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[00:00:00] What is your price? [00:00:03] Because if your price is not your life, [00:00:09] then you are for sale. [00:00:14] We're here with Roger Stone. Roger, [00:00:16] pardon me not being dressed in a in a [00:00:18] suit today, but you look incredible as [00:00:20] always. Love the shoes. Um, talk to me [00:00:24] about the 2026 election, where things [00:00:26] stand. Well, first of all, in American [00:00:29] politics, particularly today, given the [00:00:31] internet, uh, and mass media, a week is [00:00:34] a lifetime. So, anyone who tries to tell [00:00:37] you definitively what's going to happen [00:00:39] in an event that takes place more than a [00:00:42] year away, they have no idea what he's [00:00:44] talking about. And you don't know what [00:00:46] the factors will be. You don't know what [00:00:48] the economy will be like at that time. [00:00:50] You don't know whether any of the [00:00:52] Russian collusion criminals will be on [00:00:55] their way to justice. uh you don't know [00:00:57] whether we're going to have fair honest [00:00:59] elections which would include electronic [00:01:02] voting machines which cannot be [00:01:04] compromised. So there's a lot of [00:01:06] questions here uh with which you c you [00:01:10] would need the answers before you could [00:01:12] answer the question. The most important [00:01:14] of these in my opinion [00:01:17] is twofold. You have the tax cuts, you [00:01:20] have the regulatory cuts, you have the [00:01:22] trade policies. you're going to get a [00:01:25] much deeper interest rate cut from the [00:01:28] Federal Reserve once we get a [00:01:29] nonpolitical [00:01:31] Federal Reserve Board. So, you're going [00:01:33] to have the underpinnings for a [00:01:35] successful election. But if the election [00:01:37] is not honest, if the vote count is not [00:01:40] fair and honest, it won't matter. So, [00:01:44] the president's laid the groundwork. The [00:01:46] economy is already strong, but it's [00:01:48] going to get stronger. Food prices are [00:01:51] down, but they're not go down as low as [00:01:52] they're going to go. [00:01:54] Gas prices are coming down as you know [00:01:56] very quickly. I think the stage is set [00:01:59] for actually for a great victory. I I [00:02:01] just refuse to give in to those who want [00:02:04] to throw in the towel before we know [00:02:06] enough about uh the the factors [00:02:09] surrounding that election. [00:02:10] >> Do you agree with um the James is James [00:02:13] Carville that it's the economy stupid? [00:02:15] >> It's certainly the most important thing. [00:02:18] People vote their pocketbook. Look, the [00:02:21] president has been a great peacemaker. [00:02:24] Do you think the American voters care [00:02:26] about the war be between Congo and [00:02:28] Rwanda? Is that at the top of their [00:02:30] minds as an issue? No. Foreign policy [00:02:34] has very, very rarely decided our [00:02:37] elections. Two exceptions, World War II [00:02:40] and ultimately the Vietnam War, but only [00:02:42] because it dragged on so long. So even [00:02:44] though the president has an [00:02:45] extraordinary record as a peacemaker and [00:02:48] I do think an end to the Russia Ukraine [00:02:52] uh conflict would be helpful, it's still [00:02:55] the underlying economy, grocery prices, [00:02:59] gas prices, the availability and expense [00:03:02] of housing. [00:03:03] >> The thing I think that people tell me [00:03:06] kind of the the the murmuring around [00:03:08] here is the is the grocery prices is a [00:03:10] big one. And I I didn't see exactly what [00:03:13] the president said, but I think if you [00:03:15] were advising, would you say acknowledge [00:03:17] it or or talk more about that or what's [00:03:19] the solution to that situation? [00:03:21] >> I think it is good that he is now going [00:03:23] out around the country, not just because [00:03:26] he gets a chance to lay out his message, [00:03:28] but also he gets to mix with more [00:03:31] average regular people and hear what [00:03:33] they have to say. If you just look at a [00:03:36] spreadsheet, [00:03:38] the the the reductions are impressive, [00:03:40] but people are not feeling them yet. And [00:03:43] I think he has to hear that from [00:03:45] consumers. He has to hear that from [00:03:47] people [00:03:47] >> face to face. [00:03:48] >> Face to face. Uh on the other hand, I'm [00:03:51] confident that what worked for Reagan [00:03:54] will work for Trump. It's just going to [00:03:56] take a little more time. It's not [00:03:58] instantaneous. What do you make of uh I [00:04:00] think Erica Kirk endorsed uh was it [00:04:03] Vance or made comments about JD Vance. [00:04:05] What's your reaction to that? [00:04:08] >> This is the Republican party. We don't [00:04:10] dump city vice presidents. Reagan was a [00:04:14] great president. George HW Bush not so [00:04:17] great, but we nominated him anyway. So [00:04:20] JD Vance, who I think has been a very [00:04:22] effective vice president, very loyal [00:04:24] vice president. He's going to be our [00:04:26] he's more than likely going to be our [00:04:27] nominee. he chooses to run. I'm more [00:04:30] interested in who our vice presidential [00:04:33] nominee is because that's the future of [00:04:36] the party post advance. [00:04:38] >> Any ideas? [00:04:40] >> I don't want to mention any names, [00:04:41] Telsey Gabin. Uh but I I think we need a [00:04:45] woman on the ticket. Uh, I think that [00:04:48] she's proven her medal in the [00:04:51] declassification [00:04:52] of the Russian collusion documents, [00:04:54] something CIA Director Radcliffe could [00:04:56] have done during the first Trump term, [00:04:58] but didn't. And now she has an important [00:05:01] job of getting to the bottom of the [00:05:05] security and the integrity of the voting [00:05:07] machines. Those are the two hot button [00:05:09] issues for Republican activists. I I saw [00:05:12] when I went to the funeral in Arizona, [00:05:14] Charlie Kirk's funeral, I saw Marco [00:05:16] Rubio speech and I was actually [00:05:17] impressed by it by by Rubio's speech. [00:05:18] What you [00:05:19] >> I like I like Marco Rubio a lot. Uh but [00:05:22] he tells me that he's not interested in [00:05:24] being president or vice president. I [00:05:26] think he's telling the truth. Remember, [00:05:29] he went from the Florida state from [00:05:32] college and law school to the Florida [00:05:34] State Legislature to the speaker's [00:05:36] office directly to the US Senate. who's [00:05:39] never had an opportunity to make any [00:05:40] money. Uh I think two men on the ticket [00:05:44] candidly just as a political handicapper [00:05:46] is a mistake. I take him at his word [00:05:49] when he tells me he's really not [00:05:50] interested in being a candidate for [00:05:52] president. I believe he's committed to [00:05:55] JD Vance. I think he's announced that. [00:05:57] Uh but I do I'm impressed with him. I [00:06:01] think it's important that people realize [00:06:04] uh that our efforts in Venezuela are not [00:06:07] about regime change. [00:06:09] They're about ending the deadly flow of [00:06:12] both fentanyl and cocaine into the [00:06:14] United States, which is coming Venez [00:06:17] through from Venezuela through Honduras [00:06:19] to our shores. Hundreds of millions of [00:06:22] dollars worth of it. Uh, and that is the [00:06:25] reason, that's the principal reason to [00:06:27] take out Venezuela. Venezuela is not a [00:06:29] country. That's not a government. This [00:06:31] is a organized crime operation. I was in [00:06:34] the Pentagon press corps and uh a few [00:06:37] weeks ago and I think Pete Hexit seems [00:06:40] like a pretty standup guy. Why does why [00:06:42] do they hate him so much from your [00:06:44] perspective? [00:06:45] >> Well, I think it's because he has [00:06:47] reversed the decline of our military. [00:06:51] He's done away with the DEI policies. [00:06:54] That's one strong reason. uh also [00:06:57] because he is trying to reform our [00:06:59] military into being what it was supposed [00:07:02] to be, a lethal fighting force with [00:07:05] which to defend American interests. On [00:07:09] top of that, he's very handsome. They [00:07:10] probably [00:07:11] >> They don't like that either. So, you've [00:07:13] been in politics, Roger Stone, here at [00:07:15] Amfest, um for I don't know how many [00:07:17] years now, but 40 50 years. How many How [00:07:20] many years have you been working in [00:07:21] politics? [00:07:21] >> 50 years. [00:07:22] >> 50 years. And you know, I've been doing [00:07:24] this journalism thing for about 20 years [00:07:26] now, but it seems like in the last 5 [00:07:28] years, things have really changed. AI, [00:07:30] Instagram, I mean, everything's now [00:07:32] Charlie's deceased. I'll ask you about [00:07:34] that in a question in a minute. Um, has [00:07:36] that changed how you do political work [00:07:39] and political analysis or the truths [00:07:41] remain the same? No, it's but all you [00:07:44] have to do uh I think is to take the [00:07:47] same principles, the same guide rules, [00:07:50] the the same uh criteria and just apply [00:07:55] them to the new technology. So if you [00:07:58] knew how to design a poster, you know [00:08:00] how to design the splash page of an [00:08:02] internet page. Uh a AI could be both a [00:08:08] great great tool. helps you do political [00:08:11] research much faster. On the other hand, [00:08:13] I do think there should be laws against [00:08:15] impersonation. When I watched the [00:08:17] January 6 committee hearings and I saw [00:08:20] videos of me saying things I never said, [00:08:23] m mixing and matching audio with video [00:08:26] that never even went together, and you [00:08:28] put it through the most rudimentary [00:08:31] AI detection software and they're [00:08:34] completely fraudulent. So, I don't think [00:08:36] you should be able to make a video or an [00:08:39] audio pretending to be Barack Obama or [00:08:42] pretending to be Joe Biden or pretending [00:08:44] to be Donald Trump. [00:08:45] >> That would be a congressional law that [00:08:46] they would have to that they have to do. [00:08:48] >> I think we need a law. [00:08:49] >> I think we need to consider that that [00:08:50] that's something we need to talk about. [00:08:51] Okay. [00:08:52] >> Law against impersonation. [00:08:53] >> Law against impersonation of AI videos. [00:08:55] Um, last question here. Charlie Kirk, [00:08:58] someone painted this. This is actually a [00:09:00] photo of me and him four years ago. He's [00:09:01] wearing the Never Surrender. Talk for a [00:09:03] minute about your relationship with [00:09:05] Charlie. how you met him and thoughts in [00:09:08] the three or four months since he was [00:09:10] murdered. [00:09:11] >> I didn't know Charlie Curry. You and I [00:09:14] have this shared experience of the FBI [00:09:16] storming our homes uh and uh uh seeking [00:09:20] to arrest us. Uh so the morning January [00:09:24] 25th, 2019 on 29 heavily armed FBI [00:09:28] agents in full SWAT gear wearing night [00:09:31] goggles uh and all brandishing M4 [00:09:33] assault weapons stormed my home [00:09:37] uh and carted me off to be fingerprinted [00:09:39] and mugshotted and then took me to [00:09:42] federal courthouse to be arraigned. I [00:09:45] got home in the late afternoon. Uh, by [00:09:49] the way, the claim that I had to be [00:09:50] arrested in this way because I was a [00:09:52] flight risk. Well, why didn't they ask [00:09:54] for any cash bail? I clearly wasn't a [00:09:57] flight risk. But I got home uh and my [00:10:01] phone rang a couple times with a number [00:10:02] I didn't recognize. And I normally don't [00:10:05] answer those, but when they called back [00:10:06] the third time, I answered it. It was [00:10:08] Charlie Kirk. And Charlie Kirk said, "I [00:10:11] saw this. It's terrible. I want you to [00:10:14] know that I'm with you. uh that I'm [00:10:16] going to fight for you. Uh I know you're [00:10:19] gonna I know you plead not guilty. I'm [00:10:20] going to support you. Uh you're probably [00:10:22] going to get railroaded in DC. If you [00:10:25] get railroaded, I'm going to be a public [00:10:28] he called you. [00:10:29] >> Yes. I didn't even know him. We I mean [00:10:31] we knew of each other, but I didn't know [00:10:33] it. But then the most important things [00:10:35] he said was, "At this time, I know what [00:10:37] you're going through is difficult. Put [00:10:39] yourself in the hands of the Lord. Pray [00:10:43] for delivery from these demons. I'm your [00:10:45] friend. I will be here for you. [00:10:48] >> Uh he he found me. I [00:10:49] >> That must have been very touching to [00:10:50] you. [00:10:50] >> It was I I'm deeply grateful to him [00:10:53] because at a time when many other [00:10:54] Republicans were backing away, not too [00:10:57] sure Charlie came forward uh and he was [00:11:01] enormous comfort and help to me and my [00:11:03] family. And after I was convicted in a [00:11:06] Soviet style show trial, he was the [00:11:08] number one advocate. He and Chucker [00:11:10] Carlson. [00:11:11] >> He he seemed to I've heard [00:11:13] >> I've heard this story many times. He [00:11:15] seemed to pick people up when they're [00:11:16] down, [00:11:17] >> which is a Is that not not very common, [00:11:20] is it? [00:11:21] >> No, it really isn't. In fact, the the [00:11:22] exact opposite is is true. People ab [00:11:25] abandon you. In fact, there's a direct [00:11:27] proportion. You know this, the more [00:11:29] you've done to help someone, the faster [00:11:31] they are to abandon you. [00:11:32] >> Right. No good deed goes unpunished. [00:11:34] >> But not with Charlie Kirk. Was there [00:11:36] another gentleman in the 50 years span [00:11:38] of your career who behaved that way that [00:11:40] you can talk about? [00:11:41] >> Tucker Carlson. [00:11:42] >> Tucker Carlson did that as well. [00:11:44] >> Tucker Carlson was a outspoken public [00:11:47] and private advocate. I mean, he [00:11:49] eviscerated the outrageousness of my [00:11:51] unconstitutional trial on air, but [00:11:53] privately. Uh, he was all over the [00:11:56] president to to see justice done in my [00:11:59] case. Anything else you want to say to [00:12:00] the audience here, Roger? [00:12:02] >> I'm sorry I didn't make the party last [00:12:04] night. That's all. [00:12:05] >> I heard it was a little loud. [00:12:07] >> Very loud. Yes. Yes. There was a rooftop [00:12:10] place for people, but uh maybe next [00:12:12] time. [00:12:12] >> I would say this. I'm grateful for your [00:12:14] friendship and always will be. [00:12:16] >> Thank you, Roger. [00:12:18] >> What is your price? [00:12:21] Because if your price is not your life, [00:12:26] then you are for sale.