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[00:00:00] faithfulness.
[00:00:04] There is no river that runs
[00:00:08] wide as your goodness.
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[00:00:23] Man, Charlie, uh, I I remember when we
[00:00:26] were starting these out and
[00:00:28] >> it was that like that.
[00:00:29] >> No, it was like this. It was like it was
[00:00:31] like your average
[00:00:32] >> three rows.
[00:00:33] >> It was like your average political
[00:00:34] meeting where there was like 12 people
[00:00:35] in a room and uh, this is this is
[00:00:38] awesome.
[00:00:42] >> This, in my personal opinion, was the
[00:00:44] most over-the-top Trump event that I've
[00:00:47] ever covered.
[00:00:48] >> This is the number one boots on the
[00:00:49] ground operation in the country. We're
[00:00:51] working directly in harmony with the
[00:00:52] Trump campaign. It's been vetted. It's
[00:00:54] been cleared. It's been blessed as you
[00:00:55] can see there. And we're going to try to
[00:00:56] win this thing. No guarantees. It's what
[00:00:58] we do that matters. Mr. President, I can
[00:01:00] tell you this room is 100% with you and
[00:01:02] we have your back. God bless you. Thank
[00:01:05] you.
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[00:01:17] As you know, we are heading on campus
[00:01:20] here momentarily at the University of
[00:01:22] South Florida, throwing it down with the
[00:01:25] students. It's going to be a lot of fun.
[00:01:27] Uh we are excited to continue this
[00:01:29] cultural movement that we have started
[00:01:31] at Turning Point USA. More high school
[00:01:33] chapters, more college chapters, and
[00:01:36] disagreement is not just welcome, it is
[00:01:38] invited. We want to have those tough
[00:01:40] conversations. That's what it's all
[00:01:41] about.
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[00:02:04] because you're not supposed to be
[00:02:06] involved in this. You're supposed to
[00:02:07] just kind of be on the vote for me every
[00:02:09] four years, give me more political
[00:02:11] power, and stay out of my business. And
[00:02:12] what has happened is we are seeing an
[00:02:14] explosion in citizen participation.
[00:02:18] >> There is nothing
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[00:02:27] all my days
[00:02:30] your mercy.
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[00:02:37] Oh, there is nothing else
[00:02:42] I'll ever need.
[00:02:44] >> Knock on that extra door. Go that extra
[00:02:46] mile. talk to that extra friend because
[00:02:49] throughout voting month and culminating
[00:02:52] on the 5th of November, I believe it
[00:02:54] will go down as a day that people
[00:02:56] remember, as a day that is written about
[00:02:59] history books, as the final battle from
[00:03:02] the golden escalator on down. From
[00:03:04] defeating Hillary Clinton, from the
[00:03:06] nonsense of 2020, from Butler,
[00:03:08] Pennsylvania, November 5th, it all
[00:03:10] culminates where we restore the promise
[00:03:13] that the founders gave us. and they
[00:03:15] said, "Hey, if the people want it, the
[00:03:18] people get it, and we the people take
[00:03:20] back America. God bless Arizona." And
[00:03:23] thank you so much.
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[00:03:33] Every day, the American people demand
[00:03:36] certain accomplishments and victories.
[00:03:39] Disagreement is what keeps a movement
[00:03:41] alive, keeps a movement fun. Here in
[00:03:44] this country, we are a country of
[00:03:45] flourishing. We're a country of
[00:03:47] risk-taking. We're a country of
[00:03:49] building. We will achieve American
[00:03:52] greatness. And we are just getting
[00:03:54] started. All my days
[00:03:57] your mercy follow me.
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[00:05:41] Every day there's a battle for your mind
[00:05:43] raging. Information coming from every
[00:05:45] angle with the will to deceive. Fear
[00:05:48] not. You found the place for truth. The
[00:05:51] voice of a generation that still has the
[00:05:53] will to believe in the greatest country
[00:05:55] in the history of the world. This is the
[00:05:58] Charlie Kirk Show. Buckle up. Here we
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[00:06:05] Ah, that intro made me emotional. It's
[00:06:07] Tucker Carlson. I'm honored to be
[00:06:08] sitting in uh to host the Charlie Kirk
[00:06:11] show today. I was I flew in um from the
[00:06:15] east coast last night and was thinking
[00:06:17] about what to do today for two hours and
[00:06:20] there's all this very ugly drama
[00:06:22] swirling uh around the Republican party,
[00:06:26] the right, the memory of Charlie Kirk
[00:06:28] and I just thought and I've got of
[00:06:29] course strong opinions. I have strong
[00:06:31] opinions about everything and I've
[00:06:32] expressed them but I I thought I really
[00:06:34] need a break from that and I don't think
[00:06:35] that any of it reflects who Charlie was
[00:06:38] fundamentally. Who was Charlie
[00:06:39] fundamentally? who was a Christian man
[00:06:41] and Jesus was the center of his life.
[00:06:44] That was obvious to anyone who knew him.
[00:06:46] It emerged in conversation immediately
[00:06:47] when you talked to him. That's that's
[00:06:50] just a fact about Charlie. His life was
[00:06:52] about following Jesus, period. And so I
[00:06:56] think the best way to explain who he was
[00:06:58] is to spend the next two hours talking
[00:07:00] about Jesus and Charlie's relationship
[00:07:01] with him. And so I'm going to be really
[00:07:03] happy to do that. This will be the
[00:07:06] happiest conversation about Charlie
[00:07:08] Kirk, I hope. uh all week and so as I
[00:07:11] said I'm hosting but I have no idea how
[00:07:13] the show works. I literally don't know.
[00:07:15] Um though I've I've done it but luckily
[00:07:18] Andrew and Blake are here who I know
[00:07:20] very well. Um I've actually worked with
[00:07:22] Blake for years in another life. We're
[00:07:24] both grateful to be gone from that. Uh
[00:07:26] but Andrew is really going to be like
[00:07:27] running in and out. We have these things
[00:07:29] called breaks and you've got commercials
[00:07:30] and all that.
[00:07:31] >> Yeah, we got a show to run here. Okay.
[00:07:33] >> Show but you know what?
[00:07:35] >> She's not suited.
[00:07:36] >> But listen, we'll blow the brakes when
[00:07:37] we have to. So, if you're watching on
[00:07:38] stream, if you're watching on uh Real
[00:07:40] America's Voice, you're watching on one,
[00:07:42] you know, a video platform, you'll
[00:07:43] probably be fine. We're just going to
[00:07:45] we're just going to have fun today.
[00:07:46] >> Good. Well, I with you in charge of the
[00:07:49] details, I know that that will happen.
[00:07:51] >> Correct.
[00:07:51] >> Blake, it's wonderful to see you. We
[00:07:53] talked on the phone the other day. I've
[00:07:55] been thinking about you every single
[00:07:56] day. Um so, I hope you're holding up and
[00:07:58] I'm and I'm grateful that you're here.
[00:08:00] So, uh yeah, I want to talk about
[00:08:02] Charlie's relationship with with Jesus.
[00:08:05] And I'm amazed going I have a whole list
[00:08:07] of thoughts or sound bites here. I asked
[00:08:10] for Charlie talking about God in public
[00:08:13] and I'm just kind of amazed what came
[00:08:15] back. I mean there really is a deluge.
[00:08:17] >> Yeah, it was unbelievable because
[00:08:18] there's really no one in public life who
[00:08:23] talked about Jesus more than Charlie
[00:08:25] Kirk. And I'll just now I'm revealing
[00:08:27] one of my ugly biases, but some of the
[00:08:29] people whose job it is to talk about
[00:08:30] Jesus are not um you know, I don't think
[00:08:34] as credible and believable. I'm just
[00:08:35] being honest as I think Charlie was. He
[00:08:38] really meant it. He wasn't being paid to
[00:08:39] say it. I think everything that he did,
[00:08:42] everything that he thought, the way he
[00:08:44] lived were all informed by his love of
[00:08:47] Jesus. And I don't think I'm
[00:08:48] overstating, and I I said this to him
[00:08:50] recently when he was at my house in
[00:08:51] Maine. I really You remind me of Paul,
[00:08:54] like you never stop. I stop. I like to I
[00:08:57] like to go fishing. I like to go bird
[00:08:59] hunting. Like to hang out on Saturday
[00:09:01] morning in bed with my wife and like,
[00:09:04] you know, BS with my wife and all that
[00:09:05] stuff. But Charlie just did not allow
[00:09:07] himself any of that. He was so driven
[00:09:11] and you can see it now maybe as part of
[00:09:13] a larger plan where he never wasted a
[00:09:14] minute. He he forced himself to get on
[00:09:17] the airplane and to do things that were
[00:09:19] really really hard in a way that I've
[00:09:20] never done. I'll just admit it. Um, and
[00:09:23] I think that was because he felt God had
[00:09:26] a plan for him, that he was on a
[00:09:28] mission. It wasn't just about getting
[00:09:29] somebody elected. It was about something
[00:09:31] bigger than that. Am I Well, just ask
[00:09:34] you first, Andrew, and then Blake. Do
[00:09:36] you think that's I'm reading too much
[00:09:37] into it, or do you think that's right?
[00:09:38] >> No, I I totally agree. And I've had I've
[00:09:43] had wave after wave of revelation of
[00:09:45] what we were actually doing. You know, I
[00:09:47] was so in the weeds, we were so in the
[00:09:49] weeds that
[00:09:50] >> it was impossible to fully understand
[00:09:52] even what we were doing. But I, you
[00:09:54] know, I'm I and and I I Charlie and I
[00:09:57] bonded at the very earliest days because
[00:09:59] we were both like really strong
[00:10:02] Christians and that was such a central
[00:10:03] part of who we were. But we didn't
[00:10:06] >> we, you know, we didn't talk about it
[00:10:07] all the time necessarily publicly, but
[00:10:08] as the years went on,
[00:10:10] >> we both knew that we had each other in
[00:10:12] that way.
[00:10:13] And I've tweet there's two tweets that I
[00:10:16] I've posted. I have realized in the days
[00:10:19] hence that
[00:10:21] he was a prophet, not a fortune teller
[00:10:24] like people think of prophecy. He was
[00:10:26] like a biblical prophet that would go
[00:10:28] into a nation and call it to repent.
[00:10:29] That's what he was doing. He was going
[00:10:31] to these campuses and he was going on
[00:10:32] stage and he was going on this show and
[00:10:34] the podcast and he was calling a nation
[00:10:36] to repent. He went to London and he
[00:10:39] called England to repent at Cambridge
[00:10:41] and Oxford and they they hurled insults
[00:10:44] at him. They mocked him. They jered him
[00:10:45] just like the biblical prophets. They
[00:10:47] wanted to stone him and ultimately they
[00:10:49] killed him. And that is what Jesus said.
[00:10:50] He said, "What did they do to the
[00:10:51] prophets? They killed him." And now the
[00:10:53] other revelation,
[00:10:55] >> you're making me emotional again because
[00:10:57] I know that what you're saying is true.
[00:10:59] >> And the other revelation is specifically
[00:11:01] about these campus. We called them
[00:11:02] campus tours. They were tent revivals.
[00:11:05] >> Yes. complete with the tent. Tucker,
[00:11:08] that's so I don't know why I didn't
[00:11:10] really see it.
[00:11:11] >> I didn't either as it was.
[00:11:12] >> You say that and I just like to envision
[00:11:14] like George Whitfield like being, you
[00:11:16] know, it's just like Jesus was sent as a
[00:11:18] savior and must be accepted to be saved.
[00:11:21] Prove me wrong.
[00:11:23] >> I know. But it's so clear to me now.
[00:11:26] >> It's so clear to me.
[00:11:27] >> And me, too. I don't know. It's Yeah. I
[00:11:29] don't know how I missed that. I don't
[00:11:31] know why I thought it was like political
[00:11:34] organizing or something which I on one
[00:11:36] level it was but it that's not well you
[00:11:38] guys were there all the whole time. I
[00:11:40] mean it was more than that. It
[00:11:42] >> it was it was and it really knowing him
[00:11:46] over the past almost 3 years. That was
[00:11:49] what I would always tell people who
[00:11:50] would ask about Charlie. And it's it's
[00:11:53] so funny where like they'd always just
[00:11:54] open like is Charlie smart? And I'd be
[00:11:56] like yes. But that that's kind of
[00:11:57] besides the point. Like the amazing
[00:11:59] thing with him is not his IQ or like how
[00:12:02] much how many like facts he can know or
[00:12:04] something. What was amazing with him was
[00:12:07] his drive. The way I would say it was
[00:12:09] like he was the highest agency person I
[00:12:11] had ever met in my life. He thought if
[00:12:13] there is something I don't like I have
[00:12:15] the power as an individual to change the
[00:12:18] world about that
[00:12:19] >> or at least if I don't take action I
[00:12:22] have no excuse to complain about it. And
[00:12:24] he brought that to politics and
[00:12:26] organization of course, but he
[00:12:27] especially brought it to the faith
[00:12:29] question and he always always wanted to
[00:12:32] talk about it. Uh he loved talking about
[00:12:33] it in private. He loved talking about it
[00:12:35] in places where it was you you know
[00:12:39] arguably pointless. Uh the last speech
[00:12:41] he kind of gave in public was we were in
[00:12:44] Japan and Japan is 1% Christian maybe.
[00:12:48] Uh we were speaking to a party there
[00:12:51] that's you know you know we're aligned
[00:12:53] with them because they're
[00:12:54] anti-immigration. They don't like
[00:12:55] globalism. You know we have we were
[00:12:57] talking to them about all that stuff. He
[00:12:58] was like yo you should increase your
[00:12:59] birth rate. Don't rely on immigrants and
[00:13:01] all that.
[00:13:01] >> But Japan is famously resistant to
[00:13:03] Christianity.
[00:13:03] >> Yes. Yes. But and I told him about that
[00:13:06] and but you know in Korea we talked
[00:13:09] about Christianity and there it was a
[00:13:10] Christian audience mostly. But he said,
[00:13:12] he's like, you know, is there somewhere
[00:13:14] I can work in the faith angle to this?
[00:13:16] Because, you know, we're supposed to
[00:13:18] preach it everywhere everywhere we go.
[00:13:20] And so we talked about that. You know,
[00:13:21] what what could we do? And we found a
[00:13:23] spot late in the speech. And the very
[00:13:26] end of his speech, he was saying, "Look
[00:13:28] guys, I want you to save your country,
[00:13:29] but in the end, you're going to have to
[00:13:31] believe in something transcendent for
[00:13:33] that to work. It's not just going to
[00:13:35] work on pragmatic grounds." and for me.
[00:13:37] And then he just, you know, for me it's
[00:13:39] because of my belief in the Almighty, my
[00:13:42] belief in Jesus Christ. And you're going
[00:13:45] to need to have something like that to
[00:13:48] to be able to win. And you know, I think
[00:13:50] two people in the audience started
[00:13:51] clapping really really energetically and
[00:13:53] the rest kind of sat there very politely
[00:13:55] as a couple people. Oh, the Japanese are
[00:13:58] wonderful people. But but you're right,
[00:14:00] they're not open to that. But there were
[00:14:02] two who were.
[00:14:03] >> Yeah. And maybe they were believers. I'm
[00:14:05] not sure. But uh you know I'm I'm very
[00:14:08] glad he got to do that. And then
[00:14:09] >> in Korea though um a totally different
[00:14:13] story.
[00:14:13] >> Very different story.
[00:14:14] >> We have this clip. Why don't we just
[00:14:16] play it if it's okay?
[00:14:17] Oh my gosh. 18
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[00:14:53] All right.
[00:14:53] >> That that was 11 days ago, Tucker. And
[00:14:56] he's on stage
[00:14:58] >> and in English they asked him to come
[00:15:01] forward and pray and sing over Charlie.
[00:15:02] And they put their hands up and they
[00:15:04] started in English saying, "How great is
[00:15:06] our God. Sing with me. How great is our
[00:15:09] God." And Charlie put his hand on his
[00:15:10] heart. And Mikey said when he got off
[00:15:12] stage like he could see his eyes were
[00:15:14] misty. It meant so much to him. This is
[00:15:16] the moment where I have to step in and
[00:15:17] say we have a quick radio break. We'll
[00:15:19] be right back with more of Tucker
[00:15:22] Carlson.
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[00:15:40] church. And Melbourne's one of the
[00:15:42] darkest cities really in the world.
[00:15:44] >> There are good things about Melbourne,
[00:15:45] but basically it's it's in enemy hands.
[00:15:47] And boy, do you feel it when you're
[00:15:48] there. And I was like, I got to go to
[00:15:49] church. So I go, of course, to the
[00:15:51] Anglican church, which is my
[00:15:52] denomination. It's now a museum filled
[00:15:54] with Chinese tourists. I was like, "Oh,
[00:15:56] this is the worst. I'm feeling
[00:15:58] despondent." I go next door to the
[00:15:59] Scottish church, the Presbyterian
[00:16:01] church. Beautiful, beautiful church,
[00:16:04] like in beyond. And there's no one in it
[00:16:06] except at the front. And it's like a
[00:16:08] hundred yards away. It felt like there's
[00:16:10] this little group of people singing and
[00:16:12] it's Koreans
[00:16:13] >> and this Korean congregation of like
[00:16:15] nine people has taken over the church,
[00:16:17] rented it on Sundays cuz of course no
[00:16:19] whites are going to church of course.
[00:16:21] >> And I just thought to myself, this was
[00:16:23] God's way of reassuring me that even
[00:16:26] though the world that I grew up in is
[00:16:27] gone and totally, you know, everyone's
[00:16:30] fallen away and and it hasn't worked at
[00:16:32] all. um that that Jesus still lives and
[00:16:35] but you know his name is spoken in other
[00:16:37] languages
[00:16:38] >> and one of those is Korean and there's
[00:16:40] something there's something about
[00:16:41] watching Koreans worship that just oh
[00:16:44] it's my favorite thing ever.
[00:16:45] >> I I totally agree they are absolute
[00:16:47] prayer warriors but I just believe this
[00:16:49] Tucker and I have to say this like in
[00:16:51] this moment I believe God is unleashing
[00:16:53] a a new revival
[00:16:54] >> yes
[00:16:55] >> on this country and Charlie is a the the
[00:16:58] the spark that is igniting it.
[00:17:00] completely agree.
[00:17:00] >> And I don't even want to say it's his
[00:17:02] his death. It's his the start of his
[00:17:04] eternal life and his eternal glory, his
[00:17:07] immortality. And I believe that he is
[00:17:09] seated with God in heaven. And he's
[00:17:12] seated in glory. And I believe that
[00:17:15] there's a reason that Charlie and Erica
[00:17:17] would look at each other and say, you
[00:17:18] know, our mission is to make heaven
[00:17:20] crowded. And
[00:17:23] and I believe that that is actually the
[00:17:26] real mission. And that is actually going
[00:17:28] to be happening right now. It's
[00:17:29] happening in our midst right now and
[00:17:31] it's hap it's sweeping the country and
[00:17:33] there was there was a story I just heard
[00:17:35] on the drive here this morning that they
[00:17:36] ran out of uh baptism space. They just
[00:17:39] kind of did an impromptu baptism spaces
[00:17:41] one of my friends churches and so they
[00:17:42] went out in the parking lot start
[00:17:44] dunking people in the fountain.
[00:17:46] Hundreds of them. Protestants are fun. I
[00:17:48] just I just love that if I can just say
[00:17:51] a word. I mean I don't get involved in
[00:17:53] the Protestant Catholic Orthodox thing
[00:17:55] because I'm just for Jesus. But if I
[00:17:57] could just stick up just for one second
[00:17:59] for my people. Protestants were real
[00:18:02] once. Like they built this country. They
[00:18:03] did. I'm sorry. It's just a it's a it's
[00:18:05] a fact. And they really believed in God
[00:18:08] and they, you know, they were on the
[00:18:10] right path. They were amazing people.
[00:18:11] And I I'm very aware that they've
[00:18:13] declined to the point where I make fun
[00:18:15] of them constantly, but there was
[00:18:17] something very, very real there. Very
[00:18:19] real. You know, sorry.
[00:18:21] >> Well, the circuit writers in the
[00:18:22] >> I feel like I have to say that.
[00:18:23] >> No, no, no. I mean, listen and there as
[00:18:26] I I'm somebody both Erica and I were
[00:18:28] cradle Catholics, right? We were did the
[00:18:31] first communion and we did the catechism
[00:18:33] and the you know the uh anyways I went
[00:18:35] to Catholic high school even um you did
[00:18:37] you go to Catholic high school?
[00:18:38] >> No, long story long story.
[00:18:40] >> I'll let you chime in if you want. My
[00:18:43] parents moved me to public schools.
[00:18:44] >> I I ended up getting saved in college.
[00:18:48] >> Very very very non non-denominational
[00:18:50] evangelical way to phrase it. I got
[00:18:51] saved in college. radically saved. Um,
[00:18:54] so I had this Catholic background, but
[00:18:56] then I found myself in a
[00:18:57] non-denominational setting alone at a
[00:18:59] school in Seattle,
[00:19:02] >> like the second least church city in the
[00:19:04] country,
[00:19:04] >> and I ended up getting radically saved.
[00:19:07] And so, but I've never cared about the
[00:19:09] distinctions. I love both.
[00:19:11] >> Yeah, I agree.
[00:19:12] >> You know, I might have petty minor
[00:19:14] little theological differences.
[00:19:15] >> Yes.
[00:19:16] >> Doesn't matter. I love them both. I
[00:19:17] don't I can't because of my path here, I
[00:19:20] never cared. Anyone who focuses on Jesus
[00:19:23] is my brother. That's how I feel. And I
[00:19:26] I agree with you 100%. And if you let
[00:19:28] your It's a little bit like Twitter
[00:19:30] actually. If you if you think about it
[00:19:32] too much, you end up hating everybody
[00:19:34] and you miss the commonality between
[00:19:37] people and the commonality between
[00:19:38] Christians is Jesus. Period. And if you
[00:19:41] think about, well, I'm mad about
[00:19:43] transubstantiation or like the last pope
[00:19:45] was horrible, which he was. Um
[00:19:48] >> I'm so sad we didn't get to just have
[00:19:49] that full debate. We we wanted to have
[00:19:51] just a straight like just for fun like
[00:19:53] let's debate Mary.
[00:19:54] >> No, I'm not doing that.
[00:19:56] >> Let's do it next.
[00:19:58] >> But we wanted to do it with Charlie and
[00:20:00] now we can't.
[00:20:00] >> I'm not doing that. And that one of the
[00:20:02] the things I hope you guys live to your
[00:20:05] 50s because and I and I'm and I'm sure
[00:20:07] you will, but because when you get
[00:20:09] there, you're like, "Wow, I've been
[00:20:10] wrong about so much." And you think that
[00:20:12] middle-aged people are wishy-washy. And
[00:20:14] low testosterone does account for some
[00:20:15] of that. Just a fact. But part of it is
[00:20:17] just the recognition of how wrong you've
[00:20:20] been.
[00:20:21] >> And that is the Christian. Forgive us
[00:20:23] our sins as we forgive those who sin
[00:20:26] against us. It's like first you meditate
[00:20:28] on how fallen you are. And then you
[00:20:31] realize you don't have a basis upon
[00:20:32] which to judge other people actually.
[00:20:34] And you can forgive them. And that is
[00:20:36] the process that's prescribed in the
[00:20:37] Lord's Prayer. Of course, it's a center
[00:20:39] of Christianity, but it's also just like
[00:20:40] a human process. And you get there and
[00:20:42] you realize like, yeah, I'm mad about
[00:20:44] Mary. That's a fact. Okay. But then I
[00:20:46] get older and my wife's like, "Oh, I was
[00:20:48] just saying the rosary, my very
[00:20:49] Protestant wife, and I love it. It
[00:20:51] brings me closer to Jesus." And I'm
[00:20:52] like, "I'm not judging anymore.
[00:20:54] We'll uh welcome radio back in just one
[00:20:56] second.
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[00:21:07] you just welcome back to the Charlie
[00:21:09] Kirk show and we are honored by the
[00:21:11] great, the legendary and I really want
[00:21:13] people to understand Tucker, you and
[00:21:15] Charlie had such a unique and special
[00:21:18] bond and relationship. It was it was a
[00:21:20] deep friendship and you both
[00:21:22] >> uh had each other's back in an
[00:21:24] incredible back.
[00:21:25] >> You had his back, too. I know those
[00:21:27] stories as well.
[00:21:28] >> Yeah. And I promised I wouldn't get into
[00:21:29] any of that. But I will say, and I'm not
[00:21:31] going to, but I will say because I want
[00:21:33] this to be about Jesus and his love for
[00:21:36] Jesus and what he did to spread the word
[00:21:38] of Jesus throughout the world. But I
[00:21:40] will just say this that whenever I would
[00:21:42] come and do a gig for you guys, which
[00:21:44] was a lot cuz I really enjoyed it and he
[00:21:46] was so kind to invite me and defend my
[00:21:48] being there. But I would always, he's
[00:21:50] the only person I did this with. I would
[00:21:52] always say, "Hey, you know, let's like
[00:21:53] meet in my hotel room or have a meal."
[00:21:56] Like I I loved talking to him and it
[00:22:00] wasn't just to catch up on everything
[00:22:01] that's going on in the political world.
[00:22:03] He would always bring it back to God
[00:22:05] every single time and it was so there's
[00:22:07] no one around like so he didn't need to
[00:22:09] be like oh yeah I really love God. It
[00:22:11] was like just us and he'd be talking
[00:22:13] about that
[00:22:13] >> and you would come to Phoenix and you
[00:22:15] would reach out to I it was like I have
[00:22:17] so many memories of Charlie being like I
[00:22:19] can't I got to do dinner. Who are you
[00:22:20] doing dinner with? Oh Tucker's in town.
[00:22:21] I got to meet up with him. always,
[00:22:23] always. And he was so intellectually
[00:22:25] curious and flexible. And I think that
[00:22:28] also grew out of his Christian faith.
[00:22:30] And I know that as I've gotten older,
[00:22:31] it's been one of the things I appreciate
[00:22:33] most about believing in God is like you
[00:22:35] can admit when you were wrong. You can
[00:22:37] change your views. Paul, who created a
[00:22:40] lot of the early church, was the chief
[00:22:42] persecutor of Christians. He was a
[00:22:43] freaking Pharisee. So like in our
[00:22:46] religion at its core is the fact that
[00:22:48] God can change people. And so you don't
[00:22:50] need to be brittle and afraid about
[00:22:52] admitting that yeah I was totally off
[00:22:54] base and Charlie was so much like that.
[00:22:57] He was constantly thinking about is this
[00:22:58] the right thing? Is that the right
[00:22:59] thing? Like there's no one in public
[00:23:01] life who does that. It
[00:23:02] >> it's so easy for like relig you know for
[00:23:04] sometimes people use religion as an
[00:23:06] excuse for megalomania. Yes.
[00:23:08] >> And Charlie was so humble. Genuinely
[00:23:10] humble. We would we would have these
[00:23:12] moments. Thank you for saying and on
[00:23:13] this note we would have these moments
[00:23:14] and I'd be like can you freaking believe
[00:23:16] what's going on? You're on South Park or
[00:23:18] whatever. And and he would say he would
[00:23:20] say stay humble. Stay close to Jesus.
[00:23:22] That would be the type. We need to stay
[00:23:24] humble. We need to stay close to Jesus.
[00:23:25] >> Really?
[00:23:26] >> Yes.
[00:23:27] >> This is in his private text to people he
[00:23:29] works with.
[00:23:29] >> I have a story like this too and I'm I'm
[00:23:32] ashamed that I am the villain in this
[00:23:34] story. Basically, it was two weeks
[00:23:36] before he died
[00:23:37] >> and I'll never forget it.
[00:23:40] >> I there was just some annoyance that
[00:23:42] was, you know, in our way and we we we
[00:23:44] needed to deal with something. I can't
[00:23:46] even remember it was. And I just
[00:23:47] remember going, "Hey, you know, we could
[00:23:50] just tell them XYZ in translation. We
[00:23:52] could just, you know, little white lie
[00:23:54] and it'll go away. They'll understand."
[00:23:56] And I remember seeing the like the dots
[00:23:58] he was typing right away. Right away, we
[00:24:02] don't lie.
[00:24:05] >> It was a private message with me. I love
[00:24:07] that. And And it wasn't you don't lie.
[00:24:09] It's not I don't lie. It was Andrew.
[00:24:12] We we here on this show and this turn in
[00:24:16] turning point. We don't lie.
[00:24:18] >> Well, and not only don't lie, I mean I
[00:24:20] without even getting into it, but like
[00:24:22] if you run a huge nonprofit and DC is
[00:24:24] all about huge nonprofits. I know
[00:24:25] everyone who runs them, boy, there are
[00:24:27] temptations and there was never any of
[00:24:30] that here ever. And we Tro and I talked
[00:24:33] about that a lot. Like here are the
[00:24:34] pitfalls in a man's life. Here here's
[00:24:36] how people get ins snared. It happened
[00:24:38] to David. I mean, we know this is a
[00:24:40] thing.
[00:24:41] He was so,
[00:24:44] and again, I just had this conversation
[00:24:46] with him right before he died because
[00:24:47] I'm very focused on because I've seen so
[00:24:48] many people destroyed destroy themselves
[00:24:51] and it's clearly like Satan acting on
[00:24:53] them. Fact. Sorry. And he was like he
[00:24:57] was a narrow path walker in I just have
[00:24:59] to say that because most aren't sure.
[00:25:02] >> He would run home to be with Erica. If
[00:25:04] he couldn't Yes.
[00:25:04] >> If he if Erica was on the road, he'd be
[00:25:06] like, "Are we done here?" Okay. like a
[00:25:08] donor dinner or something. He would, you
[00:25:09] know, he at after our events at night,
[00:25:12] he would do kind of like a little
[00:25:13] circuit to all the dinners and he
[00:25:14] couldn't wait. He's like, "Okay." And
[00:25:15] I'd be like, "I got to talk to you about
[00:25:17] one one other thing, Charlie. Hold on
[00:25:18] one second. One second." He's like,
[00:25:19] "Sorry, I'll talk to you about it in the
[00:25:20] morning. I got to see Erica. Bye."
[00:25:22] >> I It was just That is the key.
[00:25:24] >> I love to tell people this because some
[00:25:25] sometimes people who didn't watch
[00:25:28] Charlie a lot would sometimes just
[00:25:29] think, "Oh, he's like a young
[00:25:30] influencer." So people would ask me,
[00:25:32] they'd be like, "Blake, do you ever hang
[00:25:34] out with Charlie?" And what I'd always
[00:25:35] say is I don't think Charlie has ever
[00:25:37] hung out in his entire life. Uh he was
[00:25:40] always on his mission or you know he was
[00:25:42] with you know he was with his family. It
[00:25:44] was 100% all the time.
[00:25:46] >> That being said some of the best
[00:25:47] memories that I have are the plane
[00:25:50] flights across country.
[00:25:52] >> Yeah.
[00:25:52] >> Because
[00:25:53] >> and that's the only time he can hang
[00:25:54] out.
[00:25:55] >> It was amazing.
[00:25:55] >> Trapped in a tube. And by the way, when
[00:25:58] and and I think that gave him the
[00:25:59] freedom to kind of just go, h I'm
[00:26:02] hanging out. And
[00:26:05] I mean, if you had to add him up, I've
[00:26:06] got hundreds of these hours and they are
[00:26:08] some of the most amazing cuz he was so
[00:26:10] funny and so so curious and so
[00:26:16] so he did, but it was like you had to
[00:26:17] get him in this this mode where you
[00:26:19] literally trapped him on a plane and he
[00:26:20] couldn't get out and he was stuck there.
[00:26:22] >> But what is that? I mean, most people
[00:26:24] sort of fritter away their entire lives
[00:26:26] hanging out, and I'm I'm definitely one
[00:26:28] of them. I'm like an Arab man in the
[00:26:29] souk. I like to sit around
[00:26:31] >> hitting the water pipe, playing back
[00:26:33] gamon, drinking little cups of coffee,
[00:26:34] talking about women. Like, I've spent a
[00:26:36] lot of my life doing that. That's why I
[00:26:37] love Trump so much. He likes that, too.
[00:26:39] But
[00:26:40] >> Charlie had like this mission all the
[00:26:43] time.
[00:26:43] >> I have a theory on it, but we have to we
[00:26:45] have to do another break. What? Yeah,
[00:26:46] we'll keep going. Don't worry. Crazy. U
[00:26:49] We'll be right back. Don't go anywhere.
[00:26:50] 10 seconds.
[00:26:52] [Music]
[00:27:03] All right. Uh, welcome back. We continue
[00:27:05] on here. Um, so my theory on that,
[00:27:08] Tucker, is I think in order for this
[00:27:11] whole God plan to work in Charlie's
[00:27:13] life, he had to like he had to impress
[00:27:16] in him almost subconsciously or hardwire
[00:27:19] it, whatever it was, he was going to
[00:27:22] maximize the juice, the the the output.
[00:27:25] And Charlie disciplined his body. He
[00:27:27] didn't put alcohol into his body. He
[00:27:29] didn't put drugs into his body. He
[00:27:31] didn't put anything into his body that
[00:27:33] he thought was going to slow him down or
[00:27:35] reduce his productivity. He was obsessed
[00:27:38] with biohacking. He was like and and all
[00:27:40] I thought it was just this weird quirk
[00:27:42] because I'm thinking Charlie, you're
[00:27:44] going to be alive cuz you're younger
[00:27:45] than me. You're going to be li alive
[00:27:46] when I'm gone. Like chill out, relax,
[00:27:49] have some fun. But but somehow
[00:27:53] >> he knew there wasn't a moment to waste.
[00:27:54] And I'm finding these things, Ducker,
[00:27:56] that he found time to do. Erica's
[00:27:59] telling me he somehow found time to
[00:28:01] journal obsessively
[00:28:04] >> and she never left every single week.
[00:28:06] >> Wrote her a weekly note on Saturday.
[00:28:08] Every every Saturday I he read books. He
[00:28:11] skimmed books. He got Blake to read
[00:28:12] them. He found ways to get the team to
[00:28:14] distill information so he could absorb
[00:28:16] it. And he but he would do walks with
[00:28:19] books on tape. He he managed to squeeze
[00:28:22] so much life into such a short period of
[00:28:26] time. And it's I have to believe it was
[00:28:29] God impressing and blessing him with
[00:28:32] this divine ability to maximize his
[00:28:36] output. I I love that. And I had many
[00:28:40] conversations with him on this topic
[00:28:42] also about like physical health. I'm a
[00:28:45] pizza guy so Okay. Yeah. Physical
[00:28:47] health. I I quit smoking cigarettes at
[00:28:49] 45. Like I feel very virtuous.
[00:28:50] >> It turns out you say he didn't want to
[00:28:52] put anything in his body that would
[00:28:53] hinder him. And it turns out the list of
[00:28:54] things that hinder you is all foods
[00:28:56] except like cabbage, grilled chicken,
[00:28:58] hot sauce.
[00:28:59] >> But that's basically what I mean he was
[00:29:01] the fittest guy, but it was for a
[00:29:03] reason.
[00:29:04] >> How much time do we have in this segment
[00:29:06] left?
[00:29:06] >> Uh we're going to welcome back radio in
[00:29:08] 3 minutes and 20 seconds. Then we have a
[00:29:10] nice 13 minutes.
[00:29:11] >> Okay. So I want to um when we get to the
[00:29:13] 13, I want to tell the Blake story.
[00:29:15] Blake Nef who's sitting right there
[00:29:17] story.
[00:29:17] >> And it's it's just a story that just
[00:29:19] explains who he really was. And there's
[00:29:23] so much that goes on in Washington and
[00:29:25] political world that's so treacherous
[00:29:27] and cruel and antihuman. Um, and Charlie
[00:29:31] just stood against all of that, not
[00:29:32] simply in public, but in private. And I
[00:29:35] had a window into one of the amazing
[00:29:37] stories of bravery and forgiveness. It's
[00:29:40] just an incredible story and it and it's
[00:29:42] about you. Again, it makes me emotional
[00:29:44] thinking about, but anyway, I don't
[00:29:45] think it's ever really been told. Sorry
[00:29:47] to make you emotional. It's an amazing
[00:29:49] story.
[00:29:50] What I love about this Blake story, too,
[00:29:52] because I and I I don't want to I'm not
[00:29:55] going to ruin the punchline here, but I
[00:29:56] would just say I
[00:30:00] >> one of the strongest testaments to
[00:30:02] Charlie is the fact that this guy's a
[00:30:04] tough judge
[00:30:06] >> and I know when he
[00:30:08] >> Oh, I know. He worked for me.
[00:30:09] >> And when he first started working with
[00:30:11] us, I could tell that he was a little
[00:30:13] unsure. You know, you probably had the
[00:30:14] questions. You're back. Charlie spoke
[00:30:16] the language of the people. And you're a
[00:30:17] Dartmouth kid. that's a total egg
[00:30:19] egghehead nerd, you know, like beautiful
[00:30:22] mind kind of person. And but Charlie
[00:30:25] would cut through all that and he would
[00:30:27] speak right to the people and cut
[00:30:28] people's hearts in two and make them
[00:30:29] choose the side they were going to go go
[00:30:31] on. And that was not the language of
[00:30:33] Blake Nef, but we needed a Blake Nef.
[00:30:35] And I knew we needed a Blake Nef. And I
[00:30:38] just there was this moment where
[00:30:41] I forget why but you you took this
[00:30:44] moment and I remember being really
[00:30:46] touched by it and you paid Charlie a
[00:30:48] tremendous compliment and I knew it was
[00:30:50] like a two years after the fact and it
[00:30:52] and it was I Charlie texted me like
[00:30:55] directly. He goes, "Whoa, did you hear
[00:30:57] did you hear Blake?" Like cuz it really
[00:30:59] meant the world to him that he had won
[00:31:01] he had won your respect and it really
[00:31:03] meant the world to him.
[00:31:04] >> Yeah. South Dakota Germans aren't big on
[00:31:06] compliments, but I do think the So you
[00:31:08] if you get one from Blake, it's earned.
[00:31:10] I do think the question that people had
[00:31:12] about Charlie, the question I got most
[00:31:13] often, and people came to me a lot about
[00:31:16] Charlie, like, what is this cuz they
[00:31:18] knew that I knew him and that I was
[00:31:19] friends with him. But really, the core
[00:31:20] question everyone wanted answered was,
[00:31:22] "Is this guy for real? Is this real?"
[00:31:25] >> Because like nothing in our world's
[00:31:26] real. It's all fake, actually. And I
[00:31:28] hate to say it, but it's true. A lot of
[00:31:29] preachers are very fake. And and I would
[00:31:32] always say, "Amazingly, it's 100% real.
[00:31:35] It's totally real." And I remember
[00:31:37] talking to you you about that. I mean,
[00:31:38] everyone like, "What is this exactly?"
[00:31:41] And you concluded early. I remember when
[00:31:43] you told me, "No, no, it's totally real.
[00:31:46] That's incredible." You really have to
[00:31:48] have lived in our world for a while to
[00:31:50] know how wild that is. Cuz most people
[00:31:53] are just like, "Yeah, of course it's
[00:31:53] real." Not in political world. Is that
[00:31:56] fair?
[00:31:57] >> Very fair. Very fair. And he's like the
[00:32:00] realest guy to ever live practically.
[00:32:03] >> I know.
[00:32:04] >> I know. Oh, it makes me sad he's gone. I
[00:32:07] wish I I wish I had said this in public
[00:32:09] before he left because um I said it many
[00:32:12] times in private. I will say that to
[00:32:14] many people. Who is this guy? Is this
[00:32:16] real? Like what is this? And I would
[00:32:17] always say, "Man, if you had dinner with
[00:32:19] him, you would know it's real."
[00:32:21] >> We'll uh welcome radio back in just a
[00:32:23] second. This is where we'll tell the
[00:32:25] Blake Ne story. All right, we'll be
[00:32:27] right back.
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[00:32:42] >> All right, welcome back to the Charlie
[00:32:44] Kirk show. This is really the Tucker day
[00:32:46] and I I uh I feel awkward even taking us
[00:32:49] in and out of breaks, but Tucker,
[00:32:51] >> I don't want to do it.
[00:32:51] >> I don't I'm doing this out of service
[00:32:54] for my to my nation and to my friend
[00:32:55] Tucker. Um, so yeah, the floor is yours
[00:32:58] though. I know where you're going, but
[00:32:59] >> Oh, this is a Blake Nef story. Okay, so
[00:33:00] this is a story that um, obviously I was
[00:33:02] in the middle of it and I've talked to a
[00:33:04] lot of people just this week about it. I
[00:33:06] don't think it's ever been told in
[00:33:07] public. I'm going to give the outline
[00:33:08] and then just turn it over to Blake to
[00:33:09] correct me or and to fill in the
[00:33:11] details. But here's the story. So Blake
[00:33:13] worked for me at Fox News uh, for years,
[00:33:17] probably more closely than anybody, like
[00:33:19] intimately at Fox. And um, and I love
[00:33:22] Blake. And Blake is obviously an unusual
[00:33:25] person, but just a wonderful person and
[00:33:27] a really deeply decent person.
[00:33:29] >> I mean, it's true.
[00:33:29] >> And obvious Yeah, Blake's weird, but
[00:33:31] like Blake is the best. And people who
[00:33:34] love Blake really love Blake. And
[00:33:35] there's a little group of people who,
[00:33:36] you know, we all know each other. We all
[00:33:38] talk about Blake.
[00:33:39] >> So Blake got caught up right at the
[00:33:40] height of all this insanity, true
[00:33:43] insanity, called cancel culture. But it
[00:33:45] was more than that. It was like French
[00:33:46] Revolution stuff.
[00:33:48] >> And someone like, you know, Blake is
[00:33:50] naughty. Blake is a racist. Well,
[00:33:52] actually, as I would always say, Blake
[00:33:53] is actually not a racist. And I would
[00:33:55] admit it. He's not. He's a Christian who
[00:33:57] believes that God created everybody, so
[00:33:58] he's actually not a racist. But Fox
[00:34:01] overreacted, of course, and he left. And
[00:34:04] then Fox denounced him. They tried to
[00:34:05] get me to denounce him. Suzanne Scott
[00:34:07] tried to make me denounce Blake, and I
[00:34:10] refused.
[00:34:12] Something I'm proud of, but whatever. It
[00:34:13] was, it was just awful. It was the
[00:34:15] saddest moment in the 15 years that I
[00:34:16] spent there. And then Blake's unemployed
[00:34:19] and unemployable.
[00:34:20] And I get this and I feel terrible and I
[00:34:23] feel like I've got a moral obligation to
[00:34:24] help Blake and but who's going to hire
[00:34:26] Blake? Because he's like in the New York
[00:34:27] Times he's like a bad person when
[00:34:29] actually he's a great person. Charlie
[00:34:31] Kirk calls me. He's like I'm thinking
[00:34:32] about hiring Blake. I was like God bless
[00:34:34] you Charlie. What's he like? I said well
[00:34:36] Blake's very eccentric. Like no kidding.
[00:34:38] He's the only person who ever lost
[00:34:39] weight eating junk food. Like he's a
[00:34:41] really unusual person. Like we talk
[00:34:42] about Blake all day long. But he's a
[00:34:44] wonderful person and he's incredibly
[00:34:47] talented. No one disputes that and I
[00:34:48] think you should do it. He does. Charlie
[00:34:51] and I talk about then Blake and I talk.
[00:34:52] We're having these like conversations
[00:34:53] behind the scenes about each other. And
[00:34:56] not only does Charlie hire Blake, he
[00:34:59] puts us makes me emotional. He puts
[00:35:00] Blake on the air as if to say, "I know
[00:35:03] this man. He is a good man. You will
[00:35:05] judge me for doing this. I'm doing it
[00:35:07] anyway because it's the right thing to
[00:35:08] do." And then of course it becomes this
[00:35:09] whole thing where Blake is like a true
[00:35:10] asset to him. But when he first did it,
[00:35:12] it was like, "No, I'm doing this because
[00:35:14] it's the right thing to do." This is the
[00:35:16] last thing I'll say before turning over
[00:35:17] to Blake. I've been in this business my
[00:35:19] whole life. Nobody does that. Nobody
[00:35:21] does that. Everyone's like, "Oh, I'm for
[00:35:23] free speech or whatever until it hurts
[00:35:24] me." At which point, like, "Sorry, pal.
[00:35:27] Good luck." But Charlie pivoted against
[00:35:30] that in a way that exposed him and his
[00:35:33] group turning point to ridicule and
[00:35:35] risk. And he did it anyway. And all week
[00:35:37] I've been talking to people about this.
[00:35:38] Like that was the acid test. Those of us
[00:35:40] in this business know how brave that
[00:35:42] was. It was the bravest thing. Anyway,
[00:35:44] >> sorry Blake. I I remember talking to you
[00:35:46] about that because I I actually was
[00:35:49] weighing another employment option and I
[00:35:51] was going you as you said I was like I I
[00:35:53] >> I think you maybe were behind that one
[00:35:55] too.
[00:35:55] >> Yeah. I was I was desperate and I
[00:35:58] remember just I I won't say what it was
[00:36:00] for but we were talking about it and I
[00:36:02] think the one that you really pointed
[00:36:05] out that was really important. And he's
[00:36:06] like, "Blake, I think the most important
[00:36:08] thing, like
[00:36:09] >> Charlie is a for real a sincere
[00:36:12] Christian. And I think you're going to
[00:36:13] want to work for someone who is a for
[00:36:16] real sincere deeply believing
[00:36:18] Christian."
[00:36:19] >> And you know, cuz then you'll disagree
[00:36:21] on a lot of things, but you will align
[00:36:23] on really important things.
[00:36:25] >> Yes.
[00:36:26] >> And I think that was what carried the
[00:36:28] day with me. And I'm very glad it did.
[00:36:32] Um,
[00:36:34] and you know, at at the time, as you
[00:36:36] said, there was like at the time I came
[00:36:37] in, it was he was just a very different
[00:36:39] person.
[00:36:40] >> Yes.
[00:36:40] >> And it was over time realizing
[00:36:43] all the ways that, as you say, he's
[00:36:45] like, you have to really see it. You're
[00:36:46] like, is this for real? You understand?
[00:36:49] What is is this going to work? You would
[00:36:50] also have that where you're like, this
[00:36:52] can't this can't possibly work, right?
[00:36:54] And it does. And it does because he's so
[00:36:58] completely intently sincere and fully
[00:37:02] all in on it. And I think that's what
[00:37:04] like amazed young people like you know
[00:37:06] when you go to these campus events and
[00:37:09] you know I think there's a lot of you
[00:37:11] know you'll see these people online who
[00:37:13] are like very like performatively trad
[00:37:15] or Christian or whatever because it like
[00:37:17] owns the libs or whatever. But Charlie
[00:37:19] is just like, "No, no. I I like 100%
[00:37:22] believe in this like because I believe
[00:37:24] it is true and because it is important
[00:37:25] and I want everyone else to believe in
[00:37:27] it because it is true and I think it is
[00:37:29] the most important decision they will
[00:37:30] ever make." And it
[00:37:31] >> would always shine through in what he
[00:37:34] was doing and how he behaved that he
[00:37:36] really believed that. And well, and I
[00:37:39] mean I think and you know this because
[00:37:42] you were at some of the campus stops. I
[00:37:44] was at some of the campus stops. 90% of
[00:37:47] the interactions as he got older, right?
[00:37:49] The the the the brand of Charlie was
[00:37:51] almost cemented, you know, in 2018 when
[00:37:55] he was much younger and he was like a
[00:37:57] peer to the kids on college and he would
[00:37:58] say Charlie Kirk destroys the libs or
[00:38:00] whatever.
[00:38:01] >> And that was just titling. It wasn't
[00:38:03] actually in Charlie's heart. But the
[00:38:05] Charlie, by the way, didn't determine
[00:38:07] the titles, you know, like people behind
[00:38:09] the scenes destroy anything. No, behind
[00:38:10] the scenes that's, you know, that's a
[00:38:12] social media team that's doing the
[00:38:14] titling. That wasn't Charlie picking the
[00:38:16] title, you know. Anyways, but the point
[00:38:17] is as he got older, he transitioned to a
[00:38:22] much more big brother and and people
[00:38:25] started observing like this incredible
[00:38:27] herculean patience that he would exhibit
[00:38:31] on these in these interactions with
[00:38:32] sometimes bad faith people, but
[00:38:34] sometimes people that just had bad
[00:38:36] ideas. And 90% if you went and sat there
[00:38:39] and watched the entire three-hour prove
[00:38:41] me wrong, 90% of it is him being kind
[00:38:44] and gentle and thoughtprovoking and
[00:38:47] working through whatever was the lie
[00:38:50] that was stuck in this kid's head or
[00:38:52] sometimes professors, but he would work
[00:38:55] with them through it and use the
[00:38:56] Socratic method to draw out the truth.
[00:38:59] And it was a beautiful thing. And you
[00:39:01] know, he doesn't get nearly enough
[00:39:03] credit for that because the Charlie
[00:39:04] destroys the libs clip goes mega viral,
[00:39:07] right? I I I couldn't agree with you
[00:39:09] more. I have to say when you when all
[00:39:12] that happened to you, it was I just
[00:39:15] cannot say how pain I well, you know,
[00:39:17] cuz we've talked about many times, but
[00:39:18] that was like one of the most painful
[00:39:19] things that's ever happened to me in my
[00:39:20] life. Uh because, you know, we have such
[00:39:22] a tight staff and um and the same staff
[00:39:25] like I don't have new people working for
[00:39:26] me really ever and I I don't care to.
[00:39:29] So, um, that was really, really painful.
[00:39:31] >> Oh, go ahead.
[00:39:32] >> And I just wanted you to have health
[00:39:34] insurance.
[00:39:36] My expectations for you were so low
[00:39:39] because you had been so mistreated and
[00:39:41] maligned and slandered and it's just so
[00:39:43] hard to come back from that. The fact
[00:39:45] that he put you on the air is so
[00:39:48] >> possibly a mistake.
[00:39:49] >> What? It was not a mistake, but it was
[00:39:51] that is so wild. So I I have an insight
[00:39:55] into that piece of the story because I
[00:39:56] was aware of this other job opportunity
[00:39:59] and I see it now all as like God's plan
[00:40:02] and I was working on kind of a panel
[00:40:04] show idea but I I didn't have the it was
[00:40:06] just like a nugget of an idea was back
[00:40:08] in my head and and I remember kind of
[00:40:11] just intuiting that in order to like
[00:40:15] restore this man that had been so
[00:40:17] wronged by Oliver Darcy or whatever in
[00:40:19] CNN these scumbags
[00:40:22] >> I Uh,
[00:40:24] you know,
[00:40:24] >> I need to forgive Oliver Darcy. Thank
[00:40:26] you for reminding me. As we forgive
[00:40:27] those who trespass against us, he needs
[00:40:29] to be my daily rotation. So, but you
[00:40:32] know, and by the way, I I saw I ended up
[00:40:35] in that moment in that when we were
[00:40:36] talking with Blake at the beginning. I
[00:40:38] looked back at your monologue from that
[00:40:40] night. Maybe it wasn't your monologue,
[00:40:41] maybe it was the finish final segment,
[00:40:43] but you said I you you really were
[00:40:45] defiant and it was beautifully done
[00:40:46] because you were back at you you they
[00:40:48] they you were part of something and only
[00:40:50] had so much control in at that moment,
[00:40:52] right? And so
[00:40:53] >> they were bullying me. Suzanne Scott got
[00:40:55] I was in the parking lot of a place in I
[00:40:57] was in Bosezeman, Montana fishing and
[00:40:59] she called me and I went outside to do
[00:41:01] my pre-show bathroom break. Always
[00:41:03] outside if I can do it. And she called
[00:41:05] me and she said, "You need to say what
[00:41:07] he said was wrong." And I said, "I'm not
[00:41:08] doing that. Period. and you can fire me
[00:41:10] and the show's live in 10 minutes. I'm
[00:41:12] not doing that." And she goes, "Well, I
[00:41:15] guess I can't make you." And she until
[00:41:17] the day she fired me, she never really
[00:41:19] talked to me after that.
[00:41:20] >> Yeah. I And I I'm not trying to get into
[00:41:23] any of that, but I do believe that
[00:41:25] >> Oh, I want to get into it. It was
[00:41:27] horrible what they did to him.
[00:41:28] >> I I'm just saying I will I don't know
[00:41:30] where to go with. I will say, Tucker,
[00:41:32] this is awkward for me. If you Sorry,
[00:41:34] sorry, sorry. No, sorry. Sorry, sorry.
[00:41:35] No, I would just say that I think this
[00:41:37] moment has profoundly changed all of us,
[00:41:40] including people like Suzanne. And uh I
[00:41:43] just want to say briefly, for what it's
[00:41:44] worth, she's been exceedingly wonderful.
[00:41:48] And we all changed and I've done crappy
[00:41:50] things, a lot of crappy things in my
[00:41:51] life. So I shouldn't be judgy,
[00:41:53] >> but but to your point, you your hands
[00:41:55] were tied in that moment. And you you
[00:41:56] defiantly said, I remember you said, I
[00:41:58] just want everybody to know that you are
[00:42:00] gloating over a young man's life being
[00:42:02] ruined. And shame on you. You basically
[00:42:05] you you I I I'll never forget that. And
[00:42:06] I remember thinking, okay, like if
[00:42:09] Tucker's got his back in this moment,
[00:42:10] this guy's pretty great.
[00:42:12] >> He's the best.
[00:42:12] >> Yeah. And he's been the best and I love
[00:42:14] having came out of nowhere, man. I'll
[00:42:16] never forget that. I'll never forget
[00:42:18] that as long as I live, but anyway, the
[00:42:20] point is whatever. And I shouldn't even
[00:42:21] brought him on air. Exactly.
[00:42:23] >> And and by the way, and now look at
[00:42:25] this. This show is going on. Erica Kirk
[00:42:27] has demanded that the show goes on and
[00:42:29] we're going to figure out the details
[00:42:31] and Blake is going to be critical to
[00:42:33] that. And if we hadn't have created this
[00:42:35] this roster, this thought crime crew
[00:42:37] that we do on Thursdays, I don't know
[00:42:39] what we would do. But it takes the
[00:42:40] bravery of an individual to get there.
[00:42:42] So like everything is fine now and Blake
[00:42:44] can do whatever he wants and people know
[00:42:46] who he is because they get to see him
[00:42:48] and they can make their own judgments
[00:42:49] about him. But when Charlie made that
[00:42:51] decision and he's the one who would have
[00:42:52] been blamed if it had gone wrong, people
[00:42:55] didn't know who Blake was apart from
[00:42:56] what they read in the New York Times.
[00:42:58] Slander devised by CNN and Oliver Darcy.
[00:43:01] That's a fact. and and not helped by a
[00:43:03] lot of other people who I shouldn't be
[00:43:04] attacking. You're right. Sorry about
[00:43:05] that. But he's the one who allowed
[00:43:09] Blake's life to continue. And I just I
[00:43:13] felt it so strong cuz I've been I that's
[00:43:15] my world. Like I know what that is. Most
[00:43:17] people are like, "Well, you know, you
[00:43:18] can't put him on air. Like he did bad
[00:43:20] things. I heard that." And it's and
[00:43:22] Charlie was like he was willing to stand
[00:43:24] up to them and say, "No, that's not
[00:43:25] true." Like most people are not going to
[00:43:27] do that. No one will do that. And um
[00:43:30] >> well, and I remember the nasty articles
[00:43:32] we there was a few
[00:43:34] >> and Charlie would just write back lol.
[00:43:37] >> So that's courage. In case you're
[00:43:39] wondering what courage is, that's actual
[00:43:41] courage. And you know that it is because
[00:43:43] it's so rare. Nobody does that. If if
[00:43:46] people do that, who are they? I I live
[00:43:48] in this world. Like I know every single
[00:43:49] person hosting every single show and
[00:43:51] they don't do that. And he did that. And
[00:43:53] so that's what actual courage is.
[00:43:55] Courage is standing up for what is true
[00:43:57] in the service of other people, in the
[00:43:59] service of showing love to other human
[00:44:01] beings. That's the commission that we
[00:44:03] get from Jesus. Period. And he actually
[00:44:06] did that at great risk to himself. And
[00:44:09] um anyway, just I've had like 50 text
[00:44:12] exchanges about this all week. Come up.
[00:44:14] Anyway, bless you, Blake, for being at
[00:44:16] the center of that. Thanks for standing
[00:44:18] with us.
[00:44:19] >> Thank you. Thank you very much.
[00:44:20] genuinely. Can I say something that you
[00:44:22] told me that the night of that blew my
[00:44:24] mind and it
[00:44:25] >> Go for it. Go for it.
[00:44:26] >> So, we're bringing Blake to the brink
[00:44:28] here. We were we were in Provo the night
[00:44:31] of
[00:44:34] >> and it was like we were all shell
[00:44:37] shocked and Blake was there with them
[00:44:39] when it happened and
[00:44:43] we filter in late at night into this
[00:44:46] little like corner of the restaurant,
[00:44:48] the hotel in Salt Lake City
[00:44:51] and
[00:44:53] we I don't know how it came up but Blake
[00:44:56] says the most I will never forget.
[00:44:58] Forget it. He said, "Charlie gave me my
[00:45:01] life back."
[00:45:02] >> Yep.
[00:45:03] >> And I
[00:45:05] I knew exactly what he meant. And now I
[00:45:08] think the audience does, too.
[00:45:09] >> Amen.
[00:45:11] >> And with that, we're going to give Blake
[00:45:13] a bail out. Get out of jail free. We're
[00:45:16] going to take a radio break.
[00:45:17] >> Cut to black.
[00:45:18] >> Yeah. We'll be right back.
[00:45:21] [Music]
[00:45:54] here are conservatives, so I don't know
[00:45:55] what.
[00:45:56] >> Fair enough. Again, emphasis on wealthy,
[00:45:58] successful business people. I'm sure
[00:46:00] there are some in the audience.
[00:46:01] >> So, you're calling all these people
[00:46:02] poor.
[00:46:02] >> Well, no, they I'm calling them
[00:46:03] students.
[00:46:05] >> Okay. So, unless someone here is like a
[00:46:07] cryptobillionaire, I want to meet you.
[00:46:09] Um, again, I was looking for seed
[00:46:11] funding of which is very normal for a
[00:46:13] startup operation to do. But again,
[00:46:16] >> I weighed the cost and the benefit. I
[00:46:18] took a gap year. It's been 13 gap years.
[00:46:20] However, I I I am curious.
[00:46:24] Does it matter that I didn't went to
[00:46:25] college? Do we want to debate resumes or
[00:46:27] ideas?
[00:46:28] >> No. Ideas, not so you are studying to be
[00:46:31] an actuary. Cool. Explain to me. Are you
[00:46:34] worried at all that artificial
[00:46:36] intelligence will take your job in 5
[00:46:37] years?
[00:46:38] >> I've asked a few I've had many
[00:46:40] uhformational interviews with actuaries.
[00:46:43] I've asked them that same question and
[00:46:44] they aren't worried. they actually think
[00:46:46] that it's going to help actuaries do
[00:46:49] their job more efficiently. Um
[00:46:51] especially with like computing on the
[00:46:53] computer. So I mean but the job itself
[00:46:56] isn't going to go away because of um AI,
[00:46:59] >> but there might be less actuaries.
[00:47:01] >> Well, it's a very secure job. So I I'm
[00:47:04] not worried.
[00:47:04] >> I mean, again, I only I know dangerously
[00:47:06] little about an actuary, but let's say
[00:47:08] that you're an actuary for an insurance
[00:47:09] company.
[00:47:10] >> Yes. I would imagine part of being an
[00:47:12] actuary for all state or state farm
[00:47:14] would be the synthesizing and the
[00:47:15] collection of tens of millions of data
[00:47:17] points finding trends and averages and
[00:47:19] then trying to project where that data
[00:47:21] is going to go. Right.
[00:47:22] >> Yeah.
[00:47:22] >> Objectively artificial intelligence is
[00:47:25] going to be better than 99% of human
[00:47:27] beings with that way. And there's no
[00:47:28] human cost and you can run it 24 hours a
[00:47:30] day. So you're right there still might
[00:47:32] need actuaries to make final
[00:47:33] determinations but again I don't know
[00:47:35] enough about it. But to say that AI
[00:47:37] won't touch your field, I think it will.
[00:47:40] In fact, I think it will lower the
[00:47:41] headcount and make entrylevel new
[00:47:43] graduates from schools like this with
[00:47:45] actuary degrees or math degrees not
[00:47:47] nearly as important as it was 10 years
[00:47:48] ago. Hence my hypothesis that college is
[00:47:51] a scam that a lot of people here are
[00:47:53] getting degrees that will be replaced by
[00:47:54] robots or artificial intelligence. And
[00:47:56] half the audience if you get a job that
[00:47:58] actually half the jobs that are
[00:48:00] available that kids end up getting don't
[00:48:01] even require college degrees in the
[00:48:03] first place.
[00:48:04] >> Okay. But so you're saying AI is just
[00:48:06] going to totally replace everything.
[00:48:07] >> Not everything. No, I said I'm get I'm
[00:48:10] hypothesizing. I don't know enough about
[00:48:12] how what actuaries do, but yeah, you
[00:48:14] heard my 30 second sticktick. Somewhat
[00:48:17] directionally correct, I imagine, right?
[00:48:19] Because insurance companies, the
[00:48:21] backbone of how insurance companies make
[00:48:23] money are actuaries because they have to
[00:48:25] know what to pay for rates and then pay
[00:48:26] out for, you know, hurricanes or fires
[00:48:28] or for are people going to drop dead?
[00:48:30] They have to project that data into the
[00:48:32] future. I mean, AI is really good at
[00:48:35] math right now. It's getting better and
[00:48:36] it's getting better and it's getting
[00:48:37] better. And so, if we get to a place
[00:48:39] where they think it's going to get
[00:48:41] >> I and you're a business owner, why
[00:48:44] employ 5,000 actuaries that, you know,
[00:48:47] require benefits and healthare?
[00:48:49] >> What about the human element? Like an AI
[00:48:51] can predict something, but a human can
[00:48:54] outweigh whether or not that's the right
[00:48:55] decision or not.
[00:48:56] >> Oh, of course. No, I'm saying the
[00:48:57] headcount of actuaries will inevitably
[00:48:59] go down. So you'll end up with like a
[00:49:00] hundred really seasoned actuaries and
[00:49:02] all the 4,990 people 900 would probably
[00:49:05] be largely unnecessary because the
[00:49:07] number crunching, the data synthesizing,
[00:49:09] the projecting can be done much quicker
[00:49:10] and even more accurately in a shorter
[00:49:12] period of time.
[00:49:13] >> Yeah, I mean we are already using
[00:49:16] computers to calculate data with coding.
[00:49:19] So I don't know what you're trying to
[00:49:20] say here.
[00:49:20] >> Well, this is much different though. the
[00:49:22] the AI can assume some of the human
[00:49:24] characteristics to be able to blend data
[00:49:27] models, project them, think
[00:49:28] analytically. AI is even more advanced
[00:49:31] than what you are seeing publicly. It's
[00:49:33] way more advanced. It's like two years
[00:49:35] more advanced. The the private
[00:49:36] artificial intelligence of what
[00:49:38] companies are paying for right now is
[00:49:40] would blow your mind what they can
[00:49:41] actually get. So again, I don't know
[00:49:43] enough about actuaries to be able to
[00:49:44] make a determination, but if I were
[00:49:45] guessing, I would say that 90% of
[00:49:48] actuaries are going to be out of work in
[00:49:49] the next 10 years.
[00:49:50] >> Okay. So, can we go back to the original
[00:49:51] question with college being a scam?
[00:50:02] [Music]
[00:50:05] All right, welcome back to the Charlie
[00:50:07] Kirk show. Our dear friend seat remains
[00:50:10] open with the golden EIB microphone in
[00:50:13] front of it. His hero Rush. Uh, it's
[00:50:15] pretty amazing. And uh so Tucker I this
[00:50:18] is this is the Tucker show for Charlie
[00:50:22] and so I think it's important that I get
[00:50:25] to ask you a question.
[00:50:26] >> Okay.
[00:50:27] >> When did you meet Charlie and tell us
[00:50:29] about how your relationship with Charlie
[00:50:31] grew because I think it's fas.
[00:50:32] >> So I met Charlie when he was a teenager.
[00:50:34] He was um connected to funded by a close
[00:50:38] friend of ours called Foster Freeze
[00:50:41] who's a wonderful man from uh Wilmington
[00:50:43] Delaware. really from Wisconsin, but
[00:50:45] lived in Wilmington and then in Jackson,
[00:50:46] Wyoming um and was an investor in a
[00:50:49] company that we had and more important
[00:50:51] like an actual friend, really the only
[00:50:53] investor I've ever had in anything. And
[00:50:55] um and a very enthusiastic Christian man
[00:51:00] and the kind of person who was just a
[00:51:01] collector of people. You know, I met
[00:51:03] this person who was so enthusiastic and
[00:51:05] almost everybody around him was just
[00:51:06] wonderful. But because he was so rich
[00:51:09] and so generous, he did collect. There
[00:51:11] were phonies in the orbit because there
[00:51:13] always are when someone's rich, right?
[00:51:15] And so he tells me at dinner about this
[00:51:18] kid he's met. He's only 18. He's not
[00:51:20] going to college. I've always been
[00:51:21] opposed to college my whole life. I try
[00:51:24] to convince all my kids not to go. I
[00:51:25] mean, I really meant it. And so he's
[00:51:26] like, "You would love this guy. He's not
[00:51:27] going to college." And I was like, "Man,
[00:51:29] I love that." Because I really am
[00:51:31] opposed and I mean it. And um I'm like,
[00:51:33] "He sounds great." And he's like d and
[00:51:36] I'm thinking oh man some fast talking
[00:51:38] kid has configured was like throwing
[00:51:41] back Reagan quotes or something at poor
[00:51:43] Foster you know who's in his 70s and
[00:51:44] like late60s and he doesn't know and I
[00:51:48] really thought assumed that Charlie was
[00:51:50] just some predator and I didn't like it
[00:51:53] at all. And of course there's the bias
[00:51:55] against young people. I mean Charlie is
[00:51:56] literally the age of one of my children.
[00:51:58] So like
[00:52:00] uh and I felt he's probably just totally
[00:52:02] conventional telling old people what
[00:52:03] they want to hear, sucking up to the
[00:52:05] donors, whatever. So I meet him. I
[00:52:08] thought he was smart as hell. But I was
[00:52:10] very skeptical.
[00:52:11] Then I have this uh he calls me. Would
[00:52:15] you do an event? Sure. I was going to be
[00:52:17] in the state anyway, so I do it. And we
[00:52:19] have this kind of sort of debate. Not
[00:52:21] really a debate. Well, what actually
[00:52:23] happened was I was going to give a
[00:52:25] speech and I got there and we were
[00:52:26] backstage. She's like, "Well, actually,
[00:52:27] let's just do a Q&A." And I was like, "I
[00:52:30] don't know, son. I don't think you want
[00:52:31] to do that with me cuz I'm kind of a
[00:52:34] jerk." Uh, you know, which I am in those
[00:52:37] settings, right? So, he's like, "No, no,
[00:52:39] I want to. We We can. It's okay to have
[00:52:41] a debate." I was like, "I don't know,
[00:52:43] man. Like, I disagree with your views on
[00:52:45] economics and foreign policy, and I'm
[00:52:46] pretty hot on these topics, so I'm just
[00:52:48] letting you know that." Oh, no problem
[00:52:50] at all. So, we end up having this kind
[00:52:52] of intense
[00:52:54] thing and I'm like passionately opposed
[00:52:56] to marijuana and drugs. I'm just having
[00:52:59] used a lot of drugs as a child. Like I'm
[00:53:01] very opposed to drugs. Charlie never
[00:53:03] used any drugs in his whole life. And he
[00:53:04] was at the time he was kind of
[00:53:05] libertarian on the subject. And I
[00:53:07] remember saying, "Everyone in the crowd
[00:53:09] is for weed. Like you think you're so
[00:53:10] cool, but actually it's a control device
[00:53:13] designed to make you passive and
[00:53:15] accepting of this system that's
[00:53:16] destroying you."
[00:53:18] And people kind of booed me or whatever,
[00:53:20] but Charlie looked at me like, I think
[00:53:22] that may be right. And that it was that
[00:53:25] issue. It was weed of all issues. You
[00:53:27] know, it's not my top issue, but I do
[00:53:29] feel it really strongly. I hate
[00:53:31] marijuana. Okay. And I know it's really
[00:53:33] cool, but no, it's like fully corporate
[00:53:36] actually. And it's wrecking Americans,
[00:53:38] especially boys. It's wrecking the
[00:53:40] parking lot of the grocery store nearby.
[00:53:42] It makes me feel like getting my gun.
[00:53:43] Like I really feel that way about it.
[00:53:44] Sorry, I shouldn't say that, but I
[00:53:46] really am mad about it. And Charlie
[00:53:48] grooved with that and that moment set
[00:53:51] off this like conversation. So I was
[00:53:52] back I was in Arizona for something.
[00:53:54] He's like let's go to lunch, let's go to
[00:53:56] dinner. And we started having all these
[00:53:57] really intense conversations. Started
[00:53:58] putting him on Fox and his views were
[00:54:00] changing. And mine were too by the way.
[00:54:02] It's not like I converted him. It's like
[00:54:04] I had been all kinds of embarrassing
[00:54:06] things during the scope of my long life.
[00:54:08] A libertarian, a self-described neocon.
[00:54:10] Can you imagine? I mean I I'll admit it.
[00:54:13] I like got mad at Alex Jones for asking
[00:54:15] questions about 9/11. What? Like I was
[00:54:18] like a horrible person or a very
[00:54:20] close-minded person. I was totally wrong
[00:54:22] about everything. And so I didn't judge.
[00:54:26] Like you should change your mind as the
[00:54:28] evidence changes. The things you thought
[00:54:29] were going to work didn't. An honest man
[00:54:31] asked himself why they didn't work and
[00:54:33] what might work. Like that's the process
[00:54:34] of adulthood. And Charlie, young people
[00:54:37] are very inflexible about what they
[00:54:39] believe. I have found and I I have a lot
[00:54:41] of young people. I have a lot of
[00:54:42] children. He was one of the only young
[00:54:44] people I've ever met who was like, "Oh,
[00:54:46] yeah. I think I was wrong." And only
[00:54:48] belief in Jesus allows you to say that
[00:54:52] because you know that you're not judged.
[00:54:55] You know that honesty is the ticket and
[00:54:58] that if you pursue an honest path,
[00:55:00] you'll be okay. And you don't need the
[00:55:02] agilation from the crowd. You don't need
[00:55:03] the love of strangers to feel good about
[00:55:05] yourself because you know that you are
[00:55:06] loved. It gives you true freedom. And he
[00:55:09] had that. Charlie had no problem at all
[00:55:11] getting up and being like, I was a
[00:55:12] neocon.
[00:55:13] And of course with me he didn't because
[00:55:15] he knew that I was too. I'm like
[00:55:17] cheering on the Iraq war, which I did.
[00:55:19] Like I literally did that. And I'm
[00:55:22] ashamed of it. But I'm also proud to
[00:55:23] admit it because I think that it's
[00:55:25] important to let people know that you
[00:55:28] can admit being wrong. It's okay. It's
[00:55:30] all right. We're people. We're not gods.
[00:55:32] You can be wrong.
[00:55:34] >> We're going to end this radio segment.
[00:55:36] We're going to be right back on the
[00:55:38] stream. So don't go anywhere.
[00:55:47] I want you to know, Tucker, that that
[00:55:49] must have gone deep because Blake can
[00:55:51] attest of all the fringe issues that he
[00:55:53] knew, he was on the unpopular side, he
[00:55:56] was very, very vehemently against weed.
[00:56:01] >> No way.
[00:56:02] >> Oh, he went hard on it.
[00:56:04] >> Yes. No, I just I I think it you really
[00:56:06] got at it where, you know, one he was
[00:56:08] totally unafraid of being in a huge
[00:56:09] minority on an issue and being frank
[00:56:11] about it. You know, people would ask and
[00:56:13] he he'd be like they'd ask him about
[00:56:15] like abortion and he'd be like, "Look,
[00:56:16] you know, my position on that is a tiny
[00:56:18] minority in the United States and I'm
[00:56:20] going to keep trying anyway." And he'd
[00:56:21] say that on, you know, gay marriage
[00:56:23] where the polls would say, you know, a
[00:56:24] big majority support it and all of that.
[00:56:26] Um, and at the same time, yeah, the zero
[00:56:30] uh like shame about if he had to change
[00:56:32] his views. You see that so often with
[00:56:33] politicians. Well, actually, that was a
[00:56:35] different situation. You know, I voted
[00:56:37] that way because, you know, it wasn't
[00:56:40] like that. And he'll just be like, "Oh,
[00:56:42] no. I was wrong. I, you know, I hadn't
[00:56:43] thought about this."
[00:56:44] >> But you can't be controlled if you will.
[00:56:46] So, this is how the media control
[00:56:47] politicians. They find some clip if the
[00:56:49] politicians saying something different
[00:56:51] 10 years ago. It's like, well, it was a
[00:56:52] different country 10 years ago.
[00:56:53] >> He would do that. We would see these
[00:56:55] clips, you know, these really like
[00:56:57] they'd be like, "Look at here's Charlie
[00:56:59] defending, you know, this issue." And
[00:57:01] and I would be like, "Ah, Charlie, they
[00:57:02] dug up that old clip." And he goes, "Oh,
[00:57:04] yeah. I was a that was that was back
[00:57:05] when I was a cuck."
[00:57:07] >> 100%.
[00:57:08] >> And you know,
[00:57:09] >> but there's no shame in that. And and
[00:57:11] Charlie's example of admitting the truth
[00:57:14] about himself in public is the most
[00:57:17] edifying and important thing you can
[00:57:18] ever do because it shows people you can
[00:57:21] take the leash off and you can live in
[00:57:23] freedom because you know you're loved.
[00:57:25] You can tell the truth. We're all going
[00:57:26] to die anyway. That this is the deepest
[00:57:29] truth. And your job is to be honest and
[00:57:32] to be loving to other people. Okay?
[00:57:34] That's your job. Only belief in God
[00:57:36] allows that. And once you do it, it's
[00:57:39] like it's not only fine, it's great.
[00:57:41] It's actual liberation.
[00:57:45] >> You said that. I remember at the first
[00:57:47] Afest when you came back. So you had the
[00:57:49] debate and then you came back,
[00:57:52] >> the unplanned debate.
[00:57:53] >> Oh, I remember feeling so honored that
[00:57:55] you came back. It was our first Afest
[00:57:57] and we really needed like somebody of
[00:58:01] your caliber and your your I'm going to
[00:58:04] say it you your fame, your your your the
[00:58:07] weight that you held in the movement
[00:58:08] especially. I mean it it was an honor to
[00:58:11] us to have you there and you came out
[00:58:13] the first came out the first night and
[00:58:14] you you just said, "Let me say a few
[00:58:16] words about Charlie.
[00:58:17] >> He's willing to change his mind. He's
[00:58:19] willing to adapt and and and I knew that
[00:58:22] was your subtle nod to people who might
[00:58:25] have judged you. Maybe you weren't even
[00:58:26] thinking that, but it it felt like it
[00:58:27] was at least saying like, "Listen, I
[00:58:29] know some of you think Charlie's a
[00:58:30] certain way. Let me tell you, from that
[00:58:32] 2017 or whatever 18 debate to now it was
[00:58:36] I think it was 2021. Like a couple years
[00:58:38] had gone by since we'd had you back and
[00:58:40] and then we you know, you've been back
[00:58:42] ever since." But it was it's it's so
[00:58:45] important. I just can't say it enough to
[00:58:48] be honest about yourself. It's very easy
[00:58:49] to be honest about everybody else. Oh,
[00:58:51] you're fat. I don't like your dress.
[00:58:52] Like, that's super easy. It's very hard
[00:58:56] to be honest about yourself. Like I'm
[00:58:58] fat. I'm wearing an ugly dress. Like no
[00:58:59] one wants to admit that. But once you do
[00:59:03] you the feathers are off and you are so
[00:59:06] free. And Charlie just live that. I feel
[00:59:09] like that's almost one of the most
[00:59:11] important things is to admit the truth
[00:59:13] about yourself and then no one can
[00:59:15] control you. What can you say about me
[00:59:16] that I won't readily concede about
[00:59:20] myself? Like nothing. And then what are
[00:59:22] you gonna do to me? You know, nothing.
[00:59:24] Oh, it's it's amazing.
[00:59:26] >> Yeah. I read that poem a week ago about
[00:59:28] Charlie and I always think about that
[00:59:30] other one. You know, it's a much more
[00:59:32] famous one, If by Ruddard Kipling.
[00:59:34] >> Yes.
[00:59:34] >> And
[00:59:37] it really does just perfectly describe
[00:59:39] Charlie.
[00:59:40] >> Uh, you know, if you can, you know,
[00:59:41] speak with kings but not lose the common
[00:59:43] touch. if you and the really one the the
[00:59:46] one that ends the poem which you don't
[00:59:47] hear quoted as much. If you can fill the
[00:59:49] unforgiving minute with 60 seconds
[00:59:52] distance runner or something like that.
[00:59:53] I might be getting that wrong like
[00:59:55] >> uh but he he really did encapsulate all
[01:00:00] like everything of of that poem about
[01:00:03] what it is to to be a true man to be a
[01:00:06] true adult to be a heroic figure.
[01:00:09] >> Uh I don't have
[01:00:10] >> Yeah. You want me to read it?
[01:00:11] >> Yeah. Go for it.
[01:00:12] >> Yeah. Okay.
[01:00:14] Uh, if you can keep your head when all
[01:00:17] about you are losing theirs and blaming
[01:00:19] it on you. Yeah. If you can trust
[01:00:20] yourselves when all men doubt you.
[01:00:23] >> Exactly.
[01:00:24] >> Yourself. But but make allowances for
[01:00:27] their doubting too. If you can wait and
[01:00:29] not be tired by waiting or being lied
[01:00:32] about. Don't deal in lies. Or being
[01:00:36] hated. Don't give way to hating. and yet
[01:00:39] don't look too good nor talk too wise.
[01:00:43] If you can dream and not make dreams
[01:00:45] your master. If you can think and not
[01:00:48] make thoughts your aim. If you can meet
[01:00:52] with triumph and disaster and treat
[01:00:54] those two impostors just the same.
[01:00:56] >> Exactly. If you can bear to hear the
[01:00:59] truth you've spoken twisted by naves to
[01:01:02] make a trap for fools or watch the
[01:01:05] things you gave your life to broken and
[01:01:08] to stoop and build them up with worn out
[01:01:10] tools. If you can make one heap of all
[01:01:14] your winnings and risk it on one turn of
[01:01:17] pitch and toss and lose and start again
[01:01:20] at your beginnings and never breathe a
[01:01:22] word about your loss. If you can force
[01:01:25] your heart and nerve and senue to serve
[01:01:28] your long your turn long after you are
[01:01:30] gone and so hold on when there is
[01:01:33] nothing in you except the will which
[01:01:36] says to them hold on. If you can talk
[01:01:39] with crowds and keep your virtue or walk
[01:01:42] with kings nor lose the common touch. If
[01:01:46] neither foes nor loving friends can hurt
[01:01:49] you. If all men count with you, but none
[01:01:53] too much.
[01:01:55] If you can fill the unforgiving minute
[01:01:57] with 60 seconds worth of distance run,
[01:02:00] yours is the earth and everything that's
[01:02:02] in it. And which is more, you'll be a
[01:02:05] man, my son. It's incredible. And and
[01:02:09] the line that jumps out to me, which is
[01:02:10] the truest, and everyone, I think,
[01:02:13] understands it at some point. If you can
[01:02:14] treat triumph and disasters, those two
[01:02:16] imposters the same. They are imposters
[01:02:18] actually because you know I'm not trying
[01:02:22] to leech the meaning from the human
[01:02:23] experience, it is meaningful. But it's
[01:02:25] not
[01:02:26] >> it's it's not the real point actually.
[01:02:28] And there is a sense in which this is
[01:02:31] >> it. It just stands out to me how many of
[01:02:32] those things we just in the past hour
[01:02:35] being lied about. Don't deal in lies.
[01:02:37] >> That's that's the one thing that I kept
[01:02:38] thinking about. If you can wait and not
[01:02:40] be tired. No. Or or being lied about.
[01:02:42] Don't deal in lies or being hated. Don't
[01:02:44] give way to hating. And you know how
[01:02:48] winning is the real trap. Winning is the
[01:02:50] trap. That that's where men destroy
[01:02:51] themselves. That's what that was. He and
[01:02:52] I talked about that recently all the
[01:02:54] time.
[01:02:55] >> Well, yeah.
[01:02:56] >> Winning is when you decide that you're
[01:02:59] God. That's the David moment for most
[01:03:01] men.
[01:03:02] >> Surviving triumph is is the real trick.
[01:03:06] And so few can do it. And he could
[01:03:10] >> I think
[01:03:10] >> it's a beautiful Thank you for bringing
[01:03:11] that. Actually,
[01:03:13] >> Blake has brought two poems uh to us
[01:03:15] this week that um
[01:03:16] >> I am the egghehead.
[01:03:17] >> We have uh I mean that one about from
[01:03:20] world war world war. What was the name
[01:03:22] of that poem?
[01:03:22] >> Uh for the fallen
[01:03:23] >> for the fallen.
[01:03:24] >> Blake can read poetry in a very
[01:03:25] heterosexual way which is
[01:03:28] >> Are you saying that I just did it in a
[01:03:29] non
[01:03:29] >> No, no, no, no, no, no. That was that
[01:03:31] was so straight it was unbelievable. I'm
[01:03:33] just saying you don't meet a lot of guys
[01:03:34] who are like I want to share some poetry
[01:03:36] with you. I've never been accused. I
[01:03:38] have a unblenmished record of
[01:03:39] heterosexuality. And you know, it's
[01:03:42] funny. I'm stealing that line from
[01:03:43] Charlie Kirk. He would always say, "I
[01:03:45] have an unblenmished record of
[01:03:46] heterosexuality."
[01:03:48] Um, why don't we take a quick little
[01:03:51] break? We're going to reset. Um, and
[01:03:52] we'll be back for radio in about a
[01:03:54] minute and a half.
[01:04:06] American
[01:04:09] Pride Month in the month of July.
[01:04:12] >> So, no, I again I I wouldn't do anything
[01:04:15] legally about it, but no, I I don't
[01:04:17] think that any government building or
[01:04:18] government entity should celebrate what
[01:04:21] happens in June.
[01:04:22] >> Okay.
[01:04:24] So, you just believe it should be
[01:04:25] basically privatedly celebrated?
[01:04:28] >> Yeah, if you want to, you have a right
[01:04:30] to do it, of course. Obviously.
[01:04:31] >> Okay. Well, thank you for your time
[01:04:32] then. I just wanted to ask.
[01:04:33] >> Okay. Thank you very much. Next
[01:04:34] question.
[01:04:36] Hello, Charlie.
[01:04:38] >> Hello, Charlie. How are you doing today?
[01:04:40] Good. Okay. So, mine's just I think it's
[01:04:42] a little dumb question, but I feel like
[01:04:44] you know more about this than I do, but
[01:04:46] I think it's a really important
[01:04:47] question. My question is basically, you
[01:04:50] know, how the country is divided
[01:04:52] basically into Republican, Republican,
[01:04:54] and Democrat, right? And we've kind of
[01:04:55] became really, really, really, really,
[01:04:57] really divided like, you know, with all
[01:04:59] the people right here, you could hear
[01:05:01] like a really big protest going on right
[01:05:03] over there. our crowd's bigger but
[01:05:04] that's
[01:05:04] >> yeah but yeah
[01:05:07] >> why why do you think we have become so
[01:05:10] divided as a country
[01:05:11] >> yeah it's not actually a stupid question
[01:05:13] I mean part of it is
[01:05:17] >> I mean look it's going to sound like
[01:05:18] overly simple but but I I do want to ask
[01:05:21] a question to
[01:05:31] [Music]
[01:05:32] All
[01:05:45] [Music]
[01:05:50] right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk
[01:05:52] Show. I'm Andrew Kulv, the executive
[01:05:55] producer of this show. I'm joined by
[01:05:56] Blake Nef, another producer on the show.
[01:05:58] And of course, the wonderful, the great,
[01:06:01] the legendary, and Tucker, you don't get
[01:06:03] enough credit for something. I I I
[01:06:05] should have finished it. The Tucker
[01:06:06] Carlson, but you don't get enough credit
[01:06:08] for something. I just want people to
[01:06:09] understand that Tucker, I mean, I've
[01:06:11] seen you backstage, I don't know, more
[01:06:13] times than I can count now. And you are
[01:06:16] the exact same with the guy who's taking
[01:06:20] out the trash as our PAs and our
[01:06:23] assistants and the people in between as
[01:06:26] you are with Charlie or me or Blake. You
[01:06:28] are the exact same human. And I I really
[01:06:31] want everybody to know that about you
[01:06:32] cuz you wouldn't say it about yourself.
[01:06:33] You treat everybody like you. I can't
[01:06:36] tell you how many times I that has
[01:06:38] occurred to me because you'll be I'll be
[01:06:40] needing to drag you somewhere where we
[01:06:42] need you to go, but you're deep into a
[01:06:44] conversation in the corner with, you
[01:06:46] know, the the the assistant that like I
[01:06:49] don't even know know that I necessarily
[01:06:50] knew the name of the because we have so
[01:06:52] many employees around and you would just
[01:06:53] be like engrossed in this deep
[01:06:56] conversation and I would feel bad, you
[01:06:58] know, oh, we got to grab Tucker. He's
[01:06:59] got to go on stage in like five minutes
[01:07:00] or something. And I love that about you,
[01:07:02] man. And I just want the world to know
[01:07:04] that.
[01:07:05] >> Well, thank you. No, I mean I love
[01:07:06] people and I you know God created
[01:07:08] everyone. But it's also true that I grew
[01:07:10] up in rich people world back when it was
[01:07:12] an egalitarian world. It's one of the
[01:07:15] main changes in my country in my
[01:07:16] lifetime is that rich people are not
[01:07:18] egalitarian anymore. But I grew up you
[01:07:20] know in an affluent family around rich
[01:07:21] people and you know the housekeeper
[01:07:23] comes to Thanksgiving dinner. Period.
[01:07:25] Period. And that's a wasp thing. I'm
[01:07:27] just going to say it out loud. That's a
[01:07:28] wasp thing and that's gone. But we felt
[01:07:31] that very very strongly. And um I just
[01:07:34] think that's right. And
[01:07:36] >> it's not gone cuz we still believe it
[01:07:38] and you still believe it.
[01:07:39] >> I really believe it. I really believe
[01:07:41] I'll just say one thing. Everyone hates
[01:07:43] the Wasps and I beat up on them
[01:07:45] constantly. But in the club that I spent
[01:07:46] my life at, I don't even know if they're
[01:07:48] clubs anymore, but the only thing you
[01:07:49] could do to get booted from the club was
[01:07:51] to be rude to the staff. Period. You
[01:07:53] could be drunk. They're always drunk, of
[01:07:54] course. Um you could be, you know,
[01:07:56] whatever. You could say anything. But if
[01:07:58] you were rude to a waiter, you were
[01:07:59] gone. I mean, they wouldn't even have
[01:08:01] hearing about it because so deep was the
[01:08:04] was the culture on that question. It's
[01:08:06] that you we are all underneath it all
[01:08:09] the same. We were all created by God. We
[01:08:11] have different aptitudes or language.
[01:08:12] We're very different in a lot of ways,
[01:08:13] but fundamentally we're all going to
[01:08:14] stand alone before God. And that was the
[01:08:17] idea that spawned the Democratic
[01:08:19] Republic that we grew up in anyway. That
[01:08:22] that's the that's the core idea of
[01:08:24] America that is never articulated
[01:08:26] anymore. We didn't have fasttrack at
[01:08:28] Disney World when I was growing up. And
[01:08:30] I still feel that way and I'm married to
[01:08:32] a chick who really feels that way. I
[01:08:34] mean, really feels you get married in my
[01:08:36] family and you know, the guy who cuts
[01:08:37] her grass is coming to your wedding
[01:08:38] whether you like it or not. Like that's
[01:08:41] that's the rule in my house.
[01:08:42] >> I love that.
[01:08:43] >> I'm not saying that to make myself sound
[01:08:44] virtuous. It's just like that is
[01:08:46] something that we have lost and we have
[01:08:48] to fight to regain that. And all these
[01:08:50] like little fake aristocrats flying
[01:08:52] around in their planes. It's one of the
[01:08:53] reasons I really am upset with them is
[01:08:55] because they've forgotten that specific
[01:08:58] thing.
[01:08:58] >> Charlie wanted better elites and uh
[01:09:01] >> Yes.
[01:09:02] >> And uh and
[01:09:04] >> I Yeah, I mean you you model it and it's
[01:09:06] not gone because we're talking about it
[01:09:07] right now and maybe we can bring it
[01:09:08] back. Um, in the spirit of actually
[01:09:11] doing a show, we have a
[01:09:16] one of my obsession.
[01:09:17] >> I have this great clip that I I can't
[01:09:19] wait to share with everybody, but uh
[01:09:20] we're going to bring in Frank Turk who
[01:09:23] um cross talk. He was with Charlie on
[01:09:25] the day Charlie um he would go to Frank
[01:09:30] with ideas of apologetics and how to
[01:09:33] argue for the faith and contend for the
[01:09:34] faith in the public square. So Frank,
[01:09:36] welcome to the Charlie Kirk show with uh
[01:09:38] Tucker Carlson, the great Tucker Carlson
[01:09:40] with us.
[01:09:41] >> Hey.
[01:09:42] >> Hey. I just want to piggyback on
[01:09:43] something Tucker just said. The only
[01:09:45] world view that agrees with what Tucker
[01:09:48] just said is Christianity. You know, in
[01:09:51] in Hinduism, there's a cast system. In
[01:09:54] Islam, if you're not a Muslim, you're a
[01:09:56] secondass citizen. In the secular world,
[01:09:58] there's no way to ground uh these moral
[01:10:02] values and the moral worth that every
[01:10:04] individual has. The only world view that
[01:10:07] does that is Christianity. And that was
[01:10:10] the world view that Charlie and
[01:10:13] everybody here at this table right now
[01:10:16] wants to demonstrate is true and try and
[01:10:20] persuade young people to follow.
[01:10:24] >> I love that you said that. I I think
[01:10:26] that that is indisputably true. I think
[01:10:28] it's provable. I mean, you know, the
[01:10:31] founding documents still exist. We we
[01:10:32] know what the people who wrote them were
[01:10:34] thinking and they were informed by a
[01:10:36] culture that is a product of Christian
[01:10:38] civilization. Period. Western
[01:10:40] civilization is Christian civilization.
[01:10:43] And there I I'm not against other
[01:10:44] religions, by the way. I don't follow
[01:10:45] them, but I'm not mad at them. I'm just
[01:10:47] going to want to say that. I'm not I
[01:10:48] know a lot of great people who are of
[01:10:50] different faiths. But Christianity is
[01:10:52] unique in that it's true. And it's
[01:10:54] unique in that it believes that every
[01:10:56] person is at least potentially chosen by
[01:11:00] God. Every person. And and and the whole
[01:11:03] New Testament is that story, by the way.
[01:11:05] And and so Christians feel that deeply.
[01:11:07] The cultures that they create reflect
[01:11:09] it. And I grieve its passing. And I pray
[01:11:12] for its return to our country.
[01:11:14] Well, ironically, Tucker,
[01:11:17] Charlie's
[01:11:18] martyrdom might be the turning point to
[01:11:22] bring it back. I don't know. Well, you
[01:11:26] do know because you're seeing what's
[01:11:27] going on at TPUSA right now.
[01:11:29] >> Yes.
[01:11:30] >> How many people want to start TPUSA
[01:11:33] chapters? What's What are we up to now,
[01:11:35] Andrew? Is it 62,000? Something like
[01:11:37] that?
[01:11:37] >> Yeah, it's I mean, it's growing by the
[01:11:39] minute, so it's probably Let's just say
[01:11:41] approximately 65,000.
[01:11:43] Whoa.
[01:11:44] >> It's We had We had 2,000 before that. I
[01:11:48] mean, I'm I'm I'm seeing people online
[01:11:50] on on some YouTube videos that have to
[01:11:53] do with Charlie. Some of my own YouTube
[01:11:55] videos. They're all over the world.
[01:11:57] There's people in Denmark going, you
[01:11:59] know, I was an atheist and because of
[01:12:00] Charlie Kirk, I'm a Christian now.
[01:12:02] Australia, same thing. London, same
[01:12:06] thing. This isn't just in America. This
[01:12:09] is happening all over the world. And so
[01:12:13] I want to commend every one of you for
[01:12:18] uh advancing the cause that Charlie so
[01:12:22] uh was so near and dear to Charlie's
[01:12:24] heart in a time of mourning. It's got to
[01:12:26] be so difficult Andrew and Blake
[01:12:28] especially to uh to continue on. But
[01:12:31] Charlie would want it and that's why
[01:12:34] we're all here right now.
[01:12:35] >> Well, and Frank, I you know, bless you.
[01:12:37] I know you've had to deal with the
[01:12:39] conspiracy theories and the you know
[01:12:42] why' you touch your hat at this time
[01:12:44] because you know that wretched video. I
[01:12:48] mean, but bless you, brother. I just
[01:12:50] want to be uh I just want to be a
[01:12:54] character reference for you. And uh
[01:12:56] Charlie loved you so much. You were
[01:12:58] always there for Charlie and I know how
[01:13:01] much he leaned on you for apologetics
[01:13:03] and for thinking through these deep
[01:13:05] issues. you know, around the when he was
[01:13:07] on Bill Maher recently and you know, you
[01:13:10] you've meant so much to him and your
[01:13:12] work at Cross-examine, like you are a
[01:13:14] dear brother and a dear friend and some
[01:13:15] of that garbage like I don't even paid
[01:13:17] any heed, but I know you uh have you
[01:13:20] were there the day that it happened. I
[01:13:22] know this has been terrible for you too
[01:13:24] and you've had to deal with all this
[01:13:26] garbage, but um you know, God bless you
[01:13:29] and I'm sorry that that has been
[01:13:30] something in your experience.
[01:13:33] >> Thanks, brother. I mean, that's
[01:13:36] that actually hasn't bothered me all
[01:13:38] that much to tell you the truth. I just
[01:13:39] think it's so colossally stupid that if
[01:13:42] somebody wanted to shoot somebody,
[01:13:43] they'd need a guy standing 25 ft from
[01:13:45] him to signal, hey, get him. He's the
[01:13:48] guy. I mean, he's it makes absolutely no
[01:13:51] sense at all. So, uh it was just a
[01:13:56] terrible day, but we all did the best we
[01:13:58] could to try and help and save Charlie.
[01:14:01] And then once we couldn't, all we could
[01:14:04] do was take Erica's lead and your lead,
[01:14:07] Andrew, and Mikey's lead, because you
[01:14:09] were all there to march forward and and
[01:14:14] take his legacy to new levels. And Lord
[01:14:17] willing, that's what's going to happen.
[01:14:18] >> Well, Frank, you're going to be a key
[01:14:20] part of that. And um you know, I I joke
[01:14:23] with Erica. I'm like, Erica, he left us
[01:14:25] all the the keys. He had all the people
[01:14:28] that we needed, all the all the
[01:14:30] reference points, all the all the true
[01:14:32] allies, not the snakes, not the not the
[01:14:35] the grifters, the true people. And you
[01:14:38] are a true man and you have great
[01:14:40] character and you have great heart and
[01:14:41] you've been a great friend to Charlie
[01:14:43] and to us. So,
[01:14:45] >> you know, thank you, brother. As you
[01:14:46] >> I can say it a thousand times over.
[01:14:49] >> Thank you. But, um, let's just do
[01:14:52] whatever we can to to advance this
[01:14:55] legacy now. and that you mentioned it
[01:14:57] Erica and I me and Tucker were just talk
[01:14:59] we want to we want to talk about Erica a
[01:15:00] little bit here and so uh we have to go
[01:15:03] to a radio break but we're going to keep
[01:15:05] we're going to keep going for the stream
[01:15:07] and um so
[01:15:09] >> hang right there with us the great
[01:15:10] Tucker Carlson
[01:15:12] Charlie's dear dear friend is with us
[01:15:14] and we're so honored by it we'll be
[01:15:16] right back
[01:15:21] All
[01:15:24] [Music]
[01:15:34] right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk
[01:15:37] show. Um, do you want to hit
[01:15:40] >> I do want to hit that because um, you
[01:15:42] know, there've been reference I know
[01:15:43] that a lot of the stuff going on online
[01:15:45] I've checked out. Actually, just want to
[01:15:46] say that because it's too upsetting to
[01:15:47] me. I know it's extremely upsetting for
[01:15:49] you guys since you're way more in the
[01:15:50] middle of it than I am. Um, but I
[01:15:55] obviously you need a a fair, impartial,
[01:15:58] wellexplained investigation that assures
[01:16:00] everyone the rule of law lives in the
[01:16:01] United States. I think it's essential
[01:16:03] and I hope that we get it. I think we're
[01:16:04] going to have to push for it. We should
[01:16:05] push for it. But as to what happened,
[01:16:08] again, totally fair in my view to to ask
[01:16:10] sincere questions. But I think it's
[01:16:12] important to remember the big picture,
[01:16:13] which is whatever happened, it was a
[01:16:15] species of the same phenomenon, which
[01:16:18] was the fight of evil against good. And
[01:16:21] his murder was an attempt to extinguish
[01:16:24] the light. Period. And it it didn't
[01:16:26] work. Like that's the main thing to
[01:16:28] know. There are lots of things I I want
[01:16:30] to know. And again, we have a civil
[01:16:31] system that has to go through a process
[01:16:33] in order for this government to continue
[01:16:35] or any government. It has to be
[01:16:37] transparent and motivated by good faith.
[01:16:39] And it has to try to affect justice.
[01:16:40] That's a key and I I I don't think we
[01:16:42] should blow past it. However, again, big
[01:16:44] picture, this is light versus dark and
[01:16:48] you feel the darkness all around us. It
[01:16:50] comes in many different forms and many
[01:16:53] different guises. These are these are
[01:16:55] disguises, okay? But what it really is
[01:16:57] is the age-old, you know, it's the it's
[01:17:00] the Lord of the earth. It's it's Satan.
[01:17:02] Sorry to say that. It is deliver us from
[01:17:04] the evil one, I think, is the actual
[01:17:07] translation in the Lord's Prayer. and
[01:17:08] the evil one is all around us. But
[01:17:11] Charlie's murder is a reminder that we
[01:17:13] are surrounded by God and God's
[01:17:15] protection and God's love. And that is
[01:17:17] so obvious. The light has not only not
[01:17:20] been extinguished, it's glowing
[01:17:22] brighter. I I hate like dumb metaphors
[01:17:25] like that except this one is totally
[01:17:27] real. And so we should or I speak for
[01:17:30] myself. I'm going to focus on that. I'm
[01:17:33] going to focus on the big picture while
[01:17:34] demanding a precise accounting that is
[01:17:38] legitimate, but I'm not going to get so
[01:17:41] caught up in that stuff that I miss the
[01:17:44] true message, which is for forces of
[01:17:46] darkness tried to extinguish the light.
[01:17:48] And not only did they fail, their effort
[01:17:51] was counterproductive. That is the
[01:17:52] truth.
[01:17:56] Frank, that was I was just sorry I got I
[01:17:59] I was in sort of wrapped by what you
[01:18:02] were saying.
[01:18:02] >> Sorry, I felt that. I felt it coming up.
[01:18:05] I couldn't keep it down.
[01:18:06] >> It was beautiful. I was looking for
[01:18:07] somebody else to respond here quickly.
[01:18:09] >> Let me let me mention something related
[01:18:11] to that. You know, our mutual friend
[01:18:12] James Lindseay uh had a a text exchange
[01:18:16] with Charlie. In fact, he sent it to me
[01:18:19] the other night because I was speaking
[01:18:21] at a university here in North Carolina
[01:18:23] on one Wednesday night about Charlie and
[01:18:26] I related this story and let me just let
[01:18:29] me just read you what James sent to uh
[01:18:32] Charlie and what Charlie sent back. Very
[01:18:34] astute response by Charlie. James said,
[01:18:37] this is August 24th, 2023. Communism is
[01:18:40] by far the best evidence in support of
[01:18:42] Satan's existence. Charlie writes back
[01:18:45] 100%. And then the next text he writes
[01:18:48] back, if there is a Satan, then there is
[01:18:50] a God. And James writes back that would
[01:18:53] follow.
[01:18:55] So evil actually shows that God does
[01:18:58] exist. Not that he doesn't. Because
[01:19:00] there'd be no such thing as evil unless
[01:19:01] there was good. And there'd be no such
[01:19:03] thing as good unless God existed.
[01:19:05] Because in any objective sense, the only
[01:19:07] way you can define good is God's nature.
[01:19:10] Otherwise, everything's a matter of
[01:19:11] opinion. You couldn't say murder was
[01:19:14] really objectively wrong unless there's
[01:19:16] a standard of objectively right that
[01:19:17] we're all obligated to obey. And what we
[01:19:19] mean by that is God's nature. And as
[01:19:21] Tucker pointed out earlier, our founders
[01:19:23] understood that we hold these truths to
[01:19:25] be self-evident that all men were
[01:19:27] created and endowed by their government.
[01:19:29] No, it doesn't say that. Endowed by
[01:19:31] their creator with certain unalienable
[01:19:33] rights. So if evil exists, and it all,
[01:19:36] we all know it does. We saw it eight
[01:19:38] days ago. Then God exists. Well, and
[01:19:41] that is honestly the way that a lot of
[01:19:45] us were convinced of the reality of God
[01:19:48] was by being forced to acknowledge the
[01:19:50] reality of evil. I can say that for
[01:19:53] myself, my wife, who's like the p the
[01:19:55] person who keeps our family text chain
[01:19:57] grounded in the truth, sent a verse this
[01:20:00] morning that basically said that exact
[01:20:02] thing. And there are a number of them
[01:20:03] throughout both old and new testaments
[01:20:04] as you know better than I, but that say
[01:20:06] that God will use evil for his purposes
[01:20:08] and that he will reveal himself through
[01:20:11] through through sadness as well as joy.
[01:20:13] And that is practically true. It's not
[01:20:16] even a theoretical concept. It's a
[01:20:18] living concept for those of us who
[01:20:19] concluded just on the basis of the
[01:20:21] evidence that these were not political
[01:20:22] differences. Actually, these were not
[01:20:24] political phenomenon. These were a bunch
[01:20:26] of different things. I won't get
[01:20:27] specific, but you know what I'm talking
[01:20:28] about. This is the face of evil. And
[01:20:30] that brought us to the reality of God.
[01:20:32] It's like wild that actually happened.
[01:20:34] It happened to me.
[01:20:37] >> I uh I'm loving all of this because it's
[01:20:40] u making my my head spinning. So let's
[01:20:42] take a quick 15se second break and then
[01:20:45] we'll welcome back uh radio.
[01:20:48] >> That's a short ad.
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[01:21:06] All right, welcome back to the Charlie
[01:21:08] Kirk show. Um, I want to say one thing
[01:21:10] about
[01:21:12] I want everybody to know and I know
[01:21:14] Blake you've been contemplating this too
[01:21:18] but Charlie was willing to give
[01:21:21] the very last measure of his effort and
[01:21:24] his life. He really was and he said it
[01:21:27] multiple times and I think the first
[01:21:29] time he said it on stage he you know it
[01:21:33] wasn't something that was planned. came
[01:21:34] out of him naturally and Erica heard it
[01:21:37] and Erica was like
[01:21:40] you be careful when you say that please
[01:21:43] you know
[01:21:45] >> and
[01:21:47] that's really powerful but he said it
[01:21:49] again and again he said it on a Lance
[01:21:52] Wall now show I remember one time saying
[01:21:54] like
[01:21:56] you know I I mean and he was very aware
[01:21:59] of the story of Stephen he was very well
[01:22:00] aware of the of the prophets and he was
[01:22:03] very well aware that people were want
[01:22:06] that wanted to hurt him and
[01:22:10] it it never stopped him and I think we
[01:22:13] need to remember that when we when we
[01:22:15] think about evil and we think about
[01:22:17] because death where is your victory oh
[01:22:20] death where is your sting
[01:22:22] >> it's the last thing that you know it's
[01:22:24] like you said it it they tried they
[01:22:27] meant it for evil but the Lord is taking
[01:22:29] it and he's turning it to good and for
[01:22:31] the saving of many lives and I always
[01:22:33] was caught by that wording in the
[01:22:35] scriptures, the saving of many lives.
[01:22:37] Obviously, he's talking about the
[01:22:38] Israelites
[01:22:40] in that instance, but it as we
[01:22:42] contemplate it for our own moment, the
[01:22:44] saving of many lives. And you I think
[01:22:46] about all these baptisms and all these
[01:22:47] reports of the churches being
[01:22:48] overflowing and across the country and
[01:22:50] these we didn't riot, Tucker. We didn't
[01:22:53] burn businesses. We didn't tear down
[01:22:56] windows and doors. We we prayed
[01:22:59] >> and that is the biggest most amazing
[01:23:02] testament to the character of Charlie
[01:23:04] Ker.
[01:23:04] >> Well, and but it's the also the nature
[01:23:06] of or has been my experience anyway. I'm
[01:23:08] not a theologian, but I just will say
[01:23:10] that the I've had many moments
[01:23:12] especially in the last 10 years where
[01:23:14] boy, you can feel it around you like for
[01:23:16] real. You can feel the menace, you can
[01:23:17] feel the hate, you can feel the threat
[01:23:19] comes out of nowhere. I've had a couple
[01:23:21] pretty intense experiences with it. Very
[01:23:24] intense. and they are followed
[01:23:25] invariably by the peace of God, by the
[01:23:28] Holy Spirit. And you know that God is
[01:23:30] using this moment for your benefit, your
[01:23:32] edification, and your joy. That is true.
[01:23:35] That out of tragedy, I and it's such a
[01:23:37] cliche and it's such a kind of syrupy
[01:23:40] hallmark false assurance on the surface
[01:23:43] that I hesitate even to say it, but I've
[01:23:45] just lived it so much. I've lived it so
[01:23:47] much. That is absolutely how God has
[01:23:49] communicated with me in my life like
[01:23:52] directly is by contrasting his presence
[01:23:55] with the evil that you feel around you.
[01:23:56] And so it is in a weird way in the
[01:23:59] middle of tragedy like a true blessing.
[01:24:01] And if you see a loved one, you know, we
[01:24:03] all go through this as we age. I've been
[01:24:05] through it a lot recently where someone
[01:24:06] you really really love dies and then
[01:24:08] you're just filled with this sense of
[01:24:10] the presence of God that's absolutely
[01:24:12] real. It's not you're not manufacturing
[01:24:13] it. It's it's not like a immune response
[01:24:16] or something. think it's like a presence
[01:24:18] from outside coming into you and um and
[01:24:21] I think the whole country feels it or
[01:24:23] the people who are alive to it feel it
[01:24:25] now
[01:24:25] >> strongly in in fact the greatest evil of
[01:24:28] all time the sacrifice of Jesus has led
[01:24:32] to the greatest good
[01:24:33] >> yes
[01:24:34] >> without the sacrifice of Jesus we'd all
[01:24:36] be dead in our sins but Christ was
[01:24:39] sacrificed so that our punishment could
[01:24:43] be put on him and when we trust in him
[01:24:46] we're not only forgiven, but we're given
[01:24:48] his righteousness. You know, there's a
[01:24:50] misunderstanding among some. They think
[01:24:52] in order to get to heaven, I got to be
[01:24:53] good. No, no, no, no. There's nobody
[01:24:55] good enough. Jesus said there's nobody
[01:24:57] good but one, and that was him.
[01:25:00] >> In order to get to heaven, you need to
[01:25:02] take his sacrifice and apply it to
[01:25:06] yourself. You need to take the
[01:25:07] punishment that went on him
[01:25:10] and you you trust in him to get that
[01:25:13] forgiveness because your punishment was
[01:25:15] put on him. And then by trusting in him,
[01:25:17] you're not only forgiven, you're given
[01:25:19] his righteousness. So good works are a
[01:25:21] result of Christianity. They're not the
[01:25:24] cause of Christianity. The cause of
[01:25:26] Christianity
[01:25:27] >> in someone's life is to trust in what
[01:25:29] Christ has done. And out of love for
[01:25:31] what Christ has done, then you'll do
[01:25:33] good works. By the way, I'm I'm really
[01:25:35] I'm really struck by a quote from Peter
[01:25:38] Craft who said this about what evil can
[01:25:42] do in our lives to help us become more
[01:25:44] like Christ. He said this. He said, "The
[01:25:45] point of our lives is not comfort,
[01:25:48] security, or even happiness, but
[01:25:50] training. Not fulfillment, but
[01:25:52] preparation. This world is a lousy home,
[01:25:55] but it's a fine gymnasium."
[01:26:00] Well, well, Frank, um, I just want to
[01:26:02] say again, I know you've got to catch a
[01:26:04] flight here, so God bless you, my
[01:26:07] friend. Thank you for joining us. Thank
[01:26:08] you for being such a rock in Charlie's
[01:26:10] life. Uh, I I'll say it. You don't have
[01:26:13] to give them any heat. I'm sorry about
[01:26:15] the conspiracy theories specifically
[01:26:17] around you and some of my other friends
[01:26:18] that were around the table. Um, they are
[01:26:21] utter garbage and we stand by you 100%,
[01:26:24] my friend. And uh just thank you for
[01:26:27] being just an amazing guy and you meant
[01:26:28] so much to Charlie and and we'll see you
[01:26:31] in a few days.
[01:26:32] >> Thank you, brother.
[01:26:33] >> Thank you, Tucker. Thank you, Blake.
[01:26:35] Thanks, Frank.
[01:26:35] >> God bless you guys.
[01:26:36] >> Thank you.
[01:26:36] >> Thank you. All right. Uh I have a clip
[01:26:40] of Charlie talking exactly about what
[01:26:42] we're talking about, and we're going to
[01:26:43] play it in about 5 seconds.
[01:26:45] >> Nice.
[01:26:46] [Music]
[01:27:03] So Charlie was very well aware of the
[01:27:06] existence of evil obviously so were us
[01:27:09] on his team. You know there's a by the
[01:27:10] way just one other conspiracy theory I
[01:27:12] just want to snuff out here. one of our
[01:27:15] dear friends that literally from the
[01:27:18] very beginning started with us and love
[01:27:22] Charlie like a brother. He grabbed the
[01:27:25] SD cards out of the camera afterwards
[01:27:28] and there's all these conspiracy videos
[01:27:30] about why did he grab the SD cards?
[01:27:32] Well, first of all, they're in the
[01:27:34] possession of the FBI. Okay, it's not
[01:27:36] like he took them and like ran off with
[01:27:38] them. Second of all, I asked him
[01:27:39] personally. I said, "Why did you do
[01:27:41] that?" And he looked at me and this was
[01:27:43] his answer. He said, "Because I know
[01:27:45] people can be evil."
[01:27:47] And he did not want that footage being
[01:27:50] grabbed by somebody. There was videos of
[01:27:51] people after the incident going and
[01:27:53] stealing hats off the table. I mean, so
[01:27:56] I'm so grateful he did that and that
[01:27:59] that was his instinct. He's like, I'm
[01:28:01] depressed to know that that was why I
[01:28:03] did that, but I knew that I had to
[01:28:05] protect that footage because I know I
[01:28:07] wanted I mean, you know, you're
[01:28:08] recording in like 4K, you know, and so
[01:28:11] I'm so glad he did that. But Charlie
[01:28:13] knew the existence of evil. And so
[01:28:15] >> can I say I think that people can feel
[01:28:17] the existence of evil in that just to
[01:28:19] put in a sympathetic word for people who
[01:28:21] are trying to make sense of this and
[01:28:22] coming to the wrong conclusions. I think
[01:28:24] they're motivated for the most part by
[01:28:26] pure intent. I think they don't trust
[01:28:29] the authorities. They have every reason
[01:28:30] to feel that way. I know that for a
[01:28:32] fact. Not the Trump administration in
[01:28:34] general. Like
[01:28:35] >> yeah,
[01:28:35] >> we're not, you know, there's been a lot
[01:28:36] of lying and it's corroded the trust.
[01:28:39] That's not their fault. Actually,
[01:28:40] they're the victims of it.
[01:28:41] >> Good point. Thank you for saying that.
[01:28:43] >> Um, they're of course bad actors who are
[01:28:45] doing it for clicks or whatever. But I I
[01:28:47] guess but there are far more people who
[01:28:50] love Charlie. They loved what he stood
[01:28:53] for. They feel like he was murdered by
[01:28:55] evil. They're absolutely right. They're
[01:28:57] not sure what variety of evil. There's
[01:28:59] no authoritative person to tell them.
[01:29:01] So, I guess I'm just not surprised at
[01:29:02] all. This is a message I've told to a
[01:29:04] lot of people.
[01:29:06] This is what happens when you lie too
[01:29:08] much and you hide too much. And going
[01:29:10] forward, I just want everybody with
[01:29:12] power to be honest in the way that
[01:29:14] Charlie was honest about themselves.
[01:29:17] That will do more than anything to fix
[01:29:20] this, to make people love each other and
[01:29:22] hear each other. And if people are
[01:29:24] honest, it we got here because of lying.
[01:29:27] And the only antidote is truth. And so a
[01:29:31] truth about yourself, not about other
[01:29:32] people. Stop talking about other people.
[01:29:34] Admit who you are. And once you do that,
[01:29:37] people can feel that and they
[01:29:39] immediately, as they did with Charlie,
[01:29:41] they respond to it. They're like, "I
[01:29:42] believe you because you're honest about
[01:29:43] you." Anyway, I want that.
[01:29:47] >> Yeah. I a buddy of mine just said
[01:29:49] something that I I think is really
[01:29:51] profound. He said, "Two people, and I
[01:29:53] believe this about you, too, Tucker,
[01:29:54] which is why you're so important, but
[01:29:57] two people can say the same could say
[01:29:59] the same thing." two just as imagine
[01:30:01] Charlie Kirk 30 million followers across
[01:30:04] social media and somebody else also very
[01:30:06] prominent.
[01:30:06] >> Yes.
[01:30:07] >> And they would say the same thing but
[01:30:09] when Charlie said it it would echo and
[01:30:11] ripple across the world. Yeah. Because
[01:30:14] we're all like we're all animals by the
[01:30:16] way. And so so much of what we know we
[01:30:18] receive non-verbbally. We can smell each
[01:30:20] other. We can feel the vibe. I don't
[01:30:22] care if that sounds flaky. It's true. My
[01:30:24] dogs can do it and so can you. And if a
[01:30:26] deceptive man is speaking I don't
[01:30:28] believe what he says. even if it's
[01:30:29] factually accurate. And if an honest man
[01:30:31] is speaking, I know it. I can feel it.
[01:30:34] >> That's why everyone loves Blake despite
[01:30:36] his eccentricity. You're honest.
[01:30:38] >> He's not He is honest. He's not a liar.
[01:30:40] And Charlie was the same. And we just
[01:30:42] know that. You can't dissuade me of
[01:30:44] that. I know that's true.
[01:30:45] >> Let's go ahead and play cut 20. This is
[01:30:47] Charlie talking about the existence of
[01:30:49] evil revealing God's presence.
[01:30:52] >> As Christians, ethical monotheists, we
[01:30:55] have the problem of evil. Atheists have
[01:30:59] evil no problem. On the atheist side,
[01:31:02] they can't say that evil actually exists
[01:31:04] because without God, if God does not
[01:31:06] exist, then we are nothing more than
[01:31:08] just a clump of cells and there is no
[01:31:11] such thing as evil. You only know
[01:31:13] something is evil if you have good to
[01:31:16] compare it to. If I have a piece of
[01:31:18] paper and I draw a crooked line, how do
[01:31:21] you know this line is crooked? You
[01:31:23] immediately look at it, you say, "That's
[01:31:24] a crooked squiggly line." only because
[01:31:27] in your mind you know
[01:31:30] what a straight line is. If you don't
[01:31:32] believe in God, then you say evil's no
[01:31:34] problem. But if you are upset with it,
[01:31:36] you actually are implying that you
[01:31:37] believe in God. You might be angry at
[01:31:39] God. You might be wrestling with God.
[01:31:42] You might think that God is unjust.
[01:31:44] That's a completely different thing than
[01:31:47] not believing in God.
[01:31:50] There's no one who doesn't believe in
[01:31:52] God. Everyone believes in God because
[01:31:54] the spirit of God is within us because
[01:31:56] he made us. The divine spark exists
[01:31:58] whether you acknowledge it or not. So
[01:31:59] your options are three. Either you
[01:32:01] acknowledge it and try to live by it.
[01:32:03] You ignore it and numb yourself or you
[01:32:06] rage against it. And so that would be
[01:32:07] the atheists, the agnostics, and the
[01:32:10] Christians in reverse order. And you can
[01:32:12] see them immediately. You know, the the
[01:32:15] agnostics are numb, the atheists are
[01:32:16] enraged, and the Christians have peace.
[01:32:18] But your op you don't have any other
[01:32:20] options because it's just real. It
[01:32:22] pre-exists you and every single person
[01:32:25] feels it.
[01:32:28] Welcome back radio.
[01:32:38] All right, welcome back to the Charlie
[01:32:40] Kirk show. Andrew Kulvette,
[01:32:43] executive producer of the show. My good
[01:32:45] friend Blake Nef, another producer of
[01:32:47] the show. And of course, the great good
[01:32:50] friend, wonderful man. Um, honestly,
[01:32:53] Tucker, thank you so much for making the
[01:32:55] time. By the way, everything we've asked
[01:32:57] of you,
[01:32:58] >> you just said whatever I could do. Yes,
[01:32:59] I'll clear my schedule. Yes, absolutely.
[01:33:01] And, um, that's a that's just how you
[01:33:03] are, and I love that about you.
[01:33:04] >> Well, I want to get on the road. I mean,
[01:33:06] my favorite thing that Charlie did in
[01:33:07] his professional life was get out and
[01:33:09] physically speak to people in their
[01:33:11] physical presence. I think that's so
[01:33:12] important. I love the internet, I guess.
[01:33:14] Um, pretend to love the internet. I hate
[01:33:15] it. But mostly I love being with people
[01:33:18] physically and smelling them. And he was
[01:33:20] like the last person who really loved
[01:33:22] that
[01:33:22] >> and he got murdered and I just I grieve
[01:33:25] his death of course but I also am really
[01:33:29] concerned that that whole thing will
[01:33:30] die. It's so important to be there
[01:33:32] physically like ask me anything in my
[01:33:35] physical presence and so I'm doing that
[01:33:38] for you guys. I'll do as much as you
[01:33:40] want because I just really believe in
[01:33:42] that. Well, you you uh we were going to
[01:33:45] save that for Monday, but I so they
[01:33:48] announced
[01:33:49] >> I'm not much of a planner,
[01:33:50] >> but yeah. So, breaking news.
[01:33:52] >> If you guys want me to go out there, I
[01:33:54] will do it.
[01:33:54] >> Yeah. Breaking news here. Tucker Carlson
[01:33:57] uh will be a part of continuing
[01:33:59] Charlie's legacy by uh touring uh with
[01:34:02] us
[01:34:03] >> wherever you want.
[01:34:04] >> Um it'll be at least one stop. We'll say
[01:34:06] it like that
[01:34:07] >> during grouse season. And so that's like
[01:34:09] the ultimate expression of love. Talk
[01:34:10] about laying down your life.
[01:34:13] >> You must love, you know, take take up
[01:34:15] your cross daily. So, I want I want to I
[01:34:19] want to pivot this conversation to uh
[01:34:21] Charlie's wife.
[01:34:22] >> Yes.
[01:34:22] >> Erica Kirk. Um and I joked yesterday or
[01:34:25] Yeah. on thought crime. I got a little
[01:34:27] you guys you guys razed me about it, but
[01:34:28] I was quoting Blake and cuz it came out.
[01:34:31] It was just this like amazing thing and
[01:34:33] I I I should know better than to air
[01:34:36] private conversations publicly, but
[01:34:38] Blake Erica was referenced and Blake
[01:34:40] just goes,
[01:34:41] >> "What a woman,
[01:34:43] >> dude. She's unbelievable.
[01:34:45] >> She's amazing.
[01:34:45] >> I was in Phoenix, flying to Phoenix for
[01:34:47] something else and Charlie texted me on
[01:34:49] the plane and said, "I heard you're
[01:34:50] coming to Phoenix." Cuz he knew
[01:34:51] everybody. I was like, "How do you know
[01:34:52] that?" He goes, "Do you have time for
[01:34:54] lunch?" "Yes." I had nothing to do with
[01:34:56] him, was not here for turning point at
[01:34:57] all. And so I meet him at lunch with his
[01:34:59] girlfriend Erica and he wants me to
[01:35:02] introduce me to her. And I called Susie,
[01:35:04] my wife, after. And I was like, because
[01:35:05] my long-standing view has been, you
[01:35:08] know, it's critical, like I really
[01:35:09] believe in marriage, but not for like
[01:35:10] syrupy reasons. Like I think it really
[01:35:12] matters. I was like, that chick is a
[01:35:15] star. I mean, she was just like, no,
[01:35:19] this is what's true. And that's not
[01:35:22] true. I mean, she is tough is not
[01:35:24] exactly the right word because it's from
[01:35:26] love. It's from Christian faith. It's
[01:35:28] from faith in Jesus. But it like oh man
[01:35:33] oh my gosh unwavering.
[01:35:35] >> And and uh you want to know a crazy you
[01:35:37] want to know a crazy thing I just
[01:35:39] realized last night?
[01:35:40] >> So
[01:35:42] Andrew Breitbart dies in 2012. that
[01:35:46] March 1st
[01:35:47] >> that inspires Charlie Kirk to start
[01:35:49] Turning Point USA in 2012.
[01:35:53] >> Guess what else happened in 2012? And we
[01:35:55] talk about people getting prepared in
[01:35:56] these little like nuggets that you you
[01:35:58] think about. I just realized this. Erica
[01:36:00] Kirk won Miss Arizona in 2012 and hung
[01:36:05] out with Donald Trump in 2012 because of
[01:36:08] that.
[01:36:08] >> I know. And so I don't know there there
[01:36:10] are no coincidences and it but you can
[01:36:13] just see how God was preparing them and
[01:36:16] and you know Erica as well you know
[01:36:18] Erica grew up with a single mom.
[01:36:22] >> Yeah.
[01:36:23] >> And so
[01:36:25] you know obviously he wanted Charlie's
[01:36:29] kids to know their father in a deep and
[01:36:31] profound personal way. But Erica is
[01:36:34] uniquely even in the midst of that
[01:36:36] tragedy is uniquely able to navigate
[01:36:39] that even just conceptually and
[01:36:41] emotionally something I've talked to her
[01:36:42] about and it's it's powerful even
[01:36:44] hearing her as she's working these
[01:36:47] pieces out and I again I don't want to
[01:36:48] share too much privately. So they said
[01:36:50] this publicly and I just love it and I
[01:36:53] shared this on Twitter uh X the other
[01:36:55] day and it went viral. So uh let's go
[01:36:57] ahead and play cut uh 19. One of my
[01:36:59] favorite interactions between Charlie
[01:37:01] and Erica.
[01:37:02] >> My wife joins us, Erica Kirk. The
[01:37:05] beautiful, legendary Erica.
[01:37:06] >> I love you so much.
[01:37:08] >> I love you.
[01:37:08] >> You're my best friend.
[01:37:09] >> Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. We
[01:37:10] have asked the audience for questions.
[01:37:12] You pick one.
[01:37:13] >> Who is more conservative and why?
[01:37:15] >> Erica.
[01:37:18] >> Yes.
[01:37:19] >> By far. Not even close. I am a moderate
[01:37:22] compared to Erica.
[01:37:24] >> Andrew always jokes that once you got
[01:37:26] married to me, you got more base.
[01:37:27] >> That's true. That is true. No, Erica is
[01:37:30] very conservative. Do Do you think
[01:37:32] having kids made you more conservative?
[01:37:34] >> 100%.
[01:37:36] Which I didn't think was possible,
[01:37:39] >> but 100%. Absolutely.
[01:37:41] >> And do you think
[01:37:42] >> And a better wife.
[01:37:43] >> Mhm.
[01:37:45] >> Boy, that's the realest thing ever. It's
[01:37:48] hard to talk about your marriage because
[01:37:49] no one believes you. Of course, because
[01:37:51] it's like it's your wife. You can't say
[01:37:52] anything bad. But like I just know for a
[01:37:55] fact that that's true.
[01:37:56] >> It's really true.
[01:37:57] >> Yeah.
[01:37:58] Yeah. And by the way, I should note
[01:38:00] because I can't control myself that
[01:38:01] there was a picture of them in Maine,
[01:38:03] which they loved.
[01:38:05] >> That makes me sad.
[01:38:06] >> Yeah. Well, Charlie was a bad He was bad
[01:38:08] at vacations.
[01:38:09] >> Yeah. Terrible at vacation.
[01:38:11] >> So, he was in Maine this summer on
[01:38:13] vacation and he was I just loved how it
[01:38:16] kept like, "Oh, well, okay, Fox and
[01:38:18] Friends want me wants me to guess. So,
[01:38:19] we're going to take the weekend like the
[01:38:21] best days of the vacation, you know,
[01:38:23] where he could actually maybe and Erica
[01:38:25] was just totally game for it." She was
[01:38:26] like, "Cool. Let's go to New York.
[01:38:27] >> No, they came to my house and I He's
[01:38:29] like, I want to buy a house here. I was
[01:38:30] like, oh, you
[01:38:32] >> got to the state needs you. It's good.
[01:38:36] You know, that I'm sorry that they
[01:38:38] didn't, but
[01:38:39] >> it's just been amazing to hear her talk
[01:38:40] about, you know, not just their
[01:38:43] relationship, but like how as a, you
[01:38:45] know, how they both viewed marriage.
[01:38:46] And, you know, we were saying the last
[01:38:48] the last exchange I had with Charlie by
[01:38:51] text message just on the way to the
[01:38:54] event, he was uh
[01:38:55] >> I was on what what are the best
[01:38:57] arguments for monogamy? And it gets back
[01:38:59] to that, you know, the Christian
[01:39:00] civilization stuff we talked about
[01:39:01] because he loved all the takes I'd give
[01:39:03] him where I'm like, yeah, you know,
[01:39:05] Christian marriage is in the Bible, but
[01:39:07] it it's also this like secret weapon
[01:39:08] that made the West great. And like
[01:39:11] countries that follow Christian
[01:39:12] marriage, like they're amazing, they
[01:39:14] excel, they improve, they get better,
[01:39:16] they have harmony between men and women
[01:39:18] far more than any other civilization. He
[01:39:21] loved all of that. And so I was rattling
[01:39:22] all that off. And I think the last thing
[01:39:24] I got from him is he like hearted a list
[01:39:25] that I posted
[01:39:27] >> and 10 minutes later he was on the
[01:39:29] stage.
[01:39:30] >> Yeah. Yeah. Those I I've looked back at
[01:39:32] those cuz those were I was on that text
[01:39:34] chain and I was chiming in and they were
[01:39:36] the last text that I exchanged with them
[01:39:37] too and it was like 30 minutes before it
[01:39:39] happened and yeah, we were talking about
[01:39:41] marriage. It's a
[01:39:43] >> that is when they talk about you hearing
[01:39:45] Erica talk about it where she she'll say
[01:39:48] stuff that sounds unbelievable to you.
[01:39:49] you know, they'll she's like, "People
[01:39:51] would ask me, you know, did you get mad
[01:39:53] at Charlie cuz he traveled so much and
[01:39:54] was doing so many things?" And she's
[01:39:57] like, "No, I didn't." And it was because
[01:39:59] we were on the same team. We were on the
[01:40:02] same mission. And I would have never
[01:40:04] wanted to in any way be hindering from
[01:40:07] him executing God's mission. And he
[01:40:09] would have never wanted to fail in any
[01:40:12] way in me executing the mission God gave
[01:40:14] me. But she was but when he was present,
[01:40:17] you know, he he practiced Shabbat not
[01:40:19] because he's Jewish, but because he
[01:40:22] needed sort of a a discipline to follow.
[01:40:24] And so from sundown on uh on Friday,
[01:40:27] really all of Saturday, it was like he
[01:40:29] was off. He turns you couldn't call him.
[01:40:32] You couldn't get a hold of him. I mean,
[01:40:33] there was ways if an emergency happened
[01:40:35] that I could get a hold of him,
[01:40:36] >> but
[01:40:37] >> and it was legit.
[01:40:38] >> But it was legit. You'd see the wave of
[01:40:39] him like reading the things you sent on
[01:40:41] like Friday night or Saturday night,
[01:40:43] finally,
[01:40:44] >> blowing you up on Sunday when I try to
[01:40:45] go to church. All of a sudden, Charlie's
[01:40:47] back on. And it was just like, you know,
[01:40:49] and um but but he he gave that time so
[01:40:52] purely and fully to his wife and kids.
[01:40:55] And Erica absorbed every moment of that.
[01:40:59] And I, you know, I told this story
[01:41:00] yesterday and I I do want to like
[01:41:02] clarify something because apparently
[01:41:04] people took it the wrong way. But the
[01:41:07] night it happened, she got a call from a
[01:41:10] very important person. And that very
[01:41:12] important person, I'm not going to say
[01:41:14] who. It maybe isn't who you think, but
[01:41:16] it's a very important person. But asked
[01:41:19] like I, you know, I just have to ask
[01:41:22] like like what do you know? And he
[01:41:26] wasn't talking about some conspiracy
[01:41:27] theory. We didn't even they hadn't even
[01:41:29] got that the shooter at this point. And
[01:41:31] that's a fair question. He was asking,
[01:41:32] "What do you know about Turning Point?
[01:41:35] What do you know about what Charlie was
[01:41:36] doing politically? What do you know
[01:41:38] about the donors? What do you know? What
[01:41:40] do you know? Like what are we working?
[01:41:42] What's our starting point here?"
[01:41:44] And she said back, "I know everything."
[01:41:48] >> Thank God.
[01:41:49] >> Because Charlie would spend they would
[01:41:51] walk and they would talk and they they
[01:41:54] would religiously they would walk. As
[01:41:55] Charlie hurt his back, he couldn't run
[01:41:56] anymore. He used to run like 7 to 10
[01:41:58] miles a day. When I first started
[01:41:59] working with Charlie, he would just be
[01:42:01] gone running. And he hurt his back. He
[01:42:02] couldn't do it. So, they would walk
[01:42:03] together. And if you ever walked with
[01:42:05] Charlie, the guy could keep a pace. The
[01:42:07] guy big long legs and he just and and
[01:42:10] they would talk and they would lay in
[01:42:11] bed and they would talk and he told he
[01:42:14] she was his vault and she knows
[01:42:17] everything.
[01:42:18] >> She has the same spirit. So, when when
[01:42:21] that was announced, I heard that she was
[01:42:23] taking over, I was just I was just
[01:42:25] elated. It's not an attack on anyone
[01:42:27] else, by the way, or a reference to any
[01:42:29] of the interessine battles currently
[01:42:32] going on. Um, which I'm trying to not
[01:42:34] think about. It's just the the fact the
[01:42:37] provable fact that she had the same
[01:42:39] spirit and the same goals, same mission
[01:42:41] that he had. That is just true.
[01:42:43] >> Just more based.
[01:42:46] >> Let me I just want without, you know,
[01:42:48] whatever but getting into it. But I just
[01:42:50] want to affirm that. I just saw that
[01:42:52] recently yet again. And uh I'm just so
[01:42:55] thankful that she's taking over because
[01:42:57] it's it's a big deal. I saw Trump on
[01:43:00] Monday. He said, "I couldn't got elected
[01:43:01] without Charlie Kirk." And I, you know,
[01:43:03] he's not prone to say things like that.
[01:43:05] He meant it.
[01:43:05] >> Wow. Yeah.
[01:43:08] >> JD said the same thing. Yeah. With Jesse
[01:43:10] and I know JD uh feels that. And you
[01:43:13] know, it's just been amazing too to see
[01:43:16] Washington, you know, the power center,
[01:43:18] the imperial capital as Charlie always
[01:43:20] used to say. By the way, Charlie hated
[01:43:21] going to Washington. hated it. He loved
[01:43:24] being out here in Phoenix. Thought it
[01:43:26] was like our secret weapon. Well,
[01:43:27] besides you being the secret weapon, it
[01:43:29] was our secret weapon to be outside of
[01:43:30] that bubble. And yet somehow
[01:43:34] all of Washington is coming to him.
[01:43:36] >> You know, can I say one thing? I
[01:43:38] shouldn't even get involved in this, but
[01:43:39] it's a fact, so I want to say it. He
[01:43:41] loved JD Vance. He loved Donald Trump.
[01:43:43] Of course, often said it, but he he
[01:43:45] really loved
[01:43:46] >> the stuff he would talk about in in
[01:43:47] private, and some of that would, you
[01:43:48] know, bubble out. you know, we he loves
[01:43:50] telling the story of the first time he
[01:43:52] endorsed him for office. Uh, and in case
[01:43:55] people haven't heard it, it's such a
[01:43:56] great story where uh, you know, Vance
[01:43:58] has announced he's running in Ohio for
[01:44:00] Senate. And it's a very long shot bid at
[01:44:02] this point. I think he pulled at two or
[01:44:04] three%. He comes in, he meets Charlie,
[01:44:06] he talks to Tyler, too, and they come
[01:44:08] out and they're like, "He said
[01:44:10] everything we believe. Like, we we've
[01:44:11] got to endorse him. Like, if we're not
[01:44:12] going to endorse this guy, why are we
[01:44:14] even here?" Exactly. and they're
[01:44:15] basically like, you know, they make that
[01:44:16] commit and there's a miscommunication
[01:44:18] because it's a big open senate, you
[01:44:21] know, it's a big Senate race and
[01:44:22] Charlie's got to call a lot of donors
[01:44:24] and, you know, explain why we're doing
[01:44:26] this. We're not going for your guy. This
[01:44:28] isn't to slide on you. You know, manage
[01:44:29] all the
[01:44:30] >> The other guy was their guy for sure.
[01:44:31] >> And instead there's a miscommunication
[01:44:32] and it just goes out like blast turning
[01:44:35] point is endorsing JD Vance and it goes
[01:44:37] out way too early and he is about he's
[01:44:41] like, "Well, we all believe And he's
[01:44:43] just like JD Vance is amazing.
[01:44:45] >> By the way, that you're part of that
[01:44:46] story because it was he saw JD on your
[01:44:49] show
[01:44:50] >> and was like he and it at that point he
[01:44:54] didn't know all the little deep things
[01:44:56] that he believed and he just he kept
[01:44:58] like I remember him saying JD's got like
[01:45:00] something there's something about JD.
[01:45:02] He's got
[01:45:03] >> that is exactly
[01:45:04] >> he's got the goods. And
[01:45:06] >> before you explain why I'm not going to
[01:45:09] get involved just saying he loved
[01:45:11] >> he loved JD. He loved and by the way JD
[01:45:13] loved him and I think you can see that.
[01:45:15] Uh we'll be right back.
[01:45:18] >> So
[01:45:37] All right, welcome back uh to the
[01:45:39] Charlie Kirk show. Um
[01:45:43] do you want to put any a cap on that? I
[01:45:44] know you have a story to tell.
[01:45:45] >> Well, I just I just want to I don't
[01:45:47] think I can emphasize it enough and
[01:45:49] again I'm really going to try because I
[01:45:51] think the point of Charlie's life was
[01:45:53] following Jesus. I just want to say that
[01:45:54] again as someone who knew him well. I
[01:45:56] think the point of his life was
[01:45:58] following Jesus. So, I really want to
[01:46:00] help be helpful to that mission and not
[01:46:02] get distracted with the other stuff. And
[01:46:05] I have distracted with the other stuff
[01:46:07] for sure cuz I feel strongly about it.
[01:46:08] But I'm going to try and stop. But I
[01:46:10] just want to say if you want to
[01:46:12] understand Charlie Kirk, he loved JD
[01:46:15] Vance and Donald Trump, but he was
[01:46:18] genuinely close to JD like as a friend
[01:46:20] and vice versa. And that's that is just
[01:46:22] factually true. And I don't want to hurt
[01:46:24] anybody by going on, but that is that is
[01:46:26] true. and JD earned every ounce of that.
[01:46:30] >> He loved the story and it really meant a
[01:46:32] lot to him. So we had that event in um
[01:46:34] >> it was in June in Detroit last year
[01:46:36] >> in Detroit. The people's convention we
[01:46:37] called it. I I assume that was like
[01:46:39] >> it was pre it was pre him getting
[01:46:41] announced as VP and they were just
[01:46:42] starting to kind of like float his name
[01:46:44] out there.
[01:46:44] >> Yeah. And which Charlie of course very
[01:46:46] much wanted to do and you know he he
[01:46:48] used all of his political talents to try
[01:46:49] to promote that. Um, and one of those
[01:46:52] things is Yeah. invite him to the
[01:46:54] convention and what he always loved
[01:46:55] about it was I think it was it was his
[01:46:58] anniversary either the day before or the
[01:47:00] day after. And so they
[01:47:02] >> Yeah. No, no, it was the day before
[01:47:04] because Yeah. We wanted him on Saturday
[01:47:06] night to be sort of the the the the
[01:47:09] final speaker on Saturday night. And he
[01:47:11] said,
[01:47:11] >> Charlie would love that. He's like,
[01:47:12] "It's my anniversary." I have to be with
[01:47:15] my wife, but I will I will commit to
[01:47:17] getting you getting there on Sunday. And
[01:47:20] Charlie was like, "Great. you could be
[01:47:21] the final speaker of the event. And that
[01:47:23] gave him just enough time to get to
[01:47:25] literally just drive up there, which I
[01:47:28] believe he did he personally himself
[01:47:30] drive the car. And he he gets there and
[01:47:32] like, you know, we're used to a lot of
[01:47:34] people having, you know, entouragees and
[01:47:36] he just shows up. I think he had one aid
[01:47:38] with him.
[01:47:38] >> There's JD.
[01:47:39] >> Yeah. Yeah. He just walks in. He's just
[01:47:40] like, "Hey, Will was with him.
[01:47:42] >> I'm JD Vance. I'm a speaker." I think
[01:47:44] like maybe some security guy didn't
[01:47:45] initially recognize him.
[01:47:46] >> No, he just JD Vance walking by himself
[01:47:49] backstage. was like I I think that's
[01:47:51] where you know he's just kind of like
[01:47:54] strolling in and like we found out he
[01:47:57] drove. He's like oh yeah I was just you
[01:47:58] know
[01:47:59] >> there's never been a less affected
[01:48:00] politician. I always promise myself I'm
[01:48:01] not going to compliment JD Vans because
[01:48:03] I don't want to hurt him but there's
[01:48:04] never been a less affected leader ever
[01:48:07] like period.
[01:48:08] >> I totally agree. I've I've never seen
[01:48:09] one if there is.
[01:48:11] >> But yeah Charlie people would ask
[01:48:13] Charlie a lot you know are you going to
[01:48:16] run for president? are you going to run
[01:48:18] for office or you know like and he would
[01:48:20] always I you will not find one
[01:48:25] piece of content anywhere ever. It
[01:48:27] doesn't exist where he said yeah you
[01:48:29] know what I want to be president
[01:48:30] someday. He would always say, he would
[01:48:32] always, you know, I love what I'm doing,
[01:48:33] like God's called me here, you know, we
[01:48:36] have more impact here, you know, and and
[01:48:39] that was all very true
[01:48:42] privately.
[01:48:44] I had that conversation with him and I
[01:48:48] wouldn't say he answered it with me,
[01:48:50] although that maybe there were some
[01:48:51] other instances where I I I caught an
[01:48:53] inclination,
[01:48:55] but what he said was JD's ready and
[01:48:59] because JD's running, I don't even have
[01:49:01] to think about it. And I don't know if
[01:49:03] that's like I don't know if he said, let
[01:49:05] me say because JD exists, we're going to
[01:49:08] do everything we can. He didn't say that
[01:49:09] he, you know, confirmed or anything, but
[01:49:11] because JD exists, I don't have to think
[01:49:12] about it. And Charlie, you know, was
[01:49:14] such a champion of JD's political
[01:49:17] talents and his his future. And if JD
[01:49:20] does decide to do that, certainly
[01:49:22] Charlie would cheer him on from the
[01:49:23] hereafter. But um yeah, Charlie Charlie
[01:49:26] has a lot of faith in JD Vance.
[01:49:28] >> I always loved his his frankness on just
[01:49:31] topics like that, you know, in the in
[01:49:34] the 2024 primaries. He like he would
[01:49:37] just come out and he's like, "Well, I
[01:49:38] promised Trump that if he ran again in
[01:49:40] 24, I would support him." And so that
[01:49:42] was that. like I made a promise
[01:49:43] >> and if JD chooses to do that then
[01:49:46] >> God bless him and I I would be here to
[01:49:49] to cheer him on. Uh we have our final
[01:49:52] radio segment of the day.
[01:49:53] >> Are you serious?
[01:49:54] >> It goes fast. Yeah.
[01:49:56] >> But I have this great clip of Charlie
[01:49:57] that we're going to play. So we'll be
[01:49:59] right back.
[01:50:07] >> Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show.
[01:50:09] This is Andrew Kovvet,
[01:50:11] uh, the executive producer of this fine
[01:50:13] show. And we have Tucker Carlson, the
[01:50:17] great Tucker Carlson, the great Blake
[01:50:18] Nef here. And I'm going to play one clip
[01:50:21] and then Tucker, you're going to take us
[01:50:22] home. Okay. So, play cut two. This is
[01:50:25] Charlie talking about his lovely wife
[01:50:27] Erica. My wife is the best person ever,
[01:50:29] and she's a patriot, and she's a
[01:50:31] believer, and we don't want to have to
[01:50:33] be accountable to God when this life
[01:50:35] passes. And he asks, "Why did you not
[01:50:37] trust in me?" and not fight evil because
[01:50:39] we as Christians are called to fight
[01:50:41] evil. It's one of the less lesserk known
[01:50:43] scriptures. Psalm 97:10, for those of
[01:50:44] you that love God, you must hate evil.
[01:50:46] >> Yep. Amen.
[01:50:47] >> And again, everyone is called to
[01:50:48] something different in the body of
[01:50:49] Christ. Some people are called to heal
[01:50:52] the sick. Some people are called to mend
[01:50:54] broken marriages. Some people are called
[01:50:56] to do outright hot gospel teaching. My
[01:50:59] call is to fight evil and to proclaim
[01:51:01] truth. That's it.
[01:51:06] who has that clarity of purpose, you
[01:51:08] know, at that age who it's such a rare
[01:51:11] gift. It I think it is a gift. It's not
[01:51:13] detracting from the choices that he
[01:51:15] made, but like he knew what his purpose
[01:51:18] on this earth was. He worked tirelessly
[01:51:21] to fulfill that tirelessly. I can't
[01:51:24] overstate that as someone with a similar
[01:51:26] gig. Like, I've never seen a man work
[01:51:28] harder and with greater self-sacrifice,
[01:51:30] with greater self-discipline. And it all
[01:51:32] flowed from his belief that this is not
[01:51:35] pointless. We are there's a race that we
[01:51:38] have to run. And he I mean he left us in
[01:51:40] midstride. I thought that that night and
[01:51:44] I was heartbroken and h struggling
[01:51:47] even now to control myself. Excuse me.
[01:51:50] But I had that image that day. I was on
[01:51:55] a plane when it happened of him going
[01:51:58] like that, you know, leaving this earth
[01:52:01] in that position in midstride. And that
[01:52:03] is as tragic and overwhelming as it is,
[01:52:07] that is such a gift. Like may that be
[01:52:10] the end of my life too in all of our
[01:52:12] lives to to leave in midst of purpose,
[01:52:16] in midst of forward motion. You know,
[01:52:18] very few people get that and you know,
[01:52:20] in this case at 31, it's unimaginable.
[01:52:22] Um, however, that is something that I
[01:52:25] know that I want and I think that every
[01:52:27] person who thinks about it wants that,
[01:52:29] too. And so, I'm I'm grateful for that.
[01:52:34] >> Well, you know, you have um you have a
[01:52:38] special place in the
[01:52:40] the Turning Point family, Tucker. I know
[01:52:42] you know that you have you had a special
[01:52:45] place in Charlie's heart. And I just
[01:52:47] want to address one thing before we go
[01:52:49] here. We got like two two and a half
[01:52:51] minutes left. That there was pressure
[01:52:55] put on Charlie, you know, about you
[01:52:58] appearing at Turning Point.
[01:52:59] >> Oh, you think?
[01:53:00] >> And and he's such a Scott about it. So,
[01:53:03] he's just like, "Oh, they're putting
[01:53:04] pressure on me, so I've got to I've got
[01:53:06] to double down."
[01:53:07] >> He was like, you know, some of the some
[01:53:09] of the funny text messages that we found
[01:53:10] since then, he goes, "Oh, they don't
[01:53:12] want me to have Tucker. Oh, maybe I'll
[01:53:13] have him speak twice." You know, and um
[01:53:16] >> and he just said that to me.
[01:53:18] >> Yeah. He just loved you and there was,
[01:53:20] you know, and and that was with the
[01:53:21] hardest thing to explain to people that,
[01:53:23] you know, maybe didn't like your views
[01:53:25] on foreign policy or whatever.
[01:53:26] >> Didn't like my views on foreign policy.
[01:53:28] >> I'm trying to be diplomatic here, Doug.
[01:53:31] Embrace it. Embrace it. Embrace it. Um,
[01:53:34] embrace it. And and but I just, you
[01:53:36] know, Charlie, this was the hardest
[01:53:38] thing to explain is that like guys, you
[01:53:40] don't understand like Charlie's mission
[01:53:42] is three steps down. He's he's keeping a
[01:53:45] coalition together. He's keeping friends
[01:53:47] together. He's keeping networks
[01:53:48] together. He's he's a statesman and he's
[01:53:51] not he's not going to knee-jerk and be
[01:53:54] morally blackmailed by anybody. And if
[01:53:56] you and if you do it, he will double
[01:53:59] down. And you saw it in that clip. My
[01:54:01] mission is to confront evil.
[01:54:03] >> Oh yes.
[01:54:03] >> And to proclaim the truth
[01:54:04] >> wherever it is. Yes. And um and I would
[01:54:07] just tell people listen you might think
[01:54:10] one thing fine but Charlie and Tucker
[01:54:14] are deeply deeply on a very personal
[01:54:17] level friends and Charlie is loyal. Oh
[01:54:19] yeah.
[01:54:20] >> And if you go down this route don't be a
[01:54:22] don't be surprised when you have Tucker
[01:54:24] having three speeches on three different
[01:54:26] nights at Afest. You know, like when I
[01:54:29] was a kid, I drove my in high school, I
[01:54:31] drove my car into a white pine in Maine
[01:54:34] going about 40.
[01:54:35] >> And I remember thinking it total the
[01:54:37] car. And I remember thinking, "Wow, the
[01:54:38] tree just doesn't move. It doesn't
[01:54:40] matter how hard you hit it." And that
[01:54:42] was Charlie. He was just a towering
[01:54:44] white pine man. He was just not It
[01:54:46] didn't matter how hard you hit him. Just
[01:54:47] wasn't wasn't moving. I There's few
[01:54:50] things I respect more than that.
[01:54:53] >> Well,
[01:54:55] Tucker, it's been a pleasure. one of my
[01:54:57] favorite shows and I think it was so
[01:54:59] fitting that you capped off the week and
[01:55:01] um I know you're going to be speaking uh
[01:55:03] at his celebration
[01:55:05] >> about Jesus not politics to be clear
[01:55:08] >> about so glad that we could take some
[01:55:09] time to talk about Jesus not politics
[01:55:12] because that's the whole point
[01:55:13] >> well it's funny when I first started
[01:55:16] being around you the way you would talk
[01:55:18] about faith was much more reticent and
[01:55:21] reserved and Charlie has made a convert
[01:55:25] out of you and you proclaiming the truth
[01:55:27] as well as any preacher I've ever heard.
[01:55:28] So, thank you, Dr. Carlson. May God
[01:55:30] bless you.
[01:55:31] >> May God bless
[01:55:33] >> the reach of your word.
[01:55:35] >> Thank you.
[01:55:37] >> Thanks so much. Talk to you soon.
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