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[00:00:00] You're all about uh you [music] know
[00:00:01] clobbering your enemies into political
[00:00:03] submission.
[00:00:03] >> I've reached Zen. I became Buddhist. I
[00:00:05] didn't tell you. [laughter]
[00:00:06] >> The Yamaka is optional. [music] The ads
[00:00:07] are mandatory.
[00:00:08] >> I object on the record.
[00:00:09] >> I want to turn to Ben because you killed
[00:00:11] Jesus, right? I I want to
[00:00:12] >> You make my life so difficult. Like
[00:00:14] seriously. [music]
[00:00:20] [music]
[00:00:22] >> Hey everybody.
[00:00:24] >> Well, hi there.
[00:00:25] >> Hey.
[00:00:26] >> Am I the only one smoking today?
[00:00:28] >> As always.
[00:00:28] >> Smoking. Yeah, depends what you mean by
[00:00:31] smoking. I think we're all smoking in
[00:00:33] our own little way.
[00:00:34] >> It looks like Walsh is drinking.
[00:00:36] >> Oh, no. It's water.
[00:00:37] >> Water.
[00:00:37] >> Okay. Well, maybe. Maybe it's water.
[00:00:39] Maybe
[00:00:40] >> I moved your location so that I could
[00:00:42] smoke. Actually, this whole It felt
[00:00:44] wrong if there was no smoking going on.
[00:00:46] I don't have any booze, unfortunately. I
[00:00:49] fellas, I have a lot that I want to tell
[00:00:51] you about because I was doing big
[00:00:53] important stuff yesterday while you were
[00:00:55] all just kicking your feet back up on
[00:00:56] the on the couches. Uh but there are a
[00:00:58] lot of questions to get to uh in this
[00:01:00] episode of friendly fire. Uh did movies
[00:01:03] peak in 2008?
[00:01:06] Will Zoran Mani lead America into
[00:01:08] communism or jihad or why not both? Do
[00:01:11] we have a new Daily Wire host joining?
[00:01:14] Yes, we do. Matt Fraam Pines with
[00:01:16] Aquinus. And is Catholicism rising in
[00:01:18] the United States? All of that and so
[00:01:21] much more. But fellas, before we get
[00:01:23] into any of it, Matt, today's a big
[00:01:25] special day. Did you know that? I
[00:01:27] didn't. What's today?
[00:01:29] >> I was reliably informed that I don't
[00:01:32] know why we keep doing these shows on
[00:01:33] Big Matt days, but I believe today is
[00:01:35] your wedding anniversary. Is that right?
[00:01:36] >> It now that you mentioned it. Yeah. For
[00:01:38] 14 years. And my uh my wife was uh
[00:01:41] thrilled when I told her that, you know,
[00:01:43] we couldn't we couldn't go out uh just
[00:01:45] now cuz I had to go do a friendly fire
[00:01:47] episode. She [laughter] I told her that.
[00:01:49] She said, "Man, get get out there and
[00:01:51] and do that friendly fire episode.
[00:01:53] That's what that's that's [laughter] the
[00:01:54] most important thing." It's
[00:01:55] >> the best gift you could give her,
[00:01:57] actually. I mean, when you think about
[00:01:58] it, it really is.
[00:01:59] >> I know. You know, we're going to shoot
[00:02:00] We're going to shoot this episode and
[00:02:02] then and then our our big wedding
[00:02:03] anniversary plan is we're going to watch
[00:02:04] the episode back. [laughter] Uh so,
[00:02:08] that's what that's what we're going to
[00:02:09] do.
[00:02:10] >> That's it. What are you What are you
[00:02:11] going to do? So, after you finish
[00:02:13] watching the Are you [clears throat]
[00:02:14] going to Are you going to take her out
[00:02:15] to dinner in the middle of the woods
[00:02:16] somewhere? What's
[00:02:17] >> that? Well, actually, we're we're She
[00:02:19] wanted to go kayaking, so we're going to
[00:02:20] go kaying. And uh that's that's a that's
[00:02:23] an activity we like to do as a as a
[00:02:25] couple. And a lot of I like it because
[00:02:27] we'll go out kayaking and a lot of times
[00:02:28] once we get out on the water I'll
[00:02:31] discover that silly me I my my fishing
[00:02:34] pole is still in the kayak. I didn't
[00:02:35] realize it was there and so then I got
[00:02:37] to I have to fish also cuz it's there.
[00:02:39] So
[00:02:39] >> that's that's what we'll do.
[00:02:41] >> Her watch her watching you fish is like
[00:02:43] your anniversary.
[00:02:44] >> That that's what it's going to be.
[00:02:45] >> You have a you have a very very generous
[00:02:47] wife. I that's that's I mean we knew
[00:02:50] that already but that's that's kind of
[00:02:51] like an unbelievable level of
[00:02:52] generosity. I mean like like truly I
[00:02:54] mean I feel like Drew for for his
[00:02:56] anniversary he doesn't have to do much.
[00:02:57] I mean basically he's just a skeleton
[00:03:00] sitting across a table from
[00:03:01] >> we we have a very deep uh tradition
[00:03:03] which is every you know big anniversary
[00:03:05] and now we've been married 130 years I
[00:03:07] think every important anniversary my
[00:03:10] wife turns to me and says should should
[00:03:11] we have a party and I say nah. And she
[00:03:14] says, "All right." And that's that's
[00:03:15] what we do every uh important
[00:03:17] anniversary.
[00:03:19] I said, "Do you want to go somewhere?"
[00:03:20] And sweet little Lisa said, "Yes, I do."
[00:03:23] And I I said, "Well, where do you want
[00:03:24] to go? You want to go to the Caribbean?
[00:03:26] Do you want to go?" And she goes, "I
[00:03:27] want to go to Memphis." I kid you not.
[00:03:29] She said she want to go to Memphis. And
[00:03:30] I This is great. I just saved like
[00:03:32] thousands of dollars. And we did. We
[00:03:33] went We went to Graceand. We saw the
[00:03:36] Little Ducks at that hotel and didn't
[00:03:38] get mugged actually. So that was that
[00:03:39] was pretty good. Is there I'll I'll
[00:03:41] admit that that for me I'm usually the
[00:03:43] one who remembers the anniversary. My
[00:03:44] wife does not remember the anniversary
[00:03:46] almost ever. Uh and so it is completely
[00:03:48] reliant upon me what we will do that
[00:03:51] day. And then so usually it's it's
[00:03:52] probably a dinner although um you know
[00:03:54] these days as as we get older um you
[00:03:57] know we're the kinds of people who have
[00:03:58] never stayed up a single time for the
[00:04:00] ball drop on on New Year's Eve. And so
[00:04:02] if it hits like 9:30 p.m. we're pretty
[00:04:04] much done. I mean, we have a bunch of
[00:04:05] kids and I'm sure like Matt, I have to
[00:04:07] say that yours is really if I had
[00:04:08] predicted what your anniversary was was
[00:04:10] going to be like, that actually was not
[00:04:12] I was not off by much. I really feel
[00:04:14] like that was a a pretty good, you know,
[00:04:17] if I had to guess and I was like, "Okay,
[00:04:18] is it going to be Matt like taking his
[00:04:20] wife out to dinner or in a kayak on a
[00:04:23] lake with a fishing pole, not talking to
[00:04:26] anyone, but just kind of like staring at
[00:04:28] the water and and musing about like like
[00:04:30] I I I def I wouldn't have been off that.
[00:04:32] I I would like the the odds on that were
[00:04:34] pretty good. I feel like honestly
[00:04:36] >> they they were and could I let me just
[00:04:38] just one quick uh reflection if I may if
[00:04:42] if I have if I have about 30 minutes I'd
[00:04:44] like to offer
[00:04:45] >> I I do [laughter]
[00:04:47] because you know 14 years I I do just
[00:04:49] want to say because I think this is
[00:04:50] important uh and I think everyone here's
[00:04:53] on the same page that you know 14 years
[00:04:55] into marriage before I got married I
[00:04:57] heard the same thing that everybody
[00:04:58] always says which is it's so hard being
[00:05:01] married is so hard it's so difficult
[00:05:02] it's so so so hard I I heard this over
[00:05:05] and over again. I'm 14 years into it.
[00:05:07] I'm waiting for the hard part still. You
[00:05:09] know, I'm 14 years into it with six kids
[00:05:11] and uh I mean there are challenges
[00:05:13] obviously when you're living with
[00:05:14] another human being, but for the most
[00:05:16] part it's like it's great. I mean you
[00:05:18] have a person that you that you like
[00:05:20] that you love that you're is with you
[00:05:22] and sharing life with you and uh it is
[00:05:24] actually it is actually great. It is now
[00:05:27] being parenting parenting can be really
[00:05:29] hard. That's the part that is also great
[00:05:32] and wonderful, but that there that's the
[00:05:34] hard part. Uh, but just the marriage
[00:05:36] part, I I honestly don't know what
[00:05:39] people are talking about for the
[00:05:40] >> I always like when people say it's work.
[00:05:42] I mean, the one thing marriage is not is
[00:05:43] work. It's marriage is is life.
[00:05:45] >> Drew's marriage is not work for him.
[00:05:47] That's true. But do you know what is
[00:05:49] work for him? Writing books like this
[00:05:51] after that the dark, which if I'm is
[00:05:54] that at Lord Tennis, Alfred Lord
[00:05:56] Tennyson.
[00:05:56] >> Very good. You must have looked that up.
[00:05:58] I can't I can't imagine
[00:06:00] >> I remember that's like one of five poems
[00:06:01] I at some point probably had memorized.
[00:06:04] Do you know where you can get this book?
[00:06:05] >> You can get this book anywhere. You can
[00:06:07] get it signed from the DailyWire shop.
[00:06:09] If you go on dailywire.com/claven,
[00:06:13] you will find all the venues where you
[00:06:15] can get it. And I hope people will get
[00:06:16] it. I already put one book on the New
[00:06:18] York Times list. And when I say I put it
[00:06:20] on, the audience put my book on the New
[00:06:22] York Times list. If I can do that twice,
[00:06:24] I can I will stop calling the New York
[00:06:26] Times a former newspaper and I'll just
[00:06:28] call it a crap paper.
[00:06:29] >> Well, you know, somebody somebody gave
[00:06:31] me a gift here. I don't know what it
[00:06:32] could be.
[00:06:33] >> Oh, it's it's Drew's book.
[00:06:35] >> There you go. There you go.
[00:06:37] >> Just what just what I've always wanted,
[00:06:38] Matt. If you're seeking to get something
[00:06:40] for your wife for your anniversary, I
[00:06:42] feel like there's nothing Oh, look at
[00:06:44] that.
[00:06:45] >> Wow. [laughter]
[00:06:46] >> Wow. Look, that's a man who thinks ahead
[00:06:48] right there. Look at that. That's That's
[00:06:50] incredible. By the way, I will say that
[00:06:51] just a a note about the the marriage and
[00:06:54] anniversary discussion and all that.
[00:06:55] I've been reliably informed that the
[00:06:57] best way to get people to live better
[00:06:58] lives is to tell them that they should
[00:06:59] never get married because women are
[00:07:01] absolutely awful in every possible way.
[00:07:03] And uh and that that actually is
[00:07:04] heartening and makes your life better.
[00:07:05] I've been informed of that by by
[00:07:07] reliable sources and their guests. In
[00:07:08] any case, um yes, I I I'm totally with
[00:07:12] like here you have sitting right here
[00:07:14] four very happily married men with a
[00:07:17] wide variety of children. Matt, again, I
[00:07:20] we've discussed this before publicly,
[00:07:21] but I judge a man and his masculinity by
[00:07:25] how many children he has. And so Matt is
[00:07:26] Matt is leading the pack here. Matt has
[00:07:28] six. Uh I'm I'm coming in at four. I I
[00:07:31] have I've said many times that Matt
[00:07:32] cheated because he has two sets of
[00:07:34] twins. And so that that really that
[00:07:35] really is cheating. Like that's that's
[00:07:37] really like a cheat code.
[00:07:38] >> You know, one of the wife is one of the
[00:07:41] big downsides to having a wife is she's
[00:07:43] always shopping and buying stuff. Am I
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[00:08:36] How you like that? Okay, guys. I want to
[00:08:38] talk about me for a second. I feel like
[00:08:39] we haven't talked enough about me. Uh I
[00:08:42] yesterday was not in my studio. I was in
[00:08:44] Washington. I was down on Capitol Hill
[00:08:46] because they were holding a hearing in
[00:08:47] the Senate on political violence. And
[00:08:51] most of the Democrats, I'd say about
[00:08:53] half the committee was smart enough not
[00:08:55] to even show up because they know that
[00:08:58] they they've got blood on their hands
[00:08:59] and they have absolutely nothing they
[00:09:01] can say about political violence. But
[00:09:03] some of them peaked in every now and
[00:09:04] again, including the Thriian Senator
[00:09:08] Spartacus. Here's what Cory Booker had
[00:09:10] to say.
[00:09:12] >> There is political violence.
[00:09:15] Extremists who have left-wing ideologies
[00:09:17] and right-wing ideologies. To say it's
[00:09:19] just one and not the other is to deepen
[00:09:22] the problem.
[00:09:24] But we have an administration right now
[00:09:26] who is eviscerating the people that
[00:09:28] should be keeping us safe
[00:09:31] and who is pulling down from the website
[00:09:33] as they did earlier as this year when
[00:09:35] the Department of Justice removed from
[00:09:36] its website a government funded a report
[00:09:39] published last year that found that the
[00:09:41] number of far-right attacks continues to
[00:09:43] outpace all other types of terrorism and
[00:09:46] domestic violence extremism.
[00:09:49] If [snorts] we can't accurately describe
[00:09:51] a problem and do it without partisan
[00:09:53] rhetoric or seeking to score partisan
[00:09:55] points, we will not solve this problem.
[00:10:00] We need to stop all this awful partisan
[00:10:02] rhetoric, okay? And recognize that
[00:10:04] violence occurs on both sides of the
[00:10:07] right, which commits all of the
[00:10:08] violence. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. So,
[00:10:12] they're they're pushing this whole time.
[00:10:13] It's both sides, both sides. And and
[00:10:15] then then they just spend all their time
[00:10:16] hitting the right. Meanwhile, the the
[00:10:18] actual data show increasingly so uh that
[00:10:22] the violence is a leftwing problem. Even
[00:10:24] the Atlantic had to admit it. And that's
[00:10:26] with the data sets not even counting
[00:10:27] most left-wing violence. So, as uh
[00:10:30] Booker is making his remarks, he he goes
[00:10:32] on, he says, "We need to be
[00:10:34] introspective. We need to be willing to
[00:10:35] to take back some hot things that we
[00:10:38] say." So, we need to be will. I said,
[00:10:39] "Okay, this is great because you still
[00:10:41] endorse Jay Jones, who's running for
[00:10:43] attorney general in Virginia, who's
[00:10:45] who's called for the murder of
[00:10:46] Republicans and our kids, says we're
[00:10:48] breeding little fascists, and he wants
[00:10:49] to urinate on the graves of
[00:10:50] Republicans." So, Booker makes his
[00:10:52] point. Then, Senator Blackburn asked me
[00:10:54] something, and I this is what I had to
[00:10:56] say.
[00:10:59] I think Senator Booker made a good point
[00:11:00] just a moment ago when he said, "We have
[00:11:02] to self-examine. We have to be
[00:11:03] introspective." And uh you know I I
[00:11:06] can't help but think of a line today. Uh
[00:11:08] Jay Jones has the vision, commitment,
[00:11:10] and integrity to keep families safe and
[00:11:13] make sure every Virginia gets a fair
[00:11:14] shake in the justice system. I'll be
[00:11:16] working every day to ensure Jay wins
[00:11:19] this race. That's the endorsement of
[00:11:21] Senator Booker for a man who would seek
[00:11:23] to be the attorney general of Virginia.
[00:11:26] This is a man who, if people have not
[00:11:28] been reading the news, has called for a
[00:11:30] Republican to be murdered, for his
[00:11:32] children to be murdered, for the
[00:11:33] children to die in their mother's arms
[00:11:34] in order to persuade the Republican to
[00:11:36] change his policy views, and a man who
[00:11:39] says that he would urinate on the graves
[00:11:40] of multiple Republicans. Senator Booker,
[00:11:43] in this spirit of introspection, is
[00:11:45] standing by this endorsement. So, I
[00:11:46] suppose I would invite [laughter]
[00:11:48] perhaps I should have looked because
[00:11:50] Senator Booker has left the room and I I
[00:11:52] think I can guess why. uh Senator
[00:11:54] Booker, I think, should should uh
[00:11:56] practice what he preaches.
[00:11:59] >> So, there was a Cy Booker shaped hole in
[00:12:01] the wall. Anyway, uh Drew, you were
[00:12:03] around for the caning of Sumner, as I
[00:12:04] recall. You know, you've seen plenty of
[00:12:06] political violence in America. Do the
[00:12:08] Democrats have any kind of point here at
[00:12:10] all on uh saying it's about both sides
[00:12:12] and not being partisan or no? Do we just
[00:12:14] have to say it's a a leftist problem?
[00:12:16] >> Well, I think it's it's good of that
[00:12:17] Cory Booker did not kill Kirk Douglas
[00:12:19] with the trident uh when he was
[00:12:21] Spartacus. I I was I did watch I
[00:12:23] actually watched you on TV and I was
[00:12:25] thinking, "Oh, there's my my friend
[00:12:26] Michael Nolles who probably drop by my
[00:12:28] house because he's in DC. Probably
[00:12:29] dropped by my house for a drink and a
[00:12:31] cigar. I'm still waiting by the phone,
[00:12:33] but nothing happened." Here's the here's
[00:12:34] the thing. There's always going to be
[00:12:36] incidents of violence on both sides, but
[00:12:38] that is a very different thing than an
[00:12:39] atmosphere of violence. when when you
[00:12:41] scratch uh go around scratching Teslas
[00:12:44] because you don't like Elon Musk, when
[00:12:46] you riot every night uh in in Seattle,
[00:12:50] these are things that are not happening
[00:12:51] on the right. You can get a crazy
[00:12:52] right-winger, but nobody on the right
[00:12:54] and the center right is calling for
[00:12:56] violence with the constant drum beat,
[00:12:59] steady drum beat of calls and
[00:13:01] entitlement as as the left does. I mean,
[00:13:03] when when they were burning down cities
[00:13:05] because of George Floyd, an editor from
[00:13:07] the New York Times from the New York
[00:13:09] Times editorial board went on TV and
[00:13:10] said, "Well, it's not it's not violence
[00:13:12] when you're just burning down
[00:13:13] buildings." But you know what? Yes, it
[00:13:15] is. And people were killed in those
[00:13:16] riots. And as you said quite well, I
[00:13:18] thought, in your speech, it's the only
[00:13:20] nice thing I'll ever say about you. You
[00:13:22] pointed out that they just don't count
[00:13:23] that as political violence. They don't
[00:13:24] count the people who threaten Matt
[00:13:26] because they're transgender. That's not
[00:13:28] left-wing political violence. But it is.
[00:13:30] And when you count all of that stuff, it
[00:13:31] dwarfs any incident of right-wing
[00:13:34] violence. So, you were totally in the
[00:13:36] right. I hate to say it, but just
[00:13:37] >> Oh, right. And I looked handsome, too,
[00:13:38] is I think you
[00:13:40] >> That's a nice tie. I kind I kind of I
[00:13:41] kind of like the striped tie there,
[00:13:42] though. That That was good. You know, I
[00:13:44] I I will say that that yes, of course,
[00:13:46] you can find violent people all across
[00:13:48] the political spectrum. It is true that
[00:13:50] the permission structures of the left
[00:13:51] are more deeply rooted than anything
[00:13:54] remotely similar on the right. don't see
[00:13:55] any sort of mainstream political
[00:13:57] right-winger who's not willing to
[00:13:59] denounce generalized political violence
[00:14:01] from from their side or anything like
[00:14:03] it. But you do see it on the left all
[00:14:05] the time. The sort of the kind of
[00:14:06] feeding of the revolutionary left. This
[00:14:08] idea that that violence that's coming
[00:14:10] from the left. Well, yeah, we don't we
[00:14:11] don't love it. But at the same time, you
[00:14:13] can totally see where it's coming from.
[00:14:14] And the conditions that give rise to the
[00:14:16] violence must be alleviated. And that's
[00:14:18] why the violence is really it's like we
[00:14:20] don't love it, but it's kind of
[00:14:20] predictable and and that that sort of
[00:14:22] excuse making that permission structure
[00:14:24] for violence is very much in tune with I
[00:14:27] think the entire left-wing
[00:14:28] infrastructure at this point, which is
[00:14:30] why they're so comfortable with, for
[00:14:31] example, the DSA, which is a a
[00:14:34] revolutionary group. I mean, I think
[00:14:35] that that the the attempt to foster the
[00:14:37] revolution on the left is deeply
[00:14:40] entwined with the violence. It's why
[00:14:42] when when when Charlie got shot and we
[00:14:44] we talked about this, I think when when
[00:14:47] Michael, you and you and Matt and I we
[00:14:48] were on Charlie's show, we we talked
[00:14:50] about the fact that there was a clip of
[00:14:52] Charlie talking with some sort of trans
[00:14:54] radical. And the trans radical said
[00:14:55] you're just so hateful. And it's like
[00:14:58] that is the pro like your entire
[00:14:59] structure is we oppose your point of
[00:15:02] view, therefore we are hateful,
[00:15:03] therefore we are a threat to you,
[00:15:04] therefore you can kill us, therefore you
[00:15:06] can do violence to us. And that is
[00:15:08] deeply embedded in in leftwing ideology.
[00:15:10] Now, I think there are parts of the
[00:15:12] right that do have very similar
[00:15:13] horseshoe theory ideas about the world.
[00:15:15] I I would hope that those parts of the
[00:15:16] right would remain marginalized. I can't
[00:15:18] think of a single sort of mainstream
[00:15:20] elected political official on the right
[00:15:22] who who gives credence to this. It's
[00:15:24] given credence by pretty much all the
[00:15:26] mainstream elected officials on the
[00:15:27] left. I think there are people in the
[00:15:28] commentary who give credence to it, but
[00:15:30] I don't think it's like a mainstream
[00:15:31] part of right-wing elected kind of
[00:15:34] Republican talk. But a sort of a
[00:15:36] mainstream phenomenon, yes, it is
[00:15:38] disproportionately represented on the
[00:15:39] left. his permission structure for
[00:15:41] violence.
[00:15:41] >> Well, this is what so Senator Schmidt,
[00:15:43] you know, a very mainstream Republican
[00:15:45] figure. He calls this hearing to try to
[00:15:46] address the problem. I think that was
[00:15:48] really good shining a light on it. We
[00:15:50] really haven't seen that from the Senate
[00:15:51] before. A lot of lot of great
[00:15:52] Republicans. The White House is trying
[00:15:53] to do stuff about it. Matt, you're
[00:15:55] you're all about uh you know, practical
[00:15:57] solutions as well as clobbering your
[00:15:59] enemies into political submission. What
[00:16:01] What do we do?
[00:16:03] >> Well, I mean, consequences, you know,
[00:16:05] that's the first thing. Actual
[00:16:06] consequences for people who uh who
[00:16:08] commit this violence. I mean, this is
[00:16:09] one of the when you when you categorize
[00:16:11] rightly, I think, Antifa as a domestic
[00:16:14] terrorist organization, which is exactly
[00:16:15] what it is by any reasonable definition
[00:16:17] of the term. Well, that means that uh
[00:16:20] there should be consequences to that.
[00:16:22] Um, and what do we do? If you're calling
[00:16:24] it a terrorist organization, then you're
[00:16:26] putting it in the same category as
[00:16:27] al-Qaeda or ISIS. And uh and how do we
[00:16:29] how do we handle those groups? And what
[00:16:31] would we do if those groups were, you
[00:16:33] know, were operating openly in the
[00:16:35] United States outside of ICE facilities
[00:16:37] and that sort of thing? Well, we know
[00:16:39] how that would be handled. And so that's
[00:16:40] how it should be that should how it
[00:16:41] should be handled here. And you're also
[00:16:43] correct. I think that this is and it's a
[00:16:44] point that's not made enough about how
[00:16:46] the left gets around this reality, which
[00:16:49] is that all of the political violence is
[00:16:50] on their side. And they do it by by
[00:16:52] recategorizing their political violence
[00:16:54] as not political violence. And by the
[00:16:56] way, this is a trick they pull with all
[00:16:59] forms of violence. Okay? This is how
[00:17:01] they've they have tried to get away with
[00:17:03] claiming that some of these cities that
[00:17:05] we can all tell have descended into
[00:17:07] total uh violent chaos have actually
[00:17:10] they claim that oh well violent crime is
[00:17:12] going down. Well, how do they get away
[00:17:13] with that? It's because when you look at
[00:17:14] it, oh well, they're just
[00:17:16] recatategorizing violent crime as
[00:17:18] nonviolent crime. There was a case in uh
[00:17:20] Kentucky uh uh recently of a child that
[00:17:23] was stabbed to death in his home and the
[00:17:26] rest of the family was also attacked and
[00:17:28] somehow the guy who committed that crime
[00:17:30] was categorized under the law as a
[00:17:32] nonviolent offender. Yeah.
[00:17:34] >> Um and so this is this is the game they
[00:17:36] play on so many different levels and
[00:17:38] it's really important to point that out.
[00:17:39] No, this was, you know, the actual
[00:17:41] incident that I was there to testify
[00:17:43] about yesterday was this Antifa attack
[00:17:45] at the University of Pittsburgh where
[00:17:46] two Antifa operatives showed up. They
[00:17:49] had been members of a cell. They were
[00:17:52] were claimed by torch Antifa network. Uh
[00:17:55] the guy was caught with explosive
[00:17:57] material going through TSA multiple
[00:17:58] times. They were there. They threw an
[00:18:01] explosive, seriously injured a cop. And
[00:18:03] luckily, there was a an FBI agent there
[00:18:05] who was really forcing this uh up
[00:18:08] through the DOJ. I don't think the DOJ
[00:18:09] wanted to move on it at all. And then
[00:18:11] what happened? The DOJ classified it as
[00:18:13] obstructing law enforcement, gave the
[00:18:16] wife uh probation, let her almost
[00:18:18] entirely off the hook, and the guy got
[00:18:19] something like 5 years in prison. What
[00:18:21] he did was attempted murder. You know,
[00:18:23] it calls for a much more serious
[00:18:24] sentence. I go through all of the the uh
[00:18:27] sets, data sets on political violence.
[00:18:30] It doesn't show up. I I look at the BLM
[00:18:32] riots that killed dozens of people, left
[00:18:34] over a billion dollars worth of property
[00:18:36] damage. it doesn't show up as left-wing
[00:18:38] political violence. I some of the most
[00:18:40] prominent examples you can think of it
[00:18:42] it's just not there. And so what's so
[00:18:44] crazy is even given the fact that they
[00:18:46] hide all of this uh all of these data in
[00:18:49] their sets and and in the federal
[00:18:50] statistics even so today the Atlantic
[00:18:53] has to admit the leftwing violence still
[00:18:56] exceeds the right-wing violence even
[00:18:57] when you exclude most of the leftwing
[00:18:59] violence. So you know Matt you say all
[00:19:00] right we got to treat them like
[00:19:01] al-Qaeda. I'm inclined to do that, too.
[00:19:03] But there is a distinction between a
[00:19:05] foreign terrorist organization and a
[00:19:06] domestic one. And so, do do you handle
[00:19:09] them like al-Qaeda or do you handle them
[00:19:10] like, I don't know, the mafia or the KKK
[00:19:13] or something?
[00:19:14] >> Uh, I I'll take any of those. Handle
[00:19:18] handle them like an organized violent
[00:19:20] threat. You know, that's that's how you
[00:19:22] handle them. And and also there's a
[00:19:24] there's another point about the about
[00:19:26] left-wing violence which is that uh in
[00:19:28] fact when we're talking about left-wing
[00:19:30] violence in general, there's one entire
[00:19:33] like category of it that is is left out
[00:19:36] of the conversation which uh would be
[00:19:38] the tens of millions of babies that are
[00:19:42] killed because of left-wing policies and
[00:19:44] have been killed in this country over
[00:19:46] the last 60 or 70 years. And that's
[00:19:48] relevant because it is violence, tens of
[00:19:51] millions of babies, but also it shows
[00:19:53] it's one of the reasons why left-wing
[00:19:54] violence is is is a much bigger problem.
[00:19:57] It's because they don't recognize
[00:20:00] fundamentally the dignity and sanctity
[00:20:02] of human life. They just don't rec they
[00:20:04] they see it as well, if you're
[00:20:05] inconvenient to them that you actually
[00:20:07] don't have a right to exist in the first
[00:20:09] place. And if they're going to apply
[00:20:10] that to their own children, well, then
[00:20:12] of course they're going to apply it to
[00:20:14] Charlie Kirk. They're going to apply it
[00:20:15] to uh to any one of us,
[00:20:17] >> right? Right. Okay. Well, that's true.
[00:20:19] It's been building for a long time. It's
[00:20:21] by my count, you know, decades because
[00:20:23] you can go back through even the 60s,
[00:20:25] the 70s, frankly, even earlier than
[00:20:26] that. But I I want to go back to where
[00:20:32] pop culture ended, which is 2007
[00:20:33] according to Mr. Walsh. We'll get to
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[00:22:15] Matt, in the spirit of nostalgia, did
[00:22:18] pop culture peak in 2008?
[00:22:22] >> It did. Yes. It's f It's funny you asked
[00:22:25] me that question. Uh, so I I was
[00:22:27] actually surprised. I was talking to the
[00:22:28] producers of this show and I and we were
[00:22:31] talking about topics and I pitched this
[00:22:32] topic. I didn't think they I didn't
[00:22:34] think we'd talk about it. Um, but but we
[00:22:36] are and that's great because I actually
[00:22:37] find we finally stumbled on a topic that
[00:22:39] I find interesting. So I was talking
[00:22:40] about it uh I on my show this [snorts]
[00:22:43] past week. I kind of laid out this
[00:22:45] theory. It's not just my theory, but
[00:22:47] something I've been thinking about for a
[00:22:48] while and uh I am legitimately
[00:22:50] interested to hear what you guys have to
[00:22:52] say about it. So the theory is basically
[00:22:54] this that um pop culture and the culture
[00:22:58] itself peaked almost at a precise moment
[00:23:01] in time and I would say 2007 but you
[00:23:03] could go a year before that and a year
[00:23:04] after. So from like 2006 to 2008 was was
[00:23:07] the peak of of culture uh the peak of
[00:23:11] what you know some have called what I
[00:23:12] think is a good term for it monoculture.
[00:23:14] So, it's our it's our shared cultural
[00:23:16] experience and it peaked right then and
[00:23:18] there and you could kind of pinpoint the
[00:23:20] peak with pop culture with with the
[00:23:22] things that Hollywood was putting out. I
[00:23:23] mean, this was, you know, 2006, 2008, it
[00:23:26] was uh There Will Be Blood, No Country
[00:23:28] for Old Men, Children of Men,
[00:23:29] Apocalyptto, uh The Dark Knight, and a
[00:23:32] bunch of other great films came out at
[00:23:33] the same time. This is also television.
[00:23:35] I mean, it was like the some of the
[00:23:37] arguably maybe the
[00:23:40] five of the eight greatest television
[00:23:42] shows of all time were airing
[00:23:44] overlapping with each other. The Wire,
[00:23:46] Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, um Maden,
[00:23:49] Mad Men, The Shield, The Office was in
[00:23:52] its prime. I think I think in its prime
[00:23:54] probably the greatest comedy of all
[00:23:55] time. And then a bunch of others we
[00:23:57] could name. So all of this was was
[00:23:58] happening at the same time with pop
[00:24:00] culture. And what you find is this this
[00:24:05] decline that started right around that
[00:24:07] time in particular with comedies. There
[00:24:09] were also great comedies. Superb bad was
[00:24:11] like the last great teen comedy came out
[00:24:13] in 2007 I believe. Um some some other
[00:24:16] Tropic Thunder came out in 2008 I think
[00:24:18] the last great comedy period. Um and and
[00:24:22] then and you see it there and it starts
[00:24:23] to decline and then it completely falls
[00:24:26] apart. And over the next, you know,
[00:24:28] pretty much from 2010 until now, there
[00:24:30] have been some good some good films.
[00:24:32] There have even been some great films, I
[00:24:33] would say. Even some great uh television
[00:24:36] series. Chernobyl, I think, is one of
[00:24:37] the one of the best miniseries of all
[00:24:38] time. Came out in 2019. But you you're
[00:24:41] never going to find that kind of volume
[00:24:42] all at one time. And I think it's
[00:24:44] because culture declined and then
[00:24:47] collapsed. And right now, when we're
[00:24:49] looking around, this is really a
[00:24:50] starting point for me. I'm I'm I'm
[00:24:52] trying to figure out why does everything
[00:24:53] suck now? Everything just sucks. and
[00:24:55] everybody can feel it. And why is it?
[00:24:57] And it's because we don't have a we
[00:24:59] don't have a culture anymore. There
[00:25:00] there there is no culture. The
[00:25:01] monoculture, the shared cultural
[00:25:03] experience is gone. It's dead. It
[00:25:05] doesn't exist anymore. And it's only
[00:25:06] going to get worse, I'm afraid to say.
[00:25:08] And that's because if we go back to 2007
[00:25:10] 2008 range, some other things were
[00:25:13] happening. It at at that moment when
[00:25:15] Hollywood was reaching I think like its
[00:25:17] pinnacle, other things were happening
[00:25:20] that would prove to be its demise. And a
[00:25:22] lot of people on the right will point
[00:25:24] to, well, what happened in 2008? Barack
[00:25:25] Obama uh came in and that was kind of
[00:25:28] the beginning of this era of wokeness
[00:25:30] that we're still living in. And yeah,
[00:25:32] that is part of it, but that's not even
[00:25:34] close to the biggest part of it. In
[00:25:35] fact, I would argue that if Obama was
[00:25:36] never elected, we would still be seeing
[00:25:39] a lot of these things today. Because the
[00:25:40] other thing that happened in 2007, in
[00:25:42] June of 2007, is when the iPhone was
[00:25:44] released and the iPhone was released.
[00:25:46] And at that point, within a few years,
[00:25:48] social media took over. I mean, there
[00:25:49] were already, of course, some Facebook
[00:25:50] was on at this point. Uh, Twitter was in
[00:25:53] 2006. Instagram, I think, was a couple
[00:25:55] years later, but within a few years of
[00:25:57] of uh the iPhone coming out, everybody
[00:26:00] now has the internet, of course, on
[00:26:01] their phone. They're bringing it with
[00:26:02] them everywhere they go. And uh and
[00:26:04] social media uh comes online. It
[00:26:06] dominates the culture. And then you have
[00:26:08] the algorithms. And now, because of
[00:26:10] that, uh we don't have a shared cultural
[00:26:13] experience anymore. Now, we have what we
[00:26:15] have in our phones. We have this
[00:26:16] algorithmic personally designed
[00:26:19] experience and rather than it being like
[00:26:22] a radio station that you listen to with
[00:26:24] a DJ who's your local DJ and says hey
[00:26:26] listen to this great song you know and
[00:26:28] everyone's listen or you go to MTV back
[00:26:29] in the '9s for the '90s kids. Rather
[00:26:32] than that we have this algorithm that
[00:26:33] just was it just it just feeds us
[00:26:35] content and the algorithm doesn't care
[00:26:37] you know the algorithm doesn't care what
[00:26:39] kind of content it is. It doesn't care
[00:26:40] whether you like it or not. The only
[00:26:41] thing the algorithm cares about is that
[00:26:43] you keep watching it. And so it'll serve
[00:26:45] you up a cute cat video and then it'll
[00:26:46] serve you up a video of somebody getting
[00:26:48] shot in the head and then it'll serve
[00:26:49] you up a video of somebody falling on a
[00:26:50] skateboard and then it'll serve you up a
[00:26:52] Taylor Swift music video. It does not
[00:26:54] give the slightest damn what it is. It
[00:26:55] just wants you looking at it. And this
[00:26:57] thing becomes more and more personalized
[00:26:58] to the kinds of things that you tend to
[00:27:00] look at. Even if you don't like them,
[00:27:01] you tend to look at it. And so now we
[00:27:03] have this weird scenario where
[00:27:06] uh if you go to, you know, if you're if
[00:27:09] you're a parent and you have a you have
[00:27:10] a 15-year-old son,
[00:27:13] your son has his own celebrities. He he
[00:27:17] he has his own culture that he's in that
[00:27:20] that is almost entirely inaccessible to
[00:27:23] you. It's it's incomprehensible to you.
[00:27:25] It's not like when I was a kid in the
[00:27:28] '9s and my parents knew that MTV and
[00:27:31] they didn't really approve of a lot of
[00:27:32] the a lot of the pop music and the rap
[00:27:34] and all that, but they knew who those
[00:27:35] people were because they were the
[00:27:37] celebrities. They were the stars and
[00:27:38] they might not have liked them, but they
[00:27:40] knew who who they were. We all shared
[00:27:42] the same kind we were in the same
[00:27:43] atmosphere of the same stars and
[00:27:44] celebrities and films. And now you can
[00:27:47] have someone who their favorite
[00:27:48] celebrity is some influencer who's got
[00:27:51] 20 million followers, but if you're not
[00:27:54] one of those 20 million followers, you
[00:27:56] have no clue who that person even is um
[00:27:58] at all. And so things are becoming, you
[00:28:01] know, narrower and narrower. And now we
[00:28:04] bring AI online and we extend that out
[00:28:07] another five years. And now we're going
[00:28:09] to be in a world where five years from
[00:28:11] now, your favorite film may be a film
[00:28:16] that no one else on earth has seen
[00:28:18] because AI will just generate it for
[00:28:20] you. And your favorite pop star will be
[00:28:23] someone who no one else has heard. Your
[00:28:25] favorite song is something no one else
[00:28:26] has listened to. We're already seeing
[00:28:28] that starting to happen. I think it's
[00:28:30] going to get worse. And um and the
[00:28:31] monoculture is dead. And now we have
[00:28:33] this kind of fractured culture that is
[00:28:35] broken into a billion different pieces.
[00:28:37] And uh and I'm not sure how we pull
[00:28:39] ourselves out of it.
[00:28:40] >> Depressing. Thanks, man.
[00:28:41] >> It it it is quite depressing. I wanted
[00:28:43] to go first to uh to Drew. Uh
[00:28:46] >> so, did anything I said make any sense
[00:28:48] at all to you whatsoever?
[00:28:50] >> It it made some sense, but I think it's
[00:28:52] too narrow. I mean, there have been many
[00:28:53] great peaks in popular American culture.
[00:28:55] 1939, if you look at the list of movies
[00:28:58] nominated for Oscars, they're not only
[00:29:00] the best the biggest box office movies,
[00:29:02] they're also some of the greatest movies
[00:29:04] ever made, including, you know, The
[00:29:05] Wizard of Oz and Mr. Smith Goes to
[00:29:07] Washington. Real genuine classics. Have
[00:29:09] another
[00:29:10] >> What's that? Yeah. Gone with the Wind.
[00:29:12] You have another big peak uh in the
[00:29:14] 1970s when all the Spielberg pictures
[00:29:16] came out and you had the Godfather and
[00:29:17] you had people lined up around the block
[00:29:19] lines I haven't seen since the 70s so
[00:29:22] that every single person in America had
[00:29:24] seen it. And what you had at the time
[00:29:25] that you're talking about uh most
[00:29:27] especially is that uh surge in
[00:29:30] television when one form the movies
[00:29:32] became kind of obsolete and it played
[00:29:34] out. you had this incred what everything
[00:29:36] you said about television was true like
[00:29:37] the shows were on it was like dazzling I
[00:29:40] my eyes were spiraling at what's
[00:29:42] happened and you're also right about the
[00:29:44] this utter collapse which I've been
[00:29:46] talking about on my show for almost 5
[00:29:48] years of this absolute collapse of the
[00:29:51] culture but I think that what you're
[00:29:52] seeing but I totally uh disagree with
[00:29:55] your the negative uh prediction that
[00:29:57] you're making and here's why I think
[00:29:59] what we're really seeing is we're seeing
[00:30:00] the death of my generation. I'm hoping
[00:30:02] they can leave without taking me with
[00:30:04] them, but we're we're sick of them and
[00:30:05] they're going away. And that all of
[00:30:07] their ideas have come acropper and all
[00:30:09] of these leftwing ideas that just
[00:30:11] completely dominate. I mean, had a
[00:30:12] strangle hold, a monopoly on our our
[00:30:15] culture. All of them turned out to be
[00:30:17] untrue. So, you had this woke moment,
[00:30:19] which was the the what they thought was
[00:30:21] a discovery of a totally new morality
[00:30:22] that every generation before them had
[00:30:24] missed. But in fact, he's just calling
[00:30:26] good evil and evil good. And you can't
[00:30:28] make movies out of that. You can't make
[00:30:29] movies in which women aren't women. You
[00:30:31] can't make movies in which abortion is
[00:30:32] good. You cannot make tell stories in
[00:30:35] which what is actually evil be is
[00:30:37] portrayed as good. You just can't do it.
[00:30:40] I think this whole AI thing. Yeah. Is it
[00:30:43] going to change everything? I think it
[00:30:45] is. But ultimately I I see it already.
[00:30:48] People are using AI. It's going to
[00:30:50] democratize uh the the culture. People
[00:30:53] are already using AI to make films who
[00:30:55] would never have been able to make
[00:30:56] films. Now, right now they're small,
[00:30:58] stupid films, but soon they'll get
[00:31:00] better and better. And I think that
[00:31:02] because of the power of quality and
[00:31:05] because of the tendency of things to
[00:31:07] coalesce, you will see what right now is
[00:31:10] indeed a dead and scattered culture and
[00:31:12] has been for several years. You'll start
[00:31:14] to see it coming back together with new
[00:31:16] forms. And this is the thing I'm worried
[00:31:17] about with conservatives. I'm afraid
[00:31:19] conservatives are still back in the
[00:31:21] movie making days and they don't
[00:31:23] understand that people are going to be
[00:31:24] wearing Oculuses or Oculi or whatever
[00:31:27] and are going to be seeing 3D things. Uh
[00:31:29] they're going to be sharing uh things
[00:31:31] that were made with AI with the help of
[00:31:33] AI and we're I I think we're in the
[00:31:36] past. I think we're doing Christian
[00:31:37] rock. You know, we're saying like uh you
[00:31:39] know, oh here's a form that's already
[00:31:41] there. We're going to do it except we're
[00:31:42] going to do it on the right wing and
[00:31:44] that's not what we need. What we need is
[00:31:45] fresh new ideas and fresh new minds uh
[00:31:48] to make new stuff that that no one's
[00:31:50] ever seen before. I think it's coming. I
[00:31:52] I would I would even give it only two
[00:31:54] years before you're sitting around
[00:31:55] going, "Wow, I didn't I never even saw
[00:31:57] anything like that. That's pretty cool."
[00:31:59] So, I'm I'm much more optimistic than
[00:32:00] that. I do also share I'm kind of like
[00:32:02] yes obviously the technological changes
[00:32:04] are going to kill certain media just
[00:32:06] like uh premium digital TV in the early
[00:32:09] 2000s really supplanted movies but but
[00:32:13] yeah I'm I'm kind of with you Drew on
[00:32:14] the hopefulness in that like the fourth
[00:32:17] we've made it this far into the show
[00:32:19] with only mentioning Aquinus well we
[00:32:21] already mentioned Aquinus because of
[00:32:22] Matt Fred but the the fourth primary
[00:32:24] precept of the natural law is that human
[00:32:26] beings are inclined to live in an
[00:32:27] ordered society and I think that's true
[00:32:29] you know And liberalism sometimes tells
[00:32:31] us we're not inclined to live in society
[00:32:33] that we're all just individuals and you
[00:32:34] know we just fell out of a coconut tree
[00:32:36] like Kla Harris. But no, we're inclined
[00:32:38] to live in society. So I'm with you.
[00:32:40] Even if we make our own weird AI stuff
[00:32:42] that it really only tickles our fancy, I
[00:32:44] think we're going to be impelled to
[00:32:45] share it with other people. It's just
[00:32:47] part of human nature. And so yeah, we're
[00:32:49] in a kind of a the gutters of culture
[00:32:51] right now. But I agree, his history goes
[00:32:53] on. There's no there's no end of history
[00:32:55] until there is.
[00:32:57] >> Um so I I fell asleep. But I don't know
[00:32:59] how you somehow made [laughter] this
[00:33:01] particular topic precept.
[00:33:02] >> I don't I don't know how you made a
[00:33:04] topic about pop culture this boring,
[00:33:06] guys. I I have to admit [laughter] it
[00:33:08] was it was a unique contribution to our
[00:33:11] own cultural moment to make it that
[00:33:12] unbelievably boring. Like really really
[00:33:14] well done. Um I mean I generally agree
[00:33:16] with Matt's with Matt's take. Uh I I
[00:33:18] think that the the rise of the cell
[00:33:19] phone has made it incredibly difficult
[00:33:21] for us to have communal experiences. The
[00:33:22] only communal experiences we have are
[00:33:24] live sporting events. Uh other than that
[00:33:27] uh people people don't just get like the
[00:33:29] reason comedy died is because comedy
[00:33:30] must be experienced communally. You
[00:33:32] cannot really truly experience comedy by
[00:33:35] yourself. Like it's very rare to watch
[00:33:36] something unless you're a naturally
[00:33:38] careless person and just start laughing
[00:33:39] out loud. You might chuckle to yourself
[00:33:41] but like the only time you really laugh
[00:33:43] super hard is when you're with other
[00:33:44] people. Uh and so I think that the death
[00:33:46] of sort of that community experience
[00:33:47] means the comedy was the first to go. Uh
[00:33:49] I think when it comes to sort of the big
[00:33:51] blockbusters because CGI got so
[00:33:53] prevalent then stuff that used to kind
[00:33:55] of blow you away where it's like you got
[00:33:56] to go to the theater and see it. Uh it
[00:33:58] you just don't feel that way anymore and
[00:34:00] you can watch it on your screen if you
[00:34:01] wait for 2 weeks. Uh and so I think co
[00:34:03] killed a lot of that. But as far the the
[00:34:05] biggest thing that happened I think is
[00:34:07] that as we removed all these
[00:34:08] limitations. So I'm I'm a big believer
[00:34:09] in the idea that when it comes to art
[00:34:11] limitations are actually quite useful.
[00:34:13] Limitations force you to do creative
[00:34:15] things within boundaries. And I think
[00:34:17] that as we removed pretty much all the
[00:34:18] boundaries, the art got significantly
[00:34:20] worse. So if you go back to the writing
[00:34:21] of the 1930s and 40s, much of which was
[00:34:23] taking place on sound stages in
[00:34:25] Hollywood with a cast of of rotating
[00:34:27] characters, the writing had to be really
[00:34:29] good because you had all of these
[00:34:30] limitations that been placed upon you.
[00:34:32] And as we started to go to hund00
[00:34:33] million budgets, most of which was CGI,
[00:34:35] it was like, okay, well now I can do
[00:34:37] whatever I want, whatever my whatever
[00:34:38] catches my fancy. It's like, well, what
[00:34:40] if I just write slop? It's it's slop
[00:34:42] that I can just put money into. And and
[00:34:43] then it turns out that it's utterly
[00:34:45] forgettable. And so for a while, TV was
[00:34:47] the place because TV actually had
[00:34:49] limitations, right? You actually had a
[00:34:51] budget that you had to hold to for TV,
[00:34:53] particularly in the Breaking Bad era.
[00:34:54] You could shoot those, aside from the
[00:34:56] actors, pretty cheaply. It's not like a
[00:34:58] a a production that requires vast
[00:35:00] quantities of cash. Same thing was true
[00:35:02] for Sopranos, right? These are all
[00:35:03] dramas that are very well written
[00:35:04] because of the limitations. As you
[00:35:06] remove the limitations, things get
[00:35:08] significantly worse. Now you don't have
[00:35:09] the limitation of having to, for
[00:35:11] example, write a minimum time. You can
[00:35:13] write a 30 secondond thing and it can go
[00:35:14] viral and so that doesn't require you to
[00:35:16] be good at it. You can you can dump AI
[00:35:18] in there just make it slop so you don't
[00:35:20] have to actually be good at it. So the
[00:35:21] quality goes down. I'm I'm not a big fan
[00:35:23] of the democratization of art in this
[00:35:26] way because frankly I don't think most
[00:35:28] people are very good at art. I think
[00:35:30] that I I I think that the the kind of
[00:35:32] idea that everyone can be a poet,
[00:35:34] everyone can make a movie. Now we had
[00:35:36] this with Facebook, right? Well, we're
[00:35:37] all going to make new friends on
[00:35:38] Facebook. And then what did it turn out?
[00:35:39] It turned out that everyone used the
[00:35:41] internet for pornography and none of
[00:35:42] your friends on Facebook are your actual
[00:35:44] friends. And I feel like the same exact
[00:35:45] thing is going to happen with art. Most
[00:35:46] people are not going to be sitting
[00:35:47] around thinking about how do I write the
[00:35:49] next Godfather for me or my friends.
[00:35:50] Most people are going to think around
[00:35:51] think about how do I how do I like make
[00:35:53] the next piece of bizarre tentacle porn
[00:35:55] and and I I just like I I I have I have
[00:35:57] such a low opinion of of human ability
[00:36:00] and and human artistic capacity and
[00:36:02] self-control that if there are no
[00:36:04] external checks, I think it gets worse.
[00:36:05] >> No, but it breaks. I want to get back to
[00:36:07] Thomas Aquinus, but before we do that
[00:36:09] with Matt Frad, I have a question for
[00:36:11] you, Matt.
[00:36:13] >> In Spanish, what's the number after uno?
[00:36:17] >> Dose.
[00:36:19] >> Yes.
[00:36:19] >> Is that
[00:36:20] >> Dose that you? Yes.
[00:36:22] >> Uno. Is it trace? No, it's dose.
[00:36:24] >> No, it's it's dose. It's dose. Stop it.
[00:36:26] We're in the middle of an ad for dose.
[00:36:27] That's it. [laughter] Look, we've all
[00:36:29] seen it. Every week there's a new
[00:36:30] miracle supplement promising to fix
[00:36:32] everything overnight. But that doesn't
[00:36:33] work. One thing that does work is using
[00:36:35] herbal supplements like cumin or ginger,
[00:36:38] dandelion. Like if you take these in the
[00:36:40] proper dosages, actually these are quite
[00:36:41] good for you. And this is where dose for
[00:36:42] your liver comes in. Behold, behold
[00:36:44] right here. Yes. Dose. I I don't know if
[00:36:47] I have a bigger liver than Michael,
[00:36:48] >> but like Michael has a tiny liver
[00:36:50] apparently.
[00:36:50] >> Give me a big we have we have a normal
[00:36:52] like this is a man-sized dose for your
[00:36:54] liver. Michael begging not to be put in
[00:36:56] my liver. Not inflating the liver.
[00:36:58] Please, please. [laughter]
[00:36:59] >> It's a liver health supplement that
[00:37:00] promotes daily liver function so your
[00:37:02] liver can do its job. Think about energy
[00:37:04] production, digestion, fat metabolism,
[00:37:05] vitamin storage. It's taken in a daily 2
[00:37:08] oz shot. It tastes like freshsqueezed
[00:37:10] orange juice. That That's what the the
[00:37:11] ad copy says, and we're about to find
[00:37:12] out right now cuz we're going to taste
[00:37:13] it.
[00:37:13] >> Oh, we have to drink it.
[00:37:15] >> I mean, we get to drink it. [laughter]
[00:37:21] >> Man, you are you are Wow. Wow. Matt,
[00:37:23] what do we even bring you on for? I know
[00:37:25] you're asking yourself the same
[00:37:26] question. Let's try this. Okay.
[00:37:27] >> Same question every time.
[00:37:28] >> It's good.
[00:37:29] >> Hold on. I can't get the thing off of
[00:37:31] it.
[00:37:31] >> Yeah. Can I say something weird? Can I
[00:37:33] say something weird? I love turmeric. I
[00:37:36] love it. I'm like I'm like from the
[00:37:37] hills of Dro Vanantaapuram. I love it.
[00:37:39] I'm a little I'm an Indian in my taste
[00:37:41] for turmeric. My liver is singing. My
[00:37:44] liver is singing. I've come back to
[00:37:45] life. My I'm back. It's alive.
[00:37:48] >> I still haven't got my paper off.
[00:37:50] [laughter]
[00:37:51] >> I take I take I take back Matt saying
[00:37:53] Danard. He He's got to get his wife in
[00:37:55] here to open the cap for him. Dose is a
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[00:38:37] it. It's kosher. That's that's why I'm
[00:38:38] allowed. And it's it actually is quite
[00:38:39] good. I I I like the taste of it and I
[00:38:42] feel fine and fit as a fiddle and ready
[00:38:44] for love. That's the [laughter]
[00:38:47] >> just tmi then.
[00:38:48] >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know,
[00:38:51] >> hey, you know what's one of the greatest
[00:38:53] changes in culture I've seen is that all
[00:38:55] of the political cartoons from the 19th
[00:38:57] century of the tentacles of the Roman
[00:38:59] octopus stretching out all over the
[00:39:01] country and the pope just coming to
[00:39:03] conquer the world. That is happening
[00:39:04] here at the Daily Wire because we are
[00:39:06] bringing on the beloved host of Pines
[00:39:08] with Aquinus, Matt Frat. Matt, welcome.
[00:39:12] >> Good day, fellas. It's nice to be here.
[00:39:15] I've uh admired you guys from afar and
[00:39:18] I've seen that admiration just steadily
[00:39:20] plummet as I've gotten to know you. But
[00:39:22] uh here we are. [laughter]
[00:39:26] >> Well, I mean, first of all, I have to
[00:39:27] say I've done a terrible job here with
[00:39:29] my with my [laughter] Jew propaganda
[00:39:31] outfit where apparently I hire and and
[00:39:34] I'm involved in hiring only Catholics.
[00:39:36] Literally only Catholics. It's like it's
[00:39:38] like Nolles and Walsh and Isabelle and
[00:39:40] you I don't know what's either either
[00:39:43] it's an unstoppable force or I'm really
[00:39:45] bad at my job and it could be both. I
[00:39:47] mean it could be it could be both of
[00:39:48] those things actually.
[00:39:50] >> Clayven, you texted me and said that
[00:39:52] >> you texted me and said that there are
[00:39:54] more Catholics at Daily Wire than at the
[00:39:56] Vatican. And I wasn't sure if you knew
[00:39:58] that that may have been a dark joke
[00:39:59] about the Vatican or not, but it was
[00:40:01] [laughter] good.
[00:40:04] I I actually am impressed that the the
[00:40:06] Catholics are actually getting nicer. I
[00:40:07] mean, I actually like Matt, which is as
[00:40:09] opposed to these guys. And uh it's
[00:40:10] getting it is getting to me. It's like
[00:40:12] the Vatican except for straight people.
[00:40:13] It's uh you know, so it's really
[00:40:15] [laughter]
[00:40:15] it's really exciting.
[00:40:18] >> There's the clip.
[00:40:19] >> Now, I object I object on the record to
[00:40:22] that. [laughter]
[00:40:24] >> Here's a here's the a subject that I
[00:40:26] want to talk about. Are people becoming
[00:40:28] more Christian? Are we in the middle of
[00:40:30] a Christian revival with a sort of a
[00:40:32] sort of emphasis on Catholicism? And and
[00:40:34] the thing is I've been predicting that
[00:40:36] for over a decade. And the the the
[00:40:40] numbers don't show it. You know, the
[00:40:42] feeling is there, but the numbers don't
[00:40:44] really show it. More people are going
[00:40:45] out of the Catholic Church than coming
[00:40:47] in. More people are going out of
[00:40:49] Protestant churches. you know, the
[00:40:50] tragic uh and disgusting murder of our
[00:40:53] friend Charlie Charlie Kirk did cause a
[00:40:55] sort of surge, but it's hard to know
[00:40:57] whether something that is is going to l
[00:40:59] uh is going to last. And I I feel that
[00:41:02] we're looking at the wrong thing. I
[00:41:04] think the thing that's important is that
[00:41:05] smart people uh intellectuals are
[00:41:08] becoming Christians. And I think the
[00:41:09] reason they're becoming Christians is
[00:41:11] because the the thing that we were told
[00:41:13] which is that the science had made that
[00:41:16] uh impossible. All the science had made
[00:41:17] it impossible for smart people to
[00:41:19] believe has all fallen apart. And as
[00:41:21] that has filtered into the universities,
[00:41:23] has filtered into the humane humanity
[00:41:25] departments, you're getting guys like
[00:41:26] Charles Murray, one of the most
[00:41:27] brilliant people alive, going, "Oh,
[00:41:29] yeah. You know, it actually doesn't hold
[00:41:31] together that there's no God." So, I I
[00:41:34] want to ask I want to turn to Ben
[00:41:35] because you killed Jesus, right? I I
[00:41:37] want to ask you uh [laughter] a
[00:41:39] question. You
[00:41:41] >> You're just You make my life so
[00:41:42] difficult. Like, seriously, [laughter]
[00:41:45] guys, it wasn't me. I didn't do it.
[00:41:47] Okay. Like seriously. All right. Anyway,
[00:41:50] >> let me know where you stand. Where you
[00:41:52] stand on the revival and will you will
[00:41:53] you is it isn't it time for you to
[00:41:55] accept your Lord and Savior.
[00:41:57] >> Oh my god. Clay, [laughter] you're just
[00:41:59] he will not stop. I mean, as I've said
[00:42:01] before, whoever converts me gets a
[00:42:02] million well infinity heaven points
[00:42:04] actually is what I is my understanding
[00:42:05] of the theology. But uh when when it
[00:42:07] comes to you know are people going back
[00:42:09] to church? I think the overwhelming
[00:42:10] broad answer is no. But the people who
[00:42:13] are going back to more traditional
[00:42:14] churches you I'll speak for my own
[00:42:17] religious community on this one.
[00:42:19] Obviously, you know, in America, the
[00:42:21] Jewish population is declining because
[00:42:23] the number of people who go to synagogue
[00:42:24] is declining. However, the number of
[00:42:26] people who are going to synagogue who
[00:42:28] are going to Orthodox synagogues is
[00:42:29] radically increasing because the
[00:42:31] Orthodox are maintaining their own and
[00:42:32] their kids are staying Orthodox and
[00:42:34] they're having lots of kids. And people
[00:42:35] who want to be invested in the religion
[00:42:37] want a form of religion that actually
[00:42:39] teaches the the religion. And I I
[00:42:41] suspect the same thing is happening in
[00:42:43] the Catholic community. There are a lot
[00:42:45] of people who are lapsing away from
[00:42:46] Catholicism as as sort of mainline
[00:42:50] Catholic churches in in some areas
[00:42:52] liberalized or or their disagreements
[00:42:54] with some you know the last couple of
[00:42:56] popes particularly Pope Francis in terms
[00:42:58] of some of his politics. But the people
[00:43:00] who are re-engaging are re-engaging in
[00:43:01] very very strong and vibrant ways. And
[00:43:04] so I think what we're seeing is not that
[00:43:06] the numbers are going up right now, but
[00:43:07] that the seeds are planted for the
[00:43:08] numbers to go up very rapidly in the
[00:43:10] future because the people who are
[00:43:12] sticking around are are bringing their
[00:43:13] friends and they're and they're keeping
[00:43:15] their families Catholic. But you know, I
[00:43:17] don't want to I don't know why you went
[00:43:18] to me. Why why am I speaking [laughter]
[00:43:19] for the Catholics? You really should go
[00:43:20] to, you know, like Matt Frad or Matt
[00:43:22] Walsh or Michael Nolles, all of whom are
[00:43:24] Catholic. And like why? Just leave me
[00:43:26] out of this. I [laughter] want to stay
[00:43:28] on Ben for a minute.
[00:43:28] >> I want wait. I want to I want to talk to
[00:43:30] to Matt Fraud because he's you it's not
[00:43:33] just an intellectual pose like with
[00:43:34] Nolles. You actually have faith and I
[00:43:36] want to I want to know what you feel
[00:43:38] about the current situation.
[00:43:41] >> Yeah. I think uh back in 2008 during the
[00:43:44] height craze of the new atheism, we were
[00:43:46] assured that as people gave up their
[00:43:49] primitive knuckleheaded belief in God
[00:43:52] that uh a golden age of reason would be
[00:43:55] ushered in. And then you've got some
[00:43:58] Sheila named Carol marrying a train
[00:44:00] station in San Diego. And more recently,
[00:44:02] men can have periods. And I think we've
[00:44:04] sort of just woken up in the wreckage
[00:44:06] that these lies have brought about. And
[00:44:09] uh we don't want to live in a completely
[00:44:11] meaningless universe. And so if there is
[00:44:13] an argument that's that's moderately
[00:44:15] convincing, it's better to go with that
[00:44:18] than to to live a a life in despair,
[00:44:21] which is what I think atheism gets you.
[00:44:23] So maybe it was that the new atheists
[00:44:25] overplayed their hand. They were very
[00:44:27] cool. Uh but there wasn't much in the
[00:44:29] way of argumentation on their side.
[00:44:32] Yeah.
[00:44:32] >> And uh so it was like a smoke bomb going
[00:44:34] off in culture and people couldn't see
[00:44:36] straight. We didn't know if we were
[00:44:37] abusing our children for teaching them
[00:44:40] uh the Christian faith as Dawkins said
[00:44:42] and these sorts of things. Um but I
[00:44:45] think over time we've realized that
[00:44:46] arguments for atheism aren't good. That
[00:44:49] there are compelling arguments for
[00:44:51] theism. And uh also I think we're just
[00:44:54] culturless monads, a drift and we are
[00:44:59] desirous for a culture, preferably a
[00:45:02] culture that was once our own, which is
[00:45:04] a sort of um a sort of piety, a sort of
[00:45:08] natural piety, a desire to live the way
[00:45:10] that my ancestors lived, you know. Um so
[00:45:13] I think that might be part of it.
[00:45:15] [clears throat]
[00:45:17] >> All right, Nolles. I know nobody really
[00:45:19] cares what you have to say, but say
[00:45:20] something. Go ahead.
[00:45:21] >> Good. I want to I want to contradict
[00:45:23] your premise here which is the notion
[00:45:25] that more people are leaving the
[00:45:26] Catholic Church and are coming in which
[00:45:27] I guess is literally true because we
[00:45:29] have infant baptism as Christians have
[00:45:31] practiced for 2 years though that's a
[00:45:33] debate for another time I suppose but
[00:45:35] because of that you know there are
[00:45:36] people who they'll baptize their kids so
[00:45:38] that they can have a nice lunch with you
[00:45:40] know Aunt Sheila but they don't have any
[00:45:42] intention of practicing the faith and
[00:45:44] and so yeah a lot of those people will
[00:45:46] will fall away echoing a little bit what
[00:45:48] Ben said but if you look at adult
[00:45:50] conversions especially young adult
[00:45:52] conversions, those really are spiking
[00:45:54] and more traditional forms of
[00:45:55] Christianity and especially Catholicism,
[00:45:57] you you are seeing a real surge there in
[00:46:00] America and and in France. And this got
[00:46:02] me wondering uh how Mr. Walsh should
[00:46:04] react to this because it's a frequent
[00:46:07] tension in Matt's thinking. Is there,
[00:46:10] you know, that the natural instinct
[00:46:12] toward pessimism, which is, you know,
[00:46:14] things are collapsing and we're all
[00:46:16] going to be raving baboons, or is there
[00:46:18] this sense of victory that after many
[00:46:21] centuries of oppression, the Catholics
[00:46:23] are finally coming out of Augsburg and
[00:46:25] Westfailia and now we're actually going
[00:46:28] to retake all of the West?
[00:46:30] >> What do you think, Matt? Well, I I I
[00:46:33] there's always the ultimate optimism
[00:46:34] because we've read, you know, the last
[00:46:36] page of the book and we know how the
[00:46:37] story ends and uh and we know it ends
[00:46:39] with triumph, but in in in the in the
[00:46:41] medium term before we get there, what's
[00:46:43] going to happen? I I think I I I have a
[00:46:46] I have a mixture of pessimism and and
[00:46:48] optimism because I I do think that uh
[00:46:50] kind of to to the point that's already
[00:46:52] been raised that the the church is
[00:46:53] getting
[00:46:54] smaller, but it's also getting more
[00:46:56] conservative. It's getting more faithful
[00:46:58] at the same time. And that that's kind
[00:46:59] of what the the statistics show us. But
[00:47:01] then also what you realize is that you
[00:47:03] can't really trust the stats because I
[00:47:05] think what's actually happening is that
[00:47:08] there now that we live in this godless
[00:47:10] heathen world, there's no real cultural
[00:47:15] incentive to just show up to church even
[00:47:18] though you don't believe and you don't
[00:47:19] care. So there's no there's no you don't
[00:47:21] really have the cultural Christians
[00:47:23] anymore. Um because there's no incentive
[00:47:25] for that. You could just not go to
[00:47:26] church. you could you could not claim
[00:47:28] any faith and you'll be fine. Um and I
[00:47:31] so I think that that is falling off now
[00:47:33] 20 years ago, 30 years ago, if you look
[00:47:36] at church attendance or whatever else,
[00:47:37] people that were claiming to be
[00:47:38] Catholic, claiming to be Christian, it
[00:47:40] was higher. But a lot of those people,
[00:47:43] you know, they didn't really believe.
[00:47:44] They didn't actually care. They were
[00:47:46] just showing up. They were going through
[00:47:47] the motions because there was a certain
[00:47:49] cultural social there's a social
[00:47:52] advantage to it. And now that the social
[00:47:54] advantage is gone, a lot of those people
[00:47:55] are falling off. they didn't have the
[00:47:57] faith. They were they were they they
[00:47:58] weren't faithful to begin with. Uh and
[00:48:00] now the people that are showing up like
[00:48:02] they they really believe they're there
[00:48:03] because they really believe. And and I
[00:48:05] also think to um someone's point, I
[00:48:08] wasn't really paying attention. There's
[00:48:10] a this this need for meaning. And so
[00:48:12] what you have, especially with Gen Z,
[00:48:14] they're they're you know, they came into
[00:48:17] a culture that there's no meaning.
[00:48:20] There's there's there's there's it's
[00:48:21] directionless. And so they have this
[00:48:23] this real hunger for meaning, which
[00:48:25] means that that's why you have some Gen
[00:48:27] Z that they're super Catholic, they're
[00:48:29] super conservative, they're really
[00:48:30] traditional, uh, and that's great. And
[00:48:33] you find that they're going to the Latin
[00:48:34] mass and all that kind of stuff. And
[00:48:36] then you also have Gen Z, they've gone
[00:48:38] to the other extreme, and they're
[00:48:39] getting into LGBT and trans and all
[00:48:41] that. But it's it's all it is all this
[00:48:43] intense hunger for for meaning. And some
[00:48:46] of them are finding the right place,
[00:48:47] some of them are finding the the wrong
[00:48:49] place. I mean here I want to compliment
[00:48:50] our new acquisition Matt Frad here
[00:48:52] because I I think that one of the things
[00:48:53] that is happening and it's been
[00:48:55] happening in religious communities for a
[00:48:56] while is that what you said there Matt
[00:48:59] which is that so many young people for a
[00:49:01] while in sort of the new atheist
[00:49:03] movement they figured that it was just
[00:49:04] dumb to be religious that if you were a
[00:49:05] smart person you could not be a
[00:49:07] religious person because science said
[00:49:09] and because if you were the kind of
[00:49:10] person who went to church or you went to
[00:49:12] synagogue that that that meant that you
[00:49:13] you believed in some like weird old man
[00:49:15] in the sky who was manipulating the the
[00:49:17] marionette strings and and I think that
[00:49:19] one of the things that that Matt Fred in
[00:49:20] particular has done because you
[00:49:22] dedicated your life to making logical
[00:49:23] arguments on behalf of of faith and on
[00:49:25] behalf of the Bible because of that even
[00:49:27] if people don't necessarily believe
[00:49:29] because of those arguments they
[00:49:30] understand that intelligent people do
[00:49:32] believe those arguments and I think that
[00:49:34] this is actually a really really
[00:49:35] important thing because there was sort
[00:49:37] of a cultural dichotomy that was placed
[00:49:38] for most of my childhood between sort of
[00:49:41] the dumb rubes who who went to church
[00:49:43] and believed in God and then the the
[00:49:45] very intelligent university goers who
[00:49:47] who really believed you the the smart
[00:49:49] things and the smart people would never
[00:49:51] hang out with the church people and the
[00:49:52] church people were a bunch of backwater
[00:49:54] kind kind of like how Barack Obama
[00:49:55] described them, right? The bitter
[00:49:56] clingers and all of this and and I think
[00:49:58] that two things happened. one, the
[00:49:59] expert class completely fell on their fa
[00:50:01] face with with so many of their beliefs
[00:50:03] and it ended in men can be women and and
[00:50:05] at the same time there was a new class
[00:50:07] of people like you to to who are out
[00:50:09] there intellectually saying hold up a
[00:50:12] second like here's an a high IQ defense
[00:50:15] of of what of what God is and how people
[00:50:18] believe in in God and in fact I don't
[00:50:20] have to make that up I can cite some of
[00:50:21] the smartest people who ever lived
[00:50:23] including Aquinus to to actually explain
[00:50:25] all of this and so even if people don't
[00:50:27] necessarily understand the ontological
[00:50:29] argument. They understand that very
[00:50:30] intelligent people make the ontological
[00:50:32] argument and therefore it is not stupid
[00:50:34] to believe in the onlogical argument.
[00:50:35] >> This is such a great point, Ben, because
[00:50:37] it just gives a a kind of permission.
[00:50:39] This happened to me like it's not like I
[00:50:41] certainly not when I first encountered
[00:50:42] them that I understood these arguments
[00:50:44] for God. It just was enough to say, "Oh,
[00:50:46] wait. Smart people can articulate things
[00:50:48] in a smart way. Maybe I should give that
[00:50:50] a go." And to your point, Matt, yes, you
[00:50:51] know, 30 years ago, maybe the number was
[00:50:53] higher or the percentage was higher of
[00:50:55] supposedly practicing Catholics, but to
[00:50:57] me that the test is, well, how many go
[00:50:59] to confession, you know, and like 30
[00:51:01] years ago, like everyone stopped going
[00:51:02] to confession. And we believe as a
[00:51:04] matter of faith that you can't receive
[00:51:06] our Lord in a state of mortal sin. And
[00:51:08] if you're in a state of of grave mortal
[00:51:09] sin, you know, you're you're really in
[00:51:11] danger of hellfire. And so, if you're
[00:51:12] not taking that part seriously, you
[00:51:14] know, I you do have to wonder how
[00:51:16] seriously you're taking the faith. I
[00:51:17] think it was Padre Peio said that the
[00:51:19] confessional is like a bath for the
[00:51:21] soul. And uh Mr. Fred, I can't help but
[00:51:23] notice that when you get out of the
[00:51:25] bath, you unlike the other people on
[00:51:27] this on this uh panel right now, you
[00:51:29] shave what would be your beard.
[00:51:33] >> Well, first of all,
[00:51:35] >> it should be I want to just state for
[00:51:37] the record that I said to Daily Wire,
[00:51:38] don't you think it's a bit tacky for me
[00:51:40] to shill your merch on the on day one?
[00:51:43] Uh, and they they just they just showed
[00:51:45] me a whip and told me to shut up. So,
[00:51:47] no, not at all, man. [laughter] I mean,
[00:51:49] I'm a big fan of Jeremy's razors myself.
[00:51:52] Uh, I know Matt Walsh has made fun of
[00:51:54] the likes of me, and I I don't think
[00:51:56] he's he's wrong to have done that, but
[00:51:58] my wife has really sensitive skin and
[00:52:00] doesn't enjoy kissing me when I have
[00:52:02] whiskers. And so, for a while, I had to
[00:52:04] decide, do I want the respect of men or
[00:52:06] the kisses of my wife? And I don't know
[00:52:08] what it says about me, but it was a it
[00:52:10] was a tough call. But when I decided I
[00:52:12] got razor
[00:52:15] >> and shaved the face and uh there you
[00:52:17] are.
[00:52:18] >> Nobody understands Jeremy's razors
[00:52:20] better than I do because I have m much
[00:52:21] more real estate to shave uh than the
[00:52:24] rest of you. And I actually I actually
[00:52:26] use and subscribe to to Jeremy's razors.
[00:52:29] I don't even know if you guys remember
[00:52:31] that Harry's razors. I think it was you,
[00:52:33] Nolles. They canceled you because what
[00:52:36] did you say? Men can't become women.
[00:52:37] Some kind of subversive trash like that.
[00:52:39] and they actually cancelled their ads.
[00:52:41] And so we started Jeremy's razors. We
[00:52:43] named them after Jeremy irons, I think.
[00:52:45] And uh we we started to put out razors
[00:52:48] that actually support the idea that men
[00:52:51] should be men and should be, you know,
[00:52:53] uh have have a razor that can not just
[00:52:56] not just cut the beard, it should just
[00:52:57] take their skin [laughter]
[00:53:00] right the hell off, you know. I think
[00:53:02] that and I think that's why we're so
[00:53:04] tough that we can use uh you know,
[00:53:06] Jeremy's razors. They're absolutely
[00:53:08] terrific. And right now you can get two
[00:53:11] full years of premium shaves for just 21
[00:53:14] cents a day, which for me is like I mean
[00:53:16] you got to prorrate that. That's like a
[00:53:18] penny a minute almost. Uh that's 730
[00:53:21] days of a shave as uncompromising as you
[00:53:24] are. Go to jeremy'srazors.com
[00:53:27] and get the razor that works as hard as
[00:53:29] you do and be a man for crying out loud.
[00:53:31] Be just an unrepentant man because
[00:53:34] that's what it's about. That's what
[00:53:35] Jeremy's razors are all about.
[00:53:37] >> Yeah. Let me let me jump. I mean,
[00:53:38] there's no there's no good if there was
[00:53:41] a clever segue, I wouldn't be the guy to
[00:53:43] find it anyway. [laughter] But in this
[00:53:44] case, there isn't one. I do want to tell
[00:53:46] you, though, uh about
[00:53:48] >> when you use Jeremy's razors, your face
[00:53:50] will be softer than a baby's bottom.
[00:53:53] >> There you go.
[00:53:54] >> That's
[00:53:56] off to him.
[00:53:56] >> That's exactly what I meant when I said
[00:53:58] that there's no good segway. [laughter]
[00:53:59] So,
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[00:55:59] Okay, Matt, I've had enough Matt Brad,
[00:56:01] I've had enough talk about just generic
[00:56:03] theism and everything. I want to know.
[00:56:06] It's been a little bit of a rough 500
[00:56:08] years for Holy Mother Church and there
[00:56:10] have been ups and downs. Really great
[00:56:12] art actually and the counterreformation
[00:56:13] all. So I I feel great. I feel really
[00:56:17] good. And I know there's some people who
[00:56:18] always just want to be down and every
[00:56:20] anything the pope does is bad and
[00:56:22] anything that seems good about the
[00:56:24] culture, the Christian culture or you
[00:56:26] know for the church I don't know somehow
[00:56:28] is bad and I don't know maybe I'm a
[00:56:29] little too rosy about it. But are you
[00:56:32] feeling good?
[00:56:33] >> Me? Yeah. Yeah, I feel I feel fine.
[00:56:35] Yeah, I think the the [laughter] reason
[00:56:36] I'm a Catholic is that I I think uh I
[00:56:39] think Catholicism [clears throat] is
[00:56:40] true. I think that God exists. Uh that
[00:56:42] Christ is the second person of the
[00:56:43] blessed trinity, the long- awaited
[00:56:45] Messiah. I think he established a church
[00:56:46] and I think he gave that church
[00:56:48] authority and that that church is the
[00:56:49] Catholic Church. You know, we live in a
[00:56:51] day and age where we're constantly
[00:56:52] bombarded with the latest scandals. And
[00:56:55] that can be very demoralizing and it
[00:56:57] makes sense, you know, and you think,
[00:56:58] well, how could this possibly be the
[00:56:59] true true church of Christ when we see
[00:57:02] scandals? when we see abuses, when we
[00:57:04] see cowardice, but I was thinking this
[00:57:06] morning that that would also invalidate
[00:57:08] the true religion in the old covenant,
[00:57:10] you know, I mean, Rahab the prostitute,
[00:57:13] Moses the murderer, Solomon has his
[00:57:16] heart turned towards Bal um by his
[00:57:20] foreign wives, David the adulterer. So,
[00:57:24] um I think if you're looking for the
[00:57:26] true church, and by the true church you
[00:57:28] mean the church of perfect people, then
[00:57:30] you won't find it. And if you did and
[00:57:32] then joined it, it wouldn't be because
[00:57:33] you you're abysmal. Um, so I think when
[00:57:37] people are evaluating whether or not the
[00:57:40] Catholic Church is the true church, they
[00:57:41] should they should think of they should
[00:57:43] think of it that way. Does God exist?
[00:57:45] Has he revealed himself definitively in
[00:57:47] the person of Jesus Christ? And has he
[00:57:49] established a church? And which church
[00:57:50] is that?
[00:57:52] Is that too serious? Was that
[00:57:54] >> No. No. That's
[00:57:55] >> Did that bring you You're already almost
[00:57:57] there. You're you're peering over the
[00:57:59] tyber just dipping your toe in.
[00:58:01] >> But I do join us. Everything's on fire.
[00:58:04] We need you.
[00:58:06] >> Every one thing that almost everybody
[00:58:08] has hit on is the fact that, you know,
[00:58:10] ideas trickle down. Ideas do trickle
[00:58:12] down from the top. And I I I I talk to
[00:58:14] people as you all do all across the
[00:58:15] country. One thing you hear people say
[00:58:16] all the time is, "Well, I'm not smart.
[00:58:18] I'm not educated, but you know, I have
[00:58:19] this opinion." And the opinion is
[00:58:21] usually far smarter than any uh
[00:58:23] university professor. And and now I
[00:58:26] think what you're getting is permission
[00:58:28] to believe because the science is simply
[00:58:30] very it's it's not dispositive. You
[00:58:33] never can prove a spiritual truth. Spir
[00:58:35] proof is an actual material uh thing
[00:58:38] that you do a material process. But the
[00:58:41] science just shows that one
[00:58:42] consciousness is almost certainly uh
[00:58:45] separate from material. It does not come
[00:58:48] from the brain. It comes through the
[00:58:49] brain. And the other thing is that the
[00:58:51] world is simply built for us. It is
[00:58:53] built for life. The odds of this world
[00:58:56] being what it is are the same odds as a
[00:58:58] wind blowing across a junkyard and
[00:59:00] assembling a 747. It's just not going to
[00:59:03] happen. And the the fingerprints of the
[00:59:05] creator are everywhere. I mean, the
[00:59:07] heavens declare his glory and all of
[00:59:09] that stuff is true. Once you start
[00:59:11] getting into your own personal religion,
[00:59:12] I think things, you know, then you get
[00:59:14] into the old arguments and I believe
[00:59:16] those should be uh solved by violence. I
[00:59:18] think the 30 years war, we should just
[00:59:19] bring that back and just have utter like
[00:59:21] warfare and and death across the
[00:59:23] different uh the different [laughter]
[00:59:25] different belief systems until the last
[00:59:28] man is standing. I think [laughter]
[00:59:29] that's the only that's the only way,
[00:59:31] right? I mean, otherwise we have to be
[00:59:32] nice to one another and kind of listen
[00:59:34] to each other's ideas and it would be
[00:59:35] like the show. We wouldn't be able to
[00:59:36] stand it. [laughter]
[00:59:39] >> That's a that's a great point.
[00:59:41] Unfortunately, I can't reach through the
[00:59:42] screen. I can only [laughter]
[00:59:44] >> Can I say something else? Because
[00:59:46] >> Oh, you go. No. Yeah. No, please.
[00:59:49] >> Okay. I I was going to say I was say
[00:59:51] there's like a pragmatic reason to
[00:59:52] believe in God and Christianity as well.
[00:59:56] Um Pascal gets into this in his ponies,
[00:59:58] the basic idea being if I can't decide
[01:00:00] whether the arguments for atheism or
[01:00:02] Christian theism, if I can't decide that
[01:00:04] one's better than the other, then I
[01:00:06] still could have a pragmatic reason to
[01:00:08] preferring one over the other. Um the
[01:00:11] second Vatican council said that when
[01:00:13] God is forgotten, the creature itself
[01:00:15] grows unintelligible. And I think if you
[01:00:17] look around in our what we call our
[01:00:19] culture, I don't think we have a
[01:00:20] culture, but when we look around today,
[01:00:21] I think we just see a lot of people who
[01:00:23] are don't know where they're from, what
[01:00:25] they're for, or where they're going. Uh
[01:00:27] so, but I think the ad the opposite is
[01:00:29] true, too, right? So if I can come to
[01:00:31] believe in God and his revelation, then
[01:00:34] I know that I've come from somewhere
[01:00:36] that I'm for something and that there's
[01:00:38] a way in which I should live and that
[01:00:39] when I act in accordance with that,
[01:00:41] whether or not I know how to out debate
[01:00:44] atheists on the internet, if I put that
[01:00:46] into effect in my life and my life
[01:00:48] becomes better, if people around me
[01:00:50] start like if my wife starts liking me
[01:00:51] more, you know, because I'm patient and
[01:00:53] kind and then then that's maybe do that.
[01:00:55] I I remember I met several people like I
[01:00:57] just I just can't believe like just just
[01:00:59] choose to do it. Just because if God
[01:01:01] doesn't exist, what are you afraid of?
[01:01:02] Being a hypocrite, that wouldn't be
[01:01:03] immoral. Just get over it. Just be a
[01:01:04] hypocrite.
[01:01:05] >> But but if there's good reason to
[01:01:06] believe in God, then [clears throat]
[01:01:07] start acting like that.
[01:01:09] >> Although I I think your your first
[01:01:11] statement I I prefer I prefer to believe
[01:01:13] because it is it is true. Uh and then
[01:01:16] let the benefits of it come to
[01:01:19] >> I actually I agree with Matt Fred's
[01:01:21] second statement there. Actually, that
[01:01:24] practical person.
[01:01:24] >> Yeah. Well, the well no the I mean I
[01:01:27] might be so bold as to call it the the
[01:01:28] Jewish approach to religion which is do
[01:01:30] the mitzvote and then you end up
[01:01:31] believing in God, right? Like basically
[01:01:33] do the thing and it turns out that when
[01:01:35] you do the thing and it enriches your
[01:01:37] life in a particular way then you end up
[01:01:39] actually with a deeper belief system
[01:01:40] about the nature of the system into
[01:01:42] which you are buying than if you had
[01:01:44] never done the thing. It's it's what I
[01:01:46] know there have been some jokes about
[01:01:47] you know if I if if I were to convert
[01:01:49] would I end up as a Catholic or a
[01:01:50] Protestant? And I've I've offended both
[01:01:52] parties [laughter] by suggesting that um
[01:01:55] while I have tremendous sympathy for the
[01:01:57] rules-based order that the Catholics
[01:01:59] provide, if I were going to ditch an
[01:02:01] even more rules-based order, I'd go all
[01:02:02] the way and it'd be party time and I'm
[01:02:04] going full Protestant. Um so I've pissed
[01:02:06] off everybody with that particular
[01:02:08] answer. But the but the sort of acts
[01:02:10] based, you know, form of of of finding
[01:02:14] religion, I think it it actually is the
[01:02:15] way I think that most people actually
[01:02:17] end up believing in religion. I think
[01:02:18] that the the intellectual frameworks
[01:02:20] that that all of us spend time creating
[01:02:22] around God and around the Bible, you
[01:02:24] know, I think that those it provides
[01:02:26] that permission structure, but I think
[01:02:28] that the way that most people actually
[01:02:29] engage in religious life is they just
[01:02:31] engage in religious life. And it it's
[01:02:34] why even even the very notion of I
[01:02:36] believe in God is such an
[01:02:37] intellectualized form of how most people
[01:02:40] actually behave with regard to God that
[01:02:42] I don't think it has tremendous value in
[01:02:44] the way that I think that our our overly
[01:02:45] intellectualized society you know sort
[01:02:47] of promotes our society like well do you
[01:02:49] believe in God or do you not believe in
[01:02:51] God if you believe in God why do you
[01:02:52] believe in God what are all the reasons
[01:02:54] you believe in God and that that's sort
[01:02:55] of like saying you know do you believe
[01:02:56] in gravity do you not believe in gravity
[01:02:58] if you do believe in gravity please
[01:02:59] explain the physics of how gravity works
[01:03:01] like well no I live in a that has
[01:03:03] gravity in it. And and so for me, I live
[01:03:06] in a God- created world. And I act in a
[01:03:08] way that I would only act if God were a
[01:03:10] part of my world. And I think that even
[01:03:12] people who are atheists or agnostic very
[01:03:14] often are living in that same world
[01:03:15] without recognizing that they're living
[01:03:17] in that God created order. And so I
[01:03:19] think that that, you know,
[01:03:20] >> would you have a problem? I mean, I have
[01:03:21] a problem when I hear Christians say
[01:03:23] things like, you know, they'll say
[01:03:24] things like, "Nobody is born imperfect."
[01:03:26] And you think like, I've I've seen some
[01:03:28] pretty tragic births in my life, you
[01:03:29] know, and I I don't think that that's
[01:03:30] true. If I found myself spouting
[01:03:32] untruths in the name of God, I would I
[01:03:35] would begin to have doubts. The my
[01:03:37] experience was that having reasoned my
[01:03:39] way to the probability of God, I began
[01:03:41] to engage with God and found that
[01:03:43] everything made sense. Everything made
[01:03:44] more sense. Suddenly, I wasn't talking
[01:03:46] nonsense anymore. I mean, I am Drew. No,
[01:03:48] I think that that's it's a great point,
[01:03:50] but I also think that's why it's very
[01:03:51] important, and this actually is I think
[01:03:53] a general statement about religion that
[01:03:55] I'll be interested to hear you guys take
[01:03:56] on. I think one of the problems with
[01:03:58] with sort of the internet subculture
[01:03:59] around religion is that people go very
[01:04:01] quickly from new convert to preacher
[01:04:03] >> and you know and and that I think is
[01:04:05] actually a gigantic mistake. I don't
[01:04:07] think that you get to convert to
[01:04:08] Catholicism tomorrow and become pope the
[01:04:10] day after.
[01:04:11] >> Uh and and I I don't think that you like
[01:04:13] you you actually have to spend some time
[01:04:14] and become comfortable with the ideas to
[01:04:16] the point where you actually live the
[01:04:18] ideas, believe the ideas and and
[01:04:19] understand them to be true in your heart
[01:04:21] in order for you to promote them
[01:04:23] rationally. And I think that you can
[01:04:24] start off by not fully believing the
[01:04:26] thing that you're working through. But I
[01:04:28] do think that you actually have to spend
[01:04:29] a lot of time with the thing before you
[01:04:30] actually believe the thing to to the you
[01:04:33] know to to the point where you can say
[01:04:35] to other people this is true and not be
[01:04:37] dishonest about it.
[01:04:38] >> Yeah. And as you say the smartest people
[01:04:39] in history have have all believed and
[01:04:41] there's you don't want to throw away
[01:04:42] their thoughts which is what guys like
[01:04:44] Dawkins do. It's what those new atheists
[01:04:46] did. It's like a that's ridiculous. And
[01:04:48] then you realize they've never read
[01:04:49] Aquinas. They've never read the people
[01:04:51] who thought thought these thoughts. You
[01:04:52] know, they just have no idea. It is
[01:04:54] simply a club, a a sophisticated elite
[01:04:57] club of unbelievers that I grew up in.
[01:05:00] But I think it's falling apart. And I
[01:05:01] think I think the reason it's falling
[01:05:02] apart is because of science. I think
[01:05:04] science has just made it untenable uh to
[01:05:06] hold those opinions with that kind of
[01:05:07] sneering superiority. I think that's all
[01:05:09] over now. And I think that just frees
[01:05:11] people into belief. You know, it frees
[01:05:13] free people to believe.
[01:05:14] >> Have you noticed that Mr. Walsh Have you
[01:05:16] noticed that Mr. Walsh is sitting there
[01:05:18] like some kind of Hindu
[01:05:20] like a like a baba just [laughter]
[01:05:22] meditating on. Is it because you've
[01:05:23] reached a sort of spiritual
[01:05:24] enlightenment?
[01:05:25] >> I have. I've re I've reached Zen. I
[01:05:26] became Buddhist. I didn't tell you guys.
[01:05:28] [laughter]
[01:05:28] >> I I do think I Well, I was thinking
[01:05:30] about uh Matt your the point you made
[01:05:32] about not not to not to um oversimplify,
[01:05:36] but it's a little bit of like fake it
[01:05:37] till you make it. Like, you know, maybe
[01:05:39] maybe you don't fully believe this, but
[01:05:42] if it's if it's not true, you got
[01:05:43] nothing to lose by sort of acting as
[01:05:46] though it is. And then a maybe as you
[01:05:49] act as though it is, you'll you'll
[01:05:50] you'll come to believe it. If I
[01:05:51] understand kind of your point. And I
[01:05:53] think that
[01:05:55] in many cases in life, I actually think
[01:05:57] fake it till you make it is is is maybe
[01:05:59] one of the wisest cliches that's um ever
[01:06:02] been uttered because that is true for a
[01:06:04] lot of things. I mean, I've said this
[01:06:05] many times about depression. You know,
[01:06:08] people say, "Well, I'm so unhappy. I
[01:06:10] don't know how to be not depressed."
[01:06:12] Well, just pretend you're not. Like,
[01:06:14] just act like you're not. pretend you're
[01:06:15] not unhappy. Just go around, totally
[01:06:18] fake it. Be completely fake and phony
[01:06:20] and act like you are not depressed. And
[01:06:22] and you will find that that that you
[01:06:24] actually become less depressed because
[01:06:25] you're acting like it. So, I think that
[01:06:26] that is often true with a lot of things.
[01:06:28] >> Matt, how's that working out with you
[01:06:29] for the show, [laughter]
[01:06:31] but I'm not I'm not faking it though.
[01:06:33] That's the thing. I'm not faking it at
[01:06:34] all. Uh but I but the So, but the So, I
[01:06:37] think there's a lot of truth to that.
[01:06:38] But the counterpoint when it comes to
[01:06:40] religion in particular is that like I I
[01:06:42] said what feels like two and a half
[01:06:43] hours ago that [laughter] it's like
[01:06:46] people were doing people people were
[01:06:48] doing that in the culture when there was
[01:06:49] a when there was a social incentive they
[01:06:51] were going to church they were going
[01:06:52] they were going through the motions and
[01:06:54] then as a social incentive fell off they
[01:06:56] just stopped going and so in a way they
[01:06:58] were kind of faking it um but they
[01:07:00] didn't make it you know so it didn't it
[01:07:02] that that didn't seem to quite work on a
[01:07:05] on a societal scale uh in our in our
[01:07:07] country Yes. And you know, look, a lot
[01:07:09] of what this a lot of what we're talking
[01:07:11] about is actually natural reason, right?
[01:07:12] You know, a lot of it is okay, we can
[01:07:15] know things about human nature. Even to
[01:07:16] your point, Matt, on you know, fake it
[01:07:18] till you make it. There's just things
[01:07:19] about human nature and human behavior
[01:07:20] that are that will conduce to some kind
[01:07:22] of flourishing and maybe make you happy.
[01:07:23] And and in all this talk of like if you
[01:07:25] if you live in accord with the truth,
[01:07:28] that's going to get you somewhere. And
[01:07:29] there there look there's truth in
[01:07:30] natural religion, even maths baba swami
[01:07:32] stuff from the far east. And uh but but
[01:07:34] I I think this also gets to the point we
[01:07:36] were talking about earlier when we were
[01:07:38] alluding to relitigating the 30 years
[01:07:40] war is you know look there's a lot we
[01:07:42] can know from abstract reason and you
[01:07:45] know from nature but then there's
[01:07:47] particularity to it too you know and
[01:07:49] certainly Christians believe in a very
[01:07:50] particular religion Jews do also you
[01:07:52] know a particular people or a particular
[01:07:54] god speaks to a particular people and a
[01:07:55] particular mountain and so I think
[01:07:57] that's what's what's really interesting
[01:07:58] about this moment is we've gone from
[01:08:00] this bland genericnosticism that says
[01:08:02] not even our bodies really matter to us
[01:08:04] at all. That's where you get
[01:08:05] transgenderism down to, well, hold on.
[01:08:07] Does God exist? Okay. Well, what is God
[01:08:09] like? Okay. There's this God and did he
[01:08:11] really reveal himself? Did he really is
[01:08:12] he really incarnate as a real individual
[01:08:15] particular person? And then to your
[01:08:16] point, Mr. Frad, you know, and does he
[01:08:19] really establish a particular church?
[01:08:20] And does he really encourage us to do
[01:08:22] particular things, you know, leave us
[01:08:24] particular sacraments in a particular
[01:08:26] way? And on that uh uh Catholic
[01:08:28] propaganda, Matt, I'm very much looking
[01:08:31] forward to uh Pints with Aquinus
[01:08:33] launching I think in in January. Is that
[01:08:35] right? On Daily Wire. Cor
[01:08:36] >> correct. I'm I'm pumped as well. Thank
[01:08:38] you.
[01:08:39] >> In a particular year, which is 2026.
[01:08:41] Very good, Matt. Thank you. I'm very
[01:08:43] excited about this. I will say
[01:08:44] >> and he's already been initiated. I mean,
[01:08:45] he read his first ad here, which as we
[01:08:46] all know is the actual real initiation
[01:08:48] ritual of joining Daily Wire. The Yamaka
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[01:08:52] >> Yeah, you they [laughter] did say you
[01:08:53] have to become Jewish, right?
[01:08:55] discuss that with you, dude.
[01:08:56] >> That's on the contract renegotiation, I
[01:08:58] think. I know. Okay, Matt, thank you
[01:09:00] very much.
[01:09:01] >> So, we're all obviously super pumped to
[01:09:03] have Matt Frad with us here at Daily
[01:09:05] Wire. Matt is awesome. His show is
[01:09:07] great. One of the smartest people
[01:09:09] around. One of the dumbest people around
[01:09:11] and one of the most terrific people
[01:09:12] around is about to be the mayor of New
[01:09:13] York. That Zoran Mani, according to the
[01:09:15] latest Kalshi odds, apparently he's an
[01:09:18] 87% favorite to become the Democratic
[01:09:21] nominee. And that's people putting their
[01:09:22] money where their mouth is because
[01:09:23] that's a that's essentially a betting
[01:09:24] market. And um and yeah, it looks like
[01:09:27] he's very likely to become the next
[01:09:28] mayor of New York. And my perspective on
[01:09:30] that, I believe we don't even have to
[01:09:31] talk about this. I think we all know
[01:09:32] that he's a Marxist, pro- jihadi,
[01:09:34] terrible person. And I think it it
[01:09:36] speaks ill of an enormous number of
[01:09:38] people in New York. And um I think the
[01:09:40] only question really is, you know, do
[01:09:42] the people of New York deserve this?
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[01:09:45] it. And the theory of democracy is that
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[01:16:02] ahead.
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