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[00:00:00] family curse. Everyone said I wouldn't
[00:00:02] make it. Spoiler alert. Man, what are
[00:00:04] you so afraid of? Isn't that what life
[00:00:07] is made of? When you think about all you
[00:00:09] gave up, when you think about all the
[00:00:11] language and the [ __ ] that they sold
[00:00:14] you when the tear drops hit your
[00:00:16] ceiling, will you see a human being?
[00:00:18] Will you open your eyes avoid the pain?
[00:00:21] Cuz why are you so afraid? And what are
[00:00:23] you so afraid? And what are you so
[00:00:26] afraid? And why are you so afraid?
[00:00:30] What are you so afraid? What are you so
[00:00:32] afraid? And what are you so afraid? And
[00:00:36] what are you so afraid?
[00:00:39] >> So what's holding you back? Fear. It's
[00:00:42] irrational. What are we actually afraid
[00:00:45] of? Especially Christians, you talk
[00:00:47] about eternal life and they're worried
[00:00:48] about losing their stuff and their
[00:00:50] money. I don't get that at all
[00:00:54] because you don't take any of that stuff
[00:00:55] with you when you die. None of it.
[00:01:09] This morning when I woke I couldn't stop
[00:01:11] hearing tear drops on my ceiling falling
[00:01:14] from the eyes of the beautiful angel I
[00:01:17] had slaughtered. Hold me ignoring what
[00:01:19] you told me only for a moment.
[00:01:23] Everything is fine in the beautiful
[00:01:24] golden path. Unfolding anger in response
[00:01:27] to my emotion. All the trauma left
[00:01:30] unopened. Throw it all away and fly
[00:01:33] inside. Get high. Good times. I'm
[00:01:35] reeling from the raindrops on the
[00:01:37] ceiling. From your heart, this is
[00:01:39] revealing. You want to get away. You're
[00:01:41] bored into my afraid of. Isn't that what
[00:01:45] life is made of? When you think about
[00:01:47] all you gave up. When you think about
[00:01:49] all the glamour and the money that they
[00:01:52] sold you when the raindrops hit your
[00:01:54] ceiling. Will you see a heal with being?
[00:01:57] Will you open your eyes and the things
[00:01:59] this is revealing? I survive what they
[00:02:01] sent to destroy me. Resurrected like a
[00:02:04] biblical story. They thought that it was
[00:02:06] the old me, but it ain't the old me,
[00:02:08] it's the bold me. I survive what they
[00:02:10] sent to destroy me. Resurrected like a
[00:02:12] biblical story. They thought that it was
[00:02:14] the old me, but it ain't the old me,
[00:02:17] it's the bold me. Huh? Yeah. I'm looking
[00:02:19] dangerous now. Yeah, they looking
[00:02:21] anxious now. Yeah, look at their faces
[00:02:24] now. Yeah, how did they make it out?
[00:02:27] Yeah, I had to break it. I'm talking
[00:02:29] that family curse. Everyone said I
[00:02:32] wouldn't make it. Spoiler alert, man.
[00:02:34] What are you so afraid of? Isn't that
[00:02:36] what life is made of? When you think
[00:02:38] about all you gave up. When you think
[00:02:40] about all the language and the [ __ ]
[00:02:43] that they sold you. When the tear drops
[00:02:45] hit your ceiling. We see a human being.
[00:02:48] Will you open your eyes aboard the pain?
[00:02:50] Girl, why are you so afraid? And why are
[00:02:53] you so afraid? And why are you so
[00:02:56] afraid? And why are you so afraid? Why
[00:02:59] are you so afraid? And what are you so
[00:03:02] afraid? And what are you so afraid? And
[00:03:06] why are you so afraid?
[00:03:09] So what's holding you back? Fear. It's
[00:03:11] irrational. What are we actually afraid
[00:03:15] of? Especially Christians, you talk
[00:03:17] about eternal life and they're worried
[00:03:18] about losing their stuff and their
[00:03:20] money. I don't get that at all
[00:03:23] because you don't take any of that stuff
[00:03:25] with you when you die. None of it.
[00:03:38] This morning when I woke I couldn't stop
[00:03:41] hearing tear drops on my ceiling falling
[00:03:44] from the eyes of the beautiful angel I
[00:03:46] had slaughtered. Hold me ignoring what
[00:03:49] you told me only for a moment.
[00:03:52] Everything is fine in the beautiful
[00:03:54] golden path unfolding anger in response
[00:03:57] to my emotion. All the trauma left
[00:04:00] unopen. Throw it all away and fly
[00:04:02] inside. Good times I'm reeling from the
[00:04:05] raindrops on the ceiling from your
[00:04:08] heart. This is revealing. You want to
[00:04:10] get away. You're born into my own afraid
[00:04:13] of. Isn't that what life is made of?
[00:04:16] When you think about all you gave up.
[00:04:18] When you think about all the glamour and
[00:04:20] the money that they sold you. When the
[00:04:23] raindrops hit your ceiling. Will you see
[00:04:25] a human being? Will you open your eyes
[00:04:28] or the things this is revealing? I
[00:04:30] survived what they sent to destroy me.
[00:04:32] Resurrected like a biblical story. They
[00:04:35] thought that it was the old me, but it
[00:04:37] ain't the old me, it's the bold me. I
[00:04:39] survived what they sent to the stormy
[00:04:40] me. Resurrected like a biblical story.
[00:04:43] They thought that it was the old me. But
[00:04:45] it ain't the old me, it's the bold me.
[00:04:47] Huh? Yeah, I'm looking dangerous now.
[00:04:50] Yeah, they looking anxious now. Yeah,
[00:04:52] look at their faces now. Yeah, how did
[00:04:55] they make it out? Yeah, I had to break
[00:04:58] it. I'm talking that family curse.
[00:05:00] Everyone said I wouldn't make it.
[00:05:02] Spoiler alert,
[00:05:03] >> man. What are you so afraid of? Isn't
[00:05:05] that what life is made of? When you
[00:05:08] think about all you gave up when you
[00:05:10] think about all the language and the
[00:05:12] [ __ ] that they sold you. When the
[00:05:14] tear drops hit your ceiling, will you
[00:05:16] see a human being? Will you open your
[00:05:19] eyes and avoid the pain? Cuz why are you
[00:05:21] so afraid? What are you so afraid? And
[00:05:25] what are you so afraid? And why are you
[00:05:27] so afraid? Why are you so afraid? And
[00:05:31] what are you so afraid? And why are you
[00:05:34] so afraid? And why are you so afraid?
[00:05:39] >> So what's holding you back? Fear. It's
[00:05:41] irrational. What are we actually afraid
[00:05:44] of? Especially Christians. You talk
[00:05:47] about eternal life. And they're worried
[00:05:48] about losing their stuff and their
[00:05:50] money. I don't get that at all
[00:05:53] because you don't take any of that stuff
[00:05:55] with you when you die. None of it.
[00:06:08] This morning when I woke I couldn't stop
[00:06:10] hearing tear drops on my ceiling falling
[00:06:14] from the eyes of the beautiful angel I
[00:06:16] had slaughtered. Hold me ignoring what
[00:06:19] you told me only for a moment.
[00:06:22] Everything is fine and the beautiful
[00:06:24] golden path unfold and anger in response
[00:06:27] to my emotion. All the trauma left
[00:06:30] unopen. Throw it all away and fly
[00:06:32] inside. Get high. Good times. I'm
[00:06:34] reeling from the raindrops on the
[00:06:36] ceiling. From your heart, this is
[00:06:38] revealing. You want to get away. You're
[00:06:40] bored into my afraid of. Isn't that what
[00:06:44] life is made of? When you think about
[00:06:46] all you gave up. When you think about
[00:06:48] all the glamour and the money that they
[00:06:51] sold you. When the raindrops hit your
[00:06:53] ceiling, will you see or heal with
[00:06:56] being? Will you open your eyes or avoid
[00:06:58] the things this is revealing? I survive
[00:07:00] what they sent to destroy me.
[00:07:02] Resurrected like a biblical story. They
[00:07:04] thought that it was the old me, but it
[00:07:06] ain't the old me, it's the bold me. I
[00:07:08] survive what they sent to destroy me.
[00:07:10] Resurrected like a biblical story. They
[00:07:13] thought that it was the old me, but it
[00:07:15] ain't the old me, it's the bold me. Huh?
[00:07:17] Yeah. I'm looking dangerous now. Yeah,
[00:07:20] they looking anxious now. Yeah, look at
[00:07:23] they faces now. Yeah, how did they make
[00:07:25] it out? Yeah, I had to break it. I'm
[00:07:28] talking that family curse. Everyone said
[00:07:31] I wouldn't make it. Spoiler alert. Man,
[00:07:33] what are you so afraid of? Isn't that
[00:07:35] what life is made of? When you think
[00:07:37] about all you gave up, when you think
[00:07:40] about all the language and the [ __ ]
[00:07:42] that they sold you, when the tear drops
[00:07:44] hit your ceiling, will you see a human
[00:07:47] being? Will you open your eyes aboard
[00:07:49] the pain? Cuz why are you so afraid? And
[00:07:52] why are you so afraid? And why are you
[00:07:55] so afraid? And why are you so afraid?
[00:07:58] And why are you so afraid? And why are
[00:08:01] you so afraid? And why are you so
[00:08:04] afraid? And what are you so afraid?
[00:08:09] >> So what's holding you back? Fear. It's
[00:08:11] irrational. What are we actually afraid
[00:08:14] of? Especially Christians, you talk
[00:08:16] about eternal life and they're worried
[00:08:18] about losing their stuff and their
[00:08:19] money. I don't get that at all
[00:08:23] because you don't take any of that stuff
[00:08:24] with you when you die. None of it.
[00:08:38] This morning when I woke, I couldn't
[00:08:40] stop hearing tear drops on my ceiling
[00:08:43] falling from the eyes of the beautiful
[00:08:45] angel I had slaughtered. Hold me,
[00:08:48] ignoring what you told me.
[00:08:50] Only for a moment. Everything is fine in
[00:08:53] the beautiful golden path. Unfolding
[00:08:55] anger in response to my emotion. All the
[00:08:58] trauma left unopen. Throw it with all
[00:09:01] away and fly inside. Get high. Good
[00:09:03] times. I'm reeling from the raindrops on
[00:09:06] the ceiling from your heart. This is
[00:09:08] revealing. You want to get away. You're
[00:09:10] born into my
[00:09:13] isn't that what life is made of. When
[00:09:15] you think about all you gave up. When
[00:09:18] you think about all the glamour and the
[00:09:20] money that they sold you when the
[00:09:22] raindrops hit your ceiling. Will you see
[00:09:24] a human being? Will you open your eyes
[00:09:27] or the things this is revealing? I
[00:09:30] survive what they sent to destroy me.
[00:09:32] Resurrected like a biblical story. They
[00:09:34] thought that it was the old me, but it
[00:09:36] ain't the old me, it's the old me. I
[00:09:38] survive what they sent to destroy me.
[00:09:40] Resurrected like a biblical story. They
[00:09:43] thought that it was the old me, but it
[00:09:45] ain't the old me, it's the bold me. Huh?
[00:09:47] Yeah. I'm looking dangerous now. Yeah,
[00:09:50] they looking anxious now. Yeah, look at
[00:09:52] they faces now. Yeah, how did they make
[00:09:55] it out? Yeah, I had to break it. I'm
[00:09:58] talking that family curse. Everyone said
[00:10:00] I wouldn't make it. Spoiler alert,
[00:10:02] >> man. What are you so afraid of? Isn't
[00:10:05] that what life is made of? When you
[00:10:07] think about all you gave up, when you
[00:10:09] think about all the language and the
[00:10:11] [ __ ] that they sold you. When the
[00:10:13] tear drops hit your ceiling, will you
[00:10:16] see a human being? Will you open your
[00:10:18] eyes aboard the pain? Cuz why are you so
[00:10:21] afraid? Why are you so afraid? And why
[00:10:24] are you so afraid? And why are you so
[00:10:27] afraid? Why are you so afraid? And what
[00:10:31] are you so afraid? And what are you so
[00:10:34] afraid? And why are you so afraid?
[00:10:38] >> So what's holding you back? Fear. It's
[00:10:41] irrational. What are we actually afraid
[00:10:44] of? Especially Christians, you talk
[00:10:46] about eternal life and they're worried
[00:10:47] about losing their stuff and their
[00:10:49] money. I don't get that at all
[00:10:53] because you don't take any of that stuff
[00:10:54] with you when you die. None of it.
[00:11:00] [Music]
[00:11:03] Hello everyone and welcome back to the
[00:11:05] price is my life. We are about to show
[00:11:08] the video of us confronting me. if we
[00:11:10] could throw it on the screen there. This
[00:11:12] is the image of me in the parking lot in
[00:11:16] Maryland, uh, Fredericksville, Maryland.
[00:11:19] This is Melain Cromwell, also known as
[00:11:21] Meline AC Richards, who told us she gave
[00:11:25] us a comment via email. We're going to
[00:11:27] play that that video. It's about 15
[00:11:28] minutes long. We're going to play that
[00:11:29] in a minute. But first, we have a
[00:11:31] statement from the Treasury Secretary, a
[00:11:34] a statement from Scott Bessett, and I'm
[00:11:38] going to read it to you. The US
[00:11:39] Department of the Treasury and its
[00:11:40] related agencies today announced the
[00:11:42] immediate suspension of all contracts
[00:11:44] and task orders with ATI government
[00:11:46] solutions pending an investigation into
[00:11:49] allegations which covers approximately
[00:11:51] 253 million in Treasury administrative
[00:11:53] contract value. Taxpayer dollars must be
[00:11:56] protected. We will not tolerate schemes
[00:11:58] that try to gain small business
[00:11:59] programs.
[00:12:02] Kelly Laughler, that's the head of the
[00:12:04] SBA, has my full support to get to the
[00:12:05] bottom of any abuse of the ADA program.
[00:12:08] United States Treasury will cooperate
[00:12:10] fully with the SBA, Inspectors General,
[00:12:11] and Enforcement Partners to safeguard
[00:12:13] the integrity of federal contracting.
[00:12:15] And we'll refer this matter to the
[00:12:16] Department of Justice back to me. So, I
[00:12:20] do want to take a minute that I'm I've
[00:12:21] never seen such a fast response from the
[00:12:25] United States federal government to my
[00:12:27] investigations since 2009 when we did
[00:12:30] the Acorn story with the Pimp and Hooker
[00:12:33] where they defunded Acorn. But but
[00:12:34] actually I got to give credit to Pam
[00:12:36] Bondi here. Um the attorney general of
[00:12:39] the United States seems to be taking
[00:12:40] action and we are very grateful uh that
[00:12:44] the Department of Justice is launching
[00:12:46] an investigation. I'm I'm actually
[00:12:47] pleasantly surprised and this is pretty
[00:12:50] exciting. So we have a response from the
[00:12:54] United States Treasury. We have a
[00:12:55] response from Kelly Laughler
[00:12:57] and we are going to show you this
[00:13:00] unbelievable interaction with the ATI
[00:13:02] official. The call-in live number is
[00:13:04] below for people who want to be a
[00:13:06] whistleblower.
[00:13:07] 8647139868.
[00:13:10] If you can call in and you yourself have
[00:13:12] seen this 8A subcontracting fraud. We
[00:13:14] received hundreds of messages from
[00:13:17] people. We're going to be working with
[00:13:18] Senator Grassley's office to get these
[00:13:20] whistleblowers whistleblower protection.
[00:13:24] But we're going to get to this
[00:13:26] confrontation with Malay in Maryland.
[00:13:29] But first, a word from our sponsors at
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[00:13:36] get to the good stuff. Melain Cromwell
[00:13:38] in Maryland. You're you're not going to
[00:13:40] believe this conversation I had with
[00:13:42] her.
[00:13:44] Unbelievable. And um she said it was
[00:13:47] just her opinion. Just my opinion. And I
[00:13:50] said, "Well, what about all the facts
[00:13:51] and data?" And she like paused for like
[00:13:54] uh one full, you know, 30 seconds. She
[00:13:58] was pausing and not talking to me uh
[00:14:00] because I caught her in this incredible
[00:14:02] moment. We were in a parking lot in
[00:14:04] Maryland. ATI's headquartered in
[00:14:06] Fredericksburgville, Maryland. The
[00:14:08] undercover meeting was in Virginia when
[00:14:11] we recorded her. So, we're going to be
[00:14:14] showing that and talking about what's
[00:14:18] next.
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[00:15:39] All right. So, let's load up the
[00:15:41] interaction with Meline Cromwell from
[00:15:43] ATI in the parking lot in Maryland.
[00:15:46] Let's get that in the video for the
[00:15:47] audience.
[00:15:51] My name is James O'Keefe. I'm an invest
[00:15:55] >> I'm an investigative reporter.
[00:15:56] >> Sir, have them turn off your cameras.
[00:15:58] I'm going to get in the car and go.
[00:15:59] >> Okay. We're talking about hundreds of
[00:16:01] millions of dollars of abuse of taxpayer
[00:16:03] dollars. It would be unethical for me
[00:16:06] not to go undercover and expose this
[00:16:08] filth, this smut, this disgusting
[00:16:11] illegal behavior.
[00:16:12] >> Ratings, and I agree with you.
[00:16:13] >> No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no.
[00:16:15] It's about hundreds of millions of
[00:16:17] dollars of taxpayer cash that is being
[00:16:19] stolen from the American people.
[00:16:21] >> You're absolutely right.
[00:16:22] >> This is not about ratings, ma'am.
[00:16:23] >> You're absolutely right.
[00:16:24] >> And my question for you is, why didn't
[00:16:27] you bring up that this is illegal?
[00:16:40] My name is James O'Keefe.
[00:16:44] >> Turn that off.
[00:16:51] >> So with Main is the Do we have the
[00:16:53] clips? Where are they?
[00:16:55] >> Yeah.
[00:16:56] >> Sit back and collect my percentage. Is
[00:16:57] that in that clip you sent me?
[00:17:00] >> Yeah.
[00:17:02] that my percentage of your day.
[00:17:05] >> They do the majority of it.
[00:17:07] >> So, we we do about 20% of the
[00:17:09] >> We take off the wig kind of a thing.
[00:17:12] >> Yeah.
[00:17:12] >> Be a little discreet. Come on in. Bring
[00:17:14] it in a little bit.
[00:17:17] >> This is how we do it at OMG. We're
[00:17:19] undercover at the Epstein protest. We're
[00:17:21] in the depositions during the day in
[00:17:24] federal court with the FBI agents. And
[00:17:26] now we're going in disguise, changing
[00:17:29] pants in the back of parking lot. This
[00:17:31] is what This is a day in the life of
[00:17:34] James O'Keeffe.
[00:17:39] Okay, let me see.
[00:17:42] Okay.
[00:17:49] Wait, wait. Oh,
[00:17:52] >> hello.
[00:17:54] >> Hi there.
[00:17:54] >> How are you? So, we have some news for
[00:17:56] you here. Okay. Okay.
[00:17:58] >> So, we are actually um we're actually
[00:18:01] investigative reporters.
[00:18:03] >> Yeah.
[00:18:04] >> We're investigative reporters.
[00:18:05] >> Are you serious?
[00:18:06] >> And we've done an undercover
[00:18:07] investigation on ATI.
[00:18:09] >> Mhm.
[00:18:10] >> We're not actually here to buy catering
[00:18:13] from you.
[00:18:13] >> Okay.
[00:18:14] >> Um my name is James O'Keefe.
[00:18:17] >> I'm an investig
[00:18:18] >> I'm an investigative reporter and you
[00:18:20] you're on video. Sir, have them turn off
[00:18:23] your cameras or I'm going to get in the
[00:18:24] car and go.
[00:18:25] >> Okay.
[00:18:32] >> Now that we have the cameras rolling,
[00:18:33] I'd love to show you some of these this
[00:18:35] footage.
[00:18:36] >> So, we we do about 20% of the work.
[00:18:38] >> So, at 20% and the subcontractors do
[00:18:42] like 80% of the work.
[00:18:43] >> 80% of the
[00:18:44] >> I can say in my opinion that the
[00:18:47] contracts that I feel
[00:18:49] >> for a minute. So before we get to the
[00:18:52] rest of this interaction, for those of
[00:18:53] you tuning in live, um this was done in
[00:18:56] a parking lot. You're seeing this for
[00:18:57] the first time, uh this is a live show.
[00:19:00] We're airing this on the show, but I
[00:19:02] just wanted to say that this Main
[00:19:04] Cromwell individual, when I confronted
[00:19:05] her, what was interesting about this is
[00:19:07] that she she kept on saying, "Turn the
[00:19:08] cameras off. Turn the cameras off." And
[00:19:10] we had a conversation with her about
[00:19:12] some things that she wanted to talk
[00:19:14] about. We turned the cameras off as
[00:19:16] instructed because it's Maryland. And
[00:19:18] then we turned the cameras back on when
[00:19:19] she allowed us to. But you know what's
[00:19:22] interesting about confronting these
[00:19:23] people is um and I and I have this book
[00:19:26] about these sorts of situations uh that
[00:19:29] every journalist is a kind of confidence
[00:19:31] man and the catastrophe suffered by
[00:19:34] Meline Cromwell here is no simple
[00:19:37] matter. Um and she is in shock that she
[00:19:41] has been caught and she is realizing the
[00:19:45] error of her ways and she has to face
[00:19:47] this fact that the uh the journalist us
[00:19:51] me who seemed so friendly and
[00:19:53] sympathetic so keen to understand her
[00:19:56] and do business with her with her
[00:19:58] catering company. so remarkably attuned
[00:20:00] to her vision of things, never had the
[00:20:02] slightest intention of buying her
[00:20:04] catering or telling her story, but
[00:20:06] always telling a story of her own. And
[00:20:09] the disparity between what seems to be
[00:20:10] the intention of the interview, as it is
[00:20:13] taking place, and what actually turns
[00:20:14] out to have been comes as a shock to her
[00:20:19] from a book called The Journalist and
[00:20:20] the Murder. Let's keep playing it.
[00:20:25] bills were signed. Felt like we weren't
[00:20:28] doing 51% of the work and I never
[00:20:30] >> What were you doing? Less than 51%
[00:20:32] >> in my opinion. Yes.
[00:20:33] >> Well, 20 is a lot less than 51.
[00:20:35] >> That that I felt like we I was saying
[00:20:36] that in a general context.
[00:20:38] >> This is juicy gossip. I love it.
[00:20:41] >> This is fact. This is not gossip.
[00:20:44] >> So you do 20% and subcontract 80% 80%.
[00:20:49] >> That's all my opinion,
[00:20:50] >> right? I don't know if we want to share.
[00:20:52] They do all the work. No.
[00:20:54] >> Why were you whispering?
[00:20:55] >> Because it's illegal
[00:20:58] opinion. That seems to be her her um
[00:21:03] retort here. That's her that's her way
[00:21:05] out of it. It's just my opinion. It's
[00:21:07] just my opinion. But she keeps on giving
[00:21:10] specific data, specific numbers. At one
[00:21:12] point, she even says to us in the
[00:21:14] undercover encounter, "This is not
[00:21:16] gossip. This is facts." I think we have
[00:21:17] that bite. Keep playing
[00:21:19] >> to do less than 51%. I'm affirming that
[00:21:22] we don't want people to know this cuz
[00:21:24] it's illegal. And you emphatically
[00:21:26] respond, "No, we don't want to share
[00:21:28] it."
[00:21:28] >> No. No.
[00:21:29] >> Oh, okay. What?
[00:21:30] >> You're whispering. Yeah.
[00:21:31] >> You don't want people to know this.
[00:21:32] Yeah.
[00:21:33] >> I would assume firmage wouldn't want
[00:21:34] people to know that if that in fact were
[00:21:36] the case.
[00:21:37] >> Was there some rules or something that
[00:21:39] you were telling me about? Like you you
[00:21:40] have to report 51%
[00:21:42] >> 51%
[00:21:43] >> on paper. Correct.
[00:21:44] >> Right.
[00:21:45] >> 51% on paper. Is that
[00:21:47] >> Is that your opinion
[00:21:48] >> of of when you're doing um set set
[00:21:51] aside?
[00:21:51] >> Correct.
[00:21:52] >> Uh yes, you have to be doing set during
[00:21:54] the work.
[00:21:55] >> Is that your opinion or is that a fact?
[00:21:56] >> No, that's a fact.
[00:21:57] >> Okay, perfect. But now you
[00:21:59] >> Right. Exactly.
[00:22:00] >> Exactly.
[00:22:01] >> Y as long as it's on paper.
[00:22:03] >> As long as it's on paper.
[00:22:04] >> 51%. You're good to go.
[00:22:06] >> You know. Exactly. You seem to
[00:22:09] acknowledge
[00:22:10] >> that sometimes in reality is different
[00:22:14] than what's on paper. Okay.
[00:22:16] >> You seem to acknowledge that. I'm sorry.
[00:22:19] >> That's what you felt when
[00:22:20] >> I'm I'm quoting you. I'm showing you.
[00:22:22] Watch.
[00:22:24] >> But you're saying, but in reality, what
[00:22:26] does that mean to me?
[00:22:27] >> As long as it's on paper%,
[00:22:29] >> you're good to go.
[00:22:30] >> Because on paper, it's 51%.
[00:22:33] >> But in reality, you had said 20%.
[00:22:36] >> So, we we do about 20% of the work.
[00:22:39] >> So, ATI do 20% and those subcontractors
[00:22:42] do like 80% of the work.
[00:22:43] >> 80% of the work. Wow. I I feel like we
[00:22:45] were talking in general there. Okay. I
[00:22:47] don't know that I was speaking
[00:22:48] specifically for ATI.
[00:22:50] >> Mhm.
[00:22:52] >> I feel like I was talking in general.
[00:22:54] That was just my opinion. You know, it's
[00:22:56] remarkable with these people. They never
[00:22:58] they never seem to actually just say,
[00:23:01] "You got me." They never They never
[00:23:04] actually say, "You know what? I lied."
[00:23:06] Now, remember Member who Melain Cromwell
[00:23:09] is. This is no low-level person. her f
[00:23:13] she's from a military family. Her
[00:23:15] parents FBI officials. This is a highly
[00:23:18] sophisticated individual. Keep going.
[00:23:20] >> But yes, on paper because it's a
[00:23:22] contract. If you have to be doing 50%
[00:23:25] 51% of the work for it to be to be
[00:23:28] awarded a set aside,
[00:23:29] >> even though it's 20% here,
[00:23:32] >> do the majority of it.
[00:23:33] >> So we we do about 20% of the work. So
[00:23:36] >> yeah, that's my opinion. We Yeah, this
[00:23:38] is fact. It's not this not gossip.
[00:23:43] So,
[00:23:44] so now she's just saying it's her
[00:23:47] opinion.
[00:23:48] It's almost like this individual is kind
[00:23:50] of trying to like try to set us up for a
[00:23:52] lawsuit or something like that. Very,
[00:23:54] very interesting response. Keep going.
[00:23:56] >> That's my opinion.
[00:23:57] >> It's interesting how it conveniently
[00:23:59] becomes your opinion when it's illegal.
[00:24:01] >> Conveniently. Okay. No, because I was
[00:24:03] never involved in any contract major
[00:24:06] meetings that they had where contracts
[00:24:07] were already executed. So, so anyway, so
[00:24:10] you are you familiar with the case of
[00:24:12] this Supreme Court case versus the
[00:24:14] United States falsely claiming
[00:24:15] compliance with disadvantages business
[00:24:17] enterprise requirements. Basically, what
[00:24:19] it means is that this 51% thing is very
[00:24:21] serious and you know there could be an
[00:24:23] indictment here.
[00:24:24] >> Yeah.
[00:24:24] >> Are you aware that Fermage Crutchfield
[00:24:26] or ATI was doing anything illegal?
[00:24:28] >> I can't say that I was aware of it. Um,
[00:24:31] I can say that when they had uh
[00:24:34] meetings, any meetings for that matter
[00:24:37] regarding contracts on a high level,
[00:24:39] lower level, whatever, I was hired as
[00:24:41] their contracts manager. I was never
[00:24:43] involved in any of those meetings.
[00:24:45] >> And that that chief financial officer
[00:24:47] being married to the
[00:24:49] >> I don't know if they're married yet.
[00:24:50] >> They're engaged.
[00:24:51] >> Engaged.
[00:24:53] >> And she says, "Melena, you don't know
[00:24:54] this, but
[00:24:56] I are engaged." I was like like, "Oh,
[00:24:59] congratulations." Right.
[00:25:00] >> If you're married to the CFO,
[00:25:03] >> my manager,
[00:25:05] >> who do I come to if I'm having
[00:25:07] difficulties with the C CEO, getting
[00:25:09] information from the CEO, but that's
[00:25:11] your soon to be h h h h h h h h h h h h
[00:25:12] h h h h h h h h husband or wife. How can
[00:25:13] I really get true help with anything
[00:25:16] that that I may want to bring to the
[00:25:19] organization's attention
[00:25:21] >> if my management change? So, so this is
[00:25:23] the the CEO of ATI, man Fermage
[00:25:27] Crutchfield,
[00:25:28] who is apparently engaged to the chief
[00:25:32] financial officer. I'm going to call the
[00:25:35] CEO again. His name is Fermage
[00:25:37] Crutchfield.
[00:25:38] I'm going to call him on the air. See if
[00:25:40] he picks up the phone.
[00:25:45] We're calling live for comment.
[00:25:52] You never know if they pick up the
[00:25:54] phone.
[00:25:56] This is the CEO of ATI.
[00:26:03] >> We get a voicemail.
[00:26:04] >> You've reached the desk of Ferman
[00:26:06] Crushfield, chief executive officer of
[00:26:08] ATI government solutions. That's what he
[00:26:10] sounds like. Services Incorporated.
[00:26:12] >> Oh,
[00:26:13] >> please leave a message at the tone.
[00:26:15] >> I think I'll do that.
[00:26:17] >> Hi, Firmish. This is James O'Keefe. Um,
[00:26:20] we're live on the air and the your ATI
[00:26:24] government solutions director of
[00:26:25] contracts, Melain Cromwell, is talking
[00:26:27] about challenges that you're sleeping
[00:26:29] with the chief financial officer of your
[00:26:31] firm and um she's saying that the
[00:26:34] organization she can't bring these
[00:26:35] issues to your attention because your
[00:26:38] management chain is married looking for
[00:26:40] your reaction and comment on this sir.
[00:26:42] Also, the Treasury Secretary Scott
[00:26:44] Bessant uh Mr. Firmage Crutchfield is
[00:26:47] saying that he suspended the $253
[00:26:49] million contracts with your company.
[00:26:52] Would love your comment. Be a hero. Be
[00:26:56] brave. Step forward and blow the whistle
[00:26:58] on this aday fraud. The American people,
[00:27:01] we need people to be brave and this is
[00:27:02] an opportunity for you to be a hero.
[00:27:04] Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you.
[00:27:06] See, maybe if Crutchfield can be brave,
[00:27:09] be a whistleblower. How about that?
[00:27:12] Which path the which path shall he take?
[00:27:16] The road the road is in the yellow wood
[00:27:18] to quote Robert Frost. Will he take the
[00:27:20] road less traveled? I don't think so,
[00:27:24] but we'll see. Let's keep playing the
[00:27:25] Main Croml interaction.
[00:27:27] >> Very, that's hard.
[00:27:28] >> What I'll implore you to do, what you
[00:27:30] you stated before the cameras roll is
[00:27:33] you spoke to other employees to
[00:27:35] >> they don't know they were on camera. So,
[00:27:37] so the thing about journalism is whether
[00:27:39] it's 1, two, 5, 10, 30 people, it's
[00:27:41] about the truth.
[00:27:43] >> My job is to get to the truth. We felt
[00:27:45] since you brought it up repeatedly that
[00:27:46] the only way for us to get to this truth
[00:27:48] was to do this the way that we did
[00:27:50] >> since I brought one up repeatedly.
[00:27:52] >> Why you coming out with cameras and
[00:27:55] we
[00:27:55] >> or honey than vinegar is what you said.
[00:27:56] >> You guys played You get more beans with
[00:27:58] honey, right? But you guys played it up.
[00:28:01] Made me waste my time and give you a
[00:28:06] Honey,
[00:28:08] I mean, what does that mean?
[00:28:12] I'm not. She said, "You guys come up
[00:28:13] here with a wig. Why do you need the
[00:28:15] wig?"
[00:28:17] By the way, the call-in number is
[00:28:18] 8647139868.
[00:28:21] We want to hear from people who've
[00:28:22] actually seen the the fraud. We have a
[00:28:24] lot of whistleblowers we're talking to.
[00:28:25] Some of them don't want to talk on the
[00:28:26] air, but some of you can. I mean, you're
[00:28:29] witness to this, and we'd love to hear
[00:28:30] from you. There's our number. You can
[00:28:32] call into the show. We'll put you on the
[00:28:33] air to talk about this, but this this
[00:28:35] bees than honey thing, I I I heard that
[00:28:37] from Cromwell and I said, "Well, what
[00:28:39] are you going to do? You going to tell
[00:28:39] me about the fraud if I stick a
[00:28:41] microphone in your face? If I Nobody's
[00:28:43] willing to talk on the record there.
[00:28:45] Nobody's brave enough to do that." So, I
[00:28:47] kind of really came back at her pretty
[00:28:49] pretty aggressively when she when she
[00:28:52] tried to suggest that I could have just
[00:28:54] asked for her cooperation. Go play this
[00:28:58] part of the tape.
[00:28:59] >> Catering proposal. Is it a waste of the
[00:29:02] taxpayers's money? Don't go there. Don't
[00:29:04] go there. Don't do that.
[00:29:05] >> Twist my words.
[00:29:06] >> No, I'm asking you a question.
[00:29:07] >> Taxpayer, too. You got a rig in your
[00:29:09] hand. You're coming up. That That does
[00:29:11] nothing but upset people, right? If you
[00:29:13] want to get someone that's unethical, do
[00:29:15] what you're doing.
[00:29:16] >> Again, I'm I'm I'm
[00:29:18] think American people are pissed off
[00:29:21] about the fraud
[00:29:22] >> that you and I'm not saying that you're
[00:29:24] a bad person. You got your you got
[00:29:26] yourself caught up maybe with some bad
[00:29:28] people, but unfortunately we're talking
[00:29:31] about hundreds of millions of dollars of
[00:29:33] abuse of taxpayer dollars. And we're
[00:29:35] talking about a wig and a pair of
[00:29:36] glasses. Come on. It would be unethical
[00:29:40] for me not to go undercover and expose
[00:29:42] this filth, this smut, this disgusting
[00:29:45] illegal behavior.
[00:29:46] >> Ratings and I agree with you.
[00:29:47] >> No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's
[00:29:50] about hundreds of millions of dollars of
[00:29:51] taxpayer cash that is being stolen from
[00:29:54] the American people.
[00:29:55] >> You're absolutely right,
[00:29:56] >> sir. You're absolutely right. She says,
[00:29:58] "Whoa, now Cromwell's taking a different
[00:30:01] approach."
[00:30:03] >> Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[00:30:04] Firmage Crutchfield tried to call me
[00:30:05] back. The CEO The CEO just called me.
[00:30:10] This is the CEO of F This is the CEO of
[00:30:11] ATI just called my cell phone. I think
[00:30:13] he accidentally called me back. Oh,
[00:30:16] >> come on, Fermage. Come on. Come on.
[00:30:19] almost have him on the air. Maybe he'll
[00:30:21] be brave and be a whistleblower.
[00:30:24] >> All right, he accidentally. So, the
[00:30:26] question for you guys is Melain Cromwell
[00:30:28] a bad person?
[00:30:31] Hate the sinner. Hate the sin, not the
[00:30:33] sinner. Is she a villain? Is the
[00:30:36] question for the YouTube comments. I'm
[00:30:37] looking at the YouTube comments. Is she
[00:30:39] a villain?
[00:30:42] Um,
[00:30:45] let's keep playing. Sir, you're
[00:30:47] absolutely right. Go back. Go back about
[00:30:49] one minute and play this part again cuz
[00:30:51] I got pretty indignant. I got right
[00:30:53] righteously indignant when she was
[00:30:55] suggesting there was something wrong
[00:30:56] with using the disguise to expose this.
[00:30:58] Now play that again.
[00:31:00] >> Well, it's about the truth
[00:31:02] >> cuz my job is to get to the truth. We
[00:31:04] felt since you brought it up repeatedly
[00:31:06] that the only way for us to get to this
[00:31:07] truth was to do this the way that we did
[00:31:09] >> since I brought one up repeatedly.
[00:31:11] >> Why are you coming out with cameras and
[00:31:13] things we
[00:31:14] >> or honey than vinegar is what you said?
[00:31:16] You guys played you get more bees with
[00:31:18] honey, right? But you guys played it up,
[00:31:20] made me waste my time and give you a
[00:31:22] catering proposal.
[00:31:23] >> Is it a waste of the taxpayers's money?
[00:31:26] No, don't go there. Don't go there.
[00:31:27] Don't do that.
[00:31:28] >> Twist my words.
[00:31:29] >> No, I'm asking you a question.
[00:31:30] >> Taxpayer, too. You got a wig in your
[00:31:32] hand. You're coming up that that does
[00:31:34] nothing but upset people, right? If you
[00:31:36] want to get someone that's unethical, do
[00:31:38] what you're doing. Again, I'm I'm I'm
[00:31:40] I'm think American people are pissed off
[00:31:44] about the fraud
[00:31:45] >> that you and I'm not saying that you're
[00:31:47] a bad person. You got your you got
[00:31:49] yourself caught up maybe with some bad
[00:31:51] people, but unfortunately, we're talking
[00:31:54] about hundreds of millions of dollars of
[00:31:56] abuse of taxpayer dollars. And we're
[00:31:58] talking about a wig and a pair of
[00:31:59] glasses. Come on. It would be unethical
[00:32:03] for me not to go undercover and expose
[00:32:05] this filth, this smut, this disgusting
[00:32:08] illegal behavior.
[00:32:09] >> And I agree with you.
[00:32:10] >> No, no, no, no.
[00:32:12] >> And then she says, I got to do this for
[00:32:13] my ratings. This isn't this is this is a
[00:32:16] very fascinating individual. I don't
[00:32:18] think I've ever seen anything quite like
[00:32:19] this. Usually they assault me, call the
[00:32:21] police, run away. I mean, got to give
[00:32:23] her credit. She's talking to me.
[00:32:24] My my my analysis of this was it seems
[00:32:26] as though she was think she thinks she
[00:32:29] could manipulate me and and get
[00:32:32] something out of this. She knows she's
[00:32:34] caught. She's no she's not stupid. Now
[00:32:36] the comments I'm reading the comments
[00:32:38] overwhelmingly you guys think she's a
[00:32:40] bad person. Uh and she's doing bad
[00:32:44] things and she's a a pity play by a
[00:32:46] narcissist is what you're saying. Um
[00:32:49] people are saying she's afraid. She
[00:32:50] needs to be the whistleblower. People
[00:32:52] are upset. Uh, she's guilty AF.
[00:32:55] Narcissistic personality disorder.
[00:32:57] Deflection triangulation
[00:32:59] is what you are all saying. And you're
[00:33:02] concerned about my safety. I apologize.
[00:33:04] I have some congestion today. I will try
[00:33:06] to get the mic muted. It's We're Nothing
[00:33:10] stops nothing stops me from continuing
[00:33:12] this. I don't care how congested we are.
[00:33:14] We're going to keep going. I apologize
[00:33:15] for the for the blowing of the nose.
[00:33:17] Let's keep playing. She says, "You got
[00:33:18] to do this for your ratings." A crazy
[00:33:20] thing to say. Let's play that.
[00:33:23] >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's
[00:33:25] about hundreds of millions of dollars of
[00:33:26] taxpayer cash that is being stolen from
[00:33:29] the American people.
[00:33:30] >> You're absolutely right.
[00:33:31] >> This is not about ratings, ma'am.
[00:33:32] >> You're absolutely right.
[00:33:33] >> This this is this is called a mic. And
[00:33:36] the problem is if I go up to someone and
[00:33:37] be like, hey,
[00:33:38] >> what do you tell me about do you do? Do
[00:33:41] you break the law?
[00:33:42] >> No.
[00:33:42] >> They're they're not going to be like,
[00:33:43] yes, we only do half the work.
[00:33:45] >> Tell you, do you want my opinion on
[00:33:46] that?
[00:33:47] >> I don't want your opinion. I want the
[00:33:48] truth. The truth does matter. But if
[00:33:50] you're going to end up talking to an
[00:33:52] employee that loses a job the next day
[00:33:54] and now they're on the street, that's
[00:33:56] the hesitancy of normal.
[00:33:57] >> That's real talk. That's real pause.
[00:34:00] Pause.
[00:34:00] >> That's real talk.
[00:34:03] >> Cuz it's all about making money. It's
[00:34:04] all about giving people jobs, right?
[00:34:06] That's the interesting thing about this
[00:34:10] that we're just trying to give people
[00:34:11] jobs. This is all about giving people
[00:34:12] jobs. They're going to be on the street
[00:34:14] the next day.
[00:34:16] Um,
[00:34:18] what what is this? What is this po point
[00:34:20] of this welfare? This this this hundreds
[00:34:23] of millions of dollars that goes to
[00:34:25] Accenture and and McKenzie, this $253
[00:34:28] million contract to ATI,
[00:34:31] people are going to be on the street. I
[00:34:32] don't quote. I don't have to worry about
[00:34:34] them firing me. I'm already fired. So,
[00:34:36] this woman has has has now gone from
[00:34:38] ATI.
[00:34:39] Maybe that's a good thing. Maybe that'll
[00:34:41] allow her to be more truthful, right?
[00:34:43] She's gone. Now she's going to speak a
[00:34:46] different tone. Now she's going to have
[00:34:47] a conversation with us.
[00:34:49] I don't have to worry about them firing
[00:34:51] me. So, I think she's trying everything.
[00:34:53] She's trying every rhetorical device,
[00:34:57] you know, to get out of this situation.
[00:34:59] At least she's talking to me.
[00:35:02] Let's keep the tape going.
[00:35:04] >> I'm already fired. I'm good. lost in the
[00:35:08] the the 90minute conversation you had
[00:35:10] you you and I had that dinner table is
[00:35:13] any semblance of right and wrong. There
[00:35:15] was no morality and I'll play the raw
[00:35:18] tape. There was no ethics. There was no
[00:35:20] discussion about
[00:35:21] >> preaching to the choir.
[00:35:22] >> Yes. But here's the problem I have with
[00:35:24] that.
[00:35:25] >> You didn't bring up any ethical
[00:35:27] considerations. You didn't say this is
[00:35:29] wrong. You just proceeded to talk. And
[00:35:32] my question for you is, why didn't you
[00:35:35] bring up that this is illegal?
[00:35:46] This is great. I mean, she can't answer
[00:35:48] that one. I stumped you on that one,
[00:35:50] Meline. I know you got a mom in the FBI.
[00:35:53] I know you're a military family. I got
[00:35:55] you on I got you on that one.
[00:35:59] Uh
[00:36:02] [Laughter]
[00:36:04] so lost in all of this is any ethics and
[00:36:08] any morality. And by the way, it's not
[00:36:10] just Malay, it's the whole system.
[00:36:13] It's all about money. The fact that you
[00:36:16] people out there think it's about
[00:36:17] something other than money shows me how
[00:36:19] foolish and naive that you can be. You
[00:36:22] think this is about justice? I said this
[00:36:24] yesterday. Read Plato's Republic.
[00:36:27] These people in Washington thinks
[00:36:29] justice is doing good to your to your
[00:36:31] friends and favoritisms and doing bad to
[00:36:34] your enemies. It's it's there's no
[00:36:37] semblance of right and wrong. There's no
[00:36:38] semblance of ethics.
[00:36:41] You actually put it in in in a into the
[00:36:43] lens of right and wrong and it makes
[00:36:45] people have a a malfunction. It's like
[00:36:47] pouring water on a robot. Does not
[00:36:48] compute. Does not compute. Like they
[00:36:50] don't understand. Of course, that's the
[00:36:52] way that we look at the world and that's
[00:36:53] the way that some of you look through
[00:36:54] the world. But they don't care about
[00:36:56] you. This is all about money.
[00:37:00] And speaking, and we're going to keep
[00:37:01] playing this tape, but I I interrupt
[00:37:03] because I have commentary. The Treasury
[00:37:06] Secretary has suspended the contract.
[00:37:08] Uh, can we please put on the screen that
[00:37:10] Accenture has has actually muted their
[00:37:12] account.
[00:37:14] Accenture has actually muted their
[00:37:17] account on X. That should tell you
[00:37:18] something. They're afraid. Now,
[00:37:19] Accenture is an Irish company. It's not
[00:37:21] even an American company.
[00:37:24] Why are we enriching these these these
[00:37:27] cronies
[00:37:29] with this racket? And the question of
[00:37:31] the day again is, is Accenture a
[00:37:33] co-conspirator?
[00:37:35] Is Mckenzian Company, which is a
[00:37:37] consulting firm that like Mitt Romney
[00:37:39] worked for? Yes, there it is. Accenture,
[00:37:41] look at this. They've protected their
[00:37:43] tweets.
[00:37:45] Accenture, which has the $und00 million
[00:37:48] contract with ATI, quote, "Together we
[00:37:49] deliver on the promise of technology and
[00:37:51] human ingenuity." Um, is Accenture a a
[00:37:55] criminal co-conspirator in the fraud?
[00:37:57] Because they are the beneficiary of the
[00:37:59] fraud?
[00:38:01] They're the beneficiary of the fraud.
[00:38:06] We are hitting I want you to know that
[00:38:08] we are hitting the central nerve of the
[00:38:10] Pentagon,
[00:38:12] O'Keefe Media,
[00:38:14] and Citizen Journalism Foundation. We
[00:38:17] are hitting the central nerve of the
[00:38:19] administrative state right now.
[00:38:21] Everyone, please go back to the
[00:38:22] eccentric picture.
[00:38:26] I'm going to come for you. I'm going to
[00:38:27] expose all of you.
[00:38:31] We're going to expose the whole diseased
[00:38:33] temple
[00:38:35] bit by bit, brick by brick. And if the
[00:38:39] only thing you can say in response is
[00:38:41] people are going to lose their jobs,
[00:38:43] you're going to put people on the
[00:38:44] street.
[00:38:46] Back to me. What must never be forgotten
[00:38:49] in the United States of America is we
[00:38:51] have a first amendment. The first
[00:38:52] amendment says that we public has a
[00:38:54] right to know.
[00:38:57] And while people might lose their jobs,
[00:38:59] it's important for people to understand
[00:39:00] the truth.
[00:39:03] We're going to talk about justice and
[00:39:04] accountability in the department of the
[00:39:06] latest news from the department of
[00:39:07] justice. I wanted to show you this news
[00:39:08] with Accenture protecting their posts.
[00:39:11] Um this is remarkable that Accenture is
[00:39:15] now afraid. Why are they protecting
[00:39:16] their tweets?
[00:39:18] Okay, let's go back to Meline.
[00:39:24] >> My name is
[00:39:26] >> There we go. Uh,
[00:39:27] >> this is not about ratings, ma'am.
[00:39:28] >> You're absolutely right.
[00:39:30] >> This this is this is called a mic. And
[00:39:32] the problem is if I go up to someone and
[00:39:33] be like,
[00:39:34] >> pause. What?
[00:39:35] >> So, if you're just tuning in, Meline is
[00:39:37] suggesting that it would be it would be
[00:39:39] better for me not to use the undercover
[00:39:41] methodologies and to just ask her
[00:39:43] straight up. And I'm demonstrating for
[00:39:45] her that if I were to put the mic in her
[00:39:47] face, she wouldn't be truthful. So, play
[00:39:50] this again.
[00:39:51] >> Tell me about Do you do you break the
[00:39:54] law?
[00:39:54] >> No.
[00:39:55] >> They're not going to be like, "Yes, we
[00:39:56] only do half the work."
[00:39:58] >> Tell you my opinion on that.
[00:39:59] >> I don't want your opinion. I want the
[00:40:01] truth.
[00:40:01] >> The truth does matter. But if you're
[00:40:03] going to end up talking to an employee
[00:40:05] that loses a job the next day and now
[00:40:07] they're on the street, that's the
[00:40:09] hesitancy of normal people.
[00:40:10] >> I don't have to worry about them firing
[00:40:12] me. I'm already fired. I'm good.
[00:40:15] >> Lost in the the the 90minute
[00:40:17] conversation you had you you and I had
[00:40:19] that dinner table is any semblance of
[00:40:22] right and wrong. There was no morality.
[00:40:25] No, and I'll play the raw tape. There
[00:40:26] was no ethics. There was no discussion
[00:40:28] about
[00:40:29] >> preaching to the choir.
[00:40:30] >> Yes. But here's the problem I have with
[00:40:31] that.
[00:40:32] >> You didn't bring up any ethical
[00:40:35] considerations. You didn't say this is
[00:40:37] wrong. You just proceeded to talk. And
[00:40:40] my question for you is why didn't you
[00:40:43] bring up that this is illegal?
[00:40:50] >> One, it's my opinion. I can't say
[00:40:52] they're doing anything illegal if I
[00:40:54] wasn't involved in anything to visually
[00:40:57] see that. Oh my god, this is illegal,
[00:41:00] right? I can only give my opinion and
[00:41:03] what I felt when I was there. This is
[00:41:05] fact. This is not God. Okay, you can
[00:41:08] turn that off now. You got enough.
[00:41:09] You're good, right? That that's getting
[00:41:11] ridiculous, but let's talk about that.
[00:41:12] >> Okay. All right.
[00:41:13] >> Turn and all. You understand all?
[00:41:16] >> So, you know, we spoke to Meline. Um,
[00:41:20] it's kind of unclear just how villainous
[00:41:23] she is. She definitely participated and
[00:41:26] seemed to go along with a lot of the
[00:41:28] comments. And I tried to call her out on
[00:41:30] a lot of her arguments that it's just
[00:41:31] her opinion that no, no, no, she doesn't
[00:41:34] like our undercover methods. I talked to
[00:41:36] her in the parking lot at length for
[00:41:39] about an hour and a half. Meline is
[00:41:41] attempting as I speak here right now to
[00:41:44] get us in touch with other people that
[00:41:46] work at ATI including the CEO has made
[00:41:49] the attempt to try to get in touch with
[00:41:51] the CEO to cooperate with our
[00:41:54] investigation to expose what's really
[00:41:56] happening inside ATI.
[00:42:00] All right, everyone. There you have it.
[00:42:02] The full interaction with Melain live.
[00:42:05] There's our call-in number 864-7139868.
[00:42:08] Our full reaction to this. Now, we have
[00:42:11] another update for you. Uh, this was
[00:42:13] broken late last night. We have an
[00:42:15] insider in the so-called Native American
[00:42:18] tribe. If we could throw that on the
[00:42:20] screen, please. This is the the uh firm
[00:42:23] in California, the organization in
[00:42:25] California. Uh, they sent out an
[00:42:28] internal memo in response to our
[00:42:30] reporting. And I'm going to go ahead and
[00:42:32] read that to you. This is to the uh uh
[00:42:34] rancheria Susanville Indian Rancheria.
[00:42:38] This is an individual who's the one that
[00:42:39] sent this out, team.
[00:42:41] What was the name of the person?
[00:42:44] Christy Chu from the Susanville
[00:42:46] Rancheria. Quote, I'm going to read this
[00:42:48] to you. We are currently addressing a
[00:42:50] highly sensitive situation. It's
[00:42:52] important we remain mindful of our
[00:42:54] responsibilities. As a reminder, please
[00:42:55] review the following policies related to
[00:42:57] cell phone use.
[00:42:59] Uh these are policies and procedures
[00:43:01] they sent out to their people uh not not
[00:43:05] to share information with the public.
[00:43:08] The tribe encourages a reasonable
[00:43:09] standard of limiting personal calls.
[00:43:12] Employees are therefore to ask personal
[00:43:13] calls on nonwork time. Employees need to
[00:43:16] know when to adhere to the code of
[00:43:18] conduct should be aware the actions have
[00:43:20] on their images. Employees must not post
[00:43:22] or publish maybe public information for
[00:43:24] a long time. So they're telling people
[00:43:25] not to talk about what's happening. And
[00:43:28] then we've got people on the inside. So,
[00:43:29] we're going to go ahead and call this
[00:43:30] individual. I need the phone number.
[00:43:33] We're going to go ahead and call the
[00:43:34] person who sent out this memo. Chu is
[00:43:37] her name.
[00:43:40] Uh where's that phone number?
[00:43:43] We're going to go go ahead and call them
[00:43:45] live on the air. And here we go.
[00:43:50] This is her name is Christy Chu
[00:43:52] Rancheria. She has no idea I'm calling.
[00:43:55] I'm calling from a number that she's
[00:43:58] never been called from before.
[00:44:01] Hopefully, she picks up the phone.
[00:44:03] There's always a risk in doing this
[00:44:04] because there's dead space on the air,
[00:44:06] but we're going to do it anyway. Boldly
[00:44:08] going where no journalist has gone
[00:44:10] before.
[00:44:12] It's one small step for man, one giant
[00:44:14] leap for citizen journalism.
[00:44:16] And if she doesn't pick up on the first
[00:44:18] call, you double call. That's the thing
[00:44:20] about getting comment. Always double
[00:44:21] call.
[00:44:23] This is
[00:44:25] Christy Chu Rancheria
[00:44:28] sending out the email to their people
[00:44:30] telling them not to talk to James
[00:44:31] O'Keeffe and then we've got the people
[00:44:34] that she sent it to sending it to James
[00:44:36] O'Keefe. We've got eyes and ears
[00:44:38] everywhere. The American people are
[00:44:39] pissed off
[00:44:42] and we're not going to take it anymore.
[00:44:44] The accountability is up to us.
[00:44:48] Stop complaining about the Department of
[00:44:50] Justice and all these other people.
[00:44:51] Focus on what you can do.
[00:44:54] What one man can do, another can do.
[00:44:59] Come on, Chu. Pick up the phone.
[00:45:02] Come on, Chu. Pick up the phone.
[00:45:06] Okay. Sometimes we triple call. We're
[00:45:07] going to triple call. Maybe she'll get
[00:45:09] frustrated
[00:45:11] and in her frustration, she'll answer
[00:45:12] the phone.
[00:45:20] Remember how that guy other guy called
[00:45:21] me back by accident? He called me back
[00:45:24] by accident.
[00:45:27] Okay, she's not answering. The scandal
[00:45:29] of minority contracting known as 8A
[00:45:31] gives federal contracts to companies
[00:45:33] owned by socially and economically
[00:45:35] distant individuals and it's a scheme.
[00:45:37] It's a hundred billion. That's 5% of the
[00:45:41] United States deficit. Our deficit is at
[00:45:44] unbelievable levels. That debt will be
[00:45:45] on the backs of your children. It's not
[00:45:47] our money, right? Well, it is our money.
[00:45:49] We're the taxpayer and you're the one
[00:45:51] who gets screwed over and we're
[00:45:53] enriching all of them. By the way, um
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[00:46:17] cam footage is critical because you want
[00:46:19] to actually see videos of of what these
[00:46:22] people are doing, police officers.
[00:46:24] That's live on our website. And I I kind
[00:46:27] of wanted to get to some whistleblowers
[00:46:28] and some phone calls. Um maybe Christy
[00:46:31] Chu will call me back, but I kind of
[00:46:33] want I kind of want to go to some
[00:46:34] whistleblowers and some callers and get
[00:46:36] their reaction to both this
[00:46:37] confrontation with Malay
[00:46:40] as well as well as brand new tips.
[00:46:46] We have a caller on the line right now
[00:46:49] about another 8A situation. Cherokee
[00:46:52] Federal caller, are you there?
[00:46:55] >> I am.
[00:46:56] >> Uh, tell us tell us what's going on.
[00:47:00] >> So, watching your ATI video, one starts
[00:47:03] to realize maybe the company you work
[00:47:06] for isn't doing everything exactly by
[00:47:08] the book. Cherokee Federal is the
[00:47:11] government contracting arm of the
[00:47:12] Cherokee Nation out of Talqua, Oklahoma.
[00:47:14] Cherokee Federal being in Tulsa. And
[00:47:17] they are a $3 billion a year company,
[00:47:21] but things like construction, which is
[00:47:23] where I can speak best about, they don't
[00:47:26] have any construction folks. All they do
[00:47:28] is win a contract and then sub it out.
[00:47:30] Win a contract, sub it out to multiple
[00:47:33] >> Where? What state? What state?
[00:47:36] Well, they're headquartered in Oklahoma,
[00:47:38] but they're they're global.
[00:47:41] >> And who are the cont who are the people
[00:47:42] they're subbing it out to? Is it also
[00:47:44] Accenture?
[00:47:47] >> They uh Cherokee Federal subcontracts to
[00:47:50] anybody. They will they will they will
[00:47:52] spin up a new Cherokee Federal AA entity
[00:47:55] just to win a contract that might need
[00:47:57] to be womanowned or Native American and
[00:48:01] womanowned or whatever the case may be.
[00:48:04] Uh, and then they'll subcontract to
[00:48:06] anybody that will do the job with no
[00:48:09] regard to their their AA status.
[00:48:12] >> They don't they have no care about who
[00:48:15] the subcontractor are.
[00:48:17] >> Well, and and do you have firsthand
[00:48:19] knowledge of this or is this something
[00:48:20] that you've seen secondhand?
[00:48:24] >> Uh, firsthand.
[00:48:26] I used to work there.
[00:48:27] >> Can you help us expose it?
[00:48:30] Uh, I did not leave on the best of
[00:48:33] circumstances, so it would be difficult,
[00:48:36] but I can answer any questions offline
[00:48:39] that you need to.
[00:48:40] >> Well, we'd like to know the name of the
[00:48:41] individual we should go meet with and
[00:48:42] and get to to brag about this. So, thank
[00:48:45] you for calling and we're going to call
[00:48:46] you. We'll get your number and we'll
[00:48:48] call you back later today. We're going
[00:48:49] to we're going to go bust that open.
[00:48:51] Thank you.
[00:48:52] >> Okay.
[00:48:53] >> Thank you.
[00:48:53] >> You do.
[00:48:54] >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys out
[00:48:56] there. It's not easy to be a
[00:48:57] whistleblower. Um, you know, I I have
[00:49:00] this book called The Whistleblowers
[00:49:01] Survival Guide, and I was reading it,
[00:49:03] and I just want to share some thoughts
[00:49:05] with you. I I I know how hard this is
[00:49:07] for the American people, you know, to to
[00:49:10] do this. And bureaucracies instinctively
[00:49:12] tend to eliminate anything perceived as
[00:49:14] a threat. That includes the United
[00:49:16] States government. Bureaucracies
[00:49:18] instinctively tend to eliminate anything
[00:49:21] perceived as a threat. And again, I want
[00:49:22] to I want to give a note of thanks to
[00:49:24] the attorney general and the department
[00:49:26] of justice who I understand have
[00:49:30] launched an investigation. Now, that
[00:49:31] frustrates my audience because they're
[00:49:34] like, "Well, that's not enough. That's
[00:49:36] not enough."
[00:49:38] And I want to say I want to make a
[00:49:40] comment about that. Um con people on the
[00:49:43] American right, conservatives, by the
[00:49:46] way, I don't really even consider I
[00:49:47] don't even know what it means to be
[00:49:48] conservative anymore. I'm I'm an
[00:49:49] independent. I'm a constitutionalist.
[00:49:51] I'm a journalist. But people in the
[00:49:54] conservative movement have become so
[00:49:56] disillusioned. I understand. They've
[00:49:58] become so blackpilled, and trust me, I
[00:50:00] understand.
[00:50:01] Um that they can't take a win.
[00:50:06] And I I I got some messages last night
[00:50:09] from people that the secretary of the
[00:50:11] Treasury suspended a $250 million
[00:50:13] contract. And the messages I got were
[00:50:15] were angry. They were like, "Well, why
[00:50:18] aren't the people in handcuffs?"
[00:50:21] And we we've never gotten this far
[00:50:23] before. So So you you you you got you
[00:50:26] kind of got to take the win. You have to
[00:50:28] be able to say this is this is good
[00:50:31] progress. And um
[00:50:34] and I think when you the other thing I
[00:50:37] want to tell all of you cuz I'm reading
[00:50:39] the comments. I see everything you send
[00:50:40] me is if you if you pray and if you say
[00:50:44] something over and over again like
[00:50:46] nothing ever happens to these people
[00:50:48] because that's obviously what you're all
[00:50:50] thinking and saying nothing will come of
[00:50:51] this. Your comments are nothing will
[00:50:54] happen. What you're going to do is
[00:50:56] you're going to manifest that outcome.
[00:51:00] But if you say
[00:51:03] if you say we're going to expose every
[00:51:06] last one of them, then that's what we're
[00:51:07] going to do.
[00:51:10] So you could either say, and pardon my
[00:51:13] language,
[00:51:15] you could either say nothing will happen
[00:51:17] to these people. Nothing's going to
[00:51:19] happen, James O'Keefe. No one's going to
[00:51:22] jail. None of it matters. James O'Keefe,
[00:51:24] the Secretary of the Treasury, just
[00:51:26] suspended the $253 million contract, and
[00:51:28] I understand there's more coming,
[00:51:29] everyone. So, you you could say
[00:51:33] nothing's going to happen. Or you could
[00:51:36] say we're going to expose the
[00:51:38] [ __ ]
[00:51:40] and we're going to shut this program
[00:51:42] down
[00:51:44] a hundred billion dollars. Now, which of
[00:51:46] those things do you think we should say?
[00:51:52] Which is your preference?
[00:51:54] Which do you want me to do?
[00:51:59] Do you want me to tell you nothing's
[00:52:00] going to happen or do you want me to
[00:52:01] tell you we're going to expose every
[00:52:02] last one of them? Okay. You want me to
[00:52:04] You want me to tell you that we're going
[00:52:05] to expose? Good. I thought I thought
[00:52:07] that's what you wanted. So, here's what
[00:52:08] I need from you. Stop saying that
[00:52:10] nothing is going to happen to these
[00:52:12] people and call us and work with us
[00:52:16] because we've gotten 30 people call us
[00:52:18] in the last 24 hours and this is
[00:52:20] serious. Now, the things that you're
[00:52:22] going to have to get around to do this.
[00:52:25] Doing the right thing. I just want to
[00:52:27] read this to you. I want to help you.
[00:52:29] Trying to help you. Uh it's not easy to
[00:52:31] do the right thing. Uh you are ordinary
[00:52:34] people in extraordinary situations.
[00:52:38] Now, what is right? What is right and
[00:52:40] wrong?
[00:52:41] How do we get how a lot of you in on the
[00:52:44] inside are concerned to come forward?
[00:52:46] I'm this is I'm addressing you the
[00:52:48] people who have access to the fraud. Um,
[00:52:52] when you see no evil, hear no evil,
[00:52:54] speak no evil, that means you have
[00:52:56] sacrificed your humanity,
[00:52:59] that means you are afraid of man more
[00:53:02] than you're afraid of God.
[00:53:04] Which do you fear more, man or God? Your
[00:53:08] decision to blow the whistle also raises
[00:53:10] deeply personal issues of loyalty and
[00:53:13] livelihood. From many angles, you must
[00:53:15] answer the question, but who are you
[00:53:17] loyal to exactly?
[00:53:21] The decision to blow the whistle is a
[00:53:22] very serious one. The decision to tell
[00:53:24] the truth is a very serious one. We all
[00:53:26] are faced with a crisis of conscience.
[00:53:30] But really, a truth teller means someone
[00:53:32] who is a man of conscience. We're not
[00:53:35] even a huge fan of the term
[00:53:36] whistleblower. I prefer the term be a
[00:53:39] person of conscience. Be a person who
[00:53:42] follows your conscience. Now, the
[00:53:44] personal price you must pay. Your family
[00:53:47] may have a difficult time understanding
[00:53:48] and sympathizing with what you are going
[00:53:50] through. It is not uncommon for
[00:53:53] marriages and other relationships to
[00:53:55] fall apart in the wake of blowing the
[00:53:58] whistle.
[00:54:01] These are things you have to these are
[00:54:03] these are dynamics you have to address.
[00:54:04] But but this is a moment in history when
[00:54:06] I think we all need to stick together.
[00:54:09] I will have your back.
[00:54:12] Um we have to stick together.
[00:54:16] And we will.
[00:54:19] We have another caller. I just wanted to
[00:54:20] say those things to you guys to help
[00:54:22] you. I don't want to see the comments.
[00:54:24] Nothing's going to happen. Things will
[00:54:26] happen. We will make it so. We cannot
[00:54:29] control what they do. We can only
[00:54:31] control what we do.
[00:54:33] We have another caller. Tell me about
[00:54:34] who the caller is.
[00:54:38] >> Hello.
[00:54:38] >> Yes. Hello caller. Tell us uh the tip
[00:54:41] you have and some of the fraud that
[00:54:43] you've witnessed.
[00:54:45] Hi James. Um so I was in procurement
[00:54:48] policy in Washington DC and so I would
[00:54:51] have to review the contracts um for
[00:54:53] approval by the head of the contracting
[00:54:55] agency activity or the bure bureau
[00:54:57] procurement chief before award. And what
[00:55:00] I witnessed with the AA contract is
[00:55:02] after they switched the federal
[00:55:04] acquisition regulation to up the uh
[00:55:07] threshold to $40 million soul source for
[00:55:10] IT specific ADAS. the program kind of
[00:55:14] went off the rails and I was getting
[00:55:17] statements of work that were basically
[00:55:18] undefined. So, $40 million, no
[00:55:22] competition, and you can't really tell
[00:55:25] what you're getting. So, essentially, it
[00:55:27] looked to me like uh uh it was written
[00:55:29] like a blank check. They could basically
[00:55:31] invoice for anything.
[00:55:33] >> Who's they who's they?
[00:55:36] >> That contractor was the Cherokee Nation.
[00:55:38] >> And that's also in Oklahoma.
[00:55:42] >> Yeah. So that would be under the same
[00:55:43] umbrella.
[00:55:44] >> Who are the subcontractors?
[00:55:47] >> I do not have I I I do not know, but I
[00:55:49] do have a story how um so I push back on
[00:55:53] that. Months later, January 2nd, 2021, a
[00:55:57] VPN stopped connecting. We were all
[00:55:59] teleworking. It was COVID. I went there
[00:56:01] Monday morning the 4th. The IT
[00:56:04] contractor set me up for an in-person
[00:56:06] appointment for them to fix my laptop in
[00:56:09] DC January 6 at 1:30 p.m. That was 15
[00:56:13] minutes before the quote unquote
[00:56:14] insurrection happened.
[00:56:16] So, I believe that not only are they
[00:56:21] directing contracts to these companies,
[00:56:23] not only are they um this railroading
[00:56:26] the whole system, but then these
[00:56:28] companies will go after anybody who gets
[00:56:30] in their way.
[00:56:31] >> Well, that that's that's right. That's
[00:56:33] exactly right. Cherokee Nation is you're
[00:56:35] the second caller about this Cherokee
[00:56:36] Nation. That's certainly something we
[00:56:37] will look into. And you don't know who
[00:56:39] the subs are, but is this something you
[00:56:41] have firsthand knowledge of or or
[00:56:42] secondhand or you've observed or how how
[00:56:44] have you come to know about this?
[00:56:47] It was my personal experience
[00:56:49] >> and
[00:56:50] >> but I also want to let let you know
[00:56:52] really really fast um in September of
[00:56:54] 2021 after that debacle Cherokee Nation
[00:56:57] got $130 million soul source contracts.
[00:57:01] The description says humanitarian Afghan
[00:57:03] Afghanistan refugee. That's it. And
[00:57:06] that's with the Department of State
[00:57:07] >> Department of State Department
[00:57:09] contracts.
[00:57:10] Um, and do you think that the subs are I
[00:57:13] mean this I'm asking your opinion, but I
[00:57:15] think it's the question of of really the
[00:57:17] the most important question like in this
[00:57:18] case Accenture and McKenzie Accenture is
[00:57:20] getting a $100 million contract. Is are
[00:57:22] the subs in on it? Like are they kind of
[00:57:24] co-conspirators in this racket? What's
[00:57:26] your view on that?
[00:57:29] the large companies, I believe. So, yes,
[00:57:31] because they set up um uh teaming
[00:57:33] agreements and um joint ventures with um
[00:57:37] tribal natives and Alaska um Hawaiian
[00:57:40] and Pacific Islanders um when like
[00:57:43] especially when they graduate the ADA
[00:57:45] program because it only lasts for a
[00:57:47] certain amount of time. But the big
[00:57:49] companies absolutely they would they
[00:57:51] would they do so many contracts, they
[00:57:53] know federal contracting
[00:57:55] inside out. They know exactly what
[00:57:57] they're doing. The smaller contractors
[00:57:59] might not. They might just think that
[00:58:00] they're picking up honest work.
[00:58:02] >> Well, we'd like to talk to you offline
[00:58:04] and and I will do that. I will call you
[00:58:06] later today. Thank you for your time and
[00:58:08] thank you for your courage with your
[00:58:10] with your voice calling into this
[00:58:11] program and we will call you offline.
[00:58:13] Thank you very very much.
[00:58:15] >> Um let's go to a few screenshots we've
[00:58:17] gotten team from I want to show the
[00:58:19] audience all the messages that we're
[00:58:21] getting. I can't show you everyone
[00:58:22] because I have to protect these people's
[00:58:24] identities but I want to give you a
[00:58:25] taste. I know this is wonky. In other
[00:58:27] words, it's it's like there's it's hard
[00:58:30] to understand, but I think it's very
[00:58:32] important because this is a huge
[00:58:33] percentage of our federal deficit. Um uh
[00:58:36] there are more angles to the 8A scam
[00:58:38] from personal experience meetings with
[00:58:41] bold concept bold concepts. The
[00:58:43] company's sort of front for numerous 8A
[00:58:45] operations. Bold concept concept elicits
[00:58:48] American Indian tribes to start con
[00:58:51] skeleton construction companies.
[00:58:54] They get these ADA is minority. It's a
[00:58:57] DEI thing. It's it's supposed to help
[00:59:00] disadvantaged groups. ADA organizations
[00:59:02] preferential treatment. The American
[00:59:05] companies cannot bid or compete against
[00:59:06] due to the status. These are no bid
[00:59:08] contracts.
[00:59:10] I know from personal experience. So,
[00:59:13] we're we're speaking to these
[00:59:14] individuals. You know, we're not going
[00:59:15] to show their names because we don't
[00:59:16] want to put them on blast, but this is
[00:59:18] show another one. We'll keep going
[00:59:19] through these.
[00:59:21] Another Cherokee Federal in Tulsa. A lot
[00:59:23] of a lot of Cherokee. Next one. Keep
[00:59:25] going. I work with the DA. Our biggest
[00:59:28] customer. We don't rely on any
[00:59:29] certification because we felt these have
[00:59:31] been used in a bad way. We don't need
[00:59:33] it. Next one. My company works in the
[00:59:36] middle of contracting scandal. Goes
[00:59:37] deeper than the these fraudulent ADAs.
[00:59:40] We have nativeowned company that we feel
[00:59:42] is colluding with the native chapter
[00:59:43] houses. We have a huge problem. This is
[00:59:46] Eastern Shauny Professional Services.
[00:59:48] This takes money and jobs away from
[00:59:49] local native businesses. So, it these
[00:59:51] programs are designed to help these
[00:59:53] disadvantaged communities, but they end
[00:59:54] up hurting them. Next one.
[00:59:57] This is a this is a Let's go to the next
[00:59:59] one.
[01:00:03] It was evident in most of my 20 years in
[01:00:06] the Navy. Who doesn't know how that's
[01:00:08] how government contracting works?
[01:00:11] You made a system that is essentially
[01:00:12] affirmative action or equity boundaries.
[01:00:15] people play the system and figure out
[01:00:17] how they can either sell goods or
[01:00:18] services to the government at higher
[01:00:19] cost while paying someone else to
[01:00:22] provide those goods and services. By the
[01:00:23] way, that's illegal.
[01:00:26] It's against the law to sub out the work
[01:00:29] to a non-day.
[01:00:31] You can't do that, but that's how it's
[01:00:33] done.
[01:00:36] There's a lot there's another one a lot
[01:00:38] deeper than just ATI Senica Nation New
[01:00:41] York.
[01:00:43] Um, there's literal business consultants
[01:00:45] that specialize in this.
[01:00:47] Uh, the Hampton Roads Bridge project
[01:00:50] tunnel is a set aside.
[01:00:52] I was approached to set up a company in
[01:00:53] my wife's name to get the contract. It's
[01:00:56] a sick and twisted game that runs very
[01:00:57] deep even in farright circles. Again,
[01:00:59] let's go back to me. This is not a left
[01:01:01] or right issue. Let me say that again.
[01:01:03] This is not a Republican or Democratic
[01:01:05] issue. Let me say that a third time.
[01:01:07] This is not about who you like in
[01:01:10] politics.
[01:01:12] I would actually say it happens more on
[01:01:14] the right to be honest with you.
[01:01:16] This is about right and wrong.
[01:01:20] And this is about greed. This is about
[01:01:23] money.
[01:01:24] I'm going to say this a second time
[01:01:26] today that um it's all about money.
[01:01:31] And if you think this is about something
[01:01:33] other than money,
[01:01:35] it shows me how foolish and naive that
[01:01:38] you are.
[01:01:40] Do you think that the people actually
[01:01:41] care about you and the Department of
[01:01:44] Defense? I'm sure there are some good
[01:01:46] people. I'm really happy the Department
[01:01:48] of Justice is doing something with this.
[01:01:50] That's a really positive sign.
[01:01:52] But this is all about money. The people
[01:01:54] that are doing this subcontracting stuff
[01:01:55] is all about money. Do we have any other
[01:01:57] callers? I want to go to another caller
[01:01:58] or two.
[01:02:02] You said Colorado.
[01:02:07] Archer, let's put on the air. Hey there.
[01:02:11] >> Hey there. How's it going? So, uh,
[01:02:12] Archer Systems, it's, uh, it's
[01:02:14] suspiciously tied to these ATI holdings
[01:02:17] and, uh, it was in charge of, uh,
[01:02:19] dispersing Risperol settlements for
[01:02:21] disabled and injured clients from the
[01:02:24] medication Rispol. Um, the lawyers used
[01:02:26] the settlement administrator, which was
[01:02:28] appointed by a court judge, and
[01:02:31] apparently there was an ethics review in
[01:02:32] regards to it. However, uh, I would have
[01:02:35] to highly disagree.
[01:02:38] Well, tell us about tell us about what
[01:02:40] you've seen and what we could uncover
[01:02:42] here at OMG.
[01:02:44] >> So, I see Archer Systems as some kind of
[01:02:48] shell company with ghost parallegals
[01:02:50] working at it that don't actually
[01:02:51] perform any actual labor towards
[01:02:54] settling clients claims. And instead,
[01:02:56] clients also alleged that their claims
[01:02:58] are held hostage overseas in a bank
[01:03:02] somewhere in Punjab. They haven't
[01:03:04] received their settlements in over 10
[01:03:05] years. And this relates to some of the
[01:03:07] palisades money as well. Some of the
[01:03:09] fire money that was supposed to go out
[01:03:11] to those victims. Yeah. Some kind of
[01:03:13] overseas contract. And uh this this
[01:03:16] business also collected a PPP loan of
[01:03:18] $2.9 million in 2020 and then
[01:03:21] subsequently opened this subsidiary
[01:03:23] overseas.
[01:03:24] >> $2.9 million to those clients.
[01:03:27] >> Wow. And and who and who are the subs?
[01:03:29] What were the names?
[01:03:32] >> Oh, the lawyer's names are Arnold and
[01:03:34] Iken. They use fake reviews to boost
[01:03:36] their image online. And uh yeah, most of
[01:03:39] what they do is just uh sports bet. They
[01:03:42] bet on sports and they throw their money
[01:03:44] at the NFL for free advertisement
[01:03:47] instead of pay their clients. Uh they
[01:03:49] also own vineyards, so they prioritize
[01:03:52] alcohol over their clients. Texas uh
[01:03:55] Department of Justice as well as FBI
[01:03:57] have been notified for the last 5 years
[01:04:00] and have refused to hold them
[01:04:01] accountable.
[01:04:03] >> Wow. Well, I'd like to talk to you
[01:04:05] offline, sir, and I'd like to go expose
[01:04:07] that. I'm getting inundated with
[01:04:08] messages, guys. I mean, I can't I don't
[01:04:10] even have time to load them into into
[01:04:12] the uh the video prompter for you, but I
[01:04:14] got one just now that in my hometown, we
[01:04:17] had five gas stations bought by
[01:04:19] Pakistanis. Uh uh the concern amongst
[01:04:21] locals, the price increases, this DEI 8A
[01:04:24] stuff. Unbelievable.
[01:04:27] Um we have another caller. I got I got
[01:04:29] my friend Ryan Rhodess calling in in a
[01:04:30] moment. He's got a a a an interesting
[01:04:33] contracting scam, the Super 8A. But do
[01:04:36] we have any other callers? Producer.
[01:04:41] One more caller. Okay, put them
[01:04:44] put them through.
[01:04:46] >> Hey, James. Uh, thank you so much for
[01:04:49] all you do to expose malfeants. Your
[01:04:51] courage is super inspiring. Um, I've
[01:04:54] been listening to your show. I It was
[01:04:56] highly anticipated. So on Monday, I
[01:04:58] tuned in and as I was listening, I was
[01:05:00] pretty shocked by what I heard in your
[01:05:02] interview. So what was interesting to me
[01:05:05] about all of this is that I knew nothing
[01:05:07] about ADAs, knew nothing about the
[01:05:09] Native American contract, but a week
[01:05:12] prior, I had spoken with a family member
[01:05:14] about his job that involved government
[01:05:16] contracts, and he was telling me about
[01:05:18] how Native Americanowned companies get
[01:05:20] preferential contracts. Again, I had not
[01:05:22] heard of this before. So during your
[01:05:24] show on Monday, I shared your story with
[01:05:26] this family member because I knew he
[01:05:28] would be interested and his response
[01:05:31] was, "Wow, but I'm not surprised." So I
[01:05:33] thought that was interesting. But then
[01:05:34] he said they should do a story on SDVOS.
[01:05:39] What is that? Service
[01:05:42] >> SDVO,
[01:05:44] which is service disabled veteranowned
[01:05:47] companies.
[01:05:48] Service disabled veteranowned companies.
[01:05:50] According to him, in technology sales,
[01:05:53] there are unethical individuals that
[01:05:55] take advantage of the benefits that
[01:05:57] should be intended for disabled
[01:05:58] veterans, but apparently they're using
[01:06:01] workarounds to get contracts,
[01:06:02] potentially taking contracts from actual
[01:06:04] disabled veterans. So, again, more tax
[01:06:07] billers going to people who don't really
[01:06:09] deserve it. So, I just thought your team
[01:06:10] might want to look into this. And I
[01:06:12] believe that we can expose every last
[01:06:15] one of them.
[01:06:16] >> We're going to That's what I Thank you.
[01:06:18] Thank you. I I that that's that's
[01:06:20] beautiful and thank you for your for for
[01:06:23] for that information and we will look
[01:06:25] into that and thank you for you for your
[01:06:27] attitude which is positive. That's
[01:06:29] exactly what we need to hear and I
[01:06:30] appreciate that very much and we'll
[01:06:32] we'll be in touch. We got your number.
[01:06:33] We're going to call you back. Ryan RH
[01:06:34] should be on the line in a minute when
[01:06:36] we get him through. In the meantime,
[01:06:37] let's put this let's put this tip. We
[01:06:39] just got this tip from a high up person
[01:06:41] in the in the federal government. Guys,
[01:06:44] this is so exciting. We have people in
[01:06:46] the United States government at a high
[01:06:47] level who are messaging me on Signal and
[01:06:50] and and Instagram. I wish they wouldn't
[01:06:53] use Instagram, but they do sometimes.
[01:06:56] Um, listen to this. Let me move the flag
[01:06:58] because I can't see the the screen.
[01:07:01] There we go. Uh, listen to this. Listen
[01:07:04] to this. Under the guise of ADA,
[01:07:06] billions in federal procurement dollars
[01:07:08] flow unchecked to military
[01:07:10] installations, funneling Chinese-made
[01:07:12] products that nonprofits repackage for
[01:07:16] pennies.
[01:07:18] This is apparently a group called Source
[01:07:21] America. It's like a a national
[01:07:22] industries of the blind C3 organization
[01:07:25] that operate within GSA as quasi
[01:07:28] governmental entities.
[01:07:31] Huh.
[01:07:34] The corruption is systemic with the
[01:07:35] commission stacked by 15 DEI appointees.
[01:07:38] I've been raising the alarms for years
[01:07:39] until your expose on the ADA program
[01:07:41] gave us a few Republican career civil
[01:07:43] servants real hope that finally our
[01:07:45] voices might be heard. Please keep my
[01:07:47] identity anonymous for now. The
[01:07:49] professional retribution would be
[01:07:50] devastating.
[01:07:52] But remaining silent at this pivotal
[01:07:54] moment feels far worse. Thank you for
[01:07:57] your work. And this message is for you,
[01:07:58] whoever you are. Um I hear you. I I know
[01:08:02] that it it it it it's it's it's
[01:08:06] I can't imagine how difficult it must be
[01:08:08] to be so afraid to do the right thing.
[01:08:13] But even if a hundred of us or you know
[01:08:16] what, if a dozen of us all came forward
[01:08:18] and just told the truth, people always
[01:08:22] asked me, James O'Keefe, what can I do?
[01:08:25] And my response on Monday was pretty
[01:08:27] aggressive. So, let me tone it down a
[01:08:29] little bit. Tell the truth,
[01:08:33] right?
[01:08:34] Tell the truth. You know what to do. But
[01:08:38] I might lose my job. Yes, but you're not
[01:08:41] going to die. Your body will not be
[01:08:44] engulfed in flames. People don't starve
[01:08:46] to death in this country. At least not
[01:08:47] yet.
[01:08:49] But
[01:08:51] I think this might be the opportunity
[01:08:54] for you guys out there to put a camera
[01:08:57] on and record this this disgusting rot.
[01:08:59] We got a Treasury Secretary, Scott
[01:09:01] Vesset, who's who's ready to do this.
[01:09:03] He's he's ready. We got an antitrust
[01:09:06] department, Pam Bondi, looks like she's
[01:09:08] ready to do this. She's ready to launch
[01:09:09] an investigation. Good honor.
[01:09:12] So, if they're I if they come after you,
[01:09:15] they're going to have to go through
[01:09:16] James O'Keefe.
[01:09:18] They have to go through me to touch you.
[01:09:20] I will not let them do that to you.
[01:09:24] We are going to tell your stories. We're
[01:09:26] going to do this together. I will answer
[01:09:28] your phone calls. I will talk to you all
[01:09:30] night on the phone if I have to.
[01:09:33] But we people say, "James O'Keefe, what
[01:09:35] can I do? What can I do?" I get asked
[01:09:36] that question like every single hour of
[01:09:38] the day. And the the response is just
[01:09:40] tell the truth. It's very hard to tell
[01:09:42] the truth. Isn't it?
[01:09:45] You might have to set give up something.
[01:09:47] So maybe maybe instead of when you say,
[01:09:49] "What can I do?" Maybe the appropriate
[01:09:51] response is what are you willing to give
[01:09:52] up?
[01:09:55] Maybe that's the answer. Maybe you need
[01:09:56] to tell me what you're willing to give
[01:09:57] up. But a lot of you are willing. We
[01:09:59] have Ryan Rhodess on the phone. Uh Ryan,
[01:10:03] are you there?
[01:10:06] >> Hi, James. It's good to talk to you.
[01:10:08] >> Hey, Ryan. I Long time no talk. I know
[01:10:10] you sent that you you told me that um uh
[01:10:13] you're very familiar with how this
[01:10:14] works. You're very familiar with the 8A
[01:10:18] program. Tell us about what you've seen
[01:10:20] and what you know.
[01:10:24] Well, so as I was uh doing political
[01:10:26] stuff and looking for uh different uh
[01:10:29] different vehicles to invest some of the
[01:10:30] the money in in I I one of the things we
[01:10:33] got into was uh the procurement of
[01:10:35] different supplies, janitorial supplies,
[01:10:37] other diff other things and accounting
[01:10:40] structure. And so my I had a friend who
[01:10:42] was really good at this stuff and then
[01:10:43] he was looking for uh for government
[01:10:46] contracts. But they ended up finding on
[01:10:48] this and then on the data side and all
[01:10:50] this others was okay you can go get it
[01:10:52] but these contracts were really written
[01:10:54] in and set aside for ADA contractors. So
[01:10:57] what you can either do is basically give
[01:10:59] up 51% of your company and you can do
[01:11:02] this this or uh you guys can get out and
[01:11:05] spin off another company. Well, that
[01:11:07] made me angry and I ended up getting out
[01:11:08] of the whole thing thing and saying
[01:11:10] we're not going to be a part of this.
[01:11:11] But they actively go there. They're
[01:11:13] like, "You need to find this person that
[01:11:15] goes they spin off another company. They
[01:11:17] basically upcharge an extra 60%
[01:11:19] basically off the cost and just
[01:11:21] drastically drive these off." Now, a lot
[01:11:24] some of these people are already out
[01:11:25] there. They're they'll like direct you
[01:11:27] to somebody or some something else. And
[01:11:29] a lot of them happen to be tangential to
[01:11:32] somebody else who's in the government uh
[01:11:34] in the government structure who says, "I
[01:11:36] know this grant. You should do this
[01:11:38] company to do this." and then upcharge
[01:11:39] and we'll give it we can automatically
[01:11:42] give these things up to a certain amount
[01:11:44] for AA type whether AA or super AAA
[01:11:47] super 8A has even less actual boundaries
[01:11:50] and regulations surrounding it whether
[01:11:52] you get uh whether you get there once
[01:11:54] you are declared a super AA and I would
[01:11:57] I would think if you look even deeper
[01:11:59] you'll see congressional people's wives
[01:12:01] you'll see government employees you'll
[01:12:03] see lobby you'll see all kinds of people
[01:12:06] across the entire DC structure the
[01:12:08] entire DC structure stands to benefit
[01:12:11] from this hundred billion dollar scheme
[01:12:12] in some way. People are getting money
[01:12:14] from it.
[01:12:16] >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean and I would I would
[01:12:17] say it because it goes across I would
[01:12:19] say it's probably larger than 100 cuz
[01:12:22] even when say uh even when like an
[01:12:24] accounting firms firm across the entire
[01:12:27] DoD or anything else even when that firm
[01:12:29] has to do they were then having to go
[01:12:31] and chunk off 20% to go to said company
[01:12:34] you and some of these are valid
[01:12:36] companies right but some of them are
[01:12:37] literally just shells that go go and and
[01:12:41] upcharge everything and then it actually
[01:12:43] get the work actually gets done by one
[01:12:46] of the other uh larger companies, but
[01:12:48] they have taken almost every gutter
[01:12:50] contract has to have a chunk
[01:12:53] uh you know cut out and they have to
[01:12:55] have minority contractors and ADA
[01:12:57] contractors involved or they can't even
[01:13:00] get the larger multi multi multi-billion
[01:13:02] dollar contract
[01:13:03] >> and then and that's going one of be the
[01:13:05] great challenges from the administration
[01:13:07] is if they when they not if they but
[01:13:09] when they shut this whole thing down
[01:13:11] it's going to cut off a lot of money
[01:13:13] supplies for the mansions and the yachts
[01:13:15] and and the vacations and you know it's
[01:13:18] that that's going to be a challenge I
[01:13:19] think kind of dismantling this fraud
[01:13:23] won't it that's how I see it
[01:13:26] there's a yeah absolutely and there's a
[01:13:28] reason that some of the richest area
[01:13:29] codes are surrounding Washington DC and
[01:13:32] it's not just because a congressman gets
[01:13:34] a huge paycheck it's because of the
[01:13:36] lobbyists it's because of the
[01:13:37] corporations that are dumping in all
[01:13:39] these things around there is so much
[01:13:41] money being handed out and when you're
[01:13:43] in the club club, you get you go and
[01:13:46] they just they just send you over here
[01:13:48] to do this. And I don't think the
[01:13:50] average American realizes just how much
[01:13:53] is just literally passed along there and
[01:13:56] be like, "Oh, this is how you can do
[01:13:57] this this this this. you can just
[01:14:00] basically sit and have this shell or if
[01:14:02] you have this product, you spin this
[01:14:04] thing up and like you you're just
[01:14:06] there's these massive rips behind the
[01:14:08] scene that nobody is really well into
[01:14:11] and that Congress doesn't have to
[01:14:14] >> I think people are starting to wake up.
[01:14:15] I mean it with this starting with the
[01:14:17] story um but I go back
[01:14:21] >> I go back well thank you Ryan and um but
[01:14:23] I have one more question Ryan Rhodess is
[01:14:25] um
[01:14:26] >> with this uh again my question of the
[01:14:30] week is
[01:14:31] >> what role does Accenture and McKenzie
[01:14:33] play in this because they're the subs
[01:14:36] for this particular fraud they're
[01:14:38] getting hund00 million contracts what to
[01:14:41] what extent do the subcontractors who
[01:14:43] are non8a
[01:14:45] non non minorityowned who who stand to
[01:14:47] financially benefit. What role do they
[01:14:49] play in this as a co-conspirator?
[01:14:54] >> I I think it really depends on each on
[01:14:57] kind of each contract and whether or not
[01:14:59] maybe there's somebody in that company
[01:15:00] who says, "Oh, I found this buddy and
[01:15:02] they might even be part of of this is my
[01:15:05] person that's sitting there at the there
[01:15:07] or it could be as simple as they met him
[01:15:09] as a at a cocktail hour." But they're
[01:15:12] not fighting it. Congress has to do
[01:15:13] something. It's actually one of the
[01:15:14] reasons I'm, you know, amongst the many
[01:15:16] things I I'm actually running for
[01:15:18] Congress in Iowa now. But, uh, these are
[01:15:20] things that are going to also have to be
[01:15:22] stopped in Congress where they say we're
[01:15:24] not forcing these allocations. So, I
[01:15:26] think Congress is culpable. I think
[01:15:28] these companies are culpable. Uh, and I
[01:15:31] just I think everybody along this
[01:15:33] structure is playing into it and
[01:15:35] laughing all the way.
[01:15:36] >> How about if the congressman wives are
[01:15:37] benefiting from all this racket? Let's
[01:15:39] go stress wives.
[01:15:42] Let's Let's expose the whole Let's go
[01:15:45] Let's go expose the whole disease
[01:15:46] temple.
[01:15:48] >> Not just that. Not just we're going to
[01:15:50] record the congressman wives who buy
[01:15:52] their drapes and their and their Audi's
[01:15:54] and their [ __ ] I mean, you take
[01:15:57] none of this when you die. By the way,
[01:15:59] um you you hurt people and you commit
[01:16:02] fraud so you can buy an Audi.
[01:16:06] We're going to stain the congressman
[01:16:07] wives. But what's more important than
[01:16:10] recording the congressman and wives
[01:16:11] bragging about all their fraud and graft
[01:16:14] is I call upon whistleblowers in
[01:16:16] Accenture. Whistleblowers in McKenzie
[01:16:19] and company to come forward. That's
[01:16:21] right. If you and by the way this is
[01:16:23] these are large companies. If you were
[01:16:25] they they can you put up that Accenture?
[01:16:27] This is remarkable. Accenture the sub
[01:16:30] for ATI took down their tweets. This is
[01:16:33] huge. They're they're afraid. They're
[01:16:36] scared.
[01:16:38] They're scared of you
[01:16:41] and they're scared of Scott, the
[01:16:43] Treasury, Secretary of Treasury, Scott
[01:16:44] Bessett. Accenture has protected their
[01:16:47] tweets. I want people within Accenture
[01:16:49] to come forward.
[01:16:52] We're going to expose you. If you're
[01:16:54] lying, cheating, or stealing, or
[01:16:56] scamming the American taxpayer, the
[01:16:58] person sitting next to you might be
[01:17:00] wearing a hidden camera. It'll either be
[01:17:02] me in some ridiculous disguise because
[01:17:04] you're too incompetent and greedy and
[01:17:07] pride comes before the fall that you
[01:17:09] won't even know that it's a disguise,
[01:17:10] but it'll probably be more advanced next
[01:17:12] time. Um,
[01:17:15] sitting here today, I'm telling you that
[01:17:16] I'm going to meet with an Accenture
[01:17:17] person and catch them doing this. But in
[01:17:19] addition to that, I want people within
[01:17:21] Accenture to contact me on Signal. It's
[01:17:24] on all over my social media profiles or
[01:17:25] or call on our number and we will speak.
[01:17:27] we we will speak to you and we will we
[01:17:30] will set this up. We're going to expose
[01:17:32] um the Accenture people bragging about
[01:17:34] the fraud they're involved in. This is
[01:17:35] now criminal behavior. And I want to
[01:17:38] remind people who Accenture is. They're
[01:17:40] the firm who had to rebrand from Arthur
[01:17:42] Anderson after they were behind the
[01:17:44] Enron. Maybe you don't remember that 20
[01:17:47] years ago. Accenture had to rebrand
[01:17:49] their firm after the Enron scandal. The
[01:17:52] company is like it seems like the
[01:17:54] company's cursed.
[01:17:56] Um, the fact that they locked down their
[01:17:57] ex accounts after this came out is
[01:18:00] extremely incriminating. Question, what
[01:18:02] is what is Accenture hiding?
[01:18:05] Now guys, I want you to know we're
[01:18:06] really getting to the belly of the beast
[01:18:07] here. I've been doing this for for, you
[01:18:09] know, since I was in college, but since
[01:18:10] 2008 in a major way. Planned Parenthood,
[01:18:12] Acorn, Fizer, FBI, Black Rockck,
[01:18:14] Blackstone,
[01:18:16] we've exposed everything. This is a
[01:18:18] different level now. Um, and I want to
[01:18:20] call for whistleblowers, especially
[01:18:22] inside Eccentra and McKenzie, to come
[01:18:25] forward to me. We will tell your story,
[01:18:28] shooting the messenger. You will surely
[01:18:31] suffer some level of harassment or
[01:18:32] retribution for blowing the whistle
[01:18:34] because the bureaucracy instinctively
[01:18:36] tends to eliminate anything that
[01:18:38] perceives as a threat. Now, usually that
[01:18:40] bureaucracy is is the SBA itself.
[01:18:42] Usually that bureaucracy is the
[01:18:43] Department of Justice. They raided me.
[01:18:45] The FBI raided me and they released a
[01:18:47] completely redacted affidavit. Now, the
[01:18:49] Department of Justice is on our side.
[01:18:51] The SBA is on our side, and the
[01:18:53] Secretary of the Treasury, Scott
[01:18:54] Bessett, is on our side. We have a
[01:18:56] couple more minutes left. Let's um
[01:18:59] let's play that SI one more time of the
[01:19:03] first few minutes of Melain Cromwell.
[01:19:05] For those of you tuning in, we're going
[01:19:06] to post this to the internet. This is my
[01:19:07] conversation with Meline, who may become
[01:19:09] a whistleblower herself. That's right.
[01:19:12] The person that we recorded might turn
[01:19:14] against for Mitch Crutchfield. If we
[01:19:16] could load that up in the in the uh
[01:19:18] video. My name is James O'Keefe. I'm an
[01:19:22] investig I'm an investigative reporter.
[01:19:24] >> Sir, have them turn off your cameras.
[01:19:26] I'm going to get in the car and go.
[01:19:27] >> Okay. We're talking about hundreds of
[01:19:29] millions of dollars of abuse of taxpayer
[01:19:31] dollars. It would be unethical for me
[01:19:34] not to go undercover and expose this
[01:19:36] filth, this smut, this disgusting
[01:19:39] illegal behavior.
[01:19:40] >> And I agree with no no. No, no, no, no,
[01:19:43] no, no. It's about hundreds of millions
[01:19:45] of dollars of taxpayer cash that is
[01:19:47] being stolen from the American people.
[01:19:49] >> You're absolutely right.
[01:19:50] >> This is not about ratings, ma'am.
[01:19:51] >> You're absolutely right.
[01:19:52] >> And my question for you is, why didn't
[01:19:55] you bring up that this is illegal?
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[01:22:57] >> Sir, have them turn off your cameras or
[01:22:58] I'm going to get in the car and go.
[01:23:00] >> Okay, we're talking about hundreds of
[01:23:02] millions of dollars of abuse of taxpayer
[01:23:04] dollars. It would be unethical for me
[01:23:06] not to go undercover and expose this
[01:23:09] filth, this smut, this disgusting
[01:23:12] illegal behavior.
[01:23:13] >> Ratings and I agree with
[01:23:14] >> No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. It's
[01:23:16] about hundreds of millions of dollars of
[01:23:18] taxpayer cash that is being stolen from
[01:23:21] the American people.
[01:23:21] >> You're absolutely right.
[01:23:22] >> This is not about ratings, ma'am.
[01:23:24] >> You're absolutely right.
[01:23:25] >> And my question for you is, why didn't
[01:23:28] you bring up that this is illegal?
[01:23:41] >> My name is James O'Keefe.
[01:23:45] I don't know.
[01:23:51] >> So with me is the Do we have the clips?
[01:23:55] Where are they?
[01:23:55] >> Yeah.
[01:23:56] >> Sit back and collect my percentage. Is
[01:23:58] that in that clip you sent me?
[01:24:01] >> Yeah.
[01:24:03] That that works.
[01:24:06] >> They do the majority of it.
[01:24:07] >> So we we do about 20% of the
[01:24:10] >> we take off the wig kind of a thing.
[01:24:12] >> Yeah.
[01:24:13] >> Be a little discreet. Come on in. Bring
[01:24:15] it in a little bit.
[01:24:17] >> This is how we do it at OMG. We're
[01:24:20] undercover at the Epstein protest. We're
[01:24:22] in the depositions during the day in
[01:24:24] federal court with the FBI agents. And
[01:24:27] now we're going in disguise, changing
[01:24:29] pants in the back of parking lot. This
[01:24:32] is what This is a day in the life of
[01:24:34] James O'Keeffe.
[01:24:40] Okay, let me see.
[01:24:42] Okay.
[01:24:50] Wait, wait.
[01:24:53] >> Hello.
[01:24:54] >> Hi there.
[01:24:55] >> How are you?
[01:24:56] >> So, we have some news for you here.
[01:24:58] Okay. Okay.
[01:24:58] >> So, we are actually um we're actually
[01:25:02] investigative reporters.
[01:25:04] >> We're investigative reporters.
[01:25:05] >> Are you serious?
[01:25:06] >> And we've done an undercover
[01:25:07] investigation on ATI. Mhm.
[01:25:10] >> We're not actually here to buy catering
[01:25:13] from you.
[01:25:14] >> Okay.
[01:25:14] >> Um, my name is James O'Keefe.
[01:25:18] >> I'm an investig I'm an investigative
[01:25:20] reporter and you you're on video,
[01:25:23] >> sir. Have them turn off your cameras or
[01:25:24] I'm going to get in the car and go.
[01:25:25] >> Okay.
[01:25:32] >> Now that we have the cameras rolling,
[01:25:34] I'd love to show you some of these this
[01:25:36] footage.
[01:25:36] >> So, we we do about 20% of the work. So
[01:25:39] ATI do 20% and those subcontractors do
[01:25:42] like 80% of the work.
[01:25:43] >> 80% of the work. Wow.
[01:25:44] >> I can say in my opinion that the
[01:25:47] contracts that I feel were signed felt
[01:25:50] like we weren't doing 51% of the work
[01:25:53] and I never
[01:25:54] >> What were you doing less than 51%.
[01:25:56] >> In my opinion. Yeah.
[01:25:57] >> Well, 20 is a lot less than 51.
[01:25:58] >> That that I felt like we I was saying
[01:26:00] that in a general context.
[01:26:02] >> This is juicy gossip. I love it.
[01:26:05] >> This is not God. So ATI 20%. I know a
[01:26:10] subcontractor you got 80%.
[01:26:11] >> 80%.
[01:26:13] >> That's all my opinion,
[01:26:14] >> right? I don't know if we want to share.
[01:26:15] They do all the work.
[01:26:17] >> No.
[01:26:17] >> Why were you whispering?
[01:26:19] >> Because it's illegal to do less than
[01:26:21] 51%. I'm affirming that we don't want
[01:26:24] people to know this cuz it's illegal.
[01:26:27] And you emphatically respond, "No, we
[01:26:29] don't want to share it." No. No.
[01:26:30] >> Oh, okay. What?
[01:26:31] >> You're whispering. Yeah.
[01:26:32] >> You don't want people to know this.
[01:26:34] Yeah. I would assume firmage wouldn't
[01:26:36] want people to know that if that in fact
[01:26:38] were the case.
[01:26:39] >> Was there some rules or something that
[01:26:40] you were telling me about like that you
[01:26:41] have to report 51%
[01:26:43] >> 51%
[01:26:44] >> 51 on paper.
[01:26:45] >> Correct.
[01:26:46] >> Right.
[01:26:46] >> 51% on paper. Is that your opinion
[01:26:49] >> of of when you're doing um set aside?
[01:26:53] >> Correct.
[01:26:53] >> Uh yes. You have to be 51% during the
[01:26:56] work.
[01:26:56] >> Is that your opinion or is that a fact?
[01:26:58] >> No, that's a fact.
[01:26:58] >> Okay, perfect.
[01:26:59] >> But in reality,
[01:27:01] >> right? Exactly.
[01:27:02] >> Exactly.
[01:27:02] >> Yep. As long as it's on paper.
[01:27:04] >> As long as it's on paper.
[01:27:05] >> 51%. You're good to go.
[01:27:07] >> You know. Exactly. You seem to
[01:27:10] acknowledge
[01:27:12] >> Mhm.
[01:27:12] >> that sometimes in reality is different
[01:27:15] than what's on paper.
[01:27:18] >> Okay.
[01:27:18] >> You seem to acknowledge that.
[01:27:20] >> I'm sorry.
[01:27:20] >> That's what you felt when
[01:27:21] >> I'm I'm quoting you. I'm showing you.
[01:27:24] Watch.
[01:27:25] >> Right.
[01:27:26] >> But you're saying, but in reality, what
[01:27:28] does that mean to me?
[01:27:28] >> As long as it's on paper%,
[01:27:31] >> you're good to go. Because on paper it's
[01:27:33] 51%. Right.
[01:27:34] >> But in reality you had said 20%.
[01:27:38] >> So we we do about 20% of the work.
[01:27:41] >> So ATI do 20%. And the subcontractor do
[01:27:44] like 80%.
[01:27:45] >> 80% of the work.
[01:27:46] >> Wow. I
[01:27:46] >> I feel like we were talking in general
[01:27:48] there. I don't know that I was speaking
[01:27:50] specifically for ATI.
[01:27:51] >> Mhm.
[01:27:51] >> But yes, on paper because it's a
[01:27:53] contract. If you have to be doing 50%
[01:27:56] 51% of the work for it to be to be
[01:27:59] awarded a set aside
[01:28:00] >> even though it's 20% here
[01:28:03] >> do the majority of it.
[01:28:04] >> So we we do about 20% of the work.
[01:28:07] >> So
[01:28:07] >> yeah that's my opinion.
[01:28:08] >> We you Yeah.
[01:28:10] >> This is fact. This is not gossip. That's
[01:28:12] my opinion.
[01:28:13] >> It's interesting how it conveniently
[01:28:15] becomes your opinion when it's illegal.
[01:28:17] >> Conveniently. No, because I was never
[01:28:19] involved in any contract major meetings
[01:28:22] that they had where contracts were
[01:28:23] already executed.
[01:28:24] >> So, so anyway, so are you familiar with
[01:28:26] the case of this Supreme Court case
[01:28:30] versus the United States falsely
[01:28:31] claiming compliance with disadvantages
[01:28:32] business enterprise requirements?
[01:28:34] Basically, what it means is that this
[01:28:35] 51% thing is very serious and you know
[01:28:38] there could be an indictment here.
[01:28:39] >> Yeah.
[01:28:40] >> Are you aware that Fermage Crutchfield
[01:28:42] or ATI was doing anything illegal?
[01:28:44] >> I can't say that I was aware of it. Um,
[01:28:47] I can say that when they had uh
[01:28:50] meetings, any meetings for that matter
[01:28:52] regarding contracts on a high level,
[01:28:54] lower level, whatever, I was hired as
[01:28:57] their contracts manager. I was never
[01:28:59] involved in any of those meetings.
[01:29:00] >> And that that chief financial officer
[01:29:02] being married to the
[01:29:05] >> I don't know if they're married yet.
[01:29:06] >> They're engaged.
[01:29:07] >> Engaged.
[01:29:08] >> And she says, "Melena, you don't know
[01:29:10] this, but
[01:29:12] I are engaged." I was like like, "Oh,
[01:29:14] congratulations." Right.
[01:29:16] >> If you're married to the CFO,
[01:29:19] >> my manager, who do I come to if I'm
[01:29:22] having difficulties with the C CEO,
[01:29:24] getting information from the CEO, but
[01:29:26] that's your soon to be h h h h h h h h h
[01:29:27] h h h h h h h h h h h husband or wife.
[01:29:28] How can I really get true help with
[01:29:31] anything that that I may want to bring
[01:29:33] to the organization's attention
[01:29:36] >> if my management chain is married?
[01:29:39] >> That's hard. What I'll employ you to do
[01:29:41] and what you you stated before the
[01:29:43] cameras roll is that you spoke to other
[01:29:45] employees to
[01:29:47] >> they don't know they were on camera.
[01:29:48] >> So So the thing about journalism is
[01:29:50] whether it's one 2 5 10 30 people it's
[01:29:52] about the truth
[01:29:54] >> cuz my job is to get to the truth. We
[01:29:56] felt since you brought it up repeatedly
[01:29:57] that the only way for us to get to this
[01:29:59] truth was to do this the way that we did
[01:30:01] >> since I brought one up repeatedly. Why
[01:30:03] you coming out with cameras and
[01:30:05] >> Yeah, because that's you or honey than
[01:30:07] vinegar is what you said.
[01:30:08] >> You guys played you get more beans with
[01:30:10] honey, right? But you guys played it up,
[01:30:12] made me waste my time and give you a
[01:30:14] catering proposal.
[01:30:15] >> Is it a waste of time the taxpayers's
[01:30:17] money? No, don't go there. Don't go
[01:30:18] there. Don't do that.
[01:30:20] >> That's my words.
[01:30:20] >> No, I'm asking you a question.
[01:30:22] >> Taxpayer, too. You got a wig in your
[01:30:24] hand. You're coming up. That That does
[01:30:26] nothing but upset people.
[01:30:27] >> Right. If you want to get someone that's
[01:30:29] unethical, do what you're doing. Again,
[01:30:31] I'm I'm I'm
[01:30:33] think American people are pissed off
[01:30:36] about the fraud
[01:30:37] >> that you and I'm not saying that you're
[01:30:39] a bad person. You got your you got
[01:30:41] yourself caught up maybe with some bad
[01:30:43] people, but unfortunately, we're talking
[01:30:45] about hundreds of millions of dollars of
[01:30:48] abuse of taxpayer dollars. And we're
[01:30:50] talking about a wig and a pair of
[01:30:51] glasses. Come on. It would be unethical
[01:30:54] for me not to go undercover and expose
[01:30:57] this filth, this smut, this disgusting
[01:31:00] illegal behavior.
[01:31:01] >> Ratings and I agree with you.
[01:31:02] >> No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's
[01:31:05] about hundreds of millions of dollars of
[01:31:06] taxpayer cash that is being stolen from
[01:31:09] the American people.
[01:31:10] >> You're absolutely right.
[01:31:11] >> This is not about ratings, ma'am.
[01:31:12] >> You're absolutely right.
[01:31:13] >> This this is this is called a mic. And
[01:31:16] the problem is if I go up to someone and
[01:31:17] be like, "Hey, what do you tell me about
[01:31:20] do you do? Do you break the law?" No,
[01:31:22] >> they're they're not going to be like,
[01:31:23] "Yes, we only do half the work."
[01:31:25] >> Tell you my opinion on that.
[01:31:27] >> I don't want your opinion. I want the
[01:31:28] truth.
[01:31:29] >> The truth does matter. But if you're
[01:31:30] going to end up talking to an employee
[01:31:32] that loses a job the next day and now
[01:31:34] they're on the street, that's the
[01:31:36] hesitancy of normal people. I don't have
[01:31:38] to worry about them firing me. I'm
[01:31:40] already fired. I'm good.
[01:31:42] >> Lost in the the the 90minute
[01:31:45] conversation you had you and I had at
[01:31:47] that dinner table is any semblance of
[01:31:49] right and wrong. There was no morality.
[01:31:52] No, and I'll play the raw tape. There
[01:31:54] was no ethics. There was no discussion
[01:31:56] about
[01:31:56] >> preaching to the fire.
[01:31:57] >> Yes. But here's the problem I have with
[01:31:59] that.
[01:32:00] >> You didn't bring up any ethical
[01:32:02] considerations. You didn't say this is
[01:32:04] wrong. You just proceeded to talk. And
[01:32:08] my question for you is why didn't you
[01:32:10] bring up that this is illegal?
[01:32:17] >> One, it's my opinion. I can't say
[01:32:20] they're doing anything illegal if I
[01:32:22] wasn't involved in anything to visually
[01:32:25] see that. Oh my god, this is illegal,
[01:32:28] right? I can only give my opinion and
[01:32:30] what I felt when I was there. This is
[01:32:33] fact. This is not gossip.
[01:32:35] >> Okay, you can turn that off now. You got
[01:32:36] enough. You're good. Right. That's
[01:32:38] getting ridiculous. But let's talk about
[01:32:39] that.
[01:32:40] >> Okay. All right.
[01:32:41] >> Turn off. You understand all?
[01:32:44] >> So, you know, we spoke to Meline. Um,
[01:32:47] it's kind of unclear just how villainous
[01:32:50] she is. She definitely participated and
[01:32:53] seemed to go along with a lot of the
[01:32:55] comments and I tried to call her out on
[01:32:57] a lot of her arguments that it's just
[01:32:59] her opinion that no, no, no, she doesn't
[01:33:02] like our undercover methods. I talked to
[01:33:04] her in the parking lot at length for
[01:33:06] about an hour and a half. Malay is
[01:33:09] attempting as I speak here right now to
[01:33:12] get us in touch with other people that
[01:33:14] work at ATI, including the CEO. Has made
[01:33:16] the attempt to try to get in touch with
[01:33:18] the CEO to cooperate with our
[01:33:21] investigation to expose what's really
[01:33:24] happening inside ATI.
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