:02:43] but but it is a tricky balance because [00:02:47] you know, if you're in a professional [00:02:49] setting and wearing a dress or a certain [00:02:52] if if if that is the standard, [00:02:56] then you are a little you know, you do [00:02:59] have to be thoughtful. So, we have to [00:03:02] think a lot more. I mean, it's justing [00:03:05] this is also what I'm saying in the [00:03:07] book, right? I mean, to to strike that [00:03:11] balance and to be thoughtful about what [00:03:13] messages were sending, giving, [00:03:15] receiving. Men don't do that. My husband [00:03:18] wasn't doing that. Same suit, put on [00:03:20] blue suit, black, white shirt, different [00:03:22] tie, you know. Okay. I I just have one [00:03:25] point to make about this. It is [00:03:26] hilarious to me that women think that [00:03:28] men sit around analyzing what they're [00:03:29] wearing. It is hilarious to me. Truly [00:03:31] hilarious. Basically, men, when it comes [00:03:33] to women, they have a very easy [00:03:36] standard. Do you look good in that or [00:03:37] not? That's the standard. If you ask me [00:03:39] what my wife wore 2 days ago, I have no [00:03:41] idea what you wore two days ago. Because [00:03:43] I'm a dude. You want to know why dudes [00:03:45] dress the same every day? Cuz we don't [00:03:46] care what we wear. You can ask me what [00:03:48] any dude in my office wore anytime in [00:03:51] the last year, I would have no idea. [00:03:52] None. You can ask me what I wore 3 days [00:03:54] ago. I have no idea. And the only reason [00:03:56] I know what I wore yesterday is because [00:03:58] I don't have short-term memory loss. [00:03:59] It's literally the only reason because [00:04:00] no one cares. Basically, as long as you [00:04:03] are dressed not like a complete schlub [00:04:05] or like a complete prostitute or [00:04:08] jigalow. No one is going to care about [00:04:09] any of this. It's ridiculous. Like the [00:04:11] women dress for women. Okay, let's be [00:04:13] real about this. That is what women get [00:04:15] in. Okay, when my wife is packing for [00:04:18] some sort of big event and she says, "I [00:04:20] can't wear what I wore last year." I say [00:04:22] to her, "Who's even thinking about what [00:04:24] you wore last year?" And she's like, [00:04:25] "Well, everyone's going to notice." And [00:04:26] you know who she means? She means all [00:04:27] the other women. Cuz they do. They all [00:04:29] notice what they all wore last year. But [00:04:31] Michelle Obama being called too many men [00:04:33] are going to be sitting around analyzing [00:04:34] what I wouldn't be. I don't care what [00:04:36] you're wearing. Lady, I don't care at [00:04:37] all. It makes no difference to me [00:04:38] whatsoever. The only reason that Hillary [00:04:40] Clinton's pants suits became a thing is [00:04:42] because she wore like the same pants [00:04:43] suit but in eight different colors. And [00:04:45] it was kind of funny. It was kind of a [00:04:46] meme, but that's about it. Ain't nobody [00:04:48] sitting around worrying about what [00:04:49] Michelle Obama's wearing other than like [00:04:50] the fashion critic at the LA Times [00:04:52] talking about how brazen she is and how [00:04:54] brave she is for what she's wearing. So [00:04:57] silly. Also, I'm just going to point out [00:04:59] that in this very interview, Alex [00:05:00] Cooper's very first note to Michelle [00:05:02] Obama was that her outfit was cute. [00:05:04] >> Talk to me about your outfit. How did [00:05:06] you pick it? [00:05:07] >> My outfit. This is a Meredith Coupe [00:05:10] original. And as we were thinking about [00:05:12] promotions for the tour, there is a [00:05:16] >> I've had many women on my program. I [00:05:18] have never once a single time commented [00:05:20] on their outfit. Not one time. By the [00:05:22] way, not for dudes either, unless I'm [00:05:23] making fun of like Michael Nolles [00:05:25] wearing an ascot or something. It is [00:05:27] real gay, man. It's real gay. I mean [00:05:29] that very literally. [00:05:30] >> It's sometimes difficult [music] to get [00:05:31] sleep. You know, there are a lot of [00:05:32] stresses in life, but you need sleep if [00:05:34] you're going to be there for your [00:05:35] family, for your job, for all the things [00:05:36] that are actually important. Well, that [00:05:38] means you need the right mattress. And [00:05:39] finding the right mattress doesn't have [00:05:41] to be complicated. 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[00:06:40] Alex Cooper then went on to admit that [00:06:42] she wore tighter clothes at Barto stool [00:06:44] for the opportunities, which is a real [00:06:45] way of standing up to the patriarchy [00:06:46] there. Alex, [00:06:47] >> we have to acknowledge that women just [00:06:49] have such a different standard that [00:06:50] we're held to. And I appreciate you [00:06:51] acknowledging that yes, there is a [00:06:54] different level of privilege as the two [00:06:55] of us sitting here right now and the [00:06:57] outfit choices that we're making. Yes, [00:06:58] we can decide to send a message that [00:07:00] we're wearing. But it a lot of times [00:07:02] right now in our position, we are not [00:07:04] being [00:07:05] >> held to well, you wore that, so you're [00:07:07] not going to get the job now. But if you [00:07:09] rewound to our lives, like when I was a [00:07:11] younger girl, I did dress a specific way [00:07:13] because I knew I was in a male-dominated [00:07:15] industry and I knew I would have a [00:07:16] better time if I wore a tighter shirt [00:07:19] because the guy would maybe give me more [00:07:21] attention. What I did with that, though, [00:07:23] is so important, and I appreciate you [00:07:25] acknowledging that. It's like, don't [00:07:26] lose yourself to the game of the [00:07:28] misogyny that we all get wrapped into. [00:07:31] >> Oh my god. So, she's not responsible for [00:07:33] any of it. She she took advantage of it, [00:07:35] but she's not responsible for any of it [00:07:36] is basically the the take there. And [00:07:38] what a victim she is. Everyone's victim. [00:07:40] Okay. Not only are they victimized [00:07:41] because of their clothes, they're also [00:07:42] victimized because women are expected to [00:07:44] take the last name of their husband. [00:07:46] This apparently is a form of victimhood. [00:07:48] Now, I will just point out here, [00:07:49] Michelle Obama is famous because her [00:07:51] last name is Obama cuz she was married [00:07:54] to the president of the United States. [00:07:56] That is why she is famous. That is the [00:07:58] reason she is famous. You don't get to [00:08:00] complain about taking your husband's [00:08:02] last name when it is the only reason [00:08:04] anyone knows who the hell you are. Here [00:08:07] we go. [00:08:07] >> You even think about it like why do [00:08:09] women have miss, Mrs. and then miss. [00:08:14] >> Mhm. [00:08:14] >> And men never change from mister. They [00:08:17] are [00:08:18] >> you're just you're always you. Once [00:08:20] again, you don't have to evolve. See, we [00:08:21] we're even evolving. What do I call [00:08:23] myself? [00:08:23] >> We're changing up here, [00:08:24] >> right? You know, it's like I went [00:08:26] through that too when I got married. And [00:08:27] I was like, "Okay, I'm going to meet [00:08:28] Michelle Robinson Obama, right?" I did [00:08:31] that. I was I was in a real career. And [00:08:34] it I felt like this is a lot of name. [00:08:38] [laughter] [00:08:38] >> It feels like a little silly. Michelle [00:08:40] Robinson Obama. Hello. I did that for [00:08:43] like a month and I was like, "Okay, that [00:08:46] that's I'm tired." You know, me too. [00:08:48] >> I got to write that down. That's long. [00:08:50] Three syllables for three names too [00:08:52] much. [00:08:52] >> He wasn't going through this. He wasn't [00:08:54] changing his license and his social [00:08:56] security number and you know he he you [00:08:59] know so yeah another way that we evolve [00:09:01] in [00:09:01] >> good lord you want to know where the [00:09:03] tradition came from that a woman takes [00:09:04] the family name of the husband. The [00:09:07] reason that that exists is because when [00:09:09] you have children you want to know who [00:09:11] the father of the children is. It turns [00:09:14] out it's very easy to find out who the [00:09:15] mom of a child is because she's [00:09:16] biologically connected to the child. She [00:09:19] was pregnant with the child and had the [00:09:20] baby. But dad was there only at the very [00:09:23] beginning. And so she takes dad's name [00:09:25] to signify that the child should take [00:09:27] the dad's name. That is the reason. That [00:09:30] would be the reason right there. This is [00:09:31] so stupid. Everyone is a victim. [00:09:33] Everyone in the world is a victim, [00:09:34] including people who literally have [00:09:36] benefited from the patriarchy. Michelle [00:09:38] Obama is only famous because her last [00:09:40] name is Obama and not Robinson. And why [00:09:42] are we pretending that this isn't the [00:09:43] case? Again, Alex Cooper may have had an [00:09:45] innate level of talent on her own, but [00:09:47] to pretend that she sort of built this [00:09:49] whole thing out on her own and that she [00:09:51] was not helped by men or that men were [00:09:53] the sort of main obstacles to her [00:09:55] success, that she succeeded in spite of [00:09:57] the patriarchy. She hosts a sex podcast. [00:10:00] Are you kidding me? And again, it's it's [00:10:02] even more about Michelle Obama. Like [00:10:03] Michelle Obama complaining about the [00:10:05] patriarchy. That's like Hillary Clinton [00:10:06] complaining about the patriarchy. Lady, [00:10:08] you weren't elected to Jack Squat. You [00:10:09] weren't elected to anything. You are [00:10:11] only famous because your hubby was [00:10:14] president. It is the only reason anyone [00:10:16] has ever heard of you. And you know, [00:10:17] it's kind of funny. The people who you [00:10:18] never hear complaining about the [00:10:19] patriarchy are women who don't have [00:10:21] famous husbands. Margaret Thatcher never [00:10:23] complained about the patriarchy. Gold [00:10:25] mayor never complained about the [00:10:26] patriarchy. It turns out that there are [00:10:28] a lot of very successful people who made [00:10:30] it without their husbands being very [00:10:31] famous who don't tend to complain too [00:10:33] much about the patriarchy. You know why? [00:10:34] Cuz they made it without the help of the [00:10:36] patriarchy. [laughter] [00:10:38] It's kind of an amazing thing. [00:10:39] Meanwhile, we hear from Michelle Obama [00:10:41] and Alex Cooper about not dividing [00:10:42] people. You know, you want to make sure [00:10:43] that you don't divide people, says [00:10:44] Michelle Obama, one of the most divisive [00:10:46] political figures of our time. We should [00:10:48] always be trying to go high. And I think [00:10:50] as anybody with a platform, a powerful [00:10:53] platform, it's a responsibility, [00:10:57] right? Because that that that platform [00:11:00] is powerful. Like the words you say move [00:11:03] people and you can move them to pro [00:11:06] productivity or you can move them to [00:11:09] division, you can move them to hate. Um [00:11:14] it is like anybody with a platform can [00:11:18] do that. So now we now have a [00:11:21] responsibility. If you want the platform [00:11:23] then be it's like a gun [00:11:26] like learn how to use it. Put the safety [00:11:29] lock on you know. um because you can [00:11:33] cause a lot of damage. [00:11:35] >> Now, I agree that you have a [00:11:36] responsibility with your platform. I [00:11:37] just don't think that Michelle Obama [00:11:39] uses her particularly well. She gives [00:11:40] speeches routinely about how terrible [00:11:42] America is, filled with racism and [00:11:44] misogyny and all the rest of it. She's a [00:11:46] very divisive political figure. Speaking [00:11:48] of which, she went on to talk about how [00:11:49] females can't be president because of [00:11:51] course America is a sexist place. Which [00:11:53] again, ladies, if you truly believe that [00:11:56] America is sexist, if you really, really [00:11:58] believe that America is all about the [00:11:59] sexism, it's all about the men. I have [00:12:01] but one question. There are more women [00:12:03] than men in the electorate, why don't [00:12:05] you vote in solidarity, ladies? What are [00:12:07] you doing here? [00:12:08] >> Um, [screaming] [00:12:10] okay. We are cooked. 50 years ago, [00:12:14] we were fighting for the equal rights [00:12:17] bill, you know, I mean, just this in [00:12:19] there are people alive today, you know, [00:12:23] that, you know, couldn't marry the [00:12:25] opposite race, you know, couldn't love [00:12:29] who you loved. I mean, this is recent [00:12:31] history of a country that's been around [00:12:34] for hundreds and hundreds of years. It's [00:12:36] been going along this way and then boop, [00:12:38] there's a little change. [00:12:41] It just happened. But but that means [00:12:45] that the remnants of what has been there [00:12:46] and what we've been socialized is really [00:12:50] deeply embedded in who we are [00:12:53] and [00:12:55] whether people really feel yet that they [00:12:58] can follow a woman as president. Like we [00:13:02] would just be silly to think that there [00:13:04] aren't just some gut kind of I don't [00:13:07] know. [00:13:07] >> I'm sorry. She I'm falling asleep. I'm [00:13:09] sorry. She's She's She's interminable. [00:13:11] I'm falling asleep. I'm falling asleep. [00:13:13] Yes, it's You're a victim, lady. You're [00:13:15] a victim. You've been elected to zero [00:13:16] things. You're a victim. The ladies are [00:13:18] the victims. I'm just going to point out [00:13:19] at this point that women represent a [00:13:22] significant majority of the electorate. [00:13:24] In 2024, men represented 82.6 million [00:13:28] registered voters in the United States. [00:13:30] Women represented 91.3 million voters in [00:13:33] the United States. Okay? Women are a [00:13:34] majority of the people with college [00:13:36] degrees. What What are we talking about [00:13:38] here? What are we talking about here? [00:13:40] Maybe you should stop running crappy [00:13:41] candidates like Hillary Clinton and Kla [00:13:43] Harris. I don't know. It's a thought. [00:13:44] She then was asked if Barack Obama would [00:13:46] run for a third term if President Trump [00:13:48] changes the law. And she gives the only [00:13:50] good answer I think of this interview. [00:13:51] >> If Trump does change the law and runs [00:13:55] for a third term, hypothetically, [00:13:58] do you think [00:14:00] your husband would consider running? [00:14:03] >> I hope not. [laughter] Michelle, [00:14:06] I would actively work against that, [00:14:11] you know, [00:14:11] >> the whole world starts crying. [00:14:13] >> I I would really I wouldn't be I I would [00:14:15] be at home working against it, you know, [00:14:18] and maybe a lot of people be like, [00:14:20] "Good, we don't want them anyway." And [00:14:21] I'm like, "Yeah, that's when I Right." [00:14:23] >> Okay. So, you're like not interested, [00:14:26] >> you know? I I do believe in the need for [00:14:29] new vision, right? I mean the the two [00:14:33] terms is not just about we like him and [00:14:35] we want it. It's just like the we're [00:14:38] changing and growing so fast. This is a [00:14:42] hard job and it it requires new energy, [00:14:46] new new vision all the time, new ways of [00:14:49] looking at the world, right? So I do [00:14:52] believe that 8 years is enough. [00:14:54] >> Wow. You know, wa wa Michelle saying a [00:14:56] rational thing there. Well, good for [00:14:58] her. Truly good for her. Okay, so that [00:15:00] is a synopsis of what happens when you [00:15:02] take Michelle Obama and put her on a sex [00:15:04] podcast and then they don't talk about [00:15:05] anything interesting. So exciting stuff [00:15:08] there. I mean, it is also worth noting [00:15:09] that both of the people that are talking [00:15:11] to each other here don't even think that [00:15:13] women exist, right? If you're a dude and [00:15:14] you say you're a lady, you're also a [00:15:15] lady. So, I'm not sure how they can be [00:15:17] drawing all of these harsh gender [00:15:18] distinctions. Thanks to producers Savvy [00:15:21] and Sarah for making that happen for all [00:15:23] of us. [00:15:24] >> You're fired. [00:15:25] >> I hope that you enjoyed it as little as [00:15:27] I did. If I'm going to be tortured, I [00:15:28] hope you were as well. [00:15:31] [music]