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[00:00:01] Okay, everybody. Shabbat shalom. I just
[00:00:03] want to say Shabbat shalom to everybody
[00:00:05] back at home. Happy Hanukkah to our
[00:00:07] greatest friends and allies. And you
[00:00:10] know, this is a good time to mention
[00:00:11] that Israel does have a right to defend
[00:00:13] itself. Tucker Carlson is Adolf Hitler.
[00:00:15] And Tik Tok does need to be purchased by
[00:00:18] the MSAD. It's just how I'm feeling
[00:00:20] today. I am not different. Maybe you are
[00:00:22] different. Welcome back to Candace.
[00:00:28] >> [music]
[00:00:42] >> Okay, you guys are crazy. You guys are
[00:00:44] absolutely crazy. The amount of people
[00:00:46] who attacked me for sending out a tweet
[00:00:48] being like, "Hey, I'm good. I'm alive.
[00:00:49] We had a very productive conversation."
[00:00:50] And they were like, "She got the call.
[00:00:53] She got the call. She's betrayed us.
[00:00:56] She's doing something else. I can't
[00:00:58] believe it. This has all just been a
[00:00:59] show. Calm down. Okay. What do you think
[00:01:03] happened? Erica said, "Stop." And then I
[00:01:06] was frozen
[00:01:08] for four and a half four hours and and
[00:01:11] 30 minutes just like
[00:01:13] as I just put all of these talking
[00:01:15] points into my head. That is not what
[00:01:17] happens. I keep telling you guys, I am
[00:01:19] not governable. I am basically akin to
[00:01:22] Kanye West. I never felt more seen than
[00:01:26] when he tweeted a lot of years ago just
[00:01:29] fired by manager because I realized I
[00:01:31] can't be managed. That is me. That tweet
[00:01:33] right there. I was like, "Oh gosh, yes,
[00:01:35] Kanye, that I get this. Okay, [laughter]
[00:01:38] nobody is changing their mind anything.
[00:01:40] Well, how ridiculous would it have been
[00:01:42] if I'm doing all of this, investigating,
[00:01:45] asking all these questions, and then
[00:01:47] Erica Kirk offers to answer some of
[00:01:49] these questions, and I'm like, "No, I'm
[00:01:51] not going to go. I can't betray the
[00:01:53] people. I don't want any answers to the
[00:01:54] questions. I just want to ask them. No,
[00:01:57] this is the entire reason we are doing
[00:01:58] this. We've been looking at the
[00:02:00] situation going, why can't Turning Point
[00:02:02] USA just answer basic questions. And I
[00:02:05] can tell you guys that yesterday for 4
[00:02:07] hours and 30 minutes, there were no
[00:02:09] rules. They said you could say you can
[00:02:12] ask us any question that you want,
[00:02:13] anything that's on your mind, which I
[00:02:15] appreciated. And some of you guys are
[00:02:17] thinking, who is they? Who is they? It's
[00:02:18] the Jews, obviously. Just kidding. It's
[00:02:21] Justin Strife. Justin Strife was in the
[00:02:24] room. Um, it was just Justin Strife and
[00:02:26] Erica. George joined me just for the
[00:02:30] beginning portion of the conversation
[00:02:31] because he had that thing going on that
[00:02:32] I told you on the 15th all day. He was
[00:02:33] in a conference. And then I brought my
[00:02:36] cousin Mia, you know, the one that has a
[00:02:37] really bad attitude. I just bring her
[00:02:39] there for vibes. I think it just
[00:02:40] confuses people. They're like, I don't I
[00:02:42] don't understand what's this person
[00:02:43] doing here. And the reality is she's
[00:02:45] like always just listening to Cardi B
[00:02:46] music. Uh, but she's my cousin and I
[00:02:49] always have her around. And so that was
[00:02:51] it. She was kind of sitting um a little
[00:02:53] bit away, but at the table it was just
[00:02:55] it was really just the four of us until
[00:02:57] George left. And I will be honest, I did
[00:02:59] not know what to expect going into the
[00:03:03] room. I did not know if they were going
[00:03:06] to be open. I didn't know what Erica's
[00:03:09] energy was going to be like, if it was
[00:03:12] going to be more of an argument, if
[00:03:14] there was going to be legal threats. You
[00:03:16] guys were telling me not to drink water,
[00:03:18] so I didn't drink water. Well, I brought
[00:03:20] my own water, but I didn't drink that
[00:03:21] water, too. It was a lot. There's a lot
[00:03:23] going on. Okay. And the conversation
[00:03:26] started with Justin Strife
[00:03:29] very sensibly
[00:03:31] saying, "What are we looking to
[00:03:33] accomplish here?" Like, "What is the
[00:03:35] actual aim of this conversation?" And he
[00:03:38] was pretty clear, and Erica was very
[00:03:40] clear that they were sort of most upset
[00:03:44] with what I obviously a bit of a fever
[00:03:46] pitch. when I tweeted that it was a
[00:03:49] god-forsaken company and people should
[00:03:52] not give money to it and I have to own
[00:03:55] that. That's aggressive. That is
[00:03:56] actually aggressive in the retrospect. I
[00:03:58] was very frustrated and I don't know. I
[00:04:01] just I I felt like we weren't getting
[00:04:02] any answers and there were so many lies
[00:04:04] and then I was getting attacked for
[00:04:05] asking all meaningful questions that was
[00:04:08] within their capacity to answer. And
[00:04:11] I've told you I I definitely my problem
[00:04:13] in life is that I can rise to anger very
[00:04:16] quickly. Uh I shared with them that I
[00:04:19] really felt like I was under attack for
[00:04:22] telling the truth from the very
[00:04:23] beginning like casually when I mentioned
[00:04:24] the Catholicism thing. Like what was
[00:04:26] that about? I was like look I say
[00:04:28] something in a tribute to him. Alex
[00:04:30] Clark and Andrew Kulvette then jump onto
[00:04:32] a podcast and they're doing that weird
[00:04:34] interview which is clearly aimed at me
[00:04:36] and they've teased the interview. was
[00:04:37] like aimed at me, but they never say my
[00:04:39] name. And that to me felt like it was
[00:04:42] the first uh I guess the first bit of
[00:04:45] mud that was slung, which it their
[00:04:49] answer for that was, hey, that was a
[00:04:51] really crazy time. There a new system
[00:04:53] had to be put into place and by no means
[00:04:58] did Erica give any person the authority
[00:05:00] to go out and say that the system thing
[00:05:02] was a lie. It kind of turned into this
[00:05:03] big thing. Uh whatever. Okay, that kind
[00:05:06] of obviously was not the meat of the
[00:05:08] reason that uh we wanted to sit down. I
[00:05:12] will say I was immediately refreshed by
[00:05:14] the fact that one of the first things
[00:05:17] that Erica did was she owned the lies.
[00:05:20] The lies or rather I guess they would
[00:05:22] cage it as miscommunications that were
[00:05:24] coming from various people at the
[00:05:26] company. Like look, this is a company
[00:05:27] with 650 people that are employed.
[00:05:30] Everybody at this time is exceedingly
[00:05:32] emotional and they are communicating and
[00:05:34] no matter what somebody says on Twitter,
[00:05:36] they assume that this communication has
[00:05:37] come down from management and that's not
[00:05:39] always a circumstance. But they owned
[00:05:41] right away which felt great that if you
[00:05:45] guys recall we Erica sat down with Glenn
[00:05:48] Beck. I actually missed this portion uh
[00:05:50] because I didn't get to watch the
[00:05:51] interview in its entirety and we were
[00:05:53] pulling clips because a lot was coming
[00:05:54] out very quickly. But there was a
[00:05:56] portion that was going around that was
[00:05:57] viral and it was Erica saying that she
[00:05:59] had Charlie's phone and that Charlie
[00:06:03] never texted anybody the night before
[00:06:05] saying that he thought that they were
[00:06:08] going to kill him. And that obviously
[00:06:09] reflected poorly on me because I was the
[00:06:12] one who said that he did in fact uh text
[00:06:16] multiple people the night before. And
[00:06:20] then I went on Jimmy Door on Friday,
[00:06:22] Jimmy Door show, and I clarified. I
[00:06:23] said, "Andrew Kovette told me
[00:06:25] specifically that he was one of the
[00:06:27] people that received this text message."
[00:06:28] So, I got that first person. I didn't
[00:06:30] get that from a source. I got that
[00:06:32] directly from Andrew Kovette. And then
[00:06:35] somebody who had access to Dan Flood's
[00:06:39] communications said that Dan Flood
[00:06:41] similarly received a text message. They
[00:06:43] owned that right away and explained.
[00:06:45] Erica said that she has Charlie's phone.
[00:06:48] She's looking at his eye messages. And
[00:06:50] it turns out that he like everybody else
[00:06:53] communicates on signal. He communicates
[00:06:55] on telegram and that those commun when
[00:06:58] she heard me say that they then went and
[00:07:00] looked and yes that what I said was
[00:07:02] true. Uh and received a message the
[00:07:05] night before and Dan Flood received a
[00:07:07] message the night before. Now they asked
[00:07:09] me if I had actually like a concrete a
[00:07:11] copy of what Dan Flood got the night
[00:07:14] before and I said no. Somebody told me
[00:07:16] what it said, which was almost exactly
[00:07:19] what Andrew said, which is they're going
[00:07:20] to kill me. Andrew did not know who they
[00:07:22] were, who they
[00:07:25] that he was referring to uh were, but
[00:07:28] they clarified that the message that Dan
[00:07:31] Flood received said the left is going to
[00:07:33] kill me. So, I can't confirm that one
[00:07:35] way or the other. I have to trust them
[00:07:36] on that because I did not see that
[00:07:38] concrete message. I was told that it
[00:07:40] said they. Now, obviously, we discussed
[00:07:44] the moment, and I'm laughing here
[00:07:46] because you Tik Tockers are actually out
[00:07:48] of control. You guys are going to be the
[00:07:49] reason that Israel gets Tik Tok because
[00:07:51] you guys are acting a fool all the time.
[00:07:53] And the videos were so hilarious of you
[00:07:56] guys mocking the Barry Weiss interview.
[00:07:58] It's great. It's good to laugh at
[00:07:59] ourselves. And Barry Weiss is always
[00:08:01] worth laughing at. But I was sort of
[00:08:04] like, hey, I felt name checked by the
[00:08:07] podcaster, Candace Owens, this obvious
[00:08:09] setup. and then asking me to stop. And
[00:08:12] it's interesting to hear Erica say that
[00:08:14] the reason she didn't ask me to stop in
[00:08:16] the beginning because she was she was
[00:08:18] actually learning things from the show.
[00:08:19] She was actually learning things and
[00:08:22] that I think she similarly felt that
[00:08:24] Barry Weiss was trying to create a
[00:08:26] moment. Obviously, it's who Barry Weiss
[00:08:28] is. It's the Zionist lobby. Uh she's
[00:08:31] trying to write wrong perceived wrongs
[00:08:33] because I'm against her side. That does
[00:08:36] not surprise me. That's kind of why
[00:08:37] Barry Weiss exists. That's the reason
[00:08:39] they put her at CBS is because she's
[00:08:41] just committed to uh stacking the
[00:08:44] audience with people that are going to
[00:08:46] present the pro-Israel cause and talk
[00:08:48] about anti-semitism and talk about like
[00:08:50] crime being on the rise. It's kind of an
[00:08:52] embarrassment, but I actually do accept
[00:08:54] that. And I should also clarify that
[00:08:58] Barry Weiss obviously uh picked those
[00:09:01] questions. They were not random. Like I
[00:09:03] told you, it wasn't like people were
[00:09:04] coming to the mic and it was an open mic
[00:09:06] and they didn't know what they were
[00:09:07] going to get. It was all very much
[00:09:08] planned by Barry, but Erica said that
[00:09:10] she knew the general idea like they were
[00:09:12] going to mention me and mention the
[00:09:14] conspiracies and but she was not given
[00:09:17] that specific the podcaster Candace
[00:09:19] Owens question. So, I think that's fair
[00:09:22] to clear that up. Now, I did not at all
[00:09:25] recant any of my suspicions and I I
[00:09:28] understand people disagree with me about
[00:09:30] particular people at Turning Point USA.
[00:09:32] I communicated what I communicated in
[00:09:34] front of the whole world. I uh my skin
[00:09:38] crawled after I spoke to Terrell
[00:09:40] Farnsworth, the person who took the
[00:09:41] cameras down. He lied to me several
[00:09:43] times. I explained to them, which felt
[00:09:45] good to have that direct communication,
[00:09:47] how Terrell lied multiple times and that
[00:09:51] I did not understand why he was there
[00:09:53] that day. They echoed what he said. They
[00:09:56] defended what he said that they were
[00:09:58] trying something new that day. That they
[00:10:00] typically live stream, which is what
[00:10:02] Terrell said. They typically live stream
[00:10:04] and I said every college event well they
[00:10:06] said well yeah they live stream the
[00:10:08] events that are tour stops but they
[00:10:10] don't live stream like the outside prove
[00:10:12] me wrong type events and that was
[00:10:14] something that was new and it required
[00:10:15] ter and I said even if that was all real
[00:10:19] if that was all true I still didn't feel
[00:10:21] good about the conversation that I had
[00:10:22] with Terl and I can't ignore my gut
[00:10:23] about the many little lies that he told
[00:10:26] I thought the video he recorded was
[00:10:27] weird I know he comes from a very
[00:10:29] powerful family I just I personally do
[00:10:31] not trust him And I obviously do not
[00:10:35] like the fact that I said, you know,
[00:10:37] Tyler Boyer lied about this thing and
[00:10:39] said came up with an excuse and said,
[00:10:41] "Well, Terrell was asked to take the
[00:10:42] camera down. That's the reason he said
[00:10:44] on Twitter because the police wanted him
[00:10:47] to take it down and secure the footage."
[00:10:48] And I said, "I know that's not true."
[00:10:49] And they said, "Well, after all of that,
[00:10:52] yeah, a after he took the cameras down,
[00:10:54] there was a police officer or or fed,
[00:10:56] whoever it was, that spoke to him and
[00:10:57] asked him to secure the footage." Well,
[00:10:58] that makes sense, but it's not a reason
[00:11:01] for why he took it down immediately. It
[00:11:02] makes sense that as you're
[00:11:04] investigating, you're going to say,
[00:11:05] "Who's got the footage? You know, let's
[00:11:07] lock it down." But it didn't make sense
[00:11:08] to me that Tyler Boyer uh lied about it.
[00:11:11] And I don't trust Tyler Ber, and that
[00:11:12] does not that is never going to change.
[00:11:15] Similarly with Rob McCoy, he makes my
[00:11:17] skin crawl. I can't explain it. This is
[00:11:19] a I look at him and he's a bad person,
[00:11:21] and nobody can make me feel one way or
[00:11:23] the other about that. I was surprised to
[00:11:25] learn uh and this is kind of gets into I
[00:11:28] guess us not knowing the inner workings
[00:11:29] at Turning Point USA that Rob McCoy
[00:11:31] actually does not work with Turning
[00:11:33] Point USA in any capacity whatsoever.
[00:11:35] And so him communicating as he has done
[00:11:38] like I'm the pastor, I'm this, I'm that.
[00:11:41] It's just not real. Like that is not
[00:11:43] real. And we should know that that's not
[00:11:46] real. And when he says that, call him
[00:11:49] out on that separately from Turning
[00:11:50] Point USA. I was operating under the
[00:11:52] assumption that he worked for Turning
[00:11:53] Point USA. And I said if obviously
[00:11:56] that's that's wrong. I I'm happy to
[00:11:57] correct that. But also, what were we to
[00:12:00] assume when he hit the stage at the
[00:12:03] memorial and said, "I'm America's
[00:12:04] pastor." And then had the Wikipedia
[00:12:06] updated and said, Well, I'm assuming he
[00:12:08] had it updated because who else would do
[00:12:09] that? That he started Turning Point USA
[00:12:12] Faith. So, I guess to be clear, we we
[00:12:16] were just wrong about that. And I will
[00:12:18] have a lot more to say about Rob McCoy
[00:12:22] and where I believe he fits into a lot
[00:12:24] of things. So, I'm not letting up on
[00:12:25] that. Now, one piece of this where I was
[00:12:30] I still don't understand it and
[00:12:34] the magic bullet. Okay, now we all
[00:12:37] recall what happened. I casually say on
[00:12:39] the show, "Hey, I saw the footage. There
[00:12:41] was no blood." And honestly, when I when
[00:12:43] I said it, I didn't process how big of a
[00:12:45] deal that was with the 30 six very
[00:12:48] quickly. What happens is Andrew Kovette
[00:12:50] whips up this this tweet about the what
[00:12:52] happened with the bullet and he said he
[00:12:54] had he wanted to address all the
[00:12:57] discussion that was being had about the
[00:12:58] online chatter. I'm obviously
[00:13:00] paraphrasing here. He says, "I
[00:13:02] apologize. It's going to get graphic,
[00:13:03] but he spoke with the surgeon. The
[00:13:06] bullet should have gone through. who the
[00:13:08] surgeon then explained that what he's
[00:13:09] typically seen on these wounds and
[00:13:12] basically this was all a miracle Charlie
[00:13:14] saved lives even in death
[00:13:18] and the internet clocked it this miracle
[00:13:22] the healthy bone his bone was so healthy
[00:13:24] and and the density was so impress like
[00:13:25] this is a quote by the way his bone was
[00:13:27] so healthy I want to read it this is
[00:13:29] allegedly from a surgeon quote his bone
[00:13:31] was so healthy and the density was so so
[00:13:34] impressive that he's like the man of
[00:13:37] steel should have gone through and
[00:13:38] through. It likely would have killed
[00:13:40] those standing behind him, too. And we
[00:13:43] were just like
[00:13:47] that kind of was like the beginning of
[00:13:50] the WTF
[00:13:52] F, right? I feel like that was kind of
[00:13:54] the beginning of it. And immediately
[00:13:57] people in the comments responded to
[00:14:00] Andrew and he said
[00:14:03] this individual said this post is so
[00:14:05] fake as it would violate HIPPA. Like
[00:14:07] there's patient privacy. You can't just
[00:14:09] call up the surgeon. And then Andrew
[00:14:11] Kovat replies and says rest assured I
[00:14:13] would not have posted without full
[00:14:14] permission. Now he said he spoke to the
[00:14:16] surgeon and they confirmed that Andrew
[00:14:19] spoke to the surgeon but that they did
[00:14:21] not know that he was going to write that
[00:14:23] tweet. He did. They did not know that he
[00:14:26] called up the surgeon. So like it very
[00:14:29] much came across to be like Andrew was
[00:14:31] just flying by the seat of his pants. I
[00:14:34] I I don't I don't know. It like he was
[00:14:36] just flying dark on. And I was like that
[00:14:38] seems very strange to me because why
[00:14:40] would a surgeon do that? Like the first
[00:14:42] thing the surgeon should say is I can't
[00:14:44] speak to you. I don't even know. In
[00:14:47] theory, Andrew wasn't even there when
[00:14:49] Charlie died. I don't even know why the
[00:14:50] surgeon even knows this guy. Actually,
[00:14:53] maybe he hung around after, but you
[00:14:55] know, Andrew was not one of the people
[00:14:56] that got to the hospital or anything
[00:14:57] like that. So, this is this is quite
[00:14:59] literally the PR guy who's calling the
[00:15:02] surgeon. And so, that that just seems
[00:15:06] that just seems very inappropriate for a
[00:15:09] person to do, period. And I would say it
[00:15:11] was kind of the beginning, but that was
[00:15:12] that was what I got from that. Now,
[00:15:15] obviously, we discussed the security. I
[00:15:17] brought up Brian Harpole, this interview
[00:15:20] with Shawn Ryan and I think we can
[00:15:23] believe Turning Point when they say that
[00:15:24] they did not approve of this. They had
[00:15:26] no idea he was going on Shawn Ryan. I
[00:15:28] think that's pretty clear. I don't
[00:15:29] believe he works there anymore. So, that
[00:15:32] was kind of him just getting out there
[00:15:35] and perhaps trying to rescue his own
[00:15:38] reputation. And I think that that only
[00:15:39] made his reputation worse actually
[00:15:42] because people rightfully sensed that he
[00:15:43] wasn't telling the truth in that
[00:15:44] interview that he was being cy that he
[00:15:46] was saying things that didn't make any
[00:15:48] sense. Again, you constantly have these
[00:15:50] people that believe like Brian Harple
[00:15:52] that with enough performance he can sit
[00:15:54] down and you're just going to convince
[00:15:55] people that this is real and this is
[00:15:57] just a different time. Like I said,
[00:15:58] these Tik Tockers are out of control.
[00:16:00] They will check you in 4 seconds. Okay.
[00:16:04] things that the biggest piece of this
[00:16:07] that I want to communicate and that I
[00:16:08] did communicate to them and I hope that
[00:16:10] they took me um seriously on this or
[00:16:13] that rather that they that they take my
[00:16:15] strong advice on this. I said one of the
[00:16:18] reasons why I really want to sit down is
[00:16:19] because I want to walk out of here and
[00:16:21] feel confident saying to my audience,
[00:16:25] hey, like there's stuff going on behind
[00:16:28] the scenes, but Tyler Robinson
[00:16:31] shot Charlie Kirk. like that more will
[00:16:35] come out but you can take it from me
[00:16:36] that this is what happened. I was
[00:16:38] looking to achieve that because there's
[00:16:40] been a lot of signaling from various
[00:16:42] people, some people who are experts, uh,
[00:16:44] some people who have been involved in
[00:16:46] cases that there's obviously going to be
[00:16:48] stuff that the public does not have
[00:16:51] access to. And so it is at least
[00:16:54] plausible that they have seen very clear
[00:16:59] footage that we've been asking for of
[00:17:01] Tyler Robinson getting up there and
[00:17:02] taking the shot. Like they have access
[00:17:05] to UVU camera. So, I was hoping to hear
[00:17:07] that and I said that I was like, I want
[00:17:09] to hear why people feel so confident at
[00:17:12] Turning Point USA that Tyler Robinson is
[00:17:13] the guy. And at this point, they elected
[00:17:16] to call the lawyer, like, you know,
[00:17:19] their their lawyer who is involved in
[00:17:21] this case, one of the lawyers that was
[00:17:23] involved in this case. There's always a
[00:17:24] team of lawyers, especially for
[00:17:25] something like this. And what I got from
[00:17:27] the lawyer
[00:17:29] did not make me feel that Tyler Robinson
[00:17:31] shot Charlie Kirk. does not make me feel
[00:17:32] confident that Charlie that he didn't or
[00:17:34] did shoot uh Charlie Kirk. I was very
[00:17:36] surprised by this. He spoke a very long
[00:17:38] time. I asked, you know, can you share
[00:17:40] with me what it is? And I said, when you
[00:17:42] share this with me, I will not say what
[00:17:43] that thing is if that's what we if we
[00:17:45] want to protect the integrity of the
[00:17:46] case. I'm not going to if you say we've
[00:17:48] got the footage of him taking a shot,
[00:17:49] I'm I promise I won't say that to the
[00:17:51] audience, but I will communicate to them
[00:17:53] that you have something that is solid.
[00:17:56] And no to to the exact contrary this guy
[00:18:00] effectively said not effectively he said
[00:18:04] that they have nothing like but the
[00:18:07] affidavit. Okay. So what you have what
[00:18:10] we have seen is what they have. What
[00:18:11] people what is being discussed publicly
[00:18:13] you are this whole like non-expert
[00:18:14] problem where like well you don't know
[00:18:15] it's like what you read his messages
[00:18:18] that don't have any dates on it. Tyler
[00:18:21] Robinson writing out everything and the
[00:18:23] clean alibi. That's what they have. And
[00:18:25] what he explained to me was that that's
[00:18:27] the affidavit stage. That's where that's
[00:18:29] where it's at. And then what takes place
[00:18:31] now is the investigation is ongoing,
[00:18:33] right? So right now they're looking for
[00:18:35] more information. And once investigators
[00:18:38] uh they could very well have obviously
[00:18:40] footage and that is why they might feel
[00:18:43] uh that oh we're definitely going to get
[00:18:44] this prosecution. But the reality is is
[00:18:46] they don't actually share that
[00:18:48] information with the victim. They don't
[00:18:51] share that information with Erica. They
[00:18:53] don't in this part of the process. They
[00:18:55] will not know what in investigators have
[00:18:57] discovered. This is what the lawyer told
[00:18:58] me until May. Okay? They will not they
[00:19:01] have not seen anything that you have not
[00:19:03] seen is what I want you to know. So with
[00:19:07] that in mind, I'm sitting here going,
[00:19:09] why are you signaling? Why are why do I
[00:19:11] feel like the public's being gaslit on
[00:19:13] this? There's been nothing that's
[00:19:14] convincing. There are so many
[00:19:15] commentators who have gone out and said
[00:19:16] to you, it's overwhelming. The evidence
[00:19:19] is overwhelming. the text messages that
[00:19:21] don't have a date, that don't even sound
[00:19:23] real, that's overwhelming. That to me
[00:19:27] feels really fake and gay. I really do
[00:19:29] want to say that to every commentator
[00:19:31] that is out there trying to tell the
[00:19:34] public and insisting that if you say it
[00:19:35] enough times, it'll become real. You're
[00:19:37] you're actually just being dishonest.
[00:19:39] And I offered that a more honest way to
[00:19:42] communicate would be to say, "We think
[00:19:44] he's involved. We feel strongly. I've
[00:19:46] said that. I think he's involved. We are
[00:19:48] very hopeful that throughout this
[00:19:50] investigation we are going to get that
[00:19:52] concrete thing and that's where we're at
[00:19:54] right now. That's just the stage that we
[00:19:56] are at. That is not what we are getting
[00:19:58] from them. That is like I just I just
[00:20:01] feel like that's really important to let
[00:20:03] you guys know. Let the gaslighting stop.
[00:20:05] They have what you have. Okay? There is
[00:20:07] nothing else. They are in an
[00:20:08] investigative stage. Erica has been
[00:20:10] named as the victim. They will know more
[00:20:12] in this May hearing which is the
[00:20:14] probable cause hearing. That's what the
[00:20:16] lawyer told It's probable cause hearing
[00:20:17] and that's when they will see the
[00:20:19] evidence. That's when they get to
[00:20:20] present the evidence why they are going
[00:20:21] to stand there before the judge and be
[00:20:23] like, "Yes, we need to move this
[00:20:24] forward. It's not just an affidavit.
[00:20:26] We're not pulling together scraps. We
[00:20:27] have concrete evidence." Until then,
[00:20:30] okay, until we all get on the same page
[00:20:31] and understand what else they have, I am
[00:20:33] very confident stating the opposite of
[00:20:35] all of my, I guess, well- paid peers in
[00:20:38] that I don't believe that Tyler Robinson
[00:20:40] pulled the trigger. And what I also said
[00:20:42] to them was, and I said this in front of
[00:20:45] the lawyer cuz I don't I don't know why
[00:20:47] I'm like this. I was like, "You might
[00:20:48] need a new lawyer." I was like, "Because
[00:20:50] this person's trying to sell to you that
[00:20:52] this is solid." One of the rules that me
[00:20:54] and my husband have is that if you have
[00:20:55] a lawyer that tells you like you're 100%
[00:20:58] going to win. It's very it's very clear
[00:21:00] that you're going to win. You need a new
[00:21:01] lawyer. Okay? That's a cheerleader. It's
[00:21:03] not that's not a lawyer. A lawyer, even
[00:21:05] if you you should 100% win, should be
[00:21:08] telling you the risks here. You know, I
[00:21:09] feel good about this case. like let me
[00:21:11] talk real to you. I feel good about this
[00:21:12] case, but here's where things could go
[00:21:15] wrong. I want you to understand those
[00:21:16] risks that are involved. We don't have
[00:21:18] this yet. We don't have that yet. And
[00:21:20] especially given what I told them, which
[00:21:23] is I'm the only your lawyers or the
[00:21:26] investigators rather, not their lawyers
[00:21:27] because they're not the ones
[00:21:28] investigating. It's the state of Utah
[00:21:29] that's investigating. They have not
[00:21:32] called the one solitary person, as I
[00:21:36] told you guys, who filmed as he was uh
[00:21:39] on the roof. Remember the guy that's
[00:21:40] like, "Oh, there's somebody on the
[00:21:42] roof." And he sees him crouched down. I
[00:21:45] said, "I spoke to that person and his
[00:21:47] testimony would be devastating to your
[00:21:50] prosecution." He did not He saw the
[00:21:52] person on the roof. He filmed the person
[00:21:53] on the roof at 12:23 p.m. And he did not
[00:21:56] see that person take the shot. And this
[00:21:57] is not some random student. This is a
[00:21:59] guy who trains people to shoot guns at a
[00:22:01] range. He knows guns. Okay? He saw uh he
[00:22:05] said what he saw was a smaller gun. He
[00:22:08] said that this person uh was dressed in
[00:22:10] black tactical gear and there was no
[00:22:12] recoil. That's devastating to that would
[00:22:16] be devastating to the prosecution. And
[00:22:18] yet investigators haven't reached out.
[00:22:20] Now they offered back well maybe they
[00:22:22] haven't reached out because they have an
[00:22:23] even clearer video where he and that's
[00:22:24] that's true. That's actually a good
[00:22:25] rebuttal. They're like we don't even
[00:22:26] have to sky because the video will speak
[00:22:28] for itself and we saw we saw what we
[00:22:30] saw. There's a there. Okay. But wouldn't
[00:22:33] you still want to speak to the other guy
[00:22:35] so you could prepare uh I don't know to
[00:22:38] to question him something. I I don't
[00:22:40] like that this investigation is going
[00:22:41] on. And I've apparently or I feel as
[00:22:43] though I spoke to more people than they
[00:22:45] have. I spoke both of the people who
[00:22:46] filmed videos that day uh told me that
[00:22:48] they weren't reached out to. So I don't
[00:22:50] I don't understand
[00:22:52] what's happening here. I don't
[00:22:53] understand the confidence I guess is the
[00:22:55] best way to say this. I told them I do
[00:22:56] not understand the confidence that is
[00:22:58] happening. Now, another really big thing
[00:23:02] that happened was
[00:23:05] they brought me Mikey's call locks.
[00:23:07] Okay, they brought me Mikey's call logs.
[00:23:09] And that is why I said this was a
[00:23:11] productive meeting. There is no other
[00:23:12] way to say it. I asked every question
[00:23:14] and they came with paperwork to show and
[00:23:17] to answer and to explain certain things
[00:23:20] also, which was I thought actually kind
[00:23:22] of sweet that I guess I'm you know I did
[00:23:24] on the previous show. I was like kind of
[00:23:26] looking at things in the mic and I
[00:23:27] couldn't find him. Uh, and someone said
[00:23:30] I think Mikey's not his like real name.
[00:23:32] Like they thought it was his middle name
[00:23:34] actually. And I just assumed, okay, well
[00:23:36] maybe he's using his middle name and
[00:23:37] that's why I can't find him. But Mikey
[00:23:39] really wants you guys to know that is
[00:23:40] his real name. And it is his real name.
[00:23:42] I found out shortly thereafter that they
[00:23:43] were uh confusing his middle name with
[00:23:46] they they thought it was switched that
[00:23:48] Michael is his real name. Just to
[00:23:49] clarify that because I realized I
[00:23:51] actually didn't go back and clarify
[00:23:52] that. Uh but Mikey's calls big piece of
[00:23:55] this. Okay.
[00:23:58] I'm going to I guess jog your memory on
[00:24:00] what Blake said about Mikey that day and
[00:24:04] then I'll tell you what actually
[00:24:05] happened because I don't think Blake has
[00:24:08] that great of a memory. Okay, take a
[00:24:10] listen. So, I was not with Mikey immed
[00:24:13] or I don't remember being with him. I
[00:24:15] think I was ahead of him as we left and
[00:24:17] then we get out and I run for must have
[00:24:20] can't have been more than 15 or 20
[00:24:22] seconds and then I realize there hasn't
[00:24:24] been another shot. So, the shooter has
[00:24:26] likely been detained or stopped or
[00:24:28] something, not in immediate danger. I
[00:24:30] pause. I look around me and I see Mikey
[00:24:33] and I see Mikey there and I'll never,
[00:24:35] truthfully, I will never forget what I
[00:24:36] saw because I've seen Mikey almost every
[00:24:39] day for the past two years. Uh, I know
[00:24:41] his personality very well. He's a very
[00:24:43] bubbly guy. He's a very happy guy almost
[00:24:45] all of the time. And I'll never forget
[00:24:48] what I saw because
[00:24:50] it was clear in the moment that he was
[00:24:53] profoundly freaked out. What I'll always
[00:24:55] remember is the way his his lip was
[00:24:57] quivering, which I'd never seen before.
[00:24:59] And you you very rarely see from someone
[00:25:01] that he was freaking out. And then I
[00:25:03] think he literally said to me, I I might
[00:25:05] be imagining this, but I think what he
[00:25:07] literally said was he's and then he was
[00:25:09] looking around and then he says, "I I
[00:25:12] need to call Erica." And he then he
[00:25:14] takes his phone and he begins calling
[00:25:16] Erica. And I don't want to disclose how
[00:25:19] that call unfolded, but he did that
[00:25:21] this, you know, your mind extends all of
[00:25:24] this, but that is happening within
[00:25:26] >> a minute of all of this occurring. I
[00:25:28] remember he calls Erica
[00:25:30] >> I around the same time I pull out my
[00:25:32] phone and I call my mom just to say,
[00:25:34] "Mom, there's been a shooting. You're
[00:25:36] going to see it on the news. I'm okay.
[00:25:37] You know, pray for me. I've got to go."
[00:25:39] And I remember that call. And around the
[00:25:41] time I I put that phone away and then he
[00:25:44] immediately calls his dad. He calls
[00:25:46] Robin McCoy and he says, "Dad, someone's
[00:25:49] shot Charlie. You need to call all of
[00:25:51] your pastor friends. Charlie was hit. We
[00:25:53] need everyone to pray right now." And
[00:25:56] that's what he told him.
[00:26:00] >> Okay. So, that's just not right. And so,
[00:26:01] when he says, "I might be imagining this
[00:26:03] for I'll never forget followed by I
[00:26:05] might be imagining this," probably means
[00:26:07] that maybe you forgot and like you
[00:26:09] really could be imagining. For me
[00:26:10] personally,
[00:26:12] I think the normal physiological
[00:26:14] response in these high adrenaline
[00:26:15] situations for most people is you lock
[00:26:17] in that they're literally your body when
[00:26:19] it goes through something uh when it's
[00:26:22] terrified and it's going through sort of
[00:26:24] like you are really paying attention to
[00:26:27] details. We've learned about this many
[00:26:29] times over in health class growing up.
[00:26:31] This is why they talk about that fight
[00:26:32] orflight response and quite literally
[00:26:34] there's stuff happening to your body.
[00:26:36] And so there's a lot of details here
[00:26:37] that are just just not accurate. And the
[00:26:39] one that surprised me the most about
[00:26:40] these call logs is I certainly feel that
[00:26:43] we were given the impression over and
[00:26:44] over and over again that the first
[00:26:46] person Mikey called was Erica, right? He
[00:26:49] called Erica. He was we were told this
[00:26:51] by many people also that he was he
[00:26:55] trained like like he almost like went to
[00:26:57] a camp and trained and Charlie was like
[00:27:00] 1 2 3 go and like fast one go. That's
[00:27:02] why he walked away go and just told him
[00:27:05] this is what the first thing you do is
[00:27:06] well he didn't do that. Actually, the
[00:27:08] first person he called was his wife. He
[00:27:10] called Elizabeth McCoy. Um, and then he
[00:27:14] stayed on the phone with his wife for 10
[00:27:16] minutes. And during those 10 minutes, he
[00:27:19] three-wayed Erica 3 minutes after the
[00:27:23] shot went off. And then he three-ways
[00:27:25] his father. And then he three-ways a
[00:27:27] third person who I am not interested in
[00:27:29] mentioning because it's not relevant.
[00:27:31] This is Danny McCoy, by the way, is his
[00:27:33] brother that's in the military, but
[00:27:35] that's before the shot goes off. Charlie
[00:27:37] Kirk shot goes off. You know, I have
[00:27:40] that in detail. Charlie's brought to
[00:27:41] security. Mikey McCoy calls his wife.
[00:27:44] They will stay on the phone for 10
[00:27:46] minutes. Okay. In that same minute, cuz
[00:27:49] we know this cuz Blake Nef has given us
[00:27:50] his call log to his mother. Blake Nef
[00:27:53] called his mom. His call with his mother
[00:27:55] lasted 45 seconds. So, we're assuming it
[00:27:57] went to 12:25. It very well could have
[00:27:58] stayed in 12:24 depending on the
[00:28:00] millisecond.
[00:28:02] Blake Nef ends that phone call with his
[00:28:03] mother. Mikey McCoy after the phone call
[00:28:07] with his mother ends call adds Erica to
[00:28:09] the phone. Okay, so that when he was
[00:28:12] recapping and he's like, "Oh, he's lip
[00:28:14] quivering." And he's like, "I got to
[00:28:15] call Erica." And he's like, "And then I
[00:28:17] called my mom." That's not right. That's
[00:28:20] just not right. Okay. Mikey called Erica
[00:28:23] after Blake Nef ended that phone call
[00:28:25] with his mother. if call logs are to be
[00:28:27] believed above, you know, human
[00:28:30] testimony. Mikey McCoy then drops Erica
[00:28:34] from the phone call two minutes later
[00:28:36] and then he adds his father to the phone
[00:28:38] call again. He is this entire time on
[00:28:39] the phone with his wife. Okay. And then
[00:28:43] Mikey McCoy ends his phone call with his
[00:28:47] father. He does call another person who
[00:28:50] I'm not mentioning because it's just not
[00:28:51] relevant to anything, you know, not a
[00:28:53] character in the story rather. And then
[00:28:55] he ends the phone call with his wife and
[00:28:59] a minute later.
[00:29:01] His brother calls him back and they stay
[00:29:04] on the phone for 10 minutes.
[00:29:06] I did not get this from everybody
[00:29:08] speaking about this Mikey McCoy call
[00:29:10] log. I know that you guys did not get
[00:29:12] this. I did not get this. I don't know
[00:29:14] why she was disappeared from this. Like
[00:29:17] you could go like the wife wants
[00:29:18] privacy. know, she was like, you know,
[00:29:20] main stage um at the memorial, has been,
[00:29:23] you know, I would say very involved in a
[00:29:26] lot of this kind of, you know, like I I
[00:29:29] think it's very close that she's close
[00:29:30] with Erica. Uh they went on the vacation
[00:29:32] together. So, I just I didn't I don't
[00:29:34] get this disappearing act. I find I
[00:29:35] found that to be like, okay, but but
[00:29:39] they were forthcoming with it. That
[00:29:41] feels good. That feels good, guys. Like,
[00:29:43] wow, we can we don't have to guess. Now,
[00:29:45] we have solid answers. And like I said,
[00:29:47] when you come out and give solid answers
[00:29:49] and you're not weird and calling people
[00:29:52] names and saying all this stuff, it
[00:29:53] allows people to go, okay,
[00:29:56] I I feel a bit more like we can trust
[00:29:59] this process because we have
[00:30:00] communication. That's the reality. Um,
[00:30:04] and so I just I wanted to update you
[00:30:06] with that. Also, another thing that
[00:30:10] really I think surprised them and I
[00:30:13] think surprised me is getting back to
[00:30:15] this Hampton's retreat.
[00:30:18] The thing about the Hampton Street and I
[00:30:20] communicated this with them that makes
[00:30:22] me so um
[00:30:25] uncomfortable is how many little lies
[00:30:27] were told. I think I've been clear about
[00:30:29] that. Like Seth Dylan definitively
[00:30:31] pressed Charlie at this event. Now
[00:30:34] whether it was in a hypothetical, which
[00:30:35] it was in a hypothetical, but he got
[00:30:38] fired up in the hypothetical of Charlie
[00:30:40] discussing potentially tweeting
[00:30:42] something against BB Netanyahu, it did
[00:30:44] lead to this firecracker moment. Again,
[00:30:46] this is one of those things where I go,
[00:30:48] why am I always being held out to dry,
[00:30:50] like hung out to dry for telling people
[00:30:52] the truth, especially when I wasn't
[00:30:54] going, oh, well, Seth Dylan killed
[00:30:56] Charlie Kirk. I just like this happened.
[00:30:58] It factually happened. And yet
[00:31:00] everybody's kind of putting out these
[00:31:02] weird statements and they're not being
[00:31:04] honest in them. And I was saying to them
[00:31:05] that made me feel really weird. And
[00:31:09] I would love to know more and about this
[00:31:11] BB Netany and Yahoo offer to fund
[00:31:14] Turning Point to the next level. Uh at
[00:31:16] which point Erica said she was not aware
[00:31:18] of that happening. It is obviously
[00:31:21] totally possible that that was kept in
[00:31:24] the business lane of Turning Point USA,
[00:31:26] but I'm certain. I said, I am absolutely
[00:31:29] certain that I did not get this from an
[00:31:31] obscure source that BB offered to fund
[00:31:34] Turning Point to the next level. And it
[00:31:36] was part of my frustration with that
[00:31:38] sitdown with Alex Clark where Andrew
[00:31:42] said, "Oh, there was not $150 million
[00:31:44] that's made up." You know, I told them,
[00:31:46] Andrew Kovette was my source. Andrew
[00:31:49] Kovette told me verbatim that BB
[00:31:52] Netanyahu offered to take turning points
[00:31:53] to the next level and that Charlie
[00:31:54] turned that money down. So, I said
[00:31:58] there's a bit of a predicament when I'm
[00:32:01] being like lambasted by all of these
[00:32:03] voices and people that are attacking me
[00:32:05] and these paid campaigns. And when I say
[00:32:07] paid, yes. Okay. Actually have the names
[00:32:10] of people different ways they're being
[00:32:12] paid. Some are being paid by PR firms.
[00:32:14] Too many are being paid by Prager
[00:32:16] University, which is upsetting to me
[00:32:18] because I know Marissa and it's just
[00:32:20] dirty. But it's it's especially crazy
[00:32:25] when people are calling it a conspiracy
[00:32:28] when I share things that are told to me
[00:32:29] from the spokesperson of Turning Point
[00:32:31] USA. Okay, that's weird. And yes, they
[00:32:34] were forthcoming. Nobody's ever denied
[00:32:36] this. So, this was not on our list of
[00:32:37] lies about the fact that BB Netanyahu
[00:32:40] did call him. Okay, that did happen. BB
[00:32:42] shared that. By the way, our source for
[00:32:44] that could have just as well been BB
[00:32:45] Netanyahu.
[00:32:47] uh and not a lot of clarity on
[00:32:51] I don't know why some of some people
[00:32:53] think he didn't make this offer and why
[00:32:57] definitively three different sources who
[00:33:00] would have knowledge of this confirmed
[00:33:01] to me that BB Netany and Yahoo did
[00:33:02] indeed make this offer. I never said
[00:33:04] $150 million ever, not once on this
[00:33:06] show. I wouldn't have even said that. By
[00:33:09] the way, if you said take Turning Point
[00:33:10] to the next level, I actually would have
[00:33:12] assumed it was more. I'm being honest.
[00:33:15] That's like that's that's a hefty offer
[00:33:16] and it leads to a lot of questions. So
[00:33:19] there was not a lot of clarity there.
[00:33:21] Lastly, I want to add of course I was
[00:33:23] locked in this meeting when people on
[00:33:26] live were another round of debunking the
[00:33:29] Egyptian planes. I want to be very
[00:33:30] clear. We discussed the Egyptian planes
[00:33:33] and I have since worked on an incredible
[00:33:37] document about the Egyptian planes which
[00:33:39] we are going to put up on our website
[00:33:40] because I realized that when we sent
[00:33:42] that when we shared that spreadsheet,
[00:33:44] people assumed that one of the columns
[00:33:46] which was actually saying where the
[00:33:48] planes landed on that day because it was
[00:33:50] plus or minus 3 days was exactly where
[00:33:52] Erica had been on that day and that was
[00:33:54] inaccurate. And so for clarity, I had
[00:33:56] been working on the last week on turning
[00:33:57] it into an interactive timeline that we
[00:33:59] can put up on our website because I'm
[00:34:01] certain that these Egyptian planes are
[00:34:02] incredibly shady and that they were in
[00:34:04] fact tracking Turning Point USA faith
[00:34:07] broader events. Of course, Erica was at
[00:34:09] some of them, Charlie was at some of
[00:34:10] them, but it is the the pattern here is
[00:34:12] undeniable. So, let the naysayers and
[00:34:14] people make videos trying to what do we
[00:34:16] fifth round debunk these planes. I also
[00:34:19] want to say to you that I feel very
[00:34:21] confident that I know why these planes
[00:34:23] have caused such panic and it is because
[00:34:26] there is overwhelming evidence that
[00:34:30] these planes regularly fly in and out of
[00:34:32] Israel and I I'm going to present that
[00:34:34] evidence evidence tomorrow. I say that
[00:34:36] strongly. This is the like I feel very
[00:34:39] confident saying these Egyptian planes
[00:34:40] are flying in and out. And notice I'm
[00:34:42] saying planes because once I was able to
[00:34:44] connect people that were on those planes
[00:34:46] onto other Egyptian planes, I was able
[00:34:49] to realize that these planes are flying
[00:34:51] in and out of Israel and turning their
[00:34:53] transponder off each time that they do
[00:34:55] it. That is now makes perfect sense of
[00:34:57] why there was this mass panic, right?
[00:34:59] It's not exactly like we have a strong
[00:35:01] Egyptian lobby in the United States. Not
[00:35:03] we're like, whoa, well those darn
[00:35:05] Egyptians again are trying to get Tik
[00:35:06] Tok censored. I I mean every person in
[00:35:09] the game Barry acting well the these are
[00:35:12] the usual suspects that act if something
[00:35:13] is a threat to Israel okay which is they
[00:35:16] should have just been forthcoming
[00:35:17] pretended that it was changing apart
[00:35:18] instead they're trying to gaslight us
[00:35:21] and they're actually frankly just
[00:35:22] pissing me off so I became locked in on
[00:35:26] these Egyptian planes because that's how
[00:35:27] I am okay you keep pushing me and keep
[00:35:29] pushing me I will become an expert on
[00:35:31] these planes I'll learn how to build an
[00:35:32] Egyptian plane the reality is like I
[00:35:35] said tomorrow I will show you how these
[00:35:37] planes tie back to Israel and there's
[00:35:40] there's no there's no disproving this.
[00:35:43] So, uh more on that later. We'll be
[00:35:46] right back after uh throwing at some of
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[00:38:58] Okay, so a couple of things I want to
[00:39:00] say. First and foremost, I just got a
[00:39:01] live update that I I thought it was
[00:39:03] Danny McCoy on the call log. I should
[00:39:05] totally correct that and I will correct
[00:39:07] that and we'll be sure to trim it in
[00:39:08] post here, but it is not Danny McCoy. It
[00:39:10] is Danny, another one of Charlie's
[00:39:12] assistants. So, I will correct that.
[00:39:13] Please correct that if you're going to
[00:39:14] make videos. Not Danny McCoy that he
[00:39:17] that called him and then called him
[00:39:18] after. That is another assistant of
[00:39:20] Charlie's. So, we want to be accurate. I
[00:39:22] don't know why I assumed it was Danny
[00:39:24] McCoy in my head. I I may have done
[00:39:26] that. Okay. Another thing you guys have
[00:39:28] may have been noticing that we are
[00:39:29] getting into this weird space where they
[00:39:31] seem to be almost writing like Candace
[00:39:33] Owens fanfiction. I can't even reply to
[00:39:35] things and a lot of you sense that this
[00:39:37] was because we were getting close. I
[00:39:39] agree. I fully agree that these attacks
[00:39:42] which have grown hysterical like I can't
[00:39:45] even begin to tell you the the
[00:39:48] conversations between me and my PR
[00:39:50] person. And I'm like just like there's
[00:39:51] nothing to respond to. I mean there's
[00:39:53] not even one sentence of this that is
[00:39:54] true
[00:39:56] case in point. By the way, um New York
[00:40:00] Post does this article today. It was we
[00:40:03] were actually laughing. Okay. Like
[00:40:06] inside Candace Owens's sadistic and
[00:40:08] dangerous world monetizing baseless
[00:40:12] conspiracies.
[00:40:14] This is after, by the way, they changed
[00:40:16] my my husband's Wikipedia and said that
[00:40:19] he was a Qatari, like he had a Qatari
[00:40:21] passport or citizenship. I don't think
[00:40:23] my husband's ever even flown over Qatar.
[00:40:25] I could be wrong, but I don't think he's
[00:40:26] I know he's never been to Qar. I don't
[00:40:28] think he's ever flown over Qatar. And
[00:40:30] they're just making it up and then they
[00:40:31] make it trend no matter what it is. And
[00:40:32] I'm like, this is happening. It's like a
[00:40:34] psychological operation because they're
[00:40:36] trying to keep us constantly responding
[00:40:39] as opposed to focusing on our
[00:40:40] investigation. Which is why I spent this
[00:40:41] weekend and I just kept down on the
[00:40:43] Egyptian planes because it's it's it's
[00:40:45] completely crazy. And when you see a
[00:40:47] media storm like this, it can only be
[00:40:48] happening because Zionists are locking
[00:40:50] arms and going attack attack because
[00:40:52] they are by and large control the media.
[00:40:54] They just do. Okay? One way or the
[00:40:56] other, Zionists control the Empire
[00:40:58] medias and they are scared about
[00:41:00] something in this investigation. We've
[00:41:01] noticed that from the very beginning.
[00:41:03] So, um, they wrote in this article, the
[00:41:07] New York Post, just to give you an
[00:41:08] example of how insane this is, they said
[00:41:10] they had an inside source that told them
[00:41:13] that while I was at the Daily Wire, I
[00:41:16] just fought with people from the very
[00:41:17] source that in my first week, I threw my
[00:41:21] car keys at a producer and expected them
[00:41:24] to park my car. That sentence genuinely
[00:41:27] made me laugh so hard because I never
[00:41:30] once in the entire time that I worked
[00:41:34] for the Daily Wire did I ever drive my
[00:41:36] car to work. Okay, I just didn't. They
[00:41:38] had a driver that took me there. So, I
[00:41:41] don't know why I would suddenly take the
[00:41:42] driver's keys and then throw it at
[00:41:44] somebody. But quite literally, I never
[00:41:46] drove for Daily Wire. So, it's just when
[00:41:48] I say fanfiction, I'm like, "This is
[00:41:50] fanfiction." Secondly, they say I did
[00:41:52] that to a producer and that I conducted
[00:41:55] de demanded others do my research. Could
[00:41:57] not be further from the truth. I have
[00:41:59] always always done my own shows. I I I
[00:42:02] can't I can't read a script. I riff my
[00:42:05] shows. I think that's pretty obvious
[00:42:07] that I demanded a huge studio uh
[00:42:12] attempted to use their PR firm to get
[00:42:15] the cover of People magazine. Like full
[00:42:18] fanfiction. There's not even a shred. I
[00:42:21] don't even think we ever had a
[00:42:22] conversation about People magazine cuz
[00:42:23] that would not be a normal outlet for
[00:42:26] any conservatives that I wanted to be on
[00:42:28] the cover of People is insane. And they
[00:42:32] said that their sources also said that
[00:42:36] like my team hated me. My team came with
[00:42:39] me when I got fired.
[00:42:41] My whole team's here. So, I was just
[00:42:44] going, okay, what is happening here? Why
[00:42:47] are we talking about Qar? Why are they
[00:42:49] making these things up? And I have come
[00:42:50] to the same conclusion as you. It is
[00:42:51] because we are we are dangerously close
[00:42:54] to something. I think we have to keep
[00:42:56] pushing on the Wuka Air Base, which we
[00:42:58] are doing. And tomorrow we are going to
[00:42:59] get back into the investigation. We're
[00:43:01] just going to ignore the noise because
[00:43:03] as I have said and as I have maintained,
[00:43:06] I believe that Charlie was betrayed by
[00:43:09] people that are close to him. And I
[00:43:11] asked that question in the meeting. I'm
[00:43:12] like, "Okay, if we can agree that
[00:43:15] everyone around you," I was like, "I
[00:43:17] know there are people at turning point.
[00:43:18] They're not good people, right? And it's
[00:43:19] it's feasible that people if they have
[00:43:22] addictions that they, you know, you you
[00:43:23] can definitively get yourself in a
[00:43:25] scenario where you are willing to sell
[00:43:27] somebody out. This is a massive
[00:43:28] organization. How can we so confidently
[00:43:30] state that nobody had anything to do
[00:43:32] here uh to do with um anything here?"
[00:43:35] And I think that one of the things that
[00:43:38] Erica was like, "Well, I'm about like a
[00:43:39] feminist." And I didn't want the vibe of
[00:43:41] that, which I think it did come across
[00:43:43] like a bit of a feminist, to say like
[00:43:44] this is all my family. I'm like, how
[00:43:46] could this all be your family? I I know
[00:43:47] people in this family and they're not
[00:43:48] good people. I wouldn't even do that
[00:43:50] with my own family. Okay, I got people
[00:43:52] in my family like we all do, you know,
[00:43:55] who aren't exactly walking a straight
[00:43:58] arrow in life. And yeah, so I I I've
[00:44:01] communicated that. I have not changed my
[00:44:03] position on that. I am not going to stop
[00:44:05] researching the characters in this that
[00:44:08] I don't feel good about. But further to
[00:44:11] sort of them just creating and making
[00:44:13] things up, Tim P has now gone out and
[00:44:16] extraordinarily claimed that I have the
[00:44:20] same the same security as Charlie Kirk
[00:44:24] and that I'm a fraud and that actually I
[00:44:26] have the exact same security. You will
[00:44:28] recall that Tim just said a week ago
[00:44:31] that I have no security. Okay, this is
[00:44:33] Tim Pool a week ago.
[00:44:36] >> She is burning everything down and she's
[00:44:39] gloating and smiling while she does it.
[00:44:40] And you know what you told me? She has
[00:44:42] no security. She doesn't deal with the
[00:44:45] we have to deal with. She's a piece of
[00:44:47] >> She has security just now on the level
[00:44:49] of you.
[00:44:50] >> Oh yeah, the one fat guy you mentioned
[00:44:52] with no wall and no barrier in a
[00:44:53] suburban neighborhood with neighbors
[00:44:55] shouldn't give two. No one's out for
[00:44:57] her. She's lying about all of this. YOU
[00:44:59] TOLD ME YOU WENT TO HER HOUSE and she's
[00:45:01] got a 4ft wall and one fat guy and she
[00:45:04] doesn't give a about our security.
[00:45:07] >> So that was like Tim last Monday. This
[00:45:09] is Tim who said I had no security except
[00:45:11] for one fat guy, which I told you was
[00:45:13] not true. Now he's saying this. Take a
[00:45:15] listen.
[00:45:16] >> Uh okay. Uh I'll I'll say things that I
[00:45:18] probably shouldn't say, but I'm going to
[00:45:19] say I always get super heated on this.
[00:45:21] Um Candace Owens has the same security
[00:45:24] team as uh Turning Point and and and
[00:45:26] Charlie Kirk did. She's lying. She has
[00:45:28] the same security people. I've been
[00:45:30] digging into this. I've been meeting
[00:45:32] with people and talking with them. And I
[00:45:33] shouldn't say too much because there's
[00:45:34] more that's going to be coming out soon
[00:45:36] because rest assured, people are filing
[00:45:37] legal paperwork against her.
[00:45:39] >> Candace has the same security team or
[00:45:41] has used the same security companies and
[00:45:43] the same security personnel as Charlie
[00:45:44] and Erica did. So when she comes out and
[00:45:46] is questioning them, she is lying
[00:45:49] outright. Now, I've invited many of
[00:45:52] these people to come on. We'll see what
[00:45:53] happens. We'll see when they can. The
[00:45:55] issue is the moment Candace goes on her
[00:45:58] show to millions of people and lies,
[00:46:00] litigation begins. And what happens when
[00:46:02] litigation begins? People don't do
[00:46:04] interviews about about it. She is
[00:46:06] exploiting this and she knows she is to
[00:46:09] keep people wrapped up in this insanity.
[00:46:13] He Tim versus Tim undefeated. And what I
[00:46:16] will also say is that's all a lie. It's
[00:46:18] just it's that's what I'm it's almost
[00:46:20] like they have just sent a a call like
[00:46:23] they're getting too close and just said
[00:46:25] I don't care what you write. I don't
[00:46:26] care if it's complete fiction. Make it
[00:46:28] believable. Uh say her husband beats
[00:46:30] her. Say her like it it's coming after
[00:46:33] my husband. They're coming after me and
[00:46:34] they're making stuff up. I have never
[00:46:36] employed the same security team as
[00:46:39] Charlie Kirk ever. We went our separate
[00:46:41] ways early actually back he there was
[00:46:43] like it's obviously been publicized
[00:46:45] before he had Schaefer security and
[00:46:48] Schaefer security which was run by Greg
[00:46:50] Schaefer who has issued a public
[00:46:51] statement they had Dan Flood and Brian
[00:46:54] Harpool working for them initially I
[00:46:56] told Charlie I did not like the security
[00:46:58] apparatus I got my own security separate
[00:47:00] from Charlie from the very beginning
[00:47:02] okay that's a fact it just is a fact
[00:47:04] there's no way to undo that fact trying
[00:47:06] to do this strategy of you're going to
[00:47:08] get sued is just threatening body. If
[00:47:10] there was any truth to that, you can't
[00:47:13] just file legal paperwork. You have to
[00:47:14] send a cease and desist. You have to say
[00:47:16] something you said on your show was
[00:47:17] untrue. Can you please correct this?
[00:47:20] Okay. And if I ignore that, as I did
[00:47:22] with Brit, because I told the truth, as
[00:47:24] I did with Kim Clay, because I told the
[00:47:25] truth, then you have the grounds to file
[00:47:27] something. We have received no cease and
[00:47:29] desist from Charlie security whatsoever.
[00:47:31] Over what? I mean, the audacity that
[00:47:33] you're filing a lawsuit and someone got
[00:47:35] murdered on your watch because I I
[00:47:37] accurately said that the Brian Harpole,
[00:47:40] the message he showed belonged to Dan
[00:47:42] Flood. It did. And that they didn't do a
[00:47:44] walkthrough on that day. They didn't.
[00:47:47] Like, and if something I'm getting wrong
[00:47:48] and you'd like to show me that actually
[00:47:50] it did, send it. Send it over. We're
[00:47:53] only interested in getting the truth and
[00:47:55] we're not getting it. Uh we're certainly
[00:47:57] not expecting to get it from Tim P. That
[00:47:59] is that is crazy. That's that's just
[00:48:01] crazy town. But I do think that that is
[00:48:03] right now Visa's strategy and that's why
[00:48:05] I want to encourage you guys to stay
[00:48:06] focused. uh Wuka which we're going to
[00:48:08] have a lot on tomorrow uh because
[00:48:11] there's there is something there and I
[00:48:12] think that that caused a panic as well
[00:48:14] as the Egyptian planes which I am
[00:48:16] telling you go back uh relate to Israel
[00:48:18] and I will be able to prove that
[00:48:19] tomorrow for all of the naysayers and
[00:48:21] again it's only because this is how they
[00:48:22] act if they they they always overreact
[00:48:25] and then it lets us know that we are
[00:48:27] close they are like an alarm they are
[00:48:29] just an alarm um something else that I
[00:48:32] wanted to show you by the way I thought
[00:48:35] we were not supposed to be doing live
[00:48:36] streams until we were speaking. But
[00:48:38] Turning Point, I guess, has their daily
[00:48:39] show, but that I didn't feel like that
[00:48:40] that was communicated to me. It felt
[00:48:42] like a ceasefire and then it got
[00:48:44] violated. But they had an interesting
[00:48:47] conversation on their show yesterday on
[00:48:48] the Charlie Kirk show uh about this
[00:48:52] trial, the upcoming trial about Tyler
[00:48:53] Robinson. And here is what they had to
[00:48:55] say. Take a listen.
[00:48:56] >> So, this is straight from the charging
[00:48:57] document. It says Robinson's mother
[00:48:59] explained that over the last year or so,
[00:49:00] Robinson had become more political and
[00:49:02] started to lean more to the left,
[00:49:04] becoming more pro-gay and trans
[00:49:06] rightsoriented. She stated that Robinson
[00:49:08] began to date his roommate, a biological
[00:49:10] male who was transitioning genders. This
[00:49:12] resulted in several discussions with
[00:49:14] family members, but especially between
[00:49:15] Robinson and his father, who have very
[00:49:17] different political views. In one
[00:49:18] conversation before the shooting,
[00:49:20] Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk
[00:49:22] would be holding an event at UVU, which
[00:49:23] Robinson said was a quote stupid venue
[00:49:27] for the event. Robinson accused Kirk of
[00:49:29] spreading hate. And when you see how
[00:49:32] easy that rooftop access is, you start
[00:49:34] to kind of put one and one together and
[00:49:36] you realize that Robinson had a plan
[00:49:38] that he was going to ultimately take
[00:49:40] advantage of. And he he obviously knew
[00:49:43] how easy it was to get up to that
[00:49:44] rooftop, which is Yeah. which is
[00:49:47] terrifying.
[00:49:48] >> It really is. And look, you know, one of
[00:49:50] the other things that's being pushed
[00:49:52] around for a long time was that, you
[00:49:54] know, you TPUSA,
[00:49:56] both the local chapter and and you guys
[00:49:58] didn't advertise this event till a
[00:50:00] couple days prior to. Now, the
[00:50:02] insinuation there is that that doesn't
[00:50:04] give Tyler enough time to plan for this.
[00:50:07] And what we found out with a little bit
[00:50:09] of I don't know 20 uh not even five
[00:50:12] minutes of googling and and looking.
[00:50:14] Yeah. Look, you guys had already put out
[00:50:15] on your website as early as August 27th.
[00:50:19] So we have at least almost a full two
[00:50:20] weeks prior to this that not only the
[00:50:23] time of the event, but the location, the
[00:50:25] exact location of the UVU courtyard. So
[00:50:28] when you have over 10 days of planning
[00:50:31] and it sounds like that Tyler already
[00:50:34] was familiar with the campus to begin
[00:50:35] with, like a lot of the mystery of this
[00:50:38] starts to go out the window and and it
[00:50:40] starts to really conform with what is
[00:50:42] exactly being proposed by the state of
[00:50:44] Utah and the FBI in the charging
[00:50:46] documents.
[00:50:47] >> Yeah. And and we can attest we you know
[00:50:50] Andrew Cipher who's our head of field
[00:50:51] you know Charlie sometimes throw the
[00:50:53] events out you know seven 10 days in
[00:50:56] advance if something opened up in his
[00:50:57] schedule he would be able to do these
[00:50:59] outdoor events a pretty quick turn. Um
[00:51:02] and so those those whole uh that that
[00:51:04] whole theory kind of goes out the
[00:51:06] window.
[00:51:08] >> So unless I am mistaken and I am not
[00:51:10] perfect but I do feel like we worked
[00:51:12] really hard to see when this location
[00:51:15] was first revealed. the first time that
[00:51:17] we found that the courtyard was
[00:51:19] mentioned because Charlie speaking at
[00:51:20] events, your assumption would be there
[00:51:21] inside, right? You have no idea where it
[00:51:23] is. So, it's not like you can see
[00:51:24] whether you have a shot to the
[00:51:26] courtyard, unless you know Charlie
[00:51:27] speaking in the courtyard. The earliest
[00:51:28] that we found that was on September 2nd,
[00:51:32] the local media mentioned on KMYU
[00:51:36] that Charlie was speaking at UVU in the
[00:51:38] courtyard. Okay, that's the first time
[00:51:40] that we found this. If I am wrong,
[00:51:42] please tag me because what he's
[00:51:44] referring to on August 27th that
[00:51:45] happened, which we have on our timeline
[00:51:47] as well, and this is why I love a
[00:51:48] timeline, is that TPUSA, UVU, and the
[00:51:51] local BYU chapter shared a graphic
[00:51:53] announcing that Charlie was coming to
[00:51:55] UVU, but there were absolutely no
[00:51:57] location details mentioned. So, that
[00:52:00] actually does shred the idea that he
[00:52:02] could have practically gone and scaled
[00:52:04] rooftops before September 2nd. That's
[00:52:08] the first public mention is September
[00:52:10] 2nd. They announced the event on August
[00:52:11] 27th. As he says, no location details.
[00:52:14] And then on September 2nd, there are loa
[00:52:17] location details provided by local media
[00:52:21] for the first time. Prove me wrong.
[00:52:24] Okay? Prove me wrong if that is if I if
[00:52:28] I'm inaccurate because I I do think that
[00:52:29] we were thorough on that. I will update
[00:52:31] my timeline. If not, it does then go beg
[00:52:34] the question. Surely they must have
[00:52:36] footage after September 2nd of him
[00:52:39] testing the rooftop in some capacity to
[00:52:43] then realize, oh, it's going to be an
[00:52:44] outdoor event. This is this is an
[00:52:45] opportunity for me to go after him. We
[00:52:47] are waiting for that. And like I said,
[00:52:51] I was told that they don't have anything
[00:52:52] that the public doesn't have. So, it's
[00:52:54] it's not obvious to me. I don't think
[00:52:56] it's obvious to the public. Now, I do
[00:52:58] want to get to Viva Viva Frey, who had
[00:53:03] this to say regarding drones. Oh, sorry.
[00:53:07] I mean, sorry, around the tech uh
[00:53:08] regarding the text messages from Tyler
[00:53:09] Robinson.
[00:53:11] >> A lot has been made about these texts
[00:53:12] exchanged that have gone back that went
[00:53:15] back and forth between Robinson and his
[00:53:16] his lover, his trans furry gay lover,
[00:53:20] whatever. Um, and people say, "It
[00:53:23] doesn't sound right. Doesn't sound
[00:53:24] right." Well, there is a video that I
[00:53:26] want everybody to check out uh by Turkey
[00:53:28] Tom. I believe you've watched it now,
[00:53:30] Viva, where and this has been
[00:53:33] authenticated as somebody who was in the
[00:53:34] Discord chats with them and apparently
[00:53:37] spent time with them at this apartment.
[00:53:39] And he said 100% this is how they
[00:53:42] talked, which is a striking finding.
[00:53:44] We're going to go into that more uh
[00:53:46] probably tomorrow, the next day,
[00:53:47] depending on uh how today goes. But I
[00:53:50] mean, I get the skepticism on this. I at
[00:53:53] first it struck me too, but apparently
[00:53:55] this is how they talk. Viva,
[00:53:58] >> that was not the most um the most
[00:54:01] implausible thing to believe. Okay, so
[00:54:02] you have a text message. It it does read
[00:54:04] regardless of whether or not this is how
[00:54:06] they talk. Um people saying they were
[00:54:07] they were manufactured by or drafted by
[00:54:10] AI. To the extent that they're confirmed
[00:54:12] text messages, you can you know come to
[00:54:14] whatever conclusions you want after
[00:54:16] that. But they, you know, whether or not
[00:54:18] this is how they talk regularly, to the
[00:54:20] extent that those were authentic text
[00:54:22] messages, they show what they show,
[00:54:24] which is whether or not uh his lover was
[00:54:26] aware of what was going on, you're
[00:54:27] etching bullets. And you know, it's
[00:54:29] maybe not for target practice of of a of
[00:54:31] a sporting nature. But like when I say I
[00:54:34] don't believe the official narrative,
[00:54:35] and you have to go back to a number of
[00:54:37] things here. I I put my sort of best
[00:54:39] theory as to what what went down. I want
[00:54:41] to know who was on the Discord chat in
[00:54:44] advance, what they were discussing, and
[00:54:45] whether or not there might have been
[00:54:47] some other foreign in I say foreign, not
[00:54:49] foreign government, but outer influence
[00:54:51] there. Tyler Robinson is getting
[00:54:52] radicalized right about the same time as
[00:54:55] Thomas Krooks, right about the same time
[00:54:57] as uh the other guy, Ryan Ruth. You
[00:55:00] know, he's being radicalized at a
[00:55:01] politically relevant period of time,
[00:55:02] right around the same time, oddly
[00:55:03] enough, as the alleged suspect in the
[00:55:05] January 6 pipe bomber. you know, a time
[00:55:07] frame where political violence uh is
[00:55:12] potentially very useful in in you know,
[00:55:14] for the upcoming election. So, the time
[00:55:16] frame of the radicalization is is very
[00:55:18] interesting to see whether or not he was
[00:55:20] on anybody's radar beforehand. We don't
[00:55:22] yet know that and why there would not be
[00:55:23] confirmation on that can lead to
[00:55:25] suspicion. You remember the old man
[00:55:26] George Zinn arrested for claiming to be
[00:55:29] the shooter the day of and then gets
[00:55:30] busted for CP on his phone. Like I I in
[00:55:33] my mind, if I'm making a plausible
[00:55:35] theory here, George Zinn was probably on
[00:55:37] some Discord chat with a bunch of young
[00:55:39] perverts and he's an old pervert and
[00:55:41] he's getting off doing whatever they do
[00:55:42] on those chats. He knows what's going
[00:55:44] down. He shows up there and thinks he's
[00:55:45] going to be some useful decoy or
[00:55:47] distraction for Tyler Robinson because
[00:55:49] they know what's going down. That's my
[00:55:50] theory. But, you know, it is the absence
[00:55:55] of total disclosure, the total lack of
[00:55:56] faith that anybody has, not just in the
[00:55:58] FBI per se, but in any state law
[00:56:00] enforcement. Nobody has all nobody has
[00:56:02] any faith in our institutions anymore.
[00:56:05] And it leads people to go from, you
[00:56:07] know, healthy skepticism to just not
[00:56:09] believing it to concocting the most
[00:56:12] outlandish conspiracy theories
[00:56:13] imaginable. But then those text
[00:56:15] messages, you can understand how they
[00:56:17] will cause people to come to those types
[00:56:18] of conclusions. And I, you know,
[00:56:21] [clears throat] allegedly the rumors are
[00:56:22] Cash Patel, you know, getting mad at
[00:56:24] Tulsi Gabbard and Joe Kent for trying to
[00:56:26] look into a potential terrorist angle to
[00:56:28] this. also does nothing to um ferment
[00:56:32] faith in the system.
[00:56:34] >> Look, I think it's what he's saying
[00:56:36] there is perfectly valid and we can all
[00:56:38] surmise about what we think happened
[00:56:39] that day. We can also ignore the fact
[00:56:40] that I broke the story that the nurses
[00:56:42] were told at Utah Valley which treated
[00:56:45] George Zinn. Everyone's just ignoring
[00:56:46] the things that I broke. She has no
[00:56:48] evidence. But he said he told the nurses
[00:56:49] that he was paid to do that. So whatever
[00:56:51] we can all theorize and he which we're
[00:56:53] going to do in the absence of any
[00:56:54] concrete facts, but I will say it's good
[00:56:56] that Turning Point is at least giving
[00:56:57] that air, right? I feel before I don't I
[00:56:59] think that might even be the first time
[00:57:00] Andrew Kovette has expressed that he
[00:57:03] thought that those messages were weird
[00:57:05] initially. That's good. That's what
[00:57:06] people want. They want fresh air at
[00:57:07] Turning Point USA. They want different
[00:57:09] perspectives. They want to feel like
[00:57:10] you're willing to have a conversation
[00:57:11] and that at least you're going to defend
[00:57:14] people when they're being called liars
[00:57:15] when they're telling the truth about
[00:57:16] something. That would feel more
[00:57:18] authentic, I think. And so I am just to
[00:57:21] say this very happy that we are on much
[00:57:24] better feet and that we have opened the
[00:57:26] lines of communication. I I do genuinely
[00:57:29] think that Justin Stripe did a great job
[00:57:31] refing that conversation yesterday. And
[00:57:34] I also do want to shout out Megan Kelly
[00:57:36] because this was going we were trying to
[00:57:37] make this happen in the background uh
[00:57:39] really since Blake and Nef fumbled the
[00:57:41] first invite. And thank you. That's in
[00:57:43] large part because of you guys at home
[00:57:44] that were like, "What the f was that?"
[00:57:46] And I think that they got enough flak
[00:57:47] that they were like, "Okay, we got to
[00:57:48] fix this." But I I want to commend him
[00:57:51] for for making that happen, for being
[00:57:53] the person that, you know, kind of
[00:57:54] rolled up his sleeves and was like,
[00:57:55] "Okay, let's actually make a
[00:57:57] conversation happen and start answering
[00:57:58] some questions," which I think was done
[00:58:00] well. And Megan Kelly, who was initially
[00:58:02] going to when we were going to live
[00:58:03] stream the conversation before the Barry
[00:58:06] Weiss moment, Megan Kelly um offered to
[00:58:09] ref that conversation. I felt like she
[00:58:10] would have done a very good job. I I do
[00:58:12] think that she has kept it very even.
[00:58:13] She has not been hysterical and it's
[00:58:15] demonic. It's evil. How dare Candace and
[00:58:18] I appreciated that she has said I don't
[00:58:21] agree with Candace, but I also don't
[00:58:22] think that she's doing this because
[00:58:24] she's been possessed by a demon. I think
[00:58:25] she actually believes these things and I
[00:58:27] do and I have a right to believe those
[00:58:28] things and I don't feel any differently
[00:58:30] about the people that I mentioned on the
[00:58:32] show that I think are shady at Turning
[00:58:34] Point USA. And with time, we'll see
[00:58:37] whether or not I was right. That's I
[00:58:39] think that's that's really what it comes
[00:58:40] down to. But um all around definitely a
[00:58:43] productive conversation. I know it's
[00:58:44] four hours, so things more things will
[00:58:46] come to my mind as they become relevant,
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[01:01:53] get that top comment from last episode.
[01:01:56] You better keep asking questions because
[01:01:57] it's the only thing that keeps us free.
[01:02:00] That is a direct quotation from Charlie
[01:02:01] Kirk and that's why we're doing it. It
[01:02:04] does keep us free and we are all sensing
[01:02:06] the squeeze. It's like they just want
[01:02:07] our speech. They want to purchase
[01:02:09] rational thinking. We can't allow that
[01:02:11] to happen. Okay, from this episode,
[01:02:14] Curbster writes, "I am praying that our
[01:02:16] girl is playing the ultimate long game
[01:02:18] while staying true to her convictions
[01:02:19] and true toward all of us who have
[01:02:21] backed her and Charlie from the
[01:02:22] beginning. I am praying that God keeps
[01:02:24] you strong, righteous, and faithful in
[01:02:25] every step that you take. May God save
[01:02:27] America and protect us all." I want to
[01:02:29] say this to you guys uh just plainly. If
[01:02:32] I was going to sell out, it would have
[01:02:35] happened in the last two years. Okay?
[01:02:37] Those offers were made, those threats
[01:02:39] were made. I hope you have seen what I
[01:02:40] have gone through to keep myself really
[01:02:43] I I I was fighting to stay me and it was
[01:02:47] hard and that it made me really
[01:02:48] appreciate the fact that we do live in a
[01:02:50] matrix and every element is controlled
[01:02:51] and that is why they are vicious right
[01:02:54] now with making up things about me and
[01:02:55] my family because now that I chose
[01:02:58] freedom they hate that I have freedom
[01:02:59] they hate that there's no more threats
[01:03:01] to make right so they're just embarking
[01:03:03] on this fanfiction campaign but
[01:03:06] especially for the people that I care
[01:03:08] about in life Especially
[01:03:10] for people whose heads I have held up,
[01:03:13] who have held up my head through really
[01:03:15] hard times like Charlie did that I would
[01:03:17] just sell out to like the highest bidder
[01:03:19] and go, "Okay, well, you know what? BB
[01:03:22] offered me a lot of money, so I'm going
[01:03:23] to stop talking about this and I'm no
[01:03:25] longer going to explore this angle or
[01:03:27] I'm going to, you know, to repeat to you
[01:03:28] guys. It was definitely Tyler Robinson."
[01:03:31] It's just not in my character. I I've
[01:03:32] always been the kind of person that
[01:03:36] knows that it's not worth living life
[01:03:38] that way. You just your my whole spirit
[01:03:40] would be corrupted. I just I couldn't do
[01:03:42] it. I I struggle with people that can do
[01:03:44] it. I struggle seeing people who have so
[01:03:46] obviously sold their souls on the
[01:03:48] internet. It's it's very frustrating to
[01:03:50] watch it. Central 848 writes, "Canis,
[01:03:53] please look into the possibility that
[01:03:54] Charlie was electrocuted and that the
[01:03:56] hole in his neck was made by the
[01:03:57] currents passing through his necklace
[01:03:59] and out of his throat. the images of his
[01:04:01] charred hands are conclusive and
[01:04:03] compelling. Please, for the love of God,
[01:04:05] look into this. I did watch that video
[01:04:07] that Baron Coleman put together. First
[01:04:09] and foremost, I want to say Baron
[01:04:11] Coleman has done some incredible work
[01:04:12] and I actually told him that we should
[01:04:13] get together and collaborate because I
[01:04:15] had watched video of his where he was
[01:04:16] building on Camp Wuka and he made me
[01:04:19] notice some things. Then we started
[01:04:20] researching some other elements. That's
[01:04:22] what we're going to move on to tomorrow.
[01:04:23] I can tell you definitively that's a
[01:04:25] weird camera angle. They do look charred
[01:04:27] in the photos that he showed, but I can
[01:04:29] tell you that his hands were not charred
[01:04:30] when he was buried. And so what you
[01:04:32] thought that like people were like, "Oh,
[01:04:33] this was like makeup and stuff." It was
[01:04:35] a very compelling theory. It just wasn't
[01:04:36] so. And I very much trust the person
[01:04:38] that told me that. But that said, the
[01:04:42] Baron Coleman, if you have not seen the
[01:04:44] episode where he builds on what I said
[01:04:46] about Camp Wuga, that is worth a watch.
[01:04:49] He kind of suggests in that episode
[01:04:51] which I want to shut down. He suggests
[01:04:53] that I think he heavily suggests that it
[01:04:55] could have been Vep uh the VEP on that
[01:04:58] on the base uh Vance on the V base. And
[01:05:01] I did then research cuz I was like oh
[01:05:02] wow wow is he right? There's actually
[01:05:04] video of Vance. So it could not have
[01:05:06] been Vance on the base. Again I'm
[01:05:07] getting ahead of ourselves here. We
[01:05:08] should talk about more of that tomorrow.
[01:05:10] But that is that is a very compelling
[01:05:12] video that he did which was fantastic
[01:05:13] work and I do want to collaborate with
[01:05:15] him. Maybe we'll do it this week or next
[01:05:16] week or next week Christmas I guess. I
[01:05:18] don't know. We'll figure it out. Jenna
[01:05:21] writes, "Your true fans had no doubts
[01:05:23] about you whatsoever. Merry Christmas to
[01:05:24] you." I was like, "Are you new here,
[01:05:26] girl? Girl, I have been maimed, fired,
[01:05:29] caricature." I'm watching right now. My
[01:05:32] family go through that right now because
[01:05:33] they are so desperate. And I just think
[01:05:36] we're close to an awakening and really
[01:05:37] understanding what real evil is. So,
[01:05:39] we're going to keep pushing. Zachary
[01:05:40] Loft writes, "Longtime listener,
[01:05:42] first-time donor. Why wasn't the combo
[01:05:44] live? Why is Brandon Tatum the only
[01:05:47] creator that you follow on both IGs?
[01:05:48] That was two questions. Okay, the first
[01:05:50] thing, why wasn't the combo live? It was
[01:05:52] first intended to be live. They did say,
[01:05:54] obviously, you saw the offer Blake Nef
[01:05:56] made, which was not a true offer, but
[01:05:57] then what came behind that was Erica
[01:05:59] communicating with uh Megan Kelly and
[01:06:01] me. Megan Kelly was kind of the
[01:06:03] intermediary. We were trying to find
[01:06:04] someone that was fair, like I said
[01:06:06] earlier. And then obviously it sort of
[01:06:09] felt like it got a bit uglier the next
[01:06:12] week. And I sort of felt and I think it
[01:06:14] was fair that then she went on this
[01:06:15] press tour and it was kind of directed
[01:06:17] at me. So then they said, "Okay, well by
[01:06:20] they I mean Justin Strife kind of said
[01:06:22] the temperature is a little hot right
[01:06:23] now. Let's what about we do like an off
[01:06:25] not an off-record conversation but have
[01:06:26] a private conversation." And I actually
[01:06:29] will say I wished it was live. But I
[01:06:31] will also say I am glad that some parts
[01:06:34] weren't because I was then able to tell
[01:06:36] them some things that I have not yet
[01:06:38] said that I wanted to like fact check
[01:06:40] and get some answers on. also to say
[01:06:41] something to them that I found out that
[01:06:43] I didn't say because I didn't want to
[01:06:45] hurt the company in a way. Right. So,
[01:06:47] some of this is very relevant to
[01:06:48] Charlie's research and what happened on
[01:06:50] 910 and some of it is not. So, we got to
[01:06:53] I guess have a better that portion of
[01:06:55] the conversation I think was better off
[01:06:56] camera, but I was always open and am
[01:06:59] still open to live streaming with them
[01:07:02] whenever truly like whenever. You guys
[01:07:04] know I'm an open book. So, it wasn't it
[01:07:05] wasn't my demand that it be private. I
[01:07:07] was happy to do a live stream, but I
[01:07:09] think Justin thought that it would be
[01:07:10] better if after just so we could kind of
[01:07:12] bring the temperature down, which I
[01:07:14] think was very much accomplished.
[01:07:15] Temperature was definitely brought down.
[01:07:17] Zachary Loft wrote, "Longtime listener
[01:07:19] for Oh, sorry, I just read that." Uh,
[01:07:20] Mr. Bruce Lee writes, "People in the
[01:07:22] chat, many other channels are not
[01:07:24] hearing what they want to hear, so it's
[01:07:26] automatically, well, Candace got paid.
[01:07:27] There's the chats are so botted. It's
[01:07:30] it's it's better to actually look at
[01:07:32] comments after the episode to see what
[01:07:33] people think." And we've had so many
[01:07:35] people talk about how there are so many
[01:07:37] bots in the chat. And so focus on
[01:07:41] obviously the words that I am saying and
[01:07:42] obviously you can tell that I have not
[01:07:44] been paid because I wouldn't be talking
[01:07:46] about Israel and I think there's
[01:07:48] something to explore there. We'll get
[01:07:49] into that tomorrow. One Will Wallace
[01:07:51] writes, "Pretty clear to me that Kirk
[01:07:52] was murdered because of his voice and
[01:07:53] influence. Here's some support toward
[01:07:55] that security detail. Thank you very
[01:07:57] much. It's obvious that these people
[01:07:58] will stop at nothing to silence someone.
[01:08:01] Continue to stand 10 toes down for the
[01:08:02] truth, but please be careful. God bless
[01:08:04] you, Candace. Thank you. That is
[01:08:05] actually a tremendous donation. Thank
[01:08:06] you for the guys who have been giving
[01:08:08] these donations which have gotten
[01:08:10] bigger. Uh because you're concerned
[01:08:12] about security and I think everybody
[01:08:13] after assassination is more concerned
[01:08:15] about security. It's a discussion that
[01:08:17] my my husband and I are having more and
[01:08:18] more. And that's why it feels especially
[01:08:20] disgusting when someone like Tim P is
[01:08:22] trying to signal to people attack her.
[01:08:24] Like he's basically trying to signal to
[01:08:27] people that her security is weak or like
[01:08:29] she's using the same security as
[01:08:30] Charlie. all of these things like he is
[01:08:33] trying to put into the air that he wants
[01:08:36] me to be attacked. That's that's how I'm
[01:08:37] taking this cuz why is he making my
[01:08:39] security a theme on his show? I I don't
[01:08:43] trust that at all and I don't know
[01:08:44] what's guiding that. Rio Bay writes,
[01:08:46] "How would Erica and the feds not see
[01:08:48] those messages? That makes zero sense to
[01:08:50] me. I think you're referring to uh the
[01:08:52] messages that Charlie got the night
[01:08:54] before." Yeah, she didn't we didn't
[01:08:56] discuss whether the feds had received
[01:08:57] those messages. I will say that. We did
[01:08:59] not discuss that.
[01:09:01] But we did discuss, she obviously said
[01:09:03] that she did not see those messages.
[01:09:06] So I'm going to read the rest of your
[01:09:07] comment. How would Erica and the feds
[01:09:08] not see those messages? That makes zero
[01:09:10] sense. Erica, Brian Harpole, and so many
[01:09:12] others caught in these lies. This is
[01:09:15] what you fished for. Why go soft? That
[01:09:17] doesn't make sense. Also heard that we
[01:09:19] are chilling with TPUSA members at
[01:09:21] Tucker's party. That's another more
[01:09:23] fanfiction. I have no idea what that was
[01:09:25] about. You're referring to a person who
[01:09:26] went and said that Candace was hanging
[01:09:29] out with TPUSA and Tucker and Marjgerie
[01:09:33] Taylor Green at Tucker's Christmas
[01:09:34] party. To my knowledge, I did not see
[01:09:37] any Turning Point USA employees. I did
[01:09:38] not have a conversation with any of
[01:09:39] Turning Point USA employees. To my
[01:09:41] knowledge that I did not see them. It
[01:09:42] was a massive party. I have never had
[01:09:44] beef with Tucker. That's why I was at
[01:09:45] his Christmas party. And I've never had
[01:09:47] beef with Marjorie Taylor Green. So,
[01:09:48] yeah, I spoke to them. I didn't That's
[01:09:50] what I mean. It's like the attacks are
[01:09:51] just every second of every day accusing
[01:09:53] me of something. And the implication
[01:09:54] there was like I was like sitting on the
[01:09:57] side laughing and enjoying a beer with
[01:10:00] Terrell Farnsworth and Tyler Ber. I am
[01:10:04] sure because Tucker obviously has a good
[01:10:06] relationship with them that there were
[01:10:08] some Turning Point USA employees. I
[01:10:10] didn't speak to them. I didn't speak to
[01:10:12] them to my knowledge. I did not speak to
[01:10:14] them. So I I said I actually responded
[01:10:15] and I said to the person, "Why don't you
[01:10:17] publish who you're talking about? You
[01:10:19] don't have to like everyone's like
[01:10:20] beating around the bush like I can't say
[01:10:22] what I know about her security. Say it
[01:10:24] because you're lying. Okay? If you say
[01:10:26] you know something about how I'm
[01:10:28] actually secretly laughing with Turning
[01:10:30] Point USA, speak plainly. I have nothing
[01:10:32] to hide. I I am not the person who's
[01:10:35] playing any games right now. So, if
[01:10:37] you're going to call me out, go all the
[01:10:39] way. Okay? Go Max on calling me out
[01:10:42] because if I'm a fraud, the public sure
[01:10:44] as hell deserves to know it and you're
[01:10:46] not going to find me in a situation like
[01:10:48] that. Uh, Isabella Mazone writes, "Can
[01:10:51] you elaborate more about Charlie and his
[01:10:53] journey to Catholicism? Did Erica
[01:10:54] confirm that I am going through a
[01:10:56] journey with Catholicism as well?" And I
[01:10:57] think that they should be honest about
[01:10:58] that. Look, obviously Erica confirmed
[01:11:02] it. I was always telling the truth and I
[01:11:04] was that was one of the first things I
[01:11:06] said. I was like, "What was that weird
[01:11:07] Alex Clark thing? I I was being attacked
[01:11:08] for no reason." And then I get these
[01:11:10] people doubling down on it and I know
[01:11:11] that they know that it's true that
[01:11:12] Charlie was going to mass and I I can't
[01:11:15] speak on whether he was close to
[01:11:16] converting. That's a conversation. Like
[01:11:18] you said, Erica can speak on that and
[01:11:20] there might be a time and a place for
[01:11:21] her to do that. I can only speak on the
[01:11:22] fact that I wasn't lying and that I was
[01:11:24] having those conversations with him and
[01:11:26] he was attending mass. And I I do think
[01:11:30] from what I've been told that he was
[01:11:32] planning on signing up and starting that
[01:11:36] process, but I did not personally have
[01:11:39] that conversation with him. So that's
[01:11:40] third party. The right person to speak
[01:11:43] about that would be Erica. And I do I do
[01:11:45] think she should. I think she should
[01:11:46] because nobody was nastier to me than
[01:11:50] the Judeo Christians, the evangelical
[01:11:53] crowd, because I told the truth about
[01:11:55] conversations that I had with Charlie
[01:11:56] about Catholicism. And none of them
[01:11:58] corrected the record. None of them said
[01:11:59] I'm sorry. None of them said I didn't
[01:12:00] know what I was speaking about. They
[01:12:01] just kind of doubled and tripled down on
[01:12:04] attacking me, which is a repeat theme. I
[01:12:07] am always being attacked for telling the
[01:12:08] truth, and I just keep telling the
[01:12:09] truth. So, yeah. What's the lie? Where
[01:12:13] is the lie? Where is the lie? Lastly,
[01:12:16] uh, Lamp writes, "How comeQar is always
[01:12:19] used as the go-to punching bag by the
[01:12:21] media? Why does Qar never even push back
[01:12:23] and Qar seems to never attack Israel in
[01:12:25] a war of aggression or any sort of
[01:12:27] attack? Have they ever even done
[01:12:29] negative anything negative toward
[01:12:30] Israel?" Well, you know, Qar recently
[01:12:32] came out and said, "Yeah, we work with
[01:12:34] Hamas because Israel and the United
[01:12:35] States asked us to. They asked us to
[01:12:37] play the intermediary and now we are
[01:12:40] being attacked for doing what they asked
[01:12:41] us to do which sounds like the most
[01:12:43] absolute United States Israel thing ever
[01:12:46] is to ask people to help you and then to
[01:12:48] be like I'm so horrified by what they're
[01:12:51] doing and I I tend to believe that. I
[01:12:52] don't understand the weird Qatar thing.
[01:12:54] Like I said, I would take Qatari money.
[01:12:57] I would. They haven't called me. It's
[01:12:59] deeply upsetting. I don't understand
[01:13:00] what I'm doing wrong, what I'm getting
[01:13:01] wrong, what I can do better to make them
[01:13:03] call me. I would be totally one of those
[01:13:06] people that's in the commercials. Have
[01:13:07] you seen like Qatari Airlines is
[01:13:08] supposed to be amazing apparently? And I
[01:13:11] would I'd be in a commercial for Qatari
[01:13:13] Airlines. I don't mind somebody making
[01:13:15] that NAI video and maybe sending that
[01:13:18] over to the Qatari embassy and seeing if
[01:13:20] they want to hire me. I'm I am open to
[01:13:23] being paid by Qatar. So I don't I don't
[01:13:26] get it. I don't know why Jared Kushner
[01:13:28] and Zionists are allowed to go to Qar,
[01:13:30] which happened recently, and do deals
[01:13:32] with them. But for some reason, Candace
[01:13:33] and Tucker are not.
[01:13:36] [sighs] It's just not fair. What do I
[01:13:37] have to do to be seen by Qar? I guess
[01:13:40] it's a question for another day. We'll
[01:13:41] see you guys tomorrow.
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