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[00:00:00] Will they learn though, Rachel? I mean, [00:00:02] we have a Zionist uh uh what is it [00:00:05] called? Chokeold on US politics here in [00:00:08] the United States and in Washington. And [00:00:09] so, it seems like, you know, the United [00:00:11] States is not even making its own [00:00:13] decisions anymore when it comes to the [00:00:14] Middle East and in many places of the [00:00:17] world. It's Israeli influence that is um [00:00:20] you know, targeting countries and [00:00:23] creating the framework, I guess you [00:00:24] could say, the architecture for a lot of [00:00:26] these conflicts. I mean, that's just [00:00:28] where I see things going. Um, so unless [00:00:30] we get a hold of this Frankenstein that [00:00:34] we've created um out of Washington, [00:00:36] perhaps we can have some more [00:00:38] self-reflection inside of Washington. [00:00:40] And we can see um how US policies um [00:00:45] have been splintering uh Europe. We can [00:00:48] look at the case study of the Ukraine [00:00:50] war and the Nordstream pipeline bombing [00:00:54] for example. Um quite apart from the [00:00:57] from the huge economic toll it is [00:00:59] taking, Poland now is refusing to [00:01:02] extradite a suspect in the Nordstream 2 [00:01:04] bombings to Germany for prosecution, [00:01:07] effectively ending any hopes of justice. [00:01:10] And other European nations are [00:01:12] pressuring Germany to drop the case [00:01:14] entirely. So for my final question for [00:01:16] you, Rachel, what does that say about [00:01:19] the state of Europe considering this [00:01:21] investigation is splintering uh the [00:01:23] continent? Um is the continent as [00:01:26] disunited as at any other time in recent [00:01:29] memory? What do you think? [00:01:31] >> I think they're getting to that point. I [00:01:33] think they still have a ways to go. But [00:01:35] yeah, it's been interesting to watch [00:01:37] this Nordstream investigation because it [00:01:40] it comes up every well every several [00:01:43] months I would say, right? we get some [00:01:45] new update and then you don't hear about [00:01:46] it for a little bit and you kind of [00:01:47] forget about it and then it's like oh [00:01:49] yes in this latest report it's [00:01:51] interesting because Germany has decided [00:01:53] that they've got this group of Ukrainian [00:01:56] a group of Ukrainians essentially that [00:01:58] they say they are responsible right they [00:02:01] are the ones who are behind this very [00:02:04] sophisticated military bombing of the [00:02:08] Nordstream pipeline that n it's just [00:02:10] your average Joe's essentially and now [00:02:13] they're pointing the finger at Poland [00:02:14] saying, "Oh, well, Poland's the reason [00:02:16] we can't continue with this cuz they've [00:02:18] got this one guy and he they refuse to [00:02:20] extradite him because they see him as a [00:02:22] national hero." But when you take a step [00:02:25] back, we also have to remember the [00:02:27] reporting. And I think that the [00:02:28] reporting by investigative journalist [00:02:30] Seymour Hirs is probably the most [00:02:32] spot-on that I've seen in this case, [00:02:34] pointing to the fact that look, this was [00:02:37] a fullon military operation [00:02:40] that it was, you know, m well really [00:02:42] years in the works before it was carried [00:02:45] out and that this is not just a couple [00:02:47] of Ukrainian guys on a yacht getting [00:02:50] together carrying out this very advanced [00:02:53] bombing of the pipelines that were able [00:02:55] to do it. But of course when it [00:02:57] initially happened the focus was on [00:02:59] Russia and the West claimed over and [00:03:02] over again that Russia bombed their own [00:03:04] pipeline. You know the pipeline that [00:03:06] they just spent billions of dollars and [00:03:08] years building that they just got [00:03:10] together and bombed it instead of simply [00:03:12] turning off the gas like you would think [00:03:14] that they would do if they wanted to end [00:03:17] their work with Europe. But then they [00:03:19] had to go to the next quote unquote [00:03:21] logical option which in their mind was [00:03:24] Ukraine. They're like, "Obviously, yeah, [00:03:25] Ukraine may have every reason to hate [00:03:28] the Nordstream pipelines, to hate the [00:03:31] fact that it was Russia sending cheap [00:03:33] gas to Germany. We've got to cut that [00:03:36] off." And so then that became their next [00:03:38] story, their next prime suspect while [00:03:41] keeping all eyes off of the US. And yet, [00:03:44] when you look at who has benefited from [00:03:46] the bombings of the Nordstream [00:03:48] pipelines, it's the US. because now [00:03:50] instead of buying cheap gas from Russia, [00:03:52] Europe has to turn and buy much more [00:03:55] expensive gas from the United States, [00:03:57] which is exactly what they've done. And [00:04:01] it's kind of crazy sometimes when you [00:04:02] look at the situation in Europe and you [00:04:04] go, they still don't get it. They still [00:04:06] think that the US is for them. They [00:04:09] still think that Washington is an ally [00:04:12] that they can trust and they are just [00:04:14] completely oblivious to all of the ways [00:04:17] in which the US has set them up to fail. [00:04:20] One of the most recent is of course the [00:04:23] fact that you have the Trump [00:04:24] administration with this new scheme that [00:04:27] oh we're not involved in the war in [00:04:29] Ukraine anymore. We are outsourcing it [00:04:31] to Europe. We are selling weapons to [00:04:34] Europe. Europe's going to pay for them [00:04:36] and then they're going to transfer them [00:04:38] over to Ukraine. Basically putting it [00:04:40] off on Europe that they are the ones [00:04:42] directly involved in this proxy war [00:04:44] against Russia while the US is still [00:04:46] providing the military intelligence [00:04:48] sharing with Ukraine. So I don't know [00:04:49] exactly how they expect that to work, [00:04:52] but you look at Europe and you do see [00:04:55] some splintering, right? You do see kind [00:04:58] of an awareness and I think we're [00:05:00] starting to see a version of that. We've [00:05:02] seen it in recent elections with the [00:05:05] parties that are more question or are [00:05:09] asking more questions about the war in [00:05:12] Ukraine, about funding for the war in [00:05:14] Ukraine, that they are starting to get [00:05:16] more and more support and that the [00:05:18] establishment politicians in Europe are [00:05:20] getting a bit of a wakeup call that [00:05:22] okay, we don't have public support fully [00:05:27] in the way that we did back in say 2022 [00:05:29] when they could just point the finger at [00:05:31] Russia. say Russia's the bad guy. They [00:05:33] invaded and then everyone would throw in [00:05:36] their votes to send as much money as [00:05:38] possible to Ukraine. So, I think we're [00:05:41] getting to that point. I also think the [00:05:43] US Empire, while it feels like it has to [00:05:45] be the top dog, I think that ultimately [00:05:47] they're making a mistake by continuing [00:05:49] to throw Europe under the bus. They [00:05:51] don't want Europe to get too powerful. [00:05:53] They certainly don't want an alliance [00:05:56] between the EU and the UK and Russia, [00:05:59] which is what they were so concerned [00:06:01] about at the start of all of this, that [00:06:03] they would see those quote unquote [00:06:05] allies align with Russia and then turn [00:06:08] against the US. But I think going back [00:06:11] to what we were talking about when it [00:06:13] comes to the growing multipolar world [00:06:15] when you have countries like Russia and [00:06:18] China and Iran and you know even India [00:06:20] to a certain extent was wanting to put [00:06:22] aside some differences to work with [00:06:25] China to work with to continue to work [00:06:27] with Russia. When you see those allies [00:06:30] standing together and then you look at [00:06:32] the US and its vassal states in Europe [00:06:35] that are falling apart, I think that the [00:06:37] US is going to live long enough to [00:06:40] regret putting Europe in that position [00:06:43] and to regret not having strong allies [00:06:46] by being so focused on overall primacy, [00:06:50] so focused on we have to be number one, [00:06:52] everyone has to be below us that they're [00:06:55] not seeing the bigger picture. and [00:06:57] really the overall shifting on the world [00:07:00] stage of what happens when you get [00:07:03] multiple countries that are bigger [00:07:05] players that go, "Hey, we we think we [00:07:07] can work together." And then they really [00:07:09] start to take on the US. [00:07:12] Rachel Blevens, thank you so much for [00:07:14] joining us today. It was a pleasure and [00:07:16] I've certainly learned a lot from you. [00:07:18] You have a skill where you can just, you [00:07:20] know, share this information so [00:07:22] eloquently and so calmly and collected. [00:07:24] So, thank you so much. [00:07:26] Yeah, thank you so much for having me [00:07:28] and y'all be sure to give Mess News a [00:07:30] follow and get them to 100,000 [00:07:32] subscribers.