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[00:00:00] So, John, you seem to be evolving as a
[00:00:03] man. This is my outside observation, but
[00:00:06] as a man and an artist, you want you
[00:00:08] grew up and you've said in our last
[00:00:10] interview, you wanted to be a country
[00:00:11] music star, you want to write a lot of
[00:00:13] songs, you wanted to chart,
[00:00:15] >> sell a lot of records, did all that, but
[00:00:17] you seem to be, I don't know, on some
[00:00:20] kind of new mission. Am I imagining
[00:00:22] that? And if I'm not, what is it?
[00:00:23] >> No, you're not imagining it. uh few
[00:00:27] years ago I started to uh contemplate
[00:00:30] the difference between success and
[00:00:32] significance
[00:00:35] >> and they are different. Sometimes they
[00:00:37] intersect where something significant or
[00:00:39] something successful they they interact.
[00:00:42] But I spent three decades of my adult
[00:00:46] life
[00:00:48] in self-service
[00:00:50] competing in the music industry to be
[00:00:54] successful. And so to me, success in the
[00:00:56] music industry, I had really high bars.
[00:00:58] I I'd set like I want to be songwriter
[00:01:01] of the year, for instance, in Nashville.
[00:01:03] That's something I that's like the
[00:01:05] coveted award because there's thousands
[00:01:07] of songwriters in Nashville and I was
[00:01:09] songwriter of the year for three years
[00:01:10] in a row. Um wanted to sell millions of
[00:01:14] records. Well, all told, you know, we
[00:01:17] sold close to 15 million records. Um
[00:01:20] wanted to write hit songs for other
[00:01:23] people, too. And I've had I don't know
[00:01:25] how many I don't I don't even know the
[00:01:27] number of how many top 10 songs I've
[00:01:30] written. It's a lot.
[00:01:32] So,
[00:01:33] >> can I ask how were those victories? Were
[00:01:35] they as great as you thought they'd be
[00:01:36] >> at the time? Yeah. Because, you know, it
[00:01:38] was my that's my American dream. That's
[00:01:40] what I wanted to do. You know, I didn't
[00:01:42] go to college. I had a four-year ride to
[00:01:44] a school called Belmont University in
[00:01:46] Nashville
[00:01:47] >> on a vocal scholarship. And my plan was
[00:01:50] to go there and go to college. And I'm
[00:01:52] in Nashville and I'll try to get a
[00:01:54] record deal, you know, and go to
[00:01:55] college. If I don't get a record deal,
[00:01:56] well, I got went to college and I got a
[00:01:58] degree. Maybe I go do something. I don't
[00:01:59] know. But instead of going to college, I
[00:02:02] went out on the road with some guys I
[00:02:05] literally barely knew from Texas who
[00:02:08] were older than me. I was 18 going on
[00:02:12] 19. And instead of going to college, I
[00:02:15] went out and played about 200 nights a
[00:02:16] year in a van pulling a trailer all over
[00:02:19] the US playing Holiday in lounges and
[00:02:22] county rodeos and off-brand casinos and
[00:02:24] basically anybody that would hire us
[00:02:27] because I wanted to be on the radio. I
[00:02:30] wanted to play the Grand Opry and I
[00:02:32] wanted to write number one songs and I
[00:02:34] couldn't understand how college was
[00:02:36] going to make that happen.
[00:02:37] >> Fair.
[00:02:38] >> It can't.
[00:02:39] >> Yeah.
[00:02:39] >> I mean, it just can't. So I said, I'm
[00:02:41] going to just go do it. And so that band
[00:02:44] became a band called Lonear, which we
[00:02:46] got a record deal a couple years after
[00:02:48] we started. Sold four or five million
[00:02:50] records with them. Wrote my first number
[00:02:51] ones with them. So in those moments
[00:02:54] where you you you gambled to that level
[00:02:57] and then you win and then everybody
[00:03:00] loves it. It is just a constant high
[00:03:03] five. I mean, it's just a constant
[00:03:05] celebration because that is so hard to
[00:03:08] do.
[00:03:08] >> Yes. Uh, it's like an Olympian winning a
[00:03:10] gold medal. That that's what it's like
[00:03:12] to write a number one song or to step
[00:03:14] out on a stage and there's 30,000 people
[00:03:16] that know the words to your music and
[00:03:17] you've never met any of them. And it's
[00:03:19] that way all over the US. You can
[00:03:21] imagine that feeling especially in your
[00:03:23] 20s.
[00:03:24] >> Yeah.
[00:03:25] >> I mean, it there's no no better physical
[00:03:28] feeling I don't think you can have than
[00:03:30] just it's just massive adrenaline. And
[00:03:33] so
[00:03:35] throughout the course of the next years,
[00:03:36] here comes Big and Rich, which is, you
[00:03:38] know, my singing partner, Big Kenny, and
[00:03:40] we sold millions of records, and we have
[00:03:42] 20, 30,000 people a night, and here's a
[00:03:44] whole another rack of hit songs coming.
[00:03:46] And now I'm finding people, you know,
[00:03:49] bartenders who I who I hear sing one
[00:03:51] night. And I talk to this girl and I go,
[00:03:53] "You're one of the best singers I've
[00:03:54] ever heard. We got to get you in the
[00:03:56] studio. We got to write some songs." And
[00:03:58] she goes, "All right." And so we do. She
[00:04:00] gets a record deal. Her name is Gretchen
[00:04:02] Wilson. And Gretchen Wilson sold about
[00:04:04] 13 million records.
[00:04:06] >> Damn.
[00:04:06] >> You following this trend?
[00:04:08] >> So, I mean, just home run after home
[00:04:10] run, grand slam, grand slam,
[00:04:13] >> which puts a lot of plaques on your
[00:04:14] wall.
[00:04:15] >> You make a lot of money doing that. Get
[00:04:18] a lot of praise, a lot of applause. Um,
[00:04:21] and that's success. That is success. And
[00:04:24] in that world, that's it. That is
[00:04:26] success. But is it significant?
[00:04:30] meaning,
[00:04:32] what did it do other than make me feel
[00:04:35] great and accomplish things that were on
[00:04:37] my personal list?
[00:04:40] Nothing.
[00:04:41] And then I thought about, well, when I
[00:04:43] die and I go stand in front of the boss,
[00:04:47] is he going to pat me on the back and
[00:04:48] say, "Good job on all those hit songs,
[00:04:50] man. You were great. Good job. You
[00:04:53] played 4,000 concerts, man. We're we're
[00:04:56] all so happy for you." You think he
[00:04:58] really cares about that?
[00:05:00] >> He probably not. He doesn't. [laughter]
[00:05:03] >> The answer is he does not care.
[00:05:04] >> How'd that come to you?
[00:05:07] >> Um,
[00:05:09] seeing the things that go on in our
[00:05:12] country, see the seeing things that go
[00:05:14] on in our culture, seeing things that
[00:05:16] happen to people who cannot defend
[00:05:17] themselves.
[00:05:20] um whether it be kids, whether it be,
[00:05:25] you know, poor people, whoever that just
[00:05:29] get steamrolled every single day, taken
[00:05:31] advantage of, targeted, used, abused.
[00:05:34] And I thought, I'm wasting
[00:05:38] my heartbeats right now because I am
[00:05:41] capable of taking a simple idea, a
[00:05:45] simple line, and turning it into a piece
[00:05:47] of music
[00:05:49] that can penetrate tens of millions of
[00:05:51] people. And I can make them I can make
[00:05:54] them cry. I can make them jump up and
[00:05:56] down and scream and holler and and
[00:05:57] party. I can make them think. I can make
[00:06:00] them not think. I can do all kinds of I
[00:06:02] mean music is is it's the ultimate X
[00:06:05] factor. Like you can't touch it. It it
[00:06:08] music seeps in between the cracks and
[00:06:11] crevices of a person's body, mind, and
[00:06:14] soul. Like everybody's got defenses up.
[00:06:16] Everybody, you do. I do.
[00:06:18] >> Music
[00:06:20] goes right through it. It just gets
[00:06:22] through it.
[00:06:22] >> How?
[00:06:23] >> I don't know. Music is it's like magic.
[00:06:25] I mean Psalms, the entire book of Psalms
[00:06:28] is means psalms basically that David
[00:06:31] wrote and David was King David was a
[00:06:34] musician and a songwriter. And so he
[00:06:37] there was melodies to all those psalms
[00:06:40] someday. I can't wait to hear him sing
[00:06:42] what I wonder what melody he put to
[00:06:43] that. Like I've had that thought before.
[00:06:46] But he probably put it to music because
[00:06:48] he knew what I know, which is you can
[00:06:51] give a speech or you can make a
[00:06:53] statement to somebody
[00:06:55] and you can say the exact same thing
[00:06:57] with a melody wrapped around it and have
[00:06:59] two completely different outcomes. One
[00:07:02] thing music does is once it goes into
[00:07:04] you, it stays there.
[00:07:05] >> Yes.
[00:07:06] >> You'll forget a speech. You'll forget
[00:07:08] this podcast down the road. You'll
[00:07:09] forget about it.
[00:07:10] >> Like an Eddie Rabbit tune from 1978
[00:07:12] never goes away.
[00:07:13] >> That's exactly right. Exactly right. the
[00:07:16] the the earworm factor, you know, it
[00:07:19] goes deep down into your subconscious. I
[00:07:22] don't know where it goes. I have
[00:07:23] thousands of them
[00:07:24] >> in my head, but it goes deep down in
[00:07:28] there. And I just decided that I was I
[00:07:31] was disappointing
[00:07:33] the man, disappointing the Lord that he
[00:07:36] gave me this ability and then gave me a
[00:07:39] massive platform of people. I mean, tens
[00:07:41] of millions of people know my music. So,
[00:07:44] I already have their attention.
[00:07:47] So, what am I going to what am I going
[00:07:48] to feed them next? What am how am I
[00:07:50] going to what am I going to give them?
[00:07:51] Am I going to give them another party
[00:07:52] song? Am I give give them another love
[00:07:55] song?
[00:07:57] To what end? Like, what does that
[00:07:59] accomplish? Nothing. It might It might
[00:08:02] give me another plaque on the wall and I
[00:08:05] need another plaque on the wall. Like, I
[00:08:06] need a hole in the head. I walk past
[00:08:07] those plaques and go, "Eh." Like today,
[00:08:11] I do. Or I'll see pictures of me back in
[00:08:13] the day winning an award or whatever and
[00:08:15] I'll remember how I felt back then. It
[00:08:17] seems so insignificant to me now. Like
[00:08:19] shallow, insignificant,
[00:08:22] like what does that even mean? It it
[00:08:24] doesn't mean anything to me now. So
[00:08:27] success versus significance. How how do
[00:08:30] I be significant with my music and with
[00:08:32] my talent?
[00:08:35] It's writing songs. Revelation was a
[00:08:37] great example. You were the first guy to
[00:08:39] put a spotlight on that song. I flew up
[00:08:41] and saw you. We did a podcast on on that
[00:08:44] song. It resulted in millions and tens
[00:08:47] of millions actually of of views and
[00:08:50] consumption on that song. And when I go
[00:08:53] to a Big and Rich concert now, they
[00:08:55] don't generally walk up and say, "Man,
[00:08:57] I'm a big fan of your music."
[00:09:00] If they have enough guts to walk up to
[00:09:02] me and say something, which I'm always
[00:09:05] glad when they do, they say that song
[00:09:08] Revelation,
[00:09:11] he said p pulled the Bible off the shelf
[00:09:13] for the first time in 20 years after I
[00:09:14] heard that song made the hair on my arm
[00:09:17] stand up. I had three sorority girls
[00:09:19] down in Fort Worth, Texas. We had a
[00:09:21] concert down there, like 19, 20 year old
[00:09:24] girls come walking up to me and I'm
[00:09:26] like, first of all, I'm glad to still
[00:09:27] have people 19 and 20 that like my
[00:09:29] music. Yay, good for me. Um, but they
[00:09:32] came up and they said, "Mr. Rich, we
[00:09:35] heard your song Revelation." And our
[00:09:38] sorority started a Bible study on 2
[00:09:42] Thessalonians, Mark 20, uh, Matthew 24,
[00:09:45] Revelation, and Daniel. all the things
[00:09:48] that you mentioned in your Tucker
[00:09:50] interview and we've done a monthl long
[00:09:52] deep dive on that and they said
[00:09:54] everything you said in that interview is
[00:09:57] correct like that's what it says but we
[00:10:00] didn't hear that in church but that you
[00:10:02] were right that's what it said I said
[00:10:04] that that's unbelievable I said well
[00:10:07] congratulations keep going you know so
[00:10:09] it makes me think I wonder how many
[00:10:12] times that has happened and I'll never
[00:10:14] know about it because that song was
[00:10:17] significant It wasn't about success. It
[00:10:19] was I don't even have a record deal. I
[00:10:21] really can't make money on my songs
[00:10:23] anymore. There's no money to really be
[00:10:25] made on music. Everybody streams
[00:10:27] everything. There's there's it's not
[00:10:28] about any money. And because I'm not a
[00:10:31] part of the industry, nobody's going to
[00:10:32] call me up and say, "Congratulations.
[00:10:34] Here's a big number one."
[00:10:35] >> What do you mean you're not part of the
[00:10:36] industry?
[00:10:37] >> I mean, I don't have a contract with
[00:10:38] anybody in the industry. I regularly
[00:10:41] attack the industry. I call them out for
[00:10:43] for how they treat artists. and um we're
[00:10:46] not friends.
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[00:11:49] Does it matter?
[00:11:50] >> Not to me. It doesn't. I don't want them
[00:11:53] to think well of me.
[00:11:54] >> What does your agent say?
[00:11:57] >> What can they say?
[00:11:58] >> Yeah.
[00:11:59] >> What does your agent say, Tucker?
[00:12:01] >> I don't I don't have one. I'm sure you'd
[00:12:02] be appalled.
[00:12:03] >> Exactly. [laughter]
[00:12:05] Exactly. So it's no they they look at it
[00:12:07] and go
[00:12:09] and at this point they just go keep
[00:12:13] swinging the bat. I mean because it
[00:12:15] turns up opportunities that I never
[00:12:17] thought possible. Like I'll get a call
[00:12:19] and they'll say hey we want you to come
[00:12:21] speak for an hour and yeah bring your
[00:12:23] guitar and we want you to play
[00:12:25] Revelation and Earth to God. Those are
[00:12:28] the two songs we want to hear you play.
[00:12:30] Okay. Not the not the big country hits.
[00:12:33] And I'll walk into these massive places
[00:12:35] and be able to say things to these
[00:12:37] crowds that they're not going to hear in
[00:12:39] church. They're not going to read it on
[00:12:41] social media. And then there's the music
[00:12:43] factor also that comes in, which is what
[00:12:45] I love to do. And that that did not
[00:12:47] exist before I started focusing more on
[00:12:50] being significant instead of successful.
[00:12:52] >> Did you play gospel in public before
[00:12:54] this turned?
[00:12:55] >> No.
[00:12:57] >> You grew up with it? Obviously.
[00:12:58] >> I grew up with it. My dad's a preacher.
[00:13:00] Sang and played in church, but no. I
[00:13:02] mean, gospel music's never been a part
[00:13:04] of my set because when Big and Rich hit
[00:13:07] the stage, it's come into your city and
[00:13:09] save a horse, ride a cowboy, and it's
[00:13:11] all these crazy songs, you know, and
[00:13:13] that's what they come to hear and that's
[00:13:14] what we give them. But on my own,
[00:13:17] outside of Big and Rich, I have I have
[00:13:20] my own trajectory, my own homework
[00:13:22] assignment from him. And when he lays
[00:13:25] something on me to say in my music, I'm
[00:13:28] going to say it. I'm going to write it
[00:13:31] at the top of my ability. I'm going to
[00:13:33] sing it at the top of my ability.
[00:13:35] Produce a video as as well as I can
[00:13:37] possibly do. And I'm just going to stick
[00:13:38] it out there and if it's significant, it
[00:13:42] will grow its legs and it will run
[00:13:43] faster than anything I could ever do in
[00:13:45] the music industry. Revelation is the
[00:13:47] perfect example. [clears throat]
[00:13:49] >> Yeah. I mean, that that was not the kind
[00:13:51] of song your manager would tell you to
[00:13:52] write.
[00:13:52] >> No.
[00:13:54] >> How do you communicate with God?
[00:13:58] Um,
[00:14:00] we're told in the Bible to pray without
[00:14:04] ceasing,
[00:14:06] mean continually pray. It doesn't mean
[00:14:08] continually be down on your knees
[00:14:10] praying, but it means that your
[00:14:12] headspace, and we're humans, so we're
[00:14:15] not very good at this, but you're
[00:14:17] supposed to attempt to stay in a headsp
[00:14:21] space where it's an open channel. So,
[00:14:22] you're an old school guy like me. You
[00:14:24] know the old CB radios.
[00:14:26] in your truck.
[00:14:27] >> Yeah.
[00:14:28] >> And if you just put it on channel 19 and
[00:14:31] turn the volume all the way up and just
[00:14:33] start driving and you're not talking to
[00:14:35] anybody, you're just driving. Every now
[00:14:36] and then you'll hear a trucker or a
[00:14:38] conversation start happening coming
[00:14:40] through that CB and you're listening to
[00:14:41] it. It's like old it's like
[00:14:43] entertainment. You know, I wonder where
[00:14:44] they are. I wonder what they're talking
[00:14:45] about. I view praying without ceasing
[00:14:49] like your mind is like a CB radio that
[00:14:52] you just turn it all the way on and just
[00:14:53] leave it there. That way if he wants to
[00:14:56] tell you something, the channel is open
[00:14:58] and the volume's all the way up and you
[00:15:00] can't miss it. Like he'll tell you
[00:15:02] something, make you feel something, make
[00:15:04] put a thought in your head and you don't
[00:15:06] miss it. Cuz that's tough to do in life
[00:15:08] because we're running a million miles an
[00:15:10] hour and everybody's coming at us from
[00:15:12] every direction all the time.
[00:15:13] >> Yeah. There's a lot of distraction.
[00:15:14] >> It's just bop bop. It's like wasps. It's
[00:15:17] like it's like it's like hornets in your
[00:15:19] face.
[00:15:19] >> Yeah.
[00:15:20] >> And that's not going to change because
[00:15:22] that's the way things are. But if you
[00:15:24] can manage to discipline yourself to
[00:15:26] keep that channel open, you will hear
[00:15:28] things. You will learn things. He'll
[00:15:30] direct you to do things, make you he'll
[00:15:33] he'll put it in your mind to call a
[00:15:36] particular person or you'll meet
[00:15:38] somebody that you would not have met had
[00:15:41] you not gone to that place that for some
[00:15:43] weird reason you just felt compelled to
[00:15:44] go to this event or this little meeting
[00:15:47] or whatever. and you wind up meeting
[00:15:49] somebody that can really
[00:15:51] really change your life in a dramatic
[00:15:53] way and you can't believe you didn't
[00:15:54] know him your whole life. I'm sure
[00:15:55] that's happened to you.
[00:15:56] >> It has.
[00:15:58] >> So leaving that channel open, praying
[00:16:00] without ceasing is a is a huge thing.
[00:16:02] And
[00:16:02] >> so listen, obey, but it begins with
[00:16:05] prayer. How do you pray?
[00:16:08] So
[00:16:09] most Christians
[00:16:12] um think that because they are a
[00:16:16] Christian
[00:16:18] that all of God's guarantees and
[00:16:20] blessings and promises
[00:16:23] are delivered to them by default. Now it
[00:16:27] is their inheritance by default because
[00:16:29] they are a child of God. They have they
[00:16:31] have claim to the inheritance of what
[00:16:33] he's promised us. However,
[00:16:37] there's o there's only one way you
[00:16:40] actually get what it is you want. Number
[00:16:42] one, you have to belong to him for real.
[00:16:45] You can't be a cultural Christian. You
[00:16:47] can't say, "Well, I go to church every
[00:16:48] Sunday. I'm a Christian." That does not
[00:16:50] count. It doesn't mean it's bad to go to
[00:16:51] church. It means you have to be you have
[00:16:55] to look at yourself
[00:16:58] as a piece of property.
[00:17:00] It's it tells us in the New Testament,
[00:17:02] be and Paul wrote, which I know you
[00:17:04] love, Paul.
[00:17:06] We're supposed to be bondervants to
[00:17:08] Christ.
[00:17:10] Bonds slaves. Like a mule or a or a cow
[00:17:14] or a tractor or whatever. Like we don't
[00:17:17] have our own will. We don't have our own
[00:17:19] ambition. We don't have anything. We are
[00:17:22] worthless.
[00:17:25] But we devote we turn ourselves over to
[00:17:27] him and he makes you valuable. And then
[00:17:30] now he can do things with you because
[00:17:32] your entire ego and everything has been
[00:17:34] sacrificed, put put to the side and he
[00:17:37] can do something with you at that point.
[00:17:38] So that's number one, you got to be an
[00:17:40] actual real Christian. Number two,
[00:17:44] you have to pray for what you want
[00:17:46] specifically for that. So let's say you
[00:17:51] want discernment. You can't make sense
[00:17:53] of what's going on. You don't know if
[00:17:55] that's a good guy or a bad guy. Can't
[00:17:57] make up your mind. He's too ch I don't
[00:17:59] know what I'm looking at. And you want
[00:18:01] discernment. God is not just going to
[00:18:03] look down and go, John needs discernment
[00:18:06] right now. He can't figure out what's
[00:18:07] going on. Boom. John's got discernment.
[00:18:09] That's not how it works. I have to ask
[00:18:13] him to give me discernment. I have to
[00:18:16] say, you promise me that you will give
[00:18:18] me discernment. I'm asking you to now
[00:18:21] give it to me. That's step two. And then
[00:18:23] step three is he will give you what
[00:18:26] you're asking for if it serves his will.
[00:18:31] That's totally up to him. So for
[00:18:33] instance, let's say let's say I'm in a
[00:18:36] really
[00:18:38] bad state of mind and I need peace. Like
[00:18:40] I don't have peace. I'm I'm unsettled
[00:18:43] and I belong to Jesus. I ask him to give
[00:18:46] me peace. Now he's got to give me peace
[00:18:49] if it serves his will. Well, if he
[00:18:51] doesn't give me peace, which has
[00:18:53] happened, I go, why are you not giving
[00:18:57] me that? Cuz I don't I don't feel
[00:18:59] peaceful.
[00:19:01] Sometimes he wants you to be in this
[00:19:03] mode.
[00:19:05] He wants you to be in that mode because
[00:19:06] he's got something that's going to
[00:19:08] require that element of you to
[00:19:11] accomplish whatever it is he's trying to
[00:19:13] get done.
[00:19:13] >> What's that mode?
[00:19:14] >> That's fight mode. That's offense.
[00:19:17] That's offense mode. That is there's the
[00:19:20] target. Hit the target.
[00:19:22] That's what that is. It could be a
[00:19:24] subject. It could be a situation that's
[00:19:26] going on. Whatever it is, it's offense.
[00:19:29] Christians in large part remain on
[00:19:31] defense, defense, defense, defense all
[00:19:34] the time. They don't want to engage. And
[00:19:37] I guess they they they forget about the
[00:19:39] story of Jesus walking into the temple
[00:19:41] when it was completely overrun by
[00:19:43] hypocrites and people doing business and
[00:19:45] changing money. And I mean, just turn it
[00:19:47] into a a bank. Basically, Jesus walked
[00:19:51] in there and sees this going on. And if
[00:19:54] if Jesus was a modern-day cultural
[00:19:56] Christian, you know what he would have
[00:19:57] done? Turned around and walked out cuz
[00:20:01] he'd have said, "Well, that place has
[00:20:03] gone straight to hell, right? Okay, I
[00:20:05] don't want to I don't want to deal with
[00:20:06] that."
[00:20:07] >> That's what he would have done. But
[00:20:08] that's not what he did.
[00:20:11] He walked on in there. It says he took
[00:20:13] he fashioned a whip with rope. He
[00:20:16] braided a whip together, called them
[00:20:19] sons of vipers, which I would guess in
[00:20:22] Hebrew was probably cuss words back in
[00:20:24] the day.
[00:20:25] >> Sounds like
[00:20:25] >> Jesus probably ripped a few cuss words
[00:20:27] on these guys, and then flipped the
[00:20:29] tables over and started whipping them
[00:20:31] and ran them out of the temple.
[00:20:34] >> That's pretty serious offense, don't you
[00:20:36] think?
[00:20:37] >> Yeah, I'd say. and he's the son of God
[00:20:39] and he's the example that we are
[00:20:41] supposed to live up to. That doesn't
[00:20:42] mean you stay in that mode all the time.
[00:20:44] But there is there are situations that
[00:20:47] arise where Christians have got to put
[00:20:50] their dukes up and you don't hunt us.
[00:20:53] We're coming for you now. No, you run.
[00:20:57] We're not running. You run.
[00:21:00] That's what's missing uh in in American
[00:21:03] Christianity.
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[00:22:39] >> why is it missing?
[00:22:40] >> Yes. Like, how did we get that? Wasn't
[00:22:42] always true.
[00:22:44] >> Probably because Christians in in
[00:22:46] America especially have not experienced
[00:22:49] actual persecution ever. Not actual
[00:22:52] persecution, not like what they go
[00:22:54] through in North Korea, Syria, China,
[00:22:56] Uganda, all these other places where
[00:22:58] they literally get cut into bits in the
[00:23:01] streets and they kill their families and
[00:23:02] burn their houses down and you we all
[00:23:04] know what happens. They're Christians,
[00:23:06] too, right?
[00:23:08] >> Yeah.
[00:23:08] >> Right. Well, we haven't gone through
[00:23:10] anything like that in America. And I
[00:23:11] think Christians have been I think I
[00:23:14] think the Joel Osteins of the world have
[00:23:18] created in their ministries this
[00:23:20] lukewarm
[00:23:22] pablum baby food that they serve up to
[00:23:26] their congregations week in and week
[00:23:28] out. They grow up eating baby food. They
[00:23:31] have no muscle. They have no backbone.
[00:23:33] They have no they have no constitution.
[00:23:36] They have no fight in them whatsoever.
[00:23:39] None.
[00:23:41] because they don't understand the Bible
[00:23:43] well enough and have and have digested
[00:23:45] it and given themselves over to it
[00:23:48] because their preacher never talks about
[00:23:50] it. He won't bring it up. And why not?
[00:23:53] Because it's uncomfortable to hear those
[00:23:55] things. Christians don't want to hear
[00:23:57] that they will be persecuted at some
[00:24:00] point if they do it correctly. Jesus
[00:24:02] said basically they if they hate you,
[00:24:05] just remember they hated me first.
[00:24:08] I mean, they crucified me. What are they
[00:24:10] going to do to you? Get ready. If you're
[00:24:13] the real McCoy, get ready. And
[00:24:15] Christians don't want to hear that. That
[00:24:17] doesn't keep the church full. That
[00:24:18] doesn't keep the the offering plates
[00:24:20] full. That doesn't keep the donations
[00:24:22] and the estate plans that go to these
[00:24:23] churches. That doesn't keep that going.
[00:24:26] They want the easy message because it
[00:24:28] allows them in their mind a way to not
[00:24:31] have to engage the devil and his people
[00:24:34] and his armies. And so what you have is
[00:24:37] a whole rack of of weak Christians that
[00:24:41] are constantly being attacked by a
[00:24:44] totally dedicated force of wickedness.
[00:24:47] Totally dedicated.
[00:24:48] >> What you mean dedicated?
[00:24:50] >> I mean they pray to their they pray to
[00:24:51] their daddy for real.
[00:24:54] I mean they are dedicated. They dedicate
[00:24:56] their lives to him and they do what he
[00:24:58] says and they look for ways to serve.
[00:25:00] >> What what signs do you see of that?
[00:25:02] >> Well, watch what's going on in the
[00:25:04] world. Does it seem like sane people
[00:25:06] >> no
[00:25:06] >> would do a lot of the stuff that we see
[00:25:08] going on these days? No.
[00:25:09] >> No. Right. So, they are being controlled
[00:25:11] and carrying out the will of their
[00:25:13] father, the father of lies. And we're
[00:25:16] supposed to carry out the will of our
[00:25:17] father who created their father. And
[00:25:20] that's not even a fair fight. So, the
[00:25:22] Christians are standing on the side of
[00:25:24] an insurmountable, undefeable
[00:25:27] God, the Lord, who could wipe out the
[00:25:31] universe with a blink.
[00:25:34] That's who we serve. Yet, we stand out
[00:25:37] here and run and hide and go, "Please
[00:25:41] don't come to my house. Please don't
[00:25:42] attack me, Mr. Bad Guy. Mr. Wicked Man,
[00:25:45] Mr. Mr. You belong to the devil. Oh, no.
[00:25:47] No. I don't want I don't want to hear
[00:25:48] it. I don't want to see it." And because
[00:25:50] of that attitude, our country is
[00:25:54] completely compromised at this point
[00:25:58] because of weak Christians.
[00:26:01] What are the signs that someone is
[00:26:02] dedicated to dark forces
[00:26:07] >> that
[00:26:07] >> not just mis not just mistaken misguided
[00:26:10] like who is who is actually an agent of
[00:26:13] evil? How do you know that?
[00:26:14] >> That their that their every thought and
[00:26:16] action is completely counter to what God
[00:26:19] created them to be.
[00:26:23] Completely counter
[00:26:25] that they are
[00:26:26] >> So they're at war with God's creation
[00:26:27] with nature.
[00:26:28] >> That's correct. Why do you think they
[00:26:29] come after kids? I mean,
[00:26:33] in the New Testament, it says that
[00:26:35] children have angels
[00:26:38] that that report back to God on behalf
[00:26:42] of the kids. Like, they have their own
[00:26:44] protection. And and probably the most
[00:26:47] hardcore thing Jesus ever said was,
[00:26:51] "You'd be better off to have a millstone
[00:26:53] tied around your neck and cast into the
[00:26:54] sea than ever cause one of these little
[00:26:56] ones to stumble.
[00:26:59] Not to rape them, not to murder them,
[00:27:02] not to traffic them, not to slap them
[00:27:04] around, to cause them to stumble,
[00:27:06] meaning to mess with them at all, to
[00:27:09] mess with their innocence in any way,
[00:27:12] shape, or form. You'd be better off dead
[00:27:15] than for that to happen. The son of God
[00:27:18] said that.
[00:27:20] The guy who we follow,
[00:27:22] >> the guy who we're supposed to emulate
[00:27:23] and try to live up to his example,
[00:27:25] >> Yeah. That was part of what he said. A
[00:27:28] lot of Christians are also under under
[00:27:30] this just
[00:27:33] total fabrication.
[00:27:36] God loves everybody.
[00:27:39] I've heard that so many times. Well, God
[00:27:41] loves everybody.
[00:27:43] It does not say that anywhere in the
[00:27:45] Bible that God loves everybody. Matter
[00:27:47] of fact, when you go to Proverbs 6,
[00:27:51] it says, "These things doth the Lord,
[00:27:55] all caps, hate." Use the word hate. And
[00:27:58] the first thing it it lists is those
[00:28:00] whose feet are swift to shed innocent
[00:28:03] blood. He hates them. And then you've
[00:28:07] got the the issue of, "Well, but the
[00:28:09] Bible says we're supposed to pray for
[00:28:11] our enemies." And it does say that.
[00:28:13] >> Oh, yeah. It says, "Pray for your
[00:28:14] enemies, not pray for God's enemies."
[00:28:17] Two different enemies.
[00:28:20] Don't pray for pedophiles,
[00:28:22] for instance. Those are God's enemies.
[00:28:24] They're their feet are swift to shed
[00:28:26] innocent blood. He's who they were
[00:28:29] talking who we talked about in the New
[00:28:30] Testament. You don't pray for those
[00:28:32] people. You go to war against those
[00:28:34] people. You come straight at them. You
[00:28:37] do what Jesus would do to them.
[00:28:41] You see the difference?
[00:28:43] This is not preached in churches. Maybe
[00:28:45] there's a few that preachers actually
[00:28:47] talk like this, but Americans want a
[00:28:51] Jesus made in their image, not actually
[00:28:55] who he actually was. Because who he
[00:28:57] actually was and is and what he told us
[00:29:00] to do are very difficult things that put
[00:29:02] you in compromised positions every
[00:29:05] single day if you do what he actually
[00:29:08] told you to do. And most people are not
[00:29:09] willing to do that
[00:29:10] >> because it's just counter to what the
[00:29:12] world demands.
[00:29:13] >> Just Yeah. I mean, they're going to get
[00:29:14] attacked. They're going to get
[00:29:15] persecuted. They're going to all kinds
[00:29:17] of things is going to happen.
[00:29:19] >> Why the um You said people who destroy
[00:29:23] innocence.
[00:29:24] >> People whose feet people whose feet are
[00:29:27] swift to shed innocent blood does the
[00:29:29] Lord hate.
[00:29:32] >> Why the impulse to shed innocent blood?
[00:29:36] Like what is that? I I think that
[00:29:41] the wicked people of this earth believe
[00:29:45] that they can inflict the most pain
[00:29:48] on the father and the son by hurting the
[00:29:53] thing that they love the most, which is
[00:29:55] the innocent child.
[00:29:57] >> Yes.
[00:29:58] >> And so in their minds, that's how we
[00:30:01] hurt him the most. That's how we get the
[00:30:03] most tears out of his face. That's how
[00:30:05] we get him to weep. That's how we
[00:30:08] torture him and bring anguish to God is
[00:30:12] by hurting the kids because we know
[00:30:15] that's who he loves the most because we
[00:30:16] know what he said about it. He said we'd
[00:30:18] be better off dead than to do that.
[00:30:20] That's how we felt about it. So that's
[00:30:22] who we're going to go after.
[00:30:25] How I mean, how
[00:30:31] how demented is that? How how how
[00:30:34] purposefully wicked is that tactic?
[00:30:39] Think about that.
[00:30:40] >> Yeah. I mean, the explanation that we
[00:30:42] get is that it's like some kind of
[00:30:44] clinical disorder. Most people are not,
[00:30:46] you know, have no desire to do that. The
[00:30:47] average person has no desire to hurt a
[00:30:49] child, be sexual in any way.
[00:30:52] >> Demons do.
[00:30:53] >> Well, that's it. But then we're told,
[00:30:54] well, the the the psychological
[00:30:56] explanation, well, there really isn't
[00:30:58] one, but they're like disordered.
[00:31:00] >> But you're saying it's a kind of ritual.
[00:31:01] I'm saying that they're possessed by
[00:31:05] they're possessed by spirits that want
[00:31:08] that are have waged war against God
[00:31:09] since day one. And that the way that
[00:31:12] they can cause him the most pain
[00:31:15] is by inhabiting human beings and
[00:31:17] turning and twisting them into such a
[00:31:19] knot that that they are that much of a
[00:31:21] degenerate now, that much of a reprobate
[00:31:23] now that they will carry out that
[00:31:25] mission.
[00:31:27] That's what I'm saying. Just like on the
[00:31:29] other side when you see a real Christian
[00:31:31] come straight at you with something like
[00:31:34] Charlie Kirk for instance.
[00:31:36] Okay, that's not normal either. That's
[00:31:39] outside the capacity of a human being to
[00:31:42] do what he was doing. That nobody's
[00:31:44] built for that.
[00:31:46] >> That requires being possess. Christians
[00:31:48] are possessed by the Holy Spirit. We are
[00:31:52] possessed by that. And so if you're
[00:31:55] possessed by that, it's no longer Tucker
[00:31:58] making a move or John Rich making a move
[00:32:00] or whatever. When you really walk in on
[00:32:02] something and you claim the Holy Spirit
[00:32:04] and you claim you claim what you're
[00:32:07] promised, the armor of God, for
[00:32:09] instance, which there's only one
[00:32:11] offensive weapon in the armor of God.
[00:32:14] Everything is defensive. Oh, by the way,
[00:32:16] nothing guards your back. There's
[00:32:18] nothing there's nothing in the armor of
[00:32:20] God that goes on the back. It's all in
[00:32:22] the front. It's the helmet. It's the
[00:32:24] It's the shield. It's the It's the
[00:32:26] girding of the legs. It's the It's the
[00:32:28] shoes. It's all that. But the offensive
[00:32:30] weapon is the sword. And it says that um
[00:32:34] the sword is the word of God. That's the
[00:32:36] word. That's the scripture. And that
[00:32:38] it's sharper than any two-edged sword,
[00:32:40] dividing even between the spirit and the
[00:32:43] soul and the joints and the bones. And
[00:32:46] that it divides. And that's another
[00:32:48] misconception that a lot of Christians
[00:32:50] have is that Jesus wants everybody to to
[00:32:52] get along. He did not say that. Jesus
[00:32:55] said, "I came to not to bring peace, but
[00:32:58] to bring a sword
[00:33:00] >> to divide mother against father, father
[00:33:02] against son, brother against brother."
[00:33:04] Because when the truth really drops,
[00:33:07] >> there is no metal anymore. It's a clean
[00:33:09] cut and it's this and that and that is
[00:33:11] it. That is it.
[00:33:14] This is all in there, but Christians
[00:33:18] just can't seem to get their head
[00:33:20] wrapped around it to a large degree. And
[00:33:22] and I I believe that stems from the
[00:33:24] churches in general just refuse to go
[00:33:27] there. And so, if you're a Christian
[00:33:29] watching this interview and you're
[00:33:32] starting to get keyed up about what I'm
[00:33:33] saying, good. I'm glad you're getting
[00:33:34] keyed up. Why don't you pick up the
[00:33:36] Bible and read exactly what it says
[00:33:38] without your preacher, without your
[00:33:40] Bible group, without anybody, and just
[00:33:42] read what it says? That's good advice
[00:33:44] right there. Read it.
[00:33:44] >> It's good advice.
[00:33:45] >> Yes.
[00:33:46] >> Have it Have it speak to you directly
[00:33:47] and just see what it says.
[00:33:48] >> Read what it says and go, "Wow." Okay.
[00:33:51] Read the examples that are laid out by
[00:33:53] the people God thought the most of. Go
[00:33:56] read about Steven who was stoned to
[00:33:59] death in the New Testament as as Paul,
[00:34:01] who was then Saul, is holding the coats
[00:34:03] of the men who were stoning Steven to
[00:34:05] death. Um, and not long after that, Paul
[00:34:09] had his road to Damascus event. And then
[00:34:10] he went on and all these churches popped
[00:34:12] up and he wrote half the New Testament.
[00:34:15] Nobody wants to get stoned to death.
[00:34:18] Nobody wants to get shot in the throat
[00:34:19] with a 30 odd six, do they? No. We do
[00:34:23] not want that as human beings. We do not
[00:34:25] want that.
[00:34:27] But it tells us to go forward, not
[00:34:30] backward, forward. We don't retreat from
[00:34:32] the devil. He is so weak and his people
[00:34:35] are so weak in the face of who God
[00:34:38] really is and who God's real people are.
[00:34:40] He has no chance at all to succeed. The
[00:34:45] only way he succeeds is that those
[00:34:47] people won't engage. It's a one-way
[00:34:50] fight
[00:34:52] and I'm just not going to be a part of
[00:34:53] that.
[00:34:54] >> Christmas season is here and although
[00:34:55] it's a bit of a cliche, it really is
[00:34:57] important to keep Christ in Christmas.
[00:34:59] Should we focus on cookies and presents
[00:35:01] or on the reason we're doing this, which
[00:35:04] is Jesus? Obviously, the point is Jesus.
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[00:36:03] >> In the New Testament, I think all the
[00:36:05] disciples are certainly the majority or
[00:36:07] the ones whose fates we know, none of
[00:36:10] them wound up on Corfu in retirement.
[00:36:13] >> No,
[00:36:13] >> they all got killed.
[00:36:14] >> They all got killed or exiled or
[00:36:16] imprisoned for life or Yeah. Yeah.
[00:36:18] >> So, what does that tell us? I mean, you
[00:36:20] just said that God always wins, but it
[00:36:22] sounds like his his, you know, arms and
[00:36:26] legs, the people who are representing
[00:36:28] him. Well, what God considers a win and
[00:36:30] what we consider a win might be two
[00:36:32] different things,
[00:36:35] >> right? Yeah.
[00:36:36] >> What God considers a win is that people
[00:36:38] convert and repent and give their lives
[00:36:41] to him. That's a win. That's the real
[00:36:43] win. That's the win. That's the biggest
[00:36:46] win. He it it says uh the Lord the Lord
[00:36:49] wishes that no one go to hell. No one.
[00:36:52] He doesn't want anybody to be separated
[00:36:54] from him. It's his creation.
[00:36:57] He wishes that no one has that fate. But
[00:37:00] he gives you free will. You're not a
[00:37:03] robot. You can you can pick whichever
[00:37:06] side you want to go. You can follow the
[00:37:08] route you're going to follow. And you're
[00:37:09] going to wind up in eternity with
[00:37:11] whoever it is you followed. It's as
[00:37:13] simple as that. you're going to live in
[00:37:15] your daddy's house, whoever that is.
[00:37:19] >> Where do you think the country's going?
[00:37:23] >> Well, there are some positive signs. Um,
[00:37:27] for instance, my two sons, they're 14
[00:37:30] and almost 16, and
[00:37:34] there is a resurgence of
[00:37:37] um interest and and true passion about
[00:37:42] learning who God is. What does God want
[00:37:45] me to do with my life? Reading their
[00:37:47] Bibles, having their own Bible studies.
[00:37:49] I mean, teenagers having their own Bible
[00:37:52] studies. That's happening all over the
[00:37:54] US right now. I mean, that's a big deal.
[00:38:00] That's a big deal. And and and they are
[00:38:02] they are very wise for their age because
[00:38:04] they have been through so many lies and
[00:38:07] seen the lies debunked. Yeah. And
[00:38:08] realized, oh,
[00:38:10] >> they're not telling me the truth on
[00:38:12] television.
[00:38:12] >> No, they're not. Oh, that politician
[00:38:14] that that was not true. Oh, they uh they
[00:38:17] took two years away from us in school
[00:38:19] and made us all wear masks and told us
[00:38:20] told our parents if they didn't get
[00:38:22] vaccines that they would lose their
[00:38:24] jobs. And so my parents took the vaccine
[00:38:26] and now one of them's got myocarditis
[00:38:28] and the other one can't breathe
[00:38:30] or my parents didn't take the vaccine
[00:38:32] and they both lost their jobs. Like they
[00:38:34] watched the US government brutalize
[00:38:36] their families and them.
[00:38:39] They watched it. They lived through it
[00:38:41] and it imprinted on them in a major way.
[00:38:43] And so now they're coming out of that
[00:38:45] and they're starting to get older and
[00:38:46] they're going to be moving out of the
[00:38:47] house, this generation I'm talking
[00:38:48] about. And they want to know what the
[00:38:52] real truth is. They know they've been
[00:38:53] lied to for pretty much their whole
[00:38:56] lives. And they're sick of it. And they
[00:38:58] want to know what the truth is. And
[00:39:00] thank goodness they're realizing the
[00:39:01] only infallible truth is in the pages of
[00:39:04] the Bible. That's it. Not what the
[00:39:06] preacher says, not what I say or you say
[00:39:08] or the president says. Uh what's in this
[00:39:11] book, that is my life plan. This is my
[00:39:14] blueprint. They really do feel that way
[00:39:17] about it. And that's that's a very
[00:39:19] encouraging thing to me.
[00:39:20] >> I think a lot of people have a gut level
[00:39:22] sense that trouble's coming
[00:39:25] >> 100%. It's going to have to
[00:39:29] trouble has to come.
[00:39:30] >> Why?
[00:39:32] Because
[00:39:34] if you if you look back over the history
[00:39:36] of the written word of of God, let's
[00:39:38] let's call it what what's what's the
[00:39:40] Lord's MO? What's his modus operendi?
[00:39:42] How has he done it in the past? That's
[00:39:45] really important to know because he says
[00:39:48] I am the same yesterday, today, and
[00:39:50] forever. My word does not change. He
[00:39:52] does not change. We change. Culture
[00:39:54] changes. He does not.
[00:39:57] So if you look at for instance
[00:40:01] this stat. So I started working with DHS
[00:40:07] with their cyber predator sting units.
[00:40:13] Okay. because I saw a little
[00:40:16] presentation was done with my wife and
[00:40:18] my older son with like 30 30 boys and a
[00:40:21] DHS agent came in and he's telling these
[00:40:24] boys
[00:40:26] how these predators can get them on
[00:40:28] their phones like how they can track
[00:40:29] them, how they talk to them, how they uh
[00:40:32] present themselves as a I'm a I'm a
[00:40:34] 15year-old girl. I'm a cheerleader. I go
[00:40:36] to school right down the road from you
[00:40:38] and here's a picture of this pretty girl
[00:40:40] here. I'll send you a picture of me in a
[00:40:42] bikini. you send me a picture, blah blah
[00:40:44] blah. And they start this whole thing.
[00:40:46] And then once they've got them, then
[00:40:48] they say, "Yeah, I'm not a 14-y old
[00:40:49] girl. I'm a 55-year-old man in
[00:40:51] Cleveland, Ohio, and here's here's your
[00:40:53] dad's name, your mom's name, here's all
[00:40:55] your siblings names. Here's your home
[00:40:57] address. Here's where you go to school.
[00:40:58] And if you don't do XYZ, I'm going to
[00:41:01] show up there tomorrow and kill
[00:41:02] everybody in your family
[00:41:05] >> or show them the pictures." Yeah.
[00:41:09] >> Yes. And then the kid is in this
[00:41:11] position of what do I do? What do I do?
[00:41:14] And then sometimes they'll go and
[00:41:15] they're told to meet this guy at a park
[00:41:17] or meet him at a store, a gas station or
[00:41:19] whatever and you never see him again. So
[00:41:22] >> my wife and son saw this one-hour little
[00:41:25] seminar from this guy and came home and
[00:41:27] my son pulls his phone out and starts
[00:41:29] changing the settings on his phone,
[00:41:32] deleting apps, certain apps that he had
[00:41:34] gone. That one's gone. No, that one's
[00:41:36] gone. because this guy's telling him,
[00:41:38] "Get this stuff off your phones." So,
[00:41:41] I'm like, "What in the world did this
[00:41:42] guy say?" And so, my wife starts telling
[00:41:44] me what all he said. And I said, "My
[00:41:46] god, that needs to be heard by every
[00:41:48] parent in America." I said, "What was
[00:41:50] the agent's name?" And she actually had
[00:41:51] a business card on this guy. And so, I
[00:41:55] emailed him and I said, "Hey, agent
[00:41:58] soandso.
[00:41:59] This is John Rich. you just had this
[00:42:01] seminar with my wife and son and that
[00:42:03] message needs to be heard by every
[00:42:05] parent in America. How can we make that
[00:42:07] happen? And he goes, "Hey John, nice to
[00:42:09] meet you. That's above my pay grade." I
[00:42:10] said, "Well, send me up to somebody that
[00:42:11] it ain't above their pay grade." So he
[00:42:14] goes, "Okay." So he sends me to their
[00:42:16] regional director, a guy named Dennis
[00:42:17] Fetting, agent Fetting.
[00:42:20] And I told him, I said, "You guys are
[00:42:23] doing a horrible job marketing this
[00:42:25] message. I'm glad that you go to the
[00:42:27] school. I'm glad that you'll go to the
[00:42:29] church. I'm glad that you'll go to the
[00:42:30] to the youth group. That is admirable
[00:42:32] and great, but you're throwing a
[00:42:34] snowball at a brick wall. I said, why
[00:42:37] don't you work with me and let's put you
[00:42:40] on live stream live on X and promote it
[00:42:43] for two or three weeks and do the exact
[00:42:45] same thing you just did there, but let's
[00:42:47] do it in front of millions of people.
[00:42:48] >> Great idea.
[00:42:49] >> That's what he said. He goes, "Well, we
[00:42:51] never thought of that." Well, of course
[00:42:52] not. They're not marketers, you know? I
[00:42:54] mean, that's what I do.
[00:42:56] So we shook hands, civilian and federal
[00:42:59] government shook hands, got all the way
[00:43:02] up to Secretary Gnome and she said, "Do
[00:43:05] it." Great green light. So we did that
[00:43:08] sit down and to date it's somewhere
[00:43:10] around 9 million views has been seen now
[00:43:13] for parents. And I get it all the time
[00:43:15] parents hitting me up going, "We changed
[00:43:17] everything on our kids' phones after we
[00:43:19] saw that. We made their accounts
[00:43:21] private. We got rid of these apps. We
[00:43:23] got rid of blah blah blah because
[00:43:25] you would literally do anything as a
[00:43:27] parent to keep a bad guy, a predator
[00:43:30] from coming into your house at night and
[00:43:32] stealing your kid. Oh gosh. Out of their
[00:43:34] bedroom, wouldn't you, Tucker? Yes, I
[00:43:35] would.
[00:43:36] >> You'd rip their throat out with your
[00:43:37] bare teeth if that's all you had.
[00:43:39] >> Sleep for eight hours.
[00:43:39] >> They would die.
[00:43:40] >> Yep.
[00:43:41] >> They would die.
[00:43:43] >> They just would.
[00:43:46] But they're getting to your kids as
[00:43:49] you're sitting there watching the news
[00:43:50] or football and your kids back there on
[00:43:52] their iPhone on some app talking to
[00:43:54] somebody they think is one person but
[00:43:56] it's somebody else and they're getting
[00:43:58] them right there inside your house and
[00:43:59] you don't even know it.
[00:44:02] You're derelict on your duty as the
[00:44:04] parent because you're just ignorant of
[00:44:06] the fact that this is what's going on.
[00:44:08] So that started me down a road of
[00:44:11] significance in that in that sector um
[00:44:15] of educating parents and blowing the
[00:44:18] whistle on what the bad guys do.
[00:44:21] The DHS told me that last year there
[00:44:25] were 36 million reports that came in to
[00:44:30] them on kids that had been targeted
[00:44:33] online. 36 million in one year. So
[00:44:36] averaging three million a month
[00:44:39] >> in the United States.
[00:44:40] >> In the United States,
[00:44:42] >> that's like every child, right?
[00:44:43] >> Three million a month. And they said,
[00:44:46] "We don't have there's there's no way we
[00:44:49] can com combat that. We go get as many
[00:44:51] of them as we can." But I mean, it's
[00:44:54] literally that's how big the problem is.
[00:44:56] So back to your question, why
[00:45:00] why does trouble have to come to this
[00:45:01] country?
[00:45:03] Because God is not going to put up with
[00:45:04] that.
[00:45:06] And he doesn't bring trouble on a
[00:45:09] country because the devil's people are
[00:45:12] being devilish. He brings trouble on a
[00:45:14] country because his people refuse to
[00:45:17] engage.
[00:45:20] 2 Coronicles says, "If my people who are
[00:45:24] called by my name will humble themselves
[00:45:27] and turn from their wicked ways, I will
[00:45:31] come and heal their land." He didn't
[00:45:32] say, "If the devil's people,"
[00:45:34] >> right? He said, "If my people,"
[00:45:37] >> there's not a lot of emphasis on that.
[00:45:39] There's a lot of emphasis on what other
[00:45:42] people are doing wrong.
[00:45:44] It emphasis on the bad people, on the
[00:45:46] existence of evil. I've certainly spent
[00:45:48] a lot of time thinking and talking about
[00:45:49] that, but very little conversation about
[00:45:52] how we're part of the problem.
[00:45:54] >> Mhm. Christians don't want to hear that.
[00:45:57] You think they'd come back to church
[00:45:58] next Sunday if you if you impugn the
[00:46:00] entire congre congregation, including
[00:46:02] yourself?
[00:46:03] >> I do. I do. think they'd come back.
[00:46:04] Yeah. I mean, that was that that's the
[00:46:07] biblical message, right? Isn't that what
[00:46:09] John the Baptist said
[00:46:10] >> as he wandered around the desert, repent
[00:46:13] >> and Jesus to repent?
[00:46:14] >> Yes.
[00:46:15] >> And it worked.
[00:46:17] >> Maybe the churches will turn back to
[00:46:19] that.
[00:46:21] But if they don't, he is he is going to
[00:46:24] h if we won't humble ourselves, then he
[00:46:26] is going to humble us. He will do it
[00:46:29] >> for our own good.
[00:46:30] >> How does that work?
[00:46:32] Go ask Moses how it worked out for him
[00:46:35] when he got humbled. I mean, all Ask
[00:46:37] David how it worked out when he got
[00:46:39] humbled. King David went out there and
[00:46:42] yay, he killed Goliath. Man, that was
[00:46:44] awesome. He was doing good. And then he
[00:46:47] becomes king and he sees this gorgeous
[00:46:49] woman taking a bath on her rooftop and
[00:46:51] he goes, "Wow, who's that?" They go,
[00:46:53] "Oh, that's uh that's Basheba."
[00:46:57] He goes, "Who's she married to?" uh
[00:47:00] she's married to one of your one of your
[00:47:02] uh main uh generals in the army, Uriah.
[00:47:05] He goes, "She's married to Uriah?" Yeah.
[00:47:08] He goes, "I tell you what, when we take
[00:47:10] the Philistines on here in the next
[00:47:12] couple of weeks, they had a battle
[00:47:13] coming up. Put Uriah on the front line
[00:47:17] so he'll die
[00:47:18] >> and then withdraw support from him so
[00:47:20] he's alone."
[00:47:21] >> He got killed.
[00:47:22] >> Yeah.
[00:47:22] >> And then David took his wife. David took
[00:47:25] his wife after he had him basically
[00:47:27] murdered.
[00:47:29] and Basheba got pregnant. Then a prophet
[00:47:32] came to David and he said, "God knows
[00:47:35] what you've done. He knows what you've
[00:47:37] done and he sent me to tell you that
[00:47:40] that child will not be born alive. He's
[00:47:42] taking your child from you.
[00:47:44] That's your punishment."
[00:47:47] And that and David just went into an
[00:47:49] absolute tail spin. I mean, it said
[00:47:52] covered himself in sackcloth and ashes,
[00:47:54] ripped his beard out. I mean, he was
[00:47:56] just writhing around in the street as
[00:47:59] the king of Israel at that point because
[00:48:02] he realized the the
[00:48:05] immense nature of sin that he had
[00:48:08] committed
[00:48:09] >> his sin.
[00:48:09] >> Yes. Yes. And God loved him. Da David is
[00:48:13] the only man in the Bible that God says
[00:48:15] is a man after my own heart. I mean, the
[00:48:17] greatest compliment you could get from
[00:48:18] God. Yes.
[00:48:20] >> But David still did that and God brought
[00:48:23] him low. He humbled him.
[00:48:25] in a major way. And so if we look at the
[00:48:28] history of God and what his MO has
[00:48:30] always been when his people wi refuse to
[00:48:34] do what he's telling them to do and they
[00:48:36] stand back and let the devil just run
[00:48:38] right over them over and over and by and
[00:48:40] by doing so allow tens of millions of
[00:48:43] kids to be harmed or worse because
[00:48:48] Christians, God God's people refuse to
[00:48:50] engage a situation. You're damn right
[00:48:53] he's going to humble us and I can't
[00:48:55] wait.
[00:48:56] >> You can't wait for the country to be
[00:48:58] humbled.
[00:48:58] >> Bring it because I don't want to live in
[00:49:01] a country that allows that kind of thing
[00:49:03] to happen. I don't want to live in a
[00:49:05] place like that. That that is the most
[00:49:07] abhorrent thing you can possibly
[00:49:09] imagine.
[00:49:10] >> But there's a lot of suffering on the
[00:49:11] way from here to humility.
[00:49:13] >> 100%. Pain.
[00:49:16] Pain is the greatest teacher. Pain. pain
[00:49:18] is. I mean, he made the Israelites
[00:49:20] wander around out in the wilderness for
[00:49:21] 40 years. Moses didn't even get to go
[00:49:23] into the promised land because he sinned
[00:49:25] and that was his punishment. You can go
[00:49:27] down the list. All of them did
[00:49:28] something. I mean, they're just humans.
[00:49:31] But he gives you he I've said this
[00:49:34] before. If God really loves you, he'll
[00:49:36] only slap your teeth out instead of your
[00:49:39] brains.
[00:49:41] If he really cares about you and you're
[00:49:43] a dad, I'm a dad. If our kids when
[00:49:46] they're little, they're playing out in
[00:49:48] the road throw going a baseball around
[00:49:50] or whatever and you go out there and
[00:49:52] they're boys, you can't be playing in
[00:49:54] the street. Come on back in the yard.
[00:49:56] Okay, Dad. And the very next day they're
[00:49:59] back out in the street throwing the
[00:50:00] baseball again. Are you going to have
[00:50:01] the same demeanor this time? No.
[00:50:03] >> No.
[00:50:04] >> You're going to intensify and you're
[00:50:06] going to go, "Boys, I told you." And
[00:50:07] you're going to grab one of them by the
[00:50:08] shirt and you're going to march them
[00:50:09] back into the yard. And then the next
[00:50:12] week they're out in the street throwing
[00:50:13] the baseball around again and cars are
[00:50:16] zipping by. And now what are you going
[00:50:17] to do? Now we're going to enter the
[00:50:20] phase of pain.
[00:50:21] >> The spanking zone.
[00:50:22] >> Something's going to happen that
[00:50:25] they're not going to want it to happen
[00:50:26] again. And why are you doing that?
[00:50:29] You're doing that so they don't get hit
[00:50:31] by a car and die. You're doing it to
[00:50:36] protect them from themselves because
[00:50:38] they're not listening and they're not
[00:50:40] doing what it is you're telling them to
[00:50:42] do. And it's not an ego trip that you're
[00:50:44] punishing them. It's for their own good.
[00:50:46] You can tell the kid his whole life,
[00:50:48] "Don't put your hand on that stove, son,
[00:50:49] or it will burn your hand." He will not
[00:50:52] believe you until one day he lays his
[00:50:53] hand on that stove and takes the skin
[00:50:56] off his hand. That's correct. And he'll
[00:50:57] never touch it again,
[00:50:59] >> will he? He'll ne or like a go-kart, you
[00:51:02] know, the exhaust on a go-kart sitting
[00:51:04] out there. Yeah.
[00:51:05] >> Yeah. And you tell your kids, "Don't
[00:51:07] touch don't touch that. That thing is
[00:51:08] blazing hot. You can fry egg on that."
[00:51:11] >> My son,
[00:51:13] >> he was about nine,
[00:51:14] >> laid his hand down on that. And I had to
[00:51:16] go to the hospital and scrape all the
[00:51:18] skin off. It was horrible. And he never
[00:51:20] did that again.
[00:51:21] >> Right. So
[00:51:24] that's what Christians, I believe, can
[00:51:25] expect in the future.
[00:51:27] >> Have you experienced? Have you been
[00:51:28] humbled?
[00:51:28] >> Oh, good grief.
[00:51:30] Yes,
[00:51:32] tremendously many times because I'm a
[00:51:35] very stiff- necked
[00:51:37] uh
[00:51:39] I would say it's a battle for me toh
[00:51:43] sacrifice my self-confidence and
[00:51:45] arrogance and my uh alpha male attitude.
[00:51:50] That that is my biggest thing is I've
[00:51:52] got to kill it every single day. Every
[00:51:54] day I got to just tie that up in a knot
[00:51:56] and throw it over my shoulder.
[00:51:57] >> How do you do that?
[00:52:00] by
[00:52:03] realizing who's watching you,
[00:52:07] knowing he's looking at you going, "Huh,
[00:52:09] uh-uh."
[00:52:11] You're go, "Sorry.
[00:52:13] Sorry. I shouldn't have said that.
[00:52:14] Shouldn't have had that thought.
[00:52:16] Shouldn't have got that mad. Shouldn't
[00:52:17] have done whatever." You go, "I'm
[00:52:19] sorry." And then stop doing that.
[00:52:22] >> He'll go, "Thank you. He's your dad.
[00:52:27] He treats us like kids because we are.
[00:52:30] The same way you would discipline your
[00:52:32] kids and care about your kids and I do
[00:52:34] is the same way he feels about us except
[00:52:36] he's just perfect at it whereas we're
[00:52:39] totally imperfect with it. But the same
[00:52:41] emotion and the same point of it is
[00:52:43] there. Whether it's Tucker Carlson
[00:52:46] talking to your kids or God's talking to
[00:52:48] Tucker, it's the same relationship.
[00:52:51] Isn't that an interesting thing to think
[00:52:52] about?
[00:52:53] >> It is interesting. And one of the things
[00:52:54] I I mean, aside from the fact the
[00:52:56] unhappiest people in the world I've ever
[00:52:57] met hate their dads, there's something
[00:53:00] about that dynamic that doesn't work at
[00:53:02] all for people. But I noticed that most
[00:53:04] people in positions of leadership,
[00:53:07] temporal leadership, um will never admit
[00:53:09] fault ever.
[00:53:10] >> Mhm.
[00:53:11] >> Ever. That's the one thing that sets
[00:53:13] them apart. Whether they're competent or
[00:53:15] incompetent, they all fail at some
[00:53:17] point. And leaders tend to deny it.
[00:53:22] >> Yep.
[00:53:23] They fail to yield
[00:53:27] to him, number one, but they they even
[00:53:30] fail to yield to their fellow
[00:53:34] citizens to say, "I am sorry, that was a
[00:53:38] huge mistake." And why why do they fail
[00:53:40] to do that? Because they feel like if I
[00:53:43] admit that I really made that horrible
[00:53:45] mistake, they won't reelect me or I'll
[00:53:47] lose my job at the big company or
[00:53:49] whatever it is. So that is more
[00:53:51] important to them than than owning up to
[00:53:55] whatever they did that was wrong.
[00:53:58] It's more important to keep myself
[00:54:00] intact. Well, what is that? That's
[00:54:02] that's back to success and significance.
[00:54:05] They're only concerned about success,
[00:54:07] their success. That's it. And I'm
[00:54:10] telling you right now, man, he does not
[00:54:12] care about your personal success. He may
[00:54:15] give you a lot of success,
[00:54:19] but that's not the point. And I really
[00:54:22] think that he gives he gives guys like
[00:54:24] me success and you success and other
[00:54:26] people success. So that some point, back
[00:54:28] to your original question, it seems like
[00:54:30] John, you've changed gears here. Yes, I
[00:54:33] have changed gears here because
[00:54:36] the fuse is burning down on whatever
[00:54:38] this situation's going to wind up being.
[00:54:40] And I want to be on record that I said
[00:54:43] true things that that are backed up by
[00:54:47] the word. I want to write music that
[00:54:49] backs it up. I want to do podcasts that
[00:54:52] that people can watch and think about it
[00:54:53] and go pick it up and read it for
[00:54:55] themselves. That is significant to me.
[00:54:58] That is significant.
[00:55:00] >> But it's also uh unpredictable. You
[00:55:02] don't know where that goes. Are you
[00:55:04] worried?
[00:55:06] >> I have concern about it. I've had death
[00:55:08] threats in the past two weeks.
[00:55:10] That's not fun.
[00:55:11] >> What's your attitude toward that?
[00:55:15] >> Uh, pray for protection. So, we talked
[00:55:17] about earlier when you pray for things,
[00:55:19] you have to be specific about what it is
[00:55:20] you're asking for. And then he has to
[00:55:22] give it to you if it serves his will.
[00:55:25] Well, I would hope protecting me serves
[00:55:26] his will. I hope he I hope he wants me
[00:55:28] around a long time. Um there's there's
[00:55:32] uh one verse in Zechariah in the Old
[00:55:34] Testament and this prophet he was being
[00:55:37] hunted basically and like all of them
[00:55:40] were and he asked God for protection and
[00:55:43] God responded to him the Lord responded
[00:55:45] to him and said I will be a wall of fire
[00:55:49] around you. I personally will not I'm
[00:55:52] going to send down the angels. I
[00:55:56] the creator will be a wall of fire
[00:55:59] around you and they will not be able to
[00:56:01] get to you. Granted,
[00:56:04] Job is another example. Job had a hedge
[00:56:07] built around him and his family that God
[00:56:09] built around him because God loved him
[00:56:11] and protected him.
[00:56:14] And the devil went to God and said,
[00:56:16] "Take that hedge off from around Job and
[00:56:18] I bet I can get him to curse you."
[00:56:21] Like this is the devil up there. this
[00:56:23] Lucifer up there talking to talking to
[00:56:25] God. God goes, "No, he won't." He goes,
[00:56:28] "Well, you'll never know because I can't
[00:56:30] get to him because you built this hedge
[00:56:32] around him. I can't get to him."
[00:56:34] But if you take it down, he'll curse
[00:56:36] you. He will. He'll turn his back on
[00:56:38] you. And he goes, "No, he won't." He
[00:56:39] goes, "All right, fine." And so God took
[00:56:42] the hedge away from Job.
[00:56:44] And it says a storm blew through, killed
[00:56:47] his entire family, took all of his
[00:56:48] crops, all of his land, his animals,
[00:56:51] everything. And then Job got struck with
[00:56:53] a disease and he went from being a
[00:56:55] wealthy successful guy with a nice
[00:56:58] family and all that to sitting outside
[00:56:59] the walls of the city covered in soores
[00:57:02] scraping himself with pieces of broken
[00:57:04] pottery begging for people to give him
[00:57:07] food. And his f his family and friends
[00:57:09] are walking past him going, "Job, just
[00:57:12] curse God and die.
[00:57:15] Just curse God and die. Job, this is
[00:57:17] horrible. We can't
[00:57:17] >> his friends show up and blame it all on
[00:57:19] him. We can't stand seeing what's
[00:57:21] happening to you. God has abandoned you.
[00:57:23] Just curse him and die and get this over
[00:57:24] with. And Job's response is this. Though
[00:57:28] he slay me, yet will I trust him.
[00:57:34] Though he slay me,
[00:57:37] yet will I still trust him. And when he
[00:57:39] made that statement,
[00:57:41] God God replenished him with everything
[00:57:43] he had lost times seven. and put the
[00:57:46] hedge back around him and told the devil
[00:57:48] said, "I told you so. I told you he
[00:57:50] wouldn't curse me. Get the hell out of
[00:57:52] my face."
[00:57:54] Go read that story. Right.
[00:57:57] >> Yes. So, you're changing your
[00:58:01] orientation away from just amusing
[00:58:03] people in bars and stadiums to trying to
[00:58:08] use the authority that you have, you've
[00:58:10] been given, you've earned
[00:58:12] >> uh to teach and to shine light on evil
[00:58:17] and to help the weak.
[00:58:20] >> I think the defenseless
[00:58:21] >> the defenseless. I think I'm summarizing
[00:58:23] >> broadly what you just said. You've
[00:58:25] written a new song which I think it's
[00:58:27] fair to say is not a top 40 hit. Is this
[00:58:30] fair?
[00:58:30] >> It just came out and it will not be on
[00:58:33] the radio. [laughter]
[00:58:34] >> Well, why won't it be on the radio?
[00:58:36] >> If a radio station plays this song, I
[00:58:38] will go there personally and buy him a
[00:58:41] steak dinner.
[00:58:42] >> It would take a lot for them to put this
[00:58:45] on the air. Um,
[00:58:48] about a year ago, I saw a a clip of
[00:58:50] Shawn Combmes
[00:58:52] and he was standing on a stage at an
[00:58:54] award show. Puff Daddy.
[00:58:55] >> Yeah, that's right. I I won't call him
[00:58:57] that, but whatever. That guy.
[00:59:00] >> And Sean Combmes standing up there
[00:59:03] >> and he's looking into the cameras and he
[00:59:06] says, "I own your kids. I own their
[00:59:10] souls.
[00:59:12] I determine what they wear. I determine
[00:59:14] what they listen to.
[00:59:17] He's looking right in the camera saying
[00:59:18] this,
[00:59:20] meaning he's looking at me and I'm
[00:59:22] thinking, "Oh, is that right, Sean
[00:59:24] Combmes? You own my sons. You own the
[00:59:28] souls of my sons. Really?"
[00:59:31] And I thought the this guy has no fear
[00:59:34] whatsoever
[00:59:36] of a mom or a dad and what they would do
[00:59:39] to him if he came and tried to take one
[00:59:42] of their kids. No understanding
[00:59:45] whatsoever. And basically what you're
[00:59:46] seeing there is a is a demon-possessed
[00:59:49] man. And don't forget this, Tucker. The
[00:59:52] devil and his minions are the most
[00:59:54] arrogant creatures in the universe. They
[00:59:56] are so arrogant. I've noticed
[00:59:58] >> with their wickedness, they don't care
[01:00:00] what you think about it. I mean, they're
[01:00:03] just going to say it right right to your
[01:00:04] face. And so I saw him say that and I
[01:00:07] went, this guy music for for Shawn
[01:00:10] Combmes is like a weapon. He uses his
[01:00:14] music um to
[01:00:17] indoctrinate, to
[01:00:20] We talked about music earlier, how it
[01:00:22] can go in between all the defenses you
[01:00:25] have. it can get through your soul and
[01:00:26] your spirit and all the way down into
[01:00:27] you and get stuck in your head for the
[01:00:29] rest of your life. And he knows that,
[01:00:31] too. He uses it for wicked purposes. So,
[01:00:34] it's a weapon for him. It's it's
[01:00:36] something that's his main go-to. And I
[01:00:39] and I was thinking about that and I
[01:00:41] said, "Yeah, me, too. Music is my weapon
[01:00:45] of choice.
[01:00:47] And is anybody going to rebut this devil
[01:00:50] and what he just said about our kids?"
[01:00:54] Nobody did. Nobody said boo about it.
[01:00:56] Well, there's Shawn Combmes up there
[01:00:58] just declaring that he owns the souls of
[01:01:00] our children in America. I said, 'Yeah,
[01:01:02] I don't think so. And I got
[01:01:06] really um intense with that thought
[01:01:10] process and I thought there needs to be
[01:01:12] a song
[01:01:14] that talks about what a what a mom or a
[01:01:18] dad would be willing to do to keep a
[01:01:22] Sean Comb style person and there's
[01:01:25] millions of them in our country as we
[01:01:27] discussed earlier. There's literally
[01:01:30] nothing they wouldn't do to protect
[01:01:32] their kids. And I really don't think
[01:01:34] that the people on the other side of the
[01:01:35] table, the predator class out there,
[01:01:38] don't really have an understanding of
[01:01:40] that. It's almost as if they have no
[01:01:42] fear of the American parent, of the dad,
[01:01:45] the regular guy, the guy that that keeps
[01:01:47] to himself, works hard every day, just
[01:01:49] leave me alone guy. I think they don't
[01:01:52] really understand what that person would
[01:01:55] turn into if you put your hands on one
[01:01:57] of their kids
[01:01:59] because they would rip you limb from
[01:02:00] limb.
[01:02:02] They would become the most primal beast
[01:02:04] you've ever met in your life. They would
[01:02:06] lose all inhibition. You lose, they win.
[01:02:10] All they would care about is that that
[01:02:12] they live long enough to kill you. That
[01:02:15] would be the dad's only concern. Just
[01:02:17] let me live long enough to take him out.
[01:02:19] He hurt my kid.
[01:02:22] That's how a parent really feels, right?
[01:02:26] >> Without question.
[01:02:27] >> Okay. A lot of parents watching this
[01:02:29] podcast right now are going, "Yep."
[01:02:32] So, I wrote this song called The
[01:02:35] Righteous Hunter. Because predators
[01:02:39] hunt.
[01:02:41] They hunt. They hunt our kids. So,
[01:02:44] they're the wicked hunters, right? Well,
[01:02:47] as as everything is in nature, if you've
[01:02:50] got darkness, you've also got light.
[01:02:52] There's a flip side to everything. And I
[01:02:54] thought, who are the righteous hunters?
[01:02:59] How about we hunt them? How about we put
[01:03:02] them on the run? How about how about the
[01:03:04] predators out there who are so arrogant
[01:03:06] that they'll stand on television and
[01:03:08] tell us what they're going to do to our
[01:03:09] kids? How about we put a little fear of
[01:03:11] God into them for a minute? How about we
[01:03:14] remind them who it is that they're
[01:03:16] really dealing with? And so I wrote this
[01:03:19] song, The Righteous Hunter. It just came
[01:03:21] out.
[01:03:22] Um the video to this song, which I would
[01:03:26] urge people to go watch, uh is
[01:03:28] disturbing. It is a it is a recreation
[01:03:32] and we actually used um adults who had
[01:03:36] been trafficked and who now go out and
[01:03:38] sting traffickers. One lady in
[01:03:41] particular named Brooke, who you'll see
[01:03:43] in the video,
[01:03:46] she made sure that we shot this
[01:03:47] accurately. So, basically, you see these
[01:03:50] two bad guys making a deal on buying
[01:03:53] some kids and where they're going to
[01:03:55] meet. And then you see them meeting
[01:03:57] there, and then you see the kids walk
[01:03:59] out that are for sale. And meanwhile,
[01:04:02] I'm singing in this little girl's
[01:04:04] bedroom, and she's not there because
[01:04:07] she's been taken. and and her dad is
[01:04:09] played by Shawn Ryan.
[01:04:12] >> What a good man
[01:04:12] >> in the video. And you talk about a
[01:04:14] righteous hunter. That's him. Because I
[01:04:18] promise you, he's a hunter on many
[01:04:19] levels, but as a dad, that is the last
[01:04:23] human being you would want to see coming
[01:04:25] for you. The last human being. And so I
[01:04:29] asked Sean, I said, "I know this is way
[01:04:31] outside, man, of of what you normally do
[01:04:34] or have ever done, but would you play
[01:04:36] the dad in this video, The Righteous
[01:04:39] Hunter?" And I sang The Righteous Hunter
[01:04:41] on his podcast about two months ago, and
[01:04:44] he looked at me and he said, "That's
[01:04:46] going to be the biggest song you have
[01:04:47] ever put out." I'm going to make a
[01:04:49] prediction. That is going to be the
[01:04:50] biggest song you've ever put out. Tears
[01:04:53] in his eyes, the whole thing. So, I
[01:04:55] brought my guitar up here because we're
[01:04:58] not going to show the video on the
[01:04:59] podcast, but you can get the song. You
[01:05:02] can go watch it. Just look up John Rich
[01:05:04] the Righteous Hunter and you'll find it.
[01:05:05] But I brought the old Martin there.
[01:05:07] That's actually my son's name, Colt, my
[01:05:09] younger son, and his birthday September
[01:05:11] 29, 2011. And um I memorialized my kids
[01:05:15] on my guitars. I love my kids more than
[01:05:17] life more than anything. And there's
[01:05:19] literally nothing I would not do to
[01:05:21] protect one of my kids. Literally
[01:05:24] nothing.
[01:05:28] Literally.
[01:05:30] I don't care if 20 of them are coming.
[01:05:33] >> We'll pile them up out by the fence.
[01:05:36] >> If you [laughter] come from my kids
[01:05:37] >> as a windbreak,
[01:05:38] >> if you come from my kids, all bets are
[01:05:40] off. You lose. I win. We don't run. We
[01:05:45] do not run. And we're going to have to
[01:05:46] stop running in this country. We should
[01:05:48] not have the posture of, "Oh, I just
[01:05:50] hope they don't come get my kid." That's
[01:05:53] not the posture, man. The posture is you
[01:05:56] come on and try it one time, big boy.
[01:05:59] Come on into my yard and try it one time
[01:06:01] and see how you wind up. You freak
[01:06:04] sitting behind your computer, acting
[01:06:06] like you're a kid, entrapping these
[01:06:08] kids, stealing these kids, pimping them,
[01:06:10] prostituting them, harvesting their
[01:06:13] organs, all the horrible demonic stuff
[01:06:15] you're doing to our kids. Why don't you
[01:06:16] step in my yard one time and try it and
[01:06:19] see what happens to you? You degenerate
[01:06:22] demoniac. Call them what they are.
[01:06:26] So that's what this song does.
[01:06:29] >> Can I hear it?
[01:06:30] >> Absolutely. I know. I always bring songs
[01:06:32] to you that you go, I can't believe you
[01:06:34] could write a song about that.
[01:06:35] >> No, I love it.
[01:06:38] [music]
[01:06:48] >> [music]
[01:06:49] >> Evil runs around this [singing] town
[01:06:52] undercover
[01:06:53] looking [music] for soul to take.
[01:06:57] But they better stay away from the
[01:07:00] righteous [music] hunter or hell is all
[01:07:03] they'll pay.
[01:07:05] Cuz I can see around the corner
[01:07:08] [singing and music] and I know you're
[01:07:09] coming. If you had any sense, you'd run.
[01:07:15] But you ain't got a clue [music] what a
[01:07:17] daddy [singing] will do. Better give
[01:07:20] your soul to Jesus while I get my gun.
[01:07:23] [singing and music]
[01:07:26] You better give your soul to Jesus while
[01:07:29] I get my [music] gun.
[01:07:34] They try to steal away our sons and
[01:07:37] [singing] daughters shrouded in the
[01:07:40] shadow of night,
[01:07:42] but we fight with protection [music]
[01:07:45] of the heavenly [singing] father. And we
[01:07:48] ain't scared to die. [music]
[01:07:51] And I can see around the corner.
[01:07:53] [singing]
[01:07:54] And I know you're coming. If you had
[01:07:56] [music] any sense, you'd run. [singing]
[01:08:00] But you ain't got a clue what a daddy
[01:08:03] will do. Better give your soul to Jesus
[01:08:07] while I get [music] my gun.
[01:08:11] Yeah, you [singing] better give your
[01:08:13] soul to Jesus [music] while I get my
[01:08:16] gun.
[01:08:20] Recall [music] the words that Jesus
[01:08:23] said. [singing]
[01:08:24] Better off we stones around [music]
[01:08:27] their necks. And we pray
[01:08:34] not [singing] our will but [music] thine
[01:08:36] be done. Bringing in to the reign of the
[01:08:39] [singing] wicked oneness we [music]
[01:08:42] claim
[01:08:43] in your name.
[01:08:48] And I can see around the corner. And I
[01:08:52] know you're coming. If you had any
[01:08:55] [singing] sense, you'd run.
[01:08:58] But you ain't got [music] a clue what a
[01:09:01] daddy will do. Better give your soul to
[01:09:04] Jesus while I get my [music] gun.
[01:09:09] Yeah, [singing] you better give your
[01:09:11] soul to Jesus while I get my [music]
[01:09:14] gun. [singing]
[01:09:21] >> [music]
[01:09:23] >> Evil runs [singing] around this town
[01:09:26] undercover
[01:09:27] looking for a [music] soul to take.
[01:09:31] But they better stay away from the
[01:09:34] righteous [music and singing] honor for
[01:09:37] hell is all they'll pay.
[01:09:44] >> Amazing.
[01:09:46] I love it. Thanks for letting me play
[01:09:49] it.
[01:09:49] >> You saying there, I'm not afraid to die.
[01:09:51] Are you not afraid to die?
[01:09:52] >> Not for my kids.
[01:09:54] >> Yeah,
[01:09:54] >> it'd be an honor to die for my kids.
[01:09:58] >> I agree with that.
[01:10:01] >> Why are you the first person to
[01:10:03] articulate this in the way that you did?
[01:10:06] >> Because it is the most grotesque,
[01:10:08] uncomfortable, wicked thing that exists
[01:10:11] in my mind. And
[01:10:14] it is so bad that
[01:10:18] really good people with really good
[01:10:19] intentions,
[01:10:21] strong people,
[01:10:25] >> just want to go like that.
[01:10:26] >> Yep. That's where I am. That's exactly
[01:10:28] where I am.
[01:10:28] >> I cannot look at that. I cannot bring
[01:10:31] myself to come to grips with what is
[01:10:33] going on.
[01:10:34] >> It's too evil. You can't I can't deal
[01:10:35] with that.
[01:10:35] >> It's so evil. It It is so against the
[01:10:39] DNA of a unpossessed person. that they
[01:10:43] can't even fathom it. And
[01:10:45] >> that's very wise.
[01:10:46] >> You don't want it in your mind.
[01:10:48] >> That's right.
[01:10:50] >> In fact, I've always wondered I'm so
[01:10:52] grateful that there are people in
[01:10:53] trapping job monsters on the internet.
[01:10:56] I'm grateful for that. But I always
[01:10:58] wonder what does it do to them to
[01:11:00] marinate it? It's like watching ISIS
[01:11:02] videos all day. You don't want to I
[01:11:04] don't want to see that.
[01:11:05] >> They have PTS like you can on a map. Is
[01:11:07] that true? Oh, Lord have mercy. I mean,
[01:11:10] the jobs these people do, the stuff they
[01:11:12] have to see
[01:11:14] is
[01:11:17] it it never leaves them. And they have
[01:11:20] all kinds of problems that they have to
[01:11:22] deal with. And a lot of them
[01:11:24] >> can only do those jobs for a period of
[01:11:26] time and they got to get out. They just
[01:11:28] cannot deal with it. And
[01:11:32] that goes to the point of how
[01:11:34] unbelievably horrible it really is. And
[01:11:39] the fact that 36 million reports got
[01:11:41] called in last year to DHS about kids
[01:11:44] being targeted. 36 million unique
[01:11:46] reports. That's how big it is in our
[01:11:49] country. America is the number one
[01:11:51] consumer
[01:11:52] of child exploitation. Number one is
[01:11:55] America. You know the country that's
[01:11:57] founded on God.
[01:12:01] That country, the country that says
[01:12:03] founded by our creator. It's just a
[01:12:05] little weird because if you go online,
[01:12:07] even in your private conversations,
[01:12:09] which are not private at all, they're
[01:12:10] all monitored, as I know, you know,
[01:12:12] that's a fact. Um, and start talking
[01:12:14] about overthrowing the government or
[01:12:17] killing your leaders or whatever. Boy,
[01:12:19] they they come to your house. That
[01:12:21] happens a lot. A lot.
[01:12:23] >> So, how are people consuming child
[01:12:25] exploit exploitation pornography?
[01:12:29] Like, how are they engaging this
[01:12:30] digitally and the government just kind
[01:12:31] of isn't picking up on it or something?
[01:12:34] Um, what is that? It could be. That
[01:12:37] could be part of it. But the sheer
[01:12:39] volume, Tucker, how do you deal with 36
[01:12:43] million reports?
[01:12:46] How do you do that?
[01:12:47] >> I don't know.
[01:12:48] >> So, the only way I have thought of how
[01:12:51] to start knocking these numbers back,
[01:12:54] which by the way, less than 1% of kids
[01:12:58] that are trafficked and taken are ever
[01:13:00] returned to their parents. less than 1%.
[01:13:06] The only way I have determined, and at
[01:13:08] the end of the video, and I really hope
[01:13:10] people go look this video up, the
[01:13:12] Righteous Hunter,
[01:13:14] at the end of the video, uh, my friend
[01:13:16] Tim Tibo saw the video. Tim's
[01:13:19] organization, they hire
[01:13:23] former police, detectives, former
[01:13:25] military intelligence people, and they
[01:13:28] go out and they find these guys and they
[01:13:30] rescue kids. That's what they do.
[01:13:33] We need I I asked uh the lady that was
[01:13:38] at the video shoot. She's overseen
[01:13:40] 14,000 kids rescued in 21 years.
[01:13:43] >> Wow.
[01:13:44] >> And she was trafficked as a kid. So, she
[01:13:46] dedicated her whole life to it. And and
[01:13:48] I asked Brooke, I said,
[01:13:51] "So, how many
[01:13:54] people would we need in America working
[01:13:56] full-time
[01:13:58] doing the job that you do or that Tim
[01:14:00] Tibo does and others to get this number
[01:14:03] from 1% are returned to 50% are
[01:14:07] returned?"
[01:14:07] >> She said, "Probably 20,000,
[01:14:12] somewhere in that range." And I said,
[01:14:14] "What would that cost?" She said, "About
[01:14:17] a billion dollars a year."
[01:14:19] >> Yeah.
[01:14:19] >> And I said,
[01:14:20] >> "Less than we give to Harvard.
[01:14:21] >> That's all.
[01:14:23] What would happen if you had $2
[01:14:24] billion?" She goes, "We would there they
[01:14:27] would be running. They would burn their
[01:14:31] computers. They would get off the dark
[01:14:33] web. They would be hiding under the
[01:14:34] rocks and in the caves. They would be
[01:14:36] hiding because there would be an army of
[01:14:39] people tracking them, hunting them. The
[01:14:42] predator becomes hunted." She said, "It
[01:14:44] would take that." So, I wonder why I
[01:14:46] can't go to Congress and lay these lay
[01:14:49] these facts and figures out while we
[01:14:51] have this current administration and
[01:14:53] say, "I want $2 billion peeled off as
[01:14:57] some project you guys are
[01:14:59] working on, and I want 20,000 40,000
[01:15:02] soldiers on the ground, American
[01:15:04] citizens with expertise to go drain this
[01:15:08] situation and incarcerate as many of
[01:15:11] them as you can and save the American
[01:15:13] child.
[01:15:15] That is what I want to see happen.
[01:15:16] >> Take it out of the foreign aid budget.
[01:15:18] I'm for that.
[01:15:18] >> Let's go.
[01:15:19] >> Let's go.
[01:15:20] >> Now, if we pull something like that off,
[01:15:23] >> God may decide to hold off on turning
[01:15:25] the table upside down on this country.
[01:15:27] He might if you do that.
[01:15:31] >> I mean, we don't treat children well at
[01:15:33] all.
[01:15:33] >> No.
[01:15:34] >> At all.
[01:15:34] >> We don't let a lot of them even be born
[01:15:36] to begin with.
[01:15:37] >> No. 63 million since 1973.
[01:15:40] >> That's right. And
[01:15:41] >> I often think if some if you were um
[01:15:43] buying a new house and the realtor said
[01:15:46] it was a great house and you wanted the
[01:15:47] house, a beautiful house, and you got to
[01:15:49] the master bedroom and and the realtor
[01:15:51] says to you, "By the way, you should
[01:15:52] just know that a child was dismembered
[01:15:53] in this bedroom, would you buy the
[01:15:56] house?" Maybe, probably not. Because
[01:15:58] there's something spooky about that.
[01:16:00] There's something I'm not a theologian.
[01:16:02] I don't know much about theology, but
[01:16:03] there's something so dark about that act
[01:16:06] taking place in a place.
[01:16:08] >> Yep.
[01:16:08] >> You don't want anything to do with it.
[01:16:09] used to call them haunted houses.
[01:16:12] >> So if you have 63 million dismemberments
[01:16:15] of children in your country,
[01:16:17] >> it changes the nature of the country.
[01:16:19] It's
[01:16:19] >> leaving aside, you know, the effects on
[01:16:22] the women, obviously the children were
[01:16:24] killed, the effects on the abortionists
[01:16:26] who did it. It's bad for everybody, but
[01:16:27] it's also bad for your nation itself.
[01:16:29] Like that's happened inside our borders.
[01:16:31] >> Yes. How long do you think God's going
[01:16:33] to let us get away with that?
[01:16:34] >> I don't know. But um
[01:16:35] >> I'm surprised he has for this long. He
[01:16:38] he he he brought low many other empires
[01:16:42] for way less.
[01:16:44] >> Yeah.
[01:16:45] >> Yes.
[01:16:45] >> I mean I I'm
[01:16:48] >> that's why I say
[01:16:49] >> I refuse to believe that doesn't have
[01:16:50] consequences. That has consequences.
[01:16:52] >> I hope for it.
[01:16:53] >> If if the soul is real, and I think that
[01:16:56] it is. I think most people understand
[01:16:57] that it is because they feel that it is.
[01:16:59] You can't eliminate 63,000
[01:17:01] people. Can't kill them for whatever
[01:17:04] reason. Everyone always has a good
[01:17:05] reason to kill somebody. They always
[01:17:06] justify it to themselves. But the fact
[01:17:09] is that many number of children were
[01:17:10] killed and like that has got to have a
[01:17:13] consequence. How could it not?
[01:17:15] >> Right. Right. So this little song I just
[01:17:19] played you is it's out there and the
[01:17:23] point of it is is to is to grab parents
[01:17:26] by the shoulders and shake them hard
[01:17:29] enough.
[01:17:29] >> Yes.
[01:17:30] >> Because these images in this video, my
[01:17:32] man, will rattle you when you see them.
[01:17:35] that it was hard to shoot, uncomfortable
[01:17:37] to shoot, but we shot it accurately. We
[01:17:40] had we had real people that really do
[01:17:43] this for a living.
[01:17:44] >> Wow.
[01:17:44] >> And and made it look like what it looks
[01:17:47] like. I mean, the the people in the room
[01:17:49] were balling their eyes out. And these
[01:17:50] are some tough people because the
[01:17:53] situation looked like what they go into
[01:17:55] a lot of the times. And you see those
[01:17:58] kids come walking in that room for sale.
[01:18:00] >> Yeah.
[01:18:01] Uh it's it's you you will you will
[01:18:05] become extremely
[01:18:08] sad and violently angry all at the same
[01:18:12] time. You will go, "If I could find
[01:18:15] those people right now, I'd go get
[01:18:17] them." That's how it'll make you feel.
[01:18:20] But they're everywhere. They're in every
[01:18:21] zip code in the US. There are people
[01:18:23] that you might shake hands with every
[01:18:25] day. There are people that work in your
[01:18:27] schools. There are people that work in
[01:18:29] government. There are people that coach
[01:18:31] teams. There are all kinds of people you
[01:18:33] would never expect that are involved in
[01:18:35] this stuff. That's why it's so big. It's
[01:18:37] like a 220 billion dollar a year
[01:18:39] industry and America's the number one
[01:18:42] customer.
[01:18:43] >> It's horrifying.
[01:18:44] >> So, not not to drag us all the way down.
[01:18:47] I just
[01:18:47] >> No, no, no, no. I mean, I think it's if
[01:18:49] you know, you have to care about that.
[01:18:50] >> You got to write that. Writing a song
[01:18:53] like that and putting it out is I
[01:18:56] believe a significant thing to do.
[01:18:59] That's not something you do for success.
[01:19:01] That's something you do for
[01:19:02] significance. Back to the beginning of
[01:19:03] our conversation
[01:19:05] >> because once I put it out there, it's
[01:19:07] out there forever. Music is permanent
[01:19:09] and it sticks. They don't forget about
[01:19:11] it
[01:19:12] >> and and I'm hoping that it yields
[01:19:14] results on many levels. I hope that it
[01:19:16] wakes parents up. I hope that parents go
[01:19:18] on and look at that video we did with
[01:19:20] DHS and they go to their kids' phones
[01:19:22] and go, "We're changing all that. They
[01:19:24] can't even get to you now. That needs to
[01:19:26] happen." And then I hope extreme funding
[01:19:30] starts rolling in uh that this song will
[01:19:32] start a dialogue that big. That's why I
[01:19:35] made it so jarring and that's why I made
[01:19:37] that lyric the way it is. The lyric is
[01:19:39] accurate. Give your soul to Jesus while
[01:19:41] I get my gun because I know you're
[01:19:43] coming for my kid and you're not going
[01:19:45] to survive this. But I still hope you
[01:19:47] don't go to hell.
[01:19:49] Like that's what the good guy says. Give
[01:19:51] your soul to Jesus on your way over
[01:19:54] because this is the last stop for you.
[01:19:57] You know what I mean? I do.
[01:19:58] >> And I think that's how most Americans,
[01:20:01] >> especially Christian Americans, they
[01:20:03] don't want to ever have to be in a
[01:20:04] position like that.
[01:20:05] >> No.
[01:20:06] >> But it's in them.
[01:20:07] >> It's just God made us that way.
[01:20:09] >> Well, you threaten your children. Yeah.
[01:20:10] That's a different thing.
[01:20:11] >> God built us.
[01:20:12] >> So, I think this will reverberate. And
[01:20:14] the reason I think that is be I mean,
[01:20:16] you're the only singer I've ever
[01:20:17] interviewed twice about something other
[01:20:19] than singing. Um,
[01:20:21] >> is because the last interview that we
[01:20:23] did really had a lasting effect on me.
[01:20:25] you when we did the interview was about
[01:20:28] your song Revelation.
[01:20:29] >> Yeah.
[01:20:30] >> Which I thought was great, but I didn't
[01:20:32] understand. I still don't fully
[01:20:33] understand a lot of the theology around
[01:20:35] it. It's not the world that I come from
[01:20:36] to put it mildly. But um you made a
[01:20:39] point about something called
[01:20:40] dispensational
[01:20:41] >> dispensationalism.
[01:20:43] Yeah. The theology of dispensation. And
[01:20:47] um and you and you criticized you said
[01:20:48] you don't think it's biblical. And I
[01:20:50] wasn't exactly sure what you were
[01:20:52] talking about when we had the
[01:20:53] conversation, but it set off a chain
[01:20:54] reaction in me. I learned a lot much
[01:20:56] much more about it and and it really did
[01:20:58] change my views. But in that
[01:21:00] conversation, you said there are a lot
[01:21:02] of preachers who will hate this.
[01:21:03] >> Uhhuh.
[01:21:04] >> And I've never met any preacher,
[01:21:07] >> you know, who even knows what that is.
[01:21:08] So it's like it's again not my world.
[01:21:10] Right.
[01:21:10] >> My question is what was the effect the
[01:21:12] aftermath of that interview?
[01:21:13] >> A lot of preachers hated what I had to
[01:21:15] say.
[01:21:15] >> They did. [laughter] Did they?
[01:21:17] >> Yeah.
[01:21:17] >> Did you hear about it? Oh, I I went on
[01:21:19] YouTube and I couldn't watch them all.
[01:21:21] There were so many of them. I mean, some
[01:21:22] of them were 10 minutes long, some of
[01:21:23] them were two hours long. Some of them
[01:21:25] were
[01:21:26] >> responding to your views.
[01:21:27] >> Oh, yeah. Some of them were sermons
[01:21:28] where they would bring it up. I know you
[01:21:30] probably seen this song, Revelation. And
[01:21:33] let's I just want to go into that.
[01:21:34] Anybody that says that what John Rich is
[01:21:36] saying is a heretic.
[01:21:38] >> Actually, that's a bad word. That's a
[01:21:39] really bad word. A heretic. Yeah. And
[01:21:42] it's false teaching and it's false
[01:21:44] doctrine and it's blah blah blah. He's a
[01:21:46] false false. Also a terrible word. I am
[01:21:49] anything but false. I have my faults.
[01:21:52] False is not one of them.
[01:21:53] >> I've noticed. Yeah.
[01:21:54] >> Um and so I went, well, we hit the mark
[01:21:58] with that because
[01:22:00] their congregations are now going,
[01:22:04] I'm going to go read Matthew 24. John
[01:22:06] said go read it. I don't really know
[01:22:09] what it says, so I'm going to go read
[01:22:10] it. And I'm telling you, man, I have had
[01:22:13] thousands of people on online on social
[01:22:17] media hit me up and say, "I just read
[01:22:19] Matthew 24 twice, like you said, and it
[01:22:22] absolutely says that. That is just what
[01:22:24] it says. I can't believe I ever thought
[01:22:26] it was different than that." Like the
[01:22:30] the whole point of it for people that
[01:22:31] don't know what that is,
[01:22:32] dispensationalism is basically saying
[01:22:35] that before the tribulation hits, before
[01:22:37] things get really really bad for
[01:22:38] Christians on the earth, that they will
[01:22:40] be raptured out of here. They'll be
[01:22:42] pulled out before the really bad stuff
[01:22:43] happens. And it doesn't say that. It
[01:22:46] actually Jesus lists off all these
[01:22:48] things that are going to happen prior to
[01:22:50] his return. And the wrath that that
[01:22:54] Christians will be living under during
[01:22:56] the tribulation is the devil's wrath.
[01:22:59] We're not spared from the devil's wrath.
[01:23:02] We're spared from God's wrath. And God's
[01:23:05] wrath is final. That's when whoever's
[01:23:08] left at that point gets pulled out. And
[01:23:10] then God pours his wrath out and the
[01:23:13] whole thing gets wiped out. And then he
[01:23:15] rebuilds it. And and there's a that's a
[01:23:16] whole other story. But American
[01:23:19] Christians and American preachers don't
[01:23:22] want to have to think about the fact
[01:23:23] that they're going to have to go through
[01:23:24] something difficult. Well, I'm sorry.
[01:23:26] Why don't you take a little trip around
[01:23:28] the globe and go meet with some
[01:23:30] Christians who are literally meeting in
[01:23:32] caves and under and in basement of
[01:23:35] houses and if they're caught, they're
[01:23:37] murdered or imprisoned for the rest of
[01:23:38] their life or chopped up into pieces
[01:23:40] like what's going on in Syria right now.
[01:23:42] they just hack them up. Or go down to
[01:23:44] Africa where there's Christians in in
[01:23:47] mainly Muslim dominated countries and
[01:23:49] they're actually practicing Christians.
[01:23:51] You know what happens to them? They
[01:23:52] steal all their kids. They hack up all
[01:23:54] the men and women and they move on and
[01:23:56] that village is just gone. And you're
[01:23:58] telling me that fat, lazy American
[01:24:01] Christians have
[01:24:03] more of a right to be spared pain
[01:24:08] than those people. Those people are
[01:24:10] worshiping Jesus Christ knowing it could
[01:24:12] absolutely cost them their life and
[01:24:14] they're doing it anyway. That's a They
[01:24:17] are elite to us. They are they are
[01:24:20] giants of Christians in these other
[01:24:23] places.
[01:24:23] >> Yes, I agree with that.
[01:24:24] >> Yes, they are elite. They are God's
[01:24:27] elite Christians. We are not. We're in
[01:24:31] America. We have a constitution that
[01:24:32] protects us from things like that
[01:24:34] happening to us. Right? You can't do
[01:24:36] that to Christians in the United States.
[01:24:38] Now, they can come after you and call
[01:24:39] you bad names, blah blah. That's not
[01:24:41] real persecution. And so, I I take real
[01:24:44] issue with Christians that say, "God
[01:24:45] would never make us go through that."
[01:24:47] I'm like, "What Bible are you reading?"
[01:24:51] The 12 disciples were pretty tight with
[01:24:53] Jesus. Were they spared?
[01:24:57] No. The tw I would say the 12 disciples
[01:25:00] were probably tighter with Jesus than
[01:25:02] any 12 men that ever lived, more than
[01:25:04] likely. Right. He was tight with some
[01:25:06] other ones, too. Paul and Daniel and,
[01:25:09] you know, King David and all that, but
[01:25:10] the 12 disciples all wound up either
[01:25:13] being hung, beheaded, imprisoned for the
[01:25:17] rest of their lives, whatever.
[01:25:18] >> Impal.
[01:25:19] >> Impaled.
[01:25:20] >> Really bad things. Crucified.
[01:25:22] >> Yeah.
[01:25:22] >> I mean, they crucified the son of God.
[01:25:24] >> I mean, if anybody was going to be
[01:25:26] spared from pain, don't you think it
[01:25:28] would be the actual son of God?
[01:25:32] >> Don't you think he would have been
[01:25:33] spared? You think on that? Do American
[01:25:36] Christians outrank Jesus Christ?
[01:25:41] >> What an arrogant attitude that is.
[01:25:44] >> There's also a kind of fragile
[01:25:47] response to all the like to, you know,
[01:25:49] so you make these points and then they
[01:25:51] call you a heretic for saying that.
[01:25:52] >> That's fine. Call me that. The Pharisees
[01:25:55] and Sadducees called Jesus all kinds of
[01:25:57] names.
[01:25:58] They can't stand it when you call them
[01:26:00] out.
[01:26:01] It really hits them the wrong way, which
[01:26:04] is great.
[01:26:05] It should hit them the wrong way because
[01:26:07] they are wrong and they know that they
[01:26:09] are and they bought they bought into
[01:26:12] centuries of of that spin on that
[01:26:16] particular subject. And it's just most
[01:26:18] Christians don't don't think that
[01:26:22] there's anything wrong with it because
[01:26:23] they've always been taught that. They
[01:26:25] don't know that that's not right. So,
[01:26:28] it's just it's just ignorance on their
[01:26:29] part. They just don't know. But the the
[01:26:32] real simple trick is my man, pick up the
[01:26:35] Bible and read what it says. Just read
[01:26:37] it. Just read it down and then read it
[01:26:40] slower and then read it a third time and
[01:26:42] sit there and think about it. Goes, it
[01:26:44] says all these things are going to
[01:26:46] happen before he shows back up. And if
[01:26:49] I'm alive when those things are
[01:26:51] happening,
[01:26:53] I'm going to live through that. And and
[01:26:54] the real problem is telling people that
[01:26:56] they're going to be raptured out of here
[01:26:58] before any before, for instance, the
[01:27:00] antichrist shows up or before the mark
[01:27:02] of the beast is implemented. They think
[01:27:04] they'll be gone before those things
[01:27:05] happen. Well, that's not true. They
[01:27:07] won't be gone before it happens. So,
[01:27:09] what danger does that put them in? That
[01:27:11] means if they're alive on the earth,
[01:27:13] when the mark of the beast is
[01:27:14] implemented and when the antichrist
[01:27:17] shows up and makes himself known and
[01:27:18] they're still here, they're not going to
[01:27:20] think that's the antichrist. And they're
[01:27:22] not going to think that's the mark of
[01:27:23] the beast. And I believe that's part of
[01:27:25] the great deception that is talked about
[01:27:27] in the New Testament. He says, "Be be as
[01:27:30] wise as serpents. Be Jesus said that
[01:27:33] like the deception is going to be so
[01:27:36] convincing
[01:27:37] that even some of the elect, meaning the
[01:27:40] the the elite Christians, the ones that
[01:27:42] really know, even they
[01:27:45] >> it's could be possible to even deceive
[01:27:47] them. That's how close the counterfeit
[01:27:51] move will be made. It is going to be
[01:27:54] something else. And if you have been
[01:27:56] believing wrong information and
[01:27:58] believing a spin narrative that that's
[01:28:00] put on the end times, you were in harm's
[01:28:03] way at that point.
[01:28:07] >> H that's interesting. Why do you think
[01:28:10] what was the purpose of this deception?
[01:28:12] Like this false what what you call false
[01:28:14] theology? Well, what it did was is they
[01:28:17] they figured out that if they would if
[01:28:20] they would preach in a way that didn't
[01:28:22] make people uncomfortable and told it it
[01:28:25] actually was twofold. Make them not feel
[01:28:27] uncomfortable about it, they would come
[01:28:28] back to church the following week.
[01:28:30] >> Yeah.
[01:28:30] >> And the church would get bigger.
[01:28:31] >> Marketing scheme.
[01:28:33] >> Yeah. And and the other side of it,
[01:28:35] which actually I think had a positive
[01:28:37] effect, was they would say the rapture
[01:28:40] could happen before this church service
[01:28:41] is over. So you better give your life to
[01:28:44] Jesus right now because this time
[01:28:46] tomorrow
[01:28:48] it could happen. Well, that created a
[01:28:50] sense of immediacy for people like,
[01:28:53] well, I don't want to get left behind. I
[01:28:54] don't want to get left behind. And they
[01:28:56] would go down and they would get saved.
[01:28:57] They'd give their life to Jesus. That's
[01:28:59] great, right? So that that was a
[01:29:01] positive result of it. But that you're
[01:29:04] talking about hundreds of years now.
[01:29:05] We're in 2025. We've got AI about to
[01:29:08] show up. You know, you wonder how my dad
[01:29:11] who's been preaching since he was 19
[01:29:13] years old said we never could understand
[01:29:16] how in in in the book of Revelation how
[01:29:20] they could monitor every human being on
[01:29:22] the earth because that's what they would
[01:29:23] have to do to implement the mark of the
[01:29:24] beast. You can't buy or sell unless you
[01:29:26] have the mark,
[01:29:27] >> right? Well, he goes which can
[01:29:29] understand how that even be how would
[01:29:30] you implement that and then he goes well
[01:29:33] of course now I mean everybody's
[01:29:36] monitored all the time and that's not
[01:29:38] even a question. So all the technology
[01:29:40] and the technology that is yet to come
[01:29:43] and that yet to be deployed anyway it's
[01:29:45] already here but yet to be deployed
[01:29:48] that's all going to that's all going to
[01:29:49] be used in the tribulation that will be
[01:29:52] used. So, it sounds like from your
[01:29:54] perspective, we're getting pretty close.
[01:29:56] >> Everything that needs to exist for it to
[01:29:58] happen exists now, but it's up to God.
[01:30:01] He could hold it off for a thousand
[01:30:02] years, but it sure don't look like it.
[01:30:05] >> There are uh American Christians,
[01:30:08] including in Texas, where you're from,
[01:30:10] working very hard, raising a lot of
[01:30:11] money to build a third temple in
[01:30:13] Jerusalem
[01:30:14] >> on the Temple Mount. What do you think
[01:30:15] of that?
[01:30:17] um
[01:30:21] when
[01:30:23] when it's very important in the Bible to
[01:30:25] go back and look up the original
[01:30:28] language of what was said because it may
[01:30:32] say something a little different than
[01:30:34] what the English version of it says.
[01:30:36] Mhm.
[01:30:37] >> Um
[01:30:39] I think that human beings that try to um
[01:30:43] instigate
[01:30:45] on their own accord instigate bringing
[01:30:48] on what Revelation talks about and what
[01:30:51] Daniel talked about. They go out
[01:30:53] purposefully to instigate it.
[01:30:57] Uh
[01:31:00] really hits me in a wrong way
[01:31:04] >> cuz they're not God. They don't get to
[01:31:05] decide.
[01:31:06] >> They're not God. They don't get to
[01:31:07] decide what happens.
[01:31:09] >> They just don't. We We don't That's
[01:31:12] that's up to him how he wants to see
[01:31:15] that roll out. And so I I I find it
[01:31:17] strange that human beings think that
[01:31:19] they can usurp God's planning and his
[01:31:22] authority and his timeline. That's how
[01:31:24] it appears to me anyway. So when people
[01:31:26] say we're going to bring about the end
[01:31:28] of history, the end of time by doing
[01:31:30] this and we're
[01:31:31] >> going to force Jesus to come back when
[01:31:32] we want him to come back,
[01:31:34] >> you're not on board with that.
[01:31:36] [laughter]
[01:31:37] >> No, I'm not. No, you don't force Jesus
[01:31:40] Christ to do anything.
[01:31:43] [laughter]
[01:31:43] >> If you had to guess, my last question,
[01:31:45] if you had to guess where your life goes
[01:31:48] in the next 5 or 10 years, what would
[01:31:50] your guess be?
[01:31:52] Um
[01:31:54] because I've rarely met a more intense
[01:31:56] selfdriven
[01:31:58] person.
[01:32:01] >> I would hope that
[01:32:03] um
[01:32:05] I continue to do what I am told no
[01:32:09] matter how difficult it is. If he wants
[01:32:13] me to do it and shows me I want you to
[01:32:15] go do that that I will have the
[01:32:16] fortitude which he also has to give you.
[01:32:19] You have to ask for that too. You don't
[01:32:21] have your own fortitude. You don't have
[01:32:22] anything, Tucker. You have literally
[01:32:24] nothing.
[01:32:26] You have nothing. You have to ask him
[01:32:30] for all of it.
[01:32:32] Um
[01:32:34] that he would grant me the fortitude to
[01:32:36] follow through on what it is he wants me
[01:32:37] to do. And my my real just what I feel
[01:32:41] like my role is right now is to
[01:32:46] have conversations like this in front of
[01:32:48] millions of people because they're not
[01:32:51] going to hear it generally in their
[01:32:53] church. They're not going to hear it
[01:32:55] anywhere. They're just not going to hear
[01:32:57] it. And I have no agenda with this.
[01:33:00] You know what I mean? I don't have a
[01:33:02] church. I'm not a preacher. I'm not
[01:33:03] running for politics. I'm not doing any
[01:33:04] of those things. I'm a guy with no
[01:33:06] record deal, no publishing deal. I'm a
[01:33:08] dad. I have a guitar. I know how to
[01:33:10] write songs. I can perform them. I can I
[01:33:13] can take things that need to be said and
[01:33:15] put it into the form of music and put it
[01:33:18] out there and hopefully have serious
[01:33:21] serious impact in two directions. One,
[01:33:25] for the good people, the righteous
[01:33:27] people out there to make them think, to
[01:33:29] flick light bulbs on in their head, go,
[01:33:31] "Wait, what did he just say? What did
[01:33:32] that song do?" and open them up to
[01:33:35] receive the real truth of what's going
[01:33:37] on. And second fold on that is to put
[01:33:40] the most fear
[01:33:43] humanly and spiritually possible into
[01:33:46] the hearts of the devil's people of of
[01:33:48] his army.
[01:33:50] I want them to be
[01:33:53] I want them to be able to not sleep at
[01:33:55] night. I want them to run in cower in
[01:33:59] fear because they know who's who they're
[01:34:02] up against. And we have to announce
[01:34:04] ourselves. We have to tell them who we
[01:34:07] are and we have to call them what they
[01:34:09] are.
[01:34:10] They're not somebody with a mental
[01:34:12] problem.
[01:34:14] They are a servant of their father. They
[01:34:17] are carrying out their father's
[01:34:18] business. And that's what they are. And
[01:34:20] guess what? They all have a chance to
[01:34:22] repent. as long as they got one breath
[01:34:24] left, they can repent and they can turn.
[01:34:26] And I pray that they do.
[01:34:29] But if they're not going to and they're
[01:34:31] going to stay on the route that they're
[01:34:32] on and they're going to come for our
[01:34:33] kids, then they're going to have to deal
[01:34:35] with us. It's just who is us. Us have to
[01:34:38] make ourselves uh clear. This song is
[01:34:42] meant to clarify to them, to the Shawn
[01:34:45] Combmes of the world, who you're talking
[01:34:48] to
[01:34:49] because I don't think you really
[01:34:51] understand it fully.
[01:34:53] And I like that thought,
[01:34:56] [laughter]
[01:34:59] >> John Rich. Thank you.
[01:35:00] >> Thanks for having me, man. Always good.
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