Ron Paul’s Warnings Have Come True: Rising Debt, Endless War & Economic Collapse

[00:00:00] If you can judge a man by his enemies, [00:00:03] former Congressman Ron Paul of Texas, [00:00:06] the long retired obstitrician, the [00:00:09] 90-year-old three-time member of [00:00:11] Congress and three-time presidential [00:00:13] candidate, is a very, very good man [00:00:17] because he has the best enemies. Here, [00:00:20] for example, is an exchange between [00:00:23] Jeffrey Epstein and one of his friends. [00:00:26] This takes place in early 2012 when [00:00:30] there is conversation as there pretty [00:00:32] much always is in the United States over [00:00:34] the last 30 years about when and how we [00:00:36] should bomb Iran. Bomb Iran. And [00:00:39] Epstein's friend's friend writes to him [00:00:41] this. During an election year, everyone [00:00:43] in Congress is falling all over [00:00:45] themselves to show support for Israel [00:00:47] except for that dinkish Ron Paul. [00:00:52] Ron Paul. [00:00:55] Yeah. Jeffrey Epste and his friends did [00:00:57] not like Ron Paul. But what's not to [00:00:59] like about Ron Paul. Ron Paul is, and [00:01:03] you're going to see him speak in just a [00:01:05] moment, probably one of the most [00:01:06] manifestly decent men ever to serve in [00:01:10] the Congress. Married to the same woman [00:01:12] since 1957, beloved by his children, [00:01:14] grandchildren, now great grandchildren. [00:01:17] A man who spends his spare time riding [00:01:18] his bicycle and tending roses. A person [00:01:21] who has articulated the principles of [00:01:23] non-violence throughout his entire [00:01:25] public career. A guy who thinks that it [00:01:27] is not just unfashionable but totally [00:01:30] immoral to judge people on the basis of [00:01:32] their blood. Who thinks racism and [00:01:35] anti-semitism are anti-Christian. Guy [00:01:37] has never said a single thing against a [00:01:40] group ever. Not once. In short, a [00:01:43] thoroughly decent man of principle. Why [00:01:46] does everyone hate Ron Paul? Well, there [00:01:48] are a couple reasons. In fact, I [00:01:49] personally discovered this way back in [00:01:52] 2007 when I covered Ron Paul. He was [00:01:55] running for president that year. I'd [00:01:58] actually voted for him 19 years before [00:02:00] in 1988 in college for president. I knew [00:02:02] nothing about him, but it seemed like an [00:02:04] amusing protest vote. He was running as [00:02:06] a libertarian then. But fast forward to [00:02:08] 2007, he was running in the 2008 [00:02:11] presidential campaign. And I thought, [00:02:13] "This guy looks kind of interesting." I [00:02:14] really didn't know much about him. So I [00:02:16] went on the road with him for a week and [00:02:18] I wrote a long profile for the New [00:02:21] Republic magazine. I was working in [00:02:22] television, but I thought it was it's [00:02:23] kind of interesting to write magazine [00:02:24] stories again. So I did and I learned a [00:02:27] couple of things about Ron Paul. One, as [00:02:30] noted, enormously nice person, gentle [00:02:34] temperament, decent, not flashy, not [00:02:36] greedy, not dishonest. [00:02:39] Two, I learned that Ron Paul is very [00:02:42] sincere about monetary policy. Paul [00:02:45] would give these stemwinders about fiat [00:02:49] currency and the gold standard and why [00:02:53] the Fed was a scam and he drew enormous [00:02:55] crowds at least relative to the topic. [00:02:58] Now, at the time, again, this was 19 [00:02:59] years ago, no one was talking about the [00:03:02] gold standard in public and getting [00:03:04] anything but laughter and jeers. You [00:03:07] were a gold bug. You were insane. You [00:03:09] were a [00:03:11] Gold wasn't even a topic. If you could [00:03:14] check the transcripts from CNBC for the [00:03:16] year 2007, [00:03:18] gold probably not even mentioned. [00:03:22] It seemed crazy to care about monetary [00:03:25] policy then, but Ron Paul did and his [00:03:29] audiences responded. That was the first [00:03:32] thing I noticed. I had no idea this was [00:03:34] a resident issue. I knew nothing about [00:03:36] it, so I assumed since I lived in [00:03:38] Washington and was pretty well informed [00:03:39] that no one else knew anything about it [00:03:41] either, but I was wrong. [00:03:44] Tens of thousands, hundreds of [00:03:45] thousands, in the end, millions of [00:03:47] Americans were thinking about the [00:03:50] stability and the strength of the US [00:03:52] dollar. And they were convinced that [00:03:55] excessive money printing [00:03:58] since the early 1970s when the dollar [00:04:01] was detached from gold, which is to say [00:04:03] from reality, when it became a purely [00:04:05] fiat currency redeemable for nothing. [00:04:08] They were convinced that the US dollar [00:04:09] was weaker than their leaders said it [00:04:12] was. [00:04:14] And they knew this because the price of [00:04:16] goods they bought every week seemed to [00:04:18] be going up over time and no one was [00:04:21] mentioning it or the goods themselves [00:04:23] are becoming smaller. There was [00:04:25] shrinkage. This is a well-known [00:04:27] phenomenon now. Back in 2007, people [00:04:29] weren't talking about it quite as quite [00:04:31] as much. [00:04:33] If you were 37 [00:04:36] in 2007, [00:04:39] when you were in first grade in this [00:04:40] country, a Snickers bar cost 20. [00:04:45] By 2007, it cost nearly a dollar and it [00:04:48] was smaller. In that and countless other [00:04:51] ways, it was obvious that actually this [00:04:53] currency wasn't worth what they told us [00:04:56] it was, and it was becoming worth less. [00:05:00] and only Ron Paul was talking about that [00:05:04] and he was making a number of other [00:05:05] points too. One was that the United [00:05:07] States wasn't actually deriving any [00:05:09] benefit from all of these foreign wars [00:05:12] that it just wasn't helping us at all [00:05:15] and that in the end maybe violence isn't [00:05:17] the solution. [00:05:19] He wasn't making hostile points. He [00:05:21] certainly wasn't attacking anyone. He [00:05:23] was merely saying this foreign policy, [00:05:26] the foreign policy that led us into say [00:05:28] the Iraq war and into Syria and into [00:05:30] Libya and into Vietnam for that matter, [00:05:34] isn't helping our country. It's [00:05:36] incredibly wasteful of money and human [00:05:38] lives and it doesn't bring the result [00:05:40] they claim it does. And that's basically [00:05:43] all Ron Paul said. He mostly wanted to [00:05:45] talk about monetary policy and gold. But [00:05:48] for the crime of saying what he said [00:05:51] about foreign policy, he was truly [00:05:53] hated. And the word went out, time to [00:05:55] discredit Ron Paul. Well, I had no idea [00:05:57] any of this was going on until I filed [00:05:59] my story to the New Republic at the end [00:06:01] of 2007. [00:06:03] And it was kind of skeptical but amused [00:06:06] and affectionate. I liked Ron Paul. Who [00:06:08] wouldn't like Ron Paul? What a nice man. [00:06:12] I didn't understand some of what he was [00:06:13] saying. I didn't agree with other parts [00:06:15] of it, but it wasn't hostile. It was [00:06:17] kind of detached and amused and [00:06:19] sometimes beused. So I file it and the [00:06:22] editor says, "Oh, I like the story. Good [00:06:24] job. We're done." Then two days later, I [00:06:27] got a call from that very same editor of [00:06:29] The New Republic who said, "We have a [00:06:31] problem." Ron Paul, it turns out, is a [00:06:35] racist and an anti-semite. And I said, [00:06:38] "Really? [00:06:40] I'm not working for Ron Paul. I've got [00:06:42] no emotional attachment to the campaign, [00:06:44] but he didn't seem like a bigot to me. [00:06:46] He seemed like a nice Christian man. Oh [00:06:49] no, the editor said, "We sent out a [00:06:51] reporter called Jamie Kerchek, a recent [00:06:54] Yale graduate and a fervid [00:06:56] neoconservative, to go check into Ron [00:06:58] Paul's background, and it turns out that [00:07:01] he had newsletters back in the 1980s [00:07:04] that used racist terms, and we think [00:07:06] he's an anti-semite based on his foreign [00:07:08] policy." [00:07:10] I said, "Okay." And so then the author [00:07:12] of that piece, Jamie Kerch, called me [00:07:14] and kind of grilled me. you spend time [00:07:15] with this man, this bigot [00:07:18] said Jamie Kerchett [00:07:20] occupying the moral high ground [00:07:22] immediately. I said, I've got nothing to [00:07:24] do with that. I didn't hear Ron Paul say [00:07:26] anything about it [00:07:28] and they tried to kill my peace, but I [00:07:31] pushed hard and it ran at the very end [00:07:33] of 2007. Not that anyone cares. It's the [00:07:36] New Republic. It has a readership of [00:07:37] like 1900 people, but I cared since I [00:07:39] wrote the piece. And then the very next [00:07:42] issue, the first issue of 2008 [00:07:44] and a cover story by Jamie Kerchek on [00:07:47] how you may have reached the wrong [00:07:49] conclusion about Ron Paul in the last [00:07:51] issue. ACTUALLY, THE GUY'S A RACIST, AN [00:07:55] ANTI-SEMITE, probably can't prove it, [00:07:57] but of course he is. [00:07:59] White Christian guy, right-winger. The [00:08:02] piece was actually called Angry White [00:08:04] Man, written about the least angry white [00:08:07] man this country's ever produced. People [00:08:10] have called Ron Paul many things and [00:08:12] some of them may be true. Angry they've [00:08:13] never called him because he's definitely [00:08:15] not angry as you're about to see. But [00:08:18] they went out of their way and by they I [00:08:20] mean organized neoonservatives to smear [00:08:23] Ron Paul not simply as wrong on the [00:08:26] issues. In fact not as wrong on the [00:08:28] issues. They didn't bother to engage on [00:08:29] the issue philosophically or practically [00:08:32] but wrong as a person. Unacceptable. You [00:08:35] are not allowed to like Ron PAUL BECAUSE [00:08:37] HE'S BAD. He's Nazi adjacent. [00:08:41] In fact, his family may be German. [00:08:46] That was 2008. By the time Ron Paul, [00:08:49] totally undeterred, by the way, ran for [00:08:51] president again in 2012, they were [00:08:55] foaming at the mouth. Not because the [00:08:56] Ron Paul movement had become huge or [00:08:58] inevitable. He was never in danger of [00:09:00] being elected president, but because his [00:09:03] decency itself was his calling card. Ron [00:09:06] Paul was clearly not a bad person no [00:09:08] matter what they said about him and his [00:09:10] ideas made a kind of inherent sense. [00:09:12] There was a coherence to his worldview [00:09:14] and that was a massive threat to the [00:09:17] members of our media and commentariat [00:09:19] who'd like to use your tax dollars to [00:09:20] fight wars on behalf of Israel. That is [00:09:22] just a fact. And so the reaction to Ron [00:09:25] Paul in that campaign was how to put it [00:09:29] over the top. For example, here was a [00:09:32] young Ben Shapiro live tweeting a [00:09:35] Republican debate that year that [00:09:36] included Ron Paul. We'll quote selected [00:09:40] portions. Quote, Ron Paul is manifestly [00:09:44] insane, wrote a young Ben Shapiro who [00:09:48] somehow got into Harvard. You wonder [00:09:49] how. As in previous debates, he's now [00:09:52] gripping the pen as he would the neck of [00:09:55] a Jew. [00:09:57] Imagine [00:09:59] writing that about somebody accusing [00:10:01] someone of wanting to murder, in fact [00:10:04] strangle to death, quote, a Jew. [00:10:07] That's a pretty serious thing to say [00:10:09] about a person. In fact, that's slander. [00:10:12] And on what basis did a young Ben [00:10:15] Shapiro of Harvard, [00:10:18] fresh off his deal with Facebook, which [00:10:20] he got somehow, on what basis did he [00:10:23] make such a claim? Well, unnone. [00:10:27] Ron Paul never attacked the Jews. Has [00:10:29] never attacked the Jews. I bet my house [00:10:31] Ron Paul has never had an unpleasant [00:10:32] thought about the Jews or anyone else. [00:10:35] Again, you'll judge for yourself in just [00:10:37] a moment. But that played no role in Ben [00:10:41] Shapiro's slander. Again, this is [00:10:45] December 15th, 2011. Ben Shapiro live [00:10:48] tweeting. Gingrich almost drops his pen. [00:10:51] Ron Paul grabs it and rings it like the [00:10:53] neck of a Jew. [00:10:55] Rick Perry had the memorable moments of [00:10:58] the evening other than Ron Paul's corpse [00:11:00] leaning toward the grave and strangling [00:11:02] the Jews. [00:11:04] Again, Ron Paul says sentiment is mixed [00:11:07] about Israel and taking action against [00:11:09] Iran. Um, does Ron Paul know a Jew? [00:11:14] You can go check the transcript. [00:11:15] Probably unlikely Ron Paul used the word [00:11:17] Jew. He wasn't talking about Jews. He [00:11:20] was talking about the nation state of [00:11:22] Israel, the secular country with borders [00:11:24] and a military and a government and a [00:11:26] very sophisticated lobbying arm of which [00:11:28] Ben Shapiro was a part trying to get the [00:11:31] US taxpayer to foot the bill for another [00:11:32] one of its wars. It's that simple. And [00:11:34] he objected and everyone else on stage [00:11:36] of course was for it. New Gingrich [00:11:37] obediently getting behind Israel as [00:11:39] always. He knows who pays the bills. But [00:11:42] Ron Paul who doesn't really care about [00:11:44] money and doesn't believe in fiat money [00:11:45] anyway standing apart independently [00:11:47] saying I don't think this is a good [00:11:48] idea. and Ben Shapiro among many others [00:11:52] attacking him [00:11:55] as an anti-semite. [00:11:57] Whoa. Our new partner dose is a way [00:12:00] better option than big pharma. That's [00:12:03] not damning with vain breaks. 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In fact, it's been in play [00:13:29] every single time anyone in the [00:13:32] professional commentariat dares to [00:13:34] question the military alliance between [00:13:37] the United States and this foreign [00:13:38] country and the wars that the United [00:13:40] States is fighting on its behalf. that [00:13:42] is somehow an attack on an entire [00:13:45] religion or on an entire people. That of [00:13:48] course is slander. It's untrue. It will [00:13:52] inevitably get people killed when you [00:13:54] say that, but they say it anyway because [00:13:56] it's effective. [00:13:58] So, they hated Ron Paul. And a big part [00:14:01] of the reason is because he opposed [00:14:04] their wars. But there's another reason. [00:14:06] It wasn't just on foreign policy that [00:14:08] Ron Paul made people mad. What really [00:14:11] enraged [00:14:14] the entire [00:14:16] Washington DC commentary class about Ron [00:14:20] Paul is that he was right. [00:14:23] Not that he was lying, not that he was [00:14:24] hateful, not that he was a secret racist [00:14:26] or Nazi. All untrue, but they wouldn't [00:14:30] care if those things were true. What [00:14:32] really made them mad is that Ron Paul [00:14:35] precisely, crisply, and honestly [00:14:38] diagnosed the problem and predicted the [00:14:41] result years in advance. Ron Paul in [00:14:44] political terms is what we call a [00:14:46] prophet. [00:14:47] And if there's one thing we know about [00:14:49] prophets is that they usually get stoned [00:14:52] to death by angry crowds. In fact, [00:14:54] almost always. People hate being told [00:14:58] the truth about future events, [00:15:00] particularly when they're implicated in [00:15:01] the causes of those disasters. They just [00:15:03] hate it. Nobody wants to hear about how [00:15:05] they're on the wrong path. And so people [00:15:07] who call it early are 100% of the time [00:15:11] hated for it. They're not rewarded. [00:15:13] They're not given some prize. There's no [00:15:14] Nobel Prize for predicting the future. [00:15:18] There's only a jail sentence or slander [00:15:20] from Ben Shapiro and Jeffrey Ebstein's [00:15:23] friends, the New Republic and the rest [00:15:26] of the liars. And Ron Paul of all [00:15:30] observers of American society may have [00:15:33] gotten it more precisely right than [00:15:36] anyone. And if you don't believe it, [00:15:38] here's a selection of Ron Paul [00:15:41] predictions from 2002. [00:15:44] Keep in mind that was almost 25 years [00:15:46] ago. and Ron Paul saw it clearly. Watch. [00:15:50] >> Mr. Speaker, our government intervention [00:15:53] in the economy, the private affairs of [00:15:55] citizens, and the internal affairs of [00:15:57] foreign countries leads to uncertainty [00:15:59] and many unintended consequences. Here [00:16:02] are some of the consequences about which [00:16:04] we should be concerned. [00:16:06] I predict US taxpayers will pay to [00:16:10] rebuild Palestine, both the West Bank [00:16:13] and the Gaza, as well as Afghan [00:16:16] Afghanistan. US taxpayers paid to bomb [00:16:19] these areas, so we will be expected to [00:16:22] rebuild them. [00:16:25] Peace of sorts will come to the Middle [00:16:27] East, but will be short-lived. There [00:16:29] will be big promises of more US money [00:16:31] and weapons flowing to Israel and to [00:16:33] Arab countries allied with the United [00:16:36] States. Federal Reserve policy will [00:16:38] continue at an expanding rate with [00:16:41] massive credit expansion which will make [00:16:44] the dollar crisis worse. Gold will be [00:16:46] seen as an alternative to paper money as [00:16:49] it returns to its historic role as [00:16:52] money. Military and police powers will [00:16:54] grow satisfying the conservatives. The [00:16:56] welfare state, both domestic and [00:16:59] international, will expand, satisfying [00:17:01] the liberals. Both sides will endorse [00:17:03] military adventurism overseas. During [00:17:06] the next decade, the American people [00:17:08] will become poorer and less free while [00:17:11] they become more dependent on the [00:17:12] government for economic security. [00:17:15] The war will be will prove to be [00:17:18] divisive with emotions and hatred [00:17:20] growing between the various factions and [00:17:22] special interests that drive our [00:17:24] policies in the Middle East. [00:17:26] agitation from more class warfare will [00:17:29] will succeed in dividing us [00:17:30] domestically. [00:17:32] And believe it or not, I expect [00:17:34] lobbyists will thrive more than ever [00:17:36] during the dangerous period of chaos. I [00:17:40] have no timetable for these predictions, [00:17:42] but just in case, keep them around and [00:17:44] look at them in 5 to 10 years. Let's [00:17:47] hope and pray that I'm wrong on all [00:17:49] accounts. H [00:17:52] >> it makes the hair on your arms go up. [00:17:55] Imagine [00:17:57] having a vision of the future that [00:17:59] precise. Would you be able to sleep? [00:18:00] Somehow Ron Paul has been able to. He's [00:18:02] 90 years old. You'll see in a second. [00:18:04] Looks like he's had a good night's sleep [00:18:06] in the last 24 hours. But those [00:18:08] predictions are so precise that it's [00:18:12] spooky. [00:18:13] He predicts massive credit expansion [00:18:16] before the global financial crisis. This [00:18:18] is 6 years before 2008. He predicts the [00:18:22] inevitable expansion in both military [00:18:24] adventurism [00:18:26] and domestic police powers. He predicts [00:18:29] that both sides will support this. He [00:18:31] predicts that the dollar will become [00:18:32] weaker and the gold will rise in [00:18:34] compensation. [00:18:36] He predicts every major trend of the [00:18:39] last 25 years [00:18:42] precisely. [00:18:44] And so you have to ask how did he do [00:18:46] that? He's not into witchcraft. He's a [00:18:48] conventional Protestant Christian. He [00:18:51] doesn't have a gypsy telling him the [00:18:54] future. No, instead he relies on [00:18:57] principles that he believes in and a [00:19:00] very simple moral framework. [00:19:03] Ron Paul is often described as a [00:19:05] libertarian, [00:19:07] but that both over and understates the [00:19:10] case. [00:19:11] In fact, Ron Paul is fundamentally a [00:19:14] moral voice. Ron Paul opposes lying, [00:19:18] stealing, cheating, and murder. It's [00:19:21] that simple. This isn't complex Joseph [00:19:25] Fletcher situational ethics. It's no [00:19:28] lying, stealing, cheating, and murder [00:19:31] are wrong. They're always wrong. They're [00:19:33] wrong when you do them. They're wrong [00:19:35] when the US government does them. [00:19:36] They're wrong when a client state in the [00:19:38] Middle East does them. They're always [00:19:39] wrong. Period. [00:19:42] That is Ron Paul's framework for the [00:19:44] world. That's his actual ideology. [00:19:48] And it turns out if you stick to that, [00:19:51] you can see the future pretty precisely. [00:19:53] So, the new year is here, but that does [00:19:55] not mean you've got to overhaul your [00:19:56] whole life. Despite claims to the [00:19:58] contrary, you don't have to take drastic [00:20:00] measures. Make a few changes here and [00:20:02] there, and you'll be a lot better off. [00:20:04] And you can start with the snacks in [00:20:05] your pantry. Now, products from standard [00:20:08] American chip brands are, let's be [00:20:10] honest, pretty repulsive, filled with [00:20:12] chemicals. 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So with that, we want [00:21:01] to show you a hourong interview we did [00:21:04] today with Ron Paul, who as we said is [00:21:06] 90 years old and he's in amazing shape. [00:21:09] More evidence that clean living and [00:21:11] clear thinking pay off over time. But we [00:21:15] also thought it would just be worth [00:21:16] pausing and saying congratulations Ron [00:21:18] Paul and shame on the rest of us. [00:21:22] Him for his genius and us for not [00:21:23] recognizing it at the time. And I'm [00:21:25] definitely in that category. But the key [00:21:27] to getting better is repenting. We're [00:21:29] going to repent of our skepticism of Ron [00:21:31] Paul's predictions. They have been [00:21:32] proven true. And now the man who [00:21:36] predicted them, Ron Paul. Congressman [00:21:39] Ron Paul, thank you very much for doing [00:21:41] this. I [00:21:42] >> It's great to be with you. [00:21:44] >> Oh gosh, it's it's an honor to have you. [00:21:46] Um, I remember traveling with you on a [00:21:49] campaign that you did in the fall of [00:21:52] 2007 [00:21:53] and you gave speeches about the Federal [00:21:56] Reserve and I remember thinking, I I [00:21:58] know nothing about the Federal Reserve. [00:22:00] I don't see how this is a big issue. I [00:22:02] was completely wrong. Um, how were you [00:22:06] able to tell almost 20 years ago that [00:22:08] monetary policy would determine the [00:22:10] future of the country? [00:22:12] Well, it's because I got fascinated with [00:22:14] this issue a long time ago and I studied [00:22:18] Austrian economics and uh they emphasize [00:22:21] these various things. They teach you to [00:22:24] think about uh the ramifications of [00:22:27] policy and they also warn us who are [00:22:31] involved not to try to protect the day [00:22:33] things are going to happen. Uh but [00:22:36] trends are very important and if you for [00:22:39] instance if you print too much money the [00:22:41] value of the money goes down and history [00:22:44] shows the history is very important [00:22:46] because countries have have have [00:22:49] practiced these issues and trying to get [00:22:52] a free lunch and you know they've been [00:22:54] doing it even before Roman days you know [00:22:56] of the abuse of the monetary system. So [00:22:59] monetary policy became fascinating with [00:23:02] me and it was especially emphasized you [00:23:05] know on August 15 1971 because the [00:23:09] predictions of Austrian economics uh [00:23:11] during the 60s when I was reading about [00:23:13] economics and especially economics mises [00:23:17] and hayak and others uh they they said [00:23:20] this would happen and that was when we [00:23:22] that was our first declaration of of of [00:23:25] bankruptcy. We said, "Yeah, we printed [00:23:27] money. We passed it out. We said it's as [00:23:29] good as gold, $35 an ounce." It was all [00:23:32] a fib. They knew they they they had to [00:23:35] know what a little bit about history, [00:23:37] but they always think this time is going [00:23:39] to be different. We're smarter than they [00:23:41] are. We have computers and they they [00:23:44] talking to themselves and they convince [00:23:46] themselves that they can get by and uh [00:23:49] and and and [00:23:51] keep the keep from the trouble that [00:23:53] printing money and right uh and [00:23:54] subsidizing big government always fails. [00:23:58] >> So can for those who haven't followed [00:24:01] this and may not know what you're [00:24:02] referring to August of 1971 [00:24:05] the Nixon administration what happened [00:24:07] that day that was the declaration of [00:24:09] bankruptcy. Well, I can remember it [00:24:12] precisely because I had been very much [00:24:14] involved but not anticipating what I [00:24:16] heard. One Sunday night, I was sitting [00:24:18] in front of the television watching [00:24:21] watching the news come in and oh, a [00:24:23] special a special news clip and uh uh [00:24:28] they put up President Nixon and all of a [00:24:31] sudden, boy did my eyes open. boy, the [00:24:34] the longer that short speech went, the [00:24:36] more my eyes open. And I said, "This is [00:24:39] a big deal. It's going to have an [00:24:41] effect. It might be one of the biggest [00:24:43] things that ever happened in monetary [00:24:45] history." And it was a just a major date [00:24:48] uh for what our country is against. And [00:24:51] and it was so clear-cut to me that bad [00:24:55] stuff is going to happen from this. And [00:24:57] we're approaching that time when bad [00:24:59] stuff will really be happening to us [00:25:01] because you just can't print money and [00:25:04] lie to the people forever. It's all [00:25:06] based on a lie. And it's fraud. It's a [00:25:09] it's a it's counterfeit money. And [00:25:12] people without computers uh know better. [00:25:15] People with computers are probably [00:25:17] distracted because they think the [00:25:19] computer is going to solve their [00:25:20] problem. It doesn't. It gives them [00:25:22] reassurance and it doesn't work. So that [00:25:26] was the day that Nixon disconnected the [00:25:28] dollar from gold. You could no longer [00:25:29] redeem your dollars [00:25:32] >> for for gold. Um I have to ask you, [00:25:36] the United States claims to have the US [00:25:38] government claims to have the world's [00:25:40] largest gold reserves. Some of them are [00:25:42] held in Fort Knox. They haven't actually [00:25:44] been audited in a real way in almost a [00:25:47] hundred years, despite the the lot of [00:25:49] lying about it. Why haven't America's [00:25:52] gold reserves been audited? you know, [00:25:55] bar forbar. And what do you think that [00:25:58] tells us? [00:26:00] >> Well, it's sort of a characteristic of [00:26:02] what we're dealing with today in the [00:26:04] current events uh that uh you can't tell [00:26:06] the truth because uh you know, truth is [00:26:10] treasonous, you know, to empires. [00:26:13] >> Yeah. [00:26:13] >> And and that they they can't tell the [00:26:16] truth, but they also have to have the [00:26:19] people behind it. Somebody has to get [00:26:21] something from it. and the deep state uh [00:26:24] the military-industrial complex and you [00:26:27] know the uh drug companies all they get [00:26:30] something from it but it finances bad [00:26:33] things and they and and therefore [00:26:35] they're talked into it so the people [00:26:36] support it and then other people say we [00:26:39] know better and we'll be cautious and we [00:26:41] know how to run a mon monetary system [00:26:44] you know better than ever but they don't [00:26:46] it it looks like you know a free lunch [00:26:49] but it isn't it's based on they should [00:26:52] if they But it dealt with it in a [00:26:54] serious way in a moral sense that [00:26:57] printing money and telling the people [00:26:58] that it's backed by gold and it's it's [00:27:00] steady and we could have the currency, [00:27:03] the reserve currency of the world and [00:27:05] we're going to get rich over. Well, that [00:27:07] was half true because it wasn't true, [00:27:10] but it worked for a little while and it [00:27:11] still works to a degree. But I think the [00:27:14] handwriting is on the wall. This is not [00:27:16] going to continue. And I think that's [00:27:17] why we've seen an explosion of our [00:27:21] problems. And uh the one thing that I [00:27:23] look at or two things because they're [00:27:25] one and the same. It's the debt going up [00:27:28] and what the price of gold is because [00:27:30] the price of gold although it can be [00:27:33] rigged and delayed and but ultimately [00:27:36] the price of gold is telling you there's [00:27:38] pro problems out there. So there's [00:27:40] something big going on but it's just [00:27:42] sort of a catchup of all the things that [00:27:44] we've been doing. you know, pretending [00:27:46] that we can police the world, threaten [00:27:49] everybody, drop bombs on people, defy [00:27:52] the Constitution, and then punish the [00:27:55] people who want to tell us that, the few [00:27:57] we have in Washington. They want to [00:27:59] reveal the truth, but uh but they don't [00:28:02] want but they they they suffer the [00:28:04] problem because they get blamed for [00:28:07] treason. They're defying what we said. [00:28:10] And uh you know I I was there for a [00:28:12] little bit and and they would charge [00:28:14] you. They I felt though they didn't [00:28:16] bother me too much. They sort of left me [00:28:18] alone. But they would say, "Oh, you [00:28:20] don't help the president. You don't do [00:28:22] this." I said, "Yes, but uh why don't [00:28:25] you measure things by whether or not [00:28:28] we're following the oath of office?" And [00:28:31] that that made them mad. They didn't [00:28:33] that didn't that. So, I think uh what [00:28:35] they're putting up with now, the few we [00:28:37] have uh is they they're putting up with [00:28:40] something much worse because the danger [00:28:42] is much worse and people are gathering [00:28:45] around to pick up the pieces. Who's [00:28:47] going to run things? So now we see [00:28:49] people talking about well we elect [00:28:52] fascists and we we elect communists and [00:28:55] all and that's out of fear because [00:28:58] people were sensing the people are [00:29:00] always a little bit smarter and ahead of [00:29:03] what the members of Congress uh are [00:29:06] doing. But most people think that this [00:29:08] congressman are smart and they know what [00:29:10] to do. No, the the people the people are [00:29:13] ahead of the uh the people are ahead of [00:29:16] the government and the Congress. And [00:29:18] believe me, if you just listen to them, [00:29:20] you know, they they tell you they tell [00:29:22] you things that you never hear when you [00:29:25] hear people who are in office. And when [00:29:28] times get tough, the sad part is some of [00:29:31] the people who know a little bit better [00:29:33] and might want to associate with, you [00:29:35] know, this radical idea that you take [00:29:37] your oath of office seriously. Uh they [00:29:40] they know better. But uh ultimately [00:29:43] though, I I'm always encouraged. I'm not [00:29:46] discouraged because I always think truth [00:29:47] wins out in the end. Truth truth works. [00:29:51] And I figure, well, if they don't listen [00:29:53] to me now, maybe somebody will scratch [00:29:55] something down. Maybe somebody will read [00:29:57] it because I think that the majority of [00:30:00] the people want to hear it. [00:30:02] >> You know, they they do want to hear it [00:30:04] and I think that's why when I would say [00:30:06] some of that radical, he can't go. He's [00:30:09] going to be out of office in no time. [00:30:10] And and you know, they and they put us [00:30:12] down. But uh I think basically uh the [00:30:16] nature of mankind is they they have this [00:30:20] they have this challenge between good [00:30:22] and evil. And I think that uh you know [00:30:26] you know the good part of a free society [00:30:28] is a rocky road to go. But I think [00:30:31] ultimately people will come down and [00:30:34] right now we're in we're in the interim [00:30:36] of it. We're trying to sort it out and [00:30:38] there's a lot of people really mixed up [00:30:40] and it's going to that that uh [00:30:43] difficulty is going to get much worse [00:30:46] because uh the system that we've lived [00:30:48] on and off, you know, uh special [00:30:51] interest running things. That's coming [00:30:53] to an end. I'm convinced of that. [00:30:55] >> You can feel these people here. [00:30:57] >> They just came out of the dunes. There's [00:30:58] got to be around a hundred of them. And [00:30:59] now a boat's going to try to come around [00:31:01] and pick them up. [00:31:01] >> In a single generation, Europe has [00:31:03] changed forever. This is the result of [00:31:06] decades of mass migration, more than it [00:31:08] has in the last 2,000 years. [00:31:10] >> Whoa, easy, easy, easy. Whoa, whoa, [00:31:12] whoa. [00:31:12] >> We followed one of the deadliest trade [00:31:14] routes on Earth. From Africa to the [00:31:16] Canary Islands to Spain, France, ending [00:31:18] in the UK. In many cities, natives are [00:31:20] now the minority. This was not an [00:31:21] accident. Didn't happen organically. [00:31:23] You're not imagining it. The governments [00:31:25] of Western Europe and the United States [00:31:27] and Canada, New Zealand, and Australia [00:31:29] did this on purpose to their own people. [00:31:32] They opened their border and they paid [00:31:34] for the rest of the world, the third [00:31:35] world, to move into their countries. [00:31:37] >> This is what happens when you let a [00:31:38] bunch of foreigners completely overtake [00:31:40] their country. [00:31:41] >> Along the way, we uncovered the entire [00:31:43] system of criminal networks, NOS's, and [00:31:45] criminal governments coordinating [00:31:47] together to destroy the West. [00:31:50] Watch Replacing Europe only on tucker [00:31:53] carlson.com. [00:31:55] Well, I think you're right. And part of [00:31:57] the problem is it doesn't work anymore. [00:32:00] Part of the problem is everyone knows [00:32:02] what's going on thanks to the internet. [00:32:03] It's hard to lie to people in the way [00:32:05] that government used to. What happens [00:32:09] then? So if our monetary system, our [00:32:12] political system, the social fabric, all [00:32:15] of them come undone at once. Where does [00:32:18] that leave us? What what happens next? [00:32:20] >> All depends on what the people who think [00:32:23] and are the thought leaders who have [00:32:26] written about it and describe the [00:32:27] society. you want the people who promote [00:32:30] liberty and uh you you know that that [00:32:34] the people will recognize that we see a [00:32:36] couple people really getting the grief [00:32:39] in Washington that are in office and [00:32:41] they're saying the right thing uh and [00:32:44] you have to be able to pick that out and [00:32:47] find out what they're talking about. So [00:32:49] it is it is education against the [00:32:51] politicians and uh I think that uh I [00:32:55] think basically that uh people if they [00:32:57] have the information they will do the [00:33:00] right thing or lean in that direction [00:33:02] but uh I also think you have to pay the [00:33:04] bills and to pay the bills now is what [00:33:07] our national debt recognizes you know [00:33:09] they say it's uh you know uh a few [00:33:12] trillion dollars here and there is going [00:33:14] to be $40 trillion but it's it's much [00:33:16] bigger than that everything is based on [00:33:19] the falsehood of the paper currency and [00:33:23] the printing of money. And now now [00:33:26] people are waking up to this. People are [00:33:27] starting to realize that just having a [00:33:30] lot of money. They haven't seen the the [00:33:32] direct correction yet because they're [00:33:34] still saying, "Oh yeah, my prices are [00:33:36] going up. I need more money from the [00:33:38] government." You know, the connect the [00:33:40] lack of taxes. And I think what I see my [00:33:44] responsibility as an individual is that [00:33:47] if if I think that that I'm on the right [00:33:49] track, I should try to share that with [00:33:51] other people. And uh I think it's very [00:33:54] receptive the little bit of opportunity [00:33:56] I had with running for the president. I [00:33:59] was so impressed with the willingness of [00:34:01] people to listen and uh and there was a [00:34:05] there great support. It's the thought [00:34:07] leaders of the country what we have on [00:34:09] our you know our universities are you [00:34:11] know a strong detriment you know to what [00:34:14] we have the foreign policy and the power [00:34:18] in Washington you know a lot of good [00:34:21] people when the conditions get tougher [00:34:24] or you have a charlatan that can [00:34:27] bamboozle people they drift over so [00:34:29] right now Washington is not helping us [00:34:32] out but there's a lot of other people [00:34:35] that are that I I I I'm I'm happen to be [00:34:38] an optimist because I think the [00:34:40] information is getting out. We have good [00:34:43] talk show hosts out there and things [00:34:45] listen and uh I think people want to do [00:34:48] the right thing. But it is a big job and [00:34:52] I think it's uh the most important thing [00:34:54] is not to have more guns and more more [00:34:58] government. you need more education on [00:35:00] understanding what freedom is all about [00:35:02] and what why we've had greatness in this [00:35:05] country and the information is available [00:35:08] there. That's when I get excited when I [00:35:10] realize that uh so many good things do [00:35:13] happen but uh we're still have the [00:35:17] majority of the people who got hold of [00:35:18] the government power they have gotten us [00:35:21] into this mess. So it's up to the people [00:35:23] to wake up and make sure our ideas get [00:35:26] out there. You made reference a couple [00:35:28] of times to good people in Washington. [00:35:31] You said there are a couple of truth [00:35:32] tellers in Washington who are under [00:35:35] attack. Who are you referring to? Who [00:35:37] are those people? [00:35:39] >> Well, the list is so short. I don't [00:35:42] >> Yes, it is. [00:35:44] >> I don't I don't like to pick out then [00:35:46] because somebody else might be 95% of [00:35:49] what I like. Some might be 80%. So, uh [00:35:52] No, there there's only there's only a [00:35:54] couple. Most people most people know [00:35:57] that uh you know I'm very prejudice and [00:36:00] I very biased because I think my son's [00:36:02] doing a pretty good job. Yes. And uh I [00:36:05] think he knows what's going on and I I [00:36:07] think there are others that are doing a [00:36:09] but I think I don't think the answer is [00:36:12] in Washington. I think the answer is [00:36:14] recognizing why we have to get away from [00:36:18] Washington and we have to get people to [00:36:20] understand. So the educational system is [00:36:23] good, but our educational system goes [00:36:26] goes in the wrong direction. They're [00:36:28] they have for 100 years have gone [00:36:31] completely away from the original intent [00:36:33] of the constitution. So I see as an [00:36:36] educational system. I never dreamed I'd [00:36:38] ever go to Congress. I never dreamed I'd [00:36:40] stay very long. I never dreamed that [00:36:42] anybody would pay any attention. But [00:36:45] people were starving. They're starving [00:36:47] for somebody to talk straight with them. [00:36:50] And that I think is I think that's [00:36:52] there's some very good things going on [00:36:55] but we have to recognize the truth of [00:36:57] what's happening and I think it's [00:37:00] ideological and and I I really deep down [00:37:04] uh I see a lot of good things happening [00:37:07] but most important is that we recognize [00:37:11] you know the good and the bad. And uh I [00:37:14] I think that uh I sometimes I wonder how [00:37:17] we did get some attention in the [00:37:19] presidential races because young people [00:37:22] I was so I got excited about young [00:37:24] people would you know they they were so [00:37:27] positive and excited and I I would ask a [00:37:30] young person I said I just lectured to [00:37:32] you for an hour. I said uh and uh uh I [00:37:36] for 40 45 [00:37:39] minutes all I did was tell you WHAT A [00:37:41] MESS WE HAVE and you're here talking how [00:37:44] wonderful it is. But I always wanted to [00:37:46] finish with what the answer is. But uh [00:37:49] you got to see the problem if you want [00:37:51] to convince people to do something else. [00:37:54] But when the educational system is all [00:37:57] biased against liberty, against these [00:38:01] principles of individual responsibility, [00:38:03] it it's pretty tough. But in that area, [00:38:06] I get I get optimistic with recognition [00:38:10] of how dangerous it is because we still [00:38:13] Republican or Democrat, the foreign [00:38:15] policy is really very very dangerous. [00:38:18] There's too many big weapons and I I [00:38:21] think we need a better understanding. [00:38:23] But most people do. Most people don't [00:38:25] say you you know uh I'd like to go to [00:38:28] war. I want to I want to carry a gun and [00:38:30] shoot people. Most people worry about [00:38:33] why are we doing this? And they're [00:38:34] asking question, but they've been able [00:38:36] to win the psychological war because if [00:38:39] you object to it, you're unAmerican, you [00:38:41] know. uh but I I think it's education is [00:38:44] the most important thing that we do and [00:38:47] understanding and some some moral basics [00:38:50] that uh people should understand like uh [00:38:53] if you if you and I can't go and steal [00:38:57] uh why don't we let the government steal [00:38:59] all the time take stuff from them it's [00:39:01] not rightfully theirs and they and then [00:39:04] they want to have all the power so uh [00:39:07] the the the problems are complex and [00:39:09] that's what delighted me when I would [00:39:11] talk to young people they seem to [00:39:13] understand it. It seems like yeah the uh [00:39:16] the young people you know would respond [00:39:20] even against all the propaganda of the [00:39:22] college universities and all the media [00:39:25] practically and the movies and [00:39:27] everything else if you talked to him [00:39:29] straightforward [00:39:30] uh you know I would ask a student who [00:39:33] was excited about what I was saying I [00:39:35] said you know but so and so just said [00:39:37] that too you know when we had our [00:39:39] debates I said he he said the same thing [00:39:41] he says yeah but he wasn't telling the [00:39:43] truth. [00:39:44] you know, people can recognize it. So, I [00:39:48] I come down as being an optimist with a [00:39:51] lot of caution about what we have to go [00:39:54] through to restore the principles that [00:39:57] most people would endorse if you just [00:39:59] offered to in principles. There's too [00:40:02] much political power and money involved. [00:40:04] But uh I I think that uh I think the [00:40:07] number of people that I meet are very [00:40:10] decent people and uh and yet we have [00:40:13] nothing. Just think in my lifetime how [00:40:15] many wars we've had, you know, and [00:40:18] they're so unnecessary. So look looking [00:40:21] at some of the basic principles of what [00:40:23] a liberty society would do. Uh it's not [00:40:27] that difficult and that's really what is [00:40:30] in my heart and what I want to promote. [00:40:33] Well, I have to ask you about wars. So, [00:40:35] you were born in 1935. You were 10 when [00:40:38] the Second World War ended. So, you've [00:40:40] seen all the wars, Second World War, [00:40:42] Korea, Vietnam, everything since war on [00:40:45] terror. Have any of those wars made life [00:40:48] better for Americans, do you think? [00:40:52] Probably not. [00:40:55] I can't argue the case. And uh it's it's [00:40:58] this it's control of patriotism that if [00:41:02] you don't do this, you're not a [00:41:03] patriotic person. And and people people [00:41:07] do that and and they're so easily [00:41:09] convinced that I have to sacrifice [00:41:12] something. You have to defend what you [00:41:14] believe in, but you don't have to [00:41:15] sacrifice any of your freedoms to get [00:41:18] it. And they say, "Well, we have to do [00:41:20] this to get along." People in Congress [00:41:22] say, "Yeah, you're right, Rod, on this [00:41:24] issue, but we can't get there." So this [00:41:26] only give them half of this pie right [00:41:28] now. So they see themselves as being [00:41:32] being able to work it out with the [00:41:34] problems we have. But uh I I don't I [00:41:37] think that's wrong. And I think uh [00:41:40] especially young people. Well, I like to [00:41:42] I talked to a lot of young people and [00:41:44] even people that are a little bit older [00:41:46] who have a younish type of an attitude, [00:41:49] open-mindedness to what the country [00:41:52] should be all about and what liberty is [00:41:55] all about. So, I think it's so [00:41:57] fantastic. But I also recognize that the [00:42:00] world is imperfect and uh we're not [00:42:02] going to see a perfect society. You just [00:42:04] have to sort of help guide it in certain [00:42:07] directions. And the freer we are, I [00:42:09] think, uh, the better. The more tyranny [00:42:12] we have, the worse off we are. But it [00:42:14] takes, uh, it takes a moral [00:42:16] understanding of what our relationship [00:42:19] should be with the government. And [00:42:20] that's where it gets touchy because [00:42:22] people want to use it of the few want to [00:42:26] own control, the deep state, whoever [00:42:28] they are. They they have they're the [00:42:31] ones who, you know, controls the politic [00:42:34] and the all the legislation and the [00:42:36] spending. But that's coming to an end. [00:42:38] We're broke and everybody's starting to [00:42:41] know even though we knew it was broke. [00:42:43] And that was my discovery in that uh in [00:42:46] in 1970 [00:42:48] uh well uh when Brentton Woods broke [00:42:51] down, you know, and 197 and when Nixon [00:42:54] gave that speech, uh I I I kne I knew [00:42:57] that but took a long time. We were so [00:42:59] wealthy. We were spoiled. And we could [00:43:01] defy the principles of liberty and and [00:43:04] decency because we were so rich and [00:43:07] still are rich. We're still consuming, [00:43:10] but we're not producing. I mean, we [00:43:13] we're we're we have a moral crisis. But [00:43:16] that's where I'm optimistic because I [00:43:18] think that number is growing and I think [00:43:20] there are a lot of young people looking [00:43:22] at it differently. Uh I think our [00:43:24] technology is helpful. I think people [00:43:26] who have interesting talk shows and get [00:43:29] good views of and share some of these [00:43:31] views makes it different and I I think [00:43:34] there's some very good things going on [00:43:36] and I also accept the idea that [00:43:38] perfection is not achievable but it is [00:43:41] definitely available to us to go in a [00:43:43] certain direction and we've been as a [00:43:45] country going in the wrong direction for [00:43:47] a long time. Well, there's this very [00:43:50] strange phenomenon we're watching right [00:43:52] now where as the country becomes poorer. [00:43:56] We're we're bankrupt, you said. I think [00:43:58] everyone agree with that. We spend even [00:44:01] more on foreign wars. We spend more now [00:44:04] than we did 10 years ago and we're poor. [00:44:08] Why? Why do you think that's happening? [00:44:10] Well, I think our effectiveness uh isn't [00:44:14] uh being [00:44:16] pursued through intellectual means and [00:44:18] philosophy because you know our [00:44:21] universities are crowded by by this [00:44:23] false illusion that it's the [00:44:25] government's responsibility to do [00:44:27] everything and uh that [00:44:31] and and people don't uh I think they [00:44:34] basically [00:44:36] accept it but they have trouble you know [00:44:38] challenging the university system. When [00:44:41] I was in college, I was I was asking a [00:44:44] lot of questions. Then it finally dawned [00:44:46] on me I wasn't getting very many good [00:44:48] answers. So, uh but I think that I also [00:44:51] have a a very favorable thought that [00:44:54] everybody is born with a chance to come [00:44:57] to a a right decision about nonviolence. [00:45:02] You know, you know, no lie, cheating, [00:45:04] stealing, and killing. [00:45:06] >> Yes, [00:45:06] >> that's pretty simple. And you don't need [00:45:09] this many laws. You you just shouldn't [00:45:12] beat people like that. And most people [00:45:14] say, "Well, that sounds easy." Yeah, but [00:45:16] the trouble is most of the individuals [00:45:19] do. Oh, yeah. I don't lie, cheat, steal, [00:45:21] or kill. But the government does. You [00:45:24] have to apply those rules to the [00:45:25] government and then we we get ahead. And [00:45:28] uh that and some there are some there. [00:45:31] But boy, I'll tell you what, just look [00:45:33] at the people that hold the line for no [00:45:36] lie, cheating, and stealing and take it [00:45:38] to the government and and tell the [00:45:40] government. They can't do it either. [00:45:42] They get into big trouble. They might be [00:45:44] the most libertarian, freeloving people [00:45:46] in the world, and they will get the the [00:45:49] rest of them. Oh, but they're [00:45:50] challenging our system. And you don't [00:45:52] want to [00:45:54] ruin our system because we have to help [00:45:56] people get along and solve our problem [00:45:59] that we created. You know, it's it's [00:46:01] such a force. But the the s the the good [00:46:04] news is the system is coming to an end. [00:46:07] The good news also is that there's an [00:46:09] alternative. There's a good news that [00:46:10] more and more people are looking at at [00:46:13] the freedom alternative. But the bad ide [00:46:20] going to be a lot of havoc that goes [00:46:21] through uh the country finding those [00:46:24] people. But I I I was so encouraged with [00:46:28] um uh the with what went on in the [00:46:31] presidential campaign because uh you [00:46:35] know the young people came out and I I I [00:46:38] you know for the two times I did that [00:46:40] was good several years I would walk out [00:46:43] there to the stadium and see where do [00:46:46] they come from? What are they doing [00:46:47] here? [00:46:50] They said well they came here to hear [00:46:52] what you have to say. I said, "But I [00:46:53] don't have a speech, [00:46:55] so I can talk about liberty." No, but [00:46:58] there there's something going on. So, [00:47:00] talking to young people, I excites me [00:47:04] and uh I hope it keeps me young, too. [00:47:07] See, I I want to benefit from it all. [00:47:10] >> Well, it it has so far. So when you were [00:47:14] in Congress and you served in Congress [00:47:15] for quite a while as I remember um you [00:47:18] were attacked for not being supportive [00:47:21] enough of Israel. Do you think that was [00:47:24] fair? Why why were you your views on [00:47:27] Israel different from some of your [00:47:28] colleagues? [00:47:30] >> Well because I think that u I do support [00:47:34] Israel but I don't support their [00:47:37] policies. you know uh is Israel is not [00:47:40] uh uh what the uh uh neocons tell us or [00:47:45] or or what what is happening now because [00:47:49] uh I think I think Israel [00:47:52] let's say the west the United States are [00:47:54] flat out broke and they're all fighting [00:47:56] a war I think Israel is going to be in a [00:47:58] worse shape [00:47:59] >> so but I I think I think they're uh [00:48:02] pampered in a way that all we have to [00:48:04] say you know when uh goldier came here [00:48:08] She didn't come to the government. She [00:48:09] came here to, you know, get personal [00:48:11] help. But it turned into this boondoggle [00:48:14] of uh of getting stuff for free. I think [00:48:17] I think Netanyahu's been to the country [00:48:19] with his hands out in the last year four [00:48:22] or five times. [00:48:24] >> Seven seven times. [00:48:26] >> Seven times. Boy, I I got to catch up. I [00:48:29] can't keep up with them. And they're [00:48:31] always with their hands out. and and and [00:48:34] I think that's where uh we're we're [00:48:37] under a lot of pressure to how to handle [00:48:39] it because I'm I'm I'm cautious because [00:48:42] I'm not looking I'm not looking for a [00:48:44] fist fight. I'm looking for an [00:48:46] intellectual fight, you know, argument. [00:48:48] So I the people that get disturbed by [00:48:52] this uh you know I I I don't need this [00:48:56] and uh but I I think when people hear it [00:48:59] and have a chance, I think they choose [00:49:01] liberty, you know. I I really do people [00:49:04] don't they I think it the the one basic [00:49:08] practical enemy was the fact that our [00:49:11] universities [00:49:12] taught us you know junk economics you [00:49:16] know like I said a minute ago you you [00:49:20] know the the government the government [00:49:21] gets involved and they do it and they [00:49:23] they they they claim that deficits don't [00:49:27] matter and and and [00:49:31] yet I think they really matter. matter [00:49:33] and I think common sense is lacking on [00:49:36] that but I think uh I think it's uh that [00:49:39] Israel's following a dangerous path uh [00:49:41] you know in a way because what are they [00:49:44] going to do if we're totally bankrupt [00:49:45] tomorrow and uh what what's going to [00:49:48] happen and uh what if they became more [00:49:52] freedom loving what if they did my [00:49:54] suggestion for some of our foreign [00:49:56] policy problems we're in 126 countries [00:50:00] and spending billions of dollars or And [00:50:02] I and I have a solution. I says we just [00:50:04] marched in just march out. You know what [00:50:08] would happen then if we just got out of [00:50:11] that? I mean it it would reduce the [00:50:13] number of problems. People don't have [00:50:15] enough confidence in liberty. They've [00:50:17] been do indoctrinated and that's why uh [00:50:20] you know in spite of the shortcomings of [00:50:22] the internet we get to see your show on [00:50:24] the internet. Every there are so many [00:50:26] advantages you know the internet. So, a [00:50:28] message I never dreamed would get more [00:50:31] than 15 people out of a college campus [00:50:34] all of a sudden. And the message uh is [00:50:37] had been spread. People want to hear it. [00:50:39] So, and and I think those numbers are [00:50:42] growing. I I I really do. And I think [00:50:45] that uh I think there's a lot of [00:50:47] positive things happening, but uh it's [00:50:50] still I think it's an intellectual [00:50:52] fight. I think it's educational. Uh I [00:50:55] think the fact that uh that uh we have [00:50:58] uh so many special interests and so much [00:51:01] indoctrination and we have the schools [00:51:04] against us the whole works. But now [00:51:06] there's homeschooling and uh there's [00:51:09] more homeschooling than ever before. [00:51:11] When it was started they try to close it [00:51:13] down because some some of the the goofy [00:51:16] people knew what was coming. So there's [00:51:18] a lot of good stuff coming out with [00:51:20] homeschooling and we're very positive on [00:51:23] that. So uh but I still think it's an [00:51:26] education ultimately it's an educational [00:51:28] fight to get people to understand [00:51:31] because whether how do you go into [00:51:33] somebody that they have a family he the [00:51:36] the father's not working and they have [00:51:38] six kids and they're getting everything [00:51:40] coming from the government. I mean you [00:51:42] you have to really you know be [00:51:46] persuasive but I believe so strongly in [00:51:49] it that you can't persuade people [00:51:51] because this one we have is failing and [00:51:53] they have to see the connection of the [00:51:55] failure in this system uh related to bad [00:51:58] ideas and uh like maybe government [00:52:03] deficits aren't a good idea. That should [00:52:05] be too hard. Printing money maybe that's [00:52:08] a bad idea too. Maybe telling people how [00:52:10] to lead and live their lives is a bad [00:52:13] idea. Maybe they can take care of [00:52:15] themselves. Maybe more there's more [00:52:17] criminality when you have an overly [00:52:20] oppressive government that on and on. [00:52:23] There's so many advantages to living in [00:52:25] a free society that uh you you know I I [00:52:29] sort of didn't think I was going into [00:52:31] politics. Didn't necessarily want into [00:52:34] it. was in for a couple months and they [00:52:35] threw me out and then I did it again and [00:52:39] and after eight years I said this isn't [00:52:42] this isn't for me so I got out and went [00:52:44] back to medicine but there then after [00:52:46] that I was back in back in the office [00:52:49] back in office again I think over 20 [00:52:51] years you know but it was always always [00:52:54] trying to talk to people about ideas and [00:52:58] uh I think it's exciting and I think [00:53:01] that the big thing is is uh uh people [00:53:04] should enjoy what they're doing and uh [00:53:07] every and and I I hate the violence that [00:53:10] comes out of what we had. You even [00:53:12] pointed it out to a degree about in in [00:53:14] my lifetime. All the wars have been [00:53:16] going on. I was born in 1935 [00:53:19] and uh believe it or not, I was I was a [00:53:22] a good student when I was very young. I [00:53:24] remember things that were going on in [00:53:26] the depression and World War II and [00:53:28] Korea and Vietnam and on and on. And uh [00:53:32] it it makes no sense whatsoever. And uh [00:53:36] it defies logic and good common sense. [00:53:38] It defies morality. And you talk to [00:53:41] young people in that tone. Most of them [00:53:44] say that's that's it. But of course [00:53:48] there's always that few. the people who [00:53:50] run the show, the people who run our [00:53:52] government and designs our go design our [00:53:54] government so that uh that that the all [00:53:58] the legislation is is in in control. [00:54:01] There's not too many that stand up for [00:54:03] liberty, but there's a lot of people who [00:54:06] that do and they welcome it. I felt like [00:54:09] people people like to hear it because [00:54:12] even though I might spend when I had [00:54:15] bigger crowds at times I talked to a lot [00:54:17] of young people. Uh I could spend 45 [00:54:20] minutes, you know, talking about how bad [00:54:23] things were, how stupid it was and how [00:54:26] dumb the audit system was, how [00:54:28] ridiculous the foreign policy was. And [00:54:31] about after there were 10 minutes left [00:54:33] or so, uh, I would switch. I would, uh, [00:54:38] say, "But we don't have to have this." [00:54:41] Then I had my 10-minute pitch for [00:54:43] liberty and whether it's monetary policy [00:54:46] or foreign policy, social policy, or [00:54:49] living well and all this. And that I was [00:54:53] so impressed and so pleased that [00:54:55] afterwards uh, some young people would [00:54:58] come up. It happened several times. So I [00:55:00] think that's important. They would they [00:55:02] would come up and and I'd say, you know [00:55:04] what I liked about your speech is you [00:55:06] were really positive. [00:55:08] >> Yes. [00:55:08] >> Here I'm 45 minutes, but I had to set [00:55:11] the stage. There's trouble out there, [00:55:13] but you can do something about it. So uh [00:55:17] and that's that's what excites me when [00:55:20] uh with when things happen in a positive [00:55:23] way. We have but we have to talk to [00:55:25] young people and if they're old like a [00:55:28] few people I know you talk to them as if [00:55:30] they're young and uh I I think that's [00:55:33] it. It's a young idea. I mean liberty is [00:55:36] still was a young idea and uh and I [00:55:40] think that I find out and the other [00:55:42] thing people should realize is they [00:55:44] should have fun doing it. You know, I I [00:55:47] I I think it's a lot a lot of the fun if [00:55:52] you identify would when we have [00:55:54] conferences and we you know, small [00:55:56] things like that. Not not not like a [00:55:59] Tucker's conference. We'll have a couple [00:56:01] people there and we talk about we talk [00:56:04] about you know policies and things and [00:56:08] uh it it uh it was wonderful and they [00:56:13] were always so positive and and I come [00:56:16] away they were making me positive and [00:56:19] understanding. So when I found out that [00:56:22] telling the truth, even when it was [00:56:25] dire, they they reacted in a positive [00:56:28] way. And you know, I I still am [00:56:30] impressed that if I did that for 45 or [00:56:33] 50 minutes and told them what a mess [00:56:35] this is, and then give them 10 minutes [00:56:37] of what it could be like. The 10 minutes [00:56:40] was always uplifting. And I I couldn't [00:56:43] believe that. Well, I was surprised. [00:56:46] That's the way I felt and believed. But [00:56:49] I was always shocked that people came up [00:56:51] as boy you are the most positive person [00:56:54] I've ever heard talk because there is an [00:56:56] answer to and it to me is the principles [00:56:58] of liberty and decency. I think they [00:57:01] answer most of our problems. [00:57:03] >> You practiced as a as an obstatrician [00:57:06] for [00:57:06] >> right for your career. How many babies [00:57:08] do you think you delivered? [00:57:11] >> 4,000. [00:57:13] You know the answer. [00:57:15] I and don't hold me to the number. Maybe [00:57:18] it was 3,800 or 4,200. I tried. Somebody [00:57:22] asked me that and I did it in my head [00:57:23] because I started off I delivered a few [00:57:26] babies when I was an intern, a resident [00:57:29] in the military, my medical practice. [00:57:32] When I had my medical practice uh open [00:57:35] up in Lake Jackson, Texas, I was the [00:57:37] only OB doctor around and it was a whole [00:57:40] county. So, I was pretty busy. So, no, I [00:57:44] deliver delivered a lot of babies and [00:57:47] and uh it's it's uh to to me was a [00:57:50] wonderful thing. I I psychologically [00:57:52] wasn't as good at um you know, chronic [00:57:57] illness as I love the joy of delivering [00:58:00] a new life. [00:58:01] >> Wonderful. And some of those babies have [00:58:03] got to be approaching retirement. Do you [00:58:05] ever meet them [00:58:08] all the time? [00:58:10] And I I said, "No, you they'll stop me [00:58:12] on the street and he'll look like [00:58:15] somebody he's 40 or 45 years old and [00:58:18] he'll tell me that [00:58:20] he was I delivered him." I SAID, "NO [00:58:22] WAY." [00:58:24] SO, NO. [00:58:26] >> OH, that's wonderful. How [00:58:27] >> it was a joyful joyful uh occupation. [00:58:31] >> How old were you when you started buying [00:58:33] gold? [00:58:36] I I was interested in the monetary issue [00:58:39] when I was uh probably 10 years old and [00:58:43] then later on I found s I found out why [00:58:46] I didn't have any gold coins. Uh I I' [00:58:50] I've been interested [00:58:53] uh not exactly there wasn't a date that [00:58:56] I was always interested in the monetary [00:58:58] issue but when I got really excited [00:59:00] about it was uh when uh when Brettton [00:59:04] Woods broke down you know the Brettton [00:59:07] Woods system and uh and that issue and I [00:59:13] it was just I it was just fascinating [00:59:16] with me because the monetary issue was [00:59:19] there and I would look at all the [00:59:20] literature I got and it turned out that [00:59:23] what I was reading was Austrian [00:59:24] economics, free market economics and [00:59:27] monetary policy and to me it's so [00:59:30] exciting. It's because the other econom [00:59:33] the other e economic systems are pretty [00:59:36] sterile and they're pretty boring. where [00:59:39] Austrian economics takes into the factor [00:59:42] of human action. Of course, that's [00:59:43] Mises's book, human action. Why do they [00:59:46] do this? Why why do people love liberty? [00:59:48] Why do they do this? Why do they So, I I [00:59:51] thought uh that was early on, but [00:59:54] probably I was growing gradually when I [00:59:57] was in college because I always had two [00:59:59] books. When I was free, I'd read [01:00:01] Austrian economics and uh it still [01:00:04] fascinates me. So I think ideas are [01:00:07] crucial and uh at the CA camp the first [01:00:11] campaign I ran in was purely out of just [01:00:15] the curiosity. It was in 1974 [01:00:18] and you know the Republicans weren't [01:00:20] doing very well in 1974. [01:00:23] So so I did it because nobody else would [01:00:25] run and there were only there were only [01:00:28] three Republicans in the Congress at the [01:00:30] time. So but uh something happened. I [01:00:34] tried to quit twice but I kept going [01:00:36] back going back because there were it [01:00:39] almost was it was almost like an [01:00:41] invisible calling and but I had certain [01:00:44] rules. I wasn't going to get involved in [01:00:46] those fights and uh I I I was I was I [01:00:50] wanted to to to share my understanding [01:00:53] of how the system should work and uh [01:00:57] actually uh it was something I grew to [01:01:00] understand and like because uh uh [01:01:04] because other people liked it you know [01:01:06] it's you know I'd ask people WHY ARE YOU [01:01:09] HERE YOU KNOW WHY ARE YOU ASKING me this [01:01:11] but but people are interested in ideas [01:01:14] and I think they And see like I think I [01:01:16] already told the story that uh you you [01:01:19] uh you you talk to people and uh you you [01:01:23] you you present it to it and they [01:01:26] they'll say, "Oh yeah, that's right. You [01:01:30] said that. This is true." And they [01:01:32] they're they're looking for truth. Even [01:01:34] though you say strong things, look, it's [01:01:37] your fault. [01:01:38] But this is the answer. And then they [01:01:41] come across, well, it's a very positive [01:01:43] philosophy. So I don't know. Yeah. To me [01:01:47] I enjoyed it because young people seem [01:01:49] to wake up you know. Yes. And uh young [01:01:52] people but even the age I talk about [01:01:55] young people but I really people have a [01:01:57] young attitude. The young people are [01:02:00] willing to think long. So sometimes you [01:02:02] get the most youngest ideas from [01:02:04] somebody that's been thinking this way [01:02:06] and they they might be they might be [01:02:08] real old like over 70 or something you [01:02:10] know and they would they would be very [01:02:13] positive and uh so so I I I ended up uh [01:02:17] loving to do that and I love medicine [01:02:20] and uh I I love the idea that I had so [01:02:23] many opportunities because uh ba [01:02:26] basically it's uh it's something that I [01:02:29] think is very very positive imperfectly. [01:02:32] It's not perfect obviously. And then [01:02:34] when I found out that we will never [01:02:36] reach that, it's a matter of going which [01:02:39] direction. Man is not perfect. But I [01:02:42] think people who believe in liberty and [01:02:45] believe in these basic principles of [01:02:47] nonviolence, they can contribute a whole [01:02:49] lot. And uh it's very open-ended. You [01:02:53] know, it's open to anybody who wants to [01:02:56] think about that complicated philosophy [01:02:58] I just described. people shouldn't want [01:03:00] to commit violence and if it fits into [01:03:03] foreign policy and it fits into our own [01:03:05] government. So as the years went on I [01:03:08] saw our own government being the the [01:03:11] government being violent because I don't [01:03:13] think we should have about 80 90% of [01:03:16] what we have. We should have a lot less [01:03:18] government and uh but the amount of [01:03:21] government that's the force that we need [01:03:23] but they they always fail. They're [01:03:25] failing now. The opportunity is there. [01:03:28] people will listen to common sense and [01:03:30] uh I think I think when it's based with [01:03:33] a moral principle uh people understand [01:03:36] it but they're hungry for the message [01:03:38] and uh I I think it's delightful when [01:03:41] people say they'll come in now I just [01:03:43] love it when somebody will come up and [01:03:44] say you did this you convinced me of [01:03:46] this and this is what I've been doing so [01:03:49] there's an invisible group there's a you [01:03:51] know there's an you never know who you [01:03:53] talk to yes there there's an invisible [01:03:55] number of people out there that has uh [01:03:58] had has been influenced and I figure [01:04:01] that I got the benefit because I was [01:04:04] influenced by the people who would uh be [01:04:06] interested in talking about the issues [01:04:08] and I love doing that. [01:04:11] >> Is it strange to be vindicated [01:04:14] on gold for example? I remember people [01:04:16] made fun of you. I'll confess with shame [01:04:19] that I made fun of you as a gold bug [01:04:22] because you would never stop talking [01:04:23] about gold. And now it's so obvious that [01:04:26] you were right. You were always right. [01:04:28] And I doubt many people have apologized [01:04:30] to you. But how does it feel to be you [01:04:32] and to see the world come around to your [01:04:35] conclusion? [01:04:36] >> Well, I'd qualify your statement. I wish [01:04:38] I could say I'm always right. No, [01:04:43] hopefully I'm always going in the right [01:04:44] direction anyway. Yeah. [01:04:46] >> So, it's uh No, I I I love dealing with [01:04:49] the issue of the ideas because they're [01:04:52] more important than what you hear from [01:04:54] the politicians. See, I saw I was I was [01:04:57] mixed in with a group of people that [01:04:59] probably almost opposite of [01:05:00] libertarianism, [01:05:02] >> but there were people in our history [01:05:04] that were very libertarian. Our founders [01:05:07] had a libertarian streak in them. But, [01:05:10] uh nobody of course will be perfect. But [01:05:13] uh if people are moving in the right [01:05:15] direction uh I've I've I've really love [01:05:19] talking to young people who get excited [01:05:21] about this because now I see people [01:05:24] coming back and I'll I'll meet them and [01:05:26] they look like they might be 22 or 25. I [01:05:29] said when did you get started? He said [01:05:30] when I was 14 I read something you said. [01:05:34] Yeah. So lot young people young people [01:05:37] were found interest. One time I had a a [01:05:39] mother and a son to come to my office, [01:05:41] the congressional office after after we [01:05:44] I had a campaign and uh and he he was [01:05:48] the one. Oh, I thought uh she would be [01:05:52] talking to him. No, it's he wants to [01:05:54] talk to you. He's the one that converted [01:05:56] me. So the son that was 14 was excited [01:05:59] by something I said. I thought, well, [01:06:01] this is magic. This is something [01:06:03] wonderful. And I think is and it's [01:06:06] probably a a something that is powerful, [01:06:10] but what about if a person's doing that [01:06:12] and saying bad things? What you need to [01:06:14] do is get out a gun and shoot that guy [01:06:16] if he did that to you. There's some of [01:06:18] that, too. So, you have competition out [01:06:20] there. But I I came across a lot of [01:06:22] people and and the young people, you [01:06:25] know, they they tend to be more [01:06:28] open-minded and they're willing to open [01:06:30] their minds. And that's what I think is [01:06:32] exciting. [01:06:34] My my last question, Congressman, is [01:06:36] about your life and what you've learned. [01:06:38] You've lived such a long time and you've [01:06:40] lived so successfully. You've made a [01:06:42] difference. You've done things you [01:06:43] loved. You've got a close family. I [01:06:46] mean, you've won. What advice would you [01:06:48] give young people about how to live [01:06:51] their lives? [01:06:54] >> I think I think one, you have to be [01:06:56] curious and looking for the truth. [01:06:59] >> Yes. And then you have to look for [01:07:01] people that you can trust and you could [01:07:04] find it because there's always [01:07:05] literature and uh you're looking for the [01:07:08] truth. And I was always ex excited about [01:07:12] it. I remember one of the books I [01:07:14] started when I got involved in economics [01:07:16] was human action. And that's not a [01:07:18] little book, you know. So, I I don't [01:07:23] think it's the same for everybody, but [01:07:26] uh I think young young people I think we [01:07:29] have a a natural curiosity, [01:07:32] but the other the enemy knows that, too. [01:07:35] And that's why they're in there. That's [01:07:36] why they're in our public educational [01:07:38] system. They want to influence, too. But [01:07:41] in spite of all the power and money they [01:07:44] spend on trying to put us out of it [01:07:47] completely, I think our numbers are [01:07:49] growing. You know, the people who really [01:07:51] want to know the truth and that excites [01:07:54] me when that happens. And uh and I I [01:07:57] believe that uh it'll be a better world, [01:08:00] but what you have to take on is no war. [01:08:03] And they said, "Well, what are the what [01:08:04] are they going to do? I have to go over [01:08:06] there and save people. That's why we [01:08:07] have a what what do you think we have a [01:08:10] our troops in 126 countries for? Yeah. [01:08:13] For finding truth and peace. So when [01:08:16] when they when they when they see this [01:08:19] uh they they get excited about it. But [01:08:22] uh the it's it once if you get their [01:08:26] attention, it's really impressive to me [01:08:29] how they might you sort of turn a switch [01:08:33] on, you know, uh you that that that to [01:08:37] me mine mine was more mine wasn't a [01:08:40] switch. Mine mine was gradual, but I [01:08:44] always became fascinated with with [01:08:47] reading about history and economic [01:08:50] policy. I loved it when I discovered [01:08:52] what we describe as uh you know Austrian [01:08:56] economics which is the uh free market [01:09:01] advice about sound money and freedom of [01:09:04] choice and governments that are about [01:09:06] 10% of what we have now and uh and but [01:09:10] that that is it it is an economic [01:09:14] problem and a political problem but it [01:09:16] really uh it's really a mor a moral [01:09:19] problem it has to be defined and in in [01:09:21] moral terms that uh they should have a [01:09:24] right to tell you what to do but there's [01:09:27] a rule you can't hurt anybody but there [01:09:29] there's a morality that you don't hurt [01:09:32] anybody else and and then you do what [01:09:35] you want. [01:09:36] >> Yes. And uh the the rule is simple and [01:09:39] uh frequently there will be a problem [01:09:42] like right now there are things in the [01:09:43] in the market in the political scene and [01:09:47] of why why aren't you supporting him [01:09:49] when you used to do that and this sort [01:09:51] of thing but I think that I think that [01:09:54] uh I've always had a rule that uh I [01:09:58] offer it they may take it may not want [01:10:00] more they'll ask for it. One of the [01:10:03] people uh that influenced me a lot about [01:10:06] tone. What is your tone is that is [01:10:09] Leonard Reid. And Leonard Reid set up a [01:10:12] foundation after World War II called the [01:10:15] Foundation for Economic Education. I met [01:10:18] him, became friends with him. And he [01:10:20] said, "It's not a political problem. [01:10:21] It's not a political problem. It's an [01:10:23] educational problem." And I bought into [01:10:26] all that. But when I ran for office, he [01:10:28] was for me. you know, he was he was just [01:10:31] sick and tired of those those those [01:10:33] people in government that was doing [01:10:35] nothing more than expanding control over [01:10:38] over their life. So I I think that uh I [01:10:41] I sort of mix a little bit mixed on the [01:10:45] internet because a lot of trash is out [01:10:47] there, a lot of evil out there. Yes. But [01:10:50] just [01:10:51] just uh just think you and I might not [01:10:54] be talking if we didn't have an [01:10:55] internet. [01:10:56] >> We wouldn't be. So, so I think I think [01:10:59] it's wonderful that that we have it and [01:11:02] but I get a lot of questions about uh [01:11:05] how how you support a candidate, but no, [01:11:08] I think uh I think we all know it [01:11:11] because uh I I believe strongly in uh uh [01:11:15] in the system of nihilism and uh people [01:11:20] people wanting to, you know, write bad [01:11:23] laws and do bad things to us at at the [01:11:26] same [01:11:27] people have an instinct for what liberty [01:11:29] is all about people who tell the truth [01:11:32] and it's a contest between bad and good [01:11:34] and evil and uh it's ultimately a [01:11:38] personal choice but you could be [01:11:40] influenced by other people too and uh [01:11:43] that's part is the part that I really [01:11:45] enjoy is talking to people when I think [01:11:48] I'm talking to two people or three [01:11:51] people or 10 people and I love to go to [01:11:53] the universities when I'd get 15 out [01:11:55] where' the crowd come from. And now now [01:11:59] I now I think it's it's just wonderful [01:12:02] that that people that I still can do [01:12:05] this but there's a lot of encroachment [01:12:08] on this and I'm sure you're aware of it [01:12:10] and the control of the first amendment [01:12:12] now is not an automatic. I'll tell you [01:12:16] what, you can get into trouble uh with [01:12:18] the authoritarians who are still in the [01:12:21] organization. They may be out there and [01:12:23] our numbers may be growing but they [01:12:25] still have guns against us. They have [01:12:27] the governments and that's that's where [01:12:30] the danger is. And uh but uh for [01:12:33] fortunately though uh I I think it's an [01:12:36] idea ideological uh argument that we [01:12:40] have to convince people it's better to [01:12:42] live in a free society than in an [01:12:44] authoritarian society. Of course that's [01:12:46] true. And you you could describe what a [01:12:49] free society Yeah. That's exactly what I [01:12:51] believe in. Yes. I said, "But you can't [01:12:55] you cannot uh give any authority to do [01:12:58] what you might want to do to the [01:13:01] government." Most people have succumbed [01:13:03] and they give it to the government. They [01:13:05] live they live what they see as a moral [01:13:07] life and they give all the [01:13:09] responsibility. But I think when people, [01:13:13] you know, are badgered and run by an [01:13:16] immoral government, uh, that you ought [01:13:18] to do something about it. I thought our [01:13:20] government was uh running an immoral [01:13:23] monetary system, a crooked I mean A A [01:13:26] REAL BAD SYSTEM ALL DESIGNED for war [01:13:29] monger and all. But I didn't take a gun, [01:13:32] but I did take it on as a as an obstacle [01:13:35] for me and people needed to know about, [01:13:38] you know, lying about money. And uh and [01:13:41] the reception was bigger than I ever [01:13:43] thought. Uh you you even said something [01:13:46] that your minds have been changed. I'm [01:13:48] sure I didn't change your mind. Somebody [01:13:50] else did that. That that you saw a [01:13:52] difference with Austrian economics later [01:13:54] on and monetary policy and all this. So [01:13:57] I get excited when uh people say that uh [01:14:00] that that they they they've changed [01:14:02] their minds because uh they should [01:14:05] because liberty should be exciting and [01:14:08] uh it's dangerous be in the transition, [01:14:12] but it's the lack of liberty that causes [01:14:14] all our wars is my my opinion. Do do you [01:14:17] have hope that as you said there are [01:14:20] some people on both sides calling for [01:14:22] fascism, calling for communism. People [01:14:24] feel insecure. Our old systems are going [01:14:27] away. You said that clearly and [01:14:29] everybody feels that. And so they're [01:14:31] calling for a central power to calm [01:14:33] things down. That's the trend that I [01:14:36] see. Do you have hope that we will [01:14:39] retain our basic liberties in the midst [01:14:41] of this change? [01:14:42] >> Well, you you've described the contest [01:14:45] perfectly. And uh, of course I don't [01:14:49] know the answer, but I know that if we [01:14:51] do nothing, I know the answer. It'll get [01:14:54] worse. And then the the Hitlers or the [01:14:57] Mussolinis, they they will take over and [01:15:00] they're around. Matter of fact, they're [01:15:01] already in vain. They're now bold enough [01:15:04] to run as communists and and socialists [01:15:08] and all this stuff. The lack of liberty. [01:15:10] So, uh, but but I still am an optimist [01:15:14] because we we are getting good stuff out [01:15:17] on the internet and there's a lot of [01:15:20] people that know this just like thou [01:15:22] there are so many people call they want [01:15:25] to have an interview and I say, well, [01:15:26] what's here is somebody that heard me [01:15:29] talk 20 years ago. Yes. And he has his [01:15:32] own organization go. It's it's a the war [01:15:35] is on but it's ideological for for me. [01:15:38] And I think that's wonderful. I think [01:15:39] it's wonderful about talk show hosts [01:15:42] whether they're on TV or radio or [01:15:43] whatever because we have to change [01:15:46] people's minds. Yes. And uh because uh [01:15:49] just bulldoz it in and say, "Well, he's [01:15:51] a bad guy. Let's boycott. Let's shoot [01:15:54] him. Let's put him in prison. Let's get [01:15:56] control of the Department of Justice and [01:15:58] we're going to do good." I mean, it's a [01:16:00] vicious bad idea. So that we who believe [01:16:04] in something have to present the cause [01:16:06] for liberty and that should be a goal. [01:16:09] It should be uh a very noble goal to [01:16:12] strugg struggle for liberty. Well, what [01:16:15] what about our moral bearings? Well, [01:16:17] that's going to be up to the individual. [01:16:19] But they have a better chance than right [01:16:21] now with an authoritarian government. [01:16:24] And when you look at the [01:16:25] authoritarianist just look at the uh uh [01:16:28] the regulations that we have, stack of [01:16:31] regulations that that we have, and [01:16:33] that's not the right way. But I still [01:16:35] think uh I still think uh we're going in [01:16:38] the right directions Ideologically [01:16:40] there's a lot more people that talk [01:16:42] about the money issue you know and [01:16:45] things like that that you know well when [01:16:48] I got interested in it it was probably a [01:16:50] little bit in the 50s. Uh matter of fact [01:16:53] it was real early because you know I [01:16:56] delivered milk and delivered papers and [01:16:58] had coins and I would save my dimes and [01:17:00] nickels. Back then the dimes had silver [01:17:03] in it. Can you imagine? [01:17:05] >> No, it's hard to imagine. [01:17:08] >> So, silver dollars back then I remember [01:17:10] when we had silver dollars, but now now [01:17:13] it's all all different and it's not in [01:17:15] the money. So, I I think No, that's the [01:17:17] one thing I think people should realize [01:17:20] that this whole thing I'm talking about, [01:17:22] so you can tell I'm a little bit [01:17:23] excited. I think I think it's an [01:17:25] exciting idea. I can't think of anything [01:17:28] more entertaining and interesting and [01:17:31] and valuable is to des to talk about [01:17:34] describe and work for liberty because [01:17:37] that's what that's where you can [01:17:38] practice your liberty and practice your [01:17:40] beliefs and you can learn forever. You [01:17:43] know it isn't like okay I went through [01:17:45] 12 grades now I'm going to I I passed so [01:17:49] that's it. No, each thing isn't you [01:17:52] learn more from it and uh I think uh I I [01:17:56] I I think it's all available to us. So [01:17:59] I'm very thankful for the liberties that [01:18:02] we do have and uh the amount of people [01:18:05] we can reach. I I if you'd have asked me [01:18:07] this even when I was in college starting [01:18:10] to think about to [01:18:13] to ever have talked to as many people as [01:18:15] I have since then I would say you're [01:18:18] you're dizzy. What have you been [01:18:19] drinking? I'm not going to. So I started [01:18:22] going to colleges and you know there [01:18:24] were times I'd get 15 people out on a [01:18:26] college campus wanted to talk about [01:18:28] freedom and libertarianism. [01:18:31] So it's uh it's one of those things that [01:18:34] uh I was you know uh uh really involved [01:18:38] in and I I think it's so important and [01:18:41] it should be fun. That's one thing when [01:18:43] I give a talk and tell people for 45 [01:18:45] minutes how terrible it is and the young [01:18:47] people and you have to do something [01:18:49] about it. Uh I said that you you know uh [01:18:53] I I think you should in everything you [01:18:56] do when we come to a found a found a a [01:18:59] meeting a conference that we have uh we [01:19:03] we claim that uh [01:19:05] you you know you're supposed to have fun [01:19:07] here tell the bad stuff and like I said [01:19:11] that one person heard all the bad stuff [01:19:14] he says afterwards came up boy you're [01:19:16] really an optimist but five or 10 [01:19:18] minutes was talking the good stuff. But [01:19:20] I I think that's great. So, uh I I I [01:19:24] think that uh I think there's a lot [01:19:27] available to us. I think I think the [01:19:29] internet is a mixed bag. There's a LOT [01:19:31] OF BAD STUFF out there, but there's a [01:19:34] lot of good stuff out there, too. And uh [01:19:37] I I try to avoid the bad stuff. [01:19:40] >> Good stuff. [01:19:41] >> I don't want to be influenced. [01:19:44] H Congressman Ron Paul, the the joy [01:19:48] radiates off you. It always has and it [01:19:50] just makes you a very unusual person. [01:19:52] I'm grateful you took the time for this [01:19:54] conversation. Thank you very very much. [01:19:56] >> Thank Thank you. It's a delight to be [01:19:59] with you. [01:19:59] >> It is a delight. Thanks a lot. Thanks [01:20:02] for watching the Wednesday edition of [01:20:05] the show. We stream live every week, [01:20:08] Wednesday 6 p.m. Eastern on [01:20:09] tuckercarlson.com. [01:20:11] Members can watch the show live, join [01:20:14] the membersonly chat, and take part in [01:20:15] the conversation in real time. We're [01:20:18] grateful to be doing it and grateful [01:20:20] that you watch it. Thank you.