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[00:00:00] All right, welcome back. Hour two of the [00:00:02] Charlie Kirk show is underway and I am [00:00:05] very excited about this conversation [00:00:07] with the great Mike Benz here at the [00:00:10] Bitcoin.com studio. Mike Benz has been [00:00:13] he just had a tour to force on Joe [00:00:15] Rogan. Three hours with the great Joe [00:00:17] Rogan all about Epstein. So much to get [00:00:21] into. We of course had Jay Beecher on [00:00:23] the show yesterday. I loved that [00:00:25] interview. I actually think it's a it [00:00:26] was a sobering kind of analysis of six [00:00:30] years of investig investigative [00:00:31] journalism, but Mike Benz has different [00:00:34] insights. He's seeing different things, [00:00:35] and I want to make sure that we [00:00:37] approximate the truth here by getting uh [00:00:40] Mike Benz's insights in the mix. So, [00:00:43] without further ado, Mike, welcome back [00:00:44] to the show. It's great to have you. [00:00:47] >> Thanks. Thanks for having me, guys. [00:00:48] >> Yeah. Well, I was talking to you a bit [00:00:50] offline. Uh the reason I want to wanted [00:00:53] to have you on is because there is so [00:00:56] much to the Epstein dump. There's 3 [00:00:58] million documents. It's impossible for [00:00:59] one voice. The [00:01:00] >> most recent one. [00:01:01] >> Yeah. To get to get the whole scope of [00:01:03] what's happening here and you you've [00:01:05] been making headlines here. Um I' we've [00:01:08] got clips from your Rogan interview that [00:01:10] we're going to play. You made a lot of [00:01:11] news. In general, just let's start at [00:01:14] the beginning. What do you think that we [00:01:17] learned from this? Has it added contours [00:01:19] to your understanding? [00:01:21] The floor is yours. [00:01:23] >> Oh, an unbelievable amount has been [00:01:25] turned up in this. It's [00:01:28] I guess the way I describe it is it's [00:01:31] shocking, but not surprising. [00:01:34] Uh I don't think there's anything in in [00:01:36] here that has surprised me, but it still [00:01:40] is very shocking to see the details laid [00:01:44] out. And it also confirms in my view [00:01:48] essentially from almost every angle the [00:01:50] way that I've tried to prescribe people [00:01:54] or prescribe people to view Epstein [00:01:59] in context to sort of understand uh the [00:02:03] Epstein cinematic universe beyond a lot [00:02:06] of the kind of simple um easy to grasp [00:02:10] onto things or the things that uh he was [00:02:13] arrested for in my view understanding [00:02:16] the character of Epstein helps [00:02:18] understand the world around you and the [00:02:20] role that he played because there's a [00:02:23] little uh vis of Epstein in almost every [00:02:27] industry, every government, every [00:02:30] intelligence service, uh every private [00:02:33] investment fund. And so, you know, what [00:02:35] we're getting are [00:02:37] the to know something for a fact versus [00:02:41] to have a constellation of [00:02:46] circumstantial evidence is a very [00:02:48] different thing. Um, you know, many of [00:02:51] the allegations around Epstein until [00:02:54] this point [00:02:55] um involved highly compelling [00:02:58] circumstantial evidence, but so much [00:03:00] that has turned up in these files has [00:03:03] just been you know what you'd call in an [00:03:06] evidentiary proceeding a direct evidence [00:03:09] that is it's not oh we think that he was [00:03:12] talking to X or Y because he talked to [00:03:16] 13 of his associates and there's a rumor [00:03:19] going around and someone said that he [00:03:21] did. Now you have a direct email or you [00:03:24] have a uh direct [00:03:27] you know uh you a direct audio file that [00:03:30] says X or Y. we can get all the [00:03:32] specifics of uh what all those things [00:03:34] are because there's frankly 3 million of [00:03:36] them. But um you know I I can either [00:03:40] turn to that or if you guys want to go [00:03:41] in a different direction I'll I'll leave [00:03:43] it to you. [00:03:43] >> Uh so so I'll be honest. One of the [00:03:46] things that I was challenging Jay [00:03:49] Beecher a phenomenal interview. I [00:03:51] encourage everybody to go watch it and [00:03:52] listen to it. But one of the things that [00:03:54] I just couldn't shake was this sense [00:03:58] that I've had that he was an intel asset [00:04:01] or he was working with CIA with with [00:04:05] MSAD whatever and he seemed to be [00:04:08] thinking that you know those claims had [00:04:09] been overblown. Yeah. Why would he work [00:04:11] with MSAD if he could just call Ahoud [00:04:13] Barack or why you know he yes yes he was [00:04:16] involved but it was it was softer. It [00:04:18] was more kind of veiled in business [00:04:20] transactions or whatever. I just [00:04:22] couldn't shake it and I kept pushing him [00:04:23] on that and I've seen that you've kind [00:04:25] of been going into this. You know, [00:04:28] there's this email Robert Maxwell, [00:04:29] Galain's Maxwell apparently threatened [00:04:32] MSAD and you've kind of gone into some [00:04:34] of this but but there's so much there [00:04:36] and I just want to let you make those [00:04:38] connections if they're there if they if [00:04:40] it's true because I I just I feel that [00:04:43] it that there's got to be a there there. [00:04:47] Well, I was laughing because when you [00:04:49] said I couldn't help shake shake the [00:04:51] feeling, I thought, well, you don't say. [00:04:53] I mean, this is a this is a bad week to [00:04:56] be a uh Epstein intelligence denialist. [00:05:00] Uh I I'll give you some we'll we'll [00:05:03] start with the US side of it. Uh, one of [00:05:05] the things that turned up in these [00:05:07] documents that I [00:05:10] again shocked but not surprised is [00:05:13] Epstein foyed the Central Intelligence [00:05:15] Agency twice for records about himself. [00:05:20] First in 1999 and then again in 2011. [00:05:25] Now, uh, Andrew Blake, have you guys [00:05:28] have you ever [00:05:28] >> Yeah. If you're a foy of the CIA to see [00:05:31] what uh any any CIA records about [00:05:34] yourself it has [00:05:36] >> that that wouldn't even occur to me to [00:05:39] contemplate that as an option, [00:05:41] >> you know, I guess, but I'm also not a [00:05:43] billionaire either or sent a [00:05:45] millionaire. [00:05:45] >> Centaillionaire. [00:05:47] >> Okay. Well, would you request for any uh [00:05:50] quote open or acknowledged agency [00:05:53] affiliations? [00:05:55] >> So, that was Okay. Just so I'm [00:05:57] understanding, Mike, he This is in 199 [00:06:00] Did you say 1991 or 2001? [00:06:02] >> 1999. [00:06:03] This is 2 years before he became a [00:06:05] public figure. Right. Okay. At that [00:06:06] point, he was still a private citizen, [00:06:09] not publicly known, not written about in [00:06:11] the mainstream news. It wasn't until [00:06:13] 2001 and 2002 when he began flying the [00:06:18] the most recent president of the United [00:06:20] States, Bill Clinton, around in Africa [00:06:23] on his private jet that the media uh [00:06:27] started to take interest in him. So he [00:06:28] was still basically a a private [00:06:31] operative who basically 2 years before [00:06:35] he became a public figure first asked [00:06:39] the CIA uh if there were any open or [00:06:43] acknowledged links agency affiliations. [00:06:46] What's also interesting is the CIA we we [00:06:49] actually don't have exactly what he [00:06:52] asked the CIA even though I think we [00:06:54] should and I know that we are entitled [00:06:56] to it. Now, I'm happy to report that [00:06:58] after I made a bit of crusade about [00:07:01] this, uh, multiple people have now filed [00:07:03] foyers to the CIA to get Jeffrey [00:07:05] Epstein's correspondence with the CIA, [00:07:07] which is not classified because foyer [00:07:11] requests at the CIA are not. Now, the CI [00:07:14] is obviously not allowed to tell you by [00:07:16] virtue of it being a spy agency any [00:07:18] classified records that it has, but for [00:07:21] example, it can send you declassified [00:07:23] records or if the CIA has acknowledged [00:07:25] any links to a particular individual, it [00:07:28] can send you the records on those. But [00:07:29] what's interesting about that CIA letter [00:07:31] is it says with respect to your request [00:07:34] about open or acknowledged links we have [00:07:37] conducted that we grant the request uh [00:07:41] for documents uh we have searched for [00:07:44] documents no documents are responsive to [00:07:47] uh to that with respect to the portion [00:07:49] of your foyer request that touched on [00:07:52] classified matters we can neither [00:07:55] confirm nor deny the ex existence or [00:07:57] non-existence of such documents. [00:07:59] which means that Jeffrey Epste not only [00:08:01] asked for open and acknowledge agency [00:08:03] links, but also asked something about [00:08:06] himself that was classified. Now, for [00:08:08] what it's worth, that is the same stock [00:08:10] response you get when you ask the CIA [00:08:13] for CIA personnel files. That is so so [00:08:18] he's not yet a public person and he [00:08:21] foyers the CIA, the Central Intelligence [00:08:24] Agency asking for what it has on him [00:08:26] basically. Yes. And we don't know [00:08:28] exactly how he stated his question or [00:08:30] what he included in that. But we do know [00:08:32] that it touched on classified documents [00:08:36] because the CIA's response was, you [00:08:39] know, regarding that specific line of [00:08:42] questioning, we cannot confirm notify. [00:08:44] That is really shocking. Actually, [00:08:47] that's a bombshell. What's very exciting [00:08:49] is is unless [00:08:52] unless the law is not followed and the [00:08:55] justice department does not [00:08:58] um come down on the agency for not [00:09:01] following the law if it doesn't follow [00:09:03] it. We are legally entitled to actually [00:09:05] see the correspondence between the [00:09:08] because they left a in the Epstein [00:09:11] files. Again, none of this was known [00:09:12] until last week that again in 1999 and [00:09:16] then again in 2011 sent an identical [00:09:19] request and now this is before again the [00:09:22] the 2019 rearrest [00:09:24] >> but there's a case reference number so [00:09:26] we know they have the files. [00:09:27] >> Yeah. Got to take a quick break. We're [00:09:29] going to be right back with Mike Benz. [00:09:30] Don't go anywhere. [00:09:34] >> All right. Mike Benz I have a co-host [00:09:36] here. Uh Blake Blake was I could see his [00:09:39] mind thinking he went to Dartmouth. He's [00:09:41] a very smart guy. [00:09:41] >> I know Mike. I know Mike. [00:09:43] >> Mike and I go way back. [00:09:44] >> So Mike Mike we've sp over his theories [00:09:47] on a lot of things on a lot of things [00:09:50] about Blake had an incredulous look on [00:09:52] his face. So I'm going to throw it to [00:09:53] Blake. What What were you thinking, [00:09:55] Blake? [00:09:55] >> Well, I guess I'm just thinking I I just [00:09:58] it strikes me as innately implausible [00:10:02] that EP like that the reveal that [00:10:05] Jeffrey Epstein is an intelligence asset [00:10:07] is that he foyed himself at the CIA. I [00:10:10] guess I would ask [00:10:10] >> why would he do that? [00:10:11] >> Like why would he do that? If the CIA [00:10:13] needed to hide anything, why would they [00:10:15] get outed by their legalistic response [00:10:17] to a foyer request? I think there's like [00:10:20] a lot of ways they could get around [00:10:21] that. I just I find it highly unlikely. [00:10:25] >> Okay. It's done through the Blake. It [00:10:27] was done through the Privacy Act, [00:10:29] meaning there was no public alert. We [00:10:31] only know about this because it's in the [00:10:33] FBI file. This was this is a way if you [00:10:36] go through the privacy act you can see [00:10:38] what records there that are publicly [00:10:41] searchable about you be without it being [00:10:44] revealed to the public so that you can [00:10:47] see what other people would get if they [00:10:49] were to do that same foyer in theory [00:10:52] anyone could do a foyer about Jeffrey [00:10:54] Epstein but if you do it through the [00:10:56] privacy act you get it and you get it [00:10:59] alone and it's kept as a private [00:11:00] correspondence between you and your [00:11:02] lawyer [00:11:02] >> that's smart Mike it's [00:11:04] So, uh, you know, I learned this [00:11:06] yesterday. I I know this is public [00:11:08] information, but it's one of those [00:11:09] pieces of the Epstein saga that people [00:11:11] forget that he was arrested either in [00:11:14] the late 80s or early 90s and his [00:11:17] partner went to prison for it. Anyway, [00:11:20] I'm just saying like [00:11:21] >> he skated free. You're talking about the [00:11:23] tower's financial collapse. [00:11:24] >> Yes. Yes. [00:11:25] >> Uh, which at the time was the biggest [00:11:26] Ponzi scheme um [00:11:29] >> effectively in US history at that time. [00:11:31] But the uh but Epstein is is a where's [00:11:34] Waldo figure. I make I make the argument [00:11:36] that Epstein's intelligence adjacency [00:11:39] started in 1978 1979. [00:11:43] There's kind of a Forest Gump story [00:11:46] around this. When he worked at Beer [00:11:48] Sterns, Beer Sterns was one of the top [00:11:51] three largest clearing houses of the [00:11:53] BCCI bank. That was the CIA's bank. the [00:11:57] the uh it went down in flames in 1990 [00:12:00] when Bill Barr effectively covered it [00:12:02] up. He wrote the pardons for the six [00:12:04] BCCI officials. That's the Bank of [00:12:06] Credit and Commerce International. That [00:12:08] was the CIA's bank for laundering uh [00:12:12] basically gun and drug money to the [00:12:13] Mujaheden in Afghanistan. And you have [00:12:17] to understand in 1979 Iran the Iranian [00:12:20] revolution happened at the very moment [00:12:22] that the CIA was at its weakest because [00:12:25] of the church committee hearings and the [00:12:26] Halloween massacre. And the CIA was [00:12:29] setting up a complex offshore [00:12:31] intelligence web through a network [00:12:34] that's called the Safari Club, the Mount [00:12:36] Kenya Safari Club that was run by Adnan [00:12:39] Kosigible, the the largest arms dealer [00:12:41] in the world, who was the Saudi [00:12:43] middleman between the US and Israel [00:12:45] during the Iran Contra affair. Uh Adnan [00:12:49] Kosogi was Jeffrey Epstein's client when [00:12:52] he started Intercontinental Assets Group [00:12:54] in 1981 after uh the SEC investigation [00:12:58] of him at Beer Sterns for handling um [00:13:02] Edgar Bronman's money on a deal [00:13:04] involving St. Joe's Mineral Company that [00:13:07] uh and Edgar Bronman was you know played [00:13:09] a very senior role in uh policy. He was [00:13:13] the he was the head of the [00:13:16] um [00:13:18] oh my gosh, I know I'm blank on the [00:13:19] name, but it's uh he was he was the head [00:13:21] of a of a major international uh uh [00:13:24] Jewish advocacy group that played a an [00:13:27] effective kind of shadow state [00:13:29] department role in many aspects of the [00:13:30] Iran war. the Reagan administration [00:13:34] uh had this Iran Contra operation that [00:13:37] involved effectively the US and and [00:13:40] Brits uh g getting money getting guns to [00:13:43] Iran to fend off Iraq and and doing it [00:13:47] through Israel with Saudi Arabia as the [00:13:48] middleman. And it's at this time while [00:13:51] Bear Sterns is laundering money [00:13:54] effectively in a CIA uh gun running [00:13:58] operation. This is you have to keep in [00:14:00] mind also there was an international [00:14:01] arms embargo on Iran at the time. So [00:14:04] that was illegal to do. And uh the I [00:14:07] find the Nicaragua side of that the gun [00:14:10] running to the Nicaraguans with the skim [00:14:12] interesting because Jeffrey Epstein had [00:14:14] a very lurid history in South American [00:14:17] affairs. For example, when Gla Maxwell [00:14:20] was was asked by Todd Blanch in her DOJ [00:14:23] interview last year to give an example [00:14:26] of uh Jeffrey Epstein's business [00:14:28] transactions. She could only think of [00:14:31] one example to illustrate it and that [00:14:33] was imagine if the Sinaloa cartel was [00:14:36] owed money by the the Los Zetas cartel [00:14:40] uh or rival cartel and the um they [00:14:44] needed a way to trace the assets of the [00:14:48] of the other cartel to get the money [00:14:50] back. They would hire some they would [00:14:52] hire Jeffrey and Jeffrey would take a [00:14:54] 10% cut a 5 to 10% cut of the money. I [00:14:58] just find that interesting because we're [00:15:00] only 13 years removed uh uh 14 years [00:15:05] removed or so from the Fast and Furious [00:15:07] operation when the Obama White House [00:15:10] green lit an operation to run guns to [00:15:14] the Sinaloa cartel so that they could [00:15:16] win a gang war against the Losas who [00:15:19] were cutting into effectively US [00:15:21] pipeline interests in Mexico. But the [00:15:23] fact is is you need to find you need to [00:15:25] explain how Jeffrey Epstein before the [00:15:27] age of 30 had so many high-profile [00:15:31] clients uh stretching from the Middle [00:15:34] East to France to the UK uh to these [00:15:38] highlevel contacts in Israel. uh that [00:15:41] makes sense given the fundamental [00:15:43] constraints on someone who's 29 30 years [00:15:47] old from handling uh being competent [00:15:49] enough to handle billionaires money and [00:15:52] and the fact is is the fact that he [00:15:54] worked on those deals, the fact that he [00:15:56] was flying back and forth cross country [00:15:58] to visit Doug Lee at that time who was [00:16:02] the main British arms dealer involved in [00:16:04] Iran Contra. the fact that he was living [00:16:07] at the time with Stanley Potinger, who [00:16:09] was the CIA's mop-up man, who literally [00:16:11] also got uh investigated by the FBI for [00:16:15] running those same guns to Iran, but [00:16:18] then the case was magically dropped when [00:16:20] the FBI said the audio recordings that [00:16:23] they had on him malfunctioned. [00:16:25] >> Um, it's it's his whole career. [00:16:28] >> Yeah, this this I'm Listen, I'm riveted [00:16:31] right here. We're going to take a quick [00:16:32] break. We'll be right back with Mike [00:16:33] Benz. [00:16:37] Flu season doesn't wait and neither [00:16:39] should you. [music] The smart move is to [00:16:40] prepare before anyone in your family [00:16:42] gets sick. That's why we recommend All [00:16:44] Family Pharmacy. They let you stock up [00:16:46] ahead of time on [music] tamlu, [00:16:48] antibiotics, antivirals, ivormectin, [00:16:50] vitamins, and more delivered right to [00:16:52] your door. And the best part, every [00:16:54] order includes the doctor's [00:16:56] prescription. So [music] there's no [00:16:57] insurance hassles or last minute [00:16:58] pharmacy runs. Be proactive, not [00:17:01] reactive. Prepare today. Visit [00:17:03] allfamilyfarm pharmacy.com/kirk [00:17:05] [music] and use code kirk10 to save 10% [00:17:08] today. [00:17:13] All right, so Mike, summing up, I mean [00:17:16] your mind is like a it's it's you just [00:17:19] like have this incredible ability to [00:17:22] capture all of these connections. It's [00:17:23] truly truly amazing. And so if I'm going [00:17:26] to sum up what you were getting at and I [00:17:28] was I was taking notes. I was trying to [00:17:29] track each piece. You only f foyer [00:17:32] yourself at the CIA if you've got a lot [00:17:35] of reason to believe that they've [00:17:37] they've either got stuff on you, they've [00:17:39] got personnel files on you, whatever. [00:17:41] When you've got all these the smoke, [00:17:42] there's got to be fire with all these [00:17:44] connections, all these connections to [00:17:46] Iran, Nicaragua, whatever. All these [00:17:49] relationships, it it has to mean [00:17:52] something. This can't just be pure [00:17:55] coincidence. He wasn't just like a good [00:17:57] good party boy that uh that liked to [00:17:59] hang out with Prince Andrew. like [00:18:00] there's more going on here. You so you [00:18:03] were touching on the American side. Are [00:18:06] there are there connections that you [00:18:07] would draw with MSAD or Israeli [00:18:10] intelligence? What about Russia Russian [00:18:12] intelligence? [00:18:14] >> Well, absolutely. And and these are all [00:18:15] linked. So, as I mentioned, Jeffrey [00:18:19] Epstein was handling the money for the [00:18:21] CIA's point person between the US and [00:18:24] Israel uh in 1983 [00:18:28] when Adnan Kosogi, Epstein's client, [00:18:30] flies to uh Washington DC to meet with [00:18:34] Robert McFarland, the national security [00:18:35] adviser to plan this operation. And uh [00:18:40] that itself would be something I would [00:18:42] think the crucial middleman who's also [00:18:44] rumored at the time to be the world's [00:18:46] richest person and who earned more adnan [00:18:48] Kosigible. Oh okay. Yes. Of course. [00:18:51] Yeah. [00:18:51] >> So but but the point is is at at that [00:18:54] point that was a coordination between [00:18:56] American intelligence and Israeli [00:18:58] intelligence. Who was running Israeli [00:19:00] military intelligence at that time from [00:19:02] 1983 to 1985? It was Aud Barack. Ah [00:19:06] Barack uh the even before this week's [00:19:09] drop had been documented something like [00:19:11] 47 times at Jeffrey Epstein's house and [00:19:15] were business partners on uh Carbine 911 [00:19:18] and and uh did business deals together [00:19:22] in uh everywhere from Mongolia to [00:19:25] Kivvoir [00:19:26] uh to uh Ahud Barack uh seeking [00:19:31] um uh Jeffrey Epstein's council for how [00:19:33] to evade sanctions on Russia. [00:19:36] uh after the 2014 Crimea affair. But the [00:19:39] fact is is what what these new [00:19:41] revelations show is a much much deeper [00:19:45] and and complete uh overlap for many [00:19:50] years between Epstein and Barack in a [00:19:53] way that is really I'll give you an [00:19:55] example. One of the things that surfaced [00:19:56] here and that I I blew up. I think it's [00:19:59] sitting at about 6 and a half million [00:20:00] views right now is Jeffrey Epstein [00:20:03] secretly recording uh Barack during a [00:20:06] three-hour conversation they had while [00:20:08] Barak was the sitting minister of [00:20:11] defense. Now, now understand uh Hud [00:20:13] Barack went from running Israel's most [00:20:15] elite covert commando unit to running [00:20:18] Israeli military intelligence to [00:20:20] becoming the prime minister of Israel [00:20:23] who MSAD reports directly to. The MSAD [00:20:26] is structured to sit in the prime [00:20:29] minister's office effectively answers [00:20:32] directly to. Uh and so it's not [00:20:36] structured quite the same way as our [00:20:37] CIA. And then Barack became effectively [00:20:40] the equivalent of the head of our [00:20:42] Pentagon, which means constant [00:20:44] coordination with MSAD, but but it's [00:20:46] also more, you know, he's more closely [00:20:49] affiliated with Aman, which is Israeli [00:20:51] military intelligence. And the fact that [00:20:53] he was the head of it while that, and [00:20:56] this is also how you see Epstein so [00:20:57] involved in the arms trade, both in the [00:20:59] US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, the UK, and [00:21:01] always working with these arms dealers. [00:21:03] But what I'm getting at is in this [00:21:05] conversation, Ahoud Barack is one one [00:21:09] month before he leaves office as the [00:21:11] head of Israel's military and he's [00:21:13] looking to make it big in the private [00:21:14] sector. So Epstein records under the [00:21:17] table, I guess the FBI is a three-hour [00:21:19] recording of this, a three-hour coaching [00:21:22] session where Jeffrey Epstein um [00:21:25] instructs Ahoud Barack on how to convert [00:21:28] his lifetime of accumulated government [00:21:31] power into getting rich on the outside [00:21:34] with in private business. And what he [00:21:37] tells Aud Barack is stop focusing on [00:21:40] your uh you know skills, your military [00:21:44] background and the things you've [00:21:45] accomplished. That doesn't that's not [00:21:48] going to get you money. That's not why [00:21:49] people are going to pay you. What you [00:21:51] need to do is compile a list of people [00:21:54] who owe you something. I owe you. Think [00:21:58] think people who owe you favors. Now is [00:22:01] the time to call in those favors. And [00:22:03] what what what I find so fascinating [00:22:06] about this is one, you know, on the one [00:22:08] hand, someone who's worked in these kind [00:22:11] of Israeli military and intelligence [00:22:13] adjacent networks for 40 years is now [00:22:18] literally helping that person cash in on [00:22:21] the outside. Uh but it also shows a kind [00:22:24] of the mercenary aspect of Epstein's [00:22:27] operation. um he was secretly recording [00:22:30] the head of the Israeli military, not [00:22:32] the other way around, which I just think [00:22:34] is kind of an interesting [00:22:37] >> uh you know, through the Isn't that a [00:22:39] point kind of against some of this? I [00:22:41] guess it just it seems like [00:22:43] so much of the argument that he's [00:22:45] running this masterful [00:22:48] blackmail ring, this or is part of all [00:22:50] this intel stuff is presumably that [00:22:52] stuff would be well hidden. And yet so [00:22:54] much of this is actually quite public, [00:22:56] somewhat glaring. And then once we also [00:22:59] start digging out stuff that was [00:23:01] originally hidden, it doesn't seem to [00:23:03] produce that much of a smoking gun. I [00:23:05] mean, uh Barack, [00:23:07] >> he's I mean, he gets attacked by like [00:23:09] the first person to basically bring this [00:23:11] to public light as a big deal is [00:23:13] Benjamin Netanyahu. He attacks him about [00:23:14] it in Israeli politics. In fact, I think [00:23:17] they're attacking him about it right now [00:23:18] because they say, I guess some some of [00:23:20] the conversations they say Epstein was [00:23:22] kind of a liberal and he wanted to like [00:23:24] make Israel more liberal and all of [00:23:26] that, [00:23:27] >> right? But I mean, every country has [00:23:30] got, you know, heterodox political [00:23:33] factionalism. the the the US as well as [00:23:36] I mean a change in leadership or a [00:23:39] change in what faction of RCIA is [00:23:42] dominant can determine whether or not a [00:23:44] foreign country's government lives or [00:23:46] dies. I mean the fact is is what you [00:23:49] know when Biden's in control of the CIA [00:23:51] you get things like the government of [00:23:53] Brazil turns over. You know when uh when [00:23:56] Trump becomes head of the government [00:23:58] suddenly the CIA US aid operations in [00:24:00] Hungary stop. And so there is a similar [00:24:03] thing in in Israel in terms of whether [00:24:06] or not you have an Aud Barack or a [00:24:08] Benjamin Netanyahu government. And [00:24:10] what's interesting in these files is it [00:24:12] describes how hard it was for them to [00:24:13] even get a meeting with Netanyahu. [00:24:16] And you see audac [00:24:20] uh playing a not as significant role in [00:24:23] the uh you know Biden world. He was uh [00:24:27] closely affiliated with the west exec uh [00:24:30] faction. If you guys remember uh that in [00:24:33] between period when the uh Hillary [00:24:35] Clinton folks were out of power, but [00:24:38] before they uh Biden got in, basically [00:24:41] every major person in the cabinet was a [00:24:43] part of a private consulting group [00:24:45] called West Exec. It had Avil Haynes, [00:24:47] Anthony Blinkin, you know, pretty much [00:24:50] all the people who would populate the [00:24:52] cabinet and they worked very closely [00:24:54] with the Hood Barack. I believe he even [00:24:56] um funded them or hired them uh for you [00:24:59] know private consulting type things. But [00:25:02] you know what you what you see is is it [00:25:04] is true that a a foreign country's you [00:25:08] know spy apparatus or covert influence [00:25:10] apparatus does have an effect on [00:25:13] American politics. I don't think it's [00:25:16] wrong in any sense to call that out. I [00:25:18] think that it is it has been silly to [00:25:20] try to deny any links between Epstein [00:25:24] and Israel. It's all over the place for [00:25:26] his whole career. But the fact is is [00:25:30] this class of person a outside financial [00:25:33] fixer uh is [00:25:36] while they are affiliated with [00:25:37] governments there is also a on again [00:25:40] offagain only if it's good for me type [00:25:43] relationship that happens. Like I don't [00:25:44] think Epstein I I would not be surprised [00:25:47] if Epstein sent those foyas not because [00:25:50] he worked at or for CIA but that he [00:25:53] occasionally worked with CIA when it was [00:25:56] profitable for himself and his partner [00:25:58] network and he wanted to know if that [00:26:02] adjacency might turn up in a public [00:26:04] record search. Same thing with his [00:26:06] connections with Israel. He certainly [00:26:08] worked uh with high level Israeli [00:26:11] intelligence and mil military figures. [00:26:14] That doesn't mean he gets a paycheck [00:26:16] from from it necessarily. There are [00:26:18] these affinity networks where you [00:26:20] yourself can get rich by doing a favor [00:26:22] for people in government. I believe [00:26:24] that's likely the case with Epstein both [00:26:27] in the US and in Israel and likely uh [00:26:30] you know when you look at the UK and [00:26:32] French and Saudi webs it looks like uh [00:26:35] in a at a much less involved level uh [00:26:39] there are there's a there there too. [00:26:42] Well, it it makes it makes perfect sense [00:26:44] to me that he was worried that it would [00:26:46] be public information, especially as his [00:26:49] uh he became more famous and he would [00:26:51] kind of probably had an inkling that he [00:26:52] was getting more and more high-profile [00:26:54] that he wanted to check to see what was [00:26:56] publicly available. If somebody else [00:26:58] could find this out about him, about, [00:27:00] you know, what the CIA had scooped up on [00:27:01] him. [00:27:02] >> I mean, if he's an intel operative, why [00:27:03] would he have to make the application [00:27:04] himself? [00:27:05] >> Well, because he's probably understand [00:27:07] you do it Well, let me just correct [00:27:09] that. He did it through his lawyer using [00:27:12] the privacy act which is the way you do [00:27:14] that if you want to effectively [00:27:16] anonymously see what other people would [00:27:19] see if they had filed that foil. [00:27:21] >> Okay. But he's also apparently he's like [00:27:23] an intel asset. I just I feel like this [00:27:25] is kind of cheat code stuff. [00:27:29] You got you got to you got to be precise [00:27:30] with your language. Okay. The there is a [00:27:33] difference between an asset and a [00:27:35] contact and and this is very important. [00:27:38] I I've done lectures on 20 different [00:27:42] figures in recent American history who [00:27:46] were CIA contacts, facilitators, [00:27:49] logistical support notes, but that do [00:27:51] not rise to the level of asset. Asset is [00:27:54] a technical term that requires the [00:27:58] compilation of a 2011 personality file. [00:28:02] That is if you are a formal asset but [00:28:06] Epstein could have done all of this with [00:28:09] intelligence appears to have done it [00:28:12] with US int but only on an off and on [00:28:15] basis not as a okay the CI told me to do [00:28:18] it therefore I have to do it. [00:28:21] >> Sorry I got to just take a quick break. [00:28:23] Loving the back and forth. We'll be [00:28:25] right back. [00:28:28] [music] [00:28:30] >> All right. All right, welcome back to [00:28:31] the Charlie Kirk show. Mike, you were [00:28:33] making this point. It's a really [00:28:35] important point, the difference of [00:28:36] between an asset and a contact. Uh, I [00:28:39] want to make sure you have a chance to [00:28:40] finish that point. [00:28:41] >> Well, this is a really important one [00:28:43] because a lot of people don't understand [00:28:46] the sticky gooey layer, the the mortar [00:28:49] between the bricks when it comes to [00:28:50] intelligence work and non-intelligence [00:28:53] work. There is a vast web of kind of [00:28:56] pererry intelligence intelligence [00:28:58] adjacent adjacencies that is the way in [00:29:02] which intelligence work is done. Uh by [00:29:04] its very nature anything that is a [00:29:06] covert action cannot be actualized [00:29:11] uh by a overt I admit I am a CIA there's [00:29:15] the the hard and fast distinction uh is [00:29:18] is literally impossible. what you have [00:29:20] is a is a layer of contacts that [00:29:23] facilitate that action and sometimes [00:29:25] those are formal assets. Uh often and in [00:29:28] their most significant form they're [00:29:30] actually not. And I can give you a bunch [00:29:31] of examples. [00:29:31] >> But Mike, you you did this with you [00:29:33] exposed a lot of this with the [00:29:34] censorship industrial complex, how the [00:29:36] government basically figured out that [00:29:38] they could outsource certain actions [00:29:39] that were would be deemed illegal if it [00:29:42] was done directly by the government. [00:29:43] Right? And so it follows that that this [00:29:46] is the exact same formula that they were [00:29:48] using somebody like a Jeffrey Epstein [00:29:50] for. Um I I I there's so much explosive [00:29:54] stuff. Uh you you've said on Joe Rogan [00:29:58] that you didn't think that he was [00:29:59] actually his main motive was [00:30:01] blackmailing people uh necessarily. [00:30:05] >> I wanted to Yeah. [00:30:07] >> Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, this is [00:30:09] something that, you know, is because [00:30:13] people have gotten so invested in it. [00:30:15] Uh, I I you know, you're sort of trying [00:30:17] to stop a runaway train when you when [00:30:19] you say it. But, but it's just the [00:30:20] simple fact. Uh, first of all, Epstein [00:30:23] wouldn't have enough time in the day to [00:30:24] run some sort of uh, you know, uh, [00:30:28] global [00:30:30] uh, you know, pedto ring in an organized [00:30:33] and structured fashion. I mean the guy [00:30:35] is you know 12 funds and the [00:30:40] all the the business and meetings [00:30:42] influence nodes he's in science [00:30:44] technology military gun running uh you [00:30:48] know all these different yeah to to be a [00:30:51] full-time pimp like that uh I I don't [00:30:54] even know is is technically possible. [00:30:55] The main thing is is I do think it is [00:30:58] possible that there could be a blackmail [00:31:00] element in the sense that if you compile [00:31:04] certain things on if you have something [00:31:05] on you could sell that to a corporate [00:31:07] espionage client or to an intelligence [00:31:09] client and there could be some sort of [00:31:11] indirect uh blackmail capacity that [00:31:14] other people have. None of that uh has [00:31:16] ever been proven or there's no even open [00:31:19] leads to follow. But the second is is [00:31:21] your entire network would everything [00:31:23] you've built would crash down in an [00:31:25] instant the moment that rumor is even [00:31:28] around. That rumor didn't arise about an [00:31:30] Epstein blackmail until after he was [00:31:32] already arrested and uh you know dead in [00:31:35] a jail cell somehow. Uh if that if you [00:31:38] blackmail one person offensively, [00:31:41] uh the people tell their wives that they [00:31:44] go through a major crisis of PR in terms [00:31:47] of they may tell their publicist and [00:31:49] their and their wife and no other soul, [00:31:51] but wives talk to wives. And the moment [00:31:54] one person that's friends with Jeffrey [00:31:56] Epstein tells another person, "Hey, [00:31:59] don't mess around with that guy. That [00:32:00] guy threatened me with stuff." Then all [00:32:02] the parties stop. All the access stops. [00:32:05] all the confidant relationships stop. [00:32:07] Now, I do think it's possible that he [00:32:09] could uh defensively blackmail someone, [00:32:12] if you will, which is that if somebody [00:32:14] says, "Hey, I know that the dirt you [00:32:16] were involved with. I'm going to tell [00:32:18] the I'm going to tell NBC News this [00:32:20] happened at your party." And he goes, [00:32:21] "Ah, not so fast. You were at that party [00:32:24] and look what I have you on tape doing." [00:32:27] That's very possible. I mean, you saw [00:32:30] you saw, for example, I remember seeing [00:32:32] a clip from a long time ago and not [00:32:34] throwing any shade at Milo Yiannopoulos [00:32:36] when I say this, but I remember him [00:32:38] holding up like a, you know, like a [00:32:41] recording or something of just uh of [00:32:43] just saying, "Listen, when I talk to [00:32:45] people, I you know, I try to have it on [00:32:46] tape." Now, I don't think Milo's ever [00:32:50] offensively blackmailed someone with [00:32:52] that, but I can see when you are a high [00:32:54] net worth or highly influential public [00:32:57] figure and like you know you in case [00:32:59] anyone comes after you, you have [00:33:01] something on them, but that doesn't mean [00:33:03] it's like some highly organized [00:33:07] uh like I mean he did that for example [00:33:09] with the head of Israeli the the Israeli [00:33:12] military. Do you think that I mean he [00:33:14] was under the table recording him for 3 [00:33:16] hours. Do you think that he was [00:33:18] >> Yeah, exactly. So the question is if he [00:33:20] wasn't motivated by blackmailing or [00:33:23] honeypotss or whatever, what was he [00:33:25] motivated by? We have three minutes [00:33:27] left. Mike, I could talk to you for [00:33:29] hours and hours. So [00:33:30] >> there's a million reasons he could have [00:33:31] been. He's gotten in trouble his whole [00:33:33] life. I mean, but when he was 27 years [00:33:35] old, he got in trouble at Bear Sterns. [00:33:37] Uh, you know, on both on the SEC thing [00:33:39] and another intra office thing. He may [00:33:41] have had a bad experience where someone [00:33:44] tried to blackmail him and he goes I [00:33:45] wish I had recorded uh you know that [00:33:48] thing because they were doing dirty [00:33:49] stuff too and then made a practice of it [00:33:51] and then when he you the more property [00:33:53] he owned he just had everything hooked [00:33:55] up. We don't we that's a hard thing to [00:33:58] substantiate given that this guy who's [00:34:00] got 100,000 highle people in his rolodex [00:34:03] not a single one after his death after [00:34:05] he couldn't even drop the blackmail has [00:34:07] even has even made an allegation that [00:34:09] Epstein tried to blackmail. So there's [00:34:11] no open leads on it and there's an [00:34:12] entire cinematic universe that is very [00:34:15] useful for understanding the modern day. [00:34:16] As you pointed out, the censorship [00:34:19] industrial complex is structured the [00:34:20] same way the Epstein network is, the [00:34:22] same way intelligence work is. uh these [00:34:25] the the data points to mind here in [00:34:27] terms of uh what we can understand about [00:34:29] our own government, what we can [00:34:31] understand about our relationship with [00:34:32] foreign governments, how to understand [00:34:34] uh New York hedge funds and the role [00:34:36] that they exert or uh high finance or [00:34:39] London banks exert. Uh [00:34:42] there's a there's a whole world to see [00:34:44] in in the Epstein looking glass and and [00:34:47] I think that should be that's primarily [00:34:49] my focus. People are free to [00:34:50] >> Yeah. No, I think you're think you're [00:34:52] right. I think you're super right. Um, [00:34:54] I'm I I mean I'm convinced there's just [00:34:55] too much smoke there to not be a little [00:34:58] bit of fire, even if it's not as [00:34:59] sensational as some would make it. I I [00:35:01] just I just I was pushing back with Jay [00:35:04] because I felt like there was something [00:35:06] >> I would close out with my my closing [00:35:07] thought here would be I I feel like for [00:35:10] years I mean Epstein died [00:35:12] >> almost seven years ago at this point. [00:35:13] It's crazy how long it's been. But it it [00:35:16] seems like I know you've pushed back on [00:35:18] this, but the widespread assumption is, [00:35:20] oh, this had to all be explained as part [00:35:22] of a big blackmail ring and that would [00:35:24] justify the intelligence connections. [00:35:26] But as you point out, nobody's made a [00:35:29] blackmail allegation. Nobody talked [00:35:31] about it being blackmailed. It it turns [00:35:33] out there kind of is no blackmail [00:35:35] because if no one's alleging it and [00:35:36] there's no evidence of it, it seems to [00:35:38] have not happened. And at that point, [00:35:40] like you pull on the thread and so many [00:35:45] there's so many interlocking [00:35:46] assumptions. Oh well, he was doing [00:35:47] blackmail. What would he do blackmail [00:35:49] with? Oh, well, it was these underage [00:35:50] girls, so he would get comprom. But we [00:35:53] don't have examples of that being used. [00:35:55] I just I feel like there's so many [00:35:57] interlocking assumptions that I find [00:35:59] questionable. We can go over a little [00:36:01] bit here for podcast and stream. I It's [00:36:04] too important. I want to make sure we [00:36:06] finish this. I got to say goodbye to our [00:36:07] Real America's Voice team. Go ahead. [00:36:10] >> People People latched on to that what [00:36:12] Blake just said because they didn't [00:36:14] understand all of this and there was no [00:36:15] other way for most normie civilians to [00:36:17] even understand the Epstein operation. [00:36:20] And that's my concern is that all of [00:36:22] that that momentum was all built up [00:36:24] because nobody was saying all of this [00:36:26] with a with a large platform. Uh and so [00:36:29] that became the only explanation even [00:36:32] though in my view there's not much of a [00:36:34] there there. [00:36:34] >> Mike Mike give give us a few more [00:36:37] minutes on the other side of the break. [00:36:38] Real America's voice. We'll see you [00:36:39] tomorrow. [00:36:42] [music] [00:36:42] >> Mike, you still there? [00:36:44] >> Yeah. [00:36:45] >> All right. Yeah. I I I I think that's a [00:36:47] really interesting point because it you [00:36:49] guys actually do sort of agree on this [00:36:50] because I've talked to you about it off [00:36:52] off air. how because there isn't sort of [00:36:56] a a rational explanation for stuff that [00:36:59] creates a vacuum and the most [00:37:00] sensationalized version of events fills [00:37:04] that because that's what's flies on the [00:37:06] internet or whatever [00:37:07] >> sensational versions and also things [00:37:08] that aren't proven become fact a thing I [00:37:11] mentioned if you want to comment on this [00:37:12] Mike but a thing I mentioned with our [00:37:14] guest yesterday that stood out to me was [00:37:16] how I heard over and over it was kind of [00:37:18] taken as an article of truth I saw it [00:37:20] repeated in many articles that the [00:37:22] prosecutor in Epstein's Florida case had [00:37:25] told the Trump administration, "Oh, [00:37:28] well, Epstein belonged to I was told he [00:37:30] belonged to intelligence, so I didn't [00:37:31] pursue it." And I heard that over and [00:37:33] over again. And then it turned out I was [00:37:35] reminded that was an anon unnamed source [00:37:40] providing hearsay that they said someone [00:37:42] told I think the Washington Post that [00:37:44] they'd heard this or not and then he [00:37:47] denied it, not even publicly. He denied [00:37:49] it in a statement to the Trump [00:37:51] administration that we then surfaced [00:37:53] with these files. And that just got me [00:37:56] thinking that was such a core part of [00:37:58] what people used to argue for this and [00:38:01] it was a kind of runaway hearsay [00:38:03] statement that if anything has direct [00:38:05] evidence against it. [00:38:07] >> Right. Right. And no, and I saw that [00:38:09] that was in the OPR report that uh uh in [00:38:12] during the Justice Department uh [00:38:14] investigation, but I have my own [00:38:16] questions about that. I don't know how [00:38:17] to feel about that um allegation in in I [00:38:22] I agree with you that it is not a the [00:38:25] core receipt so to speak uh to base any [00:38:28] of this on because it's contested and uh [00:38:32] I I do think that the way the question [00:38:35] was phrased in terms of the OPR this is [00:38:38] the office of professional [00:38:39] responsibility in the justice department [00:38:41] I think the way it was phrased and the [00:38:44] lack of any follow-up questions uh [00:38:47] beyond just you know did you have [00:38:49] knowledge that he was an asset sort of [00:38:50] thing um leaves the door open but I'm [00:38:54] think that there's so many other layers [00:38:58] of it that uh that speak to it and again [00:39:02] I'm I'm very curious to see now that the [00:39:04] fi the foyers have been fired uh what [00:39:07] the CIA comes back and says because they [00:39:09] are legally required to give us that [00:39:12] correspondence. uh one of the things [00:39:14] that I pointed out earlier today on X [00:39:16] was it we have because we have the file [00:39:19] reference numbers for the whole back and [00:39:22] forth of the FOYAS now while through the [00:39:24] privacy act it's not you know publicly [00:39:27] searchable that you sent that there is a [00:39:30] it is not inherently classified [00:39:32] communication between the CIA and [00:39:34] Epstein's lawyer for for for Epstein [00:39:36] records which means if you have the [00:39:39] reference number the they're required to [00:39:42] send it to you unless They classified [00:39:45] that correspondence after the fact. And [00:39:49] if the CIA drags its feet on this FOYA, [00:39:52] if it obstructs, if it says you can't [00:39:55] have it for one of two reasons. One, we [00:39:57] classified it, that says something [00:39:59] pretty damning. Or two, we lost it. We [00:40:03] our our record somehow deleted it [00:40:05] between 2011 and 2019. I would demand a [00:40:09] justice department investigation into [00:40:12] that in terms of who at CIA may have [00:40:15] deleted it or uh how it may have uh when [00:40:19] exactly the files were no longer [00:40:21] retained. If it turns out that uh you [00:40:23] know the CIA says we don't have it and [00:40:27] then an FBI investigation into the [00:40:29] forensics of why they don't have it says [00:40:31] well it got deleted in our system in a [00:40:33] fluke malfunction on uh you know July [00:40:35] 10th 2019. I think that tells you [00:40:39] something as well. Um but uh you know [00:40:42] the fact is is [00:40:45] from this from the CIA's work through [00:40:47] BCC BCCI while Bear Sterns uh was [00:40:51] handling the clearing of those CIA [00:40:55] transactions through the Adnan Kosogi [00:40:58] Iran Contra affair. Now here's another [00:41:00] one. The CI the CIA's proprietary [00:41:02] airline, Southern Air Transport, used an [00:41:04] Iran Contra that Jeffrey Epstein was [00:41:06] handling the CIA main point man's main [00:41:10] operatives uh transactions for that very [00:41:14] gunrunning CIA proprietary airline, [00:41:16] Southern Air Transport. Epste negotiated [00:41:19] its move to Columbus, Ohio, where [00:41:23] Jeffrey Epstein was running the limited [00:41:26] out of when he got durable power of [00:41:28] attorney. Can I mean Blake Andrew can [00:41:30] you guys uh negotiate the the move of a [00:41:35] CI proprietary airline to serve your [00:41:37] business? Now at that time Sonire [00:41:39] Transport just two years earlier had [00:41:41] divested. So it was no longer owned by [00:41:43] the CIA and operated by the CIA. It was [00:41:46] owned to a CIA, a retired CIA agent who [00:41:51] had been who had been part of its [00:41:53] management team while it was CIA. So [00:41:55] it's technically a private business. But [00:41:57] then it goes uh to serve Jeffrey [00:41:59] Epstein's C. By the way, just two years [00:42:01] after that, the State Department leased [00:42:04] one of the largest residential buildings [00:42:05] in New York City to Jeffrey Epstein [00:42:09] right after it seized it from the [00:42:11] government of Iran. Uh so Jeffrey [00:42:13] Epstein had his the State Department as [00:42:16] his personal landlord after seizing. I [00:42:19] mean, uh, can you go on Zillow or or [00:42:23] Airbnb or, uh, [00:42:25] >> has the State Department ever been your [00:42:27] personal landlord? And by the way, the [00:42:29] only reason that Jeff that that [00:42:31] arrangement ended up uh expiring was [00:42:34] because Jeffrey Epstein violated the [00:42:36] terms of his agreement with the State [00:42:38] Department by subleasasing it out to two [00:42:41] of the lawyers for both the French [00:42:44] Connection and Pizza Connection [00:42:45] scandals, which were both CIA drug [00:42:48] running scandals from the prior decade. [00:42:51] The French Connection was the CIA's role [00:42:54] in facilitating illegal narcotics from [00:42:56] Lebanon to France. And the pizza [00:42:58] connection scandal was when there was a [00:43:02] basically a CIA protected trans [00:43:05] shshipment of drugs to Italian mafia [00:43:08] organizations in New York and New Jersey [00:43:11] that was laundered through pizza shops. [00:43:13] So I I mean the whole thing up and down [00:43:16] you can trace it to the kind of CIA [00:43:18] earthquake of the Carter administration [00:43:21] giving way to this kind of uh USI Israel [00:43:24] Iran uh you know Iran Saudi Iran foreign [00:43:28] policy web and then it just metastasized [00:43:31] from there as as all these things [00:43:34] require money. Hedge funds and private [00:43:36] equity funds get in on the action. [00:43:38] Epstein makes his way from the, you [00:43:40] know, uh, finance world to the, you [00:43:43] know, kind of, uh, [00:43:44] >> fixer world, [00:43:45] >> financial bounty hunter hunter world [00:43:47] into the high finance world. [00:43:49] >> And you can trace US, Israeli, British, [00:43:53] uh, and to some degree, you know, French [00:43:55] and Saudi foreign policy for decades [00:43:57] through the figure of Jeffrey Epstein. [00:43:58] M. [00:43:59] >> Mike, I had to ask you about this, and I [00:44:00] I know we're going long here, so thank [00:44:02] you for your time. The there was like [00:44:04] now all of a sudden there's like a [00:44:06] there's like George W. Bush is in the in [00:44:08] these emails and so is uh Mcronone from [00:44:12] France. Like I [00:44:15] Yeah, go ahead. [laughter] [00:44:17] George HW Bush was the CIA director in [00:44:20] 1975 [00:44:21] and the Safari Club grew out of his [00:44:24] network. The the Koshog the whole Kosogi [00:44:27] family. You have to understand, I mean, [00:44:29] George HW Bush was the CIA director and [00:44:32] then, you know, played this very [00:44:34] interesting role in the October surprise [00:44:36] around Iran and then was the vice [00:44:38] president of the Reagan administration [00:44:40] during Iran Contra and was effectively [00:44:43] the blocker to protect Reagan on it. A [00:44:46] lot of people think he was kind of the [00:44:48] main progenitor of the whole Iran Contra [00:44:51] affair. It was it was when he became [00:44:53] president, his attorney general was Bill [00:44:55] Barr who not only was the cover up. He [00:44:57] who started his career in the CIA for [00:45:00] the first seven years of his career. He [00:45:01] only became a lawyer and then the [00:45:03] attorney general cuz he went to law [00:45:04] school at night while he was in the CIA. [00:45:07] The the Democrat media in the early [00:45:09] 1980s blamed him for the CIA blocking [00:45:12] the congressional investigations into [00:45:14] Iran Contra. And then while he picked [00:45:16] Bill Bar as his AG, Bill Barr wrote the [00:45:19] pardons for the uh six BCCI officials [00:45:23] who were cleared of any wrongdoing in [00:45:25] the CIA banks disaster. [00:45:28] [laughter] [00:45:30] [gasps] [00:45:30] >> There's a lot. [00:45:30] >> I mean, I'm just getting started. [00:45:32] >> I know, man. There's so much smoke. [00:45:33] There has to be fire. That's where I [00:45:35] That's where I'm at. I listen I I think [00:45:39] I I just want to kind of synthesize this [00:45:41] for our audience that's listened to day [00:45:43] one with Jay Beecher and day two with [00:45:46] Mike Benz. I think so much of this has [00:45:49] been sensationalized. Oh, like [00:45:51] especially a lot of the sex stuff, you [00:45:52] know, you know, apparently you find out [00:45:54] he was deformed and he had erectile [00:45:57] dysfunction and he wasn't even able to [00:46:00] like perform. term. I hate to, you know, [00:46:01] I'm trying to be sensitive for our [00:46:03] 11-year-olds that might be listening, [00:46:04] but but but the point is some of that [00:46:06] stuff, I think, has been really [00:46:07] sensationalized. The underage girl [00:46:09] things, I think Jay had a lot of really [00:46:10] interesting intel on. Virginia Guthrie [00:46:13] was apparently uh recruiting them and [00:46:16] they were presenting themselves as over [00:46:17] 18. Whether he knew or not, I don't [00:46:19] know. That's that's a big question mark. [00:46:21] He he liked them young. There's no [00:46:23] doubt. 18 to 25 is was his presumption. [00:46:27] The point I'm making is there's been a [00:46:28] lot of sensationalism around that. A lot [00:46:30] of sensationalism around the blackmail. [00:46:32] But one of the questions that I go back [00:46:34] to is what JD Vance said. Why was this [00:46:36] man able to make so much money when [00:46:39] basically everybody with a brain finance [00:46:41] brain says that he was like subpar [00:46:45] mediocre at finance at best. Some say he [00:46:47] was good at avoiding taxes. Okay. But [00:46:50] some of the the video that we have of [00:46:51] him talking finance, people are are not [00:46:53] impressed. People that should be [00:46:54] impressed are not impressed. So the [00:46:56] question is how did he make all his [00:46:58] money? What you present is a theory or [00:47:00] connections that seem to believe make me [00:47:02] believe that there's smoke, there could [00:47:04] be fire. Seems like a lot of fire in [00:47:05] this area. And and so it's like kind of [00:47:07] like both of these angles feel like they [00:47:10] have truth in them. And then in the in [00:47:12] the in the void of where there's [00:47:14] details, the internet runs in and [00:47:16] sensationalizes, you know, to the max. [00:47:18] Is that is that a fair summation kind [00:47:21] of? [00:47:22] >> Yeah, I think so. I think I think one of [00:47:24] the reasons that um [00:47:28] I think people's intuition about the [00:47:30] immensity of what's hidden about the [00:47:32] Epstein story is completely true, but [00:47:36] the the rush to fill the vacuum of that [00:47:39] uh is is filled with things they can [00:47:42] understand. And the fact is is you when [00:47:45] I'm talking about all these networks, [00:47:47] America does not yet have the language [00:47:49] to put these things into words because [00:47:52] they don't [00:47:53] these things are hidden from them in [00:47:56] part because we have a national security [00:47:58] state. We have all of our state craft is [00:48:01] classified under you know as as a you [00:48:04] know foreign policy and and sensitive [00:48:06] and and the fact is is you know this is [00:48:09] this is something that makes our [00:48:10] politics Coke and Pepsi. The fact that [00:48:12] these networks are not talked about on [00:48:15] network news. The fact is is they can [00:48:18] only really be shared through social [00:48:20] media networks and the like. Which is [00:48:21] why I think that that the collective [00:48:23] understanding on this particularly on [00:48:25] the right because the right uh you know [00:48:28] there there's kind of a universal thump [00:48:30] goes around moment here in so far as the [00:48:32] left was actually quite wise to this uh [00:48:35] in the 1960s and '7s after they were run [00:48:38] through the mill by the national [00:48:40] security state uh during the during the [00:48:43] cold war when there was a war on [00:48:45] communism and so a lot of socialists or [00:48:48] socialist light folks were targeted and [00:48:50] they had to uh they went through the [00:48:52] same sort of collective [00:48:55] uh wow this is the CIA's relationship [00:48:57] with private business and this is how [00:49:00] the military connection comes into this [00:49:02] and there was a very robust scholarship [00:49:04] for about 20 years in the Democrat party [00:49:07] uh around that and there has really [00:49:09] never been on the Republican party until [00:49:12] now because the Republican party's base [00:49:15] of support in American politics for the [00:49:18] past century has come from basically [00:49:20] three places. The military-industrial [00:49:22] complex itself, which which was largely [00:49:25] set up by by Eisenhower, [00:49:27] uh it uh the big oil industry, you know, [00:49:30] which is uh tightly connected with the [00:49:32] military-industrial complex and the [00:49:34] chamber of commerce uh for just general [00:49:37] big business who like low tax free [00:49:39] enterprise policies and and there was [00:49:42] never like a they were always on the [00:49:44] giving end rather than on the receiving [00:49:46] end. So Republicans by and large were [00:49:48] kept dumb unless you were in the [00:49:50] business uh that this entire cinematic [00:49:53] universe exists. And now that [00:49:55] Republicans or half of the Republican [00:49:58] party has been systematically targeted [00:49:59] by this apparatus, I mean, this is part [00:50:02] of my frustration for many years in [00:50:04] trying to explain the censorship [00:50:05] industrial complex is that you to to [00:50:08] even know that the CI people saw the CIA [00:50:12] on the board of Facebook, I'm sorry, on [00:50:14] the trust and safety team on Facebook [00:50:16] and the trust and safety team of of [00:50:18] Twitter and the trust and safety team of [00:50:20] YouTube and they and couldn't understand [00:50:23] how this could be possible or US aid's [00:50:26] role in this or the state department's [00:50:27] role in this or their funded grantees [00:50:30] and so you need to explain essentially [00:50:32] how US foreign policy works how domestic [00:50:36] sentiment is a the call this the driver [00:50:39] the domestic drivers of foreign policy [00:50:41] um is critical to our international [00:50:44] business our multinational business and [00:50:47] private equity and and US foreign policy [00:50:50] focused things depend on what people [00:50:52] vote for here because if you vote for [00:50:53] the wrong president, those businesses [00:50:56] that make money abroad go kaput or the [00:51:00] foreign policy initiatives uh can [00:51:02] radically change. And so they targeted [00:51:05] the Trump movement. you regardless of [00:51:07] whether what you voted for him for. If [00:51:10] you are a Trump supporter and Trump [00:51:12] wanted to go a different way on Ukraine, [00:51:13] a different way on Russia, a different [00:51:15] way on China, a different way on Syria, [00:51:18] uh a different way on Iraq, well then [00:51:20] you have to target the whole movement to [00:51:22] make sure that guy doesn't get elected, [00:51:24] >> and you target it through these this [00:51:27] Perry intelligence layer. [00:51:30] >> Yeah. No, I that's well said. I think [00:51:32] that's a Blake. I I mean, you and me are [00:51:35] probably just a little bit on different [00:51:38] wavelengths on the on the [00:51:39] >> too normie here. [00:51:41] >> No, I mean, listen, I I think uh Mike, [00:51:44] that was a really good summation. I [00:51:46] think there's just too much smoke. [00:51:48] There's got to be some fire there. But I [00:51:49] think some of the sex stuff maybe has [00:51:50] been sensationalized, some of the [00:51:52] blackmail stuff. I'm kind I'm with you [00:51:54] on that. Uh Mike, you've you've made a [00:51:56] lot of time for us at the drop of a hat. [00:51:58] Thank you uh so much for giving us as [00:52:00] much of these connections. You've given [00:52:02] us a lot to think about and I think a [00:52:04] really important other side of this uh [00:52:05] Epstein saga. Mike Benz, the executive [00:52:08] director for the Foundation for Freedom [00:52:10] Online and so much so much else. Former [00:52:13] State Department, you're crushing it out [00:52:15] there. Congratulations on all the [00:52:16] success. [00:52:17] >> Thanks. You guys, too. Be well. [00:52:19] >> All right. Take care. We'll see you guys [00:52:21] tomorrow.