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[00:00:00] Oh boy, do we have some drama in the
[00:00:04] kingdom. We have a show today. Everyone
[00:00:06] is losing their minds. Um, collectively,
[00:00:10] if you've been following anything that's
[00:00:12] been happening on X,
[00:00:13] >> conspiracy [music] theories are entering
[00:00:15] a danger.
[00:00:16] >> Information is the oxygen of the
[00:00:19] democracy. There's so much evidence out
[00:00:20] there that even if less than 1% [music]
[00:00:23] is true,
[00:00:25] that would be enough to collapse the
[00:00:27] current paradigm and change the whole
[00:00:30] planet.
[00:00:34] >> X has been a total meltdown, a total
[00:00:37] [ __ ] show. The YouTube spaces has been
[00:00:40] this crazy back and forth. It's all
[00:00:42] centering around Candace Owens and her
[00:00:44] reporting and then people going after
[00:00:45] her and then Mitch Snow and the
[00:00:48] reporting there. And I've been largely
[00:00:50] staying out of it um as much as
[00:00:52] possible. Okay. As much as possible.
[00:00:55] So um we're going to get into all of
[00:00:57] that today. And we're going to use that
[00:00:59] conversation and that drama to demo my
[00:01:03] new tool a little bit. And we're
[00:01:06] probably going to go for quite a while
[00:01:07] here. Um honestly, I mean, it's been
[00:01:09] Christmas. We've been busy. I've been
[00:01:11] gone. I've been [ __ ] coding
[00:01:14] vibe coding to be clear. [snorts] Um
[00:01:16] I've been vibing hard. I'm literally
[00:01:18] addicted to vibe coding. And so I've
[00:01:21] just been [ __ ] in here just like
[00:01:24] for days. Um all day, all night. Um I
[00:01:28] haven't slept, I haven't changed, I
[00:01:30] haven't showered, I haven't shaved. Um I
[00:01:32] haven't eaten. I'm I'm kidding,
[00:01:34] obviously. Um and I've been nerding out.
[00:01:39] And um the tool is amazing and we're
[00:01:42] going to use it today and I'm still
[00:01:44] working on it. Uh but it's amazing. But
[00:01:47] yeah, we're going to we're going to
[00:01:49] watch. So if you don't know, I'll just
[00:01:51] fill you in on the background while
[00:01:52] people get in here. Candace Owens is on
[00:01:54] break right now. And right before the
[00:01:56] break, she had a pretty heater week
[00:01:57] where she dropped this interview with
[00:01:59] Mitch Snow. And then she dropped a whole
[00:02:01] bunch more episodes of just kind of
[00:02:02] rapidfire receipts and like claims and
[00:02:05] and uh stuff that she's been holding on
[00:02:07] to. And it was a big week for Candace,
[00:02:10] her last week here. And then she went on
[00:02:12] break for [clears throat] Christmas
[00:02:13] break. Bunch of stuff started happening
[00:02:16] behind the scenes. Um, I got caught up
[00:02:18] in some of the behind thes scenes mud
[00:02:20] that we'll comment on. We'll explain a
[00:02:22] little bit of what happened in this
[00:02:23] Twitter space last night.
[00:02:26] And Coach Colin,
[00:02:28] wise as he is, he made this prediction.
[00:02:31] He's like, I think I think that we're
[00:02:32] all getting Candace withdrawals, and I
[00:02:34] think even Candace is getting Candace
[00:02:35] withdrawals. I think Candace isn't gonna
[00:02:37] be able to get through this whole two
[00:02:38] weeks off without doing a live stream.
[00:02:40] And lo and behold, the very next day,
[00:02:43] Candace Owens is like, "We're hosting a
[00:02:44] live space tonight on X. We're gonna
[00:02:46] address all this stuff." And uh and a
[00:02:49] bunch of [ __ ] happened. And um rather
[00:02:52] than go and watch the XSpace video,
[00:02:54] because it was a video space, rather
[00:02:56] than go watch the original video space,
[00:02:59] we're going to watch Coach's replay of
[00:03:01] the space. We're going to watch the
[00:03:02] Coach Colin replay because Coach Colin
[00:03:04] is just hilarious. He's a good time. He
[00:03:07] already clipped out some of the segments
[00:03:08] and it's going to give us the
[00:03:10] opportunity to talk about clipping. But
[00:03:14] for this part, we're going to calm the
[00:03:15] [ __ ] down. Okay, we're just going to
[00:03:17] calm down because
[00:03:20] everyone is freaking the [ __ ] out and we
[00:03:23] could all really just use a chill pill.
[00:03:26] We could really use a chill pill. It'd
[00:03:28] be great if we could all stop taking
[00:03:30] things so damn personally and getting so
[00:03:33] defensive and attacking each other and
[00:03:38] over extrapolating on things that people
[00:03:41] aren't saying on misrepresenting people
[00:03:45] on straw manning people on,
[00:03:49] you know, dying on your hill or
[00:03:51] pretending that other people's
[00:03:52] perspective doesn't make sense when it
[00:03:54] obviously does. Okay, we're going to
[00:03:56] calm down. just calm down. Okay.
[00:04:00] And um we're going to watch [snorts] a
[00:04:04] Coach Colin video because co because
[00:04:06] coach is always chill. Coach Colin's
[00:04:08] always got his levelheaded thinking hat
[00:04:10] on. You know Coach Colin. [snorts] If
[00:04:13] you don't know Coach Colin, you're about
[00:04:15] to know Coach Colin, homie.
[00:04:18] Say what up to Coach. If you don't
[00:04:21] already, drop him a follow. Drop him a
[00:04:23] huge follow and a like. Coach is the
[00:04:25] man.
[00:04:27] and he's always bringing the level head.
[00:04:29] He's always just calm and just telling
[00:04:32] it like it is, okay, and dropping some
[00:04:34] funny jokes along the way.
[00:04:37] And in this, the nice thing about this
[00:04:40] episode, it's long. We'll go at 1.25 or
[00:04:42] something. We're going to have a long
[00:04:44] stream today, folks. We're going to hang
[00:04:45] out.
[00:04:47] But in this episode, Coach Colin is
[00:04:50] going to break down what happened on the
[00:04:52] space with Candace Owens and the various
[00:04:54] other speakers that were in there.
[00:04:55] what's been going on behind the scenes.
[00:04:57] He'll comment on a bunch of the other
[00:04:59] associated topics. So, he's going to do
[00:05:01] a good job of kind of prompting our
[00:05:03] conversation to wind through a lot of
[00:05:06] these other pieces of the conversation.
[00:05:07] And there's a bunch of context that I'm
[00:05:09] going to give about what I said in the
[00:05:10] space, what other people were saying
[00:05:11] about the space. Um,
[00:05:14] I've been purposely trying to stay the
[00:05:16] [ __ ] out of this conversation about Fort
[00:05:18] Wuka because I just don't know the I I
[00:05:21] don't know Mitch and I don't know the
[00:05:22] evidence that Candace has seen. I know
[00:05:24] some of what she's seen, but like I
[00:05:26] don't know the story. She's g she's
[00:05:28] she's on it and she's figuring it out
[00:05:29] and she'll do the investigation her way
[00:05:31] and she'll do it and that's fine and I
[00:05:33] don't need to like police her about
[00:05:35] whether she's in it or not, you know? I
[00:05:37] don't need to solve it for her. I'm
[00:05:39] working on my own angles on the story.
[00:05:42] Um I have learned from watching how
[00:05:44] Candace has handled it. I've learned
[00:05:46] from watching Candace handle all kinds
[00:05:47] of things.
[00:05:48] >> [snorts]
[00:05:48] >> Um, but I'm inevitably anytime that
[00:05:50] Candace Owens is doing something, I
[00:05:51] inevitably become like a conduit of
[00:05:53] people trying to get to Candace Owens.
[00:05:54] And it's like
[00:05:57] that's not that's not how you get a hold
[00:05:58] of Candace Owens. Sorry, it doesn't work
[00:06:00] that way. Um, [snorts]
[00:06:03] so coach is going to break it down for
[00:06:05] us. And once again, I want to remind you
[00:06:08] all that I am obviously not the arbiter
[00:06:10] of truth. I'm not the arbiter of
[00:06:12] justice. I'm not the arbiter of of what
[00:06:15] you should believe or anything like
[00:06:17] that. So, I'm just going to share my
[00:06:18] opinions and what I know and what what
[00:06:22] information I have behind the scenes and
[00:06:24] what I think of people. Um, and what
[00:06:26] questions I have and hopefully I'll
[00:06:29] share a perspective with you that will
[00:06:32] remind us all to chill the [ __ ] out and
[00:06:33] just think for yourself and don't
[00:06:35] [ __ ] stress it, dude. Don't take it
[00:06:37] so personally. Don't Don't worry about
[00:06:40] it. It's gonna be fine [laughter]
[00:06:43] because oh lord, it'd be crazy out here.
[00:06:47] So,
[00:06:50] let's talk about foruka
[00:06:52] and Candace Owens and all the wild
[00:06:55] developments that have happened and all
[00:06:56] of the piling on and smears and slander
[00:06:59] and attacks and and hos uh sorry uh I I
[00:07:03] don't I didn't mean to say Hosbra. I
[00:07:05] mean to say like um like not even
[00:07:07] propaganda like scops that are floating
[00:07:10] in the space. Um yeah, let's let's
[00:07:14] unpack some of this [ __ ]
[00:07:17] >> Whoop whoop whoop whoop. What up coach?
[00:07:20] >> Let's get into it. Ladies and gentlemen,
[00:07:23] for those of you that don't know, like I
[00:07:25] said, didn't I call it? Didn't I call
[00:07:27] it? I didn't even think of this. I said
[00:07:29] I'm like I think Candace is going
[00:07:30] through her own Candace withdrawals.
[00:07:32] It's not just us that are like, "Oh,
[00:07:33] when's she going live again?" It's not
[00:07:35] just us because she's taking she's
[00:07:36] taking she's not coming back until next
[00:07:38] year, guys. So, into Janu, early
[00:07:40] January, that's when we're going to see
[00:07:41] an episode from her. But she was getting
[00:07:43] her own withdrawals and there was so
[00:07:45] much stuff popping off that she just had
[00:07:48] to go live. But
[00:07:50] >> you didn't miss it. Well, you did, but
[00:07:51] it wasn't on YouTube. It was actually on
[00:07:53] X. Okay. So, she went live on X just
[00:07:56] talking about
[00:07:56] >> I was like in a in like a business
[00:07:58] meeting unrelated, just like doing my
[00:08:00] thing with some other homies. um talking
[00:08:02] things through and I start my my phone
[00:08:04] just starts blowing up with text
[00:08:06] messages like Ian Candace Owens is in in
[00:08:08] the space. Candace Owens is asking for
[00:08:10] you to join the space. Candace Owens is
[00:08:11] wondering if you're in the space, bro.
[00:08:12] You're going to be in the space, bro.
[00:08:14] And I'm like, dude, okay, [ __ ] okay,
[00:08:16] fine. Chill. I'll be there. I was like,
[00:08:19] "Guys, I got to go." [laughter]
[00:08:21] and like rolled into the space halfway
[00:08:22] through with and I was like and I'd been
[00:08:24] literally vibe coding all day long just
[00:08:26] like on four screens like
[00:08:29] so my brain is already like total mush
[00:08:31] and I like get into the space I'm like
[00:08:33] what's going on like what is happening
[00:08:35] guys everyone's yelling at each other
[00:08:37] and you're all my friends everyone just
[00:08:39] calm down
[00:08:43] but it was a good time you know we had
[00:08:44] we had about Fort Wuka giving a whole
[00:08:46] breakdown of where she stands on
[00:08:47] everything Mitch Fort Wuka why it's
[00:08:49] important all these different things.
[00:08:51] Had a bunch of different people in who
[00:08:52] spoke a little bit here and there, but I
[00:08:55] have it all for you. Don't worry about
[00:08:57] it. I have it for you. I'm going to give
[00:08:59] you all the breakdown. It was an hour
[00:09:01] and a half. I'm bringing you all the
[00:09:02] best parts. We're going to start off
[00:09:03] with why it's so important.
[00:09:05] >> She breaks down why she thinks it's so
[00:09:07] important. There's another journalist in
[00:09:08] there named Sam. He breaks down why he
[00:09:09] thinks it's so important as well. Then
[00:09:11] we're going to go through alibis. She
[00:09:12] just talks about the alibis of Brian
[00:09:13] Harpole, Erica Kirk, you know, or lack
[00:09:16] [snorts] thereof, why they're going to
[00:09:18] ball tones with their stuff. Gary from
[00:09:20] Paramount Tactical, why aren't they
[00:09:22] coming to her? There's a whole bunch
[00:09:23] there. Then we get into Mitch a little
[00:09:25] bit. Now, when every time I watch Coach
[00:09:27] Colin, I'm always wondering like, should
[00:09:28] I be like not saying names like Alex
[00:09:31] Jones? Should I not be saying Israel?
[00:09:33] Because I feel like I'm doing fine.
[00:09:34] Like, I don't think I'm getting any
[00:09:36] weird censorship or any weird push back
[00:09:37] from the platform.
[00:09:39] And like I don't think that's gonna save
[00:09:41] you, bro. But but it's kind of funny.
[00:09:44] Mitch, she's gonna be talking about what
[00:09:46] she verified and basically talking about
[00:09:48] how she doesn't particularly care about
[00:09:50] his past. She's not focused on that.
[00:09:52] She's focused on Fort Wuka. Did he see
[00:09:55] who he said that he saw? That's
[00:09:57] basically it. She's making that very
[00:09:59] clear. But I have a few clips on that.
[00:10:00] Few clips on the alibi. Then guys, this
[00:10:03] is very weird. Vala and Gary from
[00:10:06] Paramount Tactical. Now, we're going to
[00:10:08] listen to this together, okay? But I
[00:10:12] have some details on this stuff. I'll
[00:10:13] clarify it when we get there. I got a
[00:10:16] lot to clarify on that stuff. Um, I was
[00:10:18] involved in some of it and a lot of it I
[00:10:19] wasn't involved in, but I kind of know
[00:10:21] about it. [snorts] And then some of it,
[00:10:23] I think, is getting confused between
[00:10:24] multiple things. Um,
[00:10:27] she's saying that either they're they're
[00:10:30] both on recording or one of them is on
[00:10:32] recording. And man, do I hope it's
[00:10:34] scary.
[00:10:36] I'm pretty sure it's all Gary. Um I'm
[00:10:39] not 100% sure, but um I'm pretty sure
[00:10:42] that it's it's all Gary that's in those
[00:10:44] phone calls that he's referring to that
[00:10:45] we'll get to later. Um I think we'll
[00:10:47] probably find out. I think Candace will
[00:10:48] probably post them at some point.
[00:10:51] Do I hope it's Gary? I hope that it's
[00:10:53] Gary. I'm just saying, you know. Um but
[00:10:56] she's saying that Mitch recorded a
[00:10:58] conversation that he had or
[00:11:00] conversations he had with either
[00:11:02] Valhalla or Gary Paramount Tactical. And
[00:11:04] this apparently was a very positive
[00:11:06] conversation where they were being very
[00:11:08] nice to him. So that's very interesting.
[00:11:10] Then
[00:11:11] >> yeah, I think that Candace sometimes
[00:11:12] confuses Paramount and Vajala um because
[00:11:15] she doesn't know them or interact with
[00:11:17] them and
[00:11:19] it's not really her her game. Um I don't
[00:11:22] know. So I think there's been some
[00:11:23] miscommunication about who's doing what.
[00:11:25] Ian talks a little bit about Vajala as
[00:11:26] well because Candon Candace she brings
[00:11:28] up Vajala VFT. So I know I know Vajala
[00:11:32] bro I know you wanted to make one video.
[00:11:34] He said, "This is one and done, but you
[00:11:36] might want to make another video just
[00:11:37] checking this whole thing out." You
[00:11:38] know, I'm pretty sure Nate's going live
[00:11:39] today and then we're going to end it off
[00:11:41] to comment on it. I think it was Andrew.
[00:11:42] >> And you'll understand what that means
[00:11:44] when we get to it because there's
[00:11:45] someone in this chat who got a very
[00:11:48] credible piece of information about
[00:11:50] Charlie Kirk and what happened to him
[00:11:52] two weeks before it happened. And he's
[00:11:55] questioned on who actually told him
[00:11:57] about that piece of information. But
[00:11:59] we'll get to that. But let's start. And
[00:12:01] there's new developments on who told
[00:12:02] Harrison Smith the stuff today. As of
[00:12:05] like an hour or two ago, it happened
[00:12:07] live while he was on InfoWars today.
[00:12:09] There's new developments about his
[00:12:10] source that said that Charlie was afraid
[00:12:12] that Israel would kill him. Yeah. And
[00:12:15] all this is not to mention that Baron's
[00:12:17] been dropping bombs for a whole week
[00:12:19] now. Baron had 30,000 live viewers on
[00:12:22] his stream like three days ago or
[00:12:24] whatever it was.
[00:12:27] What was it last Friday? Was it on
[00:12:28] Sunday? It was crazy. Baron is killing
[00:12:31] the game and he's doing great reporting,
[00:12:34] too. No, it's no surprise that he's got
[00:12:35] so many viewers. Start out right at the
[00:12:37] top with why it's so important. There it
[00:12:39] is. Candace dressed like Sherlock
[00:12:41] Holmes. I mean, I mean, I got to say it.
[00:12:44] You know, Sherlock Sherlock Owens in the
[00:12:46] house, ladies and gentlemen, here to
[00:12:48] solve the case. All right, let's start
[00:12:49] it off
[00:12:49] >> yourself and jump in. That would be
[00:12:50] great.
[00:12:51] >> Uh, yeah, thanks for for having me. I
[00:12:53] guess uh my whole thing is why does this
[00:12:55] meeting even matter? like what is the
[00:12:57] actual claim that's being made here?
[00:12:59] That's been my confusion the whole
[00:13:01] point, the whole time is like, okay,
[00:13:03] let's say that there's absolute proof,
[00:13:05] you know, photographic evidence that
[00:13:06] everything
[00:13:07] >> So, this is Harrison Smith speaking. Um,
[00:13:09] good friends with Harrison Smith. I love
[00:13:10] him a lot. He works at Infowars as a
[00:13:13] reporter. Um, we'll listen to some of
[00:13:16] his comments here. I'll have a little
[00:13:17] bit to add. They got very heated.
[00:13:19] Everyone's piling on to Harrison and
[00:13:21] Harrison's like firing back and it's a
[00:13:23] whole thing. Um, a whole bunch of drama.
[00:13:25] >> Mitch now says it's true. Like, who
[00:13:27] cares? I mean, what does that prove?
[00:13:28] What is the actual accusation? Who who
[00:13:29] do you think was conspiring with who to
[00:13:31] do what? And I think it, you know,
[00:13:33] obviously the name of the episode was,
[00:13:34] you know, the day before Charlie Kirk
[00:13:36] was murdered. The the insinuation is
[00:13:37] that this was a assassination planning
[00:13:39] meeting, which I I don't uh I don't even
[00:13:42] see any evidence of that. And then
[00:13:43] people I'm arguing with online are
[00:13:44] saying, "No, no, this has nothing to do
[00:13:45] with the assassination."
[00:13:46] >> Yeah.
[00:13:46] >> So, uh yeah, I guess you know, if the
[00:13:48] space is why this matters, why does
[00:13:50] forakuka even matter? Like what? Um,
[00:13:53] before Colin gets into it, I'm just
[00:13:56] going to offer an analogy here. Um, I
[00:13:58] respectfully disagree with Harrison on
[00:14:00] this point, but I want to remind us all
[00:14:03] that when you're talking to other
[00:14:06] people, friends even or colleagues in
[00:14:08] good faith, and they're there in good
[00:14:10] faith, you don't have to personally
[00:14:12] attack people, and I'm not accusing
[00:14:14] Candace or Harrison of doing that. I'm
[00:14:15] just saying that like you can
[00:14:17] respectfully disagree and offer your
[00:14:19] arguments, and if you still don't agree
[00:14:21] on the arguments, that's fine. That's
[00:14:22] totally fine. The way that I see it is,
[00:14:26] and I often I like to take things out of
[00:14:28] context into a different context that's
[00:14:29] very similar. Um, so you can remove some
[00:14:31] of the emotion and and you know, maybe
[00:14:33] you're calling it a straw man. That's
[00:14:34] that's fair if you want to call it that.
[00:14:36] But here's here's an analogy. If you're
[00:14:38] investigating a murder in this house and
[00:14:40] there's a husband and wife and it's it's
[00:14:42] all a little sketchy and you don't
[00:14:43] exactly know what happened and then
[00:14:45] you're obviously you're doing your due
[00:14:46] diligence, so you go to the neighbor's
[00:14:48] house and in the neighbor's house you
[00:14:51] sit down to ask them questions
[00:14:53] and they start acting really [ __ ]
[00:14:55] weird and the wife neighbor is like,
[00:14:57] "Oh, like I don't even know what
[00:14:59] happened. I mean, I was busy the entire
[00:15:00] time. I was I actually was over at this
[00:15:03] other place and and I I I I couldn't
[00:15:05] have been there because I have an alibi
[00:15:06] and all like, you know, I'm I'm making
[00:15:09] up a story here, but like if they start
[00:15:10] acting really weird around their
[00:15:13] conversation about what happened at the
[00:15:14] neighbor's house with the murder, then
[00:15:16] you would just be curious, right? You'd
[00:15:19] be curious and you might want to
[00:15:21] investigate that and you wouldn't that
[00:15:23] wouldn't mean that you know that they
[00:15:24] did anything. It would just mean that
[00:15:26] that's sort of suspicious and I should
[00:15:28] look into it and it would become an open
[00:15:30] thread in your mind as an investigator
[00:15:32] and maybe it leads nowhere, but you
[00:15:34] still investigate it. Another scenario
[00:15:38] that's a little maybe a little closer to
[00:15:40] what we're talking about here. You go to
[00:15:42] the neighbor's house for information and
[00:15:44] the neighbors say that actually
[00:15:49] they know the mailman that works the
[00:15:51] route
[00:15:52] and he's kind of weird. But the real
[00:15:55] weird thing is that the wife works next
[00:15:57] to this military base. And the wife
[00:16:01] actually saw their mailman going into
[00:16:04] the military base the day before this
[00:16:07] murder happened.
[00:16:09] And she didn't know what it meant, but
[00:16:10] it was just weird. She just thought it
[00:16:11] was weird. And he's a weird guy. And she
[00:16:13] just thought that she would mention it.
[00:16:15] And so you'd be like, "That is a little
[00:16:17] weird. Maybe I should just go talk to
[00:16:19] the mailman and see what's up with
[00:16:21] that." because mailmen don't normally go
[00:16:22] to military bases. And so then you go to
[00:16:25] talk to the mailman and then the mailman
[00:16:27] gets kind of evasive and kind of offers
[00:16:29] some weird alibi stuff and like you
[00:16:31] would just be kind of suspicious of the
[00:16:32] mailman suddenly,
[00:16:34] right?
[00:16:36] And that doesn't mean so like so then
[00:16:38] the implication of that is that well if
[00:16:41] the mailman was on a military base the
[00:16:43] day before the murder then you must be
[00:16:45] assuming that the mailman it's like
[00:16:47] maybe that's I mean that's maybe the
[00:16:48] primary suspicion but I don't know that
[00:16:51] right I don't I don't know that for
[00:16:52] sure. All I know, and this is how
[00:16:55] Candace has more or less phrased this
[00:16:57] argument, as far as I can hear it, but
[00:16:58] you're free to disagree, is that you
[00:17:01] don't know for sure that that's what
[00:17:02] that means, but you want to investigate
[00:17:05] it. And all you can say is that you have
[00:17:07] a witness that put him there, and you
[00:17:09] can only trust that witness as far as
[00:17:10] you can trust her, but she is the
[00:17:12] neighbor, so she does have like she she
[00:17:14] can prove that she knows the mailman.
[00:17:15] She can prove the relevancy of these
[00:17:17] things. And then so you go to the army
[00:17:19] base and you actually get confirmation
[00:17:21] that the mailman was there from multiple
[00:17:23] different angles and you're like, "Well,
[00:17:25] that's really [ __ ] weird." All right,
[00:17:28] mailman. Like I mean, the more the more
[00:17:30] accurate is that like
[00:17:33] is not necessarily that you can prove
[00:17:34] that the mailman was there, but that you
[00:17:36] can prove that the the the neighbor
[00:17:38] works there, and you can prove that
[00:17:39] there was a weird meeting there, and you
[00:17:41] don't know if the mailman was there, but
[00:17:42] you're like, "Okay, this is getting a
[00:17:44] little weird." and you still don't know
[00:17:45] for sure that that has anything to do
[00:17:47] with the murder. It's just suspicious
[00:17:49] timing. Okay, it's suspicious timing.
[00:17:51] And so you just inherently that's an
[00:17:53] open thread in your mind. But then if
[00:17:55] like every mailman in the town starts
[00:17:58] putting up a big propaganda campaign of
[00:18:00] like don't look into mailmen. Mailmen
[00:18:02] are always innocent. You're an evil
[00:18:04] person for looking into this mailman.
[00:18:06] You know what I'm saying? You know, you
[00:18:07] know what I'm saying? Then you're like,
[00:18:09] wait, what are all the mailmen doing?
[00:18:11] This is weird.
[00:18:13] This is super weird. We're like, are all
[00:18:17] the mailmen in on this? I'm very
[00:18:18] confused, right? And so, which it would
[00:18:21] peique your investigative like
[00:18:23] curiosity.
[00:18:25] And I jumped in um in this space when
[00:18:27] Candace and Harrison were kind of going
[00:18:29] back and forth because they don't know
[00:18:30] each other. Um and it's always easier to
[00:18:32] kind of get heated with someone that you
[00:18:33] don't know that is just like an
[00:18:34] anonymous voice on the internet,
[00:18:36] especially when you're being critical of
[00:18:37] each other's ideas. And I jumped in
[00:18:39] knowing both of them quite well actually
[00:18:41] uh to try to like offer a little bit of
[00:18:43] a olive branch between them to remind
[00:18:44] everyone that like like they're both
[00:18:47] very smart people in very different
[00:18:48] ways. But Candace's career is all about
[00:18:51] chasing current ongoing investigations
[00:18:54] in the way that she does. And Harrison
[00:18:56] does a lot of ongoing speculation about
[00:18:58] the world and he thinks very very
[00:18:59] critically about the world and he's very
[00:19:00] much a freethinker but his job every day
[00:19:03] is to report the news as it's being
[00:19:05] reported and those are just inherently
[00:19:07] different frames of referencing to data
[00:19:10] and information and different ways of
[00:19:11] talking in front of the camera. Um, so I
[00:19:14] was like, maybe maybe there's a little
[00:19:15] bit of a disconnect in how you guys each
[00:19:17] go about investigations because Harrison
[00:19:20] is always reporting based on what
[00:19:21] reporting has come out about the mailman
[00:19:23] and Candace is the one that's like going
[00:19:25] to chase down the mailman and being
[00:19:27] like, "What the [ __ ] were you doing at
[00:19:29] this base mailman, right?"
[00:19:32] So that that's kind of the way that I
[00:19:34] feel about the suspicion of it. And
[00:19:36] personally, I don't [ __ ] trust Mitch.
[00:19:38] I I'll just say it. I don't trust Mitch.
[00:19:40] I haven't trusted Mitch since the
[00:19:41] beginning. And if you guys have noticed,
[00:19:43] I haven't talked about this story at
[00:19:44] all. I've purposely avoided this story
[00:19:46] because I just don't trust Mitch. I
[00:19:49] trust Candace's ability to to to vet
[00:19:52] things, and I know her like her team's
[00:19:54] ability to vet things is greater than my
[00:19:56] own in almost every instance that I've
[00:19:58] ever had. Um, so in knowing some of what
[00:20:02] Candace had about proving that Mitch was
[00:20:05] actually where he said he was, I always
[00:20:07] knew that there was more to it than a
[00:20:09] lot of the detractors had to say. But I
[00:20:12] still don't trust Mitch. And I didn't
[00:20:14] trust him before people brought up a
[00:20:16] bunch of old criminal history of his and
[00:20:18] maybe more recent. And then people
[00:20:21] brought up criminal history or like, you
[00:20:22] know, possibly lying of the women that
[00:20:24] are accusing him. And it's all becoming
[00:20:25] of it's becoming Jerry Springer, which
[00:20:28] is why I was avoiding it. It's becoming
[00:20:31] It's becoming my right. Um, and that
[00:20:34] doesn't mean it's not important. It
[00:20:35] doesn't mean it might not lead to
[00:20:36] something. It doesn't mean it's true. I
[00:20:39] don't [ __ ] know. But I'm glad someone
[00:20:41] is out there looking into it cuz someone
[00:20:44] should look into it. It's an open lead.
[00:20:48] And later on, I'm sure I'll give more
[00:20:50] context of the actual pieces of evidence
[00:20:52] and the timing of when Candace got them
[00:20:54] and the timing of Mitch Snow getting
[00:20:57] those pieces of evidence relative to the
[00:20:59] episode and the story and this moment.
[00:21:02] Because actually, when you know where
[00:21:04] the evidence came from, what timing the
[00:21:06] evidence came from, you realize that
[00:21:08] like
[00:21:10] this would be the most advanced con in
[00:21:12] the history of cons if this was just a
[00:21:15] con. Like it would be kind of
[00:21:17] unbelievable. It would almost be a more
[00:21:19] interesting story if it was a con
[00:21:21] because then
[00:21:23] I it's the biggest coincidence in the
[00:21:25] entire [ __ ] world because the
[00:21:27] metadata of the evidence that Mitch has
[00:21:30] that he was at that base at that time,
[00:21:32] that metadata was produced before
[00:21:34] Charlie was killed.
[00:21:38] So
[00:21:40] that would be weird.
[00:21:43] But we're getting ahead of ourselves.
[00:21:44] We'll get to that when we get to it.
[00:21:46] >> But is the claim being made? I I I still
[00:21:48] don't even understand that.
[00:21:49] >> So, it matters because why would Brian
[00:21:50] Harpole be on Fort Wuka at all? Right.
[00:21:52] It matters because he's giving an alibi,
[00:21:53] which means he doesn't want to be
[00:21:54] associated. Like, it could have easily
[00:21:55] not mattered kind of to speak to your
[00:21:57] credit. He could have been like, "Yeah,
[00:21:58] I was at Fort Wuka with my brother. Um,
[00:21:59] and my brother's in the military. I was
[00:22:01] dropping off some food." Uh, okay. Like,
[00:22:03] that could have been suddenly a dead
[00:22:04] end. That would have been nothing. Now,
[00:22:06] because Mitch had described this as a
[00:22:08] top
[00:22:09] >> or he could have just gotten in touch
[00:22:10] with Candace and been like, "I wasn't
[00:22:12] there and I'll share whatever you want,
[00:22:14] but I wasn't there and if you pursue
[00:22:17] this story anymore, I'll sue you. Here's
[00:22:20] a cease and desist." He could have done
[00:22:22] that
[00:22:24] because a cease and desist is the first
[00:22:25] step of a lawsuit. as Candace points out
[00:22:27] here,
[00:22:28] >> secret meeting in an offsite building
[00:22:30] and had described this as top brass at
[00:22:32] the Pentagon and said that these sorts
[00:22:34] of meetings and I am forgetting the
[00:22:35] military term or when you're just about
[00:22:36] to embark on like a mission. I know I
[00:22:37] sound I really uneducated but military
[00:22:40] guys will sound better saying that it
[00:22:41] was compelling like okay like I said
[00:22:42] Brian Harpole was acting funny. He's
[00:22:44] been acting weird. He's been telling
[00:22:45] verifiable lies and he cared enough to
[00:22:48] present an alibi meaning he didn't want
[00:22:49] people to think he was there. Right? So
[00:22:51] if you have to if you have to give
[00:22:52] someone an alibi it's because you don't
[00:22:54] want people to think that you're there.
[00:22:55] Um,
[00:22:56] >> so again, that would be like the mailman
[00:22:58] saying like, "I was with my cousin on
[00:23:01] that day. I couldn't have been at that
[00:23:03] military base."
[00:23:06] And then you go look for a cousin and
[00:23:07] you don't really find a cousin and he
[00:23:10] like offers you a message to a guy that
[00:23:12] says cousin and you're like, "Yeah,
[00:23:14] okay." But like that's a little flimsy.
[00:23:18] It would be kind of like that. I mean,
[00:23:19] and I I know when you draw parallels,
[00:23:21] it's kind of a straw man, but I'm just
[00:23:24] saying it's like it's a little weird
[00:23:25] that the alibis that are offered are not
[00:23:28] very concrete and there's no cease and
[00:23:30] desist being sent, but there's all these
[00:23:33] backhanded tactics being done behind the
[00:23:35] scenes is all very strange. It's very
[00:23:38] strange. It's piqued my interest far
[00:23:39] more. At first, I was like, "Whatever.
[00:23:41] Candace is going to run this story down.
[00:23:43] I'm just going to ignore it and keep
[00:23:44] doing what I'm doing and we'll see what
[00:23:46] happens." And as the
[00:23:49] uh blowback over this story has built, I
[00:23:52] have gotten way more curious about it as
[00:23:55] she's saying, and I think a lot of
[00:23:56] people probably have because it's like,
[00:23:59] what what's going on?
[00:24:02] >> There is an alibi is not needed if
[00:24:04] there's nothing to hide.
[00:24:05] >> So that's why it matters. I think that's
[00:24:06] why it matters. And the reaction this
[00:24:08] reaction uh rather than being
[00:24:09] forthcoming is why it suddenly feels
[00:24:11] like, okay, this is important because no
[00:24:13] one's acting normal. No one's just like,
[00:24:14] oh yeah, cool. He was there. And I'm
[00:24:16] just gonna put words into Candace's
[00:24:18] mouth for a second here. I don't think
[00:24:19] she's talking about like no one's acting
[00:24:21] normal like Harrison and people on X and
[00:24:24] like general citizens and like people
[00:24:27] with opinions on the internet. That's
[00:24:28] not who she's talking about. She's
[00:24:30] talking about insiders behind the
[00:24:31] scenes. She's talking about like
[00:24:33] influence operations behind the scenes.
[00:24:34] She's talking about Brian Harple
[00:24:36] himself. She's talking about TPUSA and
[00:24:38] Erica. She's talking about like this
[00:24:40] quiet campaign behind the curtain. Um,
[00:24:45] that's what's weird. X is always gonna
[00:24:48] be X. X is a [ __ ] show and it's always a
[00:24:49] [ __ ] show and that's what it is.
[00:24:51] >> Like, it also is, as we have now
[00:24:53] learned, it isn't it's an intel base.
[00:24:54] Um, he was telling the truth about
[00:24:56] exactly what building it was. I didn't
[00:24:57] name the building on my show because I
[00:24:59] didn't I wasn't sure if that would be
[00:25:00] like a national security problem, but it
[00:25:01] just happened to be that JTF was
[00:25:03] borrowing that off-site building. Uh,
[00:25:05] and it was supposed to be a top secret
[00:25:08] meeting uh for those purposes. Somebody
[00:25:09] that was involved in blacking out the
[00:25:11] windows had sent us a tip.
[00:25:14] Someone who is involved in blacking out
[00:25:15] the windows has sent us a tip.
[00:25:19] That's interesting to know.
[00:25:22] >> Again, it's how people are reacting to
[00:25:23] the meeting that lets us know that it's
[00:25:25] important.
[00:25:26] >> Uh, okay. I mean, I guess
[00:25:28] >> regarding the hotel, I never said it was
[00:25:30] important. Like, like I said, my
[00:25:31] perspective was there's a thousand
[00:25:33] different reasons that she could have
[00:25:33] been at that base. Her mother has a
[00:25:34] contract or had a contract, has a
[00:25:36] contract with the DoD. Erica has been
[00:25:38] open about her mother's um ties to the
[00:25:39] military in the past. actually did an
[00:25:41] interview and said that she moved to uh
[00:25:43] Arizona because her mother had a
[00:25:44] contract with the military. So,
[00:25:46] >> and you know, if I wanted to come back
[00:25:48] to this and remember that part for the
[00:25:50] future like a month from now, I could
[00:25:53] always pull up my boy web and just go
[00:25:57] search for like, hey, didn't coach Colin
[00:25:59] have an episode where someone talked
[00:26:01] about blacking out windows and I would
[00:26:02] find it right there and then I would
[00:26:04] click a link right there and then I
[00:26:07] would wind up right there.
[00:26:10] Yeah, baby. Yes, we would. Cuz we
[00:26:13] already got this episode in. You're dang
[00:26:15] straight. You're dang straight.
[00:26:19] >> Again, weird thing is when Andrew's
[00:26:21] like, "Eric wasn't in some fort." As if
[00:26:23] he's never heard of Fort Wuka. His
[00:26:24] brother is in the military. His brother
[00:26:25] is um a Captain Curt.
[00:26:28] >> We're going to hear a lot of people
[00:26:29] tonight um sort of pretend like Candace
[00:26:33] changed her story on a lot of these
[00:26:35] different p pieces, which she did not in
[00:26:37] most of these cases, as far as I can
[00:26:38] tell. And a lot of them are about how
[00:26:40] she apparently originally claimed that
[00:26:42] Erica was seen on the 9th and then she
[00:26:44] was claimed that Erica was seen on the
[00:26:45] ETH. As far as I'm aware, she was always
[00:26:47] saying that the blonde woman had been
[00:26:49] alleged to have seen been seen on the
[00:26:51] 8th and then the next day was when the
[00:26:54] allegedly this meeting had happened. And
[00:26:57] that's been my understanding of this all
[00:26:58] along. Um, and I think that when you
[00:27:02] know when people get emotional and
[00:27:03] people start accusing each other and
[00:27:04] start being really angry at each other,
[00:27:06] I think a lot of people lower their
[00:27:08] standard of speech and evidence to just
[00:27:11] start like being like [ __ ] you're
[00:27:12] changing your story and you're [ __ ]
[00:27:14] doing this and I'm and I'm kind of
[00:27:16] making Alex Jones voice because we're
[00:27:18] going to look at him saying these things
[00:27:19] later.
[00:27:20] >> British Kvette, his uh uh first cousin
[00:27:22] is Captain Robert Kovv. So that kind of
[00:27:25] a language is why I've named this why it
[00:27:27] suddenly really matters, right? It was
[00:27:28] sort of one episode. I didn't exactly
[00:27:30] dedicate a whole series to it. The
[00:27:32] reaction has been so almost like
[00:27:34] violently obsessed that the public is
[00:27:36] now going, "Oh, okay. Well, it feels
[00:27:38] like there's something here." I think
[00:27:39] that's just sort of our natural our
[00:27:40] natural instinct.
[00:27:41] >> Okay. I mean, I I think if you're saying
[00:27:43] that somebody is
[00:27:44] >> It's really funny that this guy who
[00:27:46] she's talking to, and I just want to
[00:27:47] like focus on her and and you know, the
[00:27:50] the clips that are really important, but
[00:27:51] she pretty much like kind of lays into
[00:27:53] this guy a little bit because he he's
[00:27:56] acting like he doesn't understand and
[00:27:57] he's acting like he's coming from this,
[00:27:59] I don't know, fair place, but at the
[00:28:00] same time, he works with balac
[00:28:04] tones. He works with him. So, we all
[00:28:06] know why he's there and that's why he's
[00:28:08] starting off his his conversation, his
[00:28:10] speaking with why does all this even
[00:28:11] matter? And then uh he
[00:28:13] >> to Harrison's credit, he's there because
[00:28:14] Candace called him there. Um and was he
[00:28:19] not going to show up? You know, like
[00:28:21] he's there because Candace called him
[00:28:23] there.
[00:28:25] So, let me just turn my light up a
[00:28:27] little bit. I turned it down earlier.
[00:28:30] Um and he does work with Alex Jones. He
[00:28:33] works for Alex Jones. He's an InfoWars
[00:28:34] reporter. Um we'll look at clips later.
[00:28:38] He doesn't get told what to say. Alex
[00:28:39] doesn't own his soul. Um, he frequently
[00:28:42] thinks things differently than Alex.
[00:28:44] >> He ends up being like, "This is a
[00:28:45] nothing burger and I don't think this is
[00:28:47] going to be anything."
[00:28:47] >> All that being said, I strongly disagree
[00:28:50] with Harrison on this topic
[00:28:51] specifically, but I don't care. Still
[00:28:54] dope. Still a good guy.
[00:28:56] >> And I don't I know you're insinuating
[00:28:57] you're insinuating that Erica Kirk has
[00:28:59] something to do with this and you say
[00:28:59] you're not, but I know you are and all
[00:29:01] this stuff. And then Candace actually
[00:29:02] very kindly just kind of goes, "Yeah,
[00:29:04] that's nice. That's that's good. We're
[00:29:04] going to move on to someone else." Like
[00:29:06] just I mean I'm not even going to get
[00:29:07] into it, but let's just focus on why
[00:29:08] Fort Wuka is important. But Bex B tones
[00:29:12] the fall-off needs to be studied. You
[00:29:14] know, billion dollars in debt. Hey, you
[00:29:15] know what? Honestly, what would you do
[00:29:16] if you were a billion dollars in debt?
[00:29:17] Huh?
[00:29:31] Never mind.
[00:29:33] You ever think of that? You might you
[00:29:35] might you might start doing stuff like
[00:29:36] Alex. You you might just start making
[00:29:37] things up and shouting and screaming and
[00:29:39] you know hooting and hollering doing
[00:29:40] whatever you were told, you know. Anyway
[00:29:42] anyway, let's just jump into this. I
[00:29:43] don't want to get focused on let's just
[00:29:44] say that in this industry it's not the
[00:29:47] debt that makes you do that.
[00:29:53] Bal just works my nerves at Bix that
[00:29:55] tones. Anyway, let's get into the next
[00:29:57] clip.
[00:29:59] >> Okay, so I have that on double speed. Of
[00:30:01] course you guys know me. I'm I'm I'm
[00:30:02] double speed McCoy. Not to be confused
[00:30:04] with the magnificent, handsome, chiseled
[00:30:06] Mikey McCoy. I'm just double speed McCoy
[00:30:08] >> for you. Why are you lying?
[00:30:09] >> Well, that's not going to work.
[00:30:09] >> Well, since you mentioned Andrew
[00:30:10] Kovacanis, if I may, if I may jump in.
[00:30:12] Um, you know, and to address Harrison.
[00:30:15] >> So, now this is Sam Parker speaking.
[00:30:18] >> And one of the things that I remember
[00:30:20] that I keep in mind throughout this
[00:30:21] entire investigation is in an
[00:30:23] investigation, details matter. But you
[00:30:25] don't know what details matter until you
[00:30:26] investigate them, right? and and and you
[00:30:29] know when this and as an outside
[00:30:32] observer on this particular story, the
[00:30:34] Fort Wuka story, all of a sudden I've
[00:30:36] been air dropped this detail that one of
[00:30:38] the top members of Charlie Kirk security
[00:30:41] detail is at an army intelligence base
[00:30:43] the day before Charlie's assassinated.
[00:30:46] Now, that's a detail. I don't know what
[00:30:48] it means. I don't know if it means
[00:30:49] anything. I don't know if it's important
[00:30:50] or not important, but that's a detail.
[00:30:52] That is a definite detail because Brian
[00:30:54] Harpull's job is to protect Charlie
[00:30:56] Kirk,
[00:30:57] >> right?
[00:30:57] >> That's his job. That's his job as one of
[00:30:59] the top members of the security detail
[00:31:00] is to protect Charlie Kirk who the next
[00:31:03] day was assassinated. So like this is an
[00:31:05] important detail. What is one of the top
[00:31:07] members of the security detail doing at
[00:31:09] an army intelligence base the day
[00:31:11] before? It might not mean anything, but
[00:31:13] maybe it means something. What does it
[00:31:15] mean? I don't know. I have to
[00:31:16] investigate it. Now, how does Andrew Kov
[00:31:18] come into this? I'm reminded of the fact
[00:31:20] that he told you, Candace, that you and
[00:31:23] Tucker were on some list and possibly
[00:31:26] >> I want you to remember that. We're going
[00:31:27] to go back to that near the end because
[00:31:29] somebody else brings up Andrew as well.
[00:31:32] And uh yeah, yeah, we we'll get into
[00:31:35] that. But he's 100% right. You don't
[00:31:37] know what details matter until you
[00:31:39] investigate them. And that's why, you
[00:31:42] know, when I did my video,
[00:31:45] >> Myron Gaines jumped into the space and
[00:31:46] dropped a really interesting perspective
[00:31:49] on this because he used to be a federal
[00:31:51] investigator. Um, and he just reminded
[00:31:54] everybody that normally in an
[00:31:56] investigation, investigators do have to
[00:31:58] run down leads to dead ends and they
[00:32:00] have to run down all sorts of suspicions
[00:32:02] that may or may not go anywhere. they
[00:32:04] have to look into the neighbors and they
[00:32:05] have to look into the mailman
[00:32:08] and whatever else comes up. Um, and he
[00:32:11] pointed out that the main difference
[00:32:13] here is that Candace is doing that, but
[00:32:14] she's doing it in front of millions of
[00:32:16] people every day. And so there's always
[00:32:18] armchair quarterbacks and there's
[00:32:20] always, you know, different My brought a
[00:32:22] really level perspective to it. Um, that
[00:32:24] was really refreshing because as someone
[00:32:26] who had worked in investigations, he
[00:32:30] understands them very well. and has
[00:32:32] someone who has worked in this media
[00:32:33] environment. He understands it quite
[00:32:35] well and he that's not who was talking
[00:32:38] right now. Myin had a different section
[00:32:39] that uh coach Colin does not clip but I
[00:32:42] just wanted to highlight it because what
[00:32:44] my said was very on the money that
[00:32:48] it's a whole different ballgame and
[00:32:50] people will criticize Candace for the
[00:32:52] way she's doing this but it's like
[00:32:55] how else are you going to do it? You got
[00:32:57] to look into these things. you got if
[00:32:59] you were like her friend was murdered.
[00:33:01] She's going to look into it. She's not
[00:33:03] going to stop and I don't blame her.
[00:33:06] I don't blame her. Um so she's going to
[00:33:08] look into it and it's going to be public
[00:33:10] and the best she can do is to just be
[00:33:12] really clear about like this is what I
[00:33:14] do know and I have this I have
[00:33:16] information to back these things up and
[00:33:18] this is what I don't know and this is
[00:33:19] speculation and this is what the w what
[00:33:21] he said is he witnessed but I can't
[00:33:23] speak for him because I I don't have his
[00:33:25] eyes. And I feel like she's done a
[00:33:27] pretty damn good job of that for the
[00:33:28] most part. She's done a better job than
[00:33:30] almost anyone else on the internet ever
[00:33:32] does. She's not perfect at it, but she's
[00:33:35] done a pretty good job of it. And I was
[00:33:37] talking about Candace's response to
[00:33:39] Valhalla where he was like, you know,
[00:33:41] case like this is done for anybody who
[00:33:43] has any logic. And I was like, h well,
[00:33:46] you know, like let's just see where she
[00:33:48] goes with it, [laughter] you know, let's
[00:33:49] not just close it off yet. And that's
[00:33:52] just my thinking. And and my thinking is
[00:33:54] like that towards anybody who's looking
[00:33:56] into Mitch. It's like keep going.
[00:33:58] >> Keep going.
[00:33:59] >> Like I know Val said he's kind of done.
[00:34:01] He just he had all the information. He
[00:34:03] wants to bang it out. Let everybody know
[00:34:05] who this guy is, what he is, and just
[00:34:07] leave it at that. But it's like, I don't
[00:34:10] know. Go deeper if you can. Why not?
[00:34:12] Let's hear everything about the guy.
[00:34:14] Let's I don't know. Um for
[00:34:17] clarification, chat's talking about the
[00:34:18] give and go that Candace set up. um it's
[00:34:21] [snorts] only messed up if he's actually
[00:34:22] an abuser. And I don't feel confident
[00:34:24] that we know that he is. If you actually
[00:34:26] follow the story of people digging up
[00:34:28] both sides of his past, I'm not entirely
[00:34:30] confident that the domestic abuse um
[00:34:33] charges and accusations and stuff like
[00:34:34] that are necessarily all true. Um I if
[00:34:38] they are, then [ __ ] him and [ __ ] that.
[00:34:40] And I I strongly agree with how Nate
[00:34:42] Valhalla VFT um represented what he knew
[00:34:47] at the time, what evidence he had and
[00:34:49] his condemnation of that behavior. 100%
[00:34:52] totally. But um this is why I hesitated
[00:34:56] to get into it and I hesitated even once
[00:34:58] people were showing me that kind of
[00:34:59] stuff. I'm like, "Yeah, but there's I I
[00:35:01] don't know. I'm not a family court and
[00:35:03] it's not my job to be a family court and
[00:35:05] I'm gonna wait and just see how the
[00:35:06] evidence plays out when people dig it
[00:35:08] all up because I know people are going
[00:35:09] to dig it all up and I don't know if he
[00:35:11] did those things or not. Um
[00:35:15] it like it looks to me like some of it
[00:35:17] at least he did which is not good. Um
[00:35:20] it's not good but I know that he was on
[00:35:23] the base and we'll get into that more in
[00:35:24] the future. I know he was on the base
[00:35:26] before Charlie was killed and I know we
[00:35:28] have literal digital fingerprint
[00:35:31] evidence of him being there. Very
[00:35:34] extensive digital evidence of him being
[00:35:35] there. So it's like I have to square
[00:35:37] these two things. A bad person can be in
[00:35:40] a place where they have evidence or
[00:35:41] witness to a crime. And
[00:35:46] so that you know it's just complicated
[00:35:48] and that's why I've not been reporting
[00:35:50] on it a lot and I've not been hitching
[00:35:52] my horse to it because it's just a whole
[00:35:54] minefield and I can't help but wonder if
[00:35:56] it being a minefield is not an accident
[00:36:00] and I don't know what direction it's not
[00:36:01] an accident but
[00:36:02] >> like maybe something will pop up and
[00:36:03] then all of a sudden it's like okay now
[00:36:05] I understand. Now I understand right
[00:36:07] there. Perfect.
[00:36:09] >> You just never know.
[00:36:10] >> Let the details keep rolling out man. I
[00:36:12] don't uh I don't want anybody to stop
[00:36:15] >> your mid.
[00:36:16] >> People email me all the time about uh
[00:36:18] Charlie being alive and I'm going to
[00:36:22] make a video on that eventually, but
[00:36:24] it's like let them keep going down that
[00:36:26] a
[00:36:26] >> Oh, what about the money? I don't know
[00:36:27] if you mean in the give and go, but the
[00:36:29] gifts and go has not been given to Mitch
[00:36:31] yet. Mitch has said that he doesn't want
[00:36:32] it unless his facts prove out to be true
[00:36:35] and actually lead the investigation
[00:36:36] forwards. And Candace, I think, is
[00:36:39] probably not going to give him the money
[00:36:40] if it turns out to be that he like
[00:36:43] really clearly is actually abusive and
[00:36:45] [ __ ] like that. Um,
[00:36:48] it's undecided yet. At this point, none
[00:36:51] of it has been given to Mitch. So,
[00:36:54] Avenue, there's people who are still
[00:36:56] towards the detonator, the palm gun,
[00:36:58] like you know, electrocution. Now, it's
[00:37:01] like let people just go off and figure
[00:37:04] out what makes sense and what doesn't.
[00:37:06] Just let them. Who cares?
[00:37:08] >> It's weird. It's weird that all of a
[00:37:10] sudden all of a sudden once people are
[00:37:12] honing in on a very credible detonation
[00:37:15] theory, a very credible shape charge
[00:37:18] microphone detonation theory is starting
[00:37:19] to get talked about, suddenly it's my
[00:37:22] out here. Suddenly, we are all
[00:37:24] distracted by
[00:37:29] people's past and by domestic violence
[00:37:31] and all this [ __ ] by the family courts.
[00:37:35] And I don't know if it's just Fort Wuka
[00:37:36] or maybe if it's more than just Fort
[00:37:38] Wuka, but it's just happens to coincide
[00:37:41] with largely Baron digging up and ex and
[00:37:46] uh loudspeakering John Bray's theories
[00:37:48] about a shape charge explosion in the
[00:37:50] microphone.
[00:37:52] So, you know, and going to what Candace
[00:37:55] said within these two clips, Candace
[00:37:57] talking about the reaction. The reaction
[00:37:59] is odd, man. Like, just let people go.
[00:38:02] Like if if you know something, let that
[00:38:04] be the thing that you know and let that
[00:38:07] be the reason why you don't go down the
[00:38:09] avenue that everybody else is going
[00:38:10] down, you know? It just kind of makes
[00:38:13] sense to me, especially when it's a
[00:38:14] crowdsource type of thing. That's the
[00:38:16] thing. When an investigation is
[00:38:19] crowdsourced,
[00:38:21] no one has any right to say this is a
[00:38:25] dead end. If somebody's like, I'm I'm
[00:38:28] going right. So, like Nate got in touch
[00:38:32] with me and was like, "Yo, I've got all
[00:38:34] this [ __ ] on Mitch Snow. He's a piece of
[00:38:36] [ __ ] Um, we should we should save
[00:38:39] Candace from this story. We should stop
[00:38:41] her from talking about it." Like other
[00:38:44] stuff. He wasn't pre like he wasn't
[00:38:46] being aggressive with me at all. We'll
[00:38:47] get to that later. Um,
[00:38:50] but I I was kind of just like I mean
[00:38:52] like I'll convey a message, but like I'm
[00:38:54] not going to tell people what to say or
[00:38:56] not to say. I'm not going to tell people
[00:38:57] what to do. And I'm also not going to
[00:38:59] jump on your bandwagon either because
[00:39:01] like I don't know, man. You should go
[00:39:04] down that and you should expose all of
[00:39:05] that. But like I'm gonna do what I'm
[00:39:07] doing. I'm gonna keep reporting on what
[00:39:08] I'm reporting on because shit's
[00:39:11] complicated out here. And you never know
[00:39:14] what's getting fed where, for what
[00:39:15] reasons. You never know what exactly is
[00:39:17] going on until often long after. So just
[00:39:20] let people dig. Let them go down the
[00:39:22] whole rabbit holes they're going to go
[00:39:24] down. And if they're getting distracted
[00:39:26] or they're getting tricked or they're
[00:39:28] getting played, then you know they'll
[00:39:30] learn from that and we'll all learn from
[00:39:31] watching it, right? You don't have to
[00:39:34] like, right, there's fed [ __ ] out here
[00:39:35] all over the place. There's scops flying
[00:39:37] left and right. People are going to get
[00:39:39] tricked. People are going to get played.
[00:39:41] Some people are [ __ ] in on it. Just
[00:39:44] just sit back and watch the crazy show
[00:39:46] and try to learn as much as you can. Um,
[00:39:49] and so I was, you know, I'll talk about
[00:39:50] it more in a bit when when it comes up,
[00:39:52] but I was kind of like, "Hey man, like
[00:39:53] I'm not I'm not going to [ __ ] try to
[00:39:56] tell anyone what to say and I'm not
[00:39:58] going to hitch my horse to any wagon and
[00:40:00] I'm not like the arbiter of Candace or
[00:40:02] anything like that. So,
[00:40:05] I'm doing this then. They're doing this.
[00:40:07] That's it. You don't get to be like,
[00:40:09] "No, no, you have to stop and do like,
[00:40:10] no, that's actually not how crowd
[00:40:12] sourcing works. Everybody is doing their
[00:40:14] own thing and it's all compiling. It's
[00:40:16] all compiling.
[00:40:18] >> Speaking of which, did you hear about
[00:40:19] what Ian's doing?
[00:40:21] >> Oh, it it whole video in and of itself
[00:40:24] making a It's like a It's a database
[00:40:26] with all of our videos. It's so It's so
[00:40:29] wild. We got Coach Colin right here to
[00:40:31] it right now. Coach episode's going to
[00:40:33] be like an hour long
[00:40:36] what that guy's doing. Just shout out to
[00:40:38] Ian. Incredible. Incredible. If you
[00:40:40] don't know what I'm talking about,
[00:40:42] coach, I'll hit you up on the DMs. I'll
[00:40:44] send it your way for the beta testing,
[00:40:46] bro. I'll let you beta test it. We're
[00:40:47] gonna need some journalists to beta test
[00:40:49] it with us before we give it out to the
[00:40:50] public to make sure that the public
[00:40:51] doesn't break it right away. So, coach,
[00:40:53] I'll hit you up. I would love to see
[00:40:55] other YouTube journalists use this [ __ ]
[00:40:58] and uh test it out and come up with use
[00:41:00] cases that we hadn't thought of before.
[00:41:03] I'll I'll make a video on it, man. But
[00:41:05] let's move on to alibis.
[00:41:08] Let's jump right in to alibis. We're
[00:41:10] going to start off. Let me see who we're
[00:41:12] starting off with. I believe it's
[00:41:14] Then we're going to jump over to uh
[00:41:18] Candace talking about messaging Brian
[00:41:20] Harpole, getting silence from him. Uh
[00:41:23] Brian and Turning Point and how their
[00:41:25] situation actually went. I have a clip a
[00:41:27] little bit about that. I didn't realize
[00:41:28] this. Um turns out he actually was
[00:41:31] fired. I didn't I didn't realize this.
[00:41:33] Um I heard it, but Candace actually is
[00:41:36] verifying it from Turning Point's mouth
[00:41:38] because they have not spoken about this
[00:41:40] publicly. Uh, and then Erica failing her
[00:41:43] alibi test with Candace. There's a
[00:41:46] reason why Erica went to Gary uh from
[00:41:50] Paramount Tactical instead of going to
[00:41:53] Candace. There's a reason for that.
[00:41:55] >> Yeah.
[00:41:56] >> And you'll find out about that in a
[00:41:58] second. Let's start off. Let's go.
[00:42:02] >> Where's it at? What are we kidding me?
[00:42:06] What?
[00:42:08] What? What are we talking about here?
[00:42:09] What's going on, bro?
[00:42:12] >> What's cracking? What's cracking?
[00:42:13] >> Look further into that. Okay. Well,
[00:42:15] that's another like interesting thing
[00:42:17] that's happening. I would like to look
[00:42:19] further into that. Now, in terms of
[00:42:20] people saying that
[00:42:22] >> delete a video,
[00:42:22] >> you know, Erica doesn't
[00:42:23] >> Did Gary delete a video?
[00:42:27] >> What?
[00:42:29] >> An alibi? I didn't ask Erica for an
[00:42:30] alibi. So when suddenly I realized that
[00:42:33] Paramount Tactical was speaking with
[00:42:36] Andrew Kovat and she was providing an
[00:42:38] alibi to Andrew Kovat. Well then
[00:42:40] suddenly now if you're going to provide
[00:42:41] an alibi then let's provide an alibi.
[00:42:43] Like you know what I'm saying? I'm happy
[00:42:45] to just like communicate whatever that
[00:42:47] alibi is. I never demanded it privately.
[00:42:49] I didn't demand it in her face. And um I
[00:42:52] still don't even if she had said yeah I
[00:42:54] was at Fort Wuk. I was at a hotel and I
[00:42:55] was dropping off a package. That doesn't
[00:42:57] necessarily put her at the meeting the
[00:42:59] next day. But Mitch did say that the
[00:43:01] person who he thinks looks like Cabbat
[00:43:03] Phillips was at that meeting the next
[00:43:05] day. So obviously that's interesting.
[00:43:08] Like obviously if we're investigating
[00:43:09] this we should just like we could check
[00:43:12] it off the list and move on. I have
[00:43:14] messaged Brian Harpole, just so you guys
[00:43:16] know, thus far. I want to say four
[00:43:18] times, at least three times, asking him.
[00:43:21] Um, again, we can't say he was willing
[00:43:23] to give his flights, but doesn't want to
[00:43:25] also just give his metadata or a picture
[00:43:28] or something. They took a text message
[00:43:30] at that time to clear his name. You
[00:43:33] either want to give an alibi or you
[00:43:34] don't want to give an alibi. You either
[00:43:35] are saying, "I don't owe you an alibi. I
[00:43:37] don't want to answer at all."
[00:43:38] >> Gary did not delete a video. Paramount
[00:43:40] did not delete the video. Okay, cool.
[00:43:43] We're we're groovy.
[00:43:45] >> Pretty embarrassing video though, not
[00:43:47] gonna lie.
[00:43:47] >> Provide a full alibi. Now, I will say
[00:43:49] that I had some communication. I I did
[00:43:51] message also once the thing exploded
[00:43:53] with Andrew Kovac cuz he's just getting
[00:43:55] on my nerves. Like really, I have been
[00:43:57] so nice. U
[00:43:59] >> I have had people messaging me from the
[00:44:01] inside, from the outside, from all
[00:44:03] around the sides about how much they do
[00:44:06] not trust Andrew Kulovit and how much
[00:44:07] they do not like Andrew Kulvit [snorts]
[00:44:09] since the very beginning. Um, I don't
[00:44:11] know the guy. I don't have an opinion on
[00:44:14] him other than the publicly facing image
[00:44:16] of him, which isn't great.
[00:44:19] But oh boy, do people have opinions
[00:44:20] about Andrew Kulov.
[00:44:23] [snorts]
[00:44:23] >> Um, in terms of what I have told the
[00:44:25] public about things that Andrew Kovette
[00:44:26] told me, he's starting to like a little
[00:44:28] bit play with the bull. And um, we're
[00:44:30] getting real close. We're getting real
[00:44:32] close to me just saying if you guys
[00:44:33] really think that I have not been fair,
[00:44:35] you will really recognize how fair I
[00:44:37] have been uh, if he keeps pressing me.
[00:44:40] And I felt very pushed. But
[00:44:42] >> I would love to know what that means.
[00:44:44] I'll tell you what that means, coach. It
[00:44:47] means that Candace has a fuckload more
[00:44:50] sources and archived information and
[00:44:52] things to say than she says. And then
[00:44:55] she puts out there. Just like everyone
[00:44:57] that's deep in this industry, everyone
[00:45:00] that's been around, everyone that has a
[00:45:02] lot of connections and sources, she
[00:45:04] knows a lot of people. and people talk
[00:45:07] and they share screenshots and all sorts
[00:45:10] of stuff. And I can only imagine
[00:45:12] speculatively that [snorts]
[00:45:16] Candace because I know that Candace
[00:45:18] protects her sources quite well. I know
[00:45:19] that Candace
[00:45:21] will hold on to things and not just blow
[00:45:23] them out, like not just blow people up.
[00:45:25] And in this case of Charlie Kirk being
[00:45:28] murdered, she's been a little more
[00:45:29] liberal with sharing things that she
[00:45:31] would otherwise not.
[00:45:34] But yeah, I bet that she has a lot about
[00:45:36] Andrew Kovit back there. I bet she has a
[00:45:38] lot of stuff about TP USA and other
[00:45:39] people there that she's not shared
[00:45:40] because it's just not exactly as
[00:45:42] relevant to Charlie specifically. That
[00:45:44] would be my guess
[00:45:47] cuz she must be talking about more
[00:45:49] private conversations that they've had
[00:45:51] because he was a source at one point for
[00:45:52] her
[00:45:53] >> and I wonder what she's talking about.
[00:45:56] Yeah.
[00:45:59] from hearing from hearing what Andrew
[00:46:02] has let out from seeing his reaction
[00:46:04] when he actually is being the
[00:46:06] spokesperson for a turning point and how
[00:46:08] he's handled things. I think he was so
[00:46:11] close to Charlie that whatever happened
[00:46:15] to Charlie I don't I don't think it was
[00:46:17] random. I don't think it was just random
[00:46:19] Tyler doing his thing. And whatever
[00:46:21] happened,
[00:46:23] I think he might be in danger as well.
[00:46:26] I'm
[00:46:27] Coach has a different opinion of Andrew
[00:46:30] Kulov than me. That's fine. I [snorts]
[00:46:33] personally do not believe that Andrew
[00:46:35] Kovette is all that great of a guy based
[00:46:38] on what I have seen,
[00:46:40] but who knows? I don't know. I like
[00:46:44] having people that are on the reporting,
[00:46:46] on the investigation that have different
[00:46:48] opinions because it means that they will
[00:46:50] run down different leads. It means that
[00:46:52] if you don't [ __ ] believe this part
[00:46:53] of the story, they'll go take care of
[00:46:56] that part of the story for you so you
[00:46:57] don't have to. And if you're so sure
[00:46:59] that you're right, then just sit back
[00:47:01] and watch
[00:47:03] and they'll embarrass themselves a
[00:47:05] little bit. They'll get caught in the
[00:47:06] mud. They'll get tripped up. They'll get
[00:47:09] on a bad story. Right? So,
[00:47:13] don't worry about it. You know, I'm
[00:47:14] talking about Fort Wuka here. It's like
[00:47:16] if someone is going down the wrong
[00:47:18] direction, just let them. It's fine. You
[00:47:22] don't have to like stop them from doing
[00:47:23] it.
[00:47:25] That's kind of weird.
[00:47:27] I'm not I'm not saying like it just from
[00:47:29] the way that he acts and if enough stuff
[00:47:32] comes out, it seems like he's putting
[00:47:35] himself in danger because what's being
[00:47:38] revealed is that he gave out a lot of
[00:47:40] information
[00:47:42] >> that he probably wasn't supposed to give
[00:47:44] out.
[00:47:45] >> He probably wasn't supposed to say
[00:47:46] anything to Candace or Tucker or Benny
[00:47:49] Johnson. He probably wasn't h supposed
[00:47:52] to have anybody know that he put those
[00:47:54] text messages and gave those text
[00:47:55] messages to the authorities. Like
[00:47:57] there's probably a lot that wasn't, you
[00:48:00] know, you know what I mean? And he's
[00:48:02] getting found out left and right. And
[00:48:05] and he like got rid of his entire
[00:48:07] Instagram because of it.
[00:48:09] >> He did.
[00:48:09] >> Got rid of all his tweets.
[00:48:11] >> Andrew Kovit deleted his entire
[00:48:12] Instagram. a PR official. The public
[00:48:16] relations guy for TPUSA deleted his
[00:48:18] entire public Instagram.
[00:48:21] That's not something you do if you're a
[00:48:23] PR official. That's a valuable business
[00:48:25] asset.
[00:48:27] That is an extremely valuable business
[00:48:29] asset. And we went into it like a couple
[00:48:32] weeks ago into this Tik Tocker that had
[00:48:35] been I guess Instagrammer that had been
[00:48:38] commenting at him and he commented back
[00:48:40] and then deleted his Instagram account
[00:48:41] and she like recorded it and and talked
[00:48:43] about it in two different videos and it
[00:48:45] was all very weird.
[00:48:47] Very weird. It's before uh September
[00:48:51] 10th or yeah before September 10th he
[00:48:54] got rid of all of his tweets. Like
[00:48:56] something's going on with that guy, you
[00:48:58] know?
[00:48:59] Like Baron said, you got to get your
[00:49:00] soul clean. That's what he said to
[00:49:02] Andrew. Let's keep going
[00:49:03] >> by that Paramount Tactical thing. Uh
[00:49:06] these people are lunatics blah blah
[00:49:07] blah. It's like, bro, send me a text.
[00:49:09] And I could have shut it down
[00:49:10] immediately, but you're like I'm
[00:49:12] assuming you're also the person talking
[00:49:14] to Andrew. I mean, speaking to Alex
[00:49:15] because Alex did say on his show, but he
[00:49:17] spoke to Turning Point USA people and
[00:49:19] like he had Brian Harpole's flight, so
[00:49:21] it's pretty obvious. It seems like
[00:49:23] they're working behind the scenes and
[00:49:24] that's annoying me. It's annoying me a
[00:49:26] lot, actually. Um, anyways,
[00:49:29] >> I like how Candace has reverted to just
[00:49:31] being like, "It's annoying. It's
[00:49:33] annoying me. I'm fed up with it. I'm
[00:49:34] over it."
[00:49:35] >> So, once I saw that, uh, Andrew Kovette
[00:49:38] was speaking with Paramount Tactical and
[00:49:42] being, I don't know, I guess sort of
[00:49:44] denigrating what we were doing, I then
[00:49:46] was like, "Okay, let me text someone
[00:49:48] more responsible at Turning Point USA
[00:49:50] and ask, "Hey, do you guys want to give
[00:49:52] me an alibi?" So, I put Andrew Colbeat
[00:49:54] um and the COO in a chat and I was like,
[00:49:57] "Hey, just figured we could have a
[00:49:59] direct line and you can just give me
[00:50:01] Erica."
[00:50:02] >> Well,
[00:50:04] this is interesting.
[00:50:08] I wanted to know about when did Andrew
[00:50:10] Kovit delete his account and I
[00:50:13] remembered that I had talked about it
[00:50:17] and so
[00:50:18] I looked it up
[00:50:21] because I did talk about it. Especially
[00:50:23] when you can tell that the FBI
[00:50:26] has already made up its mind and has no
[00:50:29] interest in pursuing any foreign leads
[00:50:33] or anything of to watch this piece of
[00:50:36] the story play out a little more. I'm a
[00:50:38] little nervous because things are about
[00:50:39] to get very hairy
[00:50:41] into the to the pile
[00:50:43] >> right there.
[00:50:44] >> This is the clip.
[00:50:44] >> Um
[00:50:45] >> I just found the might find it a little
[00:50:47] spicy.
[00:50:49] This is um sort of some Instagram drama
[00:50:52] where apparently Andrew Kulvit deleted
[00:50:54] his Instagram account cold in the middle
[00:50:56] of the night about two weeks ago when
[00:51:00] some questions came up. Do you see how
[00:51:03] [ __ ] fast we just clip checked that
[00:51:05] to the exact clip? Because what I did is
[00:51:09] I realized that I actually had talked
[00:51:11] about this story as I was saying it to
[00:51:13] you. And you would have you probably saw
[00:51:15] my body language realize that and be
[00:51:17] like, "Hey, Webb, did Ian Carol ever
[00:51:20] talk about Andrew Kulovit deleting his
[00:51:22] account?" And Web was like, "Yes,
[00:51:24] actually he did. Here's a citation.
[00:51:26] Here's a citation. Here's a citation.
[00:51:28] Here's a citation link." And then that
[00:51:32] link opens my video where I talked about
[00:51:35] it at the exact timestamp that I talked
[00:51:37] about it at. That is so revolutionarily
[00:51:41] gamechanging.
[00:51:43] Okay,
[00:51:45] because coach Colin had just he couldn't
[00:51:47] remember when and he was kind of like I
[00:51:48] think it was before September 10th and
[00:51:50] right here in this clip we know that
[00:51:52] actually it was not it was like a month
[00:51:54] ago because this video is from two weeks
[00:51:56] ago and you can see there the Instagram
[00:51:59] >> is from two weeks ago
[00:52:04] >> Instagram account because something is
[00:52:06] off here and I'm not going to pretend
[00:52:07] it's not. Last night, I tagged Andrew
[00:52:10] Kovvette in the comments of one of my
[00:52:11] videos. Literally just tagging him in
[00:52:13] this comment saying he should sit down
[00:52:14] with Candace Owens and have a chat.
[00:52:16] Nothing dramatic, right? And around 5:00
[00:52:19] this morning, I woke up and had a
[00:52:21] notification that Andrew Colette had
[00:52:23] responded to my comment telling me to
[00:52:24] private message him. But when I clicked
[00:52:26] it, it was gone. Like wiped, deleted.
[00:52:29] The comment was gone. The page was gone.
[00:52:31] Like I had hallucinated the whole thing.
[00:52:33] So, I go digging and tell me why the
[00:52:35] account I had just tagged hours earlier
[00:52:37] was completely deleted. As in Instagram
[00:52:40] said that the page does not exist. But
[00:52:42] wait, because it gets even weirder,
[00:52:45] right? Isn't that [ __ ] crazy? The
[00:52:49] ability to just clip pull like that
[00:52:53] is a total game changer. A total game
[00:52:58] changer. So, we're just going to keep it
[00:53:00] open over here in case we need to clip
[00:53:02] pull anything else
[00:53:05] >> because alibi and I'd be happy to
[00:53:07] publish it because I'm not interested in
[00:53:09] like throwing one on someone's name. I
[00:53:11] just want to get to the truth. Um, that
[00:53:14] conversation was had yesterday and they
[00:53:16] did give
[00:53:18] >> and no, she did not get blocked. I went
[00:53:20] and double checked it. It's gone.
[00:53:24] It gone unless he blocked everybody.
[00:53:28] All sorts of people double checked it.
[00:53:30] It gone.
[00:53:32] >> Me um an indication of what what she was
[00:53:35] doing, which was making dinner for
[00:53:36] Charlie. I have asked for, you know,
[00:53:39] metadata to show that uh that it was,
[00:53:43] you know, Charlie that she was texting
[00:53:45] and I'm still waiting for that. So, um
[00:53:47] the last conversation I had with them.
[00:53:50] >> See, Candace does this thing where she's
[00:53:52] very transparent about she just says
[00:53:55] what she knows. She just says what's
[00:53:56] real. She's like,
[00:53:59] and sometimes she doesn't know
[00:54:00] everything. Sometimes she gets things
[00:54:02] wrong, right? But but she's like, "This
[00:54:04] is what I knew. This is who I sent
[00:54:06] messages to. This is what they said. I
[00:54:08] asked these questions. I haven't heard
[00:54:10] back."
[00:54:13] Just the information. That's not her
[00:54:15] accusing them. That's just her being
[00:54:18] straight with you, which is an
[00:54:20] incredibly rare trait in this industry.
[00:54:22] Okay.
[00:54:23] >> I think that was yesterday, Sunday.
[00:54:24] Sunday at around 1:00 p.m.ish my time,
[00:54:28] Central, I think. And uh they said that
[00:54:30] Erica got busy with the kids and that
[00:54:32] they were going to get me something. So,
[00:54:34] I'm still waiting on that. Just so you
[00:54:36] guys know that I have been responsible
[00:54:37] and speaking to the people directly
[00:54:40] trying to get the information.
[00:54:42] >> So, from here, I'm going to show you
[00:54:44] another clip because this is at like 26
[00:54:48] minutes in, right? But closer. Dude,
[00:54:52] coach is gonna be so stoked when he gets
[00:54:54] web.
[00:54:54] >> Coach is gonna be so stoked when he can
[00:54:57] just grab clips like that.
[00:55:00] >> Bam, baby.
[00:55:02] >> To
[00:55:03] save time.
[00:55:04] >> Hour 25.
[00:55:06] She actually reveals this. Let me see if
[00:55:08] I can just jump over to this clip. I
[00:55:10] know I'm I'm going to be jumping a
[00:55:12] little bit. I hope hope this doesn't
[00:55:14] ruin what I'm what happened with that
[00:55:17] whole Erica metadata thing right now, I
[00:55:20] believe. Let's listen to this for
[00:55:22] example because they did like you might
[00:55:24] not have been on earlier but I reached
[00:55:26] out to Turning Point again because like
[00:55:28] I said I'm not interested in chasing
[00:55:30] rabbits that you know like I want to
[00:55:31] actually know what what's real and
[00:55:33] what's not. Um yes Sunday what's today?
[00:55:36] On Sunday um I think around 1:00 p.m. I
[00:55:39] got on the phone with them. I reached
[00:55:40] out on Sunday uh sorry on Saturday. Got
[00:55:43] on the phone with them sometime after
[00:55:44] mass on Saturday. I mean on Sunday,
[00:55:47] pardon. And um they were like, "Hey,
[00:55:49] like yeah, she was like making dinner
[00:55:52] with like organizing or making dinner
[00:55:53] with Charlie. Like we're going to send
[00:55:54] you a message of like between her and
[00:55:56] Charlie speaking." And I was like,
[00:55:57] "Great. Amazing. I will literally update
[00:55:59] Twitter right now and say like Erica was
[00:56:01] making dinner with Charlie." And they
[00:56:03] send me a message, but the contact was
[00:56:05] blacked out. So I went back obviously
[00:56:07] and I was like, "Hey, like the contact's
[00:56:09] blocked out. Like I don't this could be
[00:56:11] a message between like me and George for
[00:56:12] all I And I was like, "Do you just mind
[00:56:14] like just sending like I know Charlie's
[00:56:15] number obviously, so just like you know,
[00:56:17] show me the contact." Um, and they were
[00:56:20] like, "Um, oh, uh, we blocked it out
[00:56:23] because this it's like a pet, I don't
[00:56:27] know, like a nickname that she has for
[00:56:28] Charlie or whatever, and she just didn't
[00:56:30] want you to see it." And I was like,
[00:56:31] "Okay,
[00:56:32] >> that's kind of weird.
[00:56:36] It's a little weird.
[00:56:39] We're talking about a murder
[00:56:40] investigation and you're worried about
[00:56:41] revealing a pet nickname,
[00:56:44] >> the pet name.
[00:56:45] >> You can just like change the contact
[00:56:46] name and just send me like, you know,
[00:56:48] send me a video of you opening it so I
[00:56:49] can see Charlie's number and tell my
[00:56:51] audience like this is confidently a text
[00:56:54] between Charlie and Erica. And then um
[00:56:56] they just said, "Look, it's Sunday." Uh
[00:56:59] I think it was like 1:00 or something
[00:57:00] and she's busy with the kids, but we'll
[00:57:03] we'll get you that. And so I waited.
[00:57:06] It's now been obviously more than 24
[00:57:07] hours. was getting like 30. I was Yeah,
[00:57:09] >> that is a terrible terrible thing that's
[00:57:13] taken place. So, this is the reason why
[00:57:16] they went to Gary.
[00:57:18] >> Th [snorts] that reveals why they went
[00:57:20] to Gary. They went to Gary because Gary
[00:57:23] doesn't do his due diligence is kind of
[00:57:26] what it seems because Andrew, well,
[00:57:30] Andrew thought he could just send Gary a
[00:57:32] thing and say, "Hey, look at this
[00:57:34] picture." and don't share it, but just
[00:57:36] to verify that's where she was. So, you
[00:57:38] can just say that. And Gary was just
[00:57:41] reading the whole thing live in front of
[00:57:43] everybody and he was he even read the
[00:57:45] don't share. [laughter]
[00:57:48] So, so that went up in smoke. But Gary
[00:57:52] did more to expose Turning Point and to
[00:57:56] help out the qu side of questions this
[00:57:58] last week than anyone else. More than
[00:58:02] Baron, more than Candace, more than me,
[00:58:04] more than coach, more than anyone.
[00:58:07] Gary just dropped the bombs repeatedly
[00:58:10] last week live on YouTube and it was
[00:58:13] amazing. It was amazing. Say thanks to
[00:58:17] Gary next time you see him. That's the
[00:58:20] reason they went to Gary because they
[00:58:22] could just send Gary a picture where the
[00:58:25] kid's faces are blanked out. They know
[00:58:28] Gary's not gonna go, "Well, that kid
[00:58:30] looks like Gary." Listen, Gary's great.
[00:58:33] I'm sure he is. I'm sure he's really
[00:58:35] nice. You know, everybody's somebody's
[00:58:36] kid. You know what I mean? And you know,
[00:58:38] we we love our kids. We really do. Um,
[00:58:41] so I'm sure he's great. But Gary's not
[00:58:44] going to go, "Oh, well, you know, that
[00:58:47] looks like a boy, and it looks like a
[00:58:49] boy who's like maybe four years old, and
[00:58:52] Erica doesn't have a boy that's four
[00:58:54] years old." And that that the girl the
[00:58:56] girl there that looks like it could be
[00:58:58] the girl's age, but I don't know. You
[00:59:00] have your finger over it.
[00:59:01] >> And I can't journal anything except for
[00:59:03] September 9th, 8:33.
[00:59:09] >> We're just going to drop into Baron's
[00:59:10] stream from last I think Sunday here.
[00:59:13] Real quick,
[00:59:13] >> work from Gary from Paramount Tactical.
[00:59:16] Gary from Paramount Tactical has done
[00:59:19] more to support Candace Owens than
[00:59:21] anyone else over the weekend.
[00:59:22] >> [laughter]
[00:59:22] >> I can't think of anyone who's done more
[00:59:24] to support her and provide actual real
[00:59:27] evidence to support her inquiry into the
[00:59:29] events at Fort Wuka than Gary from
[00:59:31] Paramount Tactical has done. He should
[00:59:33] be commended for his work.
[00:59:35] >> You have proof of this? He says, "But
[00:59:36] it's worth saying Erica wasn't in some
[00:59:39] fort in Tucson. The internet's gone
[00:59:41] saying she woke up next to Charlie on
[00:59:43] the night, went to the office with
[00:59:45] Charlie all day, woke him up from a nap
[00:59:47] before a fox hit, went to dinner with
[00:59:51] Charlie. Literally people are lunatics.
[00:59:53] And then the next one I will show you
[00:59:57] guys.
[00:59:58] >> And remember Gary first came out like
[00:59:59] questioning the narrative, questioning
[01:00:01] the bullet and then just hard right
[01:00:04] turned into trust the narrative real
[01:00:07] hard. And then hard to write turned into
[01:00:09] attack dedicate your whole channel to
[01:00:11] attacking Candace Owens, which is a
[01:00:14] choice.
[01:00:16] I want to pause here real quickly
[01:00:20] >> because we got to get the exact same
[01:00:22] argument that Erica made when she was
[01:00:24] talking. Child is trashing you. You must
[01:00:27] be a bad guy. You can't nothing you say
[01:00:29] can be believed.
[01:00:31] >> This is where Gary had Mitch Snow's
[01:00:34] estranged son on his podcast to debunk
[01:00:38] Mitch Snow and it didn't go so well.
[01:00:41] >> Surely no one will believe you're at
[01:00:42] Fort Wuka after that. Well, let's see
[01:00:46] how that went.
[01:00:49] I will suggest it did not go as planned.
[01:00:51] >> Security clearance.
[01:00:53] >> Or if he does walk into the joint task
[01:00:55] force staff duty, he might
[01:00:57] >> So Gary's holding the fake police report
[01:01:00] from when Mitch got arrested on the base
[01:01:03] and oh, it's so silly. This is obviously
[01:01:05] a fake report, right? Mitch's son, like
[01:01:07] isn't this a ridiculous fake police
[01:01:09] report? Mitch's son
[01:01:11] >> might end up detained and outside
[01:01:13] getting the canines called on him as per
[01:01:16] this report, which again, I don't even
[01:01:19] know if this report is real or not.
[01:01:21] >> Oh, Gary doesn't know if the report's
[01:01:22] real or not. Hey, Mitch Snow's son,
[01:01:25] that's probably your indication to play
[01:01:26] into that. Lean into that, Mitch Snow
[01:01:28] son. Let's go with we don't know if the
[01:01:30] report's real. What say you? Baron was
[01:01:33] cooking this night.
[01:01:35] >> There's so much craziness going on with
[01:01:36] this report
[01:01:38] number.
[01:01:39] >> They they called me on September 9th.
[01:01:42] >> Hold on. They called him. THE FORT WUKA
[01:01:44] CALLED THE GUY. FORT WATUKA CALLED MITCH
[01:01:47] SNOW'S son on September 9th. For real.
[01:01:50] It gets worse. I want you to count the
[01:01:52] number of times Gary blinks.
[01:01:55] Watch the fight orflight response kick
[01:01:57] in. All that military training OUT THE
[01:02:00] WINDOW. THE MOMENT THE KID OUTS YOU, ALL
[01:02:03] THAT military training just goes away.
[01:02:06] All the ability to to to to withstand
[01:02:09] the pressure. All the ability to pe be
[01:02:12] cool under pressure. Cool under fire.
[01:02:14] Watch how many times he blinks.
[01:02:16] >> Um,
[01:02:17] >> look at that face.
[01:02:18] >> Asking me if I knew anything about
[01:02:21] uh a Mitch Snow and telling me that I
[01:02:25] was listed his as his number one uh
[01:02:28] emergency contact. And I just remember
[01:02:30] sitting there for like a minute like I
[01:02:32] don't know Mitch Snow. I don't know why
[01:02:34] I'd be on somebody's emergency contact.
[01:02:37] >> Did you see the big breath?
[01:02:39] [snorts]
[01:02:40] [laughter]
[01:02:41] >> Awkward.
[01:02:44] It's a little awkward, bud.
[01:02:47] It's a little awkward.
[01:02:48] >> I think he sucked in like nine gallons
[01:02:50] of air.
[01:02:51] >> Yeah,
[01:02:52] >> he blinked 10 times in under five
[01:02:54] seconds and then Yeah, that is how that
[01:02:57] went. Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed. All
[01:03:00] praise, Gary. Thank you, Gary. Paramount
[01:03:02] Tactical. You have done good work for
[01:03:04] us. I appreciate it. So, let's remind
[01:03:06] ourselves
[01:03:08] Candace has digital metadata from
[01:03:11] multiple pieces of metadata, like
[01:03:13] multiple pieces of digital content from
[01:03:16] Mitch confirming that his cell phone was
[01:03:18] on that base. And I have reason to
[01:03:20] believe that that also confirms that he
[01:03:22] was on that base beyond just his cell
[01:03:24] phone being there. I don't. Yeah, we'll
[01:03:28] leave it at that. Um, but it's still up
[01:03:31] in the air if he's telling the truth
[01:03:33] about other parts of the story. Candace
[01:03:34] has said that she has corroborated
[01:03:36] personally things like that that
[01:03:38] building was the right building and
[01:03:39] these other things about it. And then
[01:03:43] Gary airs this episode and we get
[01:03:45] confirmation from Mitch's own son, his
[01:03:47] estranged son, who literally didn't even
[01:03:49] know that Mitch had changed his name to
[01:03:51] Mitch Snow, that he got called by
[01:03:54] military police on September 9th,
[01:03:56] corroborating one of the unbelievable
[01:03:58] parts of the story that he'd gotten like
[01:04:00] detained by police with and like they
[01:04:02] wanted a K9 and they all this [ __ ] and
[01:04:05] that's a pretty important part of the
[01:04:06] story. And so it's like
[01:04:10] let's assume that Mitch is an evil woman
[01:04:13] beating piece of [ __ ] that deserves our
[01:04:16] condemnation rightly.
[01:04:19] The story about Fort Wuka is still
[01:04:21] checking out. I mean, let's not give him
[01:04:24] money at that point,
[01:04:26] but the story about Fort Wuka is still
[01:04:29] checking out real good.
[01:04:34] So that's where it's like people that
[01:04:36] are just trying to like blow that away
[01:04:38] is kind of weird.
[01:04:41] Maybe he maybe he's wrong about who he
[01:04:42] thought he saw there. Maybe he's like
[01:04:44] trying to pull a move about who he
[01:04:45] thought he saw there. Maybe he's just
[01:04:46] making that part up. I don't know.
[01:04:50] But why do you care if Candace runs it
[01:04:53] down?
[01:04:55] Because clearly he was there.
[01:05:00] I just I don't know if this is a proper
[01:05:02] alibi. Gary's not doing none of that.
[01:05:04] Gary's just like, "Perfect alibi.
[01:05:06] There's a picture. There's a finger over
[01:05:08] it. Perfect finger. I know that's
[01:05:10] Erica's finger and those are those are
[01:05:12] some young people there. Perfect. That's
[01:05:14] all I need to see." They knew Gary would
[01:05:16] do something like that, but if you send
[01:05:18] that to Candace, Candace goes, "Um, if
[01:05:20] you could just" and they go, "Oh, well,
[01:05:23] you know,
[01:05:24] >> Erica doesn't want you to know that she
[01:05:26] used to call Charlie."
[01:05:30] So,
[01:05:30] >> it's really private.
[01:05:31] >> I'm sorry. You know, there's only so
[01:05:33] many people who are allowed to see that
[01:05:35] his nickname on her phone was boopy.
[01:05:39] >> Maybe his nickname on her phone was like
[01:05:41] some like Maybe I shouldn't say this.
[01:05:43] Maybe that'd be defamation.
[01:05:48] Maybe it wasn't a pet name. Maybe it was
[01:05:50] some other kind of name.
[01:05:54] Who knows? I don't know. I don't know.
[01:06:07] Use your imagination.
[01:06:08] >> Hey. Hey. It could be. It could be. Why
[01:06:11] is that ridiculous what I just said? You
[01:06:14] don't know. You don't know. I'm sure
[01:06:16] your wife has some kind of nickname for
[01:06:17] you. Your husband has some kind of
[01:06:19] nickname for you.
[01:06:21] I keep all I For me, it's my mark.
[01:06:26] That's what I put in my phone. My
[01:06:28] girlfriend's actually in my phone as my
[01:06:30] mark.
[01:06:34] That's just me personally, though.
[01:06:36] That's just me personally.
[01:06:39] Handle this one. That's what I put in my
[01:06:41] phone for my girlfriend. Just
[01:06:43] personally, I'm just saying. I don't
[01:06:45] know about you guys, but
[01:06:49] who knows?
[01:06:51] Not like Mark the Name, bro.
[01:06:59] I don't get it, man. I don't get it.
[01:07:02] >> I don't get how [laughter] you can fail
[01:07:03] it. That
[01:07:05] >> This is the thing.
[01:07:06] >> Chat's unhinged. Even if you're a liar,
[01:07:09] like [snorts] if you're a liar, I'm not
[01:07:11] saying Erica is, okay? But at least do
[01:07:15] it. Gigi is you're not in my phone as my
[01:07:17] mark.
[01:07:19] Gigi's in my phone as baby girl.
[01:07:24] Your husband is in your phone as
[01:07:25] husband.
[01:07:26] >> Better. Like you have more people
[01:07:29] >> to sit around and figure out the lie
[01:07:31] together.
[01:07:32] >> So you just go, "Guys, how can we lie
[01:07:35] perfectly?" She wants a picture. How do
[01:07:38] we lie all together?
[01:07:41] How do we figure this out, guys?
[01:07:43] >> Think it through.
[01:07:43] >> And everybody just has a hand in the
[01:07:45] lie. I'm not saying that's what they
[01:07:48] should do, but if you got three, four
[01:07:50] people
[01:07:52] and you're making things up. Like, put
[01:07:54] your heads together. Come on.
[01:07:56] >> Get your head in the game.
[01:07:57] >> It's crazy.
[01:07:58] >> Just uh send the picture and just blank
[01:08:01] out the name. Yeah. So, it's from Kitt.
[01:08:04] It's for sure from Kat. It's fine. Just
[01:08:06] black black out Kabitt's name.
[01:08:08] [laughter]
[01:08:11] [sighs]
[01:08:12] Coach Colin is pointing out something
[01:08:14] very important here though. In the media
[01:08:17] space, they have a lot of ways to get
[01:08:20] information to come from people like me
[01:08:23] and coach and Gary whether or not they
[01:08:27] know it.
[01:08:29] So that the media space gets flooded
[01:08:31] with disinformation that's coming from
[01:08:32] organic sources. It's like money
[01:08:35] laundering, but it's information
[01:08:36] laundering. When you need to launder
[01:08:38] money, you take your dirty money and you
[01:08:41] give it to an organization that doesn't
[01:08:42] ask too many questions. And then you
[01:08:44] pass it through that organization back
[01:08:47] out into the legal lit markets as clean
[01:08:49] money where no one knows where it came
[01:08:51] from. When you need to launder
[01:08:53] information, you take information to a
[01:08:56] mouthpiece that doesn't ask too many
[01:08:58] questions or that you own or whatever
[01:09:01] else and you hand them that information
[01:09:03] and you get them to give that
[01:09:05] information out to the world as though
[01:09:07] it was organic information that the
[01:09:09] information space is just like, "Oh,
[01:09:12] podcasters are talking about this. Oh,
[01:09:14] my favorite investigator thinks this
[01:09:16] thing. Oh, a journalist thinks that this
[01:09:20] is what happened." You see what I'm
[01:09:21] saying? It's information laundering and
[01:09:23] it happens to the best of us. It happens
[01:09:25] to everybody now and then. And the
[01:09:28] longer you spend in this industry, the
[01:09:29] more you learn about it and the more you
[01:09:31] learn that you too are vulnerable to it
[01:09:32] and the more you learn how to
[01:09:36] guard against it, shall we say.
[01:09:39] And it sounds like Gary could
[01:09:42] Gary the Green Beret could use a lesson
[01:09:46] in how people can get played as
[01:09:48] mouthpieces.
[01:09:51] >> Okay. And uh let's just send her that,
[01:09:53] you know, just black it out. Huh?
[01:09:55] [laughter]
[01:09:57] >> What?
[01:09:57] >> A coach, you're stunting. Coach is just
[01:09:59] being silly.
[01:10:00] >> I'm just saying.
[01:10:01] >> Just saying. He's just saying.
[01:10:02] >> I'm just saying. Again, I don't condone
[01:10:03] it, but if you're going to do it, do it
[01:10:05] right because this is just ridiculous.
[01:10:08] A clear lie. And Candace is very, very
[01:10:11] nice for not just being like, "Oh, you
[01:10:12] guys are lying to me, huh? You know
[01:10:14] that, right? Just wanted to make sure
[01:10:16] that you know you're lying." All right.
[01:10:18] So, let's go back to the first clip I
[01:10:19] wanted to show you guys. This is at
[01:10:21] 8:33.
[01:10:23] This is uh when she started talking
[01:10:24] about alibis again. This is with It's
[01:10:26] like some of them work and some of them
[01:10:28] don't. Let me just uh
[01:10:28] >> didn't realize that JTF had gotten back.
[01:10:31] >> When I go to 833, it doesn't work.
[01:10:35] Coach, we're going to get you web, bro.
[01:10:37] And it'll work, dog. We're going to get
[01:10:39] you web, bro. Okay. We'll hook it up
[01:10:42] with the Clipper and you'll get it.
[01:10:44] >> Oh.
[01:10:47] Oh. Is that what's going on? Yeah. So
[01:10:50] when I click on 833
[01:10:52] then all of a sudden we got technical
[01:10:54] get difficulties.
[01:10:56] >> But when clicks on 833, we got you, bro.
[01:10:59] We got you. Don't worry about it, coach.
[01:11:01] We got you.
[01:11:01] >> I see how it works.
[01:11:05] >> We get this.
[01:11:06] >> And I knew uh Erica and I had a date to
[01:11:09] meet on that Monday. So that was
[01:11:12] Thursday. That's the stop just just stop
[01:11:14] snippet. Friday I had no show. Sunday, I
[01:11:17] want to tell you this part because this
[01:11:18] is important. On December 14th, I
[01:11:20] received a text message from Ian Carol.
[01:11:22] I hope he is in this chat. I'd like him
[01:11:24] to jump in in case I get
[01:11:26] >> welcome. I'm in the chat. So, this is I
[01:11:28] think when I got a whole bunch of text
[01:11:29] messages being like, Ian, get in here.
[01:11:33] >> Anything [snorts] wrong here? But the
[01:11:34] text message was to me and my producer
[01:11:37] and he was like, "Hey, like I have
[01:11:39] something for you guys that I need to
[01:11:41] discuss. It's pretty urgent." When I got
[01:11:43] around to calling Ian, he told me that
[01:11:46] basically he had received information
[01:11:49] from someone. He didn't want to give me
[01:11:50] the name of the person and [snorts] that
[01:11:52] definitively like Brian Harpole was
[01:11:54] preparing some huge lawsuit against me.
[01:11:57] >> Yeah. So, it was in the Whisper Sphere.
[01:12:00] Um, I got information from a source that
[01:12:02] I don't want to disclose about [snorts]
[01:12:04] that. Um, and checked it with a couple
[01:12:08] others that knew something about it. Um,
[01:12:11] and I [snorts] just wanted to give her
[01:12:12] the information of like, hey, this is
[01:12:14] what I'm hearing. FYI, be aware. And
[01:12:17] that's when Candace was like, rightly
[01:12:20] was like, well, I haven't received any
[01:12:22] cease and desists. So, to me, it sounds
[01:12:24] like smoke. And I was like, sounds like
[01:12:26] you'd write be right to me. You know
[01:12:28] better about this than I do. And these
[01:12:30] are the kind of things that I I tend to
[01:12:31] learn from Candace in these types of
[01:12:33] situations where I've not been sued for
[01:12:35] this kind of stuff before. And she knows
[01:12:37] how these things go. And I'm like, and
[01:12:40] I'm I'm attentive to the media space and
[01:12:42] I have this information. I'm like, based
[01:12:45] on how I have it,
[01:12:48] I'm wouldn't be surprised if you're
[01:12:49] right. And I trust your judgment. You do
[01:12:51] your thing. I'm just giving you the
[01:12:52] information. You'll do good. She has not
[01:12:56] been wrong about most of this so far.
[01:13:01] >> And I was like, that's really weird. And
[01:13:03] um I think he said like some big like
[01:13:06] Texas lawsuit. I don't I don't know what
[01:13:08] he but like basically was like it's a
[01:13:09] big lawsuit and like you know you're
[01:13:11] going to want to be careful talking
[01:13:12] about this and I was like okay well that
[01:13:14] just can't be accurate because that's
[01:13:15] not how lawsuits work. I know about
[01:13:18] lawsuits and I said I think someone's
[01:13:19] intentionally giving you bad information
[01:13:21] to try to scare me from talking about
[01:13:24] the Fort Wuga thing anymore.
[01:13:25] >> I actually think that that information
[01:13:27] was being passed through multiple
[01:13:28] mouthpieces based on how it got to me.
[01:13:30] think that there was multiple ch I I
[01:13:33] suspect that there were multiple chains
[01:13:35] of that information spreading throughout
[01:13:36] the information space through multiple
[01:13:38] people hoping that it would go through
[01:13:40] various conduits to get to her at some
[01:13:42] point. That's what I suspect was
[01:13:44] happening at that point. Um I don't know
[01:13:46] that for sure, but that's what I would
[01:13:47] guess. Um because it didn't like I
[01:13:50] didn't like get it from Andrew Kulit,
[01:13:52] for example. I've never spoken to Andrew
[01:13:53] Kulit. Um, it was being passed around
[01:13:56] from pe person to person
[01:13:58] >> because I
[01:14:00] >> That's very interesting. I have to stop
[01:14:02] right there because Tim P actually said
[01:14:05] the exact same thing.
[01:14:06] >> Yeah.
[01:14:07] >> Just read. He brought it up very
[01:14:09] casually and he said, "I have good
[01:14:11] information." It was
[01:14:12] >> and I didn't talk to Tim either because
[01:14:13] Tim doesn't like me very much and I
[01:14:15] wouldn't even trust information that I
[01:14:17] got from Tim anyways.
[01:14:18] >> Back when he said the whole thing that
[01:14:20] Candace was using or had used
[01:14:24] He said using and then he switched to
[01:14:26] had used at some point. Um, so he's kind
[01:14:29] of talking out of both sides of his
[01:14:31] mouth there. And he was saying that she
[01:14:34] had used Brian Harpole and Charlie's
[01:14:37] security. Uh, and that she was lying
[01:14:39] about it and then he said he couldn't
[01:14:42] say much because Brian Harpole there
[01:14:45] were lawsuits coming. That's what he put
[01:14:48] out there. So Candace is actually on the
[01:14:51] nose, which was [ __ ] from the start,
[01:14:55] at least in my experience. I was like,
[01:14:57] that is obviously not true. Um, that's
[01:14:58] not who Candace's security is at all.
[01:15:02] Not one bit. And that's ridiculous.
[01:15:04] They're Charlie Kirk security. They're
[01:15:06] flying all over the place with Charlie
[01:15:07] Kirk all the [ __ ] time. They're busy.
[01:15:09] They're not hanging out in Nashville at
[01:15:11] Candace's house. That was a very weird
[01:15:13] accusation, honestly. like a very weird
[01:15:16] episode in Tim Pool's whole trajectory
[01:15:19] here. Um,
[01:15:22] and you know, wouldn't you know it,
[01:15:26] we can um pull that clip.
[01:15:29] It keeps opening in the wrong window.
[01:15:31] >> When you're sad or you're in pain and
[01:15:32] you're confused, when you're hurting and
[01:15:34] you don't know why Ian didn't say it,
[01:15:36] but I'm gonna say because I always get
[01:15:37] super heated on this. Um, Owens has the
[01:15:40] same security team as uh, Turning Point
[01:15:42] and and and Charlie Kirk did.
[01:15:44] >> How fast is that clip, bro? How fast is
[01:15:47] that clip grab? What's up? I've got the
[01:15:50] other clip, too, if you want it. Do you
[01:15:52] want the other clip? There we are.
[01:15:57] Shouldn't give two. No one's out for
[01:15:59] her. She's lying about all of this. You
[01:16:02] told me you went to her house and she's
[01:16:04] got a 4ft wall and one fat guy.
[01:16:07] Those aren't very nice words now, are
[01:16:08] they, Tim? Maybe we should calm down,
[01:16:11] pump the brakes a little, and just calm
[01:16:12] down, Tim. Yeah, what a tool, right?
[01:16:15] What a tool. Web is blowing my mind live
[01:16:19] on stream right now, dude. I haven't
[01:16:20] even gotten to play with it yet because
[01:16:22] I've just been building and building and
[01:16:24] building. And web is so damn useful for
[01:16:27] way more than just pulling clips, but
[01:16:28] I've been building this whole clip
[01:16:30] builder module, too. Oh, it's so great,
[01:16:32] dude. We just got clips for days.
[01:16:35] thinking that this is just made to
[01:16:36] distract her because Tim's entire
[01:16:40] performance was just to distract her. I
[01:16:43] think just to distract everybody quite
[01:16:45] honestly because if you notice when Tim
[01:16:49] started flipping out
[01:16:51] >> is exactly when she first brought up
[01:16:54] Fort Wuka. It actually coincides
[01:16:57] perfectly from the time he started going
[01:17:00] at Candace. True was exactly when she
[01:17:03] brought up Fort Wuka.
[01:17:06] >> That's some of the behind the scenes
[01:17:08] stuff
[01:17:09] >> that Candace is referring to
[01:17:12] >> is a lot of people started coming after
[01:17:15] her right then.
[01:17:19] Very interesting, man. We're figuring
[01:17:22] things. We're learning together, guys.
[01:17:24] posted Mitch to tell a story, but I had
[01:17:26] indicated that like I might do more with
[01:17:28] Mitch or I might pass him off to Ian
[01:17:30] Carol. Next thing you know, Ian Carol's
[01:17:31] getting a phone call and told that I'm
[01:17:33] about to get sued for mentioning Brian
[01:17:35] Harpull. So, I thought that was like a
[01:17:36] little weird and I basically said to
[01:17:38] Ian, I think, yeah, intentionally
[01:17:40] somebody gave you bad information. Uh,
[01:17:42] you first have to start with the cease
[01:17:43] and desist and I don't factually know if
[01:17:46] what Mitch said was wrong. that ends. Um
[01:17:49] Monday is when Erica and I obviously had
[01:17:51] to sit down for four and a half hours
[01:17:53] and um Turning Point kind of hosted a
[01:17:55] Q&A which I thought was unfair and
[01:17:57] against the rules I will say because we
[01:17:58] agreed to not speak about anything. Um
[01:18:00] but that went on obviously on the
[01:18:02] Tuesday I came back and I oh actually
[01:18:05] let's go back to the meeting with Erica
[01:18:06] because this is also relevant. During
[01:18:08] that meeting, I did not bring up the
[01:18:09] Fort Watuka thing because I uh first and
[01:18:12] foremost needed to continue vetting
[01:18:15] various aspects of it, but also I have
[01:18:17] Brian Harpole's number and so I was just
[01:18:20] going to text Brian Harpole directly.
[01:18:22] Um, but it is worth saying that during
[01:18:25] that interview, Erica gave me Brian
[01:18:28] Harpole's flights and said like, you
[01:18:30] know, we I know that you mentioned that
[01:18:32] you thought Brian Harpole was at this
[01:18:33] interview. Um, here are his flights. Now
[01:18:36] you guys would later see those flights
[01:18:37] because Alex Jones then mysteriously has
[01:18:39] these flights.
[01:18:41] >> These flights have been getting passed
[01:18:42] around. I had seen those flights earlier
[01:18:46] in various forms. They've been getting
[01:18:49] passed around with this sort of
[01:18:51] information of like
[01:18:55] shut up Candace. Um,
[01:18:59] so it's [clears throat] just a little
[01:19:00] weird how information is flowing in the
[01:19:02] information space right now and it's
[01:19:03] flowing through people that I don't
[01:19:05] necessarily know if they realize how
[01:19:07] it's flowing.
[01:19:09] Um, but it's definitely not Candace's
[01:19:11] first rodeo and thankfully by now it's
[01:19:12] not my first rodeo either.
[01:19:14] >> Um, I took the flights from her. I
[01:19:16] thought it was interesting because I
[01:19:17] didn't bring up Fort Wuka and I wasn't
[01:19:19] intending to bring up bring up Fort Wuka
[01:19:21] and I hadn't mentioned Erica on the
[01:19:22] show. Uh, and I looked at them and I
[01:19:24] said, "Oh, well, this isn't is not an
[01:19:26] alibi." Because the meeting ended at
[01:19:27] 7:30 a.m. and planes that left Fort
[01:19:29] Wajuka were back in Texas. They actually
[01:19:32] the SAM plane, as we know, went straight
[01:19:34] to Texas. And I think Brian Harpo's
[01:19:36] flight left at like 3:42 or something in
[01:19:38] the afternoon in Texas. So, I was like,
[01:19:40] this is actually does not um conflict
[01:19:43] with the idea that he could have been
[01:19:45] leaving a meeting at 7:30 a.m. Uh, it's
[01:19:48] a pretty short flight to Texas. So, I uh
[01:19:51] I said that and that was it. And but I
[01:19:53] said, "But thank you for giving me this
[01:19:54] because now I can tell people [snorts]
[01:19:56] um that I have these flights and also
[01:19:59] that he doesn't like yet have an alibi
[01:20:01] for that morning."
[01:20:03] I just wanted to mention that cuz I feel
[01:20:04] like that's important. Anyways, um
[01:20:07] >> and again, doesn't mean he's guilty.
[01:20:09] Doesn't mean he was there. Doesn't mean
[01:20:12] it was a planning meeting about the
[01:20:13] assassination. It just means that it's
[01:20:16] suspicious and it's kind of weird. And
[01:20:19] the way that the information is flowing
[01:20:21] and the way that it's all happening
[01:20:23] feels like a scop.
[01:20:26] It feels like a scop. It feels really
[01:20:28] weird.
[01:20:30] Doesn't feel like the way that I would
[01:20:32] be flowing my information if I was like,
[01:20:35] for example, for example,
[01:20:39] one of my favorite ones, Bracelet Gate.
[01:20:42] when I'm on Candace Owens's show and
[01:20:43] I've got a red bracelet on and the whole
[01:20:45] internet freaks out about my red
[01:20:47] bracelet. Um,
[01:20:50] and they're like, "What's the story
[01:20:51] here? You're Illuminati." And I was just
[01:20:53] like, "I'm not. This is the story." And
[01:20:55] it's a weird story. I mean, it's [ __ ]
[01:20:57] a weird story. It's like, I'll tell you
[01:20:59] the story and I told you the story. It's
[01:21:01] like, that's the truth. That is what it
[01:21:03] is. And it's not like, you know, if it
[01:21:05] if if I wanted to lie and try to make it
[01:21:08] a more normal story, I could have lied
[01:21:09] and tried to like make up some like
[01:21:11] normal story. But it's just a weird
[01:21:13] story. It's like, you know what? This is
[01:21:15] my girlfriend's family's background of
[01:21:16] how they used to buy these bracelets
[01:21:18] when they were kids and her dad bought
[01:21:21] us both ones because we were about to go
[01:21:23] travel. And that is what it is. And the
[01:21:26] story hasn't changed. It's been the same
[01:21:28] story. And I just offered it and it was
[01:21:30] what it was. And I offered all the proof
[01:21:32] I was comfortable offering without
[01:21:34] doxing
[01:21:35] people and I moved on cuz when you know
[01:21:40] cuz it is like sure if you're like deep
[01:21:42] in the conspiracy lore that's suspicious
[01:21:44] and that's totally fine if you want to
[01:21:45] be suspicious of that. I got no problem
[01:21:47] with that. Um I have no problem with
[01:21:48] people that think that I'm like
[01:21:50] something nefarious. That's fine. You
[01:21:51] should be suspicious of everyone and I'm
[01:21:53] not excluded from that. Um, but I don't
[01:21:57] feel like some need to like massage an
[01:22:00] alibi and make up new things and all
[01:22:02] these other things. It's just like, you
[01:22:03] know, it is what it is. This is the
[01:22:04] truth. Here's what I got. Have it. And
[01:22:07] if you're happy with that, you're happy
[01:22:08] with that. And if you're not, I'm moving
[01:22:10] on. I'm doing my thing. So
[01:22:14] that you know, so it's a little weird
[01:22:15] when it's like this weird roundabout
[01:22:18] alibi sleuththing to other people and
[01:22:20] the alibi doesn't quite add up and then
[01:22:22] it's like lawsuits that aren't coming
[01:22:26] are being threatened and it's just a
[01:22:28] little weird. It feels like a scop. It
[01:22:30] feels like a scop.
[01:22:34] Obviously, when we went back on air on
[01:22:36] Tuesday, uh I recapped very [snorts] I
[01:22:39] was tired and what just kind of went
[01:22:40] through kind of the high points or the
[01:22:42] things that we had discussed. It was a
[01:22:43] very long meeting. Um on Wednesday, we
[01:22:46] broke the story about uh Charlie's car.
[01:22:50] Um and that we actually had exclusive
[01:22:52] photos of what the inside of the car
[01:22:53] looked like.
[01:22:55] >> Covered in fragmented black plastic, it
[01:22:57] would seem that imply some sort of
[01:23:00] exploded plastic device. It might seem
[01:23:04] that pushed the story quite a bit
[01:23:06] further forwards, I would say.
[01:23:10] Yeah, that was a big day. That was a
[01:23:13] very big day.
[01:23:15] >> On Thursday, I made the decision to have
[01:23:18] Mitch on my show. And the reason why we
[01:23:20] made that decision is because we were
[01:23:22] then working in the background to verify
[01:23:23] other aspects of his story. And we were
[01:23:25] able to do that. I now felt uh beyond
[01:23:28] confident. He had sent me all of his um
[01:23:31] metadata. He had sent me, as you guys
[01:23:34] already saw, uh his ID cards, his former
[01:23:36] passports, his new passports. He even
[01:23:38] sent me. Now, I can't say that this
[01:23:40] Mexican person was in the cartel, but
[01:23:42] you know, his story was that he was
[01:23:43] being hunted by the cartel. He certainly
[01:23:44] had um a uh like court documents
[01:23:48] documenting that that a a Spanish person
[01:23:51] had broken into his home and whatever
[01:23:52] had happened. So, I believed him. I
[01:23:55] believed his story. I knew that he was a
[01:23:57] Green Beret. Like I told you, I verified
[01:24:00] that information right away and I knew
[01:24:02] that he had stumbled upon this meeting
[01:24:04] and he thought this is why they were
[01:24:06] pulling him aside. They may have thought
[01:24:08] something else, but it was substantially
[01:24:10] true. Everything he said was
[01:24:11] substantially true.
[01:24:14] >> And substantially,
[01:24:16] um, I would like to hopefully this will
[01:24:18] get it to pull up in this window.
[01:24:21] I would substantially
[01:24:23] like to pull up this episode with the
[01:24:27] car stuff
[01:24:30] because I figured I would just ask web
[01:24:33] and be like, "Hey, what day did Candace
[01:24:35] reveal photos about the inside of
[01:24:36] Charlie Kirk's car and black things on
[01:24:38] the floor?" Oh, Candace revealed photos
[01:24:40] from inside of Charlie Kirk's car on
[01:24:41] December 17th, 2025 in her episode
[01:24:43] titled Breaking News. Receive photos of
[01:24:45] Charlie's car after the assassination.
[01:24:48] Click.
[01:24:50] And here it is.
[01:24:54] And I could search and I could be like
[01:24:55] photo and I could, you know, go down and
[01:24:59] it's probably
[01:25:02] in this clip. I would guess.
[01:25:03] >> I find that to be very strange. I have
[01:25:05] >> literally right here
[01:25:07] >> about this uploading device. I think you
[01:25:09] guys know that we're not making up that
[01:25:10] we have these photos.
[01:25:12] >> Literally right there. Boom. Just like
[01:25:15] that, dog.
[01:25:17] >> Uh, we do. We have these photos and they
[01:25:19] tell a story. And I think it's important
[01:25:20] >> and you can do it in real language. I
[01:25:22] was like, "Hey, Candace said she had
[01:25:24] photos on one day. What day was that?
[01:25:25] What episode was that? Wasn't Candace
[01:25:27] talking about this other thing at some
[01:25:28] point?" And it's like, "Yeah, here she
[01:25:29] talked about that thing." And be like,
[01:25:30] "Okay, but what was that one name?" It's
[01:25:33] crazy, dude. You don't have to have an
[01:25:35] exact quote. You don't have to know the
[01:25:36] day. You don't have to know the episode.
[01:25:39] You don't even have to know who talked
[01:25:41] about it. You can just say, "One of the
[01:25:42] one of these podcasters talked about
[01:25:44] this thing and I forget who it was." And
[01:25:45] it'll be like, "Well, all these people
[01:25:46] talked about it." It's crazy town.
[01:25:50] >> Whether or not he saw Brian Harpole, I
[01:25:53] don't really know right now. Of course,
[01:25:55] the decision to have him on, I was aware
[01:25:57] that I could not say to him. I felt that
[01:25:59] that would have been super inauthentic
[01:26:00] if I was like, "Hey, tell your story."
[01:26:02] But like, let's not talk about the fact
[01:26:03] that you think 100% that you saw Erica.
[01:26:06] Like, that would have just been
[01:26:07] inauthentic. And I feel like people know
[01:26:08] that. I don't know. You guys would have
[01:26:10] just like sused that out in 4 seconds.
[01:26:13] >> I don't think she's wrong about that. I
[01:26:14] think she's right. I think she's right.
[01:26:17] And you can argue about whether it was
[01:26:20] right or not to have Mitch on. I'm glad
[01:26:22] she did because
[01:26:25] it pushed something further forwards.
[01:26:27] Whether it pushed a scop further
[01:26:29] forwards or whether it pushed a scammer
[01:26:31] further forwards or whether it pushed
[01:26:33] real legitimate information further
[01:26:35] forwards. It pushed someone who was at
[01:26:38] Fort Wuka that day further forwards.
[01:26:41] And maybe it's nothing. Maybe Candace is
[01:26:43] distracted in the mud right now. I don't
[01:26:44] [ __ ] know.
[01:26:47] But it's not like I'm not being
[01:26:48] distracted. Like I'm doing my thing and
[01:26:50] she's doing her thing and that's fine.
[01:26:52] I'm still digging into what I'm digging
[01:26:53] into. No big deal.
[01:26:55] >> So I understood obviously that we were
[01:26:57] opening a can of worms because people
[01:26:58] were going to be compelled obviously by
[01:27:00] the fact that potentially Erica Kirk was
[01:27:03] on the base the evening before, if you
[01:27:05] will, on September 8th. Uh but again, my
[01:27:09] main thing was Brian Harpole. During
[01:27:11] that time, as we were vetting his story,
[01:27:13] he described the congressman. He thought
[01:27:15] he was pretty certain that it was a
[01:27:16] congressman of some description. Uh, and
[01:27:18] he described him, what he looked like,
[01:27:20] glasses, about the age, and he said the
[01:27:22] height was 5'9.
[01:27:24] So, so from here, if you can't tell,
[01:27:27] we're getting into Mitch. We're getting
[01:27:29] into Mitch territory, ladies and
[01:27:32] gentlemen. So, now throughout these
[01:27:34] little series of clips, I think I got
[01:27:36] four of them here. Why does it show
[01:27:38] three? Should have four. Oh, no. No, it
[01:27:40] is three. So, Candace is just talking
[01:27:42] about she doesn't care about his past.
[01:27:44] She's confirming more about Mitch. Then
[01:27:46] also talking about, and I don't know
[01:27:48] about this, this is not something, you
[01:27:50] know, I mean, you're here, right? But I
[01:27:54] don't know if you've heard this from
[01:27:56] anybody who's been making uh videos
[01:27:59] about Mitch, but now I'm hearing Candace
[01:28:02] say that he has zero convictions.
[01:28:05] So, that's weird. I guess it's a lot of
[01:28:08] he say he said
[01:28:11] it's a little murky exactly what Mitch
[01:28:14] is convicted of. I'm pretty sure that
[01:28:17] Valhalla has evidence of convictions,
[01:28:21] but I forget. I'll I'll look it up. I'll
[01:28:23] look it up. I'm pretty sure I've got
[01:28:24] that episode queued in here. I'll look
[01:28:26] it up. I'll look it up and I'll see she
[01:28:29] said. Now, I haven't watched Vajala's
[01:28:32] breakdown. I've definitely haven't
[01:28:33] watched any of Gary's breakdowns. Um, I
[01:28:36] I haven't seen any of the breakdowns in
[01:28:38] terms of uh Mitch's past. Um, so this is
[01:28:42] news to me and it's actually surprising
[01:28:44] because from what I've heard about him
[01:28:46] in conversations,
[01:28:49] uh,
[01:28:49] >> I'll look it up.
[01:28:50] >> I would think there would be some
[01:28:51] convictions, but I guess there would
[01:28:53] also be jail time if there was, and I
[01:28:55] haven't heard about any jail time
[01:28:56] either. So, all very odd. But let's jump
[01:29:00] into uh let's jump into this first clip
[01:29:03] about Mitch. Let's jump in. say that.
[01:29:06] So, he seems like he's being
[01:29:07] intentionally dishonest about stuff. She
[01:29:10] kind of just made one statement. Timing
[01:29:12] was a bit weird. Um, yeah, that's kind
[01:29:14] of how that happened. [snorts]
[01:29:15] >> Interesting. Okay. And then
[01:29:17] >> just want to say uh she's talking about
[01:29:18] those two creators that I brought up.
[01:29:20] One is named Evan, one is named uh
[01:29:22] Morgan. And they both re they vote they
[01:29:25] both made a very odd statement. You
[01:29:28] know, you know, when somebody says, and
[01:29:30] I hear it a lot, especially in the
[01:29:31] content space, you know, this is not an
[01:29:34] airport. you don't have to announce that
[01:29:35] you're leaving. That type of thing.
[01:29:37] Well, they had to announce that they
[01:29:39] were leaving. And it seems so weird
[01:29:41] because if you didn't support Candace
[01:29:43] looking into Mitch or or having Mitch on
[01:29:45] the show, you could just quietly stop
[01:29:48] talking about it. But they made it a
[01:29:50] point and they did it very similarly.
[01:29:55] Similarly, whatever. You know what I
[01:29:58] mean? Uh [laughter] they did it the
[01:30:00] exact same way. One's talking about the
[01:30:02] Holy Spirit, the other one's just like,
[01:30:04] "I can't do this. My heart and you know,
[01:30:06] oh, people are gonna hate me. I'm
[01:30:08] sorry." That type of thing. And it turns
[01:30:10] out they're actually good. So,
[01:30:14] in the episode
[01:30:17] that Nate did, that Valhalla VFT did
[01:30:20] about Mitch Snow, the word conviction
[01:30:23] does not appear. The word convict does
[01:30:26] not appear. The word convicted does not
[01:30:28] appear.
[01:30:30] Okay.
[01:30:32] Um,
[01:30:44] all right.
[01:30:45] >> I think my time stamps are broken on
[01:30:47] this.
[01:30:47] >> Hope everybody's ready for a fun one
[01:30:50] tonight.
[01:30:52] >> I think my time stamps are broken
[01:30:57] here. This one's got a time stamp.
[01:31:00] Tonight
[01:31:02] I'm fighting off bronchitis right now.
[01:31:04] Wild. It's all It's all the same video.
[01:31:07] We're obviously going to go through
[01:31:08] Mitch Snow. Um we're going to expose a
[01:31:11] bunch of his lies through his military
[01:31:13] career, his stories, uh and as well as
[01:31:16] his horrific 30-year background with
[01:31:18] domestic violence, punching women in the
[01:31:19] face, kidnapping children, all verified
[01:31:22] through co court documents, and him
[01:31:23] admitting to. By the way, we'll get into
[01:31:25] all that.
[01:31:27] um a lot of uh so I watched the episode
[01:31:29] through but I didn't remember if he said
[01:31:31] that Mitch was convicted of any crimes
[01:31:33] and in that script
[01:31:36] he doesn't say the word conviction or
[01:31:38] convicted.
[01:31:39] I would have to do a little more
[01:31:40] searching to kind of verify that a
[01:31:43] little more asking for quotes about what
[01:31:45] he said exactly but that's interesting.
[01:31:48] I kind of assumed that he had claimed
[01:31:50] that, but I don't know. Good friends.
[01:31:52] And it turns out they were talking about
[01:31:54] releasing these statements. And it turns
[01:31:57] out they're both for I think they
[01:31:59] admitted according to a journalist that
[01:32:01] they both are getting paid by the same
[01:32:03] company. Now, they're not they say
[01:32:05] they're not getting paid to make any
[01:32:06] anti- Mitch uh content. I'm looking up.
[01:32:10] >> It all just seems so odd. And Candace is
[01:32:13] being very nice to the one who's named
[01:32:16] Morgan, the lady.
[01:32:18] Uh Evan on the other hand has become
[01:32:21] he's done a full switch just like B just
[01:32:23] like Tatum. He's just done this full
[01:32:25] switch. It's it's wild to see. But she's
[01:32:28] being very nice to Morgan. I don't think
[01:32:30] she should be. I really don't. I think
[01:32:33] uh
[01:32:34] >> my sighting is breaking.
[01:32:35] >> I think I think it looks exactly I think
[01:32:38] it is exactly what it looks like. When
[01:32:41] you see people, I always say when you
[01:32:42] see people speaking in unison, okay, you
[01:32:46] have to be wary. And then all a sudden,
[01:32:48] you see these two people speaking in
[01:32:49] unison. They actually have each other's
[01:32:52] numbers. They actually talk to each
[01:32:53] other all the time. They release the
[01:32:55] same type of statement. We're not going
[01:32:57] to get into the drama between um these
[01:33:00] influencer kits. We don't really need
[01:33:03] it. We don't really need it. I'm going
[01:33:05] to run another search here. I think I
[01:33:06] might have fixed my
[01:33:09] citation broke breaking
[01:33:12] issue. We'll find out in a second.
[01:33:14] >> Then I did want to I guess that's I
[01:33:16] didn't write in and be like, you know, I
[01:33:18] really want to hear more about Blake
[01:33:19] Lively and Justin Baldon. Actually, I
[01:33:21] don't understand why he can't go. No.
[01:33:25] Right. You don't get you don't get that
[01:33:27] choice. I don't know. It's just it's
[01:33:30] just very weird. And now it seems like
[01:33:31] she has a person who's in there who
[01:33:34] clearly has an agenda and is trying to
[01:33:36] move the
[01:33:39] 15,000
[01:33:40] people who were currently watching that
[01:33:43] thing. Anyway, let's keep going.
[01:33:45] >> Yeah. And so I think what I would offer
[01:33:47] back is that's what we have been doing.
[01:33:49] So rather than speaking to his son, I
[01:33:51] contacted people on the base, you know,
[01:33:53] like, okay, he said that Nef that
[01:33:55] somebody named Nef, which is what he
[01:33:57] said initially when he contacted me,
[01:33:58] Captain Nef was the one who questioned
[01:34:00] him. So rather than speaking to his son
[01:34:01] from 22 years ago, I think the people
[01:34:03] would say, "Why don't you speak to
[01:34:04] somebody who's on Fort Wuka base now and
[01:34:06] see if there's a Captain Nef there?" And
[01:34:08] that's what we did. And we confirmed
[01:34:09] that Captain Nef and the 10th Brigade
[01:34:11] was there.
[01:34:11] >> That is what you do when you need to
[01:34:13] verify a story is you look for names,
[01:34:15] dates, places, concrete facts within the
[01:34:18] story. And then you start hunting those
[01:34:20] specific truths down, especially ones
[01:34:22] that would be hard to know if you didn't
[01:34:24] have information. If you hadn't been
[01:34:25] there, if you hadn't seen something, if
[01:34:26] you hadn't had knowledge of that fact,
[01:34:30] because facts are really easy to get
[01:34:32] wrong. There's a million different names
[01:34:33] that are wrong for for commanders on
[01:34:36] that base. There's only one name.
[01:34:38] There's maybe like 20 names, 100 names
[01:34:40] that would be right. Um, so when you
[01:34:43] verify a name or a place or something
[01:34:45] like that, you know,
[01:34:48] that that helps.
[01:34:50] >> He said it was in an off-site building,
[01:34:51] a JTF off-site building. Um, we spoke to
[01:34:54] people at the base and they told us,
[01:34:55] "This is the exact building. Here's
[01:34:57] where it is in the map and they are
[01:34:58] borrowing the space." Um, he told us
[01:35:01] that this incident happened and the bomb
[01:35:02] dogs were called. So, I made an effort
[01:35:04] and successfully got the police report.
[01:35:06] That's how we verify whether or not he's
[01:35:08] pathological liar um is by verifying
[01:35:11] what he said, right? And so that's why
[01:35:13] and as I said before you jumped on, I
[01:35:16] reached out to the people that were
[01:35:17] involved. I reached out to Brian Harpole
[01:35:19] three times. He wanted to give an alibi
[01:35:22] in the sense of like giving flights for
[01:35:25] 3:42 that afternoon. Okay, so why what's
[01:35:27] stopping you from giving us what you're
[01:35:28] doing at 7:30 a.m., right? Like that
[01:35:30] kind of is what's weird. It's like you
[01:35:32] give half an alibi that doesn't matter,
[01:35:34] but you don't want to give the full
[01:35:35] thing. You don't want to just message me
[01:35:37] and say, "Hey, just so you know, that
[01:35:38] wasn't me."
[01:35:40] >> Yeah, it's a little weird.
[01:35:43] It's a little weird.
[01:35:43] >> That is coming up under Mr. Snow's
[01:35:45] record for some reason.
[01:35:47] >> So, I don't know if that's in alias or
[01:35:50] Mr. Charge of some, but then several
[01:35:52] others started in 2023 that were granted
[01:35:54] and what looks like one of the highest
[01:35:56] conflict divorce files I've ever seen
[01:35:59] that started in 2017. It might still be
[01:36:02] going on. It is. On criminal records,
[01:36:05] all I see is a felony charge of some
[01:36:06] kind that was dismissed in 2023 and a
[01:36:08] fel felony conviction for seconddegree
[01:36:10] theft in the name of Ronnie Jean Weight
[01:36:14] Jr. that is coming up under Mr. Snow's
[01:36:16] records for some reason. So, I don't
[01:36:18] know if that's an alias or if Snow was a
[01:36:21] victim or a witness in the case. Uh, and
[01:36:24] I can tell you right now, I also have
[01:36:26] additional court records and documents
[01:36:28] that precede 2013.
[01:36:31] So, and that's the other part of this is
[01:36:33] like all of these different court
[01:36:34] records and documents and things like
[01:36:36] that are in multiple counties. They're
[01:36:38] filed in even multiple states. There's a
[01:36:41] lot of stuff going on here and it's just
[01:36:42] really, really difficult to get to the
[01:36:44] truth.
[01:36:48] So, yeah, we're not finding conviction,
[01:36:51] but maybe I'm not looking hard enough.
[01:36:54] >> Um, so that's what we're actually doing
[01:36:55] is trying to verify the last thing,
[01:36:58] which is just like really his memory. He
[01:36:59] did tell the truth. He told truth about
[01:37:00] everything that happened that morning.
[01:37:02] Um, and so the last thing is does he
[01:37:04] have a good facial memory. Um, and thus
[01:37:06] far we've not been able to, you know,
[01:37:10] and I am in the process, as I said, of
[01:37:12] speaking with Turning Point USA,
[01:37:13] >> putting it on Front Street. She's
[01:37:15] talking about Ian getting pressured. I
[01:37:17] don't know the part we got to comment on
[01:37:18] >> was getting was like we times on the
[01:37:22] show. You either have really good memory
[01:37:24] when you see faces or you have a bad
[01:37:25] memory like I do when I see faces. I
[01:37:27] don't know Mitch, so I don't know. But
[01:37:29] he he was pretty detail oriented.
[01:37:31] >> And she was very clear about that in her
[01:37:32] first episode with him too. She was very
[01:37:34] clear about the fact that she can't
[01:37:36] corroborate his memory of who he saw.
[01:37:38] That was not ambiguous when she said it
[01:37:42] >> and about the watch and and little
[01:37:44] things and um I think beyond anything
[01:37:47] else the reaction when Andrew Kovette is
[01:37:49] wheeling and dealing behind the scenes
[01:37:51] it then make things really compelling.
[01:37:52] Right. If he didn't get caught on that
[01:37:54] live I probably um would be neutral. I
[01:37:58] mean, I did one episode on this.
[01:37:59] Everybody's acting like I've done like
[01:38:01] becoming Breit. You know what I mean?
[01:38:02] Like, we've been investigating the
[01:38:04] Charlie thing. We've covered so many
[01:38:06] things. I do one episode on Mitch and
[01:38:08] everyone's like, "No, LIKE WE GOT TO
[01:38:10] TALK TO his high school classmates. We
[01:38:12] got to talk." It's like, "Dude, like
[01:38:13] like everybody calm down. I'm getting
[01:38:15] threats of lawsuits in the background."
[01:38:17] So, like Ian was like, "Uh, you know, I
[01:38:19] got to talk to you before your next
[01:38:21] episode is what his text was." Because
[01:38:22] they were putting pressure on him to get
[01:38:24] me to stop reporting on this. They did
[01:38:26] they didn't want me to even interview
[01:38:27] Mitch. So, I just find that to be
[01:38:29] compelling. Like, what is this panic
[01:38:31] about? Um, espe
[01:38:33] >> I think here's where two conversations
[01:38:35] get conflated. Um, I have to see what
[01:38:36] Coach Collins says.
[01:38:38] >> When she says,
[01:38:40] >> now this is what Candace says. And Ian
[01:38:44] is kind of silent about this, but she is
[01:38:47] just avoiding Front Street. She's
[01:38:49] talking about Ian getting pressured. I
[01:38:51] don't know if he was getting pressured
[01:38:54] or maybe he just felt pressured, but the
[01:38:57] people she's talking about is Gary and
[01:39:00] uh and Valhalla apparent. So, two
[01:39:03] different conversations are getting
[01:39:04] mixed together here. Um before Valhalla
[01:39:08] did his episode, he reached out through
[01:39:10] many channels to try to um see if
[01:39:12] Candace wanted to talk to him about it
[01:39:14] and and sort of like, you know, look at
[01:39:17] that evidence. And she was kind of like,
[01:39:19] "Put it out. put it out. Um,
[01:39:23] I wasn't really feeling pressured at any
[01:39:25] time here. Um, there was another
[01:39:28] conversation earlier about the Brian
[01:39:30] Harple flights and a potential lawsuit,
[01:39:33] which is a separate conversation, whole
[01:39:35] different thing. Um, that
[01:39:38] might be what she's referring to there.
[01:39:40] U, I don't know. Um, [snorts] I don't
[01:39:42] think so. Um, but Nate's a nice guy.
[01:39:45] Nate wasn't like being an [ __ ] to me
[01:39:47] or anything like that, apparently. But,
[01:39:50] you know, this is why I save all
[01:39:52] probably
[01:39:53] >> Nate was just reaching out to me later
[01:39:55] when he was going to do this expose of
[01:39:57] being like, "Hey, does Candace want to
[01:39:58] see this right now? Like, does Candace
[01:40:00] want to like turn on this all and and
[01:40:02] and it was like, dude, whatever, dude.
[01:40:04] Just put your [ __ ] out, man. Just put
[01:40:05] your [ __ ] out." Um, and I was worried
[01:40:07] that Nate was going to get way out over
[01:40:08] his skis and like totally just like go
[01:40:10] in on Candace a whole bunch and and sort
[01:40:12] of just like go beyond the evidence that
[01:40:15] he had, but I actually was really
[01:40:16] pleased with how Nate did his episode.
[01:40:18] um in that Nate stuck to the documents
[01:40:20] that he had and his perspective on them
[01:40:21] and what he believed based on those
[01:40:23] documents and I don't necessarily share
[01:40:25] Nate's perspective on those on the
[01:40:27] documentation of the whole thing now
[01:40:28] that we're seeing more. Um but I'm glad
[01:40:30] that Nate reported it the way he did and
[01:40:31] I and I liked how he reported it and I
[01:40:33] was I like exhald a big sigh of relief
[01:40:35] for him of like well done man. That was
[01:40:38] that was a solid way to do it. He got a
[01:40:40] lot of [ __ ] for it. Um I don't agree
[01:40:41] with the [ __ ] for it. That's fine
[01:40:43] though, you know, whatever. Um make up
[01:40:45] your own opinions of people. Um, it's
[01:40:47] all good.
[01:40:50] >> I have to make another episode just so
[01:40:51] he can be like, "No, I didn't pressure
[01:40:54] Ian. I was just I wanted to warn
[01:40:56] Candace." Which is I think
[01:40:58] >> Valhalla.
[01:40:58] >> I think that's going to be what he has
[01:41:01] to say about that. But again, Val,
[01:41:06] [laughter] Vala's like, "This is going
[01:41:08] to be one and done. I'm not making
[01:41:10] another episode about. And as for the
[01:41:11] stolen valor, my understanding, not
[01:41:13] being military, is that stolen valor
[01:41:15] includes lying about your service, not
[01:41:17] just saying you were in when you
[01:41:19] weren't. Um, and Mitch was a Green
[01:41:21] Beret, as we've learned. Um, I'm not
[01:41:24] entirely clear ex like I guess maybe he
[01:41:27] lied about what he was in the service,
[01:41:30] but I don't really trust any of this
[01:41:31] reporting about it. I'm very very
[01:41:32] reticent to like fall into thinking I
[01:41:35] know this or I don't know this about any
[01:41:36] of this story here. pro Candace, anti
[01:41:39] Candace, pro Mitch, anti-Mitch,
[01:41:40] whatever. I'm just kind of taking it all
[01:41:42] in. Um, but Nate has a history of
[01:41:44] exposing stolen valor. That's kind of
[01:41:45] how he built his channel. So, that's
[01:41:47] kind of his thing. Um, so I'm not going
[01:41:49] to try to like claim that I know more
[01:41:51] about stolen valor than Nate. So, you
[01:41:54] know,
[01:41:56] I don't know, man. I think you're have
[01:41:57] to make a few. You're gonna have to make
[01:41:59] [laughter] a few, which is, you know,
[01:42:01] it's all good. It's all good.
[01:42:02] >> I love Colin's take on.
[01:42:03] >> Anyway, let's just jump into the next
[01:42:05] clip about Mitch right here. every trail
[01:42:07] should be exhausted before we say, "Oh,
[01:42:10] >> it does seem like Mitch might have lied
[01:42:12] about how he got hurt." That's possible.
[01:42:14] Um, I don't know.
[01:42:17] >> And I have seen far more energy put into
[01:42:20] discrediting the Fort Hachuka witness
[01:42:23] than I have for people actually looking
[01:42:25] into the claim itself. Like Candace said
[01:42:28] earlier, she actually called people at
[01:42:30] the base to verify whether or not the
[01:42:32] events occurred. Was he there at that
[01:42:34] time? where where did it happen at, etc.
[01:42:37] But I see all of these people, it's
[01:42:39] almost like it's coordinated.
[01:42:41] >> I like Diligence a lot. He's a cool guy.
[01:42:43] I've met him before. Um I actually met
[01:42:45] him at Turning Point cuz we were both
[01:42:47] like we don't belong here. [laughter]
[01:42:50] We were at uh we were at Ampfest last
[01:42:52] year and we like we knew each other from
[01:42:54] X. Um [snorts] and I met him for the
[01:42:56] first time in person and we were both
[01:42:57] kind of like this place is weird, man.
[01:43:00] Let's hang out out over here. This place
[01:43:02] is [ __ ] weird. He's cool, dude.
[01:43:06] >> Right. All of these people on the same
[01:43:08] two days come out and say, "Oh, don't
[01:43:10] listen to this guy." They apply labels.
[01:43:12] You know why we apply labels to people?
[01:43:14] That way you stop listening to them. Oh,
[01:43:16] what he says doesn't matter anymore
[01:43:18] because he's an abuser, because he's a
[01:43:21] fraud, because he's this, because he's
[01:43:22] that, right? Far more effort into
[01:43:25] discrediting that witness than there has
[01:43:27] actually been into validating the
[01:43:30] information that he's been given. By the
[01:43:31] way, the best way to discredit him is to
[01:43:33] debunk his story. Like, it's like, so
[01:43:35] I'm like, why don't you focus on this?
[01:43:37] You can act. Do you hate Mitch? Do you
[01:43:38] hate who he is as a human being? Do you
[01:43:40] believe he's a pathological liar? How
[01:43:41] about proving that something that he
[01:43:43] told us was a pathological lie? Like,
[01:43:45] doesn't that just make sense? Like,
[01:43:47] >> zero convictions. All of the people
[01:43:49] saying that he was a fraudster, that he
[01:43:51] was an abuser, whatever. I couldn't find
[01:43:53] one.
[01:43:53] >> It's probably a lot like adult film
[01:43:55] awards. I've never been to the adult
[01:43:56] film awards, but let's just say that um
[01:43:59] at at Amfest every year, James O'Keefe
[01:44:03] likes to throw a DJ party and James
[01:44:05] O'Keeffe likes to DJ and he likes to
[01:44:07] dress up and do his thing and it was a
[01:44:11] cool party. I mean, it was whatever. It
[01:44:12] was better than some parties I've been
[01:44:14] to in this industry. Um, and
[01:44:19] it was just full of weird political
[01:44:23] just a lot of like ladder climbers get,
[01:44:26] you know, attracted to the light like a
[01:44:28] moth at a TP USA style event. A lot of
[01:44:31] drama behind the scenes that I don't
[01:44:33] give a [ __ ] about. A lot of, "Oh, do you
[01:44:35] want to meet this person or meet this
[01:44:36] person?" It's like, no, not really.
[01:44:38] Like, I don't care. Like, whatever,
[01:44:39] dude. It's like, I'm hanging out with my
[01:44:41] bro, my homies. Like, you know, I'm just
[01:44:43] meeting homies, whatever.
[01:44:45] It's just it's just weird. I should I
[01:44:48] should have I should have made a Grinder
[01:44:49] account and logged into Grinder and seen
[01:44:51] who was on Grinder. [laughter]
[01:44:54] >> Next year. Next year.
[01:44:55] >> One record criminal record of him being
[01:44:58] convicted.
[01:44:59] >> Yeah.
[01:44:59] >> Is that true?
[01:45:00] >> Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't find it either.
[01:45:01] It they were showing no convictions. It
[01:45:03] was he said, she said. I mean, just like
[01:45:05] full character assassination and
[01:45:07] >> one-sided divorce court that he didn't
[01:45:09] get to he didn't get to tell his piece
[01:45:10] in.
[01:45:12] >> It was very me too. It was very me too.
[01:45:14] I'm sorry to say it. when [ __ ] I just
[01:45:17] have no energy for it.
[01:45:19] Like cool,
[01:45:21] I'm glad
[01:45:21] >> I mean O'Keefe is a good example of
[01:45:23] someone who like
[01:45:25] >> I don't know him well as a person. I
[01:45:27] like his reporting. He's done some
[01:45:28] incredible journalism. He's done some
[01:45:30] crazy stories. He does this crazy style
[01:45:32] of gonzo journalism, but like I don't
[01:45:36] necessarily like f with what he likes to
[01:45:39] do as a like the way he parties and just
[01:45:41] like, you know, is as a like media
[01:45:44] figure. It's not my style. Um, and
[01:45:47] that's fine. You know, not my job to
[01:45:49] like, you know, be the same type of
[01:45:51] person as everybody. And so I can just
[01:45:52] separate the person from the reporting
[01:45:55] and just look at the reporting for what
[01:45:57] it is. you know, you don't have to. And
[01:45:58] like and James has always been a nice
[01:46:00] dude to me. Um I have no problem with
[01:46:02] James O'Keeffe, so it's like all good,
[01:46:04] dog.
[01:46:06] Who cares? You know, there's a lot of
[01:46:08] characters out in this world that have a
[01:46:09] lot of personality. And James O'Keeffe
[01:46:11] has a ton of personality. And so it's
[01:46:13] like, you know, whatever, man. Just
[01:46:16] don't commit crimes and don't hurt
[01:46:18] innocent people and don't be a piece of
[01:46:20] [ __ ] right?
[01:46:23] had you found like his classmates in
[01:46:25] middle school or whatever, but like
[01:46:27] could you use some of that male energy
[01:46:29] towards act
[01:46:30] >> Ian? You are so logical how it's really
[01:46:32] simple. Just deal with your own [ __ ] and
[01:46:35] your own baggage and master your own
[01:46:37] emotions and then you won't get offended
[01:46:41] at [ __ ] You won't have a thin skin.
[01:46:43] You won't get emotional and hotheaded.
[01:46:46] You won't take things personally. You
[01:46:47] won't get into stupid shouting matches
[01:46:49] over things that don't matter. You won't
[01:46:50] die on hills when you're wrong. You'll
[01:46:52] have the humility to be like, man, I
[01:46:54] don't know. I don't know everything. It
[01:46:56] It's not complicated. Just deal with
[01:46:58] your own [ __ ] And don't be a [ __ ]
[01:47:02] It's crazy.
[01:47:04] But there are a lot of men and a lot of
[01:47:06] women in this world and in this industry
[01:47:09] because the world doesn't cater to the
[01:47:11] world doesn't teach people to deal with
[01:47:12] their own [ __ ] It actually thrives off
[01:47:13] of people that have not dealt with their
[01:47:15] [ __ ] so that it can sell them solutions.
[01:47:18] So deal with your [ __ ] That would be a
[01:47:21] good shirt. Yes, it would.
[01:47:22] >> Actually, like if you think he's all
[01:47:23] these things, the best thing to do would
[01:47:25] be like help us prove that he's lying on
[01:47:26] the thing that we care about, which is
[01:47:28] the Charlie Kirk assassination, you
[01:47:29] know, and no one has thus far done that.
[01:47:31] And um he has not changed his story. Uh
[01:47:34] so I am inclined to follow this,
[01:47:36] especially because we now know that
[01:47:38] Erica and Andrew Kovat and Brian Harpole
[01:47:41] do care enough to to offer up um you
[01:47:46] know, some parsed alibis. the common
[01:47:48] knowledge of most people who are
[01:47:51] following the case. Um,
[01:47:54] it becomes way harder to refute. It's
[01:47:58] much harder for people to refute
[01:48:00] something that's already in their head.
[01:48:04] >> Yeah. Yeah. He put some good commentary
[01:48:06] on uh how the information space can be
[01:48:08] fed laundered information.
[01:48:11] >> Super nice to him. and they're saying
[01:48:13] that or one of them said and I don't
[01:48:15] want to mix them up names and okay so we
[01:48:19] have him on obviously and he says both
[01:48:21] of the names and what happened
[01:48:23] thereafter is what I can only describe
[01:48:26] as like an explosion um I get contacted
[01:48:28] from somebody uh who's in DC and they
[01:48:32] were very concerned and thought maybe
[01:48:34] somebody was feeding me bad information
[01:48:36] and I was kind of interested in the
[01:48:38] phone call not going to name the person
[01:48:40] but was basically like you know worried
[01:48:42] about your security and things like
[01:48:43] that. And I was like, I think we're
[01:48:44] good. Like, you know, we're just kind of
[01:48:46] vetting the story.
[01:48:47] >> Yeah.
[01:48:47] >> Then on the 20th, and this is very
[01:48:50] interesting, these two YouTubers,
[01:48:52] Valhalla and Paramount Tactical, reach
[01:48:55] out to Mitch and they're being super
[01:48:57] nice to him and they're saying,
[01:48:59] >> "So, I don't know this for sure, but I
[01:49:02] believe that she's confusing voices um
[01:49:05] or that Mitch confused who was who or
[01:49:08] something. I don't know. I don't think
[01:49:10] that Valhalla reached out to Mitch. Um I
[01:49:12] I believe I know that Paramount did. Um
[01:49:16] I think we'll get that evidence in the
[01:49:17] future here and I think that Valhalla
[01:49:19] will probably comment on this part. I
[01:49:20] don't know. Um but I think that
[01:49:24] I have reason to believe that Paramount
[01:49:26] did and I don't know about the Valhalla
[01:49:30] part of this. So, he'll clarify
[01:49:33] >> or one of them said, and I don't want to
[01:49:35] mix them up, but we have the video of it
[01:49:36] because Mitch is predisposed to
[01:49:38] paranoia. Um, and he recorded them and
[01:49:41] I'm going to drop the conversations. I'm
[01:49:43] happy.
[01:49:44] >> I'd be very curious to see these. I want
[01:49:45] these to be so nice to him. This is on
[01:49:47] December 20th and like, you know,
[01:49:49] they're not questioning whether or not
[01:49:51] he was in the special forces. They're
[01:49:52] not saying anything weird and they're
[01:49:54] >> I do remember Paramount Tactical being
[01:49:56] searched from Tel Aviv in June or July.
[01:49:58] Actually, I have that on my chart. are
[01:50:00] actually saying to him that I may be
[01:50:02] under foreign influence.
[01:50:04] >> Nate is actually on right now saying he
[01:50:06] never spoke to Mitch. No [ __ ] Huh? No
[01:50:09] [ __ ] Like literally right now.
[01:50:13] The Israel Prize
[01:50:15] have to
[01:50:17] It's such a fitting thing and it would
[01:50:20] honor us obviously, Mr. President, if
[01:50:21] you could visit Israel uh in that
[01:50:30] So
[01:50:32] again,
[01:50:32] >> it was probably at the start of the show
[01:50:35] >> from other people on Twitter. A lot of
[01:50:36] people attacking me on Twitter. I don't
[01:50:38] have Twitter, but people send me these
[01:50:41] things. So you got this is got most of
[01:50:44] it here. Let's
[01:50:47] Sarah Lions, Jeffrey Ray, no idea who
[01:50:49] this episode with Mitch and then we'll
[01:50:52] get to the second part here and address
[01:50:53] that. Uh Ian's going to address this one
[01:50:55] as well, but let's address the first
[01:50:57] part here. Supposedly
[01:51:00] that
[01:51:02] I had a phone call with Mitch Snow.
[01:51:04] >> Nailed it.
[01:51:05] >> You don't even need Webster.
[01:51:07] >> For some reason, I divulged into Mitch
[01:51:10] Snow that I think Candace is a foreign
[01:51:12] asset and all these things. Very uh very
[01:51:14] bizarre. Here's here's the reality,
[01:51:16] guys. And I'm glad the phone call got
[01:51:18] recorded.
[01:51:19] >> I think that Paramount is the one that
[01:51:20] said that. I believe that's my guess. is
[01:51:24] I've never spoken to Mitch Snow. Not on
[01:51:26] the phone, not via text, not via
[01:51:28] [snorts] email, not Snapchat, not
[01:51:30] Instagram.
[01:51:31] >> See, when you actually didn't do
[01:51:32] something, you just come out and say you
[01:51:34] didn't do it. It's simple. This is when
[01:51:37] someone alleges that you did something
[01:51:39] that you didn't do.
[01:51:41] You can just do this.
[01:51:44] And I believe it's confusion because I I
[01:51:47] have reason to believe that the phone
[01:51:49] call doesn't show faces, that it that it
[01:51:50] has audio. Um, and I think we'll see it
[01:51:53] probably. I'm hoping that we'll see it
[01:51:55] or hear it at least. Um, so I think the
[01:51:58] confusion is probably understandable,
[01:52:00] but we'll see.
[01:52:02] >> I had Twitter, not Twitter.
[01:52:03] >> I have literally never spoken to Mitch
[01:52:06] Mitch Snow. So the idea that I was
[01:52:10] talking [ __ ] about Candace Owens and
[01:52:12] calling her a federal agent to Mitch
[01:52:13] Snow, wrong guy.
[01:52:16] Okay,
[01:52:18] different green beret.
[01:52:21] Okay. So, Gary from Paramount Tactical
[01:52:25] talked to Mitch and he's been very open
[01:52:27] about that. He talked about it on his
[01:52:29] show.
[01:52:31] [clears throat] Once I
[01:52:35] >> see, it's not hard to deny something
[01:52:36] that you didn't do.
[01:52:40] Mitch, who this guy was, I didn't want
[01:52:44] anything to do with him. I didn't want
[01:52:45] to give him a minute of my time. I
[01:52:47] didn't want to platform him. And I told
[01:52:49] you guys that he never reached out to
[01:52:51] me. We were never in contact.
[01:52:55] Well, now here's the thing. She did. She
[01:52:58] said Valhalla or Gary. And then she said
[01:53:00] they did this, they did this, they did
[01:53:02] this. And so that's why Fair criticism.
[01:53:06] Fair criticism. Um, [snorts]
[01:53:09] this is one of the issues with going
[01:53:11] live and reporting on the fly and kind
[01:53:13] of like this this constant media feed
[01:53:16] does make it hard to be really precise
[01:53:19] all the time. It makes it easy to make
[01:53:20] little mistakes like that that are
[01:53:22] shitty. Um, and we all have to have a
[01:53:24] little grace for each other. At least I
[01:53:25] try to have a little grace for people.
[01:53:27] Um, I don't take things too seriously.
[01:53:29] Um, and if someone makes a mistake about
[01:53:31] me, I'm not too stressed. But, you know,
[01:53:33] I understand how other people would take
[01:53:34] it otherwise too. But that's cool. Right
[01:53:36] on. Nate's live right now. And there's
[01:53:39] the scoop from Nate. [laughter]
[01:53:40] >> I'm like, okay, these guys um are
[01:53:43] clearly not good guys. Or are
[01:53:46] >> this has to be it has to be Gary.
[01:53:48] [laughter] This doesn't sound like
[01:53:50] Vajala to me. And I I could be 100%
[01:53:53] wrong, but you're calling and you're
[01:53:55] basically playing the whole she's
[01:53:57] foreign influence. Like, hey brother,
[01:53:59] come on. You know, this is this is
[01:54:01] foreign influence. People are doxing
[01:54:03] people. Hey, listen. The only thing I'll
[01:54:05] say about doxing is that I tend to
[01:54:07] suspect that people that are doxing
[01:54:09] people are never from the actual
[01:54:10] authentic narratives that they are
[01:54:12] supposed to represent. I can't I would
[01:54:15] bet you money that anyone that might be
[01:54:17] doxing Nate because he's insulting
[01:54:20] Candace. I'd bet those aren't actually
[01:54:22] Candace fans. I would bet that that
[01:54:24] behavior is almost always planted from
[01:54:26] all sides as a co-intel pro style
[01:54:28] operation to make everyone mad at
[01:54:30] everyone and to make everyone feel
[01:54:32] unsafe and to make everyone turn on each
[01:54:33] other. This is cointel pro 101. Okay.
[01:54:36] And I think that all journalists today,
[01:54:38] all media personalities especially, but
[01:54:40] also regular people like you know people
[01:54:42] that are just living their regular
[01:54:43] lives. Everyone needs to remember and
[01:54:46] consider that the internet space, the
[01:54:48] information space is full of
[01:54:50] disinformation agents that work in
[01:54:51] subtle and mysterious ways to stoke
[01:54:54] complex disagreements, emotions,
[01:54:56] uncertainties, doubts so that everyone
[01:54:59] splits up and everyone fights each
[01:55:00] other. And remember that when what you
[01:55:03] think is a Candace fan might just be a
[01:55:05] bot from her enemies there to [ __ ] with
[01:55:09] you. Or it might be a bot from some
[01:55:11] other media campaign there to [ __ ] with
[01:55:13] you. Or it might be a bot from a
[01:55:15] corporation there to subtly get you to
[01:55:17] want to buy something. I don't [ __ ]
[01:55:19] know. But just remember, if it's not a
[01:55:21] human on video explicitly saying
[01:55:23] something into a camera,
[01:55:27] don't assume it's a person.
[01:55:30] Okay, this is 2025 and this is
[01:55:33] unfortunately just the basic nature of
[01:55:35] the information space today which is
[01:55:36] full of scops in complex ways. It's not
[01:55:39] hard to flood the zone with whatever it
[01:55:42] is you want including
[01:55:44] false opposition in all sorts of crazy d
[01:55:48] directions. So just a reminder to all
[01:55:50] commentators and all media personalities
[01:55:52] like for example Harrison Smith was
[01:55:54] getting attacked a whole bunch and I
[01:55:56] can't help but wonder if they were all
[01:55:57] people or not. kind of doubt it. I bet
[01:56:00] that it's wedges being driven,
[01:56:03] conflict being stoked, doubt and
[01:56:06] discomfort and emotions being inflamed.
[01:56:09] Right? This is the nature of the game.
[01:56:10] And we all have to understand it and
[01:56:12] develop a thick skin and not stress it.
[01:56:15] Just chill. Just chill. Just calm down.
[01:56:19] When you see a person say something
[01:56:21] about you into a camera, address that.
[01:56:25] And we'll do that in a second. We're
[01:56:27] doing that with this. And we'll do that
[01:56:28] with Alex Jones in just a second. You
[01:56:30] can't be trusting her. That that Listen.
[01:56:36] It has to be Gary. [laughter]
[01:56:40] But I don't know, man. And the thing
[01:56:41] about it is Candace is going to drop
[01:56:43] that recording soon.
[01:56:45] >> Uh I think it's going to be Gary,
[01:56:47] though. I'm I'm I'm I'm 90% sure it's
[01:56:50] going to be Gary.
[01:56:50] >> Actually, the 20th is when he first told
[01:56:52] me that they had reached out to him and
[01:56:54] wanted him on his podcast. It might have
[01:56:55] been the 21st that they called him. I'll
[01:56:57] I'll clear that up. Um but between
[01:56:59] [clears throat] the 20th and the 22nd is
[01:57:01] when they are suddenly calling him and
[01:57:03] they're like, "Oh, like you know, yeah,
[01:57:05] you know, we're just concerned about
[01:57:07] Candace." Okay. Uh yeah. And you're
[01:57:09] going to see in a couple of days he
[01:57:10] loses his mind and suddenly speaking to
[01:57:12] like exes and baby mamas like he's Jerry
[01:57:15] Springer. But that was the nature of
[01:57:16] their phone call. So I'm like, "Okay,
[01:57:17] that's weird. I don't know these guys."
[01:57:19] And then on the 22nd, I get another
[01:57:22] phone call from Ian Carol. Oh, he's
[01:57:23] here. I'm gonna add you, Ian. um at a
[01:57:26] speaker.
[01:57:27] >> I get another phone call from Ian Carol
[01:57:29] and this time Ian is like totally
[01:57:31] freaked like freaked as in like very
[01:57:33] concerned um because obviously like I
[01:57:35] have a relationship with Ian Carol and
[01:57:36] to some degree he respects uh Valhalla.
[01:57:41] >> Yeah, she's exaggerating a little but I
[01:57:42] was concerned for her just in like I
[01:57:44] want to make sure Candace that your wits
[01:57:46] are about you and that you're not
[01:57:47] emotional about this and that you're
[01:57:49] thinking it all through. And we talked
[01:57:51] for a while and by the end of it I was
[01:57:53] like, I see your point of view and you
[01:57:56] know this better than me and I'm gonna
[01:57:58] respect your take 100% and I'm gonna
[01:58:00] learn from whatever you do and however
[01:58:01] it falls out and I you know whatever. I
[01:58:03] got you. Um that's cool. I'm just here
[01:58:07] to deliver a message for you. Um because
[01:58:09] I think you want to know this and you do
[01:58:12] with what you want. And I and as soon as
[01:58:15] I got off the phone I was like well
[01:58:16] Candace is doing Candace stuff and
[01:58:18] that's fine. you know, that's how she
[01:58:19] beat. Whatever. I ain't I ain't stressed
[01:58:22] about it, dude. It's all good because
[01:58:25] you don't you don't take it personally
[01:58:26] and you stay independent and you do your
[01:58:28] own thing and if someone makes mistake,
[01:58:29] whatever. We all learn from it, right?
[01:58:32] And he's like, "Look, I have this friend
[01:58:34] who's in the military. He has a YouTube
[01:58:36] channel and he basically runs me through
[01:58:37] and he's like basically saying that he
[01:58:39] wants to talk to me." And it was kind of
[01:58:42] said to me in a way that was like if you
[01:58:44] don't kind of take this rope like and
[01:58:47] jump off of this Mitch train like what's
[01:58:50] going to come out about Mitch is going
[01:58:51] to be explosive and you're going to like
[01:58:52] go down on the ship. That's essentially
[01:58:54] the vibe.
[01:58:55] >> That was kind of how it was portrayed.
[01:58:58] That's how Nate portrayed his episode.
[01:59:00] Um and I don't think that that's what's
[01:59:03] happening at all. Obviously, um you
[01:59:06] know, I don't I don't think Candace's
[01:59:08] ship sinks. even if you do like prove
[01:59:10] that she's wrong about something.
[01:59:12] >> Um,
[01:59:14] >> that Val Hollow is giving to Ian Carol
[01:59:16] and basically like kind of demanding to
[01:59:18] get on the phone with me and I was like
[01:59:20] um and then he starts talking about he
[01:59:22] said stolen valor. Like he was like he
[01:59:24] was never a Green Beret. I was like he
[01:59:26] absolutely was a Green Beret. I sent
[01:59:27] that out the chain of the government.
[01:59:29] Like that's just not true. And it felt
[01:59:31] to me like they were clearly being quite
[01:59:33] aggressive with Ian on the phone,
[01:59:34] demanding to speak to me, demanding I
[01:59:36] allow them onto my platform, talking
[01:59:38] about
[01:59:38] >> Nate wasn't being aggressive with me.
[01:59:40] Um, he was being emotionally heated
[01:59:43] because he was really pissed at Mitch
[01:59:46] because he had just been doing all this
[01:59:48] research. Um, which is understandable.
[01:59:51] [snorts] Um, but it did it did come
[01:59:53] across in a way I understand how she's
[01:59:54] interpreting that way. That's fine.
[01:59:56] [snorts]
[01:59:57] >> About his like ex-wives. I was like, I
[01:59:59] don't care about any of this. And I said
[02:00:02] to Ian, this seems to me like they're
[02:00:04] trying to distract me with stupid stuff.
[02:00:06] Like if he has something that is
[02:00:08] concrete that like Mitch somehow
[02:00:10] defrauded me or lied and did like
[02:00:13] definitively was not a Green Beret, then
[02:00:14] please just have him email it to me. And
[02:00:16] I said, and if he emails that to me, I
[02:00:18] will deal with it immediately. And I
[02:00:19] also made it clear to Ian that because
[02:00:21] they were like, oh, then like she could
[02:00:23] get in trouble for fraud because she
[02:00:25] raised money for this guy and he wasn't
[02:00:26] even like a Green Beret. I was like,
[02:00:29] first off, uh, he never asked me to
[02:00:31] raise money for him. So, the idea that
[02:00:32] he was doing this to defraud me for
[02:00:33] money. That came out naturally when I
[02:00:35] was live. I said I would do a give,
[02:00:37] send, go because I said people were
[02:00:38] going to start digging up things. Um,
[02:00:40] like I just had a feeling like I thought
[02:00:42] it would be other people, but I just
[02:00:44] felt like, oh, let's like raise money
[02:00:45] for him. He had a tough life, whatever.
[02:00:47] And I had had that court paperwork of
[02:00:48] what he was going through. Um, so that
[02:00:51] was natural. And not only that, but the
[02:00:52] very next day, which I will show on my
[02:00:54] show this week, he sent me Mitch sent me
[02:00:57] an email. The day after I started the
[02:00:59] give and go, the morning after, he sent
[02:01:00] me and Skyler an email and said, "Thank
[02:01:02] you so much for raising money, but I do
[02:01:04] not want to accept this money from you."
[02:01:05] And he was,
[02:01:07] >> man. So that So, let's um really quickly
[02:01:11] lay out the timeline of Mitch Snow here
[02:01:13] for a second. At least as far as I'm
[02:01:14] aware of it,
[02:01:16] Mitch Snow was in Fort Wuka months ago.
[02:01:20] months ago. So, he had this storied
[02:01:22] life. Believe what you want of it.
[02:01:24] Discredit what you want of it. Maybe
[02:01:26] he's a woman abuser. Maybe he's just
[02:01:30] gets in relationships with crazy [ __ ]
[02:01:32] that are [ __ ] mean and accuse people
[02:01:35] to take their [ __ ] Maybe it's a mixture
[02:01:36] of both. I don't know. Um, think what
[02:01:40] you want of his past. He has that past
[02:01:43] and then he winds up on Fort Wuka on the
[02:01:45] day he said he was there and he has
[02:01:47] copious digital forensic evidence that
[02:01:51] he has provided to Candace far more than
[02:01:53] ever anyone else realizes. I think um
[02:01:56] that he was there on that day. That was
[02:01:59] before Charlie was killed. That was
[02:02:01] before Candace was talking about any of
[02:02:03] this. That was before any of the story
[02:02:04] had happened. That evidence already
[02:02:06] existed.
[02:02:08] So if this is a scam,
[02:02:11] it's a scam built on top of that
[02:02:13] coincidence. And it it's not just like
[02:02:15] he was randomly at any fort on any given
[02:02:17] day. He was at this fort on a day when
[02:02:18] there just so happened to be these weird
[02:02:20] SAM triple0ero flights happening, too.
[02:02:24] So it's a significant day on a special
[02:02:26] kind of a base that's kind of a weird
[02:02:28] situation where his story comes out to
[02:02:29] seem like it's a crazy like it's
[02:02:31] something crazy happened there. And then
[02:02:33] later we discover like months and months
[02:02:34] and months later when this all comes to
[02:02:36] the top we discover that there were
[02:02:37] these crazy Sam triple zero flights. So
[02:02:39] there's like all these weird
[02:02:40] coincidences that all happened way back
[02:02:42] then before Charlie was killed.
[02:02:46] So, if it is a if it is a like a scam to
[02:02:49] try to trick Candace, to me, it starts
[02:02:51] to seem like it's a scam that was
[02:02:53] devised by the plotters themselves,
[02:02:55] because the scam involves a random
[02:02:58] person being on a random military base
[02:03:00] with a SAM triple0ero flight with a
[02:03:02] story that actually does check out to
[02:03:04] that degree. So, it's like that's not a
[02:03:07] coincidence. that would have to be like
[02:03:11] kind of knowingly planted because it
[02:03:13] would be juicy,
[02:03:15] right? Like that would be a hell of a
[02:03:17] coincidence. And then Candace just
[02:03:20] happens to see his email when it comes
[02:03:22] in when his friend emails her and she
[02:03:26] chooses to respond to that email out of
[02:03:27] all of them. And then she chooses to go
[02:03:30] into a story more and go into it more
[02:03:32] and go into it more and go into it more.
[02:03:36] And then
[02:03:38] she's the one that chooses to offer this
[02:03:40] gift and go thing on the fly because
[02:03:41] she's she knows how these legal things
[02:03:43] go and that's her choice. Um, and I
[02:03:45] don't know if she's gonna wind up giving
[02:03:46] him the money or not, but it's just like
[02:03:48] it's a weird
[02:03:51] it's a weird thing for it to be
[02:03:54] a scam
[02:03:57] because
[02:04:00] it would be a very planned out
[02:04:03] scam that relied on an assassination
[02:04:05] happening, which Mitch Snow wouldn't
[02:04:06] have known was going to happen,
[02:04:09] right? Because if Mitch Snow had known
[02:04:11] that Charlie Kirk was going to be
[02:04:12] assassinated, we're back to square one
[02:04:14] with a conspiracy to assassinate Charlie
[02:04:16] Kirk. So Mitch did not know when he was
[02:04:18] collecting that digital forensic
[02:04:19] evidence before Charlie was killed. He
[02:04:21] did not know that that was going to
[02:04:22] happen.
[02:04:24] You see what I'm saying there? And so
[02:04:27] when you actually examine the evidence
[02:04:29] that we do concretely know about,
[02:04:32] and I think some of it the public is
[02:04:34] going to get more of from Candace,
[02:04:36] you start to realize that for it to be a
[02:04:38] scam, you would actually have to be
[02:04:40] confirming a conspiracy for it to be a
[02:04:42] scam because somehow the people that
[02:04:44] planted the scam would have had to know
[02:04:46] that this was going to happen and know
[02:04:48] that they were going to need it to get
[02:04:50] Candace. or it's just a crazy
[02:04:52] coincidence that a scammer just happened
[02:04:54] to walk into that base on that day and
[02:04:56] and be like, "Oh, I have the perfect way
[02:04:58] to like make up a new scam here, right?
[02:05:02] That's all very weird,
[02:05:05] right?" And if it was a scam, like it
[02:05:10] so maybe it is, but it's it's just
[02:05:13] to me it starts to start to add up to
[02:05:16] like, "Oh [ __ ] now this son is saying
[02:05:18] that the military police called him on
[02:05:19] December 9th. corroborating the police
[02:05:22] aspect of the incident, not just that he
[02:05:24] was there.
[02:05:26] So, did he like plan the scam out so
[02:05:29] that he would get arrested by the police
[02:05:30] so that they would call his son so that
[02:05:32] he would have extra cooperation later
[02:05:34] when Candace Owens was investigating the
[02:05:35] murder of a man who hadn't been murdered
[02:05:37] yet?
[02:05:40] That's a hell of a scam.
[02:05:42] That's the best scammer I've ever heard
[02:05:44] about in my entire [ __ ] life. The
[02:05:46] scammer is precient.
[02:05:49] Unless I'm misunderstanding something
[02:05:50] here.
[02:05:57] I mean, let's play devil's advocate.
[02:05:58] Let's play devil's advocate. Maybe Mitch
[02:06:01] Snow got arrested or got, you know, in
[02:06:03] trouble with the police that day and
[02:06:05] they know about him and so maybe later
[02:06:08] on someone knows that he's got trouble
[02:06:10] and they go back and they're like, "That
[02:06:11] would be the perfect psy for a scam. We
[02:06:13] should plant this scam with him and we
[02:06:14] should send him to Candace with this
[02:06:16] crazy story to throw her off the trail."
[02:06:17] But then it's like, okay, we're back to
[02:06:19] co-conspirators. We're back to someone
[02:06:20] actively trying to break this
[02:06:21] investigation up. Why would someone try
[02:06:23] to break this investigation up? Mitch
[02:06:25] Snow has to be a lone scammer who's just
[02:06:28] after money for this not to be a
[02:06:30] conspiracy to throw Candace off.
[02:06:34] Right? That's the thing is that if you
[02:06:36] have people conspiring to stop Candace's
[02:06:38] investigation, you pretty quickly wind
[02:06:40] back up at a conspiracy being evidenced
[02:06:42] by that.
[02:06:46] That sounds more like Vajala. Valhalla
[02:06:49] was pissed about the uh the money being
[02:06:51] raised and he was really serious about
[02:06:53] that in the clip that I played. Like
[02:06:55] everybody knows that he is very upset
[02:06:58] that any money was raised for this guy.
[02:07:00] So that sounds like him.
[02:07:02] >> Exactly.
[02:07:03] >> But yeah, definitely there's been um it
[02:07:05] was once things started to to fire up,
[02:07:08] people were starting to talk about like
[02:07:10] what they saw as holes in Mitch's story.
[02:07:13] >> Yeah. And it's been very interesting to
[02:07:15] watch how that has evolved. Um,
[02:07:16] >> yeah. So, I just talked briefly about
[02:07:18] how there's a lot going on behind the
[02:07:20] scenes and a lot of people contacting me
[02:07:22] trying to get to Candace all the [ __ ]
[02:07:24] time, but that blew up, especially
[02:07:25] around this. Um, not just Nate trying to
[02:07:28] talk about that episode. A lot of people
[02:07:30] have been contacting me to contact
[02:07:32] Candace, and I'm always like, "Not my
[02:07:34] job, bro. Not my job. Don't call me. If
[02:07:38] you know her, call her." Um, I'm not I'm
[02:07:41] not Candace's inbox.
[02:07:45] on channels like Paramount.
[02:07:47] >> Hard for Gary recently, man. He slips up
[02:07:50] on the live and I think [snorts] the
[02:07:52] rest is just funny jokes. I think the
[02:07:53] rest is mostly just funny jokes. Unless
[02:07:56] it's a scam by opportunity. That's what
[02:07:58] I'm saying is that I could imagine it
[02:08:00] being a scam by opportunity, but then
[02:08:02] you have to think that through a little
[02:08:03] bit.
[02:08:06] So,
[02:08:07] if it's a scam by opportunity, meaning
[02:08:10] that Mitch Snow just genuinely went
[02:08:12] there and genuinely got in that trouble
[02:08:13] on that base on that day, and then
[02:08:15] genuinely Charlie gets assassinated.
[02:08:17] Mitch didn't know that that was going to
[02:08:18] happen, but it does. Then Candace is
[02:08:20] investigating, and then Candace
[02:08:23] is not yet on Fort Wuka at all. And the
[02:08:26] scammer thinks, "Hey, I bet I could make
[02:08:29] up a story that would involve people
[02:08:32] from Turning Point that might hook her.
[02:08:34] I'm going to send an email. I'm going to
[02:08:35] get my friend to send an email.
[02:08:37] Then it's a total coincidence that Sam
[02:08:40] triple0 flew there that day or he's like
[02:08:43] looking that up and he knows, oh my
[02:08:45] gosh, a Sam triple0ero flight flew there
[02:08:48] that day
[02:08:50] like pretty quickly.
[02:08:52] How would he even know that a Sam
[02:08:53] triple0 flight was there unless he did
[02:08:55] see a crazy meeting while he was there?
[02:08:56] And then we're back to square one. There
[02:08:58] was a crazy meeting there. And so it's
[02:09:01] like for him to just have randomly
[02:09:04] walked onto the base before there was an
[02:09:05] opportunity for the scam and gotten in
[02:09:07] trouble with the military police before
[02:09:11] there was an opportunity for a scam
[02:09:14] on the exact day when a SAM triple0ero
[02:09:16] flight is at that base.
[02:09:19] Then that's a weird coincidence for him
[02:09:22] then to go backwards later and be like,
[02:09:24] "Oh, that's a perfect opportunity." and
[02:09:27] he wouldn't have had any reason to know
[02:09:28] that there was a SAM triple0ero flight
[02:09:31] unless he did see evidence of SAM
[02:09:33] triple0ero type people there. And if you
[02:09:36] do have evidence of that, if you do have
[02:09:38] him seeing a meeting, then you're back
[02:09:39] to square one of there having been a
[02:09:40] meeting regardless of whether he's
[02:09:41] trying to scam her or not. So, it's all
[02:09:44] very convoluted of trying to make it a
[02:09:46] coincidence in my mind. And maybe I'm
[02:09:48] wrong. Like maybe I'm not seeing some
[02:09:50] logic here. But to me, any way that like
[02:09:53] when it first came out, I was like,
[02:09:55] "Whoa, that's a [ __ ] crazy story. I'm
[02:09:57] not gonna believe that without some
[02:09:58] crazy evidence." And I didn't touch it.
[02:10:00] I haven't done any reporting on it. I
[02:10:02] have not touched it. But as more and
[02:10:06] more pieces have been filled in, as I've
[02:10:09] learned more behind the scenes about
[02:10:10] what is and is not evidenced,
[02:10:13] as other reporters have dug up things
[02:10:15] like the SAM flights and like these
[02:10:17] other pieces of it, [snorts]
[02:10:19] as Gary has aired out that the military
[02:10:21] police arrest thing did really happen,
[02:10:24] as evidenced by Mitch's estrange son,
[02:10:28] to me it starts to get more and more
[02:10:29] like, "Wow, dude. All of these
[02:10:31] coincidences are adding up big time.
[02:10:35] And suddenly having it be a scam
[02:10:37] actually becomes harder and harder and
[02:10:38] harder.
[02:10:40] And I don't know if that makes me
[02:10:42] believe that Mitch's past is squeaky
[02:10:43] clean. I'm not on that train yet. I
[02:10:46] don't know. I don't really care. I mean,
[02:10:48] I care about like don't [ __ ] abuse
[02:10:51] people, especially kids and women. You
[02:10:53] are the lowest of the low if you do
[02:10:54] that. But I don't feel like I know one
[02:10:58] way or another what the truth is of all
[02:10:59] that.
[02:11:03] Um, [snorts]
[02:11:04] yeah. I had a friend when I was much
[02:11:06] younger that got tangled up in
[02:11:08] allegations that might have been true
[02:11:10] but might have been false. And I never
[02:11:12] really knew the bottom of it. And I wish
[02:11:15] I had just been more straight with my
[02:11:16] friend at the time and been like, "Hey,
[02:11:18] what's up with this?" But I was young
[02:11:20] and didn't have the directness back then
[02:11:21] to just go to him being like, "Tell me
[02:11:23] the true story. Just tell it to me
[02:11:25] [ __ ] straight, bro." And I wish I had
[02:11:28] because these things are messy. And at
[02:11:31] the time I just kind of went with the
[02:11:33] story that he had done it because that's
[02:11:34] what it seemed from the evidence and
[02:11:36] from her and from you know the courts.
[02:11:39] And over time as I got older and wiser I
[02:11:41] realized that you know I didn't actually
[02:11:42] have enough evidence to throw my friend
[02:11:44] under the bus like that and not just go
[02:11:46] to him directly and get all the sides of
[02:11:47] the story and think it through because
[02:11:49] these things do happen. False false
[02:11:52] accusations
[02:11:54] are [ __ ] gross and they do happen. So
[02:11:56] I don't know and I'm not trying to pass
[02:11:58] judgment on Mitch one way or another.
[02:11:59] It's not my [ __ ] business and I don't
[02:12:00] know. And if I see evidence that feels
[02:12:02] very concrete, then I'll, you know, have
[02:12:03] an opinion. But I'm like many much more
[02:12:07] concerned with this story, this
[02:12:09] coincidence, this scam that I cannot
[02:12:13] square how it would be a scam.
[02:12:16] [snorts]
[02:12:18] And I'm trying I'm trying to square how
[02:12:19] it would be a scam.
[02:12:22] That will be enough to collapse the
[02:12:24] current paradigm and change the whole
[02:12:27] planet.
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