Vice President JD Vance Remembers Charlie Kirk | Miller, Tucker, RFK Jr., Wiles, Leavitt | 9.15.25

[00:00:01] [Applause] [00:00:03] We're talking to so many voters that [00:00:05] know it is time for change. They know [00:00:07] that something is wrong. America's [00:00:10] future is a series of choices. [00:00:13] >> Our current state of slow motion [00:00:17] national decline is a choice. Today is [00:00:22] our 2-year-old's birthday. [00:00:26] And I look at my daughter and that is my [00:00:28] why. For those that are parents, you [00:00:31] know exactly what I mean. [00:00:32] >> There is no mountain that stands tall as [00:00:36] your faithfulness. [00:00:42] There is no river that runs wide as your [00:00:47] goodness. [00:00:48] [Music] [00:01:00] Man, Charlie, uh, I I remember when we [00:01:04] were starting these out and [00:01:06] >> it was that like that, [00:01:07] >> you know, it was like this. It was like [00:01:08] it was like your average [00:01:10] >> three rows. [00:01:10] >> It was like your average political [00:01:11] meeting where there was like 12 people [00:01:12] in a room and uh, this is this is [00:01:15] awesome. [00:01:19] This, in my personal opinion, was the [00:01:21] most over-the-top Trump event that I've [00:01:25] ever covered. This is the number one [00:01:26] boots on the ground operation in the [00:01:28] country. We're working directly in [00:01:29] harmony with the Trump campaign. It's [00:01:31] been vetted. It's been cleared. It's [00:01:32] been blessed, as you could see there. [00:01:33] And we're going to try to win this [00:01:34] thing. No guarantees. It's what we do [00:01:36] that matters. [00:01:36] >> Mr. President, I can tell you this room [00:01:38] is 100% with you, and we have your back. [00:01:41] God bless you. We really do. Thank you. [00:01:47] [Music] [00:01:50] [Applause] [00:01:52] [Music] [00:01:55] As you know, we are heading on campus [00:01:57] here momentarily at the University of [00:02:00] South Florida, throwing it down with the [00:02:02] students. It's going to be a lot of fun. [00:02:04] Uh we are excited to continue this [00:02:06] cultural movement that we have started [00:02:08] at Turning Point USA. More high school [00:02:10] chapters, more college chapters. And [00:02:13] disagreement is not just welcome, it is [00:02:15] invited. We want to have those tough [00:02:17] conversations. That's what it's all [00:02:18] about. [00:02:20] [Applause] [00:02:21] [Music] [00:02:22] [Applause] [00:02:26] [Music] [00:02:27] [Applause] [00:02:28] [Music] [00:02:41] because you're not supposed to be [00:02:43] involved in this. You're supposed to [00:02:45] just kind of be on the vote for me every [00:02:47] four years, give me more political power [00:02:48] and stay out of my business. And what [00:02:50] has happened is we are seeing an [00:02:52] explosion in citizen participation. [00:02:56] >> There is nothing [00:02:58] [Music] [00:03:00] Follow me [00:03:05] all of my days. [00:03:07] Your mercy follow me. [00:03:13] [Applause] [00:03:14] Oh, there is nothing else [00:03:19] I'll ever need. Knock on that extra [00:03:22] door. Go that extra mile. Talk to that [00:03:25] extra friend. Because throughout voting [00:03:28] month and culminating on the 5th of [00:03:30] November, I believe it will go down as a [00:03:33] day that people remember, as a day that [00:03:36] is written about in history books, as [00:03:38] the final battle from the golden [00:03:40] escalator on down. From defeating [00:03:42] Hillary Clinton, from the nonsense of [00:03:44] 2020, from Butler, Pennsylvania, [00:03:47] November 5th, it all culminates where we [00:03:49] restore the promise that the founders [00:03:52] gave us. and they said, "Hey, if the [00:03:55] people want it, the people get it, and [00:03:57] we the people take back America. God [00:03:59] bless Arizona." And thank you so much. [00:04:04] [Music] [00:04:10] Every day, the American people demand [00:04:14] certain accomplishments and victories. [00:04:16] Disagreement is what keeps a movement [00:04:18] alive, keeps a movement fun. Here in [00:04:21] this country, we are a country of [00:04:23] flourishing. We're a country of [00:04:25] risk-taking. We're a country of [00:04:27] building. We will achieve American [00:04:30] greatness. And we are just getting [00:04:31] started. All my days [00:04:35] your mercy [00:04:38] follow me. [00:04:41] [Music] [00:05:26] [Music] [00:06:11] [Music] [00:06:18] Every day there's a battle for your mind [00:06:20] raging. Information coming from every [00:06:23] angle with the will to deceive. Fear [00:06:26] not. You found the place for truth. The [00:06:28] voice of a generation that still has the [00:06:30] will to believe in the greatest country [00:06:33] in the history of the world. This is the [00:06:36] Charlie Kirk show. Buckle up. Here we [00:06:40] go. [00:06:43] Hey everybody, JD Vance here live from [00:06:46] my office in the White House complex and [00:06:49] filling in for somebody who cannot be [00:06:51] filled in for, but I'm going to try to [00:06:52] do my best. My dear friend, the great [00:06:54] Charlie Kirk. The last several days have [00:06:57] been extremely hard for our country. [00:07:00] They've been hard for me, hard for my [00:07:02] family, hard for the countless people in [00:07:05] this building who knew and love Charlie [00:07:07] Kirk. And of course, they've been [00:07:09] hardest most of all for his darling wife [00:07:11] Erica and their two beautiful children. [00:07:14] The thing is, every single person in [00:07:17] this building, we owe something to [00:07:20] Charlie. He was a joyful warrior for our [00:07:23] country. He loved America. He devoted [00:07:25] himself tirelessly to making our country [00:07:28] a better place. He was a critical part [00:07:31] of getting Donald Trump elected as [00:07:33] president, getting me elected as vice [00:07:35] president. And so much of our success [00:07:37] over the last seven months is due to his [00:07:39] efforts, his staffing, his support, and [00:07:42] his friendship. I don't think that I'm [00:07:44] alone in saying that Charlie was the [00:07:47] smartest political operative I ever met. [00:07:50] Everyone knew him as this fearless [00:07:52] debater, this guy who would take the [00:07:53] conservative message into hostile places [00:07:56] and inspire younger generations to have [00:07:58] courage. One thing that's hit a lot of [00:08:01] those young Americans over the last week [00:08:03] was how Charlie was there for them when [00:08:05] others were not. when they were afraid [00:08:08] to speak their minds, when they were [00:08:10] afraid of what a professor would say, [00:08:11] when they were afraid that they would be [00:08:13] shouted down by their peers, Charlie was [00:08:15] there showing them that they could be [00:08:17] courageous and that they could be bold. [00:08:20] Charlie was a visionary. He was a [00:08:24] luminary. He brought together people. He [00:08:26] didn't just teach people how to speak. [00:08:28] He didn't just teach people what to say. [00:08:30] He didn't just teach people they could [00:08:32] actually speak their mind on campus. [00:08:34] They create he created a whole social [00:08:36] network for an entire generation of [00:08:39] young people. I know people who met [00:08:40] their husband, who met their wife, who [00:08:43] met the best men at their wedding at a [00:08:45] TPUSA event. Because as you guys all [00:08:48] know, it's not just about speaking our [00:08:50] mind. It's about making friends along [00:08:52] the way and creating that support [00:08:54] network that won an election and that [00:08:57] staffed the current federal government. [00:09:00] I owe so much to Charlie. I I've had [00:09:02] friends reach out in just the last [00:09:05] couple of days who sent me messages, [00:09:09] screenshots that they exchanged with [00:09:12] Charlie in the run-up to me getting [00:09:14] selected by the president as his vice [00:09:16] presidential running mate. And it's such [00:09:18] an honor to have people show me that [00:09:21] Charlie said, "We want JD to be the VP [00:09:24] nominee." And I just had a conversation [00:09:26] with the president and I think things [00:09:28] are actually going well. I think he's [00:09:29] actually going to choose JD Vance. Do [00:09:32] you know what it means to me that such a [00:09:34] good guy, such a good friend, such a [00:09:37] lion and visionary of our movement was [00:09:39] advocating for me. So, I wanted to use [00:09:41] this show today to advocate for Charlie, [00:09:44] to talk about him, to talk about what [00:09:46] kind of a guy he was, to talk about what [00:09:48] kind of a man he was, what kind of a [00:09:50] husband and father he was, and to take [00:09:52] people, most of them from inside the [00:09:54] administration, but some of them from [00:09:55] without, who knew Charlie best, and to [00:09:58] talk about what he meant, what he meant [00:10:00] to them, what he meant to this [00:10:02] administration, and what he meant to the [00:10:04] conservative movement. [00:10:06] Now, I was very honored a couple of days [00:10:08] ago on September the 11th, 2025 to fly [00:10:12] out to Utah where Charlie was shot and [00:10:15] killed, to meet his wife, to meet his [00:10:18] mom and his dad, his his sister, all [00:10:20] just incredible people who didn't [00:10:21] deserve to have this happen to them. And [00:10:24] I was also honored to be able to take [00:10:25] Charlie's remains from Utah to Arizona. [00:10:28] It was an amazing, amazing thing. It was [00:10:31] heartbreaking and it was sad and it was [00:10:33] terrible. But what an honor it was for [00:10:35] me and my family to be welcomed in to [00:10:38] the Kirk inner circle at their moment of [00:10:40] grief. There are a few things that I I [00:10:43] want to talk about just from that that [00:10:44] moment. First of all, when I first met [00:10:47] Erica, his lovely wife and such an [00:10:50] incredibly brave soul. I'm not sure if [00:10:52] you saw her remarks after Charlie died. [00:10:54] And if you haven't, I would encourage [00:10:55] you to go and see them because you see [00:10:57] this raw grief and incredible courage [00:11:00] all in the same moment. And that's what [00:11:01] we need right now. We need to grieve, [00:11:03] but we also need this courage in this [00:11:05] moment more than we've ever needed it. [00:11:08] She gave me a hug and she was [00:11:10] heartbroken as of course she would be. [00:11:12] And she said that she loved him so much. [00:11:16] And I said, "Erica, he loved you so [00:11:19] much. He died way too young, but he died [00:11:22] a happy man because of you, because of [00:11:24] the family that you gave him, because of [00:11:26] the home and the life that you guys had [00:11:28] built together. And we sat for about an [00:11:31] hour and we talked about Charlie. And [00:11:33] you know, in these moments, you don't [00:11:34] know what to say. I'm a person who [00:11:36] literally speaks for a living. And I had [00:11:38] no idea what to say. And I didn't try to [00:11:41] console her because how can you console [00:11:43] a person who just lost a loving husband [00:11:45] and father? But we just talked about [00:11:46] Charlie. We talked about who he was. We [00:11:50] talked about some of our favorite [00:11:51] stories. We talked about some of his [00:11:53] idiosyncrasies and all the things that [00:11:55] made Charlie Kirk who he was. And she [00:11:57] said something to me that I will never [00:11:59] forget. My wife was there. It was just [00:12:01] me and my wife on on my side and then a [00:12:04] lot of people from the Turning Points [00:12:05] family, a lot of people from from [00:12:07] Charlie's family. And she said to me [00:12:10] that Charlie never raised his voice, [00:12:13] that he never cussed at her, that he was [00:12:15] never cross or mean-spirited to her. And [00:12:18] look, I am I'm a husband. I'm proud of [00:12:20] being a husband. I think that on the [00:12:21] great balance of things that I'm a [00:12:23] pretty good husband, but I can ne never [00:12:25] say that I was never unpleasant with my [00:12:28] wife. I can never say that I've never [00:12:30] raised my voice to my wife. Like most [00:12:33] husbands, even the good ones were [00:12:35] sometimes imperfect. And I took from [00:12:37] that moment that I needed to be a better [00:12:39] husband and I needed to be a better [00:12:41] father. Because of all these moments [00:12:43] that I share just in the last few days, [00:12:45] the books that I've read to my kids, [00:12:49] going up to their bedroom and kissing [00:12:52] them and hugging them before bed, I I [00:12:54] just realized that all of these moments [00:12:56] that I get to have, Charlie is not able [00:12:59] to have them anymore. And Charlie's kids [00:13:01] and his beautiful wife are not able to [00:13:02] have them anymore. And maybe the best [00:13:04] way that I can contribute and the best [00:13:07] way that I could honor my dear friend is [00:13:09] to be the best husband that I can be. To [00:13:11] be the kind of husband to my wife that [00:13:14] he was to his. You he talked all the [00:13:17] time about the most important thing you [00:13:19] could do is not vote for a particular [00:13:21] candidate. It was to become, if you were [00:13:23] a young man, a husband and a father. He [00:13:25] talked about the joy that came from [00:13:27] fatherhood, the joy that came from [00:13:29] raising a family and being part of of of [00:13:32] of their growth and their development [00:13:34] and all the incredible things that [00:13:35] happen when you get to be a husband and [00:13:37] father. And that is the way that I'm [00:13:39] going to honor my friend is to be the [00:13:41] very best at that most important job [00:13:43] that I can be. But that's not the only [00:13:45] way that I'm going to honor Charlie. And [00:13:48] there's going to be a lot of discussion [00:13:49] over the next two hours of this radio [00:13:51] program about what exactly that looks [00:13:53] like. It's important, and Erica asked me [00:13:56] this, to make sure that his movement, [00:13:58] the movement that Charlie started, it [00:14:00] has to keep going. We have to build upon [00:14:02] it. We have to add to it. We have to [00:14:04] make sure that the next generation of [00:14:05] young people feels confident and [00:14:08] courageous to speak their mind and to [00:14:10] speak the truth. We're going to talk [00:14:11] about that. We're going to talk about [00:14:13] why do we do this? Of course, we do this [00:14:15] so that we can enact good public policy [00:14:17] and take back our country. We're going [00:14:19] to talk with senior officials in the [00:14:20] administration about what we're trying [00:14:22] to do to honor Charlie's legacy in that [00:14:24] way. Of course, we have to make sure [00:14:27] that the killer is brought to justice. [00:14:29] And importantly, we have to talk about [00:14:32] this incredibly destructive movement of [00:14:35] left-wing extremism that has grown up [00:14:37] over the last few years and I believe is [00:14:40] part of the reason why Charlie was [00:14:42] killed by an assassin's bullet. We're [00:14:44] going to talk about how to dismantle [00:14:45] that and how to bring real unity. real [00:14:48] unity that can only come when we tell [00:14:50] the truth and everybody knows that they [00:14:53] can speak their mind about the issues of [00:14:55] the day without being cut down by a [00:14:58] murderer's gun. We're going to talk [00:15:00] about all of those things with friends [00:15:02] of Charlie, with people in the [00:15:03] administration, with people that he [00:15:05] knew. You know, on a podcast a couple of [00:15:07] months back, Charlie was asked about how [00:15:09] he'd want to be remembered if he died. [00:15:11] His answer, I want to be remembered for [00:15:14] courage, for my faith. that would be the [00:15:17] most important thing. The most important [00:15:20] thing is my faith and that was Charlie. [00:15:23] And in this dark moment for our country, [00:15:25] I think that's the greatest lesson any [00:15:27] of us can take from Charlie. To have [00:15:29] faith, to have faith in the Lord and to [00:15:32] be bold [00:15:34] and how we glorify him, to be bold in [00:15:37] our pursuits as Charlie was in his. So, [00:15:40] that's what we're going to spend a [00:15:41] little bit of time doing this afternoon, [00:15:44] keeping this incredible show he created [00:15:47] going and hearing from some of the [00:15:49] people who were so fortunate to call [00:15:50] Charlie a friend. We're going to pay [00:15:52] tribute to his courageous legacy, and [00:15:55] we're going to commit to keep it forever [00:15:58] alive. I'm looking forward to this. Join [00:16:00] us. [00:16:03] [Music] [00:16:30] Why would he see him? Why wouldn't he [00:16:31] see the person is in the chat before [00:16:33] talking about war policy? [00:16:34] >> So, well, time out. Just so we're clear. [00:16:36] I'm sure you've been added to group [00:16:37] chats with 30 or 40 people sometimes and [00:16:39] you enter in with trust that every [00:16:41] acronym is actually a government [00:16:42] official. Obviously, that will not [00:16:44] happen again. Just so we're clear, [00:16:45] Signal was an approved chat by the Biden [00:16:46] administration as an approved secure [00:16:48] channel by talking. [00:16:50] >> However, time out. Let me ask a question [00:16:51] about Pete Hegath. Would you rather have [00:16:53] a war fighter or a bureaucrat run the [00:16:55] United States military? [00:16:56] >> I would rather have somebody that [00:16:58] doesn't have a history of alcoholism. [00:16:59] I'd rather have somebody that I mean [00:17:01] realistically. [00:17:02] >> So, do you think Lloyd How about Mark [00:17:04] Millie and Lloyd Austin? Were they [00:17:05] better at running the US military than [00:17:07] Pete Hags? [00:17:08] >> I mean, I think you're going to probably [00:17:09] start talking about how there's higher [00:17:10] enlistment numbers. So recruitment of [00:17:13] the military is up majorly. Thank you [00:17:15] Pete Hegathth. He's doing a pretty good [00:17:16] job. Number two, procurement. We're [00:17:19] saving money. Estimates are that we'll [00:17:20] save hundreds of billions of dollars in [00:17:22] efficiency. War games are up. We are the [00:17:24] amount of war games we're doing in the [00:17:25] Southeast Pacific has increased by 30%. [00:17:27] This is a military town here in San [00:17:29] Diego. They have a massive increase in [00:17:32] people wanting to join the Navy, want to [00:17:34] join the military. That wasn't happening [00:17:36] under Biden. The morale is actually 30 [00:17:39] points higher now now that Pete Hgsth a [00:17:41] war fighters war fighter is running the [00:17:43] US military. [00:17:43] >> We have a complete difference. We'll [00:17:45] never get agree on. [00:17:46] >> No, but no, not an agree. But show me [00:17:47] then prove the evidence. What is one [00:17:49] number that is worse? The US military [00:17:52] now that Pete Hex's in control. [00:17:53] >> The numbers that you're talking about [00:17:54] are numbers that I actually actively do [00:17:57] not care about because I think that we [00:17:59] have an overly powerful military and I [00:18:01] think too much of our money goes to the [00:18:02] military. [00:18:02] >> I know. Like tell me one thing he's done [00:18:04] like numerically like empirically judge [00:18:07] his performance right what what is one [00:18:10] thing that you could say wow the [00:18:11] Pentagon is in a worst place because of [00:18:13] Pete heath [00:18:14] >> I would say his inconsistent foreign [00:18:16] policy where he backs on statements [00:18:17] depending on whether or not Donald Trump [00:18:19] has heard them or not like in the [00:18:20] beginning we were talking about what [00:18:21] happened with with um Ukraine and Russia [00:18:24] like they've had disagreements already [00:18:25] within the first like couple months of [00:18:27] the administration [00:18:28] >> what first of all the president is the [00:18:30] commander-in-chief so he executes the [00:18:32] running of the military. I'm just saying [00:18:34] that there's the operational manager, [00:18:35] right? And so when you want a military, [00:18:37] you have rec recruitment going up, you [00:18:39] have war games going up, you have morale [00:18:40] going up. You have, by the way, how [00:18:42] about this? Do you agree that physical [00:18:43] fitness standards for men and women [00:18:45] should be the same in the US military? [00:18:47] >> Yes, [00:18:47] >> Pete Hexth is to thank for that. He has [00:18:49] brought physical fitness standards to be [00:18:50] the same for men and women. Lloyd Austin [00:18:52] didn't do that. Mark Millie didn't do [00:18:54] that. Do you also agree that we should [00:18:56] not have like transgender pronoun type [00:18:59] policing of our military members on the [00:19:02] front lines of combat? [00:19:02] >> See, the thing is [00:19:04] >> has gotten rid of all that. But I'm [00:19:05] saying you're trying to make a [00:19:06] contention that he's not qualified. The [00:19:08] military is in a much better place [00:19:10] thanks to him only after a 100 days, [00:19:12] man. And that's the that is the weakest [00:19:14] example of all the ones that you have at [00:19:16] the cabinet. You didn't address Rubio. [00:19:17] You didn't address Gnome. You didn't [00:19:18] address Besson. You didn't address [00:19:20] Lutnik. You didn't address Bobby [00:19:21] Kennedy. You didn't address all these [00:19:22] people. So, I have to continue I can [00:19:24] continue addressing people, [00:19:26] >> but every one of these departments is in [00:19:27] a substantially and an empirically [00:19:29] better place than it was. [00:19:30] >> Okay, including the Department of [00:19:31] Education that's been completely [00:19:32] defunded and somebody who literally [00:19:34] >> I'm so glad it's being defunded. [00:19:36] >> Okay, I get I bet you are, but guess [00:19:37] what? Most Americans aren't. And that's [00:19:39] the reality. [00:19:40] >> Wrong, wrong, wrong. Donald Trump. [00:19:43] >> Okay. Yeah. Just because you have a [00:19:44] bunch of people here saying that doesn't [00:19:45] mean that's [00:19:46] >> Let me prove it to you. Donald Trump ran [00:19:47] on a pledge to get rid of the Department [00:19:49] of Education. We can agree with that. Uh [00:19:50] >> I No. Yes or no? [00:19:53] Yes. [00:19:53] >> Yes. He won a popular vote. The vast [00:19:56] majority of people voted knowing that [00:19:58] the Department of Education was going to [00:20:00] get eliminated. [00:20:00] >> If you truly believe that the vast [00:20:01] majority of people were educated enough [00:20:03] about the fact of Donald Trump voters [00:20:06] aren't very smart. Now that's what we're [00:20:07] going after. [00:20:08] >> No, I'm simply just responding to what [00:20:10] you said. What you said [00:20:12] >> insult the voters. They don't know. [00:20:13] >> No, a lot I know a lot of people that [00:20:15] voted for Trump who had absolutely no [00:20:16] idea that he was going to defund the And [00:20:18] of course, this is just an anecdote, but [00:20:19] I know that that this is the truth. Not [00:20:21] everybody when they vote looks at every [00:20:23] single little thing and every little [00:20:25] aspect like you and I might of why we [00:20:27] would vote for somebody like we're both [00:20:29] political commentators. [00:20:30] >> So the fine and and as a political [00:20:32] commentator then I will I will argue [00:20:34] more forcefully against you because now [00:20:36] you're not just like a college kid [00:20:37] searching for this. Has education [00:20:39] America improved or gotten worse since [00:20:42] the department of education was formed? [00:20:43] >> It has literally been 3 months. I have [00:20:45] absolutely [00:20:45] >> no since the department of education was [00:20:47] formed in the 70s. We we now have 50 [00:20:50] years of evidence. Has American [00:20:52] education gotten better since we've had [00:20:54] a Department of Education or has it [00:20:55] gotten worse? [00:20:56] >> I personally don't think that that has [00:20:58] to do with Department of Education. I [00:21:01] >> Well, well, when you spend when you've [00:21:03] spent over $4.5 trillion with one [00:21:06] federal department and we have 30 [00:21:08] schools in Chicago where a fifth grader [00:21:10] cannot read at grade level. We have 35 [00:21:14] schools in Baltimore where kids cannot [00:21:15] do math or reading at grade level. We [00:21:17] have cannot find a single school, not a [00:21:20] single school in in downtown Detroit [00:21:22] where by the time they graduate high [00:21:23] school in the heavily black areas that [00:21:25] they're proficient in reading or math. [00:21:27] We are now like 30. [00:21:46] Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. [00:21:48] This is Vice President JD Vance. Joining [00:21:50] me now is Stephen Miller, White House [00:21:52] Deputy Chief of Staff, dear friend of [00:21:53] mine and dear friend of Charlie Kirks. [00:21:56] And uh before I get into the [00:21:58] nitty-gritty of what I wanted to talk [00:21:59] with Stephen about, you know, there's a [00:22:01] lot of questions about the [00:22:02] investigation, where we are in the [00:22:03] investigation, I want to be respectful [00:22:05] to the FBI's process, but just know that [00:22:08] we are on top of this and the entire [00:22:09] administration is trying to do as much [00:22:11] as possible to find everything that we [00:22:14] can about what led to this, about how we [00:22:16] got here, and of course, ultimately how [00:22:18] an assassin took Charlie's life. I [00:22:20] wanted to zoom out with Stephen a little [00:22:21] bit and talk about all of the ways that [00:22:24] we're trying to figure out how to [00:22:26] prevent this festering violence that you [00:22:29] see on the far left from becoming even [00:22:31] more and more mainstream. And you know, [00:22:33] before I I do that, Stephen, I want to [00:22:35] do this with every guest because you're [00:22:36] a friend of Charlie's. And one of the [00:22:38] things I'm hoping that people get out of [00:22:39] this is an understanding for the kind of [00:22:41] guy that Charlie was, who he was. And so [00:22:43] before I talk to you about what we're [00:22:45] doing to try to prevent something like [00:22:46] this from happening again, maybe you [00:22:49] could just talk about why you love [00:22:50] Charlie, what memories you have of him, [00:22:52] something that would give our audience a [00:22:54] sense of what he was behind the [00:22:56] microphone. [00:22:57] >> Yeah, [00:22:59] I've known Charlie for 10 years. He was [00:23:02] a treasured friend. And you know his [00:23:07] this is going to sound [00:23:09] he made he made you believe more in [00:23:12] yourself is the best way I could put [00:23:14] that. [00:23:15] >> That's right. [00:23:16] >> The he he was your biggest cheerleader. [00:23:20] He would if I was working on a hard [00:23:22] project, an important executive order, a [00:23:25] major new initiative, he would give me [00:23:27] the strength and the focus to get it [00:23:30] done. [00:23:30] >> That's right. He was everybody's [00:23:33] um supporter, enthusiast, cheerleader, [00:23:36] promoter. Uh he made all of us better [00:23:39] every single day. You know, my uh the [00:23:42] memory that I keep turning to is not a [00:23:46] single memory. It's a period of a couple [00:23:48] months after we won the election. And [00:23:51] Charlie was in the campaign or the [00:23:53] transition office every single day and [00:23:56] from dawn till dusk volunteering his [00:23:59] time to get into the weeds, the [00:24:02] nitty-gritty of government. And he was [00:24:04] so damn excited. I mean, it just it it [00:24:08] really hurts to think about it right [00:24:09] now. He was so excited about all of us [00:24:12] being here. and we would be talking [00:24:14] about every executive order, every new [00:24:16] regulation, every new policy plan. I [00:24:19] just it was such a thrill for me to get [00:24:22] to spend a few months of my life because [00:24:23] you know he came from the the nonprofit [00:24:25] the activist world I came from the [00:24:27] government world and in this transition [00:24:30] to be able to work hand in hand take all [00:24:32] of his ideas from being the leader of [00:24:34] TPUSA spending time with college [00:24:36] students spending time with activists [00:24:38] and then be able to be with us at the [00:24:39] transition to plan out the next step of [00:24:41] our government that was an experience [00:24:43] for which I will always be grateful and [00:24:44] and the last thing I'll say is that to [00:24:46] my earlier point Charlie would send me [00:24:47] messages all the time just saying, you [00:24:51] know, great work or here's a new idea or [00:24:53] here's what I think will take this to [00:24:54] the next level. And I took him all to [00:24:56] heart and [00:24:58] um God, I just love the man so much. [00:25:01] >> He was he was our biggest supporter, [00:25:03] Stephen, but he was also if he [00:25:04] disagreed, he would figure out how to [00:25:07] get us [00:25:08] >> to get where he wanted us to get. [00:25:10] >> Always such a big cheerleader. [00:25:12] Absolutely right. The darkest moments in [00:25:14] my life, it was Charlie who was on the [00:25:15] phone saying, "Don't let him get to you. [00:25:17] keep on fighting, keep on going. You're [00:25:19] absolutely right. So, I want to be [00:25:21] mindful of time here. A lot of people [00:25:24] are very worried about how we got here [00:25:26] in the first place. And you have the [00:25:27] crazies on the far left who are saying, [00:25:29] "Oh, Steven Miller and JD Vance, they're [00:25:31] going to go after constitutionally [00:25:32] protected speech." No, no, no. We're [00:25:34] going to go after the NGO network that [00:25:37] fermentss, facilitates, and engages in [00:25:40] violence. That's not okay. Violence is [00:25:43] not okay in our system. And we want to [00:25:45] make it less likely that that happens. [00:25:47] walk me through at a high level like [00:25:49] what you and I have been working on, [00:25:51] what the whole administration has been [00:25:52] working on to try to make sure that we [00:25:54] don't reward and promote this craziness. [00:25:57] >> Yes. So, it's an excellent question. [00:25:58] I've said this before and um but it [00:26:01] bears repeating. The last message that [00:26:04] Charlie sent me was um I think it was [00:26:07] just the day before we lost him, which [00:26:10] is that we need to have an organized [00:26:11] strategy to go after the leftwing [00:26:13] organizations that are promoting [00:26:14] violence in this country. And [00:26:17] I will write those words onto my heart [00:26:19] and I will carry them out. People ask [00:26:21] me, you know, what emotions I'm feeling [00:26:23] right now. This is something people say. [00:26:25] I mean, you kind of know the answer. [00:26:26] There's incredible sadness, but there's [00:26:28] incredible anger. And the thing about [00:26:32] anger is that unfocused anger or blind [00:26:34] rage is not a productive emotion. [00:26:36] >> Right? [00:26:37] >> But focused anger, righteous anger [00:26:39] directed for a just cause is one of the [00:26:42] most important agents of change in human [00:26:43] history. [00:26:45] >> Showed that. Amen. [00:26:46] >> And we are going to channel all of the [00:26:48] anger that we have over the organized [00:26:52] campaign that led to this assassination [00:26:55] to uproot and dismantle these terrorist [00:26:57] networks. So, let me explain a little [00:26:58] bit what that means. So, [00:27:00] >> got 30 seconds, so be quick, Stephen. [00:27:02] the the organized doxing campaigns, the [00:27:05] organized riots, the organized street [00:27:07] violence, the organized campaigns of [00:27:09] dehumanization, vilification, posting [00:27:11] people's addresses, combining that with [00:27:13] messaging that's designed to trigger [00:27:15] incite violence, and the actual [00:27:16] organized cells that carry out and [00:27:18] facilitate the violence. It is a vast [00:27:20] domestic terror movement. And with God [00:27:22] as my witness, we are going to use every [00:27:24] resource we have at the Department of [00:27:26] Justice, Homeland Security, and [00:27:28] throughout this government to identify, [00:27:30] disrupt, dismantle, and destroy these [00:27:32] networks and make America safe again for [00:27:33] the American people. It will happen, and [00:27:35] we will do it in Charlie's name. [00:27:36] >> Thank you, Stephen. Don't go away. I'll [00:27:38] be joined by a guest of friends just in [00:27:40] a few seconds. See you soon. [00:27:44] [Music] [00:28:01] Why wouldn't he see him? Why wouldn't he [00:28:02] see the person is in the chat before [00:28:03] talking about war policy? [00:28:05] >> So, well, time out. Just so we're clear. [00:28:07] I'm sure you've been added to group [00:28:08] chats with 30 or 40 people sometimes and [00:28:10] you enter in with trust that every [00:28:12] acronym is actually a government [00:28:13] official. Obviously, that will not [00:28:15] happen again. Just so we're clear, [00:28:16] Signal was an approved chat by the Biden [00:28:17] administration. It's an approved secure [00:28:19] channel by talking. [00:28:21] >> However, time out. Let me ask a question [00:28:22] about Pete Hexad. Would you rather have [00:28:24] a war fighter or a bureaucrat run the [00:28:26] United States military? [00:28:27] >> I would rather have somebody that [00:28:28] doesn't have a history of alcoholism. [00:28:30] I'd rather have somebody that I mean, [00:28:32] realistically. [00:28:33] >> So, do you think Lloyd How about Mark [00:28:34] Millie and Lloyd Austin? Were they [00:28:36] better at running the US military than [00:28:38] Pete Haggsth? [00:28:39] >> I mean, I think you're going to probably [00:28:40] start talking about how there's higher [00:28:41] enlistment numbers. [00:28:43] >> So, recruitment in the military is up. [00:28:45] majorly. Thank you, Pete Hexathth. He's [00:28:46] doing a pretty good job. Number two, [00:28:49] procurement. We're saving money. [00:28:50] Estimates are that we'll save hundreds [00:28:52] of billions of dollars in efficiency. [00:28:53] War games are up. We are The amount of [00:28:55] war games we're doing in the Southeast [00:28:57] Pacific has increased by 30%. This is a [00:28:59] military town here in San Diego. They [00:29:01] have a massive increase in people [00:29:03] wanting to join the Navy, want to join [00:29:05] the military. That wasn't happening [00:29:07] under Biden. The morale is actually 30 [00:29:10] points higher now. Now now that Pete [00:29:11] Hgsth a war fighters war fighter is [00:29:13] running the US military. [00:29:14] >> We have a complete difference. We'll [00:29:16] never get agree on. [00:29:17] >> No, but no, not an agree. But show me [00:29:18] then prove the evidence. What is one [00:29:20] number that is worse? The US military [00:29:22] now that Pete Hex says in control. [00:29:24] >> The numbers that you're talking about [00:29:25] are numbers that I actually actively do [00:29:28] not care about because I think that we [00:29:30] have an overly powerful military and I [00:29:32] think too much of our money goes to the [00:29:33] military. [00:29:33] >> I know. Like tell me one thing he's done [00:29:35] like numerically like empirically judge [00:29:38] his performance right what what is one [00:29:40] thing that you could say wow the [00:29:42] Pentagon is in a worst place because of [00:29:44] Pete heath [00:29:45] >> I would say his inconsistent foreign [00:29:46] policy where he backs on statements [00:29:48] depending on whether or not Donald Trump [00:29:50] has heard them or not like in the [00:29:51] beginning we were talking about what [00:29:52] happened with with um Ukraine and Russia [00:29:55] like they've had disagreements already [00:29:56] within the first like couple months of [00:29:58] the administration [00:29:59] >> what first of all the president is the [00:30:01] commander-in-chief so he executes the [00:30:03] running of the military. I'm just saying [00:30:05] that there has the operational manager, [00:30:06] right? And so when you want a military, [00:30:08] you have rec recruitment going up. You [00:30:10] have war games going up. You have morale [00:30:11] going up. You have, by the way, how [00:30:12] about this? Do you agree that physical [00:30:14] fitness standards for men and women [00:30:16] should be the same in the US military? [00:30:18] >> Yes. [00:30:18] >> Pete Hexth is to thank for that. He has [00:30:20] brought physical fitness standards to be [00:30:21] the same for men and women. Lloyd Austin [00:30:23] didn't do that. Mark Millie didn't do [00:30:25] that. Do you also agree that we should [00:30:27] not have like transgender pronoun type [00:30:30] policing of our military members on the [00:30:32] front lines of combat? [00:30:33] >> See, the thing is [00:30:35] >> has gotten rid of all that. But I'm [00:30:36] saying you're trying to make a [00:30:37] contention that he's not qualified. The [00:30:39] military is in a much better place. [00:30:41] Thanks, Tim. Only after a 100 days, man. [00:30:43] And that's the that is the weakest [00:30:45] example of all the ones that you have of [00:30:46] the cabinet. You didn't address Rubio. [00:30:48] You didn't address Gnome. You didn't [00:30:49] address Bessant. You didn't address [00:30:50] Lutnik. You didn't address Bobby [00:30:52] Kennedy. You didn't address all these [00:30:53] people. So I have to ask I can continue [00:30:56] addressing people, [00:30:57] >> but every one of these departments is in [00:30:58] a substantially and an empirically [00:31:00] better place than it was. [00:31:00] >> Okay, including the Department of [00:31:02] Education that's been completely [00:31:03] defunded and somebody who literally [00:31:05] >> I'm so glad it's being defunded. [00:31:07] >> Okay, I get I bet you are. But guess [00:31:08] what? Most Americans aren't. And that's [00:31:10] the reality. [00:31:11] >> Wrong, wrong, wrong. Donald Trump. [00:31:13] >> Okay. Yeah. Just because you have a [00:31:14] bunch of people here saying that doesn't [00:31:16] mean that's [00:31:16] >> Let me prove it to you. Donald Trump ran [00:31:18] on a pledge to get rid of the Department [00:31:19] of Education. We can agree with that. Uh [00:31:21] >> I No. Yes or no? [00:31:24] Yes. [00:31:24] >> Yes. He won a popular vote. The vast [00:31:27] majority of people voted knowing that [00:31:29] the Department of Education was going to [00:31:30] get eliminated. [00:31:31] >> If you truly believe that the vast [00:31:32] majority of people were educated enough [00:31:34] about the fact of Donald Trump voters [00:31:36] aren't very smart now. That's what we're [00:31:38] going after. [00:31:39] >> No, I'm simply just responding to what [00:31:41] you said. What you said? [00:31:43] >> Insult the voters. They don't know. [00:31:44] >> No, a lot I know a lot of people that [00:31:46] voted for Trump who had absolutely no [00:31:47] idea that he was going to defund the And [00:31:49] of course, this is just an anecdote, but [00:31:50] I know that that this is the truth. Not [00:31:52] everybody when they vote looks at every [00:31:54] single little thing and every little [00:31:56] aspect like you and I might of why we [00:31:58] would vote for somebody like we're both [00:31:59] political commentators and fine and and [00:32:02] as a political commentator then I will I [00:32:04] will argue more forcefully against you [00:32:06] because now you're not just like a [00:32:08] college kid searching for this. Has [00:32:10] education America improved or gotten [00:32:12] worse since the department of education [00:32:14] was formed? [00:32:14] >> It has literally been three months. I [00:32:16] have absolutely [00:32:16] >> no since the department of education was [00:32:18] formed in the 70s. We we now have 50 [00:32:21] years of evidence. Has American [00:32:23] education gotten better since we've had [00:32:24] a Department of Education or has it [00:32:26] gotten worse? [00:32:27] >> I personally don't think that that has [00:32:29] to do with Department of Education. I [00:32:32] >> Well, well, when you spend when you've [00:32:33] spent over $4.5 trillion with one [00:32:36] federal department and we have 30 [00:32:39] schools in Chicago where a fifth grader [00:32:41] cannot read at grade level. We have 35 [00:32:44] schools in Baltimore where kids cannot [00:32:46] do math or reading at grade level. We [00:32:48] have cannot find a single school, not a [00:32:51] single school in in downtown Detroit [00:32:53] where by the time they graduate high [00:32:54] school in the heavily black areas that [00:32:56] they're proficient in reading or math. [00:32:58] We are now like 30 [00:33:09] [Music] [00:33:17] on air and on fire for the preservation [00:33:20] of our nation. The Charlie Kirk Show. [00:33:25] >> Welcome back. This is vice president of [00:33:27] these United States, JD Vance, your host [00:33:29] for today's Charlie Kirk show. Joining [00:33:32] me now, and I'm excited about this one, [00:33:33] are a few guys who, like me, were lucky [00:33:35] enough to call Charlie their friend. I [00:33:38] have Taylor Budawich, the White House [00:33:40] deputy chief of staff. Kayn Door in the [00:33:43] middle is the White House deputy [00:33:45] communications director, and Andrew Kulv [00:33:47] is Charlie's longtime friend and the [00:33:49] executive producer of this show. [00:33:51] Gentlemen, thanks so much for joining [00:33:52] me. Thanks for being a dear friend to [00:33:54] Charlie. And I thought what I'd start [00:33:56] with is, you know, we all knew Charlie [00:33:57] the man, not just Charlie the [00:33:59] personality or Charlie the celebrity or [00:34:01] Charlie the guy who did debates on [00:34:03] college campuses. I want to start with [00:34:05] with you, Taylor. What's something that [00:34:07] you wish people knew about Charlie that [00:34:09] they don't if they just watched his [00:34:11] clips on on X or YouTube or wherever? [00:34:14] >> With Charlie, what you see is what you [00:34:15] get? And I think that was true even from [00:34:17] my first interactions with him on the [00:34:20] 2020 presidential campaign. We'd be do [00:34:23] always be doing these fundraisers. Don [00:34:26] Jr., Kimberly Gilfoil, who was the Trump [00:34:28] Victory Finance chair, would host these [00:34:30] big fundraising events. Charlie was [00:34:32] always the the first one to show up. Um, [00:34:35] and we would do these team events where [00:34:37] we make calls all day. And you'd always [00:34:39] want Charlie on your team because the [00:34:41] guy would get there first, make as many [00:34:43] calls, and he was the best fundraiser [00:34:44] that that we had. But, you know, we have [00:34:48] the not just the privilege of being [00:34:50] Charlie's friend, but seeing what he's [00:34:52] built through Turning Point and it [00:34:54] became personal to me when my sister who [00:34:58] we're from California [00:35:00] um and, you know, has trying to find her [00:35:03] way politically and said, you know, I [00:35:05] want to get involved and we have the [00:35:06] benefit of we can go to any event, any [00:35:08] rally, any intimate setting. Um, and I [00:35:11] said, you know what, there's a the the [00:35:13] young women's event that he hosts in in [00:35:15] Dallas. and said, "How about we go to [00:35:17] Dallas?" And one of the reasons why [00:35:19] Charlie's events, I think, have been so [00:35:21] successful and why this this [00:35:23] organization has been so successful is [00:35:26] he makes makes these events approachable [00:35:28] to the person that hasn't done politics [00:35:31] before, hasn't been engaged, but is [00:35:34] curious and thinks maybe something is [00:35:36] going wrong with the country. maybe that [00:35:38] there's a way to get involved that's not [00:35:41] the big rallies that that that's not you [00:35:43] know standing in lines for a long time [00:35:45] but just and for my sister it was for a [00:35:48] conference room of girls listening to [00:35:50] Taylor Swift music during breaks and uh [00:35:53] kind of having approachable but then [00:35:55] also talking about life talking about [00:35:56] family talking about you know at at this [00:36:00] event you know just relationships and [00:36:02] starting to to build a path for young [00:36:06] people that is both approachable but [00:36:09] informed and and thoughtful. And so for [00:36:12] me it was it was an ability and an [00:36:14] opportunity for me to share with my [00:36:16] sister something that I get to [00:36:17] experience all the time and and I think [00:36:19] it was something that she really [00:36:20] appreciated and I know millions of young [00:36:24] people are appreciating and by the looks [00:36:26] of the signups the signups pretty good [00:36:28] and they're going to appreciate a lot [00:36:29] more. [00:36:30] >> Yeah, we'll talk about that Andrew. So [00:36:31] it sounds like there's been this blowout [00:36:33] of interest in Turning Points USA and [00:36:35] the mission. You know, one of the things [00:36:36] I really hope is that this assassin [00:36:39] didn't silence Charlie's movement, and I [00:36:41] think that's the best way for us to [00:36:42] honor him is to keep it going. You're [00:36:44] one of the critical people at TPUSA. [00:36:46] Tell us a little bit about Charlie, but [00:36:48] also about what you've seen in the wake [00:36:49] of Charlie's assassination. [00:36:51] >> Yeah. Um, [00:36:52] you know, to put things in perspective, [00:36:54] you know, there are, I guess, currently [00:36:58] 900 official chapters of Turning Point [00:37:01] on campuses. And that's, you know, when [00:37:03] you get it about 900, 920 give or take, [00:37:06] kids graduate, you got to kind of [00:37:08] rebuild a few chapters. That's about [00:37:09] what you're going to get to. And we have [00:37:11] 1,200 uh high school chapters, which was [00:37:13] our big new initiative. And we were [00:37:15] really proud when we the high school [00:37:17] chapters eclipsed the college chapters [00:37:19] because we were known as the college. [00:37:21] >> And so there's about 23,000 [00:37:24] uh high schools in America. 23 24,000. [00:37:27] >> And I'll I'll never forget this. This is [00:37:28] a really funny moment a couple weeks ago [00:37:30] in Aspen and Charlie was like, "We are [00:37:34] going to have a Club America, which is [00:37:35] the high school brand on all uh all at [00:37:39] 23,000." He didn't know the number. This [00:37:40] is actually part of the story. We're [00:37:41] going to have it on every high school [00:37:42] campus in America. And his, you know, [00:37:44] the team is going, "Oh my gosh." And [00:37:47] Charlie goes, "We're going to have [00:37:48] 35,000 [00:37:50] high school chapters." And, you know, he [00:37:52] just threw out this big like stretch [00:37:54] goal, you know, like. And uh and you [00:37:56] know, we're like, "Oh, Charlie." and the [00:37:58] whole team's freaking out cuz that's a [00:37:59] that's a huge lift. And uh and he goes, [00:38:02] "They have to be on every every single [00:38:03] high school campus." And then I I'm I'm [00:38:06] sitting next to him, I look at it and I [00:38:07] Google it and it was like there's 23,000 [00:38:09] uh high schools in America, Charlie. He [00:38:11] goes, "Oh, okay. 20 23,000. We're going [00:38:14] to be on every single one." And then [00:38:16] that, you know, the team got him [00:38:17] eventually to say, "Okay, the the big [00:38:19] stretch goal is 10,000." And um it was [00:38:22] amazing because now I I tweeted out and [00:38:24] it's it's I don't know it's like 10 [00:38:26] million views or something. It like I [00:38:28] think it made people feel good because [00:38:31] we now have uh 37,000 applications to [00:38:36] start chapters around the country. And [00:38:39] um you know it almost brings a tear to [00:38:41] your eye because that moment is like we [00:38:44] all remember all the whole team we were [00:38:45] all in a ballroom going through a [00:38:46] presentation together and he was adamant [00:38:49] we are going to be on every high school [00:38:51] in America and um he's going to be [00:38:54] proven right. [00:38:55] >> That's right. Well he was in a lot of [00:38:57] ways as you guys know the ultimate [00:38:58] cheerleader and he saw in you things [00:39:01] that you didn't necessarily see in [00:39:02] yourself. He was a true friend in that [00:39:03] way. And I I remember, you know, one one [00:39:06] particularly difficult moment, probably [00:39:08] the hardest moment on the campaign trail [00:39:10] for me. We had an event in Arizona, I [00:39:13] believe, with a bunch of faith leaders. [00:39:15] And it was it was the one time on the [00:39:18] entire national campaign where I gave my [00:39:21] chief of staff a hug and apologized to [00:39:23] him because I was just at a, you know, I [00:39:25] hadn't seen the kids in seven days. I [00:39:26] was particularly cranky. And I get to [00:39:29] this event, I'm just kind of like, man, [00:39:30] come on. We got to do this again. And [00:39:32] Charlie comes back and he gives me a hug [00:39:34] and he's like, you know, your kids, you [00:39:36] know, they love you and they're going to [00:39:37] realize eventually why this was so [00:39:39] important to do this. And that kind of [00:39:40] gave me this sense of, all right, my [00:39:43] head's back in the game. And that was [00:39:44] what Charlie was always good at, setting [00:39:46] ridiculous objectives, but finding some [00:39:48] way to motivate people to go after it, [00:39:50] even though it was, you know, it seemed [00:39:52] unattainable until you got a little [00:39:55] Charlie Kirk pep talk. Kaylin, what was [00:39:56] your uh what's what's the thing you miss [00:39:59] the most about Charlie? What do you what [00:40:00] do you what do you think is the is the [00:40:02] most difficult part of replacing the [00:40:03] great Charlie Kirk? [00:40:05] >> Well, I think you know you mentioned him [00:40:06] being everyone's best cheerleader and I [00:40:09] uh the last time I saw him and I have a [00:40:10] lot of peace in my heart because I had a [00:40:13] very good interaction with him as we [00:40:14] always do. Uh I was wandering the [00:40:16] hallways of the EOB and I must have had [00:40:18] a horrible look on my face and he [00:40:21] literally he he jumped down the stairs. [00:40:24] He put his hand on my shoulder and he [00:40:26] said, "What's going on?" And I just [00:40:27] mentioned, man, you know, my baby's 6 [00:40:29] months old. We are going through it. We [00:40:32] are really I'm struggling, man. And uh [00:40:34] he sat there and he prayed for me in the [00:40:36] halls of the EOB uh for quite a bit of [00:40:38] time. And he didn't need to do that, [00:40:40] right? You know, it could have been a [00:40:41] quick check-in. Um and I asked him, I [00:40:44] said, "Dude, how do you do it? How are [00:40:47] you doing it? You're killing it. You're [00:40:48] a great dad. You guys are doing an [00:40:49] amazing job at Turning Point. I think [00:40:51] you're doing everything you can." And he [00:40:53] looks at me and says, "I have a great [00:40:54] team." And I laughed and I said, 'Cool. [00:40:57] So, are you going to donate to the [00:40:58] Kalindor Nanny Fund after this? And he [00:41:00] said, 'N no, that's not what I'm talking [00:41:02] about. I have a great team. I said, 'You [00:41:04] and JD and and everyone here in this [00:41:06] building are part of the team. And uh I [00:41:09] know that he would be very, you know, [00:41:10] excited to see all the work that we have [00:41:12] going on here in the administration, but [00:41:14] also all the the the testimonials. I [00:41:17] mean, like I don't know how the guy had [00:41:18] the bandwidth. like the the sheer volume [00:41:21] of people whose lives he touched uh that [00:41:23] we're just now discovering is is out of [00:41:25] control. And I think, you know, growing [00:41:28] up, we didn't have a turning point. We [00:41:29] didn't have a Charlie. We didn't have [00:41:30] these kind of people in our lives who [00:41:32] who dedicated and put in the blood, [00:41:34] sweat, and tears to go make sure that [00:41:35] that this was a thing that existed for [00:41:37] people like us. And um you know the the [00:41:41] lasting message is that and you know [00:41:43] I've I think I've said this at Turning [00:41:45] Point events before is that the left [00:41:47] wins the the enemy they win when when [00:41:49] you feel alone and when you feel like [00:41:51] you're the only one who thinks, eats, [00:41:53] prays, breathes, lives the way that you [00:41:55] do. And Charlie was so great at at [00:41:59] connecting those dots and connecting [00:42:00] human beings. I mean our friendships are [00:42:03] all stronger because of him with one [00:42:04] another. But people I mean like I've [00:42:06] never met Andrew, but I know I've talked [00:42:08] to him through Charlie for years. [00:42:10] >> Y [00:42:10] >> and he was so great at doing that. So I [00:42:12] think it's our mission to go out there [00:42:14] and embolden young conservatives, young [00:42:16] Christians, most importantly to go out [00:42:18] there and continue to do his work [00:42:19] because it's exactly what he would want. [00:42:21] He would want you to go find five people [00:42:23] who don't believe in Jesus that day and [00:42:25] and and give them, you know, a good a [00:42:27] good lecturing and and and walk them [00:42:28] through everything in a way that is [00:42:30] respectful and is, you know, grounded in [00:42:32] fact. And uh I don't know how we replace [00:42:35] that, but I think the energy that I'm [00:42:36] seeing amongst people uh is just [00:42:39] palpable. It's it's insane. [00:42:42] >> There was this incredible hope at the [00:42:44] core of Charlie's character that you [00:42:46] could solve so many problems just by [00:42:49] communicating with people. Like if he [00:42:51] wanted to introduce somebody to God, he [00:42:52] would just go and talk to them. If he [00:42:54] wanted to introduce them to a new idea, [00:42:55] he would just go and talk to them. And [00:42:57] it's what makes this particularly tragic [00:42:59] is that he was doing the very thing that [00:43:01] he loved, the very thing that led him to [00:43:03] inspire so many people. And that's when [00:43:05] they tried to cut him down at his [00:43:06] strongest, doing the most important [00:43:08] thing that he was doing for our country. [00:43:10] I mean, Taylor, you mentioned his sister [00:43:12] or your sister going to a turning points [00:43:14] event. And the thing about Charlie, and [00:43:16] this is again something I don't know [00:43:17] that people fully appreciate unless you [00:43:19] knew him particularly well, is he was [00:43:21] such a bright guy, right? He read [00:43:23] theology and he read political [00:43:24] philosophy and he knew all these like [00:43:26] crazy citations and you he knew like [00:43:29] every Bible verse for every particular [00:43:30] case or he knew something that was [00:43:32] written by some 15th century political [00:43:34] philosophy like Charlie where the hell [00:43:35] did you get that from? He's like I just [00:43:37] read a lot of books but he could also [00:43:39] deal with people at the level who didn't [00:43:41] know anything about politics who were [00:43:43] curious who loved their country. They [00:43:44] wanted to make it better. Taylor, talk a [00:43:46] little bit about that about because [00:43:47] Taylor, those of you who don't know, is [00:43:50] the lead in our communication shop here [00:43:51] in the White House. He knows more about [00:43:53] talking to people than pretty much [00:43:54] anybody in the White House, or at least [00:43:55] that's what you're supposed to know more [00:43:57] than any anybody else about. But like, [00:43:59] talk about Charlie the communicator [00:44:02] because that's one of the things that [00:44:03] made him who he was. [00:44:04] >> That I'm going to tie two things that [00:44:05] they said together because uh Kayn's [00:44:09] right. We didn't have a Charlie Kirk [00:44:11] growing up. We had Barry Goldwater and [00:44:14] Reagan. two guys that we barely were [00:44:16] alive to to to know or overlap with. Um, [00:44:20] the future has Charlie Kirk. And you [00:44:24] know, before Wednesday, Charlie Kirk was [00:44:28] a young man inspiring young people. [00:44:32] After he was killed, he has become a [00:44:34] titan whose inspiration will move [00:44:37] through eternity, inspiring millions of [00:44:41] people for decades to come. And he does [00:44:44] it through both the understanding of [00:44:47] biblical terms. I mean, I I I spent I'm [00:44:51] sure like a lot of people this weekend [00:44:53] spent my weekend scrolling through old [00:44:55] videos of Charlie and and one really [00:44:58] really hit me the story of um Jesus uh [00:45:02] meeting the prostitute where he says, [00:45:04] you know, though those without sin cast [00:45:06] the first stone. And he Charlie points [00:45:09] out, everyone forgets what he says next. [00:45:11] And he says to the uh prostitute, go on [00:45:15] sin no more. And Charlie understood both [00:45:18] the compassion of the Bible, but the [00:45:21] honesty and truthtelling of the Bible. [00:45:23] That is what I think has been missing in [00:45:26] our political discourse that you don't [00:45:27] have to be nasty, you can be [00:45:29] compassionate, but you should tell the [00:45:31] truth. And so the future of the [00:45:33] political movement is going to be [00:45:35] informed by young people brave and [00:45:38] courageous enough to tell the truth but [00:45:41] compassionate enough to understand the [00:45:43] suffering of of those around them. And [00:45:45] that that's that's Charlie Kirk. [00:45:46] >> Gentlemen, thank you so much for sharing [00:45:49] all those stories, for sharing your [00:45:51] time, for talking about Charlie. After [00:45:53] the break, I'll be joined by Caroline [00:45:55] Levit, our incredible White House press [00:45:57] secretary. This is the Charlie Kirk [00:46:00] show. Let's [00:46:04] [Music] [00:46:09] [Music] [00:46:23] come to the front of the line. Yes. [00:46:36] So, I have um I have a couple points [00:46:38] that I want to talk about in illegal [00:46:41] immigration. Um is it okay if I write if [00:46:44] I say all of them with no interruption? [00:46:46] Okay, cool. So, first, illegal [00:46:49] immigrants power our economy. They're [00:46:50] 50% of US farm workers harvesting the [00:46:53] food on our tables and fill 70% of [00:46:55] construction jobs in states like Texas. [00:46:58] They pay 13 billion annually in taxes, [00:47:00] including 2 billion to social security [00:47:02] that they can't claim. Deporting them [00:47:04] would slash agricultural output by 60 [00:47:06] billion, and raise food prices by 6%. [00:47:10] Why gut our farms and wallets when these [00:47:13] workers fuel our prosperity? That's my [00:47:14] first point. Second point, they [00:47:16] strengthen our communities with lower [00:47:18] crime rates. So in Texas, undocumented [00:47:21] undocumented immigrants have a 26 lower [00:47:23] percent homicide conviction rates. So [00:47:26] which is 2.2 per 100,000 versus three [00:47:29] for native born citizens. Nationally, [00:47:32] immigrants are incarcerated at half the [00:47:34] rate of native born where it's 85% [00:47:37] versus 1.7 [00:47:40] 1%. Uh that's according to Bureau of [00:47:42] Justice Statistics um from 2019. So, if [00:47:45] safety is your goal, why deport people [00:47:47] who make our streets safer? This is my [00:47:49] third point. Uh, mass deportation tears [00:47:52] apart American families. Over 4.4 [00:47:54] million US citizens uh children have an [00:47:57] undocumented parent and in Texas, one in [00:47:59] seven kids lives in a mixed status [00:48:02] household. Um, okay, this is my fourth [00:48:04] point. Deportation is a fiscal [00:48:07] nightmare. removing 11 million people [00:48:10] would cost 315 to 400 billion, more than [00:48:14] the entire homeland security budget and [00:48:16] shrink our GDP by 1.7 trillion over 10 [00:48:19] years. And um this is my last point. Our [00:48:24] immigration system is broken, pushing [00:48:26] people to cross illegally. Visa waits [00:48:29] Mexicans can exceed 20 years and the [00:48:31] asylum blockage is 1.3 million cases [00:48:34] with hearings four to six years out. Uh, [00:48:37] okay. [00:48:38] >> You done? [00:48:39] >> That's pretty much it. Yeah. Yeah. [00:48:40] >> All right. So, without looking at the [00:48:42] phone, look at me. What should the [00:48:43] penalty be for breaking into America? [00:48:45] >> I think there should be a system where [00:48:46] it's more merit based. So, if this [00:48:48] person [00:48:48] >> penalty So, what is the penalty? So, [00:48:50] what what should happen? [00:48:51] >> It's a fel It's It's not a felony. It's [00:48:53] a misdemean. That's not true. It's 8 USC [00:48:55] 1312. You can look it up right now. [00:48:56] >> It's a felony if it's done twice. If you [00:48:58] try to That is correct. [00:48:59] >> That is not correct. I Googled it, dude. [00:49:01] to illegally go across the southern [00:49:02] border with the well intent to come into [00:49:04] harbor yourself into the interior of the [00:49:05] United States to violation of 8 USC 1312 [00:49:07] which is a felony in the federal [00:49:09] criminal code. Now it can be enforced as [00:49:10] a misdemeanor or it can be upwards to 5 [00:49:12] years in prison. Now I want to know [00:49:14] since it's a felony law on the books 8 [00:49:16] USC 1312 what should the penalty be? Um [00:49:19] well, [00:49:22] in my opinion, these kinds of like um [00:49:24] laws are not are are usually they're [00:49:27] they're [00:49:29] um what do you call it? They're um [00:49:33] sorry. [00:49:35] >> Usually the the the like the the [00:49:39] sorry [00:49:42] >> um wait sorry. Can I can I choke my [00:49:44] phone real quick? I apologize. [00:49:49] Can you can you repeat the the question? [00:49:51] Sorry. [00:49:52] >> What should the penalty be? [00:49:54] >> Okay. [00:49:55] >> For someone that breaks or comes into [00:49:58] America illegally, what should the [00:49:59] penalty be? [00:50:00] >> I think there should be a a merit system [00:50:02] where the people Okay, the penalty. All [00:50:03] right, let's [00:50:04] >> that's not the answer. It's a very [00:50:05] simple moral and legal question. What [00:50:07] should the penalty be if you come into [00:50:10] America illegally? Okay. So, since it's [00:50:12] a misdemeanor, not a felony. [00:50:13] Misdemeanor. I just told you it's not [00:50:15] eight. You can look up on your chat GPT. [00:50:18] What is 8 USC? Look up. What is 8 USC [00:50:20] 1312? [00:50:21] >> No, I I know. I've already looked it up. [00:50:23] >> Yes, it's a [00:50:24] >> When it's your second time crossing the [00:50:26] border illegally, then it becomes a [00:50:27] felony. [00:50:28] >> It can it can be [00:50:46] Hello everyone, Vice President JD Vance [00:50:48] here. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk [00:50:50] Show. So, I am moonlighting as a radio [00:50:54] host today, of course, in honor of my [00:50:56] dear friend Charlie. And uh you know, I [00:50:58] wanted to be like Marco Rubio. I wanted [00:51:00] an add job here as the radio host and [00:51:04] vice president here in the West Wing [00:51:05] here in the White House complex. But I [00:51:07] have another person here who wears many [00:51:09] hats and is one of the most gifted [00:51:11] communicators I've ever seen right up [00:51:13] there with the great Charlie Kirk. I'm [00:51:15] glad to be joined by Carolyn Levit, our [00:51:17] press secretary. Carolyn, so good to see [00:51:18] you. [00:51:18] >> Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Very [00:51:20] kind. I appreciate you're saying that. [00:51:22] >> So, let me let let why don't you kick it [00:51:24] off and tell us a little bit. So, those [00:51:26] who don't know who are listening or [00:51:27] watching, you actually were involved [00:51:30] with TPUSA very early on when you were [00:51:32] in college. Tell me about that [00:51:35] experience and about getting to know [00:51:36] Charlie Kirk through that forum. [00:51:38] >> Sure. Well, I'm a Gen Z conservative. [00:51:40] So, I was really raised within the MAGA [00:51:43] movement. And within the MAGA movement [00:51:45] as a Gen Z conservative means you're [00:51:48] very much a part of the Turning Point [00:51:50] USA movement. And so, my political [00:51:52] education was not just through the rise [00:51:54] of President Trump, but also the rise of [00:51:56] Charlie Kirk [00:51:58] >> and watching him and listening to him. [00:52:00] and I inquired about starting a Turning [00:52:02] Point USA chapter on my college, St. [00:52:04] Ansom College in Manchester, New [00:52:06] Hampshire, where I went and where my [00:52:07] political ambition and love of media and [00:52:10] politics really began. And so just by [00:52:13] watching Charlie from a distance uh was [00:52:15] so inspiring to me as a young [00:52:17] conservative woman and then I got to [00:52:19] know him personally when I decided to [00:52:21] run for Congress and he was a tremendous [00:52:23] supporter and friend. [00:52:24] >> Right. So you literally communicate for [00:52:27] a living. You're the person that speaks [00:52:30] to the American people and the world on [00:52:32] behalf of the White House every single [00:52:34] day. Did you learn anything particular [00:52:37] about the way that Charlie Kirk [00:52:39] communicated with people? And what I [00:52:40] always appreciated is that though he was [00:52:43] very smart and though you see all these [00:52:45] clips of him owning people or of him [00:52:48] getting the better of somebody in a [00:52:49] debate, if you watch a full Charlie Kirk [00:52:52] rally and all of the Q&A, and I was just [00:52:55] talking with with Andrew about this off [00:52:56] camera, 90% of it is Charlie being kind [00:53:00] and being compassionate and offering [00:53:02] moral support to people. What do you [00:53:04] take from Charlie Kirk, the [00:53:06] communicator? so many things just by [00:53:08] watching him and by being around him, [00:53:10] but I think most of all standing firm in [00:53:13] your convictions and picking a fight, [00:53:16] especially when you know you have the [00:53:17] facts and the truth on your side, but [00:53:19] doing it with a smile. And that's [00:53:20] something Charlie did so brilli [00:53:22] brilliantly and well. He would go to [00:53:24] these campus reform events and he would [00:53:27] say to the crowd, "If you disagree with [00:53:29] me, come to the front of the line." And [00:53:31] I find myself doing that in the briefing [00:53:32] rooms, you know, picking on the [00:53:34] reporters whom I know very much disagree [00:53:36] with me and with the president. But as [00:53:38] long as you believe in what you're [00:53:40] saying and you have conviction in it and [00:53:41] you have truth and the facts on your [00:53:43] side, it makes it a lot easier to say [00:53:44] it. And that's what Charlie did for a [00:53:47] living. And I know he inspired me as a [00:53:49] young voice uh for for President Trump [00:53:52] now, like you said, behind the White [00:53:54] House podium. And you know before every [00:53:56] briefing I always pray um to Jesus [00:53:59] Christ and Charlie was so outspoken with [00:54:02] his faith and I will continue to be in [00:54:04] honor of him but I'll also think of [00:54:06] Charlie and just how brilliantly he was [00:54:08] able to combat the the lies with facts [00:54:11] and to do it with a smile. [00:54:12] >> Absolutely. So, you know, I I always [00:54:15] think of Charlie Kirk debating sometimes [00:54:18] these kids on college campuses and how [00:54:20] the one part of of your job that maybe [00:54:23] would be harder if you went on college [00:54:25] campuses is I think some of these [00:54:26] college kids ask way better questions [00:54:28] than the radicals do in the White House [00:54:30] press briefing room. So, that'd be like [00:54:31] good good preparation for you in a lot [00:54:33] of ways. Yeah, exactly. TPOS was [00:54:35] actually the varsity. Now, you're you're [00:54:37] kind of the JV level uh with your [00:54:40] opponents here. But but you do such an [00:54:42] incredible job. And you you were of [00:54:44] course not just the White House press [00:54:46] secretary, you were also the main [00:54:48] spokesperson during the Trump campaign. [00:54:50] And you know what what made I want to [00:54:53] ask how important Charlie was to the [00:54:55] victory because there were so many [00:54:56] events that we did with TPUSA where I [00:54:59] would show up and they were incredible [00:55:01] and the energy was off the charts. And [00:55:03] Charlie would always tell me whenever I [00:55:04] went to Arizona, he'd say, "Don't worry [00:55:06] about Arizona. Worry about Michigan. [00:55:08] Worry about Wisconsin. We've got [00:55:09] Arizona. talk with a minute and 10 [00:55:12] seconds remaining just about how [00:55:13] important Charlie was to our effort to [00:55:16] win and make Donald Trump into president [00:55:17] of the United States. [00:55:18] >> Look, the president has said it himself. [00:55:20] The president's massive gains with young [00:55:23] Americans across the country was in no [00:55:25] small part because of the efforts of [00:55:27] Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA. and [00:55:29] our team on the campaign was constantly [00:55:32] checking in with him and keeping him [00:55:34] apprised of what the president was doing [00:55:35] and saying because we needed his voice [00:55:38] to relay that to his audience which is [00:55:40] made up of young people across the [00:55:42] country and the president spoke at many [00:55:44] turning point events. He went into that [00:55:45] lion's den at the invitation of Charlie [00:55:48] to get his message across. And Charlie [00:55:50] was incredibly supportive of the [00:55:51] non-traditional new media strategy that [00:55:54] the president took. And you know, the [00:55:56] president loved Charlie deeply. You know [00:55:58] that, Mr. Vice President, and I know [00:56:01] that. And I know he deeply um is hurt by [00:56:04] this loss because um Charlie played an [00:56:07] instrumental role in returning the [00:56:09] president to the Oval Office. And I just [00:56:10] love that clip from election night when [00:56:13] Charlie realized President Trump had won [00:56:15] and he was speechless for one of the few [00:56:17] times in his life. There were no words, [00:56:19] just tears. [00:56:20] >> Thank you, Caroline. Up next, the great [00:56:22] Tucker Carlson joins me. We'll be right [00:56:25] back. [00:56:31] [Music] [00:56:53] ation are unnecessary administrators and [00:56:55] paper pushers. And why is that [00:56:57] important? Because we've not been [00:56:59] funding teachers or education the last [00:57:01] 30 years. We've been funding [00:57:02] unnecessarily bureaucracy in our [00:57:04] education the last 30 or 40 years. and [00:57:06] President Trump goes to abolish it. [00:57:08] Thank you for your time. I got to get to [00:57:09] the next question. Thank you. [00:57:11] [Music] [00:57:11] [Applause] [00:57:19] >> Hello. [00:57:19] >> Hi. [00:57:21] >> Um my name is Ellie. Overall, just to go [00:57:24] into my question, I I am on I am [00:57:27] conservative. So, going into this, I was [00:57:29] like, oh, like what what should what [00:57:30] should I ask you about? I think overall [00:57:32] that was going through different [00:57:33] policies and in general, I agree. [00:57:35] Ultimately, I think the topic of my [00:57:37] question is how to approach politics in [00:57:40] school and in general with dysfunction, [00:57:42] I found that a lot of times [00:57:45] when I talk to people who are on the [00:57:47] other side of me, they are surprised to [00:57:49] find out what I think and my ideas are [00:57:52] not that crazy. It's like when you [00:57:54] actually get into the meat of it, it's [00:57:55] like, oh, actually, maybe it does make [00:57:57] sense. And so, I think it's really [00:57:58] valuable to start giving these ideas to [00:58:02] the world. So, this is this is one of [00:58:03] these options. But I guess my question [00:58:05] is, is this the best way? Because when I [00:58:08] um when I hear like for example on [00:58:09] Reddit, they're like, "Don't approach [00:58:10] him. Don't do this. He's just doing [00:58:12] that. He's doing this. He's doing that. [00:58:13] He's using all these tactics." And so I [00:58:15] wonder if you've considered not to say [00:58:17] that this is a bad way to go about it, [00:58:19] but if there's maybe a slightly better [00:58:20] way because I think what you're saying [00:58:22] has a lot of value in this world, but [00:58:24] it's propon like in this school [00:58:26] specifically, it is thought of as evil [00:58:28] and as like not like a a valid way to [00:58:32] think. That's a UC San Diego problem, [00:58:33] not not a Charlie Cook problem, right? [00:58:35] >> No. And it's not and it's and it's not [00:58:36] to say it's a problem of you. No, no, [00:58:38] no. [00:58:39] >> And I mean like if and I read the there [00:58:40] was some op-ed journalists where they [00:58:42] said, "Ignore Charlie, you know, ignore [00:58:44] him." But what they're saying is that [00:58:46] they are not either smart enough or [00:58:48] they're not intellectually mature enough [00:58:50] to have a discussion with a conservative [00:58:52] on any issue. I have literally almost no [00:58:55] notes. I have like a couple charts to [00:58:56] show you if the topics come up. You guys [00:58:58] can use AI, you guys can use Grock, you [00:59:00] can use whatever you want. You could [00:59:02] bring a professor. You could bring five [00:59:03] of your top libs together. [00:59:05] >> Debate me, right? [00:59:06] >> Yeah. [00:59:07] >> Other side. Okay. Thank you. And you [00:59:08] guys can debate me at any time. [00:59:11] >> I I I fail to understand why. Well, [00:59:14] actually, I know the reason. Speech is [00:59:16] not a left-wing value. And they do not [00:59:19] believe in freedom of speech. They [00:59:20] believe in totalitarian control. There [00:59:22] are exceptions to that. So, if they have [00:59:25] a problem, I I think this is one of the [00:59:26] best ways, not the best way. I literally [00:59:29] could not be more open to disagreement. [00:59:31] I say if you disagree, you go to the [00:59:33] front of the line. [00:59:33] >> Yeah. [00:59:34] >> And I mean, how often do you as [00:59:36] conservatives get a chance to challenge [00:59:38] liberals on campus, right? And being [00:59:40] welcomed ever. [00:59:41] >> Absolutely. Almost never. Definitely [00:59:43] >> because speech is not a leftwing value. [00:59:45] >> No. But to say that I mean with all of [00:59:47] that being said, that is very true. But [00:59:49] ultimately what happens here is I see a [00:59:52] lot of like the ideas just being like [00:59:55] bubbled against. And so like when I talk [00:59:56] to my friends, they're not their ideas [00:59:58] aren't changed from these conversations. [01:00:00] And so I wonder if there's just a [01:00:01] >> You would be surprised. I'm sorry to [01:00:03] interrupt. What we what happens here [01:00:04] gets seen hundreds of millions of times [01:00:06] on social media. Absolutely. The crowds [01:00:08] are growing. And so look, some people [01:00:10] are going to remain close-minded. [01:00:11] They're not going to, you know, have [01:00:12] their horizons open. But that's on them, [01:00:16] right? They have to actually want to [01:00:18] pursue the truth and not just have their [01:00:20] own worldview confirmed. And then I [01:00:21] guess that's where I I disagree because [01:00:23] I think fundamentally there is truth [01:00:26] within anything and I believe that maybe [01:00:28] I would ask you like to say or to see [01:00:31] that like you have a big role in this. [01:00:33] You have a big fan base and a big media [01:00:35] base that you can make you are making [01:00:37] incredible change and to take it one [01:00:39] just one step further would be really [01:00:41] trying to push the narrative against [01:00:43] this being like a place where people are [01:00:46] just like debating. It's it's more than [01:00:47] that. [01:00:48] >> What would you like to see? I no I guess [01:00:50] maybe it's more of a question. I guess I [01:00:52] don't know mo like moving forward like [01:00:54] trying to m maybe um to see that like [01:00:57] instead of using these really fast [01:00:58] tactics and to really like try to bring [01:01:01] it down. Not to say someone is No. No. I [01:01:04] not to say that they're No, [01:01:05] >> I I disagree with all that. That's fine. [01:01:07] >> Yeah. [01:01:08] >> I I mean you're thinking way too much [01:01:10] about libs on Reddit. I care about [01:01:12] normal people. So [01:01:13] >> No. I And No, but the [01:01:15] >> I mean you did bring up Reddit. I'm [01:01:16] sorry. You're like [01:01:17] >> No, I guess that's true. No. And I guess [01:01:19] >> these people are not well socially [01:01:20] adjusted, right? I talked to the 90% of [01:01:23] the American people that actually want [01:01:25] to make something of their life and you [01:01:26] know have kids and [01:01:27] >> no and I I couldn't agree more with that [01:01:29] like stance. I guess maybe stepping away [01:01:31] from Reddit, it's to me the people on [01:01:33] this campus, this is a school I go to [01:01:35] and almost everyone I'm surrounded with [01:01:37] has a completely different view from me [01:01:39] and I'd love [01:01:40] >> Not everybody. [01:01:41] >> No. No. And this is like but this like [01:01:43] the people here to find them it feels [01:01:45] like you're h like sipping through a [01:01:47] needle in a hay stack. [01:01:48] >> You want a hat? [01:01:49] >> Sure. [01:01:50] >> All right. Thank you very much. [01:01:51] >> Thank you. [01:01:54] >> Thank you. Next question. [01:01:56] >> Disagreements come to the front of the [01:01:58] line. Yes. [01:02:10] So, I have um I have a couple points [01:02:12] that I want to talk about in illegal [01:02:15] immigration. Um is it okay if I write if [01:02:18] I say all of them with no interruption? [01:02:20] Okay, cool. So, first, illegal [01:02:22] immigrants power our economy. They're [01:02:24] 50% of US farm workers harvesting the [01:02:26] food on our tables and fill 70% of [01:02:29] construction jobs in states like Texas. [01:02:31] They pay 13 billion annually in taxes [01:02:34] including 2 billion to social security [01:02:36] that they can't claim. Deporting them [01:02:38] would slash agriculture output by 60 [01:02:40] billion and raise food prices by 6%. [01:02:44] Why gut our farms and wallets when these [01:02:47] workers fuel our prosperity? That's my [01:02:48] first point. Second point, they [01:02:50] strengthen our communities with lower [01:02:52] crime rates. So in Texas, undocumented [01:02:55] undocumented immigrants have a 26 lower [01:02:57] percent homicide conviction rates. So [01:03:00] which is 2.2 per 100,000 versus three [01:03:03] for native born citizens. Nationally, [01:03:06] immigrants are incarcerated at half the [01:03:08] rate of native born where it's 85% [01:03:11] versus 1.7 [01:03:13] 1%. Uh that's according to Bureau of [01:03:15] Justice Statistics from 2019. So, if [01:03:19] safety is your goal, why deport people [01:03:21] who make our streets safer? This is my [01:03:23] third point. Uh, mass deportation tears [01:03:26] apart American families. Over 4.4 [01:03:28] million US citizens uh children have an [01:03:31] undocumented parent and in Texas, one in [01:03:33] seven kids lives in a mixed status [01:03:35] household. Um, okay, this is my fourth [01:03:38] point. Deportation is a fiscal [01:03:41] nightmare. removing 11 million people [01:03:43] would cost 315 to 400 billion more than [01:03:47] the entire homeland security budget and [01:03:50] shrink our GDP by 1.7 trillion over 10 [01:03:53] years and um this is my last point our [01:03:58] immigration system is broken pushing [01:04:00] people to cross illegally visa waits [01:04:03] Mexicans can exceed 20 years and the [01:04:05] asylum blockage is 1.3 million cases [01:04:07] with hearings four to six years out [01:04:11] Okay, [01:04:12] >> you done? [01:04:12] >> That's pretty much it. Yeah. Yeah. [01:04:14] >> All right. So, without looking at the [01:04:16] phone, look at me. What should the [01:04:17] penalty be for breaking into America? [01:04:19] >> I think there should be a system where [01:04:20] it's more merit- based. So, if this [01:04:22] person [01:04:22] >> penalty, so what is the penalty? So, [01:04:24] what what should happen? [01:04:25] >> It's a f It's It's not a penalty. It's a [01:04:27] mis that's not true. It's 8 USC 1312. [01:04:29] You can look it up right now. [01:04:30] >> It's a felony if it's done twice. If you [01:04:31] try to go That is correct. [01:04:33] >> That is not correct. I Googled it, dude. [01:04:34] to illegally go across the southern [01:04:36] border with the well intent to come into [01:04:37] harbor yourself into the interior of the [01:04:39] United States to violation of 8 USC 1312 [01:04:41] which is a felony in the federal [01:04:42] criminal code. Now it can be enforced as [01:04:44] a misdemeanor or it can be upwards to 5 [01:04:46] years in prison. Now I want to know [01:04:48] since it's a felony law on the books 8 [01:04:49] USC 1312 what should the penalty be? Um [01:04:53] well, [01:04:56] in my opinion, these kinds of like um [01:04:58] laws are not are are usually they're [01:05:00] they're [01:05:02] um what do you call it? They're um [01:05:07] sorry. [01:05:09] >> Usually the the the like the the [01:05:13] sorry [01:05:16] >> um wait, sorry. Can I can I choke my [01:05:18] phone real quick? I apologize. [01:05:23] Can you can you repeat the the question? [01:05:25] Sorry. [01:05:26] >> What should the penalty be? [01:05:28] >> Penalty be [01:05:28] >> for someone that breaks or comes into [01:05:31] America illegally, what should the [01:05:33] penalty be? [01:05:34] >> I think there should be a a merit system [01:05:36] where the people Okay, the penalty All [01:05:37] right, let's [01:05:38] >> that's not the answer. It's a very [01:05:39] simple moral and legal question. What [01:05:41] should the penalty be if you come into [01:05:44] America illegally? Okay. So, since it's [01:05:46] a misdemeanor, not a felony, [01:05:47] misdemeanor. [01:05:48] >> I just told you it's not eight. You can [01:05:50] look up on your chat GPT. What is 8 USC? [01:05:53] Look up what is 8 USC 1312. [01:05:55] >> No, I I know. I've already looked it up. [01:05:56] >> Yes, it's which is [01:05:58] >> when it's your second time crossing the [01:06:00] border illegally, then it becomes a [01:06:01] felony. [01:06:02] >> It can it can be [01:06:09] [Music] [01:06:23] [Music] [01:06:29] Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. [01:06:31] Joining me now is my friend and a close [01:06:34] friend of Charlie, the great Tucker [01:06:36] Carlson. Tucker, thank you so much for [01:06:38] being here. And we have 10 minutes, [01:06:40] Tucker. And just to give you guys for at [01:06:43] home a little behind the scenes, the [01:06:45] producer just showed Tucker a sign that [01:06:47] said rap. And Tucker looked at it and [01:06:50] said, "This is expand on your point." [01:06:52] Right? So if we end up going 35 minutes, [01:06:55] you'll know it's not the host's fault, [01:06:57] it's Tucker Carlson's fault. [01:06:58] >> We read what we want to read. [01:06:59] >> But I had, you know, Tucker, I think you [01:07:01] know this, and some of you know this [01:07:02] because I wrote about it on X.com. But [01:07:05] when x.com was Twitter, I did an [01:07:08] interview with the Tucker Carlson [01:07:10] Tonight Show on Fox News and I got a [01:07:13] message from a guy named Charlie Kirk [01:07:16] that said, "You did a great job. I [01:07:18] really liked what you said and let's [01:07:20] keep in touch." And that began the start [01:07:23] of my friendship with Charlie Kirk. That [01:07:25] was the first time I had ever [01:07:26] communicated with Charlie Kirk. So, [01:07:28] you've known him for a long time. You [01:07:31] talked to him about a lot of issues and [01:07:32] I want to talk in in in part about how [01:07:34] to honor Charlie's legacy because I [01:07:36] think that he modeled civil discourse [01:07:39] within the right. He accepted there were [01:07:41] big disagreements on all these issues [01:07:43] but he thought we were all on the same [01:07:44] team and we could debate this stuff but [01:07:47] actually have a drink at the end of the [01:07:48] day and recognize that we were all [01:07:50] trying to accomplish fundamentally the [01:07:52] good of the country. So I want to talk a [01:07:53] little bit about that. Before I get [01:07:54] there, just tell me about your buddy [01:07:57] Charlie Kirk. What was he like? What did [01:07:59] people who only know him from radio or [01:08:02] TV not appreciate about what a good guy [01:08:04] he was? [01:08:04] >> That his Christianity was sincere and [01:08:07] his commitment to Jesus was totally [01:08:08] sincere. And it, you know, sometimes [01:08:11] isn't, especially uh in public figures [01:08:13] who throw out Bible verses they don't [01:08:15] understand and stuff like that, but in [01:08:17] his case, not speaking anyone in [01:08:19] particular, but in his case, um it [01:08:21] informed every single part of his life [01:08:22] from his marriage to the way he treated [01:08:24] his children to the way he treated his [01:08:25] staff to the way he approached [01:08:27] disagreement to the way he thought of [01:08:29] other people, which was always primarily [01:08:30] as people first. And that was, you know, [01:08:34] he was much younger than I am. And I met [01:08:36] him when he was a teenager. So, I mean, [01:08:38] he's literally the age of one of my [01:08:39] children. So, it was kind of hard to [01:08:42] take him seriously at first. And over [01:08:46] the years that I knew him, you know, [01:08:48] more than 10 years, I ended up learning [01:08:49] from him. And I'm not just saying this [01:08:51] because he's passed. I mean that [01:08:52] sincerely. And the main thing that I [01:08:53] learned from him was how to disagree [01:08:56] with people on topics that you take very [01:08:57] seriously and that they take very [01:08:59] seriously without hating them without [01:09:02] feeling bitterness. I mean he it wasn't [01:09:05] you know people knew what was going on [01:09:06] behind the scenes you know there was a [01:09:09] lot going on behind the scenes and it [01:09:11] was intense and it was bitter and you [01:09:14] know because the divide particularly on [01:09:16] foreign policy questions is very real in [01:09:20] the Republican party neocons versus the [01:09:21] realist or however you want to describe [01:09:22] it. He was on the realist side for sure [01:09:25] but he was mad at the people who [01:09:27] disagreed with them. He liked them as [01:09:28] people. He agreed with him on some [01:09:30] things and he would always say that you [01:09:32] know I agreed in private he would say [01:09:34] that and you know I was involved in it [01:09:37] because people were mad at him for [01:09:39] having me at his conferences or for [01:09:41] talking to me and so we had caused to [01:09:43] talk about it a lot up until he was [01:09:46] assassinated and I was so struck the [01:09:49] whole time I would say you know [01:09:51] I would use the ugly language I'm famous [01:09:53] for in private and u he would never talk [01:09:56] like that he would say well you know I [01:09:58] agree with him on this, but obviously [01:09:59] I'm on your side on that. And he just [01:10:01] never forgot there was a person behind [01:10:03] the views. And that inspired me. And God [01:10:06] commands that of us. That is that's a [01:10:08] real commandment in my opinion. [01:10:10] >> And he lived it. [01:10:11] >> That's exactly right, Tucker. He he [01:10:13] treated everybody with respect. And [01:10:15] because he genuinely loved people and he [01:10:17] genuinely wanted their salvation. He [01:10:18] wanted them to have a relationship with [01:10:20] God. He wanted them to to know the [01:10:22] truth, he always treated them with [01:10:23] respect, maybe especially when he [01:10:25] disagreed with them. And I I I think [01:10:27] about this. So you talked about foreign [01:10:29] policy. That is one of the big divides [01:10:31] on the American right right now. And and [01:10:33] the thing that Charlie seemed to [01:10:35] understand intuitively is that the [01:10:38] coalition that made Donald Trump the [01:10:41] president of the United States and JD [01:10:42] Vance, the vice president of the United [01:10:43] States, it included Tucker Carlson, but [01:10:47] also Ben Shapiro. Exactly. It included [01:10:49] people who did disagree voseiferously, [01:10:51] but agreed on 70 or 80% of issues. And [01:10:53] fundamentally the question Charlie would [01:10:55] ask is if you're a good faith person and [01:10:57] you're trying to do right then you are [01:11:00] part of the big 10. And I think that's [01:11:01] that's something that we have to try to [01:11:03] model together because Charlie's no [01:11:05] longer around to do it for us. And and [01:11:07] one way in particular I was very touched [01:11:09] by this. I actually texted Mark about [01:11:11] this because you know you very [01:11:13] generously have put out some donation [01:11:15] link to help support Charlie's family. [01:11:17] And think about, you know, Erica and the [01:11:18] kids, most importantly, they're grieving [01:11:21] the loss of a dear husband and father, [01:11:23] but somebody us, we are going to have to [01:11:26] step in and fill the gap to provide for [01:11:28] them in a way that Charlie no longer [01:11:30] can't because he was taken down by an [01:11:32] assassin's bullet. You know who I saw [01:11:34] share that link was Mark Leven. [01:11:36] >> Yeah. [01:11:36] >> And I thought it was a really good [01:11:38] example of how Charlie was able to bring [01:11:40] people together from across our movement [01:11:43] so long as we were operating in good [01:11:45] faith. That was the question. If you [01:11:47] work good faith, you're on his team. [01:11:48] >> That is exactly right. And good faith is [01:11:50] the measure. And I, you know, I just I [01:11:53] have to say I think now is exactly the [01:11:55] wrong time to appropriate the memory of [01:11:58] someone and the and the emotion that [01:12:00] comes with that, the really intense [01:12:01] emotion that all of us feel and his [01:12:03] murder and use it for your own prochial [01:12:05] ends. Like he stood for this, you know. [01:12:08] And I think the reason that Charlie was [01:12:10] able to bridge the gap particularly in [01:12:12] foreign policy is because he had for [01:12:15] example genuine affection for Israel [01:12:17] which he expressed to me in private many [01:12:19] many times like I love Israel. [01:12:20] >> I don't think we should have another [01:12:22] forever war regime change war against [01:12:25] Iran [01:12:26] >> and I think that made complete sense to [01:12:28] me. I I sort of a agree with that [01:12:30] actually. Um and so it allowed both [01:12:33] sides to talk to him because they felt [01:12:35] like this person doesn't hate me. It [01:12:37] doesn't need to get existential. It's [01:12:38] not about disliking me or some weird [01:12:40] bigotry. Um, but I don't think it's [01:12:43] helpful to for people to jump in, [01:12:45] particularly foreign heads of state, to [01:12:46] say, "This is what, you know, he lived [01:12:48] for my cause or whatever." That's [01:12:50] disgusting. Actually, don't do that. [01:12:52] That turns everybody off. You don't help [01:12:53] your own cause by doing that. And it's [01:12:55] also literally untrue. So I just hope [01:12:58] that we can continue in I'm not [01:13:01] exaggerating the spirit that he operated [01:13:03] in which is one of love for other people [01:13:06] including people we disagree with and [01:13:08] don't make it you know as small boore as [01:13:11] that that doesn't help. [01:13:13] >> Yeah. So one of the issues Tucker and I [01:13:15] agree with you that that he would [01:13:18] express disagreements with the [01:13:20] administration on there are two that [01:13:21] that jump out is one you know Charlie [01:13:24] was a hardliner on immigration. and he [01:13:26] wanted us to control our borders as much [01:13:28] as possible. He wanted us to ramp up the [01:13:30] deportations. I remember having [01:13:31] conversations with Charlie where he [01:13:33] would say, "Why aren't the deportations [01:13:35] higher? Why aren't you doing more?" And [01:13:37] I would talk to him, but it wasn't, [01:13:39] "Hey, I don't understand this or I [01:13:42] disagree with you and therefore I'm [01:13:44] going to blast you and assume that [01:13:45] you're in bad faith." It's I'm a free [01:13:48] citizen. I love you guys. I supported [01:13:50] you guys and I'm going to use my [01:13:53] platform to try to accomplish as much [01:13:55] good as I possibly can. And I think that [01:13:58] made him such an effective operator. And [01:14:00] I would talk to Charlie, I'd say, [01:14:01] Charlie, well, look here, here are the [01:14:02] reasons why. And and as you've seen, [01:14:04] Tucker, we've ramped up deportation [01:14:06] numbers. We have actually there are a [01:14:08] lot of people who are selfporting [01:14:10] because they don't want to be in the [01:14:11] country knowing that eventually [01:14:13] immigration enforcement will happen. But [01:14:14] I think part of that success comes from [01:14:16] people like Charlie applying pressure. [01:14:19] pressure as a friend. Pressure as [01:14:21] somebody who cares deeply about the [01:14:22] issue. And and that's true also. I know [01:14:24] we have about about 90 seconds left, but [01:14:26] that's true about foreign policy. Like I [01:14:28] remember Charlie calling me and saying, [01:14:30] "I'm really worried." And this was back [01:14:32] in the summer when the Iran strikes were [01:14:35] sort of first being contemplated. He [01:14:37] said, "I'm really worried this is going [01:14:38] to become another regime change war in [01:14:40] the Middle East that we get trapped in." [01:14:42] And I said, "Charlie, first of all, like [01:14:44] have some give have some faith here. The [01:14:46] president of the United States is not a [01:14:48] believer in perpetual war. He knows the [01:14:50] mistakes of Iraq and Afghanistan. He [01:14:52] doesn't want to repeat them. But Charlie [01:14:55] was very clear that he could support [01:14:57] Israel. And by the way, he did [01:14:59] eventually support the strikes on the [01:15:01] nuclear facility while simultaneously [01:15:03] saying no more. This can't become a [01:15:06] bigger thing. This can't become a [01:15:07] broader thing. And and again, I think he [01:15:09] modeled a really good way of applying [01:15:12] pressure, of disagreeing when you do [01:15:15] disagree, but also recognizing that so [01:15:17] long as you're operating in good faith, [01:15:19] we're all part of the team. And that's [01:15:21] something I'm going to try to take from [01:15:22] Charlie's legacy is not not that we're [01:15:24] always right, not that we can't take [01:15:26] criticism, but that we all should try to [01:15:28] work together. [01:15:29] >> It did worry me because I think your [01:15:31] description is perfect. He was one of [01:15:32] the very few who took that message um [01:15:34] and and stood by it. I mean, right to [01:15:36] the very end. this cannot get bigger. We [01:15:38] don't want another regime change war. [01:15:40] >> But man, some of the people who send [01:15:42] money to Turning Point, his donors were [01:15:45] very tough on him. So tough on him that [01:15:48] I could feel it. You know, I I talked to [01:15:50] him a lot in the last few months and he [01:15:52] was under enormous pressure. He never [01:15:54] bent. He never became bitter. [01:15:56] >> He kept his integrity to the very end. [01:15:57] >> To the very end. And I just think it's [01:15:59] important to say that because it's true. [01:16:01] >> Absolutely. Thank you, Tucker. It's good [01:16:03] to be with you. Don't go away. We'll be [01:16:05] right back with our great Secretary of [01:16:06] Health and Human Services, Bobby Kennedy [01:16:09] Jr., you're listening to the Charlie [01:16:11] Kirk Show. [01:16:13] [Music] [01:16:33] They come. It's the largest slavering [01:16:34] operate slavery operation in American [01:16:36] history that many illegal aliens help [01:16:38] make possible on the southern border. [01:16:40] And I guess the final question I'll have [01:16:41] is should a government serve its [01:16:45] citizens first and foremost? [01:16:46] >> Yeah, of course. Of course. Well, okay, [01:16:48] there's many there's been many people [01:16:50] who are like very political leaders who [01:16:52] have said that this place is built off [01:16:54] of immigrants. [01:16:55] >> Oh, is it? Well, hold on. Let's think [01:16:56] about that. Was was first of all, it's [01:16:59] legal, not illegal. But was America [01:17:01] founded by immigrants or settlers? [01:17:03] >> Settlers. [01:17:04] >> That's not an immigrant. [01:17:05] >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's not my [01:17:06] point. My point is that people [01:17:07] >> You brought up the the nation built by [01:17:10] immigrants? [01:17:10] >> Yeah. Because the political leaders have [01:17:12] said that this place is built from [01:17:15] they're wrong. Political leaders are [01:17:17] wrong. George W. Bush is wrong. All [01:17:19] these political leaders who have built [01:17:20] America, [01:17:21] >> by the way, the first person to say that [01:17:22] was [01:17:22] >> How is that wrong? When illegal [01:17:24] immigrants make I just they grow the [01:17:26] economy statistically. [01:17:27] >> Allow me again. Allow me to build it out [01:17:30] for you. [01:17:30] >> Sure. [01:17:31] >> Immigrants have helped at times in [01:17:32] American history. But we are first and [01:17:34] foremost a nation founded by settlers. [01:17:36] Immigrants come to a country already [01:17:37] built. Settlers come to a barren place [01:17:39] and build something new. This land was [01:17:41] barren when people came. [01:17:42] >> In the 1840s gold rush, this was not an [01:17:44] easy place to live. California was not [01:17:47] exactly industrialized. There was not [01:17:49] immigrants coming west to California. [01:17:51] Those were settlers building a new place [01:17:52] around, you know, western western [01:17:54] values. Finally, I would just ask the [01:17:57] question, [01:17:58] >> do you see a moral distinction between a [01:17:59] legal immigrant and an illegal [01:18:01] immigrant? [01:18:02] >> Well, the argument is that they're [01:18:03] cutting in line. Like their argument is [01:18:05] that they're cutting in line in the 20 [01:18:06] year process that it would take for [01:18:07] someone to be to cross. [01:18:08] >> It's not 20, but [01:18:09] >> at most it's 20. At most, it's 20. Right [01:18:11] now, there's around like 1.2 million [01:18:13] people who are currently waiting. That [01:18:14] would take six to seven years for a [01:18:16] hearing. [01:18:16] >> And by the way, no one has a right to [01:18:18] come to this country. Just to be clear, [01:18:20] >> let me stay on track of what I was going [01:18:21] to say. Okay. So, so people people who [01:18:24] come here usually almost all the time [01:18:27] when they come here it's they benefit [01:18:29] society. They benefit society. There's [01:18:31] studies that have done this. [01:18:33] >> Not necessarily. [01:18:34] >> Okay. Not necessarily. But overall in [01:18:36] general [01:18:38] fundamentally disagree with that. [01:18:39] >> You can't disagree with a fact. [01:18:41] >> Hold on. Do you think Elon Omar has [01:18:42] enriched the United States of America? [01:18:46] >> I I don't know who. [01:18:47] >> Do you think Rashida Talib? [01:18:48] >> Uhhuh. [01:18:49] >> I mean, I could go through person by [01:18:51] person by person. Sorry, I don't know [01:18:52] these people. Are these people who have [01:18:53] like are illegal immigrants that have [01:18:54] caused harm? [01:18:55] >> Yeah. Again, I if you don't know, I [01:18:56] don't mean to pick on you. It's fine. [01:18:58] But I I guess the the final question is [01:19:00] >> sure. [01:19:01] >> Do you have any concern that there are [01:19:04] too many people coming into this country [01:19:05] and we're a nation of strangers, not a [01:19:07] nation of neighbors? [01:19:08] >> If the people who are coming are [01:19:09] creating America, making it more [01:19:10] growing, like the economy is growing, [01:19:12] then what harm is that doing? Especially [01:19:14] if the people are coming an economy [01:19:15] though, aren't we? We're a culture. [01:19:16] We're a language. [01:19:18] >> Okay, so let's talk about that front. [01:19:19] when they come here, they don't have any [01:19:21] kind of they're not committing as more [01:19:23] more crimes than the people who are [01:19:24] already here. That is we've already [01:19:26] dispelled that. But that is not you [01:19:27] can't [01:19:30] do you. You think there's anything wrong [01:19:31] that a majority of young people in [01:19:32] California speak Spanish, not English? [01:19:34] >> Is there Wait, sorry. Can you see the [01:19:35] >> Do you think there's anything wrong or [01:19:37] troubling to the fact that a majority of [01:19:38] people under the age of 30 here in the [01:19:40] state speak Spanish, not English? [01:19:42] >> Um, [01:19:42] >> is there a problem with that? [01:19:44] >> Well, yeah. Everyone should be able to [01:19:45] have a ability to communicate with the [01:19:47] rest of the crowd. So I I guess I don't [01:19:50] know what the big issue of that. [01:19:51] >> See, I think it's a huge problem when we [01:19:52] have a nation where you can't [01:19:54] communicate with your [01:19:54] >> family. Simple solution. Teach them how [01:19:56] to speak English. What is your [01:19:58] >> Yeah. And that our schools don't do that [01:20:00] actually. And also have a better [01:20:01] solution. Don't import a bunch of people [01:20:02] that don't speak English. [01:20:04] >> You mean importing people who actually [01:20:06] grow the economy. [01:20:08] >> Reject I reject your premise. Another [01:20:10] premise. That's a study that's been [01:20:12] done. [01:20:12] >> Do you know what a premise is? I don't [01:20:14] actually care as much about economic [01:20:16] growth cuz we're one nation under we're [01:20:18] one nation under GD we're not one nation [01:20:20] under GDP. We're a nation under God. And [01:20:22] when we lose social cohesion [01:20:24] >> and you import a bunch of people that [01:20:26] don't share our values that don't [01:20:27] necessarily always assimilate that's a [01:20:29] major and serious problem. And we are a [01:20:32] we are a people first and foremost with [01:20:33] a creed and that creed is falling apart. [01:20:36] Mass has not helped that creed. Yes, [01:20:38] they might buy more trinkets. They might [01:20:40] help depress wages. Massigration of [01:20:42] course can help. [01:20:43] >> All good things. All great things for [01:20:44] America. [01:20:45] >> Well, they help major corporations. But [01:20:47] you know what they also do? They keep [01:20:48] down the wages of working people. If you [01:20:50] are a plumber, Yes. of course. If you [01:20:52] think about it, if you're a plumber, [01:20:53] electrician, or a welder, and you have [01:20:54] to compete against someone from [01:20:55] Nicaragua who's willing to do it for [01:20:57] five bucks less an hour, that depresses [01:20:59] the wages of the American citizen, [01:21:00] >> right? Yeah. So, there's been studies [01:21:02] that done that also like counteract [01:21:04] that. illegal immigrants. Let's use our [01:21:06] reason. No, let's use our studies. [01:21:09] >> Let's use our statistics. How about our [01:21:10] reason? So, we've had mass migration for [01:21:12] 20 years. Have wages gone up? [01:21:16] >> I I don't know. [01:21:18] >> No, they haven't actually. So, forget [01:21:19] your studies. For 10 years, we've had [01:21:22] for 10 years we've had 30 million people [01:21:23] come into America. [01:21:25] >> Wages have gone down dramatically. Maybe [01:21:27] there's a reason why. [01:21:29] >> Okay. Okay. [01:21:31] >> So, what I [01:21:38] [Music] [01:21:44] [Applause] [01:21:46] Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. [01:21:48] Joining us now is Robert F. Kennedy Jr., [01:21:51] our great health and human services [01:21:53] secretary. Bobby, thank you so much for [01:21:55] being here. And one of the things that I [01:21:57] always took from Charlie was this idea [01:22:00] that we needed to grow the coalition and [01:22:02] expand the coalition. There's probably [01:22:03] no person in the entire administration [01:22:05] who better exemplifies that than you. [01:22:08] One of the leading consumer advocates, [01:22:10] health advocates that has existed in our [01:22:12] country. But until a few years ago, more [01:22:15] aligned given your name. You were a Zion [01:22:18] of one of the the great political [01:22:19] families on the Democratic side in [01:22:21] American history. But now you're one of [01:22:23] the most important members of the [01:22:25] administration in a Republican [01:22:26] administration. maybe talk if you would [01:22:29] just a little bit about Charlie's [01:22:31] approach to politics and how it [01:22:33] ultimately made you uh one of the most [01:22:35] important people in the federal [01:22:36] government. [01:22:37] >> Yeah. Well, Charlie was uh probably the [01:22:40] primary architect of my unification [01:22:44] with President Trump. Um, I actually [01:22:47] announced my endorsement of President [01:22:48] Trump at a turning point rally in [01:22:50] Arizona, which was his idea. And he was, [01:22:54] but for people who were there, remember [01:22:56] it. There was all these kind of [01:22:58] fireworks and sparklers on the stage [01:23:01] when we shook hands and that was all [01:23:03] Charlie's um, uh, orchestration. That [01:23:07] was his idea, and he insisted on that. [01:23:10] But I first met Charlie in July of 2021. [01:23:14] I had just written a book about Anthony [01:23:15] Fouchy and he had me on his show for [01:23:19] this very very wide-ranging interview in [01:23:22] which he really let me talk a lot which [01:23:24] was unusual at that time cuz I was not [01:23:26] allowed to talk on most outlets. [01:23:28] >> Sure. [01:23:29] >> And um I think both of us approached [01:23:33] each other with some trepidation because [01:23:35] we came from such different places. uh [01:23:38] by the end of that interview, I felt [01:23:40] like I'd met a spiritual soulmate and [01:23:43] our friendship blossomed after that and [01:23:46] even during the campaign when you know [01:23:48] he was um stronging President Trump, we [01:23:52] always had a communication and outreach [01:23:55] and then after I made the endorsement, I [01:23:58] saw him all the time and he helped me a [01:24:01] lot during the transition. [01:24:03] >> Yep. [01:24:04] um as did you, as did Tucker [01:24:07] and uh and helped Amarillis, who's my [01:24:10] daughter-in-law, he really kind of [01:24:12] pushed her a lot um uh to get the job [01:24:16] that she has today. So, but you know, I [01:24:19] the thing that united us was his his [01:24:23] total commitment to free speech and now [01:24:26] it had been a theme of my campaign. I [01:24:28] had been subject to censorship like so [01:24:30] many other people during COVID and saw [01:24:33] the threat that it was to our country. [01:24:36] Saw that once they understood [01:24:38] they could sensors and Charlie and I [01:24:40] talked about this that the uh that the [01:24:44] founders put the freedom of speech in [01:24:46] the first amendment because they knew [01:24:49] all the other rights depended on it. If [01:24:50] a government can silence its opponents, [01:24:53] it has a license for any kind of [01:24:54] atrocity. [01:24:56] And you know, as soon as they realized [01:24:58] that we were going to put up with that, [01:25:01] they went after freedom of assembly, [01:25:02] which is the first amendment with social [01:25:04] distancing regulations. They went after [01:25:07] freedom of religion, closing all the [01:25:09] churches in this country, which [01:25:10] extraordinary. I mean, it's [01:25:12] extraordinary, you know, we get away [01:25:13] with that. And by the way, they kept the [01:25:16] liquor stores open as essential [01:25:18] businesses. Um, they went after the [01:25:21] fifth amendment. They show shut all of [01:25:23] our businesses, three 3.5 million [01:25:26] businesses with no due process, no just [01:25:29] compensation. They went after the [01:25:31] seventh amendment right to jury trial. [01:25:34] Seventh amendment says no no American [01:25:37] shall be denied the right of a trial [01:25:38] before a jury of his peers in case their [01:25:41] controversies exceeding $25. There's no [01:25:44] pandemic exception. [01:25:46] And yet they were able to give these [01:25:48] broad categories of industry, these, you [01:25:50] know, these exemptions from any [01:25:52] litigation no matter how much they hurt [01:25:54] you. They went after the fourth [01:25:56] amendment uh prohibitions against [01:26:00] warless surges and seizures by making us [01:26:02] disclose our medical information. So the [01:26:05] entire constitution came under attack as [01:26:07] soon as they realized that they could go [01:26:09] after free speech. So, we have 80 [01:26:12] seconds left on radio and then we'll [01:26:13] continue streaming for the folks who are [01:26:15] watching live on on the internet and [01:26:17] other platforms, but talk to me just a [01:26:19] little bit about Charlie's influence and [01:26:21] actually politically getting you to be [01:26:24] the H&HS secretary because I remember he [01:26:26] was such a strong advocate for you. He [01:26:28] was so proud of the president and of you [01:26:30] when the president nominated you. [01:26:32] Obviously, like all of our big nominees, [01:26:34] there was a tough confirmation fight. [01:26:35] just talk give give give us 50 seconds [01:26:37] on how important he was to making you [01:26:40] have the position and the title you have [01:26:42] right now. [01:26:43] >> Well, you know, uh you know what the [01:26:45] transition is like. You never kind of [01:26:46] know what's going to happen and he was a [01:26:50] critical ally for me in calling [01:26:52] President Trump and at first you know [01:26:54] when President Trump asked me whether I [01:26:55] wanted this job I was tentative. I [01:26:58] didn't know whether I wanted to handle [01:27:00] the Medicaid and Medicare portion which [01:27:02] is the biggest you know economic BMF. [01:27:04] Sure. [01:27:05] >> And he really persuaded me that I should [01:27:08] do it. And then he helped me not only [01:27:12] making calls to the president himself, [01:27:13] but telling me people that I should call [01:27:17] operating strategically. But I'll just [01:27:18] say one other thing before we sign [01:27:20] before. [01:27:21] >> So let me pause there, Bobby. This will [01:27:23] continue on streaming, but for those [01:27:25] listening on radio, I want to thank the [01:27:27] secretary and again, we'll keep on going [01:27:29] for another few minutes off the radio, [01:27:31] but appreciate it. [01:27:33] >> Thank you. And and now that we're I [01:27:37] guess off radio, keep keep talking about [01:27:39] this this piece of it because you know I [01:27:41] think [01:27:42] >> he was strategically brilliant [01:27:44] >> and he was a good political operator in [01:27:46] a way that I think so many people don't [01:27:48] realize. [01:27:48] >> Yeah, he was uh I mean he was an [01:27:53] empresserio strategist [01:27:56] and he knew exactly he did the same [01:27:58] thing with Amarillas. He told her, "Make [01:28:00] this phone call. Make this phone call. [01:28:02] Make this one first. This one second." [01:28:03] >> Yeah. [01:28:04] >> And he knew exactly, you know, he knew [01:28:08] the he understood [01:28:11] the uses of power and he understood what [01:28:13] buttons needed to be pushed to move the [01:28:16] ball across the goal line. So he was [01:28:19] very good on that. But so he was a [01:28:21] pragmatist, but he was also one of the [01:28:23] most idealistic people that I've ever [01:28:25] met. [01:28:25] >> He was. and his principal preoccupation [01:28:28] was with conversation. He thought [01:28:30] conversation was the only thing that [01:28:32] could heal our country. We have all [01:28:34] these forces and particularly the [01:28:36] algorithms now in social media that are [01:28:38] driving us apart. [01:28:40] >> And it's inexraable. There seems to be [01:28:43] nothing that could stop it. And he [01:28:45] understood that the only thing that [01:28:47] could bridge that gap was debate, was [01:28:50] open debate. And that censorship was the [01:28:52] enemy of that. And that in order to have [01:28:55] real conversations, we had to end the [01:28:56] vitriol. We had to stop being poisonous [01:29:00] toward each other. We need to say what [01:29:02] we mean without saying it mean. [01:29:04] >> Yes. [01:29:04] >> And he was just amazingly he was so [01:29:07] respectful of the people who disagreed [01:29:09] with them. [01:29:11] >> He gave them the most respect and the [01:29:13] greatest hearing. He wanted their voices [01:29:15] to be heard. I I saw on, you know, one [01:29:19] of the networks just now that there's [01:29:21] this big revolt against the social media [01:29:24] because of their contribution, the [01:29:26] polarization that ultimately led to his [01:29:28] death, this blooming up of hatred. [01:29:31] >> Ironically, I think Charlie would revolt [01:29:33] against that. [01:29:34] >> Yes. [01:29:34] >> Because he hated censorship. Yes. What [01:29:37] what he said is the answer is [01:29:39] conversation and dialogue. And we need [01:29:43] to learn to do that if we're if our [01:29:45] democracy is going to survive. If we are [01:29:47] if we're going to survive, we need to [01:29:49] talk to each other even though all these [01:29:51] things are telling us not to. Yes. So I [01:29:53] talked to Charlie. It was either the [01:29:54] night of or the day after our debate [01:29:56] with Tim Walls and you know he was [01:29:58] excited. He told me how great I did and [01:30:00] obviously it's it's awesome to hear from [01:30:02] a friend who tells you that you did a [01:30:04] great job. But he asked what I thought [01:30:06] of Tim and I said, "Honestly, you know, [01:30:08] because you get in this sort of bunker [01:30:09] mentality in the campaign, it's uses [01:30:11] them." And I was like, "Honestly, [01:30:14] even though I'm glad that I think I did [01:30:15] well and I certainly don't want this guy [01:30:17] to become vice president, I actually [01:30:19] kind of liked him afterwards after 90 [01:30:22] minutes of talking with him." And [01:30:23] Charlie said, "That's why I do all these [01:30:24] debates." is like you can disagree [01:30:27] vehemently with somebody, but if you're [01:30:28] actually communicating with them, it's [01:30:31] it's really hard not to appreciate at [01:30:33] least a little bit as a human being. [01:30:35] Even if you think they're 100% wrong on [01:30:37] the issues, you can appreciate them a [01:30:39] little bit as a human being. And that's [01:30:41] what Charlie was so good at. So, uh, [01:30:43] with with all respect to you and all [01:30:45] gratitude for for being such a big part [01:30:47] of his life the last couple of years, [01:30:48] Bobby, good to see you. [01:30:50] >> You, too, Mr. Vice President. [01:30:52] >> Thank you. [01:30:58] [Music] [01:31:12] and look actually at self-evident [01:31:14] truths. Be like, "Huh, does that make [01:31:16] sense?" Can you name [01:31:17] >> statistics are self-evident truth? [01:31:18] >> Well, not always. Statistics are very [01:31:20] misleading. Yes, you like for example, I [01:31:22] could say, "Did you know that 600 people [01:31:24] a year die because of seat belts?" Well, [01:31:27] that's a misleading statistic because [01:31:28] over 100,000 lives are saved by seat [01:31:30] belts. That's an incomplete statistic. [01:31:32] >> Wait. Okay. So where where is the so [01:31:33] that's a gray area. So where's the gray [01:31:35] area where people are talking about [01:31:36] where 26% of illegal immigrants who come [01:31:39] here commit less crimes than native [01:31:40] born. [01:31:40] >> Okay. We have how many times have we [01:31:42] been over this? That's just not correct. [01:31:43] >> That is correct. That is correct. [01:31:45] >> Every single crime it doesn't matter. [01:31:47] >> There's a study that was done in Texas. [01:31:49] The most diverse second most diverse [01:31:51] state. [01:31:51] >> Every crime an illegal commits is one [01:31:53] that should never have happened. It is a [01:31:55] period. They should not be here. So I [01:31:57] don't care about the rate. The rate is [01:31:59] irrelevant. So let me just ask one final [01:32:00] question. is relevant. [01:32:02] >> Someone broke into the country and cut [01:32:03] in line. What should happen to them? [01:32:06] >> Well, they get they're given ideally [01:32:08] there's a system ideally there's a [01:32:09] system that's merit based where these [01:32:11] people then become part of the part of [01:32:12] the the citizen like they become a legal [01:32:15] citizen. [01:32:15] >> Yeah. I mean we have clarity but not [01:32:17] agreement. I say deport them all back to [01:32:18] their country of origin and put [01:32:20] Americans first. That's not that's not [01:32:21] an appropriate solution when [01:32:23] >> the American people voted for it and it [01:32:24] is people it isn't appropriate because [01:32:26] most of the people that do come here [01:32:28] illegally contribute positively to [01:32:30] society. Not again dude statistically [01:32:33] everything backs this you're not [01:32:35] listening to anything I'm saying and [01:32:36] that's fine. They take jobs from [01:32:37] Americans. They depress wages. They [01:32:39] steal social security numbers. They [01:32:41] commit a crime every single day that [01:32:42] they're here. They flood our public [01:32:44] schools. They flood our social services. [01:32:46] They flood our hospitals. They are a [01:32:48] burden on the taxpayer. they should go [01:32:50] back and make their own country great [01:32:52] again and apply and become a legal [01:32:53] immigrant if they want to live here. [01:32:55] Thank you very much. [01:32:56] >> Thank you. [01:33:14] It's time for a whole new generation to [01:33:16] rise up and rise up. The Charlie Kirk [01:33:19] Show. [01:33:22] >> Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. [01:33:23] I'm JD Vance and joining us now is a [01:33:26] very special guest, the White House [01:33:28] chief of staff, the person the president [01:33:30] of United States calls the most powerful [01:33:32] woman in the world. It always [01:33:33] embarrasses her, which is why I have to [01:33:35] say it every time I introduce her. Uh [01:33:37] Susie Wilds, who is such a vital role of [01:33:40] what we do in the White House every [01:33:41] single day. Such a vital role of the [01:33:43] success of the 2024 campaign. Susie, I [01:33:46] just want to say thanks so much for [01:33:47] joining us here to honor Charlie here. I [01:33:50] I want to tell you a little story. You [01:33:51] may not be aware of this story, but and [01:33:54] maybe you didn't pay attention to the [01:33:55] social media chatter, but if I go back [01:33:57] to probably 6 weeks after I had been [01:34:00] selected by the president, I was the [01:34:01] vice presidential nominee. We were [01:34:03] campaigning hard and there was a weird [01:34:06] little social media campaign to try to [01:34:08] get Susie Wilds fired from her job and [01:34:11] she was running the Trump campaign. more [01:34:12] than a social media campaign. [01:34:14] >> It was it was a full-on campaign. And I [01:34:16] remember talking Charlie Kirk called me [01:34:18] and he said, "This thing to take down [01:34:21] Suzie is an op, meaning it's an [01:34:23] operation meant to discredit us, meant [01:34:25] to make us less effective." And the [01:34:26] reason he thought it was so important to [01:34:28] protect you is because he had such great [01:34:30] respect for you. He thought you were [01:34:31] such an incredible part of the team. You [01:34:33] you were sort of the person that held [01:34:35] all the chaos together operationally in [01:34:38] the midst of that very intense campaign. [01:34:40] And so Charlie was thinking as he always [01:34:43] did a little ahead of the curve. He was [01:34:45] asking himself, "What are the problems [01:34:47] that are out there so I can be two or [01:34:49] three steps ahead?" And he was fighting [01:34:51] for you maybe even before you realized [01:34:54] that there was this thing against you. [01:34:56] and and it was never a situation where [01:34:58] anybody ever doubted Susie Wilds, but I [01:35:00] wonder sometimes if the reason why you [01:35:03] had such good and strong support from [01:35:05] the very beginning is because you had [01:35:07] such a powerful voice in the Republican [01:35:09] party standing with you every step of [01:35:11] the way. So, I just wanted to tell you [01:35:13] that because it's one of the reasons why [01:35:15] I admire and respect you. I know Charlie [01:35:16] loved, admired, and respected you, but [01:35:19] I've told my Charlie story. maybe talk [01:35:21] in those days of the campaign what an [01:35:24] important part Charlie was of our [01:35:26] efforts and our ultimately successful [01:35:27] efforts to install the boss in the Oval [01:35:29] Office. [01:35:30] >> Thank you, Mr. Vice President and thank [01:35:32] you for doing this. [01:35:33] >> Of course, [01:35:34] >> I have a I have a Charlie story that [01:35:35] maybe hasn't been told, at least not [01:35:37] enough. In the 2024 campaign, the law [01:35:41] changed, election law changed, and [01:35:43] campaigns were finally allowed to [01:35:45] coordinate with outside organizations. [01:35:47] One of the biggest expenses in a [01:35:49] campaign is canvasing. The door-to-door [01:35:51] activity that it particularly in a [01:35:53] Donald Trump campaign is critically [01:35:55] important. And so we were we were [01:35:58] liberated. We had license to coordinate [01:36:00] with everybody and everybody came to the [01:36:03] table and everybody was going to canvas [01:36:05] at this level with this sort of fidelity [01:36:08] to our plan and included Charlie. And at [01:36:11] the end of this whole [01:36:14] >> odyssey, the person that really did [01:36:17] Everything they said they were going to [01:36:18] do and more was Turning Point. He had an [01:36:21] army of good people who were motivated [01:36:24] and passionate and they they delivered [01:36:28] 110%. [01:36:29] And I don't know that Charlie gets [01:36:31] enough credit for that. That was a [01:36:33] tactical assist to the campaign. We [01:36:35] didn't have to pay for it. We didn't [01:36:37] have to think about it. We didn't have [01:36:39] to follow up after him. It it was an [01:36:42] immeasurable help. And most of those [01:36:45] canvasers were some of the same young [01:36:47] people that that voted for the president [01:36:49] and convinced their families. So, in [01:36:51] many ways, it was really a pivotal [01:36:54] effort. [01:36:55] >> That's that's awesome to hear. And it's [01:36:56] consistent, Susie, with this theme that [01:36:58] I've been coming back to today, which is [01:37:00] that Charlie was a brilliant order and [01:37:03] communicator and debater. He would go to [01:37:05] these college campuses and give them the [01:37:07] courage to speak, to build friendships [01:37:09] with with fellow conservatives and [01:37:10] Republicans. But everybody knows that [01:37:13] because everybody saw it. What they [01:37:14] didn't see necessarily is that Charlie [01:37:17] was this very effective strategic [01:37:19] operator at all levels of politics. And [01:37:22] you know, one of the things that the [01:37:23] president always talks about is that [01:37:26] compared to really not just his campaign [01:37:29] in 2016, but any Republican campaign for [01:37:32] the past 40 years, we saw young voters [01:37:36] shift in every county, in every [01:37:38] demographic, white, black, rich or poor. [01:37:41] young voters shifted right in 2024 in [01:37:44] this very profound way. Can can you talk [01:37:47] a little bit about what Charlie did to [01:37:50] make that happen and why this youth [01:37:52] movement that he really built, I mean, [01:37:54] he was a kid when he started Turning [01:37:56] Points USA, how this youth movement, [01:37:58] without any of us probably being able to [01:38:00] prophesize or predict it, ended up [01:38:02] helping us deliver the White House in [01:38:05] 2024. [01:38:06] >> Well, I I explained the tactical [01:38:08] benefit. We never thought again about [01:38:10] Arizona or Pennsylvania. Yeah. [01:38:11] >> Um Charlie had it. [01:38:13] >> And as for the youth vote, I mean, he [01:38:15] was he evangelized. He was on every [01:38:18] college campus in every part of the [01:38:20] country. And he was broader than that. A [01:38:23] turning point event was something you [01:38:25] had to be at, had to pay attention to. I [01:38:28] know President Trump felt that way, and [01:38:29] I think you did, too. [01:38:30] >> Yep. And I struck by you had Secretary [01:38:33] Kennedy on uh just a minute ago and [01:38:36] Charlie was instrumental very um in [01:38:40] Secretary Kennedy coming to the ticket [01:38:41] and you too. [01:38:42] >> Yep. That's right. I know that and [01:38:45] that's one of the things that you know [01:38:47] I'm sitting in this office here in the [01:38:49] West Wing or White House complex and if [01:38:53] it weren't for Charlie Kirk I would not [01:38:55] be the vice president of the United [01:38:56] States. And I think about that a I [01:38:59] thought about that a lot of the last few [01:39:00] days. I mean, other than the president [01:39:02] himself, Charlie was maybe the most [01:39:04] important person in both getting us [01:39:07] across the finish line, but actually [01:39:08] getting me the nomination to begin with. [01:39:10] It was his grassroots army. It was his [01:39:13] advocacy that I think made me a cred a [01:39:15] credible selection for VP in the first [01:39:18] place. And obviously, the president [01:39:19] makes the final determination. But it [01:39:22] takes a team, and Charlie was such an [01:39:24] incredibly important part of that team. [01:39:26] And it's one of the reasons why I feel [01:39:27] so indebted to him. And one of the [01:39:29] reasons I mean I I worry Susie that he [01:39:32] is fundamentally just an irreplaceable [01:39:35] figure. And he is. There's no way that [01:39:37] we can replace Charlie. I mean certainly [01:39:39] not for Erica and the beautiful kids. [01:39:41] They're they're never going to get back [01:39:43] what the assassin's gun took away from [01:39:45] them. But they the movement has to [01:39:50] figure out a way of continuing and [01:39:52] continuing to build on what he built and [01:39:54] continuing to go to college campuses and [01:39:56] talk to young people [01:39:58] >> and and not just that but when we won [01:40:00] power Charlie was a critical part of [01:40:03] getting us the right people of staffing. [01:40:06] So talk a little bit about that because [01:40:08] other than the president of the United [01:40:08] States, the chief of staff is probably [01:40:10] the most important person in the [01:40:11] transition, picking cabinet secretaries, [01:40:14] picking all these important staffers. [01:40:16] Talk about why Charlie mattered so much [01:40:18] and not just helping us get there, but [01:40:20] helping us succeed now that we're here. [01:40:23] >> I think he worked in transition every [01:40:24] day. [01:40:25] >> He did [01:40:26] >> in one place or another doing one thing [01:40:28] or another. And so very much the Trump [01:40:31] administration has his his imprint. My [01:40:34] worry about Turning Point, and I [01:40:35] couldn't agree with you more, it has to [01:40:37] be bigger and better um and growing all [01:40:40] the time, is one of Charlie's gifts was [01:40:44] not talking at you, but engaging you [01:40:46] where you were, right? [01:40:48] >> And it's hard sometimes, you know, tough [01:40:50] things are coming at you. He never [01:40:52] shrunk from that. So, whoever I can't [01:40:55] say takes Charlie's place because that [01:40:57] will be nobody. But whoever comes in to [01:40:59] be sort of a voice of turning point, [01:41:02] they need to be somebody that's willing [01:41:03] to engage at a level where you're not [01:41:06] talking to the followers, you're talking [01:41:07] to the people that are not and engaging [01:41:10] them where they are. That's going to be [01:41:12] the hardest thing I think to to to [01:41:14] replace. [01:41:15] >> I I really agree with that, Susie. And [01:41:16] I've I've talked to a lot of the Turning [01:41:18] Point staff and what they tell me is [01:41:21] operationally, organizationally, Charlie [01:41:23] had built a machine. I mean, some of [01:41:24] these people have been working with [01:41:25] Charlie since he was literally a [01:41:27] teenager and he trusted them where where [01:41:29] I think he is genuinely irreplaceable [01:41:32] is, for lack of a better word, on the [01:41:34] talent side of it, right? How do you [01:41:36] find a person who goes into these places [01:41:38] who takes very difficult questions [01:41:40] sometimes very hostile questions and to [01:41:42] your point is actually engaging with [01:41:44] them is not talking at them. Now there [01:41:46] all these social media clips and I was [01:41:48] talking about this earlier so forgive [01:41:50] the audience forgive me for repeating [01:41:51] myself but he was not just the super [01:41:55] viral clips of him getting the better of [01:41:58] a person in a debate. If you sit down [01:42:00] and watch a Charlie Kirk event at one of [01:42:02] these universities, it is 90% him almost [01:42:06] acting like a big brother to these kids, [01:42:07] right? If it's a young conservative [01:42:09] who's very nervous about the crowd and [01:42:11] nervous about asking a question, Charlie [01:42:13] steps up and says, "Don't be nervous." I [01:42:15] was nervous at one point. Just speak [01:42:17] slowly. Get your question out. He would [01:42:19] coach them through it. If there was a [01:42:21] young progressive who is getting jeered [01:42:23] by some of the people in the audience, [01:42:24] he said, "No, no, no, guys. [01:42:25] >> Let her speak. Let him speak. this is [01:42:28] part of open debate is they get to hear [01:42:30] from us and we get to hear from them. [01:42:32] And I thought that was just such an [01:42:33] incredible thing that he did. I mean, [01:42:35] I've talked to a number of friends. I've [01:42:37] talked to, you know, Tucker. I've talked [01:42:39] to Laura Ingram. I've I've talked to a [01:42:41] number of people about how we can try to [01:42:43] replace that part of it. Not in the way [01:42:47] that Charlie did it. Charlie is [01:42:49] irreplaceable, but we can at least have [01:42:51] a team of people try to step into the [01:42:53] gap and make sure that we're carrying [01:42:55] this message to college campus because [01:42:57] if we don't do that, I I think that's [01:42:59] the way in which I worry about the [01:43:02] assassin winning is we've got to carry [01:43:05] on the mantle. We've got to carry on the [01:43:07] torch and we've got to do it by [01:43:09] continuing the message, continuing. [01:43:10] That's why I'm doing this show today is [01:43:12] I just wanted to, you know, send a [01:43:13] signal that we're not going to let [01:43:14] Charlie's mantle be discarded. we're [01:43:16] going to keep on caring and and and one [01:43:19] final thing that I wanted to talk about [01:43:20] is, you know, you mentioned Bobby [01:43:22] Kennedy earlier and obviously he was on [01:43:23] the segment before you. [01:43:25] >> What Charlie was so good at was [01:43:28] marshalling political action into a [01:43:31] policy outcome [01:43:33] >> outcome [01:43:33] >> or a person outcome. And this is where I [01:43:35] want to talk about Bobby. And you know, [01:43:36] so many of the really good nominees that [01:43:38] we had, they weren't easy to get across [01:43:41] the finish line. And that's no insult to [01:43:42] our great nominees. Great people are [01:43:45] actually always going to be a little bit [01:43:46] harder. If it's a, you know, a person [01:43:48] who doesn't make any controversy, who [01:43:49] doesn't say anything especially [01:43:51] controversial, that person's going to be [01:43:53] easy. It's but but the president didn't [01:43:54] want that. He wanted to staff the [01:43:56] administration with people who had [01:43:58] interesting things to say, who brought [01:44:00] unique perspectives, and that meant that [01:44:02] we were going to have some tough [01:44:03] confirmation fights. Maybe, you know, [01:44:04] we've got about 2 minutes left. talk a [01:44:07] little bit about the role that Charlie [01:44:09] played on the inside, on the outside, [01:44:11] and making sure that all of these great [01:44:13] nominations that we had actually got [01:44:16] across the finish line in a town where [01:44:18] we've got 53 GOP senators and we could [01:44:21] only lose three for any particular [01:44:23] nomination. [01:44:25] >> Well, I would say you and Charlie were a [01:44:26] good tag team. [01:44:27] >> We were. [01:44:28] >> Let's take Bobby or or Pete for example. [01:44:30] Y [01:44:31] >> the president really didn't want a, you [01:44:33] know, homogenized cabinet. He wanted [01:44:35] different people that were for whatever [01:44:38] reason a part of a movement that we need [01:44:40] to we need to keep keep. There were [01:44:43] interest groups. There were coalitions [01:44:45] and and people that came to be Trump [01:44:48] voters. Um we don't have an exact [01:44:52] number, but it was certainly more than a [01:44:53] few. And now we have three and a half [01:44:55] years to convert Trump voters to being [01:44:58] Republicans so that in 2028 we can keep [01:45:02] the White House, the House, and the [01:45:03] Senate. That's what Charlie helped us [01:45:06] think through. I'll speak for myself. [01:45:07] That's what Charlie helped me think [01:45:09] through. Yes, his expertise was with [01:45:11] young people, but he he he knew so much [01:45:14] about everything. And he knew that there [01:45:17] was this group of of people we now call [01:45:19] Maha that were out there looking for a [01:45:22] home. He found Bobby and introduced [01:45:25] Bobby into our world and now he's the [01:45:28] secretary of HHS. So that's the kind of [01:45:32] thinking that that we saw Charlie all [01:45:34] the time do. And I I think that the [01:45:38] movement cannot be or he cannot be [01:45:40] replaced by any one person. He's got to [01:45:43] be replaced by you, by Don Trump, by so [01:45:46] many others that can that that are good [01:45:49] communicators and can be taking as well [01:45:52] as giving. [01:45:54] >> You heard it from the White House chief [01:45:55] of staff. It's up to all of us, [01:45:56] including those in the audience, to keep [01:45:58] on the legacy of Charlie Kirk. Next up, [01:46:01] I have some closing thoughts to share [01:46:02] about my dear friend. We will be right [01:46:04] back. Thanks. [01:46:07] [Music] [01:46:22] >> Have a great time. Thank you. [01:46:26] Okay. Hello. Yes. [01:46:27] >> Hello. Uh my name is Yardo. I have a [01:46:29] small YouTube channel. I'm a political [01:46:31] commentator as well, much smaller than [01:46:32] you are. Um I just wanted to thank [01:46:34] everybody at Turning Point USAD for [01:46:37] having this debate. And also I would [01:46:40] thank the Turning Point uh USA San Diego [01:46:43] State because they uh gave a voice to [01:46:46] one of my dear friends who was a victim [01:46:48] at the December or the October 7th um [01:46:52] Nova Music Festival and his name is Am [01:46:55] Mazai. Um I really appreciate that you [01:46:57] guys did that and like you have my [01:47:00] sincere gratitude. Um, I'd also like to [01:47:03] um quickly state uh that this is a [01:47:06] message for the far left first and then [01:47:07] we'll get into what I highly disagree [01:47:09] with you about. But um I just read [01:47:12] Hassan Piker's New York Times article [01:47:14] where he claims that he did not stifle [01:47:16] free speech in his chat. I do not [01:47:18] believe that's true because I was banned [01:47:19] multiple times for having a simple [01:47:21] disagreement with him. That is one thing [01:47:22] on the right that you guys do far better [01:47:24] is not creating echo chambers. And this [01:47:26] is a a complete amazing thing that you [01:47:29] guys are doing right now. And I just [01:47:30] want to let you know right now, Hassan [01:47:32] I will donate $5,000 to Palestine [01:47:35] if you debate me. Now, after and I 100% [01:47:39] mean that and I will make sure that that [01:47:40] is as public as possible. Um, my [01:47:43] question for you, Charlie, is I just [01:47:45] want to make it clear, I am against [01:47:46] affirmative action. Um, of course, I do [01:47:49] not believe as a disabled person myself, [01:47:51] I do not believe that affirmative action [01:47:53] is the entirety of what DEI entails. [01:47:56] That being said, I would be fine with [01:47:58] DEI gotten rid of if it meant the mer [01:48:02] like a true meritocracy in the United [01:48:04] States. But why would I trust Donald [01:48:06] Trump to create a meritocracy when he [01:48:09] himself has appointed the least [01:48:10] accomplished and the least essentially? [01:48:13] Yeah, perfect word. The least [01:48:14] accomplished um cabinet in US history. [01:48:18] At least in my opinion. If you disagree, [01:48:20] I can explain why I feel that way. Well, [01:48:23] first of all, one thing doesn't have to [01:48:25] do with the other. But I'm going to [01:48:26] reject the premise that it's the least [01:48:27] qualified cabinet ever. So, we could [01:48:29] talk about that, but even if it was just [01:48:31] Donald Trump picking his family members, [01:48:33] it has nothing to do with the merits of [01:48:35] DEI or getting rid of DEI, right? So, [01:48:37] that's a red herring. They actually have [01:48:38] nothing to do with the other. One's a [01:48:39] repeal of a policy. One is your critique [01:48:41] of a cabinet. So, which one would you [01:48:44] rather debate? Would you rather debate [01:48:45] DEI and all of its implications or [01:48:48] Trump's cabinet? seems like you have [01:48:49] more problems with Trump's cabinet [01:48:50] because we actually might be on the same [01:48:51] side of meritocracy. So, want to talk [01:48:54] about the cabinet, whichever you [01:48:55] >> Yeah, we can talk about I personally [01:48:56] don't see it as a red herring, but we [01:48:57] can talk about that. [01:48:58] >> Well, yeah, one doesn't have anything to [01:48:59] do with the other, right? I mean, you [01:49:00] can personally have hypocrisy in your [01:49:02] own life and still do really good things [01:49:03] in policy, right? It doesn't doesn't [01:49:06] necessarily equate, right? Well, I mean, [01:49:08] in in the way that I see it is that when [01:49:10] you a lot of people talk about like when [01:49:11] they're talking about their choice to [01:49:12] vote for Kla or Trump instead of Kamla, [01:49:15] they talk about the personal aspects of [01:49:17] Donald Trump that make them want to [01:49:19] trust him, right? He's a a lot of people [01:49:20] trust him. You can see the way that [01:49:22] people look. I mean, everybody's wearing [01:49:24] the MAGA hats. People trust him. Why [01:49:26] would I trust him? [01:49:27] >> Okay. So, yeah, that that is your [01:49:28] contention. So, yeah. What about his [01:49:30] cabinet is unqualified? Let me just get [01:49:32] ask you a couple examples. So, I mean, [01:49:34] Scott Bessant, who's one of the most [01:49:36] accomplished bond salesmen and [01:49:38] individuals in the hedge fund space [01:49:40] ever, right? That's not unqualified. [01:49:42] Pete Hex, who's actually a frontline war [01:49:44] fighter, unlike Lloyd Austin, who never [01:49:46] fought a war in his life, right? We have [01:49:49] Christy Gnome, who was an accomplished [01:49:51] congresswoman and governor from a major [01:49:53] state, running Department of Homeland [01:49:55] Security. You've Howard Lutnik who's a [01:49:57] very famous and well-known uh financial [01:50:00] mind and titan from uh Wall Street [01:50:02] running Caner Fitzgerald. Uh Marco Rubio [01:50:06] who was a very wellrespected US senator [01:50:08] on foreign affairs who's now doing a [01:50:10] great job as Secretary of State. So [01:50:13] build out your argument why you think [01:50:14] this cabinet is unqualified. Seems to me [01:50:17] very very qualified actually across the [01:50:19] board. [01:50:20] >> Okay. So the first thing that I'm going [01:50:21] to start with, I mean this is the most [01:50:23] obvious one and I have many other [01:50:25] examples that I'd like to get into but [01:50:26] Pete Hexath you mentioned. I think that [01:50:28] that is kind of [01:50:48] shortly after Usha and I left Charlie's [01:50:50] family and Charlie's remains in Arizona, [01:50:54] I read a story in the Nation magazine. [01:50:57] about my dear friend Charlie Kirk. Now, [01:51:00] The Nation isn't a fringe blog. It's a [01:51:03] well-funded, wellrespected magazine [01:51:05] whose publishing history goes back to [01:51:07] the American Civil War. George Soros's [01:51:11] Open Society Foundation funds this [01:51:14] magazine, as does the Ford Foundation [01:51:17] and many other wealthy titans of the [01:51:19] American Progressive Movement. The [01:51:22] writer accuses Charlie of saying, and I [01:51:24] quote, "Black women do not have brain [01:51:28] processing power to be taken seriously." [01:51:31] But if you go and watch the clip, the [01:51:33] very clip she links to, you realize he [01:51:36] never said anything like that. He never [01:51:38] uttered those words. He made an argument [01:51:41] against affirmative action as a policy. [01:51:44] He criticized a specific Supreme Court [01:51:47] justice as an individual. He never said [01:51:50] anything about black women as a group. [01:51:52] He made an argument for judging people [01:51:54] of all races and backgrounds by their [01:51:57] own individual merits. [01:51:59] The very evidence she provides, this [01:52:02] hack of a writer, shows that she lied [01:52:04] about a dead man. And yet she wrote it. [01:52:08] An esteemed magazine published it. It [01:52:11] made it through the editors. And of [01:52:12] course, liberal billionaires rewarded [01:52:16] that attack. [01:52:18] Now, of course, even if Charlie had [01:52:20] uttered those words, it wouldn't mean [01:52:21] that he deserved his fate. But consider [01:52:24] the level of propaganda at work. Charlie [01:52:27] was gunned down in broad daylight, and [01:52:30] wellunded institutions of the left lied [01:52:34] about what he said so as to justify his [01:52:37] murder. This is soulless and evil. But I [01:52:42] was struck not just by the dishonesty of [01:52:44] the smear, but by the glee over a young [01:52:47] husband's and young father's death. [01:52:51] Quote, she says, "He was an unrepentant [01:52:54] racist, transphobe, homophobe, and [01:52:58] misogynist." [01:52:59] The nation wrote, who often wrapped his [01:53:02] bigotry in Bible verses because there [01:53:05] was no other way to pretend that it was [01:53:07] morally correct. He had children as do [01:53:11] many vile people. That's what they said. [01:53:14] He had children as do many vile people. [01:53:18] Now, hours before this smear was [01:53:20] published, my wife and I had the honor [01:53:22] of escorting Charlie's body back to his [01:53:25] home in Arizona. We took his wife, [01:53:28] Erica, We Love you, his parents, his [01:53:31] sister, and a few of his best friends [01:53:33] with us. And as they offloaded Charlie's [01:53:36] casket from Air Force 2, I worried that [01:53:39] Erica would collapse with grief. Now, I [01:53:43] am a very lucky husband to a very [01:53:46] wonderful wife, but I have never been [01:53:48] prouder of my wife than that moment as [01:53:50] she held Erica in Erica's very darkest [01:53:53] hour. And I thought of Erica as I read [01:53:56] that disgusting attack on Charlie. He [01:53:58] had children, as do many vile people. [01:54:03] That's what they said about him. I said [01:54:06] the Lord's prayer. Our Father, who art [01:54:09] in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy [01:54:12] kingdom come, thy will be done on earth [01:54:15] as it is in heaven. And I asked Usha [01:54:18] what Erica had said to her earlier in [01:54:21] the day in a private moment. And I asked [01:54:23] Erica's permission to share this. My [01:54:26] wife told me, [01:54:28] she asked me [01:54:30] for advice. Erica asked me for advice on [01:54:34] how she should tell her children that [01:54:37] their father had been murdered. [01:54:39] She asked my wife how to tell her [01:54:43] beautiful kids that their father and my [01:54:46] dear, very dear friend, is no longer [01:54:48] with us. [01:54:50] And as she was doing it, there were [01:54:52] people dancing on that father's grave. [01:54:57] Now, I have heard many calls in the last [01:54:59] few days for unity and for healing in [01:55:02] the wake of Charlie's assassination. You [01:55:05] have no idea how desperately I want [01:55:08] that, how gratified I was when [01:55:10] Democratic friends and even former [01:55:12] Senate colleagues reached out to offer [01:55:15] their condolences to me. I'm so thankful [01:55:18] and I know there are so many like them [01:55:20] all across our great country. I am [01:55:23] desperate to wrap my arms around them as [01:55:26] we all unite to condemn political [01:55:29] violence and the ideas that cause it. [01:55:32] Psalm 133 tells us, "Behold, how good [01:55:36] and how pleasant it is for brethren to [01:55:39] dwell together in unity. It is like the [01:55:43] precious ointment upon the head. Oh, how [01:55:45] badly have I craved that precious [01:55:48] ointment in recent days. And I believe [01:55:51] we can have it. But first, first we must [01:55:55] tell the truth. It's the only way to [01:55:58] honor Charlie. For what was he if not a [01:56:01] man who told the truth in every place, [01:56:04] in every environment? [01:56:06] Now, the most important truth Charlie [01:56:08] told is this. that long ago a man [01:56:12] begotten not made came down from heaven [01:56:15] and by the Holy Spirit [01:56:18] was incarnate of the Virgin Mary and [01:56:20] became man for our sake he was crucified [01:56:23] under Pontious Pilate and suffered death [01:56:26] and was buried and rose again on the [01:56:28] third day. Charlie believed as I do that [01:56:33] all the truth he told flowed from that [01:56:36] fundamental principle. [01:56:39] I really do believe that we can come [01:56:42] together in this country. I believe we [01:56:46] must. But unity, real unity can be found [01:56:51] only after climbing the mountain of [01:56:54] truth. And there are difficult truths we [01:56:56] must confront in our country. One truth [01:57:00] is that 24% of self-described, quote, [01:57:04] very liberals believe it is acceptable [01:57:07] to be happy about the death of a [01:57:09] political opponent, while only 3% of [01:57:13] self-described very conservatives agree. [01:57:15] 3% is too many, of course. Another truth [01:57:19] is that 26% of young liberals believe [01:57:23] political violence is sometimes [01:57:25] justified and only 7% of young [01:57:28] conservatives say the same. Again, too [01:57:30] high a number. [01:57:32] In a country of 330 million people, you [01:57:34] can of course find one person of a given [01:57:37] political persuasion justifying this or [01:57:39] that or almost anything. But the data is [01:57:43] clear. people on the left are much [01:57:46] likelier to defend and celebrate [01:57:48] political violence. This is not a both [01:57:51] sides problem. If both sides have a [01:57:53] problem, one side has a much bigger and [01:57:56] malignant problem. And that is the truth [01:57:58] we must be told. [01:58:01] That problem has terrible consequences. [01:58:05] The leader of our party, Donald J. [01:58:07] Trump, escaped an assassin's bullet by [01:58:09] less than an inch. Our House Majority [01:58:12] Lever, Steven Scaliz, came within [01:58:15] seconds of death by an assassin himself. [01:58:19] And now, the most influential [01:58:20] conservative activist in generations, [01:58:23] our friend Charlie, has been murdered. [01:58:26] This violence, it doesn't come from [01:58:29] nowhere. Now, any political movement, [01:58:32] violent or not violent, is a collection [01:58:34] of forces. It's like a pyramid that [01:58:36] stacks on top, one support on top of the [01:58:40] other. That pyramid's got a foundation [01:58:42] of donors, of activists, of journalists, [01:58:45] now of social media influencers, and of [01:58:47] course, of politicians. [01:58:49] Not every member of that pyramid would [01:58:51] commit a murder. In fact, over 99%, I'm [01:58:54] sure, would not. but by celebrating that [01:58:56] murder, apologizing for it, and [01:58:59] emphasizing not Charlie's innocence, but [01:59:01] the fact that he said things some didn't [01:59:04] like, even to the point of lying about [01:59:06] what he actually said. Many of these [01:59:08] people are creating an environment where [01:59:11] things like this are inevitably going to [01:59:13] happen. A couple of months ago, I had [01:59:16] landed a fundraiser in Southern [01:59:17] California. And since, you know, we'd be [01:59:19] out there anyways, my wife and I decided [01:59:21] to take our kids to Disneyland one [01:59:23] weekend. We had fun and to be clear, [01:59:26] most of the guests said very nice things [01:59:27] or they just left us alone. But there [01:59:30] was a loud and very cool minority that [01:59:32] would shout at my children who were 8, [01:59:35] five, and three whenever they got the [01:59:37] opportunity. You should disown your dad, [01:59:40] you little one middle-aged woman [01:59:42] yelled at my 5-year-old. Tell the Secret [01:59:45] Service to protect the Constitution, not [01:59:47] your father, screamed another. Are these [01:59:49] women violent? Probably not. Are they [01:59:51] deranged? Certainly. And while our side [01:59:54] of the aisle certainly has its crazies, [01:59:56] it is a statistical fact that most of [01:59:59] the lunatics in American politics today [02:00:02] are proud members of the far left. [02:00:06] After Charlie died, one of his friends [02:00:08] and one of our senior White House [02:00:10] staffers had left-leaning operatives in [02:00:13] his neighborhood passing out leaflets [02:00:16] telling people what he looked like and [02:00:18] where he lived, encouraging neighbors to [02:00:20] harass him or, god forbid, to do worse. [02:00:23] While he was mourning his dead friend, [02:00:27] he and his wife had to worry about the [02:00:29] political terrorists drawing a big [02:00:31] target on the home he shares with his [02:00:34] young children. Are these people [02:00:37] violent? I hope not. But are they guilty [02:00:40] of encouraging violence? You damn well [02:00:42] better believe it. We can thank God that [02:00:45] most Democrats don't share these [02:00:47] attitudes. And I do while acknowledging [02:00:50] that something has gone very wrong with [02:00:53] a lunatic fringe, a minority, but a [02:00:56] growing and powerful minority on the far [02:00:59] left. [02:01:01] There is no unity with people who scream [02:01:04] at children over their parents' [02:01:05] politics. There is no unity with someone [02:01:08] who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in [02:01:10] order to excuse his murder. There is no [02:01:13] unity with someone who harasses an [02:01:15] innocent family the day after the father [02:01:18] of that family lost a dear friend. There [02:01:20] is no unity with the people who [02:01:22] celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination. [02:01:25] And there is no unity with the people [02:01:27] who fund these articles, who pay the [02:01:29] salaries of these terrorist [02:01:31] sympathizers, who argue that Charlie [02:01:33] Kirk, a loving husband and father, [02:01:36] deserved a shot to the neck because he [02:01:39] spoke words with which they disagree. [02:01:43] Did you know that the George Soros Open [02:01:46] Society Foundation and the Ford [02:01:47] Foundation, the groups who funded that [02:01:50] disgusting article justifying Charlie's [02:01:52] death, do you know they benefit from [02:01:54] generous tax treatment? They are [02:01:56] literally subsidized by you and me, the [02:01:59] American taxpayer. And how do they [02:02:01] reward us? By setting fire to the house [02:02:04] built by the American family over 250 [02:02:07] years. I am desperate for our country to [02:02:10] be united in condemnation of the actions [02:02:13] and the ideas that killed my friend. I [02:02:15] want it so badly that I will tell you a [02:02:18] difficult truth. We can only have it [02:02:22] with people who acknowledge that [02:02:24] political violence is unacceptable and [02:02:26] when we work to dismantle the [02:02:29] institutions that promote violence and [02:02:32] terrorism in our own country. Now, our [02:02:35] government, you heard me talk to Steven [02:02:36] Miller about this, will be working very [02:02:38] hard to do exactly that in the months to [02:02:41] come. We're not always going to get it [02:02:43] right. We will sometimes move more [02:02:45] slowly than you would like. We will [02:02:47] sometimes move more slowly than I want [02:02:49] us to. But I promise you that we will [02:02:52] explore every option to bring real unity [02:02:55] to our country and stop those who would [02:02:58] kill their fellow Americans because they [02:03:00] don't like what they say. But you have a [02:03:03] role too. Civil society, Charlie [02:03:05] understood this well, is not just [02:03:07] something that flows from the [02:03:10] government. It flows from each and every [02:03:15] one of us. It flows from all of us. So [02:03:18] when you see someone celebrating [02:03:20] Charlie's murder, call them out in hell. [02:03:23] Call their employer. We don't believe in [02:03:25] political violence, but we do believe in [02:03:27] civility. And there is no civility in [02:03:29] the celebration of political [02:03:31] assassination. Get involved. Get [02:03:34] involved. Get involved. It's the best [02:03:36] way to honor Charlie's legacy. Start a [02:03:38] chapter of TPUSA or get involved in the [02:03:41] one that already exists. If you're [02:03:43] older, volunteer for your local party. [02:03:45] Write an op-ed in your local paper. Run [02:03:47] for office. I can't promise you this is [02:03:50] going to be easy. I can't promise you [02:03:53] that all of us will avoid Charlie's [02:03:54] fate. Can't promise you that I will [02:03:57] avoid Charlie's fate, but the way to [02:04:00] honor him is to shine the light of truth [02:04:03] like a torch in the very darkest places. [02:04:06] Go do it. We owe it to our friend to [02:04:09] ensure that his killer is not just [02:04:11] prosecuted, but punished. And the worst [02:04:14] punishment is not the death penalty, but [02:04:16] the knowledge that Charlie's mission [02:04:18] continues after he's gone. St. Paul [02:04:23] tells us in the book of Ephesians to put [02:04:25] on the full armor of God. Let all of us [02:04:29] put on that armor and commit ourselves [02:04:31] to that cause for which Charlie gave his [02:04:34] life to rebuild a united state of [02:04:38] America and to do it by telling the [02:04:41] truth. [02:04:49] [Music] [02:05:03] Heat. [02:05:07] Heat. [02:05:13] [Music] [02:05:27] [Music]