Ro Khanna - Unpacking What Could Be One of the Biggest Scandals in 100 Years | SRS #271

[00:00:02] [music] [00:00:05] Ro Kana, welcome to the show. [00:00:07] >> Thank you. You got quite the studio. You [00:00:10] know, I've done a lot of these. I [00:00:11] haven't ever seen a studio with liquor, [00:00:14] guns, time for from your time in [00:00:17] Afghanistan, Iraq. It's worth coming [00:00:19] here just to see the studio. [00:00:20] >> Well, thank you. If you get thirsty, we [00:00:22] got plenty of booze here. I don't drink, [00:00:23] but it looks pretty cool. [00:00:26] >> You got a great collection. [laughter] [00:00:28] >> Thank you. But um man, this is so tried [00:00:33] to get you and Thomas Massie on at the [00:00:35] same time, but uh he couldn't make it. [00:00:37] But I just want to say that what you [00:00:40] guys are doing trying to bring [00:00:42] disclosure or or or transparency to the [00:00:45] Epstein files and what the hell has been [00:00:47] going on with all that. I mean, [00:00:51] thank you for doing that. Well, thank [00:00:53] you for your voice because you've been [00:00:54] talking about this early on and it's why [00:00:57] I wanted to come down here and uh it's [00:01:01] the survivors. I mean, you know what, [00:01:02] people don't get how bad this stuff was [00:01:05] and of course Thomas has been a key [00:01:07] partner, but you have over 1,200 women, [00:01:12] many of them from workingclass [00:01:14] backgrounds. A lot of them, by the way, [00:01:16] didn't have a father. Like they were [00:01:17] purposely targeted because they were [00:01:20] vulnerable. Epstein creates a rape [00:01:23] island where basically rich and powerful [00:01:27] people go down there either to abuse or [00:01:32] sexually exploit these young girls or to [00:01:35] watch in parties as 13 and 14y olds are [00:01:38] paraded around and they're drinking [00:01:41] booze and laughing. And then you have [00:01:44] people traffked these girls even uh when [00:01:48] they were underage or 1920 being [00:01:50] trafficked to other rich and powerful [00:01:52] folks. They call the FBI. The FBI says [00:01:55] we're not going to do anything. [00:01:59] The FBI says, "What the [ __ ] does the [00:02:02] FBI do?" [00:02:03] >> So there's what do they do? I So I'm [00:02:06] just gonna I'm sorry. I'm going to cut [00:02:07] you off. I've been covering this topic [00:02:09] for a long time. I started this with [00:02:11] Ryan Montgomery [00:02:13] >> about two years ago. [00:02:14] >> I know you did. [00:02:15] >> Then I brought on Tim Tibo. We're [00:02:17] bringing on your buddy Schle who's going [00:02:19] after roadblocks. [00:02:21] >> I know you're the first and only [00:02:24] congressman to actually speak out [00:02:25] against Roblox. At least according to [00:02:27] Schlepp's attorney. [00:02:28] >> Yeah. [00:02:29] >> And you know it's I just interviewed [00:02:32] Elizabeth Phillips. Are you familiar [00:02:34] with this camp? [00:02:35] >> I'm not. [00:02:36] >> It's the biggest Christian camp [00:02:38] >> in the [ __ ] world. And they are they [00:02:41] they I brought Elizabeth Phillips on and [00:02:44] she talks about how they've been [00:02:45] molesting thousands of kids for years [00:02:49] and putting them under NDA after a [00:02:51] settlement so that they can never as a [00:02:54] kid so that they can never come out and [00:02:56] talk about their sexual abuse at [ __ ] [00:02:59] Camp Canook. [00:03:00] >> It's sick, [00:03:00] >> you know? And now we have I mean I [00:03:03] [ __ ] voted for this [ __ ] I voted to [00:03:06] get these damn files released and it's [00:03:08] like a total 180 just happened. [00:03:11] >> Well, I don't I don't know if you had [00:03:12] the president on or the vice president [00:03:14] on on your show, but they had [00:03:15] >> both of them on. [00:03:16] >> They campaigned on this, right? And so [00:03:18] when Massie and I originally did the [00:03:20] bill, we thought, okay, Trump should be [00:03:22] for this cuz he campaigned. He said, [00:03:25] look, we're going to release the files. [00:03:27] Here's the truth of the matter. No one [00:03:30] cared about this issue since the 1990s. [00:03:33] It's not like a Donald Trump thing. [00:03:35] Biden, we didn't release the files under [00:03:37] Biden. This thing was going on uh since [00:03:39] the 2000s. In 1996, Maria launched a [00:03:43] complaint with the FBI. And she was [00:03:47] told, "We're not going to do anything." [00:03:50] By the way, you talk to some of the [00:03:51] other survivors, they were told, "Don't [00:03:52] talk to the New York police. Epstein is [00:03:55] too connected." for 30 years until some [00:03:58] of the documents just came out because [00:03:59] of Massie in my bill. Maria was called a [00:04:01] liar by everyone in power and said, "Oh, [00:04:04] she never filed a complaint with the [00:04:05] FBI." So when Trump said he wants to [00:04:08] release the files, he was right. When he [00:04:11] said that the system is corrupt [00:04:12] protecting rich and powerful people, he [00:04:15] was right. And we gave him the benefit [00:04:18] of the doubt. Then Pam Bondi comes and [00:04:20] says, "Oh, there's no there no more [00:04:22] files." I mean, come on. That's when [00:04:24] Massie and I do this bill and we [00:04:27] initially thought maybe Trump would [00:04:29] support it because his own attorney [00:04:30] general is betraying his promise. And [00:04:33] what has been disappointing is we've for [00:04:35] the last five six months have had to [00:04:37] fight the administration at every step [00:04:39] of the way which gets me to believe like [00:04:40] who is protecting these people? I I just [00:04:44] I don't understand. [00:04:46] I I cannot I got really [ __ ] pissed [00:04:49] off at the Democrat party because the [00:04:51] maps the minor attracted persons [ __ ] [00:04:54] before Trump came into office. We talked [00:04:56] about it all the time. [00:04:58] >> Now I I Why are we protecting Why is the [00:05:02] White House protecting pedophiles? Why [00:05:05] is the White House protecting [00:05:07] pedophiles? I just don't understand it, [00:05:10] Ro. I can't [ __ ] get it through my [00:05:12] head why we would protect pedophiles. [00:05:14] The other thing is this country has the [00:05:17] biggest [ __ ] problem with sex [00:05:19] exploitation and sex trafficking in the [00:05:21] world. We can talk about [ __ ] [00:05:22] Venezuela and Mexico and Ukraine and [00:05:24] Russia and [ __ ] China and waste fraud [00:05:27] and abuse and [ __ ] liberals this and [00:05:29] Democrats this and Republicans and we [00:05:32] have a pedophile problem. We have a [00:05:34] [ __ ] pedophile problem in this [00:05:36] country and nobody's doing anything [00:05:37] about it in government except you and [00:05:42] Thomas Massie. What the [ __ ] is going [00:05:44] on? [00:05:46] >> You know how I know this? Cuz [00:05:48] >> is everybody in government a [ __ ] [00:05:50] pedophile now? What the [ __ ] is [00:05:52] happening? [00:05:52] >> Well, I don't understand who they're [00:05:54] trying to protect cuz I keep saying it's [00:05:55] not about Trump. There's there's so many [00:05:58] people, Democrats, Republicans, who were [00:06:00] involved in all of this. Just release [00:06:02] the files. And we know, they say, "How [00:06:05] do you know, Ro, that there are other [00:06:06] men involved?" First of all, just use [00:06:08] your common sense. There, 1200 plus [00:06:10] survivors. You think one guy raped all [00:06:13] of them? You think one guy abused all of [00:06:14] them? Of course not. There was a system [00:06:17] of powerful, rich men who either [00:06:20] trafficked in these girls or abused them [00:06:22] or showed up to Epstein's Rape Island. [00:06:25] The survivors haven't told me the [00:06:27] specific names, but what they have told [00:06:28] me with their lawyers is the type of [00:06:30] people who were involved. a uh Wall [00:06:34] Street banker, a powerful politician, [00:06:38] and they've said that they sat through [00:06:40] interviews with the FBI. They're called [00:06:42] 302 statements, and they told the names [00:06:44] on those 302 statements. So, release the [00:06:48] 302 statements. They're not doing that. [00:06:50] Even though the law explicitly calls for [00:06:52] releasing those statements, we'll know [00:06:54] who these powerful men are. Then there [00:06:56] was a prosecution memo. You know, [00:06:58] originally there were 60 counts against [00:07:00] Epstein in supposed to be in Florida. [00:07:03] They prosecuted him on two counts. [00:07:06] There's a memo which explains why there [00:07:08] should have been 60 counts, including [00:07:10] ties with foreign countries, including [00:07:12] ties with people uh who were being who [00:07:15] were financing him, including [00:07:17] allegations of a honeypot uh system [00:07:19] where he was trying to entrap basically [00:07:21] powerful men. And they're not releasing [00:07:24] the memo even though the law explicitly [00:07:27] says we want to know all the decisions [00:07:29] of why he was charged or not charged. [00:07:32] This is I mean it's a it's they're [00:07:33] covering it up and the people are asking [00:07:36] why who are the powerful forces that [00:07:39] have such influence that they're [00:07:41] covering this up. every every citizen I [00:07:45] talk to, hear, see, see say see on [00:07:48] social, anything once those files [00:07:50] released, was it every single person in [00:07:53] Congress that voted for it to release [00:07:55] him? And was there every single person [00:07:57] in the Senate except one person? [00:08:00] >> Everyone in the House except one. [00:08:01] >> Everyone in the House except [00:08:02] >> and every senator. And but I got to give [00:08:05] credit not just to Massiey's courage [00:08:08] because he's got billionaires funding [00:08:09] against him and the billionaires don't [00:08:11] like me. these days either. I mean, you [00:08:12] so you you go after the Epstein class. [00:08:14] You make a lot of enemies. You know, [00:08:16] look at my ex uh and you see the people [00:08:19] who go after Massie and me, but it [00:08:21] wasn't just Massie uh and me. Marjorie [00:08:23] Taylor Green, Lauren Boowbert, and Nancy [00:08:26] Mace stuck their neck out to sign a [00:08:30] discharge petition that the two of us [00:08:31] had to force a vote on it. They got [00:08:34] bullied by the White House. They got [00:08:36] bullied by the speaker. They got [00:08:37] threatened. Their political careers were [00:08:39] threatened. Marjorie Taylor Green lost [00:08:41] her seat, gave up her seat in Congress [00:08:43] over this. [00:08:44] >> Yeah. Didn't didn't the president tell [00:08:47] her what did he tell her? [00:08:49] >> Oh, he he he told he told her that uh [00:08:54] she's betraying him. Look, Marjorie [00:08:56] Taylor Green was for Donald Trump when [00:08:57] he came down the escalator. She was with [00:09:00] Donald Trump when he ran in 2020 and [00:09:03] lost. She was with Donald Trump when he [00:09:05] said the election was stolen. I to [00:09:06] disagree with her, but she was out there [00:09:08] defending him. She was with Donald Trump [00:09:10] in 2024 when Dantis and others were [00:09:12] talking to about running against him. No [00:09:15] one had been more loyal to do to Donald [00:09:17] Trump and she when she joined the [00:09:20] petition, she says, "Ro, I'm going to [00:09:21] explain to Trump that he actually can be [00:09:24] a hero. He's going to come on board. I'm [00:09:25] telling you, he's going to come on [00:09:26] board." She said Trump says to him, [00:09:29] "Well, you're hurting some of my [00:09:30] friends. You're this is not the right [00:09:31] thing. You're hurting people." How about [00:09:33] hurting the survivors? How about hurting [00:09:35] the women? [00:09:36] >> Yeah. How about the [ __ ] kids? It's [00:09:38] kids. Girls, [00:09:39] >> kids hurting your friends, you know, [00:09:41] >> gives a [ __ ] about your [ __ ] friends. [00:09:43] We give a [ __ ] about kids. [00:09:45] >> And these are these are workingass [00:09:47] girls. I wish people could see their [00:09:49] stories and how they were exploited. [00:09:51] It's a class issue. Rich, powerful [00:09:53] people connected to politicians doing [00:09:56] figuring out, well, who's vulnerable, [00:09:58] who doesn't have a father, who doesn't [00:10:00] have a lot of money, you know, uh how do [00:10:03] we get that girl uh to start with giving [00:10:05] us massages? You know what the saddest [00:10:07] thing that I heard from a survivor? They [00:10:10] were saying that the survivors are [00:10:12] guilty cuz the survivors were actually [00:10:14] recruiters of aiding and abetting uh [00:10:17] other girls uh in getting raped or [00:10:19] getting abused. So one of the survivors [00:10:21] says, "Yeah, I did that. You know why I [00:10:22] did that? Cuz I was so afraid that I was [00:10:25] going to be abused that I went and I got [00:10:28] other junior high girls and other high [00:10:30] school girls to take my place cuz I [00:10:32] didn't want to be abused." [00:10:33] >> Junior high girls. [00:10:35] >> Junior high girls. junior high girls and [00:10:37] we can't release the files be before we [00:10:39] move on and and we just both get pissed [00:10:42] off side of what we're doing. I just [00:10:45] what we talked about Ryan Montgomery, [00:10:49] Tim Tibo, I told you about Elizabeth [00:10:51] Phillips who I just interviewed. We're [00:10:52] bringing on slept. I mean it's such a [00:10:55] problem in this country. What I'm I'm [00:10:57] just curious what what can parents do [00:11:01] right now? not call their congressman, [00:11:04] not call their senator. That shit's not [00:11:07] working. What can people do right now on [00:11:10] their own to protect their kids? [00:11:14] One, they need to know how widespread [00:11:16] this is. You know how it's widespread? I [00:11:18] I realize this cuz since I've been [00:11:20] affiliated with Epstein, I get stopped [00:11:22] on an airport. People will say, "Hey, [00:11:25] congressman, can I tell you about what [00:11:26] happened to me?" [00:11:28] I get I had I've known people for 30 [00:11:31] years and they said, you know, Ro, [00:11:34] something happened. One person told me, [00:11:35] you know, when I was four to eight years [00:11:37] old, my uh babysitter's boyfriend abused [00:11:42] me. And I never told my mom or my dad [00:11:46] cuz my dad would have killed the guy and [00:11:48] my mom would have totally lost it. So, [00:11:50] I've held this with me. And she said to [00:11:53] me, "Ro, it's like a box. You put it in [00:11:55] a box and you put it away, but it comes [00:11:58] back at any moment. And the amount of [00:12:02] people who have faced this, I'm not [00:12:03] saying all from Epstein, obviously, just [00:12:05] faced this in this country is [00:12:07] extraordinary. And it's sickening. It's [00:12:10] a s it's a national crisis. First thing [00:12:12] we need to realize is we've got a moral [00:12:14] crisis in this country. Mhm. [00:12:16] >> Second thing is when you're having your [00:12:18] kids go to a sleepover, go to a sports [00:12:22] game, go on a field trip, be paranoid. I [00:12:26] mean, I don't want to scare folks, but [00:12:27] when you have them on a a gaming site, [00:12:30] when you have them on the internet, they [00:12:32] need to be paranoid. The parents need to [00:12:34] understand that this is not something [00:12:37] that happens uh in a remote part of the [00:12:40] country. This could happen to your kids. [00:12:42] Mhm. [00:12:43] >> But the main reason I want these Epstein [00:12:45] files out is cuz it'll force a reckoning [00:12:47] in this country. People are it'll be the [00:12:49] biggest scandal I fundamentally believe [00:12:50] in 100 years cuz it's going to expose [00:12:52] what's how sick our elite culture is [00:12:55] where for their own gratification they [00:12:58] think that they can just abuse these [00:12:59] girls and nothing will happen. And that [00:13:02] kind of culture has permeated uh across [00:13:06] the nation. They need to be shamed. They [00:13:08] need to be held accountable. [00:13:09] >> Mhm. You know, John, there buildings [00:13:12] named after some of these people and [00:13:13] these survivors go around and they're [00:13:15] seeing these people celebrated in the [00:13:17] financial world, in the political world, [00:13:20] honored, and they've committed the most [00:13:23] heinous act. It's like we may not agree [00:13:25] on much. I think most Americans agree [00:13:26] you don't rape American girls. Like [00:13:29] that's that's the the line. Don't rape [00:13:32] any girls. None. But uh well, Ro, let me [00:13:36] give you an introduction here before we [00:13:37] get started. So [clears throat] [00:13:43] Ro Kana, representative for California's [00:13:46] 17th congressional district in Silicon [00:13:48] Valley, an advocate for progressive [00:13:51] economic patriotism, reducing inequality [00:13:54] in ethical tech governance. [00:13:56] And most significantly, you had the [00:13:58] courage to co-sponsor along with [00:14:00] Representative Massie the bill to fully [00:14:03] release the Epstein files to the public. [00:14:05] And that's really why you're here. [00:14:07] husband to Ridu and father of two [00:14:09] children. And I've heard I'm told you're [00:14:12] here to break break some new news here [00:14:14] as well. So, I'm excited about that. And [00:14:17] uh you know, while we're on while we're [00:14:19] on the Epstein stuff, I looked at Poly [00:14:21] Market on Poly Market that they give a [00:14:24] 3% chance that the evidence Epstein [00:14:27] blackmailed politicians will be released [00:14:29] by January 31st. Only a 3% chance. [00:14:34] Anything that has to do with government [00:14:36] accountability or doing the right thing [00:14:38] always has a very very very low chance [00:14:42] that it's going to happen on poly [00:14:44] market. Why do you think that? [00:14:45] >> That's sad. It's sad it's 3%. Because we [00:14:49] pulled off the almost impossible getting [00:14:51] the bill through the house, through the [00:14:54] senate, the president to sign it, uh, [00:14:57] and [00:14:59] having a judge now order all the files [00:15:01] released. [00:15:03] the fact that people still don't believe [00:15:05] government. I mean, this should be a [00:15:07] wakeup call. We've got a crisis in this [00:15:10] country of trust. [00:15:12] >> And I'll tell you what the files are [00:15:14] that need to be released. The witness [00:15:15] statements, the prosecution memos, and [00:15:18] we'll know who the people are to hold [00:15:20] accountable. Good. Good. Real quick, [00:15:24] everybody gets a gift. [00:15:26] >> Oh, here you go. [00:15:31] Vigilance League gummy bears made in the [00:15:33] USA. [clears throat] [00:15:35] >> Legal in all 50 states. [00:15:37] >> I'm going to Does this give you like [00:15:38] some secret power? [00:15:39] >> Nope. [laughter] [00:15:40] >> I wish it did. [00:15:42] >> Does it, you know, I do I get to like [00:15:44] take these and then go meet Pam Bondi, [00:15:46] get the files out or, you know, [00:15:48] >> I hope so. [00:15:48] >> I love it. [00:15:49] >> I'll give you an extra bag for her. [00:15:52] >> And then uh I have a Patreon account. [00:15:54] It's a subscription account. We've [00:15:56] turned it into quite the community. And [00:15:58] uh so thank you for this. [00:15:59] >> You're welcome. And so I offer I offer [00:16:02] them the opportunity to ask every guest [00:16:03] a question. So this is from Braxton [00:16:05] Ballard. [00:16:06] >> Congressman Connor, [00:16:08] >> with the current delay of the Epstein [00:16:10] file release and lack of clarity in the [00:16:13] information that is provided, what [00:16:14] actions do American citizens have to [00:16:17] begin demanding justice? [00:16:21] >> They need to say first why this matters. [00:16:23] Because you know what politicians say, [00:16:24] "Oh, people just care about health care [00:16:26] costs." They do. They care about housing [00:16:28] costs. Uh, Rowan Massie, this is a [00:16:31] conspiracy theory. It's a distraction. [00:16:34] People don't care. Let them know, first [00:16:36] of all, you're a congressman, your [00:16:38] senator, your politicians, that you care [00:16:40] that rich and powerful people can't play [00:16:42] by their own rules, and you want to know [00:16:44] who these people are so they're [00:16:46] prosecuted and held accountable, and [00:16:47] that you're disgusted that young girls [00:16:49] were raped on a rape island and abused. [00:16:51] And you don't think it's a conspiracy [00:16:53] theory that you want to know who the [00:16:55] other powerful men are. Look, you either [00:16:57] believe Massie me and the survivors and [00:16:59] people like Marjorie Taylor Green that [00:17:01] this is one of the greatest scandals and [00:17:03] there are a lot of powerful people who [00:17:05] raped these girls uh or covered it up [00:17:07] and are hiding behind it or you believe [00:17:09] that it's a hoax. There's no in between. [00:17:11] Uh you either think I'm a liar, [00:17:13] Massiey's a liar, Margie Taylor Green's [00:17:15] a liar, the survivors are a liar, or you [00:17:17] believe that something disgusting [00:17:20] happened. So if we have that kind of [00:17:22] outrage and then you messy and I this is [00:17:25] my fight. I'm not giving up. Massiey's [00:17:27] not giving up. We've taken on a lot of [00:17:29] interest. I don't care. Like, I'm going [00:17:31] to fight every day I'm in Congress until [00:17:34] these files are released. And we we just [00:17:36] uh put to a judge to create a special [00:17:39] master to get these documents out. Uh [00:17:42] there are millions of these documents. I [00:17:43] know where which documents have the [00:17:45] information. Uh and we need people [00:17:48] amplifying it. When we Massie and I do [00:17:50] something, blast it all over to the [00:17:52] members of Congress. tell the president [00:17:54] that the MAGA base, you know what's most [00:17:55] helpful is when the MAGA base speaks up [00:17:57] because he doesn't care about people [00:17:59] like me who voted for Kla Harris. He [00:18:01] doesn't care about people who are upset [00:18:03] who've impeached him twice. I mean, he's [00:18:05] like, "Well, screw them. I won." [00:18:07] >> He cares about people who voted for him. [00:18:09] He cares about people who are with him. [00:18:11] And if they say to him, you know, Mr. [00:18:13] President, like, we're with you and all [00:18:14] your other stuff, but not this, that's [00:18:17] what's going to make a difference. I've [00:18:19] seen a lot of people reverse their [00:18:22] opinions about a lot of a lot of very [00:18:25] big podcasters [00:18:28] dropping like flies, you know, in this [00:18:31] in this administration. But you how many [00:18:33] how many files are there? The there are [00:18:36] there's 300 megabits is what Cash Patel [00:18:40] said, the FBI director, and they've [00:18:42] released uh one so far megabits. So, [00:18:45] it's like they've released less than 1%. [00:18:47] How? So, [00:18:50] how is that legal? [00:18:52] Isn't Isn't it illegal what they're [00:18:54] doing? [00:18:55] >> Well, it's illegal. It's obstruction of [00:18:57] justice. A new president could prosecute [00:18:58] them uh for what they're doing. They [00:19:01] realize this and that's why Pam Bondi [00:19:03] has now said to the judge, "Okay, we [00:19:05] have millions more documents we need to [00:19:07] release. We need more time." And so, why [00:19:11] why do they need time? [00:19:13] >> It's a [ __ ] digital file. Why do you [00:19:16] need time? So, they've got actually [00:19:18] twothirds of the Southern District of [00:19:19] New York attorneys working on this [00:19:21] apparently. [00:19:21] >> Working on what? [00:19:22] >> On on redactions. Look, they need to [00:19:25] look for some redactions, which is the [00:19:27] survivors. But you know what? They've [00:19:29] released some files with the survivors [00:19:31] names, but not the people who abuse the [00:19:32] survivors names. So, they're claiming [00:19:34] that they've got to get the survivors [00:19:36] names out. Fine. They're legitimate. [00:19:38] They are legitimately [00:19:40] proactively [00:19:42] protecting pedophiles. They are [00:19:44] protecting pedophiles at this point [00:19:46] >> by redacting the abusers names [00:19:49] >> by [00:19:50] >> the White House. Listen up everybody. [00:19:53] The [ __ ] White House is protecting [00:19:57] pedophiles. [00:19:59] You hear that? They're [ __ ] [00:20:00] protecting pedophiles. That's what the [00:20:03] [ __ ] they're doing. And they're doing it [00:20:05] because these people are rich, cuz they [00:20:08] were donors. Because they're powerful [00:20:10] politicians. [00:20:12] And look, I don't want to stoke baseless [00:20:15] allegations, but it's clear to me that [00:20:16] there's been some connections to foreign [00:20:18] governments. [00:20:20] >> Which foreign governments? [00:20:22] >> Well, there's connections of of [00:20:24] certainly in the in the files to Israel. [00:20:26] We need to know what what those [00:20:28] connections are. There have been [00:20:30] questions and connections to Russia and [00:20:32] the Russian oligarchs. We need to know [00:20:34] what that information is. And from [00:20:38] survivors lawyers, they're saying there [00:20:39] are other national security uh agencies [00:20:42] involved. I mean, think about it. How [00:20:43] does Epstein as a school teacher end up [00:20:47] with a half a billion dollars? He [00:20:49] >> It's a great question. [00:20:50] >> He didn't invent AI. You know, he's not [00:20:53] like those founders who came come to [00:20:55] you, I'm doing some tech company. He's [00:20:57] there and he's getting money from all [00:20:59] these people and he's got this ring of [00:21:01] sex trafficking going on where he's [00:21:05] farming out girls to different people [00:21:07] and he's having these parties on [00:21:09] Epstein's rape island. Like, how is this [00:21:12] not the biggest scandal that you got [00:21:14] these rich powerful people in our [00:21:17] society who think they get to play by [00:21:19] their own set of rules? You know what [00:21:21] what what upsets me, what pisses me off [00:21:23] is people like you go and take all this [00:21:26] risk with your life in Iraq, in [00:21:27] Afghanistan, the the the guys who [00:21:30] whatever you think of Venezuela, the [00:21:31] guys who took the risk of their lives [00:21:33] with that. They have this honor to the [00:21:36] country sacrifice for our values. And [00:21:39] you got rich and powerful people who [00:21:40] think they've made a bunch of money who [00:21:42] can exploit American girls or girls who [00:21:45] are girls are immigrants and have no [00:21:47] consequence and get away with it. They [00:21:50] It's unamerican. It's the most [00:21:52] unAmerican selfish thing that totally [00:21:56] degrades the service of people who do [00:21:59] things honorable things like wear our [00:22:01] the military uniform and serve the [00:22:03] nation. And that's why I want to stick [00:22:05] it to him. I I I this whole Epstein [00:22:07] class needs to go. And to me, this is [00:22:09] the biggest issue in American politics. 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I mean, I I [00:25:34] believe you seen anything [00:25:36] >> from survivors and survivors lawyers. I [00:25:38] mean, I I think that there are people uh [00:25:42] that were uh rich and powerful folks uh [00:25:46] who uh conveniently were were were given [00:25:51] access to these parties or access to [00:25:53] these girls. Uh and um Epstein in turn [00:25:58] had a lot of information and a lot of [00:25:59] contacts and was able to facilitate a [00:26:02] lot of meetings. Now I don't know what [00:26:04] his motive was. Was he was he doing what [00:26:07] was he doing? Who was he doing the [00:26:09] bidding for? That's why we need the [00:26:11] files out. You know, you've got a [00:26:13] background in intelligence. You you'd [00:26:15] have better sense than me. But I know [00:26:17] that it's not something doesn't smell [00:26:19] right. It doesn't smell right that you [00:26:20] have someone contact the FBI in 1996, [00:26:24] Maria, and say that this guy is abusing [00:26:26] young girls and the FBI does doesn't [00:26:28] look into it. Not only do they not look [00:26:30] into it, our government and every person [00:26:33] in the media has spent the last 30 years [00:26:35] saying she was a liar. She never [00:26:37] contacted the FBI. And it's only because [00:26:39] of Massie and my law that part of the [00:26:41] documents they came out was her [00:26:43] complaint to the FBI in 1996. 30 years [00:26:46] later, she's vindicated. But there is [00:26:51] something deeply rotten about what [00:26:54] happened. And I want to know the [00:26:57] financial interest who paid this guy, [00:26:59] what his motive was to try to get all [00:27:02] these rich and powerful people. I mean, [00:27:03] don't you think it's a bit odd that he's [00:27:05] talking to prime ministers and [00:27:07] politicians and head bankers and they [00:27:09] all are going down to this. [00:27:10] >> Everybody thinks it's odd. You know, [00:27:12] >> everybody thinks it's odd. [00:27:14] >> And and if there's nothing to hide, [00:27:16] here's what I don't understand. All [00:27:17] these people are saying it's a hoax. [00:27:19] It's a conspiracy. Massie and Connor are [00:27:21] out there. They're stoking conspiracy. [00:27:23] You know how you settle it? What [00:27:24] conspiracy? [00:27:25] >> Well, they're like, "Oh, their their [00:27:28] claim, this is how ludicrous their claim [00:27:30] is. Their claim is the only bad guy is [00:27:31] Epstein and Maxwell and everyone else, [00:27:34] it's all it's all it's just Epstein and [00:27:36] Maxwell who was a pervert and that and [00:27:39] we're we're focused on a dead guy who [00:27:41] was a pervert and give it up." No one [00:27:43] else was involved. Okay, if that's what [00:27:45] you believe that Epstein and Maxwell [00:27:47] pulled this off with,200 girls and [00:27:49] survivors and all the girls and and the [00:27:51] women now are lying about the other rich [00:27:53] and powerful people and then he just [00:27:56] happened to make a half a billion [00:27:57] dollars and he just happened to email [00:27:59] every powerful person in the world, [00:28:01] including uh the current president and [00:28:03] past presidents and heads of states [00:28:05] around the world. You know, most people [00:28:07] can't even shake hands or get within a [00:28:10] thousand feet of a president and this [00:28:12] guy knows them all and but it was just [00:28:14] that he was a sexual pervert and no one [00:28:15] else was involved. If that really is the [00:28:17] case, then release the damn files. [00:28:19] Release the files and prove Massie and [00:28:21] me a liar. But there's there's no gray [00:28:25] here. Either Massie and I and the [00:28:27] survivors are telling the truth or we're [00:28:31] lying. So expose us. If if you think [00:28:34] we're lying, expose us. you'd end you'd [00:28:36] end their political careers. But I know [00:28:38] that I'm telling the truth. Massie knows [00:28:41] that he's telling the truth. And I'm [00:28:42] willing to take on the wrath of powerful [00:28:46] interest because ultimately until we [00:28:49] hold a corrupt class accountable, people [00:28:51] aren't going to trust government. And [00:28:53] I'm, you know, I'm more liberal than [00:28:54] you. I'm a progressive. I want the [00:28:56] government to do stuff, healthcare, [00:28:57] childcare. How do I make that case when [00:28:59] people say the government is corrupt? I [00:29:01] got You got to have transparency in [00:29:03] government. [snorts] What I mean, what [00:29:05] are these? What are the files? Who wrote [00:29:08] the files? Where did they come from? Are [00:29:10] they FBI files? Are they Epstein's [00:29:12] files? Are they MSAD's files? Are they [00:29:15] Russian files? What are the What are the [00:29:17] files? Who is keeping tabs on all this [00:29:19] [ __ ] So, some of the files are the FBI. [00:29:22] That's the most straightforward thing. [00:29:25] They're basically 1,200 survivors and [00:29:28] their lawyers who meet with an FBI agent [00:29:31] and were interviewed and they ask these [00:29:35] survivors, "Tell us what happened to [00:29:37] you. Tell us who else was involved." [00:29:39] They're called 302 statements. Those [00:29:42] statements should come out. They haven't [00:29:43] released a single one of those. That's [00:29:45] the first thing they should release. And [00:29:47] then though the FBI goes and interviews [00:29:49] these men, suspects, some of them may be [00:29:51] innocent. And I'm not saying everyone [00:29:52] who the FBI interviews is guilty, but [00:29:55] they have memorandum of that. They say, [00:29:56] "Okay, when did you show up to the [00:29:58] island? What were you doing? Why did you [00:30:00] meet Epstein?" They should release all [00:30:02] of that. They don't they have not [00:30:03] released that. Then you have So those [00:30:05] are the FBI files. Then you have the [00:30:07] Justice Department that took Epstein's [00:30:10] computer and he's they've got all his [00:30:13] emails. They've got the photographs. [00:30:15] They've got his correspondence. They [00:30:18] should release all of that. They haven't [00:30:19] released any of that. We know that [00:30:22] evidence in the Epstein uh computer will [00:30:25] show who else was involved. Then you've [00:30:28] got the Justice Department having these [00:30:30] prosecution memos. Why does that matter? [00:30:32] Cuz there was a brave assistant US [00:30:34] attorney who said there's 60 counts [00:30:36] against Jeffrey Epstein back in Florida [00:30:38] in the early 2000s, 2007. And they told [00:30:42] her, "Drop the case. Only charge him [00:30:44] with two counts." When does that happen? [00:30:46] 58 counts vanish. A guy who's raping [00:30:48] underage girls only gets charged with [00:30:50] two counts, is let out while under [00:30:53] arrest to go continue to rape and abuse [00:30:55] underage girls. Show us what those other [00:30:58] 58 counts were. Show us why you decided [00:31:02] not to prosecute. And then in 2019, [00:31:06] there were co-conspirators who were [00:31:08] named. Okay. Epstein wasn't alone. [00:31:11] Suddenly though, those co-conspirators [00:31:13] are are released. We don't have to [00:31:16] prosecute the co-conspirators. Well, [00:31:18] there's a prosecution memo explaining [00:31:19] why the co-conspirators should have been [00:31:21] prosecuted. Release that so we know why [00:31:24] you chose to not prosecute people. Who [00:31:27] are you protecting? Look, if you're not [00:31:29] moved by the fact picturing like a [00:31:32] seventh grader being raped on an island [00:31:34] or think of like an eighth grader at a [00:31:36] party with multi-millionaires and [00:31:39] politicians being paraded around naked [00:31:42] and people with, you know, drinks in [00:31:44] their hand laughing. If you're not [00:31:46] disgusted by that, be disgusted by the [00:31:48] fact that rich and powerful people are [00:31:51] so influential in this country that they [00:31:53] had a president campaign on releasing [00:31:55] the files. They've had a House of [00:31:57] Representatives pass a law, the Senate [00:31:59] pass a law, and they still can't get the [00:32:01] damn files out. Like, doesn't that just [00:32:04] make you disgusting? [00:32:05] >> I want to know what the repercussions [00:32:07] are. I mean, because the deadline was [00:32:08] December 19th, if I remember correctly. [00:32:11] Right. [00:32:11] >> Yeah. [00:32:13] >> It's January 9th. [00:32:15] >> Yeah. [00:32:16] >> What What are the repercussions? Are [00:32:18] there any repercussions? I haven't seen [00:32:19] any politicians have any [ __ ] [00:32:21] repercussions ever. [00:32:23] >> Well, there there there are [00:32:24] repercussions. First of all, they [00:32:25] thought, "Okay, they're going to do the [00:32:27] release and people are going to forget [00:32:30] about it. They'll release a bunch of BS [00:32:32] and then no one's going to care." And [00:32:33] one of the reasons that I appreciate [00:32:36] your voice is that you're not you're [00:32:37] calling them on that. You're not letting [00:32:39] them get away with it. And they were [00:32:41] shocked. Christmas Eve, they come out [00:32:43] and say, "Okay, no, no, no. We're we [00:32:45] have got more documents." Because they [00:32:47] realized that the the their own base, [00:32:48] the MAGA base, wasn't letting them uh [00:32:51] get away with this. So they come out uh [00:32:55] now in January and they say to the [00:32:57] judge, "We've got 3 million more [00:32:59] documents, 5 million more documents. [00:33:01] We're going to release them in these [00:33:03] next next few weeks." And Massie and I [00:33:06] went to the judge and said, "You need to [00:33:08] supervise this and see how these [00:33:10] documents come out." Now, if they don't [00:33:12] do it, there's three repercussions. [00:33:14] Massie and I will be introducing [00:33:17] inherent contempt next week, which is [00:33:20] only requires the House to pass it. And [00:33:22] Pam Bondi can be personally fined up to [00:33:25] $10,000 every day that the documents [00:33:29] don't come out. [00:33:30] >> That's it. [00:33:30] >> No, that's that's the first. The second [00:33:33] thing is she's breaking the law and she [00:33:35] and other people at the Justice [00:33:36] Department could be uh put in jail. I [00:33:38] mean, they they can be prosecuted. Now, [00:33:40] I don't think Donald Trump's going to do [00:33:42] it, but we're going to have a new [00:33:44] president and that new president can do [00:33:46] it. [00:33:46] >> They'll all be pardoned. So, that will [00:33:48] never happen. [00:33:49] >> You think he'll he'll pardon all of [00:33:50] them? Even uh [00:33:52] >> Yeah, of course. Why wouldn't he? [00:33:55] >> Well, the they're career Justice [00:33:57] Department officials who if they're [00:33:58] along with this, I mean, he'd have to [00:33:59] pardon a lot of people. They're hundreds [00:34:01] of attorneys reviewing this stuff. It'd [00:34:03] be a pretty big conspiracy if everyone [00:34:05] is breaking breaking the law. But yeah, [00:34:08] I mean, look, it may be a case that it [00:34:10] takes a new president to get all of this [00:34:12] out and some people get away with it. [00:34:16] But, you know, I'm concerned about the [00:34:17] destruction of evidence, too. I mean, [00:34:19] making sure that the evidence is not [00:34:21] destroyed. The [00:34:23] >> How would you do that? [00:34:24] >> How would you destroy [00:34:25] >> How would you ever be certain that the [00:34:27] evidence wasn't destroyed [00:34:28] >> or it hasn't been already? Well, look, I [00:34:30] you can't be certain, but the vict the [00:34:32] survivors lawyers have seen the files, [00:34:34] some of the survivors lawyers. So, they [00:34:36] would know if there's things missing. [00:34:38] Their career justice department [00:34:39] officials have seen the files and it it [00:34:42] now if you're part of the group that are [00:34:44] destroying these files, you're taking a [00:34:46] big risk cuz you're you're violating the [00:34:48] law. You could be prosecuted. I mean, [00:34:50] it's not just people in Trump's circle. [00:34:52] You're you're a career prosecutor. You [00:34:54] you're really uh risking your career if [00:34:57] the if there's prosecution. So, I I I I [00:35:00] do think we're going to get to the truth [00:35:03] of the matter, whether we're going to [00:35:04] get accountability for Bondi uh and [00:35:07] Patel. I mean, we're we're we're trying [00:35:08] everything we can, but ultimately if [00:35:11] Trump pardons them, yeah, they they get [00:35:13] they get away with it. [00:35:14] >> I mean, let's just reverse engineer [00:35:16] this. So, you say the only thing that [00:35:18] needs to be maybe he didn't say the only [00:35:19] thing the way to the main thing that [00:35:22] needs to be redacted is 1,200 names, [00:35:24] >> correct? [00:35:24] >> The victim's names. [00:35:26] >> Yeah. [00:35:26] >> You're a Silicon Valley guy. You mean to [00:35:29] tell me we can't create a [ __ ] AI [00:35:31] program that just redacts the names in [00:35:33] about I don't know 3 minutes [00:35:36] >> all three million files in there just [00:35:38] blacks them out we can't [00:35:39] >> all the people over there in Silicon [00:35:41] Valley Palunteer all these things they [00:35:43] can't they can't figure out how to make [00:35:45] a program that just redacts that real [00:35:47] quick [00:35:48] >> they could I'm sure [00:35:49] >> they could I know I'm being a little [00:35:52] facicious here but [00:35:53] >> but they could I yeah no look I mean [00:35:55] obviously they they want to drag their [00:35:56] feet they they'll claim okay That's not [00:35:58] enough. There needs to be human checkgun [00:36:00] AI. Fine. I Massie and I are less [00:36:02] concerned about the time. If they had [00:36:05] come back to us and said, "Look, you're [00:36:07] you're you're pushing too fast on [00:36:08] December 19th. We're going to do it by [00:36:10] March 15th." Fine. The problem we have [00:36:12] is they're not releasing the actual [00:36:14] documents. They're they're releasing [00:36:16] fluff. I mean, here and there they gave [00:36:18] us something, but they're not releasing [00:36:20] the witness memorandum. They're not [00:36:22] releasing the Epstein files. They're [00:36:24] protecting people. And and you know, [00:36:26] Trump is out there himself saying, [00:36:27] "Yeah, I got to a lot of people get [00:36:29] hurt. I don't want my my buddies to get [00:36:31] hurt." Like, I that's what I don't get. [00:36:33] I I I really don't get why he doesn't [00:36:36] just come out and get these files out. [00:36:39] And what what is the force? Like what [00:36:41] what is holding it back? It's a cuz he's [00:36:45] he's a blackmail operation. What do you [00:36:48] think's holding him back? [00:36:50] Say it. [00:36:51] >> Well, I you know, I'm What do you think? [00:36:54] I mean, I don't know. I don't know. [00:36:55] >> What do I think? [00:36:56] >> Yeah, [00:36:56] >> I think it's Israel. I think Israel MSAD [00:37:00] is holding this [ __ ] back. That's what I [00:37:02] think. Have you seen anything that that [00:37:05] any context here that might make you [00:37:07] believe that in the recent last 6 [00:37:09] months, last year? [00:37:11] >> Like I've said, I I I've I I have reason [00:37:14] to believe that foreign governments were [00:37:16] involved and that the names that have [00:37:18] come up have been Russia and and and [00:37:20] Israel. What what the level of [00:37:22] involvement, I have no idea. Uh, and but [00:37:26] there's some force more powerful than [00:37:29] just campaign donors involved in [00:37:31] covering this up cuz otherwise it [00:37:34] doesn't make sense. It doesn't make [00:37:35] sense why they're fighting so hard to [00:37:39] keep these files. Like you can say a lot [00:37:41] of things about Donald Trump. He [00:37:42] understands politics. He don't get [00:37:44] elected president twice. He knows this [00:37:46] thing is hurting him. It's the one issue [00:37:48] that is hurting him amongst his base. So [00:37:50] why wouldn't he just get the files out? [00:37:53] And that's what Marjorie Taylor Green [00:37:54] was saying. Like this thing was never [00:37:56] about trying to go after Trump. And [00:37:59] there's actually no evidence that I've [00:38:01] seen that he was involved in the abuse [00:38:05] of underage girls. We haven't seen any [00:38:06] evidence of that. There other rich and [00:38:08] powerful men. So why if you're the [00:38:10] president, wouldn't you just say, "Okay, [00:38:11] like get it out there." I don't get it. [00:38:13] There's some force [00:38:15] bigger than that that is holding back [00:38:19] us getting to the truth. And that's what [00:38:21] should be disturbing to Americans other [00:38:24] than that like our culture is needs a [00:38:27] moral reckoning that this that we allow [00:38:29] this to happen. What are the forces that [00:38:31] are preventing us from doing this? And [00:38:34] are and are we going to get people [00:38:36] actually willing to stand up for to it? [00:38:40] It seems like you got a lot of people [00:38:42] standing up to it. I mean, I don't know [00:38:44] what else everybody can do, but [00:38:46] everybody's screaming at I don't I don't [00:38:48] know anybody that's not screaming at the [00:38:50] top of their lungs. Release these damn [00:38:53] files. [00:38:54] >> Except [00:38:56] [laughter] [00:38:58] invite the vice president back. Ask him. [00:39:00] Well, he could get involved. [00:39:01] >> Oh, they're not going to come back here. [00:39:03] Ro, [00:39:04] >> really? [00:39:04] >> No, [00:39:05] >> he he's got Trump may not. He needs to [00:39:08] He's going to He wants to run. He's got [00:39:10] to come back in 20. [00:39:11] >> I hope he does. I would love for him to [00:39:12] come back, but I don't know. I've been [00:39:15] pretty hard on him lately. [00:39:16] >> Well, I I I I just think, look, he was a [00:39:20] We disagree. We go back and forth. Uh [00:39:22] but I think he could be a constructive [00:39:24] force here. He should He should be the [00:39:26] guy saying, "Look, let's get get these [00:39:29] files out." Like, does he want to have [00:39:30] this as a liability? Why? I mean, he [00:39:33] said it three years ago. He was [00:39:35] >> I just retweeted it today. Yeah. No, I [00:39:38] mean he he should be he should be out [00:39:40] there saying get all the stuff out [00:39:42] there. Like this is a new generation of [00:39:45] politicians, Democrats like Roana, May [00:39:48] Massie, Marjorie Taylor Green, you know, [00:39:50] it's a previous generation that did all [00:39:52] this horrible stuff. Expose it. The FC [00:39:56] class, you know, when Democrats have [00:39:58] fallen, I haven't had any sympathy. [00:40:00] First guy taken out was a British [00:40:01] ambassador. He constructed Tony Blair's [00:40:03] victory. The reality is Larry Summers [00:40:06] was Treasury Secretary for Bill Clinton [00:40:09] and he was his is caught up in all of [00:40:11] this and I said that, you know, I [00:40:13] support if the Clintons coming and [00:40:15] testifying, fine. If it's Democrats, [00:40:17] Republicans, I don't care. Massie [00:40:20] doesn't care. What was the deal with the [00:40:21] Clintons? They were supposed to show up. [00:40:23] >> They should show up. They're I support [00:40:26] that. He's the Republican. He said, [00:40:28] "Look, let's have them in front of the [00:40:30] committee." And I they're scheduling it, [00:40:32] but but I've said yeah, they should they [00:40:34] should answer what they know. [00:40:35] >> So they did not refuse to show up. [00:40:37] >> They have not refused. [00:40:38] >> Okay. So that was [00:40:39] >> Yeah. I mean [ __ ] It [00:40:41] >> it's now the scheduling like they need [00:40:44] to do it soon and we need to have they [00:40:46] should show up. They should do the [00:40:48] deposition and and you know but there [00:40:50] there shouldn't be a selective release [00:40:53] like don't have the Justice Department [00:40:54] just put Bill Clinton's pictures in [00:40:56] there because you know you want to make [00:40:57] political headlines. Release everything. [00:40:59] I mean, so play it straight. Massie and [00:41:02] I have played it straight. If it's 90% [00:41:04] Democrats in their files, I don't care. [00:41:07] If it's 90% Republicans, I don't care. [00:41:11] Van should have the same thing. He's not [00:41:12] in the files. He's in his 40s. You know, [00:41:15] it's a bunch of people who are now in [00:41:17] their 70s and 80s who were caught up in [00:41:19] all of this stuff. It it it there needs [00:41:22] to be a cleaning. That's why I've said [00:41:24] this Epstein class needs to go. And I [00:41:27] think we need, you know, we we we the [00:41:29] the only thing that's going to get this [00:41:30] out is the MAGA base cuz that's that's [00:41:33] what got the bill passed. You know, [00:41:35] Trump had I don't think he even realized [00:41:37] he signed my bill. I mean, we we kept [00:41:39] saying it was a messy bill because it [00:41:40] was a Republican bill. I don't think [00:41:41] he's like, "All right, sign Roana's [00:41:43] bill." He didn't he didn't have a [00:41:44] signing ceremony. We had Massie and I [00:41:46] called. He didn't want to do a signing [00:41:47] ceremony for the bill. But the point is, [00:41:49] we had 70 Republicans willing to vote [00:41:51] for my bill in defiance of his [00:41:53] opposition. Then he realized, okay, I [00:41:55] don't want that. So he said, "I'll sign [00:41:56] the bill." The only thing that'll get [00:41:59] him to release these files is a Maria [00:42:01] says, "Look, we're with you on a lot of [00:42:04] things. We voted for you three times. We [00:42:06] disagree with Kana on Medicare for all. [00:42:08] We disagree with him on Venezuela. We [00:42:11] disagree with him on uh on on calling [00:42:15] ICE. We're with you, Mr. President. But [00:42:17] you know what? This MAGA, this Epstein [00:42:19] stuff, he's right about that. Release [00:42:21] these files. That's what we need. his [00:42:23] base needs to demand this off of. They [00:42:26] are though. They are. Am I missing [00:42:28] something? They are. I don't think [00:42:30] they've been vocal. Not to the point [00:42:32] where where he thinks that he could lose [00:42:34] them. I mean, they he thinks, okay, [00:42:36] they're upset on this one thing. They [00:42:38] need to say like this is a red line for [00:42:41] us because [00:42:43] you told us there were pedophiles in [00:42:45] part of the government. You told us [00:42:47] they're rich and powerful people who are [00:42:49] corrupt. You said you were going to [00:42:50] drain the swamp. You never pre pretended [00:42:53] to be a perfect person. We knew, you [00:42:55] know, okay, like many people, you had [00:42:57] warts in your life, but you were going [00:42:58] to clean up the system. You were going [00:42:59] to expose the system. You haven't done [00:43:02] that. Do that. That that that that [00:43:06] whether it's Vance or Trump, they've got [00:43:08] to get these files out. And they they [00:43:10] think it's, you know, it's not the [00:43:12] central issue. The cost of living is an [00:43:14] issue, affordability is an issue. I get [00:43:16] all of that, but there's something [00:43:18] deeper. There's something called [00:43:20] morality. There's something called uh [00:43:22] country's values. That's what this is [00:43:24] getting at. [00:43:25] >> They know this is they know this is a [00:43:27] big deal. They're Oh man, it makes me so [00:43:30] [ __ ] angry. [00:43:33] How many How many How many abusers do [00:43:35] you think were involved? Do you know? I [00:43:38] think there are two types of three types [00:43:40] of abusers. [00:43:43] the ones who actually [00:43:46] raped underage girls. [00:43:51] I would say maybe at least [00:43:55] a dozen or a handful. I mean, I'm not [00:43:57] saying that that's the the the biggest [00:44:00] number, but I there are people from from [00:44:03] just conversations with survivors. We'll [00:44:05] know once the files are out. The second [00:44:08] people who showed up at these parties [00:44:10] and saw young girls parading around and [00:44:13] knew they were being abused and didn't [00:44:16] say anything. That number is in the [00:44:18] hundreds and covered it up. And then the [00:44:20] third is people who were trafficking [00:44:25] girls who were slightly overage 1920 [00:44:29] and being exploited who may have been [00:44:31] raped as when they were underage and [00:44:33] saying, "Okay, yeah, do you have a girl [00:44:35] for me? where do I meet her? And [00:44:37] technically, it was uh over the age of [00:44:39] consent, but anyone who looks at that [00:44:41] will know they were abusing these girls [00:44:42] in terms of the emotional, physical [00:44:45] damage to to to to these girls. And all [00:44:48] of that is in the files. [00:44:50] >> Jeez. How long was this going on? [00:44:53] >> Decades. [00:44:54] >> Decades. [00:44:54] >> Decades. [00:44:55] >> 20, 30 years. [00:44:56] >> 20, 30 years. That's why when people [00:44:58] they do the gotcha question sometimes. [00:45:00] Oh, Ro, you you guys didn't speak out [00:45:02] about this enough in the Biden [00:45:04] administration. And first of all, I did [00:45:06] speak out in 2019. But second, I say, [00:45:09] "Yeah, we should have. We were wrong. [00:45:11] This country has been asleep." Like, [00:45:13] that's not a that's not a uh a a a [00:45:17] reason not to care now. Now I've gotten [00:45:19] to know these survivors. Like, yeah, all [00:45:21] of us were guilty for 25 years uh other [00:45:25] than a few journalists for not caring, [00:45:27] for abandoning these girls. Fine. guilty [00:45:30] is charged. Now, let's move on. Let's [00:45:32] actually do something about it and get [00:45:35] these files out. And that that that [00:45:38] that's the honest truth. Like, this is [00:45:39] not a Trump thing or a Vance thing. This [00:45:42] is an America thing. It's a crisis that [00:45:45] the we didn't care about these girls. We [00:45:46] treat them treated them as abandoned [00:45:50] property for the gratification of of of [00:45:53] rich and powerful people. And they [00:45:56] didn't matter. How how was I mean we [00:45:59] know how we know a lot of ways he was [00:46:01] tied to Israel. He was an Israeli. [00:46:04] Maxwell's dad was involved with MSAD. I [00:46:08] mean he wears an IDF shirt and a bunch [00:46:10] of the photos that were released. So we [00:46:11] know that he's tied to Israel. How was [00:46:13] he tied to Russia? [00:46:16] There are survivors accounts again [00:46:20] without specific names. are talking [00:46:21] about Russian oligarchs who were [00:46:24] involved in coming to the island uh who [00:46:28] were uh involved in the trafficking. [00:46:31] There are accounts about him having [00:46:34] access to Putin uh and being able to [00:46:36] facilitate meetings with Putin in some [00:46:39] of the documents. So, he obviously had [00:46:42] ties to both the oligarchs in Russia uh [00:46:46] and to people close to Putin. And th [00:46:48] those are that that needs to be [00:46:50] explored. I mean it under like what why [00:46:53] wouldn't you want to know if there these [00:46:54] other countries that have access to the [00:46:57] most powerful people in our country and [00:47:00] are getting information about that [00:47:02] >> because it exposes them. That's the only [00:47:05] thing I can think of. Am I missing [00:47:07] anything with the ties to Israel? [00:47:10] >> Look, I I I think you're right that [00:47:12] there there's there are obviously ties. [00:47:15] I've tried to be, you know, Massie and I [00:47:17] have tried to be careful in that, you [00:47:18] know, we want we don't want to stoke [00:47:21] something uh unnecessarily, but uh there [00:47:24] it needs to be it needs to be examined [00:47:27] and we need to get get the facts out and [00:47:30] that that that the fact that the fact [00:47:33] that foreign governments are involved uh [00:47:35] every lawyer of the survivors uh who [00:47:38] I've talked to and many survivors have [00:47:40] said that that is the case. So, let's [00:47:43] figure out the facts, man. Man, what am [00:47:45] I missing? What should I be asking you [00:47:47] that I'm not asking about the Epstein [00:47:49] files right now? [00:47:52] >> How do we actually get them out? Uh, and [00:47:56] I I'd say this. Look, there going to be [00:47:58] a number of dates in January where [00:48:00] they're going to do a document release. [00:48:03] And so far, people have been paying [00:48:05] attention. Every time they've done a [00:48:06] document release, the server has crashed [00:48:09] because so many people are looking at [00:48:10] the documents. And every time they do [00:48:12] that, they think, "Okay, we're done." [00:48:13] people are satisfied, they can move on. [00:48:16] Don't let them move on. Every time they [00:48:18] do a document release, if it's not [00:48:20] actually the things there, speak out. [00:48:22] Speak out on social media. Tag Bondi, [00:48:25] tag Blanchard, tag Vance, tag Massie, [00:48:29] Marjorie, Taylor Green, me, Bober. Say [00:48:31] we want this information out. That's the [00:48:34] only thing that that you you say like, [00:48:35] is Ma is Massie in my contempt going to [00:48:37] work? We'll try. Is it is future [00:48:40] prosecution going to work? We'll try. [00:48:41] It's when the American people speak out. [00:48:44] That's why I flew down here. That's why [00:48:45] I came here because I know you've got a [00:48:47] lot of people following this. You've [00:48:49] been on this before even I or Massie [00:48:51] were on this. You've been speaking about [00:48:53] this for years. Your audience cares [00:48:56] about this. We need them to continue to [00:48:58] fight for it. [00:48:59] >> They're going to be pissed. Ro, let's [00:49:01] take a quick break. When we come back, [00:49:03] we'll get into uh some roadblock stuff. [00:49:05] >> Sounds good. [00:49:06] >> Perfect. [00:49:09] New year, big goals, and not a lot of [00:49:12] time to cook. And that's why I've been [00:49:14] using Factor. Factor are meals that are [00:49:17] sent right to your front door, designed [00:49:19] by chefs and dieticians so that you can [00:49:22] eat well without going to the store or [00:49:25] cooking. What I like most is what goes [00:49:28] into the food. 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These [00:52:11] products are not intended to diagnose, [00:52:13] treat, cure, or prevent any disease or [00:52:16] condition. [00:52:19] All right, Ro, we're back from the [00:52:21] break. I think we've pretty much wrapped [00:52:22] up the Epstein stuff, but I I do want to [00:52:24] ask you, I mean, you've talked to a lot [00:52:27] of these victims. You've talked to their [00:52:29] attorneys. You are their champion. What [00:52:33] What do these victims want to see [00:52:35] happen? What do these poor girls that [00:52:37] have been [ __ ] raped over and over [00:52:41] and over and over again? What do they [00:52:44] want? [00:52:47] They want to be seen and heard. That's [00:52:50] why some of them cared about the law [00:52:51] passing. Some people said, "First time I [00:52:54] actually felt heard and seen by the [00:52:56] American people." [00:52:58] Many of them want to meet the president [00:53:00] to explain to him what happened so they [00:53:03] have some sense that they're not being [00:53:06] just labeled as a hoax. They they've [00:53:08] asked that can they go meet with him? Uh [00:53:11] they want the people who abused them or [00:53:16] stayed quiet to be publicly exposed and [00:53:20] to be held accountable. They don't want [00:53:22] buildings named after them. They don't [00:53:24] want them to see them on television [00:53:26] being celebrated. They don't want to be [00:53:28] see them at powerful positions and [00:53:30] corporations. And they want the [00:53:32] prosecution. I mean, the prosecution is [00:53:33] the hardest part. They're not naive. [00:53:35] They think that may be the hardest part, [00:53:37] but they want some sense of [00:53:39] acknowledgment by this country that what [00:53:42] happened to them was wrong and [00:53:45] disgusting. [00:53:49] >> Do you think they'll ever see that? [00:53:53] I do think that the House and Senate [00:53:56] passing that was a a big moment for [00:53:58] survivors. If you watch the footage of [00:54:01] them in tears and feeling heard and by [00:54:03] the way for sexual assault survivors [00:54:06] around the country saying finally the [00:54:07] government waking up and actually saying [00:54:10] that there's a problem in this country. [00:54:12] But I think it will be a betrayal of all [00:54:15] of that if these files remain stuck. And [00:54:18] until these files are released and [00:54:20] they're released fully and we have some [00:54:22] sense of accountability as a country, uh [00:54:25] they're going to feel abandoned. There [00:54:27] needs to be a reckoning, a sense of that [00:54:31] that that of of of justice and uh before [00:54:35] we can have people moving on and [00:54:37] healing. [00:54:38] >> Mhm. Do you are you are you at all [00:54:42] worried about the repercussions if it is [00:54:45] fully disclosed? I mean a lot of people [00:54:48] think that the that the entire country's [00:54:51] power structure will be decimated. A lot [00:54:54] of people think that the entire world [00:54:55] power structure will be decimated [00:54:57] because so many people are involved in [00:54:59] this. Do you have any fear about that? [00:55:01] That the that the power structure will [00:55:03] be in rubble because they were so many [00:55:06] were involved with this. [00:55:08] >> I think if it had hap if this had been [00:55:10] released 15 years ago, yes. But I think [00:55:12] some of these people are no longer [00:55:15] actively in power. They're towards the [00:55:18] end of their careers. Uh they just want [00:55:21] this to to go away. Uh so now I think it [00:55:25] can be uh exposed uh without that kind [00:55:29] of disruption. But will it uh cause [00:55:33] an enormous moral reckoning in this [00:55:35] country? I think we're going to be [00:55:37] embarrassed and shocked and angry and [00:55:41] disgusted with ourselves as a people [00:55:42] that we allowed it to happen. I think [00:55:44] it's going to cause us to re-examine [00:55:48] uh potentially relationships around the [00:55:51] world and what we what we allowed to [00:55:53] take place. I think it's going to force [00:55:55] us to reexamine the power that rich and [00:55:58] powerful people have in this country [00:56:00] over the justice system and uh a sense [00:56:03] that there are elites who've gotten away [00:56:05] with things you and I can't. Right? Most [00:56:07] people they get a parking ticket, they [00:56:09] get a camera light ticket and their car [00:56:11] will get booted if they don't pay the [00:56:13] tickets. Right? That's the life for 95% [00:56:15] of Americans. And then you got these 5% [00:56:18] who are doing the most heinous things [00:56:19] and laughing about it. [00:56:23] >> Man, let's move on to roadblocks. [00:56:26] >> Another topic of uh not inspiration, [00:56:28] huh? [00:56:29] >> You're doing the right thing. Sounds [00:56:30] like you're the only one doing the right [00:56:32] thing over there. [00:56:33] >> Are you Is it true that you're the first [00:56:36] and only congressman to go up against [00:56:38] Roblox? [00:56:39] >> I was because of this kid Schlle who you [00:56:42] know. He showed so much courage. He was [00:56:44] basically a whistleblower, right? I [00:56:47] mean, there are people on uh Roblox who [00:56:50] were [00:56:52] acting as predators, pedophiles, taking [00:56:55] advantage of kids or playing games. And [00:56:58] there was not [00:57:00] >> still happening. [00:57:01] >> Still happening. [00:57:01] >> Not was still happening. [00:57:03] >> But but still happening when he started. [00:57:05] Well, he's been kicked off the the the [00:57:07] platform, which is why he's used the [00:57:08] past tense. It's still happening. But he [00:57:10] was kicked off because he was going out [00:57:12] and he was exposing these folks because [00:57:15] Roblox wasn't doing it. And no one was [00:57:19] listening to him and he was basically [00:57:21] kicked off the platform for doing this. [00:57:23] And so as a guy from Silicon Valley, I [00:57:26] said, "This is crazy, you know, cuz the [00:57:28] company's in my area." And I said, "I'm [00:57:30] gonna come to this 21-year-old kid's [00:57:32] defense." And people said, "What are you [00:57:34] doing? You're gonna take on I mean the [00:57:36] these billionaire founders?" I said, [00:57:37] "Yeah, I don't care. I took the Epstein [00:57:39] class. is who cares about this? [00:57:41] >> Good [clears throat] for you. [00:57:42] >> You know, and so I we we we did a [00:57:44] petition to support what Schleup was [00:57:47] doing and saying he should be reinstated [00:57:49] onto the in in Roblox. I mean, they've [00:57:52] kicked him out. I mean, let let's let [00:57:54] him back on onto the platform. And let's [00:57:56] have transparency of what are you doing [00:57:58] to make sure that you don't have [00:58:00] pedophiles and predators on your [00:58:03] platform preying on 12, 13, 14y old [00:58:06] kids. [00:58:06] >> Is he back on there? He's not not not [00:58:08] not yet. [00:58:12] But he, you know, all he was doing is [00:58:14] saying, "Okay, I'm going to expose this [00:58:16] guy who's a creepy old guy, uh, having [00:58:19] conversations with a young girl, young [00:58:20] boy, and cuz Roblox is not doing it." [00:58:23] And so the response to that is to kick [00:58:25] him off. I mean, come on. And all he's [00:58:27] fighting for is safety standards. I [00:58:30] mean, you would your kids are on these [00:58:33] platforms. They're playing games. Yeah. [00:58:34] He just doesn't want a 12-year-old girl [00:58:37] to be exploited sexually and have to [00:58:41] carve [ __ ] into her forehead with razor [00:58:44] blades. [00:58:45] >> Seriously, [00:58:46] >> that's the kind of [ __ ] they're doing on [00:58:48] there. Did you know that? [00:58:49] >> I didn't know that example. I didn't [00:58:51] know that one, but I know they're doing [00:58:52] >> There's a bunch of these. They've had [00:58:53] women, not excuse, girls, young girls [00:58:57] swallow razor blades. [00:58:58] >> Oh my god. [00:58:59] >> They had one commit suicide on camera. [00:59:03] That's disgusting. [00:59:04] >> It's disgusting, isn't it? We did we [00:59:07] uncovered a lot of this uh about a month [00:59:09] ago, two months ago with Ryan [00:59:10] Montgomery. The day we released the [00:59:13] episode, it took one week $6 billion off [00:59:17] their stock [00:59:18] >> in one week [00:59:19] >> because of this because of this episode, [00:59:21] >> you know. I mean, that's that that's why [00:59:23] you should have Schlle on. I don't know [00:59:24] if you've had him on, but he [00:59:26] >> we're talking to him. [00:59:27] >> Yeah. But he, you know, he's uh he's [00:59:30] showed courage. And the the reality is, [00:59:33] look, if you're a 44, 45, 50 year old [00:59:36] guy and you're talking to a 13-year-old [00:59:39] girl online, I'm that's unacceptable. [00:59:42] Like, that's my like, you know, if [00:59:44] you're a coach or something, fine. But [00:59:46] there's no reason for a 50-year-old guy [00:59:48] to be talking to a 13-year-old girl in a [00:59:50] gaming site. [00:59:51] >> So, how hard is this to detect? Like, [00:59:54] they're like, "Well, we don't know if [00:59:55] it's pedophilia." You don't have to have [00:59:57] like people swallowing razors. Just you [01:00:00] can't be talking to young girls being a [01:00:02] 45-year-old guy on a gaming site. You [01:00:04] can't be talking to young boys like what [01:00:05] the hell are you doing on there? And [01:00:07] that's going on and it's rampant and [01:00:10] they hide behind, well, how do we know? [01:00:12] Well, you know, based on common sense, [01:00:14] if you wouldn't allow your own daughter [01:00:17] to hang out with someone in a a room [01:00:19] unsupervised [01:00:21] uh playing a game, then you shouldn't be [01:00:24] allowing it online. Yeah, I want to [01:00:26] clarify too that's not happening on [01:00:28] Roblox. It's that 764 satanic cult [01:00:31] that's that's that's that's that's [01:00:34] pursuing the kids on Roblox, pulling [01:00:36] them off and they're doing it in these [01:00:38] chat rooms and stuff. [01:00:40] >> But Ryan has showed me [01:00:44] tons of stuff that's going on on there. [01:00:46] It's [01:00:47] >> just horrific. It's all censored. But [01:00:51] well, and look, this is the [01:00:53] responsibility of technology companies, [01:00:55] right? It's there's a lot of positives [01:00:57] to allowing people to get information, [01:01:00] being on social media, but you can't [01:01:02] have exploitation. You can't have [01:01:04] pedophilia, you can't have pornography, [01:01:07] you can't be having algorithms feed junk [01:01:10] uh on social media to young girls where [01:01:12] they're thinking of eating disorders or [01:01:15] suicide. And we've allowed a lot of the [01:01:18] social media to get out of hand. and not [01:01:20] protect our kids. And I'm the guy who [01:01:23] represents Silicon Valley. I'm for [01:01:24] innovation. I'm for technology. But I'm [01:01:26] But you do that with common sense that [01:01:30] you protect kids [01:01:32] >> on these platforms. [01:01:33] >> Mhm. [01:01:35] Speaking of Silicon Valley, how about [01:01:38] that uh billionaire tax? How's that [01:01:40] going? [01:01:41] >> I got I've gotten quite a lot of hot [01:01:42] water with that one. You know what I [01:01:44] found out though? You know who was the [01:01:46] first person to propose one of these [01:01:48] taxes? One of the few first people, [01:01:50] Donald Trump, when he was running for [01:01:52] president in 2000, he called for a 14.5% [01:01:56] tax on anyone making over $10 million. [01:02:00] And he said, "If you're wealthy, uh, you [01:02:02] can pay a tax." And, uh, you know, he [01:02:05] since I don't know what he thinks now, [01:02:06] but my point is this. Look, I'm all for [01:02:09] entrepreneurs and I'm all for people [01:02:12] making billions of dollars. Fine. you [01:02:14] you're brilliant like uh Steve Jobs or [01:02:17] you and build Apple great you build [01:02:19] Tesla SpaceX great I once said to Elon [01:02:23] stick the cars and Mars or something you [01:02:25] build all that wealth fine but we've got [01:02:26] to have a social contract in this [01:02:29] country where the wealth can't just be [01:02:31] in the hands of the few you've got to [01:02:32] have some sense that every person [01:02:35] workingass families are going to benefit [01:02:38] from that and you get people having [01:02:39] healthcare child care education that's [01:02:42] that's my view Well, I mean, [01:02:45] I'm not going to disagree with you and [01:02:47] say that there is a I mean, there's [01:02:49] definitely a there is a there is a gap [01:02:52] here and it's a [ __ ] problem. But, I [01:02:56] mean [01:02:59] I mean, if you just look at history, [01:03:00] every time this happens, the [01:03:01] billionaires I mean, the the business [01:03:03] owners, they just leave. They go [01:03:05] somewhere else and then there are no [01:03:07] jobs. And so, and it sounds like that's [01:03:11] what they're going to do if this tax [01:03:12] goes through. So, [01:03:16] >> well, I think we have it has to be [01:03:18] designed in a way that you can't tax [01:03:21] illquid stocks. You can't tax companies [01:03:24] that are still not profitable. You've [01:03:26] got to get conversations with people who [01:03:28] want to design it in a reasonable way uh [01:03:31] and have a consensus on how to do it. [01:03:33] So, I'm not saying that the the the that [01:03:36] you can't fix some of the design, but [01:03:39] ultimately the idea that having just a [01:03:43] 1% tax a year, I mean, in a theory on uh [01:03:47] building wealth when you're you make [01:03:49] about 10% every year anyway in the stock [01:03:51] market and that you're going to use that [01:03:53] to make sure people have healthcare and [01:03:56] child care and education. I just think [01:03:58] that's what's going to prevent a [01:04:00] revolution. You know, think about the [01:04:03] guys who went in Venezuela, right? And [01:04:04] and like they they they stick the [01:04:07] landing despite being shot at. They wear [01:04:09] the uniform. [01:04:11] They give every single thing for this [01:04:13] country. And you're saying to me, okay, [01:04:15] if you're going to, let's say, in a [01:04:17] countrywide have a 1% tax on wealth that [01:04:19] people are going to leave, like come on, [01:04:20] have some more patriotism. Have some [01:04:23] loyalty to the country. [01:04:24] >> I mean, just a a caveat to that. I mean, [01:04:26] what are you going to spend the money [01:04:27] on? Where's the money going to go? I [01:04:29] mean, look at our [ __ ] cities, bro. [01:04:31] Look at Chicago, St. Louis, San [01:04:34] Francisco, LA, New York. [01:04:37] >> Tons of Minnesota right now. I mean, [01:04:41] look at all this [ __ ] Our our cities [01:04:43] are [ __ ] trashed. We have a fentanyl [01:04:46] problem. [01:04:46] >> Yeah. [01:04:47] >> I mean, and where's all the money going? [01:04:49] It sure as [ __ ] isn't going into this [01:04:51] country. You know where it's going? It's [01:04:53] going to Ukraine. It's going to Israel. [01:04:56] It's going to fight war in Venezuela. [01:04:59] It's going It's going everywhere but [01:05:02] here. And we all see it. Everybody [01:05:04] [ __ ] sees it. Everybody sees another [01:05:07] billion, another another another [01:05:11] more billions allotted to Ukraine, more [01:05:13] billions allotted to Israel, more [01:05:15] billions allotted to whatever. You know, [01:05:18] it's just it's it everything seems to go [01:05:20] out of the country. So why would any [01:05:23] business owner want to pay more tax just [01:05:25] to have it shipped out of the [ __ ] [01:05:27] country? [01:05:28] >> Well, there I agree with you about the [01:05:29] waste and the [01:05:31] >> look at the [ __ ] that just happened with [01:05:32] the with the the the learning centers [01:05:36] and nine supposedly $9 billion. [01:05:40] >> I'm not going to defend the waste and [01:05:42] the fraud. two things sucked out of the [01:05:43] country and then I mean on top of that I [01:05:46] mean Scott Bessant just said yesterday [01:05:48] that there's approximately $600 billion [01:05:51] in fraud in the US. I mean don't you [01:05:55] think we might want to get a handle on [01:05:56] that before we tax everybody more or tax [01:05:59] the wealth the wealthy more. [01:06:01] >> I I think we absolutely need to get a [01:06:02] handle both on the overseas wars. I mean [01:06:05] we spent $6 trillion on Iraq and [01:06:07] Afghanistan. I'm against these kind of [01:06:09] regime change wars. I'm against going [01:06:11] and trying to do regime change in [01:06:13] Venezuela. And now what do we want to [01:06:15] occupy the country for three years? [01:06:16] Think about how much that's going to [01:06:17] cost. I voted against the billions of [01:06:20] dollars that we gave Netanyahu when he [01:06:22] was slaughtering people in Gaza. I was [01:06:25] opposed, of course, to October 7th as a [01:06:27] terrorist attack in Hamas. But uh we [01:06:30] can't just be giving billions of dollars [01:06:31] of offensive weapons for two years to to [01:06:34] Netanyahu. And I do believe that we need [01:06:37] to stop uh a military budget of these [01:06:41] endless wars. I mean, [01:06:43] >> here's a great analogy. [01:06:44] >> Yeah. [01:06:45] >> You're a dad. [01:06:46] >> If your kids are [ __ ] starving to [01:06:48] death, [01:06:50] >> what and somebody gives you and and why [01:06:52] would you give your money to your [01:06:53] neighbors so that your neighbors kids [01:06:55] can eat instead of yours? Why would you [01:06:58] do that? [01:06:59] >> Yeah. No. I look, I think we have to [01:07:01] first take care of our [01:07:02] >> starving people here. We have people [01:07:04] that are dying of fentanyl every day. We [01:07:06] have, [sighs] [01:07:08] >> you know, been around to. [01:07:09] >> So, so look, and Argentina, we're [01:07:11] bailing out Argentina's failed [01:07:13] leadership. I'm all for focusing on uh [01:07:17] not these endless wars, uh not uh [01:07:20] wasting money overseas, focusing on [01:07:22] building our communities, and I'm also [01:07:24] for getting rid of the fra fraud, waste, [01:07:26] and inefficiencies. FDR, who's one of my [01:07:28] favorite presidents, New Deal, he said [01:07:30] there's total local inefficiencies in [01:07:33] government, wasted money uh in uh local [01:07:36] governments, state governments. I'm [01:07:38] going to tackle that. And I'm also going [01:07:39] to tax the wealthy to get people health [01:07:42] care and and child care and jobs. I [01:07:44] think we have to do both. But I spoke [01:07:46] out on oversight yesterday uh about the [01:07:49] fraud that was going on in in in in [01:07:52] Minnesota and other places. I wasn't [01:07:54] like, "Okay, let's just defend it." I [01:07:56] said, "Let's do an audit on all 50 [01:07:57] states. [01:07:58] >> Look at the inefficiency spending in [01:08:00] Sacramento. Look at it in uh in in [01:08:02] Minnesota, but look at it at all 50 [01:08:04] states and let's have an audit. Let's [01:08:07] understand why we wasted money. Why did [01:08:08] we waste money in the pandemic when [01:08:11] unemployment [01:08:12] checks were claimed as fraud and uh what [01:08:15] were the projects that are have have [01:08:17] been wasted and and have a clear [01:08:20] accountability so that people know that [01:08:22] they're where their tax dollars are [01:08:24] going and you have to do that if you [01:08:25] have my view that we want government to [01:08:27] do healthcare and childare and jobs. I [01:08:29] mean people may disagree with me that [01:08:30] that's the obligation of government but [01:08:32] I feel that people should have basic [01:08:34] education and healthcare to be able to [01:08:36] have a decent life. Uh, but I've got the [01:08:38] responsibility to to take on a fraud and [01:08:41] waste and abuse. And I don't think this [01:08:42] should be partisan. Like I don't think [01:08:44] we need to be defending wasteful, [01:08:47] inefficient government. I mean, would do [01:08:51] you would it be I I don't think I'm sure [01:08:54] a lot of people would argue, but I mean [01:08:56] I I think all in all it is better for [01:09:00] you and I and everybody in this country [01:09:02] if we have a better education system. So [01:09:04] I mean I can't I can't argue that. I [01:09:06] don't I don't want my taxes to go up. I [01:09:08] don't want to [ __ ] pay for it. But [01:09:10] yes, I can't I can't argue that it would [01:09:12] be great if everybody had healthcare and [01:09:15] and it was actually affordable. Yeah. [01:09:17] >> But [01:09:19] but I mean, would it be I mean, is it [01:09:22] even a possibility to just think and go, [01:09:26] you know what, we're not going to tax [01:09:28] them anymore. Let's get this waste, [01:09:30] fraud, and abuse under control and [01:09:31] reallocate those funds to what you want [01:09:34] to do. I mean, why couldn't we do it [01:09:36] like that rather than penalize the Cuz [01:09:39] look, I'm I'm a business owner, Ro. I [01:09:41] bust my [ __ ] ass to make what I have. [01:09:45] I'm I mean, [01:09:46] >> 12 to 18 hour days. I know you are [01:09:48] >> every day, 7 days a week. My team works [01:09:51] their ass off. [01:09:52] >> I don't want to pay for everybody else's [01:09:54] [ __ ] I have a drive. I'm, you know, and [01:09:57] and it takes a lot of work and I do not [01:09:59] want to pay for somebody else to sit on [01:10:01] their ass at home. It just [01:10:03] >> But did you I don't know your story of [01:10:05] Did you go to public school or did you [01:10:07] >> I did go to public school. [01:10:08] >> So did I. Right. You went a decent [01:10:10] public school for everyone. I don't know [01:10:12] about you. I had teachers who believed [01:10:13] in me and paved the way. Uh I was grew [01:10:16] up in a middle class family, but I [01:10:18] didn't have to worry about being able to [01:10:20] see a doctor, get a physical. Uh you [01:10:23] know, I just want the basics. And the [01:10:25] reality is I mean by being honest about [01:10:26] the math is yes, we need to go about [01:10:30] waste and fraud. I don't think the math [01:10:32] works to be able to get health care for [01:10:35] everyone and to be able to get a decent [01:10:37] education for everyone, trade schools or [01:10:40] college. Uh if you just do that without [01:10:43] having the extraordinary wealthy pay a [01:10:45] bit more in tax. Look, my district where [01:10:48] you get you have more people on for my [01:10:50] district than anyone [01:10:51] >> probably. [01:10:51] >> We've we've got $18 trillion of wealth. [01:10:54] Onethird of America's wealth is in my 50 [01:10:57] mile radius district. Five companies [01:10:59] over a trillion dollars. Nvidia, uh, [01:11:02] Google, Apple, uh, the Tesla, and [01:11:05] Broadcom. And they asked Jensen, the [01:11:08] Nvidia CEO, he said, "Yeah, okay, fine. [01:11:10] I'll pay a tax or something. I love [01:11:11] living in Silicon Valley." Whatever you [01:11:14] think about the design of this tax, you [01:11:16] can't have a nation where you've got [01:11:18] some places with $18 trillion. And then [01:11:20] where I grew up in Pennsylvania in Bucks [01:11:22] County, the steel mill, Fair Fearless [01:11:24] Works shut down in western Pennsylvania. [01:11:27] Hollowed out factories all going over to [01:11:29] China or Mexico. People feeling like [01:11:31] their kids and grandkids aren't going to [01:11:32] have a shot at the American dream. Like [01:11:34] that's not a country that works. So why [01:11:36] can't you say, "Okay, we've got to get [01:11:38] this prosperity not just in Silicon [01:11:40] Valley, not just in the AI revolution. [01:11:42] We need to industrialize America. Have a [01:11:44] Marshall plan for America. Build up new [01:11:46] factories and industry. Build up new [01:11:48] trade schools. Build up new tech centers [01:11:50] and jobs across the country. Have [01:11:52] healthcare and basic public education [01:11:54] for the country. That's what I call [01:11:56] economic patriotism. It's to build up [01:11:58] this country. And I I don't think that's [01:12:00] a bad bet long term because it's saying [01:12:04] that we want prosperity, but a basic [01:12:07] shot for everyone in this country. [01:12:09] >> Mhm. Mhm. [01:12:11] It'd be great. I'd just love to see the [01:12:13] waste, fraud, and abuse gone first [01:12:15] before we all have to pay more taxes. [01:12:17] But [01:12:19] >> that's just me and everybody else. [01:12:21] [laughter] [01:12:23] >> The uh let let me ask you this though. [01:12:25] Yeah. I don't know if you're a [01:12:25] billionaire now. You don't have to tell [01:12:26] me. [01:12:26] >> I'm definitely not a billionaire. But if [01:12:28] you if you became when you become a [01:12:30] billionaire, if you thought that the [01:12:33] money was actually going positively, [01:12:35] right, like for actually building [01:12:36] factories in western Pennsylvania or [01:12:38] jobs for kids in Warren, Ohio, [01:12:40] >> wrote, if I knew the money was going to [01:12:42] the right place, I would do it. [01:12:44] >> You would do it. [01:12:45] >> I would do it. But I don't believe the [01:12:47] money is going to go to the right place. [01:12:48] I mean, [01:12:49] >> I donate a lot of money to kids. this [01:12:53] kind of stuff that we're talking about. [01:12:54] >> Yeah. [01:12:55] >> Organizations that are doing something [01:12:57] to protect kids. That's that's the thing [01:12:59] that's nearest and dearest to my heart. [01:13:01] I spend a lot of time and donate a lot [01:13:03] of money to veteran organizations [01:13:05] because I'm a veteran. No. [01:13:07] >> But and I would I I donate to single [01:13:10] mothers. That's another thing that's [01:13:12] that's near and dear to my heart. But so [01:13:14] I I still do my part. I'm not the I'm [01:13:17] not the I'm not the [ __ ] that's, you [01:13:19] know, keeping all everything. I'm I'm [01:13:21] I'm I care about people. I want people [01:13:24] to succeed. I want them to be [01:13:26] successful. I want them to get over [01:13:27] their trauma. I want I just I love good [01:13:30] people. But, you know, when I when I see [01:13:32] all this stuff, when I see [01:13:36] illegals being housed in in in in hotels [01:13:40] and I see the Somali stuff that we just [01:13:43] was just uncovered by uh by [01:13:46] by by Nick, you know, I mean, it it's [01:13:48] it's just like, man, I just when I see [01:13:51] another couple of billion go to another [01:13:53] country, I'm like, man, why the [01:13:55] >> man Chicago? This place looks like a [01:13:57] [ __ ] war zone. Why are we sending [01:13:59] money overseas? I mean, yeah, I would [01:14:01] love to help all the people overseas, [01:14:03] but look at this place. This is where we [01:14:06] live. [01:14:06] >> No, that I agree with you. We're wasting [01:14:08] all this money on Argentina and [01:14:10] Venezuela. We should be focusing more on [01:14:12] Virginia and Pennsylvania and Ohio and [01:14:14] people here. But let me ask you your [01:14:16] genuine view because I know you're, you [01:14:17] know, a little bit more conservative [01:14:19] than I have. We used to have a national [01:14:23] aspiration, a national project of doing [01:14:25] great things as Americans, right? Uh we [01:14:28] won World War II. We built up uh Europe [01:14:32] with the Marshall Plan. We built up our [01:14:33] own industry and doing amazing things. [01:14:36] We uh won the Cold War. We went to the [01:14:39] moon. We started the internet through [01:14:42] DARPA and NSF. We invented GPS. We [01:14:46] invented AI through the government. How [01:14:50] do we convince people that you can have [01:14:53] public excellence again? that you can [01:14:55] have national projects that work again, [01:14:58] that you can have a sense that we can [01:15:00] all do something with government that [01:15:01] makes life better. Because I agree with [01:15:03] you, right now people think it's corrupt [01:15:04] with Epstein. They waste money. But you [01:15:07] can't have a great nation if people [01:15:10] don't believe it's possible to do great [01:15:12] things with our government. And and [01:15:14] we've lost that ability or faith other [01:15:16] than the military. People are like, [01:15:17] "Okay, we've got a great military, but [01:15:19] how do we have that more broadly as a [01:15:21] national aspiration?" I'll tell you, we [01:15:24] have to have trust in you guys, and [01:15:26] that's at an all-time low. And we have [01:15:28] to have trust in the institutions, and [01:15:31] that's at an all-time low. And I think [01:15:33] you'd know why all of those are at an [01:15:35] all-time low, because [01:15:38] exactly exactly what you're fighting [01:15:40] right now. A lot of stuff that happened [01:15:42] within the last administration and the [01:15:44] one before that, the one before that. [01:15:46] But I mean, we have we just we haven't [01:15:48] seen any of these agencies uh be held [01:15:51] accountable for going rogue. We haven't [01:15:53] seen any politicians held accountable [01:15:55] for going rogue. I mean, and and so why [01:15:59] would any of us believe you? I mean, [01:16:01] it's [01:16:02] >> Ro, I'll just just going to be honest. [01:16:04] It's so [ __ ] bad now. I don't even [01:16:06] think I'm going to vote the next time [01:16:07] because what's the point? What's the [01:16:09] point? [01:16:10] >> I sat there and interviewed everybody. [01:16:12] They all [ __ ] lied to my face. [01:16:13] Nothing has happened. Let me let me [01:16:15] challenge you, Sean. Look, [01:16:18] >> we've had people who scaled the cliffs [01:16:20] of Normandy, right? So you and I could [01:16:22] be free. [01:16:23] >> John Lewis was beaten on the Edmond [01:16:24] Pettis Bridge. My grandfather, he was an [01:16:27] American. He was in India. He was part [01:16:29] of Gandhi's movement for independence. [01:16:30] He was in jail for four years so that [01:16:32] India could be a free country so my [01:16:34] parents could come here. There are so [01:16:36] many people who have sacrificed for this [01:16:39] country to build this country. You did [01:16:42] when you wore the uniform. We can't give [01:16:45] up out of cynicism on the American [01:16:47] project. It's like we have been so [01:16:50] blessed with people who have sacrificed [01:16:52] so much more. And to say, "Look, it's [01:16:54] all corrupt. We're going to give up." Is [01:16:56] to squander the sacrifices of people who [01:17:00] built America. [01:17:03] >> I'm I hear you. I mean, I'm I [01:17:07] >> get up and run for Congress. Get up and [01:17:09] >> I'm not running for Congress. I've I've [01:17:11] thought about it. [01:17:12] >> Run for president. I mean, run for run. [01:17:14] You know, you you know, you never know. [01:17:16] There was another guy who didn't have [01:17:17] elective office who did pretty well. [01:17:19] [laughter] [01:17:21] >> I think I'm good on I actually thought [01:17:22] about it, but um [01:17:24] >> you would be great. [01:17:25] >> Well, the people that I thought that I [01:17:26] talked to about it that are in there [01:17:28] said that I I have a lot more influence [01:17:29] out here than I ever [01:17:30] >> That's that is true. That is true. You [01:17:33] do. But you but look the the anyone [01:17:38] I'm not saying this a lot of people it's [01:17:40] easy to tear things down. [01:17:42] The harder thing is how do we build it [01:17:45] up? And you got a huge platform. We have [01:17:48] to have trust though. I mean when I have [01:17:51] I don't even know how many politicians [01:17:53] I've had sit across from me, you know, [01:17:55] over the years. And [01:17:58] man, I can't think of a single one of [01:18:00] them that got in there and did what they [01:18:01] said they were going to do. Maybe even [01:18:03] attempted to do what they say they were [01:18:05] going to do. [01:18:06] >> That's a uh that's sad. [01:18:08] >> It is [ __ ] sad. [01:18:09] >> How do you assess my honesty here? We [01:18:11] got [laughter] [01:18:12] to see [01:18:13] >> because you're going against the grain. [01:18:15] >> Well, Mass Bassie and I are willing to [01:18:16] see we're willing to risk our seats, [01:18:18] right? Whatever you think. [01:18:19] >> And you're coming together with with [01:18:20] with with the enemy or you know. [01:18:23] >> Yeah. [01:18:23] >> Not the enemy. You know what I mean? I [01:18:25] mean, it's been very divisive. And so, [01:18:27] you know, that's and that's one thing [01:18:28] that I've been trying to display here. [01:18:30] That's why I brought Gavin Newsome on. [01:18:31] That's why I brought Hunter Biden on. I [01:18:33] want to show that, hey, we we can have a [01:18:35] conversation. We have to try to kill. [01:18:36] >> I didn't know Hunter was that smart till [01:18:38] I heard about [laughter] your thing. I [01:18:39] was like, cuz he was so caricatured in [01:18:42] the media. Then I was like, wow, the guy [01:18:44] has like complex thoughts. [laughter] [01:18:45] Probably going to get in trouble from [01:18:47] Hunter. But I was like, first time I [01:18:48] heard him was on on uh your show where [01:18:51] like and he and he held his own. So, you [01:18:53] did him a big big favor. [01:18:55] >> Might like them. You might like him. [01:18:56] >> Might like that. That that that that [01:18:58] thing went went uh went viral. But look, [01:19:01] I I think we need people like you to to [01:19:04] participate in the political process to [01:19:08] help to rebuild the process because the [01:19:09] the thing that concerns me about China, [01:19:12] I was just in China. I'm now the top [01:19:14] Democrat on the China committee. They [01:19:16] got 20% youth unemployment. They don't [01:19:18] have nearly, in my view, the kind of [01:19:21] innovation that we do, uh, or the sense [01:19:23] of having the best and brightest from [01:19:25] around the world want to come to [01:19:27] America. They're not lining up to go to [01:19:28] China. They're lining up to come to the [01:19:30] United States of America. So, what is [01:19:32] our problem? Our problem is cynicism and [01:19:36] corrosiveness and division where we give [01:19:38] up on the government and we give up on [01:19:42] uh our ability to self-govern. And [01:19:44] that's a real risk. Like, okay, we did [01:19:48] Epstein, the files aren't coming out. We [01:19:50] aren't being able to stop money in [01:19:53] politics. We're see all this waste and [01:19:56] fraud. If we give up on having a [01:19:58] national purpose, national aspiration, [01:20:01] we lose this country. And I and I don't [01:20:03] know how that to me is the hardest thing [01:20:05] to fight. It's like I could tell you the [01:20:07] programs I'm for, but how do we overcome [01:20:09] the despair, the anger, the cynicism? [01:20:13] How do we inspire this country the way [01:20:16] whether you were with John F. Kennedy or [01:20:17] FDR Lincoln Reagan who I disagreed with? [01:20:21] H how do we create that sense of like [01:20:22] yeah I want America to succeed. You know [01:20:26] I felt like that the last time I felt [01:20:27] >> going to have to prove to the people [01:20:29] that it's not a two-tiered class system. [01:20:32] >> Yeah, [01:20:32] >> that's how it's and that is likely the [01:20:35] only way it's going to happen. [01:20:37] Somebody's ass is going to have to get [01:20:39] pinned to the [ __ ] wall and we're all [01:20:41] going to have to see it to believe that [01:20:43] there is not a two-tiered system. But [01:20:46] there is a two-tiered system. It's very [01:20:48] obvious. You're seeing it right now. [01:20:50] Yeah. And that's what the Epstein class [01:20:52] is all about. It's one set of rules for [01:20:54] the powerful. And by the way, look what [01:20:57] they did to this country, right? [01:21:00] Symbolically, not just the people who [01:21:01] were pedophiles, but this Epstein class [01:21:03] of rich and powerful people. They [01:21:05] watched as jobs left America. All the [01:21:08] industries hollowed out. They didn't [01:21:10] care. Profits were going up. They their [01:21:12] shareholders were doing fine. They [01:21:14] watched as people's costs of healthcare [01:21:18] went up. Child care went up. They [01:21:21] watched as [01:21:23] 70% of Americans don't think the [01:21:25] American dream matters. They got us in [01:21:27] all these wars overseas and didn't make [01:21:31] us safer. So people have had it with [01:21:34] that class of folks. They want something [01:21:37] new. They want something different. They [01:21:39] want people who are going to take on a [01:21:41] corrupt elite. And I think that's why [01:21:44] I'm saying we need people like you or [01:21:46] others in your show to get out there, [01:21:48] run, get start to take the government [01:21:50] back and to have a sense of [01:21:52] transparency, not fraud, not standing up [01:21:56] against a corrupt elite, and then [01:21:58] offering a sense of a vision for what we [01:22:00] can do as as as a as a country. [01:22:05] We've all seen it. 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I [01:24:38] love the man because I think that he [01:24:40] holds true to his values and his [01:24:43] constituents values. [01:24:44] >> Yeah. In fact, I know for a fact he's [01:24:46] even voted against what he wants to [01:24:49] appease his constituents, which I [01:24:53] have a tremendous amount of respect for. [01:24:56] But I mean, I see these guys and I mean, [01:24:59] there's a handful of SEALs in Congress. [01:25:01] I'm a SEAL. It's tight-knit community, [01:25:02] right? But, you know, and and and other [01:25:05] veterans, too. Green, especially the [01:25:07] special operations guys. But [01:25:09] >> I mean, they are so except one seal. [01:25:13] There's one guy in there. But um but um [01:25:18] but no, seriously, I mean, they are they [01:25:20] are they are frustrated. I can see it on [01:25:24] their face. They I mean, they're [01:25:28] demoralized. [01:25:30] >> Yeah, I I I I hear that cuz they there's [01:25:33] a different sense of camaraderie. It's [01:25:37] not just I think the folks in the the [01:25:39] Seals are [01:25:40] >> they can't get on a committee if they [01:25:41] don't play ball. Yeah. They all they [01:25:43] care about I don't know about all of [01:25:45] them but you know the few that I'm [01:25:49] speaking about that I'm close with are I [01:25:51] mean they're they just want to do the [01:25:53] right thing and they can't [01:25:55] >> and [01:25:57] it's sad. It's sad. [01:25:59] >> Yeah. No, I mean I I I hear that. I mean [01:26:02] one we need term limits I think in these [01:26:04] >> four term limits. [01:26:05] >> I am. I'm one of the few Democrats I [01:26:07] worked with Brian Fitzpatrick and Jody [01:26:10] Arrington. I don't think you should do [01:26:11] more than 12 years as a house member or [01:26:13] two terms as a senator. Some people [01:26:14] there 30 40 years. Come on, do something [01:26:17] else with your life. Uh I think we got [01:26:20] to get rid of all the pack money and [01:26:22] lobbyist money. Super PAC money. [01:26:25] >> I'd love to see that. [01:26:26] >> You know those two things you do. [01:26:28] >> You don't take any pack. [01:26:29] >> I don't take pack money. I don't take [01:26:30] lobbyist money. I don't have a super [01:26:32] PAC. You know, you just get rid of pack [01:26:35] money, lobbyist money. create term [01:26:36] limits and you make sure members of [01:26:39] Congress can't become lobbyists. You [01:26:41] know, I've been on the Armed Services [01:26:42] Committee for 10 years and I didn't [01:26:45] serve in the in in the military, but [01:26:47] I've developed such admiration, respect [01:26:50] for people who have served, right? And [01:26:52] you know what a lot of people do after [01:26:53] the they're on the Armed Services [01:26:54] Committee? They don't go wear the [01:26:57] uniform. They don't go like Theodore [01:26:59] Roosevelt to to go fight in the wars or [01:27:01] Abraham Lincoln did. they uh go and work [01:27:04] for the defense companies that they were [01:27:06] supposed to regulate as lobbyists. So, [01:27:08] stop members of Congress from becoming [01:27:10] lobbyists. You do those three things and [01:27:14] you would clean up so much of uh our [01:27:18] country. You know, I I respect people [01:27:20] who sort of disagreed with me, let's [01:27:22] say, on on the wealth tax, but what I [01:27:24] don't respect is people saying, "Okay, [01:27:25] now I'm going to pour in millions of [01:27:27] dollars to take this guy out because I [01:27:29] disagree with him." Like how do we have [01:27:31] that kind of system of government where [01:27:34] people can use their wealth for power, [01:27:37] where people can stay in Congress for [01:27:40] years just to uh accumulate power and no [01:27:45] turbulence. There's we've got to return [01:27:47] to basic democracy. And people who wear [01:27:50] the uniform, you know why your guys, [01:27:51] your friends see it most is because they [01:27:53] they sacrifice. And it's a totally [01:27:55] different culture in the military. [01:27:58] there. It's all about the mission. [01:28:00] That's the difference. It's mission. [01:28:02] Mission first, ego second. Politics is [01:28:05] ego first, you know, mission second. [01:28:07] >> Country second. [01:28:08] >> And I you know what? I'm tired of the [01:28:10] charismatic politicians. How about [01:28:12] courage is the new charisma? Like I [01:28:14] don't need the guy who's going to be the [01:28:16] entertainer or the charber or the like, [01:28:19] do we do we think in the military the [01:28:21] best person is the guy who's the [01:28:22] funniest or the most charming or the the [01:28:24] person who's kind of got the most [01:28:26] magnetism? No. It's the person who [01:28:29] despite being shot five times still [01:28:32] lands the mission. The person who cares [01:28:34] more about the guys in his uh battalion [01:28:39] than his old life. How about we start to [01:28:41] get people of courage and substance in [01:28:43] politics? It is not their ideas. It's [01:28:46] not their intellect. It's not their [01:28:47] degrees. Frankly, it's just courage and [01:28:50] putting people first instead of putting [01:28:52] themselves first. And that that's the [01:28:55] culture of the military actually in [01:28:57] terms of what works. There are no big [01:28:59] egos. It's all about the mission. And [01:29:02] that's what we've lost in our politics. [01:29:04] We don't The last time we had a mission, [01:29:05] I disagreed with the war in Iraq. But [01:29:09] the last time I really felt that was [01:29:10] when George W. Bush after 9/11 was [01:29:13] saying, you know, the rocks and he's [01:29:15] like, those people who did this to us, [01:29:16] they're going to hear from us. It was a [01:29:18] sense of okay, like I I remember I was [01:29:21] that they stopped the Flyers game [01:29:23] because I was grew up in Philadelphia to [01:29:24] hear the president of the United States [01:29:26] talk about what this country was going [01:29:28] to do. Like how do we get that mission [01:29:30] again as a country? [01:29:34] >> I think I just told you, [01:29:36] >> but we got to see it happen. Well, I'm [01:29:38] just curious. What percentage of [01:29:40] Congress is four term limits? [01:29:42] >> It's not a lot. [laughter] [01:29:44] >> I'll bet it's not a lot. [01:29:47] How many of you are there? Two or three? [01:29:49] >> No, they're they're they're u candidly [01:29:52] there more Republicans who are for it [01:29:54] than Democrats. [01:29:56] >> Why do you think that is? I'm just [01:29:58] curious. you know, the the the real [01:30:02] reason, one reason, [01:30:04] which is legitimate but changing, is um [01:30:09] when we had the Jim Crow South and when [01:30:11] it was very, very hard for uh [01:30:14] African-Americans to run for office and [01:30:16] win statewide, the only way the black [01:30:19] community would be able to gain a voice [01:30:21] is to get to Congress because they [01:30:23] couldn't win statewide and then develop [01:30:25] seniority in Congress. So some people [01:30:28] feel like, okay, finally they have a [01:30:30] voice. Now if you're going to have [01:30:31] turbulence, you're going to get rid of [01:30:33] that voice that would that that's been [01:30:35] building since the civil rights [01:30:36] movement. That's one one substantive [01:30:38] reason. But a lot of it is also [01:30:40] cultural. I think Republicans feel like, [01:30:43] you know, they do other stuff. They're [01:30:44] business owners. They're uh military. [01:30:47] Democrats have a love for public [01:30:49] service. So that's a good thing. Uh [01:30:51] because we think government can do [01:30:53] important things. It should do important [01:30:54] things. But it could also become a sense [01:30:56] of well let other people have a turn. [01:30:58] Don't don't just do uh 40 years. You [01:31:02] know one of the reasons I was for Bernie [01:31:04] Sanders is he was an outsider. He was [01:31:07] like yeah I want a new group of people [01:31:09] in charge. It wasn't even his policies. [01:31:11] He was just like the same group of [01:31:12] people are running things. Let me break [01:31:14] up the system. And that's why you had [01:31:16] some so many people drawn to outsider [01:31:19] candidates. But yeah they're more [01:31:21] Republicans than Democrats. But I think [01:31:22] it's also generational. a new [01:31:24] generation, I think it'd be for turbo [01:31:26] limits. But you get rid you get turb [01:31:27] limits and you get rid of the money and [01:31:29] politics and those are the two biggest [01:31:31] things that would would clean up the the [01:31:34] system. [01:31:35] >> What what do you think would happen? [01:31:37] What what what do you think would happen [01:31:39] if the if the country's power struct [01:31:42] let's say the let's say all the Epstein [01:31:44] files get released, we prosecute [01:31:46] everything, you know, picture perfect, [01:31:48] everything you want and the victims. [01:31:52] power structure is gone. [01:31:54] What do you think the consequences of [01:31:56] that are? [01:31:59] >> Like I said, a lot of it is the older [01:32:01] older generation, but I think the [01:32:03] consequences of that is you would have a [01:32:05] a totally new group of people start to [01:32:07] get into our congresses and into our [01:32:10] positions of leadership. I think you [01:32:12] would have a sense of accountability, [01:32:14] like, okay, you can't just call up your [01:32:16] buddy to stop prosecution. you can't [01:32:19] just call up your buddy to have a [01:32:20] different set of rules. Uh I I think it [01:32:23] would it would start to get our country [01:32:24] back to the founding values of of what [01:32:27] it used to be that you got you you were [01:32:29] in public service for public service. It [01:32:31] would be a a a a reset for for America. [01:32:35] >> Well, I mean when we talk about hundreds [01:32:39] of people that are the abusers, I think [01:32:42] you said hundreds, right? [01:32:44] >> Either abu direct abusers or trafficked [01:32:46] or covered up. [01:32:48] How many people I mean do I don't know [01:32:50] if you have any more insight than I do [01:32:52] but [01:32:53] >> probably you have I mean you've studied [01:32:54] this so deep based on your stuff. I mean [01:32:56] I I the only insights I have that you [01:32:59] may not have I don't know how many [01:33:00] survivors you've talked to survivors [01:33:01] lawyers but my information that I've [01:33:04] been repeating to you is what's coming [01:33:05] from survivors from survivors lawyers. [01:33:07] >> Okay. Okay. [01:33:09] Do you have any indication of how many [01:33:11] people are [01:33:14] in politics or [01:33:16] >> quite a few I mean from [01:33:18] >> I don't know how many are still in power [01:33:20] but I know there were a lot of they were [01:33:22] they were politicians who were involved [01:33:24] people in politics who went to Epstein's [01:33:27] rape island who engaged in the [01:33:29] trafficking of women. I think there were [01:33:30] a lot of people in New York in finance [01:33:32] and there were people in politics uh [01:33:35] that that were caught up in this. Now [01:33:37] they they're probably formal politicians [01:33:39] by now, but uh it was a group of people [01:33:43] who didn't think even it was anything [01:33:45] wrong. Like they just thought this is [01:33:47] their gratification. You know, it's like [01:33:49] uh this they they're powerful. They they [01:33:51] they they get this. They've conquered [01:33:55] and uh they're going to exploit these [01:33:57] girls and no one's going to touch them. [01:34:01] You know, the other thing is that [01:34:03] they're ruthless, right? Like most [01:34:04] Americans, you know, one statistic I [01:34:07] read which surprised me is most [01:34:09] Americans end up living 15 miles away [01:34:11] from their mom. Most people don't travel [01:34:13] that far and they settle down whether [01:34:16] it's their rural community, factory [01:34:18] town, place where they grew up. And you [01:34:21] look at this Epstein class and these [01:34:22] people and they're like, I'm in Davos, [01:34:25] I'm in Britain, I'm you like flying all [01:34:27] over the world. Where can we be Silicon [01:34:31] Valley, New York? Let's go to Epstein's [01:34:33] rape island. Like it it's just ruthless. [01:34:36] They're not they're not people going to [01:34:38] church every week. They're not going by [01:34:40] the synagogue or temple. They're not [01:34:43] going to the barbecues. They're not in [01:34:45] their PTAs. And that that's part of what [01:34:48] the country has lost. Right? When our [01:34:50] founders envisioned democracy, they [01:34:53] envisioned it the power with people in [01:34:56] community. And now if you're in one of [01:34:58] those communities, so you're like the [01:35:00] little league coach who everyone loves [01:35:03] and you say, "Okay, I want to run for [01:35:05] Congress." Like, what chance do you have [01:35:07] if one of these kind of [01:35:08] multi-millionaires or billionaires moves [01:35:11] into your district and says, "No, I want [01:35:12] to run for Congress. I'm going to put in [01:35:14] $10 million on on uh TV." Like, who do [01:35:17] you think is going to get elected? [01:35:18] >> The billionaire. And that's the problem [01:35:21] that it's it's like the people are the [01:35:24] money has so skewed it the like you're [01:35:28] the people who are just like decent like [01:35:31] okay maybe you don't want the little [01:35:32] league coach being president of the [01:35:33] United States it's like okay president [01:35:34] of United States you got to really like [01:35:36] you you've got to know a lot of stuff [01:35:38] and I want someone who really [01:35:39] understands everything but like there [01:35:40] 435 people in Congress I just want like [01:35:43] people who like love the community care [01:35:44] about the kids care about things have [01:35:46] good values I don't I don't need like [01:35:49] every person they have built a ton of [01:35:51] wealth and values like and you look at [01:35:54] Congress how many people are like that [01:35:55] who are just from the community it's all [01:35:58] people who like including me like you [01:36:00] have to raise money you have to it's a [01:36:02] it's not a it's it's a game that is so [01:36:07] rigged against ordinary people who just [01:36:10] love their community and want to serve [01:36:11] their community and that's a sad thing [01:36:13] that's that's not how it was intended to [01:36:15] be [01:36:17] well how did you get in there. I lost [01:36:19] twice. You know my story. I I uh I grew [01:36:22] up son of immigrants. Uh was born in [01:36:25] Philadelphia in our bsentenery. I grew [01:36:27] went to public school, graduated with [01:36:30] like over $100,000 in debt. Fascinated [01:36:33] with Silicon Valley. Went out there [01:36:35] while you were serving in Iraq. I ran [01:36:37] against a powerful incumbent member of [01:36:39] Congress, Democrat, who had voted for [01:36:42] the war in Iraq. And I thought it was a [01:36:44] terrible mistake. and I ran against an [01:36:47] incumbent in my own party and uh he was [01:36:49] a Holocaust survivor, someone I respect, [01:36:51] but people said, "You're gonna kill your [01:36:53] career. How can you run against this [01:36:54] guy?" And it was the first anti-Iraq [01:36:58] war campaign in the entire country. And [01:37:00] I got killed. I got 71. He got 71%. I [01:37:03] got 19%. [01:37:05] And uh but I didn't I thought I was [01:37:07] right. I kept staying at it. [01:37:09] >> You were right. [01:37:10] >> You know, I kept at it and then uh Obama [01:37:14] won. And that's when I got my break cuz [01:37:16] I had worked on his very first campaign [01:37:17] at uh when he was a a professor at [01:37:20] University of Chicago and I was a [01:37:22] student there. I had knocked on some [01:37:24] doors and so I got to go work for him at [01:37:26] the commerce department. And then I came [01:37:29] back and I said, "Okay, let me give it [01:37:30] one more try and I lost again." Why did [01:37:33] I lose twice? Cuz I didn't know all [01:37:36] these rich people. I didn't have a [01:37:38] machine, you know. I wasn't uh uh [01:37:40] related to to Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi [01:37:43] endorsed against me three times when I [01:37:45] when I ran all three times in [01:37:47] California. California is a machine [01:37:48] state. You know, it's like you got to [01:37:50] know the the the the the ends. I never [01:37:53] had anyone there. I moved there from [01:37:55] Pennsylvania. I was a son of immigrants. [01:37:57] I didn't have wealthy people parents and [01:38:00] I'm very proud of them. They have a [01:38:02] middle class life. And then I ran the [01:38:04] second time, lost. And the third time I [01:38:06] said, "Okay, I'll try one last time." [01:38:08] And I won. And you know, every time I go [01:38:10] into Congress, it's one of the reasons I [01:38:12] think I have a little bit of guts [01:38:13] because I wasn't supposed to get there. [01:38:15] There was not some destiny of, you know, [01:38:18] Roana is going to go become a Congress. [01:38:19] I'm a Hindu faith, Indian-American, came [01:38:23] from a middle class background, lost [01:38:25] twice before I won. So, every day I was [01:38:27] like, I'm going to make the most of it. [01:38:29] I should actually try to do something [01:38:31] because it was a miracle that I got to [01:38:33] Congress and I want to change something [01:38:35] and do something for the country. [01:38:37] >> It's a good story. [01:38:39] It's a true story. [01:38:40] >> I wanted um [01:38:44] back to the tax issue. I'm just curious. [01:38:46] I mean, [01:38:48] do you guys run models or anything like [01:38:51] that? Were you I mean, what if you [01:38:53] lowered the taxes and attracted more [01:38:56] people to Silicon Valley? Maybe some of [01:38:57] the people that left and went to Austin. [01:38:59] I mean, have you thought about that? [01:39:02] >> So, that would probably bring more tax [01:39:04] money in than actually raising the [01:39:07] taxes. Well, that's that's the theory [01:39:09] that uh you know the laugher curve for [01:39:12] Reagan. I mean, I uh disagree with some [01:39:15] of it. The main thing though, I'll [01:39:17] answer your question. Main thing I think [01:39:19] that attracts people to Silicon Valley, [01:39:20] the AI revolution is all the AI talent, [01:39:23] right? Like the AI talent is in two [01:39:25] places. In China, onethird of the AI [01:39:27] talent is there and it's in Silicon [01:39:29] Valley. And that's what Jensen said on [01:39:32] at Nvidia. Like, why are they there? Why [01:39:34] aren't they in Austin or in Florida? [01:39:36] because all the the AI researchers, the [01:39:38] AI uh talent is in in Silicon Valley. [01:39:42] Now, I I think it's a balance. [01:39:44] Obviously, if you move the rates too [01:39:46] high, uh everyone will leave. But the [01:39:49] the the the putting aside how you do it, [01:39:52] if you're an orary person, you're making [01:39:54] money, you're paying your tax, you're [01:39:56] paying income tax, or you're paying [01:39:58] capital gains tax. The challenge is if [01:40:00] you're a made a billion dollars, you're [01:40:02] a billionaire. You may never have to pay [01:40:05] an income tax, you're not getting [01:40:07] income, and you may never sell your [01:40:09] stock. You're not you're not uh [01:40:11] realizing capital gains. You may be [01:40:13] borrowing against this money and you're [01:40:15] not you're living your life and you're [01:40:17] not paying tax. So, how do you how do [01:40:19] you get at that? Now, some people have [01:40:20] said one proposal, which is a reasonable [01:40:22] one, is if someone borrows against their [01:40:25] assets, tax that if they're if they're [01:40:28] doing uh their their their lifestyle. [01:40:31] But I think one of the things people [01:40:32] feel is like if you made all this money, [01:40:35] you should be paying the same tax as a [01:40:37] secretary or a bus driver or someone in [01:40:39] the military. You know, that's what [01:40:41] Warren Buffett said. We can discuss how [01:40:43] to do it, but that's the feeling of [01:40:45] unfairness people have that that that [01:40:47] it's not like they want to sock it to [01:40:49] the rich. It's just that they want them [01:40:50] to pay the same percentage as someone [01:40:53] who's a teacher. [01:40:57] >> I mean, I I'm just, you know, what makes [01:40:59] me think of that is [01:41:02] you see all these states going taxfree. [01:41:04] Tennessee is one of them. [01:41:05] >> Are you guys tax? [01:41:06] >> We're a taxree state. [01:41:08] >> No income tax. [01:41:09] >> No income tax. [01:41:10] >> No uh unearned income tax. [01:41:13] >> But you have high property taxes or no? [01:41:15] >> Nope. [01:41:16] >> Nope. [01:41:16] >> We have a high sales tax. [01:41:18] >> Okay. [01:41:18] >> Well, I don't know if it's high by your [01:41:20] standards, [laughter] but it's just [01:41:22] under 10%. But [01:41:24] >> by by making and I don't know if we're [01:41:26] 100% unearned income taxree yet. If it's [01:41:28] not, it's like a stairst step thing. It [01:41:30] goes down, right? But I mean, Tennessee [01:41:33] went taxfree [01:41:35] and there are more Californians living [01:41:38] here now. I'm not joking and I'm not [01:41:40] Yeah, [01:41:40] >> this isn't like a thing, but you know, [01:41:42] it's there are more a lot of [01:41:44] neighborhoods, at least here in [01:41:45] Franklin, [01:41:47] >> 60% of the people are from California in [01:41:49] the neighborhoods. [01:41:50] >> Do they like them? Do they like [01:41:51] Californians here or no? [01:41:53] >> What's that? [01:41:53] >> Do the folks down here like the [01:41:55] Californians or they [laughter] [01:41:57] >> I don't know. But [01:42:00] >> but uh I think there was a lot of [01:42:02] concern at around COVID time, but I [01:42:05] think a lot of that has kind of died [01:42:07] down now. But um cuz it's brought a hell [01:42:11] of a workforce and it's it's it's I mean [01:42:13] it's overp populated the around here, [01:42:15] but it's brought in a it's brought in a [01:42:17] lot of business and a lot of the [01:42:19] infrastructure has has flourished as [01:42:22] well. So that's good to see. [01:42:24] >> But but what I'm saying is we got we've [01:42:26] got all these people from California, [01:42:28] New York, um Michigan moving in here. [01:42:33] And I mean the state is growing I [01:42:35] believe 20% year after year since co [01:42:38] you know, so [01:42:39] >> for Tennessee. I don't [01:42:40] >> but but [01:42:42] then you look at Florida and I mean [01:42:44] Florida is just going I mean this this [01:42:46] place doesn't even compare to what's [01:42:48] going on down there. Another tax-free [01:42:50] state. And so I'm just I'm just curious. [01:42:52] I mean when you guys are thinking about [01:42:54] raising taxes, are you looking at what [01:42:56] the other states are and are you seeing [01:42:58] the draw that they're getting from [01:43:00] states with higher taxes? [01:43:04] I I grant that that there are people who [01:43:06] go to Florida for lower taxes or [01:43:08] >> taxes uh or taxes, [01:43:10] >> but you look at some of the things that [01:43:12] California has done well, right? We had [01:43:14] five Nobel laureates out of the UC [01:43:16] system. So that's because of a lot of [01:43:18] funding in the UC system. We've got [01:43:20] great higher education. We've got great [01:43:22] community colleges. Uh we have invested [01:43:25] in a lot of health care for people in [01:43:28] the country in in in the state. And the [01:43:30] health care costs are far lower for many [01:43:32] people than in uh in Texas. Now, we've [01:43:34] screwed up housing. You know, we don't [01:43:36] build enough. Austin and Texas does that [01:43:38] a lot more. You know, I think when Gavin [01:43:40] ran, he promised that we would build 3.5 [01:43:42] million houses and we built 120,000 [01:43:45] houses. So, I'm not going to defend [01:43:48] California on housing. We've got to have [01:43:50] less restrictive zoning. I'm a Yimi guy. [01:43:53] Let's build. And I think that we need to [01:43:55] look at places like Austin or other [01:43:57] parts of the country that have built uh [01:44:00] to be able to build more housing. But [01:44:01] this idea that uh that that if you you [01:44:05] you just need to be low tax, low [01:44:07] government, I don't I just [01:44:09] philosophically disagree with that [01:44:10] model. My view is if you have uh a uh [01:44:14] investments in community colleges, in [01:44:16] trade schools, in uh public schools, in [01:44:20] healthcare, uh that is a high [01:44:23] functioning society where you can build [01:44:25] wealth, where you can build uh wealth [01:44:27] for every every family. Like I just want [01:44:30] the shot in America that I had as a son [01:44:33] of immigrants, right? I got to go to a [01:44:35] good public school. I didn't have to [01:44:37] worry about going to a doctor. I got to [01:44:39] live in a safe community. You know, I [01:44:42] couldn't hit for anything in baseball. [01:44:44] They always said Kobat's ninth. Watch [01:44:46] the bun. But I got to play. I got to go [01:44:48] to the Phillies games. Like I I had a [01:44:50] great childhood on my street. Like there [01:44:53] were kids of electricians and plumbers [01:44:56] and was a kid of someone who was like a [01:44:58] big shot vice president as a company. [01:45:00] That guy had the pool and we all used to [01:45:02] go to that house to in the afternoons. [01:45:05] But the country, they didn't give me a [01:45:07] lot, but they gave me enough. [01:45:09] >> Mhm. [01:45:09] >> And my parents, you know, they said, [01:45:11] "Ro, you won the lottery. You were born [01:45:14] in America. Go work hard. Go make [01:45:16] something of yourself. Learn about the [01:45:18] country's history." My mom used to, one [01:45:20] of the things I never understand is [01:45:22] folks who say, "Don't learn English." My [01:45:23] mom used to sit at the kitchen table [01:45:26] with note cards of every big English [01:45:28] word. and she was convinced that you had [01:45:31] to know every word in the English [01:45:33] language to make it in America. See, [01:45:35] that's the spirit I want in this [01:45:37] country. Yeah. You got to work your, you [01:45:40] know, work with everything you have, [01:45:41] hard work. You got to love this country. [01:45:44] This is the greatest country in the [01:45:45] world. You got to love the history. [01:45:47] Appreciate the sacrifice of everyone who [01:45:50] fought from the Revolutionary War to the [01:45:51] World War II that fought for civil [01:45:53] rights. understand how great the country [01:45:56] is, but but give a shot to everyone. [01:46:00] That's the same shot I have. That's [01:46:02] that's what I want. I really do. And we [01:46:04] don't have that right now. [01:46:06] >> Mhm. [clears throat] [01:46:07] I'm not going to disagree with you. And [01:46:09] um you know, we're kind of winding up [01:46:10] down the interview here, but I just want [01:46:12] to say that you know, [01:46:16] now that I'm coming out of the the the [01:46:19] tribalized [01:46:21] whatever SCOP that I've fell into, and I [01:46:24] think just about everybody in the [01:46:25] country has fallen into. I mean, you [01:46:28] know what I'm realizing? The more other [01:46:30] people on the other side of the fence [01:46:31] that I talk to, like yourself, we all [01:46:33] want the same [ __ ] thing. We just [01:46:34] have different road maps how to get [01:46:37] there. And that's not a bad thing, [01:46:39] right? Because let's say it was just [01:46:42] like Roana gets to run America and no [01:46:45] one is saying like, "Are you wasting the [01:46:47] money? Is the money at you? Are are [01:46:49] people going to move away? Are you [01:46:51] actually going to help the kids you want [01:46:52] to help?" That wouldn't be good. And [01:46:55] let's say it was just someone saying, [01:46:57] "Okay, I just don't want to waste any [01:46:58] money. Don't want to don't want to spend [01:47:00] anything." And I was like, "Yeah, but [01:47:01] what about building those public schools [01:47:02] and factories?" That wouldn't be good. [01:47:04] What makes this country work or has made [01:47:06] it work is like having people on all [01:47:08] sides challenge each other and then we [01:47:10] get to a common understanding and and [01:47:12] good. And what's not working in this [01:47:14] country is we're busy launching ad [01:47:17] hominemum attacks on each other [01:47:20] >> dunking on each other without having [01:47:22] like actual debate. [01:47:24] >> It's not constructive criticism or [01:47:26] productive criticism. It's just [01:47:28] tribalism and it's not going anywhere. [01:47:30] And uh but and what I meant, you know, [01:47:32] is just you care about people and I care [01:47:35] about people and we want the best for [01:47:38] people, but it's just different avenues [01:47:40] how to get there. And uh [clears throat] [01:47:44] people, you guys especially have got to [01:47:46] start figuring out how to work out these [01:47:48] problems. Man, [01:47:49] >> I'm I'm counting on you to join me. I [01:47:51] don't think you ruled it out. I don't [01:47:53] think you ruled it out. [01:47:54] >> Not see my ass on the floor at the [01:47:56] house. Can guarantee you that. But um [01:48:00] but Ro, I I really appreciate what [01:48:02] you're doing. I mean, I [01:48:05] I know what it's like to go against the [01:48:07] grain and I just I applaud you. Good job [01:48:09] for doing that. People that what you're [01:48:13] doing right now with the Epstein stuff, [01:48:15] that's how you're going to get these [01:48:16] that's how you're going to get get the [01:48:17] win that you're asking. How do we get [01:48:19] this place back? And accountability from [01:48:22] that will be a great start. It may be [01:48:24] only the start that we the only start we [01:48:26] need, you know, to get things moving in [01:48:28] the right direction. But um but I do [01:48:31] want to ask you [01:48:31] >> Yeah. [01:48:32] >> If you could recommend three people for [01:48:34] the show, who would they be? [01:48:37] >> Thomas Massie, of course, uh who's uh [01:48:41] who's who's a interesting uh person and [01:48:44] really smart, but I mean really and and [01:48:46] and courageous. [01:48:48] Um have you had Marjorie on Taylor [01:48:51] Green? [01:48:52] >> I haven't. I think I should have her on. [01:48:54] >> Yeah. Yeah. She she risked her career [01:48:56] for it. I mean, these are just because [01:48:58] we're talking about the Epstein files. [01:48:59] But let me you know uh the guy at uh uh [01:49:03] Dario Amade at Anthropic. Actually, J, [01:49:06] you know, you should have Have you had [01:49:08] Jensen on from Nvidia? [01:49:10] >> I've tried to get him. [01:49:11] >> I'll talk to him. I I know him well. [01:49:13] He's in my district. I'll tell him you [01:49:15] should come on the show cuz he's uh you [01:49:17] know, he's one of the great innovators [01:49:20] of our time. uh and he's humble and uh [01:49:25] and he he just understands technology [01:49:27] and where we're going in a in an [01:49:28] incredible way. [01:49:29] >> Man, I would love to do that [01:49:31] >> and he it'd be a great conversation. [01:49:33] >> Yeah, it would be. Man, please connect [01:49:36] me. That would be amazing. And I got [01:49:39] one. [01:49:40] >> Yeah. [01:49:41] >> Can you get me AOC? [01:49:43] >> I'd love to get her. Yeah. Have you had [01:49:46] Bernie? [01:49:47] >> No. [01:49:48] >> Would you do B? [01:49:49] >> Yeah, I'll take him, too. [01:49:51] Yeah, they they they I I'll talk to both [01:49:53] of them. [01:49:53] >> Perfect. Thank you. [01:49:55] >> Who else are big progressives? Uh and [01:49:57] they're obviously two of the Have you [01:49:59] had Manny? [01:50:01] >> I haven't. [01:50:02] >> Would you talk to Mani? [01:50:03] >> I would talk to just about anybody. So, [01:50:06] yes, I would love that too. [01:50:09] >> You know, I think to the extent you have [01:50:11] people on both sides, um I think that's [01:50:15] that's great. The thing I admire about [01:50:16] you, respect about you, why I came all [01:50:19] the way down is because you take on [01:50:21] power. You're willing to speak truth to [01:50:23] power and you you were doing that on [01:50:25] Epstein, like I said before I did. And [01:50:29] you're against the grain in taking on [01:50:32] orthodoxies. And to me, like what we [01:50:34] don't want in this country is more of [01:50:35] the same. It's like people are sick of [01:50:38] the status quo. [01:50:39] >> Yep. Yep. I'm with you, Ro. Thank you. [01:50:44] >> Thank you. Appreciate it. Nice. [01:50:46] >> Thank you. [01:50:47] >> Cheers. 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