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[00:00:00] in response to my emotion. All the
[00:00:02] trauma left unopened. Throw it all away.
[00:00:08] >> Hello everyone. Welcome back to the
[00:00:10] Price is My Life long form edition where
[00:00:14] we interview special guests. And today,
[00:00:17] by the way, we were in the DC Circuit
[00:00:20] Court of Appeals. The DC Circuit Court
[00:00:22] of Appeals in Washington DC. And we are
[00:00:26] producing a video about that right now.
[00:00:28] Oral arguments. They were recorded, the
[00:00:30] audio was recorded in federal court and
[00:00:33] we'll be producing a video about that
[00:00:35] and have that to you tomorrow
[00:00:38] uh regarding the legality of the First
[00:00:41] Amendment in Washington DC. That's the
[00:00:43] ability of a journalist to record what
[00:00:47] someone tells them in the nation's
[00:00:49] capital. We were sued for fraudulent
[00:00:51] misrepresentation and wiretapping,
[00:00:54] both ridiculous tors. and we are
[00:00:57] fighting for the first amendment itself.
[00:00:59] But speaking of being in court in
[00:01:02] Washington DC and the first amendment,
[00:01:05] we're going to have a guest on today
[00:01:07] whose name is Robert Moses. Robert, nice
[00:01:10] to see you again.
[00:01:10] >> Morris.
[00:01:11] >> Morris, pardon me, Morris. Moses, but
[00:01:14] Morses is more appropriate, I thought.
[00:01:16] >> Thank you. Well, I definitely felt like
[00:01:17] it every once in a while while I was
[00:01:19] locked up.
[00:01:19] >> While you were locked up. We have so
[00:01:21] much to get through that I I I think
[00:01:23] this is going to be a two-part. like
[00:01:25] we're going to go for maybe
[00:01:26] >> that's the way it sounds
[00:01:27] >> an hour and a half, two hours and
[00:01:28] because there's just so much to go
[00:01:30] through. He has a new book. When did
[00:01:31] this come out by the way?
[00:01:32] >> Uh it came out December 18th.
[00:01:35] >> Last month.
[00:01:36] >> Yeah.
[00:01:36] >> Few weeks ago.
[00:01:37] >> Pretty fresh.
[00:01:37] >> Um it's called Still There. A story of
[00:01:41] survival and penance in prison through
[00:01:43] the eyes of a J6 prisoner. So we have a
[00:01:47] lot to get through and I'm just going to
[00:01:48] give you an introduction. Um,
[00:01:52] Robert Robert Moses is an AR Robert Mor
[00:01:58] Morses. I'm gonna keep getting this
[00:01:59] wrong. Morris. What is the origin of
[00:02:01] that last name?
[00:02:02] >> You know, I think it's English.
[00:02:04] >> English.
[00:02:04] >> And I think when someone came over to
[00:02:06] Ellis Island, they either subtracted an
[00:02:08] I or
[00:02:08] >> took something off.
[00:02:09] >> Yeah, cuz not many people have it. It's
[00:02:11] kind of a
[00:02:12] >> took off one F. So, it's it's they took
[00:02:14] that in Ellis Island as well.
[00:02:16] >> There you go. Army Army veteran who
[00:02:19] served three combat tours of duty in
[00:02:21] Afghanistan.
[00:02:22] Army Ranger Second Ranger Battalion and
[00:02:25] you were honorably discharged in 2015.
[00:02:28] You worked as a history teacher after
[00:02:30] graduating Penn State. And on January
[00:02:32] 6th, 2021, you would be part of some of
[00:02:35] the these altercations in the capital.
[00:02:38] And on June 11th, you'd be arrested and
[00:02:39] charged with assault.
[00:02:41] >> Yep.
[00:02:42] >> He spoke uh spoke to me in in uh at the
[00:02:44] Turning Point Convention. We had a
[00:02:46] little brief conversation which I was
[00:02:47] very fascinated by because it got really
[00:02:49] spiritual and very philosophical. Do we
[00:02:52] have that clip?
[00:02:54] >> Just a still. This is you in uh next to
[00:02:57] me and Charlie Kirk. The image of me and
[00:02:59] Charlie Kirk there in Arizona just last
[00:03:01] month.
[00:03:01] >> Uh now you maintain that you acted in
[00:03:04] self-defense after you watched DC police
[00:03:06] using flashbangs on non-violent
[00:03:08] protesters.
[00:03:09] >> Written a book called Still There. and
[00:03:12] it documents your imprisonment through a
[00:03:14] series of 41 short stories. Now, while
[00:03:17] you're in prison, you co-wrote One
[00:03:18] Question Remains: Your Move with one of
[00:03:21] your fellow prisoners, and you join me
[00:03:23] here today.
[00:03:24] >> Um, this is an incredible book. I read
[00:03:27] it.
[00:03:27] >> Thanks.
[00:03:28] >> And it reminds me of another book called
[00:03:30] The Gulog Archipelago. Have you heard of
[00:03:33] this?
[00:03:33] >> Oh, a couple times.
[00:03:35] >> By Alexander Sultan. Well, I quoted the
[00:03:38] first page, you know, of Still There,
[00:03:39] which is it's important that people
[00:03:41] recognize that what happened across our
[00:03:43] oceans has crept its way here in
[00:03:46] America. And so that's the American
[00:03:48] version of the Gulag Archipelago that
[00:03:50] you have possession of.
[00:03:51] >> You reminded me of the Gulag
[00:03:53] Archipelago.
[00:03:54] And I may not may I may not agree with
[00:03:57] everything you wrote or everything you
[00:03:58] did. There's a lot I want to talk to you
[00:04:00] about. And yeah,
[00:04:01] >> in in Alexander Sultanates the good luck
[00:04:03] archipelago, he says, "Bless you
[00:04:05] prison."
[00:04:07] >> Which was very counterintuitive for
[00:04:08] people. Why would you bless prison? But
[00:04:12] he writes that it spiritually did
[00:04:15] something for him. It made him confront
[00:04:17] the truth. It shattered his illusions.
[00:04:19] It it it grew him morally and
[00:04:21] spiritually. It stripped him away of
[00:04:22] falsehoods. It took everything away from
[00:04:24] him and taught him lessons that freedom
[00:04:26] couldn't.
[00:04:27] >> Yes. Is that what prison did to you or
[00:04:30] how would you characterize it?
[00:04:33] You know, in short, as as we jump into
[00:04:35] this conversation,
[00:04:36] >> I would say I completely agree with that
[00:04:38] statement. I would also say that in
[00:04:40] addition to his remarks, I would like to
[00:04:43] add the concept of the hero's journey. I
[00:04:46] went through the underworld. And this is
[00:04:48] a hero's journey that, you know, some
[00:04:50] are aware of, some aren't. Long story
[00:04:52] short, the hero's journey begins when
[00:04:54] the hero is either abducted or
[00:04:56] volunteers to enter the underworld. The
[00:04:59] underworld tests the hero in every way,
[00:05:01] shape, and form imaginable and
[00:05:03] unimaginable. As a result, the hero
[00:05:06] finds an object, whether it's the golden
[00:05:08] fleece or the Nordic runes or the sacred
[00:05:10] chalice or the philosopher's stone, if
[00:05:13] you will, where he didn't want to look,
[00:05:15] where he didn't even want to go. And
[00:05:16] that's exactly what happened to me while
[00:05:18] I was incarcerated. I found something. I
[00:05:21] think I found a couple things actually,
[00:05:22] but a deeper faith being one of them.
[00:05:25] And that's exactly what according to,
[00:05:28] you know, the mythic story is what the
[00:05:30] hero brings back to the world, the
[00:05:32] surface world to revitalize his
[00:05:34] community. And it can only be found in
[00:05:36] the underworld journey. So, as a result
[00:05:37] of both his work and mine, we're doing
[00:05:39] everything we can to save the West from
[00:05:42] extinction.
[00:05:42] >> A lot of people go through prison and
[00:05:44] they don't they don't get to where
[00:05:46] you've gotten. They go to a darker
[00:05:49] place. What do you attribute
[00:05:52] getting something positive out of it?
[00:05:54] What do you attribute that to?
[00:05:55] >> My faith in Christ first and foremost. I
[00:05:57] never would have made it out alive had
[00:05:59] it not been for my faith. But then if
[00:06:00] you think about the Christian faith, a
[00:06:02] vast majority of the Bible is written by
[00:06:04] prisoners. So as you go through the
[00:06:06] books, whether it's David being
[00:06:08] incarcerated in a cave or Paul
[00:06:10] incarcerated by the Romans, that sacred
[00:06:13] texts are written by prisoners. Jesus
[00:06:15] did time. So my faith had a lot to do
[00:06:18] with it. And my awareness in literature
[00:06:20] being on the hero's journey motivated
[00:06:22] me. But there's a phrase that we
[00:06:23] repeated to one another while we were
[00:06:25] locked up, which is do the time, don't
[00:06:27] let the time do you. And so I I utilize
[00:06:31] my time as much as possible because I
[00:06:33] knew that if I became worse as a result
[00:06:36] of what they put us through, I would
[00:06:38] prove my enemies right. So
[00:06:40] >> you're motivated. You were you were
[00:06:41] focused on that goal.
[00:06:43] >> I'm also a ranger.
[00:06:44] >> You're an army ranger. Right. That's the
[00:06:45] thing that struck me about you. That's
[00:06:47] that's not an easy thing to be. And you
[00:06:49] were and you were that and a history
[00:06:51] teacher. So this is from your book. Uh
[00:06:54] you're talking about Apostle Paul. Uh
[00:06:56] this is from this book called Still
[00:06:58] There, which is like the January 6th
[00:07:01] version of Gulog Archipelago. Let's read
[00:07:04] this quote. And it's got the screen
[00:07:06] behind you referencing the time of
[00:07:07] Apostle Paul's writing. He was fully
[00:07:10] aware of how the Greek uplight or
[00:07:12] infantry men would carry enormous
[00:07:13] shields into battle against their
[00:07:14] enemies. Um, you talked about having
[00:07:17] that shield. I read that in your book a
[00:07:19] lot. The shield of Christ or how would
[00:07:21] you characterize it?
[00:07:21] >> Shield of faith.
[00:07:22] >> Shield of faith. What do you mean by
[00:07:23] that?
[00:07:24] >> So, that's one of the pieces uh in
[00:07:26] Ephesians 6 that Paul talks about which
[00:07:28] is the armor of God. And what I point
[00:07:30] out in this verse of the book is that
[00:07:32] the shield of faith, based off of what
[00:07:34] Paul is comparing it to, whether it be
[00:07:36] Greek opalites or Roman soldiers, is
[00:07:38] that the shield of faith is not just an
[00:07:40] offensive weapon, but it's also big
[00:07:42] enough for two.
[00:07:45] >> Well, let's dive into some more stuff
[00:07:48] here. There's a lot to get through.
[00:07:50] >> So much.
[00:07:51] >> I mean, I don't even know where to
[00:07:52] begin. Um, okay.
[00:07:53] >> We started the day. We could start with
[00:07:55] the hard stuff.
[00:07:55] >> So, you join the military and you combat
[00:07:57] deployments as an Army Ranger. You
[00:07:59] dropped out of high school at age 18
[00:08:00] back in 2011 and you would deploy to
[00:08:03] Afghanistan.
[00:08:05] How did that shape you for what we're
[00:08:07] about to talk about?
[00:08:08] >> Well, I saw what our nation is going to
[00:08:10] become if good men continue to do
[00:08:12] nothing. I saw the future of America and
[00:08:15] I realized that the devastation of
[00:08:17] Afghanistan would follow me home. Not
[00:08:19] just the war torn communities, but the
[00:08:22] ineptitude of freedom and the ability or
[00:08:26] the inability, excuse me, to have no
[00:08:28] idea what individual sovereignty is. No
[00:08:31] one knows what freedom is over there.
[00:08:33] They yearn for it, but they've never had
[00:08:34] it. We have it here, but we take
[00:08:36] advantage of it. We let it go to waste.
[00:08:39] That will follow us home. Afghanistan
[00:08:42] will become America if the next
[00:08:44] generation do not know how to keep this
[00:08:46] republic. And so on my first deployment
[00:08:48] of three is when I decided to be a high
[00:08:50] school history teacher to contribute
[00:08:52] like yourself to ensure that our first
[00:08:55] world freedoms don't become a third
[00:08:58] world delicacy to be devoured
[00:09:01] >> and 11th and 12th grade students. You
[00:09:02] were teaching them history back in 2017.
[00:09:05] And this is a picture of you as an Army
[00:09:07] Ranger. Wow, you look a lot different
[00:09:08] there.
[00:09:09] >> Yeah, lots happened since like
[00:09:11] >> I'm out of rags, man. the Stanley Kubric
[00:09:13] movie where they shave the hair off in
[00:09:15] the beginning of Full Metal Jacket,
[00:09:16] >> right?
[00:09:17] >> Um, you wanted to teach American history
[00:09:20] because, quote, "Our nation's founding
[00:09:21] is a beautiful time." If you could
[00:09:22] elaborate on that.
[00:09:24] >> Well, you know, it's when it's when rare
[00:09:26] races of men walked the earth, people
[00:09:28] that were extremely well read, but they
[00:09:30] weren't just confined to the
[00:09:32] philosophers's chair. They could also
[00:09:33] plow a field and build a house. This is
[00:09:36] when men built a country with their bare
[00:09:38] hands and their prudent minds. And we
[00:09:42] miss that in America today. We've taken
[00:09:44] advantage of the work that they've done.
[00:09:46] So much so that if we needed to build a
[00:09:48] house or write a sentence, very few in
[00:09:49] America could. And so the beauty of the
[00:09:53] American Revolution, our call to
[00:09:55] independence and the buildup to uh the
[00:09:58] American Revolution are things that we
[00:10:00] can actually relate to now, which is
[00:10:02] actually kind of stunning. But in that
[00:10:04] their reliance on God and how much they
[00:10:06] trusted providence to deliver them from
[00:10:09] evil of the greatest empire the world
[00:10:11] had ever seen. Because if you think back
[00:10:13] then the British crown was all over the
[00:10:16] the sun didn't set on the British crown
[00:10:18] and they were willing to go to war
[00:10:20] against the world's greatest empire back
[00:10:21] then. And if we had that same courage
[00:10:23] today, tyranny would die on this shore.
[00:10:26] What I want to do is go through some
[00:10:29] passages of your book just to wet the
[00:10:31] appetite before we jump into the January
[00:10:33] 6th capital footage stuff, which is
[00:10:35] intense,
[00:10:36] >> but I I'm I'm more fascinated by the
[00:10:38] theology and and your I guess epiphies
[00:10:43] that cut to the heart of human nature.
[00:10:44] I'm just This is on page 111. Um you and
[00:10:48] you in prison every movement of the
[00:10:50] body, every spoken word. I think we have
[00:10:52] the graphic team if we can put it up on
[00:10:53] the screen. Every movement of the body,
[00:10:55] every spoken word, every look on the
[00:10:57] face of an incarcerated individual will
[00:10:59] ultimately determine whether or not
[00:11:01] someone will become predator or prey
[00:11:02] behind bars. I was trapped within the
[00:11:05] environment of immense danger and
[00:11:06] volatile circumstances.
[00:11:08] One wrong statement of or idle
[00:11:10] expression could launch an interaction
[00:11:11] into violence. I mean,
[00:11:15] it must have been something else. Well,
[00:11:17] and uh it's also something to be said
[00:11:19] that the way through that is through
[00:11:21] self-awareness. Discernment. That is a
[00:11:24] gift from God. Um I
[00:11:25] >> that's the thing I pray for by the way.
[00:11:28] Discern the most important thing.
[00:11:29] >> Absolutely.
[00:11:30] >> Because because I feel like and I hate
[00:11:32] to interrupt you, but if I can, if the
[00:11:34] people around me are good,
[00:11:36] >> Yeah.
[00:11:37] >> then no weapon formed against me shall
[00:11:38] prosper.
[00:11:39] >> Well, if the Holy Ghost is beside you,
[00:11:41] that would apply as well.
[00:11:42] >> True. what takes a team and even Judas
[00:11:45] to betray Jesus, right?
[00:11:46] >> Well, not only that, too, it also says
[00:11:48] that when two or more are gathered,
[00:11:49] Jesus is with them. So, I think we're
[00:11:51] both correct.
[00:11:53] >> This is also from your book. Um, I'm
[00:11:57] just going to pull out some random
[00:11:58] passages and then we'll jump into J6 and
[00:12:00] then get back into the book.
[00:12:01] >> Sure.
[00:12:01] >> Um, uh, one day Ivan, this is some type.
[00:12:05] Who is Ivan in jail?
[00:12:06] >> Ivan the Great, man.
[00:12:07] >> Ivan the Great.
[00:12:08] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:12:09] >> In prison.
[00:12:09] >> He was one of my teachers, man. Yeah. He
[00:12:12] was a J6 prisoner or
[00:12:13] >> he wasn't a J6er. He was like it says in
[00:12:16] the hero's journey, people will randomly
[00:12:17] show up to educate you and guide you
[00:12:19] through the underworld. He's another one
[00:12:20] of these
[00:12:21] >> Alexander Dumas novel, The Counted Monte
[00:12:23] Cristo.
[00:12:23] >> There you go.
[00:12:24] >> He showed Have you ever seen that one?
[00:12:25] >> Oh, I read the Underbridge version while
[00:12:27] I was locked up. I had plenty of time,
[00:12:29] man. You know, so
[00:12:31] >> that's the thing about prison. You get
[00:12:32] to catch up on your reading.
[00:12:33] >> You do, but you also get to catch up on
[00:12:35] who you are as a person should you
[00:12:36] choose. And that's
[00:12:37] >> should you choose.
[00:12:38] >> Exactly.
[00:12:39] >> So, there's two. First, I'll read the
[00:12:40] one on the screen. Um, best piece of
[00:12:42] advice I ever got behind bars. This is
[00:12:45] from, for those of you just tuning in,
[00:12:46] we are live. I love live television.
[00:12:49] Things go wrong. There's technical
[00:12:51] glitches. Not the Goolag Archipelago.
[00:12:53] Still there. This is a a new book by
[00:12:56] Robert A. Morris. Quote,
[00:12:59] I got behind bars. The best advice came
[00:13:01] from Ivan the Great. He explained, "Be
[00:13:04] cool." Just those two words. While in
[00:13:07] jail, living under the microscope of the
[00:13:08] cameras, you got to be cool. What does
[00:13:09] that mean? So, at any point in time, uh,
[00:13:12] when predators want to test their prey,
[00:13:15] uh, the sharks, for example, will bump
[00:13:17] the object in the water to see if it's
[00:13:19] something that they can handle or not.
[00:13:21] That same philosophy is exactly what
[00:13:23] happens behind bars. And if you remain
[00:13:25] calm, odds are the shark will find an
[00:13:28] easier prey. Whether that shark is an
[00:13:30] inmate or a guard or the federal
[00:13:32] government, as long as you remain calm
[00:13:35] and decide to be cool, a lot of problems
[00:13:38] just pass you by. How long did it take
[00:13:39] you to learn that?
[00:13:40] >> Well, I had to learn pretty quick, so
[00:13:42] >> maybe 30 seconds.
[00:13:45] >> The only people who can allow anyone to
[00:13:48] have power over you is you. That's
[00:13:51] pretty good advice.
[00:13:52] >> Absolutely.
[00:13:52] >> Um that's that's pretty good advice. Be
[00:13:55] cool. This is one of the things you you
[00:13:56] learn.
[00:13:56] >> Be cool, baby.
[00:13:57] >> In in prison. Um also, if you look at uh
[00:14:00] uh page 138, um
[00:14:04] I wanted to understand like St.
[00:14:07] Augustine did in his confessions. I
[00:14:10] continue referenced Ephesians chapter 6.
[00:14:13] Uh I argued that those armor pieces
[00:14:15] you're talking about the armor of God
[00:14:16] that you understand. Uh attributes were
[00:14:19] deliberately chosen to describe the
[00:14:20] spiritual covering of the believer in a
[00:14:22] metaphorical way so the reader could
[00:14:23] potentially fathom the depths of God
[00:14:25] wisdom and to apply its knowledge.
[00:14:27] >> So you continue to talk about having
[00:14:29] this this shield of faith that Paul
[00:14:32] describes or as you say here the
[00:14:34] breastplate of righteousness. Yes.
[00:14:37] >> Why not any other piece of armor? So
[00:14:39] talk more about what you mean by that.
[00:14:41] >> So the breastplate of righteousness
[00:14:42] obviously comes from Ephesians 6. Um but
[00:14:45] it's but it's something that I apply to
[00:14:48] um repeatedly throughout the book still
[00:14:50] there because I explained during one of
[00:14:52] the Bible studies that according to the
[00:14:54] way that you behave which ideally would
[00:14:56] be in righteousness there is an armor
[00:14:59] that would go before you in rooms that
[00:15:00] you may not enter where people would be
[00:15:02] willing to defend you your character and
[00:15:04] who you are as a person because of what
[00:15:06] they've witnessed regardless of you
[00:15:08] being around at the time. So the
[00:15:10] breastplate of righteousness though it
[00:15:12] is something that I do believe is a
[00:15:13] tangible object as it can be described
[00:15:16] um in Ephesians 6 is also something
[00:15:18] metaphorically speaking in bigrained
[00:15:20] aspect is something that can defend you
[00:15:23] when no one's around. It's something
[00:15:26] that protects you like the Holy Ghost
[00:15:27] >> when you're alone.
[00:15:28] >> Well when you're alone or when your
[00:15:30] enemy is alone.
[00:15:31] >> This is something that can go before you
[00:15:33] >> and prepare the way so that you can be
[00:15:36] met with success instead of danger. This
[00:15:38] is a this is a passage that reminds me
[00:15:40] of the Gulog archipelago. This is the
[00:15:41] last one I'll read team. This is um uh I
[00:15:44] experienced something inside of me from
[00:15:48] the top of my head. I felt as though
[00:15:49] comfortably warm molasses or honey. And
[00:15:52] this this is sim uh uh similar to what
[00:15:54] Alexander Sultan says is a beneficial
[00:15:57] calming fluid pours through him.
[00:15:59] >> Mhm.
[00:16:00] >> Patience.
[00:16:01] >> Yes.
[00:16:01] >> That reminded me a lot. I don't know if
[00:16:03] you emulated Sultan or all paths lead to
[00:16:06] truth, but I'm going to read this
[00:16:07] passage. Quote, while I was explaining
[00:16:11] this revelation of the breast plate
[00:16:14] breastplate of righteousness and the
[00:16:16] helmet of salvation to your in fellow
[00:16:18] inmates.
[00:16:19] >> Yes, sir.
[00:16:19] >> You experienced something strange taking
[00:16:22] place within you. From the top of your
[00:16:23] head, you felt as though comfortable
[00:16:25] warm molasses or honey was slowly
[00:16:27] sliding over and within down to your
[00:16:29] feet. This feeling came with a deep
[00:16:31] sense of relaxation and healing after it
[00:16:33] announced the theory of the breastplate
[00:16:35] of righteousness. When the liquid
[00:16:37] sensation had reached your toes, the
[00:16:39] many pains within your body that you
[00:16:41] tried your best to conceal dissipated.
[00:16:43] You instantly felt relieved and awakened
[00:16:46] with an rejuvenating slumber or as if I
[00:16:49] had my first drink of water after
[00:16:51] running a 5K like endorphins. I was
[00:16:54] rewarded by a healing serenity. So
[00:16:57] you're you're what happened there? What
[00:16:59] was going on?
[00:17:00] >> I think it was a spiritual experience
[00:17:02] 100%. You know, and and I think that you
[00:17:04] do get rewards uh for advocating upon
[00:17:07] God and ministering to people, you know,
[00:17:10] and I and so these people that were
[00:17:12] willing to, you know, do what you have
[00:17:14] done all your life, go into danger and
[00:17:16] expose the truth um underneath, you
[00:17:19] know, the darkness, um there's rewards
[00:17:21] that are derived for that work. And at
[00:17:24] the time for me it was something that
[00:17:25] you know was soothing and calming. Um
[00:17:28] but I do believe that it was a moment
[00:17:29] where the Holy Ghost just reminded me in
[00:17:31] the most intimate of ways, you're not
[00:17:33] alone and I can fix you and I can fix
[00:17:36] this. So hang on regardless of how much
[00:17:39] it hurts. I am with you. And that's why
[00:17:41] we call God Emmanuel.
[00:17:44] >> This is from Gulog Archipelago. And
[00:17:47] there is one more freedom. No one can
[00:17:49] deprive you. You have already been
[00:17:50] deprived of them. What does not exist?
[00:17:52] Not even God can take away and this is a
[00:17:54] basic freedom. Did you experience what
[00:17:57] Schultzen was talking about?
[00:17:59] >> I did ma'am.
[00:18:00] >> How so?
[00:18:01] >> I did in the sense that if I were to
[00:18:04] revert into my own mind far enough,
[00:18:06] which is something I elaborate on in the
[00:18:08] book, that there's a chamber within our
[00:18:10] heads that no tyranny can touch, not
[00:18:13] even, you know, the attempts of Satan.
[00:18:15] It's a place where you and the Holy
[00:18:16] Ghost can reside. And in there, you get
[00:18:18] to determine whether or not you're going
[00:18:20] to respond. you're going to be calm.
[00:18:23] You're going to be free. And so, we're
[00:18:25] taught that because of Jesus Christ's
[00:18:27] sacrifice on the cross, we're already
[00:18:29] free. The price has already been paid,
[00:18:32] regardless of whether or not we're in
[00:18:33] chains. And the thing of it is, as we're
[00:18:37] here on Earth, we're kind of enslaved
[00:18:40] already. Until we die, we're actually
[00:18:43] free. So, our 3D plane doesn't determine
[00:18:46] our freedom. What happens up here and in
[00:18:49] here does. I don't know if people
[00:18:50] wrestle with their own mortality. Do you
[00:18:52] think most people do that walk around
[00:18:55] outside on the street? Do they do they
[00:18:56] wrestle do they know that they're going
[00:18:58] to die?
[00:18:58] >> I think they wrestle with it so much
[00:19:00] that they're exhausted and that's why
[00:19:01] they nullify the urge with drugs and
[00:19:03] alcohol and pornography and distraction.
[00:19:05] Everybody knows they're going to die and
[00:19:07] a lot of people know that when they die
[00:19:10] they have hell to pay. But I pray that
[00:19:12] those people would come to Christ and
[00:19:14] learn the freedom that I have found and
[00:19:15] the peace that I have found. Because not
[00:19:17] only is it worth it, that's what our
[00:19:19] founding fathers allowed for this
[00:19:20] country to thrive upon within our first
[00:19:22] amendment right. They did not wage a war
[00:19:25] against the greatest empire the world
[00:19:26] had ever seen on their own valition and
[00:19:29] their own pride and their own strength.
[00:19:31] They leaned upon the pillars of the
[00:19:33] almighty God and they entrusted that
[00:19:36] work for us to continue. And if we can
[00:19:38] tap into that strength, we can overcome
[00:19:40] any obstacle.
[00:19:42] >> This is more lines from Gulog.
[00:19:46] Quote, and this is Alexander Sultzene
[00:19:48] talking about a Soviet Union
[00:19:51] saying he's been in prison for nothing.
[00:19:53] You have nothing to repent before the
[00:19:55] state and its laws. Now, you were in
[00:19:56] prison.
[00:19:57] >> Yes.
[00:19:57] >> We'll get to what you did in actually
[00:19:59] just a minute. We're going to pull up
[00:20:00] the clips from January 6th and talk
[00:20:02] about the laws and the issues and I'll
[00:20:05] ask you some tough questions about that.
[00:20:06] Did you have anything to repent before
[00:20:08] the state in prison?
[00:20:10] >> Yeah. Well, like I'd said in my sending
[00:20:12] speech, I was I was sad that people did
[00:20:13] get hurt that day. You know, Ashley
[00:20:15] Babbett, Rosanne Boing, Kevin Greon,
[00:20:17] Benjamin Phillips, they were killed that
[00:20:18] day. Um, and so I'm sad that people's
[00:20:21] lives were taken. Um, but I I showed up
[00:20:24] that day to protest the stolen election,
[00:20:26] which we know was robbed from the
[00:20:27] American people, and I was utilizing my
[00:20:30] first amendment right and making my
[00:20:31] founding fathers proud. And so what
[00:20:34] happened that day uh was rough, but I
[00:20:37] think it ought to happen a lot more
[00:20:38] often to hold the government accountable
[00:20:39] and remind them who actually runs the
[00:20:41] state as opposed to the people inside
[00:20:43] that building that we all collected at 2
[00:20:46] million strong on January 6th, 2021.
[00:20:49] >> Let's go to that day.
[00:20:52] >> Yes.
[00:20:53] >> January 6th, 2021.
[00:21:00] And while we pull that clip, do you see
[00:21:01] the American Revolution in the same
[00:21:04] light as January 6th?
[00:21:06] >> I think it's similar. Absolutely. Um,
[00:21:08] but the interesting thing about that is
[00:21:10] that back in the revolution, we were
[00:21:12] fighting uh tyranny from, you know,
[00:21:14] 3,000 mi away. Um, now I think we have
[00:21:17] 3,000 tyrants a mile away. And so that's
[00:21:21] our problem today in this age. Uh the
[00:21:23] tyranny that we tried to unchain
[00:21:25] ourselves from back in the revolution
[00:21:27] across the water has wormed its way here
[00:21:29] into our nation. So there's
[00:21:30] similarities, but our time is exclusive
[00:21:32] because it's ours.
[00:21:34] >> Do we have that clip pulled up? This is
[00:21:36] from January 6th, clip one.
[00:21:51] Where are you in this?
[00:21:53] >> You can see my little afro poking out
[00:21:55] from underneath the mag. I haven't cut
[00:21:57] my hair since.
[00:22:03] >> Which one are you?
[00:22:07] >> Bottom right hand corner.
[00:22:08] >> Is that you in the bottom? The blue
[00:22:10] jacket, white hat.
[00:22:11] >> No, no, no, no. That was me there. Oh,
[00:22:14] it's right there.
[00:22:15] >> Yeah.
[00:22:16] >> Um, you're taking a shield from an
[00:22:18] officer, right?
[00:22:19] >> Yeah.
[00:22:21] >> Is that a crime?
[00:22:22] >> Robbery, uh, yeah, is definitely
[00:22:24] something that I was convicted of and,
[00:22:26] uh, wouldn't recommend it. But like I've
[00:22:28] said in numerous interviews, uh, sense
[00:22:31] that though there were facts of the day,
[00:22:33] uh, that are visualized here in videos
[00:22:36] like this, there's more facts to be
[00:22:38] considered. Up until that point, the
[00:22:40] police had been attacking innocent
[00:22:41] people, provoking violence. And up until
[00:22:44] that video was shown, the shield wall
[00:22:46] that you witnessed is something that I
[00:22:47] actually asked people to create so that
[00:22:49] they could defend themselves against
[00:22:51] what the police were doing. And so with
[00:22:54] the federal informants in the crowd that
[00:22:56] have been confirmed and with the Antifa
[00:22:58] members disguised as Trump supporters
[00:22:59] within the crowd that has also been
[00:23:01] confirmed egging people on instigating
[00:23:04] violence and the Capitol police officers
[00:23:06] and Metropolitan Police officers that
[00:23:08] were also instigating violence amongst
[00:23:10] the crowd beating uh innocent Victoria
[00:23:12] White near to death. Um for example in
[00:23:14] that very tunnel where I was. These are
[00:23:17] things that have to be considered when
[00:23:18] the law should be applied. You know, you
[00:23:20] have things like crimes of passion, and
[00:23:22] this is, you know, an issue that is, you
[00:23:24] know, delicately considered. Well, when
[00:23:26] you watch women beaten to death in front
[00:23:28] of you, and you're also now trying to
[00:23:30] defend yourself and others around you,
[00:23:32] like your fellow man, I think that has
[00:23:35] to be considered as well when applying
[00:23:37] the law.
[00:23:39] Let's take the look at clip two. This is
[00:23:42] it's a little hard to hear, but tell me
[00:23:44] if I have this wrong. Um, you are
[00:23:47] instructing a crowd to use shields
[00:23:50] against police. Quote, "Make a shield
[00:23:53] wall. Where's those effing shields?
[00:23:55] Let's go." Do I have Is that correct? Is
[00:23:57] that okay?
[00:23:58] >> That's me.
[00:23:58] >> Make a shield wall. And And the shield
[00:24:00] wall was against whom?
[00:24:01] >> Uh, the capital police officers and
[00:24:03] Metropolitan Police officers at the
[00:24:04] time.
[00:24:05] >> Okay. And the purpose of making the
[00:24:06] shield wall against the police officers
[00:24:08] was for what purpose?
[00:24:09] >> Defending our people.
[00:24:10] >> Defending your people who are retreating
[00:24:13] or advancing? I would say a little bit
[00:24:15] of both because as you can see if you
[00:24:18] look into January 6th, there's plenty of
[00:24:19] video footage where the crowd will stop
[00:24:21] and will retreat, but then the Capitol
[00:24:23] police officers will fire another
[00:24:25] flashbang in the crowd where someone
[00:24:26] within the crowd will make sure that
[00:24:28] other people like myself are pushed into
[00:24:31] the tunnel. By the way, this is
[00:24:33] something that never came up in the
[00:24:34] court of law. I was pushed into the
[00:24:36] tunnel prior to this video ever being
[00:24:38] captured by someone who then
[00:24:40] mysteriously slips behind the police
[00:24:42] lines without obstruction at all and
[00:24:44] then reemerges hours later in a
[00:24:47] different section of the capital. These
[00:24:49] aren't things that the media wanted to
[00:24:50] show you. But if you had that footage,
[00:24:52] it'd be a different story.
[00:24:54] >> Well, I think everything should be
[00:24:55] recorded.
[00:24:56] >> So do I.
[00:24:56] >> Which which is apparently being proposed
[00:24:59] in the DC Circuit Court of Appeals right
[00:25:02] now we're fighting.
[00:25:04] >> Do we have team? And we have clip two.
[00:25:06] Let's let's play it.
[00:25:11] Where are those [ __ ] shields?
[00:25:12] >> Pause.
[00:25:14] >> Pause.
[00:25:16] >> That's you just scre, you know, saying
[00:25:18] where's where's those effing shields?
[00:25:21] Let's go.
[00:25:22] >> Yeah.
[00:25:23] >> Yeah. And where where are you going?
[00:25:25] What is this image of? Where are you
[00:25:26] going in right now?
[00:25:28] >> So that's the tunnel. Uh you know, there
[00:25:30] was uh there was a lot going on that
[00:25:32] day. We're under the impression that
[00:25:33] should we be able to go inside um we
[00:25:36] would be able to stop the proceeding of
[00:25:38] a fraudulent election. Um,
[00:25:40] >> and I do believe that it is every one of
[00:25:42] our rights and responsibility to prevent
[00:25:44] an election that would end up being the
[00:25:47] result uh to kick off the Ukraine war,
[00:25:50] which has claimed millions of lives,
[00:25:52] kick off violence in the Middle East,
[00:25:54] and then continue to flood our country
[00:25:56] with millions of immigrants that are
[00:25:58] raping and uh killing our women and
[00:26:00] stabbing them on subways and lighting
[00:26:01] people on fire. And so if you think
[00:26:03] about it, the day looked rough, but the
[00:26:07] result of the Biden regime was a million
[00:26:09] times worse.
[00:26:10] >> Do you think did you think about the
[00:26:12] repercussions in in this moment when
[00:26:15] this was happening? Did you think I
[00:26:16] might be arrested for this? I might go
[00:26:19] to jail for this.
[00:26:20] >> Well, it's interesting to consider
[00:26:21] because there were moments where, you
[00:26:23] know, I thought to myself, man, like
[00:26:24] what's going on here? You know, I did
[00:26:26] feel emotionally hijacked. A lot of the
[00:26:28] videos that you've seen don't include
[00:26:30] the fact that there were people playing,
[00:26:31] you know, bag pipes in the background or
[00:26:33] people looking like they just walked out
[00:26:35] of some revolutionary battle with, you
[00:26:37] know, playing the drums and stuff. And
[00:26:38] so there's a bunch of emotional stimuli.
[00:26:40] As a matter of fact, the chemical
[00:26:42] irritants that they used are exact same
[00:26:44] as the ones that are used upon
[00:26:46] infantrymen when they go through the
[00:26:47] school like in the gas chamber. So a lot
[00:26:50] of the veterans in the crowd were
[00:26:51] actually chemically compelled into a
[00:26:53] fight orflight response. And so, yes, I
[00:26:56] was considering like, man, this is this
[00:26:57] is kind of crazy. But something also to
[00:26:59] consider, which I get into in the other
[00:27:01] book here, is that the entire summer of
[00:27:04] love, all of 2020, when we watched those
[00:27:06] Black Lives Matter riots, one goal that
[00:27:09] they might have wanted to accomplish
[00:27:10] throughout them all is to condition the
[00:27:13] mind of the American that behavior like
[00:27:15] this is okay because we didn't see any
[00:27:16] repercussions for any of those peaceful
[00:27:18] protesters back then. And so when the
[00:27:21] MAGA community does it, we're
[00:27:23] subconsciously now conditioned to think
[00:27:25] that this is what we do in America when
[00:27:26] we want our way. But that's when the
[00:27:28] hammer comes down when you wear a MAGA
[00:27:30] hat as opposed to a Black Lives Matter
[00:27:32] t-shirt.
[00:27:33] >> You mean in the court of law where the
[00:27:34] judges
[00:27:35] >> in the court of law, in media, in social
[00:27:37] media, everything that they could muster
[00:27:40] to ruin the MAGA movement, ruin Trump,
[00:27:42] and ruin my life from top to bottom was
[00:27:44] weaponized against us.
[00:27:48] Um, let's go to the next clip. Let's go
[00:27:50] to the ice clip.
[00:27:54] >> We're closely following an operation.
[00:27:56] Ross has no body cam. He's using his
[00:27:58] cell phone here. Good's wife says this.
[00:28:00] >> Go get yourself some lunch, big boy.
[00:28:02] >> Before another agent yells for Good to
[00:28:04] get out of the car. Her wife then yells
[00:28:06] at her to go.
[00:28:09] >> Ross is now in front of the car as Good
[00:28:11] reverses, then drives forward. Gunfire
[00:28:15] is heard. Good's car then crashes into
[00:28:17] two others that are parked. She later
[00:28:19] dies.
[00:28:20] >> All right. So, your take on this
[00:28:23] incident?
[00:28:25] >> That's a it's a horrific situation. You
[00:28:26] know, I hate the fact that anybody got
[00:28:28] hurt, you know, cuz um that's never the
[00:28:31] goal. But I will say that uh when it
[00:28:34] comes to ICE agents trying to keep the
[00:28:37] people safe from the horrific things
[00:28:39] that the Biden regime allowed into our
[00:28:41] country, I support ICE and what they're
[00:28:43] trying to accomplish, which is keeping
[00:28:44] us safe from the third world that I
[00:28:47] watched back on my first deployment in
[00:28:49] 2012, which I thought was going to stay
[00:28:51] there, creep its way into America. So,
[00:28:54] at the end of the day, things like these
[00:28:57] are
[00:28:58] horrific to watch. But I also know that
[00:29:01] when it comes to the federal government
[00:29:03] actually trying to do the right thing
[00:29:04] and keep people safe for once I support
[00:29:08] them in that.
[00:29:08] >> But do do facts matter or is it just the
[00:29:11] o umbrella policy objective like you
[00:29:15] support ICE therefore you know or you
[00:29:17] support the sto overturning the
[00:29:20] correcting the stone election. Do the
[00:29:22] actual incident of the facts actually
[00:29:24] matter?
[00:29:25] >> Always. Always. And that's why the first
[00:29:27] amendment is so important for this case.
[00:29:29] What do you think happened? Did does was
[00:29:30] the ICE officer acting in self-defense?
[00:29:34] >> Well, I'd like to see more angles. Okay.
[00:29:36] >> You know, I'd like to see more context.
[00:29:37] I'd like to know the backstory. I'd like
[00:29:39] to know who this agent is. I'd like to
[00:29:40] know who the other people involved are.
[00:29:42] I'd like to know the story ahead of time
[00:29:44] and actually conduct a thorough
[00:29:46] investigation before I see one clip,
[00:29:48] react, and then, you know, speak out of
[00:29:50] turn, shoot myself in the foot.
[00:29:51] >> So, we don't know. We don't have all the
[00:29:53] angles.
[00:29:53] >> Well, I'd like more, you know,
[00:29:55] obviously. You know,
[00:29:57] >> uh, let's go. We have more clips from
[00:29:58] January. Also, let's go to the since we
[00:30:02] talked about justice or injustice in
[00:30:05] Washington DC. Let's go to the federal
[00:30:06] judge in my case, that video throwing
[00:30:10] the jury verdict out or walking it back
[00:30:13] because I think that's kind of
[00:30:14] interesting.
[00:30:16] This is a federal lawsuit over breach of
[00:30:20] fiduciary duty and misrepresentation.
[00:30:22] And the judge says, "Has the jury
[00:30:24] reached a verdict?" The person in the
[00:30:25] jury that is the leader of the jury
[00:30:27] says, "Yes, we have." The judge said,
[00:30:30] "Well, we have a problem." He dismisses
[00:30:32] everyone out of the courtroom. He says,
[00:30:34] "Everyone leave except O'Keeffe, the
[00:30:36] defendant, and the lawyers." We sit
[00:30:38] there and he says, "The jury left the
[00:30:40] line blank for damages." And it says in
[00:30:43] the instruction, "If you can't agree,
[00:30:45] leave it blank. Therefore, no damages."
[00:30:48] Right? The federal judge said, "Well, I
[00:30:52] think we need to send the jury back to
[00:30:54] keep deliberating." And my lawyer
[00:30:56] objected and said, "Well, but it says if
[00:30:58] you can't agree, then leave it blank."
[00:31:00] So, they go back. 20 minutes later, the
[00:31:02] jurors come back and it's blank again.
[00:31:06] The judge looked at it and said, "It's
[00:31:08] still blank."
[00:31:10] And to our utter shock, that federal
[00:31:13] judge sent that jury back in a third
[00:31:16] time.
[00:31:18] And then after some time, the jury comes
[00:31:20] out
[00:31:23] and they put a number down there.
[00:31:25] $120,000 in damages against Project
[00:31:28] Veritas. And I couldn't believe it.
[00:31:30] We're obviously going to appeal it. It's
[00:31:32] unconstitutional.
[00:31:34] It's wrong. It's an indictment against
[00:31:36] journalism. Whether you like me or not,
[00:31:39] it's not about politics. It's about the
[00:31:42] First Amendment. We'll appeal it to the
[00:31:44] DC Circuit Court and all the way to the
[00:31:47] United States Supreme Court if we must.
[00:31:51] Inside every one of us is a temptation
[00:31:54] to give up. It is a temptation to bend
[00:31:57] over and to say I will I can't take the
[00:32:00] pain. I can't take the abuse of the
[00:32:03] system which when it cannot persuade it
[00:32:06] propagandizes. It uses tyranny. when I
[00:32:08] have the full weight and force of the
[00:32:10] federal government, the state
[00:32:12] governments, hell, even the courts are
[00:32:15] trying to abuse us for doing our jobs.
[00:32:19] But I can assure you that I will never
[00:32:21] give up.
[00:32:25] >> So, I mean, that was a First Amendment
[00:32:27] issue literally where it was just
[00:32:29] recording somebody,
[00:32:30] >> right?
[00:32:31] >> Not stealing a shield. So, how do we
[00:32:33] know in in your case this is an abuse of
[00:32:35] the system? How do we know that it's and
[00:32:38] I mean well well first of all I mean you
[00:32:41] know what punishment do you think you
[00:32:44] deserved if any?
[00:32:46] >> Sure. I've said on multiple recordings
[00:32:48] that if you know I'm charged with
[00:32:49] trespassing, totally would have owned
[00:32:51] it. You know, give me 6 months of public
[00:32:54] service, whatever it was, like I think
[00:32:56] that's okay.
[00:32:57] >> But to charge me with a 1512 charge,
[00:33:00] which is the obstruction of an official
[00:33:02] proceeding charge, which is something
[00:33:03] that I really hope you look into after
[00:33:05] this, knowing that I didn't commit the
[00:33:07] crime, but then also knowing that it
[00:33:10] would be unconstitutionally applied.
[00:33:12] This is a charge that was cooked up in
[00:33:13] the Enron case years ago. Using this,
[00:33:17] making sure that this is a charge that
[00:33:19] can make these guys appear as if they're
[00:33:22] domestic terrorists because it carries
[00:33:23] up to 20 years. This miscarriage of
[00:33:25] justice that the Supreme Court then
[00:33:27] throws out while I'm incarcerated in
[00:33:29] 2024.
[00:33:32] Every single judge that convicted
[00:33:34] someone of this, they broke the law. So
[00:33:38] they ought to be investigated for the
[00:33:40] way that they
[00:33:40] >> the judges or the
[00:33:42] >> every single federal judge that
[00:33:43] convicted someone of the 1512 charge
[00:33:45] broke the law.
[00:33:46] >> These are DC judges.
[00:33:47] >> These are DC judges. Yes. And so
[00:33:49] >> who's your judge?
[00:33:50] >> Trevor McFaten.
[00:33:51] >> Tell me what you know about him.
[00:33:53] >> Well, I I know that he's a McConnell
[00:33:55] appointee. Uh which I thought would give
[00:33:57] me some
[00:33:57] >> appointee or which president?
[00:33:59] >> Yeah. Uh Trump. We we call him a
[00:34:01] McConnell appointee.
[00:34:02] >> I've never heard that. I mean, I should
[00:34:03] know this, but you call them McConnell
[00:34:05] appointees.
[00:34:06] >> Yeah. just because we think that the RNC
[00:34:08] uh told Trump, "Hey, just appoint this
[00:34:10] guy." He did not stand his ground. He
[00:34:12] was a Trump appointed judge. Um and at
[00:34:14] first, you know, we thought we had a
[00:34:15] prayer uh that our cases would be looked
[00:34:18] at and everything would be included. For
[00:34:20] example, like in the Oathkeepers trial,
[00:34:22] uh Don and Donna of Cowboy Logic
[00:34:24] revealed that Judge Meta uh totally hid
[00:34:27] exonerating evidence in their trial so
[00:34:31] that the Oathkeepers could go down with
[00:34:33] as much time as they did. This came up
[00:34:35] over and over and over again in every
[00:34:36] single one of our trials. The Proud Boys
[00:34:38] trials, everybody's trial was botched
[00:34:40] from the get-go. Exonerating evidence,
[00:34:42] overcharged, trumped up charges. I mean,
[00:34:45] dude, they tried to throw me in prison
[00:34:46] for a leg.
[00:34:47] >> A bench trial or a jury trial?
[00:34:48] >> I took a bench trial because we also
[00:34:50] knew that 97% of the voters in DC hate
[00:34:53] Trump.
[00:34:54] >> Been through that,
[00:34:55] >> right?
[00:34:56] >> Did the vadier the jury selection?
[00:34:57] That's a whole crazy story.
[00:35:00] >> Psycho stuff, man. Well, in my case, I
[00:35:02] had two [ __ ] on the jury.
[00:35:04] >> There you go.
[00:35:05] >> And the the other thing that happened is
[00:35:07] you in a civil case, you have nine. In a
[00:35:08] criminal case, you have 12 jurors. So,
[00:35:10] in my case, you you you you only get so
[00:35:13] many what's called preemptary strikes,
[00:35:14] which you didn't have to go through this
[00:35:16] process. You had a bench trial. So, you
[00:35:17] didn't select jurors. But in my case,
[00:35:19] you have
[00:35:19] >> Well, we were trying to avoid this
[00:35:21] >> trying to avoid jury.
[00:35:22] >> What happened to you?
[00:35:23] >> It Well, and mine wasn't even criminal.
[00:35:25] was civil, which is the case I'm
[00:35:26] litiging right today in the before the
[00:35:29] panel of three in DC. And what happened
[00:35:32] was one of the guys voted for Hillary
[00:35:34] Clinton. And by the way, as a reporter,
[00:35:36] it's like it doesn't it shouldn't matter
[00:35:38] whether you're proTrump or Hillary on
[00:35:40] this on this issue.
[00:35:42] >> But he got up on the the bench and you
[00:35:46] know the judge says, "Have you you think
[00:35:48] you can be fair with O'Keefe? Have you
[00:35:50] ever heard of O'Keeffe?" And he goes,
[00:35:51] "Oh, no. I've never heard of anything. I
[00:35:52] don't know what this is about." And then
[00:35:53] it's like you can't you can't really the
[00:35:55] judge can't um cross-examine the juror
[00:35:59] >> and we ran out of strikes.
[00:36:01] >> So the guy gets off of the bench and he
[00:36:04] winks at me.
[00:36:05] >> No.
[00:36:06] >> Yeah. He winks at me.
[00:36:07] >> Wow.
[00:36:08] >> Which is to say, I just lied under oath
[00:36:10] and there's nothing you can do about it.
[00:36:11] >> Wow.
[00:36:12] >> And when that happened, I was this I'm
[00:36:14] I'm sitting in a federal courtroom in
[00:36:17] the voadier, which is the jury
[00:36:19] selections of a jury trial.
[00:36:21] >> I remember
[00:36:23] I was spiritually overtaken by darkness.
[00:36:26] >> Sure.
[00:36:26] >> Because you're sitting in a um a sensory
[00:36:29] deprivation chamber, which is
[00:36:31] effectively what a federal courtroom is
[00:36:32] in DC. You just It's like Dante's
[00:36:34] Inferno. It's horrible place.
[00:36:36] >> Oh, yeah. You can feel it.
[00:36:37] >> You were you were feeling the same
[00:36:39] similar thing
[00:36:39] >> over and over and over again
[00:36:41] >> in a bench trial.
[00:36:42] >> Yes.
[00:36:42] >> You felt like everyone around you was
[00:36:44] was uh
[00:36:45] >> you feel like you're at the bottom of a
[00:36:47] barrel with guns pointed at you. You
[00:36:49] know, that's what it feels like to put
[00:36:50] it. impending doom is above.
[00:36:52] >> I felt like I was just surrounded by
[00:36:55] darkness that everything around me was
[00:36:58] just hope abandon all hope ye who enter
[00:37:01] here.
[00:37:02] >> Yes.
[00:37:02] >> Kind of just a hopeless, bitter, dark,
[00:37:07] ugly
[00:37:08] just kafka-esque nightmare.
[00:37:11] >> Absolutely. Well, that's that's the
[00:37:12] result of the Marxist takeover that
[00:37:14] began in Frankfurt that came over here
[00:37:16] in Colombia. We know the story. You
[00:37:18] know, I I read Death of the West by
[00:37:20] Patrick Buchanan, so I understand how
[00:37:21] this, you know,
[00:37:23] >> became a problem that we're now facing
[00:37:24] with uh facing today. But I I guarantee
[00:37:27] you if these judges were exposed for how
[00:37:30] they are compromised, because the only
[00:37:32] way that they allow horrific things like
[00:37:34] what happened to you and me to be
[00:37:36] entertained in their courtroom is
[00:37:37] because someone's got them. Someone has
[00:37:40] >> Well, I mean, and I and I, you know, to
[00:37:42] be fair, let's put that judge back up on
[00:37:44] the screen. this guy, your judge,
[00:37:46] federal judge.
[00:37:48] If I'm going to make any accusations
[00:37:50] about a guy, I got to give him a chance
[00:37:51] to respond. But I just want to know who
[00:37:53] this is. This is a 2017 federal judge,
[00:37:57] Honorable Trevor N. McFaden. What What's
[00:38:00] the deal with him? Like you you went
[00:38:01] through a bench trial and what So I gave
[00:38:05] you a story about my case, which is
[00:38:06] crazy.
[00:38:07] >> Yeah.
[00:38:07] >> Give me an example, an anecdote from
[00:38:09] your trial that might that might shock
[00:38:11] the audience. Well, I'd prefer to give
[00:38:13] one about my sentencing. So, for
[00:38:15] example,
[00:38:16] >> sentencing by this judge.
[00:38:17] >> Yes. Okay.
[00:38:18] >> Uh, for example, the prosecution uh was
[00:38:21] totally allowed to say that and without
[00:38:22] any evidence for this whatsoever, uh,
[00:38:25] that Robert Morris was in the classroom
[00:38:27] using his ability as a high school
[00:38:28] history teacher and a ranger to create
[00:38:30] homegrown terrorists within the
[00:38:32] classroom. Trevor McFaten nods on. Um,
[00:38:35] he also said that in the beginning of
[00:38:37] this entire escapade of a sentencing
[00:38:39] that he was looking at 90 months or more
[00:38:42] because I was one of the most violent
[00:38:43] people there that day. Even though that
[00:38:45] I'm the only one on my 9-man indictment
[00:38:47] that wasn't charged with a 111b, which
[00:38:50] is assault with a deadly dangerous
[00:38:52] weapon. I was charged with a 111A,
[00:38:54] simple assault, which I could afflict
[00:38:55] you and have that still apply. But the
[00:38:58] interesting thing about this individual
[00:38:59] was when I gave my sensing speech, I
[00:39:02] told him how I'm doing everything within
[00:39:03] my power to use this experience to my
[00:39:06] betterment, to honor God, and how I was
[00:39:09] actually leaving that day and got sucked
[00:39:10] in by the fact that the police were
[00:39:12] shooting flashbangs at innocent kids. He
[00:39:15] broke all character, leans in and asks
[00:39:17] me, "What really happened that day,
[00:39:19] Robert? Tell me." As if I'm having a
[00:39:22] conversation with you and I.
[00:39:23] >> Who leaned in?
[00:39:24] >> The judge. And so I explained to him,
[00:39:27] "Look, man, I was leaving. I have a job
[00:39:29] interview the following day to be a
[00:39:31] personal trainer at Anytime Fitness.
[00:39:33] Taking over the government was not on my
[00:39:35] agenda." You know,
[00:39:36] >> you were going to be an Anytime Fitness
[00:39:39] going from a high school teacher.
[00:39:40] >> Well, I was going to do both because,
[00:39:42] you know, back in the the Coronairus
[00:39:44] days, rent was uh pretty expensive and I
[00:39:46] was trying to make do
[00:39:47] >> and um so but I explained to him how we
[00:39:50] got sucked in. You know, he saw that I
[00:39:52] was a good person and doing everything
[00:39:54] within my power not to let this break me
[00:39:57] and to honor God.
[00:39:59] That judge gets up completely
[00:40:02] unannounced. His crony says, "I guess
[00:40:05] court's in recess." He leaves and goes
[00:40:07] out the door like he's gone for a
[00:40:09] bathroom break or a smoke break. I'm
[00:40:11] standing there looking around everybody
[00:40:12] going, "What the heck just happened?" He
[00:40:14] comes back in.
[00:40:16] There's a completely different air to
[00:40:17] him. So instead of the 90 months, he
[00:40:21] gives me 66. Though he tells me
[00:40:23] something I'll never forget, which is,
[00:40:25] you know, Robert Morris, you had a very
[00:40:27] impressive career as a ranger and high
[00:40:29] school history teacher. It's a shame
[00:40:30] that you threw it all away, but don't
[00:40:32] worry, when you get out of prison,
[00:40:33] you'll still be considered a young man.
[00:40:35] He dropped that number from 90 to 66
[00:40:38] months because I think he went
[00:40:40] backstage, told his people that he has
[00:40:42] to answer to, I can't give this kid the
[00:40:44] amount of time that you want me to. So,
[00:40:47] a number of 66 was agreed upon.
[00:40:50] There's a wrestling match of conscience
[00:40:52] within the DC area, not just in the
[00:40:55] courts, but that entire district of
[00:40:58] whose god will reign supreme at the end
[00:41:00] of the day. And a lot of people are not
[00:41:02] worshiping the god that you and I trust.
[00:41:05] And that's the problem with our
[00:41:07] >> think 66 was a spiritual
[00:41:09] >> potentially.
[00:41:10] >> Potentially. And so, you went down from
[00:41:12] 90 to 66.
[00:41:14] >> Absolutely.
[00:41:15] >> Okay. And you served three years.
[00:41:17] >> Three and a half years
[00:41:18] >> out of a potential 5.5 year sentence.
[00:41:22] >> Yes. Well, the interesting thing was,
[00:41:24] oddly enough, Trump's first step act
[00:41:26] kicked in. I filed a lawsuit against the
[00:41:29] warden of my prison and the head of the
[00:41:31] BOP so that my first step act would be
[00:41:34] applied because it hadn't been up to
[00:41:35] that point. And so I was doing
[00:41:37] everything within my power not just to
[00:41:39] behave in a righteous way, but also so I
[00:41:43] could have what was due to me. The law
[00:41:45] that Trump signed into action is being
[00:41:48] ignored by the BOP. And as a matter of
[00:41:50] fact, little bit of a divergence here.
[00:41:53] My buddy Barry Ramy, proud boy out of
[00:41:55] Miami and I were able to track down some
[00:41:59] of these individuals within the BOP that
[00:42:02] made it their absolute duty to ruin our
[00:42:04] lives while we were in their custody.
[00:42:05] and Joshua Clobe is among them. Joshua
[00:42:08] Cl has staked his career on making the
[00:42:12] January 6ers a foottool to climb so that
[00:42:14] he could get higher up within the ranks
[00:42:16] on our heads.
[00:42:17] >> Who is who does he work for?
[00:42:19] >> The BOP.
[00:42:20] >> The Okay.
[00:42:20] >> The Bureau of Prisons. Yeah. So Joshua
[00:42:22] Clobe, there's many others uh that have
[00:42:26] like Miranda Faustst who used the
[00:42:28] January 6ers to make sure that not only
[00:42:31] we could be a stepping stone, but to use
[00:42:33] us to their advantage, suspend our
[00:42:36] rights, suspend our phone calls, and
[00:42:38] ruin us and make sure that the First
[00:42:39] Step Act was not applied to us. And as a
[00:42:42] matter of fact, we have two retired SIS
[00:42:44] agents that are willing to come forward
[00:42:46] and divulge even more. SIS
[00:42:49] >> that's their like intelligence unit
[00:42:50] within the prison. So they're the ones
[00:42:52] listening to phone calls. They're
[00:42:53] bilingual. They're trained to detect
[00:42:55] gang activity within the prisons and
[00:42:57] stuff. And they were given orders to
[00:42:59] monitor the January 6ers because we are
[00:43:01] supposed domestic terrorists. Come to
[00:43:03] find out everything that they had been
[00:43:05] trained to detect, none of us were doing
[00:43:07] because we're not terrorists. But these
[00:43:09] SIS agents that are two of them that are
[00:43:12] willing to come forward as we speak,
[00:43:13] Barry Ramy was able to cook up. And
[00:43:15] there's a litany of issues that are
[00:43:16] going wrong within the BOP that we can
[00:43:18] discuss, but that's something that's
[00:43:20] very important as Oh, you want another
[00:43:22] story that's actually pretty cool.
[00:43:24] >> So, so while I was in the BOP, if we're
[00:43:27] talking about like archipelos and stuff
[00:43:29] like that, um I was escorted into the
[00:43:32] chapel one day and um you know, there's
[00:43:35] a big drug problem at every single bop,
[00:43:37] which is nuts. Um, but I was brought
[00:43:41] into the chapel and an inmate kind of,
[00:43:43] you know, escorts me into the inner
[00:43:45] chamber of the office there and he opens
[00:43:47] up a drawer and it's Chris Burgard's
[00:43:50] capital punishment. And he says, "Hey
[00:43:52] man, we were told that any January 6ers
[00:43:55] that are here, you should watch this,
[00:43:56] but you can't tell anyone that it's
[00:43:58] here." And in my head, I'm thinking,
[00:44:00] where am I? Cuz this can't be America.
[00:44:03] that a movie has to be smuggled into
[00:44:05] prison to expose that January 6 is none
[00:44:08] other than a lobster trap. So that's
[00:44:10] that's Chris Bogard's uh uh well War on
[00:44:13] Truth was his sequel, but Capital
[00:44:15] Punishment was a movie that I got to
[00:44:16] watch and relive some of the footage
[00:44:18] that you showed here today and realize
[00:44:21] that at least there's people on the
[00:44:22] outside that are ringing the bell to
[00:44:24] show that yes, atrocious things happened
[00:44:26] on January 6, but the way that the law
[00:44:28] was applied to us was an even graver
[00:44:31] sin. M it's it doesn't you know the
[00:44:34] question is does the punishment fit the
[00:44:37] crime?
[00:44:37] >> The process was the punishment.
[00:44:39] >> The process is the punishment. Yeah.
[00:44:41] >> Yes. Which is illegal if you think about
[00:44:43] it.
[00:44:44] >> Well, speaking of crimes and process,
[00:44:46] let's go back to the January 6 clips
[00:44:48] where we left off and then we'll get to
[00:44:50] your incarceration.
[00:44:56] >> So, what is this clip?
[00:45:02] That is uh prior to me uh making up my
[00:45:05] mind that I'm going to get involved.
[00:45:07] >> Making up your mind that you do want to
[00:45:09] get involved.
[00:45:09] >> I do. Yeah. Well, so that was after I
[00:45:11] had
[00:45:11] >> Which one is you?
[00:45:12] >> Uh the one with the red hat on, you
[00:45:15] know, the red MAGA hat on. So at that
[00:45:17] point in time, I had watched several
[00:45:19] flashbangs explode
[00:45:21] >> in front of people's faces. Uh at that
[00:45:23] point in time, I'd watched several women
[00:45:25] get shield bashed. At that point in
[00:45:27] time, I had watched people get batoned
[00:45:29] in the face. And at that point in time,
[00:45:31] I had watched not just Antifa and
[00:45:34] federal agents in the crowd, but also
[00:45:36] Capitol police officers do everything
[00:45:38] within their power to try to provoke us
[00:45:40] into this action. I know you might not
[00:45:42] be able to hear it in this clip, but
[00:45:44] that tower that you see to the right,
[00:45:46] there's people on megaphones that are
[00:45:48] also saying, "This is it, Patriots. Do
[00:45:51] or die. If you don't do something now,
[00:45:53] you're going to lose your country
[00:45:54] forever."
[00:45:55] So, with the stimuli of all three
[00:45:56] parties that I just recited, you've got
[00:45:59] actual people playing the bag pipes,
[00:46:01] >> maggaphone people, and if you look
[00:46:03] closely, that's that uniform that I'm
[00:46:05] wearing there too is the exact same
[00:46:07] uniform that I wore to Afghanistan, all
[00:46:09] three combat deployments to show that I
[00:46:12] had already invested sweat and blood
[00:46:14] equity into the future of my country.
[00:46:16] This is serious. If you steal my
[00:46:18] election, I've got a problem with that.
[00:46:21] and we have a responsibility to keep
[00:46:23] this republic by any means necessary.
[00:46:25] And so that was what I was trying to
[00:46:27] communicate with wearing the uniform
[00:46:28] though everything that they pointed out
[00:46:30] were tools in order to protect and
[00:46:32] rescue life like the medical scissors
[00:46:35] and you know the the gauze and you know
[00:46:38] tourniquets and things like that but
[00:46:40] they got it twisted so hard to think
[00:46:42] that I actually dressed up for war.
[00:46:44] >> All right, let's play the clip.
[00:46:45] >> Yeah.
[00:46:56] So, what just happened?
[00:46:58] >> Yeah. So, I had watched the struggle
[00:47:00] over the uh bike racks and I'd watched
[00:47:03] that people were pushing back and forth
[00:47:04] and the police were leaning over them,
[00:47:06] attacking the protesters and then
[00:47:08] retreating behind them and the
[00:47:09] protesters were left without a chance.
[00:47:11] So, instead of pushing back and forth,
[00:47:13] I'd realized, well, if we absorb it into
[00:47:15] the crowd, then maybe we can even the
[00:47:17] odds. the gate, the fence, absorb it
[00:47:20] into the the crowd
[00:47:21] >> and and you kind of pull it back there.
[00:47:23] >> Yes.
[00:47:23] >> Okay. Next clip.
[00:47:26] >> These are all the things that
[00:47:28] >> happened. Back up. Back up. Back up.
[00:47:34] >> So, you were just telling them to back
[00:47:37] off the
[00:47:39] >> D. That's the baton.
[00:47:41] >> Yeah. So, that was the baton moment. And
[00:47:43] the funny thing about that footage is
[00:47:45] you don't see me be getting hit in the
[00:47:47] face. several times before now before I
[00:47:50] decide I'm going to disarm this police
[00:47:51] officer and protect myself.
[00:47:53] >> And so that's the thing about this
[00:47:55] footage and I know you're big on having
[00:47:56] everything recorded. If only we had more
[00:47:58] footage of me actually being hit, people
[00:48:00] being blown up, people being struck, a
[00:48:02] different story would be told.
[00:48:04] >> What do you think the strongest moment
[00:48:05] was that was not recorded?
[00:48:10] >> Well, everything was recorded. That's
[00:48:12] why
[00:48:13] >> every second of your interaction was
[00:48:15] recorded.
[00:48:15] >> Yes. And that's why there was so much of
[00:48:18] that footage wasn't released.
[00:48:20] >> Oh, it just wasn't released
[00:48:22] >> 100%. And so that's why
[00:48:25] I misspoke.
[00:48:26] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:48:27] >> What was recorded that wasn't released?
[00:48:29] What's the strongest moment
[00:48:31] >> in your view that was recorded but
[00:48:33] wasn't released that would
[00:48:35] >> maybe not
[00:48:36] >> change the narrative?
[00:48:37] >> Change the narrative. Yeah, I I would
[00:48:38] reference that image that my mother
[00:48:40] actually found when she was pouring over
[00:48:42] the video footage that was, you know,
[00:48:44] eventually allowed uh to be seen, which
[00:48:47] again is illegal, where someone watches
[00:48:50] me in the mouth of the tunnel. I'm
[00:48:53] trying to figure out what's going on
[00:48:55] here, and this individual shoves me into
[00:48:58] the tunnel and then later on disappears
[00:49:00] behind the police lines and then
[00:49:02] reemerges.
[00:49:04] If that was shown in my trial or to a
[00:49:07] jury, there would have been a completely
[00:49:08] different conversation.
[00:49:09] >> A jury trial, not a bench trial, though,
[00:49:11] >> right? But and but the thing is the
[00:49:13] lawyer wouldn't even touch it.
[00:49:14] >> Well, I'm not sure that that would work
[00:49:16] in a jury trial given the state of DC
[00:49:19] juries. Right.
[00:49:19] >> Right. But I think that among many
[00:49:22] pieces of footage would expose that
[00:49:24] there was a grand plot at work here. And
[00:49:26] I think that's the other thing that most
[00:49:27] people either just allowed to overlook
[00:49:30] or they decided not to. to think that
[00:49:33] these grandmas, these young kids, these
[00:49:35] people that have no criminal history
[00:49:37] whatsoever just woke up one day and
[00:49:38] wanted to raise hell. Not the case. A
[00:49:41] lot of these people were acting because
[00:49:42] they're provoked or they were
[00:49:43] emotionally taken advantage of or they
[00:49:45] were defending themselves or defending
[00:49:46] others.
[00:49:47] >> Yeah, I hear you. I think
[00:49:49] >> one thing that people might say without
[00:49:52] me taking a position on it is why get
[00:49:55] involved in that? Like why why why get
[00:49:58] grabbing police officers batons and
[00:50:01] grabbing fences and taking shields from
[00:50:05] Capitol police officers? Like why put
[00:50:08] yourself in that situation?
[00:50:09] >> Yeah. Well, I think you know when you
[00:50:11] when I hear you speak I think of the
[00:50:13] analogy where you know if you hear
[00:50:15] someone being raped but you think
[00:50:16] someone else will come and save the day
[00:50:18] but everyone else in the neighborhood
[00:50:19] >> defense of others. I'm hearing a defense
[00:50:21] of others there. You were defending
[00:50:23] other people. Well, and not just not
[00:50:25] just other people, but if you think
[00:50:26] about it, our constitution will become
[00:50:28] extinct if other people don't rise up to
[00:50:30] defend it.
[00:50:30] >> So, defense of others, including
[00:50:32] defending the Constitution itself.
[00:50:34] >> Absolutely.
[00:50:35] >> Okay. And we have Let's go to the next
[00:50:37] clip.
[00:50:42] >> That's you. You look a lot different.
[00:50:44] Pause. You look so different. That's you
[00:50:47] with the hand raised up there. Red
[00:50:49] arrows pointing at you.
[00:50:51] >> Yeah.
[00:50:51] >> Yeah. your your whole face and hair. I
[00:50:54] guess it's obviously longer now. You'd
[00:50:55] never you haven't cut your hair since
[00:50:56] that day?
[00:50:57] >> No. Well, I actually haven't cut my hair
[00:50:58] since they locked us up in March of
[00:51:00] 2020. House arrest. I'm 32.
[00:51:03] >> Okay. I was going to say not a single
[00:51:04] gray hair on your head after all the
[00:51:06] >> I've plucked a couple of them.
[00:51:08] >> While I was locked up, I I plucked a
[00:51:10] couple.
[00:51:11] >> I guess you have enough sufficient time
[00:51:13] to do that, right?
[00:51:14] >> That and a lot of prayer, man.
[00:51:16] >> A lot of prayer.
[00:51:17] >> Well, there was a metamorphosis that
[00:51:18] took place. And one of the arguments
[00:51:20] that I make in the book is you can
[00:51:21] actually tell the sins and mistakes of a
[00:51:23] man by the lines on his face,
[00:51:25] >> which is something that I think a lot of
[00:51:27] people 100 or 200 years ago can
[00:51:29] understand
[00:51:29] >> and put in their literature.
[00:51:31] >> You can you can tell if someone's guilty
[00:51:33] based upon how wrinkled they are.
[00:51:36] >> Oscar Oscar Wild puts it in his uh
[00:51:38] picture of Dorian Gray. Sir Arthur Conan
[00:51:41] Doyle talks about it in his Sherlock
[00:51:42] Holmes books. There's information that
[00:51:44] has been deliberately hid from us so
[00:51:46] that we can remain naive and the
[00:51:48] catalyzation of the American can
[00:51:49] continue.
[00:51:50] >> Well, some some in the Maha community
[00:51:52] say all he needs is beef tallow at
[00:51:53] night.
[00:51:55] >> Beef tallow, creatine.
[00:51:57] >> Creatine, tallow, water.
[00:51:59] >> Water. Yeah.
[00:52:01] >> Sleep.
[00:52:01] >> Sleep is huge.
[00:52:02] >> Did you get eight hours a night in
[00:52:04] prison?
[00:52:04] >> Not at all. And that I think that was
[00:52:06] something that I've actually uh as I've
[00:52:09] tried to recover from haven't really
[00:52:10] been able to have yet a good night.
[00:52:13] >> Was it one of those puffy mattresses
[00:52:15] with a sheet on it or what was it like?
[00:52:17] >> More like a plastic bag with a flat tire
[00:52:23] inside. That was what you would call a
[00:52:25] mattress back in the day on a steel
[00:52:26] bunk.
[00:52:26] >> The sheet the covering.
[00:52:27] >> Oh, full of holes. Disgusting. Yeah, the
[00:52:30] conditions are horrific.
[00:52:31] >> Do you have a Do you have a sheet? Do
[00:52:33] you have a blanket? Do you have a a
[00:52:35] what?
[00:52:35] >> Sometimes sometimes you
[00:52:37] >> So when I was in the parish jail in
[00:52:38] Louisiana, it was literally a sheet on a
[00:52:42] green mattress and they kept the lights
[00:52:43] on.
[00:52:44] >> Oh yeah. Non-stop. So there's no rest.
[00:52:45] >> And the hard part for me was like I I
[00:52:47] need like a heavy like, you know,
[00:52:49] comforter,
[00:52:50] >> right?
[00:52:50] >> Like a duvet or something like I'm I'm a
[00:52:52] little bit high maintenance when it
[00:52:53] comes to
[00:52:53] >> And maybe the ability to turn the lights
[00:52:55] off. I mean, I if I had to choose, I
[00:53:00] would prefer the lights on with a heavy
[00:53:03] comforter to to literally a sheet. I
[00:53:08] can't do a sheet, right?
[00:53:09] >> Um, this, if you go up here, um, scroll
[00:53:13] up to the top of this tweet if you
[00:53:14] could. Ryan Sam, have you heard of this
[00:53:17] guy?
[00:53:17] >> I have.
[00:53:18] >> In a closet room, he was held for 5
[00:53:20] months in isolation, moved around 17
[00:53:22] different facilities. He has been
[00:53:25] beaten, abused, tortured, neglected, and
[00:53:26] he's been denied due process. Is this
[00:53:27] accurate? We got to wait. Is that Is
[00:53:29] that his on the left? Is that Is he nude
[00:53:31] or am I Is that an optical illusion?
[00:53:33] >> I I optical illusion. I thought it was
[00:53:34] his dick sticking out. Sorry.
[00:53:37] >> So, um, America has become banan public.
[00:53:39] Is this correct?
[00:53:41] >> Well, I can say that I don't know how he
[00:53:43] got a photograph in there. Um, and but I
[00:53:47] do know that we were beaten, we were
[00:53:49] abused, we were tortured, and we were
[00:53:50] neglected. Um, as far as the case on
[00:53:53] Ryan Samil, I can't say whether or not
[00:53:54] that that was the condition in which he
[00:53:57] was living, but I also don't know how he
[00:53:59] got a camera in there because
[00:54:00] electronics are forbidden.
[00:54:02] >> This is the kind of mattress I slept on
[00:54:04] in the parish jail. It was green. It was
[00:54:06] covered in seaman stains.
[00:54:07] >> It's disgusting.
[00:54:08] >> But that was a different circumstance.
[00:54:10] And they're praying the Quran
[00:54:13] >> at 3:00 or 4 in the morning.
[00:54:14] >> Not okay.
[00:54:15] >> Did Did they pray the Quran in your
[00:54:17] jail? Every single Bureau of Prison is a
[00:54:19] recruiting camp for the Nation of Islam.
[00:54:22] >> Is that a yes?
[00:54:23] >> That is a big yes.
[00:54:23] >> So, you heard them pray. I didn't know
[00:54:25] what the hell was going on.
[00:54:26] >> Yeah.
[00:54:26] >> The first night I was like, "What what
[00:54:27] is going on?" It's strange noises. I
[00:54:29] mean, I was pretty young and naive and
[00:54:31] innocent.
[00:54:33] >> It was like The Silence of the Lambs.
[00:54:35] >> Yeah. Oh, yeah.
[00:54:35] >> That it was exactly like that scene.
[00:54:37] You've seen that movie?
[00:54:38] >> I have.
[00:54:39] >> With with the when she's walking through
[00:54:40] and that guy like ejaculates on her.
[00:54:43] >> Yeah. That happened a lot while I was
[00:54:45] locked up in Northern Neck Regional
[00:54:47] Jail, which I would argue is the worst
[00:54:48] place of them all. Not just because the
[00:54:51] conditions are very comparable to those
[00:54:53] images there, but they're actually
[00:54:55] getting away with fraud. So, they they
[00:54:57] house both state, local, and federal
[00:54:59] inmates, but they use a federal budget
[00:55:02] so that they can keep the state and
[00:55:04] local taxes for their own benefit. I got
[00:55:07] a buddy of mine named John Haynes of the
[00:55:08] Northern X Sentinel. his newspaper
[00:55:10] company. Uh that has been on them from
[00:55:12] day one about how Northern Eck is not
[00:55:14] only fudging the budget, but how they're
[00:55:17] also egregiously torturing people in
[00:55:19] that building. They're they're feeding
[00:55:22] them uh mouse poopinfested uh food that
[00:55:26] not even a human would devour from boxes
[00:55:28] that say not for human consumption with
[00:55:30] cockroaches that bounce out of it. And I
[00:55:32] >> What jail is this? Where is this?
[00:55:34] >> Northern Neck Regional Jail in Warsaw,
[00:55:36] Virginia. I was there for 13 months and
[00:55:38] I was a painter there for 12. I was
[00:55:40] actually the guy that they would haul up
[00:55:42] out of bed in the middle of the night
[00:55:43] say, "Hey, we need you to paint over
[00:55:44] this cry for help or this blood or this
[00:55:46] mold because we have an inspection
[00:55:48] coming here soon within a week."
[00:55:50] >> So, that place is wretched. It's
[00:55:51] terrible. And John Haynes has a lot of
[00:55:53] secrets that they do not want exposed
[00:55:55] out of Virginia.
[00:55:57] >> Deception. Uh, do we have a caller? Did
[00:55:59] I hear that producer?
[00:56:02] Oh, we have people who want to call in.
[00:56:03] There's the number 8647139868.
[00:56:06] If you want to speak to Robert Morris if
[00:56:09] you're just tuning in, look at that on
[00:56:10] on X. You can see we're live. We're
[00:56:12] hosting.
[00:56:13] >> Nice.
[00:56:13] >> The book is called Still There, a story
[00:56:16] of survival.
[00:56:17] >> And it reminds me of the Gulog
[00:56:19] Archipelago. Although Sultan just made a
[00:56:22] private joke about Stalin, you you
[00:56:26] stormed the gates of the capital. I'm
[00:56:28] not making a judgment.
[00:56:30] Sometimes people don't like this. They
[00:56:32] think, "Oh, James, you need to take a
[00:56:33] position." Well, I don't really think I
[00:56:35] need to take a position. I want to
[00:56:37] understand what happened,
[00:56:39] >> which is the most important
[00:56:40] responsibility.
[00:56:41] >> That's my respon that's my
[00:56:42] responsibility. That's my passion is to
[00:56:43] just
[00:56:44] >> get to the reality of the thing, not
[00:56:46] make a judgment about what you ought to
[00:56:50] do. I'm trying to figure out what you
[00:56:51] what you did. And speaking of what you
[00:56:53] did, do we have any more clips from
[00:56:55] January 6th?
[00:56:57] >> Let's play this next one.
[00:57:02] Bring the tail back.
[00:57:14] >> That's you with the shield. No, that's
[00:57:16] not That's There you are. What are you
[00:57:19] saying?
[00:57:20] >> Shield wall.
[00:57:21] >> What are you saying?
[00:57:21] >> Shield wall.
[00:57:22] >> Shield wall. Shield wall. Meaning what?
[00:57:25] >> Gather shields and assemble to protect
[00:57:27] yourselves.
[00:57:28] >> To protect yourself. Absolutely. Like
[00:57:29] Vikings.
[00:57:31] against the people that were in front of
[00:57:34] you
[00:57:35] >> that and around us. So, you'll notice
[00:57:37] very soon, too, that the police are
[00:57:39] going to overtake us up top, which is
[00:57:41] where my fiance actually was located
[00:57:44] around that time. Uh her name's Olivia
[00:57:45] Pollock. And they actually just had a
[00:57:47] documentary uh come out called uh uh
[00:57:50] what is it? Oh, uh God Bless America,
[00:57:52] Baby. It's a good one. But it exposes
[00:57:54] just how horrific their experience was.
[00:57:56] They went on the run. So instead of
[00:57:58] having to go through what I went through
[00:58:00] for years on end, uh the PA kids
[00:58:02] actually decided to take off into the
[00:58:04] woods of Florida, Georgia, North
[00:58:05] Carolina and uh let the government work
[00:58:07] for it. But they actually participated
[00:58:10] in an American underground railroad in
[00:58:12] modern day time. And uh their
[00:58:14] documentary uh God Bless America Baby is
[00:58:17] actually um kind of following the trials
[00:58:20] and tribulations of their father who had
[00:58:23] to sit back and watch as all that weight
[00:58:25] of the government that you just
[00:58:26] discussed was bearing down on his
[00:58:28] children.
[00:58:29] >> They were fugitives and and how long was
[00:58:31] it until they got caught?
[00:58:32] >> So I know the brother was a fugitive for
[00:58:35] about 3 years and then Olivia was a
[00:58:37] fugitive for about a year and a half.
[00:58:39] >> Three Three years
[00:58:40] >> on the run in the woods.
[00:58:41] >> It's crazy.
[00:58:42] >> Oh yeah. They they found him.
[00:58:44] >> They did. Yeah. When they finally caught
[00:58:45] up to him with the helicopter, they were
[00:58:47] down for about a little over a year. Um
[00:58:49] I know that my fiance is like the female
[00:58:52] Jason born man. And that's one of the
[00:58:53] big reasons why I'm married.
[00:58:54] >> Quite a story.
[00:58:55] >> Oh, it's amazing. Yeah. God bless
[00:58:56] America, baby. Is
[00:58:58] >> in the woods eating what? Sleeping in
[00:59:01] where? Well, a lot of that stuff is not
[00:59:03] for me to say, but what I can tell you
[00:59:05] is that it was horrific to have stood
[00:59:07] your ground
[00:59:09] >> uh to protest the stolen election and
[00:59:10] then to be hunted by your own
[00:59:12] government, understanding that the
[00:59:13] things that you just saw on the Twitter
[00:59:15] or everything that I just described in
[00:59:16] that book would be your fate if you
[00:59:18] allow them to catch you. So, what option
[00:59:20] do you have? Do you think it would be
[00:59:22] better for you to hypothetical question
[00:59:25] but it might help inform us illustrate
[00:59:27] your epiphies to have done what they did
[00:59:30] to be a fugitive or to have served three
[00:59:32] years in this prison?
[00:59:33] >> Well, I think you know to kind of bring
[00:59:35] it back full circle I know that um a
[00:59:36] part of my journey here on this earth
[00:59:38] was to suffer well. You know, I thought
[00:59:41] about it every day, leaving the country
[00:59:43] or going on the run. But I also knew
[00:59:44] that while I was a high school history
[00:59:46] teacher, that the education of my
[00:59:48] students superseded my time of
[00:59:52] discomfort. So, I got dressed up every
[00:59:54] single day. I put a student tie on and I
[00:59:56] went to work knowing that the Damocles
[00:59:57] sword above my head would fall at any
[00:59:59] moment and I decided to educate my
[01:00:01] students as opposed to be on the run.
[01:00:03] >> Dam sword of Damocles. We're just
[01:00:06] talking about this this morning. Explain
[01:00:07] to people what that means.
[01:00:08] >> So, it's impending doom. It's something
[01:00:10] that you know can befall you at any
[01:00:11] point in time more or less like a curse
[01:00:14] but you proceed regardless.
[01:00:17] I mean, I think you talk about suffering
[01:00:19] and I and I wrote about this in American
[01:00:21] Muckraaker that the
[01:00:24] I I think even rebellion I wrote
[01:00:26] rebellion against the system inevitably
[01:00:28] causes the the muckraaker that's the
[01:00:30] investigative guy a fair share of pain,
[01:00:33] persecution, prosecution so excruciating
[01:00:36] that his continuation down the path
[01:00:39] almost crosses the line into a kind of
[01:00:40] masochism
[01:00:42] >> just like absolute pain and suffering.
[01:00:44] And is that just part of part of life's
[01:00:47] journey, part of being a patriot?
[01:00:51] You you mentioned suffering.
[01:00:52] >> Yes. I would say I would say there's a
[01:00:54] fine line between masochism and honor.
[01:00:59] Masochism is more based on pride. I
[01:01:01] think where you take pride in your own
[01:01:03] suffering because of vanity's sake. Look
[01:01:05] at me. I'm suffering for this as opposed
[01:01:09] to honor's sake which includes
[01:01:11] suffering. This is, you know, the
[01:01:12] Knights Templar or the Crusaders or
[01:01:14] anybody that ever held a burden on
[01:01:16] behalf of someone else. Like Christ
[01:01:18] suffered on behalf of others. You know,
[01:01:21] he didn't suffer for his own gain.
[01:01:23] >> For his own pride. For his own pride.
[01:01:24] >> I think January 6 people do it not they
[01:01:27] don't suffer for their own pride. They
[01:01:29] they do it for
[01:01:30] >> I think some did. Some
[01:01:32] >> I think some definitely suffer of them.
[01:01:34] Uh, you know, I I think that the amount
[01:01:36] of people that suffered for their own
[01:01:38] pride is very small in comparison to the
[01:01:41] humble origin guy or girl that saw what
[01:01:45] happened to us on November 3rd in 2020
[01:01:48] and showed up that day to do the right
[01:01:49] thing. I think a lot of people suffered
[01:01:51] on behalf of their family that either
[01:01:53] hadn't existed yet or did. I think a lot
[01:01:55] of people suffered on behalf of their
[01:01:57] founding documents and founding fathers
[01:01:59] and ultimately a vast majority of the
[01:02:01] January 6ers suffered on behalf of
[01:02:03] almighty God because to suffer is to
[01:02:05] know Christ.
[01:02:06] >> That's true.
[01:02:07] >> And I think that in order to be a
[01:02:09] patriot suffering is a part of the
[01:02:10] equation.
[01:02:11] >> Here's the other thing that you know I'm
[01:02:14] trying to find overlaps between what you
[01:02:15] and I have been through. It's a ven
[01:02:17] diagram. We're very different done very
[01:02:19] different things. But another thing
[01:02:20] Sultaniten writes about in good luck
[01:02:22] archipelago quote what he learned was it
[01:02:26] culminated with his wisdom that he
[01:02:27] described as quote do not I do not
[01:02:30] rejoice when I find and I do not weep
[01:02:32] when I lose.
[01:02:34] >> I would say a similar event has taken
[01:02:36] place in my life where it's interesting
[01:02:39] that you say that I look different from
[01:02:40] the image.
[01:02:41] >> You look a lot different from them. That
[01:02:42] was only four or five years ago.
[01:02:44] >> Yeah. Well, I mean, the years have been
[01:02:45] rough, but I've also
[01:02:48] taken every drop from them. I have used
[01:02:51] them to my advantage so that I can be a
[01:02:53] different and better version of myself,
[01:02:55] to carry the responsibility that I have
[01:02:57] now, which is to fix history and to save
[01:02:59] my country, to keep my republic. Like I
[01:03:02] told you when I first met you, our job
[01:03:04] is to keep the pendulum, not let
[01:03:06] >> republic if you can keep it Franklin.
[01:03:08] Absolutely. People don't realize that
[01:03:10] sometimes we're not a democracy, we're a
[01:03:12] republic. We're both. preamble of the
[01:03:14] Constitution. It it declares whose
[01:03:16] responsibility it is to do everything.
[01:03:19] It's it's of we the people. We're
[01:03:21] supposed to do this. But we've been
[01:03:22] lulled into a silence by design. Um, at
[01:03:26] my at my gayla that I hosted on the 9th
[01:03:28] for my production company, I proposed
[01:03:30] the concept of not a sleeping giant, but
[01:03:32] a poisoned giant that is very much
[01:03:35] conscious, but is completely asleep at
[01:03:37] the wheel in the sense that they're too
[01:03:39] drugged up, too lazy, too loaded with
[01:03:42] chemicals, too distracted, and have a
[01:03:44] false god to worship. So that the poison
[01:03:47] giant cannot wake up, become healthy,
[01:03:48] and do what must be done in order to
[01:03:50] free this nation like the sleeping giant
[01:03:52] had back in World War II. If you go back
[01:03:55] to uh the January 6th clips, do we have
[01:03:58] any more to play?
[01:04:15] >> And and you're at that
[01:04:18] this is like reminds me of like the
[01:04:20] Vikings.
[01:04:20] >> Yeah. You're at that you're pushing
[01:04:22] against the the officers.
[01:04:24] >> Yeah.
[01:04:25] >> Right there.
[01:04:27] >> If if you could go back in time, I don't
[01:04:29] really believe in the concept of regret
[01:04:31] because we make decisions we make in the
[01:04:34] moment. We learn from it. But would you
[01:04:36] have done it differently?
[01:04:38] >> I don't think so. Um, one because I
[01:04:41] became a better man because of my
[01:04:42] incarceration. So that, you know, I have
[01:04:44] the the jewel of wisdom as a treasure.
[01:04:47] My relationship with Christ is stronger.
[01:04:50] But they were ruining our country.
[01:04:52] >> Did you find yourself in this situation
[01:04:55] like present day? You would do that
[01:04:58] again. You would take a shield and ram
[01:05:01] it against a bunch of officers trying to
[01:05:04] hold people back from going into the
[01:05:05] federal building.
[01:05:06] >> Well, it's like, you know, with the with
[01:05:08] the latest shooting video that you just
[01:05:09] showed. I think context is key.
[01:05:11] >> Context matters
[01:05:12] >> 100%. So, do I want to just, you know,
[01:05:14] disrespect every law enforcement officer
[01:05:16] with a shield? No. But if if an election
[01:05:18] is stolen, then I think the American
[01:05:20] people have a responsibility to do
[01:05:22] whatever it takes to make sure that we
[01:05:23] the people are the ones running this
[01:05:25] government, not into the ground, but
[01:05:27] toward heaven so that we can become a
[01:05:29] more perfect union. And if it requires
[01:05:32] whatever it takes in order to do so, I
[01:05:35] think that has to happen.
[01:05:36] >> What if it requires breaking the law?
[01:05:39] >> Well, felonies.
[01:05:40] >> Yes. There's a there's a good verse in
[01:05:42] Acts 5 which says we we have to abide by
[01:05:45] God as opposed to men. And so
[01:05:48] >> we're a nation of laws.
[01:05:49] >> We are a nation of laws, but we're also
[01:05:50] a nation under God. And so I think that
[01:05:53] since God comes before the laws that we
[01:05:55] have written, the laws that we have in
[01:05:57] America today would encourage infant
[01:05:59] side. The laws we have in America today
[01:06:01] encourage transgender surgeries. These
[01:06:03] are two very satanic laws that we have
[01:06:05] in this country.
[01:06:06] >> Reminiscent of Martin Luther King and
[01:06:08] and arguments for civil disobedience is
[01:06:11] what you're what you're making. Well, I
[01:06:13] think that that has to be the arena in
[01:06:14] which we discover whether or not we're
[01:06:16] going to be that city on the hill or
[01:06:17] not. Are we going to be another
[01:06:19] opportunity for Marxism to, you know,
[01:06:22] take hold of another country, which
[01:06:24] we're the last free country in this in
[01:06:26] this world? Um, or are we going to
[01:06:30] surpass all the odds and overcome all
[01:06:31] the obstacles and make our founding
[01:06:34] fathers proud, but ultimately our father
[01:06:36] in heaven proud? He's all about liberty.
[01:06:38] God's all about freedom. Jesus came to
[01:06:41] liberate you from the tyranny of sin and
[01:06:42] our constitution is written to liberate
[01:06:45] us from the tyranny of government.
[01:06:47] They're part and parcel of one another
[01:06:49] and it's my responsibility as is yours
[01:06:51] to remind the people of that so that
[01:06:53] when the time comes for us to stand our
[01:06:56] ground and say enough is enough. You've
[01:06:58] come this far but you're not going to go
[01:06:59] any further. Government,
[01:07:01] we have the courage and the fortitude to
[01:07:03] hold that ground to hold that line and
[01:07:05] to hold fast. Did you see the uh story
[01:07:07] we did a couple days ago about the
[01:07:09] Secret Service protecting the vice
[01:07:10] president?
[01:07:11] >> Yes. Yeah. Very concerning.
[01:07:13] >> Giving away secrets about
[01:07:16] >> his whereabouts to a total stranger.
[01:07:18] >> Total stranger.
[01:07:20] >> And it wasn't even so much what he said.
[01:07:22] It was like the circumstances. I mean,
[01:07:24] thank God I'm not a foreign spy,
[01:07:26] >> right?
[01:07:27] >> Uh and then this is about the protection
[01:07:29] of the vice president the vice president
[01:07:31] and his person closest to him is just
[01:07:33] spilling all the beans. Well, it makes
[01:07:36] me think about the Trump assassination
[01:07:37] in in Pennsylvania.
[01:07:39] >> Yeah. Like how many other things are
[01:07:40] like this,
[01:07:42] >> right? Yeah.
[01:07:43] >> And just just exposing it. I mean, I
[01:07:45] didn't do anything. I just reported on
[01:07:47] it,
[01:07:47] >> right?
[01:07:48] >> Sent a shock wave. I mean, they're doing
[01:07:50] anti-espionage training for all the
[01:07:52] Secret Service people now,
[01:07:53] >> right? Well, it also makes me think of
[01:07:54] Tina Peters, who's still locked up in
[01:07:56] the state of Colorado. All she did was
[01:07:58] expose that Colorado should have gone
[01:08:00] red and that the 2020 election was
[01:08:02] stolen. But she sits in a jail cell
[01:08:04] regardless of a presidential pardon for
[01:08:06] the only crime of trying to reveal what
[01:08:09] the Democrats and some Republicans did
[01:08:12] in the year of 2020. And so there there
[01:08:15] is a debate between laws of God and of
[01:08:17] men because we want to be a nation of
[01:08:19] laws. But at what point in time do we
[01:08:21] say that these laws are actually what's
[01:08:23] sinking us to hell or not? And the first
[01:08:25] amendment allows us to have that
[01:08:27] discussion. Conversations like this
[01:08:29] allow us to discover, you know what,
[01:08:31] this law is poorly written. Amendments
[01:08:33] can be made and we need to have that
[01:08:35] first amendment as sacrosan so that we
[01:08:38] can ameliate our issues with discussion
[01:08:41] as opposed to violence.
[01:08:43] >> Yeah. I mean the first amendment there
[01:08:45] are even journalists even citizen
[01:08:47] journalists don't have privileged
[01:08:49] immunity for committing crimes. I mean I
[01:08:53] I I can't do that. There's there's a
[01:08:54] very narrow thing where you can publish
[01:08:56] something that somebody else did if they
[01:08:58] committed a crime as long as you played
[01:09:00] no part. But I don't have as a reporter,
[01:09:02] I don't have privileged immunity, right,
[01:09:04] >> to break the law.
[01:09:05] >> Sure.
[01:09:05] >> But the First Amendment is certainly
[01:09:07] what makes us different. I mean, but
[01:09:08] where do you draw the line with civil
[01:09:10] disobedience?
[01:09:11] >> I mean, it's okay in this case, you
[01:09:14] you've made your argument clear. You've
[01:09:15] made your you said context matters. This
[01:09:17] in your sto you said the stolen
[01:09:19] election, God, preservation of the
[01:09:22] country. Where do you draw that line?
[01:09:23] Because
[01:09:25] people die. I mean, people get killed,
[01:09:27] people get hurt and it just seems to so
[01:09:30] I I understand also the country was
[01:09:32] predicated on the American founding
[01:09:34] predicate on a revolution, right?
[01:09:35] >> So, it's embedded in our DNA in our
[01:09:38] blood. Yeah.
[01:09:38] >> I just don't know how you reconcile
[01:09:40] these things and I just want to
[01:09:41] understand like what's the modern day
[01:09:44] January 6th
[01:09:46] because this was 5 years ago,
[01:09:48] >> right? Yeah. So I I think that you know
[01:09:51] uh in the future um obviously I would
[01:09:53] hope that no violence would come to
[01:09:54] America. Um however there's people that
[01:09:56] have committed acts of treason which
[01:09:58] last time I checked death is the penalty
[01:10:01] for that. Now we went through a court to
[01:10:04] determine whether or not you know the
[01:10:05] the Oathkeepers and the Proud Boys were
[01:10:07] were treasonous people. But those
[01:10:10] determinations were held by judges like
[01:10:13] Judge Meta or you know my judge where we
[01:10:16] already knew that the it was a kangaroo
[01:10:18] court. It was fixed. So I would I would
[01:10:21] say that your work is paramount because
[01:10:23] the more eyes that we have on the public
[01:10:25] opinion of what's actually happening
[01:10:26] behind closed doors in courtrooms um is
[01:10:29] important. I would say that the line for
[01:10:33] action is very similar to our founding
[01:10:35] documents like the Declaration of
[01:10:36] Independence. In it, you'll find 27
[01:10:38] complaints to the king where they have
[01:10:40] exhausted every single remedy to try to
[01:10:43] prevent violence. And so, my response to
[01:10:46] you is to do your research and fall back
[01:10:49] on the documents that made us a country
[01:10:51] in the first place. And if every single
[01:10:53] complaint to the king is being
[01:10:55] fulfilled, maybe it's time to act like
[01:10:57] our ancestors. You can
[01:10:58] >> go back to the American founding
[01:10:59] documents, it's kind of the Straussian
[01:11:01] argument. Look at the Declaration of
[01:11:03] Independence. And in that,
[01:11:04] >> you can read it right now. There's 11
[01:11:06] complaints to the king that we can
[01:11:07] personally relate to. And ironically
[01:11:09] enough, one of the final complaints to
[01:11:10] the king is that you have instigated
[01:11:13] insurrections amongst us and opened our
[01:11:16] borders to the savages beyond them.
[01:11:18] >> Mhm.
[01:11:19] >> Are we not having to put up with the
[01:11:21] same stuff right now? And so, so the
[01:11:24] struggle against liberty and tyranny is
[01:11:26] a tale as old as time. Our founding
[01:11:29] fathers didn't just write documents that
[01:11:32] were loaded with, you know, rights of
[01:11:33] the accused and responsibility for for
[01:11:36] government of our people, by the people,
[01:11:37] and for the people. They actually
[01:11:39] codified how to determine whether or not
[01:11:41] something is tyranny or not.
[01:11:43] >> You're just tuning in. We're we're
[01:11:44] talking to an interesting conversation
[01:11:46] with Robert A. Morris, author of Still
[01:11:50] There, spent three years in jail,
[01:11:53] prison, wrote a book that's reminiscent
[01:11:55] of the Gulog Archipelago.
[01:11:57] Whether you agree or disagree with his
[01:11:59] political philosophy, it's an
[01:12:00] interesting perspective. We have on the
[01:12:02] screen here the US Declaration of
[01:12:03] Independence grievances of King George.
[01:12:06] Um, this is what you're talking about.
[01:12:07] He's erected a multitude of new offices,
[01:12:09] sent hither swarms of officers to harass
[01:12:11] our people, eat their substance. He's
[01:12:12] kept among us in times of peace,
[01:12:13] standing armies without the intent of
[01:12:15] our legislators. This is what you're
[01:12:16] talking about, right?
[01:12:17] >> Absolutely.
[01:12:17] >> Effected to render military independent
[01:12:19] superior to the civil power, combined
[01:12:20] with others to subject to justification
[01:12:22] foreign to our constitution,
[01:12:24] etc. I mean, listen, people are talking
[01:12:27] about this Secret Service agent um that
[01:12:29] we exposed.
[01:12:32] You know, I didn't realize how big of a
[01:12:34] story it actually was, the implications
[01:12:36] of the story, because listen, if if
[01:12:38] there's the slightest misstep,
[01:12:41] uh not even what you did, but but uh
[01:12:44] mothers in Colorado, reporters at
[01:12:47] Project Veratas getting raided by the
[01:12:49] feds, even the perceived misstep will
[01:12:52] get you indicted. And this guy's been
[01:12:54] like suspended
[01:12:56] >> for sharing national defense secrets.
[01:12:59] >> Well, it gets even worse. The man who
[01:13:00] murdered Ashley Babbot, Michael Bird, is
[01:13:02] still free.
[01:13:04] >> Speaking of Babbot, let's pull up that
[01:13:06] clip. We have that clip. Take a look at
[01:13:08] that clip and then we'll go into your
[01:13:10] book for another short while.
[01:13:12] >> Cool.
[01:13:16] There's a gun. There's a gun.
[01:13:28] Shots fired.
[01:13:29] >> A lady was just shot. She might be dying
[01:13:32] right now.
[01:13:33] >> All right. That's the actually Babbot
[01:13:36] getting shot. Right.
[01:13:37] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's It's horrific and I've
[01:13:40] had to watch it a thousand times, but
[01:13:42] it's something that I think every
[01:13:44] American needs to witness so that they
[01:13:46] understand the the depth of that day.
[01:13:49] For sure. Few more clips team from that
[01:13:53] day.
[01:13:56] We have one caller and then we're going
[01:13:57] to go into your book and and and talk
[01:13:59] about your incarceration a little bit
[01:14:01] more and some of the things you learned.
[01:14:02] Go ahead caller. Steve from Washington.
[01:14:04] Go ahead.
[01:14:07] >> Hey gentlemen, great to talk to you
[01:14:09] both. Hey, Robert too was with 275 but
[01:14:12] back in the early 90s so we missed each
[01:14:14] other about a few years. Hey Pam Bondi
[01:14:18] and Cash Patel have been receiving
[01:14:20] massive criticism for many reasons over
[01:14:23] the last year but maybe the largest
[01:14:25] reason for the calling for their
[01:14:27] replacement is the slowing of bringing
[01:14:30] full justice concerning January 6. Do
[01:14:33] you think they're stone stonewalling and
[01:14:36] slowing the justice we all want to see?
[01:14:38] And do you think we'll eventually see
[01:14:41] something substantial eventually like
[01:14:44] prosecuting the high-profile figures who
[01:14:46] set up and orchestrated January 6?
[01:14:50] >> Yeah. So my response to that is Rangers
[01:14:53] lead the way. Thanks for calling in. Uh
[01:14:55] but I will say that it it definitely
[01:14:57] seems as though that a lot of the people
[01:14:58] within our government are slow rolling
[01:15:00] justice, but I think the reason for that
[01:15:02] is because of what we discussed earlier.
[01:15:04] The judges need to be held accountable
[01:15:06] and they need to be removed somehow so
[01:15:08] that you don't have people like the
[01:15:10] Clintons who they recognize the judges
[01:15:12] from Epstein Island get up front of the
[01:15:14] judge. They get exonerated of their
[01:15:16] crimes with with impunity or whatever
[01:15:18] and then the case is closed. So what
[01:15:20] needs to be fixed is our judicial
[01:15:22] process so that we can actually see
[01:15:25] justice and that takes time.
[01:15:26] >> What is justice? What justice do we want
[01:15:28] here?
[01:15:29] >> I want these people completely
[01:15:31] incapable.
[01:15:32] >> Who's these people? Every Democrat and
[01:15:35] Republican responsible for January 6.
[01:15:37] Every Democrat and Republican
[01:15:38] responsible for the 2020 elections.
[01:15:40] Every Democrat and responsible Every
[01:15:42] Democrat and Republican responsible for
[01:15:44] the pandemic to be behind bars.
[01:15:46] >> You think that's going to happen?
[01:15:48] >> I mean, if Trump's got the guts, it
[01:15:51] will.
[01:15:51] >> How many people in the deep state have
[01:15:53] been arrested so far?
[01:15:54] >> Not nearly as many January 6ers were
[01:15:56] arrested this time four years ago.
[01:15:59] >> Mhm.
[01:16:01] That's interesting perspective. I mean,
[01:16:03] yeah, they did a good job of rounding
[01:16:04] all of you guys up
[01:16:06] >> very quickly. And
[01:16:07] >> but you guys are just you're you're a
[01:16:08] you're a a very intelligent guy, but
[01:16:12] you're a teacher. I mean, all these guys
[01:16:13] are kind of like from the, you know,
[01:16:15] from the hinterlands. I'm talking about
[01:16:18] like how many actual deep state guys
[01:16:21] have been arrested.
[01:16:23] >> I don't know. I I can't think of one.
[01:16:25] Maybe I'm
[01:16:25] >> not nearly enough. Yeah. I think one
[01:16:27] either. Yeah. I mean,
[01:16:28] >> has there been one? I want Maduro to
[01:16:31] have something to do with it hopefully,
[01:16:33] you know, and maybe that's the beginning
[01:16:34] of the end, you know, but like I said,
[01:16:36] you know, at the press conference on
[01:16:38] January 6th, until these people that are
[01:16:40] responsible for ruining my life, the and
[01:16:42] ruining the state of my country are
[01:16:43] Maduro, then we're we're not going to
[01:16:46] fix anything and we're going to have
[01:16:47] another January 6th very soon and it
[01:16:52] might be necessary.
[01:16:57] Um, that's quite a statement.
[01:16:59] another January 6th.
[01:17:02] Uh
[01:17:04] do we have another caller?
[01:17:07] Let's go let's go back to your book. Um
[01:17:10] page 155
[01:17:13] and I'm just going to maybe this will
[01:17:14] bring up some more topics of learning.
[01:17:18] Uh I was forced to live in I was being
[01:17:20] absolutely crushed with the thought of
[01:17:22] what this was what was doing to the
[01:17:23] people I care about. I did not
[01:17:25] understand the instant rage that was
[01:17:27] targeted at me from people I had broken
[01:17:29] bread with for years. I was stunned by
[01:17:31] how the media can say one thing and
[01:17:33] change how someone sees you forever. But
[01:17:35] it's not just the sinister influence of
[01:17:37] the fake news media. A lot of personal
[01:17:38] frustration and outright rage stem from
[01:17:41] the recurring idea that many people in
[01:17:42] my life uh shared that a choice was made
[01:17:46] on January 6th.
[01:17:48] That I had a choice kept coming up as a
[01:17:51] quasi excuse for creating distance or
[01:17:52] cutting ties with me altogether. So this
[01:17:54] is the idea that I I thought it was
[01:17:56] interesting because you kind of figure
[01:17:57] out who your friends are and who they
[01:17:58] aren't when you go through something
[01:18:00] like this,
[01:18:00] >> right?
[01:18:01] >> Did people turn on you?
[01:18:03] >> A lot.
[01:18:04] >> Yeah. Almost everybody.
[01:18:05] >> My father has forsaken me. My brother
[01:18:06] has completely written me off.
[01:18:08] >> Your father has forsaken you?
[01:18:09] >> Yes. The very guy that raised me to
[01:18:11] listen to Rush Limbbo while we were in
[01:18:13] the truck going hunting.
[01:18:14] >> So it was like love hate. Was it like
[01:18:17] contrasted very quickly? I would say
[01:18:19] within that 4-year period, a lot of
[01:18:22] people that proclaimed to be patriots
[01:18:24] showed the world that they were not.
[01:18:25] >> So, he doesn't talk to you anymore.
[01:18:27] >> No, he's actually running around wearing
[01:18:28] dresses right now. Married a witch,
[01:18:30] voted for Camala Harris, and desented my
[01:18:32] pardon. This guy is not
[01:18:33] >> When did that start happening?
[01:18:35] >> While I was locked up. This guy is not
[01:18:37] the father who raised me. I was raised
[01:18:39] to be a Christian conservative
[01:18:41] dress.
[01:18:42] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's embarrassing.
[01:18:43] >> He sounds like he's got other things
[01:18:45] going on.
[01:18:45] >> You know what I think it is? Is demonic
[01:18:47] oppression. I think that's befallen my
[01:18:49] brother. I think that's befallen my
[01:18:50] uncle.
[01:18:50] >> Do you think that demonic oppression the
[01:18:53] proximate cause of that was what
[01:18:56] happened to you?
[01:18:57] >> Well, it's interesting because so many
[01:18:59] other people within my family decided to
[01:19:01] have my back. You know, like my mother,
[01:19:03] she did not care what it took. She was
[01:19:05] going to do everything within her power
[01:19:06] to liberate me and to free me. And so,
[01:19:10] what happens to someone else shouldn't
[01:19:13] be an excuse for you to run and hide. It
[01:19:15] should be an encouragement to be there
[01:19:17] and defend them.
[01:19:19] >> And I think if if the American
[01:19:21] experiment that took place during all of
[01:19:23] our arrests revealed anything was that
[01:19:26] the federal government wasn't crushing
[01:19:28] me just for my own sake and
[01:19:29] intimidation. They were doing these
[01:19:32] incredibly egregious acts,
[01:19:33] unconstitutional acts to intimidate the
[01:19:36] rest of America. Don't you dare stand up
[01:19:39] to tyranny, otherwise this will happen
[01:19:41] to you. And so yes, I think fear played
[01:19:43] a huge role in that. But for some
[01:19:45] people, no amount of fear was enough to
[01:19:48] make them turn their back on me. And
[01:19:50] now, just like you just said, I know who
[01:19:52] my real friends and family are.
[01:19:54] >> That's probably the hardest part about
[01:19:55] the process is is the people closest to
[01:19:57] you. The thing the thing the things that
[01:19:59] you thought that was true about the
[01:20:01] world are not.
[01:20:02] >> Yeah.
[01:20:02] >> Which is kind of a I actually think
[01:20:04] that's on balance a good thing
[01:20:06] >> because it's the death of innocence, the
[01:20:08] death of being naive. And being naive is
[01:20:11] not good as Jordan Peterson says. You
[01:20:13] kind of think of it like it's good, but
[01:20:14] it's not. It's not. It's not a good
[01:20:16] thing.
[01:20:16] >> He also I I quote him in this as well,
[01:20:19] saying that, you know, weakness isn't a
[01:20:21] sign of being good either.
[01:20:22] >> No.
[01:20:22] >> And so, I think a lot of weak people
[01:20:24] within my life turned their back on me
[01:20:25] and very strong people showed up and are
[01:20:28] always going to have my back because I
[01:20:30] was strong for them while I was
[01:20:31] incarcerated. And I think that strength
[01:20:33] was on loan from God.
[01:20:35] >> Um, this is from your book, page 199.
[01:20:40] Just little anecdotes I thought that the
[01:20:41] audience would find interesting. If you
[01:20:43] call someone a [ __ ] in prison, the
[01:20:46] recipient has to fight. Has is in
[01:20:48] capital letters.
[01:20:49] >> Yeah.
[01:20:50] >> The understanding is that if someone
[01:20:52] were to be called a [ __ ] without
[01:20:53] anything being done, then the invitation
[01:20:56] for any anything and everything
[01:20:58] everything to be done to that individual
[01:20:59] will occur. Calling someone a [ __ ] is
[01:21:02] grounds for violence. Did anyone ever
[01:21:03] call you a [ __ ] in prison?
[01:21:05] >> I was never called that directly face to
[01:21:07] face. though I think the the chapter
[01:21:09] that you're referring to uh references a
[01:21:11] guy named Tyrone who was trying to speak
[01:21:14] uh casually around me in that regard. Um
[01:21:18] but yeah, it's there's rules in prison
[01:21:20] and your safety, your integrity comes
[01:21:23] with violence and violence does solve
[01:21:25] problems every once in a while.
[01:21:26] >> Did you ever engage in violence in
[01:21:28] prison?
[01:21:28] >> Ironically, no.
[01:21:30] >> Wow.
[01:21:30] >> For three and a half years, I was not in
[01:21:32] a single fight. God delivered everything
[01:21:33] right.
[01:21:34] >> Well, I tried. But I can't take credit
[01:21:36] for that though. You see, God delivered
[01:21:38] me from the lion's dens. He closed their
[01:21:41] mouths. And because of my ability to
[01:21:43] reason, negotiate, and to try to
[01:21:45] encourage people that animals eat each
[01:21:46] other alive, but men make peace. Men
[01:21:48] negotiate, I was trying to make not just
[01:21:51] my father in heaven proud, but also my
[01:21:53] mother and everyone else who believed in
[01:21:55] me, everyone who wrote me. But then I
[01:21:57] also believed and I think this is the
[01:21:59] most important part of it is that if we
[01:22:01] deny the pleasure of our enemies to
[01:22:03] point the finger and say see we told you
[01:22:06] Robert Morse is a monster and this is
[01:22:07] why he has to remain in prison. That was
[01:22:10] my best revenge. I was going to fight
[01:22:12] back with the right hook of integrity. I
[01:22:14] was going to prove my enemies wrong
[01:22:16] about me against the odds and not taking
[01:22:19] any bait whatsoever so that at the end
[01:22:22] of the day they would be shamed with
[01:22:23] their inaccuracy and I would have all of
[01:22:26] the standing to say that even though I
[01:22:29] was forced into a fiery furnace, I still
[01:22:32] would not bow down to their golden idol.
[01:22:34] >> Is your desire to see these people
[01:22:38] dealt what you want them to be dealt is
[01:22:41] that revenge?
[01:22:44] No, because revenge is an emotional
[01:22:46] response. Um, I think it goes beyond
[01:22:49] justice. Um, justice is something that
[01:22:52] happens after a crime. These people try
[01:22:55] to murder a country and so they're
[01:22:57] guilty of attempted manslaughter as far
[01:22:59] as I'm concerned against Lady Liberty.
[01:23:01] But the people that have been doing this
[01:23:02] for years on end, this is a way of life
[01:23:05] for them. An entire way of life has
[01:23:07] taken root in America to destroy the
[01:23:09] very country that would at any point in
[01:23:11] time fight to defend them. So there's a
[01:23:13] crisis of conscience and character at at
[01:23:16] work which is a contest of gods. So I
[01:23:19] actually think that something holy has
[01:23:21] to happen in order for this problem to
[01:23:24] be fixed for it to be uprooted. Um it's
[01:23:27] not just revenge.
[01:23:29] Something has to happen that's biblical.
[01:23:32] >> Justice is more about proportionality.
[01:23:36] Just justice is
[01:23:37] >> But how do you quantify enslaving an
[01:23:38] entire nation and getting them the
[01:23:40] vaccine and then stealing an election
[01:23:41] from them and opening their borders?
[01:23:43] >> Well, there there's a lack of
[01:23:44] proportionality currently in the United
[01:23:46] States. There's no one's held
[01:23:47] accountable for anything
[01:23:49] >> except us if we storing the capital in
[01:23:51] MAT,
[01:23:51] >> right? There and and maybe maybe on some
[01:23:54] level there's there's a you know a
[01:23:57] colorable crime there or a misdemeanor
[01:23:59] there or even a felony there, but
[01:24:01] there's a lack of proportionality for
[01:24:02] sure.
[01:24:03] >> Without a doubt. So, for example, while
[01:24:05] I was locked up, there was an individual
[01:24:08] who punched a black female Capitol
[01:24:10] police officer in the face.
[01:24:14] Only got 6 months probation,
[01:24:16] >> right?
[01:24:17] >> While I'm locked up, never punched
[01:24:19] anybody in the
[01:24:20] >> It's about fairness. It's about It's
[01:24:22] about
[01:24:22] >> the equal applica or let's at least all
[01:24:25] agree that there should be an equal
[01:24:27] application of the law.
[01:24:28] >> Absolutely. which is what's it so hard
[01:24:30] to reconcile this idea of civil
[01:24:32] disobedience in some ways with the equal
[01:24:34] application of law. But that's a subject
[01:24:36] for part two of our interview. We're
[01:24:39] running out of time almost.
[01:24:41] >> So this is from a page 210 of your book,
[01:24:43] I guess, just things you learned in
[01:24:44] prison.
[01:24:45] >> Yeah.
[01:24:45] >> This is like kind of a stoic meditations
[01:24:49] that you've written. um team if you have
[01:24:52] it. It's it starts with one of the
[01:24:54] boldest things you can do is decide to
[01:24:56] say despite my past instead of saying
[01:24:59] because of my past.
[01:25:01] Architects do not erase they redesign.
[01:25:04] You do not have to deny what happened
[01:25:06] but you must decide what the previous
[01:25:07] events mean. Now if you want the outside
[01:25:10] world to stop hurting you must heal what
[01:25:12] the outside world is pointing to within
[01:25:14] you. Are these things that you kind of
[01:25:16] like came to epiphanies while being in
[01:25:18] prison?
[01:25:19] Yeah,
[01:25:20] >> meditating.
[01:25:21] >> I would say that um you know like
[01:25:23] Solomon asked for wisdom.
[01:25:26] >> I too asked for that.
[01:25:27] >> You asked God for wisdom.
[01:25:28] >> I actually asked God to fold my brain in
[01:25:31] on itself more so that I could retain
[01:25:32] more information and learn as much as
[01:25:35] possible.
[01:25:36] >> My weapon is my mind.
[01:25:38] >> Did you just pray and it came to you or
[01:25:40] did you read? How did you
[01:25:42] >> I read I fasted.
[01:25:43] >> What did you read?
[01:25:45] >> Well, I read a lot of um Sultanis one. I
[01:25:48] read Plato's Republic. I read Thomas
[01:25:50] Hobbes Leviathan. I read
[01:25:52] >> Volrison Library or on online.
[01:25:54] >> Either that or it was sent in to me, you
[01:25:56] know. I I read um a lot. I read Paradise
[01:25:59] Lost. I read uh Cicero's The Ideal
[01:26:02] Order. I read the autobiography of
[01:26:04] Benjamin Franklin. I I read Aristotle.
[01:26:07] >> Did you find that like what Sultzene
[01:26:09] said is in in jail in in our life, we
[01:26:12] don't have any time. There's never
[01:26:14] there's never any time. But in prison,
[01:26:16] you have an abundance of time,
[01:26:17] >> which forces you to confront who you
[01:26:20] are,
[01:26:21] >> right?
[01:26:22] >> And that is why there's no time out
[01:26:23] here. You see, the acronym for busy is
[01:26:26] being under Satan's yoke. And the whole
[01:26:28] game that Satan would like to play with
[01:26:30] you is that you don't have to look at
[01:26:31] yourself. You don't have to look at
[01:26:33] yourself in a mirror. Just look at
[01:26:35] everybody else. Judge everybody else
[01:26:37] because you're better than everybody
[01:26:38] else. But what Christ asks you to do is
[01:26:41] look at me. look at the look at the
[01:26:44] stripes that I have taken that you
[01:26:46] deserve and humble yourself before me so
[01:26:48] that I can see you in heaven someday.
[01:26:51] And so the the dichotomy of who you look
[01:26:53] to in times of strife is what determines
[01:26:57] whether or not you will be successful at
[01:26:59] the end of the day because you can
[01:27:01] suffer and you can survive. Plenty of
[01:27:03] January 6ers made it out of this. We
[01:27:05] just had a big reunion at the capital in
[01:27:07] January 6. But it's the way you suffer
[01:27:10] is what determines the man that you're
[01:27:12] gonna be.
[01:27:12] >> How did that go, that reunion?
[01:27:14] >> It was good. Uh I didn't see any fights.
[01:27:17] There was some tiffs here and there, you
[01:27:18] know. Um but I stayed out of it. I'm I'm
[01:27:20] flying under the radar, man. I got a
[01:27:22] production company that I've got. I got
[01:27:24] two books now that I've written. I'm
[01:27:25] busy. The grass does not grow underneath
[01:27:27] my feet because I got a country to save.
[01:27:29] Baby,
[01:27:29] >> you're out of jail now. Now you're
[01:27:31] limited on time again.
[01:27:32] >> Exactly. But the way that this is
[01:27:35] different than the last time was that
[01:27:36] I'm I'm completely sober. I've actually
[01:27:39] taken an oath of salacy until I'm
[01:27:40] married.
[01:27:41] >> Were you drinking at the time of January
[01:27:42] 6th?
[01:27:43] >> I was not. That's a trick question
[01:27:45] there.
[01:27:46] >> Were you drinking that before that time?
[01:27:50] >> Yeah, I would I would dabble in the
[01:27:51] party lifestyle for sure, you know,
[01:27:53] because
[01:27:54] >> like socially or all the time?
[01:27:55] >> I would say socially, you know. I was
[01:27:57] not an alcoholic.
[01:27:57] >> You're not an alcoholic?
[01:27:58] >> No. But I would say that I have learned
[01:28:00] how much alcohol can slow you down and I
[01:28:03] think that's the point of it all. Uh the
[01:28:05] way that you know alcohol forces you to
[01:28:07] want to eat certain foods, forces you to
[01:28:09] want to be with certain people and then
[01:28:11] you know it's just a way of destruction.
[01:28:13] And so I have tried to refine myself as
[01:28:15] much as possible so that I can now
[01:28:18] create movies that are faith-based that
[01:28:20] are also violent and gritty that inspire
[01:28:23] the next generation to keep this
[01:28:25] republic. I want to be able to raise a
[01:28:27] family and lead them to Christ. I read a
[01:28:30] really good book called King, Warrior,
[01:28:31] Magician, Lover. I highly recommend that
[01:28:33] you read it and you'd understand the way
[01:28:35] that I think really well from it. But it
[01:28:37] also points out that the responsibility
[01:28:39] of the king is to be the conduit in
[01:28:42] between the Almighty and the people. And
[01:28:44] you can determine the quality of the
[01:28:46] water by the character of the king. And
[01:28:48] if the water is wrong, if the kingdom is
[01:28:50] dried up, that means there's something
[01:28:51] wrong with the king because he's using
[01:28:53] his position for himself. The king's job
[01:28:56] is to be a highway between the people
[01:28:58] and the almighty.
[01:28:59] >> And every father is a king of his
[01:29:01] household. And so I want to be a good
[01:29:05] rendition of what Christ is supposed to
[01:29:08] look like for the church so that I can
[01:29:10] lead my house closer to the Lord. As for
[01:29:12] me in my house, we will serve him. But I
[01:29:14] also want to never let my kids feel the
[01:29:17] way that I did when my father was
[01:29:19] willing to turn his back on me. I'm
[01:29:21] going to raise my kids to be patriots
[01:29:23] and they will never feel the shame of
[01:29:25] not having a dad.
[01:29:26] >> You don't want them to feel what you
[01:29:29] have felt. That's another thing that
[01:29:32] suffering,
[01:29:34] extreme pain
[01:29:36] subjected onto someone does, I found.
[01:29:41] And
[01:29:41] >> if it's used properly,
[01:29:42] >> if it's used properly, it, you know, it,
[01:29:45] you know, it it engenders in you an
[01:29:48] empathy that you didn't previously had
[01:29:50] have.
[01:29:50] >> Yeah.
[01:29:51] >> Which is towards your children.
[01:29:53] >> Yes.
[01:29:53] >> Or it could go the other way around.
[01:29:56] >> Oh, yeah. It can make you a tyrant to
[01:29:58] compensate for the lack of control that
[01:30:00] you had at the time.
[01:30:00] >> Correct.
[01:30:01] >> Of the pain.
[01:30:02] >> And in my case, I mean, I was in I
[01:30:05] didn't even commit a crime when I was
[01:30:07] 25. I was, you know, on supervised house
[01:30:10] probation for 3 years and which sounds
[01:30:13] not that big of a deal, but apparently
[01:30:15] like was an enemy of the state. They
[01:30:16] wouldn't let let me leave the house
[01:30:17] without asking for permission. So I
[01:30:19] didn't have an ankle brace on, but
[01:30:21] >> I'd go to prison if I left.
[01:30:23] >> Yeah.
[01:30:23] >> And I was really, you know, pitting
[01:30:26] myself quite a bit. Well, there's a lot
[01:30:28] of people like, you know, my buddy
[01:30:29] Trenus Evans of Condemned USA who's had
[01:30:31] to watch his kids get pointed at with
[01:30:34] loaded guns and lasers on on their
[01:30:35] bodies while he's stood powerless. How
[01:30:38] do you respond from something like that?
[01:30:40] Him and myself and many others are
[01:30:42] trying to do everything within our power
[01:30:43] to use that pain to motivate us to fix
[01:30:46] this country so that what happened to
[01:30:48] the January 6er and the nation at large
[01:30:51] never happens again.
[01:30:55] I think what has to happen is somebody
[01:30:58] has to be arrested for something in our
[01:31:01] government. Someone has to be held
[01:31:02] accountable. Like I don't know the I
[01:31:04] don't know. I mean, you know, do we need
[01:31:07] do we need to do what do you think about
[01:31:08] cruel and unusual punishment?
[01:31:10] >> I think it's necessary.
[01:31:11] >> There's a whole conversation about that
[01:31:12] the eth amendment. Is it the eth
[01:31:14] amendment?
[01:31:14] >> Well, I mean,
[01:31:15] >> public hangings and that type of thing.
[01:31:17] >> Yeah, I would say that what we went
[01:31:18] through was definitely cruel and
[01:31:19] unusual.
[01:31:20] >> You would consider that a violation of
[01:31:22] the eth amendment. Without a doubt. I
[01:31:24] mean, there's so many violations of the
[01:31:25] Fourth Amendment, my first amendment,
[01:31:26] the 10th Amendment. You got to be
[01:31:27] kidding me. And so, my constitutional
[01:31:29] rights were completely eviscerated. But
[01:31:31] what I can say is that, and I appreciate
[01:31:34] that you're taking the time to try to
[01:31:35] understand this, it wasn't just that we
[01:31:37] got a bad prison sentence. It was that
[01:31:41] the whole nation
[01:31:43] was convinced to decide over whether or
[01:31:46] not Robert Morris is an enemy of the
[01:31:48] state or not. half of the nation hates
[01:31:50] my guts because the Black Mirror told
[01:31:52] him so.
[01:31:54] I mean, that that is crazy in and it of
[01:31:56] itself. And so, with that being said,
[01:31:58] and the and the atrocities that are
[01:32:00] happening everywhere within every single
[01:32:02] facility of incarceration in our
[01:32:04] country, um the only thing that we
[01:32:07] really had to cling to was this wild
[01:32:09] hope that Trump was going to pardon us.
[01:32:11] >> And he did.
[01:32:12] >> And he did, which was an answered
[01:32:13] prayer. He didn't have to do that. And
[01:32:15] I'm and I'm hoping that the stories that
[01:32:18] heard or that that reached him about
[01:32:20] what we were going through is one of the
[01:32:22] biggest motivating factors for that to
[01:32:23] take place.
[01:32:24] >> Tell me that moment when you found out
[01:32:26] like take us to that moment when you
[01:32:29] realized you were going to be free.
[01:32:33] >> I can only think that that feeling had
[01:32:36] been something relatively close to what
[01:32:39] the Hebrews felt when they watched the
[01:32:41] Red Sea start to part.
[01:32:43] So, where were you?
[01:32:45] >> I was in the Pittsburgh halfway house at
[01:32:47] the time. By then, I'd been sent to a
[01:32:49] halfway house. And when we had been
[01:32:52] pardoned,
[01:32:54] I almost had a uh out of body experience
[01:32:57] where I felt as though that I was
[01:32:58] watching a movie, but inside of it, too.
[01:33:01] And uh not many people get a
[01:33:03] presidential pardon.
[01:33:04] >> How did you find out?
[01:33:06] >> Well, it was on social media and stuff,
[01:33:07] you know, and people had
[01:33:08] >> on X or Instagram,
[01:33:10] >> right? Exactly. And um
[01:33:11] >> and what and you felt out of body
[01:33:13] experience.
[01:33:14] >> Well, think about it. I mean, it's it's
[01:33:16] bigger than winning the lottery. It's
[01:33:17] bigger than it's bigger than anything
[01:33:19] because a four-year ballot had come to a
[01:33:22] conclusion.
[01:33:24] >> Well, I mean, I I suppose that that's
[01:33:27] one way to experience that. I guess um
[01:33:30] the the extreme position in my you know,
[01:33:32] it's like this too shall pass when you
[01:33:34] go through all that suffering.
[01:33:35] >> Yeah.
[01:33:35] >> Cuz you had already been out of jail by
[01:33:37] that time, right?
[01:33:38] >> Yeah. So, I left Lorettto Prison on
[01:33:40] August 29th, 2024.
[01:33:44] I was in the Pittsburgh halfway house.
[01:33:46] Um, working at a steel company, Glen
[01:33:48] Shaw Steel, um, for that remainder of
[01:33:50] that time. And, um, so I was out, I was
[01:33:53] in the community, um, I had an ankle
[01:33:56] monitor on, you know, and, um, kind of
[01:33:58] wrestling with those demons.
[01:34:00] >> You were working where?
[01:34:01] >> Uh, Glen Shaw Steel in Pittsburgh,
[01:34:03] Pennsylvania.
[01:34:04] >> A steel?
[01:34:04] >> Yeah, steel company. Yeah. I didn't know
[01:34:06] there still were steel companies in
[01:34:08] Pittsburgh.
[01:34:08] >> There's a few left, man. There's a few
[01:34:10] left. Obama didn't wipe them all out.
[01:34:13] Um, but yeah, it was it was an
[01:34:14] interesting thing, too, where, you know,
[01:34:16] I I had to wrestle with uh similar
[01:34:18] demons that I had met once I got out of
[01:34:20] the army the first time and I had
[01:34:22] learned the mistakes that I had made
[01:34:26] after my time, you know, as a ranger. I
[01:34:29] would not repeat again because more was
[01:34:30] on the line this time. The fate of the
[01:34:33] nation and perhaps the world rests upon
[01:34:35] the sold the shoulders of men like you
[01:34:37] and I who are either going to hold
[01:34:39] people accountable and expose truth for
[01:34:41] what it is so that it can set our nation
[01:34:42] free or throw a pity party and sit back
[01:34:46] and say someone else will do it and then
[01:34:48] our nation will die because of our
[01:34:50] ineptitude and indolence.
[01:34:52] >> You we might get crucified.
[01:34:55] I mean, we have different missions, but
[01:34:59] um I think the article 3 court's
[01:35:02] protection of the first amendment is
[01:35:03] pretty absolute. I I think it
[01:35:06] >> in my case, if I lose if I lose my case,
[01:35:10] it's like the first amendment itself
[01:35:12] loses. So, the only way that I could
[01:35:15] lose is if I don't give up,
[01:35:16] >> right?
[01:35:17] >> If I if I don't but but in order to not
[01:35:19] give up, I have to raise like an ungodly
[01:35:20] amount of money to pay lawyers.
[01:35:22] >> Yeah.
[01:35:22] >> How did you pay your lawyers? Uh well
[01:35:25] there uh there was a lot of different
[01:35:27] ways that that happened. So uh Patriot
[01:35:28] Freedom Project helped us find the
[01:35:30] defense attorney for the sentencing. Um
[01:35:33] I know that my poor mother had to cash
[01:35:34] out her retirement uh for the other
[01:35:36] lawyer John Caga who totally dropped the
[01:35:39] ball um and abandoned me completely at
[01:35:41] my trial. Um and then the public
[01:35:43] defender that we had initially I fired
[01:35:45] when they said, "Well, you might look at
[01:35:47] uh eight or nine years if you take the
[01:35:48] plea deal. We can go to trial if you
[01:35:50] want." We needed to fight, you know,
[01:35:52] just like you. We I know that we can't
[01:35:54] give up. You know, it says in this book,
[01:35:56] and maybe that's another it's a good
[01:35:57] opportunity for me to give that to you
[01:35:58] here soon, is that um our founding
[01:36:00] fathers pointed out that should America
[01:36:02] fail, it would be the detriment to the
[01:36:04] whole world. Um so, still there is the
[01:36:06] second book that I've written. Kelly
[01:36:08] Mess and I wrote the first book, One
[01:36:10] Question Remains, while we were locked
[01:36:11] up in Philly. We had that smuggled out
[01:36:14] of that prison so that without the
[01:36:17] confidence that Trump was going to
[01:36:18] pardon us,
[01:36:20] >> it was a message in a bottle. um like a
[01:36:23] Hail Mary, if you will, that someone
[01:36:24] would care enough so that January 6
[01:36:27] could be fixed. One question remains is
[01:36:29] a book um that essentially reveals how
[01:36:32] January 6 was a lobster trap. And the
[01:36:34] only complaint that I got from it was
[01:36:36] that I didn't talk about myself enough.
[01:36:37] So that's why I spent a lot of time
[01:36:40] trying to catalog three and a half years
[01:36:42] of prison time and one and uh still
[01:36:44] there. So these are yours.
[01:36:46] >> They're signed by me. They belong to you
[01:36:48] and I know that you'd be a good steward
[01:36:49] of them and everything that we went
[01:36:50] through. American
[01:36:53] muckreaker the first chapter is called
[01:36:56] suffering
[01:36:57] >> ah
[01:36:57] >> suffering
[01:36:59] and in the end of the chapter called
[01:37:02] suffering
[01:37:04] um which I think is very apppropo
[01:37:07] because I think with the citizen
[01:37:08] journalism movement happening and I just
[01:37:11] want to read this to you yeah
[01:37:12] >> and maybe we'll leave you with this and
[01:37:14] okay
[01:37:14] >> anything else you want to say but
[01:37:16] >> um
[01:37:18] >> at the commencement of your ascent you'd
[01:37:20] become too wellknown
[01:37:21] So two becomes four, four becomes eight.
[01:37:25] And the same experiences that torture
[01:37:26] you engender trust with you and you
[01:37:30] begin to realize the ark of the moral
[01:37:32] universe is long but it bends towards
[01:37:33] justice. And those people asking what
[01:37:36] can I do suddenly are willing to give up
[01:37:40] their lives for their calling so long as
[01:37:42] you are willing. And now no defamation
[01:37:44] or incarceration can stop the momentum.
[01:37:46] It is your junction to be awesome. One
[01:37:49] cannot be afraid for we cannot live in
[01:37:51] fear. So a new truth on top of the truth
[01:37:54] revealed in your reports emerges as the
[01:37:56] reaction from the opposition starts to
[01:37:58] become essential for the success of the
[01:37:59] campaign. Thanks to the reactions and
[01:38:02] the reactions to the reactions you the
[01:38:05] reports are disclosed appear brought
[01:38:07] into the consciousness of an ordinary
[01:38:09] people. The balance of forces are now
[01:38:11] changed. The role of the oppressor is
[01:38:13] now reversed. David assumes new strength
[01:38:16] while Goliath is attacked on all sides.
[01:38:18] The hunter has become the hunted.
[01:38:21] And I think, you know, you have the
[01:38:23] citizen journalism movement in
[01:38:24] Minnesota.
[01:38:25] >> Okay.
[01:38:26] >> And what people are doing right now.
[01:38:27] >> Yeah.
[01:38:28] >> That's pretty exciting.
[01:38:29] >> You might have something to do with
[01:38:31] that.
[01:38:31] >> The First Amendment.
[01:38:34] >> That's really all we got. And And if
[01:38:36] that goes, then everything else goes.
[01:38:38] But
[01:38:38] >> do you think it'll go?
[01:38:39] >> No. No. Are you kidding me? We've won
[01:38:42] every World War. We've overcome odds
[01:38:44] over time and time again. You can poison
[01:38:47] our skies and put poison in our veins
[01:38:49] and poison in our heads, but we've got
[01:38:51] God in our hearts.
[01:38:52] >> You think I should investigate the
[01:38:53] chemtrails thing?
[01:38:54] >> I think you should investigate the
[01:38:55] chemtrails. I think you should
[01:38:56] investigate federal judges and I think
[01:38:59] you should investigate these people that
[01:39:00] need to stand trial for treason against
[01:39:03] America.
[01:39:03] >> What shouldn't we investigate?
[01:39:05] >> Let's start with the judges and maybe we
[01:39:07] can see some justice.
[01:39:08] >> Um, I did say we were going to
[01:39:10] investigate the prosecutors so they
[01:39:11] don't start arresting people.
[01:39:12] >> Yeah. And I think they heard that one
[01:39:15] because I usually do what I say I'm
[01:39:16] going to do. It usually takes a long
[01:39:17] time to get
[01:39:18] >> Well, they hear a lot more. They listen
[01:39:19] to us a lot.
[01:39:20] >> Yeah. They're probably watching right
[01:39:22] now.
[01:39:22] >> Yeah.
[01:39:23] >> But um
[01:39:23] >> they hate this because we got two guys
[01:39:25] that are not willing to give up.
[01:39:27] >> Yeah. I don't I'm not constitutionally
[01:39:28] capable of giving up. But it is hard.
[01:39:31] >> Yeah.
[01:39:31] >> It is It is painful, isn't it?
[01:39:33] >> It is.
[01:39:33] >> It's hard.
[01:39:35] >> Yeah.
[01:39:35] >> I think I think being I think being
[01:39:37] excellent at anything is hard.
[01:39:38] >> True.
[01:39:40] >> Uh and it takes a team. take takes a
[01:39:43] team,
[01:39:43] >> you know, Friday Night Lights.
[01:39:45] >> Yeah.
[01:39:45] >> You know, the movie, I really love the
[01:39:47] way that it ends. Uh, spoiler alert, you
[01:39:49] know, they lose the football game, but
[01:39:51] their coach the entire time has been
[01:39:53] asking their team to be perfect. And the
[01:39:55] entire movie, that's been the struggle.
[01:39:57] Well, I'm trying to be perfect.
[01:39:59] >> But at the end, after they fail, the
[01:40:01] coach says, "If you left it all out on
[01:40:04] the field, you gave it your 100%."
[01:40:07] Then that's all I asked you to do, and
[01:40:10] that is perfection. So if we give them
[01:40:12] every single inch we've got, give them
[01:40:14] the whole nine yards worth of
[01:40:16] ammunition,
[01:40:17] then we will have fulfilled the task
[01:40:20] upon our hearts and we will have made
[01:40:21] our founding fathers proud. And if this
[01:40:24] country will fail, it is not on us
[01:40:27] because we will have the pride and the
[01:40:29] joy and integrity to look our kids in
[01:40:32] the eye when they look at us and say,
[01:40:33] "Dad, what went wrong?
[01:40:35] What did you do to try to save the
[01:40:37] country?"
[01:40:38] >> We'll be able to give them a really good
[01:40:39] story.
[01:40:41] Well, I I was thinking about that that
[01:40:44] very statement. It's like people are so
[01:40:46] afraid of of death and dying and we're
[01:40:49] we're all going to die eventually. I
[01:40:52] don't know if like I asked you if people
[01:40:54] you think people are conscious of that
[01:40:55] and you answered you said people are
[01:40:57] yes, they're watching porn and drinking
[01:40:59] and distracting because they're
[01:41:00] conscious of that. I didn't expect that
[01:41:02] answer
[01:41:03] >> but I think one day we're all gonna have
[01:41:05] to answer. We're all being close to
[01:41:07] death. And
[01:41:08] >> yeah, I got a piece of advice on my
[01:41:10] second deployment, which is that if your
[01:41:13] life is a book, it's up to you to make
[01:41:16] it a bestseller. And arguably the best
[01:41:19] chapter of any story is how the hero
[01:41:22] dies. And so our responsibility is to be
[01:41:25] remembered as men. Like the pep talk
[01:41:28] that Maximus, Desmos, Meridius gets in
[01:41:30] the gladiator. Be remembered as men. No
[01:41:33] matter what happens, die with your boots
[01:41:35] on and be remembered as men. That's what
[01:41:38] our founding fathers did. That's what
[01:41:40] Jesus Christ did. And that's what I know
[01:41:42] you and I will do. And if we will, many
[01:41:44] others will follow us. And we will save
[01:41:46] this country. And because of our work, I
[01:41:48] think we're going to see the American
[01:41:50] Renaissance. And maybe we'll save that
[01:41:52] for part two.
[01:41:54] >> It's certainly up to us.
[01:41:57] We'll save that for part two. I think I
[01:41:59] mean Sultan Eaton says, "Do not lie.
[01:42:02] live not by lies. So, at the very least,
[01:42:04] don't lie. What you're talking about is
[01:42:07] a different level of activity, but at
[01:42:09] the very least, don't lie.
[01:42:11] >> True.
[01:42:12] >> Just don't lie.
[01:42:13] >> Yeah. Because otherwise, you're either
[01:42:15] fake or gay.
[01:42:16] >> Well, you're fake and gay. Well, listen.
[01:42:18] I can tolerate a little homosexuality.
[01:42:21] I've got some friends who happen to be
[01:42:24] gay,
[01:42:24] >> but you're not.
[01:42:25] >> I won't. No, I'm not. But we all don't
[01:42:28] you know any have a friend who happens
[01:42:29] to be gay? Sure.
[01:42:31] >> It's out there.
[01:42:32] >> But the complaint that's on your wall is
[01:42:33] like, "He's not even gay. Don't go on
[01:42:34] dates with this guy.
[01:42:35] >> Don't the gays love me cuz I got that
[01:42:38] top energy."
[01:42:39] >> Yeah.
[01:42:39] >> Okay. But you got some gayness over
[01:42:42] here. Fine. You got some fakeness over
[01:42:44] there. Okay. Well, that's, you know,
[01:42:46] >> to tolerate some phoniness in social
[01:42:48] settings. Sure.
[01:42:49] >> Especially here in Palm Beach Island.
[01:42:51] That's for damn sure.
[01:42:52] >> But when you combined fake and gay
[01:42:56] together, we got a problem, fellas.
[01:42:58] >> Sure. We got a situation when you have
[01:43:02] homosexuality and phoniness combined.
[01:43:04] And by the way, a lot of the guys in DC,
[01:43:06] we know how that works.
[01:43:08] >> But listen, on a serious note, I think
[01:43:11] >> I I think just don't lie.
[01:43:14] >> Yeah.
[01:43:14] >> Is is one. But hey, it's great to to
[01:43:17] meet you again. I hope to have you back.
[01:43:19] >> Thank you.
[01:43:19] >> Good luck to you.
[01:43:20] >> Pleasure.
[01:43:21] >> Pleasure. Thanks for being here. Thanks
[01:43:23] for joining all of you for this edition,
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