Charlie Kirk Challenges Radical Abortion Activist on When Life Begins

[00:00:00] Hello, my name is Audrey. I'm a UNLV [00:00:02] student and I just wanted to ask [00:00:04] >> That's a good book. [00:00:05] >> Oh, yeah. I love it. Um, I wanted to ask [00:00:08] what your personal beliefs on when life [00:00:11] begins in [00:00:14] for a pregnant woman. [00:00:16] >> Uh, yeah. Conception. [00:00:18] >> Why? [00:00:19] >> Because that is when your that is when [00:00:20] your DNA was formed and your entire [00:00:22] journey as a human being started. [00:00:24] >> Okay. Well, so what about people who [00:00:27] believe differently than you? Why should [00:00:29] my right to choose be dependent on your [00:00:33] viewpoint? [00:00:33] >> Well, I guess the other question is do [00:00:35] you think that there is right science [00:00:36] and wrong science? [00:00:37] >> Yeah. [00:00:37] >> Okay. So, science will prove me correct. [00:00:39] For example, [00:00:40] >> science does not prove you correct. [00:00:41] >> Okay. Let me let me let me build it out. [00:00:43] H how tall you are, [00:00:44] >> how tall you are, your eye color, your [00:00:46] weight dispens disparity, your your [00:00:49] tastes, your likes, your dislikes were [00:00:51] all put into place at that moment of [00:00:53] conception. [00:00:53] >> I do not believe that that is true. [00:00:55] >> No, it actually is true. So, it's called [00:00:56] DNA. It's called deoxxyribboucleic acid. [00:00:58] So, so for example, um your how tall you [00:01:02] are right now or how tall you could be [00:01:04] absent, you know, medical intervention, [00:01:05] your eye color, your skin color, your [00:01:08] hair color was all decided at that [00:01:09] moment. So, basically the blueprint for [00:01:11] your life came into being at that [00:01:13] moment. Therefore, is your life. It is [00:01:15] the beginning of your life. And what [00:01:17] what is distinguishes you from your [00:01:18] mother is that you have two separate [00:01:20] forms of DNA. So, I believe you should [00:01:22] be able to do what you want with your [00:01:24] body. And I believe that everybody [00:01:25] should be able to not be interfered with [00:01:27] in their body. Therefore, if it's not [00:01:29] your DNA, it's not your choice. [00:01:30] >> Okay, let's move on from that. Um, [00:01:34] that's not because I'm wrong, it's [00:01:36] because I don't have time. [00:01:39] >> Now, [00:01:44] now Charlie, I have a question. When it [00:01:46] comes to like latestage abortions, like [00:01:49] really really late stage, how are your [00:01:51] stances on that? Obviously, I believe it [00:01:54] should be illegal. Yeah. [00:01:55] >> Um, what about if it will literally kill [00:01:58] the mother? [00:01:58] >> Yeah. So, that's a separate medical [00:01:59] procedure, not an abortion. [00:02:01] >> No, it is the same medical procedure. [00:02:02] >> That's actually called a septagetomy. [00:02:04] And according to it kills women, [00:02:05] >> according to Planned Parenthood's own [00:02:07] website, up until recently, it was a [00:02:09] distinct and separate medical procedure, [00:02:11] not called an abortion. That's Planned [00:02:12] Parenthood's own website for 30 years. [00:02:14] And so, yes, if a mother's life is at [00:02:16] risk, that is a separate medical [00:02:18] procedure. For for example, amniotic [00:02:20] sactor [00:02:21] fluid going at that point. So then why [00:02:23] why why is that different? [00:02:25] >> But let's be very clear in latestage [00:02:27] abortion, you would both agree we should [00:02:29] probably try a cescareian section before [00:02:30] a termination. What is your opinion on [00:02:32] cescareian sections? [00:02:33] >> I'm I'm a C-section baby. I think it's [00:02:35] perfectly [00:02:36] >> but both my kids are. So let me ask you [00:02:37] a question. If a baby was risking the [00:02:39] mom's life, why shouldn't we try to [00:02:41] deliver the baby and not terminate it? [00:02:43] >> There's no reason why you shouldn't [00:02:44] deliver. [00:02:44] >> Okay. So we agree. So the point is that [00:02:46] instead of aborting it, try to make it [00:02:47] live to a C-section. Like you said, [00:02:49] you're a C-section baby. I'm glad you [00:02:50] lived. I'm glad you weren't aborted. [00:02:53] >> You know, a lot of people say the like, [00:02:55] "What if you were aborted?" And it's [00:02:56] just [00:02:56] >> I didn't say that. I said, "I'm glad you [00:02:57] weren't." [00:02:58] >> I know you didn't say that, but I'm just [00:02:59] saying a lot of people do say that. And [00:03:01] personally, I would rather my mom have [00:03:03] the ability to choose if she has a baby [00:03:06] that is wanted over forcing. [00:03:08] >> Define wanted. [00:03:10] >> Wanting a baby is wanting a baby. If I [00:03:14] >> That's not a definition. That's [00:03:15] repeating the phrase. [00:03:19] >> Anyways, so [00:03:20] >> No, no, no. because it's important. [00:03:21] Define wanted. [00:03:23] >> So wanting something is [00:03:25] >> So for example, I'm not wanted on many [00:03:26] college campuses. Do I have a right to [00:03:28] show up there? [00:03:28] >> Oh wow. Okay. So that's where we're [00:03:32] going with this. [00:03:32] >> No, no, no. Define wanted. [00:03:35] >> You're obviously not dumb. You're [00:03:36] reading the Iliad. Tell me what does [00:03:37] wanted mean. [00:03:38] >> You want something and you go out of [00:03:41] your way to get it. Right. [00:03:43] >> Okay. Again, that's not a definition, [00:03:44] but the point is that why should want [00:03:46] >> The definition of wanted is a very hard [00:03:47] thing to define in this way. [00:03:49] >> Exactly. So that that this is the [00:03:51] essence of it. Why should want be [00:03:54] correlated with moral worth? If someone [00:03:55] is not wanted, should they be allowed to [00:03:57] be murdered? [00:03:58] >> It's not murder. [00:03:59] >> And that's why that's why we disagree. [00:04:01] Okay. If it's a human being, shouldn't a [00:04:03] human [00:04:03] >> It's not a human being. It's a clump of [00:04:05] cells. [00:04:06] >> Well, okay. Hold on. Hold on, guys. Hold [00:04:09] on. [00:04:10] So, [00:04:12] I'm a clump of cells and you are a clump [00:04:14] of cells. [00:04:15] >> It is a clump of cells with no brain, [00:04:17] with no heart. Nothing. That's not [00:04:19] correct. [00:04:19] >> Yes, it is true. [00:04:20] >> At 8 weeks, a heart at 8 weeks, a [00:04:22] heartbeat develops. At 10 weeks, brain [00:04:24] waves are detected. DNA well before [00:04:26] that. But and it can feel pain up to 15 [00:04:28] weeks. However, I just want to be clear. [00:04:30] What species is the fetus? [00:04:33] [laughter] [00:04:35] >> It can be a human fetus. Yeah. [00:04:36] >> Okay. Wait. If it's a human fetus, then [00:04:38] doesn't it get human rights? [00:04:40] >> It's not a human yet. [00:04:41] >> But you said it's a human. At what [00:04:42] point? [00:04:42] >> It's a human fetus. That is a different [00:04:44] >> At what point does it magically become a [00:04:46] human? when it can survive outside of [00:04:48] the womb. That's when I personally [00:04:49] >> So viability. So a baby born in NICU [00:04:51] that requires assistance from a [00:04:53] diialysis machine or breathing machine, [00:04:54] is that a human being? [00:04:56] >> Sure. Yeah. [00:04:56] >> But I thought you said it it can't [00:04:57] survive on its own outside of the womb. [00:04:59] >> That is a different thing. [00:05:00] >> No, it's not. The point is that [00:05:02] >> Hey, hey, hey. But I said, [00:05:04] >> final question. [00:05:06] >> Final question. If a if a mom finds out [00:05:08] she's having a down syndrome baby, [00:05:10] should she be allowed to terminate it? [00:05:14] >> Yes. [00:05:19] You see, we have disagreement. I think [00:05:21] Down syndrome kids are a gift from the [00:05:22] Lord and some of the most happy, joyful [00:05:25] kids that should not be cast aside and [00:05:27] terminated just because you get a blood [00:05:29] test that you don't like. Thank you very [00:05:30] much for your question.