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[00:00:04] Matt Gates, thank you for doing this.
[00:00:06] >> Good to be with you.
[00:00:07] >> I haven't seen you in a while. Um,
[00:00:08] >> especially in Florida.
[00:00:10] >> Especially in Florida. Exactly.
[00:00:12] >> Um, so I just want to start with a clip
[00:00:15] that I saw this morning, uh, that I
[00:00:18] think is amazing and tells you a lot
[00:00:20] about a lot. This is from the Jerusalem
[00:00:22] Post Washington Conference this weekend.
[00:00:24] The man speaking is a guy called Yehuda
[00:00:26] Kaplan, uh, who I don't think I' ever
[00:00:29] heard of before, but now apparently
[00:00:30] works at the State Department in the
[00:00:32] Office to Fight Anti-semitism, which I
[00:00:34] guess part of State Department. Um, and
[00:00:37] here's what he said. Watch this. I get
[00:00:38] off a plane. I am the president's
[00:00:41] representative and I am walking off with
[00:00:42] a Yamula
[00:00:44] and I have kosher food and embassies
[00:00:46] will have kosher food.
[00:00:48] It is a gamecher. The appointment is a
[00:00:51] gamecher and it's not about history.
[00:00:56] [applause]
[00:00:57] It's it's about education and how do we
[00:00:59] educate? Indonesia has 350 million
[00:01:02] Muslims living in the country. How do we
[00:01:04] change their textbooks? How do we hold
[00:01:07] the people in Gaza accountable that if
[00:01:10] America is paying for UN textbooks and
[00:01:13] supposedly the changes are made, why are
[00:01:15] those textbooks not being used and why
[00:01:17] are they using their old textbooks? We
[00:01:19] have to teach people it's not okay to
[00:01:21] educate your kids to be a martyr.
[00:01:24] Okay? And we have to hold those
[00:01:26] countries accountable. How do we battle
[00:01:29] anti-semitism on the internet? How are
[00:01:34] we doing better on algorithms? What
[00:01:36] companies can we work with? We are going
[00:01:38] to have a whole division within the
[00:01:39] office of the special envoy to combat
[00:01:42] anti-semitism that is going to work on
[00:01:45] technology
[00:01:47] and working with the greatest leaders in
[00:01:49] technology, many of whom are Jewish and
[00:01:51] have offered their assistance. The
[00:01:53] office is going to be revamped entirely
[00:01:55] to be one of the highest profile offices
[00:01:57] in the state department. Nothing will
[00:01:59] convince Indonesia to come our way like
[00:02:01] sending Rabbi Yehuda is probably my my
[00:02:04] >> How do we hold the people of Gaza
[00:02:06] accountable?
[00:02:07] >> So there there is truth to the claim
[00:02:09] that in the pedagogy that is
[00:02:11] administered in a lot of places there's
[00:02:14] incitement. Uh Maya the martyr is a
[00:02:16] character no doubt and that is awful and
[00:02:18] US taxpayers shouldn't fund it and we
[00:02:21] ought to hold anyone accountable who
[00:02:23] does. At the same time, uh, like the the
[00:02:27] definition of anti-semitism,
[00:02:30] uh, in recent times, according to some
[00:02:32] of the Israel first crowd in the United
[00:02:34] States has really migrated. Like this
[00:02:36] isn't my line, but I certainly associate
[00:02:37] it with anti-semitism used to mean
[00:02:40] somebody who didn't like Jews. Now it
[00:02:42] just means somebody Jews don't like. And
[00:02:44] that's not a standard that we can live
[00:02:47] with because
[00:02:50] um
[00:02:52] because the reason anti-semitism is
[00:02:54] terrible. It's against my religion. I'm
[00:02:55] totally opposed to it. And by the way,
[00:02:57] it does result in violence. I think we
[00:02:59] just saw that and I hate it. But it's
[00:03:01] anti-semitism is wrong because hating
[00:03:04] anyone on the basis of their DNA is
[00:03:06] always wrong. It's a universal
[00:03:07] principle. It does not apply to one
[00:03:08] group, my group, or your group. It
[00:03:10] applies to all groups. And if it doesn't
[00:03:12] apply to all groups, then it's not a
[00:03:13] principle and I can just ignore it.
[00:03:15] Right. That's the problem I have here.
[00:03:17] >> Yeah. But the US ambassador to France,
[00:03:20] uh Jared Kushner's father says that
[00:03:22] anti-ionism is anti-semitism. Uh and I
[00:03:26] don't believe that. I think that you can
[00:03:27] be critical of foreign policy choices
[00:03:29] that a country makes without the
[00:03:31] assumption that you hate the religion or
[00:03:34] the ethnic group associated with that
[00:03:36] that country. Like when I was critical
[00:03:39] of Joe Biden, that didn't make me
[00:03:40] anti-atholic. And when I'm critical of
[00:03:42] Benjamin Netanyahu, that doesn't make me
[00:03:44] anti-Semitic.
[00:03:45] >> Well, I agree with that. And I I do
[00:03:47] think there has been a rise, just I just
[00:03:49] notice it, in people hating Jews,
[00:03:52] disliking Jews, anti-semitism. I think
[00:03:54] that's real in the United States. But I
[00:03:59] think you could probably fix that in a
[00:04:01] week.
[00:04:02] >> How? by getting Jewish groups like the
[00:04:06] ADL, like the American Jewish Congress,
[00:04:10] like whatever group Yehuda Kaplan runs
[00:04:13] to come out against anti-white hate,
[00:04:16] which is institutionalized in the United
[00:04:17] States. And if you had the ADL and the
[00:04:20] SPLC and these groups that have fought
[00:04:23] against anti-semitism for all these
[00:04:25] years make the obvious and true point
[00:04:28] that hatred of anybody on the basis of
[00:04:30] how they're born is immoral and we won't
[00:04:32] stand for it. And in the United States,
[00:04:34] the institutionalized hate is
[00:04:36] anti-white. Of course, prevented from
[00:04:38] getting jobs, prevented from getting
[00:04:39] federal grants, prevented from getting
[00:04:41] admitted to college. That's still in
[00:04:43] place.
[00:04:44] >> But you know why that hasn't happened?
[00:04:45] >> I don't You know what I don't
[00:04:47] understand? There isn't a sufficient
[00:04:49] monetization path there the way it is
[00:04:51] when the ADL and similarly aligned
[00:04:53] groups try to make the American people
[00:04:55] think that anti-semitism is hiding
[00:04:57] behind
[00:04:57] >> but then so then I know it's not real.
[00:04:59] Okay. So if I get up look if I get up
[00:05:03] and say it's only wrong when people
[00:05:05] attack people like me
[00:05:07] >> then everyone knows that I'm not
[00:05:10] defending a principle I'm defending a
[00:05:12] group interest and I can ignore your
[00:05:14] group's interests. I cannot ignore a
[00:05:16] universal principle. And the universal
[00:05:18] principle is that kind of hatred is
[00:05:20] always wrong no matter who it's aimed
[00:05:21] at. So why doesn't the ADL stand up and
[00:05:24] do that? I would send money to the ADL
[00:05:27] if they did that. I would send money to
[00:05:29] the ADL. I would and I despise the ADL
[00:05:33] because that would be a defense of
[00:05:35] what's true and so needed. Why won't
[00:05:38] they do that?
[00:05:39] >> Well, when you're when you're a witch
[00:05:40] hunter, you have to first convince
[00:05:42] people of the existence of witches. And
[00:05:45] so I think that for the broad goals of
[00:05:47] the ADL, they have to make the country
[00:05:50] believe that we are somehow aligned
[00:05:53] against the Jewish faith uh and against
[00:05:56] >> But what they're saying is it's okay to
[00:05:57] discriminate against white Christians,
[00:05:58] but it's immoral to discriminate against
[00:06:00] Jews. No, it's immoral to discriminate
[00:06:02] against Jews and white Christians and
[00:06:04] black people and Indonesians and every
[00:06:07] group on the basis of their DNA. Period.
[00:06:10] Well, there has to be a villain. And
[00:06:12] that's what white people have become in
[00:06:14] in this really threat constructed
[00:06:17] environment around identity.
[00:06:20] Well, I've I've actually reached out to
[00:06:23] those groups and said, "I will make
[00:06:26] common cause with you. I'll support you.
[00:06:27] I'll send you money if you will just
[00:06:29] defend the principles." And that would
[00:06:31] include defending
[00:06:32] >> No, you never heard these people during
[00:06:34] the DEI.
[00:06:35] >> They didn't say one word. They were for
[00:06:36] it. They were for discriminated against
[00:06:38] whites
[00:06:39] >> because those kids who've been shafted
[00:06:41] by anti-white hate as institutionalized
[00:06:44] in every big company in every government
[00:06:46] agency in the whole United States and
[00:06:49] Western Europe. Those people are mad.
[00:06:53] And where was Yehuda 11 during that?
[00:06:55] Where was Bill Aman during that? And my
[00:06:58] point is come over to the side of
[00:07:01] universal principles of light and truth
[00:07:04] and let's make common cause against all
[00:07:06] forms of hate. And if you won't do that
[00:07:09] then I'm not taking you seriously.
[00:07:10] >> Yeah. And no one should take them
[00:07:12] seriously because they they are an
[00:07:13] advocacy group for a particular ethnic
[00:07:16] group and that is fine.
[00:07:18] >> Well, how's that different from like
[00:07:19] Ilhan Omar and the Somali? Well, uh I I
[00:07:22] think that in a lot of ways there are
[00:07:23] there are similarities when like
[00:07:25] ethnationalism is the objective and
[00:07:28] obviously ethnationalism is the
[00:07:30] objective in Israel. It's the organizing
[00:07:31] principle of the country and but it
[00:07:34] often times people are pursuing the
[00:07:37] policies here in the United States uh
[00:07:38] that that benefit Israel and our own
[00:07:41] interests and the interests of our
[00:07:42] people and the plight you described that
[00:07:44] so many young people have endured is not
[00:07:46] a priority.
[00:07:46] >> White young people, that's why they're
[00:07:48] mad. Why do you think they're mad?
[00:07:49] because they've been told that the
[00:07:51] country they were born in like
[00:07:52] officially discriminates against them.
[00:07:54] That's ongoing.
[00:07:56] I I don't think it's just even white
[00:07:58] people. I think it's it's also non-white
[00:07:59] people who see the attack on white
[00:08:02] culture not as an attack on like
[00:08:05] colonialism, but as an attack on success
[00:08:07] and progress and order. I I know a lot
[00:08:09] of non-white people. They're like,
[00:08:10] "Actually, uh, this this anti-white
[00:08:13] activity that's going on is going to
[00:08:14] make me less prosperous and less safe,
[00:08:17] and I'm kind of here." Like, for all the
[00:08:19] criticisms we as whites have taken,
[00:08:21] >> we did an okay job setting up an orderly
[00:08:24] world, and we made some mistakes along
[00:08:26] the way, and you've got to reconcile
[00:08:27] those. But at the end, uh, what society
[00:08:31] would you replace wi with like what
[00:08:33] we've set up in the Western world? Is
[00:08:35] there is there some like vision of the
[00:08:38] way uh civilizations were built in
[00:08:40] Africa or the Far East that that we
[00:08:42] would we would gleefully adopt?
[00:08:44] >> So imagine moving here cuz it's a white
[00:08:46] country founded by white people
[00:08:48] >> and getting here and being like, "Yeah,
[00:08:50] I want I want to be part of that and
[00:08:52] which I get 100%." And then you get here
[00:08:55] and the first thing you learn is white
[00:08:56] people are bad.
[00:08:57] >> Yeah.
[00:08:58] >> Right. I mean that must be weird. It
[00:09:00] >> I it's it I I think that this is
[00:09:02] shifting the other way. I really think
[00:09:04] during the excesses of the post George
[00:09:07] Floyd era, uh, people attached so
[00:09:10] strongly to identity and you know, I I
[00:09:14] sense a real push back against that and
[00:09:16] like you you talk about like learning
[00:09:18] it, right? The main place people learn
[00:09:21] still is in the school system. Right
[00:09:22] now, public education is essentially a
[00:09:25] failing enterprise and all of the
[00:09:27] innovation is to take people out of that
[00:09:29] system and then people will self- select
[00:09:31] what they learn and that may be more
[00:09:33] productive. This is one of my closest
[00:09:35] friends. This is Brookie. She's not our
[00:09:38] only dog, but [music] she's our head
[00:09:39] dog. Uh I hunt with her. She sleeps next
[00:09:42] to me in bed every night. She's 4 and a
[00:09:43] half and smarter than any executive at
[00:09:47] Fox News. This is a really [music]
[00:09:48] impressive dog. Uh, but I think we all
[00:09:51] think our dogs are impressive and great
[00:09:52] and we love them and I know that if
[00:09:54] anything ever happened to this [music]
[00:09:55] dog, there would be no limit to what I
[00:09:57] would do to help her. And so vet bills
[00:09:59] can really stack up. Thank heaven she's
[00:10:01] been healthy. But for a lot [music] of
[00:10:03] people, including close friends of mine,
[00:10:04] I can be crushing. And so when we
[00:10:07] started talks [music] with the company
[00:10:09] we're now in partnership with, Dutch
[00:10:11] Pet, about how they're approaching
[00:10:14] veterinary care, $82 a year for
[00:10:18] unlimited [music] care. I just thought
[00:10:20] that can't be real, but it is real.
[00:10:22] Dutch Pet, if you're watching this right
[00:10:24] now, use the code Tucker from this show.
[00:10:26] If you care about your dogs, if you care
[00:10:28] about your animals, if it's, you know,
[00:10:29] if it's real to you, check it out. Um,
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[00:10:32] 82 bucks a year for unlimited veterinary
[00:10:35] care. You'd pay anything, but you
[00:10:37] shouldn't have to. Dutch pet.
[00:10:41] >> I think you're right. So I think what
[00:10:42] you're saying so I'm I was well I want
[00:10:45] to get to the thing that really bothered
[00:10:46] me about the statement from Yehuda
[00:10:47] Kaplan whoever who apparently now runs
[00:10:49] the State Department. He just told us I
[00:10:51] did not vote for this just to be clear.
[00:10:53] Period.
[00:10:54] >> The the
[00:10:55] >> any of what I just saw. Yeah. That guy.
[00:10:57] But but you're saying maybe I should
[00:11:00] calm down a little bit because like who
[00:11:01] cares? History's passing this whole
[00:11:03] conversation by. I I I not saying who
[00:11:06] cares because that was that was a
[00:11:08] disgusting display of uh I think
[00:11:12] parochial interest that you just saw.
[00:11:14] >> Yes, that's correct.
[00:11:15] >> But we see that often so I don't get too
[00:11:17] worked up about it. Uh the the bigger
[00:11:20] issue is that
[00:11:23] >> Rabbi Yehuda would probably classify you
[00:11:25] and I as anti-Semitic because we've been
[00:11:28] critical of some of the policy choices
[00:11:30] of the Israeli government. and that
[00:11:32] broad application of anti-semitism to
[00:11:35] say anti-ionism is anti-semitism
[00:11:37] um to uh to say that even some things in
[00:11:40] the Bible may be deemed anti-semitic if
[00:11:42] they're critical of Jews at any point.
[00:11:45] Uh it's it's so it has created such a
[00:11:50] curiosity among young people to test
[00:11:53] those mores and challenge those dogmas.
[00:11:56] Like I think there are a lot of like the
[00:11:58] Mark Leavvin Israel first crowd who look
[00:12:01] at us and say like we're the problem.
[00:12:03] Tucker and Matt are the problem.
[00:12:04] Actually we're not the problem. The
[00:12:06] problem is you lost us.
[00:12:08] >> I know
[00:12:08] >> you. They show these old videos of you
[00:12:10] being very complimentary of Israel and
[00:12:12] and critical of Israel's critics. I you
[00:12:15] could easily find a lot of my library
[00:12:18] speaking on the floor of the Congress
[00:12:19] supporting a strong and robust US Israel
[00:12:21] relationship. So two people who in our
[00:12:24] 30s were incredibly supportive of this
[00:12:26] relationship have come untethered and it
[00:12:29] is because the relationship has become
[00:12:31] too burdensome and friends should be
[00:12:33] able to tell that to each other and when
[00:12:35] you do that doesn't make you a bad
[00:12:37] friend. I still consider myself
[00:12:39] pro-Israel. I think that what the
[00:12:41] Netanyahu government is doing to Israel
[00:12:43] is bad for Israel. Much in the way the
[00:12:45] United States created more terrorists
[00:12:47] than we killed during the the wars in
[00:12:49] the Middle East that have consumed most
[00:12:52] of my life. I think that is what that is
[00:12:54] the chapter of the book they're in right
[00:12:56] now. This this expansionism and uh the
[00:12:59] adventurism and it ends badly. It ended
[00:13:02] badly for us. You remember we Syria's in
[00:13:05] the news now cuz tragically we've lost
[00:13:07] Americans in uniform uh in in Syria and
[00:13:10] and a translator there as well and
[00:13:12] reasonable people are asking why are we
[00:13:14] still in Syria? What are we doing being
[00:13:16] >> so we can lose troops? That's why
[00:13:18] >> I that is so sick and and
[00:13:21] >> well I I believe that's true.
[00:13:23] >> You believe that that those people are
[00:13:25] there so that they can die and trigger a
[00:13:28] war.
[00:13:28] >> That is correct. And a deeper commitment
[00:13:30] and an emotional commitment. you've lost
[00:13:32] people here in it. Um I do think that
[00:13:35] and I
[00:13:35] >> when we lost someone in Moadishu, did
[00:13:38] that create a deeper emotional
[00:13:39] connection to Somalia or did that caused
[00:13:41] Americans to say, "What are we doing
[00:13:43] patrolling around Mo?"
[00:13:44] >> Well, it allowed the State Department um
[00:13:46] and the rest of the federal government
[00:13:47] and its constellation of NOS's to import
[00:13:50] tens of thousands of Somali into the
[00:13:52] United States because all of a sudden
[00:13:54] >> Well, that had been happening under
[00:13:55] under Clinton, you know, for some time.
[00:13:58] >> Yeah. Well, that right. that I believe
[00:14:02] Blackhawk down was at the during the
[00:14:04] Clinton administration.
[00:14:04] >> Yeah. Right. So, um
[00:14:07] >> yeah, the we now have had military
[00:14:10] action in this country. So, there's a
[00:14:12] the deep and important connection
[00:14:13] between our country and whatever country
[00:14:15] we're killing people in. And so, we need
[00:14:16] to import whoever it is, the Somalis,
[00:14:19] the Montineyards from Vietnam, whatever.
[00:14:21] And by the way, some of those groups
[00:14:22] have done well here, others have not
[00:14:24] done well at all. But the pretext is
[00:14:26] exactly the same. We occupy Haiti
[00:14:28] repeatedly. All of a sudden, we have a
[00:14:29] ton of Haitians. Like, this is how it
[00:14:31] works. We're fooling with Venezuela
[00:14:32] policy. Got a ton of Venezuelans.
[00:14:33] >> Is that Is that the next chapter here?
[00:14:35] Is, you know, you're welcoming a good
[00:14:37] chunk of Syria into the United States. I
[00:14:39] mean, a lot of them are already living
[00:14:40] in Europe.
[00:14:41] >> Yeah. And but let me just say, I' I've
[00:14:43] known a lot of Syrians in my life. A lot
[00:14:45] of Syrian Christians and Alawites and
[00:14:47] moderate Muslims. It's never been a hot
[00:14:49] bit of a religious extremism. Had a
[00:14:51] secular government until last year.
[00:14:52] >> Damascus was a great secular center of
[00:14:55] enlightenment and architecture. A lot of
[00:14:57] the New Testament was written from
[00:14:58] what's now Syria. So it had a you know
[00:15:00] it's had an ancient Christian presence.
[00:15:02] Of course Paul was on his way to
[00:15:03] Damascus when he met Jesus. So like this
[00:15:05] is the Levant. This is not some far
[00:15:07] away. This is on the Mediterranean.
[00:15:09] Okay. This is uh and so I know some
[00:15:12] amazing uh Syrians. Also a lot of like
[00:15:16] war traumatized unemployed and
[00:15:19] unemployable dangerous Syrians and
[00:15:21] they're happen to be living in Berlin
[00:15:22] right now. So like whatever it's it's a
[00:15:24] mixed it's a mixed bag. The only point
[00:15:26] is the soon as you intervene in another
[00:15:28] country, all of a sudden, you know,
[00:15:30] invade the world, import the world
[00:15:31] becomes real.
[00:15:32] >> Yeah. I introduced the legislation in
[00:15:34] Congress to take all of our troops out
[00:15:36] of Syria. It was defeated
[00:15:38] overwhelmingly. And um when was that?
[00:15:40] >> Uh that was uh that was in 2024 uh last
[00:15:44] year. and Anna Paulina Luna, you know,
[00:15:47] others and I took to the floor to
[00:15:49] explain that this would result in
[00:15:50] American deaths that that those deaths
[00:15:52] would not be worth whatever gain is
[00:15:54] attempting to be realized in Syria. In
[00:15:57] Syria, we had troops funded by the
[00:16:00] Pentagon fighting forces funded by the
[00:16:02] CIA. And and Syria is even an example on
[00:16:05] the limits of Russia's interventionism.
[00:16:07] Uh, I, you know, took note of the fact
[00:16:10] that them propping up a government and
[00:16:12] trying to keep it loyal was not
[00:16:13] something that was ultimately
[00:16:14] sustainable for Russia. And so now, um,
[00:16:17] you know, we ought to get our troops
[00:16:19] out. There's no thing that we are
[00:16:21] fighting for there that is an achievable
[00:16:23] win. And what were these guys doing? You
[00:16:25] hear it on the news now, key leader
[00:16:26] engagement. Like, you know what that
[00:16:28] means? That means we've got troops
[00:16:30] wandering around Syria figuring out
[00:16:31] which Betawin leaders to go bribe as a
[00:16:34] part of some coalition we can represent.
[00:16:36] And that is everything Donald Trump is
[00:16:38] against. Donald Trump doesn't want to
[00:16:40] import a bunch of Syrians. He doesn't
[00:16:41] want to control Syria. And I think that
[00:16:44] that there is a lot of the
[00:16:46] military-industrial complex that just
[00:16:48] needs us to be in a state of kind of
[00:16:50] constant latent war everywhere.
[00:16:54] >> Oh, there's no question. And I want to
[00:16:56] ask you
[00:16:56] >> and and by the way, just while I'm on
[00:16:58] the rant, the reason that happens is
[00:17:00] because in Congress there's this great
[00:17:02] sense of difference. It's like if you're
[00:17:03] not on the agriculture committee, you
[00:17:05] defer to those people. If you're not on
[00:17:06] the intelligence committee, you defer to
[00:17:08] those people or the armed services
[00:17:09] committee. And under a system where
[00:17:11] people's specializations were being
[00:17:13] represented in that way, that might
[00:17:15] work, but it's just a function of which
[00:17:17] special interests are are controlling
[00:17:20] which committees and which members of
[00:17:21] Congress. The way you get on the war
[00:17:23] committee is to be for the wars. The way
[00:17:26] you to get on the intelligence committee
[00:17:28] is to be for the intelligence apparatus.
[00:17:30] The way to get on the agriculture
[00:17:32] committee is to be for big food. The way
[00:17:34] to get on the natural resources
[00:17:35] committee is to be against natural
[00:17:36] resources. And then and then when you do
[00:17:39] all of that, you end up with this this
[00:17:41] highly differential system to people who
[00:17:42] were elected by no one who buy off your
[00:17:45] leaders. And those leaders justify it by
[00:17:47] saying, "Well, at least I'm moving up in
[00:17:49] the system." And thus, whatever I do to
[00:17:51] surrender my agency is justified
[00:17:53] >> and and worth it because I can have a
[00:17:54] seat at the table and maybe I can I
[00:17:57] mean, I think the moral justification
[00:17:58] for the person who makes moral
[00:18:00] compromises is well, at least now I'm
[00:18:02] here and I could potentially make things
[00:18:03] better.
[00:18:04] >> Yeah, but you're not even really there
[00:18:06] because you've sold all the shares of
[00:18:07] yourself. You know who else was there?
[00:18:09] Kevin McCarthy. Like he was there until
[00:18:11] he wasn't. The problem is the man had no
[00:18:13] agency because o over such an period of
[00:18:16] time he had sold shares of himself to
[00:18:19] the highest bidder. Are there any
[00:18:20] sovereign leaders in the world that
[00:18:21] you're aware of? Like does any leader
[00:18:23] have the ability to say this is the
[00:18:25] right thing or the wrong thing and I'm
[00:18:26] just going to act according to how I
[00:18:28] feel with like the authority vested in
[00:18:30] me.
[00:18:31] >> Yes.
[00:18:31] >> Really?
[00:18:32] >> Yeah.
[00:18:34] El Salvador Naib Buoull.
[00:18:36] >> Yeah.
[00:18:36] >> I think he has total agency to just do
[00:18:39] things as he says. Huh? How's the
[00:18:42] country doing?
[00:18:43] >> It's doing well. People are safe.
[00:18:45] Investment is coming. Uh you and I have
[00:18:47] spent time there. And uh a lot of time I
[00:18:50] I think that uh it it it is a great case
[00:18:53] study in what happens when uh you know
[00:18:56] when you exercise the type of executive
[00:19:00] power that uh benefits the people. It's
[00:19:03] in a way if it's a dictatorship, it's a
[00:19:05] very benevolent dictatorship and people
[00:19:07] get to vote for against him and they
[00:19:09] vote for him.
[00:19:10] Yeah, they also get to leave. I mean, a
[00:19:12] third of Salvadorans have left over the
[00:19:14] past 40 years, come to the United
[00:19:15] States, and now bunch of them are
[00:19:17] returning. So,
[00:19:18] >> they are. Yeah. I mean, and and by the
[00:19:19] way, like I know out there among your
[00:19:21] supporters and mine, there's a lot of
[00:19:23] angst over like, well, you know, has
[00:19:26] Donald Trump done every single thing I
[00:19:27] ever wanted him to do in this first year
[00:19:29] in office. Like if you would have told
[00:19:30] me back when we were staring at polls
[00:19:33] showing us that Kla Harris was going to
[00:19:34] be the next president of the United
[00:19:35] States that here we would be at the
[00:19:37] conclusion of 2025 with negative net
[00:19:39] migration in this country. And some of
[00:19:41] that indeed is the great work of DHS.
[00:19:43] But a lot of it is the self-deportation
[00:19:45] where Trump has set the ethic in this
[00:19:47] country where if you are not here
[00:19:49] legally, you are not welcome. And a
[00:19:51] bunch of those people are going home.
[00:19:52] And I think that is a great credit to
[00:19:54] the work they've done.
[00:19:54] >> It is. And in the case of El Salvador,
[00:19:56] it's a great credit to the job the
[00:19:58] president of El Salvador has done in
[00:19:59] like improving his country. Yeah. Like
[00:20:01] why not live there?
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[00:21:33] want to get back to one more question
[00:21:35] about the State Department's new office
[00:21:36] on anti-semitism and just say again, I'm
[00:21:38] opposed to anti-semitism every bit as
[00:21:41] much as I'm opposed to anti-white hate,
[00:21:43] which is much more prevalent. Uh, but
[00:21:45] and all of it, anti-lack, anti-Mexican,
[00:21:48] everything, anti- people. But in there,
[00:21:52] he says, "We need to control what people
[00:21:53] say on the internet."
[00:21:54] >> Yes.
[00:21:55] >> And we're going to talk to Jews in the
[00:21:58] He just said that.
[00:21:59] >> It's so funny. It's like, do they really
[00:22:01] think that's going to work? Does anyone
[00:22:04] >> But that's why should the US government
[00:22:05] be trying to censor its own citizens?
[00:22:07] Like I thought that was first of all
[00:22:08] illegal.
[00:22:09] >> I thought we ran against that. That was
[00:22:10] the Biden administration.
[00:22:11] >> But isn't that like how is that
[00:22:12] different from slavery if you can't say
[00:22:15] what you believe?
[00:22:17] >> Yeah. Well, I don't know. It's a form of
[00:22:19] bondage. It's like I'm not treating you
[00:22:20] as as a human being, as a free man if I
[00:22:22] won't allow you to say what you what you
[00:22:24] think.
[00:22:24] >> Well, and
[00:22:25] >> I thought that's what America was. It
[00:22:27] was the place where you could say what
[00:22:28] you think.
[00:22:28] >> Yeah. uh the uh opportunity to do that
[00:22:31] apparently will be con constrained
[00:22:33] worldwide as as Rabbi Yehuda is serving
[00:22:35] you your kosher.
[00:22:36] >> Why should the US State Department I
[00:22:38] thought we were against censorship?
[00:22:41] >> How?
[00:22:41] >> Wait a second. You thought the US State
[00:22:42] Department was against censorship.
[00:22:44] That's not true.
[00:22:44] >> This guy's standing up at some event
[00:22:46] with a bunch of lunatics saying I'm
[00:22:49] censoring Americans and I'm work for the
[00:22:51] US government. How about you get fired
[00:22:52] today? Yeah, I think he was pointing
[00:22:54] globally and the US State Department has
[00:22:55] a long history of trying to control what
[00:22:57] people see and hear and how they react
[00:22:58] to that.
[00:22:59] >> So, we need to change the textbooks in
[00:23:00] Indonesia.
[00:23:02] >> Should we really be changing other
[00:23:03] people's textbooks? Whatever.
[00:23:04] >> No, I think I think there's a reasonable
[00:23:06] argument to be made that we should not
[00:23:07] be funding the textbooks.
[00:23:09] >> No, we should not be we should be
[00:23:11] funding anybody's textbooks. Like, there
[00:23:13] are people living on the street. But
[00:23:14] whatever. Leaving that aside, you're not
[00:23:16] allowed
[00:23:18] to censor our social media, period.
[00:23:21] Because we're Americans, we can say and
[00:23:23] think whatever we want. That's the point
[00:23:26] of being American. How can a US official
[00:23:28] say that? I think we have crossed that
[00:23:30] Rubicon long ago when you had people in
[00:23:32] the Biden administration censoring true
[00:23:34] information about vaccine side effects
[00:23:37] and no accountability for that, no
[00:23:39] action against those officials. uh it
[00:23:41] has blown the door open to use powers in
[00:23:44] government to try to advance the
[00:23:46] viewpoints that you find com comforting
[00:23:48] and to silence the ideas that you find
[00:23:51] uncomfortable.
[00:23:51] >> I've never heard anybody say we should
[00:23:53] censor anti-white hate on the internet.
[00:23:55] Not one person has ever I don't by the
[00:23:56] way I don't think we should censor it or
[00:23:58] any expression of what people believe
[00:24:01] should ever be.
[00:24:01] >> Do you think censorship like digitally
[00:24:04] is ultimately sustainable with the
[00:24:06] fragmented digital environment? That's
[00:24:08] the point. I'm comment I'm not as worked
[00:24:10] up over over it as you are because I
[00:24:12] just I think that uh you know you've got
[00:24:15] we have so many different opportunities
[00:24:16] to communicate now more so than in the
[00:24:19] you know 2010s and the censorship regime
[00:24:22] is only going to backfire on these folks
[00:24:25] and it's sad. I I honestly I wish people
[00:24:29] like you know Jonathan Greenblat at the
[00:24:31] ADL and and and this particular rabbi
[00:24:33] like would would see that what they are
[00:24:35] doing is ultimately to their detriment
[00:24:38] because more and more people are going
[00:24:39] to wonder why there is this like one
[00:24:42] group that seems to have primacy in
[00:24:45] speech and discourse.
[00:24:47] You're 100% right and you're able to
[00:24:50] control your emotions sufficient to see
[00:24:53] that which is why I'm glad you're here.
[00:24:56] >> Controlling [laughter] emotions really
[00:24:57] is one of what I'm known for.
[00:24:58] >> No, it is actually because you're seeing
[00:25:01] at least compared to me with no
[00:25:02] self-control at all. You're seeing the
[00:25:04] big picture which is that this is a
[00:25:07] conversation that can only be
[00:25:09] counterproductive.
[00:25:10] They don't understand the nature of
[00:25:12] human discourse and of the internet and
[00:25:14] like you can't censor it.
[00:25:15] >> No. And how are you going to censor the
[00:25:16] presidential debate stage in 2028?
[00:25:18] Because let me walk through what you're
[00:25:19] going to see. You're going to see
[00:25:22] candidates on the Republican debate
[00:25:23] stage and on the Democrat debate stage
[00:25:26] that are going to say, "I'm going to cut
[00:25:27] off all aid to Israel. I believe the
[00:25:29] USIsrael relationship is toxic. I think
[00:25:32] it is a it is an abusive relationship
[00:25:34] and the United States is the abused
[00:25:35] partner and we need to leave." And those
[00:25:38] people are automatically going to surge
[00:25:40] to uh a prominent position in in the
[00:25:43] polling in their parties. And so then
[00:25:45] how do you how are you ultimately going
[00:25:47] to censor a viewpoint that is a rising
[00:25:49] viewpoint on the left and the right
[00:25:51] >> right
[00:25:52] >> among the bases of those parties not not
[00:25:54] am this isn't a viewpoint percolating
[00:25:57] among the elites that maybe the
[00:25:58] US-Israel relationship uh is is
[00:26:00] something we have to question in its
[00:26:03] current iteration and in its current
[00:26:04] form but this is coming to a head and
[00:26:08] the like I saw the deal where uh have
[00:26:10] you looked at the FAR filings where the
[00:26:12] Israeli government is paying to geoence
[00:26:15] US churches so that they can
[00:26:18] propagandize evangelical Christians. I'm
[00:26:20] watching this like saying
[00:26:23] it is not going to work. People are
[00:26:24] still going to ask questions. Uh and I
[00:26:27] still can't find any of the of Israel's
[00:26:29] strongest defenders who will defend that
[00:26:31] conduct. Um they've also I guess hired
[00:26:33] Brad Parcale to spoof the AI bots. I I
[00:26:38] saw that and I thought I thought at
[00:26:40] least it's like them getting grifted
[00:26:42] this time. He's pathetic. Uh but yes,
[00:26:45] no, I mean, literally pathetic, but uh
[00:26:47] but it's still so dishonorable what he's
[00:26:49] doing. But you're absolutely right. I
[00:26:51] should have a lighter heart about this
[00:26:52] kind of stuff. It I I guess what
[00:26:54] concerns me is these are people who are
[00:26:58] totally committed to violence who I mean
[00:27:01] for Rabbi whatever his name is to say we
[00:27:03] need to hold the people of Gaza
[00:27:05] accountable when they already the
[00:27:06] Israelis and the US have murdered tens
[00:27:09] of thousands of women and children,
[00:27:10] murdered them. It's like that's not a
[00:27:13] like what is there is there anyone
[00:27:16] believe who believes that Israel's
[00:27:17] campaign in Gaza has killed more
[00:27:19] terrorists than it's created? Is there a
[00:27:21] single serious person who believes that?
[00:27:22] >> Well, it's it's it's a crime. It's it's
[00:27:25] a crime. And when the more you know
[00:27:27] about it, the more shocking it is that
[00:27:29] it's happened. A first world country
[00:27:30] doing something murdering all those
[00:27:32] kids, murdering them, which they have.
[00:27:34] And all these people like Rabbi whatever
[00:27:37] and Mark Leven defending it.
[00:27:40] They're just proviolence. They believe
[00:27:41] in violence. Mark Leven when Charlie was
[00:27:43] murdered three months ago said, you
[00:27:45] know, he was murdered because people
[00:27:46] called him a Nazi and that's an
[00:27:47] invitation to shoot somebody. Next thing
[00:27:49] you know, he's running around calling
[00:27:50] everyone who disagrees with the next aid
[00:27:52] package a Nazi. He's espousing violence.
[00:27:54] Mark's totally for violence. A lot of
[00:27:56] these stronger voices are for violence.
[00:27:58] So if censorship doesn't work, it makes
[00:28:00] me uncomfortable
[00:28:02] >> when people who believe in violence and
[00:28:04] murdering the innocents as they do.
[00:28:06] >> If they're if they can't achieve their
[00:28:09] goals by peaceful means, like what's the
[00:28:10] next step?
[00:28:12] >> Violence. I
[00:28:12] >> I think that they come from a viewpoint
[00:28:14] of like every 400 years people round up
[00:28:16] the Jews and kill them on the planet
[00:28:18] Earth and they think that their struggle
[00:28:21] is existential and if they do not become
[00:28:24] violent in certain places, in certain
[00:28:25] iterations that they become the victim
[00:28:27] of it. Okay, I I look I get that and
[00:28:31] actually one thing that I grieve over
[00:28:32] because I hear about it all the time
[00:28:33] from friends of mine is that people are
[00:28:35] panicked or panicked and then you have a
[00:28:37] shooting this massacre in Australia is
[00:28:40] like the worst thing I've ever I
[00:28:41] couldn't even watch the video. It was so
[00:28:42] horrible
[00:28:43] >> and it's like that adds to people's
[00:28:45] sense that there's something like that
[00:28:46] is going to happen here and I totally
[00:28:48] sympathize with that all of that.
[00:28:52] >> But violence is not the answer. That's
[00:28:54] the point. It's why you can't defend the
[00:28:56] murder of kids in Gaza. You can't call
[00:28:59] for your enemies to be killed like Mark
[00:29:00] Leven in effect does. Don't do that,
[00:29:04] right?
[00:29:05] >> Yeah. And um it it probably is, you
[00:29:09] know, the next chapter of all of this is
[00:29:11] that more of that type of violence is
[00:29:12] visited here in the United States. And
[00:29:14] we're we're against that. That, by the
[00:29:16] way, that's why the speech and the
[00:29:17] dialogue and the discourse is so
[00:29:18] important, which is what Charlie Kirk
[00:29:20] understood. I know
[00:29:21] >> and and uh
[00:29:22] >> and said so
[00:29:24] >> all the time and I mean when you and I
[00:29:26] know what few others do and that is the
[00:29:29] operational competence of Charlie Kirk
[00:29:33] >> in uh doing everything he could to
[00:29:35] support the Trump administration to make
[00:29:37] the best possible decisions on the
[00:29:39] information that existed. And Charlie
[00:29:41] told me something once about uh
[00:29:43] President Trump and and Twitter. And he
[00:29:45] said, 'You know, Matt, how many times
[00:29:46] back in 2016, 2017,
[00:29:49] did we uh did we have someone come up to
[00:29:51] us and say, "We love Trump, but can we
[00:29:53] get him off Twitter? Can we just get him
[00:29:54] to stop uh tweeting every impulse?" And
[00:29:57] by the way, I always loved the the
[00:29:59] posts, still do. Uh but um we so many
[00:30:03] people were focused on the information
[00:30:05] flow from TW Trump out into the Twitter
[00:30:08] sphere when uh what we I think
[00:30:11] discounted was when Trump was scrolling
[00:30:13] Twitter regularly. He was getting
[00:30:16] birectional feedback that does not exist
[00:30:19] right now. Uh that that that avenue is
[00:30:22] not open the way it was in those years.
[00:30:24] And I think it was really special and
[00:30:27] awesome about Trump that he was able to
[00:30:29] understand the zeitgeist and what the
[00:30:32] temperature and mood of the country was
[00:30:34] and uh I would love to see Trump back on
[00:30:36] Twitter posting regularly and seeing the
[00:30:39] feedback from users.
[00:30:40] >> I think it's a really smart point and
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[00:33:11] >> What role does Twitter X play in the
[00:33:14] discourse of the nation? It's the global
[00:33:17] newswire. It's it's where news is made.
[00:33:20] And you know, I think that uh people
[00:33:24] discount the significance of the
[00:33:26] platform when they say it doesn't have
[00:33:27] the same user base that you see on Meta
[00:33:30] or Tik Tok. But the reality is the news
[00:33:33] that is made on X Twitter uh really
[00:33:36] pollinates to those other platforms
[00:33:37] extensively and I think drives all the
[00:33:40] action.
[00:33:40] >> So Twitter is real life is what you're
[00:33:42] saying.
[00:33:43] >> I I think that it is.
[00:33:45] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[00:33:45] >> Could you understand what's happening in
[00:33:47] the country without reading it?
[00:33:51] >> I don't think so because you would be
[00:33:52] limited in uh the inputs.
[00:33:56] >> Yeah.
[00:33:57] >> To your system, right?
[00:33:58] >> What are your So, well, you host a show,
[00:34:01] but even long before you hosted the
[00:34:02] show, you're in the middle of the
[00:34:04] national [snorts] conversation. You were
[00:34:06] the subject of the national conversation
[00:34:08] for a while.
[00:34:09] >> Um, where do you get your information?
[00:34:11] How do you know what reality is? I I I
[00:34:14] try to read a lot. I try to watch cable
[00:34:17] news as little as possible, even though
[00:34:18] I'm a I'm a host of a cable show on One
[00:34:21] American News. Uh you know, I think
[00:34:23] we've lost an appreciation for like the
[00:34:26] 10,000word piece in in society today. Uh
[00:34:30] you know, I I I miss the long
[00:34:32] investigative reporting pieces we used
[00:34:34] to get at places like uh uh the National
[00:34:37] Pulse and you know, places like Revolver
[00:34:40] News. Yeah. And more and more the
[00:34:42] attention span of the country is limited
[00:34:44] and so you've got to be able to convey
[00:34:46] messages sharply, crisply so that
[00:34:48] they're absorbed and people can act on
[00:34:49] the information.
[00:34:50] >> Do you read Twitter a lot?
[00:34:51] >> I do. Yeah, I'm on Twitter a good bit.
[00:34:53] Citizen free press is one of my daily
[00:34:56] check-ins for the news as well.
[00:34:58] >> And also more and more uh since I've
[00:35:00] left government life, seeing how the
[00:35:03] movement of money impacts policy
[00:35:05] decisions. I was so into like what was
[00:35:07] on the next committee agenda uh what the
[00:35:10] next witness would be in the chair and
[00:35:12] oftent times it's it's the way money
[00:35:14] moves in global marketplaces influencing
[00:35:17] events and I also think this is
[00:35:19] informative on our discussion on the
[00:35:20] Middle East because for most of your and
[00:35:22] my life the principal capital markets
[00:35:25] that mattered in the world were New York
[00:35:26] and London course
[00:35:27] >> and I think a lot of people uh were
[00:35:29] really comfortable with that and then as
[00:35:33] capital has really flown out of these
[00:35:36] Gulf monarchies out of the Middle East.
[00:35:37] You're seeing places like Doha, Abu
[00:35:40] Dhahabi, Dubai, Muscat Oman, Riad emerge
[00:35:44] as these ri as these very significant
[00:35:47] capital marketplaces. And I think
[00:35:49] Netanyahu is trying to wash that region
[00:35:52] in blood and chaos and war migrants so
[00:35:56] that there is a return to New York and
[00:35:59] London being the principal capital
[00:36:00] markets.
[00:36:01] >> Yeah. I mean, I saw an Israeli cabinet
[00:36:03] minister the other day um describe was
[00:36:07] talking about the Saudis and you know,
[00:36:09] go back to whatever your camels and
[00:36:11] sleeping with your cousin or whatever,
[00:36:13] eating lamb in a tent. Um, and I, you
[00:36:17] know, it was dismissive, of course, I'm
[00:36:18] not even taking sides in it, but it was
[00:36:20] more than dismissive. It was like
[00:36:21] idiotic. It's like, have you been there
[00:36:23] recently? You know, there not a lot of
[00:36:24] camels in downtown Riad, which has like
[00:36:26] 8 million people in it. It's like the
[00:36:28] most modern city the side of China. Um I
[00:36:33] I think people don't fully understand
[00:36:36] how quickly that region has changed.
[00:36:39] >> Yeah. And you know the uh that change is
[00:36:43] frightening to people who are losing
[00:36:45] power. I get it.
[00:36:46] >> And I think a lot of those people are
[00:36:48] the constituency that Netanyahu is
[00:36:50] serving as he is trying to advance an
[00:36:52] agenda that will create more war and
[00:36:54] create more violence. And like nobody's
[00:36:56] going to want to do business deals in
[00:37:00] Doha or Abu Dhabi or Dubai if there are
[00:37:05] 30 million Iranians that are on the move
[00:37:08] because they are war migrants.
[00:37:10] >> No, that's that's really really smart.
[00:37:12] So I want to get to some something. So
[00:37:14] you sponsored this bill in the Congress
[00:37:17] in 2024 last year that would have pulled
[00:37:20] the United States finally out of Syria.
[00:37:22] And of course it didn't pass. Did it
[00:37:24] even get to a vote? Uh yeah, I was able
[00:37:26] to force a vote on it under under our
[00:37:28] rules. Yeah. I mean, it lost by a margin
[00:37:30] of two to one. I didn't even have a
[00:37:31] majority
[00:37:32] >> at least. Oh, of course. But the fact
[00:37:35] that you did that, which by the way, for
[00:37:36] people who aren't from Washington,
[00:37:38] that's like a radical act. That's like
[00:37:40] tea party level, you know? It's like
[00:37:42] throwing the tea in Boston Harbor.
[00:37:43] That's like a No one would do that. Poor
[00:37:45] Tulsi Gabbard once said like, "Why do we
[00:37:47] have to be in Syria?" And they spied on
[00:37:49] her and kept her off commercial
[00:37:50] airplanes for saying that. So, um, it
[00:37:52] was a ballsy thing to say, but you've
[00:37:54] always had this kind of like, you know,
[00:37:56] independent cast to your thinking. It's
[00:37:59] been very obvious for a long time.
[00:38:02] Several years ago, your life got
[00:38:04] completely blown up. It sounded like you
[00:38:06] were going to jail. People started
[00:38:08] calling you a child molester. You're a
[00:38:09] child molester. I was attacked for
[00:38:12] talking to you, which is kind of funny.
[00:38:14] Normally, people were attacked for
[00:38:15] talking to me, but I was attacked for
[00:38:16] talking to you. And [laughter] um but at
[00:38:19] the heart of that story was foreign
[00:38:21] influence and I've never heard you
[00:38:24] describe what exactly happened there.
[00:38:28] So in one sentence news broke in the New
[00:38:30] York Times that the House
[00:38:33] Ethics Committee.
[00:38:34] >> No, this was this was I got news that uh
[00:38:37] the Department of Justice
[00:38:38] >> Oh, sorry. It was DOJ criminal
[00:38:40] investigation was was in investigating
[00:38:42] me and obviously I knew that the
[00:38:44] allegations were false that someone was
[00:38:46] >> in jail right now if they were
[00:38:48] >> obviously and the fact
[00:38:49] >> you and Andrew Tate would both be in
[00:38:50] jail. So stop with the [ __ ]
[00:38:51] >> And by the way like it no one has ever
[00:38:54] even made an accusation against me in
[00:38:56] any forum in which I can depose
[00:38:58] witnesses, do cross-examination, review
[00:39:01] records. So like that's how you know the
[00:39:02] allegations against me are false. No one
[00:39:04] is ever willing to make them in any
[00:39:06] forum where I'm allowed to fight back,
[00:39:08] where I have any any of the tools that
[00:39:10] you haven't been charged in process. So
[00:39:12] like charged, sued, uh anything. And so
[00:39:15] I
[00:39:16] >> been sued on the basis of this.
[00:39:17] >> No, of course not. If anyone were to sue
[00:39:19] me, a a human being would have to stand
[00:39:21] up and make an accusation against me and
[00:39:23] have their name behind it. That's never
[00:39:25] happened. Who is who is the person who
[00:39:26] has publicly accused me of misconduct
[00:39:28] regarding women? There's it doesn't
[00:39:30] exist, right? It it is just an op and it
[00:39:33] it was an op to silence me and Israel
[00:39:36] was involved and I hate to say that I
[00:39:38] was shocked to learn it but there was a
[00:39:41] consulate official.
[00:39:42] >> Okay, this is so this is the charge that
[00:39:44] you were like trafficking underage
[00:39:46] girls.
[00:39:47] >> It absurd and
[00:39:48] >> I don't even know what the charge was
[00:39:49] but that was the headline. MATT GATES
[00:39:51] TRAFFICS UNDERAGE WOMEN. It's like oh my
[00:39:52] gosh can't talk to Matt Gates anymore.
[00:39:54] Well, for for us, uh, the shocking
[00:39:57] moment was when my father, who's a
[00:39:59] prominent person in our community, got
[00:40:01] outreach from someone he had never met
[00:40:03] that said that there were pictures and
[00:40:05] images of me with underage prostitutes.
[00:40:08] And my dad needed to meet with these
[00:40:09] people right away. And so, uh, my my
[00:40:12] dad, somewhat surprised and concerned,
[00:40:15] goes and talks to these people and says,
[00:40:16] "What in the world are you talking
[00:40:17] about?" And they said, "Well, uh, Mr. We
[00:40:20] need $25 million from you to go and
[00:40:24] rescue a uh a spy that is being held in
[00:40:28] Iran and if you do that we can make
[00:40:31] these things about your son go away
[00:40:34] which was crazy and wild. We did what
[00:40:36] any reasonable people would do. We went
[00:40:38] to the FBI and said that we were being
[00:40:40] extorted by these folks with their false
[00:40:42] claims. And we later learned that this
[00:40:45] consulate official with the is working
[00:40:47] for the Israeli government was sending
[00:40:50] text messages to Scott Adams of all
[00:40:52] people, the Dilbert cartoonist, saying
[00:40:54] they were expecting my father to furnish
[00:40:57] this $25 million payment uh and that
[00:41:01] that would be evidence of my
[00:41:02] consciousness of guilt
[00:41:03] >> for the American FBI agent grabbed on a
[00:41:06] Iranian island maybe 18 or 19 years ago.
[00:41:09] >> Yeah. And I don't know anything about
[00:41:10] this person. I don't know if the
[00:41:11] person's dead or alive, but but
[00:41:13] >> it was troubling and concerning to me
[00:41:16] that someone who was getting paid by the
[00:41:18] Israeli government was involved in a
[00:41:20] criminal shakeddown of a US congressman
[00:41:23] and there someone went to jail for this.
[00:41:25] Someone the person who conveyed this
[00:41:27] message to my father plead guilty to the
[00:41:29] attempted fraud and uh surprisingly
[00:41:33] there was never really an effort to
[00:41:35] figure out what the government of
[00:41:37] Israel's involvement was in this matter.
[00:41:39] But you know that the government of
[00:41:40] Israel was involved because this was an
[00:41:43] Israeli government official who was
[00:41:44] involved in
[00:41:45] >> this. Yes. A a person who his name is
[00:41:47] Jake Novak. I think he currently works
[00:41:49] for Real America's Voice. And he sent
[00:41:51] text messages. Yeah.
[00:41:53] >> Yeah. Uh that that's the name of the
[00:41:54] official. And he sent messages to Scott
[00:41:57] Adams saying that he was involved in
[00:41:59] this scheme that was later deemed a
[00:42:01] criminal scheme to shake down my family.
[00:42:04] False allegations. He got a television
[00:42:06] show.
[00:42:07] >> Come on now.
[00:42:09] [snorts] I didn't know any of this. I'm
[00:42:10] not playing dumb. I really didn't know
[00:42:12] that.
[00:42:12] >> Has Have you ever talked to him about
[00:42:14] it? Uh
[00:42:14] >> I I have uh I have attempted to uh to
[00:42:17] figure out because obviously I still
[00:42:19] have a lot of unanswered questions about
[00:42:20] why he was working for a foreign
[00:42:22] government and trying to shake down my
[00:42:24] family.
[00:42:26] >> What's the answer, do you think?
[00:42:28] >> Well, uh some have shared with me their
[00:42:31] concern that this was a consequence of
[00:42:33] some of the votes and positions I took
[00:42:35] in the Congress. I represented one of
[00:42:37] the most militaryheavy districts in the
[00:42:39] entire country.
[00:42:40] >> Number one.
[00:42:40] >> Yeah. Right. Right up there. And uh I
[00:42:44] saw these wars in the Middle East that
[00:42:47] my neighbors and friends had fought in
[00:42:50] uh as unworthy of our of our best,
[00:42:54] unworthy of the disruptions in parenting
[00:42:57] and the divorces and the injuries,
[00:42:59] suicides. And so I uh took the position
[00:43:03] that we should be less entangled in
[00:43:05] these things. And I think that really um
[00:43:07] shocked a number of people who thought I
[00:43:09] would be more of a neocon coming from
[00:43:11] the district I came from. And I think
[00:43:13] that you know that with with like the
[00:43:15] Israel influence operation, it's always
[00:43:18] fire and ice. It's always outreach
[00:43:22] followed by consequence and then
[00:43:23] outreach and then consequence. Even to
[00:43:25] this day, uh there was someone who just
[00:43:28] appeared and offered to pay me a bunch
[00:43:30] of money to go to Israel and give a
[00:43:32] bunch of speeches and you know, uh you
[00:43:35] decline those offers when you don't feel
[00:43:36] they're appropriate and then lo and
[00:43:38] behold, it's like Greenblad on the other
[00:43:40] side of the operation calling you an
[00:43:42] anti-semite.
[00:43:44] This just happened to you?
[00:43:46] >> Yeah. You don't need to be an economist
[00:43:48] to see what's happening. The dollar is
[00:43:50] in trouble. It's getting weaker. It's
[00:43:52] sad, but we're not in charge of it. So,
[00:43:54] we have to respond appropriately in ways
[00:43:56] to protect our families. When paper
[00:43:57] money dies, it's going to be replaced by
[00:44:00] programmable digital currency or gold.
[00:44:02] Gold survives. The same Americans who
[00:44:04] think they're protecting themselves with
[00:44:06] gold are the ones getting ripped off by
[00:44:07] big gold dealers. After we left
[00:44:09] corporate media, we got offered tens of
[00:44:10] millions of dollars to promote gold
[00:44:12] companies. How'd they get the money to
[00:44:13] spend that much on marketing? Cuz
[00:44:14] they're scamming their customers. We
[00:44:16] didn't want anything to do with that.
[00:44:17] So, we sought an honest broker and
[00:44:18] together we formed a precious metals
[00:44:20] company that you can actually trust.
[00:44:22] It's called Battalion Metals. At
[00:44:23] battalion metals.com, we publish actual
[00:44:26] spot prices. We're totally transparent
[00:44:29] about the vig, what we take, and we
[00:44:32] treat everyone with honesty. So, if
[00:44:34] you've been watching what's happening,
[00:44:35] you know, it's not just about money.
[00:44:36] It's about sovereignty and holding
[00:44:37] something that endures and cannot be
[00:44:39] manipulated or taken from you. So, if
[00:44:40] you've been waiting for the right time
[00:44:42] to act, this is it. Visit battalion
[00:44:44] medals.com.
[00:44:48] You've got such a Maybe you've just been
[00:44:49] around. You're younger than I am but
[00:44:51] been around a lot. You have such a blasé
[00:44:52] attitude like yeah that happens. People
[00:44:54] try and pay you off then they threaten
[00:44:55] you. Pay you off then they threaten you.
[00:44:57] >> Yeah. I mean the unfortunately this is
[00:44:59] the parlance of government. It's a
[00:45:01] series of uh carrots and sticks and you
[00:45:05] know I was the only Republican in the
[00:45:07] entire Congress during my time there who
[00:45:10] uh who refused all pack and lobbyist
[00:45:12] donations because it was like a game I
[00:45:14] just didn't want to win. What what you
[00:45:16] have to realize is what most of your
[00:45:17] Congress is doing most of the time is
[00:45:19] trying to move up in this system. And
[00:45:22] sometimes moving up means a better
[00:45:23] committee. Sometimes it's like getting
[00:45:25] invited to better dinner parties. You
[00:45:27] lived in Washington for many years. You
[00:45:28] know that there's this like hidden
[00:45:30] dinner party circuit that is reflective
[00:45:33] of your influence and your acceptance.
[00:45:35] And people who are probably good people
[00:45:38] when they get elected uh go there and
[00:45:40] morally compromise for that. And I just
[00:45:42] like reached a point one one time when I
[00:45:44] just thought I don't even care. Like
[00:45:47] it's like oh well if you do enough
[00:45:48] favors for the chief deputy whip they'll
[00:45:51] invite you to their fundraiser and then
[00:45:52] you could move up and the whip could
[00:45:55] invite you to his foreign trip. And if
[00:45:57] you say the right things on the foreign
[00:45:59] trip and and kiss the ring well then
[00:46:01] maybe like the majority leader will want
[00:46:03] you on a task force. And at the end of
[00:46:05] the day I thought I'm not here to do any
[00:46:06] of this stuff and I don't really care
[00:46:07] about any of it.
[00:46:08] >> Those are prizes not worth winning too.
[00:46:10] >> Yeah. It's sort of like the homecoming
[00:46:11] court. Like nobody really cares except
[00:46:13] the people doing it. The problem is in
[00:46:15] Congress, the people who are not the
[00:46:18] brightest and not the, you know, I think
[00:46:21] most uh [snorts] uh serviceoriented
[00:46:24] often prevail in that system.
[00:46:27] >> It's also low bar. So just pathetic. Um
[00:46:31] but and and it's even more pathetic when
[00:46:34] really smart, accomplished people do it.
[00:46:36] That's always what amazed me. If you're
[00:46:38] like I'm just country lawyer from North
[00:46:40] Florida, been in the legislature, got
[00:46:41] elected to Congress. I'd never done
[00:46:42] anything in my life that rendered me a
[00:46:44] war hero or some tycoon of industry, but
[00:46:47] those people do get elected at times and
[00:46:48] then to just go watch them debase
[00:46:51] themselves. I know
[00:46:52] >> uh and and they become actors and the
[00:46:56] scripts are written by the lobby corps
[00:46:59] and produced and directed by the
[00:47:01] leadership.
[00:47:03] You never took APAC money? I did not. I
[00:47:06] I I ref I refused those funds.
[00:47:09] >> How did that go for you?
[00:47:10] >> I just, you know,
[00:47:12] >> Well, I guess you ultimately got
[00:47:13] blackmailed.
[00:47:14] >> I didn't become attorney general.
[00:47:15] >> No, [laughter]
[00:47:16] but but I
[00:47:18] >> Oh, I forgot about that.
[00:47:19] >> But that that was that wasn't precisely
[00:47:21] uh about Apac for me. That was just
[00:47:23] about all of it. I even had groups like
[00:47:25] the NRA or Right to Life that I was
[00:47:27] largely aligned with say, "Well, will
[00:47:29] you take our pack money?" And I just the
[00:47:31] whole thing seemed unour. Like how do
[00:47:33] you take money from people who have a a
[00:47:36] specific interest at times hundreds of
[00:47:38] thousands of millions of dollars and
[00:47:39] then go stand at at at the fish house in
[00:47:41] Pensacola, Florida and tell people
[00:47:42] you're not influenced by it? I just I
[00:47:44] couldn't perform the act anymore. Now
[00:47:46] there's, you know, there's there are
[00:47:47] other uh throughout my time in Congress,
[00:47:49] there are other um kind of
[00:47:51] accommodations you have to make. Like I
[00:47:53] had to be their willing able anytime
[00:47:56] your bookers or anybody else's bookers
[00:47:59] would call and say, "Come be on
[00:48:00] television." Because my theory was if I
[00:48:02] wasn't going to have the resources to
[00:48:04] buy ads, just go be on TV a lot and uh
[00:48:07] you know that that comes with its own
[00:48:09] compromise to your life and and uh your
[00:48:12] overall operation,
[00:48:13] >> right? Well, life is a series of traps,
[00:48:15] right? And sometimes you don't know
[00:48:17] you're falling into them.
[00:48:18] >> It seems like a good trade, but it never
[00:48:20] is. So, but just to go back to what
[00:48:22] happened to you. So, um, this guy or a
[00:48:26] series of people approached your dad and
[00:48:28] said, "We have documentary evidence that
[00:48:31] your son like
[00:48:32] >> photos
[00:48:33] >> photos slept with underage girls. Will
[00:48:36] you give us 25 million to go find the
[00:48:38] FBI agent Bob
[00:48:39] >> Levenson?"
[00:48:40] >> Levenson, right? Also working for CIA
[00:48:43] who was grabbed on this island in Iran,
[00:48:45] still in custody, dead or alive. Your
[00:48:48] dad says no. Contacts you. You call the
[00:48:51] FBI. The person who reached out gets
[00:48:53] convicted of that, goes to jail for it.
[00:48:56] But this other guy is never punished for
[00:49:00] it. The one who's working for the
[00:49:02] Israeli government.
[00:49:05] And then the story winds up in the New
[00:49:07] York Times. How does it wind up in the
[00:49:09] New York Times?
[00:49:10] >> Well, I I think that Bill Barr told
[00:49:12] them. Bill Bar was a very well-known
[00:49:15] source for the New York Times.
[00:49:17] >> Bill Bar was the attorney general
[00:49:18] >> and he hated me. And he and I hate you.
[00:49:21] We were in a big dispute about his
[00:49:24] unwillingness to enforce some of the
[00:49:27] election integrity laws. There was a
[00:49:29] case in Florida where a Democrat
[00:49:31] supervisor of elections brought to the
[00:49:33] US attorney a clear instance of fraud
[00:49:35] where a Soros aligned organization was
[00:49:37] fraudulently creating voter
[00:49:39] registrations so that they could request
[00:49:41] absentee ballots that were that were
[00:49:43] ghost votes. And uh the US attorney
[00:49:47] asked for resources to pursue that
[00:49:49] investigation and Bill Barr refused and
[00:49:51] said, "I refuse to investigate any of
[00:49:53] this stuff because it will decrease
[00:49:55] confidence in the elections." This was
[00:49:56] before the 2020 election. And so I was
[00:49:59] constantly pestering President Trump and
[00:50:02] and members of his administration that
[00:50:04] Bill Bar had to be dealt with on this.
[00:50:05] You can't just say that you're not going
[00:50:06] to investigate something because the
[00:50:08] investigation itself will uh will impact
[00:50:12] people's confidence. And so he and I
[00:50:14] were in that big struggle and I believe
[00:50:16] he was angry with me and you know uh
[00:50:19] wanted to leak things that would hurt
[00:50:20] me.
[00:50:21] >> This is the guy who covered up the
[00:50:22] murder of an American citizen in federal
[00:50:24] detention in New York City.
[00:50:26] >> Um I mean the person who was murdered is
[00:50:28] called Jeffrey Epstein. So I I
[00:50:30] understand that I'm not defending
[00:50:31] Jeffrey Epste, but no American should be
[00:50:33] murdered extrajudicially in federal
[00:50:36] lockup. Bill Bar covered up that murder.
[00:50:38] >> Well, also I mean we're the United
[00:50:39] States of America. You can't even go in
[00:50:41] and out of a casino without people
[00:50:43] knowing that you're there and without it
[00:50:45] being on every camera. And you're
[00:50:47] telling me that we don't have the video
[00:50:49] of Epstein killing himself and that
[00:50:51] we're all just supposed to expect that
[00:50:52] this guy who we know we know all those
[00:50:55] people who are in the admin now, my
[00:50:56] friends, they know Epstein was intel.
[00:50:58] They know he was tied to our intel. They
[00:51:00] know he was tied to MSAD. They knew he
[00:51:02] was tied to Saudi. He was a free agent.
[00:51:04] He was willing to go British
[00:51:05] intelligence.
[00:51:06] >> Yeah. and and he was willing to go and
[00:51:08] get this compromat at a time when Brit
[00:51:11] the British and the Israelis and the
[00:51:13] United States government needed to pe
[00:51:14] get people aligned with the Iraq war.
[00:51:16] And there was a worry that people would
[00:51:18] drift off and start opposing an
[00:51:19] increasingly unpopular war in Iraq. And
[00:51:21] so they got together a bunch of people
[00:51:23] in academia, politics, media, business,
[00:51:26] and tried to get them in a compromising
[00:51:28] situation so that then everyone would
[00:51:31] stay on board no matter what. That does
[00:51:33] not sound unlikely. But when he died,
[00:51:36] Bar has by his own admission, he said,
[00:51:38] "Our job is to convince the American
[00:51:40] public he killed himself and prevent
[00:51:41] dangerous conspiracy theories from
[00:51:42] threating." The guy was murdered. And so
[00:51:45] Bar is by definition corrupt. Like you
[00:51:48] can't attorney generals can't do that.
[00:51:49] That is totally over the top. So, and he
[00:51:53] was fighting with you. But you think
[00:51:55] he's the one who leaked
[00:51:57] >> I do
[00:51:58] >> this stuff which
[00:51:59] >> leaked happened in I mean I'm not going
[00:52:01] to sit here and pearl clutch over some
[00:52:02] over some leak when I you know when the
[00:52:05] FBI took my phone away I assumed this
[00:52:08] was all you know when they first came
[00:52:10] >> on what ground they take your phone
[00:52:11] >> they came with a subpoena and said we
[00:52:12] want your phone and by at the time I was
[00:52:14] somewhat relieved because I thought
[00:52:15] perfect if what you think's in my phone
[00:52:17] is some sort of unoured issue with
[00:52:19] underage people have a look there's
[00:52:22] there you know and obviously if I
[00:52:23] committed any crimes that they they kept
[00:52:25] my phone for years and uh they did.
[00:52:28] >> Yeah, they did.
[00:52:31] >> And you've never been charged with
[00:52:32] anything?
[00:52:32] >> No.
[00:52:33] >> What's it like cuz we have a justice
[00:52:36] system, you know, it's still in place. I
[00:52:38] think got courts and stuff and police
[00:52:40] and all that, but what's it like to be
[00:52:43] accused of of of a real crime, you know,
[00:52:47] child sex trafficking,
[00:52:50] and then sort of wait for all these
[00:52:52] years to get indicted for it, have
[00:52:53] someone prove it, and that never
[00:52:55] happens. Well, I mean, I know who I am.
[00:52:57] The people around me know who I am. I I
[00:52:59] would during these investigations
[00:53:01] repeatedly run back to my district and
[00:53:03] despite Kevin McCarthy spending millions
[00:53:05] of dollars to try to defeat me, I was
[00:53:07] always overwhelmingly reelected. And so
[00:53:09] I I took comfort in knowing
[00:53:10] >> you got reelected in the middle of this.
[00:53:12] >> Yeah. Despite, you know, uh a lot of
[00:53:14] folks not wanting me to return to
[00:53:16] Washington, but but there is uh there is
[00:53:18] comfort in knowing that uh you know the
[00:53:21] the people will be there for you, your
[00:53:24] family, the folks you care about. And so
[00:53:26] I'm not a tragic case by any sense. I
[00:53:28] wish I would have had the chance to be
[00:53:30] attorney general. I said a lot of bad
[00:53:32] things about senators over the years
[00:53:33] that made that uh impossible for me to
[00:53:35] achieve.
[00:53:36] >> So, walk us through that. So, Trump
[00:53:37] announces you're going to be AG
[00:53:39] >> and I have not campaigned for the
[00:53:41] position. To be clear, I and you know, I
[00:53:44] love President Trump and was there to
[00:53:46] support his transition as a friend, a
[00:53:49] confidant, someone who had been there
[00:53:50] during the tough times in his first
[00:53:53] term. I mean, the real reason I was
[00:53:54] hanging around the transition is because
[00:53:56] I remembered what it was like when you
[00:53:57] had a good amount of the cabinet hoping
[00:54:00] that Donald Trump was a criminal and
[00:54:01] wanting to install Mike Pence and just
[00:54:04] the the nightmare that that was. So, I
[00:54:06] was there to be a trusted friend and uh
[00:54:08] Charlie Kirk and Steven Miller and I had
[00:54:11] uh had talked to a number of people who
[00:54:13] wanted to be attorney general and we
[00:54:15] were presenting some of those uh some of
[00:54:17] those ideas to the president. I was
[00:54:19] advocating for a different person to be
[00:54:21] the attorney general on a plane ride
[00:54:23] with the president and he just sort of
[00:54:26] as he has a tendency to do said that
[00:54:28] that wasn't who he wanted and he wanted
[00:54:30] me to do the job
[00:54:31] >> and you had no idea this was coming.
[00:54:34] >> No. None. And and I it was
[00:54:36] >> so you're telling Trump actually I think
[00:54:37] you should pick so and so.
[00:54:39] >> Right. Right. And I did tell him if he
[00:54:40] wanted me to do it I would do my best
[00:54:42] job. I would work hard to be confirmed
[00:54:43] and uh and that I thought I could lead
[00:54:46] the department out of some of its
[00:54:48] darkest days and towards something
[00:54:49] better. I think Pam Bondi has done a
[00:54:52] very good job. I know she has her
[00:54:53] critics. By the way, I would have too.
[00:54:55] Like if I'd have been the attorney
[00:54:56] general, there probably would be a whole
[00:54:58] uh ecosystem saying I wasn't doing
[00:55:00] enough, but I actually think Pam
[00:55:02] Bonnie's done a good job and I'm here to
[00:55:04] be her supporter and and advocate.
[00:55:06] >> Clearly, you are uh here to be her
[00:55:07] supporter and advocate. Um I disagree,
[00:55:09] but whatever. I think
[00:55:11] >> like let's get into that. Took her like
[00:55:13] >> wait but hold on to to I'm not here to
[00:55:15] attack Pam Bondi who I know well and
[00:55:17] I've always liked Pam Bondi but you know
[00:55:20] you were willing as a sitting member of
[00:55:23] the Congress in the House to like go
[00:55:25] after your own party when you thought
[00:55:27] that they were wrong.
[00:55:28] >> Yeah. And I think Trump also believed
[00:55:31] that someone who had been unfairly
[00:55:34] accused of something and who had endured
[00:55:36] the the grind of that justice Yeah.
[00:55:40] would be really interested in fixing it.
[00:55:42] I mean, I I think that's why President
[00:55:44] Trump asked me to do the job is because
[00:55:46] he saw that I could empathize with those
[00:55:48] who had been treated unfairly and that I
[00:55:50] would approach the position with a true
[00:55:52] sense of justice.
[00:55:53] >> I love that. No, I share that view. And
[00:55:56] I do think the only quality that matters
[00:55:58] in a leader is strength. Not so he can
[00:56:01] oppress people. Weak people oppress
[00:56:04] others. Strong people have no need to
[00:56:06] oppress others or rule over others. they
[00:56:07] they can serve others because they're
[00:56:09] not compensating for the void within
[00:56:11] them. And I think you would have been,
[00:56:15] you know, the best person I can think of
[00:56:16] cuz you've been through it. You didn't
[00:56:18] collapse. You married a great girl right
[00:56:20] in the middle of it. You got reelected.
[00:56:21] Like your life shows that you were not
[00:56:23] destroyed by what happened to you. So
[00:56:25] you are strong by definition. And that's
[00:56:27] what we need. And all of America's
[00:56:28] problems are downstream from weak men.
[00:56:30] Obviously, it's why the women are crazy
[00:56:32] because the men are weak. So like, let's
[00:56:34] find a strong one to lead a critical
[00:56:35] agency. That's my like primitive view of
[00:56:38] it, but I think I'm right. What
[00:56:40] happened? Why did you not get that gig?
[00:56:43] >> Uh there were a lot of great people I
[00:56:44] interacted with in the Senate, but at
[00:56:46] the end of the day, there was a core
[00:56:47] block of about half dozen of them who'd
[00:56:49] said they would never vote for me. And
[00:56:52] uh you know I could have endeavored to
[00:56:54] grind that down, maybe win, you know,
[00:56:57] one or two of them possibly over an
[00:56:59] extended period of time, but you saw the
[00:57:02] way courts started enjoining the actions
[00:57:04] of this administration right off the
[00:57:06] bat. Pam Bondi did defeat nationwide
[00:57:09] injunctions as a ruling legal theory.
[00:57:12] And had we not had her and her team
[00:57:15] lined up to do that, I actually think
[00:57:17] that we'd be in a very different
[00:57:18] position today with the deportation
[00:57:20] agenda. Yeah. How can
[00:57:22] >> but but I I mean there look the you know
[00:57:24] how you know how a lot of my
[00:57:25] conversations went. I'm like yes senator
[00:57:27] so and so this is Matt Gates. I'm
[00:57:28] calling about my confirmation for
[00:57:30] attorney. Wait, what was tweeted about
[00:57:31] you now? That was a staffer years ago
[00:57:33] and they were fired immediately.
[00:57:35] [laughter]
[00:57:35] >> Oh, they were that petty.
[00:57:37] >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Several um you know would
[00:57:39] would bring like things I had tweeted
[00:57:41] about them uh to the meeting.
[00:57:43] >> Is that really So the point of your
[00:57:44] attorney general is not to say mean
[00:57:46] things about an individual senator. Like
[00:57:48] what? Talk about making it about you.
[00:57:50] >> Well, yeah, that that and then I had I
[00:57:53] had Senator I had one senator uh you
[00:57:55] know from Oklahoma uh really grill me
[00:57:58] about like my vote against the
[00:58:00] anti-semitism bill and so you how can I
[00:58:03] vote for someone who voted against the
[00:58:04] anti-semitism bill? And I'm thinking
[00:58:05] like is this some like driving issue in
[00:58:07] Oklahoma that I'm
[00:58:09] >> Miss Langford
[00:58:10] >> uh unaware of you just just mentioning
[00:58:14] it.
[00:58:15] Uh yeah, Langford is such a is a weak
[00:58:18] such a weak man. It's sad. Um and is a
[00:58:22] tool for evil in my opinion. So sorry,
[00:58:24] that's what I think. Um but despite you
[00:58:26] know having good qualities, but uh so
[00:58:28] who are the senators who are against
[00:58:29] you? Do you care to name any of them? Uh
[00:58:31] I you know I don't know that that's
[00:58:32] productive but I I think that uh it it
[00:58:35] would it would not be difficult to look
[00:58:37] at the the college of senators who have
[00:58:41] been otherwise problematic for some of
[00:58:44] Trump's appointees and that's that's
[00:58:45] where I had problems.
[00:58:47] >> So you you you decide to bow out.
[00:58:50] >> Yeah. I didn't think that me obtaining
[00:58:52] me doing some multi-week, multi-month
[00:58:55] fight to try to grind down the last of
[00:58:58] Mitch McConnell was somehow going to
[00:59:00] help the administration in the end.
[00:59:01] >> Can I ask you, do you think just since
[00:59:03] you know the system so well because you
[00:59:04] serve within it most of your life, do
[00:59:07] you think there's anything you could
[00:59:08] have traded in exchange for their
[00:59:10] support?
[00:59:11] >> Uh, I don't know. I don't know. I uh
[00:59:15] oftentimes couldn't get a meeting, you
[00:59:16] know, with people like Senator Marowsky
[00:59:18] and Senator Collins. they they were not
[00:59:20] interested in even having a discussion
[00:59:21] with me.
[00:59:22] >> So, it would have been hard to execute a
[00:59:24] trade.
[00:59:25] >> I mean, I think part of the problem is
[00:59:26] you're not the kind of guy who makes
[00:59:28] those trades and that's why they opposed
[00:59:30] you in the first place.
[00:59:31] >> Well, and I think also there's something
[00:59:33] unsettling about my unpredictability.
[00:59:36] You know, people Yeah. people who read
[00:59:38] the script are are easy to predict and
[00:59:41] manage.
[00:59:44] >> So, you wind up with a with a government
[00:59:46] and business. You wind up with a whole
[00:59:48] society run by weak people. [snorts]
[00:59:52] >> Not at the top. Trump's pretty strong
[00:59:53] and I think Vance is strong and I think
[00:59:55] Susie Wilds is strong, but
[00:59:57] >> there's no doubt about what you just
[00:59:58] said, but no, I mean beneath the very,
[01:00:01] you know, you're talking the pinnacle of
[01:00:02] the pyramid. I mean, like all the way
[01:00:04] down. They're just everyone's so weak
[01:00:07] and that's where evil thrives is in
[01:00:10] weakness.
[01:00:11] >> Weakness and risk aversion. And same
[01:00:14] thing, risk aversion is fundamentally
[01:00:16] anti-American. We are a nation of
[01:00:17] risktakers at our best moments. Uh
[01:00:20] that's who we are. But in government,
[01:00:21] it's often, you know, how do I how do I
[01:00:24] avoid any attention or eye uh I I do
[01:00:28] think that, you know, like the riskiest
[01:00:30] thing we've seen is what Obama got
[01:00:31] everybody together to do on December 9th
[01:00:34] of 2016 when he ordered the Russia hoax.
[01:00:37] I think that is really the original sin
[01:00:40] of a lot of this that has happened.
[01:00:42] [snorts] And you know, I certainly would
[01:00:44] have brought a RICO charge against the
[01:00:47] people who were involved in that
[01:00:48] decision-making process and
[01:00:50] participating in the various predicate
[01:00:52] criminal acts. I wouldn't be surprised
[01:00:54] if that's precisely what Pam Bondi does.
[01:00:56] Uh when the when the Biden FBI raided
[01:01:01] Trump's house, they engaged in a
[01:01:05] predicate criminal act to try to get
[01:01:07] information back that was exculpatory as
[01:01:09] to Trump. From my standpoint, that would
[01:01:12] properly venue a RICO charge against the
[01:01:15] major players in the deep state in the
[01:01:17] Southern District of Florida rather than
[01:01:19] in Washington DC where they have uh they
[01:01:22] have an administrative and judicial
[01:01:23] advantage.
[01:01:25] So the Russia hoax was predicated on
[01:01:27] something that I'm pretty sure was a lie
[01:01:30] which is that the Russian government
[01:01:31] stole a trunch of emails from the DNC
[01:01:35] earlier that year.
[01:01:37] Do you think
[01:01:37] >> but it got reinvigorated after like all
[01:01:39] of that got dispensed with then Trump
[01:01:42] won which people weren't expecting and
[01:01:44] Obama on December 9th calls in Clapper
[01:01:46] Brennan Comey and says you guys have got
[01:01:48] to go out and reignite this Russia
[01:01:50] thing. And in that effort you see all of
[01:01:54] this offense against George
[01:01:56] Papidopoulos.
[01:01:57] You see the activation of foreign
[01:02:00] intelligence networks to to try to
[01:02:03] create some predicate for spying on the
[01:02:05] Trump campaign. And you know where we're
[01:02:07] where uh you know where does that leave
[01:02:09] us I think in a like almost a postc coup
[01:02:12] country.
[01:02:13] >> Well we're literally at war with Russia
[01:02:14] today as a result of this hysteria which
[01:02:18] was all the kind of predicate for that
[01:02:20] war and you know it's
[01:02:23] >> like there was some real discussion in
[01:02:24] the '9s going on about extending NATO
[01:02:26] membership to Russia which is what we
[01:02:28] should have done.
[01:02:28] >> What do you mean that Putin in his first
[01:02:31] meeting with George W. Bush was like
[01:02:33] right at the beginning of 2020 20 2001
[01:02:37] said, "I want to join NATO."
[01:02:40] >> Imagine where we would be right now if
[01:02:42] the United States and Russia had created
[01:02:44] peace and a security infrastructure
[01:02:46] around Europe. Uh I think appropriately
[01:02:49] positioned NATO as an alliance against
[01:02:52] the excesses of Sino expansion. It would
[01:02:54] be a safer world. It would be a more
[01:02:56] prosperous world
[01:02:56] >> all the way to Asia because Russia
[01:02:58] extends into Asia and right. So you
[01:03:01] would have a western block, you know, of
[01:03:04] not identical countries. Russia's got a
[01:03:06] different system, different culture,
[01:03:07] different language, different history,
[01:03:09] >> but so many aligned interests with NATO
[01:03:11] when it comes to countering extremism,
[01:03:13] having strong borders, uh, you know, all
[01:03:15] of the things that, uh,
[01:03:16] >> trade, right? One of the most
[01:03:18] mineral-dense countries in the world,
[01:03:19] right?
[01:03:20] >> It's basically a western country,
[01:03:22] produced dastfki. Don't don't tell me
[01:03:24] otherwise. Anyway, yeah, I I couldn't
[01:03:26] agree more, but I just want to get to
[01:03:28] the something I've never gotten past.
[01:03:31] which is the question of whether the
[01:03:33] Russian government stole those emails
[01:03:35] from the DNC during the Democratic
[01:03:38] primary. And then this DNC staffer
[01:03:41] called Seth Rich is murdered in
[01:03:43] Washington DC in a robbery in which his
[01:03:45] wallet is not taken.
[01:03:47] And a number of conservative
[01:03:50] conservative
[01:03:53] people who call themselves conservatives
[01:03:55] went on TV and said, "I think Seth Rich
[01:03:57] was murdered because he knew too much."
[01:03:58] And then those people were either sued
[01:04:00] or threatened with lawsuits from Seth
[01:04:02] Richard's family. So everybody shut up
[01:04:04] about it. And then Julian Assange is
[01:04:07] asked repeatedly, who runs Wikileaks at
[01:04:09] the time before they sell him to prison
[01:04:10] for talking like this, "Did the Russians
[01:04:14] send you that information?" And he goes,
[01:04:15] "No. Did Seth Rich and he says, we're
[01:04:19] not going to talk about that." that. So,
[01:04:20] the heavy implication is that Seth, and
[01:04:22] I don't know the answer despite knowing
[01:04:24] Julian Assange, but um the heavy
[01:04:26] implication was that Seth Rich sent this
[01:04:29] information because he was offended by
[01:04:31] how the DNC was taking Bernie Sanders
[01:04:35] out was was basically all behind Hillary
[01:04:38] Clinton. It was a rigged election and
[01:04:40] they were crushing Bernie Sanders and he
[01:04:42] was offended. So, he leaked these emails
[01:04:43] and they killed him for it and no one
[01:04:45] was allowed to talk about that. I don't
[01:04:46] know if that's what happened, but I knew
[01:04:47] someone at very high level at the DNC
[01:04:49] who thought that thought that's what
[01:04:50] happened and no one's ever talked about
[01:04:52] it again. We we in Congress had people
[01:04:55] that were um doing various roles within
[01:04:59] the DC Police Department come and say we
[01:05:02] want to be whistleblowers and we want to
[01:05:05] talk about the way in which this
[01:05:06] investigation was was truncated and we
[01:05:08] didn't get to really uh do the FBI took
[01:05:12] over. Yeah. Do the shoe leather work.
[01:05:13] But but there's a way that the FBI can
[01:05:16] involve themselves in these
[01:05:18] investigations that doesn't strip the
[01:05:20] agency completely away from their
[01:05:22] partners to also participate. And so
[01:05:25] these whistleblowers were concerned
[01:05:26] about that and then you know ultimately
[01:05:28] [snorts] they they weren't really given
[01:05:29] much of a platform and to
[01:05:31] >> well we never saw Seth Rich's laptop and
[01:05:33] and that story just ended. And I'm not
[01:05:34] alleging,
[01:05:35] >> but like isn't the tell in that how it
[01:05:38] kept shifting? Like first it was the
[01:05:40] emails and then it was uh Vladimir Putin
[01:05:44] had taken over Facebook with $120,000
[01:05:47] and then it was actually like George
[01:05:48] Papidopoulos uh in in a London bar. Uh
[01:05:52] then it was Don Jr. at Trump Tower. It
[01:05:55] was it was uh an effort to uh obscure
[01:05:59] the lack of quality in any of these
[01:06:01] theories by just having a sufficient
[01:06:03] quantity of them.
[01:06:04] >> Well, that's always that's that's called
[01:06:07] flooding the zone and that's what
[01:06:08] happened. I'm watching that happen right
[01:06:10] now. Um that's what always that is the
[01:06:12] most classic move of anyone involved in
[01:06:15] a SCOP with the intel community. Um
[01:06:18] yeah, you just you just fl you see this
[01:06:20] with UAPs. It's pretty obvious what they
[01:06:22] are actually in my view, but no, it's
[01:06:24] it's this. It's men from Mars. It's a
[01:06:27] advanced technology program. It's like
[01:06:29] whatever. Yeah. They flood it with too
[01:06:31] many theories. And you think that's what
[01:06:33] happened there?
[01:06:34] >> Of course, because none of the theories
[01:06:35] could individually hold water. And I I
[01:06:37] had a recent conversation with CIA
[01:06:39] director John Ratcliffe where and I like
[01:06:41] John, but I I chastised him for not
[01:06:44] answering some of these like fundamental
[01:06:47] questions. Joseph Miffs was this
[01:06:50] professor who was drawn into an
[01:06:52] intelligence operation against the
[01:06:53] United States. He was drawn into that
[01:06:55] operation either by the United States or
[01:06:57] one of our allies. How do we not know
[01:06:58] the answer to that question? This was
[01:07:00] the this was the key thing that that we
[01:07:02] said we were going to uncover when we
[01:07:04] got power. And uh I know they got a lot
[01:07:07] of work to do to keep the country safe,
[01:07:08] but I would encourage the director of
[01:07:10] the CIA to really tell us the CIA's
[01:07:13] role.
[01:07:13] >> What's the answer, do you Well, I
[01:07:15] believe that uh
[01:07:17] some of this crowd in the Obama
[01:07:19] administration knew that their direct
[01:07:22] management of an asset against the Trump
[01:07:24] administration would create paperwork,
[01:07:26] payments, you know, complicating things
[01:07:28] that could be found out. And so they
[01:07:30] went to other uh other European
[01:07:32] countries and said, you know, you do us
[01:07:34] a favor, we do you a favor, but the
[01:07:36] favor we want from you is actually to go
[01:07:38] against our country, our presidential
[01:07:40] candidate, Donald Trump. And that is
[01:07:42] treasonous. That is straight treason to
[01:07:45] ask another country to attack your
[01:07:47] country. Uh and I think that occurred
[01:07:49] and I think that if we knew uh who had
[01:07:52] authorized that we we would have a
[01:07:54] person to be at the center of this
[01:07:56] broader Rico conspiracy.
[01:07:58] >> Yeah. And it traditionally it's been
[01:08:00] Britain and France who play that role.
[01:08:02] Um
[01:08:03] >> huge intel presence in Italy as well.
[01:08:06] >> Exactly.
[01:08:06] >> It's one of the biggest. Now with the
[01:08:08] growth of NATO under this war, it's
[01:08:11] >> Romania, it's Eastern Europe, it's
[01:08:13] wherever you have a NATO base, you have
[01:08:14] there are a lot of other things that
[01:08:15] come with it,
[01:08:17] >> of course. So you've seen this a lot
[01:08:19] where American political actors or IC
[01:08:22] members in the United States use foreign
[01:08:24] governments to do their work for them.
[01:08:27] >> Yeah. And I I u am concerned that that
[01:08:31] doesn't just happen abroad, that that
[01:08:32] happens even within the eight square
[01:08:34] miles of Washington DC.
[01:08:36] Did you feel when you worked there that
[01:08:38] there was a lot of intrigue?
[01:08:41] >> You know, there's always intrigue, but I
[01:08:43] I think that um a lot of the decisions
[01:08:46] that get made in Washington are detached
[01:08:49] from the elected leaders and there
[01:08:52] probably should be more intrigue.
[01:08:53] Actually, our lawmakers should be more
[01:08:55] curious and inquisitive and skeptical.
[01:09:00] >> What do you mean a lot of the decisions
[01:09:01] that are made are detached from elected
[01:09:03] leaders? Well, look, take a take these
[01:09:05] bills that get written, right? Like, do
[01:09:07] you think that anyone who voted for the
[01:09:09] one big beautiful bill act was trying to
[01:09:11] outlaw hemp? Like, it it just was stuck
[01:09:14] in the bill and then they voted for it.
[01:09:16] And however you feel about hemp, I think
[01:09:19] it's kind of crazy that uh an issue
[01:09:22] wouldn't even get its own dignity. like
[01:09:24] the the lashing together of disperate
[01:09:26] issues for just an up or down vote that
[01:09:28] kind of becomes a shirts and skins um uh
[01:09:32] exercise is a way to detach from the
[01:09:36] realities of the decision-m and those
[01:09:38] decisions are made by staff by interest
[01:09:40] groups by foreign countries at times.
[01:09:44] >> What's going to happen in the next two
[01:09:45] election cycles? I think we are uh
[01:09:49] headed for a blood bath in the midterms
[01:09:51] for a few reasons, primarily history. Uh
[01:09:54] you the president's party loses seats
[01:09:56] during the midterms. I don't think I'm
[01:09:58] breaking any news there. Um and I I
[01:10:01] think that the other side's just really
[01:10:04] worked up and they they have an
[01:10:05] organizing principle. The organizing
[01:10:07] principle of the left in America today
[01:10:09] is we hate Trump. And they don't really
[01:10:11] need any more than that. And there's
[01:10:13] something elegant politically about
[01:10:15] using that to activate voters.
[01:10:17] >> Yeah, totally.
[01:10:18] >> Whereas we're trying to tell people to
[01:10:20] reward us for securing the border. And
[01:10:24] voting is rarely an exercise in
[01:10:27] rewarding prior conduct. It is always
[01:10:30] about new promises. Uh what are the new
[01:10:33] promises you're making? And right now, a
[01:10:35] lot of people have economic anxiety
[01:10:37] around the cost of living. And I think
[01:10:39] the Democrats again have an elegant
[01:10:41] presentation to make which is we're
[01:10:43] going to take the things that cost you a
[01:10:45] lot of money and have the government
[01:10:46] provide those to you and then those
[01:10:48] things won't cost you a lot of money.
[01:10:50] And we try to make an argument about
[01:10:52] economic theory that doesn't always land
[01:10:54] with the same poignance.
[01:10:56] >> So midterms in a year very tough.
[01:10:59] >> Yeah. We I think I think Hakeim Jeff
[01:11:01] becomes the speaker. I think that uh
[01:11:04] they will then be the problem is the
[01:11:06] candy becomes the poison for them
[01:11:09] because uh when they do this big elect
[01:11:12] us so that we can use all these tools to
[01:11:15] fight Trump then once once they get that
[01:11:18] power they're going to be pressed to
[01:11:20] continually use the silliest ones and
[01:11:23] think about what they've already you
[01:11:24] they've already used like the the
[01:11:25] attempted application of criminal law
[01:11:27] that backfired they already used the
[01:11:29] impeachment process that backfired and
[01:11:31] so what What I think Democrats believe
[01:11:34] or or what they've recently been
[01:11:36] conditioned to believe is that shutdowns
[01:11:38] are good for them under Trump. That
[01:11:39] that's good politics. So my prediction
[01:11:42] is Democrats win the midterms. They
[01:11:44] execute a series of ransomlike shutdowns
[01:11:48] uh on Trump. The country gets weary of
[01:11:51] that and probably elects JD Vance
[01:11:53] president in 2028.
[01:11:54] >> What's the field look like in 2028
[01:11:56] >> on on our side?
[01:11:58] I mean, I'm just assuming that there
[01:12:01] will be, you know, Ted C I mean, Ted
[01:12:03] Cruz is running, I guess,
[01:12:04] >> against you, apparently, which is
[01:12:06] >> I'm not
[01:12:07] I've never seen that. It's it's odd to
[01:12:09] have someone running for president
[01:12:10] against that the organizing principle of
[01:12:13] their campaign is to attack someone else
[01:12:15] who is not running for president.
[01:12:16] [laughter] It's it's a novel
[01:12:18] >> or ever will for Ted, but you know, Ted,
[01:12:20] >> what is that? Ted and Ronda Santis uh
[01:12:22] both want to be president really bad,
[01:12:23] but they're just they suffer from a
[01:12:25] likability problem and and they're not
[01:12:27] really having a good time.
[01:12:28] >> I can tell.
[01:12:29] >> And when you run for president,
[01:12:31] >> looks miserable.
[01:12:32] >> When you run for president, there's an
[01:12:34] element of it where the people have to
[01:12:35] feel like they're a part of something
[01:12:37] fun. And and that's [clears throat]
[01:12:38] something Trump understood. That's
[01:12:39] something Charlie Kirk understood. And
[01:12:42] you know, for for Ron and Ted, it is,
[01:12:45] you know, the campaign is sort of
[01:12:46] something they have to do in order to
[01:12:48] get the power that they seek. So what is
[01:12:50] that int? I mean I could see you know
[01:12:51] Ronda Santz has been really successful
[01:12:53] in a lot of ways.
[01:12:54] >> I would vote for him again for governor.
[01:12:56] If if he could run again for governor
[01:12:57] Florida I would too despite the fact he
[01:13:00] signed a hate speech law in Israel which
[01:13:02] is like so offensive to me as an
[01:13:04] American. Not cuz I'm against Israel but
[01:13:06] we don't have hate speech laws in the
[01:13:07] United States. And when we do we don't
[01:13:08] sign them in foreign countries. So I you
[01:13:10] know what
[01:13:11] >> but you'd still vote for him again
[01:13:12] >> for governor of Florida? Oh without
[01:13:14] thinking about it for sure. I think he's
[01:13:16] been a great governor. You could
[01:13:18] whatever quibble about it, but generally
[01:13:20] no. He's been great. I totally agree.
[01:13:22] >> But Ted Cruz is not going to be
[01:13:25] president. Ob obviously nobody thinks
[01:13:27] that. I'm sure Mrs. Cruz doesn't think
[01:13:29] that. She probably wants to get out of
[01:13:30] the house. Who knows what's going But
[01:13:32] why doesn't Ted, who's famously
[01:13:34] obviously the smartest person in
[01:13:35] America, why can't he see that?
[01:13:38] >> Well, I I I think that, as we were
[01:13:40] discussing earlier, uh running for
[01:13:42] president is an itch that doesn't go
[01:13:43] away with one scratch. I think that, you
[01:13:45] know, he believed he should have
[01:13:47] defeated Trump in the 2016 election and
[01:13:50] he's toiling in the Senate until he gets
[01:13:52] gets a bite at the apple. I think on the
[01:13:54] other side, I I would have believed
[01:13:56] before Kla Harris that the Democrats had
[01:13:59] nominated their last straight white guy
[01:14:01] that that Yeah, they're just not I mean,
[01:14:03] it is that, you know, it is a movement
[01:14:05] that stands against straightness and
[01:14:08] white people.
[01:14:08] >> Is Gavin straight?
[01:14:10] >> I I I He seems to be pretty enthusiastic
[01:14:13] heterosexual. uh based on some of his
[01:14:15] personal conduct. Again,
[01:14:17] >> you never know. It could be an omnivore.
[01:14:18] There are some of those.
[01:14:19] >> Uh yeah, we're not the bedroom police,
[01:14:21] but
[01:14:22] >> Oh, no. I I don't even want to think
[01:14:23] about it, honestly.
[01:14:25] >> But uh Nome has at least demonstrated
[01:14:28] power.
[01:14:29] >> And I think that is what Democrats have
[01:14:31] lacked in this time in the wilderness,
[01:14:33] in the Trump era, is that no one steps
[01:14:35] up and says, "I'm ready to use power
[01:14:37] effectively." And when Gavin Newsome
[01:14:39] stole those congressional seats with
[01:14:42] Prop 50 in California, it it was an
[01:14:44] effective exercise of power. And I think
[01:14:47] voters may reward him for that. Uh uh
[01:14:49] you know, someone else in the Democratic
[01:14:51] party who wants to be president told me
[01:14:53] that it was actually Kla Harris who has
[01:14:56] like reignited the prospects of Gavin
[01:14:58] Newsome. If they had just run Biden and
[01:15:00] lost, they would have never gone back to
[01:15:01] another straight white guy. But, uh,
[01:15:03] rolling out Harris and the embarrassment
[01:15:06] that that was has people thinking, well,
[01:15:08] you know, maybe we don't want to try
[01:15:10] this again.
[01:15:10] >> No, that's that's I believe that. Uh,
[01:15:13] just knowing what they're like. They're
[01:15:14] just they're just transactional. They
[01:15:16] just want power. That's it. They don't
[01:15:17] have any beliefs. They just want to be
[01:15:18] in charge. And I get it. I find it
[01:15:20] terrifying. Uh, but that's who they are.
[01:15:23] And I also think that when Gavin started
[01:15:25] going on conservative podcasts, that's
[01:15:28] when I was like, "Oo, you are
[01:15:30] formidable." I mean, he didn't, you
[01:15:31] know, defend his own policies very
[01:15:34] effectively, but it didn't matter. He he
[01:15:35] like went on other people's podcasts and
[01:15:37] took questions. Ballsy.
[01:15:40] >> Yeah. Well, that in that in in essence
[01:15:42] is an indictment of Harris because
[01:15:44] Harris could not have an extended
[01:15:46] intelligent conversation about anything.
[01:15:48] And so, just getting over the most basic
[01:15:51] of hurdles to be able to string
[01:15:52] sentences together was this great
[01:15:54] display of talent in the Democratic
[01:15:56] party.
[01:15:56] >> And he'll say anything. He just doesn't
[01:15:57] >> Yeah. But look at what they've been
[01:15:58] through, right? Joe Biden never did
[01:16:01] extended discussions. Harris never did
[01:16:02] extended discussions. So he was giving
[01:16:04] the base at least some viewpoint into
[01:16:07] into his thinking on things.
[01:16:08] >> So you think Gavin will be the nominee
[01:16:11] >> right now? I would say so. I think that
[01:16:13] AOC is going to make a compelling run
[01:16:16] and I think she will be formidable as
[01:16:18] well.
[01:16:20] If Bernie really does the handoff like
[01:16:22] you and I like Bernie has this like kind
[01:16:24] of goofy professor persona but in
[01:16:27] reality Bernie's like a deeply selfish
[01:16:29] person. He's selfish and he's a total
[01:16:32] coward and and he believes he is the
[01:16:34] leader of the Democratic party. Well,
[01:16:36] but he's won every argument in it. Maybe
[01:16:38] he is the leader of the Democratic
[01:16:40] party. Like if you look on policy,
[01:16:42] Bernie is has won the argument on this
[01:16:45] shift towards socialism. But, you know,
[01:16:47] they the party structurally did things
[01:16:50] twice to stop him from becoming the
[01:16:52] nominee.
[01:16:53] >> They stole the election from him twice.
[01:16:56] >> Yeah.
[01:16:56] >> And he sat back and is like, "Oh, I'm
[01:16:58] been kind of a sexist. I'm sorry." I
[01:17:00] mean, he's such a [ __ ] coward. I
[01:17:03] can't deal with it. If he was real, at
[01:17:05] least I would respect it. AOC, same
[01:17:07] thing.
[01:17:09] >> Yeah. ASC is a very different person
[01:17:11] today than when she got to Congress, you
[01:17:13] know, in terms
[01:17:14] >> totally corrupted,
[01:17:15] >> co-opted uh
[01:17:16] >> completely. Oh, the Gaza war is fine.
[01:17:18] It's like what?
[01:17:20] >> She when we were ousting McCarthy, like
[01:17:22] she came up to me and was like, you
[01:17:23] know, I really respect this because I'll
[01:17:25] be honest, we don't have the guts to do
[01:17:26] this on our side.
[01:17:27] >> What's she like?
[01:17:29] >> Uh before January 6th, she was
[01:17:31] incredibly chummy with Republicans in
[01:17:33] Congress. Would regularly come over to
[01:17:35] our side, sit down, hang out, talk about
[01:17:37] her day. Uh,
[01:17:38] >> did you ever date her?
[01:17:39] >> I did not. No.
[01:17:40] >> Did you try?
[01:17:41] >> No. And uh not my cup of tea. But she uh
[01:17:45] after January 6th uh like treated us all
[01:17:47] like you know we had horns or something.
[01:17:49] >> So she gave this kind of famous
[01:17:51] statement after January 6th and said you
[01:17:52] know as a trauma survivor I was
[01:17:54] traumatized. I was almost killed that
[01:17:56] day.
[01:17:58] >> Do you think was that real?
[01:18:00] >> No. But it is reflective of the
[01:18:02] performance art of of Congress and it
[01:18:06] was just bad performance art. How could
[01:18:07] you get points from anyone for being
[01:18:09] like, "Yeah, I'm a I'm a terrified
[01:18:11] little girl."
[01:18:12] >> Because on
[01:18:13] >> I find that contempt. No, you can't be
[01:18:14] in charge of anything if you're a
[01:18:15] terrified little girl. Sorry.
[01:18:16] >> But we are a society that is
[01:18:18] increasingly built on grievance
[01:18:20] identity. Um you are the the the
[01:18:23] grievance that you can access, right?
[01:18:25] And so if you are uh you know a woman,
[01:18:28] that's can be a source of grievance if
[01:18:30] you're a minority. And then like you
[01:18:31] have you have people who are just odd
[01:18:33] and say, "Well, maybe if I'm trans, then
[01:18:35] that can be this source of grievance."
[01:18:37] And then you have a bunch of men, white
[01:18:38] men, looking around saying, "Well, I
[01:18:40] guess I'll be a drug addict because then
[01:18:41] like that can be my my source of
[01:18:43] grievance." And uh you know that she was
[01:18:47] leaning into that. She wanted to show
[01:18:48] that she had been agrieved by this act
[01:18:50] and and should be owed some some unique
[01:18:53] empathy,
[01:18:54] >> but she revealed that she's afraid that
[01:18:57] she's a coward. Like how is that a
[01:19:00] thing people respect on a gut level is
[01:19:04] strength and courage? That's it. So I
[01:19:07] just don't I don't get like what's the
[01:19:09] >> I mean yeah strength, courage and
[01:19:10] sincerity grows from strength and
[01:19:13] courage.
[01:19:14] >> I'm brave enough to tell you what I
[01:19:15] really think.
[01:19:16] >> Yeah. And I I got to a point where I was
[01:19:19] I was confident enough with my district
[01:19:21] where I could say the things I believed
[01:19:23] that I knew they didn't because even if
[01:19:26] they disagreed with me on a subject
[01:19:28] there they knew I came to that view
[01:19:30] sincerely that I wasn't holding
[01:19:32] marijuana legalization is something you
[01:19:33] and I disagree on. Yeah. Uh I I
[01:19:36] disagreed with a majority of my
[01:19:37] constituents on that point. I authored
[01:19:39] Florida's marijuana law. I support
[01:19:41] President Trump rescheduling marijuana.
[01:19:43] And uh the when when people at my First
[01:19:48] Baptist church in Fort Walton Beach,
[01:19:50] Florida, came up to me to say they
[01:19:51] really disagreed with me on that, they
[01:19:54] did not vote against me as a consequence
[01:19:56] because they knew that that these were
[01:19:57] views that that I sincerely hold.
[01:20:00] >> Well, I I I I could be one of those
[01:20:02] congregants at the baptist in the
[01:20:05] Baptist church [snorts] because I I
[01:20:07] agree with that. you know, I don't
[01:20:08] expect people to agree with all of my
[01:20:09] eccentric views or my heartfelt views.
[01:20:11] It's okay. We're different people, but
[01:20:13] can't deal with falseness at all.
[01:20:16] >> And and that I think was the magic of
[01:20:18] Trump. And I think that's a magic that
[01:20:20] he knows he needs to reignite on the
[01:20:21] campaign trail going into these
[01:20:22] midterms. The the connection directly
[01:20:25] with the American voter that no matter
[01:20:28] who you are, if you're the president and
[01:20:29] behind the Resolute Desk and in the Rose
[01:20:31] Garden, it's a different experience than
[01:20:33] being out on the trail in Lancaster,
[01:20:35] Pennsylvania. So, what's AOCC's lane? Is
[01:20:38] it the
[01:20:39] >> the Bernie lane?
[01:20:40] >> Okay. But the Bernie lane was the
[01:20:42] economic lane, which I always had
[01:20:44] respect for. I didn't agree with all of
[01:20:45] it, but we've got too many billionaires
[01:20:48] and not a big enough middle class.
[01:20:50] That's true. That's factually true. And
[01:20:51] anyone who says it, I will agree with.
[01:20:53] >> And he used to say that
[01:20:54] >> in the open borders lane. I mean,
[01:20:55] >> totally. Well, they're two are related.
[01:20:57] I mean, we have all these billion open
[01:20:59] borders.
[01:20:59] >> They weren't always. I mean, Bernie at
[01:21:01] one point as part of his like
[01:21:02] pro-American worker agenda was actually
[01:21:04] for restricted immigration.
[01:21:06] >> But no, no, I'm saying they're related
[01:21:07] in that,
[01:21:08] >> but it's the AOC coralary. It's to take
[01:21:09] the Bernie social issue like economic
[01:21:12] socialism and lash it to unchecked
[01:21:14] border borders.
[01:21:15] >> If you care about the the lopsided
[01:21:19] economy where all the wealth is
[01:21:20] concentrated in too few hands and the
[01:21:22] country's becoming unstable as a result,
[01:21:24] it's becoming pre-chavist Venezuela.
[01:21:26] We're going to get a revolution if this
[01:21:28] continues. I wrote a book about this.
[01:21:30] If you care about that, you have to ask,
[01:21:32] how did that happen? And the main way it
[01:21:34] happened was by unchecked immigration,
[01:21:36] which devalued labor. That's people have
[01:21:39] less economic power because they're more
[01:21:41] people willing to work for less. It's
[01:21:42] really simple. It's why organized labor
[01:21:44] always supported immigration
[01:21:46] restrictions. They're the ones who got
[01:21:47] them in 1924. They closed the borders
[01:21:49] for that reason. And Bernie was from
[01:21:52] that tradition. And I always respected
[01:21:53] it. And then he became this kind of, you
[01:21:56] know, neoliberal hybrid where he's like,
[01:21:58] "Oh, we got to fight Russia and it's
[01:22:00] racist to be against borders and like
[01:22:02] what?" You know what I mean? We have to
[01:22:05] send money to Israel. What? Like, so I
[01:22:08] don't think that's a real lane. I don't
[01:22:09] think it's sustainable lane. Do you? It
[01:22:12] it it is a sufficient cohort of voters
[01:22:14] to virtue signal kind of a a reignition
[01:22:18] of Bernie's economic policies alongside
[01:22:21] like the that she will stand up and say
[01:22:23] no more money for Israel, no more money
[01:22:25] for ICE and universal basic income for
[01:22:28] Americans and open borders.
[01:22:31] That will be the core of the
[01:22:32] >> open borders with universal basic income
[01:22:35] >> and print more by the way. Like I mean
[01:22:37] did you see what we just did in the
[01:22:39] economy in this past week? We are we are
[01:22:41] printing money to buy our own debt right
[01:22:43] now.
[01:22:44] >> The self-licking ice cream cone, the
[01:22:45] electric windmill,
[01:22:48] [laughter]
[01:22:50] I know there's
[01:22:53] >> right
[01:22:53] >> how much of it is real when we're
[01:22:55] printing money to buy our own debt.
[01:22:58] >> Yeah. And the explosion of personal
[01:23:00] wealth among people I know is just
[01:23:03] unbelie
[01:23:04] not me but I at all but I all of a
[01:23:08] sudden you know people who are just like
[01:23:10] you know worth hundreds and hundreds of
[01:23:12] millions of dollars whereas I never and
[01:23:14] I grew up in rich people world I never
[01:23:16] really knew anyone with hundreds and
[01:23:17] hundreds of millions.
[01:23:18] >> One in every 10 Americans is a
[01:23:19] millionaire now
[01:23:22] >> actually.
[01:23:22] >> Yeah.
[01:23:24] >> You're including assets.
[01:23:25] >> Yeah.
[01:23:25] >> Yeah. Well homeowners are millionaires
[01:23:27] now. So well and and that you know if
[01:23:30] you talk about the revolution coming I
[01:23:31] mean housing is as likely to be a part
[01:23:33] of that as anything else because the way
[01:23:35] housing is indexed to what people make
[01:23:37] and what they can afford is insane in
[01:23:39] this country.
[01:23:40] >> Yeah. And I'm totally opposed to
[01:23:42] revolutions. However, if there was ever
[01:23:44] a reason to have one, it's that that's a
[01:23:46] that's a real grievance. I think that's
[01:23:47] totally
[01:23:47] >> Isn't it kind of what all revolutions
[01:23:49] are about? Like where am I going to
[01:23:51] live? What's going to
[01:23:52] >> Yeah. And how do my kids have kids? You
[01:23:53] know, how does this continue? How do my
[01:23:55] genes thrive when I'm gone? I mean Yeah.
[01:23:57] Have you noticed this trend online where
[01:23:59] all these like uh lonely women in their
[01:24:01] 30s are making car selfie videos about
[01:24:03] their personal anguish that they can't
[01:24:05] find men? I post one recently got
[01:24:07] millions of views and it what what's so
[01:24:10] like I feel com I feel comp I feel sad
[01:24:13] for these women. I mean my wife has so
[01:24:16] many friends who are beautiful,
[01:24:18] accomplished, wonderful people but they
[01:24:20] cannot find men. they cannot find men to
[01:24:22] to marry them and it they start to feel
[01:24:25] the clock ticking and it's it's really a
[01:24:28] lonely world out there.
[01:24:29] >> Well, I think it's important to identify
[01:24:31] how we got here and certain bad ideas
[01:24:33] played a huge role. feminism, which is
[01:24:35] like just a total lie on every level,
[01:24:37] but also the way the economy is
[01:24:39] structured where businesses decided it
[01:24:42] would be a good idea to bring women into
[01:24:43] the workforce a better idea than say
[01:24:46] like supporting families or allowing
[01:24:48] people to have children like was more
[01:24:49] important to have female workers than it
[01:24:52] was to have American families.
[01:24:53] >> This is a this is a constant discussion
[01:24:54] we have on on my One American News
[01:24:56] program is like, can you have both?
[01:24:58] Because I do see women who excel in
[01:25:01] people can have both who build
[01:25:03] businesses, who have great ideas and are
[01:25:05] the center of their family.
[01:25:07] >> Well, I certainly know a lot of women in
[01:25:09] the workplace who are amazing. And if
[01:25:11] women left the workforce, you know, my
[01:25:13] business would fall apart.
[01:25:14] >> Yeah. I mean,
[01:25:15] >> and [clears throat] they're the best.
[01:25:16] And anyone who's an employer, I'm a
[01:25:19] small bore employer, will tell you
[01:25:21] female employees, man, they're
[01:25:22] >> there's some jobs type A women.
[01:25:24] >> Well, that's crush it.
[01:25:26] >> That is 100% right. of course. And uh
[01:25:29] and they're also like just the greatest
[01:25:30] people to work with if you're a man
[01:25:33] because there's no competition. They're
[01:25:34] so nice. They're always nice. I I've I'm
[01:25:36] 56. I've never had a dispute with a
[01:25:39] woman at work ever. Not one. I've seen
[01:25:41] them mistreat each other in a way the
[01:25:43] North Koreans could learn from. It's
[01:25:45] like truly cruel the way they behave to
[01:25:48] each other. But if you're a male
[01:25:49] employer having female employees, it is
[01:25:52] 100% upside. They will never stop
[01:25:54] thinking about their job. They will
[01:25:56] never stop being nice to you. They're
[01:25:58] great at their job. Certain jobs,
[01:26:00] they're the only ones who can do it
[01:26:01] because they
[01:26:02] >> Do you think men are out there looking
[01:26:03] for jobless women? Because I certainly
[01:26:05] wasn't when I was like, you know, single
[01:26:06] and trying to find a wife. I I was not
[01:26:08] out there like
[01:26:10] seeking someone who had nothing else
[01:26:12] going on but to serve me in a marriage.
[01:26:14] I think it people's passions and
[01:26:16] >> women will choose their family if given
[01:26:18] their choice and some won't. I mean,
[01:26:21] there's of anomalies in every cohort,
[01:26:23] but
[01:26:23] >> but what do you say to the ones who are
[01:26:24] like, "I want to make that choice." This
[01:26:27] millions of women out there that are
[01:26:28] like, "Please present me the guy who
[01:26:31] isn't spending all this day playing
[01:26:33] Fortnite and, you know, hanging out at
[01:26:35] the tattoo park."
[01:26:35] >> Well, look, men, the first thing to know
[01:26:36] is men and women need each other. They
[01:26:38] can't exist separately or they're
[01:26:39] destroyed. They have to destroy
[01:26:41] themselves 100%. They fit together like
[01:26:43] puzzle pieces and they can't live alone.
[01:26:45] Again, there are exceptions to all of
[01:26:47] these rules, but over populations, these
[01:26:48] are hard and fast rules that have
[01:26:50] existed since Adam and Eve. So, it's
[01:26:51] just a fact. And if you ignore that
[01:26:53] fact, you'll be destroyed. And we are
[01:26:54] because we've ignored it. So, most
[01:26:57] women, if given the choice between going
[01:27:00] to work at JP Morgan or staying home and
[01:27:03] raising their small children, will of
[01:27:06] course choose staying home and raising
[01:27:07] their small children if they're given
[01:27:08] the choice. They're not given the choice
[01:27:10] cuz feminism, total [ __ ] lie. There
[01:27:12] no choices. Get to work. Well, often
[01:27:14] times it's people's economic conditions
[01:27:15] that take the choice away. If you're if
[01:27:17] you're sitting on $130,000 in student
[01:27:19] loans because you were told that you had
[01:27:20] this great
[01:27:21] >> That's the point I'm making.
[01:27:22] >> Great future.
[01:27:22] >> They don't have a choice. That's why
[01:27:23] they do it. And it's a Hobson's choice.
[01:27:26] >> But it's not marital bondage as much as
[01:27:28] it's economic bondage to debt.
[01:27:30] >> Marriage isn't bondage for women.
[01:27:34] Marriage, family is the context in which
[01:27:36] women have the most power. Women have no
[01:27:38] power outside of their relationships.
[01:27:39] Women are relational. So if you want to
[01:27:41] empower women,
[01:27:42] >> have power in business, they can have
[01:27:44] wealth, they can have money.
[01:27:45] >> That's not power. That's not power.
[01:27:49] Who has more power over you? Your
[01:27:51] employee or your mom? Your employee or
[01:27:53] your wife? Your employee or your
[01:27:54] employer or your daughter? Real power is
[01:27:57] the power to influence other people. And
[01:28:00] women outside the family have very
[01:28:01] little within the family. They have huge
[01:28:03] power. There's no man,
[01:28:04] >> almost all of it.
[01:28:05] >> Almost all of it. There's no man who
[01:28:07] ignores his wife. There's no son who
[01:28:09] ignores his mother. There's no father
[01:28:10] who ignores his daughter. And so, I
[01:28:13] mean, there may be, but they're they're
[01:28:14] freaks. The average man is influenced by
[01:28:17] women in the family more than any other
[01:28:19] place. So, if you want to empower women,
[01:28:22] put them at the center of a family. If
[01:28:23] you want to disempower them, put them at
[01:28:25] the center of City Bank. It's super
[01:28:27] simple. And liars and dumb people like
[01:28:30] [ __ ] feminists like, "No, real power
[01:28:32] comes from money and job title." And
[01:28:34] it's like, that's a lie. And anyone who
[01:28:36] believes that is an idiot. But they
[01:28:39] think it's their power to get a man.
[01:28:40] Like there was this theory that the way
[01:28:43] you prepare yourself to get the husband
[01:28:45] you want is to showcase like your
[01:28:47] LinkedIn resume and and [laughter] your
[01:28:49] and your
[01:28:50] >> who told them that?
[01:28:51] >> I think you don't you don't think there
[01:28:53] are a lot of women who are going to wa
[01:28:55] watch this program. They may have tuned
[01:28:56] out by now. Uh to say and say, "Yeah,
[01:28:59] like I actually thought if I had the big
[01:29:01] job and had the house that a man would
[01:29:03] want."
[01:29:04] >> Are you being serious? I mean, look, I
[01:29:06] shouldn't be surprised if people believe
[01:29:07] dumb things because look around.
[01:29:09] >> But that's the dumbest of all. Look,
[01:29:12] >> imagine believing that and now being
[01:29:13] caught.
[01:29:14] >> How much social science do we need?
[01:29:16] First of all, we don't need any cuz we
[01:29:17] just know our lived experiences. But
[01:29:19] there's a lot of study on this. If
[01:29:20] you're interested, I happen to be. Women
[01:29:23] do not want to marry men who make less
[01:29:25] than they do. Period. In any society in
[01:29:27] which that becomes the case, you find
[01:29:30] marriage dropping off a cliff. That's
[01:29:31] what happened to black America. Black
[01:29:32] people used to be married like everybody
[01:29:34] else. Then black women started making
[01:29:36] more than black men. The marriage rate
[01:29:37] declined. Rural America, rural whites, I
[01:29:40] live in a place like this. The women on
[01:29:41] average make more than the men because
[01:29:42] they work at the hospitals and the
[01:29:43] schools. The men have only seasonal
[01:29:45] work. Guess what? No marriage. So if you
[01:29:48] want to discourage marriage,
[01:29:50] set up a system where the women make
[01:29:51] more, which is the system that we have.
[01:29:53] That's why people don't get married
[01:29:54] because women make more. And the women
[01:29:56] are making that decision. They don't
[01:29:57] want to. They may want to sleep with
[01:29:58] him. They may want to have his babies.
[01:29:59] They don't want to marry him. It's just
[01:30:00] a fact. Ask them. Ask a woman, "Do you
[01:30:04] want to marry a man who's shorter than
[01:30:05] you or makes less than you?" And the
[01:30:07] answer is no. But nobody asks women
[01:30:09] because nobody cares because the idea is
[01:30:11] to destroy the country, its people, and
[01:30:13] its most basic structure, the family.
[01:30:15] So, it's just like, "We're going to do
[01:30:16] this in your name and tell you what you
[01:30:18] want." But they don't want that. And if
[01:30:19] you ask ask 15 women, "Do you want to
[01:30:21] marry a man who's shorter than you or
[01:30:22] makes less than you?"
[01:30:23] >> No, I've asked. And yeah, you're right.
[01:30:24] It's I'm I'm so lonely. I need to find
[01:30:27] someone. I have so much love to give.
[01:30:29] I've built a great life. I want to share
[01:30:30] it with someone. And then it's like,
[01:30:32] okay, well, a woman says that.
[01:30:33] >> Oh, no. Women say this. And then I say,
[01:30:35] well, like, are you cool?
[01:30:35] >> That's the dumbest thing I've ever
[01:30:36] heard.
[01:30:37] >> Are you cool with a guy who like makes
[01:30:39] less than 100 grand? Well, you know,
[01:30:41] that shows that he doesn't have
[01:30:42] ambition. Oh, what about someone who's a
[01:30:43] little shorter? Well, I want to feel,
[01:30:45] you know, I want to feel feminine. And
[01:30:47] if someone's shorter, that I don't think
[01:30:48] I'll be able to. Things are more [ __ ]
[01:30:50] up than I real people actually believe
[01:30:51] that. What? Look, a man's job is to
[01:30:54] protect and provide.
[01:30:56] Period. Those are his jobs. Protect and
[01:30:58] provide. period.
[01:30:59] >> Yeah. But when that class of men is
[01:31:01] shrinking because testosterone is
[01:31:03] falling because of the kind of the war
[01:31:05] on masculinity that we've endured for
[01:31:07] the last 40 years, um when that resource
[01:31:10] isn't available, then women start to
[01:31:12] say, "Well, I've I've got to put a roof
[01:31:14] over my own head. I've got to protect
[01:31:15] and provide for myself." And there are a
[01:31:17] lot of them who would say, "Where is my
[01:31:18] protector and provider?"
[01:31:19] >> I get it. I'm not attacking women. I'm
[01:31:21] just at all. I feel so I've got three
[01:31:23] daughters. I feel so sorry for women. I
[01:31:26] I do. And I, as a man, I always blame
[01:31:29] the man first. Always. 100%. It's your
[01:31:31] job. You're the man. Your wife's
[01:31:32] unhappy. Whose fault is that? Yours.
[01:31:34] >> The kids are out of control.
[01:31:35] >> The job of a husband to keep your wife
[01:31:37] >> 100%. That's your job. I I literally
[01:31:40] couldn't agree more. And if she's a
[01:31:41] drunk or something,
[01:31:42] >> it's not going to work. It's out of your
[01:31:44] control. But in a normal marriage with
[01:31:45] two sober people who are kind of trying,
[01:31:47] it is up to you. By the way, her
[01:31:50] happiness is not contingent on yours.
[01:31:52] Your happiness is contingent on hers.
[01:31:54] That's the great equalizer designed by
[01:31:56] God to keep balance in a in a
[01:31:58] relationship.
[01:31:59] >> I don't know a single man who's truly
[01:32:00] happy whose wife hates him.
[01:32:01] >> Of course,
[01:32:02] >> I don't know one.
[01:32:02] >> And and the reason our system, our
[01:32:04] biology is set up that way is because
[01:32:07] man men are physically dominant. So you
[01:32:09] could just beat up your wife and rape
[01:32:11] her and make her do whatever you wanted.
[01:32:13] But
[01:32:13] >> sounds terrible.
[01:32:14] >> Exactly. It sounds terrible. Exactly.
[01:32:17] That's exactly the point. It sounds
[01:32:18] terrible. Men don't want that. They want
[01:32:20] a woman to be sexually attracted to him,
[01:32:22] to be happy, to have real orgasms, to be
[01:32:24] they want it to be genuine. And that's
[01:32:26] the equalizer. You're totally focused on
[01:32:29] your wife's happiness. That keeps it
[01:32:31] equal. That gives her power. That's
[01:32:33] where her power comes from. This is
[01:32:35] >> how do we fix it?
[01:32:37] >> By letting people observe the laws of
[01:32:40] nature, which they ignore at their
[01:32:41] peril. You can't ignore the laws of
[01:32:44] nature around you or you get killed.
[01:32:46] Well, nature is sending us the message
[01:32:48] when we see the declining birth rate,
[01:32:50] when we see the societal impact. Uh,
[01:32:52] nature is sending us the message that
[01:32:54] this isn't working.
[01:32:54] >> Yeah. And you're not allowed, you're
[01:32:55] like considered some sort of weird
[01:32:57] religious freak when you're like, uh, I
[01:32:59] don't know. Unnatural sex acts gives
[01:33:01] rise to disease.
[01:33:03] People like, "Shut up. Shut up." Well,
[01:33:06] they do. I mean, I don't know. Have you
[01:33:09] I've been alive for 56 years. I've I've
[01:33:11] watched this. That's just a fact. I'm
[01:33:13] not saying I want it to be that way. I'm
[01:33:14] not in charge of nature, actually. And
[01:33:16] I'm not in charge of human nature above
[01:33:17] all. None of us is. [sighs]
[01:33:21] Do you really know women who think if
[01:33:23] they get a big salary in a house, some
[01:33:25] guy will want to marry them?
[01:33:26] >> Oh yeah.
[01:33:26] >> Would you want?
[01:33:27] >> There are there are many who will watch
[01:33:28] this discussion and say, "I am that. I
[01:33:30] am perfectly suited for marriage. I have
[01:33:33] everything. I've done everything society
[01:33:34] has asked of me. I got an advanced
[01:33:36] degree. I got a six-figure job. I my
[01:33:39] LinkedIn is fire. I do five spinning
[01:33:41] classes a week. I look good." And you
[01:33:44] know, every every man that I find either
[01:33:47] is on the dating apps and they have so
[01:33:49] much optionality that there's not really
[01:33:51] an incentive to anchor your life with
[01:33:53] someone or they're losers and you know
[01:33:56] they can be losers who've inherited
[01:33:58] money and and uh just have no desire to
[01:34:01] build something beyond that.
[01:34:03] I mean I I'm sorry to sound like a
[01:34:05] liberal. I do blame society. I blame
[01:34:07] what people are taught and uh propag you
[01:34:10] know the lies that they get through
[01:34:11] propaganda. um for convincing them that
[01:34:14] something so obviously absurd could be
[01:34:17] true. I mean, of course, men find that
[01:34:18] emasculating, unappealing. No man wants
[01:34:20] to marry a woman with her own house and
[01:34:22] a higher income than him. No way. And
[01:34:23] she doesn't want to marry him.
[01:34:24] >> You know, if if uh you know, you had you
[01:34:26] had marriage as this thing that gave
[01:34:29] people financial security, right? And
[01:34:31] people, you know, 40s and 50s, people
[01:34:33] were getting married and then then
[01:34:34] you're bound to someone economically.
[01:34:36] Yeah.
[01:34:37] >> Uh and built a life together. You got
[01:34:38] married in your 20s and did your thing.
[01:34:41] Uh and then when we did no fault
[01:34:43] divorce, then marriage really became a
[01:34:46] contract like more more than anything
[01:34:47] else. And just like any other contract,
[01:34:49] when you're out of the contract, there
[01:34:51] are certain obligations that you still
[01:34:53] have to fill financially and otherwise.
[01:34:56] >> And then uh you know the the obvious
[01:34:58] next step is well if marriage is a
[01:35:01] contract like kind of so is dating in a
[01:35:03] weird way on like what you will provide
[01:35:05] and what I'll provide. And if you know
[01:35:08] at at the end of it, you know, there are
[01:35:10] women who say like, "Yeah, if I'm going
[01:35:11] to spend my time to go on a date, I want
[01:35:14] you to pay for it." Uh, think that's
[01:35:17] where we are. And I don't mind like when
[01:35:19] I hear women say that they go out and
[01:35:21] the guy wants to split the check. To me,
[01:35:23] there's nothing there's nothing
[01:35:24] chivalous or interesting about that. I
[01:35:26] think that
[01:35:26] >> Well, it's awful. Look, again, men and
[01:35:28] women need each other. They compliment
[01:35:30] each other. Any attempt
[01:35:31] >> tame each other. We men are necessary to
[01:35:34] tame women and women must tame men
[01:35:37] >> 100%. And without each other
[01:35:40] >> they become just industrial components
[01:35:42] who can be manipulated by global capital
[01:35:45] or whatever whatever your force you're
[01:35:46] afraid of. The only real protection is
[01:35:49] your family and that includes the one
[01:35:52] not just you were born into but the one
[01:35:53] that you start yourself.
[01:35:55] >> That's your bull work. That's your
[01:35:57] fortress. And if people are making it
[01:35:59] impossible for you to build that
[01:36:00] fortress, like I respect the whole man.
[01:36:03] It's not just like what you say you
[01:36:05] believe. It's how do you live? If I had
[01:36:06] a camera in your house, would do your
[01:36:07] kids respect you? Does your wife respect
[01:36:09] you? If not, why would I respect you? I
[01:36:12] feel that
[01:36:13] >> like do you think that the notion of the
[01:36:15] barren life is what motivates people
[01:36:17] like Lindsey Graham to go to
[01:36:19] >> 100%.
[01:36:21] >> 100%. Like a normal person goes home,
[01:36:23] you go home. I don't know if you and I
[01:36:25] are normal, but just like a conventional
[01:36:26] person goes home and it's like I've got
[01:36:28] all kinds of views, but like continuity
[01:36:30] matters to me because I've got
[01:36:32] descendants.
[01:36:33] >> If you have no descendants, it like ends
[01:36:35] with you and you don't believe clearly
[01:36:36] these people none of these people
[01:36:37] believe in God. So it's like I don't
[01:36:39] know. I got 15, 20 years, five, three
[01:36:41] years, whatever I have. We don't know.
[01:36:44] And I I it doesn't matter what happens
[01:36:46] after that. Oh, that's scary. That's day
[01:36:49] trading with the world, right?
[01:36:51] >> With your life. No, but with everyone
[01:36:53] else's life, you think, why would
[01:36:54] Lindsey Graham carry? He's 70 years old.
[01:36:56] He's not he has no kids. Like, why does
[01:36:58] it matter if there's a nuclear war? I
[01:37:01] mean, he's looking just at he's not the
[01:37:03] back nine. It's like the back three at
[01:37:05] this point. Like, his options are like
[01:37:06] heart disease, cancer, and Alzheimer's.
[01:37:07] That's it. There's no tomorrow.
[01:37:10] >> Sad, don't you think?
[01:37:12] >> Uh I I do think I mean, you know, having
[01:37:15] having children vests you in the future
[01:37:18] in a way that not having children just
[01:37:20] doesn't. I mean, hasn't it changed your
[01:37:22] attitudes?
[01:37:23] >> Of course. Of course. And and uh you
[01:37:26] know, the way you care about what comes
[01:37:28] after you shifts dramatically.
[01:37:30] >> Well, it was like maybe 10 years ago,
[01:37:33] some smart friend of mine sent me this
[01:37:34] list of European leaders. I'm interested
[01:37:36] in Europe. So, so I felt like I knew a
[01:37:39] lot. I didn't know that like none of
[01:37:40] them had kids. And it's I remember
[01:37:43] thinking that's not First of all, you
[01:37:44] can't say anything about that because
[01:37:45] you want to seem like you're attacking
[01:37:46] people without kids, which I'm not. I'm
[01:37:47] feeling sorry for them. I'm attacking
[01:37:50] the idea of childless leadership. You
[01:37:52] can't have leaders with no kids because
[01:37:55] they're not thinking long term because
[01:37:58] why would they? And look what happened
[01:37:59] to Europe
[01:38:01] >> and the Harris campaign.
[01:38:02] >> And the Harris campaign.
[01:38:04] >> Yeah. [laughter]
[01:38:05] >> Whatever h what's going to happen to
[01:38:06] her?
[01:38:06] >> She's running again. You haven't seen
[01:38:08] the news. She's assembling her team and
[01:38:10] >> for what?
[01:38:11] >> President. Yes.
[01:38:12] >> Come on now.
[01:38:14] >> I as we've said, it's an ambition that
[01:38:16] resurfaces often in one. What I mean,
[01:38:19] you know a lot more about this than I,
[01:38:20] but like let's say you decide you're
[01:38:22] going to run for president.
[01:38:25] How [sighs]
[01:38:26] how does your party exert influence on
[01:38:28] you to like stop? That's such a bad
[01:38:30] idea. You would think someone in the
[01:38:31] Democratic party be like be able to say
[01:38:33] no.
[01:38:34] >> Uh I don't know. I again who's like you
[01:38:38] assume the Obamas are in charge of that
[01:38:39] party. So potentially they could move
[01:38:42] her to another path. But you know
[01:38:44] they'll have a crowded field. It may be
[01:38:46] the case that having ancillary people
[01:38:49] around soaking up votes is good for the
[01:38:50] ultimate objective. I can't imagine the
[01:38:52] Obamas in the Gavin Newsome world would
[01:38:54] mix well. Uh that's not really the same
[01:38:57] vein of the Democratic party.
[01:38:58] >> Do you know anyone who's friends with
[01:38:59] her or knows her? Well,
[01:39:01] >> Harris. No, I don't think I do.
[01:39:04] >> That's kind of strange considering you
[01:39:06] know everybody. [laughter]
[01:39:08] I know a lot of people, but I I can't
[01:39:10] say that there was a single member of
[01:39:12] Congress I ever interacted with that
[01:39:14] that could talk about any um you know
[01:39:17] private moment or um like in-depth
[01:39:21] conversation they'd ever had with Kla
[01:39:22] Harris.
[01:39:24] >> So there was really no constituency for
[01:39:27] her. Like it wasn't I mean that was
[01:39:29] >> Yeah. I I think that Democrats believed
[01:39:31] that there is this vast part of the
[01:39:34] population whose dream candidate is some
[01:39:37] combination of Michelle Obama and Oprah
[01:39:40] and like the closest they could get was
[01:39:42] like bargain basement Kla Harris to go
[01:39:44] and attempt to achieve that archetype
[01:39:45] and it just didn't didn't work out.
[01:39:47] >> So it was all about race and gender. I I
[01:39:50] think that uh that that was a huge part
[01:39:53] of it and it it we saw the limits of
[01:39:56] playing into those uh those impulses
[01:40:00] >> with Harris.
[01:40:01] >> Last question. Where do you think the
[01:40:04] country goes in the next say three
[01:40:05] years?
[01:40:07] Like what are the big trend? No, what
[01:40:08] are the big trends? Um,
[01:40:11] obviously, you know, we're going to see
[01:40:13] automation in the next three years at in
[01:40:16] a level that you and I have never seen
[01:40:18] in our lives.
[01:40:19] >> You really believe we'll see that in the
[01:40:20] next three years?
[01:40:20] >> I do. I I I
[01:40:23] believe that automation in
[01:40:25] transportation, in agriculture, in
[01:40:28] manufacturing will be the new the new
[01:40:30] dominant force in our lives. And I don't
[01:40:32] think that's going to be entirely good.
[01:40:34] Uh I think that it's inevitable
[01:40:38] because the capabilities when when
[01:40:40] >> you think automation will be a dominant
[01:40:42] force in our lives for years.
[01:40:44] >> Yes. I think that that like I will tell
[01:40:46] my grandkids what it was like to order
[01:40:49] food from a person. That will not be
[01:40:52] that will go the way of the the pay
[01:40:53] phone. Uh there are like 7 million
[01:40:56] American men who make their living
[01:40:58] driving today in in one form or another.
[01:41:01] Those jobs are gone in the next half
[01:41:03] decade.
[01:41:04] Where do those people go?
[01:41:06] >> I I think that's when you start to see
[01:41:08] these calls for universal basic income.
[01:41:11] [snorts] Uh because we will say that
[01:41:13] there's there's such wealth being
[01:41:14] created on a lot of these tech platforms
[01:41:17] that that doesn't get shared broadly.
[01:41:19] And I I worry that that uh that draw
[01:41:23] politically is something that will zap
[01:41:26] the motivation of the country in a bad
[01:41:27] way. Like look, just look at this
[01:41:29] healthcare debate that's happening at
[01:41:30] right now as a microcosm of of of this
[01:41:32] trend.
[01:41:33] uh Republicans are trying to cobble
[01:41:36] together something that they think is a
[01:41:37] free market approach to healthcare as if
[01:41:39] as if anything in healthcare is a free
[01:41:41] market and Democrats are just saying
[01:41:43] we're going to give you free stuff for
[01:41:44] longer.
[01:41:45] >> And I think that Republicans in swing
[01:41:48] districts have seen that and said we
[01:41:50] can't beat that. So we have to have our
[01:41:52] own version of we'll give you free stuff
[01:41:54] longer. And [snorts] you may see these
[01:41:56] uh these Obamacare credits extended via
[01:42:00] a discharge petition that does just
[01:42:02] that. And that brings the right in
[01:42:04] America in line with where the right has
[01:42:07] moved in Europe which is toward you
[01:42:10] economic liberalism which I'm not for. I
[01:42:13] think you'll see what also has happened
[01:42:14] in Europe where the richest people the
[01:42:17] Bill Aman's the bottom feeders like Bill
[01:42:18] Aman nonproductive
[01:42:22] elements of the economy who just like
[01:42:23] made billions of dollars shorting
[01:42:25] stocks. Those people are totally fine.
[01:42:28] They offshore their money. They find
[01:42:30] ways around tax compliance, but it's the
[01:42:33] level down. It's the 65y old Florida
[01:42:36] retirees who own some insurance company
[01:42:39] in Indiana.
[01:42:40] >> They spent their whole life building it.
[01:42:41] They sold it for 5 million bucks.
[01:42:44] >> Exactly. Exactly right. Exactly.
[01:42:46] >> They have they have like just enough
[01:42:47] money.
[01:42:48] >> Exactly right. To live on a golf course
[01:42:49] outside Sarasota.
[01:42:51] >> Love Ron DeSantis. Love Trump. And those
[01:42:54] people are going to see everything
[01:42:55] stolen from them. and and and the method
[01:42:58] of theft will be the devaluation of
[01:43:00] their existing assets.
[01:43:01] >> It will be the deep that's it especially
[01:43:02] real estate. I totally agree with that
[01:43:04] and
[01:43:06] I think in taxation
[01:43:09] >> just like the the the and I love Steve
[01:43:12] Bannon so I don't want like my our last
[01:43:13] discussion to come across as a criticism
[01:43:15] of of Steve but I mean he's going to run
[01:43:17] for president on the on just a straight
[01:43:20] uh Elizabeth Warren wealth tax economic
[01:43:23] agenda
[01:43:25] actually. Yeah, he's going to run for
[01:43:26] president and say, "Take the money from
[01:43:29] those people who have way too much of
[01:43:31] it, the Bill Amans of the world, and I
[01:43:34] want to give it to you."
[01:43:36] >> I wonder if that has it ever it always
[01:43:39] seems like those people flee the
[01:43:40] country. I mean, Miami is filled
[01:43:43] >> the people who fled other countries.
[01:43:45] >> That's exactly right. And they live in
[01:43:48] splendor.
[01:43:49] >> Not attacking them, but like they didn't
[01:43:51] give up their money. They just left. and
[01:43:54] then the middle class, upper middle,
[01:43:55] upper middle class especially just get
[01:43:57] hammered and that is the core of your
[01:43:59] society, right?
[01:44:00] >> Uh it it won't last that way and you
[01:44:03] know Trump's elections have been I think
[01:44:06] a reaction to that broader trend we've
[01:44:08] experienced for decades and uh you know
[01:44:11] what I what I hope doesn't happen is
[01:44:12] that it just becomes a policy race to
[01:44:14] the bottom to try to you know throw
[01:44:18] insufficient solutions at that. You
[01:44:20] know, things like, "Well, we'll just
[01:44:21] give them free houses. We'll just give
[01:44:22] them free healthcare.
[01:44:24] >> The robots will just build the houses in
[01:44:26] national parks."
[01:44:27] >> Right. Right. Isn't that Wouldn't that
[01:44:28] be awful?
[01:44:30] >> Matt Gates, thank you for spending all
[01:44:31] this time.
[01:44:32] >> It's always good to see you.
[01:44:33] >> And I'm just glad that you survived
[01:44:34] everything and you're thriving.
[01:44:36] >> Likewise.
[01:44:37] >> Are you running for president?
[01:44:38] >> No, not of this country.
[01:44:40] >> Okay. [laughter]
[01:44:41] Thank you. Thank you.
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