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[00:00:01] [music] [00:00:06] [music] [00:00:12] [music] [00:00:13] Thank you. [00:00:16] Oh, what a trip. [music] [00:00:21] Thank you very much. [00:00:24] Oh, yeah. [music] [00:00:26] Thank you. [00:00:28] Oh, [music] [00:00:33] thank you. [00:00:35] Walking out is always such a trip at [00:00:37] these things. I just I just got here and [00:00:41] I feel like I missed the first part of [00:00:43] the program. I hope I didn't miss [00:00:44] anything meaningful. Um, but I just want [00:00:47] to say I don't think I did. Um, no, I'm [00:00:50] just kidding. I watched it. I laughed. I [00:00:55] laughed that kind of bitter sardonic [00:00:56] laugh that emerges from you when like [00:00:59] upside down world arrives [00:01:02] when your dog starts doing your taxes [00:01:04] and you're like wait it's not supposed [00:01:05] to work this way to hear calls for LIKE [00:01:08] DEPLATFORMING AND DENOUNCING PEOPLE AT A [00:01:11] CHARLIE KIRK EVENT. I'M LIKE WHAT? This [00:01:13] is [laughter] hilarious. [00:01:16] Yeah, this is hilarious. Actually, one [00:01:18] of the clips I was listening to myself [00:01:21] thinking as I often do when I hear [00:01:22] myself speak, which is never because I [00:01:24] never watch myself, but at these events [00:01:25] I always play like the the role of you [00:01:28] and I'm like that guy is pompous. Woo. [00:01:31] Sorry about that. We don't see ourselves [00:01:33] clearly. Um, but the prediction that, [00:01:36] you know, at some point when Republicans [00:01:38] took power again, which I did everything [00:01:41] I could, uh, you know, to help and [00:01:44] really felt that was important. I I [00:01:46] still think, you know, I was right. But [00:01:48] I really thought that the impulse to [00:01:51] deplatform people or even to use the [00:01:53] word platform as a verb, which it's not. [00:01:56] It's a noun. Don't steal my nouns. [00:01:59] Deplatform and denounce. Why haven't YOU [00:02:02] DENOUNCED somebody else? the whole like [00:02:04] red guard cultural revolution thing that [00:02:06] we so hated and feared on the left that [00:02:10] we did everything we could to usher in a [00:02:12] new time where you could have an actual [00:02:15] debate. I mean, this kind of was the [00:02:17] whole point of Charlie Kirk's public [00:02:19] life. And I think that um [00:02:23] I think that he died for it. I really [00:02:25] believe that. And I know a lot about it [00:02:28] because the last several months of [00:02:30] Charlie's life were devoted in part to [00:02:35] arguing about this event. In fact, this [00:02:37] speech, in fact, my speech here, which [00:02:40] he asked me to do earlier this year, [00:02:42] this summer, and was immediately put [00:02:44] under just immense pressure from people [00:02:47] uh who give money to Turning Point, I [00:02:48] would assume good people, but who wanted [00:02:50] him to take me off the roster. And this [00:02:52] has all become public and I it's the [00:02:54] whole thing is so sad that I never talk [00:02:56] about it except to say Charlie stood [00:02:58] firm in his often stated and deeply held [00:03:02] belief that people should be able to [00:03:05] debate and that if you have something [00:03:07] valid to say if you're telling the [00:03:09] truth, you ought to be able to explain [00:03:11] it calmly and in detail to people who [00:03:14] don't agree with you and that you [00:03:16] shouldn't immediately resort to shut up [00:03:18] racist. you shouldn't immediately go to [00:03:20] motive. [00:03:22] By the way, shut up racist is the number [00:03:25] one reason I voted for Donald Trump [00:03:28] and because they're just sick of it. I [00:03:30] mean, first of all, if I was a racist, [00:03:32] if I was a bigot, I would just say so. [00:03:33] Okay, it's America. You're allowed to be [00:03:35] whatever kind of person you want. I'm [00:03:36] not. I'm sincerely opposed. Have always [00:03:38] been and will always be. But the style [00:03:42] of debate where you prevent the other [00:03:44] side from talking or being heard because [00:03:47] you immediately go to motive. Well, I [00:03:49] wonder why you're asking that question. [00:03:51] I WONDER WHY. WHY are you asking that [00:03:53] question? I detect in the question a [00:03:55] certain evil in your soul. And everyone [00:03:58] listening should know that listening to [00:04:01] you implicates them and that they [00:04:04] someday may be asked to denounce you. [00:04:06] AND THAT FRIENDSHIP IS NOT a reason to [00:04:09] defend someone. [00:04:12] Love is no defense. [00:04:16] I kind of thought we'd reached the end [00:04:17] of that. And as far as I'm concerned, we [00:04:19] have. And I'm not going to play by those [00:04:21] rules. [00:04:23] I'm not going to engage in that. [00:04:26] If someone doesn't like what I think, [00:04:29] fine with me as long as I get to express [00:04:31] it. That's my view. But since we're on [00:04:34] the topic, I think I should take the [00:04:36] opportunity to explain why Charlie was [00:04:38] under all this pressure. And I and I [00:04:40] think Erica, who I just saw backstage [00:04:41] and whom I love and who I can tell you [00:04:44] is totally committed to continuing the [00:04:47] core principle of Charlie's public life, [00:04:51] which is the right of every person to [00:04:53] express what he believes that is rooted [00:04:55] in Christian faith. We believe people [00:04:57] should be able to say what they think [00:04:59] because they have souls. They're human [00:05:01] beings created by God. They are not [00:05:05] slaves. They are not animals. They are [00:05:07] not objects. You cannot tell another [00:05:10] human being to shut up, even shut up [00:05:13] racist, [00:05:15] because you don't own him. [00:05:18] He is an independent, autonomous person [00:05:21] created by God as an individual. Okay? [00:05:23] So, that's where that belief comes from. [00:05:24] That's where free speech comes from. And [00:05:26] there's no accident. This is the only [00:05:28] country in the world that protects it [00:05:30] because our founding documents were [00:05:32] informed, as you just heard, so nicely [00:05:34] expressed by Michael Nolles, my friend, [00:05:37] by people who self-consciously [00:05:39] incorporated Christian precepts into [00:05:42] their structure of government. So [00:05:44] Charlie was committed to that, but they [00:05:46] the people around him were like, "You [00:05:47] can't because it's not that Carlson's [00:05:49] wrong. My only point was I don't want a [00:05:51] land war with Iran. I got a over my skis [00:05:55] and said I didn't want another regime [00:05:56] change war with Iran rather than explain [00:05:58] why we should have a regime change war [00:05:59] with Iran, which I'd be happy to listen [00:06:02] to. He's an anti-semite. He is an [00:06:03] anti-semite. To which I said, well, [00:06:05] obviously that's not true. And Charlie [00:06:06] said, I know. And and then it just [00:06:08] didn't stop. So I continued to say, I'm [00:06:11] not an anti-semite. We don't care what [00:06:13] you say. You're lying. You are. So, let [00:06:15] me just affirm one final time. Not only [00:06:18] am I not an anti-semite and would say so [00:06:20] if I was. I'm not an anti-semite for a [00:06:24] very specific reason. Not because it's [00:06:26] unpopular or my donors don't like it. I [00:06:28] don't have any donors. [00:06:31] I'm not an anti-semite because [00:06:32] anti-semitism is immoral [00:06:35] in my religion. [00:06:38] It is immoral [00:06:40] to hate people for how they were born. [00:06:44] period. [00:06:46] But that is not [00:06:49] a limited principle. That is a universal [00:06:53] principle. It applies to every human [00:06:56] being on planet Earth. You may not, you [00:07:00] are prohibited by my religion, which is [00:07:02] Christianity, from hating people for how [00:07:05] they were born because God created them [00:07:08] with his spark in his image because they [00:07:10] have souls. You can disagree with them. [00:07:15] You can hate their ideas. You may even [00:07:17] find yourself, and I do, I'll I'll [00:07:18] confess it, hating them for a moment. [00:07:21] But you can't hate everyone who's like [00:07:23] them. [00:07:25] You can't punish people for crimes they [00:07:27] didn't commit. That's the basis of our [00:07:29] justice system. That's the basis of [00:07:31] Christian ethics. That's why we have [00:07:32] what are called human rights. They apply [00:07:35] to every human. Not just your group, not [00:07:37] just my group, but every group, every [00:07:39] human. because we don't consider people [00:07:41] in terms of the groups to which they [00:07:42] belong. We consider them as individuals [00:07:44] the way that God created them. [00:07:49] So anti-semitism [00:07:51] is not just naughty, it's immoral. And [00:07:55] it is precisely as immoral as hating any [00:07:58] other group. And that would include [00:08:02] other groups in the United States that [00:08:04] are hated and have been under attack for [00:08:07] decades. And that would include white [00:08:09] men [00:08:10] who did nothing [00:08:13] to become white men. They were born that [00:08:15] way. And just because you have a beef [00:08:18] with a white man, let's just say Donald [00:08:20] Trump, doesn't mean you get to punish [00:08:23] all the rest of the white men in the [00:08:24] country. And yet [00:08:28] our leaders, not just of our Congress, [00:08:32] the executive branch under Biden, but of [00:08:33] every major US corporation, of every [00:08:36] college in the country, probably except [00:08:38] Hillsdale and two others. Every single [00:08:41] one for more than 10 years has engaged [00:08:45] in a systematic effort [00:08:48] to hurt white men because they are white [00:08:51] men. That is racism. that is precisely [00:08:55] as bad as anti-semitism, [00:08:58] but it is much more widespread and has [00:09:01] been so far much more damaging. [00:09:04] And my point is, if you said nothing [00:09:06] about that, or if you encouraged it by, [00:09:11] say, cheering on BLM, which was an [00:09:14] anti-white hate group, and said so, then [00:09:17] you have no moral standing to lecture me [00:09:19] about bias. [00:09:21] Period. [00:09:23] Because all bias is the same. You are [00:09:27] not allowed to hate people based on [00:09:30] their bloodline. [00:09:32] We do not believe in blood guilt. We [00:09:34] reject blood guilt. That's why our [00:09:36] justice system is just. That's why our [00:09:39] religion is just. Every person has the [00:09:42] possibility of transformation. [00:09:45] Paul is wandering around. Saul of Tarsus [00:09:47] is wandering around murdering [00:09:48] Christians. Then he decides, well, I'll [00:09:50] walk to Syria. and he's met on the road [00:09:53] by Jesus who changes him and in one day [00:09:55] he becomes the most energetic church [00:09:58] planter and apostle of Christianity in [00:10:01] one day he went from enemy to leader in [00:10:04] one day and that possibility exists for [00:10:07] every human being every human being [00:10:09] that's what our Christian faith tells us [00:10:10] that's also what our eyes tell us there [00:10:13] are no permanent enemies there cannot be [00:10:16] and I would I would extend this to even [00:10:18] people who attack me from this stage [00:10:20] they say if we agree on something. I'm [00:10:23] happy to be friends with you. You may [00:10:25] have been mean to me one day. Well, I [00:10:27] was mean TO YOU, TOO. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. [00:10:29] There is always the possibility that we [00:10:31] can recognize we have more in common [00:10:33] than divides us and come back together. 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[00:12:00] So, I guess I would just say to the many [00:12:02] organizations now, and particularly this [00:12:05] applies to the Anti-Defamation League, [00:12:07] which has cheered on anti-white hatred [00:12:10] for decades, has attacked anyone who [00:12:13] said anything about it, [00:12:16] which has been one of the most [00:12:19] aggressive cheerleaders for hate against [00:12:21] white men in the United States. Now, [00:12:24] trying to lecture the rest of us about [00:12:25] hate. I would say it's enough to point [00:12:28] out the irony of that. Come to our side, [00:12:32] which is the side of humanity and oppose [00:12:35] all hate against all people. Say out [00:12:38] loud, "Hate against whites is every bit [00:12:41] as bad as hate against Jews." It's a [00:12:43] universal principle. OR IT'S NOT A [00:12:45] PRINCIPLE. IT'S JUST A PREFERENCE. [00:12:49] If it's not a universal principle, it's [00:12:52] not a principle. It's just a preference. [00:12:55] It's just identity politics and we've [00:12:58] had enough of that and that's the one [00:12:59] thing that will destroy this country [00:13:01] certainly. The only thing that will save [00:13:03] it is the understanding that principles [00:13:05] upon which America was founded apply to [00:13:07] every single human being always. [00:13:10] So I just want to say that [00:13:13] [applause and cheering] [00:13:14] by way of saying that I'm not just [00:13:17] situationally opposed to anti-semitism. [00:13:20] I'm actually opposed to anti-semitism. [00:13:23] And I hope that the ADL will join me. [00:13:25] I'll send the money, by the way, if they [00:13:27] come out against hate aimed at anyone [00:13:30] and everyone. [00:13:32] I hope they will. But let me just say [00:13:34] something more broadly about where the [00:13:36] conservative movement, whatever that is, [00:13:39] the people who voted for Trump, the [00:13:40] Trump coalition, and the supposed civil [00:13:43] war going on within that group. [00:13:47] I I don't think it's real. I think it's [00:13:49] fake. I think it's totally fake. [00:13:52] I I I don't think and I've had cause to [00:13:55] think a lot about this because [00:13:57] I've been unwittingly involved in the [00:14:00] proxy war. [00:14:02] There are two things going on here and [00:14:04] I'm not guessing. One is jockeying for [00:14:08] position post Trump. So Trump created [00:14:11] this amazing coalition bringing in [00:14:13] people who had never voted Republican [00:14:14] before but were very enthusiastic about [00:14:16] him. And that coalition took over the [00:14:18] most powerful government in the history [00:14:19] of the world. So there's a lot a lot at [00:14:20] stake here. And so the question becomes [00:14:22] who gets to run it after? Who gets the [00:14:24] machinery when the president exits the [00:14:26] scene and there are a lot of people in [00:14:29] Washington, maybe even in this room, who [00:14:31] aren't quite sure what they want, but [00:14:32] they know they don't want JD Vance. [00:14:35] Okay? And so the attack, and you heard [00:14:37] it from the stage tonight, there's [00:14:39] someone here who's a very bad man and [00:14:42] he's friends with JD Vance. [00:14:44] Could be me. [00:14:48] I am sad about being used in a proxy war [00:14:52] over politics in which I'm not involved [00:14:54] in any level. I'm not an adviser to [00:14:56] anybody. But I just think I should say [00:14:58] that out loud. Okay. There are people [00:15:01] who are mad at JD Vance and they're [00:15:04] stirring up a lot of this in order to [00:15:06] make sure he doesn't get the nomination. [00:15:08] That this is true. So this raises the [00:15:11] obvious question which is why are they [00:15:12] mad at JD Vance? Such a nice guy which [00:15:15] he is. They're mad at JD Vance because [00:15:18] he is the one person and things could [00:15:20] change of course but right now who [00:15:23] really kind of buys the core idea of the [00:15:25] Trump coalition. Now what is that idea [00:15:27] ladies and gentlemen? Anyone know? [00:15:28] Anyone know? America first. [00:15:32] It's America first. It's really simple. [00:15:36] Which I notice [00:15:38] some people are pretty anxious to retire [00:15:40] that phrase. Remember when they told us [00:15:44] that's a bigoted phrase. really it is. [00:15:49] And then they just decided to ignore it [00:15:51] in favor of MAGA. Make America great [00:15:53] again, which I'm obviously for. But how [00:15:55] do you make America great again? By [00:15:56] putting America first. Now, what does [00:15:57] that mean? I'll be more precise. It's [00:15:59] it's not a complicated concept. It's a [00:16:00] really simple concept. The US [00:16:02] government, [00:16:04] the largest organization in human [00:16:07] history with the most well-unded [00:16:09] military in history, ought to, in all [00:16:12] the decisions it makes, put the [00:16:14] interests of American citizens first. [00:16:17] That's it. [applause] [00:16:20] Oh, [00:16:23] THAT'S CREEPY. SOUNDS KIND OF FASCIST. [00:16:26] YOU'RE GOING TO INVADE POLAND NOW? [00:16:29] NO, just the opposite. In fact, the [00:16:31] original America firsters were kind of [00:16:33] against wars and the current ones are [00:16:35] too. Actually, it just means what it [00:16:38] sounds like. The government ought to [00:16:41] serve the people who pay for it, who [00:16:43] elected them, in whose name the business [00:16:46] of government is conducted. [00:16:48] That's all it means. [00:16:51] Now, there are two things to know about [00:16:53] this idea. The first is almost [00:16:56] everyone's for that. Like what [00:16:59] percentage if you pulled that idea in [00:17:01] the supposedly fractious Trump coalition [00:17:04] that's in the middle of A CIVIL WAR? [00:17:06] WHAT PERCENTAGE of people disagree with [00:17:08] that? [laughter] [00:17:10] Well, a few you know people whose names [00:17:13] you know. Well, that sounds like America [00:17:16] only. [00:17:18] No, it's not. Just America first. [00:17:20] Simple. But like probably 95% of Trump [00:17:23] voters would be for that. And I bet you [00:17:26] like probably 70% of people who didn't [00:17:27] vote for Trump would be for that. And if [00:17:30] you calm down and explained it to him, [00:17:32] probably like 90%. Why? Because it's [00:17:35] self-evident like most true things. And [00:17:38] moreover, [00:17:40] and think this through for a second, [00:17:42] there is no other legitimate rationale [00:17:45] for running our government. [00:17:47] We have self-government. [00:17:50] This is a democratic republic. It exists [00:17:52] for our benefit. [00:17:55] The documents were written that way. The [00:17:58] point of the American Revolution was to [00:18:00] make that point. And so if you're not [00:18:02] operating the federal government on [00:18:04] behalf of US citizens, you're [00:18:06] illegitimate. You actually have no right [00:18:08] to rule. [00:18:09] Period. And if you disagree, [00:18:13] tell me what the other legitimate [00:18:14] justification is. Oh, cuz my friends or [00:18:17] people I agree with or in my, you know, [00:18:20] interest group or I mean, no, the [00:18:23] government must must, this is [00:18:26] non-negotiable, operate on behalf [00:18:29] of American citizens. [00:18:32] [applause] [00:18:35] So once you realize that that's the [00:18:40] statement at the center of the debate, [00:18:43] it all becomes pretty clear, really [00:18:45] clear actually. It's not an ideological [00:18:47] debate. There's nothing ideological [00:18:49] about that. I've got all kinds of kooky [00:18:50] ideological views. I love Nolles's list [00:18:53] of all the views. I probably had most of [00:18:54] them in my long and varied life. I have [00:18:58] fewer now. I just kind of want to see a [00:19:00] good faith effort to improve the [00:19:01] country. That's it. [00:19:03] And I'm ever aware that I'm not exactly [00:19:05] sure the right way a lot of times. Are [00:19:08] tariffs the best way to help the [00:19:09] country? I don't know. I hope so. Not an [00:19:11] expert. All I really care about is that [00:19:15] the people in charge care, that they [00:19:18] love the people they lead. [00:19:20] That is the first and most important [00:19:22] requirement of leadership. A father who [00:19:24] loves his children may make mistakes. [00:19:26] Probably will, inevitably will. I did. [00:19:29] But if he loves his kids, he'll do a [00:19:31] pretty good job and they'll be fine. An [00:19:33] officer who loves his men, you know, he [00:19:36] can't control the battle, but they'll do [00:19:38] better than the officer who doesn't. [00:19:41] The president who truly loves his people [00:19:44] will over time tend to make wiser [00:19:46] decisions on their behalf. But the [00:19:48] leaders who don't care at all, they'll [00:19:50] destroy your country. And that is [00:19:52] absolutely what we've had. [00:19:54] That's by the way not noted [00:19:57] as an effort to blackpill you [00:20:01] or an effort to discourage you or [00:20:02] convince you you have no agency or [00:20:04] control. You have a lot of control. You [00:20:07] just change the government. Good. But if [00:20:10] you want to know what the debate is [00:20:11] going forward and what your job is going [00:20:13] forward, it's holding your leaders to [00:20:15] that very simple standard. not on [00:20:18] tariffs or any of these specific policy [00:20:22] questions necessarily, but on their [00:20:24] motive. Can you look me in the face and [00:20:27] explain to me why the thing that you are [00:20:28] doing, the money you're appropriating, [00:20:32] can you tell me why that helps our [00:20:34] country and our people? Tell me how. [00:20:38] And if you're you're doing the whole [00:20:39] shut up racist thing, [applause] [00:20:43] then I have a right [00:20:46] to question your motives. Actually, why [00:20:48] can't you answer the question? Why can't [00:20:50] you answer that question? Why do you [00:20:52] have to imply that some college kid is [00:20:55] like some kind of Hitlerite or something [00:20:57] cuz he's asking about an event? Like [00:20:59] what? 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Veteran founded American [00:22:29] roasted. This is America's coffee. I [00:22:32] remember my brother once said, I have [00:22:33] one brother who's my best friend and he [00:22:35] once said something lunatic as brothers [00:22:36] do. And I remember all these reporters, [00:22:40] one from the Washington Post, which used [00:22:41] to be a newspaper in in Washington, [00:22:44] calling me and being like, "WILL YOU [00:22:46] DENOUNCE YOUR BROTHER?" I SAID, "SON, if [00:22:50] my brother went on a drugrelated murder [00:22:53] spree, I would not denounce him." WHAT [00:22:56] ARE YOU FOR? DRUG-RELATED MURDER SPREES. [00:22:58] NO, I'M FOR MY BROTHER. [00:23:01] And nothing will ever make me not for my [00:23:03] brother. Now, I'd probably tell him, "No [00:23:04] more drugrelated murder sprees for you. [00:23:07] I'm not for that. I'm not for a lot of [00:23:09] things actually, but I will never ever [00:23:13] denounce people I love to satisfy the [00:23:16] mob, right? [00:23:19] [cheering] [00:23:23] I mean, it's crazy. [00:23:26] So, as you think through like what [00:23:28] should this movement be and where's what [00:23:30] side should you take on the conservative [00:23:32] civil war, [00:23:36] you already know the answer. You're on [00:23:37] the side of America first. And if they [00:23:39] can't tell you why it's America first, [00:23:41] you just won the argument cuz they don't [00:23:43] have one. SHUT UP NAZI IS NO DIFFERENT [00:23:46] FROM SHUT UP RACIST. It's a little more [00:23:49] annoying actually. [00:23:51] And I would just say this too because [00:23:54] the the passion is real, the anger is [00:23:56] real. I feel it sometimes. I try not to [00:23:59] get involved, but somehow I keep [00:24:01] involving myself. Um, and I try not to [00:24:04] read the internet because I don't feel [00:24:05] like it's good for my soul. But, you [00:24:07] know, more addictive than cigarettes. I [00:24:08] quit cigarettes, not Twitter. [00:24:12] I think I'm going back to cigarettes and [00:24:14] giving up Twitter. Whatever. I don't [00:24:15] want to burden you. [00:24:17] Not kidding, actually. But anyway, the [00:24:19] point is [00:24:21] you need to remember if you're a [00:24:23] Christian, and I think there are a lot [00:24:24] of them in this room, that Jesus makes [00:24:28] demands on you [00:24:31] and holds standards for you that are [00:24:34] very different from those, as my friend, [00:24:36] close friend Russell Bran so beautifully [00:24:39] explained, they're very different from [00:24:40] those of the world, which really is [00:24:43] controlled [00:24:45] by the by Satan. I I it's hard even to [00:24:48] say that because it's so dark, but it's [00:24:49] also so true. So don't be surprised when [00:24:51] Jesus sends out the discip like one of [00:24:53] my favorite passages in the whole New [00:24:54] Testament when Jesus in Matthew 10 sends [00:24:55] the disciples out. He's just picked them [00:24:57] like 10 minutes before. He's like, "All [00:24:59] right, I want you guys road trip. No [00:25:01] money, no clothes, no staff. And by the [00:25:04] way, you're going to get flogged. You're [00:25:06] going to get beaten with whips and [00:25:07] arrested." I'm sure they're all thinking [00:25:09] like, "What? I you know, I thought we [00:25:11] were the winners here." And when that [00:25:13] happens, like don't worry about what [00:25:14] you're going to say. The Holy Spirit [00:25:15] will speak for you. And I'm like, I just [00:25:16] can't get over the blas way in which he [00:25:18] just tells them the world is going to [00:25:20] try and kill you. Which, by the way, it [00:25:21] did. I think all of them end up getting [00:25:23] killed. And that's just the baseline. [00:25:25] We're promised that it's a fact. You get [00:25:26] up and give a speech about Jesus. You [00:25:28] talk about Jesus. You try to live out [00:25:30] his commands, you're going to get [00:25:31] attacked. Okay, we know that. Don't [00:25:33] whine. [00:25:34] Here's [00:25:36] the pitfall. Here's the trap is becoming [00:25:39] hateful yourself. [00:25:41] And I sincerely believe that this this [00:25:42] is a spiritual battle. And I'm not [00:25:44] saying everyone who disagrees with me is [00:25:46] on the side of evil. I don't think that. [00:25:47] I think I'm often wrong. I know that I [00:25:49] am. [00:25:51] But I do think that fundamentally this [00:25:54] is light versus darkness. I do. And [00:25:57] darkness is characterized by rage and [00:25:59] division and chaos and confusion. [00:26:03] And light is God is characterized by the [00:26:05] opposite of those things. And I've [00:26:08] noticed this. There are attempts to make [00:26:11] people hateful. One of the reasons [00:26:12] people scream insults in your face is to [00:26:16] provoke a reaction from you and make you [00:26:18] hate them. They want you to hate them. [00:26:22] They want you to become what they call [00:26:24] you. Why? Because evil feeds on hate. [00:26:27] That's why. So don't participate in [00:26:29] that. And the way that I try to keep [00:26:32] myself from becoming what they say I am [00:26:35] is by remembering that I am on the most [00:26:38] basic level no better than my [00:26:39] persecutors. [00:26:41] I am no better than my persecutors. [00:26:44] And that's why I'm commanded to pray for [00:26:46] them because we have all fallen short of [00:26:50] Jesus. Period. [00:26:52] And I'm reminded of that every day in [00:26:55] the structure of the Lord's Prayer [00:26:59] where we first are told by Jesus to ask [00:27:04] for forgiveness for our sins before we [00:27:07] start diagnosing the plank in our [00:27:09] neighbors or in the speck in our [00:27:11] neighbor's side. The whole thing begins [00:27:14] with [00:27:16] I'm a pompous douchebag. I'll admit it. [00:27:21] That's essential. It's essential. We are [00:27:25] called to be righteous, but not [00:27:27] self-righteous. [00:27:28] And we're also called, and I have to say [00:27:30] this before opening it up to your [00:27:31] hostile questions, we should also be [00:27:34] very on guard against people who try to [00:27:39] leverage the word of God, [00:27:42] the words of Jesus for political ends. [00:27:46] That is one. That is a dangerous thing [00:27:48] to do. [00:27:50] I don't want to do that. And I attempt [00:27:53] every time. This is all sort of new to [00:27:54] me. I'm so obviously not a great [00:27:56] Christian that it's it's not like a lot [00:27:58] of people are going to be like, "Oh, I [00:27:59] want to be like him." [00:28:01] But there are people, particularly [00:28:04] Christian ministers, I have noticed, who [00:28:07] are preaching a political message [00:28:12] and pretending that it's the gospel. So, [00:28:16] let me just say, and I think my theology [00:28:18] is right. I'm hardly a theologian. [00:28:21] God is not on any country's side. [00:28:25] Certain countries can decide to be on [00:28:27] God's side. And that is true for people [00:28:30] too. Okay? [applause] [00:28:33] God doesn't have a partisan affiliation. [00:28:35] He doesn't have a nationality. [00:28:38] And if someone is telling you otherwise, [00:28:40] that is just not true. It is not true. [00:28:43] And I would also call your attention to [00:28:45] the very obvious prohibitions in the New [00:28:48] Testament against killing the innocent. [00:28:52] We are not as Christians allowed to kill [00:28:55] the innocent. Period. We are not. And [00:28:59] you see elaborate arguments on behalf of [00:29:02] doing so or ignoring it. Oh, that always [00:29:05] happens in war. Well, you're right. One [00:29:07] of the reasons I'm not that into wars. [00:29:09] But when it does happen unavoidably, we [00:29:13] have to say that's wrong. We have to say [00:29:16] that. We have to acknowledge that was [00:29:18] wrong. [00:29:19] And I'm sorry for the extent to which I [00:29:21] participated in it. Forgive me because [00:29:24] killing people who committed no crime is [00:29:27] immoral. It will always be immoral. And [00:29:30] people who do it will be punished for [00:29:31] it. And nations that endorse it will be [00:29:34] punished for it. That's a fact. [00:29:37] And you are seeing now, [00:29:40] you are seeing now a very intense effort [00:29:44] to convince you otherwise. Oh, it's [00:29:46] fine. They deserved it. Really? Do their [00:29:48] children deserve it? If a man commits a [00:29:51] crime, do we kill his kids? I don't care [00:29:54] if it's in Minneapolis or Gaza City. No, [00:29:56] we don't. And if we do accidentally, we [00:30:00] say, "I am so sorry that we murdered [00:30:01] someone who did nothing wrong." Because [00:30:03] it is murder. [00:30:05] And to see Christian pastors make [00:30:07] excuses for that is one of the most and [00:30:10] that's not a partisan question. [00:30:12] That is not a political question. That [00:30:15] is the only question that matters. Do we [00:30:17] have the right to murder people? And the [00:30:20] resounding answer that Christianity [00:30:24] provides us is no. [00:30:28] I don't get into the whole debate. [00:30:31] you know disp I don't even I didn't even [00:30:33] know the terms dispensationalist you [00:30:35] know or whatever replacement I'm an [00:30:36] episcipellian okay I don't enter these [00:30:38] debates or was [00:30:41] my theology is super simple I like the [00:30:44] beatitudes read them yesterday I I [00:30:46] actually think was it Michael reading [00:30:47] them some of them here [00:30:50] I I think any person any honest person [00:30:52] would say it's the essence of the [00:30:53] Christian faith [00:30:55] and killing tens of thousands of [00:30:57] children and then making excuses for it [00:31:00] on behalf of a foreign government is not [00:31:02] in there. It's antithetical to that. [00:31:05] Sorry. It doesn't make me a hater. It [00:31:08] makes me the opponent of hate. [00:31:11] [applause] [00:31:12] So, now that I've alienated most in the [00:31:13] crowd with my staunch position against [00:31:16] violence, [00:31:18] and power worship and money worship, [00:31:20] which are also prohibited, [00:31:23] and we should also keep that in mind. [00:31:25] And in all of us is the desire to suck [00:31:27] up to power and accumulate money we [00:31:29] don't need. We're not allowed to. Sorry. [00:31:32] Um, anyway, now that I made everyone [00:31:34] mad, are there any questions uh that I [00:31:36] can answer? [00:31:39] >> Yes. Shout it, baby. I'll hear it. [00:31:42] >> Okay. [00:31:45] >> We've We've got questions. [00:31:46] >> Hold on. One one sec. I I I just called [00:31:48] this lady up front. [00:31:55] Republican. [00:32:01] >> So the question was, what do you do if [00:32:03] you're a conservative Republican and I [00:32:05] assume other Republicans don't want you [00:32:08] because you're an avowed Christian? [00:32:10] Well, first you sit back and you think, [00:32:12] how rotten has this whole thing become? [00:32:14] If you can't say you're a Christian in a [00:32:16] conservative group, if you can't say I'm [00:32:19] uncomfortable with dudes marrying each [00:32:21] other or whatever abortion or the things [00:32:24] that are prohibited by a religion, if [00:32:26] you can't say that in a conservative [00:32:27] group, it's not a conservative group. [00:32:29] It's something else. [applause] [00:32:36] >> My name is Madison and I'm 12 years old. [00:32:39] When I'm older, I want to be a [00:32:41] politician. I'm a Christian and I was [00:32:44] just wondering what are the steps I [00:32:45] should take to [00:32:47] >> I'm so sorry I can't hear a word you're [00:32:48] saying. I hear two of you at least. [00:32:50] >> Okay. Um my name is Madison and I'm 12 [00:32:55] years old. I want to be a politician [00:32:59] and I was wondering what are the steps I [00:33:02] should take to pursue that career. [00:33:07] >> Thank you so much. I heard that you're [00:33:09] 12 years old. Um, and so thank you for [00:33:12] asking that question. Um, I think you [00:33:14] said, "I'm I want to be a politician. [00:33:15] What steps should I take?" [00:33:17] >> Yeah, [00:33:17] >> perfect. Um, well, prayer would be the [00:33:20] first one. Does God really want that for [00:33:22] you? You seem so nice. Sorry, just [00:33:24] kidding. Um, [00:33:26] uh, [00:33:28] you know, I do think that we are [00:33:30] entering into a obviously a volatile [00:33:33] period. Like there's a lot going on. I [00:33:34] can't even keep track of it and that's [00:33:36] my job. But I also feel like people who [00:33:39] are telling the truth or trying, you [00:33:41] know, it's kind of the best you can do [00:33:42] is try. I said something yesterday in [00:33:45] public that was totally wrong, [00:33:46] completely wrong. And I I hate doing [00:33:49] that, but it was sincere. I thought it [00:33:50] was right. I said, you know, whatever. [00:33:51] I'm sorry. I feel like people who try to [00:33:54] tell the truth are rewarded for it [00:33:57] because there have been too many lies. [00:33:59] So my bottom line advice, I could give [00:34:00] you other dumb advice, but my only real [00:34:02] advice is just tell the truth always. [00:34:04] And if you lose, that's that's okay. [00:34:08] Okay. Just don't touch. [applause] [00:34:14] >> Am I good? [00:34:15] >> Hi, Mr. Carlson. I am B [00:34:19] >> and my name is Annabelle. [00:34:22] >> And we were wondering [00:34:24] >> what you and your wife. [00:34:31] >> You were wondering what I do wear. what [00:34:33] you and your wife um do to strengthen [00:34:38] your faith. [00:34:40] >> Oh, what I do to strengthen my faith? [00:34:43] I'm I'm always embarrassed to talk about [00:34:45] my faith because it's so not impressive, [00:34:47] but [00:34:48] um honestly, the main thing I do is I [00:34:50] read I read the Bible every day, which I [00:34:52] really enjoy. And I read a version of it [00:34:54] called the NLT. [00:34:57] And I'm not, you know, fluent in Aramaic [00:35:00] or Greek or Hebrew. So I I can't tell [00:35:02] you that it's the best. But it has the [00:35:04] clearest English. And as a writer and [00:35:06] editor, I just love clear English. And I [00:35:08] just think it's amazing. And it's just [00:35:09] opened up all this stuff that I thought [00:35:11] was opaque. And I I wake up every [00:35:13] morning really early and I drink coffee [00:35:15] with my dogs and I read it by myself and [00:35:18] then my wife comes down and we like talk [00:35:20] about it. That's kind of it. But I love [00:35:23] it. [00:35:26] [applause] Yeah. And we do [00:35:35] >> is the American Israel Public Affairs [00:35:39] Committee commonly known as Apac is them [00:35:43] being in America and not registered with [00:35:46] Farah like all other lobbying groups in [00:35:50] America. Is that America first? Is it is [00:35:54] it America first for senators, Congress, [00:35:58] and even our president to take money [00:36:02] from Apac? [00:36:05] Is it America first to take money from a [00:36:07] foreign lobby so you'll send taxpayer [00:36:09] dollars to that country? [00:36:12] Um, you know, even the question kind of [00:36:14] answers itself. Obviously, it isn't. And [00:36:17] that's not an attack on Israel. Well, [00:36:18] it's certainly not anti-semitism despite [00:36:20] the efforts of many to claim that it is. [00:36:24] It's just an obvious statement. And the [00:36:27] fact that [applause] [00:36:29] the fact that people are attacked for [00:36:33] asking the question, this is something [00:36:34] that I talked to Charlie a lot about um [00:36:37] in his final months because he was being [00:36:39] attacked as an anti-semite for asking [00:36:41] that question. You know, we've memory [00:36:43] hold that, but I was there so I saw it. [00:36:46] That's not the right way. Don't attack [00:36:48] people's motives for and I have a lot to [00:36:51] attack people's motives. I I'm trying to [00:36:52] remind myself don't do that. Respond to [00:36:55] what they're saying, [00:36:57] right? And so, no, of course it's not. [00:37:00] And it's totally fine to ask about why a [00:37:04] foreign government tried to sink one of [00:37:06] our ships in 1967. That doesn't make you [00:37:08] an anti-semite. Sorry. Those are [00:37:11] Americans who died. Um, and by the Yeah, [00:37:15] whatever. Anyway, but the point is, no, [00:37:17] of course not. And that's why they won't [00:37:18] have the conversation. And my point is, [00:37:21] you know, I'm 56. My kids are grown. I'm [00:37:23] just not afraid of you at all. I don't [00:37:26] hate you or anyone else. I love this [00:37:28] country. I'm going to be here till I [00:37:29] die. I have an absolute [00:37:32] God-given right to ask these questions, [00:37:35] and I'm going to keep doing that. [00:37:37] >> Period. And you can shoot me or put me [00:37:39] in jail, but the questions won't go [00:37:41] away. [00:37:42] So, no, of course it's not. And that's [00:37:44] why they respond with like rage and [00:37:47] shame because you caught him doing [00:37:49] something they can't defend. Duh. [00:37:55] [applause] [00:37:58] Hey Tucker, how you doing? Thanks for [00:38:01] thanks for taking questions. My name is [00:38:03] Michael Lasher and I've come here from [00:38:06] Munich, Germany uh to introduce you and [00:38:09] others to my book, The Same Boat. a [00:38:13] guide to heal the divide and it [00:38:16] addresses the cold civil war that's got [00:38:20] us so split. And the goal of it is [00:38:22] actually to shift the symmet symmetrical [00:38:28] uh uh the symmetry of the bell curve [00:38:33] distribution of the political spectrum [00:38:37] from what we had at the end of the 2024 [00:38:39] election. 52% Trump 48% Camala Harris [00:38:43] when everybody in this room thinks it [00:38:45] should have been at least 7525. [00:38:48] So, we have a cold civil war going on, [00:38:50] and I want to ask you what you think we [00:38:52] should be doing to try to solve it. I [00:38:55] tell you, I create I created this [00:38:57] communications tool to help bridge the [00:38:59] divide, to argue our case for those with [00:39:02] whom we can no longer have rational [00:39:05] political discussion. [00:39:07] Um, I it's a variation of what I said [00:39:09] before, but I couldn't mean it more [00:39:11] fervently. [00:39:13] orient the Republican party around the [00:39:16] single most popular and true message [00:39:19] ever articulated by an American [00:39:21] politician, which is put your own [00:39:23] country first. [00:39:25] >> That's why Trump got elected [00:39:27] in 2016. That's why he's president now. [00:39:31] America first. And don't think of [00:39:35] everything in narrow partisan terms. [00:39:37] That's a trap. Most people agree with [00:39:40] that. Most Americans have more in common [00:39:43] with each other than they disagree on. [00:39:46] And almost everybody agrees on that. And [00:39:48] almost everybody is willing to tolerate [00:39:50] a good faith argument about how to get [00:39:52] there except a few. And they're the ones [00:39:55] running around calling everyone an [00:39:56] anti-semite. But everyone else is LIKE, [00:39:58] "YEAH, OF COURSE THAT SHOULD BE THE [00:39:59] DEBATE." And they'll VOTE FOR YOU. THEY [00:40:02] WANT THAT BECAUSE they know they haven't [00:40:03] had that. That's the fact. And what [00:40:07] you're watching now, attacking people on [00:40:09] the attacking millions of Americans cuz [00:40:11] they're Muslims. [00:40:13] >> It's disgusting. And I'm a Christian. [00:40:15] I'M NOT A MUSLIM. I'm never going I know [00:40:16] there's a lot of effort to claim I'm a [00:40:17] secret jihadi. I'm not. [00:40:20] >> YOU SHOULD NOT ATTACK PEOPLE ON THOSE [00:40:22] GROUNDS. And you're seeing it from [00:40:23] Republic. What the hell are you doing? [00:40:25] What you're doing is trying to divide [00:40:27] the country. And I've lived through 50 [00:40:29] years of this crap. All these fake race [00:40:31] wars that they're always promoting. Oh, [00:40:33] go hate each other while we loot the [00:40:35] treasury. That's exactly what's going [00:40:37] on. And most people are totally sick of [00:40:39] that. So yes, there is a possibility for [00:40:42] a huge coalition of decent people once [00:40:45] they free their minds from the traps set [00:40:47] for them by others and realize, wait a [00:40:49] second, we all want to make this country [00:40:51] better. And the 15% or 30% who don't, [00:40:54] okay, you know, good luck in Maryland or [00:40:57] wherever you wind up, but the rest of us [00:40:59] would like to fix it. and hand it to [00:41:01] him. It's important [applause] [00:41:04] >> Tucker. [00:41:05] >> Tucker. [00:41:06] >> My name's Harrison Tinsley. I'm a single [00:41:07] dad in California. Didn't get to meet [00:41:09] him till I was 15 months old just cuz [00:41:11] I'm conservative. One half custody. His [00:41:13] mom tried to trans him. Long story [00:41:15] short, I have full custody now. And it's [00:41:18] a dream come true. Thank you. But it's a [00:41:21] miracle. And praise God cuz I know so [00:41:24] many dads that all have zero custody [00:41:26] because of this. So Marjorie Taylor [00:41:28] Green's bill, Protect Children Innocence [00:41:30] Act, just passed the House. Can we pass [00:41:32] it in the Senate? And finally, end this [00:41:34] gender insanity, mutilating, hurting [00:41:36] kids. [00:41:38] >> And will you last part? Pull your face [00:41:41] back from the microphone so I can hear [00:41:42] you. [00:41:42] >> And will you interview me? [00:41:44] >> Am I going to interview dransitioned [00:41:47] people? Is that the question? [00:41:48] >> No. No. Me as a dad. And can we finally [00:41:51] stop the mutilation of children with [00:41:54] Marjorie Taylor's bill? [00:41:56] Okay. Um, I'm just going to say when I [00:41:59] was a child, [00:42:01] we did a lot of bird hunting and my [00:42:03] father would always say when my brother [00:42:05] and me say, "Pop, you know, everyone [00:42:07] wears earplugs." And he would just say, [00:42:08] "Pull the filter off your marble and [00:42:10] stick it in your opposite ear." [00:42:12] And that's actually at 56 made it really [00:42:15] hard for me to hear microphone [00:42:16] questions. So, you asked, and I'll just [00:42:19] answer this and stop. You asked about [00:42:21] Marjorie Taylor Green's bill to ban the [00:42:25] mutilation of children, which for some [00:42:27] reason seems to have a lot of trouble [00:42:28] getting through the House of [00:42:29] Representatives, which is controlled by [00:42:31] Republicans. And if there's ever a [00:42:33] clearer example of whose side they're [00:42:36] on, I can't think of it. Cuz at least on [00:42:39] some of the foreign policy stuff, they [00:42:41] can tell you, "No, no, no. We have to be [00:42:42] at war with Russia because Putin's bad. [00:42:45] He's just bad. He's bad." Okay, got it. [00:42:49] We have to kill all the kids in Gaza [00:42:51] because otherwise the Gazins will come [00:42:53] here and kill us. Okay. What's the [00:42:56] potential [00:42:58] excuse for allowing the sexual [00:43:01] mutilation of children? At that point, [00:43:04] I'm like, you know, I don't want to [00:43:05] question people's motives, but I'm [00:43:07] starting to wonder. And I do think it [00:43:10] just gets back to you have to demand [00:43:13] more from your members of Congress, from [00:43:16] your leaders more broadly. you're not [00:43:18] allowed to sell us out again. Because if [00:43:19] you keep doing that, people get radical [00:43:22] and hateful and then they get desperate [00:43:24] because they realize their vote doesn't [00:43:26] matter. And that's when things start to [00:43:28] go sideways in a way that nobody wants. [00:43:31] So yeah, if you can't even ban the [00:43:33] castration of children, [00:43:36] I hope there is a list, and I've been [00:43:38] traveling today, but I hope on the [00:43:40] internet there's a list of everyone who [00:43:42] voted against that effort, and I hope [00:43:44] that they are [00:43:46] punished for it. I mean, they will be [00:43:48] ultimately, but I hope they're punished [00:43:49] in this life. Anyway, thank you very [00:43:50] much. [00:43:52] [applause] [00:43:57] Well, some Americans have become cut off [00:43:59] from the [music] things that once kept [00:44:00] us grounded. Our land, the skills that [00:44:03] tied our families to [music] nature. [00:44:04] >> Told you he's getting his next for that. [00:44:06] >> And to remind us, we made a new six-part [00:44:08] series, American Game, tales from the [00:44:11] wild. We follow the sportsmen who are [00:44:12] keeping these ancient traditions alive. [00:44:14] We follow a former Navy Seal into the [00:44:16] mountains of Texas. Donald Trump Jr. [00:44:18] across the ridges of Lai. [00:44:20] >> That's what we call from going from zero [00:44:22] to hero. and [music] wander with me [00:44:24] through the quiet woods of Maine. [00:44:26] >> I have just three dog commands and then [00:44:29] as I direct the dogs, find the bird. [00:44:32] Find the bird and then dead bird [music] [00:44:34] obviously, which I don't use as much as [00:44:35] I'd like to. [laughter] [00:44:38] >> We cast for [music] steel head on the [00:44:39] Dashuites River in Oregon. [00:44:41] >> The first one I've caught in a while. [00:44:42] >> Track mule deer in the Utah high [00:44:43] country. Spear fish in the waters off [00:44:45] Monttok chasing stripe bass and bluefin [00:44:48] tuna. [00:44:48] >> See you on the other side. It's called [00:44:49] American Game Tales from the Wild [00:44:52] Outdoor [music] Series. Watch you at [00:44:53] tucker carlson.com.