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[00:00:00] We have to start with Jeffrey Epstein [00:00:02] >> because the way you have written about [00:00:06] him, it connects to a whole world of [00:00:11] corruption. [00:00:12] >> Yeah. [00:00:12] >> Is he kind of the Rosetta Stone? [00:00:15] >> Yeah. I think it's sort of like a meta [00:00:16] scandal. You're looking at someone who [00:00:18] really had, I guess, for lack of a [00:00:20] better metaphor, had his hands in a lot [00:00:22] of pies. Right. Right. So, he was sort [00:00:25] of at the center of a lot of scandals, [00:00:27] but not necessarily at the top. Right. I [00:00:29] think he was more maybe middle [00:00:31] management in a sense, but very central [00:00:33] to a lot of these things going on that [00:00:35] sort of these um networks in which he um [00:00:39] in which he inhabits are involved in you [00:00:41] know numerous acts of corruption [00:00:43] simultaneously and he you know is there [00:00:46] involved in many of them but not [00:00:48] necessarily at the top level. Right. [00:00:51] >> So was he was he a spy? I think he [00:00:54] definitely had intelligence connections [00:00:56] and there's a lot um you know to suggest [00:00:58] that was the case. I think one of the [00:00:59] most uh the earliest hints we heard of [00:01:02] that was having a secretary of labor [00:01:04] Alex Acasta under Trump uh say that one [00:01:06] of the reasons he was pressured into [00:01:08] giving Epstein a sweetheart deal during [00:01:10] his first um arrest in in Florida was [00:01:13] because he he had been told by [00:01:14] unspecified actors that Epstein belonged [00:01:16] to intelligence. But that's kind of you [00:01:19] know what exactly does that mean? Was he [00:01:21] an asset? Was he on the payroll? which [00:01:23] intelligence agency, multiple [00:01:24] intelligence agencies. When you have his [00:01:26] close association with someone like Gain [00:01:28] Maxwell in the mix and her father had [00:01:30] affiliations with numerous intelligence [00:01:32] agencies, you know, it really is an open [00:01:34] question. [00:01:34] >> He was kind of a bad guy [laughter] in [00:01:38] reading your work about him and explain [00:01:40] who he was. [00:01:41] >> Uh, so Robert Maxwell was involved in [00:01:44] many things. Uh but he definitely played [00:01:46] a major role in undermining US national [00:01:48] security by selling bug software to [00:01:50] nuclear laboratories in the United [00:01:52] States. Um and this was directly [00:01:54] facilitated by well-known statesmen in [00:01:57] US history like Henry Kissinger for [00:01:59] example. And a lot of the people I think [00:02:01] that enabled him at least on the US side [00:02:03] tend to be those that um favor global [00:02:06] governance and you know um they kind of [00:02:10] don't want the US to have that kind of [00:02:11] monopoly on on power [00:02:13] >> cuz all of his family they were killed [00:02:15] in the Holocaust. Right. [00:02:17] >> Right. [00:02:17] >> And so uh he he's in the west England [00:02:22] >> uh he survives becomes [00:02:24] kind of uh William Randph Hurst of [00:02:28] England. [00:02:29] >> Yeah. media mogul. Sure. [00:02:31] >> Um and uh and then betrays the West and [00:02:37] that's not because he was on the other [00:02:39] he wasn't on the [00:02:40] >> Soviet side. He was on a global [00:02:42] government side. [00:02:43] >> Well, I think there you have to look at [00:02:45] this network and they've evolved over [00:02:47] time, right? Uh Robert Maxwell was very [00:02:49] close to the Eastern block. He had a [00:02:50] very close relationship with [00:02:51] intelligence figures in the KGB and also [00:02:54] Bulgaria. He had a relationship with [00:02:55] British intelligence and Israeli [00:02:57] intelligence and was involved in aspects [00:03:00] of what later became known as Iran [00:03:02] Contra which of course involves aspects [00:03:04] of US intelligence. So I mean he had his [00:03:06] hands in, you know, everywhere and [00:03:08] everything and I think ultimately people [00:03:09] like him are interested in [00:03:12] >> uh any deal they can make to advance [00:03:14] their money and their power and their [00:03:15] influence, they'll take it. So Robert [00:03:17] Maxwell was very interested in having [00:03:19] his family be like the Kennedy family, a [00:03:21] political power dynasty. Um, and that's [00:03:24] part of why he started moving into New [00:03:26] York City around, you know, just a year [00:03:28] or two before he ended up dying. And [00:03:30] Galileain Maxwell was sent to New York [00:03:31] sort of to be his emissary. Um, [00:03:34] >> wow. [00:03:34] >> into the US. And he wanted her actually [00:03:36] to marry a Kennedy. And this is attested [00:03:38] to in, you know, past mainstream media [00:03:39] reports. And you can see his his efforts [00:03:42] to get her close to, I think, uh, one of [00:03:44] the sons of Robert F. Kennedy. Um, and [00:03:47] also John F. Kennedy Jr. her trying to [00:03:50] get her sort of in that social social [00:03:53] tier because he sort of saw that as you [00:03:55] know would advance his power and also [00:03:57] you know that of his children and I [00:03:59] think if you look a lot at the [00:04:00] psychology of Robert Maxwell he seems to [00:04:01] have had narcissistic elements and that [00:04:03] could be because of the trauma um of his [00:04:06] past and a lot of times narcissistic [00:04:07] parents see their children as extensions [00:04:09] of themselves and so you know that he's [00:04:11] looking at how to build an empire and [00:04:13] using uh his children to that effect and [00:04:16] you sort of see that with the psychology [00:04:17] of Galain Maxwell as Gain [00:04:21] was she part and parcel of from the [00:04:25] beginning or was she uh you know kind of [00:04:29] a good girl idealistic comes over here [00:04:33] you know knows that dad wants to put her [00:04:36] into powerful positions but not shopping [00:04:39] women. [00:04:40] >> I I think it's a lot more complicated [00:04:42] than that. You have to look at her early [00:04:43] history. Um the favorite son of Robert [00:04:46] Maxwell was originally Michael Maxwell. [00:04:48] he uh was in a vegetative state after a [00:04:50] car crash I think when he was 15 and [00:04:52] that happened shortly after just a few [00:04:54] days after Galain was born. So n her [00:04:57] family members and she herself have [00:04:59] attested to that she was basically [00:05:00] neglected for the first 3 years of her [00:05:02] life and even developed childhood [00:05:04] anorexia things like that and then you [00:05:07] know not a few years after she becomes [00:05:09] the favorite child. So she goes from [00:05:10] having this complete lack of parental [00:05:12] attention to being sort of showered in [00:05:14] it by Robert Maxwell. And that obviously [00:05:17] has going to have a psychological impact [00:05:19] on someone. And then um addition there's [00:05:22] uh she was basically uh managed by her [00:05:25] father from a very early age. He managed [00:05:27] her tried to manage her romantic life. [00:05:30] He tried to manage what job she would [00:05:32] have and she was very dependent on him. [00:05:34] So when he is dead in 1991, it makes [00:05:36] sense that she would attach herself to [00:05:37] someone with a lot of the similar [00:05:39] similar characteristics, right? [00:05:41] >> So dad didn't know about [music] uh [00:05:43] Jeffrey Epste wasn't alive at that [00:05:45] point. [00:05:45] >> Well, the allegation have been made by [00:05:47] people that worked with Robert Maxwell. [00:05:50] Uh,