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[00:00:00] all right guys it's only taken me six
[00:00:02] years to book this next guest very
[00:00:04] difficult person to book but I made it
[00:00:06] happen George farmer welcome to Candace
[00:00:09] hi honey come it's taken why do you
[00:00:12] never come on my show I try so hard to
[00:00:15] get you on the show and it's been six
[00:00:17] entire years since you've done that you
[00:00:19] know your your skills are in front of
[00:00:21] the camera mine are behind them yeah
[00:00:23] exactly I like to let you do your thing
[00:00:24] I do my thing we do our own things you
[00:00:26] know well I have a list of questions
[00:00:28] that the internet would like to ask
[00:00:30] don't worry it's not too bad I I will
[00:00:32] start obviously people love to hear the
[00:00:34] story about how we met because it was I
[00:00:36] wouldn't even say a bit like a romcom it
[00:00:38] actually was a romcom featuring Russell
[00:00:41] Brand who does a lot of romcoms he's
[00:00:42] actually known for a lot of romcoms and
[00:00:44] so uh for those of people that don't
[00:00:46] know the story uh it was a wintry night
[00:00:50] in London I was filming a podcast with a
[00:00:54] very communist Russell Brand by the way
[00:00:56] I would like to be very clear he was
[00:00:58] very far on left y and it was his Under
[00:01:01] the Skin podcast supposed to be for like
[00:01:03] an hour it ended up being 3 hours of
[00:01:05] filming and you had a friend Paul Joseph
[00:01:08] Watson who was a mutual friend but I had
[00:01:11] never met him and he and I were supposed
[00:01:13] to meet up to finally meet off of the
[00:01:15] internet just to say hi to each other
[00:01:18] and he never told me that he had
[00:01:19] actually organized an entire dinner for
[00:01:22] me and for Charlie Kirk with about 30
[00:01:25] people so I had no idea that there was a
[00:01:28] dinner being thrown in my honor in which
[00:01:30] he kind of pwned off to you to organize
[00:01:32] a dinner mhm so I arrive 3 hours late my
[00:01:36] assistant informs me that there are a
[00:01:38] bunch of people waiting for me I get out
[00:01:40] of Russell br's house and I was very
[00:01:44] apologetic when I arrived 3 hours late
[00:01:45] cuz I like to be punctual and I sat next
[00:01:48] to you and you basically said nothing to
[00:01:51] me correct I did what I've done for the
[00:01:54] past six years I just said nothing and
[00:01:57] it worked and it worked yeah it
[00:01:58] absolutely and then you married me so I
[00:02:00] have no idea why yeah 18 days later
[00:02:02] that's right we get engaged and I think
[00:02:05] the first question that a lot of my
[00:02:07] audience members have is how did your
[00:02:11] family and friends react to that this
[00:02:13] American Girl Just breezes on in and
[00:02:16] then you're like hey I'm going to get
[00:02:18] married to this person that I barely
[00:02:19] know after 18
[00:02:21] days well most of my friends thought
[00:02:23] that I was crazy and I'm still not sure
[00:02:27] they've recovered from that opinion um
[00:02:30] but the family took it pretty well I
[00:02:32] mean my parents were
[00:02:34] pretty they again were like a bit kind
[00:02:37] of like okay this is very crazy very odd
[00:02:40] but sort of we'll go along with it and
[00:02:42] see where this goes and then they met
[00:02:45] you I think that was a big game Cher for
[00:02:47] a lot of people because when they meet
[00:02:49] you they're
[00:02:50] always as in awe as I was when I first
[00:02:53] met you
[00:02:54] um but they they were very receptive and
[00:02:58] after a while I think everyone realized
[00:02:59] that it was real you know and that was
[00:03:01] the really big hurdle to get over was
[00:03:03] that everyone initially thought is this
[00:03:05] crazy is this just you know like a fire
[00:03:09] flung romance um and then it was like
[00:03:12] okay this is actually real this is
[00:03:13] happening they're going to get married
[00:03:15] and then they kind of moved the mood
[00:03:16] sort of moved to acceptance and people
[00:03:19] got on board and then they realized how
[00:03:21] great you were and then everyone was
[00:03:22] pretty happy about it did you have any
[00:03:24] friend who unbeknown to me was like
[00:03:26] listen mate as they say in the UK listen
[00:03:29] mate you are making the a really bad
[00:03:32] decision the worst decision possibly of
[00:03:34] your life no not really I mean is a
[00:03:38] credit to them or discredit to them yeah
[00:03:40] probably uh I think it's a credit to
[00:03:42] them yeah I mean I think our best my
[00:03:45] best man Nick who you obviously know
[00:03:48] very well um he his original reaction
[00:03:51] was you're crazy um and this is never
[00:03:56] going to happen that was really when I
[00:03:58] first met you like on the first the
[00:04:00] first night that we first met people
[00:04:02] were very when I went back from that
[00:04:04] night I was like okay you know there's
[00:04:06] this girl very interesting like this
[00:04:09] could go somewhere all that kind of
[00:04:10] stuff um and his initial reaction was
[00:04:13] you're completely insane um but then by
[00:04:17] you know come January come February come
[00:04:19] March of that of the next year which was
[00:04:21] 2019 when we got married it was like
[00:04:24] yeah this is happening and this is good
[00:04:26] this is good Everyone likes you I
[00:04:28] remember for me
[00:04:30] I didn't have anybody in my personal
[00:04:32] life that was saying don't do this but I
[00:04:34] definitely had people in my professional
[00:04:35] life who were saying I will never forget
[00:04:38] this we have to call him out right we do
[00:04:40] Charlie Charlie Kirk Charles Kirk if you
[00:04:43] are watching right now but um obviously
[00:04:45] he was very young and he he both of us
[00:04:48] were just so absorbed with politics and
[00:04:51] we were traveling together everywhere
[00:04:52] Charlie really was like a little brother
[00:04:53] to me and I remember he's just like you
[00:04:56] just cannot do this you don't know this
[00:04:58] person and then
[00:05:00] one of the donors to Turning Point USA
[00:05:02] was telling him it would be very bad for
[00:05:04] my brand and that really stuck with me
[00:05:06] that one of the donors said it would be
[00:05:08] very bad for your brand for you to like
[00:05:11] not marry a black guy from the projects
[00:05:13] or something like that that's right yeah
[00:05:14] and I was sort of rebutted do you think
[00:05:17] it's being bad FBR sort of that's the
[00:05:19] real question I think like is it bad F
[00:05:21] Brown now well I I do not typically
[00:05:24] consider who I'm going to marry as a
[00:05:26] brand decision which is what I explained
[00:05:28] maybe you should
[00:05:30] but uh yeah we we we got married and we
[00:05:33] proved the naysayers wrong and it been a
[00:05:36] a very a lot of learning experience and
[00:05:38] I think another question a lot of people
[00:05:40] have is what is the most difficult part
[00:05:43] about being married to Candace
[00:05:46] Owens how long have we
[00:05:49] got
[00:05:51] um well I like to joke with you and you
[00:05:54] know that I tell you this joke so really
[00:05:55] this is just for the audience but I like
[00:05:58] to joke that there are many different
[00:06:00] women I'm married to because I'm never
[00:06:02] quite sure who I'm going to get in one
[00:06:03] day so it's like someday I'm going to
[00:06:05] get one personality and the next day
[00:06:07] it's this personality and then you've
[00:06:08] got your investigative journalist hat on
[00:06:11] and then you've got your mother's hat on
[00:06:13] and then you've got your Catholic hat on
[00:06:16] so there's a few hats that you're
[00:06:18] wearing at any one point in time so it's
[00:06:20] always fun I wouldn't say that's
[00:06:23] difficult it's really just a joy of who
[00:06:25] you are as a person you're being kind
[00:06:27] it's also been a tremendous Challenge
[00:06:29] and I think think personally to you
[00:06:31] because you're so different from the
[00:06:34] environment that you're now stuck into
[00:06:36] which is to say yeah that's true you are
[00:06:38] an Englishman you like to retreat sort
[00:06:42] of read your texts a quiet place with a
[00:06:45] cigar mhm Yep this is all correct this
[00:06:47] is all very correct and then you marry
[00:06:49] this sort of loud American you don't
[00:06:50] like taking pictures you don't like
[00:06:52] being seen or photographed and then you
[00:06:54] marry this loud American and so you've
[00:06:57] really had to ad just I think would be
[00:07:00] the correct word yeah it is the meeting
[00:07:03] of the two cultures is perfected in our
[00:07:06] marriage I would say yeah the bombastic
[00:07:08] americanism versus the retired English
[00:07:11] Persona has definitely been like fine
[00:07:15] tuned but I think that like I mean I
[00:07:19] enjoy I love America I mean it it goes
[00:07:21] without saying but I love the American
[00:07:23] Spirit and culture and you obviously
[00:07:24] embody much of that it's it's much more
[00:07:28] exciting in so many ways than England
[00:07:30] and that's not to say that I don't love
[00:07:32] England because I do love England but
[00:07:33] there are Parts about England which
[00:07:35] really are just quite like melancholic I
[00:07:40] would say and quite nostalgic and that
[00:07:41] is not who I am necessarily as a person
[00:07:44] I sort of grown tired of that by the
[00:07:46] time that we had met I was much more
[00:07:48] like needing to reinvigorate my life and
[00:07:51] to like find the next big project to
[00:07:53] move on to and kind of not saying that
[00:07:55] America was a big project but it is
[00:07:57] definitely a different culture it's one
[00:07:59] which I really enjoy you know which is
[00:08:01] funny because that those are the sort of
[00:08:02] the elements that I really loved about
[00:08:03] England that I really fell in love with
[00:08:05] like sort of the you're always attracted
[00:08:06] to the opposite yeah the it's England
[00:08:09] particularly London is a bit of a Jane
[00:08:12] Austin novel and it's one of those at
[00:08:14] least for me one of the cities that
[00:08:16] actually like lives up to the
[00:08:18] hype and so I used to us I think it's
[00:08:21] like it's faded a bit now you know under
[00:08:25] sadik Khan who's a pretty terrible man
[00:08:27] but many people say that it's changed a
[00:08:29] lot
[00:08:30] it we've had a kind of peak age but like
[00:08:32] it is beautiful it's a great City it's a
[00:08:34] nice city but it's also it's changed a
[00:08:37] lot but England as a whole like is very
[00:08:39] beautiful country I mean it's filled
[00:08:41] with
[00:08:43] beautiful you know history tradition
[00:08:46] churches
[00:08:48] culture the
[00:08:50] universities the ancient universities
[00:08:52] like Oxbridge darham you know they're
[00:08:55] they're wonderful places to visit but it
[00:08:57] is in danger of kind of slipping into
[00:09:00] that like European psychosis of just
[00:09:02] becoming a beautiful Museum you know and
[00:09:05] there's no like there's nothing
[00:09:06] invigorating about it it needs to be
[00:09:09] revitalized like you need to have
[00:09:11] something which is growing and producing
[00:09:12] goods and making Society work you know
[00:09:15] and kind of it's slipping yeah I think
[00:09:19] you've definitely made made me
[00:09:21] appreciate a lot of those aspects of
[00:09:22] American culture because there is
[00:09:23] something about England that is quite
[00:09:25] parochial and it seems like it's never
[00:09:28] changing with which is beautiful in many
[00:09:30] ways but also sometimes not because you
[00:09:32] want things to change uh not necessarily
[00:09:35] to give up Traditions not necessarily to
[00:09:37] give up Beauty and architecture and
[00:09:39] taking your time to make things which I
[00:09:41] think America could learn from but
[00:09:44] definitely I think in terms of their
[00:09:46] willingness to confront certain issues I
[00:09:48] would probably say I find the English to
[00:09:50] be incredibly polite which I think can
[00:09:54] be very frustrating I I would imagine
[00:09:56] could be very frustrating people that
[00:09:57] live there so for you coming to America
[00:10:01] moving your entire life here after being
[00:10:02] a person that's born and raised in
[00:10:04] London and has lived in this sort of
[00:10:07] quiet sleepy melancholic culture what
[00:10:09] has been the biggest change or culture
[00:10:14] shock the
[00:10:17] bacon obviously the bacon which is
[00:10:20] infinitely Superior in America I would
[00:10:22] say that um I think it's really
[00:10:24] important to be honest about your own C
[00:10:26] country and culture American bacon is
[00:10:29] just much better than English and
[00:10:30] burgers yep the burgers too um driving
[00:10:33] on the right hand side of the road is
[00:10:35] the right side of the road to drive on
[00:10:37] um definitely having now driven a lot of
[00:10:40] miles on both sides of the road but
[00:10:41] there are other things like you know
[00:10:44] people dress better in England there's
[00:10:45] just no doubt about it they dress better
[00:10:49] um what would I say is the biggest
[00:10:51] culture shock in general though I would
[00:10:52] say that um there is definitely an
[00:10:55] aspect of what I just mentioned which is
[00:10:57] kind of that willing to get up and
[00:11:00] change things and do things which is
[00:11:02] really powerful in America like that is
[00:11:05] definitely the that is one of the
[00:11:06] biggest culture shocks like and there
[00:11:08] are other people who have said the same
[00:11:09] thing there is um you know I was reading
[00:11:12] something the other day where somebody
[00:11:13] who previously lived in Germany moved to
[00:11:16] America and they basically said before I
[00:11:18] moved to America my parent my father
[00:11:21] worked in a nonprofit and my mother
[00:11:23] worked for the federal government of
[00:11:24] Germany and so no one in my life and no
[00:11:27] one that I really knew in my life had
[00:11:28] ever worked in a for-profit business
[00:11:30] like everyone had either been subsidized
[00:11:31] by other people or subsidized by the
[00:11:33] state and so when you move to America
[00:11:35] like for me that was one of the hugest
[00:11:36] things like you you just kind of move
[00:11:38] over here there's people just doing
[00:11:39] things the whole time and it is a it is
[00:11:43] a culture of activity and
[00:11:45] entrepreneurial spirit and so that for
[00:11:47] me was a huge eye opener uh when I moved
[00:11:50] here I would also say
[00:11:52] that the other big thing which has kind
[00:11:54] of faded in
[00:11:56] my acknowledgement of how revolutionary
[00:12:00] it is in some ways is just because it's
[00:12:03] now I'm now part of that culture in
[00:12:05] America so I've become less receptive to
[00:12:07] how big it is but I remember how big it
[00:12:10] is when I go back to the UK is Faith
[00:12:13] because in America faith is a default
[00:12:17] it's
[00:12:18] almost it's it's almost something which
[00:12:21] people open with in conversations
[00:12:24] particularly obviously where we live in
[00:12:26] Tennessee you will come across people
[00:12:28] the whole time saying what church do you
[00:12:30] go to and I was listening to a
[00:12:34] faith-based podcast or I was reading the
[00:12:36] Bible or something like that and in
[00:12:38] Britain I would argue it is one of the
[00:12:41] most advanced secular cultures in the
[00:12:44] world and you talk about faith in the
[00:12:47] public domain in Britain and people look
[00:12:49] at you as if you've got five heads and
[00:12:51] it's really just very demoralizing it's
[00:12:56] quite um it's quite hostile really to
[00:12:59] organized faith and um there's a
[00:13:02] difference between Continental Europe
[00:13:03] and the UK Continental Europe has
[00:13:05] predominantly been Catholic and there's
[00:13:08] much more of a kind of
[00:13:10] Hardcore Catholicism in places like
[00:13:13] France and Spain obviously Italy is
[00:13:15] completely separate because that's where
[00:13:17] the home of the church is but you know
[00:13:19] you've got these countries in Europe
[00:13:20] where there's kind of a hardcore
[00:13:22] Catholic movement and so if you say like
[00:13:23] I go to mass every day or I I you know
[00:13:26] take my faith like Ser seriously and you
[00:13:28] say it to one of those people they would
[00:13:29] be very receptive to that and there's a
[00:13:31] whole branch of society which is kind of
[00:13:33] built around preserving the faith but in
[00:13:37] Britain the Anglican Church which is the
[00:13:39] state church is
[00:13:41] very is very liberal I mean it's
[00:13:43] incredibly Progressive and as a result
[00:13:46] most people have most of British Society
[00:13:49] have no real Faith Life and so faith in
[00:13:52] the public domain is just not something
[00:13:53] talked about and so over here you come
[00:13:55] over here it's it's amazingly refreshing
[00:13:58] to
[00:13:59] be in America where people are so open
[00:14:02] not just to the idea of talking about
[00:14:03] faith but so open to learning about
[00:14:06] faith so open to talk that conversion
[00:14:09] experiences happen the whole time over
[00:14:11] here whereas they're kind of rare in the
[00:14:14] UK um but yeah that's probably one of
[00:14:16] the biggest culture shocks I'd say yeah
[00:14:18] that's interesting because it's it's a
[00:14:19] it's a bit of a paradox when you
[00:14:20] consider the fact that if you could
[00:14:22] attribute the Beauty and the
[00:14:24] timelessness and the inspiration of
[00:14:26] Europe to anything it would be
[00:14:27] Christianity and so to hear so many
[00:14:30] people say that they've abandoned those
[00:14:32] roots it it's just it's interesting how
[00:14:34] they've landed upon that but that's a
[00:14:36] perfect segue because obviously one of
[00:14:37] the biggest questions that we get about
[00:14:40] you or the most frequent questions that
[00:14:41] we get about you is about your faith not
[00:14:44] exactly a usual scenario for someone to
[00:14:48] leave the Anglican church and become a
[00:14:50] Catholic uh least of
[00:14:53] all uh when they were actually raised
[00:14:56] with a strong faith so I guess can you
[00:14:58] just speak a little bit to your faith
[00:15:00] Journey speaking about your household
[00:15:02] how you were raised whether your parents
[00:15:04] had Faith have faith and um and then
[00:15:07] let's get into your decision
[00:15:10] to we say in America study theology you
[00:15:13] would say to read theology in the UK at
[00:15:17] Oxford yeah so I mean my parents are
[00:15:20] both Evangelical Christians
[00:15:23] um and as you know um my sister's are
[00:15:29] also like they have a mixed Faith Life
[00:15:31] one of them is very devout the other one
[00:15:32] is not um I was raised in a home which
[00:15:37] is still to this day like my parents
[00:15:40] house would be very built around the
[00:15:41] Bible would be bu very built around a
[00:15:43] daily prayer life um a weekly Church
[00:15:46] attendance like that would be something
[00:15:47] that is just Bible studies like very
[00:15:49] regular involved in the church Faith was
[00:15:52] a huge part of our life growing up you
[00:15:55] quickly became aware of that in England
[00:15:57] just going back to my previous answer
[00:15:58] about how secular it is because when you
[00:16:01] say that you go to church on Sunday in
[00:16:03] the UK that is not normal and so as a
[00:16:07] result by the time that you're cognizant
[00:16:09] of kind of having that discussion with
[00:16:11] your peers at a very young age like S 8
[00:16:13] 9 10 at a boy School in in London you
[00:16:17] become very aware that faith is
[00:16:19] different um that for me was probably
[00:16:21] the starting the starting block
[00:16:24] because then what happened was I started
[00:16:28] to become more interested in why I was
[00:16:29] different like I started to become more
[00:16:31] interested in why my family had a Faith
[00:16:36] Life had a religious life um versus the
[00:16:39] rest of the kind of secular school boys
[00:16:40] who didn't and so for me that kind of
[00:16:43] started a long journey of becoming quite
[00:16:45] interested in Theology and Faith um by
[00:16:49] the time that I was um 12
[00:16:54] 134 I was very aware that Faith was a
[00:16:58] huge part of how I saw the world um so
[00:17:03] it just it's different I mean if you are
[00:17:07] brought up in a faith-filled home you
[00:17:09] will realize that
[00:17:11] Faith religion has a huge impact on the
[00:17:15] way people are shaped and that was
[00:17:18] equally as being played out in the UK
[00:17:21] during my formative years by radical
[00:17:24] Islam as it was being played out by my
[00:17:28] own Faith formation in Christianity
[00:17:31] because at the end of the Cold War of
[00:17:33] course we had this great 10-year window
[00:17:36] where historians and philosophers
[00:17:38] famously Francis fuky said this is the
[00:17:41] end of History neoliberal capitalism has
[00:17:45] won we will never see the rise of
[00:17:48] another ideology again in the same way
[00:17:50] that communism and capitalism had to
[00:17:52] face off against each other and in the
[00:17:54] early
[00:17:55] 2000s that couldn't have been proved
[00:17:57] more wrong because this was where when
[00:17:59] the rise of radical Islam happened and
[00:18:02] particularly in Europe This is felt this
[00:18:04] was felt very strongly and so for me I
[00:18:08] was witnessing things like London
[00:18:11] bombings going on in my teenage years
[00:18:15] versus my own faith formation in
[00:18:17] Christianity and this made me realize by
[00:18:20] quite a young age that Faith religion is
[00:18:23] just a huge part of people's life you
[00:18:25] know it is a huge part it is almost the
[00:18:29] greatest Force which drives it is the
[00:18:32] greatest Force which drives the world
[00:18:34] and I would also say the lack of faith
[00:18:36] as well yeah yeah a faith in nothing
[00:18:38] yeah exactly because they always replace
[00:18:39] it with a faith in something else yeah
[00:18:42] which is kind of an interesting way of
[00:18:43] looking at it yeah yeah I mean in the UK
[00:18:46] and again this is this is because of the
[00:18:49] UK's Advanced secular
[00:18:51] culture in some ways you look at you
[00:18:55] look at radical Islam in in Europe well
[00:18:58] what's
[00:18:59] what's Islam reacting to like why are so
[00:19:02] many young men in Europe being drawn to
[00:19:08] Islam the reason being is because the
[00:19:11] void it's the void nature abhor a vacuum
[00:19:16] and so you you've had the churches in
[00:19:20] Europe whether it be the Catholic church
[00:19:22] or the Protestant churches they have
[00:19:25] stripped themselves of true Theology and
[00:19:28] Cath the the Catholic church in Europe
[00:19:29] is as guilty as this of anyone else
[00:19:32] you've had a you've had this Progressive
[00:19:35] weak wishy-washy liberal gospel being
[00:19:38] preached by you know every Pastor Under
[00:19:41] the
[00:19:42] Sun and then you've got this religion
[00:19:46] which crops up which
[00:19:47] shows affirmative action absolute
[00:19:50] strength you know these are the tenants
[00:19:53] which appeal to young men particularly
[00:19:57] in Europe um and of course in the Middle
[00:20:00] East but you know predominantly in
[00:20:01] Europe a lot of the radicalism within
[00:20:04] Europe is now homegrown it's not come
[00:20:06] it's not being imported it's being
[00:20:07] homegrown and so this is the key you
[00:20:12] know driving force is the fact that
[00:20:14] theology like Christianity in Europe has
[00:20:17] been stripped of its actual truth its
[00:20:19] Eternal truth and that's not to say that
[00:20:22] okay you know there would be no
[00:20:23] conversion to Islam if Christianity was
[00:20:26] standing on its own two feet but it's
[00:20:28] definitely the case that if you look at
[00:20:29] the UK for example you've got this
[00:20:32] Progressive weak Anglican Church which
[00:20:35] is basically saying that you know
[00:20:37] leftwing politics is good and you know
[00:20:40] the predominant role of the church is to
[00:20:42] care about the environment and you know
[00:20:44] all this kind of nonsense and actually
[00:20:47] of course people don't just they don't
[00:20:49] just want a social gospel they want
[00:20:51] Eternal truth and they want real Faith
[00:20:55] they want to be told this is how you
[00:20:57] should live your life right this is the
[00:20:59] real meaning of life it's not just
[00:21:02] about you know the environment and Net
[00:21:04] Zero and whatever else that we coming
[00:21:06] out with what you're talking about is
[00:21:08] really just the absence of authority and
[00:21:09] and structure and people actually crave
[00:21:11] that in the end it reminds me of when I
[00:21:13] hosted uh Andrew Tate I want to say it
[00:21:15] was a couple years ago maybe it was last
[00:21:17] year but he similarly said I I pressed
[00:21:19] him on why he left Christianity yeah and
[00:21:22] the answer he gave which was very
[00:21:25] interesting for me to consider was he
[00:21:26] basically said Christianity became weak
[00:21:29] and Christians don't defend themselves
[00:21:30] they allow people to disrespect Jesus
[00:21:32] Christ and how are people supposed to be
[00:21:34] drawn to something that has been weak
[00:21:37] and obviously startling upsetting to
[00:21:39] hear but he is echoing I think what you
[00:21:43] are what you are speaking to which is
[00:21:45] that there there does need to be a
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[00:22:50] docomond so you're rais in an
[00:22:52] Evangelical household you are introduced
[00:22:55] to Faith your entire life yeah you drawn
[00:22:58] to it at a I would say rather it's very
[00:23:01] young 13 years old but so that's how you
[00:23:04] are and uh when did you make the
[00:23:07] decision I'm actually going to study
[00:23:09] this at Oxford like I'm going to I
[00:23:10] actually want to continue this Pursuit
[00:23:12] with
[00:23:14] theology yeah um was it right away did
[00:23:18] you consider a second subject it was I
[00:23:20] sort of thought about history at one
[00:23:22] point um but it was quite clear to me I
[00:23:26] think that theology was the answer you I
[00:23:28] was very interested in it as I said I
[00:23:30] was just very very interested in it I by
[00:23:32] the time I was 15 I had begun the
[00:23:34] conversion experience that I then went
[00:23:35] through for the next 5 years to
[00:23:37] Catholicism which culminated in me
[00:23:40] converting when I was at Oxford uh let
[00:23:42] not let's slow this part down because
[00:23:44] this is the this is pretty big obviously
[00:23:47] especially as uh like I said someone
[00:23:49] raised Anglican so you're at Oxford
[00:23:51] you're studying theology what moved you
[00:23:55] as an Evangelical to the Catholic Fai
[00:23:58] Faith which I imagine you were raised
[00:24:01] with a different understanding a
[00:24:03] different perspective evangelicals do
[00:24:05] tend to hold a lot of I would say strong
[00:24:08] feelings against the Catholic faith both
[00:24:11] here and abroad the of Babylon no
[00:24:14] um that is some some evangelicals would
[00:24:16] say that but it yes of course I mean it
[00:24:20] was I was brought up in a home where I
[00:24:23] think it was viewed with suspicion at
[00:24:26] best um although you know to give my
[00:24:30] parents credit where it was due they had
[00:24:32] always basically said that it was the
[00:24:34] personal relationship with Jesus which
[00:24:35] mattered more than anything else um and
[00:24:39] so you know my dad has frequent examples
[00:24:41] of Catholics he had spoken to who he
[00:24:44] definitely knew had personal
[00:24:46] relationships with Jesus but generally
[00:24:48] speaking the Catholic church was
[00:24:50] perceived of as nominal like nominalism
[00:24:54] where people just went they didn't
[00:24:55] really understand where they went um and
[00:24:57] filled with Superstition was the two
[00:25:00] phrases that kind of stuck out Henry VII
[00:25:02] may have had something to do with that
[00:25:04] well for
[00:25:06] the the corruption of the Catholic
[00:25:08] church in England was started with him
[00:25:10] for sure um but it the persecution
[00:25:13] actually really I should say but
[00:25:15] basically you know smells and bells um
[00:25:18] was a phrase that frequently stuck
[00:25:20] around in my head from when I was
[00:25:21] growing up because that was how the
[00:25:23] Catholic church was
[00:25:24] perceived but for me in in part there
[00:25:28] was kind of a numbers component to it
[00:25:30] and this is just something which I think
[00:25:32] is how my brain works but I didn't
[00:25:35] really understand how we could be saying
[00:25:38] that before
[00:25:40] 1517 we just had this big kind of black
[00:25:43] hole of Christianity from the time of
[00:25:45] the Apostles until Luther prop crops up
[00:25:48] and so for me that was like okay well
[00:25:49] what's going on like there must be some
[00:25:51] living faith in this 1500 year window
[00:25:55] even if you want to call it like a 1200
[00:25:57] year 1300 year window because for the
[00:25:59] first 200 years you had the kind of
[00:26:01] apostolic age so you know what's going
[00:26:03] on in that period and for me that was
[00:26:05] like a well we're not just going to
[00:26:07] write off this entire period of history
[00:26:09] and I'm also I do like to challenge
[00:26:12] ideas and Concepts and just figure out
[00:26:14] what's going on and for me I was like
[00:26:16] okay well you've got doctors of the
[00:26:19] church you've got some of the greatest
[00:26:22] Minds ever like Thomas aquinus ever in
[00:26:26] human history who occupy this period
[00:26:29] as well as countless popes who whose
[00:26:32] writings have been imbibed and kind of
[00:26:34] consumed by Western Civilization sins so
[00:26:38] what's happening with these guys like
[00:26:39] are they Christians are they not
[00:26:41] Christians and so that was really kind
[00:26:42] of where it began for me that was the
[00:26:45] early church the first 700 years was
[00:26:49] what I then went on to study but that
[00:26:51] was kind of really where I began my
[00:26:53] inquiry was like this doesn't make any
[00:26:55] sense I just don't believe that there
[00:26:57] are no Christians here
[00:26:59] um so let's figure out what's going on
[00:27:01] and so that was kind of where I started
[00:27:03] and I had this great uh priest at school
[00:27:07] who was actually an Anglican priest but
[00:27:08] he ended up becoming a Catholic as well
[00:27:11] but he was very good at rebutting many
[00:27:15] of the preconceived ideas that I had
[00:27:17] about Catholicism and so he started to
[00:27:19] really kind of challenge me on a lot of
[00:27:21] my positions um and that was kind of
[00:27:23] Where it All Began okay and was there a
[00:27:25] singular moment that you can recall in
[00:27:28] your mind when you went this is it I'm
[00:27:29] going to I'm actually going to convert
[00:27:31] to the Catholic
[00:27:32] faith H I wouldn't say not really no I
[00:27:37] mean there was a moment I remember the
[00:27:41] first time that I went into a Catholic
[00:27:44] church with
[00:27:46] the there were two I guess there were
[00:27:48] two moments probably there was once
[00:27:50] where I was in
[00:27:52] a um Dominican Monastery in Croatia
[00:27:57] where I very much felt
[00:28:00] that there was a calling you know it was
[00:28:03] in some ways it was I know this is a
[00:28:05] weird thing to say but it was kind of
[00:28:06] the Silence of the place you know I just
[00:28:09] felt I'm drawn to silence I think you
[00:28:12] know that um but I I I I like the
[00:28:17] silence I like the reflection time it's
[00:28:19] like the early church fathers who were
[00:28:21] the desert
[00:28:22] fathers have always had an appeal to me
[00:28:24] because they they wanted to lead this
[00:28:27] contemp of Life studying the Lord like
[00:28:30] in silence and so for me it was
[00:28:32] something about The Silence of this
[00:28:33] church
[00:28:35] which I just found very kind of
[00:28:37] inspiring overwhelming in some ways so
[00:28:40] that was one that was one moment I think
[00:28:42] I was about I must have been about 15 or
[00:28:44] 16 at that time and then there was
[00:28:46] another moment which was the first time
[00:28:48] that I went into a church and that was
[00:28:49] in London Westminster Cathedral and I
[00:28:51] sat at the back and I prayed a rosary
[00:28:54] for the first time in my life and I
[00:28:56] didn't really know what I was doing but
[00:28:58] I I I just wanted to make that first
[00:29:01] step and then when I did that I and I
[00:29:03] play pray before the Blessed Sacrament
[00:29:05] which was also a huge kind of for me
[00:29:07] that was something which I had really
[00:29:09] begun to appreciate like this is this
[00:29:11] this is Christ This is not just bread
[00:29:13] this is
[00:29:15] Christ and it was not an easy thing to
[00:29:17] tell your parents in fact you didn't I
[00:29:19] didn't that's right yeah most most kids
[00:29:21] are like hiding drugs from their parents
[00:29:22] you're hiding a rosary from your parents
[00:29:25] this was like I was yeah I was very
[00:29:27] nervous about about it um and I didn't
[00:29:30] really know I was confirmed and then I
[00:29:34] had and then I sort of carried on living
[00:29:36] and I it to me it was something that I
[00:29:38] didn't want them to kind of know about
[00:29:40] start off with and
[00:29:41] why because because my parents were big
[00:29:44] big time evangelicals really and but
[00:29:47] what did you think their reception would
[00:29:48] be to that that you were you kind of
[00:29:51] wanted to keep the piece so to speak
[00:29:53] yeah I did want to keep the pieace you I
[00:29:55] guess it was quite cly of me now if I
[00:29:56] think about it but it was
[00:29:58] I guess I was sort
[00:30:01] of afraid of one of those kind of
[00:30:03] medieval reactions of being like get out
[00:30:05] of my house and crying and you know I
[00:30:08] don't know I I I don't know to be honest
[00:30:10] what I thought the reaction would be at
[00:30:11] the time I probably I probably thought
[00:30:13] it was something going to be something
[00:30:14] like that kind of quite dramatic and and
[00:30:17] arguments and explosions and all that
[00:30:20] kind of stuff but um how did they find
[00:30:22] out or how did you tell them I actually
[00:30:24] don't know how they found out they they
[00:30:26] found out but they never but then they
[00:30:28] confronted me about it and we had a
[00:30:30] conversation but they already knew by
[00:30:32] that point so say clearly somebody else
[00:30:33] had told them we saw your we saw your
[00:30:36] son walking up the steps to mass yeah
[00:30:39] exactly so um I think they kind of knew
[00:30:42] that it was coming because I kept on
[00:30:44] talking about the Catholic church and I
[00:30:47] sort of started talking a lot about that
[00:30:48] and I was talking more and more and more
[00:30:50] about it and I think they kind of
[00:30:52] figured something was going on um but
[00:30:55] then when it actually happened I didn't
[00:30:56] tell them and then they confronted me
[00:30:57] about later on so now that you're in
[00:31:00] America and I think a lot of there's a
[00:31:02] lot of faith discussion happening now
[00:31:04] what would you say your perspective is
[00:31:07] because this is something that you and I
[00:31:08] discuss there there are these slight
[00:31:10] differences it's kind of difficult to
[00:31:11] speak
[00:31:12] to regarding the way that certain topics
[00:31:16] emerge in the UK and certain topics
[00:31:18] emerge in America like we are brother
[00:31:20] and sister but there are some
[00:31:21] differences you know what I mean and one
[00:31:23] of the things that I had kind of spoken
[00:31:25] to you about was even evangelicalism
[00:31:26] faith is so different like when I think
[00:31:28] of your parents who are evangelicals
[00:31:31] compared to evangelicals in America it
[00:31:34] just feels different you know it just
[00:31:35] feels very different so what would you
[00:31:37] say are some of the differences that you
[00:31:39] can speak to in I guess whether it's
[00:31:41] religion Faith or another topic um when
[00:31:44] it comes to politics across the pond as
[00:31:46] opposed to here on a variety of subjects
[00:31:49] abortion Faith yeah I
[00:31:53] mean Faith obviously is one that I've
[00:31:55] spoken about already I mean abortion is
[00:31:57] something which is an interesting one
[00:31:59] because again abortion is not really
[00:32:02] discussed in the UK it's kind of a
[00:32:04] settled topic um which over here it is
[00:32:09] very much not I mean the funny part is
[00:32:11] is that the perspective of many Brits to
[00:32:14] America and you know I'm sure there'll
[00:32:16] be people in the comments who will be
[00:32:17] like I'm British and I disagree with you
[00:32:18] on this but generally speaking the
[00:32:21] perspective of Britain is that America
[00:32:23] is kind of a bit crazy you know and and
[00:32:27] Europe as a whole Europeans tend to you
[00:32:31] know and I don't agree with this but
[00:32:32] this is often the way they tend to look
[00:32:34] down their noses quite a bit at American
[00:32:36] culture like um Europeans think of
[00:32:39] themselves as quite High futin you know
[00:32:41] and they're kind of like you know sort
[00:32:42] of Americans are crazy
[00:32:44] Americans um but of course really what
[00:32:47] that actually is a reflection of is the
[00:32:49] freedom of the intellectual mind right
[00:32:51] and actually the reason that they say
[00:32:54] it's crazy is because Americans have
[00:32:55] this great inquisitive attitude to
[00:32:57] things they don't accept standard Norms
[00:33:00] they are willing to challenge and that
[00:33:02] confrontational attitude then reflects
[00:33:04] itself in the way that they debate
[00:33:06] topics so abortion like take that as an
[00:33:09] example Americans are not willing to
[00:33:11] just those who are pro-life and even
[00:33:14] those who are pro-choice neither side
[00:33:16] are just willing to accept the
[00:33:18] standardized Norm they are they are
[00:33:20] prepared to fight for whatever they
[00:33:23] believe and that is the same on other
[00:33:25] topics such as vaccines for example
[00:33:27] which I know is something that you and I
[00:33:28] talked about when we first got married
[00:33:30] you know in Britain the vaccine schedule
[00:33:33] is just accepted by everybody and nobody
[00:33:34] really talks about it it's you know I
[00:33:36] think I I give the illustration that
[00:33:38] when we first got married you sort of
[00:33:39] asked what I thought about it and I my
[00:33:41] answer was kind of like well it's the
[00:33:43] same as sort of what I think about
[00:33:44] Tuesdays you know like it happens I mean
[00:33:46] who cares kind of thing um and over time
[00:33:48] you know obviously you and I have talked
[00:33:50] extensively about these
[00:33:52] and and that's changed my mind about a
[00:33:54] lot of things but also it's it's been
[00:33:57] very interesting to see how Americans
[00:33:59] fight for this particular topic um
[00:34:03] something that will be a tab start as a
[00:34:04] taboo will then become a mainstream
[00:34:06] discussion in America yeah and that's
[00:34:07] just thanks to Americans being willing
[00:34:09] to confront it and that is a great
[00:34:10] example because I mean I always knew I
[00:34:13] was not going to vaccinate my children I
[00:34:15] was always adverse to vaccines but um uh
[00:34:18] but you led me down the garden but I led
[00:34:20] you yes exactly I was like what do you
[00:34:21] think you were like oh yeah what do you
[00:34:23] think about this and then I was like I
[00:34:25] don't really care like what's the what's
[00:34:26] the big deal and then and I was like hey
[00:34:28] check this out hey check this out and
[00:34:31] then I think you were quite surprised by
[00:34:33] a lot of the research that I come upon
[00:34:35] but it's so interesting because that was
[00:34:37] what five six years ago and now we're
[00:34:40] looking at an America where make America
[00:34:42] healthy again is mainstreamed RFK Jr is
[00:34:44] speaking about vaccines he was really
[00:34:46] the only resource that I had when I kind
[00:34:48] of began my journey and I can host a a
[00:34:50] successful podcast talking about
[00:34:52] vaccines and so it is interesting
[00:34:54] because you are correct people do and
[00:34:58] sometimes rightfully stick down their
[00:34:59] noses to American culture CU there are
[00:35:00] some aspects that we contribute I mean
[00:35:02] we gave the world the Kardashians right
[00:35:03] we've got we've got to you know sort of
[00:35:06] there there's definitely a downside to
[00:35:08] American culture but you're correct in
[00:35:10] that the upside is that when we
[00:35:13] establish these Norms they're not
[00:35:15] necessarily established we will we're
[00:35:17] willing to then say wait a second what
[00:35:19] are we doing why are we doing this let's
[00:35:21] revisit this and we're willing to have
[00:35:23] the confrontation like in a way we're
[00:35:26] still the colonists
[00:35:29] yeah you're still willing to fight and
[00:35:30] be aggressive which is and and that's
[00:35:33] but you know the worst thing is apathy I
[00:35:35] mean that's kind of the whole point
[00:35:36] right it's like that's how Europe feels
[00:35:37] it feels apathetic and lethargic and
[00:35:39] stagnant and it's like you you come over
[00:35:42] here and people are willing to fight
[00:35:44] they're willing to stand up for what
[00:35:45] they believe in you know whether it's
[00:35:46] the second amendment through to the rate
[00:35:49] of tax through to the Department of
[00:35:52] government efficiency because they want
[00:35:53] to cut federal waste or vaccines or
[00:35:57] immigration or whatever it might be
[00:36:00] people are willing to just fight for
[00:36:01] what they believe in which is so
[00:36:03] refreshing and that is that is the
[00:36:07] greatest difference between Europe and
[00:36:10] between the UK because as I said in the
[00:36:12] UK there is this kind of it it's just a
[00:36:16] it's like a malaise it's a malaise of
[00:36:18] the mind you know it's a malaise where
[00:36:19] people go ah you know life is kind of
[00:36:22] okay and you know we're fine and we're
[00:36:25] just plotting along and all this kind of
[00:36:26] stuff and it's it's an unwillingness to
[00:36:28] better oneself or to improve the world
[00:36:32] in a better position and that's a
[00:36:34] terrifying place because then you just
[00:36:36] become subject to all kinds of tyranny
[00:36:38] yeah absolutely and I think it's
[00:36:41] probably quite challenging because I
[00:36:43] always think of the other side like I my
[00:36:45] brain sort of naturally goes okay if
[00:36:47] it's being presented to me as the
[00:36:48] mainstream acceptable position I want to
[00:36:50] see what the unacceptable position is
[00:36:52] and see where I land on various topics
[00:36:55] and unfortunately for you because I have
[00:36:58] this huge platform and I say what I
[00:36:59] think people assume that it must mean
[00:37:01] that that's exactly what you think but
[00:37:02] I'm kind of thinking out loud most of
[00:37:04] the time I'm going okay this is a new
[00:37:06] topic I'm not sure I think about it and
[00:37:09] that must have an impact on your life
[00:37:13] because people just assume that we agree
[00:37:15] on everything and we don't agree on
[00:37:17] everything we don't agree on everything
[00:37:18] so what
[00:37:20] are we yeah of course we don't of course
[00:37:23] we don't and I think that's something
[00:37:25] people are very interested in is how do
[00:37:27] we navigate that because I don't really
[00:37:30] think we think about how to navigate
[00:37:31] that but it is a big thing that my my
[00:37:34] positions kind of become the family
[00:37:37] position on things because people just
[00:37:38] assume that this must be what you
[00:37:41] think yeah I
[00:37:43] mean I think my answer to that when
[00:37:47] people have confronted me about this
[00:37:48] personally is always like well do you
[00:37:50] agree with everything your wife says or
[00:37:52] do you agree with everything your
[00:37:53] husband says I mean it would be weird if
[00:37:55] everyone thought with a hive mind
[00:37:57] because it would just become the def
[00:37:58] facto
[00:38:00] like that that's weird that that that
[00:38:02] implies that you
[00:38:04] share a an absolute belief in everything
[00:38:08] right which is very odd um and I've
[00:38:10] never met anyone who has had that so I
[00:38:14] think that what we agree
[00:38:16] on because the individual topics
[00:38:19] themselves are highly nuanced and quite
[00:38:20] difficult to always reach conclusions on
[00:38:22] but I think what we agree on is the
[00:38:23] process and I think that that actually
[00:38:26] is more important than most the end
[00:38:28] result because the process that we that
[00:38:31] you and I have is one of a dialectic and
[00:38:34] it's one of a discussion a process where
[00:38:37] we challenge each other on what we
[00:38:39] perceive to be well there is truth we
[00:38:41] know that there is truth we know that
[00:38:43] Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that
[00:38:44] is truth and he is a
[00:38:46] transcendental um truth is a
[00:38:48] transcendental but the point being is
[00:38:50] that beyond that truth how does that
[00:38:51] truth reflect itself in the world that
[00:38:53] we live in that then becomes the process
[00:38:58] the hermeneutic if you want to call it
[00:38:59] that through which we then try and
[00:39:01] establish other truth and we don't
[00:39:03] always reach the same conclusions now
[00:39:04] there are certain areas where like it
[00:39:07] would be very weird if we didn't like we
[00:39:09] both obviously agree that you know
[00:39:11] abortion is wrong and we both agree that
[00:39:14] the transgender Lobby is far too
[00:39:17] powerful and you know is is seeking
[00:39:19] malevolent aims and all these kind of
[00:39:21] things there are plenty of areas where
[00:39:22] we obviously do reach the same
[00:39:23] conclusion but there are other areas we
[00:39:25] don't and that's fine and and also it's
[00:39:29] a process which like I've changed my
[00:39:33] opinions about lots of things over the
[00:39:35] past few years I became a Catholic
[00:39:37] exactly yeah it is it is a willingness
[00:39:39] to migrate our positions and to realize
[00:39:40] that we were wrong I think that is
[00:39:42] unique but I I don't appreciate until
[00:39:45] people ask me about it how fortunate we
[00:39:48] are to be in a relationship where we
[00:39:49] don't argue about people just assume
[00:39:51] like oh my gosh you must be arguing all
[00:39:53] the time about all of these things and
[00:39:54] it's like no I think we're both too
[00:39:56] interested
[00:39:57] and in the same way that I definitively
[00:40:00] thought I had all of the traditional uh
[00:40:04] Mainline perspectives about the Catholic
[00:40:06] faith worship Mary blah blah blah but I
[00:40:08] was too interested to just shut that
[00:40:10] down when I saw the way that it was
[00:40:11] moving in your life because you became
[00:40:13] increasingly more Pious after we got
[00:40:15] married which is really interesting and
[00:40:17] we should we should speak about that a
[00:40:18] bit but you did I mean you were you are
[00:40:20] not you are not the same person that I
[00:40:22] married and I say that as a tremendous
[00:40:25] compliment even though I thought you
[00:40:26] were perfect the day that we got married
[00:40:28] I now look back and I'm like wow to see
[00:40:30] how much faith has moved you what I say
[00:40:32] to people I was so interested I'm too
[00:40:35] interested to just go okay well he's
[00:40:38] just dabbling in a heresy you know what
[00:40:41] I mean or you know he's just worshiping
[00:40:42] Mary and I think Society has grown so
[00:40:46] accustomed to being dismissive whether
[00:40:48] you want to say well this person are
[00:40:50] conservative therefore they're racist
[00:40:52] you know this person doesn't want to
[00:40:53] vote for commo therefore they're a
[00:40:54] sexist you know this person has this
[00:40:56] perspective therefore they anti-semitic
[00:40:58] whatever the name is of transphobe of
[00:41:01] the day I'm too curious I'm too curious
[00:41:04] when I see something people moving in a
[00:41:06] certain direction I want I want to
[00:41:07] follow them even if I find out that I
[00:41:08] don't agree I want to see where they're
[00:41:11] going and I think that is kind of what
[00:41:13] makes us such a unique partnership is
[00:41:15] that we're genuinely
[00:41:17] curious going back to that movement in
[00:41:20] your life so you were a Catholic when we
[00:41:23] got married you were not an active
[00:41:25] Catholic when we got married and now I
[00:41:28] would say you are an overactive Catholic
[00:41:30] you are about as Catholic as it comes uh
[00:41:33] you attend the mass I'm multiple times a
[00:41:37] week uh morning Mass you go to
[00:41:41] confession every
[00:41:42] week what was it in your life that
[00:41:46] pulled you in that direction cuz I don't
[00:41:47] even I still don't really comprehend
[00:41:50] it you had it was because you had to
[00:41:52] pray for me
[00:41:54] yeah I was just overwhelmed with the
[00:41:57] inbound traffic that we had I was just
[00:41:59] like Lord please help me deal with this
[00:42:02] crazy woman that I married to um no I'm
[00:42:05] joking of course it was look I I CS
[00:42:10] Lewis writes that how absurd it is to
[00:42:12] think that the lost sheep can find the
[00:42:14] shepherd you know and um the shepherd
[00:42:17] has to come and find the lost sheep
[00:42:19] that's not to say that I was fully lost
[00:42:21] I think I had probably emerged from my
[00:42:23] lost years I did have lost years in my
[00:42:25] 20s there was no doubt about it where I
[00:42:28] had no faith life so to speak I mean I
[00:42:30] maintained a a comatosed heartbeat
[00:42:35] relationship with with Christ um in as
[00:42:38] much as I infrequently attended church I
[00:42:41] prayed infrequently I talked about God I
[00:42:43] would have said that I was a Christian
[00:42:45] but I was like very weak in my faith um
[00:42:49] and you know really for
[00:42:53] me I think there were there was I mean
[00:42:55] there were so many things which kind of
[00:42:57] pulled me in that direction when we got
[00:42:59] married and I started I mean I think
[00:43:01] that the whole process of how we met and
[00:43:03] how we got married and all that kind of
[00:43:05] stuff was it was a miracle like I I I
[00:43:09] said that to you many times in those
[00:43:12] first six months I was like this is a
[00:43:14] miracle there is just a there is too
[00:43:18] much
[00:43:20] providential alignment here for me to
[00:43:23] unpack this all I was kind of
[00:43:24] overwhelmed with it at the time it was
[00:43:27] something which I just thought
[00:43:29] was beyond my comprehension like I I
[00:43:33] could there were so many things I mean
[00:43:34] even now when I think about it I mean
[00:43:36] now the kind of mystery has faded so the
[00:43:38] surprise is less than it was at the time
[00:43:40] but there were things like going back
[00:43:42] into decades ago where I could suddenly
[00:43:46] see having met you that this had been
[00:43:49] the steps that God had put me on to get
[00:43:53] to this place in my life you know even
[00:43:55] the fact that like you know I mean I had
[00:43:58] a US Visa and like all this kind I mean
[00:44:00] it was just it was it was crazy you know
[00:44:03] at the time like what what I unpacked in
[00:44:06] that in that uh in those six months and
[00:44:08] just sort of how I thought about the
[00:44:10] world after that um that was definitely
[00:44:14] something where I felt the presence of
[00:44:15] God um and then there
[00:44:18] was a recognition I guess
[00:44:22] that the political debates we were
[00:44:25] in I mean there were many things but the
[00:44:28] political debates we were in required
[00:44:30] truth you know and that is something
[00:44:34] where I still to this
[00:44:38] day I I think that if you're a
[00:44:41] conservative and or you call yourself a
[00:44:43] conservative and that's even that word
[00:44:46] is kind of just a bit meaningless in
[00:44:49] some ways
[00:44:51] but if you want to call yourself a
[00:44:53] conservative on the American right you
[00:44:56] have to say well what are we seeking to
[00:44:57] conserve and you have to say what is
[00:45:00] fundamentally at the heart of everything
[00:45:02] that we believe in America or even in
[00:45:05] the West in the world what is what is
[00:45:08] the truth that we are aiming for and
[00:45:11] particularly when you get to these kind
[00:45:12] of radical fringes of politics where
[00:45:16] you're talking
[00:45:18] about you know the ability of men and
[00:45:20] women to change their genders or even
[00:45:23] the LGBT Lobby or whatever it might be
[00:45:26] like whatever ever it is whatever these
[00:45:27] topics are you start to realize that
[00:45:31] truth itself is breaking down into like
[00:45:35] nothing it's just being destroyed truth
[00:45:37] is being slowly chipped away out until
[00:45:38] the kernel of Truth is so small that
[00:45:41] it's so difficult for people to find in
[00:45:43] those debates so you have to start okay
[00:45:46] well where's the starting point like
[00:45:49] what what do we go back to what is the
[00:45:51] very heartbeat of truth and the
[00:45:54] heartbeat of Truth has to be absolute it
[00:45:56] has to be an objective reality and the
[00:45:59] objective reality for truth is Christ
[00:46:03] and for me I started realizing that the
[00:46:06] more and more I more I talked
[00:46:08] about politics or the more we were
[00:46:11] involved in politics or the more I saw
[00:46:13] witnessed Politics the more I realized
[00:46:16] that truth was absence like truth was
[00:46:18] absent from those debates and so for me
[00:46:21] I was like okay well we I need to
[00:46:22] discover what truth is again and I need
[00:46:24] to reform a relation ship with that
[00:46:28] 15-year-old boy inside of me who was
[00:46:31] really fascinated by Theology and for me
[00:46:34] that was kind of I was like okay this is
[00:46:36] the big missing part of my life like
[00:46:38] this is where I I don't really have a
[00:46:40] relationship with God like I used to
[00:46:42] when I was a teenager and in my very
[00:46:44] early 20s so that was what drew me back
[00:46:47] I was like I need to discover what truth
[00:46:49] is again and then that was the kind of
[00:46:51] the first stepping stone and then it
[00:46:53] became very apparent to me that
[00:46:55] re-engagement with my faith was
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[00:47:49] gold.com how has fatherhood played a
[00:47:52] role in that if fatherhood has played a
[00:47:54] role in that becoming a father is a very
[00:47:57] big sea change I think for all men is it
[00:48:00] I don't know maybe some men are like no
[00:48:02] actually no it is I mean yeah being a
[00:48:05] dad is is huge I mean you want your you
[00:48:07] want the best for your children you know
[00:48:09] and so I want you know I love my
[00:48:11] children I mean there there are so many
[00:48:13] ways that fatherhood changes you I mean
[00:48:15] being being a father both motivates you
[00:48:18] to be the best dad you can be it it
[00:48:20] wants you it motivates you to stay alive
[00:48:24] which is a funny thing to say you become
[00:48:25] very aware I became very aware within
[00:48:27] moments within months of our first child
[00:48:31] being born of my IM mortality I suddenly
[00:48:33] became very aware of like I'm going to
[00:48:35] die um and in a nonmorbid way I think
[00:48:40] about death a lot and that is because I
[00:48:44] think our world has lost the perception
[00:48:47] of death we do everything to try and
[00:48:50] avoid talking about death we we don't
[00:48:53] want to cover the topic and death is
[00:48:55] perceived of as this great like we
[00:48:58] mustn't talk about death like we must
[00:49:00] avoid death and even everything we do is
[00:49:02] kind of like in the constant culture of
[00:49:05] trying to extend life like plastic
[00:49:07] surgery it's trying to make yourself
[00:49:09] look beautiful because you are denying
[00:49:11] the aging process you know and even now
[00:49:15] when we want when we when we're trying
[00:49:17] to when we are inevitably going to die
[00:49:19] we must be in control of that process
[00:49:21] through euth an Asia like the UK has
[00:49:23] just vered through this assisted dying
[00:49:25] bill which is a complete
[00:49:27] Abomination um but this is how we are
[00:49:31] now perceiving death we like have to
[00:49:32] control this process and so natural
[00:49:35] death is spe is is totally pushed to one
[00:49:39] side but when I became a father I
[00:49:40] suddenly realized that I was like okay
[00:49:42] I'm going to die and that's just going
[00:49:45] to happen and I need to sort out my
[00:49:48] relationship with God and I need to be
[00:49:50] aligned with him and not just be aligned
[00:49:52] with him but I need to
[00:49:54] promote Christ in this world and I need
[00:49:57] to promote Christ to my children and I
[00:49:58] want them to be raised in the faith so I
[00:50:00] want them to have the best relationship
[00:50:02] with God because that's the Ultimate
[00:50:04] gift that I can give them more so than
[00:50:05] money more so than anything else like
[00:50:09] you know stability is good of course it
[00:50:11] should be sought but there are plenty of
[00:50:12] children who don't grow up in stable
[00:50:14] homes who I would still wish the same
[00:50:17] for them that they know the truth of
[00:50:19] Jesus Christ right I would think when
[00:50:21] you have an active at least it's been
[00:50:23] the case for me like when you have an
[00:50:24] active spiritual life I now kind of
[00:50:26] observe my past political perspectives
[00:50:29] as quite adolescent in a way yeah like I
[00:50:31] look at me going around college campuses
[00:50:33] and speaking about these issues having
[00:50:36] removed Christ from the conversation or
[00:50:38] if I'm you know saying Christ on stage
[00:50:40] it's not it's not with the not with the
[00:50:45] the fullness of truth I guess is the
[00:50:46] best way to say it it's more kind of
[00:50:48] like a political talking point and truly
[00:50:50] believing at that time that I had landed
[00:50:52] on truth and I'm like the lowercase
[00:50:54] truth of well the left the left left
[00:50:57] hates family you know oh the left hates
[00:51:00] um social cohesion oh the left loves you
[00:51:02] know racism because of this or that oh
[00:51:04] the left feminism this and then when you
[00:51:07] really arrive at the full picture you're
[00:51:08] going this is not a war against Trump
[00:51:10] this is not a war against conservatives
[00:51:11] it's always been a war against Christ
[00:51:14] nothing has changed and to come to that
[00:51:18] understanding it's been so refreshing
[00:51:20] and calming in a way where I don't crave
[00:51:24] politics I talk about this with you
[00:51:26] often I don't crave politics in the way
[00:51:28] that I used to Crave it and I think for
[00:51:30] a lot of people politics does become a
[00:51:33] drug they're addicted to the high life
[00:51:35] of politics like being in the room
[00:51:37] meeting people and then you get into
[00:51:38] these rooms and people are drunks and
[00:51:40] addicts and people are sleeping with
[00:51:42] each other and that's such a let down
[00:51:44] it's such a let down because you want to
[00:51:45] believe that you're really fighting for
[00:51:49] a sense of morality but it's only a let
[00:51:51] down I think if you don't have a
[00:51:54] spiritual life and you don't have
[00:51:57] perspective uh a clarifying perspective
[00:51:59] that you know in the end Christ wins I
[00:52:02] think that's that's really been
[00:52:03] something that has changed in me since
[00:52:06] you've sort of you know changed my world
[00:52:09] in terms of spiritualism I mean I
[00:52:12] think I mean I think I I would just to
[00:52:16] build on that Christ has won you know
[00:52:21] it's not that he wins in he's already
[00:52:22] won and and and what that means is is
[00:52:27] but the Bible is very clear about this
[00:52:28] and actually the church has taught the
[00:52:29] same thing for ages which is that this
[00:52:33] world the devil is called the prince of
[00:52:35] this world it's his domain right in many
[00:52:37] ways the world is his domain and so in
[00:52:41] many ways the armies of Christ are
[00:52:44] actually we are the aliens here and the
[00:52:46] Bible is kind of very clear about this
[00:52:48] we are the aliens in this world because
[00:52:50] we are the people who are living a
[00:52:52] totally different life to the majority
[00:52:54] of the world like Christianity has
[00:52:55] always been religious on the outside yes
[00:52:58] it became it had its great kind of
[00:53:00] medieval Heyday where it became the
[00:53:03] dominant uh you know temporal Force if
[00:53:06] you want to call it that but of course
[00:53:08] what happened during that time like the
[00:53:09] church was infected with secularism as
[00:53:11] well like you know there was much there
[00:53:13] was corruption in it and there was you
[00:53:15] know the seeking of power and you know
[00:53:17] there were many there were many problems
[00:53:19] with it but you know really Christians
[00:53:21] live as Outsiders in this world like our
[00:53:23] home is not this world our home is the
[00:53:24] world to come and so you know when you
[00:53:28] look at it from that perspective you
[00:53:29] just say okay well what's really going
[00:53:31] on like the devil is fighting with
[00:53:34] everything that he has to destroy all
[00:53:37] good things in this world that is what
[00:53:40] he is seeking to do at all times and he
[00:53:42] never takes a day off you know it's like
[00:53:46] you never get a day off you are always
[00:53:49] vulnerable you know there's always this
[00:53:51] constant awareness like if I've learned
[00:53:54] one thing of being a Christian it's that
[00:53:58] prayer Is Like Oxygen it is as needed on
[00:54:02] a daily basis as it is
[00:54:04] needed you know Like Oxygen or food you
[00:54:07] know you need it every day because the
[00:54:10] devil certainly doesn't care whether
[00:54:12] it's Tuesday and you're having the best
[00:54:14] day of your life or whether it's you
[00:54:17] know the day your father dies it doesn't
[00:54:20] make a difference it it's the same
[00:54:22] battle he will be there always seeking
[00:54:25] to destroy you and so that for me is
[00:54:27] just something where I'm like politics
[00:54:30] forget it I mean like politics is it is
[00:54:32] tertiary I mean Andrew
[00:54:35] Breitbart famously said that you know
[00:54:38] politics is Downstream of culture and I
[00:54:39] would add that culture is Downstream of
[00:54:41] Faith because at the heart
[00:54:44] of whether it's conflict global conflict
[00:54:48] societal
[00:54:49] change the rise and fall of
[00:54:52] ideologies and this Segways back into
[00:54:55] what we talked about at the beginning
[00:54:57] the the understanding of Faith the
[00:54:58] understanding of theology like why was I
[00:55:00] interested in this because at the heart
[00:55:02] of everything is Faith and it's
[00:55:04] something which is like very
[00:55:05] misunderstood because the whole of our
[00:55:08] the whole of our economic system is
[00:55:10] built off rationality it's built off
[00:55:12] humans making rational choices at all
[00:55:13] times right that's kind of our entire
[00:55:15] economic model is based off rational
[00:55:17] choices but humans make what would be
[00:55:20] perceived of in economic terms as
[00:55:22] irrational choices the whole time like
[00:55:26] it it's not good necessarily You could
[00:55:29] argue that it was but there's a there's
[00:55:30] a strong economic argument to say it's
[00:55:32] not good to give money away right why
[00:55:34] would you do that you've earned all this
[00:55:36] value you should acre it to yourself but
[00:55:39] Christianity
[00:55:40] teaches
[00:55:42] and proposes that you should do that
[00:55:45] right and actually that you should turn
[00:55:47] outwards and not just look
[00:55:49] inwards um and actually of course when
[00:55:52] you start doing that the rewards do flow
[00:55:54] because then you will become blessed
[00:55:56] beyond your beyond measure you know it's
[00:55:58] like the you give things away the Lord
[00:55:59] gives more to you second to the Bible
[00:56:02] what is your favorite
[00:56:04] book that's a hard one it is all right
[00:56:07] give me three blackout by Candace s that
[00:56:10] was the right answer my love we
[00:56:13] go well done you thank you I was being
[00:56:16] tested um you know that's I know one of
[00:56:20] them well I guess this if I was to say
[00:56:22] no one of them one that has had served
[00:56:24] the most impact in your life I would
[00:56:28] say will you always tell me I I hope
[00:56:31] okay I was going to say un R okay yeah
[00:56:33] so but it's funny because that
[00:56:36] book that book was very transformative
[00:56:40] in my early 20s um and when I was a
[00:56:43] young man it was huge to me you know
[00:56:45] when I read out I Shrugged I was I was
[00:56:48] so overwhelmed by the diagnosis that it
[00:56:52] provided on our society and but a ran
[00:56:56] and you know she is a very complicated
[00:56:58] character she's not somebody that now I
[00:57:00] would say I am like I'd want to be
[00:57:04] affiliated with because she's vehemently
[00:57:06] anti-faith she's vly anti- the church
[00:57:09] she perceives of the church as
[00:57:11] Superstition but are you able to
[00:57:13] separate the author from their work well
[00:57:16] the work itself is a very deep question
[00:57:18] by the way philosophically speaking
[00:57:19] people ask us about movies can you
[00:57:20] separate the artist from their work yeah
[00:57:23] the work itself there are there
[00:57:26] there are shadows within the work itself
[00:57:30] which I would still want to say are
[00:57:32] relevant like from an economic
[00:57:35] perspective I think that out the shrug
[00:57:37] provides a very apt synopsis of much of
[00:57:41] what the Western world is going through
[00:57:42] it is going through a period of like
[00:57:45] internal cannibalization right we are
[00:57:47] cannibalizing ourselves from the inside
[00:57:49] we don't we are not faced currently in
[00:57:51] America or the West okay you could say
[00:57:53] like we have you know proxy global
[00:57:56] conflicts going on but part those to one
[00:57:57] side we don't suffer currently a
[00:58:01] external threat militarily or
[00:58:03] ideologically which is going to crush us
[00:58:05] right um it's not like communism and of
[00:58:10] course what an ran was writing and I've
[00:58:11] read and I've read pretty much every
[00:58:13] book every an ran wrote but you know she
[00:58:17] she wrote extensively about communism
[00:58:19] and that was the threat at the time and
[00:58:21] so economically I agree with a lot of
[00:58:23] her analysis like she is right on the
[00:58:25] money econom i al there's no doubt about
[00:58:27] it but the sad part about what she does
[00:58:30] is that she also throws into the same
[00:58:32] diagnosis religion and so if you read
[00:58:35] out a Shrugged you will even though she
[00:58:38] doesn't and I'm sure there'll be someone
[00:58:40] who'll fact check me on this and say
[00:58:41] well on page 572 she does but you know
[00:58:44] she I don't recall within the book she
[00:58:47] doesn't actually name the church or name
[00:58:51] Religion sheain she calls it
[00:58:53] Superstition right because her princip
[00:58:56] her principal motivation is the eye
[00:58:59] right and that is she's talking about
[00:59:00] the ey and how I should come first she
[00:59:03] basically promotes the theory of selfish
[00:59:07] like selfish motivation and and and from
[00:59:10] an economic perspective the West has
[00:59:13] fallen so far from that where we're
[00:59:15] leeching from people we take from people
[00:59:17] who create things we destroy wealth we
[00:59:19] are intent on making misery right our
[00:59:22] governments are determined on taxing and
[00:59:24] suppressing the creation of wealth um
[00:59:28] and from that perspective I would agree
[00:59:30] with her but I would not say that like I
[00:59:34] would not align myself with I would
[00:59:35] definitely not at the age of 34 align
[00:59:37] myself now with where I believed that I
[00:59:41] was when I was like 22 right I read the
[00:59:43] book in three weeks it was so I stand
[00:59:45] corrected then what would you say now is
[00:59:48] your maybe not favorite book most
[00:59:50] transformative book if you were saying
[00:59:51] these are the books that you should
[00:59:52] definitely read put on your list our
[00:59:54] books are so different by the way it's
[00:59:56] so funny if we
[00:59:57] both Supply our list they'd be like what
[01:00:00] is going on in this household gosh
[01:00:02] that's a really good question
[01:00:04] [Music]
[01:00:07] um o I would probably have to think
[01:00:10] about that I mean well you do read I do
[01:00:14] in the morning you read three books and
[01:00:17] obviously this is again attributing to
[01:00:19] your spiritual life but obviously the
[01:00:21] Bible you read quotations from CS Lewis
[01:00:24] maybe there's a CS Lewis book in there
[01:00:26] that you might recommend just giving you
[01:00:27] ideas here and then you read which pope
[01:00:30] Pas no Pope Benedict the 16th Benedict
[01:00:33] the 16th I read a daily reader from
[01:00:34] those two yeah those two guys um those
[01:00:37] two guys the pub and C um I do read a
[01:00:40] daily reader from those from those two
[01:00:42] because they are Treasures of wisdom um
[01:00:47] now do they have a specific book like CS
[01:00:49] Lis M Christianity obviously which has
[01:00:53] seemed to undergo quite a popular
[01:00:55] resurgence um Russell Brand for example
[01:00:58] our cupid in our story um he he um he
[01:01:04] did a book club on it recently uh which
[01:01:06] I thought was you know very really love
[01:01:09] the idea of Russell Brand is
[01:01:12] Cupid um but then on top of that I would
[01:01:16] say like there are really interesting
[01:01:18] books that I've read in um the last few
[01:01:22] years which I I find to be very
[01:01:24] interesting on like totally different
[01:01:26] topics I mean I would say the rise and
[01:01:28] Triumph of the modern self which um was
[01:01:31] written by a professor called Carl
[01:01:33] Truman I think which I read last year
[01:01:36] was a really really interesting analysis
[01:01:40] on um how we have ended up it's
[01:01:43] basically this it's basically the
[01:01:46] politics of sexuality and it's re a
[01:01:49] fascinating book in it was a fascinating
[01:01:51] book just to because to the untrained
[01:01:54] mind you get here and you get to 2024
[01:01:56] and you're like what on Earth went wrong
[01:02:00] like where did we go wrong what has
[01:02:02] happened like how have we ended up just
[01:02:04] talking about this and what he does a
[01:02:06] really amazing job of and it probably
[01:02:08] was the most it was just the most
[01:02:10] interesting book that I've read in the
[01:02:11] last five years probably but it was well
[01:02:13] maybe not the last five years but
[01:02:14] definitely last couple of years it's
[01:02:16] it's it it weaves the thread of how we
[01:02:21] started talking about you know the
[01:02:24] Romantic literature poet
[01:02:26] and how we ended up at transgender and
[01:02:28] it's basically saying that you know you
[01:02:30] have this kind of like fine thread which
[01:02:33] has been woven all the way through
[01:02:36] countless like generations and centuries
[01:02:39] where the politics of sexuality have
[01:02:41] become the all it is like now that is
[01:02:45] the biggest thing for people and for
[01:02:47] them sexuality is the number one it it
[01:02:50] it is the new God right and so how do we
[01:02:52] end up in this place he does a great he
[01:02:54] does a great job in explaining it I
[01:02:57] would also say things
[01:02:59] like other interest like another great
[01:03:01] book which I read in the last five years
[01:03:03] was the Great American gamble which is a
[01:03:06] weirdly kind of academic book
[01:03:09] about America's nuclear policy in the
[01:03:13] last 70 years and when I say nuclear I
[01:03:17] mean like nuclear weapons and it
[01:03:20] really demonstrated to
[01:03:22] me the and in some ways this goes back
[01:03:25] to saying the dangers
[01:03:28] of um like conformist thinking because
[01:03:33] really what it it shows you is that
[01:03:35] America put itself at a position of
[01:03:38] unbelievable weakness by doing what it
[01:03:41] did in the which was which was kind of
[01:03:43] saying we will have this great policy of
[01:03:46] mutually assured destruction and
[01:03:48] mutually assured destruction was a
[01:03:50] complete nonsense and actually that it
[01:03:53] just changed the way I thought about
[01:03:56] geopolitics it changed the way I thought
[01:03:57] about defense it changed the way I think
[01:03:59] about America's role in the world and so
[01:04:03] that was another fascinating book like
[01:04:05] you know there are so many I mean you
[01:04:07] know you can name so many thiddies is a
[01:04:09] great read too if you into ancient
[01:04:11] history I mean there are so many great
[01:04:12] books which I've read in the last few
[01:04:14] years which I would really recommend but
[01:04:15] those are just two which stand out yeah
[01:04:17] I would say International liberalism
[01:04:19] expansion that's been a bit of a mess
[01:04:21] geopolitically speaking I don't I don't
[01:04:23] understand why we we think it's our job
[01:04:24] to spread democracy and we're never
[01:04:26] actually spreading democracy I think
[01:04:27] when we say spread democracy it's like
[01:04:28] code word for dropping bombs but I won't
[01:04:30] get too political and ask you aggressive
[01:04:32] questions um go onit wa let me ask you
[01:04:35] what are the hot burning topics Putin or
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[01:05:40] obviously we're coming to the end of
[01:05:41] this year and it's been a year for the
[01:05:44] books for me and you I would say we have
[01:05:46] definitely uh had a peaceful quiet yeah
[01:05:50] nothing nothing happened no changes
[01:05:53] everything's been copasetic very nice
[01:05:55] yeah yeah
[01:05:57] but um I mean I guess people would just
[01:06:00] want to know what that was like what
[01:06:03] this year has been like as somebody who
[01:06:06] actually had a front row seat to
[01:06:07] everything I you know the public always
[01:06:09] thinks they have a front row seat to
[01:06:10] everything it's always either 10 times
[01:06:12] better or worse behind the scenes go
[01:06:14] with worse um and obviously it was a a
[01:06:18] tremendous shock our life shifted you
[01:06:21] were just the most brilliant person in
[01:06:22] the entire world having having to figure
[01:06:24] out an entire pod business in the span
[01:06:27] of what was it 6 weeks where we're back
[01:06:28] up and running and advertisement bus
[01:06:31] business I always say like I'm just the
[01:06:33] person who talks on the internet I it's
[01:06:35] like I talk to my friends on the phone
[01:06:36] and then you have to go figure out
[01:06:38] everything else and so just sitting from
[01:06:40] your seat throughout that
[01:06:43] entire process change whatever it is you
[01:06:45] want to call it uh what what did you
[01:06:48] think about it what was that like going
[01:06:49] through it well I correct you there
[01:06:52] you're the most amazing person no you
[01:06:54] you are we can do this we could do this
[01:06:56] I have I am stubborn yes I know you are
[01:06:59] um no but it's a team effort it's a team
[01:07:02] effort that's what that's what it always
[01:07:03] is it's always a team effort but but um
[01:07:07] yeah look it's been it was it was the
[01:07:08] most challenging year we've ever had for
[01:07:10] sure in so many ways and we both know
[01:07:12] that
[01:07:15] um I would
[01:07:18] say that there was a a big component to
[01:07:23] just saying to the Lord like like help
[01:07:27] you know help just kind of help how do
[01:07:30] we do this like how do we do everything
[01:07:32] you know whether it be from you know
[01:07:35] lawsuits to the new business
[01:07:39] to um you know raising
[01:07:42] children uh son starting school like you
[01:07:46] know setting up a studio I mean just
[01:07:47] everything that we've done this year and
[01:07:49] there's been a lot and I haven't even
[01:07:50] mentioned half the things in that you
[01:07:52] know little synopsis there but it's been
[01:07:54] really tough
[01:07:57] and I would say that it's been it's been
[01:07:59] good to do it because you know fire does
[01:08:03] strengthen like it does strengthen and I
[01:08:06] would think I think that our marriage
[01:08:08] has definitely got stronger because of
[01:08:10] it you know like I think I said this
[01:08:12] when we were at the Catholic identity
[01:08:14] conference but like you know your our
[01:08:16] Tuesdays are not kind of average
[01:08:18] Tuesdays like they're kind of you know
[01:08:21] it's not like waffles or cereal it's
[01:08:24] kind of like like what are they going to
[01:08:27] publish okay we better like do something
[01:08:29] about this you know it's like it's a
[01:08:31] it's just different and and that also
[01:08:34] means that we do just have this kind of
[01:08:36] constant need to be brutally honest with
[01:08:40] each other which I I really
[01:08:43] enjoy and I think that actually in some
[01:08:46] ways I know that you've said this like
[01:08:48] you will great grateful for being fired
[01:08:51] um you know you said in your
[01:08:52] Thanksgiving message that you are
[01:08:53] thankful for being fired and I think
[01:08:55] like what that did is it for me like the
[01:08:58] year of change has been in some ways
[01:09:00] like ripping
[01:09:02] off it's it's exposed like the rawness
[01:09:06] you know I feel like this year has been
[01:09:07] very raw it's been like very brutal to
[01:09:13] just be like okay we're going to get
[01:09:14] this done and we're going to get this
[01:09:16] done and we got to get this done and we
[01:09:17] just got to do it and we just got to
[01:09:18] buckle up and it's going to be painful
[01:09:20] and it's going to be grim and we just
[01:09:21] got to get it done and we've got three
[01:09:23] kids and you know it's like how where's
[01:09:27] the money and like d it's just it's been
[01:09:29] a lot but in some ways that's it's built
[01:09:34] a much better relationship that we now
[01:09:36] have not that our relationship before
[01:09:38] was I would say our relationship before
[01:09:39] was was like as good as it gets but now
[01:09:41] it's kind of like you know really battle
[01:09:44] tested yeah battle tested yeah and then
[01:09:47] just it's been tough but yeah and I it's
[01:09:50] one of the things that really surprised
[01:09:52] me is how well we handled it you know
[01:09:55] I I I I'm even surprised by it I'm
[01:09:58] surprised
[01:09:59] by how calm you dealt with everything
[01:10:02] how you just sort of figured it all out
[01:10:05] and how it didn't while it was this
[01:10:08] massive earthquake in our lives
[01:10:09] everywhere around us most people can
[01:10:11] just leave their job uh doesn't become a
[01:10:14] trending a global story you know what I
[01:10:16] mean and it was every person in the
[01:10:18] entire world having an opinion about you
[01:10:20] leaving your job is not a normal thing
[01:10:22] to go through and yet I would say our
[01:10:24] home was was really the eye of the storm
[01:10:26] because there is something about
[01:10:28] adrenaline that does Focus you I think
[01:10:30] that was that really is the story of
[01:10:32] this year is it was the focus that
[01:10:36] adrenaline can breed where you're when
[01:10:38] you have to survive when your back is
[01:10:40] against the wall you just figure it out
[01:10:41] because you have no other option and I
[01:10:44] would have said we had an amazing
[01:10:46] marriage before but we had not been
[01:10:48] battle tested and I feel so confident
[01:10:50] now in a way that I that's why I say it
[01:10:53] really was a blessing to have been given
[01:10:54] this challenge you know God is even
[01:10:56] blessing you in times of tremendous
[01:10:58] challenge to have come out the other
[01:11:00] side so unscathed and just stronger in
[01:11:02] our partnership and really I attribute
[01:11:04] the success of the show and everything
[01:11:05] that's happened to you everybody knows
[01:11:07] that who works here I'm just a cute face
[01:11:10] on the internet um uh speaking about
[01:11:13] things that I'm interested in taking
[01:11:14] people through my 26 personalities that
[01:11:16] you have to deal with every single day
[01:11:18] uh but it has been amazing and so I
[01:11:21] first and foremost just want to thank
[01:11:22] you for this year also want I know you
[01:11:25] hate compliments very English of him you
[01:11:27] cannot thank him you cannot tell him he
[01:11:29] looks nice you can't tell him how
[01:11:30] amazing he is but he was the rock
[01:11:33] through this year uh so much more so
[01:11:35] than me and just he just gave me the
[01:11:37] confidence to just go ahead and be
[01:11:38] myself essentially and I think that's
[01:11:40] the biggest thing you can ask for in a
[01:11:41] marriage I'm I'm just going to keep
[01:11:43] complimenting you until you melt into
[01:11:44] the chair as an Englishman
[01:11:47] does okay to close this some fun some on
[01:11:50] a topic that is very fun okay online
[01:11:52] conspiracies they are my favorite okay
[01:11:54] they're amazing people come up with such
[01:11:56] amazing things do you know that by the
[01:11:57] way chat gbt once gave somebody the
[01:12:01] answer and then they tagged me as they
[01:12:02] were
[01:12:03] like what ancestry is George and it said
[01:12:05] George farmer was a Jew like that your
[01:12:08] family was Jewish that your father's
[01:12:09] father was Jewish which is crazy and
[01:12:11] then I but the internet is a strange
[01:12:13] place if it's on the internet then
[01:12:14] suddenly people believe it it's true so
[01:12:16] I've got some favorite conspiracies okay
[01:12:19] one that your father is a Roth's child
[01:12:21] that I'm a Roth's child it's amazing or
[01:12:22] I'm married into the Roth child family
[01:12:24] um that's a good one roll with that I
[01:12:27] just would like the money if that is
[01:12:28] true I just wanted I want the money
[01:12:30] Uncle Jacob R
[01:12:32] child where did they go with this stuff
[01:12:34] somebody creates a chart and the next
[01:12:35] thing you know they're like okay somehow
[01:12:38] Candace is married into the Ross child
[01:12:39] family I I honestly guys if that was
[01:12:42] true you would be the first to know uh
[01:12:44] the second one now this is a new
[01:12:46] favorite one that we deal with that my
[01:12:48] in-laws hate me like Christmas Christmas
[01:12:52] must be very tricky around the T people
[01:12:56] yeah I know that's that's a big one I
[01:12:57] mean they're all great are great keep
[01:12:59] I'm like actually our family we just get
[01:13:02] along really well and that has been
[01:13:03] something that has been unique and also
[01:13:05] been a blessing is how different I mean
[01:13:09] especially I think when I first met your
[01:13:10] parents I was freaking out because we
[01:13:12] come from such different walks of life
[01:13:14] and I really am from like the wrong side
[01:13:15] of the tracks but they were just so
[01:13:17] gracious and I think that speaks to
[01:13:19] obviously the fact that they are
[01:13:21] Christian and your dad dedicates so much
[01:13:22] of his life uh he leads his Life as a
[01:13:25] Christian so much of his work is driven
[01:13:27] by his faith and what he does which is
[01:13:29] really funny because people have turned
[01:13:31] this into a conspiracy theory he's in
[01:13:32] the House of Lords like and I'm like
[01:13:35] have you read what he does in the House
[01:13:37] of Lords all he does is work on family
[01:13:41] policy he leads with his faith he's just
[01:13:43] such a wonderful person I get very
[01:13:45] defensive when people try to create
[01:13:47] conspiracy theory there I'm like go look
[01:13:49] at what he actually writes and what he
[01:13:50] does and what he dedicates his life to
[01:13:52] and they were so gracious and so
[01:13:54] accepting of us and of me more than
[01:13:57] anything like as someone who they did
[01:14:00] not know at all so I should just say for
[01:14:02] the record that first of all in the
[01:14:04] answer the first one I have no known
[01:14:05] relations who are Roth as far as I'm
[01:14:07] aware like I don't know that but if we
[01:14:09] are aware Che but if I find one I will
[01:14:12] let people know thank you number two is
[01:14:14] that the House of Lords is not like kind
[01:14:18] of I don't know what people think it is
[01:14:20] I mean it is an American thing where
[01:14:21] they're like the House of Lords I think
[01:14:22] people still think that England is an
[01:14:23] absolute say I think they think
[01:14:25] K is in charge and I'm like do people
[01:14:27] know that we had a civil war where we
[01:14:29] they don't know how UK government works
[01:14:30] all yeah they they're like what is this
[01:14:32] like we we had a civil war we chopped
[01:14:33] the head of a king like Charles the
[01:14:35] first he lost his head we had a republic
[01:14:37] we had a commonwealth for like 12 years
[01:14:39] where the Puritans were in charge and
[01:14:41] then we restored the monarchy but a
[01:14:42] constitutional monarchy so the King has
[01:14:44] no power and the House of Lords is a
[01:14:47] second chamber much like the Senate but
[01:14:50] with much much much less power like
[01:14:52] basically no power I mean that's you
[01:14:55] know some Lord being like I have power
[01:14:58] um but they don't really have very much
[01:15:00] power and and certainly my parents to
[01:15:03] the best of my knowledge I spoke to my
[01:15:05] parents today but as far as I'm aware
[01:15:06] they don't hate you they've never told
[01:15:08] me that they hate you so that's new any
[01:15:11] indication it's news to me that's that's
[01:15:13] that's a recent favorite one and then
[01:15:15] the the newest one that has emerged is
[01:15:17] definitely my favorite that Andrew Tate
[01:15:19] has blackmail on you it's just like
[01:15:23] where do the top G
[01:15:26] like this is why I'm like what is
[01:15:27] anybody ever talking about I can count I
[01:15:30] literally think on five fingers how many
[01:15:32] times I've even met Andrew Tate two of
[01:15:35] them were the times I was interviewing
[01:15:36] him once at the Trump Hotel I think it's
[01:15:39] four I think the total number is four
[01:15:42] yeah it's crazy and so they think that
[01:15:43] they've developed this whole thing where
[01:15:45] like he's known you your whole life and
[01:15:47] he knows where all the bodies are buried
[01:15:49] I'm like people on the internet are mad
[01:15:52] but I love a good conspiracy theory so I
[01:15:53] love to read that about
[01:15:55] especially like he hasn't told me if he
[01:15:58] has also if you are watching and you
[01:16:00] have a blackmail file on us please let
[01:16:02] us know okay don't let rendos on the
[01:16:05] internet know about that um but it is
[01:16:07] one of the the things that I think has
[01:16:09] made our relationship so strong as our
[01:16:10] ability to laugh at it because you could
[01:16:12] not survive this life if you did not
[01:16:13] have a sense of humor people coming up
[01:16:15] every day with a new Theory uh
[01:16:17] constantly lying but somehow if you put
[01:16:19] it on the internet it must be true uh so
[01:16:22] in closing again just want to thank you
[01:16:24] for this tremendous year I know my
[01:16:25] listeners have been trying to have me
[01:16:26] get you on for a very long time and they
[01:16:29] know that you are much more brilliant
[01:16:30] than me much more well read than me much
[01:16:33] more handsome than I
[01:16:36] am none of these are true you know uh
[01:16:39] couldn't do life without you that's what
[01:16:41] I would say in clothing you know just
[01:16:43] still love you more today than the day
[01:16:45] that we got married that's the same for
[01:16:47] me too good you have to say that yeah
[01:16:49] you pay me to say we'll see you in the
[01:16:50] next in the next six years six years
[01:16:53] later
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